The Rod and Greg Show: Utah Lawmakers Get Report on Gender Affirming Care; Left's War on Family is Real

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Concerning gender affirming care. This was a study that lawmaker's requested,
and we'll talk about that. We'll talk about some of
the comments that Hillary Clinton made a couple of days
ago about the only reason we want immigrants, illegal immigrants
into this country is they can have baby. The big, big,
big beautiful bill passed. And last night Greg Steve Moore

(00:21):
is going to join us, Yes, sure, his thoughts on this,
and a little bit later on, we'll talk about the
Biden presidency, a historic scandal that's putting it mildly.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I think, and we have got to guard against the
rewriting of history to suggest otherwise. We have to make
sure people always know because it's even worse than we thought.
I mean, we comment on this every day during his administration,
and as the facts come out, it's even more egregious
than we saw with our own eyes. And it was
pretty egregious what we saw. So but you know, the

(00:52):
media and everyone else wants to rewrite all that. We're
not going to let them.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
No, no, we are not going to let them. Of course,
we've got a lot to do today, and we invite
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Greg with just a horrible story out of the nation's
capital and the alarm that I have today, Greg, and

(01:37):
I think you would agree. Where are the Democrats? Where
are the leading democrats in this country who are saying
enough of this anti Semitism that we have in this
country today? Where are they?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yes, we had a horrific assassination of two Jewish young
diplomats from Israel that we're in a function in Washington, DC.
The assailant came was part of that, waiting for his
opportunity to shoot, to kill people and ask questions and
then ultimately drew his gun and shot. It was sad.
These two diplomats were dating. It was said they were

(02:11):
going to be engaged, soon to be engaged. You just
shared before the show started, just some of the gruesome
details of that wasn't It was not a quick shot.
It was a prolonged experience in terms of someone trying
to crawl away and the person going after them.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
And yeah, the attacker's name is Elias Rodriguez. All right,
he originally Greg. Here's what's so frightening about this story.
The people at this museum right thought he may have
been one of the victims, and he ran into a
room where they were protecting people, and all of a
sudden he just said, I did it. Free Palestine, Free Palestine.

(02:48):
And he was with a group of people in there. Now,
the disturbing part about this story tonight, as we're learning
more details this is contained in the affidavit, is that
he fired nearly two dozen shots at the couple. One
of them was trying to crawl away, and he continued
to fire until she was dead and no longer could move.
So this story is just horrific.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
So so here's so, I want to play a clip
for you uniquely and CNN doesn't know what to do
with a moment like this is this was happening in
real time. They had a young man who worked I
believe he's he's employed by the Embassy of Israel here
in the United States. He was present when this occurred.
He saw the man that was captured, heard what he

(03:32):
was yelling, Free Palestine, Infidada, all the things he was saying.
So the CNN talking head wants to ask some questions,
and I don't think she was prepared for what he
had to say, But I think we ought to hear
listen very closely to what he says in terms of
what his experience was because he was also he's also
been a student at Columbia during some of the upheaval

(03:57):
on the pro terrorist Prohomas demonstrations on that campus in
the past. This man's lived through both. This is what
he had to say.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
But what I saw in his eyes, I mean, I
went to Columbia for grads.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Go on.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I saw the same thing in his eyes as I
saw in the eyes of all the protesters at Columbia.
Nothing different between him and them.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
But they did not create this horrific shooting. They did not,
you know, sort of they didn't shoot, they created, They
gave permission. They gave the permission. They have called for this.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
They have called for intifada revolution, which is the same
thing he yelled last night.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Do you worry that there will be a come conflation?

Speaker 6 (04:39):
Though?

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Of the two, those people who are speaking their mind,
who really care about what is happening in Gaza, and
those people who are like this person who did this
horrific shooting, who intend to do harm.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
A conflation, I mean, they are calling for intifada. At
Columbia University, they called for intifada consolate.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Now they're not quietly, they're loud. They're loud.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
You can hear it.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
They make recordings for themselves.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
So what's the difference.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, okay, So what he's saying is she was suggesting
that those Columbia protests, the pro Hamas, pro terrorists, the infantada,
the all the things that are you know, free Palestine,
that that had nothing to do with the person who's
who yelled the same things. And he said, ah, conflation,
this is these this is the permission, this is There's

(05:27):
no difference. I saw the same because his original point
is the look in that man's eyes that he saw
last night is the same look in the eyes of
those that were protesting on the campus when he was
a student, in the contempt and hatred towards him that
he saw on those at his own.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Campus, those sides. And the thing is, well, they didn't
do it. Well, no, they didn't do it, but they
sure did give anybody who wants to do a permission
because they all agree with the guys.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
They normalize it. Yeah, the normal And you have Democrats,
as you've pointed out, who refused to condemn us. So
this is my confusion, okay, And I'm telling you you
and I we are against political violence. And it doesn't
matter right a center, left of center. We love the
battle of ideas, we love the arena. We're not into
political violence. We condemn it on all fronts. It's an
easy gig when you just condemn political violence. The United

(06:15):
States rod is on our side. I'm looking at a
poll here most and this is the headline of the
poll of the article, most Americans support Trump crackdown on
anti Semitism on campus. New poll shows find out that
sixty six percent of American adults fifty six percent of
American college students quote support cutting federal funding to colleges
and universities that failed to protect Jewish students or address

(06:39):
anti semitism decisively.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Okay, Christy nom did that today. She said, Harvard, you
don't get any.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
More exactly right. And when you ask Americans, without regard
to what their their religious affiliation is, race, color, or creed,
the sentiment of Americans is that we condemn this, and
if you're a university that allows it, we support President
Trump and take away your funds and doing something until
you stop these voices in these presents on these campuses,

(07:05):
terrorizing these Jewish college students and the ripple effect that
we see that happened last night. Then I see this
from the Hill. Now this was just last week May fourteenth,
the Hill, and it's in its headline says sixty four
percent of Jewish voters disapprove of Trump's efforts to fight
anti Semitism. More than half of Jewish American voters disapprove

(07:29):
of President Trump's efforts to combat anti Semitism. They find
that they're against him withholding money grants to Columbia University,
they're against him withholding grant money to Harvard. And I
am missing, So I'm missing some piece here, Rod, How

(07:52):
is it that America, how is it that this young
man that's on this interview is saying that what's happening
on that college campus to look in the eye, the
chants that they're saying are no different on the campus
as the assassin last night and DC at this event,
and that's a problem. And he's and they asked him later.
I didn't play this in the clip, but is he afraid?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Is he going to change his life? No? But that, yeah,
we all should be afraid, is what he says. How
in the world does America rally around that sentiment and
saying there's no place for this in our college campuses?
And then I see a poll that says six sixty
four percent of Jewish voters disapprove of Trump's efforts to
fight anti Semitism. Because here's my thing. If you're afraid,

(08:34):
get behind me, because I'm not. That's fine, But you're
going to oppose me. You're going to oppose me opposing
those that want to harm you. Is this is this poll?
I mean, I'm telling you. I have other clips from
NBC News saying that Trump is way over he shouldn't
be doing what he's doing. You got the New York
Times condemning him for withholding these funds because of these

(08:55):
issues of anti Semitism. So the regime media, the Democrats,
they are fine with this. And I want to know
how on earth I'm looking at a poll of sixty
four percent of Jewish voters American Jewish American voters, okay,
who are sixty four percent who strongly or somewhat disapprove
of the efforts of Donald Trump. I don't get it.

(09:16):
I am at a loss.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I have two theories my theories on this. Possibly. First
of all, they do not like Benny Nettan Yahu. They
never have in this country. And there's a large section
of Jews in Israel who are opposed to his aggressive
conservative efforts, all right, number one. Number two, many Jewish
Americans are Democrats, and they will not go along with

(09:41):
anything that Donald Trump has to do, even attacks on
their own people. They will not go along with efforts
of Donald Trump to try and prevent them.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
And why that is such? And I don't disagree with you.
I think that is in their decision tree. But how
unbelievably shortsighted and scary that would be that they themselves
are at risk with this kind of act to activism
on the college campuses that then spreads out to these
events in DC or where else. We don't know where else.

(10:09):
And they're going to do it because they don't like
Benjamin and Yahoo, or they don't like it because you're
a different political party. And by the way, the Democrat
Party that you seem to affiliate with doesn't affiliate with
you Jewish American voters.

Speaker 7 (10:19):
They're not.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
So I have yet to see the kind of combined
recoil or even defense of those people that are being
targeted and terrorized the American people from the Democrat Party
at all. They say, well, there's no place for this
type of hate, you know, No, there's a place. It's
called the Democrat Party in the United States. And I
cannot understand how sixty four percent of Jewish American voters

(10:42):
are opposed to Donald Trump's effort to end or fight
anti semitism on these campuses and to fight it generally.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I know we're not going to callers, but at some point,
if someone to the point that you made, if someone
has some other thoughts to connect, I'd love to hear them,
because I see that headline from the hill just from
last week, the fourteen to May, and it boils my blood.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
All right, mar coming up here on the Rod and
Greg Show on this Thursday afternoon. We're off to a
fiery start. Stay with us eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven oh
eight zero one zero. All right, everybody, welcome to the
show on this Thursday afternoon, Rod and Greg with you.
All right. An interesting story today in the Salt Lake
Tribune about how you About two and a half years ago,

(11:23):
somewhere in that range, Utah issued a ban on gender
affirming care for transgender youth and what they wanted to
do was issue this band temporarily and then and then
do a study. Well, the study has come back with
some rather interesting results. Greg, that are now people are
wondering about.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yes, so joining us on the on the on our
what do you what do you call it? An oker?
Life is great? State Representative Katie Hall. Representative Hall, thank
you for joining us. Now, you you're a great public servant,
but you're also in the healthcare industry, your health care provider,
so you have some insight, Uh, tell us about this study?
Is it all is all green lights? Now we can

(12:03):
just start doing gender affirming care here in Utah because
we've got a study that says it's all apple pie
and you know, lemonade.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
Yeah, no, it's really not. But thanks Rob and Greg
for having me. I appreciate it. I well, first of all,
I do appreciate the work that went into this study
and the and the work that DHHS had for overseeing it.

Speaker 9 (12:31):
But I think I don't think.

Speaker 8 (12:34):
That there is a flavor for removing the moratorium at
this time based on what this particular study might say.
And and also to be clear, the report is not
necessarily recommending lifting the moratorium. It's basically just saying if
the legislature chooses to do that, these are recommendations that

(12:56):
DHHS would would like us to and center if we
if we did do that.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Representative Hall, were you surprised by the results of the
study of the recommendations contained in the study, I would say.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
I'm I'm probably a little bit surprised, as I got
the report Monday night and I kind of perused it
for a couple of hours. It's, as you know, it's
like a thousand page report, so it's going to take
a while to get into the the the big details
of it, But just in looking through it as I

(13:32):
did on Monday night, and I've done a little bit
more since then, I think there's things that we need
to take into consideration. We've had a lot more other
reports come out besides this one in the last couple
of years, and this report mentioned none of those studies
that that have come out as well, like the the

(13:52):
there was a bunch of discovery documents from del w
CHAFS last summer and the CAST report or none of
these are mentioned in there that came up with drastically
different conclusions.

Speaker 9 (14:05):
So that just kind of leads.

Speaker 8 (14:07):
Us to believe that there is, you know, there's not
any firm science on this issue. The Department of the
US Department of Health and Human Services also recently released
a comprehensive review as well that found the complete opposite
of what this report says, and it found that supporting

(14:27):
these medical treatments for.

Speaker 9 (14:28):
Miners to be very weak.

Speaker 8 (14:31):
And there is other systematic reviews that have come up
with that same conclusion.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Well, you know, the United Kingdom, you know, across the
pond over there, England, they were they were probably starting
this with minors or these this type of treatment gender
affirming care earlier than the United States. They as a
country have decided that they are going to restrict gender
affirming care now for minors. This is this is a
new shift, but it cites some of that Cash review

(14:57):
that you talked about. That study, they determined that they're
no longer going to prescribe puberty blockers to minors that
suffer from gender dysphoria or gender incongruence, and they cite
insufficient evidence on their safety and the clinical effectiveness. They're
really calling for a holistic approach, prioritizing psychological support and

(15:18):
screening for neurodevelopment developmental conditions. So my question would be,
when you get a report like you did, they might
want to go to England and tell that whole country
they have it completely wrong, because their equivalent of a
health department for their country has come up with a
polar opposite conclusion than the study that you've been provided.

(15:40):
And so I don't know, maybe they're just the people
doing the study here in Utah just know more than
the UK. They better get over there and tell them
they're all up in the nights.

Speaker 8 (15:49):
Yeah, Well, I think it's I think it's really important
to note that these types of medical procedures and drugs
have their permanent consequences, and are young teenagers who are
already wrestling with all the normal challenges of purbity and adolescents.
They're not well poised to make these life changing decisions.

Speaker 9 (16:07):
Now.

Speaker 8 (16:08):
We have an age of majority of eighteen, and this
law does not touch people who are over eighteen, So
if they so choose once they're eighteen, they can absolutely
do this if they choose to. But for miners and
our youth here in Utah, we want to protect them
as best we can.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Present A final question for you, do you get any
sense that there is a desire to change the band
or modify the band when Utah lawmakers get back together
in January? Or do they want to hold to what
they're doing and they feel confident with what we've been
able to do here in the state of Utah so far.

Speaker 8 (16:43):
Yeah, I don't get that there is any sense for
that amongst legislators given all the other information that we've
been getting over the last couple of years as well.
I'm pretty proud that Utah was the forced state in
the nation to prohibit these medical procedures for miners, and
we're one of the only ones that that hasn't had

(17:03):
a challenge in court because we we did make exceptions
for the use of some of these drugs with genetic
physical health conditions that that would warrant them, like precocious puberty,
androgen and sensitivity syndrome, some of these things that that
are medically necessary and and we've made exceptions for those,
and we've taken a really methodical.

Speaker 9 (17:26):
Thoughtful approach to this issue.

Speaker 8 (17:30):
And we also we also passed some legislation around talk
therapy and how talk therapy is not conversion therapy and
that we need to be talking with these these children
and helping them through this time of their lives as
best as we can.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, I think that the UK approach of a holistic
approach is kind of what you're you're describing as well. Representative,
So thank you for your good work.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Thank you, Thank you, Representative Hall. Enjoy the weekend.

Speaker 9 (17:55):
Thanks so much, thank you. I appreciate you, guys. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
All right, destly Representative case. More coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one O
five nine KNRS.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I'm roder ur Kent, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
All right, in a recent video that surfaced this week,
Greg there was a clip of Hillary Clinton basically saying
the quiet part out loud. Basically, she said, confirmed what
conservatives have long believed. Those on the left see the
family as a right wing institution that they want to replace.

(18:27):
Here's what she said.

Speaker 10 (18:28):
So this is another performance about concerns they allegedly have
for family life. But if you had read the Heritage
Foundation's Project twenty twenty five, despite Trump saying he knew
nothing about it, if you had read it, it's.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
All in there.

Speaker 9 (18:44):
It's all in there.

Speaker 10 (18:45):
Returned to the family, the nuclear family, returned to being
a Christian nation, returned to you know, producing a lot
of children, which is sort of odd because the people
who do the most children in our country are immigrants,
and they want to deport them. So none of this
adds up. But you know, one of the reasons why

(19:07):
our economy did so much better than comparable advanced economies
across the world is because we actually had a replenishment
because we had a lot of immigrants, legally and undocumented
who had a you know, larger than normal by American standards.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Family.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
So joining us on any of our newsmaker line to
talk about this is Pastor Daniel Hayworth. He is the
lead pastor of the Vintage Church and Harker Heights and
Fort Hood, Texas. Pastor, thanks for joining us. I guess
the idea of having a family and children and the
American values not a good idea, apparently, Pastor. Am I
reading that right?

Speaker 4 (19:47):
You know, if you ask Hillary Clinton, it sounds like
that's just the worst thing ever. I mean, imagine even
just like being her daughter, listening to her mom talking
to sneering attitude about how awful it is to have children.
Chelsea must just really have a great relationship with her parents.
I can't even imagine. Yeah, well, thanks thanks for having
me on today.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
I just you know, I listened to that clip, and
I think there's no clearer picture of the lefs disdain
for all of the things that matter the most. It's
like this complete inversion of what is good. You know,
they're going to sneer at the idea that, oh, you
just want a family and children. That's that's regressive, you know,
somehow it's progressed to mutilate your kids and send them

(20:30):
to get their hair dyed purple by some LGBT teacher
that's somehow progress. But you want to send your your
wife to stay at home and make sure that she
can take care of your your little ones and raise
them up and in a way that you guys agree on.
And that's just regressive, That's just horrible. How could we
ever want to return to such a terrible thing?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Let's dig it.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
You know, it blows my mind. Is she so disconnected
that she doesn't understand how farcical her comments actually sound?
Did you know that? I don't know if you ever
spoke in any sermons or with any of your congregants
about the nuclear family and the importance of a mom
and a dad and a family, but apparently you must
have got that from the Heritage Foundation's Project twenty twenty five.

(21:09):
I guess this has never been a value of America
before the Heritage Foundation put it into a doctrine of
some sort. She suggests that he paid he plagiarized this
out of Project twenty twenty five document Our supporting the
Nuclear Family. Is this a Project twenty twenty five principle?
Or is this something we've been doing here in America

(21:30):
for quite some time?

Speaker 4 (21:32):
You know, I'd actually say it's a Genesis chapter three principle.
And if you know anything about about the Bible, you
will know that Genesis was written quite a while before
the Heritage Foundation was organized.

Speaker 7 (21:45):
And so here's what it really is.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
It really is an assault on the family from the left.
And why do they want to do this, Well, they
want to assault the nuclear family because it's God's fundamental
institution that he gives When God establishes the family, he
establishes it as this as a man, woman, and child.
He creates Adam in the garden, he gives him wife,
and even he says, not good for man to be alone.
He needs to help me to come alongside him. And

(22:12):
so he creates Eve and he says, now this is good.
He blesses it, and he calls it good. And then
he gives them actually, not a suggestion, not a recommendation,
not here's something that might be fun, but he gives
them a commandment. And the commandment is go out, be
fruitful and multiply. And so what the Heritage Foundation is
referencing is actually this eternal principle that's given to us

(22:32):
by God says, your life is going to be blessed
when you lit it my way. God doesn't give us
a list of rules to go out because he's an
oppressive god. He actually gives us a blueprint for the
best life that we can have in a way forward
in our life. And he says, look, you want your
best life, how about you go get married, you have kids,
and I'll tell you what. I have four beautiful children,

(22:54):
and it is the best life I could have ever had.
If I had listened to any of these crazy people
like Hillary Quinton getting up there sneering and children, I
would be miserable. It would be just absolutely hellish. So
I mean, short answered, no short answer, no answers.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
A little bit older than that.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, Jenie is it's been around for a little while
past her a final question for you. You know, as I
listen to what she was saying, and she talked about
immigrants having babies, I'm saying to myself, she's basically saying,
we elitist women don't want to be bothered with having children,
and that's why we have immigrants in this country. Let
them have the babies.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
We pay for that.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we yeah, we can just hire
them on later on.

Speaker 11 (23:33):
We can have them.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yeah, that's that's exactly what she's saying.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
And here's why.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
So this is actually part of the less Core values,
which is that we are going to erase the Western
philosophy from America, and that philosophy is only passed down
through the nuclear family from people who understand our heritage
and our traditions. We're going to pass it down to
our children. And so in order to get rid of
that philosophy, we're going to encourage people to stop having children.

(23:58):
We're going to break up new nuclear families, and then
we're going to import people that don't have that culture,
that don't have that philosophy, that don't understand man, woman,
and child comes from Genesis chapter three, and that our
culture is built on the fundamental principles of Christianity that
built the West and that made it great. They're going
to import people who are completely foreign to that, and
they're going to destroy the families that traditionally pass those

(24:21):
values down and we're going to replace them with Andrew Tate,
and we're going to replace them with YouTube blue haired
people like these streamers that are going to come in
and they're going to replace the kids' parents, and they're
going to be the ones that are going to teach
your kids values I'll tell you what. Your life will
be a lot better if you listen to your ninety
year old grandma who praise in things hands than it is.
If you go on YouTube and listen to guys like
Destiny and Andrew Tate, that is going to lead you

(24:43):
down a dark path. The family is what's going to
keep you alive and keep your values alive. It's going
to keep our country alive. That's why they want to
tear it down.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
A amen to that, Pastor hey Worth, great conversation. Thank
you for a few minutes of your time, and enjoy
the weekend.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Thank you, guys, Thank you so much for having me
on the show.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Have a great nights.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Annuel Hayworth talking to us about the family and the
importance of the family and why the left is so
so much against it. Well, you said you've got a
lot to say on a lot of things. I said,
that's unusual.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
See your insults, You're like water off a duck's back
with me. I don't even hear it.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
In an insult. It was just a recognizing of that
is true and it happens every day.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, I would like to finish my intro, and that
is the Roddy Gregg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n R S. And I am
citizen Hughes and.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I'm rod Arkitt. Great to be with you. All right,
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circulation by early next year.

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Hate it, hate it, well, you hate.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Pennies or you hate it going out of circular.

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I want all the pennies. I don't want to lose
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up by five four cents. Everything's going to go up
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Speaker 1 (25:50):
Just round it up and give them a nickel.

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That's a cost.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Man.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
If your gas goes up five cents, gown you get,
you get mad. I want to keep pennies. I am
proud of my penny drawer. I have pennies. You got
seven cents. You better believe I got two pennies with
my quarter to get correct, I have.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Like a jar on my dresser, and when I have
pennies or spare change, I just throw it in there
because we don't.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Use one in the middle console in my car. I
got a lot of change because I like correct. I
like I still like cash just because I'm old school.
I like cash. I'm not doing everything on a card.
I want Big Brother watch you never use a card.
I do, but I like using cash and I like
but then correct change.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I am running into more and more places Craig that
will not take cash anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
And you know it does it provokes me to want
to use more cash. So when they tell me I can't,
then I want to. I hate tell me what I
can't do.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
And you'll do it.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
That's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. That's that's it.
I'm all in.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Now. When you get on an airplane, Wohilch, you fly
occasionally down back and forth to your California mansion, do
you clean the area around the air airplane? I mean,
like the seats, the straight table, and you don't you
wipe down? They never do really well. I'm not like bathing.
I'm not licking the trail, you know, the wipe it

(27:11):
down or anything.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
No, I do not do that.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I occasionally I don't do it.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I don't wear shorts. I don't wear because for the
reason you're saying, I don't want to have my skin
on the on the on the on the you know chair,
the you know my seat, and I don't want to,
so I don't. I wear socks, and I wear shoes,
I don't wear bear I don't wear sandals or anything.
And I wear long pants because I don't want to
be touching things more than I have.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well that's a wise move. Now, many people think the tray,
or the the the arm rest or even the overhead bin.
They wipe those down right, the handles.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
One would hope.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
You know what's worse than any of them? What the seat? Yeh,
don't tell me that drive you nuts?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
It is I'm supposed to take wet wipes with me.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
The grime is everywhere. But a new scientific study the
seats on airplanes are the worst German infested.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I share this information with you because I want you
to be safe.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
It makes my instinct to not wear shorts on a plane.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Confirmed.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yes, yeah, but I'm not taking wet wipes to a
plane seat. I'm not doing give them.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
A little package with me because she always is carrying
him and she's very concerned.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well, that's good to know.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I think when we traveled with our kids, Queen Bee,
definitely she was never without wet wipes. And I think
she's definitely the trays to pull down trays, you wipe
them off. She's always she wipes everything down.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Something that never gets wiped down is the handles to
open up the overhead bins. Yeah, that's another place that
you should wipe off. But now this study says the
seats are the worst.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
My wife she take those wet wipes, throw them into
her super big golt mug in the middle of the console.
One day, I grabbed it and I went to drink it,
and it was all these disgusting, dirty wet wipes off
the kids feet and everything, and I drank it, put
it in the putting in the big gulp in the
middle console where we were driving.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
It was gross. Steve Moore's going to johonna Is talking
about the big, beautiful and shall we say, ugly Bill.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I was very excited, excited or just dramatic both a
little bit. I get I get all dramatic when I
get excited. I guess, I guess that's how it happened. Yours,
though sounded like a NPR episode or something. I thought
you were a whisper.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Really, we're on the Rotting Greg Show. I it was nice.
We're on the rotting brag show man, I don't really care. Margaret,
thank you, Ray, thank you. Nobody cares. All right, Welcome
to the Rotting Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine kN R S.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I'm rod Arquet, I'm Citizen Hughes, and nobody cares. Oh yeah,
you get like you right now. I'm getting it from
both of you. I got to fight a two front
war out here.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah. Well, we're just trying to keep you, just keep
you straight, all right. Uh, they met all night again.
Did you see this story another congressman fell asleep. Well,
you know what he was planning these things. This is
not how you're supposed to work. You're not supposed to
work all the way through the night and then vote
at four thirty in the morning, work till midnight, come
back at five six am, and get back to work.

(30:14):
Any Yeah, your body has to sleep. I don't know
what they're doing. I don't think they work so little.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
They don't even know how to make a schedule to
work that makes any kind of sense. There's no businesses
working from all night long and into four thirty in
the morning.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well, we're talking about the big, big, beautiful bill that
passed the House by one vote. Early this morning, we're
home to get Blake Moore, Utah Congressman Blake Moore on
the show from the first congressional district. We wanted to
tease them a little bit, didn't we want Greg because
he got caught napping.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Lives Well, when we tried to reach him, we were
told he was asleep.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
No, he in flight delays. But there was another congressman
apparently during the vote he almost missed the vote. Greg,
he'd fallen us.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, I heard the present guy was that it was present,
was it was sound asleep. They couldn't roust them out.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
They couldn't, right, That's.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Because I you know, I blame these people that schedule
how how are you supposed to work out there? Someone
needs to give him a one oh one on like
normal work hours. You got to work five days a week,
you know, at minimally forty hours. They never put five
days a week, four weeks a month, and then they
do these weird things where they work all night till
and then vote at four thirty.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Well, we have a bill, and it's not a bill
that everybody loves, and that's why we wanted to bring
our economist Steve Moore joining us on the show. Of course,
he sends out the great email every morning the Committee
to Unleashed Prosperity. If you haven't got it, you should.
He always has great information there and he needs joining
us on our any hour Newsmaker line right now. Steve,
what do you make of what happened last night in

(31:45):
the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 11 (31:46):
Well, it was a giant victory for Trump and for
the American economy. We had to get this done, as
you know, we were facing a four trillion dollar tax
increase if that had not passed. I give a lot
of the credit to House Speaker Johnson, who had I
think it did an amazing job hurting the cats so
to speak, and getting these final votes. And it was
you know, Trump who went over to the Capitol earlier

(32:09):
this week and slammed his disc on the desk and said,
let's get this thing done. And they did. And that
was that was a you know where president does. So
it was a victory for the country. Now we moved
the Senate, so we'll probably end up with two beautiful
bills and have to reconcile those in the House, and
and I hope they get it done by by I'd

(32:30):
love to see them get this done by the fourth
of try, but I'm a little doubtful that they're going
to be able to do that, So this could drag
out throughout the whole summer. There's a lot of issues
that need to be resolved. I like this bill. I
think it's a good bill. I think it's good for
the country, but it could be better.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Well, that's what I was going to ask, because I've
heard some there's so many moving parts on this bill,
and I've heard different narratives. So I was withholding judgment
until I heard from you, Steve. I need you to
either get me the go that this worked or this
didn't work. And so I was waiting, let me ask
you senter Ron Johnson from Wisconsin been very vocal about
not there's not enough cuts in the bill that the
that the House was looking at do you expect And

(33:05):
it sounds almost weird to say that the Senate, of
all places, may be more fiscally hawkish. Would they are
there going to be more cuts in a Senate version
of this bill if you listen to leaders like or
people like Senator Johnson and Mike.

Speaker 11 (33:19):
Lee, well, obviously if they were to listen to Senator Johnson,
it would be a more fiscally conservative bill. I don't
know the answer that question. I mean, at the end
of the day, we didn't cut a whole lot. I mean,
you know, we're going to spend eighty six trillion dollars
over the next ten years according to the Congressional Budget Office,
and under this bill, we only spend eighty four trillion,
and so we saved two trillion out of eighty something.

(33:40):
That's not that's not a large cut. I think, you know,
some of my fiscally conservative friends are frustrated by that.
I think, you know, again, given the fact that you're dealing,
let's be real about what's going on here. We have
a Congress that is really controlled by only a very
small Republican majority, and you know that means that some

(34:03):
of these guys could hold the bill hostage, as they did,
and that's just the real politics of the situation. Do
I like it, No, But we have to we have to,
you know, admit reality here that Republicans are going to
need help if they're going to get this thing done.
And you know they made they're going to need to
make concessions, and they did some of those concessions. I
don't like. I don't know why we have to have

(34:24):
a state and local tax deduction. I don't I don't
get the logic of it. Frankly, I don't think it
makes a lot of sense for the country. But you
know you've got when you only have a three or
four seed majority, then Republicans can hold out for the
bill that they want, and they can hold it hostage.
And that's what happened here. So I don't like this
idea of getting all these people this big waiver around

(34:47):
the state and local deduction.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Well, Steve, let me ask you about this. You mentioned
we controlled the Republicans controlled the House by very slim majority.
We get, we get that, but they still control it. Uh,
why is there a reluctancy to go for something even
bigger when it comes to budget cuts? Do they are
they afraid to do that because they know if they
do it probably won't fly. What what is the reluctance here?

Speaker 11 (35:08):
Well? No, I mean immediate. Look, you have some Republicans
are just like the government. But I think the problem
was the media didn't report the truth about this report bill.
They kept saying, oh, this is going to cut Medicaid benefits. No,
it's not. I was on CNM the night argue with
the guy. He kept saying, are you're gonna cut down?
And I said, no, people are Nobody who's eligible for
the program is going to lose benefits. It's the people.

(35:28):
The people are going to lose benefits. The people are
not eligible for the progress. Yes, and you know they're
just cheating the system. And so you know, the Congressional
Budget Office, all the independent agencies say that this, uh,
you know that there's about three hundred billion dollars of
waste every year and all these programs. This is just
people cheating the system. So we should be able to

(35:50):
make these cuts. And I agree with you. I'm a
little frustrated by the fact that we didn't, you know,
the Green New Deal. We don't get rid of the
Green New Deal for another three or four years.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, you know, this is my question, and I don't
know what the I don't know if there's an exact
answer to this, But why are Republicans in Congress afraid
to cut fraud and waste in programs like Medicaid Medicare,
but Democrats are not afraid to oppose tax relief for
everyday Americans. They did it without Blincoln. There's not a

(36:20):
single Democrat voting for this bill, which by by what
means is they were all for a massive tax hike.
They were all they were against the tax cuts, tax
on tips, you name it, they're against it. But they
don't seem to bat an eye to be to have
that narrative attached to them. And yet we have Republicans
that are afraid to root out fraud and waste and

(36:40):
Medicaid medicare Why.

Speaker 11 (36:45):
Well, I think one of the reasons is that, you know,
Democrats hang together and they all sing out of the
same you know, a hymnal. But I think that the
other reason is, you know, the media really piled on
and wouldn't tell the truth about what we're talking about
in terms of you know, getting Look, we have millions
and millions and millions of illegal imorgants who aren't even

(37:06):
supposed to be in the country, who are getting Medicaid,
free healthcare. I mean, gee, what a great country. You
come in illegally and you get a free you know,
prostrate exam or something, you know. I mean, it's just
it's not it's it's it's the fact that how many
people in the media really really reported this. Honestly, I
don't think that many.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I agree they did. Steve, you mentioned a moment ago
there are several issues that will be resolved or need
to be resolved when it gets to the Senate. And
as the two confer together, what are the one or
two key issues that you hope they do resolve?

Speaker 11 (37:36):
Steve, There's three that I are important to me as
an economist. One is, you know, Trump ran on this
idea of this fifteen percent corporate catch errate, and he
was going to cut the rates center and we're going
to increase the terrasts or reduce on things made in America.
That's not in this bill. So I'm frustrated by that.
Number Two, I'm frustrated that a lot of these green energy,

(37:57):
Green New Deal programs are still on the bill. Well,
you know, I thought we were going to get rid
of those, but we didn't get rid of them. So
that's very frustrating to me. I'm worried about the fact
that a lot of the you know, we were talking
about the fraud and the medicaid program and on all
these other programs. There's not enough to deal with the
fraud in the budget, so those I hope the Senate

(38:19):
will address those kinds of things on our.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Any our newsmaker line that Steve Moore Chie's economists to
top that kind of like advisor to the first term
when President Trump was in the White House talking about
the big beautiful bill. When we come back, Greg, I
know you've got some thoughts on this now to you
as well, am I word I would describe is disappointed me.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
It's essential we passed it. We have to. We cannot
let our taxes go up, and we have to get
it done. But I will tell you this, this might
be the moment that if you can't see this Congress
cut now, we're not, and so this deficit is going
to grow and then we'll just have to We're going
to be staring at some consequences that are pretty dire
because they can't do what I think right now, you

(39:00):
couldn't see an easier path.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, all right, we'll talk about that and get to
your phone calls on this eight eight eight five seven
o eight zero one zero triple eight five seven o
eight zero one zero more the Rod and Gregg Show
coming out? What were you doing?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I got distracted. I just got a little you got distracted,
got distracted. I was like, wait a minute, I think
we we're on a show right now.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think I have a radio show to
the Yeah. So hi, I'm glad you got tuned in.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, it's really good out there. It's nice, nice weather.
It's best weather the year so far. You're probably gonna
tease it's probably gonna be fifty five and no.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
It's going to be nice. This wee get all right,
let's talk about the tax cut, because both you and
I I think, are not the tax cut the bill
a little disappointed in all of this. First of all,
I think the cuts are wimpy.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, that would be I would say that's probably the
nicest way to be.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
These are wimpy cuts. We're going to add to the defensit.
And here's my thinking. If I'm if I'm Elon Musk,
I'm thinking to myself, what on earth have I been
doing for the past three months, because anything that I did,
nothing is being implemented from what I can tell, according
to this bill came up with recommendation after recommendation. I

(40:11):
think the American people were excited about this. Somebody is
doing something and guess what, Greg nothing, nothing, Well.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
It came at a high high cost for leon Elon
Musk to engage to the degree did he did it
in the election. He had a pack, a super pack.
He put a ton of political capital personally as well
as financially into this to really see a change, because
he knows that this country cannot continue to spend camp
money it doesn't have and you have got to find

(40:41):
fiscal discipline. What he brought, what to Thomas ed is
in of our time, he brought this doge and this
unique scrutiny to our federal process that identified fraud. I'd
say we always say fraud, waste, and abuse, I think
primarily fraud. But he found a savings and cuts that
you can make that are are so easy to justify

(41:02):
and actually hard to justify why you wouldn't do it.
If you have thirteen million people that are supposedly one
hundred and twenty years of asi and older, in any
amount of those thirteen million are receiving a check today,
that's fraud if you have. I mean, there are just
so many examples that he was able to unearth and
processes that you didn't even know how the Treasury was

(41:23):
sending money and who they were sending it to. There's
just a lot that they discovered that they could defend
all day long, and the Democrats would have a hard
time demonizing it because you can be you had specificity
with what he found. Usually when we cut government, we're
doing it by percentages, and then they leave it to
your imagination what the consequence would that of that would be.

(41:43):
It's the most bulletproof away to cut up federal budget
you will ever find. And when you don't see it
in this climate, not only does Elon Musk tap out
and say, yeah, I think I'm going to go ahead
and pursue other things. I'll go to Mars. I think
get in the Mars might be easier than trying to
deal with the federal government. True, But to me person
only as a student of politics, watch it observer participant.

(42:04):
If you can't do it now, you're not going to
do it. And I think that's the hard part for
me to realize that, guess what, if you're not going
to cut, it's not gonna You're not going to make
harder cuts. If you can't make the easier, more justifiable
cuts right now, you just we're not gonna cut. We're
just going to keep deficit spending that is going to
that grow. And if you look at the markets right
now in the bond market, they're not excited about this.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
They're okay, big deal, not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
And look, I am not I'm not Debbie Downer totally
because without this bill we would have seen a massive
tax like and I'm not okay with that. So I
am glad that we're not going to see that mat
and it's permanent now our tax rates days the same
instead of having some expiration day which didn't make any sense.
But I also think that the taxes, you know, no

(42:49):
taxes on tips up to a certain amount. It's not
all by the way, but the tax really found in
that bill really does look at our working class, every
day people, which I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
It is, well, what is it on fair? Greg? So
you're saying, Greg, here's why I have trouble with the
no tax on tips. Right. So if I'm working as
a offense manager, right, my taxes aren't changing. But if
I'm a if I'm waiting on tables where I get tips,
oh yeah, tax is that fair?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yes? Because you make more money as the manager than
you do as a server.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Don't maybe maybe maybe a sequel.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
It's not I've been both. I'm telling you now, Look,
I'm telling you the service industry is a tough gig.
And when when everything was a cat. Look, I've been
a bell hopitt at a hotel. Okay, nice of Pittsburgh hotel.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
You've shared stories.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Okay, so I lived not I park cars at at
Tambalin's restaurant. I was a valet. Everything's cash back in
the eighties, okay, everything there's no such thing as you know,
adding it to your card or whatever. There was no
electronic tracking of your tips. So they took your minimum
wage and they deducted it by a certain amount of
just assuming this is what you're what you're taxes. Well,

(44:01):
now that everything's electronic, it's like a tax increase to
those that were servers who were working in the cash
game before, who are now having everything digitized, it's it's
a higher tax because back then three sixty five was
our minimum wage. I got paid two bucks an hour
and the difference was what they.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Paid for text the tips tips.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
So my point is, so you think that's fair one
hundred percent? Yeah, I think the service industry, I think
they work very, very hard and I think that those
tips shouldn't be taxed.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
What if your income level is the same and there
you find out this person we're here. The only place
for tips is getting a break.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I don't know what kind of tips you give that
you think that those wages are the same as the
people that manage the joint.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
But the only.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Place I would say you could argue that the tips
could put you even in a universe the same as
management would be uh in Vegas. But outside of that,
I think that people you see in the service industry
or you know, they're working pretty hard.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Well, the question I have Greg and for.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Very little everybody. I think a lot of people work
very hard but were very hard for very little.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Okay. I just think it's kind of discriminatory. That's that's
just jealous.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
You're just jealous. You want to tax off of your tips.
You're with your equivalent of a tip. No, they get tips,
You don't get tips.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
You know how much I paid in taxes this year?

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah you don't. That's the root of this. You jealous
of the poor servers that don't have to get their
tax Okay, anyway, it's up to like it's only up
to like fifteen eighteen grand a year. They should be
all tips, no tax on any tip.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Ever, when we come back, I want to get to
your phone calls eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero. We have a color waiting right now. If
we Casey will ask you to hang on because we
need to break. But when we come back, my question is, Greg,
with all the work and all the hype the DOSEE got,
was it worth it?

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Because nothing seems to be changing.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Well, knowledge is power.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I say a eight eight five seven eight zero one zero.
Your calls and comments coming up on the Rotten Greg Show.
We won't see a tax increase come the end of
this year, making them someone I think some of them permanent,
didn't it?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Oh yeah, it's permanent now, which which all tax cuts
should be. I never, I never voted for a tax
cut in the legislature that was wasn't permanent. It was
just that's the new tax rate. I think it's actually
contrived that it had an expiration date. Also, it increased,
let's see it in border patrol. Yes, that's that's what
I was looking for by by quite a bit to
ten thousand, I think. Yeah. Judges, Immigration judge, oh, immigration

(46:26):
judges could judges themselves not interested, but yeah, no judges. Yeah,
so that's that's I like that. I mean, I I
do think that the emphasis on the ten thousand additional
ice agents are obviously certainly needed. And I because I
I'll tell you President Trump will never get to the
present Barack Obama numbers of removals and deportations. He will

(46:47):
never get there because he doesn't he has a He's
held to a set of rules and process that President
Obama nor anyone else has ever been held to.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Well, we want to get to your phone calls on this.
We can talk about this, talk about Doge. Was it
worth it? Does? Some pure lawmakers paid much attention to it.
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero triple
eight five sevenaights zero one zero to the phones, we go.
Casey's been waiting very patiently in West Valley tonight here
on the rod In Greg Show. Hi, Casey, how are you.

Speaker 7 (47:17):
Well.

Speaker 12 (47:17):
I've just been kind of mind numbingly reading through this bill,
and I can't make a whole lot of heads or
tails of it, but I wanted to know if you
guys were able to pick up what the tax rate
or tax deduction would be for seniors who get Social Security.

Speaker 11 (47:34):
Did they remove the taxes on that?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
They did not, as as was promised and as was
talked spoken about, and President Trump ran on this, it's
one of his big issues. What they ended up doing, Casey,
is that they did not do a complete elimination of
taxes on Social Security. But what they did was they
provided a four thousand dollars tax deduction for people aged

(47:57):
sixty five and older with an adjusted grossing come up
up to seventy five thousand for an individual and one
hundred and fifty thousand for married couples. So if you
make one hundred, if you're a married couple, when you
make your household justed in comes one hundred and fifty thousand,
you get a four thousand dollars tax deduction for that.
That's what That's the best they could do.

Speaker 12 (48:19):
Well, dang, I'm sure my grandpa will pop up for more.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
But I areciate your help.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, I know, I had to look that up, but
I was disappointed. I actually the four thousand dollars tax
deductions actually more than I thought. I thought they scrapped
the whole thing altogether, but they didn't. And there's at
least that deduction. But I don't think the story's over.
I'm hoping that there's more to come.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Well, it does have to go to the Senate, and
it appears you pointed out when we were talking with
Steve Moore a short time ago that the Senate they
appear to be more budget hawkish than those in the House.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, Wisconsin's Senator Ron Johnson, he is like, there is
just no way that this is enough to cut. We
have to get the pre COVID levels or some something
remotely close to the pre COVID levels of spending, and
it shouldn't be as hard. And so there are you
have them. We spoke with Senator Mike Lee. You have
some good voices out there. And here's what I don't understand. Politically,

(49:12):
there's no downside to cutting more. And I'll tell you why.
The Democrats have already voted against this, every single one
of them, so to the extent that there was a
massive tax increase to the every American household individual coming
if they didn't pass this bill. The Democrats are telling
you we were fine raising taxes. In fact, we want to,

(49:32):
we don't want, and we don't. We're okay without taxes
on tips, we're not. We're okay if you don't have
the four thousand dollars deduction on the Social Security because
we're against all of this. Okay, that's where they're at.
But for the for us there every Democrat is going
to excoriate crit and and just condemn every Republican that
votes for this budget bill without regard to what it

(49:54):
actually says. So with that being the case, why would
you just not cut the fraud? Why would you not
cut the things that have been identified that you can
show receipts, you can show explain with context what it means.
There are not thirteen million people in America one hundred
and twenty years of age and order with social Security,
with valid Social Security numbers, and we have eliminated that,

(50:16):
and there is a cut that comes with that. Not
all worth receiving benefits, but they weren't listed as deceased.
There is so many examples of that. There's one hundred
million in unused federal phone lines that you could just cut,
and they don't touch it. And someone says, well, one
hundred million won't balance the budget. Will you know what
one hundred million still spends?

Speaker 11 (50:33):
You know?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
And I want to see but and what's worse is, yeah,
it doesn't balance the budget, and you can't even do that,
and you can't even get to that. And so I'm
good with the bill in many ways, but I just
have such a profound disappointment that they could not do
more because there's no there's no political backlash to it,

(50:53):
because they're already gonna get it. They're gonna get smacked
by the Democrats. Whether they cut it now, cut it
in twenty nine, or didn't touch it at all.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
It's not a done deal yet because it does go
to the Senate. And I heard Ran Paul who was
on with Clay and Buck earlier this morning as I
was coming in Greg and he said, I'm not voting
for it yet. I want to see deeper cuts. I
could so, and you know, Mike Lee is in that crowd.
You know I would I would think Sender Lee would
be saying, yeah, you got to cut a little deeper here, folks. Now,

(51:21):
can they do that and still sell it to the House,
because there are people like Chip Roy in Texas who's
been waging a fight to get deeper cuts. Now he
voted for this today, yes, but if there were deeper cuts,
I think he'd vote for it as well.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
He would now look to be fair, there are members
of the House, Republican members of the House representatives who
who represent districts, and one in November as Republicans in
their congressional district that actually voted for Kamala Harris. And
that's kind of scary that they got a constituency that
liked Kamala Harris. But they're the Republican congress member of Congress.

(51:55):
So in places like blue states like New York, stuff
like that. But I will say so there's a little
there's a little apprehension on the tax increases that would
have come from you not being able to deduct your
your your federal taxes from your deduct your state taxes
from your federal taxes. And so there was some apprehension
with some of those members of Congress, if they leave

(52:15):
they they worked that out, they figured that part out.
If they just stay away from that. But get to
the DOGE cuts. Man, I think you're good. I think
I think we're good.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Are we anywhere near pre COVID budget? No?

Speaker 2 (52:26):
No, the yeah, it's so yeah, it's it's trillions and
trillions and trillions of dollars higher and it just grows.
It doesn't. Actually, when we were when we were deficit
spending as bad as we were during World War Two,
after the war concluded, we went back to pre World
War two spending.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
That's what you do because there's war.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Later, there was a war, it was accelerated. And when
they when the war ended, they came back to when
there's not a war. Well, there was COVID. There's no
more COVID. We go back to what it was like
before there was COVID. You can even factor in your
inflation whatever you want to do, but even that would
amount to trillions of cuts.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I don't know if I can believe another Republican out
there whoever stands on a speech or a stump and
says I'm for smaller government and I'm for cutting Texas. Yeah,
I want to hold a big sign up that says
b S.

Speaker 11 (53:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
If you if you can't get if you can't run
with it with what was identified as fraud from DOGE,
and you're not. You're not. You're not reflecting it in
your federal budget. You're not. You're not. You failed the test.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, you sure have all right? More coming up, Rod
and Greg with you on this Thursday afternoon and Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine kay n r s.
We both own this show. You do what you'd like
to do?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Well, we're pretty far into it now, so I just.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
We've been doing this. Can you realize that almost a year?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I know, boy, it's been fun.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
What a troubling?

Speaker 2 (53:43):
You love it?

Speaker 1 (53:44):
You love it.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
You look younger, You just younger, you'll cappier. Yeah, you
gotta you, gotta got you gotta glow to you.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
It's beautiful. Thank you. Ray is a damn liar. All Right,
we're talking, we're taking phone calls. You know, I'm here.
We had Donald Trump and there are a lot of
people in our listening audience who support the Prince. He's
calling it the big Beautiful Bill.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I know, I like it.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I like the name, you like the name, But what
about the bill?

Speaker 11 (54:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Well, you know, I mean, we have to depend on
the Senate to make it better? When since when has
the Senate made anything better? I was like, what, they're
going to get conservative and then become a budget hawk.
I don't I doubt it, but I hope, I hope,
I hope, I really hope they only need fifty one
for this they don't need sixty, so when you get
to one, they don't want. Yes, that's that is why

(54:35):
why we have the Republicans have their destiny in their
own hands. There's nothing the Democrats can do to change that.
And you've got to have something to take and show
the work. And this is the work. This is what
you have to do. You've got to do it now.
If you don't do it now, we're just I mean,
it's not going to happen. I don't see any political
pathway that gets easier to cut federal government than the

(54:57):
one that Doge has car doubt for us.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
You know, here, here's my concern, Greg, is this another
example of well, just pass it and then read it. No,
well it's eleven pages long.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
No, they're letting them read it. But they're doing it
from you know, two am to four thirty am now, So.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
There is there awake enough I know to do this,
And I just I don't know. I'm a little disappointed.
I'll be honest. I understand. I like the fact that
the tax plan continues and there are a few good
things in there, but I want to see significant cuts
in government.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
It is too so it's a big it's a mixed
bag for me, because I would be far more upset
right now if we were still sitting here without a
House that has the votes to pass anything. Okay, if
the status quo is ruling the day, I would be
more upset than I am right now. That said, I
really don't see any political downside to being aggressive on
your cuts because the Democrats all voted against it. They're

(55:54):
if you cut more, they're voting against it, or not
pick any of them up. They're going to say, I've
already seen the post where they're saying this, this attacks medicaid,
and they lie about it. They this only this only
addresses Medicaid Medicare in ways of fraud and in waste.
It does not hurt any individual at all. And yet
that's all the Democrats can keep saying, is it's going

(56:14):
to hurt people's social security and medicaid. Oh it's in Medicaid, Medicare.
It's not. But knowing that they're going to accuse you
of that, whether without regard to the truth, go do
the right thing and get this, get this nonsensical federal
government that is spending money so irresponsibly that we don't have,
and and pair it back.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
This issue is not going to shrink now. Have an
opportunity right now to shrink it or attempt to cut
this down to size at least showing the American people
that they do care about the future of this country.
It doesn't do any of that and does not do
any of that. And like you said, great, if we
don't do it now, the problems doing get bigger and

(56:56):
bigger and worse worse.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
And you know, the thing is that Elon Musk came
at this the right way, and he was very optimistic
with the incompetence he was coming across. He was seeing
billions turn into I mean, he thought that he could
get to a trillion dollars with the with the insanity
of how that money is being spent. But then he
ran into the machine. And the sad part is if

(57:18):
you again, if you can't do it now, and he's
looking at it saying, I'm giving you why did I
go through all this trouble? If what I'm showing you
you're not going to you're not going to act upon,
then it's I don't know what circumstances they act upon.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
If not these, yeah, they've got to say, well, I
guess we can hold out hope that the Senate will
do something more.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
But again, it's better than no bill at all. Just
you know, these squishes always have the easier path, don't they.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Yeah, they do, they do all right, when we come back,
we'll talk more about the Biden presidency. It is an
historic scandal. We'll talk about it when we come back
to stay with us.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
I can't remember how much it is, but I pay.
I think it's three bucks a month. I pay for
like enhanced service.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
You're inhanced service.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, yes, I pay, yeah, because I want You know,
there's no perks around here. They weren't like throwing me
a bone, just giving me, you know, the enhanced service
for free.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
You and I saw something today. There may be a
little prime. We were asked to give our opinion a
certain thing, and uh, it may be coming something.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
You want to think anyone have an interest in golfing
with two bad golfers, you and me. We had to
do that for this summer. We had to think about.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
That bad golf.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
We'll be like, we'll do it. We'll go to the
callers and they'll be calling to not be included. Yeah
that that maybe that's maybe I'm maybe I'm walking into it.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Say something. If we invited people to come golf with us.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
And crickets and nobody called in No One golf with YouTube,
that that would be a we're actually a lot of fun.
What we lack in expertise we make up for in commentary.
And uh. And I let Rod hit the ball further
than me off the tea sometimes because he gets really
upset when he when I out drive him, So I
let him hit the ball further.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
You are so you you if you ever go golfing
with us. He is an interesting person because he blames
every bad shot on the course.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yes, or you you know you're poor in your poor
taste and courses?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
No, yeah, right, if it's not flat, he won't play
on it.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
That's well. Mountain courses just are a little you know,
if you hit a fairway, shit stand a fairway. I
think I don't think I'm alone in this.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah. Shall we talk about Joe Biden for a minute.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
What I want to talk about is this regime media
and the talking points that they're not even skilled enough
to like just add some different words so that you
don't know that it's a universal memo. They've all been
commanded to repeat out loud, which is what all they do.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah, this is it. I mean, listen to this. Now.
This is a result of the very interesting, very awkward meeting.
I think it's fair to say that President Trump had
with the President of South Africa yesterday and they were
we're talking about genocide in South Africa, and the President
dropped a little video on the South African president that
a lot of people were going, oh, that was shocking. Well,

(01:00:08):
of course the legacy media decides to have a field
day with it and uses a interesting word to describe it.
And listen to how many of them did that? For
the dramatic scene in the Oval Office today, the tense
confrontation President Trump ambushing the President of South Africa.

Speaker 8 (01:00:23):
Next another Oval office meltdown, President Trump ambushing the President
of South Africa.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
President Trump is being accused of conducting something of a
diplomatic ambush a South Africa's president in the Oval Office.

Speaker 11 (01:00:34):
To be with you, I'm katie, sir, President Trump orchestrated in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Another Oval office ambush today.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Today, Donald Trump meeting with the President of South Africa
and attempting to ambush and humiliate that leader.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
To Zelensky Territory, where essentially he was a bit ambushed
inside the Oval Office.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Felt like an ambush in there, kind of like the
President's Elenski meeting in the Oval Office. This was an ambush.
It was orc astraded the little room.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Opposta brought his best diplomatic self to this meeting, but
nothing could have prepared him for this multimedia ambush.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
What started as to some degree in ambush.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Well, Katie, I mean it wasn't ambushed.

Speaker 13 (01:01:12):
Ambush, ambushed, ambushed and ambushed.

Speaker 8 (01:01:14):
Ambushing, ambush and ambushed inside the Oval Office.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Would you think, now these are these are very you know,
well educated journalists, Yep, that they could come up with
a different word than ambush.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Well, it just shows their disinterest in policy, their their
willingness to just repeat the talking points sent to them.
They're just so willing to do it. And they do
this in the midst of a book tour about how
they couldn't see what the whole country saw in terms
of Biden's mental you know, diminished mental ability. And and
at the same time, as soon as you get off

(01:01:51):
of the Biden talk where they never saw it and
all this was going on and they're trying to rewrite history,
they all repeat the memo they got sent with the
word ambush, and they can't even edit it to sound
original from their own mind, they just say ambush.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Ambush, ambush. Well, speaking of ambushes, Joe Biden pulled an
ambush on the American people, I think with what went
on in the last four years. And joining us on
our Newsmaker line to talk more about that, he is
a columnist at The Daily Signal is Jared Stepman. Jared,
thank you for joining us. You're talking about the Biden
presidency being a scandal of historic proportions. Do we have

(01:02:27):
to force ourselves to remember that? Why is it so
important to remember what Joe Biden did to the American people?

Speaker 7 (01:02:32):
Yeah, because I think that when you go back and
I think that there's now an attempt now to rewrite
history of this entire era. I think it's been one
of the most prominent scandals in American history that we
essentially had a presidency that wasn't a presidency at all.
I called it Trump. Excuse me, I called a Biden

(01:02:53):
his irrelevancy Because it's very clear now, especially as a
lot of revelations come out about Biden's health d that time,
that he wasn't really running the executive branch, and that
is a serious issue. I mean, the American people allegedly
elected President Biden, not a series of bureaucrafts and those
who worked in his administration. This is a major scandal.

(01:03:15):
And I think that instead of just looking at saying
how infirm Biden was, I think we should hear names
about who essentially was running the country during that time.
It's a very disturbing thought, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I I one hundred percent agree, and I really did
believe that I understood, and many of us understood his
cognitive decline and his inability to make these decisions. And
we all asked the question that I think during his administration,
who's making these decisions? And no one history will never
know who these people are, so they can be much
more cavalier. But let me ask you, is it worse

(01:03:46):
than you thought? Because I, as this information gets out
and we're talking about it more, I didn't think I
could think it could be worse. But I do feel
like this is even worse than I even imagined, and
I didn't imagine it very good that do you have the.

Speaker 7 (01:03:59):
Same I do, especially with the cancer reveal, which it's
becoming quite clear, especially when I hear the testimony of doctors,
that this has been a long term issue. This is
not something that is likely to have developed within the
last few months since the exit his presidency. In fact,
it's very likely he had this issue even before he

(01:04:22):
became present. And why the American people at no point
knew this information from an older present who was already
seemingly in mental decline, was also an extreme physical decline.
I mean, he could have ultimately died at any point
during his presidency. Why were the American people not informed
of that? And then, of course you combine that with

(01:04:43):
some of the tapes that have been released from the
Robert Hurr testimony, which already looked very bad on paper,
but when you listen to them, and some of my
colleagues have listened to the entire five hours of these tapes,
this sounds like not just a man who shouldn't be
making big national decisions, but maybe not even making small
personal decisions. And that's again, it's a really terrifying thing,

(01:05:04):
especially in an age in which the president is expected
to make a critical moment by moment decisions potentially in
matters of war and peace that are up to the
minute in the world of instant communications and nuclear weapons,
and we had essentially a government by some kind of
committee that the American people were unaware of. That's a

(01:05:24):
very dangerous thing. I think there's no wonder that so
many crises erupted all over the world when we basically
didn't have a president of this country at all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Jared, did you point out in your article A lot
of people and we've talked about this on the show
as well, about a comparison to Woodrow Wilson and what
happened during his presidency. But as you point out, what
happened to Wilson was near the end of his term.
This may have started with Biden near the very beginning
of his term.

Speaker 7 (01:05:48):
That's dangerous, It's very dangerous, and I do think it's
a very different situation. I mean with the Wilson situation
was very bad. He suffered a stroke for a laten
his presidency. His wife sort of ran the White House
for a short time. But in those days, the Democrat
Party actually pushed him aside. He wanted to run for
a third term. They pushed him aside because they knew

(01:06:10):
his health was terrible. They couldn't voice down the country.
It wasn't credible for a man to run a campaign
when he was in that condition. This was actually the opposite.
They actually put him out there in the hopes that
he would hopefully not just win that first election, but
his second one too. The only reason why he eventually
didn't do, though, is because he looked so terrible in

(01:06:30):
his first debate with President Donald Trump that they had
remove him. That he simply wasn't a credible candidate at
that point. And again, that's the sort of contempt for
the American people that trying to foist the candidate who
was simply unable to perform the very basic duties of office.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
So, you know, actions in hindsight, and I felt we
all felt the severity of these decisions pretty quickly as
Biden took office. But they opened the borders, just absolutely
ignored the constitution duty to stop us from being invaded
and just let that border stand wide open. You had
memos being circulated in the Department of Homeland Security declaring

(01:07:10):
devout Catholics parents at school board meetings, gun owners as
potential domestic terrorists. Jar are we ever going to know
the specific names of those who pushed those policies because
I think we now know that I don't know that
Joe Biden was even aware that these were policies that
his administration was promoting. Will we get to know the
actual people who pushed these specific issues that harmed Americans?

Speaker 7 (01:07:35):
Well, that's very much what I want. Do you think
that there need to be congressional hearings over this to
get to the bottom of who was making those decisions
during that time. That's why I don't think that this
matter should simply be dropped. I mean, these were catastrophic
decisions for the American people that we are paying a
consequence for, especially you talk about the border. Yes, the
Trump administration has been able to seal up the border

(01:07:58):
almost immediately, but millions of people came to the United States,
many of them are terrible criminals involved with criminal gangs.
I mean, there were serious consequences for having a president
who was out the lunch, who didn't often know even
the policies that were being pushed by his own administration.
I think President Trump was somewhat right in the sense
that less of the blame in this case now falls

(01:08:18):
on Biden than on these people who are around him,
and there need to be people who are accountable for
what happened during that time. So I don't you know,
you have a lot of members of the press who
are now trying to sort of rewrite history, but they're
not getting to the bottom of who was making these
decisions behind the scenes. I do think Congress in particular
needs to step forward and do investigations. The American people

(01:08:41):
deserve to know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Jared. Final question for you, ten twenty years down the road,
how are historians going to view Biden? They tend to
lean more towards the Democratic presidents than they do the
Republican presidents, but we're is he going to be at
the bottom of the list? I can only hope, so.

Speaker 7 (01:08:58):
I think he will, especially because there were many on
the left even who try to sort of throw him
under the bus and actually try to make it seem
like all of their failures in the Last war Riors
were simply because Biden was infirmed. And I think that
that is part of the story here too, is that
the reason that he lost in fact that Biden was
one of the more popular Democrats. He was one of

(01:09:18):
the few who could actually win. But the problems the
Democrat Party has are much deeper than Joe Biden and
his incompetency, in his sinility in office. It was the
people who put him in place who pushed I think
a lot of radical policies that are rejected by the
majority of Americans, and so I think even many on
the left are going to look at him with a

(01:09:38):
certain amount of scorn. You know, maybe they should look
at in the mirror about the issue. But I do
think his presidency will be seen as a low point
for the United States, a malaise, maybe even worse than
the nineteen seventies malays under Jimmy Carter.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Yeah, we thought Jimmy Carter was bad, but and I
remember those days very well. The gas lines. This, you know,
we're having a crisis of conscience in this country. Remember
that this is worse.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
This is how bad Jimmy Carter's heres were. I was young,
I was a young kid, and I remember all of it.
I remember the gas lines, I remember the them trying
to rescue the I remember the hostages in Iran. I
remember the crashed military helicopters that tried to rescue them
that failed. I remember them giving away the Panama Canal
back then. I remember I remember a lot. I remember

(01:10:25):
a lot during those times, and I was probably seven.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
But we were discussing yesterday this list of things that
have happened during Biden's time. Yeah, very very very long list.
And the question goes back to, Okay, how much did
he know? How much was he involved? In this story
out today? Apparently a long time Washingtonian, someone inside the
Beltway is now suggesting that Joe Biden, Okay, should be

(01:10:51):
you know, should there be allegations of elder abuse against
her for the way? Yeah, well, I think she used
her husband to stay in the White House. I think
clearly she would be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
But you know, anyone that suggested it before was demonized forever.
Saying it now it's now. It's a serious conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
All right, More coming up on the Roden greg Show
and Talk Radio one O five. Die can the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
It's a four day holiday. It's Friday, it's Saturday, Sunday,
it's Monday. You just you get to memorialize for four
straight days. It's beautiful. I'm happy. I'm not complaining. He's
the boss man. He picks the schedule. Yeah, sure, world,
I live.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I kind of like the breaks, I tell you, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Yeah, no, I'm just telling I'm just letting our listeners
know because it's more Memorial Day. Sometimes people and I'm
not questioning it. I embrace your philosophy, but some people
think it's like Friday, Saturday and Monday or Saturday, Sunday, Monday. No,
you with not the arcattes Man. They go full Monty
on the on the Memorial Day. It's a four day deal,

(01:11:48):
you know what, back off on Memorial Day, Memorial Day
itself on Monday, on the on the day itself.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
What I like to go to an event where they're
honoring the fallen fallen soldier?

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Did you used to do that a lot? They do
A very nice one in Caysville. We have a very
nice cemetery. Matter of fact, considered one of the best
cemeteries in the state.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Where you live. Yeah, yeah, what a homer.

Speaker 9 (01:12:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Of course it's the best one ever in the state,
the one you live near.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
What's that Best of State thing that we were nominated for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Well, if we didn't win, then it's not the best
of State. I don't know we were nominated. We should
have won.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
I don't even know why we did the best The
Best of State has recognized the Caysville cemetery is one
of the best in the state.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Well, I go to a cemetery and I put I put.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Flowers, do you Well, that's very nice of you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Yes, I do that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Yeah. We go up to Idaho and do it on
my my wife's family.

Speaker 13 (01:12:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
See, it's kind of a nice thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
That'sday if people, if.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
You really want to understand and say thanks to our
military soldiers, men and women in the military, go to
one of these ceremonies.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
I think Caysville has one sometime Monday morning, probably nine
or ten.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Well, I attended a funeral on Monday. That's why I
wasn't he on the show and some of those. Yeah,
And he was a bishop when I was just a
little boy. Helped help my mother, you know, convert to
the church. And that's a big, big role in my life.
And he lived the ninety three good Man. They had
a he a veteran in the Air Force and he
they had a service to the old Duffers man. The
old veterans, they're all, you know, they're getting up there

(01:13:19):
long in the two but with the with the rifles
firing them in the in the flags and the it
was it was very, very touching. It was one of
the nicer ones I've seen at a funeral. It was
really really good and befitting. Yeah, So if you in
your community, check it out. They usually have a Memorial
Day service at one of the cemeteries. You have time,
take your go, go, take your family, help your kids.

(01:13:41):
Understand the sacrifice people have made for this great country.

Speaker 11 (01:13:44):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
It's land of the free because of the brave. And
sometimes we don't. No, I think I didn't. It's stuck though. Yeah,
it's a good line. Yeah, it's all right. More coming
up on the road and great show. And before we
wrap up the show, something that happened thirty three years
ago today if you can remember one, it's not the

(01:14:05):
season series finale of Miami Vice, because that happened forty
years ago yesterday, yesterday, you would remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Yeah, all right, more coming up on the Rod and
Greg Show. You know, you and I have tried to
We've talked about this the the Democratic Party and there
are people even like James Carvel who are saying, will
you get off this? And he's talking about defending illegal
criminals in this country. A criminal is illegal, but these
are illegal aliens who are doing criminal acts. Yet we

(01:14:34):
have the Democrats Greg defending them without apology.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
I mean, and it even gets to like this is
a little unrelated. But the New York Times when this,
when this shooting happens, and outside of DC, outside this,
you know, at this museum, Jewish museum. I'll read you
the headline, FBI seeks motive after two Israeli embassy aids
are killed. A suspect shouted free free Palestine while being

(01:15:01):
arrested after shooting. After the shooting in Washington, agents in
Chicago have entered his apartment. How are you searching? Why
is How can you say the FBI seeks a motive
when underneath it you say the man shouting free Palestine.
I think we got that covered. But this is what
this is what the left does. They want to take
the terrorists, they want to take the illegal aliens that

(01:15:24):
are committing robbery and rape and murder, and they have
a sympathy for him. It's the most it's the craziest thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Well, let's dig into it now with our next guess,
Deroy Murdoch, a Fox News contributor, a good friend of
the show. What is it, Deroy, There's no love like
the Democrats love illegal alien criminals. What is this all about.

Speaker 6 (01:15:44):
Yeah, it's quite amazing. I have a piece on the
Daily Signal and the headline is there's no love like
the Democrats love of illegal alien criminals. And you know
it's not just one or two. We just keep seeing
this over and over, whether you're talking about up bringing Garcia,
the so called Maryland Dad who's just almost having a
love affair with Senator Van Holland from Maryland, while those

(01:16:05):
other members of the US House we've gone down to
assadors see him. This is just some guy who's a
gardener or maybe you know, doing some kind of a
manual labor, and he's not bothering anybody even though he's
an illegal alien. This guy is an MS thirteen member
gang member. He is a human smuggler who has caught
in Tennessee driving I think it was eight people from

(01:16:26):
Florida to Maryland inside of a car which is owned
by a man who's another illegal alien who was convicted
and deported for human smuggling. And he's also a wife
beater who saw on record on multiple documents which are
publicly available, where his wife complained about getting smacked in
the head by this guy with a boot and then
slapped for no particular reason three in the morning, slapped

(01:16:47):
the day of their daughter's birthday party. He's one example.
Then we've got this other amazing case you mentioned. Judges.
There's a guy by the name of Eduardo Flores Ruis.
He was at in court in Milwaukee, and this judge,
Hannah Dugan, decided that she didn't didn't want him to
face any difficulty from ICE. So she heard that there

(01:17:08):
were ICE agents were going to pick him up because
he apparently was wanted on a on a retainer detainer
I guess it's called. And so she apparently when the hallway,
screamed at them and said go talk to the chief judge,
and then she ran inside and said, okay, defendant Flores
Ruiz and then attorney come into my chambers, not allowing
the prosecution to be there. And then she said, great,
run down that hallway and down the stairs and you

(01:17:29):
could escape, and he did. Luckily, ICE and FBI were
able to catch this guy. But imagine a judge, you know,
basically conspiring with a criminal to get away from ICE. Unbelievable.
And people in the left are saying, oh, she's a
heroine and she's a great social justice warrior.

Speaker 11 (01:17:46):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:17:47):
I use the example, what if you had somebody on
the right, some some conservative or Republican or whatever pro lifer,
who decided to be a really good idea to go
blow up a planned parent hunt clinic. And then you
had a you know, a state judge appointed by a
Republican governor saying, okay, well, you know, we slip out
the door that way and you can escape before the
FBI catches. Unbelievable. So this is just extraordinary. And you
see case after case after case of the judges and

(01:18:10):
members of Congress. He saw them in New Jersey the
other day showing up at this ice attention facility called
the Delaney Center. And this was all the three Democrat
members of the US House as well as the mayor
of Newark, New Jersey, all liberal Democrats, and they were
there supposed to do quote unquote oversight to make sure
that everyone in there was treated I guess, you know,
with spawl like conditions. And the people there include a

(01:18:33):
guy named Lopez Reeus who's charged in Mexico child rape,
a Dominican named Maximo Nutniez. He was arrested for assault
with a deadly weapon that intend to kill. And the
Brazilian FUSIONI of the named Ramos Marine and he's won
in Brazil for homicide. So the Democrats just seem to
they just are madly in love with these people who
are illegal alien criminals, violent people, wife beaters, child rapists,

(01:18:55):
and murderers. And it's one after another after another. And
you think these people would be smart enough to find
some poor little grandma who got wrapped up in this
and all she's doing is taking over for grandkids. Sometimes
you got wrapped in an ice sweep or whatever. But
as their poster boys and basically poster boys kinde of
me poster girls, You've got these just bloodthirsty, murderous thugs.

(01:19:15):
And these are the new mascots, the new the new
folk heroes of the Democrat Party.

Speaker 11 (01:19:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
And to add to that, just late yesterday Wednesday, Judge
Brian Murphy, he's a district judge out of Massachusetts appointed
by Biden, ruled that Trump the Trump administration violated a
preliminary in junction that he had issued in April by
deporting illegal aliens without giving them enough time to object
to their deportations. But this is the rest of that story.

(01:19:41):
All eight illegal aliens that were deported had final deportation
orders and or just as you mentioned, were convicted criminals
of murder, of rape, of robbery. A child sex predator
was one of them. It's indefensible in any way that
I can imagine it. How are the Democrats doubling down

(01:20:03):
and really drawing bright lines in the sand and judges
who obviously you know, they are left of center and
are repeating the same agenda. How do they think that?
How do they think the American people are going to
digest this? And do they know these are campaign pieces
that write themselves, at least for the elected officials.

Speaker 6 (01:20:21):
Yeah, you're absolutely right about that. I mean to write
this commercial. You need to do is just you know,
take take the news story and just you know, kind
of clip any part of it and just at the
at the end say this message paid for by so
and so, you know, and look, you know again, if
you think, look, you know, these people should have fair,
fair hearings or whatever, you can make those kind of comments.
But my god, can't they pick somebody any of these

(01:20:43):
guys who might be maybe got caught for you know,
speed speeding or maybe for you know, parking violations or something.
But you've got to find people. You mentioned this, Judge Murphy.
I saw a story about just these eight guys, and
I think one of them was brought in for raping
a twelve year old, another one maybe for raping a
ten year old. There was another guy who was wrapped

(01:21:05):
up and I think he was involved in this place
in New Jersey, and if I'm not mistaken, he was
being held for raping I think his own daughter between
the ages of seven and thirteen. I mean, these are
the worst human beings who, you know, in a fair society,
society be on death row, and instead they're just embraced
and held up as heroes by the Democrat Party over

(01:21:27):
and over and over in state after state after state.
And he wondered, what on earth are the Democrats thinking of?
I mean, are they deliberately trying to make themselves extinct
as a political force this country?

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Yeah, and I don't see it changing. You know, someone
in the Democratic Party should be saying, can we stop this?
But I don't see anyone saying or trying to do that,
do you.

Speaker 6 (01:21:46):
Deroy I I don't see anybody tapping the brakes. I
don't see anybody saying, you know, hey, guys, we really
got to get off this issue and maybe talk about
healthcare or talk about you know, getting jobs going, or
talk about defense or peace or or you know, talking
about the soccata's coming along. I think they're going to
be due any day now, any any issue better than this.

(01:22:09):
I mean, they're just digging their graves. And you know,
I'm not going to object if the Democrats want to
dig themselves graves, crawl in and you know, pull the
soil over their heads, that's okay by me. But boy,
if I were a Democrat or a Democrat, don't right
you look at these guys. You know, at some point,
you guys going to stop and actually talk about some
issues that make people's lives better other than you know,
MS thirteen members and terrorists and fentanyl importers and the

(01:22:31):
child rapists. I mean, if they want to be the
party of child reape, you know, be my guest. But
if I were a Democrat, I wouldn't be encouraging that
sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Fox News contributor Deroy Murdoch, Deroy, thanks for joining us
on our any hour Newsmaker line. And you made a point, Greg,
I remember it was after Romney lost. Did you say that?
Remember the autopsy that the Republican Party did on usself
as to why did he lose?

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Why would Rodney?

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
We were one of the issues, we were too.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Tough on illegal immigration, that we were being seen as racists.
So we have to have open borders if we're going
to ever win a presidential race.

Speaker 11 (01:23:01):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
That was in twenty twelve. Thank goodness, Donald Trump came
along and he completely turned that and people were buying
it too. They're like, oh, okay, yeah, the Democrats really
painting us as racist. Let's be let's be soft on
illegal immigration now. And Trump went the complete opposite and
the rest is his.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
And the American people got behind him, of course. Yes,
all right, more coming up here on Utah's Talk. Rady
Old one oh five nine can arrest and we'll be
back on Tuesday. We're going to take a little break
and enjoy the Memorial Day weekend and listening to Abby's
newscast today, a lot of other people are going to
be doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna be a homebody this weekend. Yeah, me too, Yeah,
and I do that, yeah, yeah, But I think you
and I are going to tee it up tomorrow though,
and I'm gonna have to let you out drive me
on some holes and I have to, like, you know,
swing half speed so that you're not mad at me,
so you play again.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Yeah, so I think that I appreciate your generosity. Boy,
how time flies? Thirty three years ago? Today? The last
Tonight Show with Johnny carsonaired thirty three years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
That is amazing, it's been that long. I watched him
a lot growing up. Yeah, yeah, I did too, remember this,
This was his sign off.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
And one of the lucky people in the world.

Speaker 13 (01:24:10):
I found something I always wanted to do, and I
have enjoyed every single minute of it. I want to
thank the gentleman who shared this stage with thing for
thirty years, mister Ed McMahon, mister dot Severn Cinemas, you

(01:24:31):
people watching, I can only tell you that it has
been an honor and a privilege to come into your
homes all these years and entertain you. And I hope
and I find something that I want to do and
I think you will like and come back that you'll
be as gracious inviting me into your home as you
have been.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
I bet you a very heartfelt good night. You know,
it's kind of interesting. He did set the standard, and
you know, Letterman and Leto carried it on I think
for the most part. But today I don't even watch
Late night saving Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel are so far
out there and they don't care. They don't care that
they offend half of America. They don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Well, you know, it's it's an era gone by. I mean,
Johnny Carson and the old school guys just didn't conduct
themselves away that they're doing it now. And I think
part of that is because ratings used to matter people
that would tune in when cable got really was the
primary way that people watch television. I think we're still
seeing a holdover from that, where these these late night

(01:25:30):
people don't care. They were getting paid a portion of
people's cable subscriptions whether you watch their channel or not.
So the ratings part of TV kind of went away,
and that's when you got these people that could just
get out there on a thin limb and offend their
audience and they don't care because they get paid anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
They get paid anyway. I mean, so I'm like you,
you can still Carson still runs. You can see there
are some funny clips on cable and I catch it occasionally.
I think they're they're kind of fun. But I think
the funniest part I always think with Carson was he
bombed in his monologues and they had when you know,
and most nights he did. Yeah, I mean there were

(01:26:07):
some jokes that went and he handled it so well.
I mean, he made it funny for his.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Jokes to I was going to say that you actually
laughed harder when the joke bombed than you did at
the jokes that didn't bomb. Yeah, but you know, it's
interesting when he signed off and I hadn't heard, hadn't
remembered it, but when I heard it, he said, maybe
I'm going to do something that will interest you. But no,
he didn't real he never really came back. He got
he really went off the radar screen really a lot.
I mean, people you didn't hear from him again. I

(01:26:35):
think it's a cautionary tale. Yeah, don't retire. Yeah, yeah,
I'm just say whether it's TV radio or I'm just saying,
don't retire, it's just, you know, it doesn't look like
as much upside to him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
He died several years later.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yeah, no, you said it, not me. I'm just saying
maybe there's something to that. Maybe TV radio don't retire.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
And I think, thinking back then, I think his last
two guests were Robin Williams and Bettmanzler, and he enjoyed
them tremendously when they were again. Robin Williams, whenever he
shoot up on Carson was just to who. I believe
those were his two last guests.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Yeah, and you know, if I mean, he had some errors,
because there's some times when he had you know, Frank
Sinatra on and he had some of those NRIs Rickles
and it's just a hoot. But yeah, that was a
great show, great time in the world, you know, back then.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Thirty three years ago. Today Johnny Carson said goodbye. All right,
just another reminder we'll be gone tomorrow and again on Monday.
Great Fox News specials coming up tomorrow. And remember the veterans,
the men and women who gave, gave the ultimate for
this great country of ours. That does it for us tonight,
head off the shoulders back. May God bless you and
your family this great country of ours. Enjoy your Memorial

(01:27:43):
Day weekend and be safe out there.

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