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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're not reading the room, I think, I am. I
we'll get into this, we'll explain this, but I.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Just this is like shooting fish in a barrel. This one.
This is about the easiest.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
So you think a lot of our listeners out there
with you. Yeah, well it's going to be actually going
to be fun. I mean it's been going on by
the for the last half hours. Listen, we've been going
at each other on this.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Look. I don't want to jinx myself. I don't want
you to sense any kind of hubris on my part
so that you have to like beat me down because
I see it like I'm too cocky. I'm not too cocky,
I am. I just so don't don't just be a
contrarian because you think I'm a little bit, you know,
being big for my britches. But I do think that
my position, not Rod's, is the right position. Right.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Do we have that on tape or he is actually
omitting he's not too cocky because we gotta save that
one because I'm gonna play that over and over again.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, because I'm not. I'm very humble.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm just asking did that happen?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Just to ask me.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Very you know, humility all right, man, Like we said,
we have got a dynamite show lined up for you today.
You just gotta you know, you got to go to
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(01:15):
in right now and just stay with us all day.
That's how good of a show we've got today.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
And then you're gonna want to come, You're gonna that
talk back, you're gonna want to make you're gonna want
to share your you're.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Gonna weigh in out at some point. So we've got
a lot to get to today. Senator Mike Lee will
be joining us a little bit later on Today. We're
also going to be talking about the battle over the
sale of public lands in Utah. Not over yet, folks,
and we'll also talk about how we unleash Utah's energy potential.
But boy, here we go, Greg, we have now reached

(01:45):
the level of a heavyweight fight. In this corner Donald J. Trump.
In the other corner, Barack Hussein Obama, and are they
starting to go at each other over the document dump
from Telsea Ebbert on Friday about the Russian hopes.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Who should we start with?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Should we start, Well, let's start with Obama because Obama's
finally said something. But Trump did today too. We'll let
you hear that in a minute. But Obama hasn't publicly
said anything other than through a statement. What does it say?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
So?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
This was stuff? Was this information? It was declassified and
released into the public Friday. We've been talking about it
Friday and yesterday, and we'll talk about today. But this
is the statement by former President Barack Obama today. Quote
out of respect for the office of the Presidency, our
office does not normally dignify the constant nonsense and misinformation

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flowing out of this White House with the response. But
these claims are outrageous enough to merit one. These bizarre
allegations are ridiculous and a weak attempt at distraction. Nothing
in the document issued last week undercuts the widely accepted
conclusion that Russia worked to influence the twenty sixteen presidential election,

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but did not successfully manipulate any votes. These findings were
affirmed in a twenty twenty report by the bipartisan Senate
Intelligence Committee, led by then chairman Marco Rubio.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Quote, ah, so, what is mister Obama doing now.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
So the point that I just want to highlight that
he says here is and I've heard this from others sure,
is that it is that the document did nothing. Nothing
in the document issued last week undercuts This is the
part the widely accepted conclusion that Russia worked to influence
the twenty sixteen presidential election but did not successfully manipulate

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any votes. He says, it was widely accepted that they tried,
but they did not manipulate any votes. That's what he
says is the widely accepted premise now and always was
and always was. That's not how I remember it, but
that's me.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, and how do you remember it?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I remember that they said that Russia hacked that election.
Oh yeah, for a half of Donald Trump, and then
they colluded together and that's how he won.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, they sure did.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
And that and he was and it was diminishing his
presidency or the legitimacy of that because it was a hacked,
Russian hacked election, that.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Is what they said. So Obama now is claiming a
Senate committee has already looked into this and they see
no issue here, because that's.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
What everyone knows. They knew, they tried, but they absolutely
did not do it. Yeah, I think that's a rewrite, Pal.
I don't think that's what everybody was saying. What did
President Trump say today?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
As well? There was a there was a meeting in
the Oval Office today. The President was meeting with the
President of the Philippines, and of course he always opens
it up for questions, and it got into questions about
the Russian hoax and everything else in there. Following what
Tulsea Gabber did on Friday, here's his first reaction to
it today, talking about the fact that you know, when

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he came into office in twenty seventeen, he could have
gone after Hillary Clinton. He decided I did not too.
He said, ex President's wife, we aren't going to go
after But then he continued to say this.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go after people.
Obama's been caught directly. So people say, oh, you know
a group. It's not a group, it's Obama. His orders
are on the paper, the papers are signed, The papers
came right out of their office. They send everything to
be highly classified. Well the highly classified it's been released.
And what they did in twenty sixteen and in twenty

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twenty is very criminal. It's criminal at the highest level.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
And he didn't stop there. He said, mister Obama is
the ring leader.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Barack CU said, Obama is the ring leader. Hillary Clinton
was right there with him, and so was Sleepy Joe Biden,
and so with the rest of them, call me Clapper,
the whole group. And they tried to rig an election,
and they got caught. And then they did rig the
election in twenty twenty. And then because I knew I
won that election by a lot, I did it a

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third time and I won in a landslide. Wingsnake won
the popular voute. But I won that all the same
way in twenty twenty, and look at the damage that
was caused.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
The heavyweights, greg are now getting into it.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
They are, And so you have two very different You've
got Trump saying, now there's he he's sent the intelligence
community on a premise that the Russia had influenced the
outcome of the selection. And I think if you look
at the memos that were released, it's exactly what he does.
Uh huh, I mean, I don't even know, there's no daylight. Yeah,

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that's exactly what he does. He says they influenced this relation,
they interfered, they interfered with this election, and uh and
but anyway, maybe maybe my memory's off, maybe there is,
maybe maybe there isn't a montage of that somebody's put
together of all the regime media during that time. Maybe
I'm wrong, Maybe it's me.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh, how wrong you are, public servant breath. We have
found a media montage, thanks to the legacy of each
and every one of them, saying Russia hacked the election, hacked, hacked.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Try didn't try it like like Obama said, hacked.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
They hacked the election.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Russia hacking the election to elect Trump.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
But is the end of our box.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Votes were definitely affected, but Russia hacked the election to
tilted to mister Trump.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
The Russians definitively hacked the election.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Russia did hack the election, no doubt, the Russians hacked
the election.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yes, Russia hacked the election.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Packed Russia hacked the election.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
President elect Donald Trump still not sounding convinced that Russia
hacked the election.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
The President does not want to come to terms, but
the fact that the Russians hacked the election.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
President Trump says he still wonders if if the Russians
hacked the elections if.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
You can get them to accept that Russia hacked the election.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
See if you can get him to accept who won
the Civil Wars.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
If he admits it, it casts a shadow on his
victory over Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Russia hacked the election. Russia hacked the election.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Russia hacked the election.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
How many journalists are out there greg saying they didn't try?
They did?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
They did?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
There a difference.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
President Obama is former President Obama's hanging his hat on
saying nobody said they hacked it. They said they tried. No,
they said they hacked it, and they influenced the outcome
and the change in that. What was said prior, you know,
the the intel that was prepared for President Obama that
never got to him because they had a new direction

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to go. It said, it said that we are working
with the CIA on the Presidential Daily Briefing submission on
the threat. The thrust of the analysis is that there
is no indication of a Russian threat to directly manipulate
the actual vote count through cyber means. We agree with
We agree Russia probably is not and will not be

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trying to influence the election by using cyber means to
manipulate computer enabled election infrastructure.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
It goes on they hacked, they hacked the election. That's
what the media claimed.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well here it's said the reports the said that they
weren't able to nor did they.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, all right, when we come back the shame of
the kiss cam coming up on the Rod and Gregg
Show in Utah's talk radio one oh five nine k NRS,
and the cameras was was focused on these this couple
and you look at and you think, well, maybe their
husband and wife. Right, well, the camera states on them
and they don't kiss. Well, you know, the crowd kind
of gets after him, but then something happens.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
He holds up a pair He has a printed piece
of paper eight and a half by eleven that says
my sister with an arrow. Okay, my sister. So you know,
I think that's a direct result of that's been since
the kiss cam.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
I know this. I think this was before I think
this like said a Minnesota Gopher's hockey game or basketball game, or.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Clearly he knew that this moment upon him. He was
he was thinking ahead at least he's like to explain.
So you know, it's it's one of those things that look,
I'm looking for this discussion there's that you got to
look at, you know, the lives of the people that
are impacted. It's become a spectacle. He has either resigned

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or who has let go, and you know when he's
got there's kids involved in everything else. So a lot
going on.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
But the memes, the.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
And the lames are funny, pure comedy. The memes are funny.
But the story and joining us on our news Mike
a Line to talk more about that is Jacob Hess.
He is a contributor for the des Red News. He
wrote about this today, Jacob, how are you welcome back
to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 8 (10:29):
Thanks for having me on the show.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Guys, Jacob, what do you make of all this? All
the funny memes and then the story behind it? What
do you make of all of this?

Speaker 8 (10:38):
Well, we really like distraction, We like entertainment. When we're
going through a lot of stuff, there's a desire to
have something else that's not our lives to look at.
And my goodness, what an explosive, silly, sad story that
we're everybody's paying attention to there.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
But can I ask you, Jacob, is shaming good sometimes?
Can we shame things that are bad? That I love
that you pointed out there was a twenty twenty two
gallop pole or a pole. Yeah, I think it was
got anyway. Nine out of ten people say that marital
infidelity is morally wrong, invoking more disapproval than any of

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the other bad behaviors or immral behaviors like abortion or suicide,
death penalty, premarital sex, pornography. It was ranked the worst.
Shouldn't shouldn't if everybody is collectively mocking or shaming this
isn't that the same as society collectively saying this isn't good,
Like this is we're going to tease you because you

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do something so bad and so silly, and doesn't that
maybe have a chilling effect on infidelity or at least
going to concerts with kiss camps.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
Yeah, I'm glad you say that. I'm glad you brought
that up, because there's kind of a war against shame
right now. Especially I like to tease my therapist friends.
They're always talking about how bad shame is, and I
sometimes like to say, maybe America needs a little more
shame about some things, you know. I sometimes we feel

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shameless and there's like a sort of a shamelessness. So
their majority is that people still think infidelity is wrong,
and so that kind of maybe comes out in this
fierce reaction. And historically public shaming was intended to reintegrate
someone into the community. Right, you held them accountable and

(12:32):
you said this is wrong, But then there was like
a process for reintegrating them. And I think one thing
I get into in the article is is that happening here?
Like if Rob did something terrible and we all go
on social media and we're like, yeah, this guy is terrible, Like,
how does how do you get reintegrated less sort of

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online shaming?

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Jacob? Why are you pointing out of me?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I mean a perfect analogy. I think you hit it
nail right on the head. You know, JA doesn't get to.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Greg and I were going after this story because I
don't think with this public shaming, it's funny everything that
goes along with it, right, But as anybody thought about
their families, and that's where that's where I feel sorry
for this public shaming.

Speaker 8 (13:17):
Yes, I mean he has two sons. She has a
son and a daughter. This has got to be an
agonizing week for them. It would be agonizing if they
found out in private about what happened, right, but they
can't run from it. I mean, they've all reports are
that they've all erased themselves on social media, so they're

(13:38):
sort of fleeing from public view. So yeah, I do Look,
some of the memes are hilarious, right, and I don't
think this is about like shaming people for laughing at
a mean about but it's it's like these two are
still human beings, including the couple themselves, and they've been

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they've lost their job, they've probably lost their families, they've
lost their dignity that's going to follow them the rest
of their lives. So yeah, how did they get reintegrated?

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Well?

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I you know, I think that there's you bring up
an interesting point. I I don't know that we could
there's anything you can do about it because there's no
censorship and people are gonna jump on things like this.
And I know that you're not suggesting that you stop
something like this, but I do think that the saying
have you no shame? I feel like I say that
more in twenty twenty five, then we shame too much.

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And so I actually think that if if infidelity is wrong,
and if it's if they're doing something that is in
such poor behavior especially when she's like HR. She's a
head of HR, of that company, which she's supposed to
be preventing inter you know, office relationships from happening, and
she's part of it. It's almost like they made a
bed and they have to sleep in it. To me,

(14:53):
but I I do see your I do see the complex.
It's a lot more complex. I guess the miss Piggy
and uh, you know the other muppet they had.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Jael. Yeah, what do we learn from this now? I mean,
the public shaming is never going to end, especially with
social media nowadays.

Speaker 8 (15:15):
For me, journalism and the kind of media that we're
both involved in is about seeking the full truth, and
the full truth is never as simple as some of
the online social media discourse. In this case, there absolutely
is a role for some guilt and like public accountability,

(15:38):
and there also has to be compassion, Like we can
hold both of these. These are not contradictory. So there
are going to be times when we all hope for
some compassion when we've done something and we're like really
hope that that compassion is there along with the accountability.
There needs to be more accountability for these kinds of things,

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and we can hold people accountable while while cultivating compassion
and grace.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah. Yeah, not so much compassion for Jacob or Jacob
has for for the But I think I think compassion
for their families, Jacob, that's one thing you have to
take into account, Jason, Jacob, great article. Really enjoyed the discussion.
So kind of interesting. Jacob. Thanks for joining us on
the Rodin Greg Show today.

Speaker 8 (16:25):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Guys. Hey, thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
All Right, Jacob has with the with the with the
test Red News. We're going to get into this on
five o'clock, Calary. I think we need to have a
discussion with people out there, this public shaming. How far
do you take?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
You can't put limits on it.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think I think we should beautiful. I don't think
we do it enough. I think that there should be
shame in terms terms of in terms of certain conduct,
and I think that we're I think moral morality has
become relative. There's a moral relativism that's gone on. That's
I think it's sickening. And uh and so I just
you know, but there are.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Two words that Jacob brought up, accountability and compassion, and
can you have both?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
I'm sure they get severance packages. There's your compassion.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Okay, geez, you're hard now mare coming up on the
Rod and Gregg Show in Utah's talk radio one oh
five nine KNRS. An interesting conversation, very much, usually a
little bit of a debate.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yes, yeah, and you and I have one coming up here.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Point Right now, we get to speak with the senior
senator from the state of Utah, Senator Mike Lee.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Now he's joining us on our any hour newsmaker line.
Sender Lee, thanks for joining us since afternoon. All right,
A lot going on in Washington with a document downt
from Tulsi Gabbard concerning the Russian hoaes. You've seen a lot,
You've heard a lot about it. What's your take on
all of this.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
Records that were unsealed on Friday to trace the origin
of this deception back to a December twenty sixteen gathering.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
Of the National Security Council.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Now here's what Tulsi Gabbard, our Director of National Intelligence said,
as she said, the task coming out of that meeting,
we're coming from President Obama directing the intelligence community, then
ODE and I Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, to
produce a document to produce an intelligence assessment that detailed

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not if, but how Moskeel affected the election that had
already occurred, electing Donald Trump to the presidency. And then,
despite the lack of reliable intelligence suggesting that Russia in
fact elected the affected the outcome of that election, the
National Security Council meeting participants then agreed to sanction Russia anyway.

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So what Tulta Gabbett confirmed was what many have suspected
for a long time, which is that President of Wallace
didn't ask whether Russia had interfered. He ordered intelligence agencies
to prove how it did, regardless of the facts. Now,
the so called intelligence community was weaponized to undermine a

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duly elected president, and that should concern every American and
certainly every Utah Senator.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
There's some wordsmithing going on right now, even from the right.
I'm disappointed to read some are trying to draw a
distinction between election interference in our election infrastructure versus trying
to out influence the outcome of the election and influencing
the election or interfering. They're trying to say, well, you know,

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nobody's to this. All those intelligence reports are about actually
hacking machines and infrastructure. This is about how Russia influenced
the outcome of the election generally. What would you say
to that? I mean, I I don't buy any of it.
It seems odd that they're going to, you know, focus
on the word infrastructure. It seems like they're talking about
the same thing to me.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yeah, it seems like that to me. And look, the
bottom line here is to remain focused on the big picture,
which is that this was post election when this directive
was given, you know, to go out and show how
Russia influenced, how Russia impacted the outcome of this election
after the fact. That's really really quite concerning, and I'm glad,

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very grateful to my friend Tulsea Gabbard for letting this
out into the open.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Have you seen any direct evidence in anything that you've
been able to see so far, Senator, where Barack Obama
is in fact instructing, you know, the intelligence community to
come up with something to show that link. Have you
seen any direct evidence so far that would relate to that.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Well, Look, I've seen only what's been released and discussed
publicly on this point. I have not seen anything beyond that.
And so there are inferences here that are made. There
are conclusions that have been drawn by Director National Intelligence
Tulsea Gabbard, and I think very high level.

Speaker 9 (20:54):
Of her and her conclusions.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
But if you're saying, if I've seen a single smoking
gun that ties it all together, no I haven't.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Here's my other question though, and I know that we're
we're also fatigued. The more transparency here, the more skullduggery
you get, you know, is going on. Your appetite for
seeing justice served becomes greater. But in this case, does
Barack Obama, because he was president at the time, does
he enjoy some immunity? Is there a jurisdiction where it
has to be in DC where I don't think any

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Democrat could be convicted of anything political with a jury there.
What do you think the fate of President Obama his
cabinet members? If you were to look at that memo
and see all those people that were attending Susan Rice,
you know, Clapper, Andrew McKay, Brennan, all the you know,
the usual suspects. What do you think that What do

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you think happens to them?

Speaker 10 (21:45):
You know, Greg?

Speaker 5 (21:46):
I wish I could answer that question. There are so
many variables here. Including provisions that deal with what the
proper venue is, what coredic would need to be brought in,
which office, which part of the Department of Justice might
bring it, what statute of limitations might come into play.
I don't even know how to begin to handicap this.

(22:06):
This is all fairly new in terms of when we've
learned of it, and I wish I had a better
ability to do that than I do, But I.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Don't sender would should Pam BONDI look at possibly appointing
a special prosecutor? Are there enough attorneys within the DOJ
to handle this? Do you think?

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (22:24):
I don't see any reason why this would need to
be handled by a special council.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Special councils.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Might be considered in some circumstances, this doesn't seem like
one where you would necessarily need one. Remember, this is
not anything that implicates those who are in charge in
this particular administration, and I think under those circumstances, Attorney
General Bondi is likely to stick within the normal run
of the mill Department of Justice apparatus.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Senator I saw you you you you put a post
out on X I think saying the same thing. There's
been talked President asked a majority leaders soon to consider
maybe not going into August recess to stare at and
maybe approve judicial appointments. I know that you stated a
support for that. You feel like, you know you guys
have been a stonewalled to some degree. Would you handicap

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the odds of you guys staying in August. I'm a cynic,
but if you have a different take, I'm all ears.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Well, Look, this has been known to happen right now.
Whether it's what portion of August might be consumed with that,
I don't know, but in recent memory this has happened
a fair amount. Chuck Schumer did this, I believe, both
in the summer of twenty twenty one and again in
the summer of twenty twenty two when he felt that

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we hadn't gotten enough of the things done that he
and President Biden thought needed to be done before we left.
Let me put it to you this way, Greg, there
are currently on the Senate floor on the executive calendar.
The executive calender is the business where we do work
at as quasi executive, meaning personnel you confirming presidential nominees

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and consider treaties. Also one of the executive count, we've
got one hundred and thirty six nominees who are out
of committee move forward with a favorable recommendation in the
respective committee of jurisdiction we're now sitting on the Senate floor.
That number is building every week by I don't know,
probably ten or fifteen per week as committees like the

(24:33):
one that I share an archie in the Natural Resources Committee,
most of our committees continue to turn out more nominations
that are filtering through. We've got to get those people
in office confirmed somehow. And the concern that I think
President Trump is echoing and that I share, is that
if we leave to recess for the month of August

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without getting that done, without clearing out that that sort
of backlog, or at least a significant portion of it,
that it's only going to get worse when we get
back in September, as we'll continue to have more people
being nominated, more people coming out of committee, and all
that just at the time when we'll have to turn
to a spending bill in September. So it's either stay

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for some or all of August or figure out some
other way to do it.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
But we've got to get to that.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
And if we don't.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
I think what we're going to see.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Is a lot more permanent career civil servants what someone
described as the deep state running our executive branch agencies
and federal departments instead of the political appointees chosen by
a duly elected president of the United States, and that
would be unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Sendra Lee. Thanks for joining US Utah Senator Leon on
our any our news maker line. All right, more are
coming up on the Rodin greg Show. Is that fair
to say, mister Hughes.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Well, yeah, well yes, I don't think there's enough shame
in this world at a twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I shame everybody.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
No, I'm not like, I'm not you know, the church
lady over here. I'm just saying there's a moral relativism
that I've had a gut full of, and I'm glad
that people are shamed by infidel no matter who it hurts. Now,
you know what you're just You're you're describing an extremes.

Speaker 11 (26:13):
We're gonna, we're gonna parse this out. We're gonna, we're
gonna we'll get to your phone calls on this. Yes,
he wants more public shaming. I embrace public shaming. Yeah,
I know, and I'll explain why when we come back.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
All right, were coming up our number two as a
result of what happened during a cold Play concert in
Massachusetts where the head of a I think the guy
was making like one point three billion dollars a year.
He was a c billion pretty close. Maybe maybe it
was maybe that was what the company was making. He

(26:45):
was the CEO of astronomer dot com I think was
the name of the company. He was at the concert
with his uh director of human resources, and they were
caught on the kisscam kind of hugging.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, they were what they say, canoodling.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Which is a great word by the way. Right, Well,
when they realized they were they dove for cover.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
They did they they made it very clear that they
did not want to be seen. In fact, the Coldplay artist,
the singer, who was commenting on the kiss can said, ooh,
either they are having an affair or they are very shy,
and so whoops. A viral moment was born.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Man was it? If? Was it? Ever? Well, you know,
they got caught. They did, they got caught red handed.
Now in the last hour now yeah no, Now it
has unleashed a fury of social media memes about this
couple and about what they were doing hilarity.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
We've had Miss Piggy being held by Bowser or whatever
one of the other muppets. We've had, We've had Donald
Trump holding Hillary Clinton and both dropping out of the scene.
We've had We've had there are so.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Many the Phillies mascots.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, so then there's a Phillies game where they showed
the Philly fanatic if he's holding a female fanatic and
then they jump out of the scene. And so, yeah,
it's taken on a lot of humor. People have made
a lot of fun of it. It's brought a lot
of attention to these individuals and their families. And so
in our last hour, we had an interview with doctor
Jacob Hess. He's a contributor to the Desert News, and

(28:20):
he wrote an article about is it funny or is
it or should we be showing compassion when moments like
this happened?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Accountability and compassion are the two words that he used.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I have taken the position that I think good old
fashioned shaming can be can be a very good thing,
and I believe that that the universal recoil or mockery
of two married individuals. He's fooling around like that, and
everybody mocking it and making fun of it in the
negative way shows that we're not okay that we think

(28:51):
it's something that's shameful. It's something that you can mock it.
And I think that's refreshing for me because I I'm
tired of anything goes that. You know, I hate the word.
I hate the phrase your truth. Well, that's your truth, Okay,
There's no such to me, there's no such thing as
your truth.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Truth.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
There is truth. And so when you see people saying, yeah,
this side hustle these two had going on, Haha, Look
they got caught, and I honestly think that, uh, you know,
the families that are involved, you know, yeah, it's very public,
but they weren't doing There was no favors given to this.
These families. If there, if their spouses or their parents

(29:29):
were acting this way and they didn't know, it's all
going to come around at some point. So I think
that I I think that we err on the side
of letting there be a little bit of shame. Look,
when I was a kid, my mother qualified for free
and reduced lunch. I qualified for free and reduced lunch
here's the problem. When I was a kid, those lunch
tickets were a different color.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yes they were, and I think they still are.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
And you know what, I did not want to be
seen as some poor kid who got free lunch tickets.
So I didn't take them because I was I was ashamed.
And you know, my grandmother was a single mother, raising
my mother and my aunt's and my uncle. She didn't
want to be on public assistance. Why because she didn't think.
She was a veteran of the navy. She was a
hard working Her husband left her but she my grandfather

(30:13):
did but she she worked. They were poor, but she
didn't take public assistance because she didn't she there was
a stigma in her mind to doing that. Now, if
you take it, I'm not I'm not. I'm not judging
anyone right now. But I do think sometimes you know,
you want to there are things that you should. You know,
if if you're ashamed of it, that's not necessarily a

(30:34):
bad thing. I don't think it's the end of the world.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Well, let me let me counter that a little bit,
all right. The accountability factor is there. What I think
in these memes sometimes is a compassion factor. And here's
what I mean by that, think of the families, and
that's what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about the wives
or the husband and the children, especially the children, and
what they had. I mean, can they their friends are

(30:58):
making fun of them? You know, people are talking behind
their back. That's where I'm coming from. I mean my
question would I have a couple of questions. First of all, Greg,
has the memes and the public shaming gone too far? No?
You say no, no, because you you say you need
to bring this issue up to embarrass people and hopefully
more people will.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I think that, Yeah, I don't. I would say it
in this order. You do something dumb, and it's dumb.
You do something that would embarrass your family, and you
get caught and everybody makes fun of it. Okay, there's
consequences that just keep rolling down. And I don't think
that the fault lies and those that make the memes
and those that make fun of it. I think the
fault lies and the two people who had no business

(31:38):
behaving the way they did, think about this. It's a
very large company. She is the head of human resources.
Her whole job is to make sure that there is
a work environment in which inner office relationships don't occur
because of the legal liability that comes from that, and
she herself is engaging in that with the CEO. The
irony of that and the stupidity of that is well

(32:01):
worth the mockery.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
My my question is on top of the other question
because I think it has gone too far. But there's
nothing you do about it, right, There really is no
social media not to censor you. I aren't going to
censor people. What does it accomplish?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I thinking to a concert? That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
But do you think that's going to stop people from
having affairs?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
I really I do think. Let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Really, do you think someone who's taking an a an affair?
We aren't going to do that anymore. They're not going
to concerts. Don't go to Okay, it tells people or
a cheating don't go to concert.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well, let me just tell you there. Theirs was a
was a circumstance where their company they had a picture
of all their people from their company that were backstage
with the cold Play prior. So it was a corporate event.
Don't canoodle at the corporate at the concert. I actually
think again, the wide mockery of this does bring a
stigma to it, that there might not have existed prora

(32:57):
to it, and so and does that does that end
into people's decision trees. I wouldn't. I don't think it.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Are you for public shaming no matter what I think it?
I mean, I'm setting you up.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Here, I know you are, But I'm saying when it
happens organically like this did. Like I don't want to
go out there and be the church lady and out
go out there and just start, you know, you pointing
fingers at everybody. But when something like this organically happened, But.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Aren't we doing that on social media by pointing fingers?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
If it happened, it's it's it's organic, it's it's not
someone's mission. Like I don't like doxing. Okay, I don't
like doxing, but do I But I do think if
some have two dummies act this way because you talk
about their kids, right, you know who's most responsible for
their kids not feeling this way? The parents, the parents.
So I think the parents that the parents are letting
their kids down, which they did. That is the ripple effect.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Okay, okay, years ago there was a story and I
remember doing this years ago when we were doing this
show that there were parents who were public shaming their children, Okay,
making them wear something like a sandwich board. You know
what the are, right, sandwich board walking on a street.
They did something I'm not sure what it was, but
they publicly shamed them. Is that okay to your own kids?

Speaker 12 (34:10):
Now?

Speaker 1 (34:11):
So, so there are limits in your opinion to public shaming.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Well, I don't need to publicly shame my kids because
if my kids do something dumb, I shame.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
What about some people have gone to that level to
publicly share there?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I think you're you're seeking a logical extreme.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
I'm telling you you don't think the social media or
is extreme.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
No, I'm saying that that's an organic moment that happened,
that that was unexpected and was and people made fun
of it. But I'm not I but you think out
put sandwich boards on your kids and make a march
around in public. That's that's not the same That's not
even the same scenario. I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
It's public shaming. What's the difference.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
The difference is that people collectively, without talking to each other,
made fun of a moment. This is a parent doing
that to a kid. That's a terrible thing. You don't
want to do that to your kid.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
So at a certain point, I'm telling you, is what
you would call someone use this term one situational ethics.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
It's not a situational situation for the parent that if we
have some stigma in society, some things that you will
get mocked for, or you will get teased for or
shamed for. I think that's fine. I think shame can
be a great motivator in terms of people's behavior, at
least in the short term.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Does it change their behavior?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I think it does. I do. I think it can
have the effect of changing.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
All right, Now before we go to a break, then
we want to get phone calls. We already have someone
who has corrected you.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yes, our audience much. I deserve it. I I'm ready
for this. I told you I want to display.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
This is one of our listeners who called in on
the talkback line. I'm about to get it after we're
talking on the show a little bit earlier about this.
This is what he had to say.

Speaker 13 (35:49):
Hey, Greg, poor choice of words, but it was hilarious.
Concerning the kiss cam, you said they've made their bed,
sleep it way to go.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
I'm laughing, you know.

Speaker 11 (36:04):
Now you have been publicly shamed, and I'm you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Are you a better man?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I'm not a snowflake, Rod, I'm still here.

Speaker 13 (36:12):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I wanted you to play or you heard that that
was hilarious. I did what a faux pap? I said that? Yeah?
All right, but I want to hear from our audience too,
am I right? Is there a little a little bit
of shame.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Good for a little bit of shame, But I think
this shame has gone too for.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
They went, they went too far. They're in a stadium.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Hey eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on
your cell phone, Dal pound two fifty and say hey,
Rod or on our talkback line. Just go to canterest
dot commonly. But's a message, your calls, your comments coming
up on the Rotten Gregg Show. We're taking your phone
calls now. Mister Hughes agreed that we should do more
public shaming.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
No, you know what, that's not how I said you.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I said, I think it's appropriate to publicly shame this
couple that was caught on the kiss.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
Came.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
That what we are seeing roll out due to their
behavior getting caught on the kill cam. I love. I
think it's hilarious. I think it's great. I'm not out
looking to do this to anyone ony, but the fact
they acted like idiots and then they got caught doing
it and then everyone's making fun, that's good. I think
it's I do. I think I'm glad that society doesn't
think that's cool, that they're like, ah, that's something worth mocking.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
See. I was going to say, but I've seen this
before that you don't have a compassionate bone in your boxy.
I do, but you do because I've seen you displayed
on this show. Yes, I get the old alligator of
tears or crocodile tears? What are they? What have they?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Go?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
All right, let's go to the phone.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Can we listen to it? Can we listen? Can we
talk to our listeners? Please?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Sure? Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
to the phones. We go.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Let's go to Robert and Sandy. Robert, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (37:43):
I agree with Greg.

Speaker 14 (37:45):
I think that it's a pretty despicable act. And unfortunately,
it seemed like, like Greg said, it seemed to be
more and more acceptable. I don't even like to vote
for somebody that I find out had been unfaithful, because
if they can't even be faithful to their wives, how
the heck can they be faithful to me as a
voter that they don't even know? I mean, to me,
I grew up Catholic, so we're we're kind of big

(38:05):
into guilt and shame.

Speaker 10 (38:08):
I mean, I mean, I mean, we used to joke.

Speaker 14 (38:12):
That if you're into guilt, you're either Jewish or Catholic.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
But that's great.

Speaker 14 (38:16):
But the thing is is it's next to murder. It's
about the worst sin you can commit.

Speaker 10 (38:22):
In my mind.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
Yes, and I don't mind.

Speaker 14 (38:25):
People being called out for it because it's such a
horrible thing.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, I'm with you, Yeah, Robert, you're right, Robert. And
he's absolutely right on that one. I'll agree with him
on that, Okay. And you know, you know, I say,
and there are a lot of public officials out there,
Bill Clinton, number one, how do you trust him? You
can't trust me?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
I think, Yeah, you're when you're you're sworn into office,
there's a fidelity to the office.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
And fidelity to take hire to your.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Wife and the mother of your children and your kids.
That there's a fidelity there as.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Well to the phones. We go Let's go to Chris
roy tonight here on the rod In Greg Show. Go ahead, Chris,
thanks for joining.

Speaker 10 (38:59):
Us, Thanks for taking my call. I'm so First of all,
I think, like in the Bible, all things in moderation.
But I've got two points that.

Speaker 12 (39:11):
Kind of.

Speaker 10 (39:14):
Are are pro shaming. And one it's not my idea,
but Tim Pole on his show, he always talks about
gang members and.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
Shadow If you want to cure that, you.

Speaker 10 (39:26):
Don't give them prison sentences. You make him walk around
in a diaper and a pacifier, and the crime rate
would go down significantly, almost overnight. That was one. But
the other example my son when he was about eight,
We got him on meds for ADHD and it gave

(39:47):
him a tip and he would about one hundred and
fifty to three hundred times a day he would snort
because it made him feel like there was something in
the back of his throat. So he would always snorting
and we couldn't get that figured out. When when when
we went back to the doctor, the doctors like ultimately
he says he will change because the kids will start

(40:10):
to make fun of him, and that shaming will actually
correct behavior, and so as long as the shaming is
being used to correct behavior, it can be healthy and
will better our society because if you are afraid of
being shamed, you won't commit adultery or whatever else we're

(40:31):
shaming people for, because at least it's going to reduce
it as much as prison sentences for people. Because like abortion,
even though you ban it, it's never gonna.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Get rid of it.

Speaker 10 (40:43):
It will always there. We can reduce it.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Chris, real quick, has your son changed? Did it help
your son?

Speaker 9 (40:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (40:51):
I did.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
He had about three or four months later.

Speaker 10 (40:56):
Kind of got over that. We did change meds, which
got rid of it totally. Now he's he just graduated
from high school and he's off his meds. Thank god.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Well, good for him, Good for him.

Speaker 10 (41:06):
Yeah, that was our goal.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
All right, Chris, thank you, thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 13 (41:11):
Good.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
I like how you rolled that out. I think that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Take ye eighty eight five seven o eight zero one
zero on your talk back line. We'll get more of
your calls and comments coming up as well.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I'm putting that in my column. By the way, he
agrees with me.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
It's all right. More coming up on the rod and
Greg Show. I think they don't take into account the
hurt that has been caused by the relatives of this
couple and the children especially.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, that's on the dummies that did it. Sorry, Hey,
we have we have Adam. We have to get that
in our listener and Adam, Welcome to the Rod and
Greg Show. You've been waiting a long time. Thank you
for holding. What's your take?

Speaker 9 (41:48):
Well, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Hey, Rod and Greg.

Speaker 9 (41:51):
I've been listening to your different perspectives and I had
a couple of points I wanted to make just regarding
the idea of shame. It's that pain when you've got
recognition and remorse for inappropriate or unacceptable behavior. And I
think that there's really the idea of imposed consequences versus

(42:15):
natural consequences. And I think Greg, that's what you were
talking about earlier. It's not the same thing when you've
got the boy wearing a sandwich blacker that his mom
put on, and that's an imposed consequence that you go
back to the peer putting people in stocks, you know,
to to discourage that behavior. For that individual and for others.
I think that's an imposed consequence, and you've got to

(42:38):
be careful of imposed consequences. You look at how the
left was imposing consequences to help shape behaviors and ideas
for things that you know, we really trying to change
our perspective.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Of what was right and wrong.

Speaker 9 (42:53):
But a natural consequence is you know, when somebody does
something and they shame themselves, they do it to themselves,
and that's not imposed by anybody else. And I think
that's what you were saying, greg Is. And when I
was a kid, you know, we had Aesop's fables to
help make points so that we're we're going, oh, I
don't want that to happen to me. And I think

(43:15):
when when you have social media showing the natural consequence
of somebody, you know, doing something to themselves, it's like
it's like one of these fables. Oh, I don't want
that to happen to me. There's a lesson to be
learned here. And and I think that when Sony does
it to himself, there's going to be pain. No matter

(43:37):
what should should we you know, not look at that
to spare the innocent there that's going to come back.
You can't avoid that they did that. It's not us
as posing a consequence.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, it's on those it's on those adults that did that. I, Adam,
you said it better than I I. That's exactly that was.
Did you hear that? Rod Adam, Adam, Adam.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I think Adam made some very very good points.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well that's my points. So I made some very very
good points.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
No, Adam did not.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I made my point.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Thank you, Adam, thank you. I'm not giving you credit
for those comings. That's Adam.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
He put it over the fences. A home run.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Judy and Sunset. Let's hear what Judy has to say
tonight here on the Roden Greg Show. Hi Judy, how
are you.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Youngsters?

Speaker 6 (44:24):
Hey, I.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Love me called a youngster. You can call me a
youngster anytime. Thank you.

Speaker 13 (44:32):
You've done right.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
So anyway, real quick. When he's forty six now, but
when he was in ninth grade, he would not bring
me his report card. And you know why, Anna, every
day I'd ask him for it, and he had some
kind of excuse, and I about a week, week and
a half goes by, and I finally told him, I says,
if you do not bring me your report card, you
will be sorry. And my kids tell me well enough

(44:53):
that he should have taken me to heart. He didn't
bring it home. So the next day I went to
the school and I went into the office and I
asked the gal in the office. I says, can you
do me a favor? She said what?

Speaker 10 (45:04):
And I told her.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
And she goes, She got this huge grin on her face.
She goes, Oh, my gosh, I wish more parents were
like you. She goes. I says, I want to get
on the intercom, and she goes, well, let's wait till
this school bell rings, so they're changing classes, so everybody'll hear. Okay,
So she's.

Speaker 10 (45:21):
In on it.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
The bell rang, and I get on the intercom and
I won't say this last name, but I said, Joey,
your mommy's here. I said, Joey, your mommy's in the
office waiting for you. Please come down, and I swear
to you on a bible. You could hear a stampede
of feet all over the place, and they all come

(45:44):
running down to the office. And here comes my son
and all his friends and a million others are surrounding him,
patting him on the back and laughing, you're in trouble,
and he's green.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Why is sound?

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I am ahead. I am all for shaming children.

Speaker 13 (46:05):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I bet you you got every report card. I bet
you was still wet. They can't even dried on that
report card before you got a fresh copy of it
after that.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Really, he didn't even get him printed before he say,
let me tell you what they are. Yeah, that's my darling,
beautiful sun story, and people to this day remind him
of it to this do you remember when your mom
and then I just want then, I just want to
remind you.

Speaker 13 (46:35):
I'm the cupcake girls that your.

Speaker 10 (46:38):
How was you?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
I thought it was you. We're going to do this Friday.
Were this Friday you had a listener say that we
should get on X and do a video. We're doing
your treat.

Speaker 11 (46:46):
We're doing it.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, if you don't know Judy cold in yesterday, we're
talking about snacks, right, take post his cupcake, take off
the top off, open and half puts potato chips in
between it, bring it together like a sandwich is.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Then and then chases it with more petent chips. Yeah, no,
this is We're gonna do this Friday. I can't wait.
We're we're going to try this all right, Eray's gonna
do it too. Some of your talkback comments coming up
on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one
O five nine KNRS. I would say a little bit
of public shaming.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
You think it's good? Aokay, yeah, for this couple is
good because it brings to light an issue that you
think a lot of people are opposed to.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
And what I love about going to the CAUs is
our listeners are articulating it better than I could. If
it's organic, if it's if it's the consequence of the behavior,
not something that you proactive and trying to go out
and do yourself. I think that's kind of that explains
my position or the position I think a lot better.
So we have some talk.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, we have a talk. You can call us eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero cell phone
dial pound two fifty and say hey Rod or on
our talk back line. You go to our website. You'll
see a little little red button up in the corner,
looks like a microphone. Tapp it and you can leave
a message. Here's one comment from one of our talkback listeners.

Speaker 12 (48:02):
Hey guys, I'm the shaming. I'm thinking maybe you know,
if it's something that happens in public or affects the public,
that maybe public shaming isn't the background, whereas if it's
something that's more private that can be dealt with, you know,
in your own home, like with the kids. Uh, that's

(48:23):
where you take care of those issues.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I don't know, interesting coming basically saying what you've been saying. Right,
there's another talkback listener.

Speaker 15 (48:33):
Not a problem to publicly shame these people. They went
out in public and put themselves out in public.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
And that was their choice.

Speaker 10 (48:43):
It's on them.

Speaker 15 (48:45):
A parent putting a sandwich board on a kid and
putting the kid out of public, that's the parent coursing
the kid go out in public. It's not about the shaming.
It's whether you yourself made a choice to you out
in public?

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Did okay? And they did? They were out in public
all right?

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (49:03):
And they go for cover the.

Speaker 16 (49:05):
Greg this offer from Fountain Green again, I am with
Greg on this one. I think me and him are
both in the mega camp, which is make embarrassment and
great Again. If you don't like the consequences, then don't
be the actions. You know, my mother always told me
actions have consequences and if you don't like them, well
and don't do it.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
And these two, you know, with the kiss camp. They
are literally the epitome of.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
F A f O Mega make embarrassment great again.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
A men, brother, I'm telling you. So we have mega
and now we have Mega mega.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I'm on the Mega side, I think. And again, it's
their own behavior, nothing that you created or force. It's
just if they want to act like if you dance
with the devil, you're gonna get burned, okay. And I
think I just think that that's that's okay, I'm all
right with it.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Sleep with the dogs, you get the fleas, that's right,
that's for sure. Well, the public shaming, I you know,
I bring in the human factor.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Oh, here we go.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
And the human factor, of course, is the impact I
have it.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Let me ask you, why do you have a greater
responsibility for those kids and their parents? Why is that
more you're worry than theirs?

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Good question. Yeah, maybe I'm a human being.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Maybe maybe you shouldn't worry about human being. Maybe the consequences.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
I worry about what happened. POS worry about what happened. Oh, police, kids. Look,
I mean, I don't want anything bad many kids.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
But it's not on us, it's not on you. It's
it's the it's the behavior and it's the parents that
have to be responsible for that.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I don't know what age their children are. My guess
is they're probably late teens, maybe in there, maybe in
their college. You're a little bit older, you do. But
when they're at that young age still, Greg, I think
it does have an impact on them. And I that's
where I feel sorry for.

Speaker 10 (50:47):
You.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
You don't know, you don't we you don't say, well,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I'm just I'm just gonna say, mega, mega.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Megan embarrass been great again.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yes, that's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. I'm
immovable in this position. You're not going to change.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, And I go back, what did what did it accomplish?
It embarrassed these people, It embarrassed the family. Is it
going to stop people from having affairs on each other?

Speaker 16 (51:09):
No?

Speaker 1 (51:10):
So what was the intent?

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Right before we go to the break? I hate to
change the subject. It's just to bizarre breaking news. Famous lawyer,
I kid you not, famous lawyer who represented Jeffrey Epstein,
I shouldn't laugh, is now dead. Yeah. Roy Black was
one of Jeffrey Epstein's criminal defense attorneys when he was
charged with federal sex trafficking charges. Palm Beach County State
Attorney Very Chrisher allowed the notorious sex trafficker to plead

(51:35):
to a misdemeanor charge after allegations of rapeful with under
edged girls. That lawyer is now passed.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
He's not with us Black all right. When we come back,
we're going to talk about the battle over the selling
of public lands? Do you talk not over yet? Coming up?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Joining us on the program right now. This is a
great article that came out. It's the High The headline
is a widespread backlash killed Mike. He's planned to sell
public lands. Utah state leaders are undeterred.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Good.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yes, Joining us is Reg Johnson. He's the director of
the Utah Public Lands Policy Coordinating Office, works directly for
the governor. Joining us on the show, Reg, thanks for
joining us. Look, whether you talk about the Sagebrush Rebellion
back in the eighties, Ronald Reagan said he was part
of the Sagebrush Rebellion. Up till today, this state has

(52:24):
been a second class state when it comes to most
of it being owned and controlled by the federal government.
I'm glad to see that we're not giving up on this,
and we'd like to be a state just like the others,
especially east of the Mississippi. What is it that you
plan to do to help Utah become a state like
the rest of the United States.

Speaker 7 (52:41):
Thanks for the question. You know, most people east of
the Mississippi have no idea that some of the states
out here are like Utah. Sixty six two thirds of
our state is public lands owned by the federal government.
Nevada is in even worse shape, and that creates some
real problems when it comes to taxes for some of

(53:03):
these rural counties. Some counties like Wayne County and Kinge County,
they're ninety five plus percent public lands, so there's very
little tax base, which makes it hard for funding schools
and those other things. So yeah, we're definitely interested in
making sure that these lands are managed and that these
rural counties especially have opportunities for economic development. Now, are

(53:27):
we talking about selling all those public lands. No, that's
not what we're talking about. What we're talking about is
better management of those public lands so that the wildfire
risk is reduced. We have economic opportunities when it comes
to grazing, recreation, mining, timber development. You know, all these

(53:48):
wildfires that we're seeing now, duel loads, etc. Why aren't
we harvesting some of that timber instead of watching it
all go up in smoke. So we want equal opportunity,
But that doesn't mean that we're looking to sell all
of our public lands, which has been the message to
some of these special interest groups have been pushing out.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
As Great just pointed out, we've been involved in this
battle for a long time, going even back to the
Stage Brush rebellion. Are the odds are more in favor
for us at this point than maybe any other time
during this And if so, why.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
Well, I'd say that probably better odds than they were
at least since Reagane. And you know, I think we
have the Supreme Court that's favorable to looking at some
of these issues as far as the equal standing with
other states, and we have a present that's interested in

(54:44):
looking at some of these lands. And you know, and
I want to jump back a little bit to the
sale of some of these lands. You know, we have
made an effort, like Mike Lee's effort recently, we have
done an analysis here at our.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Office, and you know, the.

Speaker 7 (55:01):
Wilderness Society came out with the map that was eighteen
and a half million acres of Utah's for sale. Our
analysis here at our public Lands office is seven thousand
acres is what we're actually looking at. So the myth
information out there around what we're looking at for affordable
housing in some of these rural communities, it's just crazy

(55:21):
because we're not looking at selling off, you know, vast lands.
We're looking at selling some of these vacant lots inside
city limits.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Rech explain to our listeners because you say it so
well in this article public lands, you're talking where people recreate.
You have no interest in paving this over. Talk about
what the role of where Utah's recreator people come to
Utah to recreate. What do you how do you see
that staying the way it is? And then I guess
the second part of that question is this patchwork these
islands inside of counties and cities that people don't realize

(55:52):
or federal land which become a mess. So I guess,
what's the role of public lands in your mind as
a leader in the state and what about this patch
work work of federal land that's inside of incorporated cities
and counties.

Speaker 7 (56:05):
Thanks for the question. Let me take the second part first,
So public lands inside city limits really, like I said before,
they're vacant lots. There's about twenty two acres down in
Saratoga Springs. It's just a vacant lot, almost completely surrounded
by houses. Now, there's an entire block in Richfield in

(56:27):
central Utah that's being used by the Forest Service that's
not vacant. They use it to store like machinery and stuff.
But why can't we use another for service parcel for
that and put housing that is completely surrounded by housing
there in Richfield. So there's forty acres right off of
the interchange in Biab. So those are the parcels that

(56:48):
we were interested in under the LEAs language and under
Representative Malloy's attemps. So that's where we're talking about. There
are islands like that that really makes sense that we
use them for housing or maybe for parks or other
amenities for our local communities. When it comes to what

(57:09):
we think of when we say public lands, those are
national forests, our national parks, our blm lands where we
hunt and recreate and do dispersed camping and mountain biking
and all those things. We are absolutely not interested in
seeing those paved over or developed or anything. The state
spends literally millions of dollars a year protecting access to

(57:33):
our public lands and spending money on watershed restoration to
make sure our watersheds are in better shape. The state's
actually spending money on federal lands to make them better
for our public So there's no way that we're going
to go out and sell off the public lands where
we recreate and do all those great activities.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Gosh, she and I was thinking, right, you were going
to build a nice, big hotel right under the delegate art.
I mean, that's what I was looking for. Let me
ask you what Let me ask you one final question here.
Senator Lee was unsuccessful, and here's efforts to get through
anything in Congress. Can the administration do more? Or can
they simply take this over and move it in the

(58:15):
direction that you're in favor of? Can that be done
with all this gobbledegook of the courts and the Senate.

Speaker 7 (58:22):
So there are tools that we can use to uh
look at some of these lands for housing, but the
tools take sometimes you know, years and sometimes decades in
order to go through the entire process. Which is what
we were excited about with Senator Leesville is it would
just truncate that process by years. So we will continue

(58:43):
to look at other avenues. We can do land trades
with sittloads, you know, but those require congressional action. So yes,
we'll still continue to look at some of those options
for those isolated island properties. I guess that's that's the
direction we're going on those parcels. But to reiterate, yeah,

(59:03):
we're not building developments on our national parts. We're not
building developments you know, on welderness areas and monuments and
those kinds of things just not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah, you know, I think the odds are improving for
Utah at least I hope there. I mean for him
to point out you've got a lot of federal land
and what were a richfield where there's storing machinery that
could be sold to the state. You build more houses
than richfield.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I think I want to thank Reg Johnson forgoting on
the program. I mean, because I think that you know,
the narrative versus the reality is very different. And there said, look,
when I was a public servant, you learned very early
on in your public service that we have some massive
disadvantages that other states don't have in terms of when
you become front go from a territory to a state,

(59:49):
there's usually a transfer of land that occurs where you
become an actual state. It was like Utah. They hedged
their bet and the federal government kept most of the
state and kept it in federal control and said you
can call yourself state, but we're keeping most of it.
They did that to Nevada too.

Speaker 16 (01:00:04):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
This is something that we that is early on as
I can remember, we've always been arguing to change that,
to be treated like other states.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
And go way way back. Yes, is there anything new, folks?
All right, Mark coming up, Rod and Greg with you
on Talk Radio one O five nine k n r S.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I'll tell you Judy called for a second day. We're
going to do her treat. We're gonna do her jump
food on Friday. We're gonna we're going to try out
the treat.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Are you buying the chips or the cupcakes?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I'll get both. I'm excited. I'm super excited about this.
I'm really this host is cupcakes. Weird combination of host
this cupcake with the peanut with with the potato chips.
I am so down with doing this. I can't wait.
And we're going to record it for our ex page.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
When when I was a struggling college student, yes years ago,
had no money. Yes, you know what we'd eat for
a sandwich? What sardines? Ew Dorito chips between two slices
of bread.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
That's now, that's that is, that's I'd rather starve.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
It's not that bad when you're hungry.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Sardines are just not worth it, never eating?

Speaker 13 (01:01:06):
Yeah that is?

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Do you like?

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
No? Not really, I don't mind. I don't mind the anchovies.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
The Judy call today had the greatest story about her kids,
her kids ability to give her her his report card
in a nano second after she had to go to
certain lengths to get it one time. Which anyway, it's
been a good show, so podcast. If you don't, if
you didn't hear it all, you're not gonna want to
miss this anyway. Our scintillating conversation, that's right that we
had today. All right, a couple of headlines we want

(01:01:34):
to share with you today. The Trump administration has officially
introduced to rule Greg to end Biden's paper straw mandate. Hallelujah,
dumbest idea ever paper strive folks, if you ever used one, oh,
I hate them. They got very quick. It's just so pointless.
It was so dumb. Yeah, you know, we're all plastic

(01:01:57):
because they said you had to quit cutting down trees.
We used to have paper everything, cartons, you know, milk,
We have everything paper. Then all of a sudden they
started making plastic, choking out the dolphins and the whales.
And now we're now we're back to paper.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
They were they were trying this paper straw band was
going to cross the federal government. They said it would
cut weights and reverse the cultural weakness pursued by the
Democrats for years. Sez, it's done, It's done, Okay, Donald Trump.
I don't think Donald Trump likes the UN. Do you
get do you get this? They're freeloaders. I mean they

(01:02:33):
get free rent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yes, they don't pay their share.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
They don't pay anything. Well, he has announced he is
pulling the US out of the United Nations Educational, Scientific
and Cultural Organization otherwise known as UNSCO. Good yep, Good
said it's anti American, anti Israel, and therefore he has
a yanking the plug on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
I do too, Uh, I would just with somebody in
Utah just asked the simple question, why are gasoline prices
so high in this state.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yeah, I'm telling you, I hate I We're seeing prices
that are dropping around this country and I don't I
don't see it here in Utah at all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I think it's I think our prices if I can
go to Colorado doesn't never fineries, it doesn't have oil
and gas, doesn't have all the things infrastructure that we
have in our state. And you go to Colorado and
get cheaper gas.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Something that I paid three sixty one a gallon when
I filled up. That's the the higher level premium, but
even even the mid range is like, what do you
what are you doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Well, I'll just tell you this on my way in,
because I look at this stuff. Gas buddy, it's it's
for the for the low, for.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
The low, regular regular gas.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
It's it's uh, what was it three thirty? Yeah, it's it.
We are not tracking with the rest of the country
and and we're not like the rest of half this
country gets its gasoline from the Gulf of Mexico. We're
getting it from Wyoming. We have a pipeline. There's that
one of these refineries has, one of these oil companies

(01:04:10):
gets the oil from Wyoming and through a pipeline of
two hundred and fifty five mile pipeline goes straight to
the north Salt Lake Refineries. Doesn't even have to put
in a truck, and we can't get gas that's cheaper
than other places. Three thirty nine. Everybody's at three, whether
it's Maverick, you name it, Sinclair, everything's at three thirty
nine around here gas. But he has me in a
regional area. Three thirty nine is the cheapest gas you're

(01:04:33):
gonna find.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
There is a report out the gasoline prices this week
could fall below three dollars a gallon, first time that's
happened in four years.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Not here, not here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
You're not going to see a big, big reduction if
it happens here. And one other note, the a top economist,
his name is Mohammed l Areene basically is saying he's
breaking rake with breaking ranks, I should say with Wall Street.
And he says Jerome Powell should resign fairman of the fit. Yeah,
a lot of pressure on Palell right now that you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
He's supposed to be this he's supposed to be so
sensitive to inflation, Well, he let inflation go up to
what nine percent? With Biden and never touched it, never
never did a thing. They set his transitory, then they
just get they left it alone for the longest time,
and then even cut rates right before the election with
economic signals that didn't look anywhere near as positive as

(01:05:25):
we're seeing now. And he won't touch those rates. And
I I anyway, I think it's all political. I don't
think that he's that he's showing very well right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
No, well, I don't think he is either. All right,
more coming up it is the Rod and Greg Show
with you on this Tuesday and Utah's Talk Radio one
All five nine can arrest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
This is a young gun represented Tyler Klayon. You're my favorite.
Impressed by Yes, I've been impressed. So when I was
back when I was a lawmaker and I was we
were working on this operation, real grand stuff. He worked
with the Pioneer Park Coalition. Young guy right out of BYU.
Sharp kid went back. He's a police officer with Provo Police.
Now he ran for the legislature in an open seat

(01:06:06):
and and did all you have to do make your
case to the to the delegates and the voters. And
he's he's been in now for I think at three
three sessions. This is a second term, but doing good things.
He's always he's always looking out for the average, every
everyday person. That's that's kind of his thing. And I've
enjoyed getting to know him and enjoy having him on

(01:06:28):
the program right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah, Well, he along with others have now formed a
Utah coalition, whether unleash unleash Utah, it is a coalition
which tries to put Utah or is going to attempt
to put Utah at the forefront of energy development. Greg
And like you have said before, and a lot of
a lot of these public lands that are tied up
right now. There's some very critical minerals there that we have,

(01:06:50):
but we can't get access to them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
We are so we are so natural resources rich, and
there's been this big push environmentally and everything else to
try and get away from all those things. These are
some of our greatest assets and the economic future of
the country, but really of Utah. So good to see
that they're coalescing around this idea that we need to
be able to access our energy resources in the state.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yeah, it's well. State Representative Tyler Clancy joining us right
now on any of our news Banker line. Representative thank
you for joining us. Why is this Unleash Energy or
Unleash Utah coalition right now so important in your.

Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
Opinion, Well, that's a great question. I think the number
one thing is it's about competitiveness on the global scale
when you look at things like semiconductors, when you look
at the critical minerals needed to really propel us into
the next century, whether it's defense or tech. Utah is
pretty unique in the sense that we have access to

(01:07:46):
those critical minerals right here in our home state. So
we're launching this coalition to make sure that Utah is
leading the way that we're not seeding our industrial base,
we're not seeding our energy production to people that are
are our geopolitical foes, and so it's it's pretty simple,
but there's a broad coalition and we're excited to see

(01:08:06):
where it leads.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
You know, I recognized and I love the editorial because
what it says to me is that you're these stakeholders
you're bringing together, are public servants, they're business leaders, those
that want us to be which we all I think
want to be good stewards of the land. So I
think it's a great coalition and something that should be done.
Let me ask you this a representative. You list a
number of things, the rare minerals, you know, they're nuclear.

(01:08:31):
There's a lot of good energy potential out there. What
about clean coal, because it is it is clean here,
high low carbon high b TU coal here in Utah.
And natural gas. We have such great reserves of natural gas.
Are these energy sources on the table with your coalition?

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
One percent?

Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
And I'll tell you two things that you know. When
President Biden canceled the Keystone XL pipeline on day one,
we saw that there was not an reduced demand for oil.
We just shipped it in from Russia via boat and
then we drove it across the border. And so we
have to do it here. As you mentioned, we can

(01:09:12):
do it so much better, not just for the environmental aspect,
but also ethically right when we're doing when we're getting
these things from our foes like Russia or the Communist
Party of China, they do not have the same labor
standards that we have. They're not paying people good wages.
And these are good jobs that have dignity that you

(01:09:34):
can put a roof over your head and feed your
family on. And those are the jobs that we need
to bring to Utah, and so absolutely when we say
all the above, you know we really mean it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
How would you describe or give us an update on
the status of our race with China when it comes
to these critical minerals? Are we anywhere close to them?
Are they way ahead of us? What is the status
of the race between US and China on these important
energy issues?

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
And such a good question. And you know there's going
to be a natural disparity when you look at we
just passed permitting reform. It was house built eighty five
to give industry more clarity about what THEEQ and our
regulatory framework expects from our industry. Well, in China they

(01:10:22):
have no regulations, right, they can go blue in a river,
and so to some extent, we're never going to be
move at to speed. But I think we can do
it sustainably. Right, we can build a supply chain that
when another COVID type pandemic or an event like that happens,
we're not reliant on ninety three percent of our pharmaceutical

(01:10:42):
drugs coming from a country that you know, in its charter,
essentially in its strategic plan, it talks about overthrowing the
United States So those are the kinds of things I
think we can do. I think AI adds a unique
element to this. The United States. We bring the best
and brightest minds from all over the world to really
be a hub for innovation. And so I'm excited to

(01:11:04):
see too what that leads as well. I don't I
don't have a crystal ball. I can't really see, you know,
even ten years with the type of growth that AI
and these different technologies are happening. But I can tell
you that we want to lead the way in Utah
and be fertile soil for for what's what's next?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
You know, I have to laugh. AI has actually it's
dawned on everybody that there needs to be so much
more power. The grid as we have it now can
even accommodate for the demands that AI would requires that
as that steps up, so you have some of the
people that have been leftists who wanted to decrease our
power generation UH actually become advocates for nuclear and other

(01:11:41):
and other sources. So everybody seems to be coming along
and getting on on on the same page. We in
Utah used to mind uranium. We have rare minerals, we
have we have a mind that just was discovered in
Wyoming that's getting a lot of attention. Uh, it was
expedited federally, so they can start to mind there in
Wyoming rare minerals. What do we do about Grand County
where you have Moab, you have rare minerals there. They've

(01:12:03):
been mined in that county before. I'm sure there's other
counties where it's the same. Do you see a future
Do you see a trajectory where we're going to be
able to mine uranium, which is incredibly important and other
other rare minerals. Is that on the horizon for Utah?

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
Absolutely? And I think when you look at the nuclear
being part of our solutions here in Utah, that it
makes sense to do it right here domestically. I think
one of the same that President Trump has talked about
when it comes to mining is we've also got to
build a pipeline to the workforce. And I think so
as we look at this, when we're targeting these energy

(01:12:41):
you know, sectors like nuclear or what it takes to
get there and mining in these different enrichment processes, we
also need to look downstream at what do we need
to do with the workforce, right, Mike Rowe you know
who had to show dirty job. Yes, he's been going
across the country right now talking about this, that these

(01:13:02):
are the kinds of jobs that can that can lift
a family out of intergenerational poverty with skilled wages. I
talked to an apprenticeship provider just two months ago, and
I was they were talking about cranes and operators, things
that you would need on a job site like that.
He said, our apprenticeship program is full, but the amount

(01:13:25):
of jobs that the demand is for, we're still looking
outside of the state to fill them right here and
right now. So you can only imagine if we five
x that or can ex that in the next decade
or two, that we're going to need to make sure
that our secondary education, we're teaching our youth that it's
okay to work with your hands. There's dignity in working

(01:13:46):
hard and you know, doing labor to put food on
the table. And that's something I think too that's got
to go hand in hand with.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
This representative, with this coalition, this emerging coalition that you're
write about. What will success look like you when do
you say we've succeeded in what our goal.

Speaker 6 (01:14:03):
Is well, you you alluded to this earlier, Rob when
you when you talked about the grid. Energy is wealth.
An abundance of energy will make us a prosperous state
and a prosperous country. So we don't want to find ourselves.
I think it's easier to identify what failure looks like,

(01:14:25):
you knows as you as you mentioned, But I think
what a success look like is we want to We
want to as we continue to grow, as we continue
to have young people grow up and you know, uh
buy houses and things. When we're flipping on the light switch,
you're not You're not worried about rolling blackouts like you're
seeing in Europe where they've had this stagnant, very de

(01:14:47):
growth type mindset. We want to be abundant in energy,
which means good jobs, which means dignity for families, and
it also means safety when there's natural disasters, when there's terror,
and our grid is secure, and those are the kinds
of things that we're looking at. So while it's easier
to identify what we don't want to be like, I

(01:15:08):
think that's going to be part of this coalition's mission
is to tap into that and say, what do we
want Uta to look like in fifty years, in one
hundred years, what would success when it comes to our
energy grid really look like?

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Stay Where've send to Tyler Clancy joining us on our
newsmaker line. I love the thank Greg that Utah is
trying to be aggressive in energy development. I mean, I
I just love it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Yeah. It's it's we have so much and whether it's oil, gas,
clean coal, rare minerals, even even uranium. I we can
we can mine all these things. We can do all
these things and do it profitably. But it's also a
national security is shoe and Utah is at the epicenter
of it. If we can get over all the bureaucratic
curdlrure and we've got the young people. You know, there's

(01:15:54):
a lot of states that are aging out and you
could bring all the businesses you want to Wisconsin. And
I used to talk to someone there to want Yeah.
I used to talk to the Speaker of the House
there when I was speaker, and he'd say, I could
bring all the business world. I don't have the emerging
work force, do it? We have that in Utah. We
still have young people.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
We do as you get older, does uh does it
seem like life is going by a little bit faster. Yes,
there's there's a reason why, and we'll explain that coming
up on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine kN R s why Maverick
Will Never Go away?

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Music to my ears.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
I saw this story. I said, this is the story
for Wingman Wednesday, and Hughes will love this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
That line when he says, you're you're kinder over. You know, Maverick,
You're gonna be done. Maybe not today today. I want
to hear this guy tomorrow tell us never let we
want Maverick people. It's a woman's woman.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
She's she's a military expert. Okay, she's gonna tell us
why Maverick will never go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
This goes back to the first Top Gun where she was,
where Kelly McGillis was the was the military expert. This
is great.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
She was nuclear export or something.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
She was that she was. It was about the plane,
the studying, the meg. I know this whole I know
the whole story life.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
You probably know every line in that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
I do both Top Gun and Maverick.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Now, I was talking earlier about does it seem like
the world is going a little bit faster it does,
it does does that, And the older you get, the
faster it seems to go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Well, you heard my theory off the line. Why it's
because you know, ten years is only twenty percent of mine.
You consider your life now half over easily. I'm not
going to live as long as I've lived. I'm on
the back nine. I'm on the back nine. I don't
know what hole. I'm on the back nine.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
I'm to the country clip.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
You're not going to be You're you're re rounding. Okay,
I don't even know how you're still on the course.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Well, scientists announced that today may be the shortest day
in our lives. What do you mean breaking to mark
that was set two weeks ago. That's because Earth's rotation
has continued to pick up speed and it's expect did
to spend even faster than it did on July ninth.
So we're going faster the Earth is spinning.

Speaker 17 (01:18:06):
Therefore, what kind of time or I don't know I'm
talking about it here that they you don't when everyone
on the planet experienced today, that was one point three
millisecond shorter than normal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
So see, yeah, that's I don't believe. I'm just saying,
here's the thing. When you're just saying, ten years when
you're twenty years old is half your life. Yeah, when
you're fifty, twenty years and ten years is twenty percent
of your life. So the longer you live, these years
in comparison becomes shorter and shorter. That's why it's going faster.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Well, Donald Trump a couple of weeks ago jumped the
gun a little bit when he announced that Coca Cola
was changing the cane sugar. Oh he did, yeah, because
the company went, whoa, whoa, whoa, mister President, right to
do that. Yet, well, guess what today They announced that
come this fall, they will launch a brand new Coca
Cola with cane sugar in it, coming this fall.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Well, will it be its own branner?

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
All I know, it would be its own brand, a
new brand. You don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
I want all the Coca Cola to be sugar really, yeah,
like like Mexico's Mexico had. All Coca Cola in Mexico
is sugarcane.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Well that's what Coca Cola announced today. He kind of
pushed them a little bit. Oh one other thing, Costco. Yeah,
you go to Costco very often Queen Bee does. Queen
Bee does. I like going to Costco maybe on a
Saturday here and there. It's kind of fun. You're crazy,
but I like people and I like crafts, unlike you.

(01:19:31):
But they announced and it's a big deal for them.
They are eliminating their pepsi products and putting coca products
into their food court.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Yeah, Queen Bee's gonna love that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
We might really big diet coke things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Not well, she loves coke. She doesn't. She's not a
pepsi person. But this might actually impact our household income
because she might go to a Costco a lot more.
I've always maintained that the fifty pounds drum of peanut
butter is a false economy. I just don't. I don't buy.
I think the buying and bulk is a bit of it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
You don't like buying and both.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
I think it's a scamp. But I who might get
more of it? It's this coke at Costco?

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Can you get out of Costco's not spending three hundred dollars?
I don't think no head up, shoulders back. My God,
bless you and your family. There's great country of ours.
We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 9 (01:20:13):
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