The Rod and Greg Show: Utah Senate President Stuart Adams on Trump's Homelessness Executive Order

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, it is great to be with you today.
We have, man if, we got a lot to talk
about today. It seems like every day he just gets
stacked up more and more news to talk about. So
we're gonna we're gonna dive into it today and see
what we can do to keep our great listeners informed.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, there is plenty to inform them on. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, there's a lot going on.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Now.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
We're gonna talk here in a little bit about minerals
and permitting. H We've got to get the US energy
industry up and going. I think Donald Trump is doing
a good job, but there's a long way to go.
So we'll do that. President Stewart Adams, president of the
Utah Senate, will be joining us coming up at the
bottom of the hour. He'll talk about the governor's push

(00:40):
to have the state of Utah comply with the President's
order on homelessness and get some things done down here.
This is a problem, Carolyn, that plagues every city in America.
We've tried. I don't know what it's going to take
to solve it. I really don't.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, I say we could go back to some of
the ways that we used to solve it that actually
works that much be able.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
What a novel idea.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
And right now the money, especially pre this order, I
hope we see a big change has been flowing to
programs that are proven ineffective in many ways. And that's
that policy is set at a federal level to a
great degree.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's true. So much attention has been devoted when the
president first came into office to doge and what Elon
Musk was doing taking a look at these NGOs money
that I've accounted for, Well, guess what we found out.
It may have been happening in our own state and
nobody had any supervision on this, and millions of dollars
who's being spent? Carolyn, we'll dig into that. This is
quite a story that people need to know about it.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yes, absolutely, we like to think that we're immune from
a lot of these types of problems and the big
bureaucratic morass that is Washington, d C. But if we're
not diligent, you know, free money is free money, and
humans are humans, and the problems will repeat themselves if
we don't ensure that there's appropriate oversight.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, and we'll dig into that. The state auditor will
join this give us details of their report, and also
Steve more economist Steve Moore going to join us a
little bit later on in the show. Today he'll talk
about the GDP, the great report that came out yesterday.
He said good but not great, and he'll explain what
he means by that. So we've got a lot to
get to today. As always, we invite you to be
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talk about this story that everybody's talking about today. Is
this Delta jet Carolyn that just nosedived with turbulence and

(03:52):
throwing passengers all over the place.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Inside this Yeah, I would have thought I was dying.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Have you ever had one of those experiences?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
And I feel like I've flown quite a bit in
my life, and no, I never have, And I think
that would that would concern me a little bit. Yeah,
And it sounds like they flew for an hour after this.
How many feet did it drop?

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Twenty some fifteen hundred feet, oh, fifteen hundred feet. But
it was in a nose diive type. And this was
from what I've read so far and have discovered about this.
The flight attendants were right in the middle of serving drinks,
oh okay, and serving snacks whatever you get on a
plane anymore, and all of a sudden and everything, I mean,

(04:35):
people were flying all over the place. The plane was
a mess. There were a number of people that injured.
Twenty five people were injured and taken to the hospital.
Talk about a scary.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Situation, really scary. And then to have to remain on
that plane, and that drop was in a really short
period of time. Yeah, eighty five seconds, yeah, eighty five seconds.
And then to have to remain on that plane for
another hour, I think I'd be a little concerned.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
And then to get back on a plane today and
continue to your Destinay, it's true, I mean, I mean
they were flying from Salt Lake City to Amsterdam. They'd
taken off, everything appeared to be okay, and then about
an hour outside of Minneapolis, they hit some turbulence and
it just dove that plane down.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I would have concerns. And I got to tell you,
I'm sure this isn't popular widely to say, but I
do think this audience probably hopefully will be there with
me on it. I want a good look at my
pilot when I get on a plane, and I want
a man.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
You want a man.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I want a man because I know he had to
be so much better to get there.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Oh, you're going to cause problems. I'm sure those women
pilots are not going to like you.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I know, Hey, if there's a woman pilot who's really good.
Here's the problem all of these standards. When you give
favoritism to different groups, you make us distrust even the
good people in those.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
That's truth, that's true, right, Yeah, good points.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
So that's the problem that we have now.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, I don't know. I've had you know, we've all
been bumped around a little bit on a plane, maybe
some more severe than others. I remember this was years
and years ago. We were taking our we had two
of our children at the time, they were very young.
We were going back to upstate New York to be
with my family, and we were coming into Chicago and

(06:16):
as soon as we touched down. It was a hard touchdown.
I mean, and it's so hard it knocked the oxygen
masks oh out of the holders that they're in. And
the flight attendant came on and said, basically, you know,
grab these masks, you'll need them here in a second.
And you know, but then like ten seconds later, never mind,
everything is okay, We're all what And that was the

(06:37):
scariest experience I think we've ever had.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Now.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
I had a daughter in law coming back from southern
California about a year ago. She was on a flight
and she said it scared the daylights out of her
because they were getting bounced all over the place. She said,
the whole flight felt like we were bounced all over
the place. So who knows? That? These are scary things?
And I wonder how turbulence could force a plane down
like that in a deep dive for eighty five seconds,

(07:02):
dropping fifteen hundred feet.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Can I just say that these things have been happening
for a long time, and I we've had we've been
flying for a long time. Yes, what has changed? Yeah,
it's the people we're elevating to positions.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Sorry, you just had to say that.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I just had to say it.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Speaking of people who've been elevated to certain positions, are
lovely mayor not our mayor? No, no, she's not our mayor.
I've got a great mayor up there in Cageville. But
the mayor has now, yeah, we're if you're unaware, there
was a fire last Friday day in Mill Creek. Yes,
and it was on city on property that the city

(07:40):
decided not to.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Take care of Salt Lake City owned in Mill Creek.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
In Mill Creek, Yeah, yeah, they decided not to take
care of it, didn't cut the grass, caught fire, damaged
some homes, what twenty four apartment units? Right, And the
mayor says, well, we have got to find out what's
going on. So they've ordered an audit.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Of course, of course. But here's the problem. I I think,
you know, taking care of the property that you own
and control is pretty basic. And I was reading an
article today and they said Mill Creek has been concerned
over time they've had to send these notices to Salt
Lake City and they don't want to do that to
another municipality, but they're being put in this position because

(08:17):
of incompetence, right, And the mayor came out and said, well,
we have people there almost every day, and the reports
are that it had been mowed down one other time
this year. If you've done that in your yard, how
would that go over with your neighbors?

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Not well, and you probably get a fine.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Of course you would get the mayor's in my neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
You probably would. Well, here's what's going to happen. She's
ordered an audit. They'll get the audit, she'll set up
a commission to study the audit, and then they'll do
something of that. By they attempt to get around on it,
there'll be five six years down the road.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's the way Salt Lake City government works. All Right,
We've got a lot to get to today here on
the Rotting Greg Show, Carolyn Fipp and filling in. One
of the main themes of Donald Trump returned to the
White House last year was to restore American energy and
American energy dominance, and we're seeing a number of steps
that are taking place around the country to do just that. Well,

(09:11):
what about minerals and the permitting for better energy? Are
we making progress there? Joining us on our any Hour
Newsmaker line right now is Jeremy Harrel He is the
CEO of Clear Path. He wrote about this a few
days ago in Real Clear Energy. Jeremy, how are you?
And welcome to the Rod and Great Show with Carolyn
filling In today. How are you, Jeremy?

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Good good, Thank you guys for having me on. It's
a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Jeremy. Talk about your article where you talked about American
energy needing more minerals and better permitting. What did you
mean by that? What are you hoping to achieve?

Speaker 6 (09:45):
Ck A Clear Path is a conservative energy advocts, the
organization that's focused on scaling up energy innovations, improved reglatory environment,
and the US leading the world in energy production. And
so we think about US energy leadership kind of soup
to nuts. So everything down to the minerals you have
to pull out of the ground and to ultimately build
some of these things, the innovations and technology to bring

(10:08):
to a commercial marketplace, and then the regulatory environment that's
necessary to scale them quickly. And unfortunately we've seen over
the last twenty years the regulatory system in the US
become completely unworkable. It is broken, and it's unpredictable, and
that unpredictability is limiting our ability to control our energy independence,
limiting our economic viability and I think, frankly, is a

(10:31):
threat to our national security and our global competitiveness.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, you know, it's clear, Jeremy, that leading into the future,
whether it's AI or just the basics that will be
needed for economic growth and production necessary in all of
the In all of that is energy production. And as
you pointed out, we have been falling behind over the
past couple decades. So what do you think the US

(10:56):
can do in order to be up to where we
need to be in order to lead the or the
AI race and in order to continue growing as we
historically had been that I think has in many ways
slowed down in recent years.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
We have to let America build. It takes longer or
it is easier to get a college degree in this
country than it is to get a federal permit for
projects like a copper mind for a large infrastructure project,
for a big power plant project. And we have to
change that. And so we need to shift and work

(11:36):
with the private sector to enable this build out because
if we can't speed this long, we will lose in
the global competition with China. The AI race is a
direct race with China and energy is the long pole
and the tent to rapidly.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Building out the infrastructure necessary to lead.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
You mentioned copper in your story, Jeremy, we have a
pretty good sized hole in the ground here in Utah,
the Bingham copper mind. I mean, where does where does
the US need to go when it comes to copper,
which is such a critical mineral. Right now, we've got
other countries who are leading. What else do we need
to do when it comes to copper?

Speaker 6 (12:13):
Yep, Copper is a perfect example of an area where
we need to take control of our own destiny. We
expect copper demand to double by twenty thirty, so in
a pretty short period of time. We have immense resources
in this country there in Utah included, and Utah has
one of the largest copper salting and refining facilities in

(12:34):
the country, operated there by Rio Tinto and the Salt
Lake City area. We've got to unlock more of that
production here in this country and make it easier to
drive private sector finance, because in the end, this is
a global commodity competing in the global marketplace, and China
a world leader in copper smelting. We're dangerously reliant on
China for copper refining. So we need to take measures

(12:55):
into our own hands, remove some of the regulatory barriers
that allow us to build out the semi structure and
ultimately enable states like Utah to lead and produce the
copper necessary for everything from our cell phones to the
power lines. We need to build out that infrastructure for
the AI race.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah. So, Jeremy, you point out that federal permitting has
been what has held up a lot of development for
energy production and mineral production over the past few years.
There are a lot of projects that are held up
as a result of that permitting process. And I'll tell
you it's hard for workers and communities to plan for

(13:33):
the future when there are these long delays, and also
when there's fear that the next president who comes in
can undo everything that they've done in beginning to expand. So,
how do we ensure that these projects that may begin
under this presidency continue no matter who gets elected in

(13:53):
three and a half years.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
It requires bipartisan permit reform arm and unfortunately, the Utah
Delegation is in the forefront of this. I mean Senator
Lee is the chair of the Energy Committee. Senator Curtis,
So this is the top priority for him and the
House delegation, who we work with pretty regularly, see this
as the number one limitter of US energy production and
an American competitiveness. We need bipartisan policy so that ensures

(14:21):
that there is durability regardless of what happens in the
election eighteen months from now or three and a half
years from now.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Jeremy, great chatting with you. Thanks for a few minutes
of your time today.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Yes, absolutely, thank you for having me on Rodd and
Carolyn and good luck Carolyn on Wrestling Away the Spot direct.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Thank you, Jeremy. Jeremy Harrold. He is CEO of Clear Path.
Talking about Andergy, you need to see they're all fight
before you're going to have to wrestle this guy.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, I may. I may have to make some phone
calls over the weekend and have some pressure put on
pod on him. Yeah, we'll put on a number of people.
You may be getting casts.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
All right, more coming up. It is the Rod and
Carroll Show on Talk Radio one O five to nine
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of texts from him the first day I've heard from
him since, which is good. We like not hearing from them.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, well, because he just interrupts us. Yeah, it gives
us extraneous information that has nothing to do with the
work we're doing.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
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to call and see. All right, Donald Trump, what was
it last week? Two weeks ago announced a new effort
on homelessness, and he says he wants more money spent
on treatment centers. You know, not so much law enforcement,

(16:04):
but treatment centers. I think it's terrific idea.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, well, and there was a policy that we got
under a bunch of Democrats and I know Trump tried
getting rid of this in his first term, not as
successfully as we would have hoped, but he's learned a
few things, and that is the housing first, yeah, which
is you throw homeless people in houses and they're no
longer homeless. Meanwhile, you haven't solved any of the problems

(16:29):
that put them on the street in the first place.
That's true, and so it was creating much bigger problems.
And I know some of our local newspapers actually wrote
about how this was furthering some of the harm because
it was putting people even further behind because they ended
up getting thrown out of these homes after a few
months anyway. But yeah, a policy that just says, let's

(16:49):
put a roof over your head so you don't count
as homeless, but the dysfunctions that put you in that
position in the first place have not been dowed with.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, we're being treated and that's what the president ones done.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Well.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
The governor has sent a leader to state leaders here
to start getting going on this, and one of the
leaders who signed that letter was the President of the
Utah Senate, Stuart Adams, who's joining us on our newsmaker lines.
Stewart great to have you back on the show. Why
is this issue and this effort on the part of
the president and now the state of Utah so very important?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Well, it's so so important that we take care of
the homeless in the right way. You know, the problem
is right now that people don't they need a motivation
to change their lifestyle and what their president's doing.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's just right on.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, So I have worked with you on this issue
of housing. First, we all know that it really isn't
that effective. The President has said he wants it gone.
But along with that will be an increase for probably
mental health costs for those who are homeless. And I
know that in the past one of the biggest issues
there has been treatment providers. There has been a shortage

(17:58):
of those who can provide the treatment that's new needed.
What has been done over the last few years in
order to increase the number of providers so that those
who need this care can get it.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Well again, we made an effort last year and I
think for many years before that, to try to increase
the capacity for our universities and for tech colleges. I mean,
you can start in a tech college and start your
medical procedures there very inexpensive, but actually become some therapist

(18:31):
or work through that process. But we've allowed them to
actually retool and try to focus on high demand jobs
at high demand professions. And this is one of those
high demand professions. And then in addition to that, we
worked with all the counties. Davis County was the very
first to have a receiving center. Better off to have
a receiving center where you can give people mental healthcare

(18:53):
coverage versus trying to give someone mental health coverage in
an emergency room. Those doctors are looking at bones and
bruises and scrapes and not necessarily mental health. So we've
been able to actually refocus where they get their help.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Also, President Adams, I know that state has made huge
efforts over the last several years on this issue of homelessness,
But do you still see gaps out there? As you're
aware of the homeless and our approach to treating this issue,
do you still see some gaps out there that need
to be addressed.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Well, again, there are so many different issues. One is
we need to make housing more affordable, and we've done that.
You know, I pushed really really hard for the first
Home Buyer program. We've allowed people to have a twenty
thousand dollars a loan. We don't give things away in Utah.
We may it's a loan, but they're able to use
it for closing costs, down payment or to buy a

(19:46):
rate down so they can afford the house. And that's
been wildly successful for people to actually get in homes.
And then we've done a lot with treatment. We've tried
to focus, as I mentioned before, on trying to get
people treatment. Makes sense to incarcerate them, but again, if
they don't have the thread of incarceration, a lot of
people won't get the treatment.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, So I'm curious as well in the information coming
out of the White House. One part of the order
is that sex offenders within this population need to be
tracked and there will be grants prioritized to states that
do that. Has Utah been doing that or do we
plan to implement that tracking as a result of.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
This, Well, we've been doing that for years and again
we have a very active sex offender registry. We've been
tracking them and I think we've done a great job.
And part of that is trying to get people not
only tracked them, but try to see if we can't again, rehabilitate,
or give them the opportunity to change their lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Stuart, there was a study out released just a couple
of days ago. I want to get your reaction to
a dealing with this homeless issue. It was done by
the University of Chicago and they said, the real reason
for the large and greet in homelessness in this country
has been the illegal immigration. You've got people coming across
the border illegally, they don't have jobs, They're wandering the streets.
I'm not sure what impact that has here in the

(21:10):
state of Utah, but what's your reaction to that. Do
you think that could be, in fact be part of
the problem here in that not only in Utah, but
around the country.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Oh, there's no question about it. And we dealt with
this issue back and I think the twenty ten here
we actually passed a lot of legislation and our demographics
are showing us road that we're actually decreasing in population.
Are those that are dying or are more than those
that are being born. So we've got a negative population

(21:39):
growth in the United States and we actually crossed that
threshold in Utah. So we need immigration, but we need
the right type of immigration, So we dealt with it
and said basically, if you've got a job, you're productive,
and you can afford home or take care of your
own medical care, we probably need to keep you here
and take advantage of that demographic. But if you don't

(22:00):
need to go home. But that immigration, we've seen so
much dump across the border. Rod totally irresponsible without any
you know, without really any measure or or qualification that
that's got to that's got to increase homelessness, and we
just don't have capacity to take care of that type
of population.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
The President of the Utah Senate, Stewart Adams, joining us
on our any our newsmaker line talking about homelessness and
efforts here in the state to do something about it.
Every every community in this country is wrestling. No one
has come up with a solution.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Well, I think some solution, but we keep thinking, We
throw out what works because we think we know better,
and then we end up with bigger problems. Is that
we talked about this the other day, Right, does government
ever go and look at the results and measure those
Now they just.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Keep spending You spend money, spending money, all right, more
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Speaker 2 (22:54):
Kean Are asked, do you have Hillary's number? We could
find out how.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Calling the Russians. There we go, they get help us out. Well,
a lot going on today, but I I don't remember
doing this, but we must have a presidential fitness test
when I was you don't remember it. I'm old enough,
so I should remember that you do because I want it.
You won the presidential and then we had what did

(23:19):
you have to do? Do you remember what you had
to do?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I don't. I mean there were pull ups and push
ups and I'm sure yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well the president today announced they're going to reinstitute it.
He was at the White House with RFK Junior, a
number of well known athletes, including including people like Lawrence
Taylor Junior, famous linebacker with the New York Giants, talk
about reinstituting, re establishing the Presidential Fitness Test and the
Presidential Fitness Council, and I love the idea.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Awesome. Although can you talk about this because I hear
you did not play pickup ball this morning?

Speaker 4 (23:53):
I did not know.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, are you really want to be talking about yes?

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, because I play enough play this morning, I'd get
this show together. Okay, okay, okay, no, but the president.
Now here's what's funny. This program. It was instituted by Eisenhower. Okay,
back in the fifty some time. He thought children were
a little soft, a little weak compared to Europeans. So

(24:18):
they established the Presidential Fitness Test. And it used to
involve like a one mile run, pull ups and sit
and reach, and it was once kind of a right
of passage for America's youth and the people, the kids
who did a really good job would get an award. Okay, well,
along comes Barack Obama.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Is that when we got rid of it?

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Barack Obama came along, and Barack Obama basically said, well,
it leaves some kids feeling bad because they can't win
or you know, they can compete, they can do it.
So they created now what they call it. I was
reading this today something about where was it a President
Obama replaced the test after the twenty twelve twenty thirteen

(25:00):
school year and instituted the Presidential Youth Fitness Program, putting
more emphasis on students' health rather than performance. Well that's worked, yeah, yeah,
it really has.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
So you know.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I love the idea. I mean I think I do.
I can't remember it.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
You won it?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Do you have a medal or something?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
This show that you did now, I got a certificate.
But here's the thing. What we did as well. I
won for my school and then you went to a
competition at the district level.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
And did you win?

Speaker 5 (25:31):
No?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Oh, well, but you took it. Yeah, by the first one.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I won for my school for all girls. So I'm proud.
Still you should stay.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, we can tell you still wear that metal around.
So I like it. The Presidential Fitness test is back
and you've got you know, he's re establishing the fitness test.
I love the efforts to make America healthy again. That's
what we need to be. The president moving in that
direction again today, another win today. Just keeps on doing good.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
He keeps on doing good things. And have you seen
our military suffering? One of the reasons, yep, is this is.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
That exactly right? All right?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
A critical audit coming out of the State Auditor's office.
We'll talk with Tina Cannon about that coming up next.
Our number two of the Roddy and Carolyn shows.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Stay with us.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
So much was focused at the beginning of the president's
second term, second or first term? Is this his first
or second term? Because there was a break in the middle.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
It's still we'd like to think it's the first.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
He brought on Elon musk Doze. They looked at, you know,
the vast amount of abuse and waste in government spending,
no accountability whatsoever, Carolyn. I mean, it was amazing what
he found.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Oh and it's all been exposed to people paying attention now.
I think it's really increased the distrust that we have
in government as we see how for years we've just
been robbed blind while indebting our nation.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, and something's been going on here in Utah. That's
what the stage is found. Could it be more of
the same. Let's check in with Tina Cannon. Tina, of course,
is the Utah State Auditor. She released a new report
on some questionable activity involving one agency here in the
state of Utah. Tina's joining us on our newsmaker line. Tina,
how are you welcome to the Rodd and Carolyn Show.

Speaker 7 (27:20):
Doing great on a hot summer day. Thanks for the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Tina, what did you find you? You released an audit,
and boy, there was some frightening information in this audit.

Speaker 7 (27:31):
Yes, this is a real illustration of exactly what we
don't want to see happen with taxpayer funding.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
That we have.

Speaker 7 (27:39):
This particular grant program has been in place since the
eighties and has been run very well in the past,
but in the in the early twenty twenties or twenty twenties,
we started to see an increase in the amount of
direct appropriation to a partnership of Impact Utah, the University
of Utah in Utah State University. Now, this is a

(28:02):
federal grant, so the federal rules and oversight also apply
to this grant. So when the president of Impact Utah
started to filter off grant money to be used personally,
he used the company credit card for personal expenses, he
increased his salary, he bought another company. He had a

(28:25):
really good time with the grant funding that was coming
into the entity. So our audit report illustrates the amount
of money that we found in the two year period
where we reviewed every financial transaction between the two companies,
found a commingling of funds. It was a little horrifying, to.

Speaker 8 (28:46):
Be frank.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
Yeah, well, and most people think that it not for
profit means nobody's profiting and that's definitely not what was happening.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, we need to change that term because I don't
think that's happening in most of that So tell me this.
A lot of Utah money does flow through nonprofits. It
is not just a federal problem. It's a Utah problem.
It's a problem in every state. I guarantee you've talked
about how it looked like things had probably been handled

(29:16):
well for quite a few years and things changed. What changed?
Did anything change in the oversight itself?

Speaker 7 (29:25):
So we where this is a direct appropriation grant, where
the legislation is written to directly fund a particular company.
That is where you start to see the change happen
and where it was being funneled to a nonprofit. Anytime,
a nonprofit is supposed to have a functioning oversight board,
and this particular nonprofit was not. It did not have

(29:48):
an oversight board of its own, It didn't have a
board of directors, it was non compliant with IRS reporting.
But the oversight entities of the University of Utah, Utah
State University, and the Governor's Office of Economic Opportunity. You
had three bodies of oversight and let yet no oversight
was happening over checking how the money was actually spent.

(30:10):
This is a grant where they are given the money
up front and then they are supposed to be reporting
back what the deliverables were and how they spent the money.
That when nobody asks, it gives an opportunity for misuse
like this, and that's why we're talking about it and
making sure that other there were eighteen hundred government entities

(30:30):
across the state of Utah, this will not be the
only grant program that is out there, and it is
a warning to all of those entities giving out grants.
It is your responsibility to make sure that the grant
funds are used only for what the grant was intended
to be used for, and that you are responsible to check.

(30:51):
And that's really the moral of the story here is
those controls that the Auditor's Office makes recommendations for and
why we ask for the over site to be in
place is to keep good people good and honest people
honest because there were not.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
It wasn't just the president.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
Who lost his position here. There were good employees doing
a good job that also have lost their positions because
of his actions. Wow, So it is a moral there
is a moral to this story over why oversight matters,
why the whistleblower protections are there for those who contact
the state Auditor's office, and how oversight can happen when

(31:29):
it fails through the entities. I have to say that
the whistleblowers in this case were very, very frustrated. It
had gone on for several years. They had reached out
to multiple different agencies, and it was in desperation that
they finally called the hotline.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
And Tina, Tina, I have a question, Yeah, Tina, I
have a question. Was there was federal money involved in this?
Was there state money involved in this at all? Or
was it all federal money at this.

Speaker 7 (31:55):
Point now it was the majority was state money because
the program offers about under a million dollars a year
and the state match on it was two point eight
every year. And then there is also program proceeds because
they do the services that they offered also were paid
for by different companies, and so there's program revenue and

(32:17):
there's the funding from both the federal and the state.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
So the president of this company took vacations in Hawaii,
took vacations in Vegas, bought an exercise equipment, and nobody
asked them where that money was going.

Speaker 7 (32:30):
Nobody asked wow, wow, yeah, it's quite shocking it when
you have that and that there's a lot of finger
pointing in this. You can see at the end of
the report where the where the responses from the entities
come from. And there was a lot of pushback at
the first over when when the legislature gives a direct
appropriation like that, the entities that are tasked with oversight

(32:54):
don't feel like they have a choice, that it won't
really matter what they say or what if they don't
don't see the proceeds being used appropriately because the legislation
is written to pass it on to directly to that entity.
So in twenty twenty four, val Peterson wrote HB three
three five to try to strengthen those oversight rolls on

(33:18):
a pass through grant like this. So there have been
some changes. We've made an additional five recommendations for how
to tighten up the statute that we have cautioned all
of the entities. Whether that statute was there or not,
there are industry standards that would require the type of
oversight that we've recommended, and it would just be expected

(33:39):
to happen when you're dealing with taxpayer money. This isn't
government's money. This is money that we took from taxpayers.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, I have a question for you, Tina about with
everything that we've seen exposed just in the past six months,
it seems as though there probably is a lot of abuse.
I don't know if that's in Utah as well as federally,
but there is abuse because of this lack of oversight.
What is it that you, as a state auditor, are

(34:08):
able to do when this taxpayer money flows to private entities?
What ability do you have to audit them as compared
to a governmental entity.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
So it gets trickier when the money is sipened off,
And that was one of the most.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Disturbing responses back.

Speaker 7 (34:26):
The entity has softened their tone quite substantially. So just
to clarify before I answer that, because it feeds into this,
we give the agencies in this case, we gave them
three weeks to review our findings and then to respond
back before we make the report public. So they were

(34:47):
very aware of what we had found. But in those conversations,
the initial response was because they are supposed to report
anytime there is over twenty five thousand dollars in taxpayer
money that is distributed to company, they are to report
it to the state auditor's office. And at that point
our oversight kicks in and we start requiring based on

(35:08):
the amount of money. The amount of oversight kicks in further,
and in this case, it would have been a requirement
to have audited, independently audited financial statements that they had
not notified the state Auditor's office that this money was
being spent, and when the entity was that that distributed
the funds was had that pointed out. Their response was, well,

(35:31):
if we they won't want the money if they know they.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Have to report an auditor.

Speaker 7 (35:37):
And your response was my response. I laughed and said, well, dang,
then don't take the money. That that's the point. If
you don't want the oversight, then there's an then don't
ask for the money, because when you're using taxpayer money,
the oversight should be there, but it becomes more and
more difficult. One of the things that we point out

(35:59):
in this is the amount of compensation that the president
was giving himself. When you think of the nonprofit we
are seeing that trend quite often in those third party
entities that are receiving government money. If you're a government entity,
you would have to report those salary amounts to transparent Utah.
That we are seeing it even among charter schools and

(36:22):
charter school management organizations, that they don't feel like they
have to report those salaries, and those salaries are far
above market. And that's where when I caution over not
for profit is not meaning nobody's profits because the way
those compensation structures are being done, they are overly generous

(36:44):
for the size of the entities. In this case, it
was twice the normal size that we would expect for
an entity of this size. That we are seeing that
as a trend. Anytime it goes outside of the government entity,
then they don't feel like they have that oversight over
them salaries, and the salaries temp to really balloon.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well, it sounds like it is. Tina, keep up the
good work. We'll be talking unfortunately probably more about this
down the road, but to keep up the good work.
Thank you, Tina, You're welcome.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
Thanks for the time today.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
All right, State Auditor dore Tina Kenna Cannon joining us
on our any hour newsmaker line talking about this Utah
CEO who spent grant money on vacations, political donations, you
name it. He spent a lot of money with no accountability. Unfortunately.
All right, more coming up on the Rod and Carolyn Show.
Before we get to the story, I want to talk

(37:36):
about Carolyn. If you have a Democratic friend, okay, and
you're looking for that perfect Christmas gift, Okay, you're looking
for a gift. Kamala Harris announced today she's writing a
book on her failed campaign. Ah, wouldn't that be a
perfect gift to give a Democrat?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Well, yeah, a book about failure?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
What way she's gonna call it? Yes, I failed? I suck. Sorry,
I mean there has to be.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
A ghost writer. There has to be a ghost writer,
and there have to be a bunch of made up stories,
because there is no way that woman could entertain anybody
for even one page.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Well, it was the shortest presidential run in history, wasn't it.
I mean it was what three months?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
And she was installed. She wasn't even elected by her
own party, right, So what do you even have to say?
I might buy it just for that.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I've mentioned that I have. I purchased several weeks ago. Now,
the Jake Tapper book on Original Sam about what happened.
I put it down because the chapter after chapter is
the same thing. Close personal friend of the president really
liked him, noticed he was aging, but didn't want to
say anything. And that's all the book is about, chapter
after chapter of talking to people who went through that

(38:54):
same scenario. Good friend, last guy, notice, decline, got even worse,
but didn't decide. We didn't want to say anything or
was afraid to say something.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
And this was supposed to be some big expose a
too right, but they just don't even They're not entertaining
people anymore, and they're desperately trying to be right. You
look at these stunts, the weightlifting, screaming on the Senate
floor and.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Your guitar playing on the Senate.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Floor, and they think that their little antics are going
to entertain people and bring them to the Democrat Party.
Not happening.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
No, Now, I think you would agree with me, Carolyn.
Donald Trump has been on a roll since he took office,
and I look at all that he's achieved in the
now moorn than six months he's been in office, right,
and the Democrats are doing everything they can to try
and get attention. We don't know what they're doing. They're
doing something right. The question I have what about the

(39:56):
never Trumpers. Yeah, these are people who, when Donald Trump
back twenty fifteen came down that escalator, said never because
of his persona, you know, whatever he does. And they
people like Mitt Romney other people like that, have fought
against Donald Trump from day one. Now that they've seen
his success, do you think never Trumpers will return home?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I actually don't if they haven't gotten it by now.
And I didn't start out as a never Trumper. But
I started out, and Greg will tell you this. I
was a Cruise supporter, and I thought that Trump was
a Democrat who was posing as a Republican, something we
never see in Utah. But I thought that he was
a Democrat posing as a Republican because because I think

(40:42):
he thought that's where he could get some traction. I
changed my mind and voted for him in that race
in twenty sixteen, but it took me some time because
I didn't trust him. I didn't trust one more guy
running for office who didn't have any track record of
being what he claimed to be. But at this point,

(41:04):
how can you say he is not not only one
of the best presidents we've had, but one of the
best Republican leaders we've had in at least decades.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so you weren't a you wouldn't
cluss for yourself as a never Trump just a questionable Trumper?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Is that fair?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
And I'm the same way. I think when he first
came out, I went, oh, Donald Trump, we have this
TV show. Yeah, and al blah, he's had several wives,
blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
People didn't give him credit and there were a lot
of Republicans who just say never. I wonder if any
of the nevers have come back, or if we even
care if they come back.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Eight eight eight five seven zero one zero triple eight
five seven zero one zero on your cell phone, dal
pound two fifty, or on our talk back line. You
can leave us a message as well. What will it
take if we care for never Trumpers to return home?
We'll get your calls and comments coming up on the
Rotting Carroll Show. What will it take for never Trumpers

(42:04):
to return home? The president has had an enormous amount
of success. This article I saw about it, I think
it was an AI analysis by Newsweek says that the
first six months of the president's second term have been
the most successful of any American president since FDR. Look
at that. That says a lot, right, That says a lot.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
When we don't have biased historians making those assessments, and
AI tends to be biased, right, and less interactive with it.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
You play with it.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
So, yeah, I've had it lie to me repeatedly too really,
and then admit its lies, claim it won't do it again,
and then continue doing it, just lying differently. So, but
an analysis like this, and it is always left leaning
what it spits out, an analysis like this is based
on I guarantee like the accomplishments of the president, and

(42:58):
he's moving quickly. Yeah, he knows his time is limited
and he is finding success. He knows how to work
with people, apparently quite well.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
On deal making, on deal ma. If you think about it,
If there are conservatives out there in the Republican Party,
the never Trumpers question is were they really conservative? But
there were a lot I remember doing the campaigns, people
were saying, you know, we don't know Trump. He could
be a Democrat in Republican clothing. We just don't know him. Well,
it's turned out that he is a very very strong conservative.

(43:27):
So shouldn't conservatives realize what he has done in the
first six six and a half months now of his presidency,
very conservative approach, cutting the size of government, the trade deals.
You know you ned the border, certainly, I mean, what
more could he do down on the border?

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Right?

Speaker 1 (43:42):
So why, you know what? Why are they holding back?
I mean, why not why not come out and say,
you know what, we support the president. I want to
reach out to our listeners tonight. Maybe you were a
never trumper, have you changed your mind? Or maybe you
know somebody who is a never trumper who has now
come to You've had conversation with him and they've said,
you know, I've come around. I may not like his

(44:03):
demeanor at times, but hey, he's doing some good things.
Why is that so hard to say?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I honestly believe in my experience that it is because
these are not people who analyze the issues from a
principled standpoint, okay, And by that I mean these are
the principles in which I believe. They are based on
what was laid out in the Constitution, the role of government,

(44:31):
the limitations of government, and I assess my support based
on whether somebody acts in accordance with these principles. The
never Trumpers, I know, I'm just going to say it
tend to be more establishment elitistskay, country club, Yes kinda.
They are not people who deeply analyze these things from

(44:53):
a perspective of principle.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, well, here's another thing to throw in this discussion, Kerlyn.
I mean, Donald Trump, especially during his first term and
then after the twenty twenty election, kept on saying fake news.
You know, they're trying to stop me from becoming president.
And there are a lot of people there, Oh, he's
just wack o, he's nuts. Even never Trumper's was saying.
With the information that is now coming out thanks to

(45:18):
Tulci Gabbert, I know, the new information today that Hillary's
campaign was working almost directly with the Russians and certainly
with the with George Sorows. You know, coming up to
the plan to hobble Donald Trump. Doesn't that people who
don't like Trump, doesn't that even give you a pause
to think, you know, maybe he was right and they

(45:38):
were trying to just stop my campaign or ruin my presidency.

Speaker 9 (45:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Well it was literal collusion, by the way, which is
what they accused him of. And on top of that,
using intelligence agencies to funnel fake information to the American people.
I don't think the Soviets did it any better. Yeah, Like,
show me a totalitarian government that has controlled the narrative

(46:05):
better than Hillary and Obama did using again, American taxpayer
financed intelligence agencies. And did you see some of the
stuff that came out with the Durham Annex that that
contained a lot of the intelligence that was that formed
the basis of a number of these reports. Yes, Well,

(46:26):
the people writing the reports, including the intelligence community who
were writing the reports, and including members of Congress who
were putting to having hearings, holding hearings and writing assessments,
none of them were given access to the underlying intelligence.
And they were all fed a lie. And this is

(46:50):
the biggest scandal in the history of the United States
of America.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
And nobody's paid any attention to it.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Well, and never Trumpers cannot even humble themselves long enough
to sit down and look at what the truth is
of these things.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
All right, let's go to the phones eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five seven
eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound
two fifteen, and say, hey, Rod, let's go to the phones.
Let's talk with Dave in Riverton tonight here on the
Rotting Carrol Show. Dave, how are you? Thanks for phoning in?

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Doing all right? I am one of those never trumpers
you were talking about.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Okay, why?

Speaker 5 (47:27):
Uh? My primary concern is ethics. Is I do not
believe that he is transparent with the people. I do
not believe that he is working for our best and
Chrispy's working for his own.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
What leads you to that conclusion?

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Dave?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
What do you what are you seeing that that supports
your argument?

Speaker 5 (47:46):
Okay? Well, when he was campaigning, he did not release
his taxes. He's the only one who hadn't done that.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Okay, And can I can I stop you there? Can
I just stop you there for a second? Why is
that so important to you?

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Yea?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Why is that so important?

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Because for me, it's because it shows where his influence
can or cannot be had. I mean there, we asked,
you know, Jimmy Carter to sell his peanut farm so
that he could not be influenced. And now we have
someone who is refusing to adhere to the emolument's clause
and we don't know where his money is or isn't going,

(48:23):
and he's conducting personal business from within from within the
Oval office.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Okay, are there other issues Dave you mentioned? You mentioned,
of course the taxes. What other issues are held you
back or hold you back now from supporting him?

Speaker 5 (48:38):
One of the main I guess what I would say
is the methodology of how he goes about things. There's
lots of ways that we can go about getting conservative
solutions to the problems without being as I don't want
to say, abrasive, but without being as destructive as as
his policies have been. For instance, with immigration, to adequately

(49:01):
funding the immigration courts so that we can say, okay,
if you're coming in, you can't come in just saying oh,
I'm coming for asylum. When we have people who are
there who can quickly adjudicate you actually are here for asylum.
You can come in and wait where somebody else is, Oh,
I'm coming here for asylum. No, you're just coming here
to you know, get away from an abusive boyfriend or

(49:21):
something like that. A fully staffed immigration court would be
able to, you know, parse through that much more quickly
and would help make you know, immigration much less. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, and you're blaming that on Trump.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
I'm saying that. I'm saying that when we have the
opportunity for solutions, he's not offering those solutions. I mean,
we haven't had those solutions coming from others either, But
I'm saying that, you know, his solution was not to
find a more peaceable, you know, approach, of an approach
that you know respects people's humanity, but one that is,
you know, toss people in alligator Alcatraz and then having

(50:01):
you know, all the people who support that laughing at them,
having gone from all lives matter to let's throw them
and see if the alligators do anything to him in
you know, five years.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah, I'm sorry to cut you out there, Dave. I
thought you were done with your comment, but there you have.
That's another Trumper yees. Then you know, the tax issue
ramming through the constitution with immigration, I don't know what
do you what are your thoughts on? Really? I mean,
the tax thing doesn't bother me.

Speaker 8 (50:29):
No, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I don't care either. And by the way, we know
he's a really rich guy. We also know that they
tried for a decade to get him on illegalities in
his business, and the best they came up with was
a record keeping error that they or they would say
it wasn't an error. They would say it was a misrepresentation,

(50:51):
that was a misdemeanor that was turned into thirty four
or thirty two felonies. So that's the best they got.
So I actually don't worrry about that. I think we'd
be hard pressed to find a single president who came
off that clean in their business dealings.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
That's true, that's true, But.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
You know what, and when it comes to more immigration judges,
I'm not going to argue with that. But I also
think that to discount all of the thousands of things
he's done and say, but he didn't do this one
thing I want him to do is not really fair.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
No, I don't think it is either. All Right, more
of your calls and comments coming up on the Rod
and Carrol Show and Talk Radio one O five to
nine knrs. We're talking about the never trumperts. Here's one
of the comments on our talk back line talking about
do we need or what will it take to bring
never Trumpers back to the fold?

Speaker 10 (51:40):
Hey Clinton, Tuila, we need to get back to a
place where this country celebrates the success of any president.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
He's right, Well, I missed that one up. Now you
play that again.

Speaker 10 (51:51):
Here we go, Hey Clinton, Tuila, we need to get
back to a place where this country celebrates the success
of any president, regardless of party, true success, because true
success for any president is success for the country, and
that's always a good thing.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, it is a good thing. Here's another one of
the comments.

Speaker 11 (52:10):
Hey rod On Carrol, this is Jeremy from an American fork.
I was one of those never Trumpers. In twenty sixteen.
I voted Evan McMullen. I posted about it, try to
convince my friends to vote for Evan McMullen. I thought
Trump was in moral and I realized I was wrong.
In twenty twenty, I changed my tune and I voted
for Donald Trump. And I think that a lot of
my friends who are still never Trumpers, they've literally become

(52:33):
liberals in their hate for Donald Trump because he supports
so many conservative things. They've become liberals to suppose him.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah, isn't that amazing. They are so fixated with Trump
derangement syndrome that they they're now Democrats.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
And we've watched it play out. It's a real thing.
It is happening to or has happened to Republicans. It
makes absolutely no sense to me.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Yeah, and you know, I don't know what it will take.
I I you know, conservatives might like myself, and I
think like you Carolyn, maybe even Greg, they don't want
to come back. They want to come back. Okay, fine,
Well we're joining Elon Musk Party.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
And Trump's base is growing over time, so they're sidelining
themselves with what is a party of kind of losers
and radicals.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, I just don't think that makes it any.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Sense, growing more and more radical, And it will be
interesting to see the reaction in New York City if
this mom Donnie wins, and I think he's going to win.
I think what does that say about the Democratic Party?
That's right, scary folks. All Right, a lot of news
today and yesterday about the economy. Steve Moore will join
us break down the numbers that's coming up in hour

(53:46):
number three and rock Stock tickets still to give away.
Keep listening to. The President announced today that he's building
a big new dining hall on the White House grounds, right,
he says, the one they have. How how long's it
been since been to the White House? You ever been
to the White House on a tour.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Or something else. It's been maybe four or five years.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, it's been a long time since I said. And
here's the impression that I had when I went there.
This was years ago. I thought it was a dump,
you know, because it's it's been around a long time.
There have been changes made to up keep it, up
keep it. But back then, I thought, this is our
this is the nation's most recognized house, probably in the world. Yeah,

(54:28):
and I wasn't impressed. But the President announced today because
we have ah, they have a ballroom apparently not very big.
So when they have big events stay dinner and stuff
like that, they construct tens and people go outside it. Right,
and he said, come on, we need to show the
world what America is all about. So he built this.
It's going to build a big dining room that'll hold

(54:49):
six hundred. Is that the number I've heard. I think
it's six hundred. And he not a no taxpayer money
in this, his own money and donors will help build
this new dining hall. Right, we need to get the
first invite.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Oh, we better start working that.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
We need to work our levers.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, calling Senator Lee, you think.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I mean Mike's powerful. But is he that Yeah, he's
that powerful.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, they're pretty good friends.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Actually, yeah they are. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
So yeah, we're gonna do that. I'm gonna leave and
start working on that.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
You know, they used to and he hasn't done this
since then. They used to do what they called radio Row,
where they would invite radio stations from around the country
to come to the White House and do their shows
from there. Maybe he'll offer that to radio personalities around
the country to go to the New ball Room.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
That would be kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Hey, I go and have a hot talk. I don't
need a stake. I'd be happy to hot dog.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Are you met Romney?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Oh wow, wow, that's I thought we were friends. All right,
let's talk about the economy. The uh GDP came out yesterday.
Uh it grew by three percent in the second quarter
of twenty twenty five. Very good news. And there's a
lot of good economic news coming out yesterday. But let's
handlyze the numbers and break it down with our good

(56:05):
friend Steve Moore. He's an economist. He has a great
daily newsletter called Unleashed Prosperity. Former economic advisor at the
time to President Trump during his first term, Steve is
joining us on our news maker line right now. Steve,
thanks for joining Carolyn and myself tonight. You say good
news but not great news on the economy.

Speaker 12 (56:24):
Explain well, the overall headline number on GDP was excellent
thirty percent.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
I love that.

Speaker 12 (56:30):
If we can stay on that path for the next
couple of years, we're going to see huge, huge, huge
improvements and people's paychecks and the number of jobs, and
we'll actually turn down the depthsit which is a big
problem for the country. What we meant to say was
that one of the major reasons that the GDP was
as high as it is. And by the way, Baden,

(56:51):
I don't think I ever got the three percent growth is
because we had a big reduction in imports in the country.
Can you guess why we had a big reduction in.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Import oh, terriffs?

Speaker 12 (57:03):
Yeah, so, you know, the reduction and terrorists when making
things much more expensive, you know from abroad, there's not
a way to create prosperity, and so I don't think
that was a good thing. And when the business investment
numbers weren't as good as we wanted them to be,
the consumers are still spending. One positive thing By the way, guys,

(57:25):
in this report was that government spending was flat. You know,
it grew every month. You remember every time we'd come
up with a report under Biden. You know, you get
two and a half percent growth, but most of it
was government spending. So this is good that we're really
slowing the stampede of government spending and debt.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
So I'm curious, Steve, there is what's looking to people
like a bit of a showdown between the Fed and
Donald Trump. Give us your thoughts on that, on interest rates,
their impact on the economy, and where you think we
ought to go from here.

Speaker 12 (57:57):
Well, I wish I was had one hundred dollars bill
for every time somebody's asked.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Me a question over the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 12 (58:02):
But listen, I think Jerome Powell has been a failure
as the FED chairman. He has been very political. He's
out to get Trump. Clearly he's mismanaged funds with this
three billion dollar taj Mahal they're building on Tetsylvania Avenue.
By the way, there's plenty of empty office space. They
didn't have spent three point one billion. And Trump was

(58:23):
great when he went over. They said, yeah, they said,
can you fix this?

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Yeah, I could have.

Speaker 12 (58:27):
I could have prepared this for about three billion dollars
less than they spent. So it was a huge, huge,
So he's got a bit of a black eye. And
but look, I want to make sure people understand that
the key to recovering our economy is not for the Fed.
The lower interest rates that might help a little bit,
but the Fed really doesn't control interest rates. They just
control the federal funds rate, which nobody borrows at that rate.

(58:49):
What people care about the ten year Treasury bill and
the thirty year mortgage. And last time we cut rates,
the expectations in the market where that inflation would up,
So the thirty year mortgage interest rates went up. They
went didn't go down. So I could see a case
for cutting rates right now. But Trump wants a two

(59:09):
hundred basis point reduction. I think that would be I'll advised.
But Trump always asks for big things, you know, that's
the way he is surprised.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Steve, Steve, when the whole TERRFF issue began, you said
you went along with it in a sense that you
said it's risky, but we'll have to see how it
plays out. At this point. Now, how do you see
a plane out so far?

Speaker 12 (59:29):
Steve Well, I certainly feel better about it than I did,
you know, back in the middle of April, when I
was standing on the ledge ready to jump off the
stock market by twenty five hundred points. So no, I mean,
Trump has a whole series of victories now, and the
most important one is the one with Europe. I mean,
you guys remember back three months of your pins. They
were't never get to negotia with Donald Trump now and

(59:50):
we're not gonna let him bully us into doing this.
But you know, Europeans have been ripping us off. They've
been discriminating against our technology products because they don't have
technology companies themselves. And by the way, I know it's
the solicon slopes out there in Utah where you've created
a lot of our technology products and the Europeans are nowhere.
So they started taxing it unfairly. And so we got

(01:00:12):
a good deal with Europe. I'm very proud of Trump
for doing that. It looks like he's going to get
a deal with Canada. It looks like we're going to
be talking about a good deal with some of these
other countries. It's one by one It's like a game
of dominoes. They're all falling because nobody wants to be
the last country that doesn't have a deal, because if
you notice, every time Trump gets a deal, it puts
more pressure on other countries to dial up Trump in

(01:00:35):
the Oval Office and get a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah, truly, I'm curious, Steve. Right now, we know that
very few negotiators can negotiate like Donald Trump, and I
think we're in a unique situation right now as a result.
He's the master, right and he's showing that through all
of these various negotiations with other nations that have been
taking advantage of us for years and our lead still

(01:01:00):
allowed it. So what are things that Congress can be
doing right now in order to help stabilize us for
the future, because we cannot be just dependent on having
a great negotiator who does put America first in the future.

Speaker 12 (01:01:14):
Well, you know, we've got to do several things. And
by the way, there's I always say there's three legs
to this stool that was really turned around the economy
because it was in a dish when Biden was president.
Can you imagine, by the way, with the economy, would
we right today if funnel Harris were.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Period.

Speaker 12 (01:01:31):
I think number one, Yeah, number one, We're producing a
lot more energy and that's keeping gas prices low, and
I think they're headed back to below three dollars a gallon.
I don't know what you're paying out there, but you know,
we still pay about three twenty a gallon here on
the East Coast. And then, you know, so producing more
energy is a huge way to you know, inflate our
economy in terms of the growth of our economy and

(01:01:53):
to make us less dependent on countries like Russia and Iran.
Second of all, we've really, we've s we gaved hundreds
of billions of dollars through Trump's deregulation efforts. And also
he's cutting up government spending. We actually got rid of
some government programs for the first time in thirty years.
And then the third thing he has done is we
got this big, beautiful tax bill on which was absolutely essential.

(01:02:15):
Shame shame, shame on. Every Democratic Congress voted against that bill.
You know, this is I just wrote my column on this, guys.
I mean, what does the Democratic Party even stand for today?
I mean, what is their growth strategy? Do they have one?
Do they want the economy to improve because they voted
against everything Trump has done.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Steve Moore joining us on our any our Newsmaker line
talking about the economy. It just keeps on rolling. You know,
everybody's waiting for you know, what will the full impact
of the tariffs. People are still I think that's why
people are still a little little nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Yeah, but I've talked to a lot of people who've
said it. Even before those kicked in, they had people
adding a line to pricing that was tariff pricing, and
they would add extra money on before imports were even
affected by them. So it may be a little difficult
to figure out what's what on that. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Yeah, we'll have to wait and see. But right now
the economy is rolling and it's good news for a
lot of people out there. All Right, We've got a
lot more to come right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine KNRS.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I have kids who have played lacrosse for like my
first one started over twenty years ago, and I still
don't quite get everything. I mean, I get that the
ball goes in the goal in the net, yeah, in
the goal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yeah, I got that, and that's a point. Yeah, And
they run around of these little.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Baskets and beat on each other.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Yeah, I played it once, since years ago. I grew
up playing baseball and hockey in upstate New York, and
one summer we tried lacrosse.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
That is a man, that's a physical right beat you
with those. It is so fun to watch kids sound
age love this game. Here in Utah, I have youth lacrosse.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
There is nothing that moves as quickly as lacrosse.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Nothing hockey.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Okay, hockey, all right, because it's basically the same game.
It's so I sat at one game. My son was
a goalie, and I remember sitting at one game and
somebody asked me something, and you know, he'd played for
a long time. Somebody asked me something about one rule
and I'm like, yeah, I don't I don't know. And

(01:04:27):
one of the dads said, well, to be perfectly fair,
they keep changing the rules, and I'm like, dude, thank
you for being so generous.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
But that has nothing to do with it. For the
NFL expision game on tonight, it's crazy. We're a football family. Yeah,
we played college ball and yeah we're big football family.
You can watch we have that. We have you tickets
and we yell and scream and you know that's kind
of fun. But NFL back tonight a Hall of Fame

(01:04:54):
game on television right now?

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Uh, have you seen this? This? This was tough to
look at, Marilyn. The photos coming out of Cincinnati. Oh
from the woman who is cold cocked and knocked unconscious
in that brawl or whatever you call it. Is that
the racial violence right in this country and nobody is
willing to cover it if it's black on white. Now,

(01:05:18):
if it's white on black, it becomes a national story
and a debate over you know, racism in America. But
you're here. You have a white, black on white crime
hardly getting any attention.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
And it becomes when it is white on black, it
becomes a debate about systemic racism. Right, yes, And we
are not seeing any real accounting for the fact that
most of these interracial crimes, and by the way, most
of these most crimes are not interracial, they are intraracial.
But when they are interracial, the number of crimes that

(01:05:54):
are black on white far outweigh anything that you see
the other way around. We need to treat people as individuals.
This one was clearly you had a bunch of black
youth engaging filming laughing about it. I don't care what
color you are, you need to be held accountable to
this kind of behavior and you should not be on

(01:06:16):
the streets of our communities period.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
And in Cincinnati, you know you have a police chief, yes,
who blamed the media for this, for sending out the
viral comments or the viral videos, the videos that were
taking of the beat down. You have this city councilwoman
or named Victoria Parks who posted on her website they
asked for the beatdown, referring to the two victims. They

(01:06:42):
asked for the beat down. Now, you know, if that
guy walked past a group of young black people and
used an appropriate comment, that still does not allow them
to go out and meet the new lakes out of them.
I mean, if he's an idiot to say something like that, okay,
shame on him, But that doesn't mean you go out
and beat the tar and then to hit this woman.
Just a guy walked up and nailed her right in

(01:07:03):
the face, knocked her unconscious, and she laid unconscious on
the street for several minutes. And the other disturbing thing
about this is to hear people all using their camera
or their phones to take video of this one person.
One person called nine to one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Well, and some reports were even that this woman who
ended up being punched out and beaten, was trying to
interrupt the beating that was taking place with the man.
And it may have started out as a brawl, I'm
not really sure, but it ended up as just a
total beatdown of a bunch of blacks on a couple
of whites. Yeah, that none of this is okay?

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Yeah, and yet what is the response getting very little
coverage I know, and nobody is paying much attention to it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
And by the way, five.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
People have been charged. We should say that police have
arrested five people in connection with this. What their sentence
is going to be, I don't know, but I tell
you what. You take a look. You take a look
at that woman and her face, and I mean, it's
just disturbing to look at.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
It's true, But can we comment just a little bit
on this police chief who decided to emotionalize everything instead
of just dealing with it in a very Yeah, I mean,
this is pretty straightforward. I'm not saying that their guilt
is straightforward. Before they've gone through a trial, right, but
she wanted everything to be about the response of the

(01:08:24):
people through the country and how they needed to just
back off, and it was making it harder for her
to do her job. How did any of this make
it harder for her to do her job? Put down
your social media account, lady, and do your job. It
shouldn't impact the work that she's doing at all. And
I do think that is one of the problems we

(01:08:45):
have when we decide that everything is like an emotional
plea as opposed to just kind of straightforward, black and white,
do your job.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
You want to see the brutal images of what happened.
Look up this photo. It is frightening. This poor woman.
I believe her first name was Holly, and it is
just difficult to look at. Yeah, that is all right.
More coming up here on the Rotting Carroll Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs. Well,
we're still trying to figure out COVID nineteen and the

(01:09:17):
impact that has had. There is no doubt that the
lockdowns really did cause harm, devastating an entire generation of children.
And that's where we failed, I think so much, Carolyn,
because you know, older people were affected by this. We
did so much to protect our younger children, but you know,
they weren't at risk from everything we understand, and look

(01:09:38):
what we made them do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
I know, Well, it's absolutely absurd. And the fact that
we allowed it to happen. Yeah, and some of us
were fighting it all along, but a lot of people
just completely went along with it. It took them a
long time to realize this was a problem, maybe unconstitutional
and really horrible for human interaction and development.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
And these little children being to wear a mask and
it just bothered the daylights at them. Well, let's dig
into this a little bit more. Joining us now on
our Newsmaker line is Ian Miller. He is an author
or writer at al Kick. He wrote about what he
calls the crime of the Century. Ian, how are you
and welcome to the Rotting Carol Show. Thanks for joining us,
see him.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
I'm doing well. Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Yeah, how bad is this? You get the headline on
your story is the crime of the century? How bad
is this in your opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
And I think that's that's a good description. It's not
too hyperbolic to say that.

Speaker 9 (01:10:33):
And considering as you just mentioned, you know, how little
risk there was to children throughout the pandemic.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
What we did to.

Speaker 9 (01:10:41):
Them in particular, I mean to everybody really, but to
them in particular is really indefensible. And it's even more
indefensible considering we knew it almost immediately that they were
at very low risk.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
This wasn't something that oh, we well, we just figured
this out.

Speaker 9 (01:10:54):
In twenty twenty five or twenty twenty four. I mean,
we knew this within a few months of spring twenty two.
So to have it continue for years and years and years,
it really is indefensible. And the harms we're only just
beginning to deal with that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, I think that's absolutely true. Tell me. I think
that for the public at large, a lot of people realize,
even if they didn't realize it at the beginning, realized
over time that we were completely abused by our government
and that risks were taken that never should have been taken,
and that have destroyed a lot of things about this
developing generation. So I think there has to be accountability

(01:11:34):
if we want to ensure that our government does not
repeat this tragedy. Do you believe that there is a
political will in America today to actually hold anybody accountable
for this mess.

Speaker 9 (01:11:50):
I wish there was. I don't think that there is. Unfortunately,
it just seems like most people have decided that they'd
rather just kind of move on and act like it
never happened, as opposed to really holding people accountable. I mean,
there's been some efforts in Congress, and you know, grateful
for those to point out all the things that we
did wrong and to try to hold some people accountable,

(01:12:10):
but it just doesn't seem like there's the appithet for it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
And you know, the news move so quickly, and I.

Speaker 9 (01:12:15):
Really do think that a lot of people, now realizing
that they were wrong during that time period, don't want
to deal with the fact that they were wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
So instead of trying to focus on accountability and, as
you said.

Speaker 9 (01:12:27):
Making sure this never happens again, there's this attitude of
let's just act like it never happened, which just move on,
you know, and we'll deal with whatever later, but we
don't want to really revisit all.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
The things that we made mistakes with Ian.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
You mentioned a moment ago some of the harms that
this has caused. What are some of the harms that
to you are most obvious or that you're seeing now
as a result of these lockdowns and all these just
terrible mandates they were putting on all of us, including
our children.

Speaker 9 (01:12:56):
Yeah, I mean just generally, I think you still see
a lot of people wearing masks. I live in California
to see that very frequently.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
Here, and I'm sure across the country.

Speaker 9 (01:13:04):
Yeah, it's not obviously everybody, but it still happens. And
these people are have been completely misled about how effective
or ineffective these masks actually are. And it's if they're
not going to stop, now, when are they ever going
to stop? And these people are going to have children,
or potentially what are they going to do with their children?
Are they going to raise them in an atmosphere of
fear and false security with masking? And then as far

(01:13:27):
as the case go, I mean, the story that I
wrote really focused on I wasn't going to have an
evidence review that examined a lot of different stories about
how children that kind of grew and developed during the
early stages of the pandemic were affected by these restrictions.
And it's in every area. It's behavior, it's communication, it's
learning how to speak, it's motor skills, it's problem solving,

(01:13:48):
emotional skills because children need to be around adults and
need to be around other children as they grow and
develop and to learn these things, and they weren't. And
when they were, they were harassed to keep them, asked
on their face at daycare, or they were being faced
by adults that were covering their faces. So it is
these are generational harms.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
That don't just go away after a year or two.

Speaker 9 (01:14:11):
And again, this is this is where we needed accountability
and we're not getting it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Yeah, I and I agree with you completely. Tell me
what you think. Has anybody really looked at what we
know what these short term ramifications are. I think long
term could be even significantly worse for an entire generation
of children. Have you did you come across any information
that people were putting out that take a look at

(01:14:36):
what these long term concerns might be with these kids.

Speaker 9 (01:14:40):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
I have written about it in the past, and I
can't remember.

Speaker 9 (01:14:43):
The exact number, but there were some like economics researchers
that tried to put a value on the lost income
that this generation could be facing because they don't develop
as much, they're not as intelligent or intellectual, they don't
go to as colleges and uh, you know, to take
on professions at the same level as their previous generations

(01:15:04):
or maybe future generations. And it is obviously it's just
billions and billions of dollars. It's not more of lost
potential income because of what they've been what was done
to them without you know, without their control or consent
early on in their lives. And that is, like you said,
that's the that's the real issue here. It's not just Okay,
well there are three and four and five. It's what

(01:15:25):
happens is they'd reach you know, high school era and
in adulthood and these are young kids.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
Too, And I think we also kind of do a
disservice to.

Speaker 9 (01:15:32):
Not point out that middle schoolers and high schoolers had
years of.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
Their formative social and educational.

Speaker 9 (01:15:39):
Lives set back by this too, and how much that
affects them later on, you know, we just don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Yeah, And Carol, Carolyn asked you a minute ago about
people are we going to hold some people accountable? And
you gave a great answer that here's a twist on
them in a way. Should the American people be held
accountable on this for letting the government get away with
this I mean, is that something to think about. Should
we have said, we should have said more, we should
have tried to stop this and refuse to do this

(01:16:05):
and just say we're not going to do it. It's
that simple. Should we be held accountable a little bit?

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
Yeah, And that's a great point.

Speaker 9 (01:16:13):
And I honestly was very surprised to how many people
went along with everything and didn't speak up more against it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
And I think there are a lot of different reasons
for it.

Speaker 9 (01:16:21):
I think there's a kind of natural human inclination towards
conformity and not wanting to get become an out group.
And the conventional wisdom during COVID was very much around
we have to mask, you know, makes you a good person,
stay home, close schools, lock everything down, and so speaking
out against that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Kared an enormous amount of risk.

Speaker 9 (01:16:40):
I mean, for a long time I was anonymous on Twitter,
or at least some anonymous because I was worried that
it was going to have personal and professional consequences. Yeah,
just to say this stuff doesn't work. So I understand
why it happened, but it is you're absolutely right that
you know, we have going to have to look in
the mirror and say we should have been more vocal
against this. I mean I can understand it a little

(01:17:01):
bit more in early times in twenty twenty, but especially
like California twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, is this
stuff continued the fact that there weren't more people every
day saying this is enough, We're done. I think it's
historically embarrassing and really disheartening for how people think about
this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with you. And great, great article,
great conversations. Thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Oh, thank you again for having me. I really appreciate
it all right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
On our Newsmaker line, that's Ian Miller. He is a
writer att OutKick and talking basically about the harmful effects
of COVID nineteen still dealing with it. I mean, it
really is sad that we let ourselves go along with this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Well. I was ordered out of my low communist grocery store.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Were because you didn't have a mask, because.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I refused to wear a mask. And by the way,
I pointed out to the manager, did.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
You how many funny looks did you get?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Tons?

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Yeah? But I did point out to the manager that
there were dirty dogs. There were dogs that were not
service animals wandering around the store, and I was not
allowed to without a mask on my face, and I
was told that that was irrelevant and ordered out. But
my husband was paying for groceries at the time, and
so they they I said, all leaf, he's getting the groceries.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Thanks, good for you, Good for you. All right, final
segment of the Rod and Carroll Show coming up right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine, Okay nrs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
And it's a late work week, like late day work week.
There's no early out on Fridays here really well, like
you know, lunchtime, you go home and never show back up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
There are few people I think did too that here.
Now we can't we're on the air, but we're on
the air. But yeah, there are probably a few people
who do that. Head to the golf course, whatever the case.
Get get a Friday round in. Who knows story out
this week. Violent crime is on the decline in the
US following the arrest and removal of criminal illegal aliens

(01:19:00):
was announced by the Department of Homeland Security on Monday.
Under President Trump and DHS Secretary Christy Nome, law enforcement
is working at lightning speed to remove violent criminal illegal
aliens from the US. Every single day, they're arresting gang members, murderers, pedophiles,
and violent protesters, despite the fact that people are trying

(01:19:20):
to stop them from doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
And who would know that when you arrest law breakers,
you get less lawbreaking.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Yes, amazing, Wow, what a revelation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Yeah, well it is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Some Now there is a bipartisan group of lawmaker, well
bipartisan group of Republicans I should say not bipartisan group
of Republicans who are trying to get the Centence Bureau
to stop a method they use to count people in
America and they include people who are not here legally.
Illegal aliens are included every ten years in that centsence count.
We have a mid year one coming up this year.

(01:19:56):
I think as a matter of fact, they do it
about every five years, not the big one, but they
kind of get an update on them. Well, yesterday the
head of the Census Bureau appeared before a Congressional committee
and Representative Tim Burchett finally got the head of the
Census Bureau to admit what they do with those numbers.

Speaker 13 (01:20:13):
Miss Santos, are illegal immigrants counted in the US census?

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Yes, Why they have a usual residence in the United States.

Speaker 13 (01:20:25):
Okay, Is that data collected by the census used to
decide how many congressional districts and electoral.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
College votes a state gets.

Speaker 13 (01:20:33):
It is, And it's true that states with high numbers
of illegal immigrants, like California or New York are typically
Democrat states.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Correct Texas, Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:20:44):
Sir, my county illegal immigrants.

Speaker 13 (01:20:46):
These states received more electoral votes and seats in Congress.
Doesn't that mean that Democrats benefit from illegal immigration.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
You're a scientist.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
I am a scientist.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
That's the way the mouth works, Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I mean he just came right and said, yeah, we
count him. Yep, that's what happens. And usually states like
California and New York benefit from this. So they admitted it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
We knew all along, We knew all along. And by
the way, this is the only thing that the Democrats
want to count illegal aliens for. They don't have to
show ID. No one should show ID for voting, no
one should have to show ID when they get government benefits.
All of these things, but when it comes to census

(01:21:30):
numbers that determine the seats in Congress, they want to
make sure those people are counted. And we have their names.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
We were talking earlier about never Trumper's yeah, and if
they'd ever come home or if we even even care
now Chris Cuomo, who was on CNN for a long time,
couldn't stand the guy personally. But he's gone over I
think it's News Nation or something like that and does
a show and you kind of see how things are
changing with him. I don't know what's going on. Maybe
he's doing it for ratings, to try and get some numbers.

(01:22:00):
But he was driving in his car today, it's stuck
in traffic, and he made this revelation.

Speaker 14 (01:22:05):
Stuck in traffic. I'm remembering right now. Wow, I'm wrong
a lot. We don't like to say it, we don't
like to admit it, we really don't like to correct it.
But that is how you grow and you get to
a better place, and it is such a precious commodity
right now.

Speaker 8 (01:22:24):
I've been wrong. I've been wrong.

Speaker 14 (01:22:26):
About political issues. I've been wrong about people. I've been
wrong about myself. I've been wrong about my responsibilities. I've
been wrong about my opinions, my tastes, my choices.

Speaker 8 (01:22:38):
I've been wrong, and that's okay. Hopefully you learn.

Speaker 14 (01:22:44):
Hopefully when you're wrong, you get to a better place
if you do the work, unless you stubbornly hold on.
And that's where so much of us are stuck. It's
not just being wrong, it's refusing to learn what's right wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:23:01):
Have you been wrong? If you say, no, you're wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
I don't know what he's trying to do in that video,
but I find it just interesting mentioning he's been wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Yeah, but he's not wrong in that assessment either, Right.
I do think that's one of the biggest problems that
we have in our society today politically, is people refusing
to admit that they have been.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
They made a mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Yeah, and that's wrong, that's normal. That's called maturity.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
I used to struggle with that when I was like ten, Right,
really admitting that I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Well, most kids don't. Yeah, kids believe they're right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Alder that's right, And that's my point. It's a very
immature way to look at the world. And I think
we have a lot of adults who still behavior.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
We're stuck in stuck in that. Yeah, man, I've just
found that interesting. On Chris Crambo, all right, that does
it for us to I cut off shoulders back. May
God bless you and your family and this great country
of ours. We absolutely love it, and we'll love being
back with you tomorrow, starting it for We'll talk to
you then

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