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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You pick up your phone. I did, I did?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Did today? Will get impressed?

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I woke up.

Speaker 4 (00:07):
Course I didn't, and I wanted to, but I didn't.
I put Queen Bee says, check your phone. I look
at my phone and there it is. The raid on
John Bolton home, and all the ensuing commentary and all
the stone cold, hypocritical regime media types just losing their minds,
as if this is the worst thing they've ever seen.

(00:29):
After they just were so giddy and happy as they
deployed and narrated law fair against President Trump.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's as if none of that ever happened.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
They've never seen this before, They've never seen such an
act of retribution or revenge.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
This looks so this is.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
So wrong, This is awful.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
You couldn't write it, you couldn't make it up.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
We're going to get into that. Another sad day for
the Democrats. I feel so sorry for the Democrats. They
were so hoping that Gazelle Allain. Your guess is Jeffrey
Epstein's little buddy, right. Basically, they've released more documentation on
her interview, and she basically says Donald Trump always acted appropriately,

(01:10):
never did anything inappropriate, and I never see him doing
I never saw him do anything like that. You know,
the Democrats have just been hoping that the Epstein files
would unleash information on Donald Trump, and and here you
have his sidekick. She's saying, well, he was always very
appropriate and I never saw him do anything inappropriate. It's

(01:31):
got to be driving the Democrats nuts.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I'm telling you that they m saying, what about Epstein?
I mean that was healthy only hope. So today's has
been a very bad day for the Democrats. We got
more too. There's it's not it doesn't get any better.
That's just the two items that are kind of setting
them back right now that they don't like. But there's
a lot more that just came out even today that
is making life harder if you're a leftist, elitist, you know,

(01:57):
Democrat and or one of the part of their regime media. Well,
it's a sad time.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Here's what's bad too. A organization kind of a centrist,
left leaning organization has come out with words that the
Democrats shouldn't say this. How are they going to communicate
if they can't use these words.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
They act like these words are just yeah, these words
are basically the essence of who they are. I don't
know what the saurus they're going to pick up, or
how they're going to get away with saying using other
words in the words that we're going to share with
you later in the program, but their entire platform, their
world vision, their DNA, it is all found in these

(02:36):
words that they're now told they shouldn't say because it
makes them look elitist. It doesn't make you look elitist.
You are elitists.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Should should we buy them a thesaurus? I help them
out because they's to be lost.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
They'll never say homeless. It says, don't say unhoused, say homeless.
You do know how hard it's going to be for
them not to say on house pregnant person. And they
can't say that woman's pregnant. They have to say pregnant person.
They cannot, they can. Don't make them do it. They
will die.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
You will laugh at this list, and we'll get to
it a little bit later on in the show. We've
got a lot of other great things to talk to
you about today as you work your way home into
the weekend, and we invite you to be a part
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us talk back. We love hearing from our talkback listeners
as well. So a lot to get to today, but
let's start with the raid on John Bolton's home.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yes, somber time, such a somber time. The REGI media,
they're very very very sad.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, Now, I seem to recall that there was a
similar raid on the home of one Donald Trump at
mar A Lago. And remember police went in fully armed.
I don't know what they were looking to do, but
remember that raid and their lights and everything else. Nothing
happened like that today.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, you didn't see the lights, you didn't see the
flak jackets. I don't know that they were authorized to
use deadly force in this raid of John Bolton's home
this morning, as they were authorized. Ye when going into
the former then former president's home in mar A Lago,
they were authorized to use deadly force if necessary.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
None of that. I didn't see any of that. So
they're very very upset.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
There's a lot of pearls being clutched right now amongst
the leftists of the regime media.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
But really this.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Is a walk in the park compared to what they
put their political opponent through.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, listen to sublic questions that are being raised. The
Vice President JD. Vance interviewed earlier today for Meet the Press.
The interview will be aired on Sunday, but he was
asked about the raid on Joan Bolton's home today.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
You know a lot of people have already looked at
this and said, this looks a lot like retribution.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Is this retribution?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, who has said it looks a lot like retribution?

Speaker 7 (04:59):
Chris and a lot of people who tried to throw
Donald Trump in prison for completely faked charges that were
later thrown out by multiple different courts. I suspect that
if the media and the American people let this case
actually unfold, if they let the investigation unfold as it's
currently doing, they're going to find out that what we're
doing is being very deliberate and being very driven by

(05:19):
the national interest and by the law here, and that's
as it should be.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
How many times do you think tonight will hear the
word retribution. Well, they're going to try whatever they call these.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Propagandas are going to do everything in their power to
make you think it's tip for tat, that there's no
merit to any of it. That's what they're saying right
now and have been saying it all day. But one
of the reasons Donald Trump was elected was because they
saw how profoundly unjust things had become and how he
was attacked. They Colorado took I forgot this, but they
took him off the ballot in a primary. They took
them off a number if they had to litigate that

(05:51):
to get his name back on ballots that he was
legally allowed to be on. They were so crazy about
trying to destroy this man.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
They find reads behind it. He was a felon.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah and yeah, and uh and and there's no no
formal declaration of that, but they they did everything in
their power beyond description to try and destroy this man.
And when you get elected in office to try and
fix the mess that everybody's watched, you can imagine that
part of that's going to be the bad players that
were acting during that time.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, as the story unfolded this morning, of course, the
president was asked about this. Here's his response.

Speaker 8 (06:27):
No, I don't know about it. I sewed on television
this morning. I'm not a fan of John boll He's
a real uh s, a low life. When I hired him,
he served a good purpose because, as you know, he
was one of the people that forced Bush to do
the ridiculous bombings in the Middle East about when you
know he wants to always kill people.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's so true to you know, like, how would you
like the President of the United States to call you
a lowlife?

Speaker 4 (06:57):
I know you're such a loadlife. It's it's it's true.
This guy's been under my skin for so long. He's
been unbelievably you know. And the thing is, the left
hated John Bolton. They really, they could not stand him.
The second he started criticizing Trump, became the darling. Yeah,
And I think that's honestly what motivated him to flip
as hard and as criticals he did against Presidence because

(07:19):
he got these leftists to like him. And as we're
finding out from data Republican and others, there's always a
money trail, there's always someone that wants to pay you
handsomely to join their side. So I'm sure, there's some
you know, some contract out there that rewards John Bolton
for what he does.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well, if you listen to people, and we've been listening
to people today, all the political pundits on the various
news cable news channels talking about this, the general feeling
greg around Washington is that in many ways, John Bolton
is a low life.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I mean, you know, the guy can't be trusted. And
the reason behind this he wrote a book, Kimmera in
the name of the book. But they're wondering if he
has in his possession some intelligence documents that are classified
that he shouldn't have, and that's why that raid was
held today. They're looking if there's something there that John
Bolton shouldn't have. And this isn't a retribution, as jd

(08:12):
Vance just said, they're following the course that you need
to take.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
So yeah, they picked this up from a case that
was being made against him and during the Biden administration,
and they for political reasons, dropped this case. It wasn't
from a lack of merit. It was something that should
have been adjudicated, it should have been investigated. All these
things should have happened. But I think because Bolton was
such an enemy of Trump and ready to criticize them.
They didn't want to bite a hand that was feeding them,

(08:37):
so they dropped it for political reasons. And I think
that case was looked at, reviewed, and you're seeing it
move forward.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I wonder if John Bolton is thinking about these words
he said shortly after the raid almar Alago, and.

Speaker 9 (08:48):
I think it's important that everybody take a deep breath here.
This is a very serious matter and it would be
better if we could let the legal process play out.
I know that maybe frustrating to some people. The seriousness
of it itself dictates that we try and proceed in
the most orderly way we can, let.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
The legal process. I'm with you, John, Thank you John
for that.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
I think we're gonna let the legal process play out.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
We appreciate this organization called the Third Way Greg, a
leftist leaning organization, has developed a list of words that
they say the Democrats shouldn't use anymore. Yes, now we're
wondering if they could even put a sentence together without
using any of these words. I don't know if they can.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
The list of words that they should not use is
basically it amounts to a gag order, they won't be
able to ever have a cogent thought because there's they
have no thought outside of the words that they're telling
them they're not able to use. Yeah, it'd be like
asking me to not talk about freedom. Don't see freedom
and say freedom and say liberty of self determination, don't
use that term.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
It's not good. It's not good.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
To handicap me quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, we learned this week as well that MSNBC is
soon to become a now.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
M Snow Snow. I don't know MS. No one watch,
no one watching, No one's watching.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
That's right. Well, let's find out more about this and
get our next guest reaction to it. CHERYLD Chumley and
online opinion editor at The Washington Times, Cheryl, how are
you welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks
for joining us.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
Hey, it's great to be with you guys. Happy Friday.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Happy Friday to Cheryl. I don't know if you've seen
that list of words yet, Cheryl, But do you think
any of those will show up on the new MS
what they call MS now?

Speaker 6 (10:31):
No, definitely not. Isn't it funny how democrats can spend
their time debating what words are suitable to say, and meanwhile,
the world's on fire right immigration and crime in the streets.
But let's deal with words that are offensive.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, why is it?

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Would you think that, Cheryl, that these democrats, leftist regime
media as I like to call them, would think that
they always go to a rebrand. They don't want to
talk about content, they don't want to talk about substantive
issues that might they might be alienating the public. It's
how do we trick them? How do we rebrand it
so they think it's something that you know, that we
like and that they they'll they'll take the bait. I mean,

(11:09):
why why do they do that? It wasn't always this way.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
Yeah, you know, the media has never been fully trusted
in this country. But that's how it should be, right,
we should always regard the media same as the government,
with a healthy amount of skepticism. But the media used
to be a little bit more reputable. When they would
make a mistake, they would fess up, they would openly
acknowledge it, and they would even apologize. And now it's

(11:36):
about covering their tracks, right, which is why you will
never see MSNBC, CNN, the New York Times, Washington Posts
change what they're doing. They'll they'll never turn and hire
a batch of conservatives, which is really the solution to
their problems. They need to have more balance in their
actual staff so their coverage is more balanced. But they

(11:59):
hate that idea and they'll never do it, so they
do stupid things like rebrand.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, Cheryl, do you think we'll see anything different on
the new ms NOW compared to what we currently have MSNBC?
Is anything going to be that different?

Speaker 6 (12:13):
I would be shocked really if anything were to be different.
Like I said, the solution is so easy. Just hire
some people like Scott Jennings on CNN, right, you know,
there's a guy who really shakes things up, and kudos
for CNN for not firing him yet. But people will
tune in when they see, you know, differing viewpoints offered.

(12:36):
I think most Americans they don't care if somebody's biased
or not. They just want to know where that person
is coming from, and they don't want the person to
try and disguise their bias. And this is where the
mainstream media makes its mistake.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
It tries to present.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
Itself as if it's totally unbiased and you can trust us.
And meanwhile, everybody who works for them is far left lunatics.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
So you said earlier, I always thought there was left
of center bias in our news. I used to call
Dan rather Dan rather biased, and when I was young
and there was that, I think it's changed. I don't
think it's a bias any longer. I think it's propaganda.
I think that their spouses work inside that machinery. I
think their friends at cocktail parties are all hand in glove,

(13:19):
they all socialize together. So my question is, how do
you is there any way to have a real reset
If the people that are supposed to be reporting it
are so invested in the party and the apparatus that
is the Washington d C and the swamp, can you
ever get a fair shake? Will there ever be a
version of the media that is trying to at least

(13:41):
report both sides or try to be fair about things?

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Well, I think if we're going to hold out that
somehow these powerhouse media companies and corporations will come round
to sanity and start balancing their coverage, I think that
ship is sailed. But to answer your question, you know,
the optimism for the media field is out there. It's

(14:06):
alive and thriving. First, off elon Mosk with social media, right,
so we've got we've got our imprint there. Again, if
you look at what this White House is doing about
opening up to alternative sources of media and sort of
sending the narrative that you know, we don't have to
get our news from the Associated Press. We can bring
in bright bar, we can bring in the Daily Signal,

(14:28):
we can bring in all these alternative sources. That's great.
Then people with their cell phones, right, there are a
lot of you know, sort of grassroots journalists out there
that are changing narratives that the mainstream media is reporting.

Speaker 10 (14:41):
And that's all good.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, And Cheryl, how does the regime media or the
legacy media counter all this these new sources of information
that you just mentioned, because you know, we're just thinking
about the Bolton story today, You've got tons of new
media sites out there. They're giving more information as to
what the legacy media is thanks Giving news right now,
Can they even compete against them or should they even try?

Speaker 6 (15:05):
Well, I don't think that they can compete to the
same degree. If we're talking about you know, financial success,
competing and winning big on the financial success side of things.
But I think the American public are pretty good right
now about getting their media in more than one form.
You know, we may see the headlines from the Washington Post,

(15:27):
but we've all been trained in recent years to go
check out that Washington Post headline on X on social media,
on you know, the Hill, on the Washington Times, where
I write. You know, we get a whole bunch of
different sources now reporting on the same issue, where we
can easily within five minutes get a whole host of

(15:49):
different biases and opinions.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
She's the online opinion editor at the Washington Times. Cheryld Chumley, Cheryl,
thanks for joining us and enjoy the weekend. Thank you, Cheryl,
Hey you to thank you.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
All right, all right, more coming up the Rod and
Greig Show and Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine
k n RS.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
One of the things that is happening, but this is
kind of an on a longer arch, is the ESG
nonsense and how I think the pendulum really has been
turning back the other way and this, you know, what's
we'll ask our guests what ESG environment, something in governancebility.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, and State Treasurer Marlo Oaks here in the state
of Utah has really been one of the leaders in
this effort. I mean it was years ago that he
started pointing this out, saying, do you know what this
is doing. I think he went up to the hill
and said, just be aware of this. This what's going
on with these companies in the SG of right.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
He had an editorial in Wall Street journalis worrying about
too because it was basically a social score for corporations
to b qualified for loans and bank access bank services,
which was getting pretty scary.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well, that bubble apparently is now starting to burst, and
that's why we wanted to talk to our next guest.
His name is James Copeland. He is a Senior Fellow
and director of Legal Policy at the Manhattan Institute. James,
how are you, and welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I am great, and thanks for having me explain.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
What ESG is for the audience who may not understand
exactly what ESG is all about, if you would.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Certainly, it is an acronym for environmental, social, and governance,
and those things aren't necessarily all the same. I mean,
the environmental and social issues tend to be sort of
policy related issues that may or may not have some
relationship to the company's bottom line. But it's you know,

(17:37):
shareholder activists trying to pressure the companies in this or
that way, or divesting and not investing in companies on
those bases. Governance is more how the board is structured
and things like that, which may be much more appropriate
for investors to be worrying about in these sort of
policy issues. But it's really become a sort of backdoor
way to regulate these companies without going through the normal

(18:00):
channels through Congress or even regulatory rulemaking.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
So that's so all those things, whether it's the environmental issues.
I mean, business was supposed to be a political It
was supposed to be just about the bottom line and profit.
They started getting engaged in all that. Maybe share How
has that pendulum swung back? I mean, do we have
these ESG scores? Is it influencing the ability for companies

(18:25):
to bank? The one I think of is the oil
and gas industry. There's becoming a time where they weren't
able to get loans, they weren't able to insurance was
getting harder because there was a social opposition to the
extraction of oil and gas. How are those things changing?

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Well, there definitely was a major push in that direction,
both from activists as well as you know, during the
Biden administration the government, which sort of took a total
government approach to environment and climate sorts of issues. But
the companies that stood firm have done better in the
market than the ones that sort of capitulated to that

(19:03):
or tried to run with the pro environmental crowd as
oil companies. And so I went through this in my piece.
You know, Exon Mobile sort of an example of a
company that largely resisted these ESG mandates. VP the British
company British Petroleum, rebranded itself beyond Petroleum and moved aggressively
towards this net zero climate goals. And when you look

(19:25):
at their stock price over the last decade, Exon has
generated a thirty three percent return for shareholders and VPS
lost twenty four percent. This really started to come to
play about three years ago. There was a sort of
a long stretch there where the ESG activists could sort
of have their cake and eat it too, because the

(19:46):
tech industry was going gangbusters. Oil companies were under pressure
certainly during the pandemic, and then when that flipped and
interest rates went up, and you know, the oil industry
came back. You really saw a lot of these funds
losing their shirt, which is why we've seen a major
pullback in terms of investment in these ESG funds over
the last two and a half years.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
James, how costly has this been to the American economy?
Has anyone been able to gauge that yet? As the
cost of this whole ESG manium may have cost the
American economy.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
We don't know for sure, but as I pointed to
in my in my piece that was just published, we
do know some things like a ten dollars increase in
the price of a barrel of oil tends to reduce
gross domestic product overall economic growth by between a tenth
and three tenths of a percentage point, which may not

(20:38):
sound like a heck of a lot, but when you
aggregate that out of the whole US economy, it's a major,
major cost. You know, we're still importing a lot of
oil in part because we've limited this industry, and you
know that's every year we're losing about two hundred and
seventeen billion dollars in domestic energy value. So there is

(21:00):
a real cost to this, and that's really just scratching
the surface in terms of this oil cost because really
all the businesses are having to having to worry about this.
We reallocated assets in the wrong direction. Pension funds, including
public pension funds in many states, probably not Utah, but
in New York for sure, have been trading along these bases.

(21:22):
And you know it's ultimately going to hurt the taxpayers
of those states because they're gonna have to make these
pensioners whole.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, they are, James, fascinating an article. Thank you, and
enjoy the weekend. Thank you very much, Thanks so much.
All right, work on our news micro line that James
coupland he is with the Manhattan Institute talking about the
ESG bubble bursting in. You're right, Marlow Oakes did a
lot of the legwork on this just to make people
aware what actually is going on, that these banks were

(21:49):
not allowed We're not giving loans. They weren't They weren't
allowing investments to take place.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
The d banking that was going on.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
It wasn't just big business either, small the small business
owner which makes up the heart and soul of this
entire COMMO and Utah's especially, they were being they were
suffering from d banking, and it was a it was
a very aggressive movement that was happening.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Good to hear it starting to turn around. We'll see
how fast it can turn around as well. All right,
more coming up. They're Rod and Greg show with you
on Talk Radio one oh five nine okynrs A couple
other notes. Greg, we were talking earlier about the switch
from MSNBC to ms now. No one watching m snow,
No one watching. I like that, no one watching? Now

(22:31):
comes this report today? Where's this? The free Beacon who
is a great news source. By the way, CBS hemorrhaging
you ready for this? Fifty million dollars a year facing
impending cuts to right side the network? Fifty million dollars.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
I thought Colbert is losing forty or something or twenty
or third forty.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
I I don't know. It sounds like.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
How often do you watch network television anymore?

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I don't. No, I take that back.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
NBC has this streaming station called Peacock, and I do
watch some shows.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
But that's streaming, that's streaming.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
But I don't.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
I don't watch live broadcasting, yeah, at all, except for sports.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
We watch sports, But I don't think people watch network
television anyone. I don't.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I know, I have an interest in network television. The
shows are awful.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, and you know, if I want to, if I
want to watch it, I'm so used to now not
having to endure all the commercials. I just buy the
streaming and I'll pay a little more so I can
watch Peacock without commercials.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, and you're still living in the eighties because you're
you're just feasting on.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
I'm in having I I've been on buying all the
all the seasons, but you know there's so many, because
it's twenty two episodes a year.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Just in season three, I'm almost finished with seasons.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
They don't do twenty two episodes anymore, do television.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
You got to wait a year and a half, two years,
and these got these they're so weak. They do like
eight episodes or ten at the most. And it's just pathetic.
Twenty two.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
It used to used to crank those outs, like fifty
two weeks in a year, and uh, and.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
You're working in twenty two.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
You got twenty two. You get it was beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Times where it is today hemorrhageen fifty million dollars per
year as CBS the Tiffany Network is what they used
to call it.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, I miss I miss the.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Eighties because well you're still living.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah I am. It's like a time machine. I love
Miami Vice.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I play folks.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
I played a song that one of the episodes opened
with Little Bob Seeger song. I wanted Rod to hear
it because my advice always played good music.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Oh would you agree that everything is faster in life now?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Except one thing? What?

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (24:34):
What's not faster?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
I don't know. Airline travel.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Is it not? I don't know. I never traveled when
I was young. I have nothing to compare.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
New data is showing a three hour delay in twenty
twenty four was four and a half times more likely
compared to nineteen ninety. Really, I hate being delayed in flights.
Well the nuts.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
If JFK airport, if you if you have a, if
you have a if you're going into that airport and
that's not your final destination and you have to use that,
I swear it's that high that you will have a
delay at that airport.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
The airport is unbelievab.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Well, they've got new video stuff. When we came back
from Switzerland this year, I was amazed. It's how easily
we got through, true Jfkow. Of course we're Americans.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
No, I'm American. I always have a passport.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
We hold you off all right, words you cannot use
if you're a Democrat. We'll talk about it.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Neck.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I mean, you can't write this. It's so it's so comedic.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
But I but when you do this, you skip over
the fact that the walls, what the stock market went
crazy and went really well today because.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Because Powell came out and said, yeah, we'll probably cut
rates and stem.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
So that's a big win, big big win you've got.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
I mean, I just there's just so much going on that,
you know, I don't know where to where really to start,
because it's just a lot of good news.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
The president the president today, Greg held a news conference
in the Oval Office. Is all about World Cup soccer
and coming to it's coming to the United States next year.
But he said something that I kind of cringed. That
what he said. He said, I may take up soccer.
That's what he said. He said, you know, I look
pretty good in shorts. The mere thought of Donald Trump

(26:19):
and shorts mister president, he's a good Yeah, he is
a very good golfer. Stick with golf.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's a bad idea. Actually, I bet he's
saying just to scare. I think he just doesn't patrol him.
He just wants to get a rise out of everybody.
And then I think it was said in the news
that so interest rates or not. Actually the Wall Street's going, well,
we had a really smart color on a talk back
a while ago, say, you know, our interest rates for

(26:48):
mortgages are different than you know, your auto loans or
your credit cards, and so the market can bake in
an interest rate drop in the mortgage industry or for
your mortgage quicker than you'll see it, and official fed
dropping interest rates by you know, so many basis points.
I think you may see that with this, with this speech,
which would be good. But then you have a Canada

(27:09):
which all the experts, which I think experts just is
code for people that don't know what they're talking about.
All the experts said that these retaliatory tariffs that Canada
planned to impose upon the United States was going to
have was going to be a come up in for
the United States. Canada today has announced they' and I can.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Do any of that.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Well, we aren't going to do We're gonna play nice. Yeah,
so they had so we got that going for you.
Every which is nice.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Every country in the world, greg including China, knows they
need the United States.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
They do.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
They want to be buddies with the United States.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Isn't it sad that Biden never understood that some of
these dopes didn't understand that we were actually in charge
of all this, that people need us more than we
need them. Yeah, I mean, we really do.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
And it's some of it.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
He's a globalist, Yeah, he never yeh. And he learned
from Obama, who's also a globalist. So they never realized that,
you know, some countries are just better than other countries.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
I'm for zero tariffs across the board, so long as
it's across the board, and I'm talking to developed nations. Yeah,
I'm not talking the third world countries. I'm saying, if
you're a developed country, uh, and you have exports you
want to send to us we have. You have your
imports you want to send us. We have our exports
we want to send to you, as long as we
treating each other the same in terms of tariff or
no tariff, huh, then we've got ourselves a deal. But

(28:21):
if it's one, if it's a one way street, hit
the road, I don'tly. I can't even believe we put
up with that for as long as we did.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Now over the years, as we've watched the Democrats just
get stranger and stranger and more extreme and more extreme,
we didn't think it was possible. Greg, and I have
always thought, you know, let them just keep digging the hole.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
They dig faster. They think I'll get out of this
hold a whole if I dig faster. Yeah, okay, so you.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Do that, you know. And they're they're doing things like
they're trying to find someone to be a Joe Rogan,
a liberal Joe Rogan. They have done that as of yet.
That that you know, they years ago, Greg, when when
talk radio became as dominant as it is today, they
tried to do a liberal version of talk radio. I remember,
didn't work. Air America didn't work. All you had were

(29:07):
these you know, So they've tried now as a result
of what they saw during the twenty elect the election
last year, now they're trying to be more Trump like.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, that's what that's what that clown Gavin Newsom's trying
to do right now.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, they're they're putting out goofy videos, which I don't
recall Donald Trump every doing putting out goofy videos. You,
I don't remember that. And they love the use of
the F bomb. Yeah, if they can drop the F bomb,
they are really cool and young people will come back to.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Vote for Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
And look, I'm probably not the person to be lecturing
anyone about being a swear bear. I probably have been
poor in my choice of time and place in my
language sometimes, but I will say this, I have never
sought a podium or a microphone or a or or
have been performative about those moments life. And that's what

(30:01):
I think these democrats are. I don't think these are
words that slip when they get up, when they get
a little bit upset. This is performative. This is in
front of a microphone. This is them using that language
on purpose in a way that you know certainly isn't professional.
But I don't think they're serious people.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Well, the centric's left group they're called the Third Way,
has put out a document. I love how the document was.
Here's the title of it. Was it something I said,
that's the name of the document, and it argues that
to please the few, which I think the Democrats have
been doing for a long long time, they have alienated

(30:40):
the many, especially on cultural issues where language sounds superior, haughty,
and arrogant. Democrats, Do they sound superior, haughty and amigrants
are No.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
I don't think they sound I think they are. Yeah,
I think they are absolutely haughty and elitist and arrogant.
They are to their core, So they sound that way
because they are that way. So what with this study
has done is said, this is how we trick them,
so they don't know that we think so little of

(31:12):
mankind and that we think so little of everyday Americans,
and we look our nose down and we have to
stop using words that give us away.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Well, really, truly, that's what this is.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
This isn't a change your mindset, This is a change
your vocabulary so they don't know who you are. That's
really what it's saying.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, yeah, well, shall we share some of these works
sorright here are a couple of the words they don't want.
They suggest that Democrats no longer use privilege violence as
an environmental violence dialoguing triggering, othering. I've never heard that othering.
I haven't heard that microaggression.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yes, I've heard that.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, yeah, holding space, body shaming, subverting norms, symptoms of oppression,
cultural approbation, appropriation, appropriation, I'm sorry overton, window exit, existential threat,
radical transparency, housing insecurity, Uh, person who immigrated? My favorite one,

(32:13):
A birthing person.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yes, gotta get that one in.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I dare anybody out there to walk up to a
woman who is obviously pregnant right now and say congratulations
on being a birthing person. Then duck because she's gonna
swing and hit you right in the nose.

Speaker 11 (32:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Cist gender, Uh what else? Dead naming patriarchy l G
B t.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Q I A plus Yeah, that that acronym just keeps growing.
So they just put a plus sign there saying more
to come.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
More to come? Or is Dave who's the Dave Chappelle
calls them the alphabet people. Yeah, that's true, your way.
I like that. Incarcerated people inmates and voluntary confinement. You're yeah,
voluntary confinement means you're in jail or in prison. Uh
and I don't see so yes, So these words here's

(33:07):
here is when I read these words, and they are
meant to stop saying these words because they are leaving
people with the impression that they are enforcers of the
of wokeness, which they don't want you to think about them,
That you're that you're you're a therapist's therapy speak, all
that other stuff.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
If you take these words out of their vernacular, they
have nothing to say. There's not a thesaurus. I don't
know what they're going to find to replace these words,
because triggering is all they talk about, uh, you know, microaggression,
body shaming, uh cist, gender cist, gender privilege. I mean,

(33:49):
these are this is their heart and soul. This isn't
just the words they use. It's what they fundamentally believe
about the worldview, and it's it's in their DNA. What
words would they use instead of these words? God, I
don't know, because they're not saying, let's find let's in
a substantive way and our content, let's like look at
it maybe differently, so that we're gonna maybe consider some

(34:10):
different issues and it maybe be a way we haven't
looked at it before.

Speaker 10 (34:14):
No.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
No, they want them to keep all their world views
exactly as they are and by the way, when they
talk in this memo, the way they tell these democrats
to speak to regular people, they separate themselves.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
They are not regular people.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
They are still maintaining a separation, saying we want them,
those those people, those everyday you know minions. We need
them to not be offended by us, so we will
speak in a different vocabulary so they will not know
what we really think. It really is written that way.
It's not written like we are all agin this together.
We got to talk to each other in a way

(34:48):
that we can communicate stronger. It's all about how do
we talk down to them in words they will understand
and not be offended by it.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well, here's what here's where they're missing the point, I think, Greg,
it's not about the message, it's about the messenger.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Well, they for them, for them, and like it said
they said, their language sounds superior. They are hotty, and
they are arrogant. How many liberals have you run into,
and I've run into a lot over the years, Greg,
who think they're smarter and better than anybody else. They do.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
They want a socially engineer all of our lives. This
whole idea of you know, of freedom, of self determination.
They don't think that society is made up of enough
smart people to really make those decisions for themselves. They're
going to from cradle to grave, they're going to socialize,
socially engineer your entire life because they're just that much
smarter than you are. Yeah, yeah, so that's that's what

(35:42):
they're trying to do. And I just I find it
to be just like the topic before MSNBC. You're going
to re just rename it. You're not going to actually
look at well, you're going to just name it ms now.
You think that's a solution, not that it was just unwatchable.
You couldn't take the content out. You had to just
rebrand it and think you can trick people into watching it.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's amazing, it's pretty amazing. All right. Uh we all right,
we've got people waiting in on this, so we want
to open up the phones to you. We can talk
about words that Democrats shouldn't use any anymore, or anything
else that on your that's on your mind. To line
it is, thank Rod and Greg gets Friday number to
call eight eight eight five seven O eight zero one
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(36:23):
Rod or download the iHeartRadio app, put in kanarrest dot
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the Rod and Greg Show. Greg Hughes and I'm roder
ar Kent. You know in broadcasting we're controlled by the FCC. Right, Yes,
and there are there's a list called the seven Dirty Words,

(36:43):
and those are words I know that we can't use
on the radio.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Now, occasionally one may slip out, and you have to
be very careful.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Let me see that.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
No you I'm not gonna that the cough butt. No,
we have a delay button that you block that. Baby.
But now the an organization, a left of center for
sure organization called the Third Way. It's trying to help
the Democrats out and at they put out a hilarious
memo of words that they think the Democrats should use anymore,

(37:16):
because when they do, they found they find people find
them snooty and arrogant. And they put out a list
of words.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah, you know they say that to please the few.
We have alienated many, especially on culture issues, where our
language sounds superior, haughty, and arrogant. No, that's not true.
Is it is in fact true that you are. You
do think of yourself as superior, haughty and arrogant. You
have been talking down to everyone on culture issues everything else.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yes, so you.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Know the forty seven forty five words and phrases. It's
it's really not about the words and phrases, is it?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
No, it is. Let's go to the phones and see
what you have to say on this tonight we begin
them battleful with ted ted. How are you welcome to
the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 10 (38:01):
Good Raw and Greg. Thanks for having me on for
a minute. Hey, just a couple of really quick points.
So I don't take a long time. I tend to
take a long time on a cock. But anyway, the
one is on the the phrases or words that the
the that demo nerd thinks that they shouldn't use anymore.
What's crazy about this?

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Is it? Is it?

Speaker 10 (38:21):
It's is this if they quit using those words but
all of a sudden going to be popular and accepted
by by uh by uh you know conservative. You know,
it's like that's crazy. You know they're not going to
do it. I mean, can you see them going through
and editing all the air codes and what they're gonna
stand say, oh wait, let's edit this word out. This

(38:41):
raises raise the phrase especially existential threat. That was a
favorite phrase of small hair.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Them.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, yeah, they aren't going to they aren't going to
go through. They'll just go off the cuff. And and
Newsome he is him and Jasmine Crockett. No, they're going
for the record of f bombs, I think.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
And here's the thing is, like these words, if you
take these words out, they still want to make the
same point. I just don't know what words they think
they're going to use to do it. Okay, let's go
back to the phones. Let's go to Todd, who's been
waiting in provo. Todd, thank you for holding. Welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (39:19):
Hey, first of all, thanks, I love you guys, appreciate
your good work. You know, I did PhD studies and
family and this stuff was coming on and there's decades
of data. I got to tell you that talk about
optimal outcomes for kids come from having a good old
fashioned male husband father and female wife mother who sit

(39:41):
at the kitchen table, do homework, they pay their taxes,
they go to church, and those kids have what are
called optimal outcomes and they've got decades of data that
show this, but as they go who they ignore that
the decades of data says that the kids they do
better in school, they earn more money during their life,
and they have less crime, and they have less addiction.

(40:02):
And the crowning jewel is that they end up being
much much more likely to be able to create their
own successful future families with successful kids. And that's the
great news. But no one's talking about that because they're
trying to do all these lives and destructive stuff. And
it's just amazing to see how militant the left is.

(40:24):
I went to a general conference for PhDs and stuff
and professors and family science then in Phoenix, and they
had hijacked the board. They'd got one majority on there,
and so now all of a sudden, instead of promoting
all this really good, they're out there promoting all this
bad that's destructive everybody. And so that's the real deal,
is that people know what's moral and what's right in

(40:47):
your conscience and your heart. And when you follow that
in academia and government policy, things prosper and things go well.
But otherwise you don't. And right now, because of all
the anti family and the pro l G B t
q I A stuff which is, by the way, infertile
that you know, the whole world is in a demographic

(41:08):
death spiral.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, they are, Todd, Thank you. I appreciate that comment,
and I want to I want to add to one
point Todd was making. Why is it, Greg that politicians
in this country are so afraid to talk about the
importance of a family. You never hear a politician talk about.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
It, or they're doing what Todd says, They're going to
take the word mother and father completely out of the vernacular.
They're gonna they don't want to they'll be a it's
parenting or you know, it's they will take these roles
that you don't hear, responsibility, Yeah, you don't hear faith, religion.
These aren't words that they're saying that there's telling they
they don't want they there's all those things, all those words,
and all the all the formulas for success that were

(41:44):
described by Todd. The left doesn't want you to mention
any of them.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, they don't want to get involved. We got more call,
more calls, and more talkback comments coming. I'm here on
the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n R S.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Brandon has been waiting from Salt Lake City for quite
a while. Brandon, thank you for holding. Welcome to the
Rotting Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Hey, I was listening to what you're saying and all
the different things that they want to do.

Speaker 10 (42:09):
It sounds like my teenagers.

Speaker 13 (42:10):
They know it all.

Speaker 10 (42:12):
They're gonna tell me how to.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Do everything I can say.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
You know, I used to have a couple of those
in my household too, Brandon, but they've grown up and
they've become adults. Right, children, Yeah, they are a bunch
of children. You're right, Brandon, You're exactly right.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
I agree with Brandon. That's why I love going to
the callers. Thank you, Brandon. He's right. They are.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
They don't know how to change the content that the
the the the ideas that are not resonating with the
American people. They're not even interested in changing those. They
just have to dress it up differently, just like like MSNBC.
They gott to dress up differently. They don't want to
change anything. Just try to trick you. Okay, let's go
back to the phones. Let's go to Jim in Salt
Lake City Gym. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Yeah, thanks for taking my call off that fake word lift.
Uh they forgot to mention all the pronouns. Yeah, you're
supposed to use somebody's pronoun and uh, if you don't
use their pronoun you'll be canceled. That's what they used
to do. But I don't know. Maybe, uh, maybe that's

(43:18):
still in play.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
You're right, j it's not. It's not in there. It's
not in their list of naughty words.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Now, the forty five words and phrases they did.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Not, So thank you for sharing years with me.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
So I think Jim might have spotted a loophole. I
think they got some words they could still slip in there.
The pronouns.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, our governor likes to use those pronouns.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yes, yes, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Do you hear Glenn Beck go off on on Utah
this morning?

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I've heard, I've heard the rumor of it a lot.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Did he go on?

Speaker 1 (43:51):
You've seen it myself?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
And he had a listener call in and said, Utah
is getting the reputation and this is what we've warned
about greg of being the bluest ed state.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yeah, well, I well I was you know, I wasn't
happy when Blake Moore decided to go after uh, you know,
governor Governor Abbott, Yeah, Texas, Texas legislature, and even Donald
Trump on the redistricting he had he had to, you know,
wag his finger at the whole thing and disapprove.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
It.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Really bothers me that we were weak like that. But anyway,
I didn't I haven't heard.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
He went off. He went off as it was kind
of funny, you know. And going back to this these words, Greg,
I don't the words may matter to some people, but
what really is wrong with the Democratic Party? They just
can't talk about the issues that are important to the
American people. Donald Trump has grabbed that and holds on
to that and talks about those issues every day. Classic example, Greg,

(44:50):
who in America does not want safe streets?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
In America?

Speaker 4 (44:55):
How is public safety? Promoting public safety a partisan issue?
How is the eating lawlessness a partisan issue? These are
two very intuitive things that the American people want. They
want public safety and they don't want lawlessness. No, how
is that? How is that a partisan issue? These Democrats
somehow have made it that.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah. So Donald Trump goes out there and says, we're
going to take control of Washington d C. First week
in a very very long time, greg that they haven't
had a murder in the nation's capital. The streets feel better, Restaurants,
people going to restaurants. You know, the numbers are up
there now. They're going to be dispute people saying, well,
I don't know they aren't, but they are. You know,

(45:34):
Donald Trump seizes on the issues that are most important
to the American people, and the Democrats never have a
good response other than two call them orange ban bat
it's it's and that's what's so crazy. He's not on
the ballot.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
And and you know in.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Twenty eight, in twenty six or twenty eight, twenty eight,
and they don't they don't know what to say, what
to do. I mean, I just think it's an absolute mess.
And the things that they want to argue about. I
keep seeing every time I see ice or I see
in social media that them getting some degenerate criminal off
the streets. That's an illegal alien, but he's got crimes
against children, you name it. I just say that this

(46:12):
criminal is not oppressed, and enforcing the law is not impression. Oppression.
Let's have some more, Yeah, I mean, I I don't
understand how they can make that case and.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
How obsessed Greg has the media been with the Epstein files?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I know?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
And then and then what's your name is?

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Zell?

Speaker 6 (46:29):
Whatever it is?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
This says he was never in anything. He's been nothing
but a job.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
It's killing them, And I go back to but we
had a sound bite from Harry Anon from CNN and
they were talking about the issues that they are more
than to Americans, and he pointed out that that not
one percent, but only one person in the group that
they they hold said anything about Jeffrey Epstein. Only one,

(46:53):
not one percent, but one person, but the Democrat. They
just can't get it through their heads. All right, let's
go to the phones again. See would you have to
say on this Tonight we go to Mike in Salt
Lake City. Mike, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Gregg Show?

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Good good? I get a little confused about.

Speaker 11 (47:09):
Terminology and what uh woke actually means? Uh. The other
day on your on your show, a guy called up
and said he had he had visited the and Frank
House in Amsterdam. Now I've never been there, but he
seemed to think that the and Frank House was woke
and not really.

Speaker 14 (47:29):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (47:30):
Kind of set me off. What's what's woke about talking
about tolerance?

Speaker 2 (47:37):
You know, we we have been Yeah, we have been there, Mike,
thanks for your call. We haven't been there, so we
really don't know. But obviously this guy saw something that
went well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
It's born in. It's born in. If you're white, you're
the problem. Yeah, if you're certainly, if you're a male,
you're the problem. If you're probably if you're a Christian,
that's got to be a big problem. Every ill, every
every problem is our fault. We enjoy privilege, we enjoy
whatever it is. And so I think when I hear woke,

(48:09):
I always think that they're always going back to uh,
everyday Americans, of which you know, whoever they are, and
they're just looking for the worst moments in history and
they're taking whatever you look like, your gender, your your race,
your whatever it may be, your religion, and that is
that that is what fuels the things that have gone
so wrong in human history. And it's not true. I

(48:33):
find it incredibly well, it's just not intuitive. We would
never look at if someone committed this. Let's take it
right from the headlines. This this guy that they killed
tragically killed these officers. Is anyone going after his kids
if he has any and saying you're you're the fault,
it's your fault, or is anyone going to go after that? Guys,
they're not. It doesn't even it doesn't even cross anyone's mind.

(48:54):
So how are you going back hundreds of years with
people that have don't have a thing to do with
it and saying it's our fault.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
But that's that's all. They have to make victims. They
have to make the oppressed. They for them to succeed,
they have to find everything. There's the oppressor and the oppressed.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Yes, what they're doing, and it is a victim class everything.
You don't have standing to have an opinion unless you
are a victim of some sort. Now, I tell you, man,
Mormon's got run out of Missouri. I mean you could
be a victim right then that doesn't count. No, that's
a book of Mormon musical in New York. That's and
that's that's what they get to be religious bigots on
that one. They don't get you don't. You don't get
to claim any victimhood there. It's it's they get the

(49:34):
they get the playbook. Now What I find funny about
these words is that I never get the memo when
these words come across and you're now the words I use,
you're not supposed to use, and you're supposed to use
these illegal aliens. Another one, you say illegal aliens. Oh,
and you're you're saying, you know, you're the devil incarnate
if you say illegal alien, you can't.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
It's undocumented resident.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
All right, more coming up and more your phone calls
and comments on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine. Can We haven't had
much time today to talk about what happened last night,
but a judge in Florida ruling that Alligator Alcatraz must
be closed.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Messing with my Alligator Alcatraz. That T shirt you ordered, Well,
it's you know, here's my bet. We're gonna Alligator Alcatraz
is gonna be just fine.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah, it will be.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
But what is I actually when I saw this maneuver,
this legal maneuver, I actually liked it. And I'll tell
you why. They are using environmental laws, environmental impact studies, Okay,
and this is something that Utah's the state is bombarded by.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
These environmentalist groups.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
They go after these counties and they try they take
these laws that were you know, passed in Congress or
administrative rules from the EPA, and they sue under processes
of environmental you know, whether you can build some of
whatever you do. But none of it has to really
do with a good stewardship of the environment. All of it,
all the the the attorneys for the environmentalist groups or
these liberals, and these laws with activist judges are meant

(50:59):
to pursue a liberal leftist end, and that is what
Alligator Alcatraz is blatantly. They oppose deporting these illegal immigrants.
That's the political issue. They have an environmental issue where
they're saying, well, the Native Americans can't get on that
island if you have a wall there or a fence,
you know, meant to keep people from escaping. They have

(51:19):
to be able to walk across. The sounds of the
generators are going to disturb the wildlife. They are abusing
these environmental laws to try and achieve a liberal leftist
political end. It has nothing to do with the environment.
So what I hope happens with this is that everybody
wakes up in Congress, either reigns in or gets rid
of these laws because again is that it is on

(51:42):
display that these laws have nothing to do with the environment.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
They aren't being used to protect the environment. They're being
used for a political purpose. They don't like the idea
of Alligator Alcatraz. They think it's horrible. They don't like
the idea of finding people who are criminals and illegally
in this country today, detaining them and getting them ready
to send back. You don't but any any avenue they

(52:06):
can think of, greg they will use, and I'm talking
about those on the left to shut down projects like this.
I and descendant said last night, he said, we expected this,
We'll fight it. We expected it, so weren't too worried
about it.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
The Alligator Alcatraz will live to see another day.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
That's all right. Our third hour, the Ronning Gregg Show
is coming out, and stay with us.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
This is the final hours.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
We're seeing the barn.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
We're starting to get into a trot, starting to run,
run to the barn as we see it.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
It's coming.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Isn't that funny how horses do that?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Mm hmm, yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
If you're been a horse riding, you turn around and
start heading toward the barn. They kind of get a little, uh,
a little frisky. They're ready to.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Go a little pep in the staff.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. All right, let's talk about Cole.
I know, Greg, you have talked about this for quite
some time, the beauty of Utah Cole. Earlier this week,
sender John Curtis along with members of his staff, members
of Mike lee E staff, went down to coal country
here in Utah, talked about energy and then went and
toured to coal plant.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
It always drives me crazy.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
West Virginia for some reason, gets like the title for
having the cleanest coal, hottest burning coal. I'm sorry they
are a second to Utah. Utah really does have the
finest coal in this country.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, well true, sure do well along on that trip
with State Representative Carl Albright, who's joining us on our
Newsmaker line right now to talk about coal here in
the state of Utah. Representative Donald Trump's in office trying
to get Utah and the rest of the country energy independent.
How do you feel about their direction? We're going now
with Donald Trump in the White House.

Speaker 15 (53:36):
He just expedited the approval of the Skyline mine in Utah,
which was very important for production, but you know, under
the Biden administration, we pretty much shut down coal, coal plants,
gas plants, and it put the nation in a very
precarious situation as far as power generation goes. I'm happy

(54:00):
to see the changes. I'm happy to see the changes
from the Department of Interior, the EPA. It all trickles
down to success for Utah.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
You know you're not going to say this, but I
know a little bit of behind the scenes. I know
that there was a few years back where recom Mountain
Power is a subsidiary or subsidiary of Pacific Core and
Pacific Corp. Whether it's California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, they had
some ideas of wanting to get rid of coal fired
power plants, going to alternative energy. But they had this

(54:31):
genius idea that they were going to shut it all down,
the coal fired and the extraction industry. But they didn't
have its alternative power source or power generation in place,
and they're going to do it. I know represented that
you and legislative leadership held strong, is Rocky Mountain Power
calling you and thanking you for stopping them from making
such a disastrous decision. And I know that Utah was

(54:54):
a big roadblock and then being able to do.

Speaker 14 (54:56):
That, well, I don't know what they're called and thank me.

Speaker 15 (54:59):
But at the time, at the time, they were very
appreciative because we saw their integrated resource plan it was
all about wind, solar and batteries.

Speaker 14 (55:12):
We said no.

Speaker 15 (55:13):
As a legislature leadership myself, we said no, we're not
going that route. We're going to keep Hunter and Huntington open.
We're going to generate with coal. It's a good baseload fuel.
It's what's brought us low electric rates in the state
of Utah, and we're going to stick with it. And
so Sendor Sandal run a bill, I think it was

(55:36):
Center Bill two twenty four, and I rented in the
house and we gave him some new direction.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Representative now, my co host always loves to brag about
Utah coal. He says it's a great burning fuel, it
doesn't pollute, is completely different from other coal that you'll
find around the country. Is that true? Is he is?
Is he telling telling the truth of you filling my bootsful?

Speaker 15 (56:02):
No, he's not feeling your your boostful rod. Utah coal
is high bt U, very low sulfur. God blessed Utah
with some great coal reserves. And I'll tell you one
that's a sad situation is the the coal reserves on
the Plateau. When when Clinton locked up the Grand Staircase

(56:26):
National Monument that included the coal reserves and the largest,
the largest coal reserve in the in the world.

Speaker 14 (56:39):
And the sad thing about it was there was no.

Speaker 15 (56:45):
National reserve set aside in case we got in trouble
energy wise.

Speaker 14 (56:51):
So yes, you know, whether it's.

Speaker 15 (56:54):
Coal from carbon or emery or severe or even there,
what's coal if we could mine it is very high
and BTU very low and sulfur and that's what you
know makes our plants cleaner than any coal plants in
the country.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Representive switching gears, just a little bit natural gas. We
have goods. We have incredible reserves here. Questar used to
be our corporate citizen, our gas company here. Dominion from
Virginia purchased or acquired quest Star. I know it's been
the gas portion has been sold off to a different company.
But what I saw from when I was on the clock,
we were really bullish about our natural gas and its

(57:34):
reserves and what potential that brought us as a state
to be energy independent. As we saw as I saw
Dominion running its portfolio, I didn't know that we had
the same emphasis. I'd like to just check in now,
is what is the future of natural gas in the
state of Utah. Are you bullish about it or is
it one of those extraction industries that's mired in environmental regulation?

Speaker 14 (57:59):
Well a little of both, Gregg.

Speaker 15 (58:01):
I think natural grass gas has a real future in Utah.
Of course, IPPs building the IPP renewed Pad project at
the IPP location, eight hundred and fifty megawatts of gas,
but that's going to go to California. California did not
want coal, so their energy policy said, no, we're not

(58:25):
We're not burning coal for California. So they took a
nineteen hundred megawak coal plant and said, we're going to
build an eight hundred and fifty walk or megawatt gas plant.

Speaker 14 (58:38):
We'll do the mass. They were going to tear down
nineteen hundred megawatts of coal, and you know that was
just ludicrous.

Speaker 15 (58:50):
We by saving the IPP coal plant, and with Hunter
and Huntington and the Desret Bonanza plant.

Speaker 14 (58:59):
Utah as well situated going forward.

Speaker 15 (59:01):
Now we've got a lot of data centers coming that
want to come in Utah's growing, and one of the
reasons it's growing is our low electric rates. We have
the lowest electric rates and coal has been the base
load generation for those rates. Now I'm a little upset
because I P P never come to the state and said, uh,

(59:26):
give us, give us a price for gas. The gas
to operate that unit comes from Wyoming. So how does
that help our school goods?

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Yeah? Good point. Final question for your representative. You know
you you talk about our low electricity rates here in
the state of Utah, and we do have some very
low rates. How big of a challenge is it going
to be to keep them low? Do you think in
the future.

Speaker 15 (59:52):
Well, as you know, Rod, I passed the state's first
nuclear bill last session, Nuclears down the road Aways. We've
got a lot of work to do with that, but
coal is going to be that bridge. Coal and natural
gas to get us over that bridge to a new
fuel down the road ten twelve, fifteen years. I'm a

(01:00:15):
cold guy, I'm a gas guy, and I do know
I'm being realistic. Down the road and nuclear safe. God
blessed us again with uranium, all kinds of natural resources,
and you know, we've got to develop those critical minerals
that would, you know, help our security in the United

(01:00:39):
States with our military and all kinds of things that
we use critical minerals for. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm optimistic.
These coal plants rod Hunter Huntington and Deseret Bonanza Plant
and IPP have been well maintained through the years like

(01:01:01):
you would maintain a sixty five Chevelle super and they
will run for a long time if you maintain them.
And that's what we need to do to keep our
rates slow in the state, to have to help our
economic development and to see that Utah's positioned well in

(01:01:22):
the future until we get over that bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Good guy. I like Representative all break. He just he
tells it as.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
It is you can tell, right, And I love it
when a former colleague of mine who works so hard
on these issues and Utah has so much advantage, but
when we live up on the Watsach Front, we don't
really get to hear much of that conversation. So I
really appreciate his time walking us through kind of our
energy independence as a state. Forget country. As a state,
we are completely energy and independent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I like the low energy rates, the electricity rates.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Yeah, being around first spoiled.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
We don't realize unless you've been to another state how
reasonable our electric bills are.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
All right, more coming up, It is the Rotting Brake
Show on this Friday afternoon right on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine can arrests. You're still gidding about
John Boltensholme being radio.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Oh yes, I'm just I think let's talk at the
third hour. I'm ready to talk about this all day,
all weekend. I just think.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Just desserts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
That all right? Well, a story out today that one
point five million immigrants have now left the United States
so far this year. That's pretty amazing number. One point
five million have left volunteery have.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
It like that before? So yeah, I think it's it's
pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Good Well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Joining us on our Nunes Maker Line to talk more
about that is our good friend Victor Jakes. He's a
columnist at the Las Vegas Review Journal. Victor, great to
have you on this show. You said this may be
Trump's biggest immigration win. Yet why is it so big
in your opinion?

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Now?

Speaker 13 (01:02:45):
I think the biggest one is the decrease and the
number of people living in America who are foreign born,
and specifically who are illegal immigrants. So the what's happening
on the border is obviously incredible. He's brought new illegal
immigration down to almost zero, but it hasn't just been that.

(01:03:06):
He's actually decreasing the total number of illegal immigrants in
the country, and a study from the Center for Immigration
Studies put the number at a staggering one point six
million person decreased in the number of illegal immigrants.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
So what would you would you attribute that to self
deportation with I've heard Christine Noman. I'll say, if you go,
if you go on your own, there's a shot you
can come back into this country through legal means, but
if we catch you, you're never coming back. Is that
the motivator that's getting that number down, that number, decreasing
that number?

Speaker 13 (01:03:41):
Yes, I think that's a huge part of the motivation.
And I think it's important to notice that there is
a carrot and the stick. That the carrot is just
as you said, you know, if you leave that they'll
actually pay you one thousand dollars, they'll give you a
Blaine ticket, They'll they'll help you leave the country, and
they'll they'll leave that door cracked open for you to
come back. And then there's also the stick part, and

(01:04:04):
part of the stick has been showing in high profile
videos on social media on the news what it looks
like for people who stay here when they're here illegally
and get deported, and that they may be sent somewhere
that they don't want to go. They may have to
stay somewhere like Alligator Alcatraz. And then another thing that's

(01:04:26):
happening is the Trump administration that is actually finding illegal
immigrants who have a final order of deportation who aren't leaving.
And so there's a big financial penalty for people who
stay here illegally, and you know that they can rack
up thousands of dollars of fines in a month, and
again that not only is costly financially, but if you

(01:04:49):
ever had any hope of returning back into the country,
the government's not going to be like, oh, yeah, you know,
you have this bill for one hundred and twenty thousand dollars,
We're going to let you back in. It's not going
to happen. And so that the Trump administration has taken
a lot of flak for these videos, these dehumanizing videos
showing what they're doing to illegal immigrants, but those have
served in a really important purpose, and maybe illegal immigrants

(01:05:12):
think I don't want that to happen to me. I'm
going to get myself out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Victor, This news for most Americans, I would think would
be greeted as great news and good news for the
American people. Well, why do I think the Democrats are
not happy with this? Victor? What's going on with the Democrats?

Speaker 13 (01:05:29):
Well, you're absolutely right, they've been very upset about it.
There if I can just tangent for a little bit,
The New York Times had a really interesting piece talking
to Biden Trump voters, and they asked one of them,
you know, why did you leave the Democrats? And he said,
you know, Democrats are just fighting for They asked him

(01:05:50):
how they could get him back, and he said, if
Democrats fought for Americans, and it's just like, that's the
perfect encapsulation. Democrats have turned almost all of their focus
on protecting illegal immigrants instead of protecting Americans. And I
think part of that is they saw these illegal immigrants
as their future voters. That in amnesty was inevitable. It

(01:06:10):
was going to happen. It's just a matter of when
we get as many millions of people in the country.
Those people believe that the Democrats were the ones who
gave them American citizenship, and they've got loyal Democratic voters
for decades to come. And then you look at the
other reasons that you know, I think the Democrats are
very upset about all the illegals leaving. Is what happens

(01:06:32):
with the census, what happens with reapportionment, redistricting. And you've
got states like California, New York, New Jersey where their
populations are artificially increased because of illegal immigrants. Now, it's
also true that red states like Texas and Florida have
illegal immigrants. But what the other thing that's happening is

(01:06:53):
that illegal immigrants tend to live in blue cities. And
when you draw the lines, what matters isn't number of voters,
isn't the number of legal citizens, It's the number of people.
And so you've got these districts in these dark blue
cities like New York Los Angeles that are a lot
smaller because the population numbers are boosted by illegal immigrants.

(01:07:18):
And so Democrats are really being set up to lose
quite badly in the twenty thirty census. If the Trump
administration can keep this effort up and deport even more
illegal immigrants.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
So you know, the regime media is just stuck. They
want to stop this. They want to put as we're
a bad spin, They want to create a chilling effect
on the deportations. But they really stepped in it yesterday
when there was a very prolific and widely taped apprehension
of an illegal alien. He was crying, I just want
to be with my family. I just came here to work.

(01:07:52):
It looked very sympathetic. He was taken away and Wolf
Blitzer and I mean, you name it. Everyone says, this
is just herbing and we don't even know if this
person's here illegally, we know nothing about them, And they
went into this very emotional h this is a victim.
And then it came out that this guy was a
degenerate had was accused, I think convicted of an aggravated

(01:08:15):
sexual assault against a minor.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
That aggravated means under twelve years old.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
The rap sheet on this guy was so despicable that
all of the regime media that had been crying about
it erased their ex posts that they put on there.
They are all trying to to backpedal right now? Is
that just a stump? Are they just going to keep
going the way they are? Does that show them that
they got to look before they leap?

Speaker 13 (01:08:40):
Well, they they do need to look before they leap.
Am I confident that they will learn this lesson? Absolutely not.
I mean, you think about all the coverage of the
of the Maryland man, you know, who was actually you know,
most likely involved in human smuggling and you know, always
just a father.

Speaker 12 (01:08:58):
And you know the.

Speaker 13 (01:08:58):
Amazing thing about these video is you think you think
someone would realize criminals? Why?

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
You know, It's like it's like when someone's.

Speaker 13 (01:09:06):
Being arrested and it's like I can't breathe, you're breaking
my arm. It's like we're just gonna pause and be like, oh,
the criminals said it, it must be sure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:09:14):
I mean, this is why you got to fact check,
this is why you've got to go and find out
what's actually happening. And I think you know, by and large,
this is why the American people no longer trust the
propaganda press because they they've been burned time and time
and time again. And now we have places, obviously like
talk radio, but also social media to go through and

(01:09:36):
say Yeah, what the media told me and what actually
happened are two different things. I don't trust them anymore,
and I think we're seeing that more and more.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Victor jas He's a columnist for the Las Vegas Review Journal,
talking about Donald Trump's biggest immigration win yet, big wins.
When you say, Greg, I think wins. Yeah, big wins.
All right, more coming up on the Ronning Greg Show
in Utah's talk radio What Oh five nine ca r
s a lot of great guests on a lot of
great issues that we talked about. Greg, And we know,
even though we would like everybody to listen to the show,

(01:10:07):
to listen to three hours a day, they can't do it.
You know, things do happen, and that's why we do
our listen Back Friday segments.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
For a second time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
There was a second time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
This second we listened to all of our segments, of
all of our hours.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
They do ye hold our whole audience, the whole audience. Yes,
they never go away. Well, just in case they do,
we do listen back Friday. We select a couple of
newsmakers and issues we've talked about and replaying for you
on this Friday evening. You know, school got back in session.
I think most of the schools are now back in
session around the state and there are a lot of

(01:10:41):
challenges out there, but one of them deals with mental health.
And Representative Stevie, you listen who you know you worked with.
As a matter of fact, in the familys has really
been the driving force I think in many cases when
it comes to mental health and schools and Safe ut
app and Live on Utah, the Suicide Prevention organ and
we talked to a representative Elison earlier this week and

(01:11:03):
we asked them about the new options schools have when
it comes to dealing with a mental health of students.

Speaker 16 (01:11:09):
It's a very timely topic. We know that once kids
are back in school that the mental health issues often escalate.
We know the bullying, increases, relationship issues, academic pressure, we
see an influx of children into emergency rooms.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
And the good news.

Speaker 16 (01:11:31):
Though, is that the state a lot of this under
At the time Speakers hues leadership the state is put
in place. Before I get to that, though, I'd like
to talk about something you all just touched on, which
is mental health screenings, which is legislation that we've passed
in Utah and we have about ninety percent of our

(01:11:53):
school districts doing this now probably a little.

Speaker 10 (01:11:57):
Bit different than Illinois.

Speaker 16 (01:11:58):
Ours is completely voluntary, and in fact, there has to
be written parental consent to do it, and typically it's
done you know, after school hours, that kind of like
a parent night with written parntal consent, and they have
to partner with a local community health mental health provider.

(01:12:19):
And in the past two years, we've screened over sixteen
thousand children and about half of those kids have been
referred to either in school resources with their counseling center
or to clinically based mental health resources. Now, just to
kind of, you know, challenge the thinking a little bit,
if you think about it, when we were kids, they
march us down to the gymnasium and they screen us

(01:12:41):
for vision, they would give us hearing tests. There's some
schools that's screened for scoliosis or even dental screenings. But
if he's add all the issues together that we screened
for in schools and have for decades, none of those
issues take children's lives in Utah. Suicide is the leading

(01:13:01):
cause of death for our children, and we know that
depression anxiety are real issues that are quite easily identified.
If they're screened for, and most mental health issues emerge
during the adolescent years, so the sooner those issues can
be identified and treated, the outcomes are so so much better.

(01:13:22):
So the top resource that I put on the list,
just in terms of what we were just talking about
our mental health screens, something that we've had around for
a long time. Of course citizen US is very familiar with,
is safe ut. This is a program that any parent
or child can download and that gives them twenty four

(01:13:44):
access to a licensed clinical social worker at the Hunt
and Mental Health Institute. They can do it anonymously. It's
always confidential. There's two parts of safe Ute. One, students
can tip send in safety tips. This might be about
a friend who's considering suicide, or maybe a student who's

(01:14:05):
planning to bring a gun to school.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
We've gotten a.

Speaker 12 (01:14:07):
Lot of tips like that in and been able to foil.

Speaker 16 (01:14:10):
Some very scary school safety situations. So they can send
these anonymous tips in. But the other part of the
app is a crisis chat where they can speak with
this either on the phone or through the chat in
the safe ut app, speak with the crisis counselor Over
the past three years, on average, we have about a

(01:14:32):
million back and forth conversations every school year, every year
between students and clinicians. What a lot of people don't
know is safe UT is for parents. Also, they can
download it they say.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
I'm a parent.

Speaker 16 (01:14:47):
They can chat anytime with these crisis social workers that
can just give them advice on maybe some signs they're
seen in their kids that give them cause for concern.
And so that's a a free resource. Something that just
kicked off that very few people know about is we

(01:15:08):
now have a youth crisis Receiving Center in Salt Lake County.
Any base in the state is welcome to use it.

Speaker 10 (01:15:15):
It's basically like a.

Speaker 16 (01:15:16):
Twenty four to seven emergency room for youth mental health issues,
so they can avoid the costly bill of going to
the emergency room that is at the Hunts and Mental
Health Institute. Inner Mountain Healthcare is opening up a similar
facility on September sixth in Taylorsville. So those are going
to be great resources for parents that have a child
in crisis where they normally might take them to an

(01:15:38):
emergency room, take them to a crisis receiving center. One
other thing I'll just mention two lessings we have youth
protection seminars that we've had for probably twelve years in
the state. Every district pretty much offers those. That's a
kind of back to school night only for issues that

(01:15:59):
parents should be aware of, and they share lots of
resources there so they can contact their local district to
find out about those. And probably one of the last
things I'll mention, there's one easy thing that every family
with children, every family is that matter, but particularly every
family's children can do. And if they would do this
one thing, it would cut our use suicide rate in half,

(01:16:23):
probably overnight, and that is to safely secure their firearms.
People like myself own firearms to protect our family, but statistically,
if somebody in the family dies from a firearm, it's
going to be that firearm and it's going to probably
be suicide. And too many people learn about that after

(01:16:43):
it's too late. So trigger locks are readily available, biometric safe,
lots of things we can do. It just takes a
few minutes to protect our kids.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
We're speaking with Representative Steve Bee Lilsten. He's a long
long serving lawmaker. I served with you. You actually said
me down and help me understand the magnitude of this issue.
I had young kids at the time where life is changing,
social media has a larger part in it. You're a CPA,
you love numbers, You're a You're just a numbers crunchy,
you love mass I think I heard you say a

(01:17:15):
million conversations. My head's having a hard time getting around
that number, so maybe I misheard it. But if you
are like you are, you are highly knowledgeable in this issue.
You have fought for kids and for these mental health
issues that really are growing. I would love to know
our return on investment. I'd like to know what we've
how we've how you how how the state has moved

(01:17:36):
the dial to protect kids. Even by statistic your numbers
that million conversations numbered or stat shakes me. I think
maybe I heard you wrong. But just share with our listeners.
Give us some return on investment on what's happening that
we should be pretty grateful for.

Speaker 16 (01:17:53):
Yeah, those are great questions, Greg. So the million conversations
that that's a thread, So you just said something, I
said something that would be two threads, so it's parts
of conversations. Nevertheless, it's still a lot of communication. Here's
the really good news. And I just looked at this
data today from the Utoon Medical Examiner. Just in the

(01:18:14):
past two years, are use suicide rate is down forty percent.
If you go back over the past six years, it's
down about twenty percent. So we can calculate, you know,
the investment that the state has put into these resources,
but you know it's the return on investment is priceless

(01:18:34):
because there I firmly believe many youth of life today
because of these programs and awareness. You know, it's up
to parents to protect their children. We tried to provide
those resources and education so parents can play that critical
role with helping their children for these difficult times. But
there is no offense or but's about it. We have

(01:18:54):
seen significant return in investment on these efforts.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Representative fun of question for you. All these programs at
yel line sound like terrific programs. Are you confident though
that word and the availability of these programs is getting
out to everybody in the state of Utah or does
more work need to be done in that regard?

Speaker 11 (01:19:16):
We need to do a lot more.

Speaker 16 (01:19:19):
I was on a plane not long ago, sit next
to a doctor and teacher who were married going to
a conference, and I was going to speak at a
conference on these issues. They didn't know what nine eight
eight was, they didn't know what safe ut was. I'm like,
just another reminder. Oh, we got to keep getting the
word out. So I appreciate you letting me talk about
these things today. We need to continue to make parents
aware of these things because they're out there and there's

(01:19:42):
so many wonderful people willing to help if parents can
just get connected with them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Representative Steve e listen here on the Rod and Greg
Show in Utah's Talk Radio one h five nine can
or ust He's a hard work. He's not a lot
of good work in this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
That's a good egg there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
I'm going to tell you we are lucky to have
him on the job and looking at these issues. And
I mean, it takes many years to get where we
are as a state. We've moved a lot, there's a
lot of progress, still a lot to be done. And
represent Bulissen's he's a machine.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
He keeps working on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
This need to has for sure. All right, more of
our list back Friday segments coming your way.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
I said, it's like an Easter egg hunt and walking
around find a treat.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
You know a lot of you kids, you talk kids
up there a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Of volunteerism going on in this state. We don't know what.
The young people are just energized.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
I don't understand why, but boy boy, they just want
to give, give, and when it hurts, give more. They're
just out there ready to clean up the place.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Well, Donald Trump is ready to launch a campaign, has
already launched it about our museums and making sure the museums,
the great museums that we have in this country, especially
in the nation's capital, mention the positive things about this
country occasionally and not always so negative.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Yeah, I'm only like three weeks away from having seen
this myself and been outraged ever since. So this is
timely for me. It's timely for this country to get
this right. That's why I'm glad that the president's doing
what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Liz Speak, a columnist with Fox News who's a freaking
guest on the show, joined us this week to talk
about that effort, and we wanted to get her reaction
to the President trying to clean up the messages that
he's seen at the Smithsonian Museums.

Speaker 17 (01:21:11):
Well, because that just upsets the liberal narrative that America
is responsible for all the bad things in the world
and none of the good things. And obviously what you
have is just an incredible bias. I wrote recently about
the Smithsonian. President Trump wants the Smithsonian as we get
closer to the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary this signing

(01:21:34):
of the Declaration of Independence to celebrate our nation.

Speaker 18 (01:21:37):
It doesn't mean, by the way.

Speaker 17 (01:21:39):
That you can't acknowledge that there are slavery years, which
were obviously terrible. But then let's talk about the fact
that so many people went to war to free the slaves.
I mean, that seems like a pretty balanced presentation. But
I have to say I am pretty inured to the
whole left wing narrative and all the dei stuff that

(01:22:01):
rolled out under President Biden.

Speaker 18 (01:22:03):
And people should remember.

Speaker 17 (01:22:05):
That was one of his first executive orders was that
every single agency of the federal government had to become
an agent for diversity, equity, and inclusion. That's not a
right wing talking point. That is something that actually he mandated,
and every agency took it seriously, perhaps none more than

(01:22:27):
our nation's great museums. The Smithsonian is twenty one museums,
and also the National Zoo. And a I said, as
I started saying I'm pretty inured to reading stuff that
offends me, but I rarely see something that really shocks me.
And when I went to investigate the Smithsonian to see

(01:22:48):
what all the fuss was about, of course, the first
thing you look at is the mission statement, and the
mission statement the museum says, covering all twenty one museums,
is to quote or the history and legacy of race
and racism in the United States and globally. That is
literally their mission statement. The purpose statement is to increase

(01:23:10):
the diffuse and diffusion of knowledge about the history and
legacy of racism while building pathways towards the more equitable
shared value. I mean, that's a pretty extraordinary thing to
kind of wipe out all the prior mission statements, which
had to do with expanding our knowledge, talking about our country,
et cetera. But this is what has come down to,

(01:23:32):
And I got to say, I think President Trump is
one hundred percent correct to be outraged by this and
one hundred percent right in trying to correct it, particularly
at a time when we're celebrating our nation's past.

Speaker 18 (01:23:44):
I mean, there are a lot of things.

Speaker 17 (01:23:46):
Our country has done right, like combating fascism and World
War two, and opposing the Soviet Union and basically winning
the Cold War, all kinds of things that have lifted humanity,
improved the lives of tens of millions of people, and
some of that, you know, some of that should feature
in our in our museums.

Speaker 18 (01:24:07):
It's ridiculous, you know, Liz.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
I was so happy to see you defend the president's
you know, opinion and post that he wants to clean
this up and get this right. And what you said
is exactly right. And as Rod mentioned, I was back.
My son did an internship in DC, so we were
there to pick him up come back home. But he's
shown us Capitol Hill like he ran the place, which
I loved. But we went as a family to the Smithsonian,
and to your exact point, they got a jersey of

(01:24:32):
Roger Staubach, you know, famous Heisman Trophy winning quarterback for
the Cowboys, and the robe of Muhammad Ali. And the
only thing you should know, according to the placard, was
but one supported and served the war, and one opposed
and lost all his belts because he opposed the Vietnam War.
And that is what you need to know about those two.
I didn't really Yeah, And then Barnum and Bailey circus.

(01:24:52):
Did you know that the only reason it's popular in
America was because we were colonialists and we just wanted
to take over the world, So we really loved a
circus that would let us think we're doing that. I
thought it was the pure weet that the elephant did.
I love the animals as a kid. I give those
examples to say this. I'm watching all these young people
and they're reading these placards, and I'm just thinking to myself,
it's just a crime, but this is what they're taking

(01:25:14):
from this nation. Will the president, in your mind, be
able to put a hard reset on this and show
our history in its grandeur, in its uniqueness in this world,
in human history. Is there a way to do this
in the time that he.

Speaker 17 (01:25:27):
Has, I surely hope. So let's hope he has four
years to get this done. First of all, frankly, he's
got to get rid of the top guy who is
a very race conscious first blackhead of the Smithsonian. Clearly
he has taken as his mandate to put racism at
the center of every exhibition, everything they do. I mean,

(01:25:50):
it's really pretty extraordinary. And I went through some examples
and by the way one of the things. And I
should have called the museum on this because I'd love
to hear their explanation.

Speaker 18 (01:26:00):
Viewership is down, I mean the number of visitors.

Speaker 17 (01:26:03):
It was forty million people in two thousand and two
and last year it was sixteen point eight million.

Speaker 18 (01:26:10):
So something's not working, right.

Speaker 17 (01:26:11):
I mean, maybe people don't really want to have all
this indoctrination fed to their kids, because that is the
biggest challenge. That is the biggest scary thing to me,
is that our kids are going to grow up, by
the way, in an AI dominated knowledge world where most
of the stuff that's getting into the AI database is

(01:26:34):
pretty left wing. I mean, if you're downloading the New
York Times and even Franklin I'm sorry to say, the
Wall Street Journal and all of the Washington Posts and
LA Times and all these resources, Guess what is going
to come up when you say, tell me about Ronald Reagan.
It's probably not going to be very flattering, right, And

(01:26:55):
I think people need to become extremely alert to the
danger of turning over of educating our kids not only
the left wing museums and schools, but also to the
knowledge that's going to come to them when they push
the button on chat GBT. And do you know, by
the way, how many people are now using chat GBT

(01:27:17):
on a regular basis. This will blow your mind. And
this is why this is so incredibly an important topic.
Seven hundred million people your There has never no, there
has never been a faster updake on a new technology.
And by the way, I wrote many months ago about
thank God for Elon Musk on many fronts, but also

(01:27:38):
the fact that he's creating Grock, and I hope that
Elon Musk spends a little time trying to figure out
how to make Grock a true a more truthful teller
of for example, our nation's history than chat GBT, which
it's if it's coming from Google and so forth.

Speaker 18 (01:27:56):
You know, it's not going to be very good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Boy. I hope he does that.

Speaker 14 (01:27:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Yeah, we have our warts, but this is still the
most amazing country in the world. And I'm glad Liz
could talk about that, and I'm glad Donald Trump is
trying to do something about it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Yeah, you don't become the lone, lone world superpower by accident.
This is an incredible country. We're blessed to live here.
So much good to report so much good that our
young people need to understand so that we keep it going. Yeah,
and also talk about the things that we had wrong,
that we're getting wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
We're correct, that's right, you're right. All right. Well, it's
been a great week. It's been a lot of fun
again this week.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
The news just doesn't stop. I just can't wait. I
have no idea what's.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Going to come next, but it's going to be fun
if I'm sure of it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
That's what makes it fun. Head up, shoulders back. May
God bless you and your family, this great country of ours.
Have a great weekend, everybody. We'll talk to you on Monday.

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