The Rod and Greg Show: Violence Against ICE Agents; Utah's Housing Crisis

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Frank Layden's passed away.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
You know, I was going to say that, but I
don't know if it's sad. I think it's in celebration. Sure,
it's a better ran Layden. I mean, he's ninety three
years old, and what a character this guy was. Absolutely,
I mean, you know, even at a time when the
Utah Jazz sucked, yeah, and they did, you know, he
was able to bring you know, he made it fun.

(00:21):
He was more than a basketball coach. He was just
a personality.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
You know, he's been so omnipresent in Utah since I
since I arrived in ninety one that when I heard
the news, I was I was shocked. But then he's
ninety three years old. That's a life well lived. That's
a I mean, that's your You're well within your right
to call it a day. But I just, for some reason,
I just he'd always be around. He's always been around.

(00:45):
He's just omnipresent.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
So yeah, well, if you're just checking in the news
today that Frank Laydon died today at the age of
ninety three years old. Longtime coach at the Utah Jazz,
moved into the front office when the Jazz and all
their success, I only interacted with him, I think a
couple of times. I don't recall that very much. I
mean he helped years ago in a couple of things

(01:07):
that I was involved in. Nice guy, but Era, Era,
would you get on the microphone because Era, you know,
did sports radio with Chris Tunas a well known name
for a long time time, and Era you were telling
us that he would come in and do a show
an hour every week with Tuner and just nice guy.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Right, yeah, yeah, so he would come in, he and
his wife Barb would come in every Friday morning during
the Chris Tuna Show and uh and do an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
And it was never sports.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
It was always about you know, whatever charities they were
working with or other things, but very rarely was a
sports oriented but just super wonderful people, very nice people.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Now, e Ray, you have it, you had it. You
brought you picture for you. You were a radio guy
at a sports radio place. You were a fan, you
were a fan a kid watching an open practice. I
you tied, I like this story, share our listeners. How
available the Utah Jazz were for those in the know,
and how you got to see and meet Frank Laydon

(02:05):
even as a kid.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, so I first met Frank when I was boy.
I was probably thirteen or fourteen at the time when
he was the head coach of the Jazz. You know,
every team and they still do it. NBA teams have
a shoot around every game day morning. The players will
go to the arena in the morning, they'll get game plans,
they'll shoot around, get loose, and then they go about
their day and come back later in the afternoon. Well,

(02:28):
those are now closed to everyone except you know team
the team, but back then, Frank would open those two
fans and it was a pretty well kept secret. There
wasn't a lot of people ever at these shoot arounds.
But when I was a kid, if they had a
home game on a weekend, my friends and I would
jump on the bus and ride downtown to the Salt
Palace and go in and watch the team practice. And

(02:53):
it was really cool because at that time, you know,
there wasn't a lot of people there, and you know
NBA sports cards and like the baseball card, basketball cards,
and at the time, you know, other teams would other
teams wouldn't always let you stay, but they would always
give you access to their players before they would kick
others out. So I have basketball cards from back then

(03:15):
autographed by wow a ton of NBA graate. So I
got pictures with Larry Bird and Doctor j and Charles
Barkley when I was a kid, and you know, all
the jazz players and autographs on tons of cards. I'll
have to bring those in and show them to you guys.
But yeah, just and Frank was the only one that
would do that. And you know, I got to know
Frank a little bit. Then he kind of kind of

(03:35):
learned our names. Not a ton, but a little bit.
And then you know, Jerry Sloan was around, and he
was always super nice.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Before you know, he took over.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
And now once Jerry took over, those that came to
any and those practices were no longer open.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
But he didn't need yours running around.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
You guys running around anymore. He ran Let me ask you.
Wasn't there a real dispute when when Frank was coach,
Adrian Dantley was here. A young kid by the name
of Carl Malone came along. Frank really liked him. Didn't
that cause friction between Dantley and Frank At the time,
as I recall, remember the full story at that that
was eighty six or eighty seven. I remember when Frank

(04:12):
stepped down and that and Frank stepped down shortly after
that whole thing took place. But yeah, Dantley was uh,
I think Dantley at the time, Let's face it, Adrian
Dantley was a very selfish player. Yes, I don't think
he really liked the fact that Karl Malone was taking
a lot of his touches, and so yeah, he had
some words with Frank and I think Frank Frank was

(04:35):
he fined Adrian Dantley. I remember this. It was it
was thirty dimes.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
It was thirty pieces of silver with some reference to
the Bible.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
He did that.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
But yeah, shortly after that.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Dantley was traded and and and uh, Frank had stepped
down and Jerry Sloan took over.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Now and Carl Malone became a pretty good player.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, I think I think he held his own.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, Carmelone held his own, didn't he It was all right,
It wasn't bad. Yeah, I think the.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Roster spot, I think I think the moves were right.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I think when he played twenty twenty or twenty one
years and the Hall of Fame and the third or
fourth leading scorer of all time. Yeah, he I don't think.
I don't think Frank screwed that one away.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Nah, not too shabby.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
No.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
One of the great power forwards of the game in
Karl Malone, but Frankline were celebrating his life. Died today
at the age of ninety three years old. His character
such a character. He was Hey, from New York.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
So he had that accent, you know that he from
that that New York City accent about him. And yeah,
and I'd seen him around town. I used to drive it.
He used to drive a nice big Cadillac.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I like cattle, you know.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
The funniest, the funniest thing I remember Frank Ladon ever
doing on a floor. I want to say it was
either eighty seven or eighty eight. They were playing the Lakers. Yeah,
and I don't even remember it was the first round
or second round of the playoffs. But I remember pat
Riley at the time was the coach of the Lakers,
and he show known for being you know, the slick
back showtime. He was at mid court arguing about something

(05:56):
with the officials, and Frank walked up and said something.
Pat Riley said something to Frank, and Frank took out
a comb and slipped back his hair right in the
middle of the game, right in front of Pat. Absolutely hilarious.
I can probably find the video. That's how Frank was.
He just didn't take it all too seriously.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I sure didn't. That's a great story. I never heard
that story. So well. We'll talk more about Frank Layden
throughout the show today here on The Rotten Greg Show.
We've got a couple of the guests that are coming up,
Mike Lee.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Yes, good guess, absolutely, Jason Chafits not too shabby, too shabby.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
So it's a great lineup today. And we're also going
to be talking about about how the media and they're
burying this story on the attacks against ice agents.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yes, and we're.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Going to get into that. As I mentioned, Mike Lee,
we'll talk with Troy Walker, the mayor of Draper City.
This article earlier this week about the housing crunch some
of the challenges facing us when it comes to finding
affordable housing for people here in Utah. So we've got
all and we may touch on the enjoyment of a
family vacation.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
It's July, It's it's that summer vacation season. How how
did those family vacations work.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, you have a theory, Well you have a system.
I do get into that.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I even call them family trips, not vacations, but family trips.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yes, how the Huge family spins these family trips? You
don't care, You don't. You just don't like calling them vacation?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Well that was would that would that would vacation? Sounds
like it's fun. Yeah, so we don't. We want to
be accurate in the Huge Home about what we do
as a family. We have a family trips.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know. One thing I wanted to bring
up before we break this. Are you aware this story
that's circulating that this this, this just tragic flooding in
Texas over the weekend may have been caused by cloud seating.
Are you Are you hearing that that that theory.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I've heard the theory until you told me. I didn't
even know clouds. I didn't know. I thought I thought
that was a conspiracy theory. I wasn't even sure that
was real. Apparently it's real, and uh, but to what
extent I don't know I if cloud seeing is real?
Other than all I can think of is chemicals getting
thrown off above me, which I can't stand the thought of,

(08:18):
But then why do we still have droughts. I'm so
confused by the whole concept.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, apparently they do do cloud seeding to provide moisture
for farmers. I know. I can't believe you didn't understand
what clouds n man.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I thought that every time you see those lines in
the sky and they say, oh, look it's all the
it's all the cloud seeing, I thought that was just
I thought that was tin foil hat stuff. But no,
it's real. No.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Well, apparently there were there were some conspiracy theorists out
there saying the people who are doing the cloud seating
along the Guadalupe River put down too much of it
or whatever and cause the flooding. Not true, it's been debunked,
but it just kind of some of the more crazy
theories that are coming out.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
But I learned the cloud seating is real.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
They've used it out of this trust.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I only know this because you said it to me.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
You have they.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Used cloud seating out solely International Airport when we had
the foggy days.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, why does everybody know this? And I don't both
of you say that so a matter.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Of factly, it's it's common knowledge human.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Beings are crossing, are making it the.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Precipitation they drop out of the sky like freezing rain.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah yeah, but it drops moisture.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Like this sounds very draconian. This sounds terrible to wow.

Speaker 8 (09:30):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Does everybody do it? Is there just a Utah thing?

Speaker 8 (09:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
There are other states that well, example, they do it
down in Texans. I know that to bring rain. Huh man,
where have you been living?

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Man?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I thought the dies and the food was bad enough.
Now we've got the Now we've got seating the clouds.

Speaker 7 (09:49):
Great.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
All right, more coming up on the Rotten Greg Show.
It is Wingman Wednesday. What other things do you not
know about? We're don't have to educate you all.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I'm afraid I don't know what I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I thought that's coming up on talk Radio one oh
five nine kN rs. It's sad. We have ICE agents
who were out there under the direction of President Trump
and under the direction of Tom Holman, who are saying,
you know, and the American people are saying, we want
to get rid of these people who were here illegally,
especially the criminals. So that's what they're doing. Yet all

(10:20):
of a sudden, they're the targets of violence. Greg. We
had two incidents over the weekend, one of course in
Texas where and I don't know if it was an
ICE agent or a police officer was shot in the neck,
but it was around an ICE detention facility. You had
a story coming out of New York where this guy
was threatening to kill every ICE agent that he could see.

(10:40):
But where's this story and where's the median covering it? Greg?
They'ren'enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
No, these are stories that if different, If there were
just different variables to this, and if the regime media
could appoint the someone right of center to this type
of act of shooting federal agents, you'd have a very
different wald Wall coverage, is my theory.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Well, joining us on our newsmaker line to talk more
about that as our next guest, Beth Brilliant. She is
any elections correspondent as a federalist, but wrote about this today.
That's how are you? And welcome back to the Rodin
Greg Show. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Hey, great to be here. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
We're talking about Yeah, why getting any coverage?

Speaker 5 (11:21):
I think it's because the media doesn't like who the
victims are. The victims are ICE agents, and that that
does not fit in with their narrative. They want the
people who oppose ICE to be the heroes here, and
so they're just kind of downplaying it. They have to
cover it, of course, you know. But all they're doing is,

(11:44):
you know, if you're not a reporter, you don't know
that the Department of Justice puts out press releases and
then we can look at the same court documents that
any citizen can find online, and so we can just
a news story based on that, or dig a little
bit deeper, use a little critical thinking and say, who's

(12:07):
funding this, who are these people? Do a background check
of the people involved. Although I will say the people
involved have very limited digital footprints, so they've hidden themselves well.
But I think it's not getting attention because the ices
are the ICE agents are the victims. Also, in Texas,

(12:27):
it was a police officer that was shot, but I
was certainly involved, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Best. What I learned about a lot of blue states
and a lot of Democrats is that they love to
use the use efforts of force. They like to get
the law enforcement or National Guard out there. During twenty twenty,
if you didn't hit the curfew by ten pm, they
had people marching through the streets. They would chase moms
and kids out of parks, couples off of beaches. They
would do this through law enforcement, very heavy handed. But

(12:54):
now you fast forward to twenty twenty five and you
have federal agents who are enforcing federal law people that
are breaking it. Most times, gang members are those that
have committed heinous crimes. How is it that that this
media didn't have a problem in twenty twenty with what
was going on there, but have made it a humanitarian
crisis to identify and deport illegal aliens and criminals. How

(13:18):
how how does that even? How does that work?

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah? I don't know, you know why why it works
that way, But you know, we have some hints here
like or today they're calling for again unmasking ICE agents
at a time when they're being attacked. I mean, if
any moment they should have their faces covered. It's they
need anonymity at this moment when they're being attacked over

(13:46):
and over and over again. But they're you know, they
are on the bandwagon of let's remove their masks. We've
got politicians and the left all all saying this and
it makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
How important is it in your opinion that the American
people really get an understanding and learn who these people are.
I'm talking about the ten people down in Texas who
went after the ICE agents there. I mean, their pictures
have been displayed, but is anybody digging in to find
out who exactly these people are and what fed them
into wanting to do this violence against the ICE agents.

(14:23):
Why isn't that being looked at as well?

Speaker 5 (14:24):
Beth, Well, that's a good question. There are so many
unanswered questions, and I do think we need answers that
we want to know who's bank re named this group.
You know, they had a ton of guns with them
and body armor and radios and reading material. I don't
think they were reading that night. And you know they

(14:47):
were super organized from all over the state of Texas.
They weren't neighbors, so how do they get together? These
are things we need to understand because they're you know,
they're going to keep copying this, then they're gonna duplicate this.
This is we need to know. Are these events connected

(15:08):
and who is behind it? We need If we don't
know who's behind it, then are how are we ever
going to make it stop?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, that's for sure, Beth is always great chatting with you.
Thanks for a few minutes of your time on this tonight.
Thank you, thank you, thank you joining us on our
newsmaker line. That's Beth Brilliant. She is with the Federalist
talking about this. I want to play this audio sound
body Ragi just shared with me. This is representative Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Are you okay, I'm sitting there.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
You're ready for this?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, she claims that all this violence is not coming
from Democrats. Where is it coming from Maga?

Speaker 9 (15:46):
The violence doesn't come from Democrats.

Speaker 10 (15:48):
Just to be clear.

Speaker 9 (15:49):
I mean, obviously anyone can be a criminal, but it
is MAGA. It's specifically magaffection. Like I don't think traditional
Republicans are getting a engaged in all of this. But
like even when we look at and they don't talk
about the assassination attempts anymore that took place with Donald Trump,

(16:09):
but these these were Trump supporters right as well as
this most recent situation.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
They tried to.

Speaker 9 (16:15):
Flip it and say, oh, the leftists or I'm like
this doesn't make sense, right, But it's only like MAGA
that does this.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Wow, they were not Trump supporters. They were and though
the people that the ten people they are arrested. They
were ambushed the ice facility. That they're not They had
pamphlets and and this all the stuff was left of center.
They're leftists, they're nuts.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I I don't like to use the word stupid, but
in this case it applies.

Speaker 11 (16:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
I don't know if she's just stupid or crazy like
a fox. You lie that bad. I just something is up.
I mean that that's just it's not true. And and
the fact is that I am convinced that the left
only knows how to go to violence and how to
invoke fear to get their way. That's the that's the plan.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
A Congressman Jason Chapins will join us next on the
Roden greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n R S.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
And it is Wednesday, by the way, Okay, mav all right,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
That's why you're in the back seat.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I'm the so called navigator of this plane.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, it came out yesterday that both Komy and John
Brennan James Comy and John Brennan are under investigation now
for their role in the Russian hope story. Couldn't happen
to a nicer couple of guys.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yes, overdue. But you know, we've known this about these guys.
You could smell them coming a mile away for a
very long time. So I'm happy to see this and
that there are targets of an investigation. I just don't
want to get my hopes up. Yeah, I'm going to
temper it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, Well, we'll see what happens in courts they're being
accused or they're being investigated for misleading Congress about the
whole Russian Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now,
former Utah Congressman and now Fox News contributor Jason Chafits
as well aware what's going on here? Jason, where is
this going to go?

Speaker 11 (18:10):
Well, finally, we look, we've known about their uh, the
perception that they have deceived and lied to Congress and
the world quite frankly for a long time. And so
for the Divernment of Justice too now saying hey, they're
starting to do a more serious formal inquiry is you know,

(18:32):
I don't know where it's going to lead, but you
just have to roll the tape, I mean, and look,
there are others within the justice the departments that have
highlighted these these people, as you know, overstepping their bounds
when they've made such comments. So I hope they take
it seriously. You know, color me a little bit pessimistic.

(18:53):
How many times have I seen an inspector General or
Congress recommend somebody for prosecution within the torment of justice
and it just doesn't happen, and even though I think
it should. But you know, I'm glad it's happening. Am
I optimistic that it will come to the type of
conclusion it said?

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Eah, you know that was going to be My question?
Is I feel like Charlie Brown kicking trying to kick
the football and Lucy keeps pulling it away because yeah,
we're seeing there's an inquiry either target of a criminal investigation.
But I just think these guys have gotten away with
it for so long. I just I am pessimistic as well.
Is there a particular charge or whether it's perjury in

(19:32):
front of Congress? If it's a conspiracy. I think Brennan
was speaking about this issue, probably inaccurately up until twenty
twenty three. So some argue there's a five year statute
limitation there that could take them to twenty eight. So
there's still time there is there any of these charges
or any of these at least allegations that you're hearing about,
that you give the most credit that if something were

(19:52):
to happen, this is where justice would be served.

Speaker 11 (19:57):
I think when you go and you affect your signature
to a FISA warrant to surveil somebody in this in
this case the Trumpet uh, you know, campaign, then you've
taken it to a whole other level. And I think
if if the courts were ever going to stand up
for themselves, if Congress is ever going to stand up

(20:18):
for themselves, if justice was ever going to prevail, you
just can't lie to a federal judge. At least that's
the world you and I live and do. We all
know if Rod did that, he'd be behind bars in
a heartbeat, right. But but you know, it just doesn't happen.
Like two weeks ago that the Inspector General had recommended

(20:39):
an FBI agent overseas was using his office and resources
to engage in prostitution. That he was. He was, and
that's a very serious. It was just an allegation. But
the Department of Justice, like I've seen dozens of times,
came back and said no, we're not going to prosecute. Now,
this is very but if you're signing a piighter warrant

(21:03):
and you're telling the judge that you have cause to
go so far as to surveil somebody secretly, I think
that's a whole other level too. And I think you
can demonstrate that they should have known or they did
know that what they were attesting to was faulse Jesson.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
I've got to think there's some penalties here when it
comes to Lyne to Congress as well. I saw some
video earlier today. This is the hearing several years ago.
Trey GOUTI, I mean just basically asked John Brennan have
you seen evidence of any connection between the Trump administration
and of Ladimir Putin? And Brennan just says, yes, I
have seen evidence of this, and I stand by what

(21:43):
we're investigating. I mean, that's a bald face lie Jason.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (21:48):
Look, it happened to be paid for by the Hillary
Clinton campaign ten million dollars and so much so that
the intelligence community knew it was false. They had discredited.
All they had to do is ask, you know, when
you ask the simple question, it was very quickly evident

(22:09):
that this was not the case. They were doing these
things for political purpose to and affect an election, So
you would think again, the standard would be even higher,
particularly given their positions, their roles, and their responsibility, and
you know that's what we entrusted him to do. What's

(22:30):
interesting in this case is I don't understand why Clapper
has suddenly fallen off the TV screens here, because it
was basically Brennan, Clapper and comy like it was some
you know, bad personal injury. You know the law firm
of Brennan, Clapper and Kobey. You know you've been injured,

(22:52):
call this number. You know it's a billboard out on
IWBO fifteen.

Speaker 12 (22:55):
You would think that that's.

Speaker 11 (22:57):
But somehow he's not involved in that. I figure out,
for the life of.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Me why, Because I think he's a confidential informant. That's
what I think.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Here's a name that I hear. I wish now here's
the name I don't hear, but I hear us talking
about a lot, and that's President Obama. There's a lot
out there that says that he was far more aware
of and helping plan an intelligence report that would come
out and would be completed before Trump took office. This
is after he won. Where's where is his role? Is

(23:28):
his role ever going to be highlighted or is there
going to be anything that's done about President Obama. I
don't believe you'll see him, you know, thrown in the clink.
But how much of this is going to splash on
the former president?

Speaker 11 (23:41):
Well, you know it happened under his watch. You know,
they're pretty clever about not having their names associated with it.
I don't know whether he was involved not involved. I
hope with this inquiry signals is that we're going to
take a deep, deep look at this and are there
communications that were going from the White House to a
CI director. My guess is the answer to that is

(24:04):
probably no. And that's exceptionally hard to prove. What I
think is easy to demonstrate is how the Clinton administration,
through a guy named my Mark Elias, who was the
fixer for a whole lot of things in the world,
could he potentially have been involved and engaged. I mean,

(24:25):
there was a flow of this ten million dollars, and
you can't just as a campaign expense chalk it up
to legal fees if it wasn't a legitimate campaign expenditure.
Was it a campaign expenditure? And what was their expectation
with this flow of money? And so you know that
a lot of that money went overseas. Emanelli again, still

(24:48):
needs to be sorted out and proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
But that's the allegation. That's that's why the investigation's happening.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Former Utah Congressman Jason Schaffin's joining us on our Any
Hour News Make a line, you know, Greg. John Brennan
has now responded to this.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah he has, he should Maybe he shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Well, yeah, maybe he should. We'll let you hear that.
Come in coming up on the Rowden Greg Show on
This Wingman Wednesday and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five.
Die kayn arrest. I'll worry everybody. I'm rod our kid
great back, be back with you on This Wingman Wednesday.
Isn't it interesting Greg, that now the investigators are being investigated.
How they do not like it? They don't like it.

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They don't like being investigated.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I believe it. I don't know what's happening. Why they
look at us?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, they'll investigate. Well, the of course, all report out
by the CIA last week revealed new details about the
failure of US intelligent community's assessment of the Russian influence
in the twenty sixteen campaign. Of course, the investigation is
now underway into James Comey and John Brennan as to
their role in this. Barack Obama is somewhere there, but

(25:54):
we aren't sure where yet. This is Brennan, who appeared
on of all places, MSNBC, and his reaction to the
investigation now being targeted towards him.

Speaker 13 (26:04):
I keep thinking, Okay, this is the authoritarian playbook. We've
seen this play out so many times, and unfortunately, I
think we're seeing it play out. And a number of
academics and writers have pointed out Carl Schmidt, who was
a German jurist, political philosopher and writer in the nineteen thirties.
His thesis, which Nazi Germany and you know, basically took up,

(26:25):
was don't worry about doing something that is ethical or
principled or good or right. Do whatever you can to win.
Vanquish your adversaries, vanquish your enemies. And unfortunately we have
seen that happening overseas. We've seen it in victor Orban
and Hungary, We've seen it with blabra putin. We see
it in China, the places we see it also in
terms of you know, some of the foreign policies of.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Being implemented, including you know, in the Middle East right now.

Speaker 13 (26:49):
So I really am very worried that what we're seeing
now in this chapter of American history is a sad
deterioration of I think, the respect for the rule of life, law,
for our system of government. And if a president unized
States is willing to weaponize intelligence and justice and law

(27:09):
enforcement investigators and the people who head up these departments
and agencies are willing to bow to it, we really
are in deep, deep trouble, which was why I think
so many people are worried about the direction this country
has taken.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
I can't believe that just came out of his mouth.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
He just described the entire attack and an effort to
take out President Trump during his first term and then
between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, everything they did
to that man Brennan just described. And I just, folks,
if you listen to the program yesterday, one of the
things I just want to draw your attention back to.
We had a critical interview with Margot Cleveland she's a

(27:46):
legal correspondence with a correspondent with the Federalist and I
really like her stuff on X because she really follows
the court cases where they're trying to leftists or trying
to thwart President Trump at every move. She has looked
at documentation and related to this investigation. And she was
the one that brought up to us yesterday that President
Obama was completely aware of this, instructed Brennan and these others,

(28:10):
these other characters to to put this intelligence community community
assessment together, Intelligence community assessment together, and that the that
the veteran people withdrew from that political process because they
were uncomfortable with it and this was way off bounds,
out of bounds. So Black Black yesterday at six thirty five,

(28:30):
we interviewed her. If you go back to the podcast,
listen to it. Compared to what brand says, they don't match.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Up totally different. All right, Hower number two, Well, the
Rod and Gregg Show on This Wing Men Wednesday is coming.
You're I brought our.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Kit citizen Greg Hughes. You know, I think that two
issues that I'm quite interested in have converged together. They're
kind of the same issue. But I have been fascinated
with Alligator Alcatraz. I love, I love it.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I think it's you want us to go down there
and do a show.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
I do. I'd rather go there than mar A Lago,
I am so. I just love the ingenuity. I love
that Governor DeSantis found this thirty square mile airstrip in
the middle of the Everglades, well protected and isolated for
an ICE facility. I love how in two weeks he
was able to put that together. But I think that
is converging with the violence that you're seeing with ice,

(29:18):
sadly with ice officials federal officers now. And when you
don't have a place that's separated like that that you
need an airplane to get to, that don't have alligators
guarding it, this is why you should start staring at
places like an Alligator Alcatraz, because you have ten people
hiding with very sophisticated gear to ambush and kill ICE agents.

(29:43):
Law enforcement gets pulled in, Local law enforcement gets pulled
into these issues to address the violence that's going on
around these ICE facilities and with these ICE federal agents.
And so I think that we're watching something that we
got to take inventory of and talk about and really
document that this violence is real. It's seven percent increase

(30:04):
from what it was before. Yes, you are not a
victim if you are breaking the law, and if you
are enforcing the law, you are not an oppressor. And
that's what the regime media, the leftists and all these
nut jobs that are going after these federal these ICE agents.
They're trying to perpetuate that the criminals are the oppressed
and or the Yeah, the pressed and the and the

(30:26):
the criminals are the victims, and the ICE agents are
the bad guys or the oppressors. It's it's upside down.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, the question I have Greg, and this is the
case of what happened in Texas over the weekend with
the attack on the ICE detention facility there. We read
yesterday how well they were equipped.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yes, okay, yeah, Where did.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
They get the money to buy that equipment? That equipment
and the vast the helmets, everything they had. Where did
they get the money to buy that? I mean, you
know these guys, the ten people, and you've seen many
of you have seen their pictures. They certainly don't look
like millionaires. The equipment is not inexpensive. So my question
comes back, who is out there funding these attacks? Yes,

(31:11):
these are not organic grassroots movements. These are well funded.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Even the pamphlets and the flags and the things that
they found in their cars when they've ultimately apprehended them,
these are they're published, they're printed, they're made. This is
this is all highly organized, highly funded. Even those bags
that those Fara day bags they talk about that that
hide the GPS and and keeps all that very very

(31:35):
as you say, very very sophisticated and across the country.
It's it's not just in one place. It's not someone
that's some rich guy that's helping a few people do it.
This is something that is Uh, they're really coming after
this effort to remove illegal immigrants in a very violent way.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well remember remember in the La riots just a couple
of weeks ago, the guy who pulled up in a
pickup truck and had a pickup truck those masks and yeah,
those masks are passing them out. He's been charged by
the way they found him and he's been charged with this.
But where is that money coming from? Let me tell
you what there is something's going on in this country, Greg.

(32:14):
I believe it's an underground I'm not sure what it is,
but it is threatening the very fiber of this country today.
They're using immigration and the debate over illegal immigration as
a way to do whatever they can to disrupt this country.
And something's going on here. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist,
but folks, look at it this way. Where's that money

(32:37):
coming from? Why is this organized? I mean that attack.
They planned this attack out on the ICE detention facility,
you know down you know, they're shooting off fireworks to
draw the people out and then running. They had the equipment.
Where is this all coming from?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
You know, one of the one of the well, we
have some breadcrumbs that we can follow. Thanks to data Republicans,
she's done a phenomenal job of following where the money
comes from and those that and there's a couple of
different interests. It's not all from one single source. The
No King's protest that came out that had its source
of fund you know, Soros type funds. But interestingly, the
people that I and I think these are the people

(33:14):
that are funding the the ambushes of the ICE agents.
It's this this Neville Singham who's the billionaire who has
the ties to the commun communists. This guy he funded
the La riots he's the one that funded those palets
of those of those masks and those helmets. He's fled
to China, and now you have a you have a
story that's come out where they're where they're looking. James

(33:37):
Comer's trying to bring him to testify to Congress about
what his role and to the questions you're asking, they
want him to testify in the oath in Congress. He's
hiding and so now they're looking to seize his assets
in or freeze his assets in the United States until
he wants to come and explain how he is participating
in this because it is his resources that I think
are finding their way to these people that are in.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
And now we have this story about to you Senators Booker,
Corey Booker out of New Jersey and Alex Padilla out
of California, who now are calling for the unmasking of
ICE agents.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Now they think people who are criminals have a right
to know who's coming to arrest them. Apparently, so this
is this is.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
A fundamental question I have and and and I think
there's no middle ground for this. If you know that
there's a seven hundred percent increase in the violence committed
against uh, these federal officers, these ICE agents. And you
know that they when they didn't have masks on, that
they were being docks and their homes were being publicized
on social media, and that their family members were being threatened.

(34:41):
Uh and that and and the argument for covering their
faces is because of this organized effort we just described
is looking to go after and create fear amongst those
agents to to to create a chilling effect on their
doing their job or not wanting to do that job. Well,
you either know that that's why they're hiding their face
so they can perform the duty and force the federal law.

(35:03):
You either know that, and all you're doing if you
want their masks taken off is you want to help
promote and succeed in stopping ICE from doing what you
so you're one of the willing to participate participants in that.
Or if you don't want those masks on those ICE
agents face, then you're ignorant and you are unaware of
the danger that they face. That increases every single day.

(35:25):
It was like not long ago as five hundred percent,
I thought five hundred percent is a pretty big number
of violence to go up. It's now up to seven
hundred percent if you have to, the only way you
could say that there was some genuine interest in taking
the masks off of these officers would be that you
are completely oblivious to the danger and the organized effort
to stop these agents and harm them and their families

(35:47):
and their home residents. If you don't know that, then
maybe you have some dumb idea of why you want
that to happen. I don't know about Corey Booker and
Senator of Padilla. I don't know if they're ignorant or
if they're complicit. But there's no middle ground.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Not on this one. All right, we want to get
your phone calls on this eight eight eight five seven
o eight zero one der Old Triple eight five seven
o eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial
Pound two fifteen, say hey Rod, or leave a thought
or a message on our talk back line as well.
We want to hear from you tonight. We've got a
color already wants to play in on this tonight. So
let's go to the phones. We begin in Orum tonight,

(36:20):
and we begin with let me get my mouth on
the right thing if I can, Greg, it's kind of
weird my mouth is doing Okay, let's go to Sean
in orm Sean, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Hello, sir, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
We are doing well, How are you?

Speaker 4 (36:39):
I'm not too bad? So I wanted to call and
just express my opinion from what I've been seeing. I
feel about a lot of these I say agents, sorry,
trying to use intimidation and fear tactics towards immigrants who
are just here to try and better their lives and
work in my car washes and small bits businesses. And

(37:01):
I still these ice agents are breaking car windows and
just being intimidating to these immigrants who are just trying
to come here for a better life. And I steel
that instead of deporting them, we need to set up
better paths or easier paths towards citizenship, because at the
end of the day, they just want to come here
and work and be like everyone else. Let me ask

(37:22):
you Americans, and.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Sean, let me ask you are these people in your opinion?
Are these people here illegally?

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Well when Christopher Columbus.

Speaker 12 (37:37):
And so were they.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
So, Sean, we have laws, and I think it's I
think it's I think it's inhumane for the people that
would love the opportunities that you just described that America provides,
but believe that the laws we have are enforceable and
haven't found that legal path to come here, have not
been here. But if you broke the law, you are
assumed to be able to enjoy those benefits. They have
been out that President Trump has said, deport self, deport

(38:06):
and have a chance to come in legally. Uh, those
that have not come in illegally, they should be ones
that have the chance to do all the things that
you just described and being able to take advantage of
the American dream. Thank you for your call.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, all right, Sean. Well he Sean claims the ICE
ICE agents are the aggressors.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, No, I fundamentally rejected there. If you're if you're
if they are looking at you, you've broken the law
and they're coming and they're they're going to remove into port.
That's that's just that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
All right. Phones are open to you eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone,
dial pound two fifty and say hey Rod, or you
can leave a message on the talk back line. Your
thoughts on ICE? Are they aggressors and should they be unmasked.
There are some Democrats who would like to see that happen.
Your calls and comments coming down right here on the
Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh

(38:54):
five nine, kayn Or, we're talking about what's going on
with ICE. We just had a caller saying is being
too aggressive and there are members some Democrats are now
calling for the unmasking of ICE agents, so people who
can see who they are.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
And show ID as you're doing your raid. This is
another straight face, so called straight faced piece of legislation
being proposed by a senator. Yeah, to show your ID.
One is to take the mask off, the others to
show ID while you're doing your raid. Give me a break.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, yeah, so they can identify you and go after
your family, all right? Eight eight eight five seven O
eight zero one zero cell phone dial pounds two fifties. Say, Hey,
Rod are on our tuckback line at canors dot com.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
So let's go to the phones and let's go to
Harold in Salt Lake City. Harold, thank you for holding
and welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. What do
you think about all this?

Speaker 14 (39:44):
Well, I don't know. It seems like you know, if
there was somebody coming across our border and then they
came into our country and then they started hurting people
and making up things that would easier to hurt people
in our country. Uh, that seems like it's just an

(40:05):
army coming here and doing trees and in the country.
They must really not like I don't know, I think
they else should be put in jail.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
For trees and Harold no complaint for me, all complaints
on that one. I think that the people that are
they are trying to protect them or or help them
be successful. And they're illegal. Uh what they're doing illegally,
They're they're they're there's there's laws against that, things like that.
Let's go back to the phones. Let's go to Reese
and ORM. Reese, Welcome to the Ry and Gregg Show.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
Hey, thank you very much. Glad to have or talk
to you guys. But I just want to say that
guy from ORM, Shawn, he doesn't represent ORM obviously very well.
But but you know, they they need to be protected,
they need to protect their family. But it's no different
than the protesters that they're always covering up their faces too,
you know, but you know they you know, their families

(40:57):
are in danger. Because what they're doing. And you know Booker,
you know, I guarantee that he has security around him
all the time. And you know, but yet the ice
agents' families, you know, they don't have security twenty four
to seven.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
So that Reese, thank you for your call, brings up
a very good point. Think about this. If the members
of the media saw seven hundred percent increase on violence
towards the members of the media, television media, if you
had Booker and you had members of Congress, senator, they
saw seven hundred percent increase violence towards them happening very quickly,
you would, as Reese pointed out, you'd have an army

(41:31):
of security around them. And if you didn't, they certainly
wouldn't have They would they would obscure their faces so
that people wouldn't see them to go after them. Well,
it usually just apply a little empathy.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
And you know, if I don't know, I don't know
if you're a big fan of these, but there are
these kind of cop shows all over the place, real
life cop stories, police stories. Yes, how often are the
police faces covered to protect the police officers? That true
television does this all the time to protect the officers, right, No,
it's true, that's what they do.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
It's not on heard of, and it's I just think
that there's no You have to be ignorant to what's
happening to these agents. You have to be completely oblivious
to it, not be paying attention to say that they
should be showing their faces or even showing id You
have to not understand what that means when you say it,
or you do understand, and you're trying to stop them,
and you're trying to join those that want to commit

(42:20):
violence against them. There's just two positions here. There's nothing
in the middle for me. You're either ignorant or you're
part of the problem, or you're trying to you you're complicit.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
And you have to understand why they're covering their faces
or protect not only themselves but their families. To these
people who are rioting, who are going after ICE agents,
there's nothing that's out of balance. They will do anything
to create damage, or to injure or to attack a
member's family, an officer's family. So I don't blame them.

(42:49):
This idea where these democrats want to unmask them, Are
you kidding me? Corey Booker and Alex Badia, No.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Way within days or hours of these ambushes, ten people
highly equipped with advanced weapon, weapons and communications efforts. This
is when you make this case. Let's go to Ryan
and Harriman. Ryan, thank you for holding Welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (43:17):
Hey, guys, thanks for having me on the show.

Speaker 12 (43:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (43:19):
I just wanted to make the point that this crossing
the border is similar to breaking and entering. Right if
someone broke into your home and started sleeping on your couch,
even if they were washing your dishes, you would be
glad for anybody to come and kick them out of
your house, even if they were wearing a mask. So

(43:40):
to me, it's just ridiculous in that, you know, it's
resources that people are coming in and taking, whether they're
taking it from your home or taking it from the country.
You got to get here the right way otherwise it's
just breaking and entering.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, Yeah, you're absolutely right, Ryan. And the thing is,
and Greg and I haven't had much of a chance
to talk about this because there's so much going on now,
but I think Donald Trump is ready to look at
ways to deal with the dreamers, Greg, to talk about that,
and to look at a legal pathway for a lot
of these people. I think he's willing to look at that,
but he's doing what we all asked him to do

(44:17):
first that would secure the border, and it may take
a year or two more to secure that border to
the level that the president is comfortable. Then I think
he will come to fair minded, common sense Americans and say,
all right, now, let's deal with these other issues. And
that's what we've always argued for you.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
You could never look at a sane, legal, efficient process
when you had a border that's being empty, because anything
that you tried to accommodate for would be a magnet
for more illegal entry. Once you have a secure border,
now you can start talking about are your laws working
efficiently and what does that look like?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
And I think that means yeah, I think we'll get there.
All right, We'll get to more of your phone calls
and some of your talk back comments coming up right
here on the Roden Greig Show in Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five to nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Great time back, you know comments we want to share
with you here on the program, talking about ice, how
dangerous it's become. There's been an attack on these federal
officers just really just enforcing the law. Finally in this country. Uh,
the seven hundred percent is not just a random thing.
This is a very highly organized effort to stop them
from doing their job. Talking about the Senate that wants

(45:23):
to make sure they don't have masks on present their
ide when they're rating these are these are ridiculous. Either
meant to stop them from what they're doing, or they're
completely oblivious of the danger that's out there and is
growing by the day. So we're getting your comments about
these things.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
And you know, if you've seen any surveys, almost every group,
even people uh you know, maybe from Mexico who came
here legally, want these people deported. Yeah, survey after survey,
every every ethnic group in this country right now is
saying deport these people by majority. Now that my majority.
It's not a slim majority.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
No, and and and so, And it's astounding. I think
what the Democrats were banking on is that if you
had Hispanics and Latinos that were here legally but you've
started to open a border, they would be embracing that.
They would like that the practice of It's one thing
to talk about it, but feeling it and feeling the
lawlessness and feeling the cartels that controlled it and the
gangs that came in. It's why they reject it. Now,

(46:21):
by everyone does, and you've seen it every demographic and
by far majority of every and everyone's poll. Everybody wants
the law enforce, and everybody wants the people that broke
the law to be returned or deborded.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah. Well they're saying, wait a minute, I kept the
law and you broke it and you're still here. What gibs. Yeah,
it doesn't work, it's not right. All right, let's go
to some of those comments on they'll talk back line.

Speaker 15 (46:43):
Hey, Rod and Greg Dizzy here in Sandy. I thought
that was an interesting update about Corey Booker and the
other senator congressman who want to d mask ice agents. Well,
that's easy. Just put a provision in the build or
law that all federal employees are d masks so that
you can docks the centers and congressman's whereabouts as well.

(47:04):
And I don't think that law would go very far. Thanks,
enjoy the show.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
No, probably wouldn't go very far at all.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, if they were, if they were experiencing these exact
circumstances that these federal agents aren't, they would they would
want their faces concealed. They would put it this way.
They don't want to be docks. They don't want their
family threatened. Imagine that.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, here's another comment from talkback.

Speaker 16 (47:21):
Thinking about this masking thing. Think about any time you've
seen an undercover cop on television and they've always scrambled
their face period. The reason is is because they want
to protect them. If they knew who they were, then
people would go after them. It is very simple. Do

(47:41):
this for the agent's protection and let them do their job. Yeah, yeah,
protect the agents were. By the way, being an ICE
agent in this country right now has got to be
one of the toughest jobs out there.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yes, it would be one.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
They're being asked to go into the neighborhoods, into these
homes where they know people don't like him, would like
them to get out of here, and they're doing their job.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Would it surprise anybody that there was a major incident
in a major metropolitan city today, San Francisco. Here we
go NBC reporting and this reporter has been there. He
says that he's been, They've been. He's been there every
day since this thing flared up. Ice ICE protesters have
showed up every day outside the San Francisco Immigration Court
to stop ICE from arresting illegals. This morning things turned violent.

(48:28):
Let me play this, Let's let's have a listen to this.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
What happened today.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
This is this morning.

Speaker 17 (48:33):
Unlike anything we've seen out here before, and we've been
here since the beginning of June. This was a physical
confrontation that pushed through the streets of the Financial District
for several blocks, ended with a gun drawn. And it
all started in that doorway right there. Protesters blocked the
courthouse doors as ICE agents attempt to remove a man

(48:55):
they've detained inside, a man were told who had just
appeared for a routine in migration hearing. They forced their
way through the protesters and pushed the man they're detaining
into a van, but the crowd moves with them, including
several protesters who threw themselves on the hood of the
moving van as some agents climbed into vehicles. Others walk

(49:18):
from one courthouse to another, with protesters following step four step.
As agents reached the second building, another confrontation, including an
agent throwing a man to the ground, and then a
gray Sadan pulls up. The crowd dispersed after that. Federal
officer stepped out carrying what appears to be an assault rifle.

(49:43):
A man who has been operating an information table for
migrants outside the courthouse describes the chaos.

Speaker 8 (49:49):
You could just see the ICE guys going wild with
the batons and like pushing through the crowd.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
The sky is a mask on.

Speaker 17 (49:54):
By the way, Before the larger confrontations began, a San
Francisco man who was on his way to work says
he was hit by an unmarked ICE SUV in a crosswalk.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Can I have his badge number?

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Let me just tell you something. This guy parked himself
in front of trying to obstruct that car from being
able to move, and now he wants the badge number
because they had the goal to just move slowly the
car and he didn't want to move. But what you
just heard, all that bettle him, all that chaos. These
people that are attacking these ICE agents, they have masks on.
I have not heard one person say that they should

(50:27):
have those masks offense.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Let's unmasked the protesters. Let's take that illegal in this country.
If you're a protester, you cannot wear a mask. I
see how far that goes.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, I just think that that that is a that's
just a Wednesday morning. This is this is what's happening
in America, and you're not getting this reported. This was
an NBC affiliate, is a local station. This isn't being
broadcast nationally, but you're not. The America is not seeing
the story. They're hearing some humanitarian crisis over these people
here illegally making out the ICE agents to be the

(50:57):
bad guys, the O pressers, the ones that are you know,
the ones that we should be upset with. It's it
is a very dangerous climate that the ICE agents are
living in right now. That's why I love Alcatra, Alligator Alcatraz.
I wish that more of them were remote like that,
so that they don't have in these city centers this
kind of uh kind of the violence.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
We send the protesters out, Alligator Orchatraze. I'm for it.
They have a right.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
You know, they have a court there too, you just
have they have. They're going to take one of their
judge advocate generals from the Florida National Guard, make them
an immigration judge.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Send them there, all right, more of your talk about
comments and your phone calls eight eight eight five seven
O eight zero one zero ins. We talk about ICE
agents and the difficult job they're being asked to do
in America today. That's coming out here on the Rod
and Greg Show. Our ICE agents, I should say, being
too aggressive out there and doing what the laws says
they should be doing. And what about this democratic move

(51:47):
to unmasked ICE agents And as we pointed out prior
to the break all the protesters seem to be masked,
but apparently police who were trying to stop them from
causing personal damage, personal harm or property damage they can
mask up. Doesn't make a lot of sense to us, No,
not at all.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
I I again, I think this is a continuing story
and I think it's really Rod, I think we needed
every time we see this violence getting worse, we need
to talk talk about it. We need to make sure
it's front of mine because we can't get this can't
become normal, It just can't. And the media once the
media only wants you to think of these illegal immigrants
as a as a you know, as a as a

(52:24):
saw as a SOB story, not as people that are
breaking the law where the law needs to be enforced.
And so we need to the ICE agents and their
ability to enforce the law. We need to keep talking
about it. Isn't it interesting?

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Greg? The lack of the media's coverage of these attacks
on attacks on ICE agents. It's apparently it's not a
story to them, No, because it doesn't fit. It doesn't
fit their worldview. No, well, their worldview is that ICE
and law enforcement is the enemy.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah, you know, we got real I feel personally, I
got really jerked around during COVID. I got my life
was changed. They told me I couldn't go places I was.
I wasn't. We weren't to go to church. You want
to let there was just all these standings. If your phone,
if you if you crossed the state line, your phone
would erupt like there was an amber alert. You had
to say who you are, where you're going. We didn't

(53:10):
get violent, We didn't go attack people. You know, and
imagine if you had, Okay, what if you did exactly
what these people are doing now, you would have seen
the Democrats. They would have launched all military might against
anyone that would have protested the way these guys are
against their constitutionally protected rights being taken from them. They

(53:32):
would have launched a military effort to stop you without
apology or pause.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, in a minute, all right, eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero. Number to call if you
want to join us on the show. Also dial pound
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a chance there to make a comment on our talkback line.
Let's hear a few more of those comments.

Speaker 18 (53:56):
Now, Hey, Rod and Greg love what you guys do.
This from Fountain Green just one of the what a
response out there for these people that keep talking about
we live on stolen land and the gentleman to talk
about Christopher Columbus. You know, our history is riddled with
bad stuff. We're not a perfect nation, but we're definitely
trying the fact is we are where we are, and

(54:18):
we have laws in place, and if you don't like
those laws, you can leave. And if you want to
try and take this land, well f a fo.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm with them. I like that comment. Honestly,
I'm with you. I feel like a lot of us
we've we've seen things we don't like. We talk about it.
We are conscientious objectures, especially during the Biden years. But
this this this move to violence, it is it's just
fundamentally unacceptable, and yet the left embraces it. It's there,

(54:47):
it's their go to. I've got you've got West Hollywood
as a city two days ago talking about deploying their
their their law enforcement drones to intercept in the monitored
ice action to stop ice. You've got a mayor of
that same city at two days ago saying, I have
a lot of ideas on how we can stop ice.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
What what your city city officials?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
There's these city officials in a public meeting are talking
about how they want to stop the federal law enforcement
officers from forcing federal law. It just can't become normal.
This can't be a way to go. And just so
you know, we couldn't do anything like that, No.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
We sure couldn't. Let's go back to the talkback line.

Speaker 12 (55:25):
People are here just trying to earn.

Speaker 19 (55:27):
A living like the rest of us, or better their life.
Should walk into the Social Security office on Sandy Parkway
and about one hundred south.

Speaker 12 (55:41):
It's on the west side of.

Speaker 19 (55:43):
Fifteen, and you'll be shocked at how many absolutely don't
speak a word of English Spanish.

Speaker 12 (55:52):
People there are there.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
And it's fact to life. You talk to teacher, it's
the impact that they're having on education. You talk to
healthcare officials, the impact that they're having on healthcare in
this industry. You know, we're a caring kind nation, but
I think we've been pushed a little far.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Well, I'll tell you this isn't a This isn't a
story anecdotal story. This is this happened. A family member
of mine works in a school district. When some people
come NGOs, bring and basically bring a large population of
people from out of country here and then then tell
them here's ubers and you can take your kids to school.
And the mothers of these kids don't understand our culture

(56:34):
or how our schools work, come with their children to
the school and that school is now staring at twenty
children who where they don't speak any English isn't a
second language, they don't speak English at all. How does
that interrupt the individual education plans of the students that
have been enrolled in that school and that school year
up till then. How does it interrupt just the curriculum
and how it's being presented to all the students. It

(56:56):
throws a wrench in those schools. And it's overnight. They
didn't know it was And the next thing they know,
they have got a population arriving to their school, elementary school, preschool.
Sometimes that completely turns it chaos.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
It is going to be so interesting this school year,
but in coming school years, the way the President has
now shut down the border, what impact that's going to
have on those classrooms, because I've heard from teachers as well.
You know, you've got kids in there, don't understand the language,
are not getting fed properly, you know, in some cases,
don't even have clothes to wear adapting to the season.

(57:31):
It'll be interesting to see how that impacts.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
It's a good point, just the fake app where you
just had to put the word asylum and you never
had to put any other details in there, and then
see you in three to five years for a court hearing.
That's gone. And that was a major vehicle to bring
people into the interior of the United States and then
push them onto a community that had no budget or
even knowledge that they were going to have to accommodate
the needs of a population like that. And so that part,

(57:57):
I think is just systemically not going to happen because
it's not allowed anymore.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Now they're busy hour coming your way. Sender Mike Lee
will join us here very shortly and we'll talk about
the housing crunch in Utah. We'll talk with the mayor
who's very outspoken about this that's coming up.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
That segment won't last long because I swear there's not
many of these moments in my life.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
But I the fact that you didn't know what cloud
seating was.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I thought it was an absolute lives tale. I had
no idea. Abby just came in here. She fought out
our news directord.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Abby, and she well, she kind of was. She is American,
she has dual citizenship. She knew what cloud seating was.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
She almost looked out like, you don't know. I felt.
I felt it was a bit of condescension. And her
answer towards me, I had no idea. I don't like it.
Oh what happened to? Why do we even have droughts?
If we have all that cloud seating? What are we
doing up there? I don't think we should be dropping
any stuff in there to make it rain. That sounds
that sounds like we're trying to take the man upstairs job.

(58:56):
That's you know.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
We're bringing this up because there are conspiracy theorists out
there who are claiming that cloud seating being done in
Texas over the July fourth weekends cause the flood, which
is totally bunk. But that's one of the theories.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
That we kicked around. Yeah, but now I'm going to
see all those streaks up in the sky. You be
thinking it's raining some kind of chemical down on me.
This is terrible news. This is terrible news.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Shall we talk to sender Mike Lee? Yes, Okay, let's
talk to sender. Lee's joining us.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Don't ask him about the cloud.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I don't even want to go that. Joining us on
our Median newsmaker line is Utah Sender Mike Lee, Mike,
great to be with you, Sender, thanks for joining us.
You tweeted out yesterday about this Massachusetts judge and a
ruling unplanned parenthood funding, and she said, you can't do it.
What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 10 (59:45):
Well, this this judge, uh Judge Talwanne in Massachusetts issued
this temporary restraining order, and it did, and she did so,
directing the US Department of Health and Human Services to
take all steps necessary to make sure that Medicaid funding
continues to be dispersed in the customary manner and time.
Friends to planned Parenthood, and that order will remain in

(01:00:08):
effect for fourteen days, and the General hear arguments on
July twenty first on whether to grant a longer pause
on a provision of the Administration's Big Beautiful Bill, which
President Trump signed into law on Friday. So it caused
me to just ask the question, what part of the
Constitution is it exactly that prohibits Congress from defunding Planned

(01:00:30):
Parenthood because she's cutting into a decision made based on
a directive given by law. Now, this is a duly
sworn and chosen House and Senate, a duly elected president,
with duly inactive legislation that removes funding from Planned Parenthood.
And as best I can tell, there is nothing in

(01:00:53):
the Constitution that says, once you start funding an entity
like Planned Parenthood, you can't take it away. So it
seems like a stretched It seems like yet another link
in the chain of law fere is being used by
the radical left in order to deny this administration and
the Republican Congress it's opportunity to govern.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
The Senator on another topic, and this is going to
be I imagine an ongoing story. We could probably on
the Roden greg Show report on it every day. But
the Left, their plan A is violence. They use political
violence to create fear to compel behavior. That's what's happening
to our federal ice agents at the moment. They are
under siege, they're under attack. Attacks have gone up over

(01:01:35):
seven hundred percent. You have two colleagues in the Senate,
Senator Booker Senator Padia, who both have legislation. One is
to prohibit them from wearing masks, which they've argued homan
Is Tom Home has argued, I think convincingly that they
don't want their families threatened. They don't want to be docs.
They you know that there's a danger, the danger of
the attacks that they're experiencing, they don't want splashing on

(01:01:57):
their families. Now you have another bill that would require
them to present id to anyone who would ask. I
know there's a high level of dequorum in the Senate.
So my question to you is of your two colleagues
in the Senate, are they unaware of the increased violence
and the attack upon federal agents or do they condone it?

Speaker 12 (01:02:17):
Look I can't.

Speaker 10 (01:02:18):
I haven't spoken to either one of them about this
since they've introduced this, So I'm not going to speak
for what they think or what they know, but I
can tell you what I think of it, which is
that this is a terrible idea, but couldn't come it
at a worse time now, listen, greg According to the
Department of Homeland Securities numbers, since January, there's been a
seven hundred percent increase in assaults on ICE officers. Just recently,

(01:02:44):
on the fourth of July, a group of rioters attacked
the ICE Prairie Land Detention Center in Alvarado, Texas, shooting
at a local police officer on Monday morning. More recently,
a man with a rifle, tack and some taxic gear
attacked a Border patrol facility in McCallen, Texas, and a

(01:03:05):
local McCallen police officer was shot. Just yesterday, Homeland Security
announced the arrest of a man from New York who
threatened to kill ICE agents and even the children of
those ICE agents. So for Democrats to further expose the
courageous men and women of ICE and their families to
these terrorists is just jaw droppingly reckless. It's not unusual

(01:03:29):
for special UH operators especial members of law enforcement like
swat teams who are highly trained. It's not unusual at
all of them to wear to wear masks or hide
their identities when approaching dangerous criminals. ICE is regularly scooping
up MS thirteen and cartel members while facing attacks from Antifa,

(01:03:52):
from far left mobs, and from those associated with them.
So look, this would be a phenomenally disastrous outcome if
this legislation would have passed and that would have become
binding policy. Fortunately it's not going to. We will stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Sender. Are Democrats showing their true colors by really not
coming out I don't hear any Democrat coming out and
condemning these attacks on our ICE agents. Are they showing
their true colors on all of this.

Speaker 10 (01:04:17):
Well, they certainly should condemn the actions. I haven't monitored
everyone's statements, but I think somehow, but they all should be.
I don't know how you can defend these lawless acts
of mob violence and frankly, acts of terrorism being threatened
and carried out across the country.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
So this is an issue. It's age, it's actually coming gone.
But we never were able to speak with you personally,
but we spoke about this at length on the program
the lands Bill. I know that there was language. We
have sixty five percent of our state is encumbered by
federal control. That impacts local rural communities. It certainly has
impacted the supply of available land for communities to grow

(01:05:05):
and to see home and housing opportunities. That that language,
and there was a lot of misconceptions. We work very
hard to try and correct them that bill. That language
ultimately didn't get into the bill, but Senator that after
that was the case, the local paper starts to their
stories and their drumbeat again of we have no housing.
Housing costs are so much, there's no there's no supply,

(01:05:26):
there's high demand. What would you say in the aftermath
of what you tried to do in the in the
confusion or purposely misrepresenting what you were trying to do.
Is there something you want to share with our listeners
about that whole process.

Speaker 10 (01:05:41):
Yeah, first and foremost, there was a lot of misinformation
that was put out there, some of it deliberately. I
think some people expressed your concerns, uh uh what some
of them were just flat out line suggesting in one
way or another that we were intending to to sell
off the crown jewels of the federal land estate. We're

(01:06:04):
going to develop for residential or even commercial purposes, national
parks or things like that. None of that's true. The
fact is we had limitations in they're limiting it to
no more than I think one half of one percent
of all federal land, which is an enormous summer. We're

(01:06:24):
talking about six hundred and forty million acres, roughly twenty
eight percent of the entire land mass in the United States.
Even within that, we have very confined conditions under which
this could have been used for housing. Think of vacant
lots next to existing residential communities. That's what we were

(01:06:45):
talking about. And it wasn't even legislating their transfer. It
was legislating a process by which some of those lands
could be deemed suitable for residential development in or near
existing residential development. So it didn't happen, in part because
the the misinformation became overwhelming and concerns were brought forward.

(01:07:05):
And so we'll move forward.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Senator, I just wanted to follow up, which real quick,
some of the additional language or contexts that you were
trying to put into the bill to satisfy maybe some
of the concerns that were out there. Wasn't isn't it
the case that is, the more prescriptive you become in
that language, the less of a budget bill it becomes.
It only requires fifty one votes. I was telling people that,

(01:07:28):
you know, it wasn't that the poles or that was wrong.
It's just the more paragraphs you put in it. I've
seen a budget bill. I don't know that you can
put policy like it's a bill that requires sixty votes
in the Senate into a budget bill. And so did
the prescript of your confrom or your language hurt you

(01:07:48):
that that hurt the bill.

Speaker 10 (01:07:49):
It became a challenge.

Speaker 12 (01:07:50):
It was.

Speaker 10 (01:07:51):
It was a combination of the fact that it's a
budget reconciliation bill, so it's not supposed to get into policy.
The policy angle of it can't outweigh the budgetary nature
of it, or else it destroys the privilege and the
bill dies.

Speaker 12 (01:08:09):
But you put it well.

Speaker 10 (01:08:10):
Greg, And it was because of these constraints. So a
lot of the concerns that people had, which would be
legitimate if they were rooted. In fact, people were concerned
that it was all going to be brought up by China,
by large institutional investors like black Rock, and I thought
that was going to be the case, that would bother
me too, But there are other reasons why that would

(01:08:33):
have been very unlikely. I mean, it just wouldn't have
happened that way. But still, in order to get people
calmed down about it enough to be able to pass it,
we would have needed to add other language in there.
But because of the strict constraints of the budget reconciliation process,
I was unable to secure that clear language setting up

(01:08:54):
enforceable safeguards to guarantee that these lands would be sold
only to American families, not to China, not to be
black Rock or other entities. In the case of the
China regulated language, it would have implicated the jurisdiction of
another committee, the Senate Formulations Committee, which was not one

(01:09:15):
of the instructed committees on this bill, and that would
have kicked it out. Would have selt the whole bill
if that were in there. If we had listed black
Rock specifically, that would have been targeting. Again takes us
closer to it being a policy bill, and it would
have died. So it was a combination of the strict
limitations of the budget reconciliation process coupled with this onslaught

(01:09:35):
of misinformation that had people very concerned. That left us
with no choice but to remove it from the bill.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
On our any our news Maga line, Utah Senator Mike
Lee more coming up on the Rod and Greg Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five to nine, Canna.
We were just taikoon. Mike Lee and the Utah Center
just posted something on X I love this less reliable
than gas station and sushi station, Susie, and it's a

(01:10:01):
picture of sushi is a picture of Joe Biden, and
Biden is claiming world leaders are still calling him for advice.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
They've taken the phone away from him. He keeps answering it,
I'm stuck in here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
They don't let me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Just give me tapioca and made me watch TV all day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
And the subtitle says, allay, all take things that never
happened for eight hundred dollars. That guy just says, booth,
thank you, amen to that. All right. Well, the doctor
was in the House today. We're talking about Joe Biden's
doctor appearing before a House committee and apparently Greg, he

(01:10:44):
didn't have a whole lot to say.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Yeah, not a good look for President Biden, his administration,
or even his physician. The physician, doctor Kevin O'Connor. I
wanted to avoid having to appear before Congress. Did everything
in his power to try and avoid the hearing. And
now we know why because he's unprepared to say yes
to anything but his name. He was able to confirm
his name is in fact, doctor Kevin O'Connor. But when

(01:11:08):
asked if he was told to lie about the president's health,
he said, I plead the fifth. Asked if he was,
in his determination as his physician, was President Joe Biden
fit to serve as President of the United States, he
invoked his Fifth Amendment right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Which dog face pony soldier.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Now, I gotta tell you there's a lot of Democrats
out there saying, well, that doesn't mean he's guilty, doesn't
mean that the answer to those questions are that he
wasn't fit, that he's just you know, that's just his
constitutional right. Do you know many Democrats have said on
the record, that's a constitutional protection. But if you're if
you're invoking your Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate yourself,
you're admitting you have something to hide. Democrats have said that.

(01:11:47):
I mean, there's plenty people have been enjoying using their
own words against somebody putting it out on social media,
and it's it's there's a plethora of examples.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Oh, the best story of the day is that Joe
Biden has had his cell phone taken away.

Speaker 12 (01:12:02):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
It apparently back in February or March, a reporter got
his number and called him and he started talking and
his age just freaked out the phone away and yelled
at how did you get that number out? Yes, So
they've taken the cell phone away from Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Yes, and so so they just called. They cold called
the like. I wonder if he's still answered. He did,
he did. I don't know what he said, but it
made got him in big trouble. I didn't. I don't
think he got dessert that night.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
And in stark contrast, apparently everybody in Washington and in
the media has Donald Trump's phone number, and Donald Trump
answers when they call, maybe we should get his number
and see if he came on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
You really should? I mean, he is so that way.
When he called into this show last year before the
on the caucus night, I think it was uh, when
I'm I'm so you aren't here. I'm so nervous about
having to do this interview, and I see that he's
on the line. I started gaing more time with He's
chatting it up with E Raye. He's asking about his job,
how's it going on? What do you do here? You

(01:13:01):
and I am waiting and I'm like, what is taking
so long? Because you know I can get a little
long winded. Mike christ has said, you're supposed to interview
President Trump. You're gott to suck the oxygen out of
the room. The two. You're never gonna be able to
You'll never let him speak. So anyway, Uh, he is
so that he's so curious. If someone calls him, he
just wants to whoever's on the other line, he'll want

(01:13:22):
to talk to him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Clay Travis shared the story. Clay was on Air Force
one with the President interviewing him. His phone rang during
the interview and he said, just a minute, and he
picked up the phone start talking to something. Yes, I
mean he.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Is very low key that way. There's no barriers, there's
no firewalls around.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Whereas Joe Biden doesn't have a cell phone anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
They've taken it away.

Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
They've taken away You've lost your phone. Sorry, Joe is
all right more when we come back here on the
Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one O five
nine k n R S.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I called Joe Biden. He didn't answer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
They took the phone away.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
They took the phone away.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
He sayesn't get his phone.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
He can't get the phone in.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
He's trapped in a room watching soap operas and eating
tapioca pudding. That's what he's doing. He's hating it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
He's trying to get out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
He just wants a little that white powder a Hunter
gave him. You know, He's like, I gave a great
stay of the union when Hunter gave me that little
Why can't I get more of that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah? That worked. He's just mad because Jill won't let
him out of the room.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
No, she's so done with him. You can see when
you can see at the end of that that whole term,
when he wasn't running anymore, she was just trumped through
those the beach, just so annoyed. She just leave them behind,
let the Secret Service scoop him up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
I'm out. She didn't like that at all. All right,
let's talk about the housing crunch here in Utah. Greg,
you're involved in this, You're close to this. Is there
a simple solution to any of this? Well, I you
have your opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
I have my opinions. There is no simple solution on
as things stand today. So long as you have high
demand with low supply of land, you're just going to
have high housing prices and prices. And anyone that wants
to simplify it and say it's one person's fault or
government's fault, that's not the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
No, no, it is. And Well, joining us on our
news maker line to talk more about this. We're talking
about the housing crunch in Utah. How do we get
housing costs down? Is the mayor of Draper, Troy Walker,
is joining us on our any hour Newsmaker line. Troy,
thanks for joining us, Troy, What about getting a handle
on the runaway housing costs? Can? And if we can,
how do we do it?

Speaker 12 (01:15:35):
Well, it's a great question, and I think one of
the one of the things that's most interesting about this
whole problem to me is is who's trying to solve
it right now? Which is actually somewhat common book to me,
the government. Right we've got all the government wanting to
fix the housing crisis. First of all, the government is
not very good at most things that it does, as

(01:15:57):
you all both know, and certainly the government, a you know,
a Republican should never be thinking of how a government
can fix, you know, a free market situation. That's that's
a whole nother conversation. But what we've got is we've
got a lot of children being born. I always say that,
you know, most of the growth is coming from our
own families, which is fantastic, but we need places for

(01:16:19):
our kids to live. I've got four, you know, Greg's
got four. I mean, you have rods.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
You know of a force that's running around there. But
we don't need to go into that, mister Mary, and
you just out, I don't know what's happening right now.

Speaker 12 (01:16:32):
There is a fourth There is a fourth one. No,
his name is d. His name is D. That's four.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
That's my dumb friend y. That's not my child. Okay, sorry,
keep going anyway.

Speaker 12 (01:16:43):
So you know, I mean, nobody, nobody can rationally say
that we don't need more housing than we have, because
we do. But the question then becomes, you know whose
fault is it? You know, what is what are all
the what are all the dynamics that cause it? Now,
if you're a developer, and you've got the europe legislature
at the governor is they most definitely did. You're gonna

(01:17:04):
tell them it's all the cities. It's the city's fault.
We're doing it. We're the problem if the whole sam
thinks the city because we are regulations are zoning all of.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
It's the city.

Speaker 12 (01:17:14):
And you know, I would say early on in this process,
there's cities. There's still some. There were more that were,
you know, less interested in different types of housing. That's true,
but you cannot say that anymore. And you look at
my city. We have done our bit for team and
country when it comes to density. We've done apartments, we've
done condos, we're doing town own the congos, we've done everything.

(01:17:37):
We've got single family. We've done it all. And almost
every city in the Utah is as well. Right now.
Of a year and a half ago, the League of
Cities and Towns of which I'm the president. This year
we did an analysis of sixty six cities to find
out how many entitled lots there were to build on,
and the titled what means you could pull a building

(01:17:57):
permit to day and start building? There were one hundred
and ninety thousand entitled loots in the sixty six cities
that we surveyed in Utah and Salt Lake County, Davis
County kind of the metro area one hundred and ninety thousand. Now,
the housing crisis was like forty thousand at the time.
But yet every single place the developer has five acres,

(01:18:20):
it's a housing crisis. That's a fact.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
Right.

Speaker 12 (01:18:23):
So, like, you know, we've got an area where front
Runner is, for example, we thought way back when when
we zoned it that we were really being smart and
we said, look, front Runner Station, we should zone this
for high density. So we did when I was a
council member. We zoned it unlimited height, unlimited density, and
we thought, man, the market's gonna do it. They're gonna

(01:18:43):
build big buildings, big condos, big apartments, all gonna be awesome.
Well they did. They built five story buildings. Yeah, they're beautiful,
they're great. I got no problem with it. But they
didn't build ten story buildings. They didn't even build six
story buildings. They've built five story buildings. Then when a
developer came in to build some residential guess how many
story buildings they built an unlimited height zone well, they

(01:19:07):
built the four story part of complex on top of
a party rodger, okay, which is like, okay, fine, that's
what they make money at. Then that same developer came
over to Draper right by Draper City Hall and bought
twenty five acres and they wanted to put seventy units
per acre of high density housing right smack in a
half acre subdivision. Well, I lost my damn mind, to

(01:19:29):
be quite honest with you, and I was like, this
does not this dog does not hunt. I'm not doing this.
This is not you know. And of course it's the
housing crisis, right And it's the City of Draper who
is causing the housing crisis because we won't let them build,
you know, whatever they want wherever they were. And so
we ended up getting into this whole deal with it.
You know, I drug, I drugged our senator, I drug

(01:19:52):
our house rep, and I drug another senator into Corner
Canyon High School and I let the citizens tear on
him for a while, about two hours worth of it.
And when that ended, guess what, we don't have seventy
units per acre you know right there. What we do have, though,
is we have some some smaller lives. We zoned it
for some quarter acres. Now you're thinking with a quarter acre,

(01:20:13):
a developer would go build a small house, right and
starter home run. Oh no, oh no, that's now what
they're building. They are building three thousand square foot houses
on quarter acres and selling them for two million dollars.
Almost one point six million is the start.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
So Mayor, Mayor you're I I think I think that
you're showing the other side of the coin that seldom
does anyone ever hear, but your your solution. I've worked
with you for many years. Your solution oriented. So what
is how do we it's a supply and demand issue.
How what is the solution as you see it? Just
just it doesn't have to be a city solution. What
do you think how do we how do we meet

(01:20:46):
the demand of needing new homes, especially for our kids
to stay living in the state.

Speaker 12 (01:20:51):
Well, I think I think one of the things if
the government has to be, you know, part of the solution.
And you know right now, I think in some ways
we think government's going to solve it. And you guys
know doesn't want and let you know, look, Greg, you
know this better than anyone. The only affordable housing that
exists on this planet is subsidized. There is no housing

(01:21:12):
that is affordable or that is below market that somebody
isn't paying for that. That's not the person, it's the
government that's subsidizing the affordable housing. Okay, that's fine, that's great.
When you talk about how do we do it, I
think the cities have to allow for different sizes of
smaller homes, condos counts, which we're doing. We have to
that's that's going to be part of the solution. But

(01:21:33):
then you've got to have developers, you know, we have
to have some way. And I don't know how you
control the market because you can go talk to the
developer and say, hey, we did you a quarter acre
lot build a fifteen hundred square foot starter home, and
that developer a look at you and go, I'm not
doing that. I'm gonna build what I can make money
at and I can make a lot of money putting
the three thousand square foot house on that. So we've

(01:21:54):
done smaller lots, we've done the identity you know, we've
done these things as low for communities. But the problem
is that the solution to this is not just what
what can look with, you know, zoning. There's interest rates,
there's labor costs, there's land value un you know, broad
ground and draper like an unimproved piece of dirt I'm

(01:22:15):
told is about one point two million an acre right now,
don't improve its own now. I don't care who you are.
If you have to buy dirt for one point two
million an acre, you're not going to build you know,
an affordable house on now. Interestingly enough, we just approved
the Station Area plan area with a development edge homes
over by one of our tracks locations. Because we're forced

(01:22:37):
to do Stationarya plans and density. We're doing the twenty
seven units an acre deal. It's all condos and townhomes
and I think it's fantastic and it's all gonna be ownership,
no rentals, and that I think is an example of
what we need to do.

Speaker 10 (01:22:51):
Now.

Speaker 12 (01:22:51):
The neighbors don't like it. The neighbors would rather have
an open field. The neighbors would rather have you know,
no count Hoso, no condos, and you're always dealing with that.
But this is an opportunity for count O Tocanos, you know,
a sort of a starter home type project for you know,
our kids to get a place to live.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
The mayor of Draper, Troy Walker, joining us here on
our newsmaker line talking about the housing crunch in Utah
and sounds like Greg as you mentioned, going in no
simple solutions to this one at all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
There isn't And I just think I just go back
to the role of government. You got to bring your infrastructure,
your roads, your sewer, your water. Even for an economy
to grow, you have to have infrastructure for those businesses
to come out of the ground. That's a great role
for government. But where we where we suffer, and this
goes back to Center Lee's lands issue is we have

(01:23:39):
no land. The supply and demand is not there. And
as long as there's no supply of land, you're we're
going to be on top of each other. And they
are related, they are connected. And I'm sorry, sixty five
percent of the state is not all national park or
hunting areas where it's it's one or the other. It's
not one extreme or the other. There are we've got
that we've been jerrymannered in this state. Cramps very small area.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
All right, more coming up some final thoughts, our final
segment on the Wingman Wednesday edition of The Rodden Grag
Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine k n
R S. You're learning things every minute of the day today.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
That's what you call cloud.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Seeing, which is real?

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Is Santa real? Because now that now the cloud seeing
is real, I have to I have to revisit a
lot of the beliefs I kind of I kind of
put in in a category.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Hey, uh, tomorrow. I'm so excited about this tomorrow, Sele Uh,
Selena and Zito. Yes, we've had on the show numerous times.
I mean, she travels the back roads of America and
may have a better understanding of what you know red
America is all about. Has got a brand new book out.
It's called Butler, The Untold Story of the Near Assassination

(01:24:49):
of Donald Trump and the Fight for America's Heartland. And
she'll be on the show tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
She has grown up and reported in the very area
of southwest Pennsylvania that I grew up. Yeah, my nephew
he graduated from Butler High School, so I know this
Butler area. Well, the book, I'm really looking forward to
reading it, and I'm super excited about our interview. She
is talking about she's talking too and about the everyday
Americans in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
She was five feet away from the president.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
It's a scary place. You think, scary place man died.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
You know, and uh and uh. And that day apparently
he called her seven times after the shooting. Oh after wow,
just to let her know what was going on. I
think that's the story. But will we'll ask her about
that tomorrow. But you'll want to listen to us tomorrow.
It's Selena Zito joining us on the Rod and Greg
Show about her brand new book called Butler. Yeah, in

(01:25:40):
Pristine Story. All right, you were so excited about this yesterday.
Have you ever been on a golf course where guys
become a little belligerent? Yes, yeah, I have to. You know,
they're they're playing slow, or you aren't playing fast enough,
they're hitting into you. Well, apparently a guy where was
it wasn't in Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
That was in Canada. Out nowhere, but it was in Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Made a mistake on the golf course by getting after
people who were upset that he was playing slow.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Yes, so you've got a couple of guys. And I'm
gonna tell you, I watched this video one hundred times
because it's the best.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Yeah, it's super drunk.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Yeah, it's one of my favorite. I think it might
be the best fight you'll ever see online on social media.
But the guys were they were inebriated, and they were
playing very slow, and the guys behind them were getting
very frustrated. And at some point, and I've had this
happen to me where the people in front of me
are playing and they're not being courteous. I mean, you
let people play through if you're going to be that slow.
They're drunk, they're playing super slow. So the group, the

(01:26:34):
group behind him rolls up and they're like, hey, wait,
in twenty minutes, you got to go. You gotta get.
The guy gets mad. He's got this sleeve tattoo and
he's got to he's acting like he's a tough he
runs to fight so bad. So he keeps and again,
and you hear the voice out of the screen of
the of the video say, you know you're not scaring anyone. Yeah,
you're just really not.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
You need to get you see it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
And this this big tough guy with the you know,
with tattoos and drunk, playing slow wants to go after him,
and I hear him say, I'm gonna throw you in
that lake. He goes right after him, and sure enough,
this big guy grabs the aggressor the aggresser that was
going after him and hurls him into the tall grass,
slash pond or lake, whatever it was. The guy comes

(01:27:14):
out and comes straight at him to fight him. This
guy's a bigger guy, grabs him by his shirt and
then as he's punching him, is going bam bam. It's
like the like the old Batman TV show with Adam West.
Bam bam bam. Turns out this man who's hitting him
and pummeling him is a former NHL hockey player who

(01:27:35):
was also known as an enforcer. His only job was
to fight on the ice, and he had to carry
a stick around like it was a nuisance because the
only thing he was there to do for I don't
know how many seasons in the NHL was fight other
players on the other team. And this drunk guy picked
a fight with an enforcer.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Wrong guy, bad move, wrong guy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
Oh, if you haven't seen a swear, bear alert, there's
some swears in it, but it is one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
A heck of a It's pretty hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Guy thought he was a bully, found out he was
not the The alpha dog in that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Story be careful who you pick a fight with on
a golf course. You can never know, all right, That
does it for us tonight, head off, shoulders back made.
God bless you and your family. There's great country of ours.
Plea invite you to join us again Tomorrow we'll have
a good eal.

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