The Rod and Greg Show: What is the Dems Endgame? Plus, Are Commute Times Tied to Housing Prices?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Just win, baby, win. They did. And there's a certain
guy in the White House right now who's on a
pretty good streak.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
He said a long time ago, this president, that we
would win so much we would get tired of winning.
I'm not tired. I'm not tired, and I'm loving it.
And he's giving us a lot of potential fatigue. But
I just say, just keep knocking him down, stand him up,
knock him down. Important case out of New York getting
rid of the egregious and offensive five hundred million dollar

(00:31):
civil penalty that's been thrown out. I think Letitia James
should be disbarred, but she I think they're going to
try and peel it. But I think that all signs
point to we're getting back to common sense and real justice.
I think Lady Justice is back on many fronts, even
just today. There's a lot happening even today that I think,

(00:53):
you know, Lady justice is coming back into our jurisprudence.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Well, they threw out the penalty. They did not throw
out the conviction, which I hope is the next step
in this process. Right, they did throw out the penalty
five hundred million, and I love what the judge, the
Appellate Court judges, one of them just wrote this scathing
criticism of the judge in this case and basically said,
you're only doing this as a political weapon against mister Trump.

(01:20):
That's the only reason he did that. This judge, I mean,
the appellate court really came down on this basically called
it a witch hunt. And that's what we all knew,
that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
And somebody posted on X the judge and Letitia James
when this verdict was handed down whenever that was, and
they're just grinning, they got these smugget grins on their faces.
And I'll tell you it's another reason why you like
to see the right thing done, where this is being
called out for the you know, for the how wrong
it was, and it should have never got this far.

(01:51):
But I think the law fair is being addressed. It's
being addressed in a bunch of boys.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah. Well, we've got a lot to get to today.
We'll talk more about this in just a minute here.
In a few minutes, k one of our faiths is
going to join us. Kurt's going to talk about what
the Democrats end game is. I think they're still trying
to figure out what a Democrat is But we'll get
into that with Kurt James Wood from the University of Utah.
We'll talk about housing prices and commute times here and

(02:17):
up and down the Wahsatch front. They're getting a little longer, Greg, Surprise, surprise,
because people are moving further and further away.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I was gonna say, spoiler alert, they're not getting shorter.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Also, a little bit later on, we'll talk with Matt McPherson,
state representative about driving and CDL and what he's trying
to do. An unusual law in this state. He tried
to change it last time in the legislature, he'll do
so again this time. And Steve Moore is back with
us today to talk about economic news. So as always,
we've got a lot to do, Greg, So let's get
underway with it. Let's talk about Letitia James. You know,

(02:51):
I can't believe first of all that New York voters
voters voted her in. But then I think of my
brother in law and my sister. Are my brother and
my sister in law big libs who back in New York,
and they love her, and I go, okay, after what happened,
you don't know how bad I want to send them
a text. I just want to send them a text.

(03:12):
But you know his family watched.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
You through how they do this.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, blood blood, blood is thicker than politics. So I'm
not going to do it, but I just want to
rub it in their face.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Just well just I will just tell you, I I
don't know. I five was it five hundred and fifty
million dollars fraud judgment against Trump?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
It was?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
And look, this is a This isn't like it went
to a federal court. I think this is a New
York appeals court that it was in front of it
and they just threw it out because they know it's
a It's it's a sham. Yeah, it's an absolute sham.
And again I'd like to see the whole case thrown out.
I mean, what they what the real estate laws that
they they They had to create them out of thin
air to try this case. The banks and everyone that

(03:54):
they were saying was involved in the front said they
were not defrauded. They wouldn't even let some of the
testimony from those that they were trying to claim were
victims of Trump and his businesses fraud. They wouldn't let
him come testify to the jury that no, no, no,
we were not. We were not so anyway, it's it's
I think dependsulum swinging back. I love the news that

(04:14):
this is happening, and they can go ahead and appeal
all day. I don't think it's gonna get better for
the Democrats on this because I think truth is going
to you know, carry the day and it should all
get thrown out.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's just another win, win, win win. As a matter
of fact, the White House today put together a little
White House video on winning. Yes, please please, it's too much.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
I'm a winner.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I'm going to win. That's my job.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
That's what I do.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
I'm gonna show.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
You how good a hell do you play to win
the game?

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Here's the situation. I'm the best there is playing simple.
You can't handle the truth.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
It's all they're black and white, clearness, crystal. That's how
your cat.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
That flicked is switching me where I was like, okay,
you watch this.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
That's kind of a winning, winning finn when I was
focused on winner, win, win win, And that's wh if
you haven't seen that video, it's the clips from a
lot of movies and they're just talking about winning and
Donald Trump. How many times is the ascids Greg on
the campaign trail, will you ever get tired of winning?

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Get tired?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Now we're I'm hanging tough. We've got a lot of
endurance when it comes to this.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
No.

Speaker 7 (05:34):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
At the same time, look, you've got you've got Tulca Gabbert. Uh,
she has a decla taken away the clearance. The security
clearance is of at least thirty four different people that
didn't deserve them, that have been part of this law.
Fair that happened yesterday.

Speaker 7 (05:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
The FBI has has now said that they have evidence
that that prosecutors had and they still have the evidence
that you that Comy authorized classified documents to be leaked
to the New York Times and others, and they declined
to prosecute him because it was and it's a it's
a it's against the law, and they caught him red handed,
did not prosecute him. So they have that and Attorney

(06:13):
Pam Bondi today said We're going to bring them to justice.
They had an obligation to enforce the law they knew
he had authorized, specifically authorized because people made memos to
protect themselves that he authorized it. He's been Comy's been
caught red handed to day on these documents that have
been released today. So I just think this is the
kind of pendulum that you're seeing swing back our way.

(06:34):
Now everybody wants handcuffs and everyone thrown in the clink.
Just understand this. We are learning things declassified documents. I
think this is why Mara Lago was rated. We're learning
things that the left never in their worst nightmare thought
we would know, understand and be talking about today. And
that's a win. And we got to take those wins

(06:54):
when they come.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, he sure do. Now another win today. Years ago,
during the Reagan years, there was a guy by the
name of Mike Deaver. Remember Mike Deaver. He was a
guy who kind of created the image of Ronald Drake, him,
him and Nancy. You know, at the time, I'm not
sure who's creating the image of Donald Trump. It could
be Susie Wilds, it could be someone else in the

(07:15):
White House. But whatever they're doing, they're doing the right thing.
So what does the president do today? He decides to
go on patrol with the National Guard in the nation's capital.
He announced it earlier this morning, and I'm going to.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Be going out tonight.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I'm going to keep it a secret, but I'm going
to go get the other way.

Speaker 8 (07:32):
You lots of listeners, but.

Speaker 9 (07:35):
I'm going to be going out tonight, I think with
the with the police, with the and with the.

Speaker 10 (07:40):
Military of course, so we're going to do a job.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
The National Guard is great.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
They've done a fantastic job.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
So how does the president of the United States? I
mean usually wherever he goes, there's like one hundred cars
perfore him and a hundred vehicles in front. How does
he go out and patrol the street like a popemobile?
I mean, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Put a bubble over him? Because you gotta be careful.
He's our president. But look, the man has been at
the drive McDonald's drive through window during the campaign. He
was hanging outside of a garbage truck when when when
Biden called him and all his supporters garbagage. And now
as he's cleaning up the streets of DC, zero homicides
for the first time in their modern history, and he's

(08:20):
going to go out there and see it, wants to
actually see it. So it's very on brand.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yes, sure, it's great imaging in the public. I think
it's just eating this up all right, We've got a
lot to get to today when we come back. Kurt Schlickter,
senior columnists at the Town at town Hall, great guests
down on the show we love talking with. Kurt wrote
an article about the about this the other day. What
is the democrats end game? Yeah? I think the Democrats
are trying to figure out who they are to begin with.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well, if somebody knows, they're not sharing. I don't think
any Democrat knows what their game is.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's for sure. All right, So a lot to come today.
We invite you to be a part of the broadcast
the Rod and Greig Show right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine. Kate and are ass Kurt Schlickter.
He's a veteran, he's an attorney. Why he lives in
southern California, we haven't figured out yet, but I know
he'll explain that. But I wrote an article this week
about what the Democrats endgame actually is. We want to

(09:12):
get him on the show and talk about that. Kurt,
How are you welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show? Well,
thanks for having me, all right, Kurt, Before they before
we talk about the endgame? How can they have an
endgame when they don't really know who they are right now,
because I don't think the Democrats have figured that out yet,
have they?

Speaker 6 (09:28):
Well, no they haven't. I think what they I think
it's some level guys. They just think that if they
nag us enough, we're gonna just kind of look at
each other and go, Okay, we'll give up on this
whole I'm a citizen thing, and we'll submit to you know,
the blue haired shirt in a swilling ssri addict wine.

(09:52):
Women who do things like turn cracker barrel into a disaster.
I mean, they think they could just bother us until
we give up. You know, I thought being a citizen
having a say and everything was pretty good. But you're
really convincing me that I've got a lot of internal
structural racism and transphobia. So I'm going to give up

(10:15):
and allow you to torment me forever because of all
the bad things I am because my great great Kirk
grandfather came from Finland, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
You know, Kurt, here's my question. We see so many
documents that are being declassified. We're seeing this president go
after the deep state in ways that I didn't even
know it was that deep. We saw what Telsea Gabbard's
done just yesterday, you know, taking away these security clearances,
saying today that this has gone back multiple presidencies in
terms of the deep state and intelligence community. You've got

(10:45):
Comy caught red handed now as of today, where they
had absolute proof that he instructed people to leak classified
documents and they did nothing to prosecute him for it.
It's all kind of the curtains being pulled back. Was
it the case that they had the they had the
intelligence machine, the deep state, they had the media, they
had NGOs, they had they had so much going their

(11:07):
way and so much power that they don't have any
muscle memory. They don't know how they lost. They don't
know how all that didn't result in their success. And
now they sit they don't know where to go, what
to say, what to do because they're they're fighting for
for pedophiles in Washington, d c. Who are getting deported.
That's where they're at right now.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Well, they understand they're constituents. What we have here is
the trust fund kid problem. Okay, everybody remembers Henry Ford.
Not a perfect guy, but yeah, he reimagined manufacturing. And
then you have the second generation of Fords, right, and
they gave us the Mustang and the muscle cars, and

(11:45):
that's pretty impressive. Name someone who's from the third generation
of the Fords. Okay, he was probably caught in a
buick outside a crass with a you know, with a
little Tavian hooker.

Speaker 10 (11:58):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
These are cultural trust fund babies. They're not smart, they're
not accomplished. They didn't build this country. They got it
handed to them because they went to the right schools,
got the right connections. But they're mediocrities. They're losers and
they're stupid, but they don't know it. They think their geniuses,
they think they think that all their power and cultural authority,

(12:22):
the fact that they're in charge of these institutions was
some sort of divine right because of their essential goodness.
But it's not. They're mediocrities. They're unaccomplished hacks. And when
the pressure gets on and real people start saying no,
we're not going to take it anymore, they don't know
what to do except falling their backs, start wiggling like

(12:45):
a cockroach, screaming about fascism, which they can't even spell.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Kurt, Okay, what what in your opinion, what is the
democrats endgame in all of this. What are they trying
to achieve.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
Well, look, they're trying to achieve total power. They want
to suppress us. They want to silence as you can
see what's happening in England where the Labor Party, which
is about as popular as her bees pry relatively popular.
They want to use the levers of governments who silence
us to force us to conform, to force us to comply.

(13:21):
But the problem for them is that at the end
of the day, they haven't studied their hero Chairman Mao.
Chairman Mouse says, power comes out of that barrel of
a gun. And at the end of the day, it's
really hard for people who went to a school where
we use our words, not our fists, and they've never

(13:43):
been in a fight. But they're coming up against normal
people who have I'm going to die on a pile
of hot brass before I live on my knees in
subservience to some nose pierced weirdo who demands that I
use their preferred pronouns. It's not going to happen, and

(14:05):
we're not going to do it. At the end of
the day, they can't force us to do anything. All
they can do is nagas into submission. But we can
choose not to submit. And that's the beauty of Donald Trump.
He is the choice of America not to submit.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Kurt, read your book of fiction, Los Angeles, love it.
You might be a DEMI I'm not sure. But you
just finished you just finished a book called American or
you have a book out right now American Apocalypse, the
Second Civil War, American Civil War. It's a book of fiction.
But are we just two divided? Is that book eerily
maybe more truth than fiction? Are we heading that way?

(14:44):
Or do you think that this country can ultimately come together?

Speaker 6 (14:47):
Look, I think we can come together.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I'm always an optimist.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
But I served in the ruins of a civil war
in Kosovo, and I've served in other places that were
not free, and I gotta tell you, I'm worried. I
am worried that are our ruling class, which like I said,
is stupid, historically and morally illiterate, concerned only with its

(15:10):
own power, is going to do stupid things that make
violence more likely. Okay, at the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Every at the end of.

Speaker 6 (15:20):
The day, violence controls. But America is the exception where
we decided to say, no, we're going to do things
a different way. We're going to have rules and laws
and processes where everybody gets some input, but we're going
to protect everybody rights, everybody's writes, and that's how we're
going to make decisions. But you know, they're not getting

(15:42):
the decisions they want. So they tried to use of course,
they tried to They tried to bankrupt Trump. That didn't
work out today, And they tried to put him in
jail for the rest of his life by framing him.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
That didn't work.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
When that didn't work, they you know, a couple of
lunatics tried to kill him and succeeded in killing one
America and citizen. Okay, the the the potential for real
violence is always there. We want of what because it's
terrible And look, I'm as right wing as anybody else,
but anybody who comes.

Speaker 10 (16:12):
Out, oh there'll be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well we'll catch some cammy.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
But look, did you not watch the first scene of
Gone with the Wind where everybody in the South was
really excited about the war because those Yankees and we're
gonna put We're gonna take them on. No, No, it'd
be would it would destroy the foundations of what makes
this country great and bring us pain and misery of
indescribable proportions. But I try and describe in the book

(16:38):
American Apocalypse, and and there's some there's some exciting stuff,
and there's some funny stuff in it too, so it's
not a miserable read. But if you come out of
my book thinking, oh, it's Civil Wars, a great idea,
you had.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Not read closely.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
Okay, we can do it. The answers right there, man,
We've always had the answer, you know. You know, our creator,
through the Founders, delivered us the greatest document for ordering
human uh uh politics and culture and society ever, our Constitution.

(17:13):
All we got to do is do that.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
He does follow it. Kurt as always great, chatty you
with man. Enjoy the rest of the day.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
All right, Kurt Slickter joining us on Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n r S.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Love listening. I love when Kirk Schlickter comes on this show.
He is just such a riot. I have to just
quit wheezing and laughing through his the whole interview because
he's just so funny how he frames everything. They're so
great all.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Right, let's talk about what's going on in Utah. You
and I Greg have talked a lot about the housing
crunch here. I mean, we're running out of places to
put homes.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
That's right. Well, I think we've checked, you know, the
the box of on on. We have enough density.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
I don't think we need anymore. I think we should
be looking maybe at other opportunities. And so I think
the quality of life decases and the cost of living
increases and none. Those trajectories right now are not playing
in our favor.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
No, they're not. They're not. Well. Joining us on our
Newsmaker line to talk about the housing crunch, the housing crisis.
We're talking about the cost of housing and how it's
impacting the commute times. Now, my ride to work every
day is about thirty minutes, which isn't bad. No, but
I don't come in during the heavy times. I mean
we come in a little bit later, you of course.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Not till well, no, I so yesterday I had to
be somewhere that I don't typically take that route earlier
in the morning, in the seven am hour, and hold
you down, oh at least fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Wow. Wow, Well, joining us on our newsmaker line right
now to talk about that is Jim Wood, Senior fellow
at the Gardner Policy Institute up there at the U. Jim,
thanks for joining us. Jim. Let's talk about the housing
crisis and disrupting Utah's commute to work. My guess is
we're following a pattern that we've seen in other large
urban areas. Is that fair to.

Speaker 10 (18:54):
Say, well, I don't know. It certainly has been a
carena in high real states on the certainly California, Washington, Oregon,
and whether or not we're we're catching up. I don't
think we have anywhere near the commutes that say what

(19:18):
you see in California, but we have seen an increase
in commuting due to housing costs. Counties adjacent to to
counties with high housing costs are seeing quite a bit
of growth jeweb County, Boxeller County, and Will County, which

(19:43):
indicates that, you know, people are seeking more affordable housing
and willing to drive an extra twenty minutes or half
an hour to get into housing home ownership. So I
think it's it's something that you know reflects our high

(20:07):
growth and also our land availability. We were Salt Lake County.
We've got you know, the weren't a valley and and
we don't have a lot of land uh left for development.
And Davis County is is similar. And down in Utah
County they've got Cedar Valley which is huge, where Eagle

(20:29):
Mountain and Sarah Torga Springs where they've had a lot
of growth. So Utah County has has more opportunity for growth.
And our projections show that in a few decades Utah
County will really well. More than a few decades, probably

(20:51):
by the twenty twenty fifty twenty sixty, Utah County population
will be approaching what we have in Salt Lake County.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
So you think that trend to continue? Because my thought
was maybe you would start to see because the demographics
with these canyons and valleys, that we just can't sprawl
like a Dallas Fort Worth in every direction three hundred
and sixty degrees. Business parks, economic opportunities be it manufacturing
or even office parks that would be further away, maybe

(21:20):
in rural areas too, maybe draw workforce with a higher
quality of life and lower cost of living. Do you
think that that could happen or do you think people
will still continue to try and get to the Wasatch
Front for their primary work.

Speaker 10 (21:33):
Well, yeah, what you're talking about is satellite locations outside
the Wahsatch Front. We've tried that before in economic development,
has worked very well. Firms don't want to locate someplace
where there's not a sizeable labor force. So it's going
to continue. Our growth continue to be concentrated along the

(21:55):
Watauch Front. But keep in mind, say, for example, in
Salt Lake County, the central point for both population and
employment in Salt Lake County is about forty fifth south
and seventh West, so that's, you know, pretty close to
the middle of the county. So you know, people living

(22:19):
south of that, you know, they have plenty of employment
opportunities along that corridor of State Street, Main Street all
the way to Redwood Road, the corridor down and the
same on the north side. So it's not that everybody
has to drive from Sandy to downtown Salt Lake. There's

(22:42):
a lot of employment south of Salt Lake City.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Jim, what about the new development and all the development
that will be taking place around Point of the Mountain
and the old prison side down there. How's that going
to affect things, do you think, Jim.

Speaker 10 (23:00):
Well, that's gonna it's going to add the congestion and
UH and UH time of travel and commute that will
be uh. We'll see how it develops over time. But
right now, you know, I haven't looked at the data recently,
but the vehicle daily vehicle travel around the Thanksgiving point

(23:26):
has over the last six or seven years, has gone up,
you know, significantly, So travel times in northern Utah County
south Salt Lake County and the potential for uh for

(23:47):
really difficult congestion and slow travel times. I mean, UH,
you know, I don't want to I don't I don't
want to put too much of my uh own view
on this, but I anyway, I wish we had a
lot of open space there and parks, and you know,

(24:09):
I understand where are the point, you know, the concepts
coming from that we want to have a research center,
but it's not in the greatest location.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
So let me ask you this. One of the advantages
that Utah has, it's a younger state compared to other
states where they're average populations older. We have emerging workforce
coming online. At what point does the quality of life,
cost of living become so prohibitive that our greatest export
as a state is to our kids, our young people
finding employment, finding careers in other states that might not

(24:46):
have a two hour commute back and forth to work
or longer, as trajectories show, Utah might be heading towards.

Speaker 10 (24:54):
Yeah, I think that's a legitimate concern. I know anecdotally
I have friends whose uh kids have moved out of
state because they couldn't afford housing here. And what we
don't know is how many people want to come to
Utah don't because of our high housing costs. I think,

(25:17):
you know, we've had a slow down in both population
and employment growth in Utah over the last three or
four years, and I think some of that it can
definitely be attributed to our high housing costs. It is
cutting into our net in migration. And so I think

(25:38):
the housing costs, you know, that's one of the most
important components of quality of life, education, transit, with transportation,
and uh, you know, housing costs, those are those are
important components and and why people want to live someplace
and and uh high housing costs, I think really now

(26:03):
are affecting our economic growth.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Jim would from the University of Utah joining us on
our Newsmaker line. All right, when we come back. We
were talking about commuter times Greg earlier. Yeah, I'd like
to know from our listeners, you know, how long does
it take them to commute to work now? And are
they willing? You know, how long of a commute would
they tolerate if they were able to get into a
cheaper home.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, So when we come back in the next hour,
what's your commute time look like? And what is the
maximum amount of time where you you wouldn't go any
further in terms of what that commute time would look like.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I wonder what it's like now.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
I know for me, yeah, I'm probably forty minutes. If
it's are you taking crowded? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:44):
You know I heard read in the paper today people
have driven an hour and a half one way. WHOA,
all right, we'll get into that with you coming up
next on the Rowden Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
And we're finding out that people like Peter Navarro, who
they put in Jailly hand custom in the National Airport
with fiance and purp walked him out of that airport.
You know, he works for the president now and had
to do this. What they did to him, what they
did to Carter Page. I mean, it's just all of
it is is so diabolical, and now it's all it's
not subject to opinion anymore. You've got the documents that

(27:14):
show how they really conspire to do this in an
illegal way, and the information is coming out, you know,
in real time.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah. Yeah, So how about Michael Flynn, General Flynn?

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, and the amount of eight The problem is the
amount of money you have to spend defend yourself in
court against the US government. It's it's it will it
will bankrupt you. And I think it did hurt him
financially really bad.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
By the way, Era was just telling us, if you're
trying to get out of Park City today and you're
coming down to westbound I eighty, all right, forget it. Yeah,
either stay the night in Park City or go through
Echo Junction. A truck has lost everything.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, and it had a lot all over the place
right right, it's just all over the place that truck
apparently lot in it because it is everywhere.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
There's people commenting who just drove past going eastbound that
say it looks like a bunch of soda cans. But
whatever it is, it is every place and traffic is
at a standstill. Are you sure they aren't beer cans,
are you, Ray, Maybe they're beer cans. Maybe people get
up there and help out. And where is it exactly, Ray?
Is it right at the mouth of the canyon or
a little bit of this canyon? Is the only information

(28:22):
I have. Wow, I co exit near Exit one thirty.
All right, So if you're headed out of Park City,
out of Hebrew City, coming back down into the valley,
be ready for a very long wait.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, yeah, well, but you.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Know what you can do. But listen to us. You
don't have to be driving, you don't have to go there.
Just pull over the people do today and listen up
because we got a lot to talk.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
About, all right, last half hour we were talking about
the housing crisis and it you know, the medium price
home now I think up and down the Watatch Front
is about five hundred and fifty thousand dollars is the
number I've seen right around there. Right. If you're starting
a family, this is your first home, you can't afford

(29:08):
well maybe some people can, but it's pretty difficult to
qualify for a home in five hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
It is the average age of a first home buyer
is going up and up and up the age you
have to be older and older and older to be
able to afford your first home, your first home. Yeah,
and that's interrupting the years where you were getting married,
you getting having kids. You know, we all start in
our twenties and it's all kind of hard, but you
get we had I had here in the state of Utah,
an opportunity to you know, get a home and you know,

(29:37):
raise my kids mostly when in a home. Man, I
think these kids are going to be older. If you
have kids, you get married, you have kids, you might
not be able to buy that home for a while.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
And that's where you can afford to And what impact
does that have on the state? You know, where do
we put them? I mean mostly they'll be in town homes,
They'll be in apartments. Are enough there for young families
to move into and families want a home. Isn't that
part of the American dream grapes? I've always felt it,
that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Compound that problem with these hedge funds that are coming
in and buying whole subdivisions. Yeah, and they're just for
to be rentals. They are also keeping the housing market
high because they will come in and they'll pay because
they'd rather rent it. They've got that time asset where
they just want to just grab it and keep it away.
So your supply is already limited given the limited ground

(30:26):
we have, and then it's limited on top of that
when these companies come in and want to buy them
as investments, keeping the supply of homes even lower.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Real interesting analysis today in the Salt Lake Tribune about
the housing crisis how it's affecting people's commute. There are
four hundred and fifty thousand Utahs who commute at least
thirty minutes one way each and every day. See, I
don't think thirty minutes is bad.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
It's not good. I mean people have a lot longer
commutes than other metropolitan areas in the country. I think
thirty minutes is fine. Yeah, and you know we get
spoiled sometimes. I mean you look at the number of
lanes on I fifteen along the watt At Front. You
got five, six, seven lanes. You're not said, it really
isn't that you should be able to drive the speed
limit or ten miles above it in the heart of
rush hour. Yeah, and I mean it is going to
slow and it is going to every lane is going

(31:10):
to be full at certain times of the day when
you're starting the days and ending the days, but because
then they're otherwise empty or they're not as full and
the rest of the time. But that said, it's still
getting more crowded, and you're going to see that congestion
failure really never die down. You're not going to see
those open lanes in those times where the commute is
a lot short.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, seventy seven thousand people commute at least an hour
a day.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
One way in Utah. In Utah really seventy seven thousand
most of Tuila County of the the people that work.
It's it's the it's like I want to say, and
this was years ago when we were looking at this
and I was a public servant. It's like eighty percent
of the workforce was commuting out of Twilla County into
Soli County or beyond.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
And how long does that take? See, I don't go
out there a whole it's minutes at least.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure, but it takes
a while. But that's where people were moving to work.
I believe if I were king for a day, we
have we have.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Great royal counties.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
We have great rail infrastructure for manufacturing. We have great
assets in terms of all of our twenty nine counties
that we don't have to keep shoehorning seventy five to
eighty percent of Utah's population into four contiguous counties in
this state. We need to be able to see all
the counties grow naturally. And when I say grow, I'm
talking about even keeping your young people where they grew

(32:32):
up so they don't have to leave. We have our
rural counties are shrinking as we talk about this growth.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Years ago, remember the debate over where to put the
new prison you were involved in that, right, was in
one of the areas they were considering, was out there
in Eagle Mountain. Yes, remember that that was the site
that they were thinking about. We did a live broadcast
from out there. We went to a school where there
was a hearing that time. I was blown away because
I've never been out in that art of the state.

(32:58):
The number of people who live out there, Yeah, it's massive, right,
And I go, how do they get to work every day?
Because I think there's like a two lane highway out there,
that's about all you've got anymore. And how do they
get to work.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, so I remember they developed all all the property
you see west of Utah Lake got developed into the
town's you know subdivisions you see, and you had you
had some state roads that really Redwood Road, and you
had one that went in there. There was like two lanes,
and it's like, you know, you have like a transportation
a state transportation plan. And then all of a sudden
we said, hey, you know that transportation plan. We're stuck

(33:34):
out here. We need to come in. Yeah, well did
you give a memo? Did We didn't really coordinate this
very well because we have some projects that were supposed
to be lining up here that you weren't on the
You weren't on the list. We didn't know a zillion
people were going to live west of the Utah Lake.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
And five years all right, Well, we want to hear
from you tonight where you live in your commute times,
because I'd like, you know you Greg, you and I
we have it easy. But there are a lot of
people who are dressed you know, they're one of the.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Don't don't shut you, don't check life is you know,
your life is easy for people.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
A story in the paper, a woman who lives in Hiram,
which is Cash County. Commutes every day to Primary Children's
Medical Center. Yeah, that's a commute. Maybe that is eight
eight eight five seven.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Let's go to the phones and see what you have
to say. Tonight we begin with Dakota and Santa Quinn. Dakota,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Hey, not too bad, Thanks for having me on again.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Guys, you're welcome to Yeah. What's your commute? Like, Dakota?

Speaker 11 (34:33):
So I leave about five o'clock in the morning and
it takes me an hour to get to work.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
I will work just west of the airport.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
And coming home, I've been on.

Speaker 11 (34:48):
The road for two hours and fifteen minutes and then
just passing patient. Wow, I got about twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Let's go.

Speaker 12 (34:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Is that a normal commute? That sounds that sounds like
evers every day?

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Wow?

Speaker 10 (35:05):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Hang in there too every day. Well, I hope you're
listening to Rod and Gregg and your way home every day.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I want to help you. We got your back, Okay,
I do.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
I listen to you guys every day.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
See Hey, smart, Yeah, I got I never listened to
you guys. Yeah, all right, more of your calls eight
eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero eight
eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey
Rod on our talkback line downloaded with iHeartRadio and KNRS
dot com. At the mouth of Parlad. It's a big

(35:37):
truck spill and it's got it's got it jammed up
all over the place. But we're talking about your daily
commute to work. There's a story out today that because
of the housing crisis, people are moving farther and farther
out from where they work. Therefore their commute times are
getting a little bit longer. What say you, what's your
commute like? Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero

(35:57):
one zero eight eight eight five seven o eight zero
one zero on your cell phone dial pound two to
fifty and say hey Rod, Greg. Let's we'll be het phones.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Ben, who's
been patiently waiting from Twilla. Ben, Welcome to the Run
and Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Thank you, gentlemen, love your show.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Thank you all right.

Speaker 7 (36:15):
So highway so low current conditional situation, Yes, construction traffic
or highway State Route thirty six in Lake Point no traffic.
We're talking about no traffic. Twilla to downtown is usually
up about fifty minutes. However, morning commutes, evening commutes, you're

(36:36):
looking in an hour and twenty easily, and if there's
anything that happens, I've had an hour and forty seven minutes.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Wow, So Ben, why is it so much longer in
the evening. There's a trend happening with our callers talking
about how much longer the evening commute is from the.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Morning, everybody getting off at the same time. Could that
be in you coming?

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Do you go to work at a different time and
maybe others? I mean I from fifteen minutes to an
hour and twenty.

Speaker 13 (37:06):
Well, I blessedly have a flexible, semi flexible schedule, but yeah,
in the evening when everybody is trying to get out
and usually an hour to an hour and a half
time frame, much more constrained.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Yeah, terrible.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, all right, Ben, thank you, well, thank you. That's
a little bits the time.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Let's go back to the phones. Let's go to Carl
and provo. Carl, thank you for holding and welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (37:33):
I lived in California or something California for twenty years.
I drove one hundred miles every day from Corona into
LA and in my opinion, we moved back six years ago.
There's sections of this, just Dean, that's just as bad
as California during rush hours. It's as sections of it.
But me when we came, well, I left there did

(37:56):
in construction. When I came in construction in the same spot.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
I don't have to drive anymore.

Speaker 8 (38:04):
I don't have to drive there anymore.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
I can.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I live.

Speaker 8 (38:06):
I work two minutes from my house now. But when
I first came back, I would drive from Provo to
downtown Salt Lake, taking forty five minutes, And when I
was in California, it took me about an hour, maybe
hour and a half to come home on a Friday night.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
So to me, it was a big shock.

Speaker 8 (38:24):
For the rush hour of traffic here when I came back,
because it wasn't like that when we left.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, yeah, well more people anymore.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
He's exactly right. I mean, I've watched this this day.
It used to be and the traffic used to be
one direction in the morning and one direction in the evening,
and now it's really both directions. I mean, you have
the north and southbound lanes that are that are congested
going both directions now, well, not for me, not long ago,
but there used to be kind of a direction coming
into Salt Lake. So north in the morning south in

(38:53):
the evening used to be the kind of the thing.
Now it's both directions, yes.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Well, and on the south end grag you've got a
choke point and that is point of the mountain. Yes,
right now. It's improved in David's County where I go,
because not only I fifteen, but now you have Legacy
Highway and the West Davis Highway. So I think that's
lightened things up. But like I said, it's tough for
me to read because I come in a little bit
later and go home a little bit later, and usually

(39:16):
by the time, unless there's an accident, I usually avoid
a rush.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
This is where rail transportation infrastructure is going to start
to matter, because the hard part about getting on tracks
or front runner right now is that it takes so
much longer than your normal commute. But as if we
don't start growing beyond these four counties and it starts
getting slower and slower these commutes, it will be the
case like where you see rail, you know the subways,

(39:41):
and where people use railed infrastructure more frequently, that will
be faster as fast or faster to use it. And
that's just a that's just a timing thing. If we
continue to fill this valley, I'd like to see a
different way where we start to see industry, business and yeah,
jobs out.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yea right out. A little bit more. Here's what one
of our talkback liveners told us.

Speaker 11 (40:06):
Yeah, current commute forty five minutes from twel in the
West Valley. Longest commute was Seattle. I'd wake up at
three to leave the house of four to be on
the ferry by five.

Speaker 6 (40:18):
It'll work by seven.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Did that for god ten years?

Speaker 9 (40:25):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
So forty five minute.

Speaker 11 (40:27):
Ride twelve in the West Valley not too.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Bad, guys, that's all he gets up at three. It's
a relative four to get to sea.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, no, think that guy's a machine.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
We lived in Seattle. Seattle is a mess. Seattle very
similar to Salt Lake. You have one main thoroughfare which
is I five there, I two fifteen or I fifteen
year and that's what handles most of the traffic. It
can be a mess.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Man waking up at three get to work at seven
that that's a that he's a like. I said, that's
a machine we just heard on talk back then, because
that's so his forty five minute right, that is like
a skips.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
He's just strolling the work now, all right, eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero. Cell phone dial
pound two fifty, say hey Rod or download the iHeartRadio
up again knars dot com and you leave us a
talk back message.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
More.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
They're rodding Greg joke coming up. By the way, folks
out there coming out of Parley's westbound I eighty, we're
feeling your pain because there's there's tractor trailer that rolled
over there. Now, the unique thing about it is apparently
it was hauling beer.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
So if you are the if you and vibe, you
might find a little it's like an Easter egg hunt
out there. You might find a little treat. I don't
know what. I don't know what the kids do. I
don't know what's happening out there. Really a little hot
and shaken up. Yeah, that warm beer, all those cans
of beer. Man, there's gonna be I think there's at
least some people in college that are going to be
high tailing it over there.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, they're probably yeah, they'll go on foot. They probably
jumped on their bikes. I don't know, so rode up
the canyon. So we we you know there's that hanging there. Uh,
just be aware of that. You're coming out of Weber City,
coming out of Park City, coming out of Wyoming right now,
just be aware. I think i've heard absa right now.
There's about a four mile back up. I bet it's
going to get longer for this is all through because

(42:12):
he's all over the highway.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
And I think they're drinking it trying to get rid
of it. That's not going to work, folks. That's going
to take a lot longer. Okay, they're gonna get slower
as they're trying to remove.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Just tell people come on down and help us drink
this and we clean. Are a lot of volunteers, you know.
I got to do my bit.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, he's already out the.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Way out. That's all right.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Let's listen in to some of our talkback colors, because great,
great comments about the commute. We're talking about the commute.
You know, the housing crisis is expensive to buy a
home here. People are moving farther and farther away from
where they work, and that means extended commute times.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
It does. And these commute times are not short that
we've been hearing.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, no, they're not. Here's a caller, Hey.

Speaker 12 (42:59):
Rot, this is John from Riverton. Takes me twenty twenty
five minutes from Riverton and Murray in the morning, from
forty five minutes to an hour in the evening.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Who again. I know that people need to get to
work in the morning at different times, and that's why
it's sure p Yeah, that big of a difference.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
I think there is a begause. Most people leave about five,
but if.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
You get there early, you should leave earlier than five.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
A lot of people don't. You're dedicated employees.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I don't know. I'm surprised that how much longer the
evening commutes are being reported by our callers in the morning.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, here's another color.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
I'm an electrician and I work anywhere from Spanish Work
up to Parry, Utah. Right now, seems everywhere I go
there's construction. This is the number one problem with traffic,
whether that's coming out of Twilla or Riverdale that's been
under construction for eighty years for all five Banging or
Highway Exit one hundred and thirty fourth in both directions,

(44:02):
you name it. It's every way you turn, there's some
sort of roadwork going on.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I love that coming because it seems great. They're always
working on the same area as time exactly. Do you
get that said? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, no, and I've seen it. I've watched them literally
restruct I fifteen and turn around and redo it. Yeah,
it's in fact, I've seen some rebar they're pulling out
when they're doing it, and it's like brand new rebar
from that concrete that they're ripping out to replace because
they're going to add another lane before the before the
freeway ever aged.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Okay, the worst section of highway to drive on in
the in the Greater Salt Lake Valley area right now
because it's so pothole and ye know, oh what's the worst.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Section with potholes?

Speaker 10 (44:42):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Well, which back? I think?

Speaker 3 (44:44):
I just think the belt the belt loo was right
there on seventy seconds. Just a tough place to try
and commute in and out. Do you know it's hard
if you're going south or if you went north on
I fifteen, Yes, you have to get off to get
off seventy second or take two fifteen. You have to
exit off before you get to ninetieth. You see how
that works. So if I live in one hundred and
twenty third, I should be going to ninetieth first and

(45:06):
seventy second or two fifteen next. It should be in
the America. It should be in an American order. No,
you have to get off the off ramp to go
to seventy second south or two fifteen before you get
to the ninetieth South exit.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
That's true. Well, well that's what they call that a
collector route or something. It's a trick, is what it is.
It's a trap. It's a trap. Read the sign. Some
fall up.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Read them. It's just it's just counterintuitive.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
The worst section of road, in my opinion, in this
entire state, is from Centerville to Farming to northbound I fifteen.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
No, that may as well be Canada. I don't go
up there. You know you got Mounties up there watching it.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Stuart Adams is President of the Senate, right, he drives it.
Come on, start doing something.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Davis Freeway, what's it called?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yougcy like?

Speaker 3 (45:48):
No, the other one that just opened West Davis.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
That's too far west.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Well, you don't get Greek.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
You want a smooth road. From Centerville to Farmings right
up to Lagoon.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah, I'm a river. Yeah, nobody has it. Everybody's congested.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
People are, you know, buying homes in the outlying areas
like Tuilla County, Jewab County, Box Elder County. That means
longer commutes. But there's the other issue as well, what
about UTA tracks and front Runner.

Speaker 14 (46:16):
What I think needs to happen is a front Runner
needs to have some express trains that run from Ogden
to Salt Lake to Provo without the stops in between.
That way, it might be faster and they could do
it during rush hour as well. Maybe more people will
take front and Runner and it'll be faster.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
You know, are they working on that?

Speaker 3 (46:37):
They are?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
They are they doing something.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I love our listening audience because they're so dowaled in
they know what's going on. That is exactly what needs
to happen. It is being worked on right now. Right now.
There's portions of front Runner that are shared with Union
Pacific Freight, so there's parts where you had to kind
of pull over and let some pass. They're double tracking
that at the moment, but it is I believe it
is the intention of UTA to have an express train.

(47:00):
Now front Runners already packed. I mean, it's not it's
not lacking passengers at the moment. It is. It is
if if they were to stop front Runner and tracks
on a business day, I think commuters would learn very
quickly how many people park their cars and get on
the tracks in front Runner every day, which takes those
cars out of our way. For I've always said, I
don't if you don't ride on mass transit, you still

(47:21):
love it because there's a lot of cars that would
otherwise be on your commute that are that are parking
and getting on. But that that the caller bringing up
an express line is one hundred percent it's essential. We're
not going to get this valley isn't gonna work if
they don't get a very smart express train front Runner
train both pro bo Assault Lake and Ogden to Saltlake.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
I'm not downtown, so I don't see you very often.
How many people use tracks just to get around the
downtown area or are there a lot of pad I
would imagine during during drive times or work hours, But
how about during the middle of the day. Is it
heavily used? Still in a day?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
You know, I would tell you that the that the
tracks and even front Runner. Its capacity follows the road.
So if it's in the morning, commuter evenings, as it
is full, just like the roads are. Okay, in the
middle of the day where it's not as crowded on
the roads, it's probably the same capacity or people riding
on tracks. It kind of trends the same, the same pace, okay.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero
triple eight five seven eight zero one zero on your
cell phone dial pound two fifty, or you can leave
us I comment on our talkback line. Just go to iHeartRadio,
download the app and then load upknarrest dot com and
you'll see that as well. I don't see it getting
any better. I mean, more people are moving here and

(48:40):
more people are living here, but as are as our
caller said or guest said a while ago, this may
have an impact on the growth of the state if
we can't figure out the housing crisis. Greg, well, homes here,
what are we the seventh highest in the country right
now something like that.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, Well, what I don't think is sustainable as you
can not see the quality of life diminish and the
cost of living go up, the ability to buy a
home getting further and further away for our younger people,
and think you're going to have younger people in our
workforce bolstering this economy, helping it grow. You go to

(49:17):
a state like Wisconsin that's a little their population is aging.
I mean I used to talk to the Speaker of
the House there when I was speaker, and he'd say,
I could if I brought every company in America here,
we wouldn't have the employees because we're not a growing
population of young people. His state, this state has that
as a superpower, but we're not going to have it
if we've priced them all.

Speaker 7 (49:36):
Out of here.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
And I'm going to tell you it is just not
a sustainable trajectory to have the cost going up and
thinking that our young people are going to be able
to stay in the state. It's just not going to work.
And so something's got to give. I don't like housings ours.
I don't like the state get involved in housing. I
think it's infrastructure and the more roads and rail and
infrastructure you bring to other counties, not just the Wasatch Front.

(50:01):
That's where I think businesses can grow and populations.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
So you want to see businesses push out along with
the popular along alongside the population.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
If you keep just trying to shoehorn it all into
this wasatch front. I'm just going to tell you I
don't see that as a viable way forward. I really don't.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
And you've talked about that for a long long time.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
It's been what it is. And I look, I've seen
other When I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, all the
Class A office and everything used to be in downtown Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh.
It got very expensive to do when they had a
freeway that they opened a new I two seventy nine
that connected a northern part of the suburbs of Pittsburgh
that made it easier to get around. First, you saw
the population grow there because they could get into Pittsburgh.

(50:41):
And then you saw the office the industry what they
call them industrial parks, and you saw the office sparks
come up, and you start to see the Class A
office move out of the city and then move into
those new suburbs and areas where people were living. And
I think that that's what Utah needs to see too.
They need to see some of that population and they
see and then see commerce occur. You see the manufacturing

(51:02):
office that needs to get out of the waw seedch front.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
And Holmes, there's wholly so much more land that you
can build a home on in this veil. That's what
it's disappearing fast. Absolutely, It sure is all right. When
we come back here in the road and Greg schulmorl
talk about unlicensed drivers and what should do we do
about them? Here in the state state representative will join
us coming up next. Stay with us.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
We're going to visit an issue and we're gonna speak
with the state Representative Matt McPherson. This is an issue
we've already discussed. It was during the last gentle so
five February we talk to him, Yeah, and uh, and
the issue was important then, and I actually thought it
was so intuitive that this bill would have passed. But
given the truck accident that happened, uh in Florida with

(51:47):
the CDL license of an illegal immigrant that what Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
By the way, he's on his way back to Florida. Yes,
that's right there, him out of California today, So he's
on his way back to face.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
To face charges. And given the accident has happened, and
right now, Mark Rubio announced today that that they're they're
stopping all visas.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
For CDs.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Yes, around there's a lot of a lot of attention
on who is actually driving and who's behind the wheel
on our freeways. Are they here legally? Are they? Do
they know how to drive? Are they qualified? That brings
us to the bill that I thought passed and didn't
that represent Matt McPherson ran joining us on the program, representative.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Hi, Rob, Greg, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (52:30):
So before you describe your bill, maybe you could share
with our listeners what what does it look like if
someone who's here illegally it gets behind the wheel, starts
driving and is pulled over by a police officer. I
don't know that everybody would know what the what the
procedure would be if you were if a member of
law enforcement comes across someone here that's illegal and doesn't
have to have a license.

Speaker 9 (52:52):
Yeah, thanks, So that process starts primarily by first thing
law enforcement will always try to do on a legal
stop is try to identify the person behind the wheel,
So they'll ask for their registration.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Their license, any type of ID.

Speaker 9 (53:08):
Now if they can't provide any form of ID, and
a lot of times they'll ask them for their social
Security number, their birthday at their address, their name, try
to back it up with any information we have in
the system. So if they either refuse or cannot provide
any information to identify themselves under current law, that would

(53:28):
result in a ticket and infraction. And since they don't
have a name or an address to give that ticket
to any real person, they end up letting them go.
And so whatever the initial reason for the stop, whether
it was an equipment malfunction or if they were speeding
or any type of other offense, they simply just do

(53:50):
not do anything about it. They just let them go.
Now that we don't get that same treatment. If you
do provide ID and you do have your license, you
know you're probably going to get a ticket. You may
get a warning, but it's a very different process. If
they can't identify themselves right now, so.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
They can be cited, but they turn right around, getting
their car and drive away and nothing can be done
about it. Is is that my understanding representative.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
I would say, they won't even get a citation.

Speaker 9 (54:16):
There's no place for them to log any information, so
they just simply we'll just tell them how a night's.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Day and they'll drive away.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
So here's a life act that none of us want
to follow. Be here illegally and you'll never There's nothing
you could get pulled over for. You're just like a
get out of jail free car. Who knew.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
So you have a bill, a very smart.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Bill, potentially worse than that.

Speaker 9 (54:36):
It's potentially worse than that too, because you could also
have wanted individuals. In many cases, we do that simply
try to hide from law enforcement, and we don't know
what they're wanted for, and there could be very dangerous
situations that if law enforcement was ware who's behind the wheel,
who they're talking to, they may take different precautions. So
that's another issue that comes up in this bill.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
So you have a bill, maybe walk through what that
bill does, because I think our listeners when they hear
this and we know what's going on nationally, there may
be a lot more momentum and an expectation to see
this bill become law because it's what you've just described
is untenable here in Utah. We can't let that keep going.
So what does your bill do?

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Thanks?

Speaker 9 (55:14):
Yeah, The basics are is there's a couple of things. One,
we have to elevate the offense itself from a current
infraction to a misdemeanor. That's the same level of offense
if you're driving on a suspended or revoked license. Basically,
if your license isn't valid or if you've never had one,
it should be the same offense. You're driving illegally essentially,

(55:37):
so that elevation would give law enforcement just by itself
some additional options on how to treat these. The second
piece is on the identification side. Again with individuals trying
to avoid law enforcement, it would allow them to do
a rapid fingerprint scan. It's just a little device that
they put their finger on. It's the same thing if
you do get a ticket, they require your fingerprint in

(55:57):
most cases on the ticket. This doesn't create a record,
it just simply scans to make sure that they're not
currently in the wanted database. And then the last piece,
which is the most important piece, is if they cannot
provide any information to identify themselves, any proof that they're
allowed to drive on our roads, then law enforcement and
initiate an impound of that vehicle.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
There's a lot of carve outs on how that might look.

Speaker 9 (56:21):
So they could call like a friend or a neighbor
or someone to pick up that vehicle. If they have
a license, that person could pick up that vehicle and
take it away. So we're not trying to overload the
impound system. We're just trying to say that that car
can't just get right back on the road and keep driving.
That's a safety hazard for the public.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Representative. Do police run into this situation often? Not that
at once is allowable, but do they run into this
often more than we would think?

Speaker 9 (56:48):
Yeah, So, you know, I represent a part of West
Valley City, some of Salt Lake, and some of Magna,
and I've worked a lot with West Valley City and
Salt APD on this issue.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
I've gathered some data.

Speaker 9 (57:00):
The last legislative session, West Valley provided some data saying
that as much as forty six or even forty seven
percent of their crashes and their hit and runs were
involving an unlicensed driver, almost half a tremendous amount. And
since the legislative session, I've been gathering data also from

(57:20):
highway patrol. Obviously, in some areas it's more prevalent than others,
and you would see bigger spikes in a city like
West Valley or Salt Lake or Riverton, but highways should
cover the entire state, and their data showed just under
about ten percent of all drivers, all crashes and including fatalities.
I believe they said that we had eight fatalities last

(57:40):
year in Utah alone from unlicensed drivers. So this is
a significant issue that's impacting people, real people across the state,
and it's been growing over the last five or six
years pretty dramatically.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
We're speaking with a representative state Representative, Matt Macpherson, talking
about his proposed legislation of bill he's filed that would
identify those that are unlicensed and have no real right
to be behind the wheel. We don't know who they are,
law enforcement doesn't know who they are, and create a
much a safer process to either impound the car, get
to know or find out who they are. Even with
the database. This is an ongoing issue, so if you

(58:15):
don't mind, we'd like to stay on top of this
and maybe as we get closer to the session, you
could give an update on your prospects. I know that
these bills sometimes take a lot of work, and we
think there's a lot of sentiment that could help help
you pass this bill.

Speaker 9 (58:31):
I would appreciate that. I'm happy to keep talking to
you guys about.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
It, all right, stay. Representative Matt McPherson joining us on
our Newsmaker line talking about this bill. To me, it's
just common sense, Greg. Yeah, if you're if you're driving
without a license, you get pulled over for something, why
should you be allowed to get back into that car.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
It doesn't make sense, especially if you if you're a
citizen and you have an idea, you wouldn't. I mean
they if your car is so many months out of
uh should have been registered, they they'll impound it. If
you're if you're here illegally and you have no right
to be behind that cart, they don't. They just send
you along their way, you go. I mean in the world.

(59:12):
I mean it's yeah. So that's a that's a loophole
that needs to be closed.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yeah, one of those crazy loopholes. And fortunately Representative McPherson
is trying to work on that. All right, more coming up.
They're Rod and Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one
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Speaker 3 (59:27):
I think my utes team might have a game tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Do they.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Too early?

Speaker 11 (59:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I have to look, Yeah, that could that could be a.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Little too early.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Maybe maybe I'm jumping another week. You're you're watching your
Steelers for crying out loud. It's pre season and you're
yelling at him.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yeah, I know. They just gave up the dumbest touchdown.
There's no one remotely close. Whoever's on that previous play
needs to just be cut. They're not part of the
fifty three man roster that was. That was embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
I don't really care, Margaret.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yeah, first game is next Secon.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Oh is it Utah State next Saturday?

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
All right boy. A lot of reaction today, Greg to
the story we talked about yesterday in the New York
Times about how they were shelling showing the divines of
the Democratic Party in this country. Four point three million
former Democratic voters have now registered with the Republican Party,
and it's happening in every state all around the country.

(01:00:24):
It is, Yeah, people are leaving the Democratic Party.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
You know the book Selena Zena's book, Butler, she talks
a lot about some She dedicates some time talking about
people that grew up Democrats in Southwest Pennsylvania that they
just thought they were Democrats just because that was always
a way to go. And then they just the crime,
the crime in their lives and the things that were happening.
They realized that the party was not the party they
grew up with.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Yeah, it has changed.

Speaker 12 (01:00:46):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Scott Jennings on CNN last night talked about it.

Speaker 15 (01:00:49):
I think the Democrats are hemorrhaging voters because they've chosen
all the wrong constituencies. They seem to care more about
the illegal aliens and American citizens, violent criminals and law
abiding citizens in the Palace sending flag more than when
you take when you take, when you take those positions
on things like that, people tend to run to the
other party.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Did you hear the people on the panels true? Well,
it is true. They think they care more about criminals,
they care more about illegal aliens than they do the
American people. Donald Trump said, America first. They still haven't
got it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Nope, they don't. Nah. Isn't actually a straight pace retort?

Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Nah no, Uh, you can't do that. Can't do that
better than now. Joe Scarborough, Now, remember Joe when was
it It was? Was it after the debate or before debate?
I think sometime that Joe uh Scarborough from ms NBC
which is now ms now or will be soon defended

(01:01:48):
Joe Biden to the hilt. Yes, remember his comment, it's
a sharp as I've ever seen Joe Biden and those
who doesn't take a hike, right, Yeah he was. Yeah, well,
little Joey is kind of starting to change it. This
is list of what he talked about and the warning
he had for the Democrats on the show this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
You're trying to.

Speaker 16 (01:02:07):
Do everything to distract the American people from the fact
that you're screwing up on job one, and job one
is helping working Americans and helping the middle class afford
their lives and build a life where their children are
going to live better than them. That's the American dream.
And you have done nothing but playing politics over the

(01:02:29):
past of your net.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
It's really not that hard to do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
But they can't get off talking about illegal illegal aliens,
talking about crime, talking about transgenderism. They don't get off.
And then you've got this whack job in New York
man Donnie, who's talking every socialist, communist approach that they
want to take, and no one's challenging. No Democrats are
challenging him. Barack Obama is giving him advice for crime

(01:02:55):
out loud.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Yeah, the Zoolanders. You know, he's the leader of their party,
him aoc uh, Jasmine Jasmine Crockett, Bernard Sanners, and it's
all the it's all, it's the loons. It's the loons,
and they're running the asylum and they don't know how
to handle them. Fetterman has tried, you know, and I'm
not I was not a big fan of John Fetterman.
I don't know what the rehab did for him, or

(01:03:17):
the counseling when he went into after he was elected.
But he came back and he started talking some sense.
He's not an amen corner for Trump, but he doesn't.
He absolutely pushes back against the Democrat Party on some
of their insane positions. Yes, so he doesn't get reward
for it. There's nothing, there's no It's not like there's
someone out there that lacks the ideas or the common sense.
And if Fetterman has common sense, that's the state of

(01:03:38):
that party. But when he pushes back, he gets beat
up by his own party. They go nuts when he
pushes back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Yeah, and when we say pushing back, he's just saying,
let's have a little common sense in this discussion. And
they can't stand common sense.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Well, he's not pro terrorist, no, not pro Hamas. No,
he is not pro illegal immigration, He's not. He's for
the American worker and his workers in his state in Pennsylvania.
I mean, all those issues are the ones that Joseph
Carboard just said. The Democrats do not care a wit
about the everyday American in this country. They just don't
and they don't want to. You've had a couple of

(01:04:15):
voices that have that have tried to express that that's
where they come from, and they get beat up by
that party and they want to get rid of them.
And so yeah, that's where they're at.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Last segment, we were talking about drivers' licenses and CDL drivers.
We've got a call from Roy at Hill Air Force Base.
Here's a question about that tonight. Roy, How are you
welcome to the rod and Great show.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Good evening.

Speaker 10 (01:04:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:04:38):
My point is, should not Sean Duffy, the Transportation Secretary,
get involved, perhaps had the states audit their licensing or
something along those lines.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Yeah, and Sean Duffy, thank you for the call. He
is a great Secretary of Transportation and I do think
that he has the leadership and would do that. I
think that that's a logical step as they start to
look at who's really behind the wheel in these of
these vehicles across.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
And he's got a lot on his plate right now.
He's trying to make the sky safer. I mean, the
the FAA and the air traffic control towers way behind
on technology, many of them are. And that's a task
he's trying to take to make the sky safer.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
I keep hearing that Pete Buddha Jedge wants to maybe
run for president from the Democrats that I don't know
anyone that could have made a greater disaster of the
Transportation Department than he did. He politicized somehow, he politicized
roads and and harbors and and I mean he could.
It could not have been a worse job. I mean,
we never know who the transportation secretary is. We know

(01:05:43):
who it is because of the Palestine, you know, chemical
spill in Ohio and the rail He was awful, absolutely awful.
And he wants to run for president based on what.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Well, let's see, let's see new computer, new technology for
the air traffic control towers or DEI.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Yeah, he had racist roads. That's what he was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Worried about, all right, Mary coming up the Rod and
Greg show. Well, speaking of enjoyment, it's always fun to
talk to our next guest.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
This is our A lister, this is our weekly A lister.
This is everybody's fighting to get Stephen more of the
economists and you know Trump's White House economists on their show.
He's a regular.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yeah, yeah, Well, you see Steve, like you just mentioned,
often on Fox News. Occasionally he'll even show up on CNN.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
He will, he does Fox News, he does Fox Business.
He was just in the remember the time we could
ago he was in the White House talking to Trump
instead of our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Well hates joining us now. And Steve, we've been reading
you today and we have kind of come to realize
that you're not a big fan of tariffs to begin with.
But apparently there's some tariffs on coffee and apparently you
can't get your morning cup of coffee anymore. What's going on, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Well, coffee prices have been rising. They're one of the
fastest increase in the consumer pricing bags of a food items.
And it's basically it's coffee. You know what the other
food item that's rising a lot of price? What steak
and beef?

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yeah, so you know, they do things I like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Most coffee and beef. So and what's happening with the
cop I'm not sure why beef prices are going up,
but coffee price have gone up in no small part
because we've been post tariffs on the coffee beans that
come in from Colombia and from Brazil and some of
the South American countries. We don't really produce coffee beans

(01:07:32):
much coffee beans here in the United States, and so
the cost has gone up by about twenty percent for
a cup of coffee this year. And it shows that
tariffs are taxes, and tariffs do affect, you know, how
much you pay for things at the retail level. Now, look,
people can make an argument about whether tariffs are a
good policy or not, but I think it's important we

(01:07:56):
understand that, you know, terriffs will raise prices to consumers.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
What a thought full answer, you know, your your your
your newsletter this morning sounds a lot more amore. I know,
because this is more. You must have wrote this in
the morning before you had a cup of Joe that
you could afford, because it says you don't understand why
we would ever put terraffs on coffee there are no
jobs to be protected. We don't make it, we don't
know the climate for it. Make mornings great again. Get

(01:08:20):
rid of the tariff there, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
You know, in other words, so like steel terrorists. I'm
not a big fan of steel terrorists, but you could
at least make the case that the steel tariff will
you know, help uh, you know, domestic production, and then
then save jobs of steel workers. But we don't have
a lot of uh coffee producers here in the United States.

Speaker 11 (01:08:38):
We do not.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
We do not, we do not. Now, the other question
we had for you, Steve, because we know your.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I don't know, do you do you grow coffee? Uh
coffee beans in Utah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
This is Utah.

Speaker 7 (01:08:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
If you've heard about the whole coffee relationship, there's at
least publicly nobody's confessing to their coffee, you know, addictions.
So if you if you try to put a terrible
my red bull, then I think I'm losing my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
So all right, another question we have. Now we know
you're really good buddies with Donald Trump, right, and and we're.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
To admire him greatly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Yeah, well, we understand he's going down on patrol tonight.
Are you going with them, Stevens, he invited you to
ride along this on the on the border. No, no,
he's hitting the streets of Dross streets.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
I heard that news. But you know, I guess there's
level is going to go down Pennsylvania Avenue into But look,
I mean, we laugh about this, but I do that.
I've lived in d C for forty years. It is
an unsafe city. And you know, the the thing that's
really sad about it is there's a lot of crime.
You know, within a mile radius of the capital of

(01:09:48):
the United States. You know, you have a lot of murders,
a lot of robberies, a lot of uh, you know,
just all sorts of victims of assault in areas that
are within walking distance of the capital. And that's not
the way it should be. And Trump is right, you know,
the District of Columbia has had forty years to clean
up the violence and the mess and they haven't done it.

(01:10:09):
And so I applaud this, and most of the people
I know, Democrats and Republicans who live in or near
the Capitol are saying it's about time we did something
about the fact that you can't even walk down the street,
you know, at night in some of these neighborhoods without
getting mugged.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
You know, I'm switching topics. You're exactly right on that,
by the way. And I don't know how the Democrats
are ever going to argue against public safety, especially in DC.
I just I find that to be a bizarre position.
But why interrupt them. Let them keep going. I let
them be with Let you be you Democrats. We'll just
let you do that. But switching topics, there's something that
you pointed out also today that I that caught my attention.

(01:10:48):
United States currently has zero nuclear reactors under construction, while
the rest of the world is really getting their act
together in this in this form of energy utahs. If
you remember President Adams, our senate President MS. He's very
bullish on this, and we're looking at these small, modular
nuclear reactors. But tell me what does the runway look
like regulatory wise, and how does our how does our

(01:11:10):
country get up to pace because we know the demands
on the power grad just within a couple of years
or beyond what we have. How do we get this
how do we get this fast track?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Steve Well, you're right, and in fact, I think one
of the things that keeps me up at night if
I were you know, things that worry about in terms
of our future. And I look, I'm very bullish about
the direction of the you know country right now. We're
Trump in office, but we are running out of electric
power sources and we need we need more nuclear plants,
we need more natural gas pipelines, we need more LNG terminals,

(01:11:41):
we need a whole energy infrastructure. And I'm not taking
about you know some you know, solar panels and windmills.
I mean, we can get some our energy from that,
but you know, most of our energy comes from either
nuclear or oil or gas or coal, and we need
to continue to use those uh you know, the these
data and there's these massive data centers. You probably have

(01:12:02):
them now in the Utah. We've got a lot of
them here on the East coast. They use enormous amounts
of energy and it's estimated they're going to use three
times more energy by the end of this decade than
they're using today. So that puts a real stress in
our grid system. So we need two things. We need
the power source, we need you know, coal gas in

(01:12:23):
nuclear and to provide the electric power. But then we
need a secure grid system so that it you know,
if you want to take out the grid system and
the data centers, you could really paralyze our country. So
vulnerable here and it needs to be beefed up. And
one way to help do that is to build those
small nuclear reactors that could provide enough, you know, enough

(01:12:46):
electric power for say a town of a couple one
hundred thousand people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah. A final note for you, Steve, I understand I
think Jerome Powell and others are up in Jackson, the
whole Wyoming this week. Powells to give a speech tomorrow.
What do you expect them to say of anything?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Well, you know, he obviously he doesn't like Donald trumpter
doesn't like him very much. But there's been a huge
going on between them for a long time, and so
I think, well, you know, I was curious to see
what he says about the issue of whether we have
a rate cut in the future. I've come around to thinking, yes,

(01:13:23):
I'm with Trump. He wants a two hundred basis point decline,
but I think we should be twenty five or fifty
basis points. We're behind the curve. Would provide some additional
lift to the economy at a time when you know,
other than coffee beans and state, you know, prices are
pretty level.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Steve Moore join in. It's always fun to have Steve
on the show. He always says great insight and it's
going to be interesting tomorrow, Greg what Powell has to
say about interest rates because he's on his way out
so he can say whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
I think he's just going to throw him all tough
cocktail in the middle of him and just say I'm
just never gonna I'm never going to raise right here,
and if Trump hates it, that makes me happier. I
just think he's going to out of hubris and just
being obstinate. He's not going to touch rates.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me more coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Kay in arrests. Are you amazed? I am a little
bit at the fuss being created by the change of
logo for cracker barrel.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Yeah, well yeah, I think you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Made an interesting point. You think it's what agism?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Yeah, that poor old man. What do they get against him?
You know, he this is agism and the and the
and the elitist liberal leftist age of you know, identity
politics and victim politics. What do you got against the
old guy? He's standing next to that, he's sitting next
to that barrel. He was just doing fine. For how
long has that old man been there forever? I think
that old duffer he deserves to stay, you know. I

(01:14:44):
don't know why they would kick him to the curb
like that. I just think it's rude. It's agism. That
poor man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
So you're you're upset with this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
I think I think leave well enough alone. I think
I think that he was doing just fine on that logo.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Well, but I think it's it's rude. It's rude. You
wouldn't think it'd be that big of a deal. But
I mean, even the CEO of Cracker Barrel was on
Good Morning in America, I think yesterday announcing the change,
you know, and boy, there are a lot of people
out there who, like you, are saying, leave the poor
guy alone, sitting next to a barrel on his rocket.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Sure, right, that's right, he's you know, he didn't, it
wasn't hurting anyone. Why then we've got to be so
take him out? And they replaced it with what Cracker
Barrel in orange just on there by itself. I mean
the logo they replaced it with is a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Well. I don't eat there very often, but occasionally we will.
We're usually for breakfast, right, They good. I like the breakfast.
They have a lot of nostalgic stuff in there. It's
kind of fun to look around. They say they aren't
going to change that. We'll have to see.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Well, I don't know. If I'm if you're the old
man and you just got kicked off the sign, I would,
I'd be trying to take pictures of the place. It's
probably going to change inside too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah, well, well, I think it already has in a
few places it has. Speaking of restaurants, Caroline Leavitt, spokesperson
for President Trump, really ripped into the New York Times
today good after the New York Times repeated a story
and The Post had this today as well, that the
restaurant business has fallen off like thirty one percent since

(01:16:15):
the crackdown ordered by President Trump nationally, No in downtown
in downtown DC, Okay, fallen off thirty one percent? Well,
Caroline Lovitt said, not so fast. Actually, it is up now.
The first week it went down, people didn't know what
was going on. But now the second week into this.
Guess what, it's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Up because people aren't afraid to go People.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Aren't afraid to go downtown anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
There you go. Good, I'm glad she's setting them straight.
They again, the regime media has no interest in the truth.
They don't want anything that Trump does to be reported
as successful. They're going to find anything they can to
make it sound negative. And we just have other connuitz
of communication that have to correct the record constantly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Yeah, all right, how long has it been, mister hows
since you've read a book, not just any book whatsoever.
What's the last one you read? Actually reading?

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
It was Kirk Schlicker's Well, I'm reading Butler.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
You're reading Butler zito book on the attempted assassination.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
I'm reading Butler right now. I read it off and on.
I'm not like reading every single day, but I'm reading
that book. But the last book that I finished was
our guest in the first hour, Kurt Schlicker's fiction, Uh
novel Los Angeles. I like that one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Yeah, yeah, now see, I used to love to read.
That's my way I've had. I'd have books stacked all
over the Yes, I haven't read a book. I started
reading original sin. Oh, that's right, but I never finished it.
It just got so repetitive.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Yeah, we knew he was dingy. Yeah we noticed he
was dinging, but we didn't do anything about it. Next chapter,
Yeah we knew he was dingy. Yeah he was failing,
but we didn't do anything about it. That's what that
book was all about. I haven't read a book in
a long time, and this study out today shows the
number of Americans who just read for pleasure. That's what
I do to escape. I have some favorite off thirds
I like. I know you do too. Has fallen forty percent.

(01:18:04):
That's that is that's a that's a big drop. The
research done by the University of Florida and University College
London have found that between twenty two thousand and three
and twenty twenty three, twenty years, daily reading for reasons
other than work and study fell by about three percent
a year.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Now, I got to tell you, I like Kindle. I
like and sometimes I'll do audible where I'll read with
Kindle or I'll listen to it if I'm driving, but
it keeps it actually keeps a bookmark on my Kindle,
so if I listen to it, it'll tell me on
my kindle where I last left.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
You're using technology.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
There I go.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
I'm impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
I'm kind of a whiz that way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
I hear that. Thanks for noticing those fantastic get smart glasses.
That's it for us tonight, head up, shoulders back, May
God bless you and your family. We'll be back for
Friday tomorrow, starting it for

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