The Rod and Greg Show: Who are the No Kings "Peacekeepers"?; Trump Right About Iran All Along

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm glad that the common senses is prevailing on all fronts.
There's so many examples of America's coming back. Baby, the
common sense is coming back. You haven't worried a little
bit about Amy Cony Barrett. The worries not finished, but
I like to see her on the right side of
good Supreme Court rulings. Today, the Supreme Court ruled that

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the Tennessee ban on gender affirming care for minors that
would be I would call it the chemical and actual
castration of children ban has been held as constitutional in
a six to three decisions, So that's UH. That's a
partisan decision, but six to three decision in the case
protects protects these kids from from the from having their

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being castrated.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
UH.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
And in all the sorts, the court ruled that the
that the Tennessee UH determined that these interventions of gender
affirming care at risk, including irreversible irreversible steril, the increased
risk of disease and illness, and adverse psychological consequences. The
legislature found that the lack of the miner's lack of

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maturity to fully understand these consequences, that many individuals have
expressed regret for undergoing such treatments as miners, and that
the full effects of such treatment may not yet be known.
You know, the this is again, this shouldn't be earth shattering,
This shouldn't be the what I lead the show with
in terms of a grand announcement, but it's we live

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in a time where you know that that is an
incredibly important ruling. Twenty six states, so twenty five others
other than the state of Tennessee have similar legislation, including
the state of Utah. So and again, let kids be kids.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
The biggest hypocrisy of all this, for me personally, has
been that the gay community, the LGBT community, when I
was a state lawmaker, they were totally against transition therapy,
one hundred percent against it. And you ask, well, why,
I mean they're all in right now, They're only in
on a certain version of it. There was a time

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where people felt that if there was a same sex
attraction among that miners were feeling that there was a
way to I go to therapy, to go through a
process where they could be attracted to the opposite sex.
And so the gay community in Utah came and wanted
and passed, we passed a bill that said that you

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can't you can't do this to kids. You can't do
this gender affirming care or transition therapy rather, and they
were all into it. And then one day we woke
up and they said, wait a minute. Gender is fluid.
It could be anything you want. You know, it's it's
if someone's same sex attracted. That might be just a
man trapped in a woman's body, a woman trapped in

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a man's body. Who are we to say, we don't know.
It's not chromosomes, it's how you feel. It completely turned
on its head all the logic they had used prior
to why they felt that there shouldn't be any kind
of therapy for regarding their sexual preference at all. They
wanted that not to be the case. Well, I think
the Supreme Court would rule that we're going to just
let kids be kids. They don't know the consequences. We

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as a society don't know the consequences. We've heard a
lot of stories either way. The one thing that this
bill does not do is discriminate against anyone. There's people
out there that are going to say that, you know,
people that have gender dysforia and don't know what gender
they are or think that they're gender is fluid that
they've now been discriminating against. We've gone through this battle

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with sports. We were told that the number of boys
that want to play girls sports is decimal. Dust it's
so small by way of a percentage that you're just
picking on these poor individuals who just who don't really
know what gender they are, or they do know they
think they're a boy, born as a boy, but think
they're a girl, and you.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Should just leave them alone.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I said years ago when this started that oh, if
it were more people, would you then ban them from sports?
And would you feel better about it if it was more.
But we see now that it's at least common enough
that you're seeing it in NCAA Division one sports swimming,
you're seeing it in the Olympics in boxing, you're seeing
it in a top tier athletic event competition. You're seeing

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boys competing against girls in a profoundly and fundamentally unfair way.
So that's again, these are things that this is back
to this week's discussion about the eighty twenty rule. Eighty
percent of America thinks what I just described is common sense.
Twenty percent of the Democrats and leftists and elitists think
that that what I'm saying isn't true, and that we

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gender is fluid and any boy should play any girls
sport and we shouldn't complain about it. In addition to
that decision, the Supreme Court is also allowing I believe
the president to deal with this issue of transgender people
in the military, and I think that's a good decision
as well.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Okay, folks.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Also on the show today, we're going to be hearing
from Ian Hallworth. We're going to talk and that's actually
this hour. We're going to talk to him about I
We had his robust discussion yesterday. You participated in the
calls about Trump. Trump's foreign policy, make America, you know,
make America great again? America first? Is his whatever you

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want to define the involvement of the United States and
President Trump's leadership as the president of the United States
with the Israel Iran conflict. Is this consistent with who
he's been in his first term, how he has campaigned
and how he has led Is it a contradiction? Is
it or is it consistent? We're going to get into
that with Ian Hallworth. He is an author political commentator

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and with the what is it the well, this is
a substack article, but he's he's he's a prolific writer
and contributor. So we're gonna talk to him. And then
I am just this one. I cannot wait for our guest,
Clark Oposion. He's with the Utah Shooting Sports Council. They
have a show on this very program every Saturday. I

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need to get my head around this whole peacekeeper thing
that happened this weekend at the No King's rally. This
leftist organization had what they what's being described as peacekeepers,
those that were supposed to keep the peace, keep violence
from breaking out. One of these peacekeepers shot an individual
and then shot a bystander, killed a bystander accidentally. The

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person that was shot but not killed was charged with murder,
had a gun, had assault.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Rifle, the reports say.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
But what I don't understand about this whole thing, and
what we're going to try and unpack in the five
o'clock hour, is that the guy that was charged with
murder never fired a shot. The guy that actually shot
someone up, at least right now, I don't believe he
has been charged with anything. And there's just a lot
of questions, a lot of questions I have.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
There's a lot of questions I think lingering out there
were thesecurity officers. Were they licensed by the Department of
Professional Licensing? Where they part I believe I've pulled off
enough documentation that they these whatever you want to call them, security, peacekeepers,
whatever you want to call them. They were part of
the organization this five zero five OHO one organization that

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put on the No Kings protest rally, part of their plan,
part of their organization. That organization says they were volunteers.
But okay, they're volunteers, but I still don't get According
to law enforcement Salt Late PD, they were not informed
there would be an element of security on their part there,

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but certainly not armed.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
I don't think that.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I think I've got a statement from the Salt Lake
PD they were unaware of this presence during the protests
as well, and in fact, some of the documentation from
this organization told these people that were supposed to do
this job, you might not want to tell the police
what you're doing because it might escalate things, and instructing
them to maybe not coordinate with the police. Lots and
lots out there. I want to get into that here

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from Clark. Hear what he has to say here from
you as well, if you have a take or if
you have any opinions about all of that. The guy
that was shot, I mean, if he didn't actually point
that rifle. We are an open Cary state. There's nothing
against the law that I'm aware that you can't have
a gun. Is it wise to be at a No
King's rally protest with a gun with an AR fifteen

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whatever it was. I think it's dumb. I think it's
crazy to be walking around with one of those, or
even having one in a bag. But was he pointing
it was? It was there eminent danger. It's very murky.
I'm not kidding it. So we're going to get We're
going to get into that too. And got some issues
I want to go over with Trump the.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Again.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
We're going to be talking about Israel and I ran
here for a while. I don't think this issue is
going to go away. We're going to continue to talk
about some of the facts, some of the things going up.
And oh, by the way, the DNC, the Democrat National Committee,
they're broke, they got no money. We'll go over that
to New York Times. Of all people are admitting that
the party has no money, and.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
I'm upset.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I'm glad this chair has sides on it so I
don't fall off my chair in devastation and horror.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
But yeah, Dan C's broke.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
We'll get into that too here on the Ronning greg Show,
on this special edition of Wingman Wednesday. On Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine Canters, Rod is away this week.
He comes back from his vaca next week. Although E
Ray and I have a we have a running theory,
maybe possibly even a wager with Rod that he will

(09:38):
become home sick because he always comes home sick when
he travels. Last time he got sick, it was just
going to a movie theater. He didn't even travel, He
just went to a movie theater and there wasn't like
a window open, and somehow he gets sick. So we
think Barry White itis is coming for Rod when he
gets back to back from from his vacation. But in
the meantime, we're going to keep going. We got so

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many much that no one nothing stops. Everything keeps going,
everything keeps happening. I wake up every morning and we've
just got a I don't know a cornucopia of issues
to explore and to uh and to figure out. So
I told you before the break that the Democrat National Committee,
Uh well, let me just read this in the New

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York Times headline, because it's a beautiful one. I quite
like it. The this is something you think you'd read
in Fox News, but it's from the New York Times.
The d n C is in chaos and desperate for cash.
He's busted. He doesn't have any money. He's got no money.
Him and Johnny Cash, they're on skid row. So what
happens is he comes in. He's from Minnesota. So Tim

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Walls helped guy get this guy elected, and uh he
used the Minnesota Democrat party chair. They he was the
head of some you know, party chair association. Seemed like
he could bring people together. But upon getting this job
as the DNC chair, he just hasn't had any luck,
any good luck. At least they had that kid, David Hogg,

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twenty five year old, that one of the primary all
of the Democrat elected leaders in Congress, which hey, I
don't know, maybe they deserve it, maybe they should be,
but Democrats certainly didn't like it. So they had a
redo on that election, and they said, and the party
that defends democracy, we're just going to kick you out,
twenty five year old David Hogg because you're just causing
too much trouble. So he's getting kicked out. Doesn't look

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like that's making anything better. Major fundraising donors have decided
that they don't want to throw good money after a
bad cause, and their coffers are empty. In addition to that,
they've got two of the largest two large unions, labor
unions that represent probably combined three point two million workers

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are leaving the Democrat National Committee as members. And I'm
sure they pay dues to be members, so that that's
dollars as well. This is how bad it gets when
this a guy named when a guy named Rufus Gifford,
who would who would Rufus be? Or he's the person
who served as the finance chairman for Kamala Harris's twenty
four campaign, twenty twenty four campaign. That's that's a heck

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of a point to put on the resume. They spend
a billion dollars in how many weeks and got crushed.
That's a that's the last guy you'd want telling you
what's what. But he's quoted here in New York Times
is saying that that the relationship with top donors is
absolutely terrible, and that the Democrats they're just sending the
wrong message, you think. But what scares me is, I

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don't know that they think that the wrong message is
any more saying than the one that they're sending right now.
They might he might be arguing for something crazier, I
don't know, but he says that what we're seeing is
headline after a headline of incompetence and infighting, and it's
not just a problem for the DNC but for the
larger Democrat brand. So they there's there's a lot of

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reasons why they don't have any money. But the biggest reason,
I would say is that there's a there's a Margaret
Thatcher quote, and I can't I don't have it in
front of me, so I'm just pulling out a memory.
But it's something like the familiar problem with socialism is
that they run out of spend spending other people's money.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
So the DNC, if.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
They're communists, socialists, elitists, leftists, you put the name to
who you think those Democrats are. They've been spending everyone
else's money. For a long time, and they've had quite
the grand time doing it. Now they're in trouble because
they don't have any of their own way to spend.
They just like spending other people's money whose money should
be spent. I don't know how about all these billionaires

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that seem to care about the same cause as they do.
How is it that the unions that are leaving the
DNC are actually joining the leaders of these unions are
joining these no King protests and their organizations. They're starting
to fragment. Remember how during the campaign and since the
campaign and President Trump's won, I've just marveled that the

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Democrats have been the party of subtraction, well within the
Democrat National Committee. Now they their party. Their subtraction is
their donors, their leaders. They're fragmenting off into other financed organizations.
Now we see that these NGOs now have a bucket
of federal money that they can spend make money on.

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I thought all the billion leftist billionaires were funding all this.
Turns out they make a lot of money federal money
on this too. But isn't it funny that none of them,
with all the money they can raise NGOs whatever it
may be, no, King's rallies whatever cost to do that.
The you know, the Churla communist people that were organizing

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the La riots and the ones going on around the
country about illegal immigration, none of them want to give
to the DNC. None of them are going back to
the Democrat National Committee or donating there. They're all kind
of doing their own thing now.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
So I.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Wish nothing but the worst for him. I think this
is great news for us, but no, it just shows
the state of things. It just shows, as we've discussed
this week about the eighty twenty issue, how in the
world our Democrat elected officials, grassroots talking head pundits, regime media,
how are they all so stuck on issues that America

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subscribes to in the twenty to thirty at best forty
percent range.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Why are they still there?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
The answer that I think we've come up with together,
as we've spoken with different guests, is that as soon
as Donald Trump comes out with a position, they have
to be away from that. So he's embracing the common sense,
you know, logical way forward that isn't just a Republican issue,
it's a common sense you know out for every day

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Americans helping every day Americans prosper he embraces those issues,
and that they can't at that point, they have to
abandon that issue. They can't even get near it because
then they would be seen as supporting Donald Trump. And
that's that's the that's the cardinal sin amongst the Democrats nowadays. Okay,

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when we come back, we're going to need to talk
about Donald Trump. We talked about this yesterday, but we're
going to dive into it a little bit more in
terms of Donald Trump's foreign policy and as america First agenda,
is he betraying it by engaging with Israel, with Iran.
We'll talk to him when we come back after the break,
maybe unpack this a little bit. You're listening to Utah's

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Talk radio one oh five nine Canteras. We talked a
lot yesterday, but we're going to continue to talk about it.
I keep seeing it on the news. I'm listening it
to the on the on the radio as I listen
to the radio. The issue with Iran, Israel and the
United States participation it continues to be a front burner
issue on the minds of everyone, and there's a lot
of people questioning about where Trump is versus where they

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thought he might be if you know, with this all
happening and some people that are maga are disappointed. President
Trump was questioned about this at the White House today
this morning. Let's have it listen.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Have you even to.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
Answered questions about whether you are moving closer you believe
the US is moving closer to striking Iranian nuclear facilities?

Speaker 7 (17:14):
Where's your mindset on.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
That you can say that?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Right?

Speaker 6 (17:17):
You don't seriously think I'm going to answer that question.
Will you strike the Iranian nuclear component? And what time exactly?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Sir?

Speaker 8 (17:26):
Sir?

Speaker 6 (17:26):
Would you strike it? Would you please inform us so
we can be there and watch. I mean, you don't
know that I'm going to even do it.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
You don't know.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
I may do it, I may not do it. I mean,
nobody knows what I'm going to do. I can tell
you this that Iran's got a lot of trouble and
they want to negotiate. And I said, why didn't you
negotiate with me before all this death and destruction? Why
didn't you negot I said to the people, why didn't
you negotiate with me two weeks ago? You could have

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done fine. You would have had a country.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's powerful words dumb, silly question by the media. Can
you just tell us what you're gonna do. He's not
gonna He's being cagey about it, as he should. He
shouldn't let anyone know. But but I think that last
part of that what you heard was, boy, why didn't
you want to negotiate in good faith when before bombs
started falling and missile started being shot. Joining us on

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the program to discuss this further is uh is Ian Howarth.
He is an author political commentator. He has a show
on YouTube, a YouTube channel Off Limits with Ian how
how Earth. Uh, Ian, thank you for joining us here
on the program. Now, look, I thought that Trump was
always anti war and wanted to get us out of wars,
not to get us into them. Uh what what is

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Trump's agenda here?

Speaker 4 (18:41):
I know?

Speaker 7 (18:41):
Bad times for the online I think right now there's
a lot of people furiously tweeting.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, right now, it seems like people are trying to
argue that Trump was an isolationist who had no interest
in any kind of Uh. If if there was a
threat to the United States intervening in any way, I
think you're I You're I think you're seeing it differently.
Maybe share their readers or listeners. What what what? What
you think the history with Donald Trump has been in

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regards to America First and protecting American interests.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's quite clear that Donald
Trump is not an isolationist. He's not in favor of
so caoled forever was. He's not in favor of you know,
regime building or nation building or any of that stuff
that has been a failure in recent decades. But that
doesn't mean he wants to just lock the door and
hide his hand on the pillows and assume that the
world isn't existing. I think that's a big problem, especially

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with the online right, is that they see Trump and
a lot of people try and project their views onto him.
They try and project what they want Maggot to be
onto Trump. They want what they want America First to
be onto Trump. And you know, as Donald Trump said,
he gets to define what that stuff means.

Speaker 9 (19:52):
He is the leader of that movement.

Speaker 7 (19:54):
And if you actually look at the history of what
Donald Trump first, Donald Trump has been saying four years,
you know, well over a decade, that Iran cannot have
a nuclear weapon, and people are surprised that he actually
believes what he says, that's the whole point of Donald
Trump's that he kind of flies in the face of
all a lot of politicians do. He actually does what
he says, which is quite a surprise to a lot
of people in Washington, I'll tell you. But when it

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comes to Iran, he understands the threat that Iran poses
because it's not just about the debt to America chance
that a lot of people seem to think we shouldn't
care about. We absolutely should, But it's about the terrorism
that Iran is fermenting.

Speaker 9 (20:29):
Across the world.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
Is the fact that they are actually trying to assassinate
Donald Trump, which if you are pro Donald Trump, you
should oppose. But also they are responsible for the death
of many, many, many American citizens, both military and civilian,
and so I find it very hard. We can obviously
have a debate over America's involvement in this it's not
really even a war at this point, in this assault

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on the Iranian nuclear facilities, but I think if you're
going to say that you're America first, then you have
to explain how you don't care that Iran is going
to get a nuclear bomb if we just lead them
to it, and they will use it against not only
American allies but the United States if they could. I
think people really need to make a decision of what
they believe American First to be, because I think Donald

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Trump's is far more consistent than anyone I've seen online.

Speaker 9 (21:17):
You seem very upset about all.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
This, certainly, Look, people have such short memories. The Middle
East tour that he engaged in was historic. There was
so much attention brought to that, and I thought I
heard of President's try to bring Arab States into the
Abraham Accords. I think that he was warning that Iran
cannot have a nuclear weapon, and there was a bright
line being drawn there, and he was even reaching out

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to the Iranian people saying, I want you to be
a happy and prosperous nation, but you cannot have a
nuclear bomb. So if you hear what he said in
his Middle East tour, how can what he's doing now
be inconsistent with his message during that diplomatic tour.

Speaker 7 (21:57):
I think it's really a lot of people This is
the same on both sides of the Aisle.

Speaker 9 (22:02):
But you know, we're talking about people on the so
called right who are surprised by this. You cannot be
surprised by Trump.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Trump says exactly what's on his mind. It's a blessing
and a curse in many ways. You cannot possibly to
be surprised when he's been saying the same thing for
I think fourteen years at least, and you're suddenly surprised
that he means it, you know, I mean he evaporated
an Iranian general during his last term. You think he's
actually opposed to actually acting in the defense of Americans,
which is his really sole purpose as.

Speaker 9 (22:29):
Commander in chief and president of the United States.

Speaker 7 (22:31):
I think a lot of this is really just childish
naivety of thinking Trump is everything you want him to be,
rather than just Trump as an individual who has control
over his own destiny and he does what he wants
and he says what he's going to do. You should
want that in the president of the United States, rather
than him just being a vessel of various other interests
who live behind keyboards and do much not much else.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Right, And you just mentioned it, you know, he went,
he got sole money and wiped him out.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
He crushed ices.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
I love it that he called North Korea's Kim Jong
on rocketman and said, you keep firing those rockets. We're
going to send the ones over to you, and they
actually work, okay. And what happened was, you know, Kim
jongong he wanted to shake his hand in the demilitarized
zone and say we're good.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
We're good that.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Peace through strength and not really always engaging militarily, but
just being strong doing what needs to be done. Hasn't
this president earned our trust that if he's seeing something
that would require an escalation, that it isn't just the
neo cons it's not just the industrial military complex. There's
something that needs our immediate attention. Shouldn't we be able
to trust him on this?

Speaker 9 (23:38):
You think so? Certainly. I mean in terms of his
entire policy positions.

Speaker 7 (23:43):
I think foreign policy is one of those where he's
had in a history of success after success. I think
it comes down to the fact that I think there
are people out there who are genuinely conservative, genuine Republican,
and they see this happen, they say, well, I may
have concerns, but you know, Trump is the person I
voted for based on his history in this matter, So
I'm going to trust him, at least in the short term.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
But I think there are a lot of people who
are quite.

Speaker 7 (24:05):
Willing to wave the MAGA flag when they were getting
exactly what they wanted in the short term. But the
second Trump strays from this, they're throwing the same old
tired talking points that Trump is a neo colm, that
Trump is a warmonger, as if war never existed before
the United States came into being. It's again so much
childish naivety that really is very, very similar to what

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we see on the left, a lot of people saying
that America is to blame for all of this, as
if the Middle East was just fine got involved, that
radical Islam will just go away if we just leave
them alone.

Speaker 9 (24:39):
It's just laughable, it is.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
So let me let me I feel some of the
frustration out there. And you know, you see these these
video montages of Benjamin Ntinyahoo's saying that Iran is going
to have a nuclear bomb in the next ten seconds.
Since I don't know, for twenty years he's been maybe
saying the same thing. I do not like it when
Lindsay Graham is giddy when he excited. I just it's

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not where I want to be on the political spectrum.

Speaker 10 (25:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
It's just exactly so I got an excited Lindsay Graham.
I've got I'm looking at Netanyahu's saying that there's that
Iran's always been ten minutes away from a nuclear weapon.
So with that, I can understand at least some of
the cynicism or worry. What would you say to those
good listeners of ours that have those concerns, those red flags.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
Yeah, I mean a good rule of thumb is to
always distrust politicians. And so the idea that we should
just accept what any politician says is a given. I
think it is a little silly, but also two things
to mature at once. Iran could be Obviously it's a
little hyperbolic saying, you know, there's seconds from getting a bomb,
but Iran has been seeking nuclear capabilities NonStop for decades,

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and Israel, in many ways, and with American support, in
many cases, it's been scuffering that. But they've been doing
it in lower level ways, like implanting viruses into their
infrastructure and much more limited strikes on certain facilities or
taking out certain nuclear scientists.

Speaker 9 (26:02):
That kind of thing.

Speaker 7 (26:03):
But that doesn't stopped Iran from actually trying to obtain
this technology. And so the idea that he's been saying
this for years is in some ways because of the
fact that Iran has been seeking this capability for years,
and it's in many ways I think this is Menya
whose primary goal in life is to oppose the Iranian
goal to achieve nuclear capabilities, which they would use in

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an instant against Israel. And in many ways that almost
led to October seventh and away because the understandable obsession
with Iran really left a blind spot for groups like
Hamas and to a lesser extent, has Vala and the
Huthis and things like that. So I think doesn't make
me a defender of Menya, who I don't really voice

(26:47):
my concerns on Israeli politics because I live in America.
I care about America. But the fact that someone has
been saying something for years doesn't make it not true.
You can certainly add the normal level of political hyperbole
of Iran's going to blow us all up in three
seconds if we don't do anything, but that doesn't make
the underlying message false. And one last thing, not to

(27:09):
go on talking too long. But I also think there's
an understandable like syndrome following the Iraq War where a
lot of people are understandably very concerned about the idea
of another war that we're entrenched in the Middle East
and that kind of thing, which is perfectly understandable, but
that also can mean that every war is in the
same way or equal to the Iraq War. There were
many mistakes made with the Iraq War. There were many

(27:30):
lives told about the Iraq War. That doesn't mean that
every nation in the Middle East is good or doesn't
want to achieve our destruction. And the fact that they
are chanting get to America, and then the Io toler
is coming out saying that's not a slogan, that's a
policy that should concern people. And if that means war,
if that means diplomacy, if that means using our economic

(27:51):
power to try and enforce some kind of policy change,
you know, that's a discussion we can have. But the
idea that Iran is not a threat, I'm sorry you.
People need to open their eyes if they believe that.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
And thank you so much for the discussion, folks. I
let this run along. We have to go right to break.
We'll be back. You're listening to can RS Talk Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine canais, Hey, super quick,
We have less than a minute before we go go
to the top of the hour. I just want to
say you coming up on the show. Clark Opposion, Utah
Shooting Sports Council. He has a show here on Saturdays

(28:22):
on canter S. We're gonna talk to him. He is
my guru when I was a public servant on everything
gun's gun you know, right to bare arms or Second
Amendment rights. We're gonna unpack this whole peacekeeper. Somebody was shot.
The person that was charged for attempted murder never fired
a shot. The person who fired and act and killed

(28:43):
a bystander never charged at least not. Now we're gonna
unpack that when we come back. You're listening to Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine to an ers anyway,
joining us on the show. A great friend of mine,
Clark Composion. He is a president of the Utah Shooting
Sports Council. He has a great show here on canter

(29:05):
S on Saturdays. Clark, welcome to the program.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Hey, thanks, Can I be your wing man for the
next little bit?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Absolutely, sir, You'll you know you kind of unofficially are good.
You know, every OK, I gotta tell I gotta tell
our listening audience. You know, when I was in the house,
I mean when when issues came up about guns and
about our second moment rights, Clark Opposion was the man
that you'd want to talk to.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
I mean, we had a lot of round tables that
what's that if I did.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Anything wrong, you hold my butt into your office.

Speaker 11 (29:34):
So I was got in trouble.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
So yeah, I was never I would never do that.
Who you're talking about? What are you crazy? All right?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
All right, Clark, help us out here. We got these
piece key we got first, we got the No King's
protest rally, whatever they want to call it. You've got
a you got a group, a well funded leftist group
fifty fifty five oh one or fifty to fifty one,
whatever they call themselves. That that got the licensing and
the permits for it. I describe the Salt Lake PD
in the city of Salt Lake, where they're going to

(30:02):
be what they wanted to have done, and then someone
pulled a gun and pulled it looked it sounds like
from reports in Air fifteen, and there were peacekeepers they're
titled peacekeepers, and shots were fired. An innocent person, a bystander,
was killed and another person was shot, but the person

(30:23):
who went who's been charged with murder isn't the and
the person who actually fired a shot, it's one of
these peacekeepers. I don't know what a peacekeeper is. Do
you can you tell us why the charges went the
way they did. I'm confused by it all.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I agree with you. I wish the media would stop
using this made up term like peacekeeper. There's no I mean,
that's like saying rama Lama ding dong or give piece
of a chance. It doesn't mean anything. And there's no legal
terminology for peacekeeper unless you know this fible one whatever
says it does. They are either an armed citizen or

(31:01):
they were armed security. And if their armed security, they
dangell better been licensed by doppel by the State Department
of Professional Licensing, in which if they were contract security,
then they're going to have insurance and so on and
so forth. But we have, you know, essentially one one
liberal shooting another liberal who was maybe pointing a gun
at other liberals.

Speaker 11 (31:20):
I don't know, so.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I mean, oh, and then of course, I'm sure the
Republicans are going to get blamed for this so somehow,
but uh, you know, yeah, you can legally carry a gun.
We've been able to legally carry a gun downtown since
Utah was a state, I guess, you know, for that long.
And whether it be a handgun or a rifle. So

(31:44):
the peacekeeper, whatever he is, he legally had a gun.
The guy with the ar for all, from what we
can tell, he legally had a gun. Now the point
that he threatens with it, brandishes it, or points it somebody,
that's an aggravated assault, and yeah, you can, you can
stop him. But to the degree that that actually happened.

(32:07):
This peacekeeper I'm saying that term because you can't see
my fingers, Ye, peace keeper to the he's gonna have
to very convincingly articulate to the trier of facts that
he and any other reasonable person around him believed that
that ar guy was doing something to to either to

(32:29):
him or an innocent third party, you know, to the crowd.
That was so exigent so gonna happen imminent that he
needed to use that level of force to stop him.
So it would be like a forcible phony, like an
aggravated assault. And he may be able to do that.
But from what I have heard, this this this a

(32:51):
I call him the ar guy. Uh, he had carried
He's kind of like a leftist Kyle Rittenhouse from what
I hear. You know, he's just he just wanted to
be an helper, and he wasn't. He'd carried that same
aar to four or five other rallies and never had
a problem.

Speaker 11 (33:08):
He was just there just in case.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I guess we're speaking with Clark Composian, president of the
Utah Shooting Sports Council, a second right, Second Amendment rights advocate,
and a permanent presence on Capitol Hill when when all
things dealing with our Second Amendment rights are at issue
at the Capitol.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
So here's here's some here's some facts.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I the shot Lake City Police, they put out a
report a couple of days ago, June sixteenth. They said
they got the word peace keeper from their probable cause
statement when they interviewed the suspect, you're the person who'd
done the shooting, and that so they he had identified
himself as a peacekeeper. There were actually two peacekeepers that
were on on c And then there has been some

(33:50):
documents that are that are floating around online that looked
like instructions from the organizers of this and they refer
to UH to thevolunteers who are to help maintain the peace.
They call them peacekeepers as well. But my question to
you is what would be the liability of the organizers

(34:10):
of that protest if they did in fact look to
recruit and have volunteers. That would be whether they're armed
or not. They contemplated the possibility that they might be armed,
but that they were there to keep the peace. Do
they do they bear any liability in this?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh, just ask any plaintiff's council. They'll tell you absolutely.
They're not going to go over They're not going to
go after this peacekeeper in a civil suit because he's
probably doesn't have the amount of money to take care
of that that poor guys, the innocent person's family for
the rest of their lives. But do they have I

(34:49):
think absolutely they do. To the degree they knew that
this peacekeeper was armed and a parent from what it
sounds like they did, and and they were acting under
the authority of this of this group, then yeah, I'm
gonna say definitely. And I think they're likely with any
halfway decent plaintiffs council will get sued out of existence.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
So so here's here's where you actually called the shot.
You said the Democrats would somehow find a way to
blame Republicans for this. So the Utah Democrat House Democrats
put out a statement and this is I don't think Clark,
they're very good at this. I don't know how they
call out a left leftist no King's rally and condemned

(35:33):
the violence that occurred there and also in West Valley
City and they and they say this, these tragedies, and
they're talking about the shootings and the fatal shootings. These
tragedies are heartbreaking, but unfortunately not surprising. The conditions for
this kind of violence have been building for years, driven
by a toxic combination of hateful rhetoric and easy and

(35:54):
easy access to firearms. That rhetoric, often amplified by leaders
at the local, state, and federal level, has created an
environment that too often leads to violence. They as a caucus.
As a caucus, we remain committed to advancing policies that
reduced gun violence, promote accountability, and protect safety and dignity
of every Utah And it sounds like they're calling for

(36:14):
the end of Democrat liberal no Kings protests.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
To me, would ever be right?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well, well, you know what if you look at it
the other way around, and this ar guy was in
fact pointing his gun and going to engage parade goers
in a slaughter. Then we have this peacekeeper, also known
as an armed citizen, who was there. Hey, the police
were everywhere, but they weren't right there. And we find hey,
there's six hundred and seventy thousand police officers in the nation,

(36:42):
only a third of them are on duty at any
one time. There's twenty one and a half million permit
holders out there. So who is more likely to be
right there right then when it counts, It's going to
be an armed citizen. So now if they want to
say easy access to guns, hey, you definitely, we have
the access to guns here in Utah, probably the most

(37:03):
permissive state in the nation when it comes to permissiveness.
And guess what, we're third lowest and homicide in the
nation at two point two per hundred thousand. Compare that
to the states that you know, California, Washington State three
four times higher.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
So I guess my final question, why was the person
who was shot arrested but the people that shot and
hit him were not arrested. I mean, I one had
a gun, didn't fire out. He was arrested. He was charged.
The other two or not, they're under investigation, but they
haven't been arrested.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Because because they're they're relying on the peacekeepers and maybe
some of the other witnesses that said we had to shoot, Well,
that guy had to shoot the ar guy because he
was gonna do he was he was going to engage
that and so he caused the death by the ar
guy's actions. He caused the death of the innocent person

(37:59):
by by something he did. So, yeah, I know it's
a it's it's a it's an awkward prosecution. I think
it would be an awkward probable cause statement, and I
think they're going to have a real uphill battle showing that.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Okay, Clark, thank you for the lowdown. We appreciate your commentary,
your insight as always, thank you for joining us on
the show.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Caeculator.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Thanks Clark Oposion, Utah Shooting Sports Council kind of giving
us some of the details of laws behind that we
have here in Utah, behind things like this, why charges
would be you know, for some and not the others,
and investigations that are still ongoing. Okay, folks, when we
come back, we're going to go to the phones eight
eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero. I

(38:47):
want to hear from you. I mean, you got the
Democrats now condemning House Utah House Democrats that are condemning
this violence, and those that the purveyors of it. Sounds
like in this case it was the left did both.
I don't know if that's a self incrimination, But what
do you think about all this?

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Does any of this make sense to you?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Do you have any information or insight that you didn't
hear in this interview or that you've come across on
your own. Would love to hear from you, our smartest
listening audience in all the land. Eight eight eight five
seven zero eight zero one zero Yeah. E Rage just asked,
who's guilty here? Is it the guy that got shot
or the guy that the guy that shot the person
that was innocent bystander or the person who was shot

(39:28):
who had that ar fifteen?

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Who do you think?

Speaker 1 (39:32):
When we come back, we'll take your calls and we'll
keep discussing this here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine Cannerus. We just had a great interview with
Clark Opposion with Utah Shooting Sports Council trying to figure
out what in the world's going on at this No
King's rally, the shooting, the innocent bystander that died, the
person that was shot that had a gun, a lot

(39:53):
going on a lot, and some of the laws that
pertained all that. I think Clark was able to walk
us through. But I'm asking you our listeners, what do
you think and who do you think is guilty in
a situation like this? Number to call eight eight eight
five seven zero eight zero one zero. Also the callback
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(40:14):
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and you can give you can leave a thirty second
take if you'd like. All right, let's go to the
phones and go to Chris and Vineyard. Chris, thank you
for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show. What
do you think about this? The No Kings protest and

(40:37):
the shooting and everything else that's happened.

Speaker 12 (40:41):
I think the blame is all on the No Kings
organizers just start having an undercover basically place without telling anybody.
I think that makes them liable. They didn't tell anybody.
I mean, we're no work, we have con stiled carrying Utah,
but they didn't tell anybody that they're placing themselves. So
I think that's all on them. And then the second

(41:04):
thing I want to make is being Wingman wouldn't say
this whole Iran thing. So it's about like top gun too.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, there you go. You know that's funny, you know, Chris,
I like where you're going with that. Actually I thought
about that, and I thought, you know how hard it
was for them to go and bunk or bust the
nuclear weapons and Maverick, Well, they've taken out all their missiles.
They don't even have to go through all that low
flying to miss the missiles or those missiles they had
in the movie.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
This one's even easier.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
They could eat like a cheeseburger and just take the
big old bombers over because they've got total air dominance
and Iran. I like the analogy. Let's go now to
Rob and Sandy. Rob, Welcome to the Rodd and Greg show.
What say you about this? About this whole you know,
no King's rally protest and then.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
Shooting Okay, I'm a seventy my daughter's forty five. I
don't use the internet a lot. She does. She was
here on the day of that incident, and immediately she's
getting Internet updates whatever you want to call them about
the shooting and how the peacekeepers were vetted by the

(42:14):
police and how the guy charged. And I said to her,
I said, Vanessa, you know you don't have to listen
to that. It's not true or all the facts haven't
come out yet, and as this has progressed, that's true.

(42:34):
So I put a lot of blame on people on
the internet giving out just totally random false information day
after day after day.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Great comment, Robin, You're exactly right, and good for you
to already suspect be suspicious of what's coming out online
because those initial reports oftentimes are totally inaccurate. I'm holding
the statement by the Soul City Police in my hand
right here, and they are saying that there is no
record in the events permitting that they submitted to the

(43:07):
city and to the police, Salt Lake City Police indicating
the presence of organized or armed security. Organized I would
say organized are armed, whether you're volunteer or you're being paid.
If it's organized and then they're looking for them. It
should have been something that the Salt Lake City Police
should have been aware of. They were not, So I
think that's an important distinction that they did not know

(43:29):
anything about them. In fact, on June sixteenth, which is
just two days ago, they were they were trying to
clarify that the term peacekeeper was just in reference to
how the individuals identified themselves in the probable cause statement
as they were taking their statements. But I'm looking at
documentation now from the organizers where they they used the
term peacekeepers for these individuals that they hired to be

(43:53):
or well, I'm sorry, I don't know whether they had
I believe they were volunteer or they're calling them volunteers,
but they they refer to them as peacekeepers in this
in the documentation I'm looking at. And one of the
things that they tell in this it's kind of like
a like a tips on tips for de escalating with

(44:14):
guns processes, what you should do, stories from the field,
just trying to give them some training, I guess in
a manual, but they actually tell them that they should
actually think twice about even reaching out to the police.
This is in print. It says that may just alerting
the police may lead to a confrontation and escalate things,

(44:35):
and so they're telling them to think twice before even
alerting the police if they see someone with a gun.
So I think that there may be some cultability there,
but we'll see as that investigation progresses. But again, love
to have your take eight eight eight five seven zero
eight zero one zero about what you think about this
protest and how it went deadly. And by the way,

(44:56):
House Democrats, Utah House Democrats say it's the Republicans. I
don't know if you have an opinion about that either. Okay,
when we come back, we'll come back with your calls
and your take. You're listening to Utah's Talk radio one
oh five nine. Can terass Uh. There was a homicide,
there was someone shot. There's a lot of questions. The
person arrested isn't the person that was that shot someone.

(45:17):
It was the one that had a gun and it
was shot. Someone tragically died. The person that died at
the person who shot the person that died. The bystander
isn't the one that was arrested. So a lot of
a lot of confusion here, a lot and I think
Garkoposion was our guest president of the Utah Shooting Sports Council,
trying to explain some of this to us, but it's
still hard to track. So we're coming to use the callers,

(45:40):
our listeners want to hear your take. Let's go right
now to Mark and West Jordan. Mark, thank you for holding.
Can you do you have questions? Do you do you
have some you have some insight for us on this
because I find the whole thing to be bizarre.

Speaker 6 (45:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (45:55):
So the first thing I believe in a person's right
to peaceful protest. My heart goes out to the community
and the family that lost a loved one. My heart
also goes out to the peacekeeper who has to live
now with the fact that he killed an innocent bystander.
With that being said, I know that Clark had mentioned

(46:19):
that the peacekeeper is going to have to come up
with some pretty things that would would give him the
right to do what he did. With that, my question
is you see a guy with an ar running into
a big crowd like that, what is your response going

(46:42):
to be you're carrying at the moment, whether you're a
peacekeeper or you're just a citizen. That's carrying. What do
you do in that moment. I'm interested to find out
if that guy was locked and loaded, he could have
had a thirty round clip in his ar. He could
have done a lot of damage. So that would that
would be my question.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
It's a great question, and I'll tell you to add
some context to it. Here's what's being reported. Again, these
are the reports this week, and as these investigations go,
we might find that a completely story, different story emerges,
But right now the way that it's being reported in
the paper, and I think this is a who is this?

Speaker 4 (47:21):
This is.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
A KSL this' is a KSL report. Here two men
who are air quotes. They're peacekeepers, okay, but I think
the organizers gave them this, these volunteers, this title of peacekeepers,
so I don't think it's one that's just contrived. These
peacekeepers are two men and they spotted a turo gamboa
and he seemed to be acting suspicious, and he separated

(47:44):
himself from the crowd as they were kind of watching things,
and then moved behind a wall in a secluded area.
They found that to be out of the norm of
what was going on in the protest, so they kept
their eye on them. The peacekeeper found it to be suspicious.
And then it says that one of the peacekeepers observed

(48:05):
Arturo remove an AR fifteen rifle from his backpack that
he was carrying, and then he observed him begin to
manipulate the rifle. Now this is to your question, was
it locked and loaded? He was observed to manipulating the rifle,
and they called out to him to tell him to
drop it, drop the gun. He lifted. According again according
to even witnesses, he lifted the rifle and began to

(48:28):
run towards the large crowd. At that point, that's when
one of the peacekeepers fired three rounds, hitting Gamboa Arturo Gamboa,
but also horribly killing Arthur Felosa Aha Lou thirty nine
years old, who was killed as a bystander. So to
your question, I don't know if it's locked and low,

(48:49):
but he was manipulating the weapon and was, as according
to witnesses, running towards the crowd.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Again, I.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Think that I think you're right, Mark, I think that
our hearts go out to people have to live with
the fact they killed some an innocent person, and I
hope those witness I mean, if the witnesses accounts hold true.
You might have seen an emergency situation where something needed
to be done, whether it was a peacekeeper or even
someone that's legally carrying Casio carry Open carries is legal

(49:19):
in the Utah, so it could have It could have
been a you know, just a member of the public
that wanted to stop what they thought was going to
be violence. We have a talkback call. Let's hear from
our talkback number. Thanks for using it. I love that
people are using the app and using the talk back.
Let's have a listen up. I didn't do it right.
Let me say, Okay, let's right.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Now, Greg.

Speaker 8 (49:41):
I hope we're having a good Wednesday. I don't really
have all the information here, but it sounds like the
guy who fired the shot is the one that should
be responsible. When you are taking out a gun like
that and you are firing, you need to be aware
of everything and be pretty dangxure of the situation. So
I think he needs to be really looked at, and

(50:03):
if he has a good defense, then the other guy
should be charged. But if he doesn't, then the guy
who fired the bullet is responsible.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
So that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I like that talkback comment, because here's here's we saw
Abby Bonnell's news report put that that tragic death of
that young that boy by a stepfather yesterday in Riverton.
That the that the stepfather has since been charged with manslaughter.
And what that says to me is not that he
that there was any there's no murder in the first degree,

(50:31):
second degree, anything like that, but that there was a
recklessness or a behavior that that that caused a fatality,
and that the behavior was a criminal and its manslaughter.
That the adult should have known better than what they did.
That's the charge. At least you can compare that with
what our coller just the talkback observation was is that

(50:53):
if you're firing three rounds one hits or turo gamboa,
but another fatally kills a bystander, did you use where
it was your response appropriate? Was it responsible? So there's
that accountability that's going to have to come. And again,
I think these investigations are going to bear out the

(51:13):
truth one way or the other of what's happening. I
will say again, I'm looking at the report from the police.
They had no idea that this type of organized security
was present in any way and in the instruction manuals
that these people gave, this organization gave to those that
were providing this security or peacekeepers. They actually tell them

(51:35):
they may not want even if they see someone with
a gun, they may not want to alert the police
because that may, in their minds, escalate things worse. And
so there was some guidance given to not coordinate or
talk speak with the police. Is that problematic? Is does
that have any liability to it? So those are just
that questions that I think still linger. And I also

(51:56):
have to marvel at the House Democrats, State House democrats
who want to condemn all blame all the Republicans for
all this. There's not a Demo, There's not a Republican
to be found in any of this story. I don't
know how in the world it's the Republican's fault, but
House Democrats here in Utah think that it's the Republicans
that caused it all. Anyway, more of your comments if
you'd like to comment on this issue. Eight eight eight

(52:16):
five seven zero eight zero one zero is the number.
The talk back line is always available to you here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine Canteras. Let's
roll right along we've got callers waiting. Let's go to Scott.
We're talking about the shooting at the No Kings protests
rally that happened in Salt Lake City on the weekend. Scott,
thank you for holding and what do you think about

(52:38):
all this?

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Well?

Speaker 11 (52:42):
I understand that peace Keeper was military DAA and so
he would have had kind of an alert to that
type of situation in the past. And the other thing
is when you're shooting at something that is moving, and
he hunter knows this. When the target moves, your shot

(53:05):
may hit let's behind it or around it. So that
is kind of a challenge to make sure that you
want to hit what you're hitting. But the other thing
is is being told to not contact the police that
put them in jeopardy as well. And that was unfortunate

(53:29):
that someone's life was lost in it, but that should
fall on the people that organized this and weren't willing
to have open communication on everything.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I tend to agree, you know, that's the part that
was weighing on my mind, Scott, even as you were
describing that. I have that sympathy for someone that even
a train mill veteran had been in the military. But
the people around them, the fact that they were instructed
to not necessarily speak to the police or coordinate with them,
and the fact that the police is the Salt Lake

(54:01):
City Police statement has been that they had no knowledge
of any organized security volunteer hired anything like that. It
was never part of their permitting process, of their applications
of their and they did coordinate with them, They worked
with the Slate. PD did work with the organizers of
this rally for the purpose of making sure that violence

(54:23):
didn't break out. And the presence of these so called
peacekeepers were not discussed with them in terms of what
that presence meant or they existed a and then b
if they would be armed themselves. And I think that's
I mean, hindsight's twenty twenty, but I do. I think
there's there's there's going to be when we find out
from this investigation, there's going to be culpability and to

(54:46):
the House Democrats, state House Democrats, a total you know,
to their maybe their disappointment. It will not conclude that
it was the Republican's fault in Utah that this violence
broke out, or that somebody was needlessly killed during this protest.
There's going to be there will be others who will
be held accountable for that.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
So and and then.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
He got sim Gill. I mean, he's their prosecutunty or
county prosecutor. What does what does he do in all this?
He seems to be a bit political. I say that
with a joke because I when I say a bit.
But but anyway, it's a it's a big mess, and
we'll have to see how it goes from here. But again,
I I I think we even there was a caller
that said that there's a video out there, uh on

(55:31):
on X that that shows that he didn't raise his
gun until fired upon. Okay, so there's there's that as
well that you know, there's even a question as to
when that gun was raised. Uh, and uh when that happened.
So again, you it's I think we're still early.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
I'm learning.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
When I saw the tragedy happen in Minnesota, Uh, some
of the reports that were coming out were just fundamentally false.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
They weren't true.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
And uh and then if you drew concl illusions from
the first reports coming out about what happened in Minnesota
with the former Speaker of the House, she was a
speaker emeriti because they were power sharing with the Republicans
in the state House in Minnesota. You know, they were
saying that both herself and her husband, but also the
state senator and his spouse had been shot and had

(56:20):
both voted for the budget that included not funding adult
illegal immigrants healthcare. And so the assumption was or the
actually the narrative was that it was a radical leftist
who was angry at their votes. Then it came out
later that day that the senator that was shot and
his wife had not voted for that budget. So the

(56:41):
story's move, they change, and we got to, you know,
hold on till we see really what happened or hear
what the investigation has to say.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
I think that's going to be the key here. And
that's all right.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I was trying to look at the video while I
was talking. I was trying to do two things. Look,
when we come back, we got more to discuss. I
want to get into some of the illegal immigration stuff
that's happening. Too interesting outcome, stay tuned. Thanks to our
listeners we were sent over the commercial break. I now
have looked at the video. I had some video I
was trying to look at at the right before we

(57:17):
went to break wasn't able to see it.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
I have seen it since.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I'm going to tell you what the news account that
I read you from KSL and the people that are
saying that he had raised his AR fifteen up and
towards the crowd as he ran towards it and then fires,
shots were fired. It is not what I just saw.
I saw him with the gun out. It was pointing

(57:41):
towards the ground. It wasn't hunter wasn't all the way down,
but it was.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
It was.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
It was pointed down towards the ground. And then you
can see the gentleman who has his who's shooting him.
He's got he's got a vest on, and he fires,
and it's after he fire shoots at him that he
raises the gun in in a sprint. He just starts
to run and I would imagine it kind of blacks
out from there. I would imagine when he began to run,

(58:06):
that's where the innocent bystander was then accidentally shot. But
I don't know what the legal distinction is between that
gun being pointed towards the ground versus towards the crowd.
It was out, But the video I just saw is
that he was fired upon first, and then as he
was running that kind of came up because he was
running away from the shots and had been hit.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
He got hit in the stomach apparently.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
So anyway, that's a that's something that we have collectively
learned together here on the show. Interesting issues that we
were still talking. There's so much going on domestically as
well as internationally. We've got we've got the Iran, We've
got Israel, but we've also got, you know, the illegal
immigration issue. I mean, you had the comptroller from New
York City who was arrested for assaulting an officer, a

(58:54):
law enforcement officer, for impeding a federal officer for being
able to do their duty. You have the governor of
New York. She's upset that how dare you? How dare
you do that? He's a mayor, he's a candidate for
mayor and I'm sure the Democrats will make a hero
out of him for for being arrested. But it is
just blowing my mind as I'm watching all of this,
that that you can be a United States Senator and

(59:17):
just charge at a at a at a press conference
with the Secretary of Homeland Defense, of Homeland Security, and
you're charging in and yelling and trying to demand answers
when A when a press conference is going on before
there's no Q and A that he's just charging in
that people are supposed to understand that he's a US
senator acting in this erratic way. They're mad that, you know,

(59:39):
Democrats and leftists are mad that he was he was arrested.
But I'm telling you that the behavior you and I
everyone listening to this, if you acted that way at
a press conference, uh, you would be you would be restrained.
And if it's a if it's a secretary, if it's
a cabinet member or someone you could you very well
could be arrested. How about the How about the judges.

(01:00:02):
There's now multiple judges that are escorting these illegal immigrants,
criminals that are actually in the court out of private
doors and exits egress that they use, ingress egress that
they use as judges, into the buildings and escorting them
out trying to evade federal law enforcement. Then you have
members of Congress that are actually touching and impeding the

(01:00:24):
federal law enforcement as well. So you've got US senator,
You've got New York City comptroller candidate for mayor, you've
got judges, you've got members of Congress, all of them
left of center, all of them believe that they are
truly above the law, Like how dare you? I mean,
they are acting in ways they know for fact as
adults that we don't as a society, a civilized society,

(01:00:48):
allow people to act. We don't do it. These are
laws that apply, but they don't think they apply to them.
And I think they think they're martyrs over it all.
But on that topic, some of these Democrats that they
don't know that some of what they're supposed to do
they're not supposed to tell. They're not supposed to say
it out loud. Why is the left doubling down on

(01:01:09):
all this? We asked one of our guests this week,
is this is this a coordinate effort? Are they just
trying to change the math in elections? If you let
ten million or however many million people in here, is
it possible that for since for reasons of the census,
like drawing a district, you know, and being able to
draw you might be an ill, might be an illegal immigrant,
but they count as population, and that informs how congressional

(01:01:31):
districts are drawn and how many seats of respective state
will get uh, they get that political advantage. What if
they're able to vote. People have said to me, oh,
you can't say that they want to vote that, would
you know? Your that's a replacement theory. That's that's a
racist argument. I am not saying I don't care what color, race, creed.
We're talking about people coming in here illegally. I'm saying

(01:01:51):
that math, just math of elections, is there is the debt.
Is the left giving up on the seventy seven million
Americans voted for Donald Trump? Are they giving up on
the common sense, everyday Americans and just trying to change
the math on who votes in these swing states doesn't
seem out of the realm of possibility to me. Well,
it turns out that there's a member of Congress who

(01:02:14):
thinks this might be pretty logical too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Let's have a.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Listen and to my Republican colleagues who say I don't
want any undocumented people in this country, I actually agree
with you.

Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
So let's document every single one.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Of them the citizenship.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Oh so for all the undocumented immigrants this Democrat represented,
Maxwell Frost, he agrees, and he says, let's document every
single one of them with a speedy path to citizenship.
And there you go. There it is the quiet part
set out loud. You know, I we don't let folks.

(01:02:51):
Don't let people sit when you talk about what's happening
and what the Biden administration allowed to happen with open
borders and how every state has now become a border state.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
And with the erratic behavior you're seeing of US members
of you know, US senators and judges and you know,
comptrollers of New York City, one of the largest cities
in America. Uh and members of Congress. The this is,
this is coordinated. They are doing everything in their power
to slow President Trump down so that he is not

(01:03:21):
able to deport the people that came here illegally. Because
what that member of Congress just said.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
This this Representative Maxwell Frost, where he wants every one
of these undocumented. He calls them undocumented immigrants. They're illegal immigrants.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I someone said, you're not a lot. You shouldn't say
illegal immigrant. That's rude. I was saying illegal alien. I
was calling them illegal aliens. And I thought saying immigrant
was all wash, you know, renaissance greg I thought I
was being nice by saying illegal immigrants. Apparently you're not
supposed to say the illegal part either illegal alien. This congressman,

(01:03:56):
he's just saying, let's document them all and let's give
him a BD path to citizenship, all of them, unvetted,
all of them. Just give them and he gets do
you hear the cheers? This is the plan.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
This is the plan.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
This is this is and what you'll find is, in
addition to judges breaking the law, members of Congress breaking
the law, senators breaking the law, you know New York
City comptroll or breaking the law to try and preserve
or to help these people evade deportation and removal. They're
just buying time. They're just trying to slow this down.

(01:04:32):
Barack Obama. President Obama was able to remove deport three
million illegal aliens out of the country when he was
president for eight years. A lot of those came from
the border states and counties where the turnarounds can be
a lot faster the or the removals can be faster.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Three million.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I will tell you, I hate to say it, but
I don't think I count the days in President Trump's administration.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
I don't think there's enough.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Days in his term to be a to match three million,
So if ten million came through or more during those
four years, most will be able to stay. After President
Trump's administration's best efforts, but those best efforts are being stalled.
Those best efforts are being delayed, and the people doing
it full well know why they're doing that. And if

(01:05:17):
they can create more riots, if they can create more unrest,
it's not the right that's causing all this violence. It's
them because they are still playing the one card that
they've had for so long that says, if they can
evoke fear, if you're afraid, if the chaos and the
crime makes you uncomfortable, what they're hoping is that that

(01:05:37):
your human instincts will kick in and you'll say, whatever
it is that's causing it, if it's that you're deporting people,
stop deporting them so that the chaos and the crime stops.
The left knows that people want normalcy, and if they
can get you to act out of fear, that's what
they're going to do. What they are just unprepared for

(01:05:57):
and they don't know how to deal with, is a
president who acts out of courage and his and his
courage is as contagious or more contagious than the fear
that they've been pushing and pedaling for for decades. But
it is actually hit a brick wall. I think with
this President just saw a Pole Rasmusen poll today that
says that his approval rating is higher right now than

(01:06:19):
it's ever been. I think there's a good reason for that. Anyway,
when we come back, we'll have more to discuss. You're
listening to Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine Canorus
flying Solo.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Today.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
We'll get Rod back, but again, prediction is that very
white itis will hit Rod when he comes back. I'm
he thinks he'll be back Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I'd love him to be back. I hope he's back,
but I don't know. He seems to He seems to
get ill when he's amongst people, and you know he
needs he needs a better immune system, he needs more
vitamin D or something. But anyway, he's having a good time.
By the way, it's his birthday today. I don't know
if I should out him for that, but it's his
birthday and I've already wished him a happy birthday. So hey,

(01:07:00):
by the way, actually I had this for the beginning
of the show. But here we are at six twenty
two towards the final and we're in the final hour.
Powell this our fed chair. He is just too late,
pal as he's called. He didn't lower rates. You got

(01:07:21):
inflation at a four year low. Oil the price of
oil is down fifteen percent, and Powell is still keeping
our interest rates near a twenty year high. Now he did.
Now he's not afraid to cut rates because he did
it right before the election. Uh, when Kamala Harris was
on the ballot, and he cut them right around that time,

(01:07:42):
which was which was a beautiful thing. Appreciate it, but
not now. And many people are saying that we are
seeing so much by way of I mean we talk
I mentioned this yesterday, but the two percent growth in
wages when you see the the not the self deportation
of a million people, when you see the border as
secure and there's not the entry coming in the labor

(01:08:06):
for non supervisory hourly wages, it's gone up I think,
just two percent. That might not sound like a lot,
but folks, it hasn't gone up two percent in sixty years.
The last time we saw a plus in terms of
non supervisory maybe everyday worker wages going up was President
Trump's first term. Between sixteen and twenty, you saw those

(01:08:28):
rates go up, and now you're seeing them go up
five months into his second term.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
But not friar.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
You didn't see that happen and again and see that
happened since I think Nixon, Okay, that that's happened. So
you've got an economy that's responding. The tariff derangement syndrome
that everybody cried about. There's no sign of it. These
trade deals are coming in and they're coming in fair.
You're seeing on shoring here in the United States. You're
seeing us have being able to export into other countries

(01:08:54):
that we've not been able to do before. The barriers
that the rest of the world put for our our
our products are manufacturing all that we do, those have
been lowered, and you're seeing a healthier economy for it.
Why the interest rates are not being lowered. That would
be such a relief for so many of us. Forget
I mean the debt would be it would help relieve

(01:09:15):
some of the climbing you know, federal debt that we
suffer under. But think about what he would do for
all of us in terms of, you know, people that
buy homes and people that buy cars and all the
different things that you do that the interest rates coming
down would would help mightily. Don't understand. Well, I think
I do understand why he's not doing it, but it's
a it's a pretty bad excuse if he's just being political.

(01:09:37):
He just can't stand President Trump, and so he's just
not gonna he's not gonna play ball. He's just gonna
leave it, leave it high. You know, he was President Trump.
He wanted to he's been wanting to put when it
is during his first term. He wanted to put flags
up in the White House. He wanted to do a
project cost one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:09:57):
He got done.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
It got it done a head of schedule and under budget.
And he was out there in the lawn of the
White House today and he answered a couple questions and
and in that they asked him about the interest rates
not being lowered, and he said, I've done everything I
know how to do. I've been tough, I've complained, I've
been nice. I've tried to be nice to him, and
he just there's just nothing. He's just not going to

(01:10:18):
do it. Too late, Pals, He's just not going to
he's not going to lower interest rates just ever. And
there will be his term ends during Trump's time in office,
so there will be a new FED chair that will
be appointed by the president. But we might see this
this character hang hold strong and never touch rates and
let them stay high for as long as he's a

(01:10:40):
FED chair, which would be a tragedy but could be
the case. So there's a real quick clip that I
want to play. He was asked. They asked him today
at the White House out in the lawn when they
were raising the flags on the new flagpoles that he
wanted to put in the at the White House. And
this is something that he mentioned to the media. He's

(01:11:02):
been wanting to do since his first term. And I
think that the back and forth year is interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Have a listen.

Speaker 12 (01:11:09):
I've had it for a long time.

Speaker 6 (01:11:12):
The the first time I had it.

Speaker 10 (01:11:15):
But you know, you guys were after they said.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
I said I had a focus.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
I was I was the hunted and now I'm the hunter.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
It's a big difference.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Did you hear that his first term he's under siege,
He's the hunted, He felt like, And think about it,
this poor guy, especially when you see the contrast where
he he picked, you know, an FBI director, Christopher Ray.
What a disaster. That guy, it's proving, was trying to
cover up some evidence of of of Chinese driver's licenses

(01:11:45):
that were being shipped into the country intercepted by our
customs agents that they he was asked to hide that
so that the American people wouldn't know about it. Christopher
Ray was a disaster. You go all the way down
the list. He had a cabinet that worked against him,
He had a White House that worked against him, had
a chiefest staff that worked against him, and all the

(01:12:06):
while he has a special prosecutor a Mueller that's trying
to say he's colluding with Russia and putin. The man
was under siege every day and still managed to do
quite a bit for this country. But right getting those
flags done it in the White House was the last
thing on that list. Because he felt hunted. Now he says, hey,
now I'm on the offense. Now I have my team,
my cabinet, my staff, and I'm the hunter. And she

(01:12:30):
sure is. I think that he is now being able
to pursue all the you know, whether it's the domestic
policy or even the foreign policy that he's always spoken
about this guy. If he's one thing, he's consistent. He
has not changed his story. He's had a vision of
what public policy looks like, good domestic, good foreign policy
for a long long time, and you're seeing him finally

(01:12:51):
being able to implement it. And what do you see?
A better economy, You see a stronger nation, and you
see approval rings that are high because the American people
see it, especially in contrast to a Democrat rudderless party
without a national leader or anything to bring to the table.
Things I think will continue to look a lot better. Okay,
we're going to go to a break. When we come back,
we're going to speak with Jeffrey Anderson. He's the president

(01:13:13):
of American Main Street Initiative, and we're going to talk
about our National Park Service and Juneteenth, which comes up
tomorrow when we come back here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine Canters by the Way show. Note,
we're going to have an interview right now. We're going
to talk about the National Park Service and talking about

(01:13:34):
Juneteenth and calling it a national Independence Day. We're going
to get into that, but I need to let you know,
and I'd forgotten this till Eray mentioned it, we aren't
going to be on the air tomorrow. iHeartMedia. I recognize
as June nineteenth is a June teenth, and so that's
a holiday, and we will not be hosting the program tomorrow.
But so that's actually a very good segue into this

(01:13:57):
next interview. Joining us on the show. He is a
president of American Main Street Initiative. He's written an incredible
article park Service wrongly celebrates June teenth, joining us on
a program. Thank you for joining us, Jeffrey. Look, the
National Park Services celebrating juneteenth as a National Independence Day,

(01:14:18):
What does that even mean?

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Well, it's unfortunately the official name of the holiday that
was added in the wake of the George Floyd riots,
with no debate in the Senate to speak of, and
just sort of rashly added to the calendar. And the
name of the holiday is actually juneteenth, National Independence Day,
coming just two weeks before our real independence Day. And

(01:14:42):
I think it's pretty clear that this was by design
from the leftist to try to sap some of the
moral and historical credibility from the fourth of July. And
so the Park Service has been celebrating Juneteenth as National
Independence Day as if it's totally oblivious to the fact
that we have a real Independence Day following a fortnight later.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
So you're exactly right. So if the federal government or
a national Park service calls it juneteenth National Independence Day,
then fifteen days later we have Independence Day, no national
and they're just Independence Day. Well, then which is it?
Which is the independence day? It gets a little confusing.
In your article, you give some important I think historical

(01:15:26):
perspective here where June teens shouldn't even be the holiday.
It should probably happen in what February or December?

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
December sixth, right, yeah, I think well December sixth is
when we ratified the thirteenth Amendment end the slavery in
the United States, and so yes, that's a day very worth,
very much worth celebrating. June teenth is simply a day
when soldiers told Texans that and they're slaves. That the
slaves have been freed by the Emancipation Proclamation a couple

(01:15:56):
of years earlier, but at that time there were still slaves.
After Juneteenth, there are still slaves in Kentucky and Delaware,
So this did not mark the end of slavery in
the United States. Contrary to what most of the mainstream
media outlets claim over and over again, it's a rather
insignificant event really in the grand scheme of things. It's

(01:16:17):
probably a perfectly fine holiday for Texas, but it doesn't
make a lot of sense as a holiday for the
United States, given that there still was slavery after that.
And the worst part of it is that it's conflicting
with the fourth of July. And again, Greg, that is
very much by design. Again, this was put forward in
the wake of the George Floyd riots. This was an
attempt to say, hey, America is not really about seventeen

(01:16:40):
seventy six. It's not really about the Declaration of Independence.
It's about sixteen nineteen. It's about finally getting rid of slavery.
Everything else doesn't really matter. And it's just amazing to
me that this has become a holiday with this name.
I mean, juneteenth National Independence Day is such an insulting name.
Anybody who cares about the fourth of July genuine Independence Day.

(01:17:01):
I don't think very many Americans realize that's the actual name,
and maybe even most Senators don't since they didn't bother
to debate it before they passed it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
You know, You're so right, and I think the timing
is meant to undermine our independence day, especially when you
use National Independence Day in the June teenth title, which
I didn't know. What worries me is these aren't just
a rogue national park here and there. It's the National Parks.
But I guess what is it? Our our off us
Office of Personnel, Office of Personal Management, Personnel Management has

(01:17:33):
made this the official name of the holiday. So that
means that that this National Independence Day, juneteenth National Independence Day,
it could find that title could find its way into
other federal buildings endeavors.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Oh yeah, just right down the street from me, there's
a sign on the post office saying that it'll be
closed tomorrow for juneteenth National Independence Day. And it wasn't.
Actually the Office of Personnel Management just reflects what the
name is in law. It's the House and Senate with
Joe Biden's signature. They gave it that name, and yeah,
it's I mean, America doesn't have two legitimate independence days.

(01:18:09):
It doesn't need more than one Independence day, it doesn't
have it. I think it's interesting to look back at
what Abraham Lincoln had to say, the man who actually
issued the Emancipation Proclamation, which is what slaves and slave
holders were told on Juneteenth, had been in effect for
a couple of years. Lincoln made it very clear that
he thought the Declaration of Independence applied to all Americans,

(01:18:31):
whether they were related by blood to the founders or not.
He encouraged everyone to view it that way. Nobody thought
more highly of the Declaration or tied his arguments back
to that more than Lincoln did after the founding era.
And yet now you have this strange occurrence of a
proclamation by Lincoln being given kind of elevated status over
the Declaration of Independence itself.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
So let me ask you, I think all of America
is so tired, fatigued, or worse over identity politics. It's
done nothing to unify this nation. It's done nothing to
bring us together, certainly not under one flag if you're
going to have different names and different flags and all
these other in different holidays for Independence Day. So where
is the Trump administration in all this? I would think

(01:19:14):
this would be one of the things that they would
quickly address in an attempt to bring the nation together.
It looks like they've done it on some other topics.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Yeah, well, they can only do so much because I
would have to go back through.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Constant can't we fix it all by five months?

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Congress would have to decide we're going to change from well,
like say, to do what I propose and scrap Juneteenth
and instead substitute a holiday on December sixth to celebrate
the very worthy occasion, the crucially important occasion of ending
slavery in this country once and for all through our
own constitutional process and the ratification of the thirteenth Amendment.

(01:19:52):
And that's very much a day that deserves a holiday,
and it wouldn't be competing with the fourth of July
or anything like that, but it would have to come
from the Senate in the House. And what really ought
to happen is that one of these senators who is
asleep at the switch four years ago, should step forward
and start making the argument, or preferably more like scores

(01:20:12):
of senators making this argument that hey, look, we didn't
realize that this is the way this holiday is going
to be portrayed by our federal institutions, as if as
if we have two Independence days right back to back.
I mean, it's crazy. Sometimes Congress needs to just say, look,
we made a mistake. It was well meaning, but clearly

(01:20:33):
no one in America, or almost no nobody except the
extreme leftist really wants to try to take away from
the fourth of July from our actual independence day. So
let's right this wrong, and let's celebrate the end of
slavery in a way that makes sense by celebrating the
passage of the thirteenth Amendment.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
December sixth, thirteenth Amendment reads neither slavery nor involuntary servitude
shall exist within the United States or any place subject
to their jurisdiction. Sounds like a pretty monumental moment to
the passage of the thirteenth Amendment or the ratification of
the thirteenth Amendment.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
What have you? Have you floated this by have you heard?
What's just quickly? I guess?

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Last question, is there any momentum or interest in doing
exactly what you say, because I do think that that
that December sixth, thirteenth Amendment being ratified is the moment
we should be staring at.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Yeah, I don't know that there's any momentum really, I mean,
it's I guess it's uh. Hopefully hopefully this article will
help start some of that momentum. It's funny. I got
somebody sent me an article on substack by somebody else
who also proposed that we changed the holiday to December sixth.
So at least there's a few of us out there
who are saying, hey, let's let's recognize, as you said,

(01:21:43):
the monumental achievement of ending slavery in this country, but
let's recognize it when it actually happened, rather than at
some other time. In a way, it's conflicting with our
own beloved fourth of July.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Jeffrey Anderson, thank you for this discussion. Thank you for
bringing this to our attention. I had no idea. I
had no idea that they are thrown National Independence Day
into the mix with the name of the holiday Juneteenth.
Don't worry, folks, if you're wondering. While we won't be
on the air tomorrow, the state of Utah celebrates celebrated
this last Monday. They made it a three day holiday,

(01:22:15):
so they're not even getting it on the same day either.
So this day seems to be in flux or eligible
for some change. I say so. Anyway, final segment coming
up in this third hour here on The Rod and
Gregg Show. When we come back, you're listening to Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine Canters, one of our
smart listeners.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
You know what I say, and I mean this.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Actually, I wish Jeopardy would have a contest with every
radio audience, every show, radio shows listening audience, and we
the Roden greg Show could put you on Jeopardy because
you would win hands down. I don't care what the
show is, I don't care what other shows are on
during today, but if you're listening to this show, you
are one of the most informed people and populations I

(01:22:56):
think that that are running around here. So without fail,
when we bring up an issue, there is more information,
more perspective, better understanding because you participate in the show,
which I appreciate. This caller, this listener has pointed out
that the federal holiday that we just talked about, juneteenth,
National Independence Day, is celebrated on is tomorrow, June nineteenth.

(01:23:18):
It's the day that I heart radio, I heart media
celebrates it. The State of Utah, however, celebrates it on
the Monday. I mentioned that before the break, but this
is what I didn't know. The State of Utah doesn't
call it June teenth. State of Utah doesn't call it
the National Independence Day. The State of Utah calls it
Freedom Day, just Freedom Day. Now, the caller the listeners

(01:23:41):
asking how many how many holidays do we have where
there's a federal holiday that's recognized on one day, the
state of Utah recognizes it on a different day, and
we call it completely different things.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
That's where we are. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
I yeah, how's it a national Independence Day if nationally
states are celebrating it on different days, calling it different things.
I don't know, but these are good observations to be made.
I think it shows that, boy, if you could actually
celebrate the ratification of the thirteenth Amendment on December sixth,
that would be the day to celebrate and to remember

(01:24:19):
it and actually have a real day to point to.
But anyway, that's a again, that's another issue that I
think can come right by us, go right over our head.
And I think that the whole reason is, as Jeffrey
said from American Main Street Initiative, that it's done in
proximity to Independence Day to create a blur, to create

(01:24:43):
two different independence days for different Americans. And I think
that's meant to divide us, not to unite us. And
so it's done with the purpose and you know there's that.
So look, final final thoughts as we come in to
the end of this show.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
So Jade Vance, he's vice president of the United States.
I don't know if you know this, but he tried
to get on Blue Sky. He opened up an account
on that. It's like it's the equivalent I guess. I
don't know what the kids are watching now, but I
guess it's the Democrat or liberal or leftist or communist
equivalent of X. Jd Vance, our vice president, wanted to
have an account so he could kind of update people

(01:25:27):
and share what he's sharing on X. He opens the
account and within minutes of it of him opening it,
he is censored and they close his account down. It
looks like they might have his attention was brought to that.
I think they might have succumbed and opened it back up,
but he was banned for as long as they could
get away with it off of Blue Sky, which should

(01:25:49):
tell you. And I've heard that a lot of people
are getting off of Blue Sky. I think this came
from Mark Cuban, who's I think in a vestor of
Blue Sky. But he said that the problem with Blue
Sky and why there's not so many participants is because
it's all one side. There's it's just it's all the
same stuff and people don't want to They actually, this
whole freedom of speech thing is kind of a thing.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
People like it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
So hats off to the Florida Panthers. I had to
tease Roddy was cheering for those Canadians Edmonton Oilers and
I and and Florida Panthers pulled it off in Game
six last night. Thirty two years, the Lord Stanley Cup
has stayed in the United States with its champion and
has not gone north of the border like Rod.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Wanted it to do. He wanted it to go to Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
You know you just because he's born and lived in
Upper State, New York, that doesn't make it Canadian. Rod,
I don't understand. See how I can talk to him
when he's not here. It's easy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
I can just have arguments with myself and he can't
even retort. It's it's it's just beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
There's so I just again, hats off to them. It
was a great series, great great great hockey. I'm waiting
for my Penguins to come back one day. It'll be
good finally, folks, again, we'll be We won't be here tomorrow,
but when we get on on Friday, well there'll be.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
You know as well as I do.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
How much will have changed, how much is going to
happen between now and then, So just stick with us.
Thank you for listening, Thank you for being part of
the greatest listening audience in all of Utah. You're the
biggest audience too. By the way, this segment, I don't
know if you know. Four to seven, You guys are
making us number one.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
We love it. So please keep listening until we meet again.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Keep your hands out, your chin down, your eyes forward,
answer the bell, and I will see you again at
four o'clock on Friday on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine knrs.

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