June 16, 2025 • 15 mins
Rob and Ben are joined by former Boston Red Sox pitcher and now MLB analyst for NESN, Jonathan Papelbon, as they breakdown the blockbuster trade yesterday that sent DH/3B Rafael Devers to the San Fransisco Giants in return for starting pitchers Jordan Hicks and Kyle Harrison!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One of our favorite guests, Jonathan Pop Papa Bond. He
is Red Sox great. He also is on the news
show on Nesson that you can catch while you're watching
the Red Sox games. It's called Unobstructed Views. They do
a great job. I'm actually telling you what's going on,
uh during the game and having some great opinions and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
John joins us now on the hotline, Pappy, how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
What's going on? Guys? Sounds like y'all are joining your
time playing a little golf.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Huh, we ain't playing, but we're watching these guys right now.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
They're on the practice screen.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We do this every year from travelers and uh, it's
you know what it is. It's you know in spring
training when you and I would love when like the
the glove companies and the back companies would come so
right now they got all of like paying and shricks
in and all the other companies here letting these guys
try out all the new toys for the week.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, you need anything, what do you want? You need
a putter? You need a traver?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Tell you what I need? I need a potter that
puts it in the hole for me, is something that
can get me to shoot in the eighties because I suck.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
So what did you think of JJ spawn and that
long putt? Man?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm sure you and I both we have a lot
of those long putts we try to make for double bogie.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
That's incredible. Man. Actually, I did watch it, and you know,
a lot of people have told me, Dibbs, I don't
know about you that there's so many similarities between golf
and baseball. And I picked up golf after I got
numb retired, and there really is, you know, And I
just I just started playing. But I sucked, but I
love it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So you know, you heard about Raphael Dever's getting traded
at about the same time as I did. You were
actually traveling when you and I were speaking by a text.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Just your thoughts on what led up.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
To the trade though, you know, as a former player,
I don't want you to get yourself in trouble because
you work for Nessen in the Red Sox. But you
know what you saw from spring training on things couldn't
have been comfortable for him and his teammates.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Now did It's well, look, I think this decision basically
bowled down to one person and one person only, and
that being John Henry. This decision was made, in my opinion,
solely by John Henry. John Henry actually flew in to
(02:25):
Boston to try to convince Devers to pick up a
glove move to first do whatever it took to help
out the team, and his ego gotten away. I believe
his ego gotten away, and then you start to have dissension.
(02:50):
And when you have discension between a player and the
front office, once you have that, in my opinion, it
never goes well. And I think that with the way
Devers was acting, I mean, he showed up in spring training,
he didn't take any at Mass, he showed up in
(03:12):
out of shape in my opinion, and started season off
very poorly, but has turned it around now. But like
I was saying, this decision was based solely upon what
John Henry wanted. And I believe in my heart of
hearts that John Henry wants a ball club that is
(03:36):
tight and closed. The Red Sox buff Houses has always
been that way. And you know as well as I do, Rob,
you can't have one outside the group and win a
championship or try to go win a Pennon, If you
have that one guy, it's not gonna work, and he's,
in my opinion, it's becoming a cancer, and you can't
(03:59):
win that way.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Tinya took the words out of my mouth on the question.
I actually wrote down clubhouse cancer question mark just to you.
And you even said that how much does it affect
other guys? Because I'm assuming getting Bregman was to relieve
him at third, making Kassas be in everyday. First Baseman
was to relieve him from that position. Roman Anthony coming
in seeing what we got, So it seems like the
(04:23):
club had been trying to find ways to make him happy.
But do you think that it's just nothing was working,
and that when it started affecting other players, how Korra
managed those were the last draws.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, I'll tell you this other note. When they told
Devers that they wanted him to go to DH it
was not Alex Cora. Alex Korra asked Breslo to do
that so that he could hopefully maintain that player coach relationship,
and it didn't work. It still didn't work. But to me,
(05:00):
you still have eight more years of this guy, or
you had you had eight more years of this guy,
and who knows if it was only going to get
worse and worse and worse. But I know for a
fact that this was not Breslo, this was not Alex Cora.
This was all done solely by John Henry because he
(05:23):
talks to Stam Kennedy to Breslo every day just about.
And those are the ones that are relating to John. Hey,
we have a cancer in this clubhouse. We need to
get rid of it. And on another note, John Henry
looks at it like I can get another close to
(05:44):
two hundred and fifty million dollars off of my books
and not have to deal with this.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Well, that's a big thing that I thought last night.
You got someone to take the contract. I mean, you know,
I know my wife's a huge Red Sox fan. She
was up that with me, like I made the trade,
and I'm like, I didn't get the guys in return.
I didn't get Hicks and Harrison and all the prospects.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That wasn't me. I'm just I'm you know, you're shooting
the messenger.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
But I also think that's what the fans are saying today,
Well you didn't get anything in return, Yes you did.
You got two hundred and fifty million dollars. You also
got got rid of this guy, You got.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Rid of the guys. Yeah, probably, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I look at I look at Mayor, I look at
you know, Roman Anthony and these guys that are coming
up that are the future of this organization. When Roffie
came up, man, everybody was his buddy. Everybody's helping them,
everybody's trying to, you know, give them the tricks of
the trade. I don't see him reaching out helping these
younger guys because he's all, you know, pissy with the
with management. That's part of what you do. You and
(06:43):
I did the same thing when the other younger pictures
came up. We showed them the ropes.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
You just nailed it, dud. The fact of the matter
is is that you've got three of your top prospects
up in the big leagues right now, and they're learning.
They got called up, but they're still having to learn
at the big league level. And they want these three
(07:10):
guys to model themselves after, saidan Rafaela. J D. Jaron Durant.
Those guys that play the game the right way and
will sacrifice position and go play left, right, center, shortstop,
whatever it takes. And they want these young guys to
(07:33):
see players like those so that they can becompany. They
don't want to be lazy, egotistical, self serving players. You
can't be that way in the big leagues and have
young talent seeing that coming up. It just it doesn't
(07:55):
work because next thing you know, you'll have three Raphael Devers.
If they say, oh, Rafael Devers gets away with it's
just like when I played with Manny Ramirez. Terry frank
Tona managed Manny Ramirez the best I've ever seen, because
he took Manny out of the games when he should
have been taken out of the game. He disciplined Manny
(08:17):
when he needed to be disciplined. And I don't necessarily
see that with or did not see that with Devers.
And you cannot let those young kids see that. You
just can't.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Was it ever a situation with Manny where like it
was hard? And I think what you're getting at, too,
is what DIBs and I were talking about. When Rafael's
doing this, he's the highest paid guy and he can
get away with it, it almost seems for the younger guys,
while I can get away with it too. Was there
ever that thought or feeling when Manny was going through
his certain things with Tito.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, well you look at Okay, ever's highest paid player
on the team, Manny with highest paid player on the team,
and you have to treat those players differently. Yes, I
do understand that. But at the same time, you can't
let them run them up. You cannot let them ruin
the culture that you're trying to create. Because listen, the
(09:14):
Red Sox culture is a very very real thing, and
they run that organization with that culture, and when they
see someone that's going to ruin that culture that they
have created since you know, two thousand and four, in
all these years, they're gonna get rid of them and
(09:35):
Dips just like you said, Now that I've seen this happen,
and even you texted me, they're like, Bevers is getting traded.
I text you back, Huh, the ain't no way. But
now that i'm I'm I'm looking at it today, I
have a strong feeling that they've been shopping Devors for
(09:57):
a while now and this came a long to where
they could get rid of the two hundred and fifty
million dollars and it was a win just to get
rid of that contract.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Bregman will come back, you know, Bray, you all these
other guys, and now you know there's actually an opening
and you don't have to that. That was my point
before too, Before you came on, they were talking about
trading because they need more trading, Duran trading. You know,
maybe Raphaela or one of these other young cats. I
think those guys are awesome. I think there may be
a couple of hours ahead of their time. I agreed
(10:29):
with you when you said that that Roman Anthony might
be a little bit early for him his arrival. But
at the same time, now you've got this whole like
you know, listen, I played with Kevin Mitchell, and let
me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It was uncomfortable. Every day.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Everybody walked on eggshells, and until he was gone, it
was it had never been that way. I'd been in
the organization for ten years and it was my last
year actually before I went free agent. I get out
of there, and thank god I went to the White Sox,
which is fantastic. But my point being is when one
guy is miserable, everybody's miserable. And that's just the way
(11:05):
it was. And Mike, I go back to this too.
I coach sixteen you players. I can't even imagine one
of my players because I preach this every day that
you've got to be good at every position. You got
to play every position. I asked yesterd, I already have
five catchers. I asked a question who could catch today?
Because we had two games, and everybody's like, I could catch. Coach,
I even my left handed players, because that's what I've
(11:25):
I've instilled in them to believe that wherever I go,
in high school or college, I have to be willing
to play anywhere at any time, do what the coach
asks you, and keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, I totally agree with you, Rob, Especially when somebody
goes down, it's like, hey, let's you know, somebody goes down.
It's like, hey, somebody's got to step up here. But
you know, I think the biggest thing that happened here
is ego. Gott in a way with Raphael Devers and
we all have it. And when you're playing the big
leagues and you're making the most of the money, it's
(11:59):
even worse. But you need that ego to be successful.
Don't get me wrong, but look, at the end of
the day, Raphael Devers was asked to do something to
me that wasn't out of line, and the simple fact
(12:22):
that was they told him to go from third base
to DH and then they asked them to go back
into the field. And it was almost like a tip
for tat Oh well f you no, well FU two right, Like,
I'm not doing this solely based upon because you want
you now need me and you wanted to put me
(12:44):
somewhere else. So I think that has a particular play
in it, and you know there's there's no place for that.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Let me ask you about another ego on this team,
some good stuff. I love this guy's ego. I just
wanted your thoughts on that. I don't know the new
fifth starter in this rotation for Boston Hunter Dobbins. This guy,
Yeah Lines is saying he'd never be a Yankee'd retire first,
just like Ken Griffy Jr. But just what are your
thoughts on him? He's been pretty hot in the last
couple of days. Did give up those home runs to Judge,
(13:15):
but the last three starts he's made the Red Sox
of one.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Well, the Red Sox needed somebody to step up in
their pitching rotation. Giolito finally stepped up his last start.
Beo's coming along a little bit better, but Beao throws
his changed I've been talking about Beaty and he's just
getting slow. His change up down a little bit. But
the starting pitching has suffered except for Crochet in Boston.
And now that you have one guy step up, it's
(13:41):
it's gonna be uh. You know how starters when when
when they have one person to kind of keep up
with or compete with, they're always better. And so I'm
looking for somebody to go out there and compete with
Garrett Crochet night in the night out and Hunter Dobbins. Man.
You know, this guy came out of nowhere and he's
(14:02):
pumping ninety seven. He's got great stuff. And I think,
you know, sometimes when a kid just finally it clicks
and he finally finds it, the success starts to happen,
and I think that he's had. I think the biggest
difference maker for Dobbins has been a split. He is
now able to throw a split for strikes and for chase,
(14:24):
and it's made all the difference in the world.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
My last question for you, brother is is you know,
I know he's making a lot of money, or David
Price made a lot of money, or some of these
other guys making a lot of money, even Barry Bonds.
Would you give up a lot of your money to
be like one of the most beloved Red Sox players
of all time, like a Carl Yastremsky, Or would you
want to be remembered like a Rafael Devers.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Now you know he had the opportunity, The opportunity for
him to be the next David Ortiz was there, But
do you even look at David Ortiz? What did he do?
He picked up a glove when we hadn't when where
we went and played interleague and he played first base
and he busted his ass to play first base. Was
(15:08):
he that great? No, he wasn't that great, But he
did what the team needed him and that's why he
was so beloved for so many years. And Devers just
decided to go in the opposite direction and he had
the opportunity. But now that's all gone, and it's sad
to see because he could have been a really great
(15:29):
Red Sox player for the rest of his career, but
unfortunately his ego got in the way.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Thank you, brother, have good good luck with this obstructive views.
I love watching it.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Man.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, man, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We'll steal you, all right, guys.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Next time, next time I'm up there, we'll want to
get some golf in Man.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That sounds good.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
All right, guys, take care
One of our favorite guests, Jonathan Pop Papa Bond. He
is Red Sox great. He also is on the news
show on Nesson that you can catch while you're watching
the Red Sox games. It's called Unobstructed Views. They do
a great job. I'm actually telling you what's going on,
uh during the game and having some great opinions and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
John joins us now on the hotline, Pappy, how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
What's going on? Guys? Sounds like y'all are joining your
time playing a little golf.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Huh, we ain't playing, but we're watching these guys right now.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
They're on the practice screen.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We do this every year from travelers and uh, it's
you know what it is. It's you know in spring
training when you and I would love when like the
the glove companies and the back companies would come so
right now they got all of like paying and shricks
in and all the other companies here letting these guys
try out all the new toys for the week.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, you need anything, what do you want? You need
a putter? You need a traver?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Tell you what I need? I need a potter that
puts it in the hole for me, is something that
can get me to shoot in the eighties because I suck.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
So what did you think of JJ spawn and that
long putt? Man?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm sure you and I both we have a lot
of those long putts we try to make for double bogie.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
That's incredible. Man. Actually, I did watch it, and you know,
a lot of people have told me, Dibbs, I don't
know about you that there's so many similarities between golf
and baseball. And I picked up golf after I got
numb retired, and there really is, you know, And I
just I just started playing. But I sucked, but I
love it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So you know, you heard about Raphael Dever's getting traded
at about the same time as I did. You were
actually traveling when you and I were speaking by a text.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Just your thoughts on what led up.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
To the trade though, you know, as a former player,
I don't want you to get yourself in trouble because
you work for Nessen in the Red Sox. But you
know what you saw from spring training on things couldn't
have been comfortable for him and his teammates.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Now did It's well, look, I think this decision basically
bowled down to one person and one person only, and
that being John Henry. This decision was made, in my opinion,
solely by John Henry. John Henry actually flew in to
(02:25):
Boston to try to convince Devers to pick up a
glove move to first do whatever it took to help
out the team, and his ego gotten away. I believe
his ego gotten away, and then you start to have dissension.
(02:50):
And when you have discension between a player and the
front office, once you have that, in my opinion, it
never goes well. And I think that with the way
Devers was acting, I mean, he showed up in spring training,
he didn't take any at Mass, he showed up in
(03:12):
out of shape in my opinion, and started season off
very poorly, but has turned it around now. But like
I was saying, this decision was based solely upon what
John Henry wanted. And I believe in my heart of
hearts that John Henry wants a ball club that is
(03:36):
tight and closed. The Red Sox buff Houses has always
been that way. And you know as well as I do, Rob,
you can't have one outside the group and win a
championship or try to go win a Pennon, If you
have that one guy, it's not gonna work, and he's,
in my opinion, it's becoming a cancer, and you can't
(03:59):
win that way.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Tinya took the words out of my mouth on the question.
I actually wrote down clubhouse cancer question mark just to you.
And you even said that how much does it affect
other guys? Because I'm assuming getting Bregman was to relieve
him at third, making Kassas be in everyday. First Baseman
was to relieve him from that position. Roman Anthony coming
in seeing what we got, So it seems like the
(04:23):
club had been trying to find ways to make him happy.
But do you think that it's just nothing was working,
and that when it started affecting other players, how Korra
managed those were the last draws.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, I'll tell you this other note. When they told
Devers that they wanted him to go to DH it
was not Alex Cora. Alex Korra asked Breslo to do
that so that he could hopefully maintain that player coach relationship,
and it didn't work. It still didn't work. But to me,
(05:00):
you still have eight more years of this guy, or
you had you had eight more years of this guy,
and who knows if it was only going to get
worse and worse and worse. But I know for a
fact that this was not Breslo, this was not Alex Cora.
This was all done solely by John Henry because he
(05:23):
talks to Stam Kennedy to Breslo every day just about.
And those are the ones that are relating to John. Hey,
we have a cancer in this clubhouse. We need to
get rid of it. And on another note, John Henry
looks at it like I can get another close to
(05:44):
two hundred and fifty million dollars off of my books
and not have to deal with this.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Well, that's a big thing that I thought last night.
You got someone to take the contract. I mean, you know,
I know my wife's a huge Red Sox fan. She
was up that with me, like I made the trade,
and I'm like, I didn't get the guys in return.
I didn't get Hicks and Harrison and all the prospects.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That wasn't me. I'm just I'm you know, you're shooting
the messenger.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
But I also think that's what the fans are saying today,
Well you didn't get anything in return, Yes you did.
You got two hundred and fifty million dollars. You also
got got rid of this guy, You got.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Rid of the guys. Yeah, probably, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I look at I look at Mayor, I look at
you know, Roman Anthony and these guys that are coming
up that are the future of this organization. When Roffie
came up, man, everybody was his buddy. Everybody's helping them,
everybody's trying to, you know, give them the tricks of
the trade. I don't see him reaching out helping these
younger guys because he's all, you know, pissy with the
with management. That's part of what you do. You and
(06:43):
I did the same thing when the other younger pictures
came up. We showed them the ropes.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
You just nailed it, dud. The fact of the matter
is is that you've got three of your top prospects
up in the big leagues right now, and they're learning.
They got called up, but they're still having to learn
at the big league level. And they want these three
(07:10):
guys to model themselves after, saidan Rafaela. J D. Jaron Durant.
Those guys that play the game the right way and
will sacrifice position and go play left, right, center, shortstop,
whatever it takes. And they want these young guys to
(07:33):
see players like those so that they can becompany. They
don't want to be lazy, egotistical, self serving players. You
can't be that way in the big leagues and have
young talent seeing that coming up. It just it doesn't
(07:55):
work because next thing you know, you'll have three Raphael Devers.
If they say, oh, Rafael Devers gets away with it's
just like when I played with Manny Ramirez. Terry frank
Tona managed Manny Ramirez the best I've ever seen, because
he took Manny out of the games when he should
have been taken out of the game. He disciplined Manny
(08:17):
when he needed to be disciplined. And I don't necessarily
see that with or did not see that with Devers.
And you cannot let those young kids see that. You
just can't.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Was it ever a situation with Manny where like it
was hard? And I think what you're getting at, too,
is what DIBs and I were talking about. When Rafael's
doing this, he's the highest paid guy and he can
get away with it, it almost seems for the younger guys,
while I can get away with it too. Was there
ever that thought or feeling when Manny was going through
his certain things with Tito.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, well you look at Okay, ever's highest paid player
on the team, Manny with highest paid player on the team,
and you have to treat those players differently. Yes, I
do understand that. But at the same time, you can't
let them run them up. You cannot let them ruin
the culture that you're trying to create. Because listen, the
(09:14):
Red Sox culture is a very very real thing, and
they run that organization with that culture, and when they
see someone that's going to ruin that culture that they
have created since you know, two thousand and four, in
all these years, they're gonna get rid of them and
(09:35):
Dips just like you said, Now that I've seen this happen,
and even you texted me, they're like, Bevers is getting traded.
I text you back, Huh, the ain't no way. But
now that i'm I'm I'm looking at it today, I
have a strong feeling that they've been shopping Devors for
(09:57):
a while now and this came a long to where
they could get rid of the two hundred and fifty
million dollars and it was a win just to get
rid of that contract.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Bregman will come back, you know, Bray, you all these
other guys, and now you know there's actually an opening
and you don't have to that. That was my point
before too, Before you came on, they were talking about
trading because they need more trading, Duran trading. You know,
maybe Raphaela or one of these other young cats. I
think those guys are awesome. I think there may be
a couple of hours ahead of their time. I agreed
(10:29):
with you when you said that that Roman Anthony might
be a little bit early for him his arrival. But
at the same time, now you've got this whole like
you know, listen, I played with Kevin Mitchell, and let
me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It was uncomfortable. Every day.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Everybody walked on eggshells, and until he was gone, it
was it had never been that way. I'd been in
the organization for ten years and it was my last
year actually before I went free agent. I get out
of there, and thank god I went to the White Sox,
which is fantastic. But my point being is when one
guy is miserable, everybody's miserable. And that's just the way
(11:05):
it was. And Mike, I go back to this too.
I coach sixteen you players. I can't even imagine one
of my players because I preach this every day that
you've got to be good at every position. You got
to play every position. I asked yesterd, I already have
five catchers. I asked a question who could catch today?
Because we had two games, and everybody's like, I could catch. Coach,
I even my left handed players, because that's what I've
(11:25):
I've instilled in them to believe that wherever I go,
in high school or college, I have to be willing
to play anywhere at any time, do what the coach
asks you, and keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, I totally agree with you, Rob, Especially when somebody
goes down, it's like, hey, let's you know, somebody goes down.
It's like, hey, somebody's got to step up here. But
you know, I think the biggest thing that happened here
is ego. Gott in a way with Raphael Devers and
we all have it. And when you're playing the big
leagues and you're making the most of the money, it's
(11:59):
even worse. But you need that ego to be successful.
Don't get me wrong, but look, at the end of
the day, Raphael Devers was asked to do something to
me that wasn't out of line, and the simple fact
(12:22):
that was they told him to go from third base
to DH and then they asked them to go back
into the field. And it was almost like a tip
for tat Oh well f you no, well FU two right, Like,
I'm not doing this solely based upon because you want
you now need me and you wanted to put me
(12:44):
somewhere else. So I think that has a particular play
in it, and you know there's there's no place for that.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Let me ask you about another ego on this team,
some good stuff. I love this guy's ego. I just
wanted your thoughts on that. I don't know the new
fifth starter in this rotation for Boston Hunter Dobbins. This guy,
Yeah Lines is saying he'd never be a Yankee'd retire first,
just like Ken Griffy Jr. But just what are your
thoughts on him? He's been pretty hot in the last
couple of days. Did give up those home runs to Judge,
(13:15):
but the last three starts he's made the Red Sox
of one.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Well, the Red Sox needed somebody to step up in
their pitching rotation. Giolito finally stepped up his last start.
Beo's coming along a little bit better, but Beao throws
his changed I've been talking about Beaty and he's just
getting slow. His change up down a little bit. But
the starting pitching has suffered except for Crochet in Boston.
And now that you have one guy step up, it's
(13:41):
it's gonna be uh. You know how starters when when
when they have one person to kind of keep up
with or compete with, they're always better. And so I'm
looking for somebody to go out there and compete with
Garrett Crochet night in the night out and Hunter Dobbins. Man.
You know, this guy came out of nowhere and he's
(14:02):
pumping ninety seven. He's got great stuff. And I think,
you know, sometimes when a kid just finally it clicks
and he finally finds it, the success starts to happen,
and I think that he's had. I think the biggest
difference maker for Dobbins has been a split. He is
now able to throw a split for strikes and for chase,
(14:24):
and it's made all the difference in the world.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
My last question for you, brother is is you know,
I know he's making a lot of money, or David
Price made a lot of money, or some of these
other guys making a lot of money, even Barry Bonds.
Would you give up a lot of your money to
be like one of the most beloved Red Sox players
of all time, like a Carl Yastremsky, Or would you
want to be remembered like a Rafael Devers.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Now you know he had the opportunity, The opportunity for
him to be the next David Ortiz was there, But
do you even look at David Ortiz? What did he do?
He picked up a glove when we hadn't when where
we went and played interleague and he played first base
and he busted his ass to play first base. Was
(15:08):
he that great? No, he wasn't that great, But he
did what the team needed him and that's why he
was so beloved for so many years. And Devers just
decided to go in the opposite direction and he had
the opportunity. But now that's all gone, and it's sad
to see because he could have been a really great
(15:29):
Red Sox player for the rest of his career, but
unfortunately his ego got in the way.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Thank you, brother, have good good luck with this obstructive views.
I love watching it.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Man.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, man, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We'll steal you, all right, guys.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Next time, next time I'm up there, we'll want to
get some golf in Man.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That sounds good.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
All right, guys, take care
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