September 14, 2025 • 15 mins
Originally aired on September 13th, 2025. Doug's entertaining interview with Ann Thomasson-Wilson, for your listening pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, thirty nine on Sports Talk seven ninety The Doug
(00:02):
Pike Show. We're running little bit late, trying to get
this one going.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
How did it get so late? Frankie, my own mind. Anna,
We're gonna blow right through this one.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We'll make up whatever we have to make up, because
I've got somebody important I want to talk to, and
this would be Anne Thomas and Wilson.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Go ahead and cue her up. Let's go. You got
it for me? Hey, Ann, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh? I'm fine, you know what.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm back in the saddle. I took a week off.
I did a little fishing.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I did a little of this, a little of that,
and just so you'll understand what I know about fishing.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
After I played golf yesterday, I dropped.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
A worm into a spot off of bridge, a little
tiny bridge, straight down. I knew the fish would be there,
absolutely knew it. But I didn't expect to catch what
I caught, and that was one that was about seven
and a half or eight.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It was nice.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh my goodness, how about that. That is a miracle. Congratulation.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I am talking to Anne Thomas and Wilson, owner and
operator pretty much chief cook and bottle washer too at
AD's Tackle Shop for nearly forty years up there in
Jasper and an East Texas legend. I suppose when it
comes to fishing up that way.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Huh, absolutely, absolutely, fishing his fun it is. Yeah, when
it ceases to be fun, you need to go home
and shot knitting, and I don't know how to knit
one and pearl two.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Let's talk about this honor that you've got cooking here,
this induction alongside Rick Klon into the Texas Freshwater Fisheries
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Did you? Was that something you much you.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Thought about during your fifty plus years in the freshwater
fishing world.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Never dreamed about it. I just went and done my thing,
enjoyed it and enjoyed working with the kids was the
most important thing to young folks. But I never dreamed
about a hall of fame. My goodness, how about that?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
You know, and I bet you there were a whole
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Talking about it and not telling you about it when
they were putting all this together.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So let's go back, way, way, way, way way back.
Who introduced you to fishing?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Oh, my goodness, I think my other my older brother,
he's two years older than me, Coward Grinner, and he
would take me fishing down at the little Sandy Creek
right here in jasper In Town. We fished under the
bridge down there and called lill O Bitty Park. We
came home and my mom and grandmother cook them up
(02:38):
forest and the whole thing. They were full of bones.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh gosh, did you take the fishing right away? You
kind of knew you loved it.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Absolutely. He used to play don't you tell this, don't
tell this? But I played hooky from school and went fishing.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't think there's anybody around anymore who's gonna come
back and get mad at Thank you for that?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Ann Oh my, well they didn't. They didn't.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, i'll tell you well, as long as we're sharing secrets, yeah,
I may have done that once or twice two.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Let's fast forward a little bit, okay, a little bit.
When you got into competitive fishing. You turned pro what
in nineteen seventy, is that right?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, back in the seventies, and we had like a
like a local bass club, you know, and we I
think I'm pushing buttons. No, you're fine, Okay, don't hold
it so close to the think, Oh, no.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You're fine. Don't whoever's telling you don't do anything. Just
do whatever you're doing, because you're coming through loud and clear.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I'm coming through that, yes, ma'am. Okay, dolly. Were were
we paying hooky from school? Going fishing?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Getting into tournament fishing tournaments?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Oh? In my tournament fishing, we had started a ladies
baths club. Uh, the men always had one, you know,
because ladies decided and it was by you back and
gals out of Lake Charles. And they were a whole
bunch of friends of then. So they invited me to
join them, and we did, and so it just graduated
(04:15):
from there.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Were you able to were you did you?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Did you start tournament fishing because you knew that you
could win their money or you thought you could win
their money.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Now it was the competition. I boat raced raced boats
back in my earlier days, and the competition, huh.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
What kind of what kind of boat were you racing?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The little likely little hydros? Well we have now, you know,
with a modified mark twenty on the back of it.
We had. Yeah, we ran our husband's rigs, but they
made us wait and run them last. So we wouldn't
tell the boats of them not be able to compete.
So we had the paddles, we had the paddlepuff division,
(05:02):
which was all the white.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Oh my word.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Al Ways, I've always lets competitives up.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So let's move out of that and get to the store.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
At what point did you think it was a great
idea to open up a tackle shop and tackle shop
there in Jasper?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, the funny thing about it, I went to my
banker and I asked him if I could bar fifteen
hundred dollars and he said for what? And I said,
I want to buy that little tackle shop up there.
And he said, oh no, miss Han, I wouldn't do
that a time was you. They've had two or three
owners and none of them ever made it. And I said, yeah,
but that I said, yeah, but that ain't me. And
(05:41):
he said, well, if you insist, and so he did,
and that's how I went and paid them and I
started it. And it's just been a wonderful, wonderful experience.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'm sure it has. I can't imagine anybody being more
qualified to run a tackle store than you were. You
able to keep fishing tournaments after you got the store
up and running.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh, yeah, I had people that worked it on. I
still traveled and went and fished turnamuths, you know. And
I think one of the best one and one of
the most I remember the most is the Hudson River
at Catskill, New York. Oh, that's when I won that.
I want to boat up there. I had to hitchhike
at home. There was a man walked up. I literally
(06:27):
hitch hiked back to Louisiana with one of the rip
service trucks and then we went over and picked it
up over there. But I had a man walk up
too many. He said, I know you just won that boat,
and y'all blue, y'all up here. So he said how
much you want? I'll give you twelve thousand dollars. I said, yeah,
I guess you would.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh man, did you do a lot of research on
the lakes you were going to fish? It was if
it was brand new water to you. Did you do
a bunch of research before? There wasn't any internet back then,
So how did you figure out how you were going
to approach a lake and come back?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
She might have pushed another button.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Let's do a quick break and disconnect and reconnect, all right,
I'm not gonna waste time with a lot of music. Here.
I am as a fisherman, I am not one to
let a big one get away. And so I'm gonna
get Ann back on the phone. Here, tickty click, click boom.
I got you.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
What the heck?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Now?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I got had you all?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Had you all the way to the boat and and
you pulled the hook?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
What was going on?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I set the hook?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, so let's get back.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Let's get back into that tournament fishing.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
This is what I was going to ask you. Did
you do a lot of research on the lakes you.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Were going to fish going into a tournament that you'd
never if you'd never been on that water.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Absolutely. If I didn't have a map, well, I called
her chamber of commerce in that town and ask them
where to get one. I ordered one. I did my homework.
I looked at areas that I like to fish on
labor and the coves and this and that. When I
got there, I kind of had a game plan already
in place.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah you have to, don't you?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You have to? Hey, I got a question for you.
What do you think? And forward facing sonar?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I don't know this new modern Steff is not I
was out of it before all of that come in
the forward facing. I don't think it's right. I think
that we need to use our skills. Yeah, like we
did back when we started. I mean you could have
another circuit or something and not use that. I mean
(08:38):
we didn't have all that, and we had just as
much fun, you know, and called just as many fish.
But it's called using your basic skills.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, it takes a lot a long time to learn.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And I think what it is with young people a
little bit, is that this that they don't want to
take the time. And I heard somebody say, a young
person come back from fish in one time and he
was asked by his dad, he said, did you catch anything?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And they said, no, we never saw.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
One, never made a cast because they didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
See a fish. Like, that's not how I fish.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well, I don't think that's right. I think, you know,
don't bang up on them. I mean, my goodness, figure
out how to catch them and then catch them and
fish against the fish. My word here, I like that't
fish against me. I don't fish against the competitor. He
he ain't gonna beat you. It's gonna be the fish.
It's gonna beat you. You got to learn how to
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catch them fish and then you will beat the competitors.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yes, indeed, did you have a go to kind of
a fallback technique if or lure type? If you go,
let's say, plan A, plan A on the day is
not working, but you always know that you can catch
fish doing what.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I had two lures, one of them with blue blue
and the other one was sudden, and then I worm fish.
But the worm was really my favorite. But blue blue
was a tugger bait. Okay, it was said by heading,
and it was a chugger. It was a clear one.
And blue blue was my sudden. I mean sudden was
my baby tarteita, not cant and yeah, chrome black mats,
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so gloop in sudden and then my worms.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Tell me about your best memory from tournament fishing. Yess
why best memory from tournament fishing?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You're talking about weight, but yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
What was your biggest what was your biggest sack of fish?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Oh my gosh, I don't remember. That's when something found.
My lord, you're stretching the brain.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Now that's fair enough. Let's just leave it at this.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
How about you, If if we'd.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Have had all day to think of this, you could
have said enough to win? How about that?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That's your answer if anybody ever asked you again.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, So what about when who was.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Who was most famous person who ever walked into ance
tackle shop? I know you must have had some pretty
big names in bass fishing come through there.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Absolutely well. Of course I had the Jimmy Houston's and
christ Houston's and Bill Dance and wow, uh oh, I
mean on and on and on and huh you now
you're were trying to tell me, okay, oh, I was
(11:34):
trying to think, uh, goll is the governor of Texas.
Oh wow. Yeah. And now she didn't actually come in
the shop, but they asked me to go out to
the lake and do pictures with her.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Fantastic were promoted.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
They were promoting the lake and promoting fishing, and so
she came, was invited, and she came, and I went
up to the boat ramp and we leaned down and
showed you know, the hatchery was there, and brought some
fry in a bucket.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh nice.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah. We squatted down right at the edge of the
water and I showed her how to scoop him up
with both hands and lay them over in the water.
And we watched a little five, you know, swim off.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Just cross your fingers and hope they survive.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Huh they did. I'm just sure they did. We put
it up in there. After we'd done that. They poured
the bucket pull over in there. So some of them made.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It, you know, they did.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
They can get away from anything if there's enough of
them mercy. Then now you're going into the freshwater Fishing
Hall of Fame with Rick Klan. Have you had the
opportunity to meet him or fish with him at all?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Oh? Yeah, but I know him, yes, and he's a
fine gentleman. It's well deserved, and I could congratulate him
and it'll be nice to see him and his family again.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Never fish with him, probably because he didn't want to
get in there and get whipped by a girl.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You could have.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I bet you could out fished him on a good day.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Huh, it depends, I tell you what. Hey, it would
probably be a pass up. But he's one of the
best that ever was.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well so are you, and so are you.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You could have got that little blue bloop out and took.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Him to town, you know, absolutely blue blue for.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Sudden, I gotta go find I gotta go look that
bait up.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Honestly, I go all the way.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I started bass fishing in the seventies as a as
a pretty young guy, and I never I've never seen
that lure. So I'm gonna go look it up as
soon as we hang up, I promise you, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Oh okay, yeah, oh that's what you nicknamed it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Okay, now I know what it is.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, it's a it's a chuggle, but you know it's
flat on the front.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, favorite color, favorite.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Color, and yeah, different colors. My best one was clear
on that one. Yeah, Sudden was my baby tarpe that
you know what?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Oh, yes, I certainly do. I still have some in
the garage, guarantee it somewhere. I don't know if I
could put hands on one, but they're in there.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Oh my god. It was always Yeah, the girls would
always tease about what are you throwing for a sudden? Oh?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Golly, Well, Ann Thomas and Wilson, it has been a
pleasure talking to you, it really has. I'm so glad
and happy for you that you finally get the recognition
you deserve for being such a force in fresh water
fishing all over East Texas. There's a lot of people
who know who you are, and they're all they're all
rooting for you and cheering for you, and congratulations on
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that Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Thank you so much, appreciate my pleasure. The United States.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
If I get up in Jasper anytime soon, I'm gonna
I'm gonna find you. I don't know where I'll find you,
but I'll find you. Oh okay, all right, good Heavens,
we gotta take another little break here. That was so fun, man.
I would love to just sit down and over maybe
a chicken fried steak or something, and just have dinner
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with her. I'm buying and talk to her about fishing.
When she said blue Bloop, it sounded like it was
the name of the Lord. But now I understand it's
a chugger, and I did have plenty of those. So
now I'm set.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I may just go find one, and I think I
know where to look in my garage, find one, and
throw it either this afternoon or tomorrow afternoon late in
Anne's honor out there on that golf course Lake
Hey, thirty nine on Sports Talk seven ninety The Doug
(00:02):
Pike Show. We're running little bit late, trying to get
this one going.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
How did it get so late? Frankie, my own mind. Anna,
We're gonna blow right through this one.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We'll make up whatever we have to make up, because
I've got somebody important I want to talk to, and
this would be Anne Thomas and Wilson.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Go ahead and cue her up. Let's go. You got
it for me? Hey, Ann, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh? I'm fine, you know what.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm back in the saddle. I took a week off.
I did a little fishing.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I did a little of this, a little of that,
and just so you'll understand what I know about fishing.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
After I played golf yesterday, I dropped.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
A worm into a spot off of bridge, a little
tiny bridge, straight down. I knew the fish would be there,
absolutely knew it. But I didn't expect to catch what
I caught, and that was one that was about seven
and a half or eight.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It was nice.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh my goodness, how about that. That is a miracle. Congratulation.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I am talking to Anne Thomas and Wilson, owner and
operator pretty much chief cook and bottle washer too at
AD's Tackle Shop for nearly forty years up there in
Jasper and an East Texas legend. I suppose when it
comes to fishing up that way.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Huh, absolutely, absolutely, fishing his fun it is. Yeah, when
it ceases to be fun, you need to go home
and shot knitting, and I don't know how to knit
one and pearl two.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Let's talk about this honor that you've got cooking here,
this induction alongside Rick Klon into the Texas Freshwater Fisheries
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Did you? Was that something you much you.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Thought about during your fifty plus years in the freshwater
fishing world.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Never dreamed about it. I just went and done my thing,
enjoyed it and enjoyed working with the kids was the
most important thing to young folks. But I never dreamed
about a hall of fame. My goodness, how about that?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
You know, and I bet you there were a whole
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Talking about it and not telling you about it when
they were putting all this together.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So let's go back, way, way, way, way way back.
Who introduced you to fishing?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Oh, my goodness, I think my other my older brother,
he's two years older than me, Coward Grinner, and he
would take me fishing down at the little Sandy Creek
right here in jasper In Town. We fished under the
bridge down there and called lill O Bitty Park. We
came home and my mom and grandmother cook them up
(02:38):
forest and the whole thing. They were full of bones.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh gosh, did you take the fishing right away? You
kind of knew you loved it.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Absolutely. He used to play don't you tell this, don't
tell this? But I played hooky from school and went fishing.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't think there's anybody around anymore who's gonna come
back and get mad at Thank you for that?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Ann Oh my, well they didn't. They didn't.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, i'll tell you well, as long as we're sharing secrets, yeah,
I may have done that once or twice two.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Let's fast forward a little bit, okay, a little bit.
When you got into competitive fishing. You turned pro what
in nineteen seventy, is that right?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, back in the seventies, and we had like a
like a local bass club, you know, and we I
think I'm pushing buttons. No, you're fine, Okay, don't hold
it so close to the think, Oh, no.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You're fine. Don't whoever's telling you don't do anything. Just
do whatever you're doing, because you're coming through loud and clear.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I'm coming through that, yes, ma'am. Okay, dolly. Were were
we paying hooky from school? Going fishing?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Getting into tournament fishing tournaments?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Oh? In my tournament fishing, we had started a ladies
baths club. Uh, the men always had one, you know,
because ladies decided and it was by you back and
gals out of Lake Charles. And they were a whole
bunch of friends of then. So they invited me to
join them, and we did, and so it just graduated
(04:15):
from there.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Were you able to were you did you?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Did you start tournament fishing because you knew that you
could win their money or you thought you could win
their money.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Now it was the competition. I boat raced raced boats
back in my earlier days, and the competition, huh.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
What kind of what kind of boat were you racing?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The little likely little hydros? Well we have now, you know,
with a modified mark twenty on the back of it.
We had. Yeah, we ran our husband's rigs, but they
made us wait and run them last. So we wouldn't
tell the boats of them not be able to compete.
So we had the paddles, we had the paddlepuff division,
(05:02):
which was all the white.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Oh my word.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Al Ways, I've always lets competitives up.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So let's move out of that and get to the store.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
At what point did you think it was a great
idea to open up a tackle shop and tackle shop
there in Jasper?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, the funny thing about it, I went to my
banker and I asked him if I could bar fifteen
hundred dollars and he said for what? And I said,
I want to buy that little tackle shop up there.
And he said, oh no, miss Han, I wouldn't do
that a time was you. They've had two or three
owners and none of them ever made it. And I said, yeah,
but that I said, yeah, but that ain't me. And
(05:41):
he said, well, if you insist, and so he did,
and that's how I went and paid them and I
started it. And it's just been a wonderful, wonderful experience.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'm sure it has. I can't imagine anybody being more
qualified to run a tackle store than you were. You
able to keep fishing tournaments after you got the store
up and running.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh, yeah, I had people that worked it on. I
still traveled and went and fished turnamuths, you know. And
I think one of the best one and one of
the most I remember the most is the Hudson River
at Catskill, New York. Oh, that's when I won that.
I want to boat up there. I had to hitchhike
at home. There was a man walked up. I literally
(06:27):
hitch hiked back to Louisiana with one of the rip
service trucks and then we went over and picked it
up over there. But I had a man walk up
too many. He said, I know you just won that boat,
and y'all blue, y'all up here. So he said how
much you want? I'll give you twelve thousand dollars. I said, yeah,
I guess you would.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh man, did you do a lot of research on
the lakes you were going to fish? It was if
it was brand new water to you. Did you do
a bunch of research before? There wasn't any internet back then,
So how did you figure out how you were going
to approach a lake and come back?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
She might have pushed another button.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Let's do a quick break and disconnect and reconnect, all right,
I'm not gonna waste time with a lot of music. Here.
I am as a fisherman, I am not one to
let a big one get away. And so I'm gonna
get Ann back on the phone. Here, tickty click, click boom.
I got you.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
What the heck?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Now?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I got had you all?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Had you all the way to the boat and and
you pulled the hook?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
What was going on?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I set the hook?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, so let's get back.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Let's get back into that tournament fishing.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
This is what I was going to ask you. Did
you do a lot of research on the lakes you.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Were going to fish going into a tournament that you'd
never if you'd never been on that water.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Absolutely. If I didn't have a map, well, I called
her chamber of commerce in that town and ask them
where to get one. I ordered one. I did my homework.
I looked at areas that I like to fish on
labor and the coves and this and that. When I
got there, I kind of had a game plan already
in place.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah you have to, don't you?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You have to? Hey, I got a question for you.
What do you think? And forward facing sonar?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I don't know this new modern Steff is not I
was out of it before all of that come in
the forward facing. I don't think it's right. I think
that we need to use our skills. Yeah, like we
did back when we started. I mean you could have
another circuit or something and not use that. I mean
(08:38):
we didn't have all that, and we had just as
much fun, you know, and called just as many fish.
But it's called using your basic skills.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, it takes a lot a long time to learn.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And I think what it is with young people a
little bit, is that this that they don't want to
take the time. And I heard somebody say, a young
person come back from fish in one time and he
was asked by his dad, he said, did you catch anything?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And they said, no, we never saw.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
One, never made a cast because they didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
See a fish. Like, that's not how I fish.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well, I don't think that's right. I think, you know,
don't bang up on them. I mean, my goodness, figure
out how to catch them and then catch them and
fish against the fish. My word here, I like that't
fish against me. I don't fish against the competitor. He
he ain't gonna beat you. It's gonna be the fish.
It's gonna beat you. You got to learn how to
(09:35):
catch them fish and then you will beat the competitors.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yes, indeed, did you have a go to kind of
a fallback technique if or lure type? If you go,
let's say, plan A, plan A on the day is
not working, but you always know that you can catch
fish doing what.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I had two lures, one of them with blue blue
and the other one was sudden, and then I worm fish.
But the worm was really my favorite. But blue blue
was a tugger bait. Okay, it was said by heading,
and it was a chugger. It was a clear one.
And blue blue was my sudden. I mean sudden was
my baby tarteita, not cant and yeah, chrome black mats,
(10:18):
so gloop in sudden and then my worms.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Tell me about your best memory from tournament fishing. Yess
why best memory from tournament fishing?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You're talking about weight, but yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
What was your biggest what was your biggest sack of fish?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Oh my gosh, I don't remember. That's when something found.
My lord, you're stretching the brain.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Now that's fair enough. Let's just leave it at this.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
How about you, If if we'd.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Have had all day to think of this, you could
have said enough to win? How about that?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That's your answer if anybody ever asked you again.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, So what about when who was.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Who was most famous person who ever walked into ance
tackle shop? I know you must have had some pretty
big names in bass fishing come through there.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Absolutely well. Of course I had the Jimmy Houston's and
christ Houston's and Bill Dance and wow, uh oh, I
mean on and on and on and huh you now
you're were trying to tell me, okay, oh, I was
(11:34):
trying to think, uh, goll is the governor of Texas.
Oh wow. Yeah. And now she didn't actually come in
the shop, but they asked me to go out to
the lake and do pictures with her.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Fantastic were promoted.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
They were promoting the lake and promoting fishing, and so
she came, was invited, and she came, and I went
up to the boat ramp and we leaned down and
showed you know, the hatchery was there, and brought some
fry in a bucket.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh nice.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah. We squatted down right at the edge of the
water and I showed her how to scoop him up
with both hands and lay them over in the water.
And we watched a little five, you know, swim off.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Just cross your fingers and hope they survive.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Huh they did. I'm just sure they did. We put
it up in there. After we'd done that. They poured
the bucket pull over in there. So some of them made.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It, you know, they did.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
They can get away from anything if there's enough of
them mercy. Then now you're going into the freshwater Fishing
Hall of Fame with Rick Klan. Have you had the
opportunity to meet him or fish with him at all?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Oh? Yeah, but I know him, yes, and he's a
fine gentleman. It's well deserved, and I could congratulate him
and it'll be nice to see him and his family again.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Never fish with him, probably because he didn't want to
get in there and get whipped by a girl.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You could have.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I bet you could out fished him on a good day.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Huh, it depends, I tell you what. Hey, it would
probably be a pass up. But he's one of the
best that ever was.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well so are you, and so are you.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You could have got that little blue bloop out and took.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Him to town, you know, absolutely blue blue for.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Sudden, I gotta go find I gotta go look that
bait up.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Honestly, I go all the way.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I started bass fishing in the seventies as a as
a pretty young guy, and I never I've never seen
that lure. So I'm gonna go look it up as
soon as we hang up, I promise you, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Oh okay, yeah, oh that's what you nicknamed it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Okay, now I know what it is.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, it's a it's a chuggle, but you know it's
flat on the front.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, favorite color, favorite.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Color, and yeah, different colors. My best one was clear
on that one. Yeah, Sudden was my baby tarpe that
you know what?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Oh, yes, I certainly do. I still have some in
the garage, guarantee it somewhere. I don't know if I
could put hands on one, but they're in there.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Oh my god. It was always Yeah, the girls would
always tease about what are you throwing for a sudden? Oh?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Golly, Well, Ann Thomas and Wilson, it has been a
pleasure talking to you, it really has. I'm so glad
and happy for you that you finally get the recognition
you deserve for being such a force in fresh water
fishing all over East Texas. There's a lot of people
who know who you are, and they're all they're all
rooting for you and cheering for you, and congratulations on
(14:43):
that Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Thank you so much, appreciate my pleasure. The United States.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
If I get up in Jasper anytime soon, I'm gonna
I'm gonna find you. I don't know where I'll find you,
but I'll find you. Oh okay, all right, good Heavens,
we gotta take another little break here. That was so fun, man.
I would love to just sit down and over maybe
a chicken fried steak or something, and just have dinner
(15:11):
with her. I'm buying and talk to her about fishing.
When she said blue Bloop, it sounded like it was
the name of the Lord. But now I understand it's
a chugger, and I did have plenty of those. So
now I'm set.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I may just go find one, and I think I
know where to look in my garage, find one, and
throw it either this afternoon or tomorrow afternoon late in
Anne's honor out there on that golf course Lake
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