August 13, 2025 • 21 mins
Originally aired on August 10th, 2025. Doug's insightful interview with Michael "Sharky" Marquez, for your listening pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome back Dunflick Show, Sports Talk seven ninety
eight seventeen. I'm gonna get quickly to Michael Marquez aka Sharky.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What's going on? Sharky? There we go.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Now you're here. I'm trying to get in the boat
and I fell into water.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
So what's going on? We're good?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hey, Yeah, we're good now.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I appreciate your time. I know you got to get
to church, so don't worry about me holding on to you.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
To me deal man.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So if you if you're if you're getting a phone
call and the guy who's paying for the trip is
here's what I kind of want to do. If the
guy who's paying for the trip says, I want to
catch up whatever it is. What I want to know
is how you're rigging up? What rod you're carrying? And
maybe I think to make.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It easy, let's just start from the bottom and work
our way up.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So the guy says, man, I'd really like to catch
a bunch of red snapper for my family.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So what what rods you loading up for those?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Absolutely, man, So we really like you know, So depending
on what the what the angler preference is, if it's
a spinning combo set up. We're using like a pin
slammer sixty five hundred's sixty five pound.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Braid with like a.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Like a forty to sixty pound pin carnage rod or
like six and a half seven foot boat boat rods,
and that that that set up. What's great about that
and also the uh the open face that that we use,
which would be like a pin fathom forty ld compared
with a pin carnage rod sixty pound braid.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I mean, they're so interchangeable.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So yeah, we really like to use snap swivels you.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Know that way.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
We have some pre made leaders and it's something something
else swims up to the boat that's not a snapper.
You know, you can just interchange that out super quickly.
But that's kind of the combos that we use. We
you control with them, you can drop them to the bottom,
you could slow pitch jigum.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, those those we love.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
The pin uh pence atoms for the for the open face,
and the spin fisher slammers for the spinning reels are
are hard to be We even take them out there
and tune of fish with them those days.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Absolutely, it sounds to me like and I'm glad to
hear it.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
There are rods and real the combinations that you can
put together that really will serve more than one or
two purposes. Because man, twenty five thirty years ago, if
you were going to kind of catch this, you had
to have these rods. And if you were going to
catch that, you had to bring thirty rods on board, you.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Know, right, we did.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't know if we needed them, but we had them.
You know, you mentioned pre made leaders.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
How many leaders when you leave the doc, how many
snapper leaders, how many king macro leaders whatever are are
tied up and total stowed away somewhere.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, if I got you know, the idea is that
we make we try to at least make pretty quick
work out of this. And so you know, you might
get broke off by a shark eating a snapper or
an amber jack hitting it, you know, while you're reeling
in something small. So I like to have a backup.
So if I got six guys, I'm bringing you know,
ten twelve leaders, and that the idea is that that
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should be more than enough to get our limit and
rock and roll onto something else. And so you know,
typically that's the that's the idea. And the premise is,
you know, if we're on a ten hour or twelve
hour trip, these guys there, they're excited to catch the
red snapper, but typically we catch the biggest ones we
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can and then we move on and we have the
rest of the day to kind of play around out there,
you know, looking for weed lines or targeting different you know,
whatever's priority on their species list of kegs.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Back to the bottom shark you for just second. I
don't want to get too far ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So if a guys is.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I want to catch, I don't care if I catch,
if anybody else on the whole boat catches a snapper.
I want to see the biggest snapper on the bottom
where we stop.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
How are you gonna bait for that?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, So I mean the ultimate ultimate would be some
live bait, like stopping uh uh, you know, bringing some
piggy perch or throwing a piggy trap in.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Those those live baits work really well. But I'll tell
you another trick is we use like giant, giant palm
sized men Haden. Yeah, and those men Hayden, you can
literally like lay out in your palm and they're hanging
over you're hanging over both sides of your hand.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And saying and what they're big.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
And what I tell my people is, look, we're gonna
drop this thing down over this reef or over this structure,
and you're gonna get a lot of little nibbles. And
my thoughts are is that there's a lot of little
snappers that are coming up and kind of pecking at it.
And uh, I tell my folks, especially my my bass
guys or my fresh water guys, said, it's gonna take
everything in you not to set that hook.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But do not set that hook and wait for that
rock to double over.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And that's that big mama bear snapper coming in, pushing
the little guys out of the way, grabbing the bait
and driving straight and straight down with it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And so it'll go from those machine.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Gun hits, all of a sudden that rod doubles over,
and so big man Hayden, And you know what we
will use like super fresh, they're like Elix squid, they're
super you know, there's so many different types of squids,
but the really big, the big squid, whole squid, we're
never cutting them in chunks unless we're you know, bottom
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fishing for over millions or different smaller snapper species, but
just big baits. You know, the fish are there. A
lot of times those big fish are there. There might
be you know, two hundred small snapper and five big one, right,
so you just putting the big enough bait down there
to be there long enough so that big snapper can
find it out. You know, can can can sniff it out.
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And so that's been a key for us this season
and pulling big snapper. Just throw and dig big baits
down there, ignoring the nibbles and waiting for that months
to come up and smack it.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You know, what what do you what do you shift?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
What gear do you shift into? If the guy says, okay,
we got our snapper. I want to catch a big amberjack.
Do you first ask him if he's of sound mind
and body.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Typically the first question, you know, we're not in AJ season.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
But example was three days ago we.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Had somebody that wanted to catch an AJ and so,
you know, dropping a typically way you're snapper fishing, you
can look out and there's typically i mean if you're
over a reef or over a rig or something in
their snapper there there's typically bait fish there, you know,
that's why the snapper are there, right, so uh tying
on a subekie rig casting it out.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And really in some blue runners.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean, that would be the most efficient way catch
you some some live little blue runners or grunt fish
or whatever else. You know, anything that's twelve inches or under,
they're gonna they're gonna eat that and uh dropping that
sucker about halfway down in the water column. And for that,
you know, sometimes we do catch the big emerjet on
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our on our snapper rods and it's just this crazy
fight and they'll lead our you know, big uh big
man Hagen.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You know, I was I was gonna ask you about
Sabeki riggs and whether you still drag them out there
and for that very purpose, and I'm glad you brought
it up and before I even talked about it, because
that was that's a game changer out there.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
It's not that hard to catch life if you've got
those with you.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Is it. Yeah, it's not. In a little tip is
we really like to use the uh when you're buying
a Subeki rigs, you know from Academy or whatever, order
one online. We really like the thirty pound or even
the best is like the forty pounds.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, mono. You know, you're just not.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Gonna have as many breakoffs because you'll be realing fish
in and they'll get they'll get a then you know,
you drop ten hooks down and you got three left
to drop with. So that forty pound is a little
bit more durable when you're dropping it down to the
bottom and trying to I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I don't think it costs you any bites on those
things either. Really, they're little tiny dressed hooks, and little
tiny fish are coming up and eating them and they're
not I don't think they're spooking off that line at all.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Almost. Yeah, I don't think so either.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
That forty pound is my favorite, you know, and sometimes
are real long. There's like fourteen hooks on there, and
it's yeah, yeah, I'll cut that thing down, you know,
cut halfway down it and I just need six or
seven hooks dropping to the bottom with.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
A little tear drop style weight.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And you know, the first introduction I ever got to
anything like that was when I was a little kid
fishing on the Deerfield Beach Fishing Pier in Florida at
my grandparent are close to my grandparents' house, and this
guy was there were big schools of pilchers moving up
and down the beach and whatnot. Oh yeah, and this
guy all he had was a little dropper rig that
he'd made at home. There were no subeakie rigs back
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a million years ago, and just a little little gold
short shank like salmon egg hooks and then dropped about
six of those. And that's all it took. Man, just
that little sparkle in the water and they ate it up.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Buddy, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
All right, let's come up top a little bit. Let's
let's go king fishing. Now, what are we going to change?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, kingfishing. You know a couple of different methods and
ways to do it. I'm a real big fan of
slow trolling, so I'll use the Rapolla divers. Yeah, and
I'll do I'll do me like eighty six. I think
it's I think it comes in about eighty six or
somewhere around that eighty pound eighty three. It's it's just
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a wire and we're using haywire twist yep. If you're
rocking with whether it's the spinning reel we talked about,
or the or the bait cast or reel man, you
snap sliplet you catch a snapper. That's what you've got
a two foot leter with with your eighty pound you know, haywire,
twist onto one of those ripola divers and you start
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trolling that thing around the reef and over the top
of the reef or you know, whether it's behind trump
boats or over a reef system. And the great thing
is you can mark those kingfish. So say that I'm
pulling up to a new spot and I've never fished
it before, and I want to see if there's any
any structure down there or snapper.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Or bottom fishing.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I love to put out those divers, you know, quarter
mile away from it and just troll up and around
and over it while I'm running my DownScan and then bang,
I see my snapper down there. I hit the mark
button on my GPS. Maybe we catch some kingfish, maybe
we hooked into something crazy, but at least i'm kind
of I'm kind of multitasking. And then once we do that,
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I can always come back around and drop on that structure.
And you know, and that with the currents and everything too. Uh,
you know, if you've got a strong current, uh, those
fish are typically off the back end of that refrastructure, you.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Know, on the down current side. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
And what you'll notice a lot of times is if
you pull up to a small spot, whether it's a
pipeline crossing or or say just a well head or
something that's small, you'll notice that those fish can be
can be it, you know, one hundred yards off of it?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Sometimes? Yeah? Easy?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And so yeah, you you want to troll, you want
to troll around it, or at least you know. I
always tell my my guys in my seminars and stuff
if I do a seminar, I say, look, when you're
trying to catch those a big snaper, A lot of
times we're dropping on the main area or what you
think is the main area, and we're drifting way off
of it. At least give it one good drift. You
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might catch, you know, one hundred yards off of that thing.
You might catch a monster.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
No kid, because that monster is not going to hang
out with the little kids.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
A lot of times this is Grandpa on the couch
you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Man, let's take it.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Can you hang on through a quick break?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Okay, good, I got more questions.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
If anybody else has got a question, you want me
to ask Sharky shoot me an email or a text
or whatever, and I'll try to work it in if
you want to.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You take a couple of calls, Sharky. Maybe yeah, somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Somebody panicking and trying to man, I got a chance
to talk to this guy about offshore.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I love it. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We're gonna take a little break here, got Sharky Marquez
on the phone.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Lest see him back up.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
There we go, Hey, Sharky, thanks for hanging around, Mandy.
I got a question, you know, Guitar Dave, guitar Dave.
He wants to know about catching dorado, okay, And I
want to know because he asked me to ask you
if they have become if they've become smart enough in
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their evolution over the last one hundred million years. If
you catch me, if you got one on the hook
and you leave him in the water, do they all
still hang around?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Are they that dumb still?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
You know? I would say a lot of the times,
the smaller ones are, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And I've been offshore fishing now, I've been.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Fishing for you know, professionally for twelve years that I've
been offshore only for about five. I think this is
my fifth or fifth year. Maybe it'll fifth or sixth years,
and crazy it used to be like that. What I
have noticed is I've also changed my fishing method for them.
So you know, back in the day, when I would
I'd say back in the day, say last summer, as
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early as last summer, I'd see a weed line out there,
we would pull up, we would chum the weed line,
and then we would have a bunch of mahi swim out.
You know, we find the biggest chunk of weed we could,
or whatever's floating, and we'd have a bunch of mahi
swim out and we'd start throwing you know, free floating,
no way, just circle hooks, some floor carbon forty pounds liter,
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little circle hook and we'd catch them. But what I've
done and transitioned into is if I've got a nice
stretch and a nice weed line or a rip current,
I've transitioned into trolling it, you know, user feather jigs.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, bigger fish, bigger fish. And it was great. We
made a lot of memories.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
We caught a ton of mahi doing the uh the
pitch lining. But but man, this summer, yeah, I said,
I got I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to
transition into chicken dolphins. From chicken dolphins to some bulls
and and bigger fish. And man, it's worked like a charm.
And so yeah, to answer your question, there's still there's
still a little silly out there. I feel like they've
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gotten a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
We were Yeah, you would think we did our sword fishing.
Uh two three days ago we were out there hooked
up on a sword.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Fish and.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It was great. It was great.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
We were there, We were on it for about three hours.
After three hours, there was schooling mahi around the boat
while we were fighting this fish, and I guess we
were the structure.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
After three hours of drifting over, they were swimming around.
And I tell you what, Doug, you couldn't. You couldn't.
You couldn't catch one with a cast net if you
wanted to. I mean, those things were so picky. We
threw the kitchen sink at him, We threw gotcha lures,
we threw everything.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We chummed.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
They weren't eating the chum and they were just swimming
around the boat.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, this sounds abit like they were almost in fight
or flight. They were in fight mode or flight mode,
scared of whatever ran them up under your boat. They
were yeah, they weren't hungry, they were scared of man.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
They weren't hungry man. But then you know, we moved.
Uh we we lost the fish after about a three
hour fight, which was heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
We moved in about ten miles.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
We found a bowie and they were all over it
and they were super hungry. But I think it's circumstantial,
you know, as far as as the dorado. But man,
trolling feather jibs has been huge. I actually caught the
biggest mahi of my life on a Ripolla diver trolling
a dive ever down a weed line.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And then we stuck about a twenty five pounder earlier
this uh this summer, which is a big, big tech
for us. And he ate a rig ballely who with
an islander skirt, and uh, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's I love.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I love trolling lures or using things that give us
the opportunity and potential to catch like more crazier fish.
So that's kind of what I transitioned into instead of
pulling up and sitecasting the small dolphin. It's like, man,
let's let's troll the bally who down here, and if
there's a sailfish.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We might call a selfish.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, it's honestly, it's so it's amazing to me that
and I'm glad you're having this experience because I started
doing this like fifty years ago and just crazy. You'd
never truly know what's gonna hit what rod whenever. If
you're dropping for for swordfish, that's a different game. But
if you're trolling that, no idea, what's gonna come up
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and eat.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
That bait man?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
That's exactly right. They're just swimming aking stuff out there
that anything will lead.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, I mean anything from a sailfish to a wahoo.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
If you're sicky, a line him, wahoo anything.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Hey, before we get to before, I got a couple
more minutes to hang on to you, and then I
know you got to go. Let's go back to terminal
tackle for a minute. You very casually mentioned haywire twists,
and there's a right way and the wrong way to
finish a haywire. Whether you either get a nice clean
break or that that you can run your fingers up
and down, or you got that little quarter inch needle
sticking out that you just.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Cut off, and yeah, it'll eat you up.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And I know we can't describe how to do it
right on the radio, there's not a chance. But people
need to look that up, don't they, to make it
just a lot easier to fish and a lot safer.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Absolutely, I love the safety aspect of it, because man,
that little quarter inch deal sticking out will slice your hands.
I know it's happened to you. It's happened to me
before we started doing it the right way. But you know,
just you know, to simply try to explain it, you
leave yourself enough tag in to be able to take
a pair of flyers and grab that haywire or your
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actual twist, and then you basically just take that tag
in and bend.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It all the way one way, all the way the other.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Way, and you're sitting up that wire so that it
cleanly breaks right there at the end of that twist.
And then just like you know you're saying you can,
you can grab it, you can slide it out of
your hand.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You don't have to worry about you know, it beating
you up too bad.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So you got an.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I use a I'm pretty standard guy, use a Uni
NOD or a fisherman's nod. I call it a fisherman's knot.
It's a cinch knot, and I use that for my
braid to uh floor carbing connection. And you know, uh,
I didn't talk about weight or anything on the snapper deal,
but real briefly, you know, it's kind of the same
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thing as when we're when we're trout fishing or jetty fishing.
You know, my rule of thumb is used as light
of weight as you can get away with with the current,
and some days that's three ounces an egg. Thinker, we're
using like one hundred and fifty one hundred and fifty
pounds liter when we're dropping down to the bottom for
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our snapper. It's excessive, but you never know, you might
catch amber jack, you might catch something crazy. So we
like to yeah, grouper, right, So your fishing structure, so
we use about three foot of one hundred and fifty pounds.
I use a size nine you know nine circle hooks,
big enough to catch just about anything down then really
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and and you know, like I said, there's days where
the current is super slow and you you.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Don't need a troll of motor.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You're sitting on the spot and you got thirty minutes
to fish it before you even drift off of it.
In those days, you know, drop down two ounces, three ounces,
that's the lightning dot.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
You get a big blast, did you?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Who Oh boy?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Okay, I'm gonna let you get to church Man where
you worked it. Maybe maybe that's your sign that it's
time for us.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
To give it up.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I don't know if you heard that, but.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I didn't hear it. But I'm glad you're saying. Thanks
for all your help, man, I really appreciate it. We
may do this again, all right, sharky mark, Yeah, outcasts
Fishing Charters dot Com.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
No g on the fishing. We got that right, right, good.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Sir, Sure, I thank thank you so much. Man, Sunday
you'll be safe.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You bet you too.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Audios?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
All right, I man I I could sit and talk
with him for a long long time about terminal stuff.
And and it's interesting about those dorato It really is,
because we used to find it and we were doing
the same thing he was doing before he decided to upgrade,
just like we did. It's exactly the same transformation. You
look at the bottom of the boat and there's twenty
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five of these little foot and a half long foot
long dorotto, and they're just basically blue marlin potato chips.
And you realize that there are some fifteen and twenty
pounders out there, and you get just where you don't
care about those little guys anymore, so you do exactly
what he did. You troll those weed lines very patiently,
because there are bigger fish underneath them. Every now and
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then the little ones will come running out and looking
at your lure and playing with it and asking if
it wants to play with them, and they're not really
trying to eat that, But then that big one comes
out and all the little ones go away,
All right, welcome back Dunflick Show, Sports Talk seven ninety
eight seventeen. I'm gonna get quickly to Michael Marquez aka Sharky.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What's going on? Sharky? There we go.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Now you're here. I'm trying to get in the boat
and I fell into water.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
So what's going on? We're good?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hey, Yeah, we're good now.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I appreciate your time. I know you got to get
to church, so don't worry about me holding on to you.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
To me deal man.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So if you if you're if you're getting a phone
call and the guy who's paying for the trip is
here's what I kind of want to do. If the
guy who's paying for the trip says, I want to
catch up whatever it is. What I want to know
is how you're rigging up? What rod you're carrying? And
maybe I think to make.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It easy, let's just start from the bottom and work
our way up.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So the guy says, man, I'd really like to catch
a bunch of red snapper for my family.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So what what rods you loading up for those?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Absolutely, man, So we really like you know, So depending
on what the what the angler preference is, if it's
a spinning combo set up. We're using like a pin
slammer sixty five hundred's sixty five pound.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Braid with like a.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Like a forty to sixty pound pin carnage rod or
like six and a half seven foot boat boat rods,
and that that that set up. What's great about that
and also the uh the open face that that we use,
which would be like a pin fathom forty ld compared
with a pin carnage rod sixty pound braid.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I mean, they're so interchangeable.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So yeah, we really like to use snap swivels you.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Know that way.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
We have some pre made leaders and it's something something
else swims up to the boat that's not a snapper.
You know, you can just interchange that out super quickly.
But that's kind of the combos that we use. We
you control with them, you can drop them to the bottom,
you could slow pitch jigum.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, those those we love.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
The pin uh pence atoms for the for the open face,
and the spin fisher slammers for the spinning reels are
are hard to be We even take them out there
and tune of fish with them those days.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Absolutely, it sounds to me like and I'm glad to
hear it.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
There are rods and real the combinations that you can
put together that really will serve more than one or
two purposes. Because man, twenty five thirty years ago, if
you were going to kind of catch this, you had
to have these rods. And if you were going to
catch that, you had to bring thirty rods on board, you.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Know, right, we did.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't know if we needed them, but we had them.
You know, you mentioned pre made leaders.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
How many leaders when you leave the doc, how many
snapper leaders, how many king macro leaders whatever are are
tied up and total stowed away somewhere.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, if I got you know, the idea is that
we make we try to at least make pretty quick
work out of this. And so you know, you might
get broke off by a shark eating a snapper or
an amber jack hitting it, you know, while you're reeling
in something small. So I like to have a backup.
So if I got six guys, I'm bringing you know,
ten twelve leaders, and that the idea is that that
(03:16):
should be more than enough to get our limit and
rock and roll onto something else. And so you know,
typically that's the that's the idea. And the premise is,
you know, if we're on a ten hour or twelve
hour trip, these guys there, they're excited to catch the
red snapper, but typically we catch the biggest ones we
(03:38):
can and then we move on and we have the
rest of the day to kind of play around out there,
you know, looking for weed lines or targeting different you know,
whatever's priority on their species list of kegs.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Back to the bottom shark you for just second. I
don't want to get too far ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So if a guys is.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I want to catch, I don't care if I catch,
if anybody else on the whole boat catches a snapper.
I want to see the biggest snapper on the bottom
where we stop.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
How are you gonna bait for that?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, So I mean the ultimate ultimate would be some
live bait, like stopping uh uh, you know, bringing some
piggy perch or throwing a piggy trap in.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Those those live baits work really well. But I'll tell
you another trick is we use like giant, giant palm
sized men Haden. Yeah, and those men Hayden, you can
literally like lay out in your palm and they're hanging
over you're hanging over both sides of your hand.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And saying and what they're big.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
And what I tell my people is, look, we're gonna
drop this thing down over this reef or over this structure,
and you're gonna get a lot of little nibbles. And
my thoughts are is that there's a lot of little
snappers that are coming up and kind of pecking at it.
And uh, I tell my folks, especially my my bass
guys or my fresh water guys, said, it's gonna take
everything in you not to set that hook.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But do not set that hook and wait for that
rock to double over.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And that's that big mama bear snapper coming in, pushing
the little guys out of the way, grabbing the bait
and driving straight and straight down with it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And so it'll go from those machine.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Gun hits, all of a sudden that rod doubles over,
and so big man Hayden, And you know what we
will use like super fresh, they're like Elix squid, they're
super you know, there's so many different types of squids,
but the really big, the big squid, whole squid, we're
never cutting them in chunks unless we're you know, bottom
(05:32):
fishing for over millions or different smaller snapper species, but
just big baits. You know, the fish are there. A
lot of times those big fish are there. There might
be you know, two hundred small snapper and five big one, right,
so you just putting the big enough bait down there
to be there long enough so that big snapper can
find it out. You know, can can can sniff it out.
(05:55):
And so that's been a key for us this season
and pulling big snapper. Just throw and dig big baits
down there, ignoring the nibbles and waiting for that months
to come up and smack it.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You know, what what do you what do you shift?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
What gear do you shift into? If the guy says, okay,
we got our snapper. I want to catch a big amberjack.
Do you first ask him if he's of sound mind
and body.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Typically the first question, you know, we're not in AJ season.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
But example was three days ago we.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Had somebody that wanted to catch an AJ and so,
you know, dropping a typically way you're snapper fishing, you
can look out and there's typically i mean if you're
over a reef or over a rig or something in
their snapper there there's typically bait fish there, you know,
that's why the snapper are there, right, so uh tying
on a subekie rig casting it out.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And really in some blue runners.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean, that would be the most efficient way catch
you some some live little blue runners or grunt fish
or whatever else. You know, anything that's twelve inches or under,
they're gonna they're gonna eat that and uh dropping that
sucker about halfway down in the water column. And for that,
you know, sometimes we do catch the big emerjet on
(07:11):
our on our snapper rods and it's just this crazy
fight and they'll lead our you know, big uh big
man Hagen.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You know, I was I was gonna ask you about
Sabeki riggs and whether you still drag them out there
and for that very purpose, and I'm glad you brought
it up and before I even talked about it, because
that was that's a game changer out there.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
It's not that hard to catch life if you've got
those with you.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Is it. Yeah, it's not. In a little tip is
we really like to use the uh when you're buying
a Subeki rigs, you know from Academy or whatever, order
one online. We really like the thirty pound or even
the best is like the forty pounds.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, mono. You know, you're just not.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Gonna have as many breakoffs because you'll be realing fish
in and they'll get they'll get a then you know,
you drop ten hooks down and you got three left
to drop with. So that forty pound is a little
bit more durable when you're dropping it down to the
bottom and trying to I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I don't think it costs you any bites on those
things either. Really, they're little tiny dressed hooks, and little
tiny fish are coming up and eating them and they're
not I don't think they're spooking off that line at all.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Almost. Yeah, I don't think so either.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
That forty pound is my favorite, you know, and sometimes
are real long. There's like fourteen hooks on there, and
it's yeah, yeah, I'll cut that thing down, you know,
cut halfway down it and I just need six or
seven hooks dropping to the bottom with.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
A little tear drop style weight.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And you know, the first introduction I ever got to
anything like that was when I was a little kid
fishing on the Deerfield Beach Fishing Pier in Florida at
my grandparent are close to my grandparents' house, and this
guy was there were big schools of pilchers moving up
and down the beach and whatnot. Oh yeah, and this
guy all he had was a little dropper rig that
he'd made at home. There were no subeakie rigs back
(09:06):
a million years ago, and just a little little gold
short shank like salmon egg hooks and then dropped about
six of those. And that's all it took. Man, just
that little sparkle in the water and they ate it up.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Buddy, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
All right, let's come up top a little bit. Let's
let's go king fishing. Now, what are we going to change?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, kingfishing. You know a couple of different methods and
ways to do it. I'm a real big fan of
slow trolling, so I'll use the Rapolla divers. Yeah, and
I'll do I'll do me like eighty six. I think
it's I think it comes in about eighty six or
somewhere around that eighty pound eighty three. It's it's just
(09:47):
a wire and we're using haywire twist yep. If you're
rocking with whether it's the spinning reel we talked about,
or the or the bait cast or reel man, you
snap sliplet you catch a snapper. That's what you've got
a two foot leter with with your eighty pound you know, haywire,
twist onto one of those ripola divers and you start
(10:09):
trolling that thing around the reef and over the top
of the reef or you know, whether it's behind trump
boats or over a reef system. And the great thing
is you can mark those kingfish. So say that I'm
pulling up to a new spot and I've never fished
it before, and I want to see if there's any
any structure down there or snapper.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Or bottom fishing.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I love to put out those divers, you know, quarter
mile away from it and just troll up and around
and over it while I'm running my DownScan and then bang,
I see my snapper down there. I hit the mark
button on my GPS. Maybe we catch some kingfish, maybe
we hooked into something crazy, but at least i'm kind
of I'm kind of multitasking. And then once we do that,
(10:55):
I can always come back around and drop on that structure.
And you know, and that with the currents and everything too. Uh,
you know, if you've got a strong current, uh, those
fish are typically off the back end of that refrastructure, you.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Know, on the down current side. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
And what you'll notice a lot of times is if
you pull up to a small spot, whether it's a
pipeline crossing or or say just a well head or
something that's small, you'll notice that those fish can be
can be it, you know, one hundred yards off of it?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Sometimes? Yeah? Easy?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And so yeah, you you want to troll, you want
to troll around it, or at least you know. I
always tell my my guys in my seminars and stuff
if I do a seminar, I say, look, when you're
trying to catch those a big snaper, A lot of
times we're dropping on the main area or what you
think is the main area, and we're drifting way off
of it. At least give it one good drift. You
(11:51):
might catch, you know, one hundred yards off of that thing.
You might catch a monster.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
No kid, because that monster is not going to hang
out with the little kids.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
A lot of times this is Grandpa on the couch
you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Man, let's take it.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Can you hang on through a quick break?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Okay, good, I got more questions.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
If anybody else has got a question, you want me
to ask Sharky shoot me an email or a text
or whatever, and I'll try to work it in if
you want to.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You take a couple of calls, Sharky. Maybe yeah, somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Somebody panicking and trying to man, I got a chance
to talk to this guy about offshore.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I love it. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We're gonna take a little break here, got Sharky Marquez
on the phone.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Lest see him back up.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
There we go, Hey, Sharky, thanks for hanging around, Mandy.
I got a question, you know, Guitar Dave, guitar Dave.
He wants to know about catching dorado, okay, And I
want to know because he asked me to ask you
if they have become if they've become smart enough in
(12:49):
their evolution over the last one hundred million years. If
you catch me, if you got one on the hook
and you leave him in the water, do they all
still hang around?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Are they that dumb still?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
You know? I would say a lot of the times,
the smaller ones are, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And I've been offshore fishing now, I've been.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Fishing for you know, professionally for twelve years that I've
been offshore only for about five. I think this is
my fifth or fifth year. Maybe it'll fifth or sixth years,
and crazy it used to be like that. What I
have noticed is I've also changed my fishing method for them.
So you know, back in the day, when I would
I'd say back in the day, say last summer, as
(13:31):
early as last summer, I'd see a weed line out there,
we would pull up, we would chum the weed line,
and then we would have a bunch of mahi swim out.
You know, we find the biggest chunk of weed we could,
or whatever's floating, and we'd have a bunch of mahi
swim out and we'd start throwing you know, free floating,
no way, just circle hooks, some floor carbon forty pounds liter,
(13:54):
little circle hook and we'd catch them. But what I've
done and transitioned into is if I've got a nice
stretch and a nice weed line or a rip current,
I've transitioned into trolling it, you know, user feather jigs.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, bigger fish, bigger fish. And it was great. We
made a lot of memories.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
We caught a ton of mahi doing the uh the
pitch lining. But but man, this summer, yeah, I said,
I got I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to
transition into chicken dolphins. From chicken dolphins to some bulls
and and bigger fish. And man, it's worked like a charm.
And so yeah, to answer your question, there's still there's
still a little silly out there. I feel like they've
(14:33):
gotten a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
We were Yeah, you would think we did our sword fishing.
Uh two three days ago we were out there hooked
up on a sword.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Fish and.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It was great. It was great.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
We were there, We were on it for about three hours.
After three hours, there was schooling mahi around the boat
while we were fighting this fish, and I guess we
were the structure.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
After three hours of drifting over, they were swimming around.
And I tell you what, Doug, you couldn't. You couldn't.
You couldn't catch one with a cast net if you
wanted to. I mean, those things were so picky. We
threw the kitchen sink at him, We threw gotcha lures,
we threw everything.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We chummed.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
They weren't eating the chum and they were just swimming
around the boat.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, this sounds abit like they were almost in fight
or flight. They were in fight mode or flight mode,
scared of whatever ran them up under your boat. They
were yeah, they weren't hungry, they were scared of man.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
They weren't hungry man. But then you know, we moved.
Uh we we lost the fish after about a three
hour fight, which was heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
We moved in about ten miles.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
We found a bowie and they were all over it
and they were super hungry. But I think it's circumstantial,
you know, as far as as the dorado. But man,
trolling feather jibs has been huge. I actually caught the
biggest mahi of my life on a Ripolla diver trolling
a dive ever down a weed line.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And then we stuck about a twenty five pounder earlier
this uh this summer, which is a big, big tech
for us. And he ate a rig ballely who with
an islander skirt, and uh, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's I love.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I love trolling lures or using things that give us
the opportunity and potential to catch like more crazier fish.
So that's kind of what I transitioned into instead of
pulling up and sitecasting the small dolphin. It's like, man,
let's let's troll the bally who down here, and if
there's a sailfish.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We might call a selfish.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, it's honestly, it's so it's amazing to me that
and I'm glad you're having this experience because I started
doing this like fifty years ago and just crazy. You'd
never truly know what's gonna hit what rod whenever. If
you're dropping for for swordfish, that's a different game. But
if you're trolling that, no idea, what's gonna come up
(17:00):
and eat.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
That bait man?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
That's exactly right. They're just swimming aking stuff out there
that anything will lead.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, I mean anything from a sailfish to a wahoo.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
If you're sicky, a line him, wahoo anything.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Hey, before we get to before, I got a couple
more minutes to hang on to you, and then I
know you got to go. Let's go back to terminal
tackle for a minute. You very casually mentioned haywire twists,
and there's a right way and the wrong way to
finish a haywire. Whether you either get a nice clean
break or that that you can run your fingers up
and down, or you got that little quarter inch needle
sticking out that you just.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Cut off, and yeah, it'll eat you up.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And I know we can't describe how to do it
right on the radio, there's not a chance. But people
need to look that up, don't they, to make it
just a lot easier to fish and a lot safer.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Absolutely, I love the safety aspect of it, because man,
that little quarter inch deal sticking out will slice your hands.
I know it's happened to you. It's happened to me
before we started doing it the right way. But you know,
just you know, to simply try to explain it, you
leave yourself enough tag in to be able to take
a pair of flyers and grab that haywire or your
(18:15):
actual twist, and then you basically just take that tag
in and bend.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It all the way one way, all the way the other.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Way, and you're sitting up that wire so that it
cleanly breaks right there at the end of that twist.
And then just like you know you're saying you can,
you can grab it, you can slide it out of
your hand.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You don't have to worry about you know, it beating
you up too bad.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So you got an.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I use a I'm pretty standard guy, use a Uni
NOD or a fisherman's nod. I call it a fisherman's knot.
It's a cinch knot, and I use that for my
braid to uh floor carbing connection. And you know, uh,
I didn't talk about weight or anything on the snapper deal,
but real briefly, you know, it's kind of the same
(19:02):
thing as when we're when we're trout fishing or jetty fishing.
You know, my rule of thumb is used as light
of weight as you can get away with with the current,
and some days that's three ounces an egg. Thinker, we're
using like one hundred and fifty one hundred and fifty
pounds liter when we're dropping down to the bottom for
(19:22):
our snapper. It's excessive, but you never know, you might
catch amber jack, you might catch something crazy. So we
like to yeah, grouper, right, So your fishing structure, so
we use about three foot of one hundred and fifty pounds.
I use a size nine you know nine circle hooks,
big enough to catch just about anything down then really
(19:43):
and and you know, like I said, there's days where
the current is super slow and you you.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Don't need a troll of motor.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You're sitting on the spot and you got thirty minutes
to fish it before you even drift off of it.
In those days, you know, drop down two ounces, three ounces,
that's the lightning dot.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
You get a big blast, did you?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Who Oh boy?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Okay, I'm gonna let you get to church Man where
you worked it. Maybe maybe that's your sign that it's
time for us.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
To give it up.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I don't know if you heard that, but.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I didn't hear it. But I'm glad you're saying. Thanks
for all your help, man, I really appreciate it. We
may do this again, all right, sharky mark, Yeah, outcasts
Fishing Charters dot Com.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
No g on the fishing. We got that right, right, good.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Sir, Sure, I thank thank you so much. Man, Sunday
you'll be safe.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You bet you too.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Audios?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
All right, I man I I could sit and talk
with him for a long long time about terminal stuff.
And and it's interesting about those dorato It really is,
because we used to find it and we were doing
the same thing he was doing before he decided to upgrade,
just like we did. It's exactly the same transformation. You
look at the bottom of the boat and there's twenty
(20:56):
five of these little foot and a half long foot
long dorotto, and they're just basically blue marlin potato chips.
And you realize that there are some fifteen and twenty
pounders out there, and you get just where you don't
care about those little guys anymore, so you do exactly
what he did. You troll those weed lines very patiently,
because there are bigger fish underneath them. Every now and
(21:19):
then the little ones will come running out and looking
at your lure and playing with it and asking if
it wants to play with them, and they're not really
trying to eat that, But then that big one comes
out and all the little ones go away,
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