Replayed on September 7th, 2025. Doug's insightful interview with Michael "Sharky" Marquez, for your listening pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, welcome back Don Black Show Sports Talk seven ninety.
I'm gonna get quickly to Michael Marquez aka Sharky. What's
going on, Sharky? Uh oh, we got that whole fan
of the phone thing again. Hit it, hit it. There
we go. Now you're here. I try to get in
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the boat and I fell into water. So what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, we're good now.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I appreciate your time. I know you got to get
to church, so don't worry about me holding on to you.
To me, man, So if you're if you're getting a
phone call and the guy who's paying for the trip
is here's what I kind of want to do. If
the guy who's paying for the trip says, I want
to catch up whatever it is, what I want to
know is how you're rigging up what roger're carrying? And
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maybe I think to make it easy, let's just start
from the bottom and work our way up. Okay. So
the guy says, man, I'd really like to catch a
bunch of snapper for my family. So what what rod
you're loading up for those?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Absolutely, man, So we really like, you know, depending on
what the what the angler preference is, if it's a
spinning combo set up. We're using like a pin slammer
sixty five hundred's sixty five pound braid with like a
like a forty to sixty pound pin carnage rod or
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like six and a half seven foot boat boat rods,
and that that that set up was great about that
and also the uh the open face that that we use,
which would be like a pin fathom forty ld compared
with a pin carnage rod sixty pound braid. I mean,
they're so interchangeable. So yeah, we really like to use
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snap swivels you know. That way we have some pre
made leaders and if something something else swims up to
the boat that's not a snapper, you know, you can
just interchange that out super quickly. But that's kind of
the combos that we years. You control with them, you
can drop them to the bottom, you could slow pitch jigam. Yeah,
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those those uh we're we love the pin uh pin
fathoms for the for the open face and the spin.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Fisher slammers for the spinning.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Reels are are hard to be We even take them
out there and tune of fish with them those days.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Absolutely, it sounds to me like and I'm glad to
hear it. There are rods and real the combinations that
you can put together that really will serve more than
one or two purposes. Because man, twenty five thirty years ago,
if you were going to catch this, you had to
have these rods. And if you were going to catch that,
you had to bring thirty rods on board, you know, right,
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we did. I don't know if we needed them, but
we had them. You know, let's go why you mentioned
pre mad leaders. How many leaders when you leave the doc,
how many snapper leaders, how many king macro leaders whatever
are are tied up and total total you somewhere.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, if I've got you know, the ideas that we make,
we try to at least make pretty quick work.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Out of the snapper.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And so you know, you might get broke off by
a shark eating a snapper or an amber jack hitting it,
you know, while you're reeling in something small. So I
like to have a backup. So if I got six guys,
I'm bringing you know, ten twelve leaders, and that the
idea is that that should be more than enough to
get our limit and rock and roll onto something else.
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And so you know, typically that's the that's the idea.
And the premise is, you know, if we're on a
ten hour or twelve hour trip, these guys they're sited
to catch the red snapper. But typically we catch the
biggest ones we can and then we move on and
we have the rest of the day to kind of
play around out there, you know, looking for weed lines
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or targeting different you know, whatever's priority on their species
list of kegs.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Back to the bottom shark for just second. Meant I
don't want to get too bad ahead. So if a
guys is I want to catch, I don't care if
I catch, if anybody else on the whole boat catches
a snapper. I want to see the biggest snapper on
the bottom where we stop. How are you gonna bait
for that?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah? Yeah, So I mean the ultimate ultimate would be
some live bait, like stopping uh uh, you know, bringing
some piggy perch or throwing a piggy trap in. Uh.
Those those live baits work really well. But I'll tell
you another trick is we use like giant, giant palm
sized men Haden. Yeah, and those men Hayden you can
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literally like lay out in your palm and they're hanging over.
You're hanging over both sides of your hand and saying
and what they're big. And what I tell my people is, look,
we're gonna drop this thing down over this reef or
over this structure, and you're gonna get a lot of
little nibbles.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And my thoughts are.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Is that there's a lot of little snappers that are
coming up and kind of pecking at it. And uh,
I tell my folks, especially my my bass guys or
my fresh water guys, said, it's gonna take everything in
you not to set that hook. But do not set
that hook and wait for that rod to double over.
And that's that big mama bear snapper coming in, pushing
the little guys out of the way, grabbing the bait
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and driving straight and straight down with it. And so
it'll go from those machine gun hits. All of a
sudden that rod doubles over, and so big man Hayden,
And you know what we will use like super fresh there,
like Elix squid, they're super you know, there's so many
different types of squids, but the really big, the big squid,
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whole squid, we're never cutting them in chunks unless we're
you know, bottom fishing for over millions or different smaller
snapper species, but just big baits. You know, the fish
are there. A lot of times those big fish are there.
There might be you know, two hundred small snapper and
five big one, right, so you just putting the big
enough bait down there to be there long enough so
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that big snapper can find it out, you know, can
can sniff it out. And so that's been a key
for us this season and pulling big snapper.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Just throwing big, big baits.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Down there, ignoring the nibbles and waiting for that months
so to come up and smack it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You know, what what do you what do you shift?
What gear do you shift into? If the guy says, okay,
we got our snapper, I want to catch a big amberjack,
do you first ask him if he's of sound mind
and body.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Typically the first question. You know, we had somebody that
wanted to catch an a j and so you know,
dropping a typically why you're snapper fishing. You can look
out and there's typically i mean if you're over a
reef or over a rig or something in their snapper there,
there's typically bait fish there. You know, that's why the
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snapper are there, right, So tying on a Subeki rig
casting it out and reeling in some blue runners. I
mean that would be the most efficient way catch you
some some live little blue runner or grunt fish or
whatever else. You know, anything that's twelve inches or under,
they're gonna they're gonna eat that and uh dropping that
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sucker about halfway down in the water column. And for that,
you know, sometimes we do catch the big emerjet on
our on our snapper rods and it's just this crazy
fight and they'll lead our you know, big uh big
man Hagen.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know, I was I was gonna ask you about
Sabeki riggs and whether you still drag them out there
and for that very purpose, And I'm glad you brought
it up and before I even talked about it, because
that was that's a game changer out there. It's not
that hard to catch life if you've got those with you,
is it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
In a little tip is we really like to use
the uh when you're buying a Subeki rigs, you know
from Academy or whatever, order one online. We really like
the thirty pound or even the best is like the
forty pounds. Yeah, Mono, you know you're just not gonna
have as many breakoff because you'll be realing fish in
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and they'll get they'll get eight and then you know,
you drop ten hooks down and you got three left
to drop with. So that forty pound is a little
bit more durable when you're dropping it down to the
bottom and trying to I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I don't think it costs you any bites on those
things either. Really, they're little tiny dressed hooks, and little
tiny fish are coming up and eating them, and they're
not I don't think they're spooking off that line at all. Almost.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, I don't think so either.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
That forty pound is my favorite, you know. And sometimes
they're real long. There's like fourteen hooks on there, and
it's hard. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I'll cut.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
That thing down, you know, cut halfway down it and
I just need six or seven hooks dropping to the
bottom with a little tear drop style weight.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And you know, the first introduction I ever got to
anything like that was when I was a little kid
fishing on the Deerfield Beach Fishing Pier in Florida at
my grandpa you posted my grandparents house, and this guy
was there were big schools of pilchers moving up and
down the beach and whatnot. Oh yeah, and this guy
all he had was a little dropper rig that he'd
made at home. There were no subeakie rigs back a
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million years ago, and just a little little gold short
shank like salmon egg hooks and then drop you about
six of those and that's all it took. Man, just
that little sparkle in the water and they ate it up. Buddy,
that's crazy. All right, let's come up top a little bit.
Let's let's go king fishing. Now, what are we going
to change?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, kingfishing. You know a couple of different methods and
ways to do it. I'm a real big fan of
slow trolling, so I'll use the Rapolla divers.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, and I'll do I'll do me like eighty six.
I think it's I think it comes in.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
About eighty six or somewhere around that eighty pound eighty three.
It's it's just a wire and we're using haywire twists.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
If you're rocking with whether it's the spinning reel we
talked about, or the or the bake cast, a real man,
you snap sliplet you catch a snapper guess what You've
got a two foot leater with with your eighty pound
you know, haywire, twist onto one of those ripola divers
and you start trolling that thing around the reef and
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over the top of the reef or you know, whether
it's behind trimp boats or over a reef system. And
the great thing is you can mark those kingfish. So
say that I'm pulling up to a new spot and
I've never fished it before, and I want to see
if there's any any structure down there or snapper or
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bottom fishing. I love to put out those divers, you know,
quarter mile away from it and just troll up and
around and over it while I'm running my DownScan and
then bang, I see my snapper down there. I hit
the mark button on my GPS. Maybe we catch some kingfish,
maybe we hooked into something crazy, but at least I'm
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kind of I'm kind of multitasking. And then once we
do that, I can always come back around and drop
on that structure. And you know, and that with the
currents and everything too. Uh, you know, if you've got
a strong current, Uh, those fish are typically off the
back end of that refrastructure, you know, on the down
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current side. And what you'll notice a lot of times
is if you pull up to a small spot, whether
it's a pipeline crossing or or say just a well
head or something that's small, you'll notice that those fish
can be can be you know, one hundred yards off
of it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, easy and.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So yeah, you you want to troll, you want to
troll around it, or at least you know. I always
tell my my guys in my seminars and stuff. If
I do a seminar, I say, look, when you're trying
to catch those big snapper, A lot of times we're
dropping on the main area or what you think is
the main area, and we're drifting way.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Off of it.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
At least give it one good drift. You might catch,
you know, one hundred yards off of that thing. You
might catch a monster.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Kid, because that monster is not going to hang out
with the little kids.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, a lot of the times they don't.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
This is grandpa on the couch you're looking for. Man,
let's take that. Can you hang on through a quick break?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Okay, good, I got more questions. If anybody else has
got a question you want me to ask, Sharky, shoot
me an email or a text or whatever, and I'll
try to work it in if you want to. You
take a couple of calls, Sharky. Maybe yeah, for somebody
somebody panicking and trying to Man, I got a chance
to talk to this guy about off shore. I love it.
We'll see what happens. We're gonna take a little break here.
Doug Pike Show on Sports Talk seven ninety. Thanks for listening, certainly,
(12:32):
do appreciate it. Got Sharky Marquez on the phone list.
See him back up there we go, Hey, Sharky, thanks
for hanging around.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Mandy.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I got a question, you know, guitar Dave geitar Dave.
He wants to know about catching dorado, okay, And I
want to know because he asked me to ask you
if they have become if they've become smart enough in
their evolution, should over the last one hundred million years
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if you catch me, if you got one on the
hook and you leave him in the water, do they
all still hang around? Are they that dumb still?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I would say a lot of the times, the smaller
ones are, you know. And I've been offshore fishing now,
I've been fishing for you know, professionally for twelve years.
I've been offshore only for about five I think this
is my fifth or fifth year, maybe fifth or six years,
and crazy it used to be like that. What I
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have noticed is I've also changed my fishing method for them.
So you know, back in the day, when I would
I'd say back in the day, say last summer, as
early as last summer, I'd see a weed line out there,
we would pull up, we would chum the weed line,
and then we would have a bunch of mahi swim out.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You know, we'd find the.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Biggest chunk of weed we could or whatever's floating, and
we'd have a bunch of mahi swim out and we'd
start throwing, you know, free floating away, just circle hooks,
some floor carbon, forty pounds leter, little circle hook and
we'd catch them. But what I've done and transitioned into
is if I've got a nice stretch and a nice
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weed line or a rip current, I've transitioned into trolling.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, you know user feather jigs.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, bigger fish, bigger fish.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And it was great.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
We made a lot of memories. We caught a ton
of mind he doing the uh, the pitch lining. But
but man this summer. Yeah, I said, I got I'm
gonna try to I'm gonna try to transition into chicken dolphins.
From chicken dolphins to some bulls and and bigger fish,
and man, it's worked like a charm. And so yeah,
to answer your question, there's still there's still a little
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silly out there. I feel like they've gotten a little
bit more.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
We were Yeah, you would think we did our sword
fishing days ago. We were out there hooked up on
a sword.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Fish and.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
It was great.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
We were there, we were on it for about three hours.
After three hours, there was schooling mahi around the boat
while we were fighting this fish. And I guess we
were the structure, you know, three hours of drifting over.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
They were swimming around. And I tell you what, Doug,
you couldn't. You couldn't.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You couldn't catch one with a cast net if you
wanted to. I mean, those things were so picky. We
threw the kitchen sink at him. We threw gotcha leures,
we threw everything.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
We chummed.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
They weren't eating the chum and they were just swimming
around the boat.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, this sounds about like they were almost in fight
or flight. They were in fight mode or flight mode,
scared whatever ran them up under your boat. They were yeah,
they weren't hungry. They were scared of man.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
They weren't hungry man.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But then you know, we moved.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Uh we we lost the fish after about a three
hour fight, which was heartbreaking. We moved in about ten miles.
We found a booie and they were all over it
and they were super hungry. But I think it's circumstantial,
you know, as far as as a dorado. But man,
trolling feather jigs has been huge. I actually taught the
biggest mahi of my life on a Ripolla diver trolling
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a diver down a weed line.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And then we stuck about a twenty five pounder earlier
this uh this summer, which was a big.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Big text for us.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
And he ate a rig ballely who with an islander skirt,
and uh, you know, I mean that's I love. I
love trolling lures or using things that give us the
opportunity and potential to catch like more crazier fish. So
that's kind of what I transitioned into instead of pulling
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up and sitecasting the small dolphin. It's like man let's
let's troll the ballet who down here, and if there's
a sailfish, we might call a selfish.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, it's honest. It's so it's amazing to me that
And I'm glad you're having this experience because I started
doing this like fifty years ago and just crazy. You'd
never truly know what's gonna hit what rod whenever. If
you're dropping for swordfish, that's a different game. But if
you're trolling, you got no idea what's going to come
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up and eat that bait man.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
They're just swimming stuff out there that anything will lead.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, I mean anything from a.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Sailfish to a wahoo.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
If you're sick, line him wahoo.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Anything before we get to before I got a couple
of more minutes to hang on to you, and then
I know you got to go. Let's go back to
terminal tackle for a minute. You very casually mentioned haywire twists,
and there's a right way and the wrong way to
finish a haywire. Whether you either get a nice clean
break or that that you can run your fingers up
and down, or you got that little quarter inch needle
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sticking out that you just cut off and yeah, it'll
eat you up. And I know we can't describe how
to do it right on the radio, there's not a chance.
But people need to look that up, don't they, to
make it just a lot easier to fish and lots.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah. Absolutely, Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I love the safety aspect of it, because man, that
little quarter inch deal sticken out will slice your hands.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I know it's happened to you.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It's happened to me before we started doing it the
right way. But you know, just you know, to simply
try to explain it, you leave yourself enough tag in
to be able to take a pair of flyers and
grab that haywire or your actual twist, and then you
basically just take that tag in and bend it all
the way one way, all the way the other way,
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and you're sitting up that wire so that it cleanly
breaks right there at the end of that twist.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
And then just like you know you're saying you.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Can, you can grab it, you can slide it out
of your hand. You don't have to worry about you know,
it beating you up too bad.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So you got any favorite knots.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I use a I'm pretty standard guy, use a UNI
nod or a fisherman's nod. I call it a fisherman's knot.
It's a cinchnot, and I use that for my braid
to floor carbon connection. And you know, I didn't talk
about weight or anything on the snapper deal, but real briefly,
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you know, it's kind of the same thing as when
we're when we're trout.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Fishing or jetti fishing.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know, my rule of thumb is used as light
of weight as you can get away with with the current,
and some days that's three ounces an egg. Thinker, we're
using like one hundred and fifty one hundred and fifty
pounds liter when we're dropping down to the bottom for
our snapper. It's excessive, but you never know, you might
catch an amber jack, you might catch something crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So we like to, yeah, grouper, right.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So your fishing structure, so we use about three foot
of one hundred and fifty pounds. I use a size
nine you know nine circle hooks, big enough to catch
just about anything down there really, And and you know,
like I said, there's days where the current is super
slow and you're you don't need to troll the motor,
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you're sitting on the spot and you got thirty minutes
to fish it before you even drift off of it.
In those days, you know, drop down two ounces, three ounces?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh that's the lightning. But you get a big blast,
did you?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Who Oh boy?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Okay, I'm gonna let you get to church man, where
you can work it. Maybe maybe that's your sign that
it's time for us and give it up. I know
if you heard that, but I didn't hear it. But
I'm glad you're safe. Thanks for all your helm man,
I really appreciate it. We may do this again, all right,
shark Yeah, Outcast Fishing Charters dot Com. No g on
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the fishing. We got that right, right, good sir?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Sure, I thank thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Man, great Sunday.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I'll be safe.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You bet you too. Audios. All right, there you go.
We gotta take another break, I man, I. I could
sit and talk with him for a long long time
about terminal stuff. And and it's interesting about those dorato
It really is, because we used to find it and
we were doing the same thing he was doing before
he decided to upgrade, just like we did. It's exactly
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the same transformation. You look at the bottom of the
boat and there's twenty five of these little foot and
a half long foot long doroto and they're just basically
blue marlin potato chips. And you realize that there are
some fifteen and twenty pounders out there, and you get
just where you don't care about those little guys anymore.
So you do exactly what he did. You troll those
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weed lines very patiently because there are bigger fish underneath them.
Every now and then the little ones will come running
out and looking at your lure and playing with it
and asking if it wants to play with them, and
they're not really trying to eat that. But then that
big one comes out and all the little ones go away,
and I've got to I'll tell you what. I've got
a red snapper trick that it was talked to me.
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If you listen long enough, you've probably heard it. But
I'm gonna share it with you when I get back.
And this will absolutely get rid of those little bitty
snapper around there and make sure the giant, the one
super giant, has a chance to get to that bait.
All right, welcome back Don Black Show Sports Talk seven ninety.
I'm gonna get quickly to Michael Marquez aka Sharky. What's
going on, Sharky? Uh oh, we got that whole fan
of the phone thing again. Hit it, hit it. There
we go. Now you're here. I try to get in
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the boat and I fell into water. So what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, we're good now.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I appreciate your time. I know you got to get
to church, so don't worry about me holding on to you.
To me, man, So if you're if you're getting a
phone call and the guy who's paying for the trip
is here's what I kind of want to do. If
the guy who's paying for the trip says, I want
to catch up whatever it is, what I want to
know is how you're rigging up what roger're carrying? And
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maybe I think to make it easy, let's just start
from the bottom and work our way up. Okay. So
the guy says, man, I'd really like to catch a
bunch of snapper for my family. So what what rod
you're loading up for those?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Absolutely, man, So we really like, you know, depending on
what the what the angler preference is, if it's a
spinning combo set up. We're using like a pin slammer
sixty five hundred's sixty five pound braid with like a
like a forty to sixty pound pin carnage rod or
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like six and a half seven foot boat boat rods,
and that that that set up was great about that
and also the uh the open face that that we use,
which would be like a pin fathom forty ld compared
with a pin carnage rod sixty pound braid. I mean,
they're so interchangeable. So yeah, we really like to use
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snap swivels you know. That way we have some pre
made leaders and if something something else swims up to
the boat that's not a snapper, you know, you can
just interchange that out super quickly. But that's kind of
the combos that we years. You control with them, you
can drop them to the bottom, you could slow pitch jigam. Yeah,
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those those uh we're we love the pin uh pin
fathoms for the for the open face and the spin.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Fisher slammers for the spinning.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Reels are are hard to be We even take them
out there and tune of fish with them those days.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Absolutely, it sounds to me like and I'm glad to
hear it. There are rods and real the combinations that
you can put together that really will serve more than
one or two purposes. Because man, twenty five thirty years ago,
if you were going to catch this, you had to
have these rods. And if you were going to catch that,
you had to bring thirty rods on board, you know, right,
(02:41):
we did. I don't know if we needed them, but
we had them. You know, let's go why you mentioned
pre mad leaders. How many leaders when you leave the doc,
how many snapper leaders, how many king macro leaders whatever
are are tied up and total total you somewhere.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, if I've got you know, the ideas that we make,
we try to at least make pretty quick work.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Out of the snapper.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And so you know, you might get broke off by
a shark eating a snapper or an amber jack hitting it,
you know, while you're reeling in something small. So I
like to have a backup. So if I got six guys,
I'm bringing you know, ten twelve leaders, and that the
idea is that that should be more than enough to
get our limit and rock and roll onto something else.
(03:30):
And so you know, typically that's the that's the idea.
And the premise is, you know, if we're on a
ten hour or twelve hour trip, these guys they're sited
to catch the red snapper. But typically we catch the
biggest ones we can and then we move on and
we have the rest of the day to kind of
play around out there, you know, looking for weed lines
(03:51):
or targeting different you know, whatever's priority on their species
list of kegs.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Back to the bottom shark for just second. Meant I
don't want to get too bad ahead. So if a
guys is I want to catch, I don't care if
I catch, if anybody else on the whole boat catches
a snapper. I want to see the biggest snapper on
the bottom where we stop. How are you gonna bait
for that?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah? Yeah, So I mean the ultimate ultimate would be
some live bait, like stopping uh uh, you know, bringing
some piggy perch or throwing a piggy trap in. Uh.
Those those live baits work really well. But I'll tell
you another trick is we use like giant, giant palm
sized men Haden. Yeah, and those men Hayden you can
(04:36):
literally like lay out in your palm and they're hanging over.
You're hanging over both sides of your hand and saying
and what they're big. And what I tell my people is, look,
we're gonna drop this thing down over this reef or
over this structure, and you're gonna get a lot of
little nibbles.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And my thoughts are.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Is that there's a lot of little snappers that are
coming up and kind of pecking at it. And uh,
I tell my folks, especially my my bass guys or
my fresh water guys, said, it's gonna take everything in
you not to set that hook. But do not set
that hook and wait for that rod to double over.
And that's that big mama bear snapper coming in, pushing
the little guys out of the way, grabbing the bait
(05:14):
and driving straight and straight down with it. And so
it'll go from those machine gun hits. All of a
sudden that rod doubles over, and so big man Hayden,
And you know what we will use like super fresh there,
like Elix squid, they're super you know, there's so many
different types of squids, but the really big, the big squid,
(05:35):
whole squid, we're never cutting them in chunks unless we're
you know, bottom fishing for over millions or different smaller
snapper species, but just big baits. You know, the fish
are there. A lot of times those big fish are there.
There might be you know, two hundred small snapper and
five big one, right, so you just putting the big
enough bait down there to be there long enough so
(05:58):
that big snapper can find it out, you know, can
can sniff it out. And so that's been a key
for us this season and pulling big snapper.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Just throwing big, big baits.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Down there, ignoring the nibbles and waiting for that months
so to come up and smack it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You know, what what do you what do you shift?
What gear do you shift into? If the guy says, okay,
we got our snapper, I want to catch a big amberjack,
do you first ask him if he's of sound mind
and body.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Typically the first question. You know, we had somebody that
wanted to catch an a j and so you know,
dropping a typically why you're snapper fishing. You can look
out and there's typically i mean if you're over a
reef or over a rig or something in their snapper there,
there's typically bait fish there. You know, that's why the
(06:46):
snapper are there, right, So tying on a Subeki rig
casting it out and reeling in some blue runners. I
mean that would be the most efficient way catch you
some some live little blue runner or grunt fish or
whatever else. You know, anything that's twelve inches or under,
they're gonna they're gonna eat that and uh dropping that
(07:10):
sucker about halfway down in the water column. And for that,
you know, sometimes we do catch the big emerjet on
our on our snapper rods and it's just this crazy
fight and they'll lead our you know, big uh big
man Hagen.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know, I was I was gonna ask you about
Sabeki riggs and whether you still drag them out there
and for that very purpose, And I'm glad you brought
it up and before I even talked about it, because
that was that's a game changer out there. It's not
that hard to catch life if you've got those with you,
is it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
In a little tip is we really like to use
the uh when you're buying a Subeki rigs, you know
from Academy or whatever, order one online. We really like
the thirty pound or even the best is like the
forty pounds. Yeah, Mono, you know you're just not gonna
have as many breakoff because you'll be realing fish in
(08:02):
and they'll get they'll get eight and then you know,
you drop ten hooks down and you got three left
to drop with. So that forty pound is a little
bit more durable when you're dropping it down to the
bottom and trying to I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I don't think it costs you any bites on those
things either. Really, they're little tiny dressed hooks, and little
tiny fish are coming up and eating them, and they're
not I don't think they're spooking off that line at all. Almost.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, I don't think so either.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
That forty pound is my favorite, you know. And sometimes
they're real long. There's like fourteen hooks on there, and
it's hard. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I'll cut.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
That thing down, you know, cut halfway down it and
I just need six or seven hooks dropping to the
bottom with a little tear drop style weight.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And you know, the first introduction I ever got to
anything like that was when I was a little kid
fishing on the Deerfield Beach Fishing Pier in Florida at
my grandpa you posted my grandparents house, and this guy
was there were big schools of pilchers moving up and
down the beach and whatnot. Oh yeah, and this guy
all he had was a little dropper rig that he'd
made at home. There were no subeakie rigs back a
(09:11):
million years ago, and just a little little gold short
shank like salmon egg hooks and then drop you about
six of those and that's all it took. Man, just
that little sparkle in the water and they ate it up. Buddy,
that's crazy. All right, let's come up top a little bit.
Let's let's go king fishing. Now, what are we going
to change?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, kingfishing. You know a couple of different methods and
ways to do it. I'm a real big fan of
slow trolling, so I'll use the Rapolla divers.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, and I'll do I'll do me like eighty six.
I think it's I think it comes in.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
About eighty six or somewhere around that eighty pound eighty three.
It's it's just a wire and we're using haywire twists.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
If you're rocking with whether it's the spinning reel we
talked about, or the or the bake cast, a real man,
you snap sliplet you catch a snapper guess what You've
got a two foot leater with with your eighty pound
you know, haywire, twist onto one of those ripola divers
and you start trolling that thing around the reef and
(10:15):
over the top of the reef or you know, whether
it's behind trimp boats or over a reef system. And
the great thing is you can mark those kingfish. So
say that I'm pulling up to a new spot and
I've never fished it before, and I want to see
if there's any any structure down there or snapper or
(10:36):
bottom fishing. I love to put out those divers, you know,
quarter mile away from it and just troll up and
around and over it while I'm running my DownScan and
then bang, I see my snapper down there. I hit
the mark button on my GPS. Maybe we catch some kingfish,
maybe we hooked into something crazy, but at least I'm
(10:56):
kind of I'm kind of multitasking. And then once we
do that, I can always come back around and drop
on that structure. And you know, and that with the
currents and everything too. Uh, you know, if you've got
a strong current, Uh, those fish are typically off the
back end of that refrastructure, you know, on the down
(11:18):
current side. And what you'll notice a lot of times
is if you pull up to a small spot, whether
it's a pipeline crossing or or say just a well
head or something that's small, you'll notice that those fish
can be can be you know, one hundred yards off
of it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, easy and.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So yeah, you you want to troll, you want to
troll around it, or at least you know. I always
tell my my guys in my seminars and stuff. If
I do a seminar, I say, look, when you're trying
to catch those big snapper, A lot of times we're
dropping on the main area or what you think is
the main area, and we're drifting way.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Off of it.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
At least give it one good drift. You might catch,
you know, one hundred yards off of that thing. You
might catch a monster.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Kid, because that monster is not going to hang out
with the little kids.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, a lot of the times they don't.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
This is grandpa on the couch you're looking for. Man,
let's take that. Can you hang on through a quick break?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Okay, good, I got more questions. If anybody else has
got a question you want me to ask, Sharky, shoot
me an email or a text or whatever, and I'll
try to work it in if you want to. You
take a couple of calls, Sharky. Maybe yeah, for somebody
somebody panicking and trying to Man, I got a chance
to talk to this guy about off shore. I love it.
We'll see what happens. We're gonna take a little break here.
Doug Pike Show on Sports Talk seven ninety. Thanks for listening, certainly,
(12:32):
do appreciate it. Got Sharky Marquez on the phone list.
See him back up there we go, Hey, Sharky, thanks
for hanging around.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Mandy.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I got a question, you know, guitar Dave geitar Dave.
He wants to know about catching dorado, okay, And I
want to know because he asked me to ask you
if they have become if they've become smart enough in
their evolution, should over the last one hundred million years
(13:03):
if you catch me, if you got one on the
hook and you leave him in the water, do they
all still hang around? Are they that dumb still?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I would say a lot of the times, the smaller
ones are, you know. And I've been offshore fishing now,
I've been fishing for you know, professionally for twelve years.
I've been offshore only for about five I think this
is my fifth or fifth year, maybe fifth or six years,
and crazy it used to be like that. What I
(13:31):
have noticed is I've also changed my fishing method for them.
So you know, back in the day, when I would
I'd say back in the day, say last summer, as
early as last summer, I'd see a weed line out there,
we would pull up, we would chum the weed line,
and then we would have a bunch of mahi swim out.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You know, we'd find the.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Biggest chunk of weed we could or whatever's floating, and
we'd have a bunch of mahi swim out and we'd
start throwing, you know, free floating away, just circle hooks,
some floor carbon, forty pounds leter, little circle hook and
we'd catch them. But what I've done and transitioned into
is if I've got a nice stretch and a nice
(14:12):
weed line or a rip current, I've transitioned into trolling.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, you know user feather jigs.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, bigger fish, bigger fish.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And it was great.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
We made a lot of memories. We caught a ton
of mind he doing the uh, the pitch lining. But
but man this summer. Yeah, I said, I got I'm
gonna try to I'm gonna try to transition into chicken dolphins.
From chicken dolphins to some bulls and and bigger fish,
and man, it's worked like a charm. And so yeah,
to answer your question, there's still there's still a little
(14:42):
silly out there. I feel like they've gotten a little
bit more.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
We were Yeah, you would think we did our sword
fishing days ago. We were out there hooked up on
a sword.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Fish and.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
It was great.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
We were there, we were on it for about three hours.
After three hours, there was schooling mahi around the boat
while we were fighting this fish. And I guess we
were the structure, you know, three hours of drifting over.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
They were swimming around. And I tell you what, Doug,
you couldn't. You couldn't.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You couldn't catch one with a cast net if you
wanted to. I mean, those things were so picky. We
threw the kitchen sink at him. We threw gotcha leures,
we threw everything.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
We chummed.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
They weren't eating the chum and they were just swimming
around the boat.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, this sounds about like they were almost in fight
or flight. They were in fight mode or flight mode,
scared whatever ran them up under your boat. They were yeah,
they weren't hungry. They were scared of man.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
They weren't hungry man.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But then you know, we moved.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Uh we we lost the fish after about a three
hour fight, which was heartbreaking. We moved in about ten miles.
We found a booie and they were all over it
and they were super hungry. But I think it's circumstantial,
you know, as far as as a dorado. But man,
trolling feather jigs has been huge. I actually taught the
biggest mahi of my life on a Ripolla diver trolling
(16:09):
a diver down a weed line.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And then we stuck about a twenty five pounder earlier
this uh this summer, which was a big.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Big text for us.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
And he ate a rig ballely who with an islander skirt,
and uh, you know, I mean that's I love. I
love trolling lures or using things that give us the
opportunity and potential to catch like more crazier fish. So
that's kind of what I transitioned into instead of pulling
(16:39):
up and sitecasting the small dolphin. It's like man let's
let's troll the ballet who down here, and if there's
a sailfish, we might call a selfish.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, it's honest. It's so it's amazing to me that
And I'm glad you're having this experience because I started
doing this like fifty years ago and just crazy. You'd
never truly know what's gonna hit what rod whenever. If
you're dropping for swordfish, that's a different game. But if
you're trolling, you got no idea what's going to come
(17:09):
up and eat that bait man.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
They're just swimming stuff out there that anything will lead.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, I mean anything from a.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Sailfish to a wahoo.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
If you're sick, line him wahoo.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Anything before we get to before I got a couple
of more minutes to hang on to you, and then
I know you got to go. Let's go back to
terminal tackle for a minute. You very casually mentioned haywire twists,
and there's a right way and the wrong way to
finish a haywire. Whether you either get a nice clean
break or that that you can run your fingers up
and down, or you got that little quarter inch needle
(17:44):
sticking out that you just cut off and yeah, it'll
eat you up. And I know we can't describe how
to do it right on the radio, there's not a chance.
But people need to look that up, don't they, to
make it just a lot easier to fish and lots.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah. Absolutely, Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I love the safety aspect of it, because man, that
little quarter inch deal sticken out will slice your hands.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I know it's happened to you.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It's happened to me before we started doing it the
right way. But you know, just you know, to simply
try to explain it, you leave yourself enough tag in
to be able to take a pair of flyers and
grab that haywire or your actual twist, and then you
basically just take that tag in and bend it all
the way one way, all the way the other way,
(18:31):
and you're sitting up that wire so that it cleanly
breaks right there at the end of that twist.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
And then just like you know you're saying you.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Can, you can grab it, you can slide it out
of your hand. You don't have to worry about you know,
it beating you up too bad.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So you got any favorite knots.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I use a I'm pretty standard guy, use a UNI
nod or a fisherman's nod. I call it a fisherman's knot.
It's a cinchnot, and I use that for my braid
to floor carbon connection. And you know, I didn't talk
about weight or anything on the snapper deal, but real briefly,
(19:10):
you know, it's kind of the same thing as when
we're when we're trout.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Fishing or jetti fishing.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know, my rule of thumb is used as light
of weight as you can get away with with the current,
and some days that's three ounces an egg. Thinker, we're
using like one hundred and fifty one hundred and fifty
pounds liter when we're dropping down to the bottom for
our snapper. It's excessive, but you never know, you might
catch an amber jack, you might catch something crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So we like to, yeah, grouper, right.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So your fishing structure, so we use about three foot
of one hundred and fifty pounds. I use a size
nine you know nine circle hooks, big enough to catch
just about anything down there really, And and you know,
like I said, there's days where the current is super
slow and you're you don't need to troll the motor,
(20:00):
you're sitting on the spot and you got thirty minutes
to fish it before you even drift off of it.
In those days, you know, drop down two ounces, three ounces?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh that's the lightning. But you get a big blast,
did you?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Who Oh boy?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Okay, I'm gonna let you get to church man, where
you can work it. Maybe maybe that's your sign that
it's time for us and give it up. I know
if you heard that, but I didn't hear it. But
I'm glad you're safe. Thanks for all your helm man,
I really appreciate it. We may do this again, all right,
shark Yeah, Outcast Fishing Charters dot Com. No g on
(20:37):
the fishing. We got that right, right, good sir?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Sure, I thank thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Man, great Sunday.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I'll be safe.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You bet you too. Audios. All right, there you go.
We gotta take another break, I man, I. I could
sit and talk with him for a long long time
about terminal stuff. And and it's interesting about those dorato
It really is, because we used to find it and
we were doing the same thing he was doing before
he decided to upgrade, just like we did. It's exactly
(21:04):
the same transformation. You look at the bottom of the
boat and there's twenty five of these little foot and
a half long foot long doroto and they're just basically
blue marlin potato chips. And you realize that there are
some fifteen and twenty pounders out there, and you get
just where you don't care about those little guys anymore.
So you do exactly what he did. You troll those
(21:25):
weed lines very patiently because there are bigger fish underneath them.
Every now and then the little ones will come running
out and looking at your lure and playing with it
and asking if it wants to play with them, and
they're not really trying to eat that. But then that
big one comes out and all the little ones go away,
and I've got to I'll tell you what. I've got
a red snapper trick that it was talked to me.
(21:46):
If you listen long enough, you've probably heard it. But
I'm gonna share it with you when I get back.
And this will absolutely get rid of those little bitty
snapper around there and make sure the giant, the one
super giant, has a chance to get to that bait.
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