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September 21, 2025 • 13 mins
Originally aired on September 21st, 2025. Doug's informative interview with James Plaag, for your listening pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Eight thirty two on Sports Talk seven ninety The Doug
Pike Show. I just got an email from from Mark
over there at Georgia. He and his family celebrated their
some thirty third family reunion, and on top of that,
it was his father's ninety ninth birthday and they all
played golf.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
How cool is that, Captain James? You think we could
play golf and war ninety nine?

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Man? I hope so, buddy, picking up a bird man.
They're eating me up out here this morning.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
You dove hunting or tihon dove Hounty had a boy
down on the island.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
You didn't even have to go far, did you.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
No, I got a little place to be hunt here
for about twenty years. Oh nice, wasn't very good today,
And actually I came to I need to work on
the lot. Put a chain on there, and they fly
better out here right now.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Oh that's nice? Good for you.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Well, look you know why I called. And I don't
care about doves right now. I want to hear about
this tarping you caught this week.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh dogs, he ain't that big time, but it's pretty
big time for this year because it ain't really been
no good.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's what I kind of heard. Yeah, what somebody said
that fish was about one eighty? Is that right? Or
was that you they were talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
No, I ain't. Hey, now you put a gun to
my head. I mean, I don't like to overestimate nothing.
He didn't. He didn't have the link, okay, all right
to taste him out. Had probably a fourteen and a
half inch tail. He's probably eighteen inches across the back.
So conservatively I called him one seventy five.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's close enough to one eighty. I'll call him one
eighty for you. If you don't want to do it yourself,
that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's not a product. And I told Larry my guy, man,
you know, put him on scale. This fish is, this
fish is.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Heady, it's big, Yeah, it's big.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah. This guy can fish, man. And he fished with
me a lot. Man. I think we fought that fish
like an iron fifty minute. Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
I understand that there's nothing else you can do. They're
just going to tug the boat around for a little
while until they get a little bit tired.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
So yeah, we caught them on casting rod.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh goodness.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
And so not exactly where were you, but generally where
were you man.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I've been fishing in Galaston this year and it really
hasn't been very good anywhere. Jamie's probably caught more tarbor
than anybody on the planet got in Texas this year. Yeah,
and a lot of them fish were inside the PLC jetties.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Oh wow, Okay, I don't doubt that at all.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
And in they're there every year, but they stayed a
long time because you know, the open beach. I mean,
there was some schools. Don't get me wrong, these kids
all called me and asked him. Yeah, it's kind of
slow this year. I said, man, look, I've seen it slow,
I've seen it good. I said, you know, y'all fish
the last two years I didn't catch very many because

(02:56):
I spent most of my time driving away from the boat.
So no, I didn't do very good. But as far
as numbers of fish, really really good. Hey, there's a
dove just landing in my d koy right there, and uh,
but this year is different. I've seen it like this,
and usually when it's like this, it's it don't last.

(03:17):
But one year, you know, I went to Louise Anna
because of this. Yeah, yeah, uh, because I talked to Brian.
I talk to a lot of people. And you know,
I thought to Brian morri in Southeast is a lot
probably every day because to get to us, it got
to come through him.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
And he found some fish yesterday and he's caught some
good ones, but overall it's been slow.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Okay, Uh, let's let's let's just not worry about this season.
I want to get into something with you that I
don't hear talked about much. Uh James Flogg, by the
way on Doug Pike Show, talk about the gear you
use and how you rig.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
It to fish for tarpa in these days.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Man, we really just like he was gonna go bill fishing.
You know. We troll spread of four to five rods,
and you know I got I got backing on it.
I got thirty pound main line. I use eighty foot petter,
which what we call a wind on twenty five foot
wind on to a samp O cross lock only certain

(04:19):
kind of use, and a six butt leader and that's
my trolling set up. And my cashing rods are they're
they're heavy, they're let's just pick a braid number sixty
five to two hundred. I think this one of them is.
And I use the Shamano trunks, and there's probably other reels.
I don't work for Samana nothing, and they're all junk too.

(04:40):
I destroy them every year on sixty five pound braid.
And then I go to a twenty five foot a
power pro wind on, which is kind of thin, but
you can wire off of it. You just got to
be careful. You can't wrap all up in it. And

(05:01):
then from there and FG not to about a six
foot the one hundred pound flour carman leader that don't work,
That don't work.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
What's at the end of all that?

Speaker 3 (05:13):
What do you drag? And I used several different hooks.
I use a Mustad three nine nine five oh hook
and then I'll bounce back and forth between the standard
sixteen oh the sixteen oh must as a built a
little bit different they used to that that point comes
out real more. So I'll kind of work on them.
I'll file them a little bit, you know, when I
got time, So I'll file down, you know, fifteen or

(05:35):
twenty hooks. Fifteen or twenty huks last me all year
right now, going through very many can get.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
You started next season, Huh.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
I'll be ready for next year, man. But it's uh,
it's been tough. Yesterday we saw one school of fish
there and this has happened the last oh four or
five trips, and they're all in there with these bullreds.
Yesterday the bull reads was you just had to riel
everything in. Yeah. I mean you can't even you can't
troll up to where you've seen the fish because you

(06:04):
got a bull red fish and everything. And we still
caught torny And I try to riel everything in go
and then I don't see nothing else. Man, I got
home at six o'clock. I never saw those school of fish.
And that's why it's been.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Is anybody does anybody throw live bait at these tarpain.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Not here in Galveston, Righting does. Yeah, but there's too
many sharks, Doug, Well, let me rack up about that.
There's just too many sharks to fish with any kind
of bag. Now you can. I did it. I did
it for years. One year I jumped ninety four tarping.
I think I caught sixty two. And this ain't no

(06:43):
bragging this toon. I went through twelve hundred circle hooks.
So do to math Cow. Because I worked for my
dad at that time. They send you a sleeve of
ten boxes wrapped up and celebrating. I went through them
and I went to Smitty's and bought two more boxes.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Lord, and when I learned how.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
And when I learned how to really fish, to talk
to Louisanna because I was going over there fishing and
then we're coming back doing what we do. I said, Man,
why can't I do what I do over there here?
Because I can't catch anymore sharks? I can't do it, boy?
And it worked this year. Man, we were just talking
about that, just like I'm talking about Gallaston. I fished

(07:26):
South a little bit. I ain't fish really fishing Galaston
in three years. But there again, I had to get
away from the boats. I can deal with, you know,
twenty thirty boats everything. And so I fished here this
year and man, there there's just there's no bio mass
of nothing. I mean bot red fish. And they're hard
to find. I say hard to find. I'm not looking

(07:47):
for them, but I am because the tarpents are with them,
and it's hard to You just don't see no sharks jumping.
I saw they gold bowl of shark and midd and
red fish yesterday. Wow. It's just like I don't know,
something's different, the currents are different. Something's different. But it's
coast wide, it's not just Galveston.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, something, something's different.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I talked to my buddy Coon Sweat, probably want the
best surber fish in my note. Yeah, in Louisanna. He
said there's no fish on the west side of the river.
He said, there's millions of them on the east side
of the river, and he knows. He said, they're not
here yet. I'm like to it's like August to twentieth day, really,
he said, he said, I'm just telling you they ain't here. Well,

(08:30):
I noticed. I didn't talk to him, but I saw
maybe like three or four days ago they had a
couple of big days. And I know where he's fishing,
and that is on the west side of the river.
So you know, I fishing this year. If fishing late,
I'm it's still like over the fifteenth, so we'll see. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
What was it, there's a seamster, there's a steam monster
out there?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Oh, you know it.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's exactly what everybody's looking for. I don't care where
you're fishing, you're looking for the sea monster.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Man that's been looking for him buddy.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
How's your boy doing?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Speaking of sea monsters, he's got bigger fish and both
of us combined.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I think, man, he's caught more billfish and ice catching. Tryout. Man,
they blew an engine on his last trip. I got
thirty miles to Pa. Ain't blow an engine. So they're
shut down for the season. And he was I think
he was leading that big game deal and he was
kind of you know, he don't ever say nothing about that,

(09:25):
but I know what he wanted to win it.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, I'm sure he did.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
He was kind of sad when they went down. So
they'll probably be back into October, probably, I mean back
back running.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Give me two more minutes. What do you think of
the three trout limit?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Oh, Dougie, don't make me a hill of beans. This
is just my opinion. It doesn't okay, but from three
to two, I mean, from from five to three, who tears.
I mean, that's it's minuscule. And I've said this before.
I think five of anything is sufficient. I don't care
what it is. Yeah, yeah, I think it's fair. It

(10:07):
doesn't hurt the resource. Uh three no, maybe half my
guys don't even keep no fish.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, you know, and I'm so glad you hit you
said that because most of the guys i'm talking to
now that I grew up riding around with and fishing
with you, and Mickey and Blaine and man, I don't
have time to name all the guys who are nice
enough to let me fish with them. But we've caught
enough fish, and now the people who are coming up

(10:36):
behind us are saying, you know what, the resource is
more important than my belly, and I'm gonna let them go.
And I'm glad to see that.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
We talked about this on your show maybe a couple
of years ago, when this thing first happened, and I said,
you can't regulate yourself into no fishery. You can't. Yeah,
you have to change the mindset. And I use this example.
You tell me how many dead dog shots you see
a bass?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
None, buddy, You don't.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
You better not put you better not put one up there.
They'll come looking for you.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
They're gonna come get you. And when you have that
mindset and it changes, it makes everything better. Yeah, but
I'd be a fool to say it's not helping. I mean,
I mean, three's less than five.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, it's helping.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
In the grand scheme of things. It won't matter. And
you're coming off of that for freeze in twenty twenty one.
It knocked these fish in the dirt. Nobody believes it,
but I saw it.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh, I don't doubt it at all.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, it'll be good with our fish in this spring,
in this summer or the winter through the spring of summer.
When I quit, it was really good. And I gazed
my trysts by this. We just played the game. Okay,
there's our five. We've caught fifteen, all right, let's go
old limit. Okay, we've caught thirty. And I did that
a bunch. Wow. And I told my guys, I said, what, man,

(11:58):
we still call thirty. They just staying in there dead.
They're like, well, you're right, I sat, yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
And if you want more fish to eat, then go
fishing again. What better excuse, you know exactly?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Come back or we'll catch it wounder or whatever. You know.
But it's been good to fishing the trap fishing. Will
it'd be really good this fall. I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I am too, buddy. All right, it's been way too long, man.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
We need to figure out a way to at least
sit down and just shoot the breeze at the dock.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Sometime I'll drive down there. I'll see you.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
No, let's do it. We're gonna go h the fifteenth,
so I'm gonna catch a day. What's a good day
for you.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I'm off Mondays, Okay.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
If I got a weather wind on a Monday between
nine and fifteenth, I'm gonna call you. I want you
to go with my guy Larry, to fish with me
a lot o. Great guy, you bet very well.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
We'll have a good time, all right, man, Thank you,
Captain Hi Douglas, Yes, sir, thank you, audios.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
A lot of trolling, huh, A lot of trolling for tarping.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
That's something that we never did when all of this
started in earnest after it was either eighty three or
eighty nine. Threes just knocked the speckled trout off the
map and the guides had to find something to do,
and they started tarping fishing, and it's evolved.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Here to something really really good. When it's right. It's
one of those things. It's almost kind of like bill fishing.
You're not gonna get one every time you go. You're not.
But when it's hot. It's hotter than bill fishing, so
it's cool.
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