Do I Hunt, Or Do I Fish?

Originally aired on September 13th, 2025. On this episode, Doug recounts his recent vacation, interviews Chris Hodge from TakingVegas.com and Sports Investors Daily, as well as Ann Thomasson-Wilson, two-time bass fishing World Champion, owner of Ann's Tackle Shop, and an inductee into the 2025 Texas Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, off we go Saturday morning. An issue to
the program starts right now. And it's been a while.
Missed you last weekend. Hope you missed me. I'm sure
Frankie did a fine job. In fact, I got emails
from a couple of people said, oh, you're on vacation.
We finally figured that out. Frankie's doing a great job.
He put up some good stuff, So thank you, Frankie.
Appreciate that. Man, Oh mercy. I've got a new laptop,

(00:25):
and I was just telling Frankie I came in here
trying to plug it in because three hours maybe a
little bit much to ask of it's battery power, and
the former power source that I had doesn't work here anymore,
so I'm gonna have to hunt down some sort of
power supply. Actually, what I think i'll do, I've still

(00:47):
got for this weekend. I can still go get my
old laptop and bring it in here and have access
to the internet like I need. But this one may
not make it. That's okay, God, Lee, I missed you, guys,
I really did. It was hard taking a week of vacation,
but I needed that week of vacation, and I told
myself that when I went, what I was gonna do

(01:11):
is not much. I was just gonna hang around the house,
maybe do a couple of chores, maybe go out and
play a little golf that week somewhere, maybe do a
little fishing. And before the week was over, I had
done way more stuff than rest, way more. I barely

(01:32):
slowed down long enough to eat and didn't quite get
enough sleep to fully recharge. But I still feel better
coming back than I did when I left, and that
was the goal I had to get. I had to
just get something going and feel like I was not
gonna just be stuck in a big old rut somewhere.
I do like what I do, I really do, but

(01:54):
I miss the freedom I had many years ago where
I could just knock out a Columner too and take
off for a few days and not be missed. My
work was done. So for the week, for the record,
here's what I did, beginning with well two weeks ago Sunday,

(02:16):
beginning with what I did on Monday. I played golf
on Monday. That was cart path, only played with the
old guys. I played without a Blackhawk, and it was
sloppy Man three or four. If you recall it had
been raining in buckets for days. It's a miracle the
course was even open, but we were able to get
out there and play, and it just that beat my

(02:38):
legs up pretty good. Then I stayed out there after
that round of golf and fished for a little while,
still on my feet. Tuesday, another round of golf, different
golf course, also cart path only though, because I thought
I'd play better than I played on Monday, but I didn't.
I had so much fun on Monday and Tuesday. Then

(02:59):
I went back and play with the old guys again
on Wednesday morning, since we were off of cart Pass
and I felt like that might be just what I
needed to play even better. I actually did okay that day.
I didn't play great, but I didn't play poorly. When
I got home Wednesday around two, I got a text
from faux Pro. Hey, man, I'm on my way to Freeport.

(03:22):
I'm gonna fish down there till dark and then spend
the night and then fish again in the morning. You
want to join me? Yeah, yeah, I'll go. Not on
my radar at all when the week started, but Wednesday
afternoon and I did cheat. I did take a little
look at saltwater recon to make sure the water was

(03:44):
as pretty as I was almost positive it already was,
and it was. So I got down there mid afternoon,
late afternoon, somewhere in there, whatever you want to call it,
through stuff in his truck. We go to the Quintana
Jetty thinking we were gonna kind of trick the crowds.
And the one thing I didn't check, though, was the tides.
And the tide schedule was just dismal and folk prot

(04:06):
didn't get to do a lot of fishing along the
coast though, So I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna forego
that trip just because I didn't like the tide schedule.
And at this stage in my fishing career, it's kind
of like a challenge accepted thing. Yeah, the tides barely
moving all day, creeping out for twelve hours, creeping back

(04:27):
in for another twelve hours, Okay, see what we can do.
And that afternoon, what we did on these Quintana Jetty
was basically just deal with unexpectedly high wind that wasn't
supposed to have happened. But it still wasn't horrible. We
still were able to fish. We just didn't catch any fish.

(04:51):
We retreated. We went and grabbed dinner, got back into
our hotel rooms, and after that woke up really really early,
headed back. We were changing plans. We were going to
check out of the hotel early, go ahead and go
straight over to the surf side, Jeddie. We were on
the freeport side and didn't really want to have to
come back and cut off the morning fish too early.

(05:16):
We get up, we head there where a good thirty
minutes ahead of even a glimmer of sunrise. And anybody
who's been stuck behind one of these things will recognize
this sound. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.
You know what that is, Frankie, you know what that
sound is. I do not. That is the sound of

(05:38):
a train crossing warning that a train is coming. Only
it didn't even have to be that. The audible signal
that there was a train didn't have to be there,
because there was a train, all right, and it was
parked from as far as you could see to the
left to as far as you could see to the

(06:00):
right on the road that was going to get us
to surfside. So we sat there, hoping against all hope
that the train would move, and just about the time
I was ready to pull the trigger and call him
and say, look, let's find an alternate route. The train
started to move. Oh okay, well we'll sit here for
a minute, and it moved, and it moved in it

(06:22):
about twenty cars moved, and then however much train there was,
way past those twenty cars ahead, and way past those
twenty cars behind, all stopped again. So folk Pro calls
me and said, hey, man, I found an alternate route.
Follow me. He makes a U turn, We go and

(06:44):
we found Ultimately we got onto the surfside jetty at
a decent hour, well a decent time. We probably lost
probably lost twenty twenty five minutes altogether, which wasn't the
end of the world, because we had vowed to get
an early start, sleep or no sleep, and we did
so we got all that taken care of. We hadn't

(07:04):
caught squat on on what was it, Wednesday, so we
were hoping for the best. On Thursday. Thursday morning, the
water was absolutely gorgeous, five or six feet of visibility.
Folk Pro said he had never seen the golf the
gulf that clean, which I'm glad he saw because I
know and most of you know, that it can get
really just almost air clear, almost too clear in fact,

(07:29):
but at least we were there, and I hoped and
hoped and hoped that he would catch some good fish.
We started. He'd never fished that, jetty. I said, Okay, look,
I've fished a million times. I don't know what the
current stuff is. But there's some go to places we
need to try. And the first is going to be
just a couple one hundred miles off the beach front,
where the wade fishermen would typically be casting if they

(07:52):
were there. And there weren't many fishermen in the water
because I think all the veteran fishermen were laying back
in the weeds and just waiting for a better tide schedule.
Then one high and one low spread out and just
barely moving all day long. Wasn't even that much water
moving high up and down. It was not a big

(08:14):
strong tide in both directions either. So anyway, the long
and the short of it is, we get out there.
We wanted to throw top waters to start, and my
first cast is about two seconds after he hit the water,
his big blow up. But oh boy, here we go, man,
they are here, and they were here. Oh, make no
mistake they were here, but they were all skip jacks too,

(08:40):
skip jacks foot long, not giants, not fun ones, but
just not poor man's tarping. This is broke man's bait, basically,
and we were dying. He was having a blast now,
he conceded to me later. In fact, I talked to
him yesterday. He said, look, I would have just stood
there and caught those skip jacks all day long. That's

(09:01):
fun getting a bite on every cast. And as a
bass fisherman, he's not used to that. He's used to
fishing fifteen twenty thirty minutes between bites sometimes, so we're
getting bites from Skippy. They were everywhere here throw left, Skippy,
throw right, Skippy, throw real far out there, Skippy here,
Skippy there, Skippy everywhere, Skippy Skippy. Anyway, we fished pretty

(09:25):
good while and didn't get anything like a speckled trout
in there. And then finally he had to he had
to go back and get his sunglasses. He'd forgotten them.
And I said, look, just find me. I'm gonna walk
out farther and see what's going on. Find me, and
I'm walking out and this other guy comes kind of
saddling up beside me, and we're walking out talking about

(09:48):
the fishing. He's about my age, and he was he
he and I are talking and he said, look, there's
a buddy of mine too. Let's see what he's doing,
because he's out here all the time. Well, this guy
is standing on the channel side and he's throwing the
top water as far as he can throw it into
the channel side. And I'm trying to figure that out

(10:08):
because that had never been a good strategy for me,
at least in the times I fished that jetty. I
caught a lot of fish on the channel side, but
always deeper. Anyway, this guy, this guy knows his stuff.
You could see walking up on people on the jetty
whether they know how to fish or they don't know
how to fish, it's pretty simple. And this guy, I

(10:29):
sized him up immediately as somebody who who had a plan,
and he'd been successful with that plan one hundred times.
And what he was doing, he finally conceded to me,
was targeting a specific time and place to throw that lure. Now,
I promised him I wouldn't say a whole lot about

(10:49):
what he was doing, and I wasn't really, I mean,
I believed him. I actually watched him kept a really
nice trout before I started kind of moving up and
down the rocks doing the same thing. Let's just say
he was following. He was following the same thing that
the trout were following and casting into where the two

(11:12):
of them might intercept. And anybody who knows anything about
beech front and jettyfishing probably figured out the clue I
just gave you. And so I started doing the same thing,
and I wasn't getting bites. I wasn't getting bites. It
was just kind of a yawner. And then because the
water was so clear and I could see up behind

(11:33):
my top water in the channel, comes this trout that
I'm guessing was probably about and this is right about
right before I had to leave. But this fish was
a good two and a half maybe three pounds, probably
eighteen twenty inches at least, maybe well probably a little
bit longer than that actually, and just as beautiful as

(11:54):
you can imagine a speckled trout being when you're looking
at it almost from a drone point of view. I
was up on the top of the jetty the walks
walking section, not down on the rocks where I couldn't
really see, and It was amazing to watch the fish's reaction.
It reminded me of the first couple of times I
threw Oh what was that lure? Anyway, there was a

(12:18):
kind of a suspending lure. I was throwing over it
Lake Calcushu once in super clear water, and I was
standing on a little casting platform on the front of
the boat, and I could see those fish come up,
and this fish came up and he kind of took
a half hearted swipe at that lure the first time,
and then all he would do is just kind of
follow it and think about it, and follow it and

(12:39):
think about it, and maybe come up real close to
it and then just settle back down. It's fascinating to
watch it, really was. I didn't catch any I wish
I had caught some, but I didn't. That's all right.
I got a new I got a new plan next
time I go down there. I'll tell you more if
you want to. If you want to, email me and
ask me exactly what he was doing, and you really

(13:00):
I'm not sure, you're kind of scratching your head still,
email me and I'll do it. I just don't want
to do it on the air because I made a promise.
Nice guy though, and he boy, did he know what
he was doing. Uh, we didn't get the bites. We
hope folk pro and I unless you count skippies. And
so we walked back to the truck. I did show
him a couple of spots on the way back on
the channel side that are They're worth checking anytime you

(13:20):
go down there, and the conditions are right and the
tides moving, that's that's the key.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Though.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
We just missed the tides, that's all. And I'm gonna
keep an eye on and I'm gonna go back down there.
I don't remember much after I got home Thursday afternoon,
except the pillow that kept my head from smashing into
the mattress. God, I was tired. Then came Friday. Oh
that's when I spent the first half hour, maybe first
hour or so of daylight driving around the Katy Prairie

(13:45):
to see what happened all the places I used to hunt.
I'll tell you why I was on the Katy Prairie
when we get back. First, I got to tell you
about El Kubano's cigars. This is my buddy, Manny Lopez.
Manny and I. We don't run into each other that
often because his cigar manufacturing facility, one of only about
two dozen in the whole country, is over in Texas City,

(14:05):
and it is attached to and part of a smoking
lounge over there where you can go over and got
a chill, have a nice cigar, maybe place an order
for the c scars you want to take home. You
can do that by mail order and by phone too.
You can just call Manny over there tell him exactly
what you want. You can go to the website and
see what you want and then call him and he'll
ship them to you wherever you are in the entire country. Mark.

(14:26):
If you're listening over there in Georgia and you want
some fine cigars, get in touch with El Cubano Cigars.
They do custom bands for cigars, They do custom boxes
for cigars. Manny will actually come out to your event.
Maybe it's a fundraiser, maybe it's a big wedding party,
maybe it's a graduate anything and everything where cigars are

(14:51):
an appropriate. Hey, let's have one to celebrate. Manny will
come out there and bring the tobacco and all the
stuff he needs to actually roll cigars for your guests
right while they're standing in front of him. Watching him.
It's amazing thing, it really is. I love that place.
I need to get back down there. As a matter
of fact, I want to talk to him about some
other business. I know a lot of my listeners have

(15:15):
gone to him since he came on board, and I'm
glad they did because They're not going to be any
of them not going to be disappointed. Neither will you.
There's a second smoking lounge in League City, by the way,
that is more of a Havana feel. Man. He's Cuban.
He and his dad came over here and started that
company a long long time ago, and the people who
work for him are Cuban too. Elcubano Cigars dot Com

(15:39):
all they all come from cigar factories, they come from
cigar growing, all of that. Elcubano Cigars dot Com one
on Sports Talk seven ninety The Dougpike Show. Thank you
very much for listening. I certainly do appreciate it. Let's
go tee it up. Get Dave on the phone. What's
up day.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Well, I'm glad you had a good time, and I'll
tell you what you know. I can't never replax. My
brain is just always going now to do this and
do that.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Same here, man, I just got you to Thursday. I'm on.
I'm going to Friday next. What's up?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (16:18):
On that Lions Club deal Kids on the Lakes, that's
going to be today. They're on in Owen Park, like
around in tomro over there. It's supposed to be like
where the old Lion seeing a is over there. It's
going to be for handicap kids.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
I got my red regulars, I got some green worms.
I got a net, my fishing net. I don't know
exactly what they're gonna want me to do. I'm decked
out with my camouflage shirt and my pants and everything,
and I got my guitar Dave cap on, and so
I'm gonna go over there and put a smile on
in kids' face and buddy take off their figures or
bake it out. They're supposed to have all the poles

(16:57):
for him and every kid wins prize.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's great.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
I tell you what.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
It's gonna be cool. I just got to google it
over there. It's on park, you know anyway. Okay, wait
a minute, now, look here in my when I've been
pulling out my books and putting in my bookcase. Nineteen
seventy six Stevenson's Fishing and Outdoors albun Aft. And then
here this is a nineteen sixty seven Dictionary of Fishing

(17:27):
by Rue Allen. And and on the inside deal bought
by L. J. Shinston. That's my grandpa, my mom's dad, LJD.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah about that.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
And then on one more I found the Bass Fisherman's
Bible by Irwin E.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Bauer Man.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
That's way yeah, yeah, yeah, so I mean and hey,
then yeah, on some of that stuff, especially in the
Stevenson bought uh Bob steven and stuff over there tomorrow
when I call in.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
I'll pick you out a couple of deals over there.
They will be wreaking on cough rights. But you know,
like on hunting safety, this and that, and it tells it,
you know, it goes pretty much a letter by letter
or what were we always talk about?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Hunter safety has been a topic
of conversation for a very long time, Dave. But the
problem we had thirty forty to fifty i'd say forty
to fifty sixty years ago was there was still a
bunch of hunters who really weren't so concerned with safety
as they were with having a flask in their pocket
when they went hunting, and that that's changed now, it

(18:42):
really has, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, how you know? And the cool thing is like
when we learned at my uncle Sonny, who was a
homeside detective, and then my uncle Willie, he was a
police officer on the street, and they were both very
safety wise, I'm sure you know, and uh you know
and and uh but they're the ones that were on

(19:05):
the back of the truck when we went rabbit hunting,
you know, and and you know, uh so nobody would
And I know like my uncle Lewis in his truck
he had somebody had a shotgun in there and shot
a hole on the top of his truck. Yeah, man,
you know, I.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Know somebody who shot a hole through the floorboard of
his truck. It wasn't me.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
Oh man, Now, hey, I tell you what.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
How you know in that that thirty eight that I got,
like I say, I always keep it. I got five
lib ones in there in one off, just in case
something happened that I don't want to do nothing wrong.
Then oh wait, let me give you a report right now.
Oh yeah, I'm right here at eight thirty at the
Marino over here where where there's a boat going out

(19:49):
right now. They all got the riding reels going. I
got my body gone here to my left. He's got
a he's got a light that he put with LEDs
and he threw out in the water.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah, you're all.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
That's cool, man.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
So water is smurved and everything is cool.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Sounds like your said. Thank you, Dave.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Douglass.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, great to hear from you. Man. Audios. All right,
let's go talk to Mike. You've been sitting there a wall.
What's up, Mike.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
How are you doing, young man?

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I'm well, thank you.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
I'm glad to hear you got out and smelled a
little fresh air.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Oh. I smelled a lot of fresh air, man, I did.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
After listening to your fifteen minutes of what you did
on your vacation, I recall that as being a scouting
trip where you take your water and your field apparatus
and you bring nothing home.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah. Wow, i'd not, man, I didn't bring anything home
at all. I didn't, but I think I had a
couple of ant bites, maybe mosquito bites with us about it.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
You were talking about going out to Katie. What'd you
find out there?

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, I went out there. I wanted to get on
the prairie early. I had business out there, and I
wanted to get there early just to kind of see
what I could see. And it's so different. You know,
I'm drying around the prairie for an hour, and you know,
I didn't see any ducks on the tops of any
of the warehouses. I didn't see any ducks in anybody's backyard.

(21:20):
Just I kept looking. Were they in the community pool? No, No,
they weren't there either.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
And you're stopping on ground that you were knee high
and bushes and water around.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
My god, man, yeah, it was really it was fun.
I actually went by the field, the same field at
which I shot years ago, the photograph that I believe
to this day to be probably the one that has
the most snowgies captured on one thirty five millimeter frame
of film, and that field. It just brought back such

(21:52):
really cool memories. I ended up going. I was going
up to West Side Sporting Grounds. I had charity tournament
to go shoot sporting c through the invitation of my
buddy Jim Level, and I was up there with him
and God named Steve frunter House and then Derek and
we had Brenna who we needed an extra player and

(22:12):
we couldn't find that shooter beforehand. So this young woman
named Brenna volunteered and she ended up being the high
overall woman in the whole shoot, so she helped our team.
We didn't win anything, but we had a lot of fun.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
Well that's the main thing. You're in good shape.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Now, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
All right, but I'll let you go. I know you
got people holding I just I was.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Hanging there for you, man. That's all right, thank you, yes, sir,
you too, audios. All right, Yeah, that was the end
of Friday. On Saturday and Sunday, I kind of just
I was pretty much beat up. I really was. I
was pretty much beat up. I did have fun though
out there Friday at that shoot. You know what, I'm

(22:57):
gonna pause and I'm gonna go ahead and grab Bob
before we go to the break, because I don't want
him to hang on too long. Hey, Bible, what's up?

Speaker 8 (23:03):
Man?

Speaker 5 (23:05):
In mind, Doug, I won't take much of your time,
all right. I wanted to check on some dove hunting.
And here's my situation. You know, I've got some trouble on.
I'm a little handicapped. You know, anybody that caters to
people like myself where I can't walk very much.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Uh, I would call just call some of the outfitters.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Okay, yeah, Mitchell Holder, Mitchell Holder.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Okay, yeah, Mitchell Holder. He's with waterfowl Specialties. Uh. He
sets some stuff up. There's a lot of pretty good
dove hunting down around now, Campo. There's it's you know,
it's it's always kind of hit or miss. You don't
know what you're getting into. Oh yeah, now that the
first weekend's gone by, but we've got South Zone stuff coming,
so yeah, it's it's time to be out there. Absolutely,

(23:54):
it is. Just call some of these outfitters and I'll
I'll try to find somebody or maybe one of the
guys who's list will call me and say, yeah, I
know where to go. But most of these guys are
gonna accommodate you and they'll they'll take you to a
spot and drop you off with somebody else. Bring bring
you need to bring a retrievers. What you need to bring,

(24:15):
whether it has two legs or four legs, you're gonna
need a retriever. You don't need to be getting up
and down and going back and forth.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
I can't. Yeah, yeah, well, I appreciate it. Won't take
up any more of your time. But I've been able
to listen to you for a while. But I'm always thinking.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Well, I appreciate it. Well, thank you man. Yeah, questions
answered anytime, Bob, Thank you, buddy, audios, thank you. Yeah,
that's uh. I'm looking for an outfitter for Bob, and
I believe he's I want to say he's over on
the east side of town. I hate to send him
all the way to El Campo from there to go
dove hunting, because I know there's doves over there too,

(24:52):
on the east side. But if anybody's got a nose
of an outfitter who you already know will try to
help a guy who can't get around much anymore but
wants to shoot some does shoot me an email or
give me a call? Will you? Seven one three two
one two five seven ninety. I did pause over the weekend,
and I'll I'll wrap up my what I did on

(25:13):
my summer vacation, uh with this. I was tired. I
went back out and hit some balls on Saturday afternoon,
went back out and hit balls on Sunday, didn't play then,
and then Sunday afternoon, I came home. I think I
got one more day. I'm just gonna sleep in tomorrow
and do nothing the whole day. I'm just gonna do
nothing and relax. And then Mike Bailey calls my buddy

(25:35):
from He and I were at the Chronicle together a
million years ago, and Bailey's still in the golf business
and covering it for a couple of magazines and other sources.
And he says, hey, man, I'm playing Gus tomorrow. Gus
wortham playing Gus tomorrow at three o'clock. Can you join me? Uh? Yeah,

(25:58):
I could do that. I don't have to get up early.
That's cool. I was going to forego my round with
my geezer buddies out there at Blackhawk. I was probably
gonna play, but maybe not. And then once when I
got this invitation to play a course that I hadn't
played up until this past Monday, and I've been wanting
to ever since it got redone, I couldn't pass it up.

(26:20):
And it's afternoon tea time, so I got out there
at him and another guy named Doug and a woman
named Ann, and the four of us dragged it around
gus worthing, which is in spectacular shape right now, by
the way, I was told that for a while it
had gone kind of back down. The maintenance wasn't being
done properly, and it had kind of gone where it

(26:43):
was going in a handbasket. But because they were working,
they were working it up for an upcoming city event.
It was beautiful. It was in immaculate shape, a really
good looking course, a good layout. It still follows the
old layout, but boy, you will not recognize it if
you haven't played it in a while, and I hadn't,
And that was good, all right. We do need to

(27:06):
take this break now. I don't want to get Frankie
all upset. First day back in the saddle. Belleville Meat
Market way, well, it's not that far out there, really.
Belleville Meat Market has been around for gosh, the better
part of forty something years, I can't remember how many
forty what and all they do is meat products and
that well there is an aside is the meal they

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serve up barbecue lunches and dinners every day from seven
or ten am to seven pm, pecon smoked sausage, pulled pork,
homemade hot dogs, ribs, chicken, you name it, they got
it and the sides to go with it. And while
you're out there, drop off the order that you made

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on the way out with somebody's going to be in
charge of writing it up for the family as you
drive out there to go eat lunch or dinner, and
then you hand that off at the counter, and when
you get finished with your delicious meal, you can go
back and pick up all of that delicious stuff you
ordered up to take home and enjoy for another two
weeks or so, or until you're ready to go back

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out there. Bulk pricing always on fresh ground beep and
all all their pecan smoke sausages. There's more than two
dozen varieties. The game processing, which goes on year round,
is very shortly going to ramp up to take over
an entire building that they build a few years ago,
so that anybody and everybody who wants to drop off

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a white tail can go drop it off, or your
exotic game or whatever you want to take out there
that you've legally taken. Not birds, I don't think they
do birds at all. But if you'll take your four
legged animals out there, and if you're if you're wondering
about something, whether they'll process it or not, just call
them before you go out there. It won't it won't
hurt you make a call and they'll most of the time,

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I don't want to put a percentage on it. They're
gonna say, yeah, we can do that. Bring it on
out here a great processing house. They you just dry up.
There's several people there waiting for you during deer season
to come out and get that meat out of the
back of your truck or out of the coolers wherever
it is. Take it inside. And then when you get
handed a big menu like you're at like you're at

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cheesecake factory, of options you have in your processing, you
make those selections. In a few days later, you get
that magical text or phone call to let you know
your meat ready to come pick up. Belleville MeetMarket dot com.
Right in the middle of the little town of Belleville,
fifteen minutes north of Sealy, fifteen minutes south of Hempstead.
You cannot miss it. And if you're in town and

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you don't know where it is, still roll down your
window and when you smell barbecue, drive up wind. You'll
find them. Bellville MeetMarket dot com is a website Belleville
meat Market dot com. Seven thirty nine on Sports Talk
seven ninety The Dougpike Show. Thank you for listening. I
certainly do appreciate it, and I got a lot of
stuff to squeeze into the sack. This morning, I got

(29:57):
Chris Hodge from Takeing Vegas dot com. He's back on
the air with a down here. He's going to come
on every Saturday after my show. Sometimes that's going to
start at nine. If we have to take a football
game early, sometimes it'll start at ten, But either way,
I'm going to talk to him in the well at
the top of the next hour at eight o'clock, and

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then at eight point thirty, I'm going to talk to
a woman named Anne Thomas and Wilson. And if you're
from East Texas, you probably know that name. She's a
woman who owned A's AND's tackle shop in Jasper there
for about I think it was thirty seven years thirty
eight years. And before she owned that tackle shop, she

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actually was a professional woman bass fisherman, and that back
when she was fishing professionally. I remember the very early
stages of women's professional fishing. They weren't fishing for big purses.
They weren't fishing for anything but dragging writes and enough

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money to make it to the next tournament. She was
one of the best. She was one of the best
out there. And the reason I'm interviewing her is because
faux pro let me know that Ann Thomas and Wilson
is one of two inductees for twenty twenty five into
the Texas Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame. So I want
to get her story. I want to know more about her.

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We'll do that at eight thirty, and I suspect that
she's probably already away. Anybody who fished professionally and owned
a small business for fishermen for thirty seven years doesn't
sleep in. Doesn't matter what day it is, you get
just your rise up. It's kind of like me in

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a way. I love sunrises and sunsets enough that it's
very hard for me to sleep through them, even if
I've got a day off. My wife will always tell me, hey, look,
you don't have to get up early tomorrow. You can.
You can just sleep for as long as you want. Well,
what I want and what my body will let me
do are two very different things when it comes to sleep.

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It's not unusual at all for me, even if I
don't set an alarm, to wake up about the same
time every day. That The only different day for me
is Saturday, when I have to get up about an
hour earlier than I usually do to get in here
and be prepped up for the seven o'clock kickoff. But
otherwise it's it's usually I'm usually up about six thirty.

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My dad got up at four point fifteen, but that
was long before instant breakfast. It was long before instant coffee.
It was long before coffee machines that you could program
to have your coffee all hot and ready for you
when you just struggle to get into the kitchen. He
would get up and put a pot of water on
the stove and get it boiling. And I don't know

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exactly what he was doing in there at four thirty
or so, And that's just how he prepared for his
work days of most of his life. When I especially
when I was young, I remember that schedule more so
when I was young than when I was a teenager,
because I was busy trying to get myself out of
the house and my dad was he was always going

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to work before I got out of the house seven
one three two one two five seven ninety email me
Doug pick at iHeartMedia dot com. Uh. His sleeping late
days usually were the days when he and I were
going fishing on the weekends, because we'd still get up
and be out of the house by the crack of dawn.
But for him, that was getting an extra couple of

(33:32):
hours of sleep. It really was U. I had a
note here to remind you guys that if you're interested
in some very legitimately good quality a variety of hunts,
a big game hunts, of bird hunts and whatnot around
this state, the Parks and Walleife Department has these trophy

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hunts that they're called. The program is called Big Time Hunts.
And if you go to the Parks Wildlife Department website
and just type big Time Hunts into the search bar,
you'll see all the different things they have. I may
try and get somebody to come talk about it on
the show sometime, somebody from TPWD. But anyway, the bottom
line is you throw in for nine dollars. Nine bucks

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is all it's going to cost you to throw in,
and there's opportunity glore to be treated to many if
not all of these hunts are guided hunts, and they
want you to get a big animal. So you'll go
back and talk about all that to all your friends,
and then they'll throw their nine dollars in next year.
And this is just a really it's kind of a

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fundraiser for the Parks and Walleife Department, and that department
needs every dollar it can get to manage our resources
and protect I think there's more money, we have, good
money being spent wisely on wildlife management. I would like
to see the budget for enforcement and protection of those

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resources doubled. That wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. I
would love to see the Parks and Wilfe Department, game
wardens and whoever else is involved in investigating those wildlife crimes.
I wouldn't mind seeing their whole budget doubled or tripled.
If we could somehow magically make that happen, maybe the
maybe Parks and Wallet Department. I'll start entering the lottery.

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Take a shot. Two people won what four hundred and
something million dollars apiece this past week? Frankie, is that right?
When I'm here in Texas? You didn't know that? Oh yeah,
the amount was more than a billion dollars, like a
billion four something like that, and two tickets won. There
was one sold up north of here in Texas and

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then once sold somewhere else. It wasn't in my pocket,
I can assure you. But each of them take it
if they take the cash option after taxes or maybe
that's before taxas, No, that's probably after taxas. They take
that cash option. It doesn't matter when you're talking about
four hundred, like, who cares? Take some more if you want,

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just leave me a little bit, Just leave me enough
to do some real good in the world and to
enjoy the rest of my life. Speaking of enjoyment, if
you're a hunter, you'll enjoy a trip through Carter's Country.
I promise you that sixty plus years of selling guns,
AMMO and hunting stuff all over Texas. They're all over
Houston anyway, well all over the country really. Now that

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the online store is open, you can buy stuff from
anywhere you are and have it sent to you out
of Carter's Country. No sneakers, no footballs, no snorkels. Just
the stuff you need to enjoy hunting and the shooting
sports and the great outdoors. Carter's Country's got a full
service range and gunsmithing up there at the flagship store

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on Treshwood north of the Big Airport, and then two
more locations in town to make sure everybody can get
what they need before we get too deep into hunting season.
If you can't get to the store, by the way,
just go online. Go online and see all the latest
deals there. Red tag sales on hundreds of items right
now because they have to move those items in order

(37:08):
to make room for all the new merchandise that's coming
in the latest and greatest. Everything in there it's all new,
except for some of the guns. They do take guns
on consignment and buy them and resell them and whatnot,
so that's that might be something that's pre owned, But
everything else in there is all packed up and nice
and ready shiny new. Can't wait to get into a

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deer stand or a duck blind, or sitting on a
fence line of a dove field. Get what you need,
get what you want, both at the same place, by
the way. Range Day, September twenty seventh, twenty seventh Range Day,
September twenty seventh, Up there at the trash Week store.
I didn't want to forget that. There will be dozens
of gun makers and other and optics people and all

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kinds of hunting related gear out there alongside the people
who make it and understand it and can explain it
to you. At Carter's Country on Saturday. No, I think
it's yeah, I want to say it's a Saturday, September
twenty seventh. I'll have to do that. What's today the thirteenth,
thirteen and fourteen twenty seven? Yes, sir, range Day, Saturday,

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September twenty seven. Except, come on, Doug, you haven't been
gone that long. Saturday, September twenty seventh at Carter's Country.
Carterscountry dot Com is that website. You can find out
all about it there, Carters Country dot Com seven point
fifty two on Sports Talk seven ninety The Doug Pike Show.

(38:38):
Thank you for listening. Certainly do appreciate it. Well, we've
got a lot of stuff going on. We've got dove
season openings, We've got what else, teal season on the horizon.
We have got everything about to just bust wide open.
If you're a hunter, this is a special time of year.

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If you're a hunter and a fishermen, this is a
very special time of year because you have to start
making decisions. Which way do I go. Do I have
a really hot spot for teal, is that where I'm going?
Or do I punt and go fishing because the wind
laid down, you know, on a dead calm day, that'd
be a tough call whether to go teal hunting or

(39:23):
fishing or well, yeah, I think I'd go fishing. I
really would. I think I can work around dead calm
for fishing a little bit better than maybe I can
for the birds. I want a little breeze. I want
a little bit of water. I mean a little bit
of wind when I'm going fishing. And if I can't

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get it, I don't know. Maybe I'll go sit under
a tree and shoot a dove. There's just so many
It's just a good time to be alive, it really is.
I love doing what I do and being able to
go outdoors and see all that good stuff. I truly
do seven one three two one two five seven ninety
Email me Dougpike at iHeartMedia dot com. I'll type something

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in here real quick. I want to take a look
at something. Yeah, yeah, we're I wanted to confirm a
couple of things By the way, I heard some discussion
out at the Sporting Clay shoot about what gauge shotgun
to shoot for doves? What do you shoot for doves?
I heard There was a table kind of caddy cornered

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for me while I was eating breakfast, and the consensus
was most of the guys liked shooting twenty gauges. There
was a couple. There were a couple of guys who
who have twenty eights. And if you've got a twenty
eight gage shotgun, there's a good chance you already have

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several twelves, several twenties, and maybe even a backup twenty eight.
You might have a side by side twenty like I've got.
You might have a number of shotguns. If you've got
a twenty eight, that's not your only shotgun, so at
least you have choices. Well, when you can find the
AMMO and it's getting a little bit easier, the rush

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for buying up all the shells you could find is
over that. I think I may need to get Jerry
and JTK on the phone one day soon here and
talk about how they got through that AMMO shortage we
all experienced a while back. But I'm still I'm still
one to shoot at least a twenty and maybe the twelve,

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depending on how high the birds are going to be.
As far as dove season goes, I'm not even really
a big fan of shooting twenties for waterfowl unless you've
got someone who's smaller framed and not quite so strong
and needs just that little bit less recoil than a
twelve gage. We'll knock you around with with especially with

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waterfowl loads. But for doves, I think even well, I
was gonna say even pheasant hunting, I don't do a
lot of it, but I've done enough of it now
I'm still gonna go back to twelve for pheasant. That's
a big bird. It's a big, strong bird, and there's
no reason to not put those extra few pellets into

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that shot string to make sure that that bird falls
down dead when it hits the ground. You don't want
to have to chase these birds all over the place,
even with good dogs. If you can't go pick up
your birds, you're gonna lose some of it. And I
hate that, I really do. I've had to go into
some pretty thick stuff to get doves out of cover.

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I've had to spend fifteen twenty minutes focused on a
single spot trying to find a bird in what from
where I sat when I shot, looked like pretty open ground. Oh,
it'll be easy to find that bird. I'm not going
to worry about it. And then you walk out there
and it's tough. The hardest dove finding I ever did

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was in a bone, dry bone, dry picked cotton field.
Because there's the dirt looks like a dove color, the
dried up sticks and whatnot look like it. The white
little pieces of cotton all through there make you turn
your head. It's crazy. Let me go grab David here

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real quick. He's got one quick question. What's up, David?

Speaker 9 (43:28):
Yeah, real quick question, Doug. I'm just thinking you were
talking about pat shotguns. I'm not much of a bird hunter,
but I know with a rifle you can buy two
different three different brands of the same caliber and it
will shoot differently in your gun. Is that true for
shotgun shelves? Can you buy? Will every brand of number
sixes or eight pattern in your shotgun the same way?

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And I'll hang up you hang me up.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
In the Yeah. Yeah, I've got about a minute or
so to knock this out. Uh, the shotgun doesn't isn't
nearly as particular because you're not shooting a projectile. You're
shooting hundreds of them, depending on what gauge you're shooting,
and so the way you change that is with choke tubes,

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and they are I don't think it really matters as much.
Now you're gonna get different might get a little bit
different pattern patterning out of a different muscle velocity with
the same choke and different shotgun well, different muscle velocities.
But I really don't think that I would worry about

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that so much. It's just making sure that the gun
is throwing a clean pattern and the shot shells you're
using or putting pellets into all the spaces. That's the key,
and that's why to cite in a shotgun, you just
put up a big piece of butcher paper and draw
a thirty inch circle and shoot and from about thirty

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yards and you'll get an idea where your pellets are going.
I'll get into some of that maybe a little later.
That'd be a good thing to go go deeper on.
I'm up against time here, but we'll talk about it.
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starts right now. Thank you for listening. Certainly do appreciate it.
As I mentioned at the all on set of this program,
before I got into my lengthy explanation of what I

(46:04):
did on my summer vacation, I mentioned also that in
this moment I'm gonna be talking to a man named
Chris Hodge, for whom uh from taking Vegas dot Com,
which is coming in behind my show for the rest
of this football season and maybe a little bit longer.
Who knows. Let me, let me push a button and
we will magically connect. Oom. Right there, Chris Hodge, what's

(46:26):
up my friend Doug On? Man?

Speaker 10 (46:30):
I missed you. Man. Yeah, man, this is crazy. I'm
so glad to be back KBM back with you and
let's have some fun with this.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, let's have a little fun. Well, first of all,
what's what I know? What I mean? You guys are
pretty straight up You're you're looking at an analysis and
statistics and all this from all these games. But what's
with these sites where you can bet on what color
shoelaces somebody's gonna wear.

Speaker 10 (47:00):
Yeah, listen, that's just for the sports books to make
some extra money. We have stayed on the show with that.
You're here in the next hour. Ye Sports Investors Daily.

Speaker 8 (47:08):
We have said the easiest bet is straight up side
or straight up total quality is what color the gatorade is,
who's going to score the first touchdown?

Speaker 10 (47:20):
All nonsense. It is all designed to get your money.
It's like, you know what this is. I don't know
if you guys have this down to Texas. In New York,
we have these red light cameras.

Speaker 8 (47:28):
It's just a scam to get people's.

Speaker 10 (47:30):
Money, that's all it is. So all the Pauli's are
the same thing.

Speaker 8 (47:34):
Man.

Speaker 10 (47:35):
You can't win when you paul. If I can hit
fourteen Paulies every night, I would do it. It's impossible to win.
But straight up, straight up, you can win.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, if you know what you're doing and if you're
getting good advice from good sources.

Speaker 10 (47:47):
Right, absolutely so. And that's what we do. And look,
we work. We work on busts of If you know this,
you and I have met numerous times. I've been down there. Man.
We work so hard at trying to find just any
edge we can in a particular game. And you know,
ninety percent of the people out there, you know, they're
working a good life Monday through Friday. They're commuting, they're traveling,

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they're dealing with their families, which is always most important.
They sit down on Saturday and Sunday they just want
a better football game and win some money. But they
really have no idea who was going to win. And
that's what we do. That's how we consult and We've
been doing it for twenty years at a high level,
and uh, I think I got about ten years left
and I'm going to call it a day. But while
I have those ten years left, you take advantage of it.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
You got I want to know your opinion, your straight
up opinion about the Texans. Are they going to be
any good this year?

Speaker 10 (48:35):
I think so. You know, when we beginning of the season,
we said they were going to win the division. They
were like plus one ten. We didn't expect them to
win that opening game against the Ramscuse the someplace to
play on Open Day. But I still believe the Texans
are the best team in that division. I believe that
a most well coached team in that division. You know,
got a couple of big division games coming up after

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Tampa Bay, you got Jacksonville and Tennessee and then a
tough gamegainst the Ravens. But I think as C. J.
Stroud settles in, obviously have a very good defense, again,
a very good coach. I think as the season settles in,
the you know, Creamor's rises to the top. And I
do believe that Houston is the best team in that division.
So I believe Houston will indeed win that division. I

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actually think they're gonna win it pretty easily. I think
just you know, they are caught about a Rams week one.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
No shame, there, no shame at all. So, uh, Chris
Hodge from taking Vegas dot Com here, So can you
say the same thing that Houston's going to win the
division in Major League Baseball right now?

Speaker 10 (49:33):
You see, we were having such a peaceful conversation. Man,
this was fun, and you gotta bring this stuff fun.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Today.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Man, they're what are they tied? Or maybe I don't
know what Seattle ended up doing yesterday? But many got one. Okay,
so there's still hot.

Speaker 10 (49:48):
You know that the Rangers are hot right now. But
when the Rangers got the Mets this weekend, they scored
six runs before the gram even took the mound last night.
Because the Mets are so bad. You know that's gonna
come down to probably the last week of the season obviously.
And you know, Seattle's got the Angels right now. Seattle's
playing really good baseball. But I believe in a week
or so, you know, Seattle goes to Houston and that's

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gonna be a monster series. It's a three game set,
so that's gonna be a monster series. And Houston also
got to deal with Texas. So really, you know it's
in Houston's hands. You know, you take care of the
series against Texas, you take care of the series against Seattle,
you're gonna win that division. You don't take care of
those things, you're not gonna win that division. And I
hope and this is this is how I endeared myself

(50:34):
to the kd Amy crowd down there. I hope you
guys don't win the division. I'm stick of dealing with
you guys in the playoff from a Yankees fan, and
I want you guys out, So I hope you guys
don't win the division.

Speaker 8 (50:49):
You the hate mail, the hate mail that's gonna thought
coming in right now.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
You and I have had this friendly rival. Were you
the Yankees fan? Me the Astros fan? For so long?
And it just goes to show you and we are?
We are? We should be the post your children for
both sides, two opposing sides getting along. You know what
I'm talking about? Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 8 (51:11):
I do.

Speaker 10 (51:12):
And that's I'm not gonna say too much because this
is a sports show, but sure, that's where we are
in our country. That is just a terrible thing. It
is a great thing that we have the freedom to
have differing opinions. That's fine, that's a great thing. But
have enough respect for the other differing opinion, learn something
from it, and move forward amicably. Don't move forward like

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we witnessed three days ago, which is one of the
most terrible acts that I've ever seen in my life.
And I'm going to leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, let's just walk. I've talked about it all week
on fifty plus. That's enough of that, So let just
shift gears a little bit. You got the ryder gup
coming to your backyard, don't you, Chris.

Speaker 10 (51:51):
That Ryder cup is about a minute away from my house.
My son, my son is actually working it as an EMT,
and you know he's gonna be Donald Trump is going
to be there the first day, and I know my
son will be around with him. So that's a really
he's really excited about that.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Sure.

Speaker 10 (52:10):
I think I hate to say this because I mean,
this is like, how do you do this?

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Right?

Speaker 10 (52:15):
I think I think Europe is a good bet in net.
I mean, Europe is plus one fifty. I believe they
have the better players now I say that, you say this,
I am personally not betting that because there's a few
instances throughout the year where I want to root and
I don't want to have money on it, and that
happens two or three times a year. I want to

(52:36):
root for the USA. I'm proud of my country. I
love my country. I want to see the USA win.
I'm not betting against US now. If it was soccer,
I bet against the USA because we suck at soccer, boys,
and we'll see what happens. But I do think I
do think Europe at plus one fifty is actually the
value play there. I'm not going to bet it, but

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I think that's the value play.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Yew.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Let's go back to just the nuts and bolts of
your industry. What's the biggest mistake that people who don't
know much about sports wagering make when they roll into
Lake Charles and go into that sports book and just say, Okay,
I want to, I want to, I want to make
a BET's what's the dumbest thing they do.

Speaker 10 (53:20):
I mean, I don't have enough time in this interview
to explain all of that, but I'll just give you, Hey, look,
it's the Paulies you know, math is math. Sports books
are making billions with a B. I know I have
an accent, so people can't really understand what I'm saying there.
But billions with a B and eighty five percent of
their money is on Paulies and what they're doing. And

(53:41):
the customers out there are hearing a really bad message
because every time one guy wins a ten dollar Paulie
that pays a million dollars, they post it all over
social media. Sure they don't tell you that two million
people just lost every Pauli they had. Yeah, and right
now the sports books this I can't believe, and I
speak about this on Sports Investors Daily. The customers are

(54:04):
actually right now betting what the sports books tell them
to bet.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (54:09):
And I cannot understand that. And I know you guys,
it's not legal down there. You don't have FanDuel, you
don't have DraftKings, better Bridge, which is the best way
to do it. That's what we recommend to our clients.
The sports books are giving now fourteen Paulay's that people
have no chance to win, and they're actually betting them.

(54:31):
So again, it goes back to what I said about
five minutes ago. If you bet straight bets and totals
just straight up you have you can have success if
you bet Paulay's and you need four or five games
a day, man, don't do it because you're not going
to win and you're gonna get hurt. And we don't
want to see people lose their money or anything else.
Like we're trying to treat this as a business and

(54:53):
an investment.

Speaker 11 (54:53):
And Doug, I've been on with you guys, what two
thous like sixteen. I've been on with you guys for
a long time. My message has never changed. I haven't
brought into the Pauli's, the prop bets. My message has
never changed. That with strategy that with patients, don't bet money.

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You can't afford to lose. And if you do it
that way and you win a decent percentage was like
sixty percent, you can make money and you got have
fun doing it. So you just got to stay away
from the Paulies.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
All right, So sports investors daily, at what ten o'clock today,
we've had two nine o'clock starts back to back, didn't you?

Speaker 10 (55:34):
That was the Texas Longhorns, right twelve o'clock push back
a little, but you know, We're happy to be back on.

Speaker 12 (55:41):
You know.

Speaker 10 (55:41):
Unfortunately last year we couldn't be on due to not
because we didn't want to, but because you know the
way sports gamblers.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Oh yeah, they got mess that had to be cleaned up.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
We got legal clearance.

Speaker 10 (55:54):
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Speaker 10 (56:13):
But Doug, you have my promise anyone from Houston, Man,
I'll always take care of you guys. I'll always go
above and beyond to help you. You guys have been
great to me, and it's only fair if I give
it back my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Man, if I can get you down here again, I'll
take you out and play some golf so you can.

Speaker 10 (56:27):
Take some money from me like you did the last
time we played.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Right.

Speaker 10 (56:31):
You hustled me, Man, You hustled me. I put my
first drive into a house.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
You can't hustle a hustler. I know that.

Speaker 10 (56:39):
Yeah, I was gonna get chased by boars and alligators.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Man with that, I still, man, I got some more
alligators down here. If you want to come down and
see one up close, I promise you I'll send you
a video on a little bit.

Speaker 10 (56:52):
I want nothing to do with alligators and snakes. You
guys have a good time.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Down there, all right, all right, Chris, thanks buddy, it's
great talking as always. Man, I dug yes soon there audios.
Holy cow. Yeah, that's an energetic guy right there, an
energetic guy. He was so glad that he called me,
I don't know how many couple about three four months
ago he said, Man, we're coming back. We're ready. Everything's

(57:17):
been cleared. And he wasn't in any trouble. Just his
industry was in trouble, is what it was. And all
of that is he was. He had nothing to do
with the problems. He just had to wait till some
stuff settled out. And it's settled out and he's back,
and I'm so glad to have him here because he's
a really good dude. And like he said, we go back.

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Probably it's getting close to twenty years. It's at least.
It might be eighteen. Now I was thinking it was
fifteen or sixteen, but it might be eighteen, maybe even more.
I don't know. Longtime relationship with that guy. He does
take care of you guys. I promise you just tell him.
I tell him my stinch. I don't get anything for that,
but he'll get a kick out of that. Tell him.
Tell him you can put him on a big alligator

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if he wants to come down that will he'll know
that I he'll know that I put you up to it.
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety Email
me Dougpike at iHeartMedia dot com. We'll take a little
break here and on the way out, I'll tell you
about Shooter's Corner. That's Jerry and JTK down there at
Palmer Highway in twenty ninth Street in Texas City. Got
beautiful new and pre owned firearms, handguns, shotguns, rifles, all

(58:27):
of them. They make amazing custom rifles if you're interested
in one of those. It's an old school gun store,
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gonna take time to make sure you get exactly what
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get out and enjoy the shooting sports more tomorrow than
you did today. It's a very simple concept, and it's
worked for forty something like forty five years. I guess

(58:49):
it is now. I don't know. Shooter's Corner is gonna
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The Shooters Corner t X dot com is a website.
Go check it out. Tell Jerry and Jay or anybody
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Jerry and JTK and the whole crew down there, the
shooters Corner TX dot com, The shooters Corner TX dot com.
All right, welcome back to Doug Pike Show. Thank you
for listening. Certainly, do appreciate that. Let me see what

(59:33):
I've gotten next on my page just over here's all
kinds of stuff going on. Got that, got that. Talked
a little bit about the Ryder Cup two weeks now
from now at Bethpage Black up in New York. Chris
Hides likes the European team. If you're if you're gonna
roll over there and watch the tournament from Louisiana and
one of the sports bars. I yeah, I'm kind of

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with him. I couldn't root against our home team against
our country in the Ryder Cup. I think that would
be horrible. And that's that's another reason I have never
really been a sports better. I just I don't, you know.
I'll buy I'll buy squares for the Super Bowl. There'll
be something here at the office, and if I end
up at a party, there's always a squares deal there.

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But other than that, I just never got into that,
and I don't understand it. And I'm smart enough to
know that if you don't understand something, it's probably not
gonna go your way. I do believe what Chris was talking,
what he was saying about parlays. He said, I used
to hear guys in the office talking about that, how
they had this three or four or five or six

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game parlay going, and man I hit four of them
and then it just it just fell apart, all right,
you know, lost in the first game, and that's just
like he said that if you're gonna, if you're gonna wager,
wager on something that at least you have a fifty
to fifty shot at if you've got to be right
five or six times, sure the payout's big because the

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odds if you win it are nearly nil seven one
three two one two five seven ninety Email on me
Dougpieke atiheartmedia dot com. I want to bring up something
I found. I'm trying to remember exactly who told me
about this. It's escaping me now, but I know what
it is, and it's an interesting thing if you have

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young children, or if you have grandchildren who are being
raised kind of kind of in the city, where they
don't get much exposure to things outdoors, where they don't
get to to play in the mud, they don't get
to climb a tree, they don't get to do much
of anything outside of your own yard. Whatever that gives them,

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whatever opportunities are there, it's a concept that I'm fascinated by.
And now that I'm back in the saddle, I've got
a I'm gonna make a note here. Wild. There's a
place called Wild School. They have their own website. It's
easy to find and what they do. It was started

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not that long ago. I think they're in their first year,
maybe second ne by now. But they have very carefully
crafted sessions with young children as young as I think,
I want to say, three, and maybe a little bit
older than that, up to about twelve, where they have
locations around town where these kids get exposed to nature.

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They get dirt under their fingernails if it's if it's rainy,
they're gonna get wet. Now, they're not gonna get They're
not gonna be made uncomfortable, and they're not gonna be
You don't get sick from rain. A lot of people
I hear a lot of people that don't go out
in the cold rain you'll catch a cold. Well, you
have as good a chance to catch it a cold
in the dry heat as you do in the wet cold.

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Of catching a cold, you have to be near the
cold virus. In any event, they have these cool classes
where very supervised from an adult standpoint, but very free
for the kids, where they get to explore and and

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like I said, just jump in mud puddles and just
they tell the parents who sign up for these things
right up front. They're probably gonna come home dirty. That's
it's a very good bet they're gonna come home dirty.
So they encourage the parents to pack a couple of
changes of clothes for the kids and everything they can do.
And they're they're very short sessions, a few hours each.

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It's long enough to be well worth the money they charge.
I think they should charge double what they do, frankly,
but it's it's a really fantastic program for parents who,
for whatever their reasons might be, don't really have a
lot of time to take their children places and do
things like this. They don't have a place to take
them now once you've gone to the school a few

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times that the most of their classes take place in
public parks, So that's not that hard to figure out.
If you wanted to take them back, you could. But
it's a really well structured thing and that people behind it,
everybody I've talked to over there is just fantastic. And now,
like I say, now that i'm back in back in
the saddle here, I'm going to I'm going to get

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them on the air and have them do a good
full interview on fifty plus that I'll probably replay here
because I want anybody and everybody who might be interested
to know about this opportunity, and it really is a
great opportunity. Seven one three two one two five seven nine.
Email me Doug Pike at iHeartMedia dot com. I tell
you what. We're going to take this break a little
bit early because coming up next we're going to talk

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to Ann Thomas and Wilson, who is one of just
two people. And if you're a bass fisherman, you'll wreck
not recognize Anne's name unless you live up in East Texas.
But the other nominee I'll talked about, I'll talk about
during my conversation with her is a name that most
people who have been serious about bass fishing for at

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least five years, they'll either know the name or maybe
have been lucky enough to get a chance to shake
his hand. I ran into this guy, I don't know,
a dozen times back when I was covering all of
that for the paper. But anyway, we're gonna be talking
to Anne Thomason and her her story, I believe is
gonna be a pretty interesting one, and I'm very happy

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to have her coming on next we'll take this break.
I'm gonna tell you about Berry Hill, Baja Grill, down
there in sugar Land. Guess where I got my wife's
dinner last night, Berry Hill. If she, if she had
her way, she'd probably eat there four nights a week.
She likes it, she likes she has, she knows exactly
what she wants. She's a little slow to change. I've

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started branching out and getting different things off the menu,
and I'm always glad I did. No matter what I've
chosen so far, it's always been delicious. I'm fond of
the fish tacos. I'm fond of the seafood in Juladas.
My wife prefers chicken dishes. But they have traditional tex
mex food that's been cooked by the same two primary

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cooks in the kitchen, each of them have been there
more than a decade. It's a very consistent product, a
delicious product, and it's a very old school, family style restaurant.
Nobody all dressed up, no tablecloths, it's just going. There's
boosting tables to the left kind of the family area,
there's a sports bar of the right, and then there's
outdoor dining when the weather's good, which it probably would

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be this evening. Actually been there thirty plus years, family
owned and operated. They cater all over town. By the way,
our office manager came to me on Thursday and said,
I need Wendy's number. I need to call her. We're
going to host another lunch here that I want Berry
Hill to Berry Hill sugar Land. There on fifty nine

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right at Sugar Creek Boulevard on boundside, on the northbound
side of fifty nine at Sugar Creek, Berryhillsugarland dot com,
Berryhillsugarland dot com. Hey, thirty nine On Sports Talk seven
ninety The Dougpike Show, We're running little bit late, trying
to get this one going. How did it get so late?
Frankie mile Month, We're gonna We're gonna blow right through

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this one. We'll make up whatever we have to make up,
because I've got somebody important I want to talk to,
and this would be Anne Thomas and Wilson. Go ahead
and queue her up. Let's go. You got it for me? Hey, Ann,
How are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
Oh? I'm fine here, you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
I'm back in the saddle. I took a week off.
I did a little fishing, I did a little of this,
a little of that, and just so you'll understand what
I know about fishing. After I played golf yesterday, I
dropped a worm into a spot off of brill little
tiny bridge straight down. I knew the fish would be there,
absolutely knew it. But I didn't expect to catch what

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I caught, and that was one that was about seven
and a half or eight. It was nice.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Oh my goodness, how about that. That is a miracle.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Congratulation, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I appreciate that. I am talking to Ann Thomas and Wilson,
owner and operator pretty much chief cook and bottle washer
too at ADS Tackle Shop for nearly forty years up
there in Jasper and an East Texas legend. I suppose
when it comes to fishing up that way.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Huh, absolutely absolutely fish it is. Yeah, when it seems
just to be fun, you need to go home and
short knitting, and I don't know how to knit one
and turl too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Let's talk about this honor that you've got cooking here,
this induction alongside Rick Klon into the Texas fresh Water
Fisheries Hall of Fame. Did you was that something you
much you thought about during your fifty plus years in
the freshwater fishing world.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Never dreamed about it. I just went and done my thing.
Enjoyed it, and and Jared working with the kids was
the most important thing to young folks. But I never
dreamed about a hall of fame.

Speaker 10 (01:09:20):
My goodness, how about that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Yeah, you know? And I bet you there were a
whole lot of people talking about it and not telling
you about it when they were putting all this together.
So let's go back, way, way, way, way way back.
Who introduced you to fishing?

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Oh, my goodness, I think my other my older brother,
he's two years older than me, Howard Grinner, and he
would take me fishing down at a little sandy creek
right here in jasper In town. We fished under the
bridge down there and called hello, Bitty Park. We came
home and my mom and grandmother cooked up forest and

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the whole thing. They were full of bones.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Did you take the fishing right away? You kind of
knew you loved it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Absolutely. I used to play don't you tell this? Don't
tell this? But I played hooky from school and went fishing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
I don't think there's anybody around anymore who's gonna come
back and get mad at you for that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Ann Oh my, well, they didn't, they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Well, I'll tell you as long as we're sharing secrets. Yeah,
I may have done that once or twice too. There
you go. Let's fast forward a little bit, okay, a
little bit. When you got into competitive fishing, you turned pro?
What in nineteen seventy is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Well, back in the seventies, and we had like a
like a local bath club, you know, and we I
think I'm pushing buttons.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
No, you're fine.

Speaker 12 (01:10:50):
Okay, don't hold it so close to the think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Oh, no, you're fine. Don't whoever's telling you don't do anything.
Just do whatever you're doing, because you're coming through loud
and clear.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Kah, I'm coming through that. Okay. Uh dolly? Where were
we playing hooky? From school?

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Going fishing, getting into tournament fishing tournaments?

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Oh, in my tournament fishing, we had started a ladies
baths club. Uh, the men always had one, you know
which course ladies decided and it was by you back
and yells out of Lake Charles. And they were a
whole bunch of friends of then. So they invited me
to join them, and we did, and so it just
graduated from there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Were you able to were you did?

Speaker 10 (01:11:35):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Did you start tournament fishing because you knew that you
could win their money, or you thought you could win
their money.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Now it was the competition. A boat raced raced boats
back in my earlier days, and the competition huh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
What kind of what kind of boat were you racing? Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
The little like the little high gros we have now,
you know, with a modified mark twenty on the back
of it. We had U. Yeah, we ran our husband's rigs,
but they made us wait and run them last, so
we wouldn't tell the boats of them not be able
to compete. So we had the paddles. We had the

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paddlepuff division.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Which was all the white Oh my word, a.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Way I've always letten competitive though.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
So let's move out of that and get to the store.
At what point did you think it was a great
idea to open up a tackle shop and tackle shop there?
And Jesper, Well, the.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Funny thing about it. I went to my banker and
I asked him if I could bar fifteen hundred dollars
and he said for what? And I said, I want
to buy that little tackle shop up there, And he said,
oh no, miss An, I wouldn't do that if I
was you. They've had two or three owners and none
of them ever made it and I said, yeah, but
that I said, yeah, but that ain't me and he said, well,

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if you insist, and so he did, and that time
went and paid them and I started it. And it's
just been a wonderful, wonderful experience.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
I'm sure it has. I can't imagine anybody being more
qualified to run a tackle store than you were. You
able to keep fishing tournaments after you got the store up.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
And running, Oh yeah, I had people that worked it on.
I still traveled and went and fished turnaments, you know.
And I think one of the best one and one
of the most I remember the most is the Hudson
River at Catskill, New York. That's when I won that.
I want a boat up there. I had to hitch
hike at home. There was a man walked up. I

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literally hitch hiked it back to Louisiana with one of
the rip service trucks and then we went over and
picked it up over there. But I had a man
walk up too many. He said, I know you just
won that boat, and yall y'all, they flew y'all up here.
So oh, he said, and let you off. I'll give
you twelve thousand dollars I said, yeah, I guess you would.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Oh man, did you do a lot of research on
the lakes you were going to fish? If it was
if it was brand new water to you? Did you
do a bunch of research before? There wasn't any internet
back then, So how did you figure out how you
were going to approach a lake and come back?

Speaker 10 (01:14:27):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
No, where'd you go? She might have pushed another button.
I bet you'll be back in a minute. You know what, Frankie,
we could do. Let's do a quick break and disconnect
and reconnect. Oh there you're back, and yeah, let's disconnect

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Phoenix Knives dot com is a website. Phoenix knives dot
com hard. I'm not going to waste time with a
lot of music here. I am as a fisherman, I
am not one to let a big one get away,
and so I'm going to get Ann back on the

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phone here. Tikety click, click boom. I got you, what
the heck? I got had you all the had you
all the way to the boat in and you pulled
the hook. What was going on except the hook? Yeah,
So let's get back. Let's get back into that tournament fishing.
This is what I was going to ask you. Did
you do a lot of research on the lakes you

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were going to fish going into a tournament that you'd
never if you'd never been on that water.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Absolutely. If I didn't have a map or I called
a chamber of commerce in that town and ask them
where to get one, I ordered one. I did my homework.
I looked at areas that I like to fish on,
the labor or coves and this and that. When I
got there, I kind of had a game plan already
in place.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Yeah, you have to, don't you? You have to? Hey,
I got a question for you. What do you think?
And forward facing sonar.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
I don't know this new modern stuff is not I
was out of it before all of that come in.
The forward facing I don't think it's right. I think
that we need to use our skills. Yeah, like we
did back when we started. I mean you could have
another circuit or something and not use that. I mean

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we didn't have all that, and we had just as
much fun, you know, and called just asn't any fish.
But it's called using your basic skills.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Well, it takes a long time to learn. And I
think what it is with young people a little bit
is that this they don't want to take the time.
And I heard somebody say, a young person come back
from fishing one time and he was asked by his dad,
he said, did you catch anything? And they said, no,
we never saw one, never made a cast because they

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didn't see a fish. Like, that's not how I fish.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Well, I don't think that's right. I think, you know,
don't bang up on them. I mean, my goodness, figure
out how to catch them and then catch them and
fish against the fish. My word here, I like, don't
fish against me, don't fish against the competitor, Eddie. He
ain't gonna beat you. It's gonna be the fish that's
gonna beat you. So you got to learn how to

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catch them fish and then you will beat the competitior.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Yes, indeed, did you have a go to kind of
a fallback technique? If or lower type? If you go,
let's say, plan A, plan A on the day is
not working, but you always know that you can catch
fish doing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
What I had two lures, one of them with blue
blue and the other one was sudden, and then I
worm fish, but the worm was really my favorite. But
blue Blue was a trigger bait. Okay, it was saved
by heading, and it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Was a chugger.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
It was a clear one. And blue blue was my
sudden I mean, sudden was my baby Ta teat in
not cant and yeah, chrome glop in sudden and then
my worms.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Tell me about your best memory from tournament fishing? Es,
why best memory from tournament fishing?

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
You're talking about weight?

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Yeah, I'll take that. What was your biggest what was
your biggest sack of fish?

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Oh my gosh, I don't remember. That's when something down.
My lord, you're stretching the brain.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Now that's fair enough. Let's just leave it at this.
How about you, if if we'd have had all day
to think of this, you could have said enough to win?
How about that? That's your answer if anybody ever asked
you again?

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
So what about when?

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Who was who was the most famous person who ever
walked into ANNs Tackle Shop? I know you must have
had some pretty big names in bass fishing come through there.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Absolutely well. Of course, I had the Jimmy Houston's and
christ Houston's and Bill Dance and wow, uh oh, I
mean on and on and on and huh you said
you were trying to tell me. Okay, Oh, I was

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trying to think now, uh, golly, the governor of Texas,
Oh wow, down. Yeah. And now she didn't actually come
in the shop, but they asked me to go out
to the lake and do pictures with her.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Fantastic were promoted.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
They were promoting the lake and promoting fishing, and so
she came, was invited, and she came, and I went
up to the boat ramp and we leaned down and showed,
you know, the hatchery was there, and brought some figh
in a bucket. I showed her how to Yeah, we
squatted down right at the edge of the water, and

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I showed her how to scoop him up with both
hands and lay them over in the water. And we
watched a little five, you know, swim off.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Just cross your fingers and hope they survive.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
Huh they did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
I'm sure they did.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
We put it up in there. After we'd done that,
they poured the bucket pull over in there. So some
of them made it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
You know, they did. They can get away from anything
if there's enough.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
Of them mercy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Then now you're going into the fresh Water Fishing Hall
of Fame. With Rick Klan. Have you had the opportunity
to meet him or fish with him at all?

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Yeah, but I know him, yes, and he's a fine gentleman.
It's well, so then I could congratulate him and it'll
be nice to see him and his family again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Never fish with him, probably because he didn't want to
get in there and get whipped by a girl. You know,
you could have. I bet you could outfished him on
a good day.

Speaker 8 (01:21:58):
Hunh.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
It depends on what I tell you. What Hey, it
would probably be a pass. But he's one of the
best that ever was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Well so are you, and so are you. You could
have got that little blue bloop out and took him.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
To town, you know, absolutely blue blue for sudden, I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Gotta go find I gotta go look that baite up. Honestly,
I I go all the way. I started bass fishing
in the seventies as a as a pretty young guy,
and I never I've never seen that lure. So I'm
gonna go look it up as soon as we hang up,
I promise you, I'm gonna go. Okay, oh okay, yeah,
oh that's what you nicknamed it. Okay, now I know

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what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
Yeah, it's a it's a chuggle, but you know it's
flat on the front.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Yeah, favorite color, favorite color, and.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
Yeah, different colors. My best one was clear on that one,
and sudden was my baby torpee. Do you know what baby?

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Oh, yes, I certainly do. I still have some in
the garage, guarantee it somewhere. I don't know if I
could put hands on one, but they're in there. Oh
my god.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
It was always Yeah, the girls would always tease about
what are you throwing a sudden? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Well, Ann Thomas and Wilson. It has been a pleasure
talking to you, It really has. I'm so glad and
unhappy for you that you finally get the recognition you
deserve for being such a force in fresh water fishing
all over East Texas. There's a lot of people who
know who you are, and they're all they're all rooting
for you and cheering for you. And congratulations on that

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hall of fame.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
Thank you so much. Appreciate my place the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
If I get up in Jasper anytime soon, I'm gonna
I'm gonna find you. I don't know where I'll find you,
but I'll find you. Oh okay, all right, good heavens
we got to take another little break here. That was
so fun, man. I would I would love to just
sit down and over maybe a chicken fried steak or something,

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and just have dinner with her. I'm buying and talk
to her about fishing. When she said blue Bloop, it
sounded like it was the name of the Lord. But
now I understand it's a chugger, and I did have
plenty of those. So now I'm set. I'm gonna go.
I may just go find one. I think I know
where to look in my garage, find one, and throw
it either this afternoon or tomorrow afternoon of late in

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Anne's honor out there on that golf course. Lake Boy.
I got a story about that too when I get back.
I was a little disconcerted yesterday when I saw something
out there, and I don't know what caused it, but
it's not a good thing. Riceland Waterfowl Club is a
good thing, however, right there in Eagle Lake. One of
the finest water fowling operations in Texas has been for

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fifty years. Riceland's owned by David Pruitt, Champion duck caller,
Champion goose caller, and he works year round to make
sure all his members. It's only members and guests who
get to hunt out there. He's got a couple of
spots he hunts himself on, but everybody out there who
is a member, they've got a group leader, and that

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group leader picks several spots each time you want to
go hunting on that date you want to go hunting,
and his system is set up so that over the
course of the season, your group, the next group, the
group after that, all the groups get just about the
same number of first choices, second choices, and third choices,

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and however far down it goes, depending on how crowded
it is on the day you want to go out
there and hunt. If you have your six man groups,
that's how it's based. And if only two of the
people in your group are going that day, you can
fill that blind up with friends and family for no
extra cars. It just it's six people a day, and

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as long as there's at least one team member, one
group member, and you can fill the other spots however
you like. All the thousands of acres of water, all
their blinds a quarter mile apart, and no guided hunting
whatsoever on that land, all that water, all those birds
and just members in their guests out there and join it.

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And these these are easy to get. Two blinds too.
You're not gonna have to own a four wheeler. You
don't have to hire people to schlep all your stuff
in and out. You can drive right up to the
blind in most cases, especially in a four wheeler. There
are some you can just roll up to in a
pickup truck if you're hunting. Wasn't great this past season.
And I bet a lot of hands go in the
air when I say that. If you're a duck hunter

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and you like ducks, check out Riceland Waterfowl Club out
there in Eagle Lake. You'll be glad you did. Riceland
Waterfowl Club dot com. Ricelandwaterfowl Club dot com nine oh
three on Sports Talk seven to ninety third out of
the program, third and final starts. Now, Holy cow, I
wonder what Ann's doing now that she's completely retired. Sounds

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like she's having a good time. She certainly doesn't sound
low on energy, so she's had a chance to rest up.
But she's, like I talked about very early this morning,
she's probably a lot like me and most of the
people in this audience. It's hard to sleep past sunrise.
It really is. We just have this internal clock, that
the internal alarm that goes off whether we like it

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or not. Damn weight. Hen she sounds adorable. I bet
she is. That's like, I'm not kidding. I would love
to go up there and just find some diner somewhere
her favorite restaurant, buyer dinner, sit across the table from her,
and just listen to her talk about fishing that she is.
She deserves every accolade she gets, and that induction into
that Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame is certainly well deserved.

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I got an email before I get to the golf stuff,
and there's not really a lot going on. There is
the where did it go here? Hold on the Pro
Corps Championship out in Napa this weekend. I'll get to
a leaderboard in a second. I got an email this
past week from Grandpa Jeff out in Baytown. He emailed

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me a while back asking where to take his granddaughter
to get her her first fish, where to how to
do it, what, debate with all of the things that
he needed to know and didn't feel like he was
comfortable with to get her started in fishing. And he
sent me a video of her reeling in what I

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think may have been her first fish. I'm not really sure,
but one way or the other, we swapped those emails
and it worked, and I'm thrilled. He says, fishing's about
all she wants to do anymore. Mission accomplished, Grandpa, Jeff,
Well done man. I wrote back that after a few
more perch sessions under quarks, say he's got her fishing

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a little old roden reel and she's old enough to
handle it, not like she's young young, but she handled
her rod and reel pretty well. And so now it's
time to get a few more of those trips in
and get her accustomed to catching trying to catch a
little bit bigger sunfish under that cork. But then it's

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time to start dropping a bait to the bottom and
letting her wrestle of catfish. And the fun part about
catching those catfish, I like using that vanilla soak corn
with kids. And in most of the lakes around here,
in addition to the perch, and in addition to the catfish,
there may be a few carps women around in there,

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and those carp get six eight ten pounds that happened
when I had my son and his buddy Robbie from
down the street out when they were a little bitty
they might not have been six seven years old, I guess.
Took them over to a lake in Missouri City, and
we had that corn soaking out there, and we were
catching these little state stocked catfish ten twelve inches long.

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They not much to them, not a whole lot of fight,
and a line tightened up one time, and I can't
remember which one of them was on the rod first,
but whichever one it was actually got tired fighting this
fish we had. I knew it was one of those
big carpet It might have been a bigger catfish, but
it was. It had its nose down and it was
pulling and tugging and pulling drag, and I mean this

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was a big time blue marlin as far as they
were concerned. And they tag teamed that fish back and forth,
fighting it until their little arms couldn't take it anymore.
And we finally got him up and somewhere on some
thumb drive or whatever, there are pictures of both those
boys with that fish, and that car had to have
been ten twelve pounds, And for the little equipment I

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took out there, little Zepco setups I took out there
to fish those lakes. Man. That was quite the quite
the bit of work. Vanilla soaked corn. You put the corn.
The recipe is simple. You buy the cheapest can of
corn you can, You drain all the water off of it,
drop it in a zip lock bag. You use generic

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vanilla extract because the brand name stuff is crazy expensive,
and the catfish don't know the difference. Catfish will eat anything, okay,
catfish will eat anything as long as they can smell
it and they can get their mouth around it. And
so you soak your corn and a couple of tablespoons
of vanilla extract on the way to where you're going.

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When you get there, you take a big, generous handful
of that stuff out of the bag and you just
broadcast it like a sprinkler in the front yard. You
just throw that one big handful of corn out there
in front of you about as far as you can
throw it, and then rig up your rods. Take a
little time. Talk to the boys about the weather. Talk
to boys or girls whoever you got with you. The kids.

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Talk to the kids about the weather. Talk to them
about have they ever caught a fish before? Do all
of that stuff, and give those fish a little time
to find that corn, and then ten fifteen, maybe twenty minutes,
in whatever it takes to get everything all rigged up
and ready to go, put a little baited hook out
there in the water and see what happens. There's a
pretty good chance that hook, that little cork, if it's

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small enough, is not going to be visible for very long.
I've used that method to take I don't know how
many of my son's friends. I don't know how many
of people who just walked by through a park where
my son and I were fishing, and the little kids
would stop. The moms and dads would usually just kind
of keep on walking. There was one particular place where

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there was a bridge and we were, my son and
I our fishing right next to the bridge, and these
families would walk over the bridge, and the adults didn't care.
They just saw a dad and a son catching a
little fish. But their children would stop and they'd want
to watch. And it didn't take long in this place
to catch fish. There were thousands of I think if

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you took every perch out of that little lake, the
water level will probably drop three inches. There's that many
of the men there would stop and I would ask
the kid, you want to catch a fish? And of
course the heads spark start bobbing up and down. And
I turned to the parents then and say, would you mind,
I've got all my my hook barbs are mashed down.

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They're not gonna be any serious injury. I can assure
you of that, and I can just about guarantee that
with two minutes of your time, your son your daughter
can catch their first fish. And I did that I
don't know how many times with him, and it worked
every time. It worked every time because I was in
a good spot, and that's what I think got my
son excited. We actually stayed there about It took about

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an hour and a half one day, and the attention
spans of young kids is not very long, but we
actually fished until we caught one hundred perch and then
called it today. That was a good I was. I
was kind of tired of taking them off the hooks
and getting stabbed by their little dorsal fins when I
was trying to be so nice and so careful with them,

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and they'd raise those dorsals just as I grabbed them
and just jabbed me right in the home in my hand.
All good fun, Absolutely good fun. Let's go to Let's
go to this leaderboard if I can get over to
it real quick before I go to break Pro Corp
Championship NAPA, California. If it'll load. This is my new laptop.

(01:34:19):
It's supposed to be much faster than the old one,
and I would say it's kind of maybe not so much.
Ben Griffin leading the way. He has a full sleeve
lead at fourteen under par after two rounds a sixty
four and a sixty six over Russell Henley, who is
eleven under par, as is Jackson Coven. He's an amateur.

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Jackson Coyven tied for second place in a professional golf event.
And I don't know how old the guy is. I'm
gonna have to look him up. I'll get a little
info on him maybe during the break here. JJ Spahon,
Lanto Griffin at nine under par tied for one two
three fourth place, and Rico Hoy at eight under par.

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Let me see if I can name all the sevens
who this is gonna take a hot minute seven under
par at the whereas that darn thing the pro CORP Championship.
That would be Zach Blair, Taylor Montgomery, Garrick Higgo, Mackenzie Hughes, Emilianogrio,
Matt McCarty, Justin Hastings all at seven. Oh, look who's
playing in this one. Scotty Scheffler. He's at six under par.

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Anybody want to bet against him? I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
He's not he's not playing against Let's see who's there.
Coacher's there the Gala. I'd like to see Sahatha Gala
start doing a little better again. Down the list. Maverick
mcneeley's playing. He's at five. Looking for household names, and

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I'm kind of running out. Colin Moore cow's at four
after two rounds. I think a lot of these guys
they're snatecker he's at three. A lot of these guys
who are major players in this game after two rounds,
if they're within six shots, maybe even eight, I wouldn't

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write him off. Let me see what the Scottie scheffer
number is. Real quick? He was at six, wasn't he?
Where'd he go go back down there? Darn? Where'd he
go to? He fall off the leaderboard or something? I've
lost him all of a sudden, there he is Scotti
Cheffer six under par. Are you the odds on him

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are plus seven. I don't know how all this works,
but it's plus seven point fifty. Oh yeah, So that
means you're not gonna You're gonna make less money on
him than you would if you were to bet on
Ben Coles, who is also at six under par. Right now,
he's at plus forty thousand. Anders Albertson also plus six,

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plus one hundred thousand. I'm not sure what all that means,
because I'm not a gambler, but my gut says that
Scottie Scheffer. There's still a lot of people think Scottie
Scheffer can win this tournament. Ben Griffin all the way
up there in first place at plus one twenty, Russell
Henley plus three fifty. You know what, I'm not gonna

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get in the weeds. I don't know what I'm talking about.
I do know what I'm talking about when I tell
you about black Horse Golf Club, though I was just
up there this past week. That's where I played one
of the rounds I played during my wild I'm gonna
get caught off on sleeping rest week of vacation where
my head wasn't on the pillow very long at all.
It doesn't matter though I had fun at black Horse.

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I had fun at black Hawk. I had fun at
all these courses and black Horse. If you're up on
the northwest side of town and you haven't played there yet,
you're doing yourself a disservice. You're doing yourself a disservice.
There is a daily fee option that would be the
North Course. Great fun to play that golf course. They
keep it in very good shape. Craig Hicks, the general
manager up there, is an outdoorsman and a golf lover.

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He's not just a business guy manning the manning the
ship at a golf course. He's a golfer and he's
an outdoors person, so he knows what all of us
expect when we go pay a good fee to play
a good course. The South Course was taken private this year,
right at the turn of the year, and there has

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been tremendous progress made toward dressing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
That one up.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
A little bit different maintenance budget all around for both courses,
so neither one of them is having to rob Peter
to pay Paul and get stuff done. That's why they're
in good shape as they are. Black Horse Golf Club
dot Com is a website. They're on Fry Road, just
about two three miles south of two ninety. Very easy
to find, generous practice range. You can take a big

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two course tournament up there and get everybody teed up,
get everybody practiced and warmed up to fill both courses,
and go raise a bunch of money for charity if
you need to. Golf Club dot com is the website.
Great grill too, by the way, if you like food
like me before or after a game. Black Horse Golf
Club dot Com nine nineteen on Sports Talk seven ninety.

(01:39:08):
My first day back in the saddle in quite some time.
It seems like a very long time, because I get
my Mondays off anyway, because I'm in here six days
a week, and so I had off a Monday a
week ago, then I had off the whole week. And
by all I'm wrapping off in quotes because I'm never

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really totally away from my business, and I get emails
all the time anyway, So it been and I don't
ignore anybody, even if I'm on vacation. If I've got service,
if I've got electronic service, I'm I'm getting to you
as fast as I can. I'm not going to respond
to a whole lot of emails when I'm on the
jetties or when I'm in a boat or in a
duck blind, but I'll do my best. Oh, pro, what

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is up my friend?

Speaker 12 (01:39:56):
H I'm starting to think I should have stayed in
bed this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
Oh you're on? Where are you? What lake are you on?

Speaker 12 (01:40:04):
I'm All Levison on the intersection of Kick the Food
and Rocky Creek, sitting right on the convergence with these
two creeks, and there I caught her a couple of
ice croppy here with the with the spotlight. But uh,
looks like from what I'm seeing, it looks like his
lake starting its turnover. Oh boy, fisher a little bit,
a little bit out of swords. So yeah, but the
bass fishing was not exist. I started out with the

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black topwater day and I threw it until it turned
and clear, and I figured they weren't.

Speaker 10 (01:40:29):
Going to hit it.

Speaker 12 (01:40:30):
So I figure this time, this time to go to
the socle a of these other fish.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Yeah, buddy, do something different. Huh did you.

Speaker 12 (01:40:38):
Get a chance to interview that was awome about it?

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Yeah? I'm glad you heard it. Yeah, oh yeah, she's
a pistol man. I'm telling you, I.

Speaker 12 (01:40:45):
Tell you, I spent many of days in attacking store
talking to her that I was wait a minute, wh
did I come in here?

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:40:52):
You know what, you don't got off on her tangent.
You know, forgot why you walked in the store to
begin with.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
I got tickled when she talked about that blue blue,
blue man, I've never heard of that. And then finally
she told hell this chugger, Yeah, that was just her name.

Speaker 12 (01:41:05):
Old head and tugger, oh head and suggar. Still one
of my favorite baits. And my daddy has I got some.
My daddy put the original hand tied authentic bucktails on.
That's how long I've had them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
So holy cow man, Yeah, they were great baits. I
don't know. I don't know that there's a lure anywhere
that wouldn't still catch fish if you threw it where
there were hungry fish.

Speaker 12 (01:41:28):
You agree with that, Oh yeah, one hundred percent. I
mean I love going back to the old school lures,
just like clothes coming back and style it. Bass did
have a long memory, so he's going to hit the
head and sugar passings out here. One of these thirty
five dollars Japanese top water poppers. I'm pretty sure we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Tie on Lucky thirteen. Put on your bell bottom pants
and get out there.

Speaker 12 (01:41:47):
Hey, that's it. The old old, the old old, the
old head and river runt. I throw that on occasion
up here and just up and upgrade the hardware is
all you got to do. Upgrade the hardware.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
On a couple of more years, everything I got in
my garage is going to be in I'm gonna go
in the antique lure business.

Speaker 12 (01:42:04):
Exactly. Yeah, couldn't decide if it was it was fishing
or dove hunting today, but think about it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:10):
Where I lived here on Levis.

Speaker 12 (01:42:11):
And the lake's kind of dropping. So I got some
places out here on some flat that I've seen a
lot of doves. So I'm kind of kind of fishing,
kind of scouting where I might do fund here tomorrow morning,
take some mojoes out and just the dove ain't flying,
I can put the troll motor back in the water,
just go back to fishing. So very good point casting
blast if you will.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
So yeah, you know, while I got you on the
phone for us, I want to you. You have talked
to me about some of the place. I don't want
you to tell me the names of these places because
let people look them up themselves. But you've been scouting
quite a few public hunting areas thanks to parks and
Wallet Department. Everybody thinks this state is all almost all private,
and it is. It's like ninety three to ninety four
percent privately owned. But the state does have some pretty

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good opportunities for all kinds of hunting. Talk about what
you found when you went to these public places to
scout them out.

Speaker 12 (01:43:00):
Yeah, when I'm fighting it is it is private land
leased by the state. Is a lot of it. What
I looked at, like I say, is over a million
acres of people just get out there and look at it.
But uh, but what we looked at we got a
fish on. But uh but what we looked at was
a oil filled property. And uh, you know they've got

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regulation where you can't hunt, you know, one hundred and
fifty yards from the old active you know, active old
old thing or typical two typical two hundred yard you know,
pattern like what if you were hunting anywhere else. But
we looked at and the cool thing about it. I
had the foresight to take my ultra light and you know,
any like we talked about old lures, any bass in
the world will not resist beetlespin if he put it

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in front of their face. So I grabbed the ultra
light rod the scout and uh, we took beetlespins out there,
and almost all of these had water anywhere from a pond.
You could stand in one spot to fish to some
number two or three acres and every one we fished
had fish on them. And you can pick all these,
but we found one, uh, most of them in the
eighty eight to one hundred acres. So even if there's

(01:44:02):
somebody else there, you can, uh, you can, you can hunted.
And they got the little the little scanner thing. You
scan it with your phone and let them know you're there,
and you kind of clock in and you kind of
clock out, let them know how many birds you shot.
But some of these are The last one we walked
and I was about to die. It was three hundred
and seventy five acres and uh and that bast if
we could have shot a limited doug while we were

(01:44:24):
walking around. I haven't been back to it yet because
we ended up hunting some private but uh, that's definitely
on my agenda for next time. I little shoe. But
they're just people just got to look and just right
here where I live on Livingston here in the U.
Fan Houston National Forest. Yeah, there's one hundred and twenty
six thousand acres we'll say ten miles and like the
onely time I want to there, deer World, rabbits, dove.

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People just got to get out there and look at
It's only forty eight bucks and you got you know,
you got a million acre deerly, so if you want
to look at it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
So I don't know how long it take me an
ad million acres, but I'm willing to try.

Speaker 12 (01:45:01):
Oh yeah, but it's really fun because you know, you're
probably like me as much as I know every stump
in the lake where I'm at right now. It's kind
of cool to go out and walk well and you've
never put your eyes on that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
I just enjoy that part of it, yeah, and feel
comfortable being on it. It's not like you snuck under
somebody's fence. You're you're perfectly legal to be there. Uh,
and and it is if you're not looking to just
hang the moon and have the trip of a lifetime.
It's well worth forty eight bucks, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:45:30):
Oh for sure? I mean just just for the fishing.
I mean, like I say, all the properties are pretty
much fence or they have the boundary markers there and
on the app that you you know, download the app,
it'll show you in real time where you're at on
the property, so you're not so you know, you're not
off the property.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Oh wow, okay, So, like.

Speaker 12 (01:45:47):
I say, most of the we found was really well
marked as far as you know, you know, it'll say boundary,
boundary line, stuff like that, so you're not going you're
not gonna end up getting all there. The one rule
that does have you know, anybody that does go look
at this and walstime one of the fence lines, they
do have a rule where you can't shoot into you
can't shoot off of the property, and you can't drop
game off of the property. So you got to make

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sure when you set up you're kind of conscious of
where you're going to be shooting and where the birds
are going to be falling. They have to fall within
the boundaries of the properties.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Yeah, you can't step on anybody else's property, and at
that point you just have to set up one hundred
yards inside because even if you booger up a dove
and it's just kind of limping and falling, limping and falling,
you need it to fall inside the right boundary line.

Speaker 12 (01:46:31):
Exactly, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
That's not a lot to ask for forty eight dollars hunts.

Speaker 12 (01:46:36):
You know, Noah, for sure, you got to do it.
Plus you get your exercise into so.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
And catch a few why not?

Speaker 12 (01:46:45):
Oh yeah, I mean it was like catching a big
gogglin bass and it was a blast.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Enjoyed it. How did you like that fish picture I
sent you from yesterday.

Speaker 12 (01:46:54):
I'll tell you what, that's pretty good. You can't get
the fishing. You can't give it two thirds of the
fish and the fisture that was, Yeah, I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
I was trying to hold my arm out as far
as I could with the camera to see more fish,
but it just, honestly, I'm not that tough. I couldn't
do it. Oh well, I'm gonna go try and catch
that fish. That was the biggest one I've caught from
that little bridge too, by the way, most of them
when I've been doing that and just kind of. I mean,
it was just such an easy thing that I had,

(01:47:21):
you know, I just drop them in and a two
three pounder would emerge. And yesterday I missed the fish
the first time. I watched my line going away, and
I just yanked it out of her mouth, and then
I took about ten seconds. I dropped it right back
into the same spot for us and boom and lift
it up, figuring I was going to just yank her
up on the bridge, and about half the fish came

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out of the water and that rod was just bowed over.
They go, whoa. I gotta think this one through. It
was great though. It was a good fish. I may
post it. I'll post that picture. It's not bad.

Speaker 12 (01:47:51):
Oh, shoot you out. I'd be proud of you. I
got to get you up here to this this lufky lake,
flipping these outs of a quarter jigs on fifty pound
braid in this thick drill.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Good.

Speaker 12 (01:48:00):
He was punching in there and hits the bottom, pop, popping,
and set the hook and hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
The win around. All right, man, great talking to you.
Good luck. Hope you do better.

Speaker 12 (01:48:12):
See I won't be out here much longer.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
All right, Audios are beat up wors Wilkinson up there.
He's man. He has a real job. Believe it or not.
You wouldn't know it thinking with our conversations on the
weekend about where he's been and what he's been doing.
But he does have a real job. I can't remember
exactly what he does or where it is, uh, but
he gets some time off and he takes full advantage.

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I wish I was still let young. I would be
doing man, I'd be following, we'd be bouncing off the
state all over the place. I had some great running
buddies back when I was his age too, and we
all were looking for places to hunt, looking for places
to fish, going to new spots, doing all of that
stuff and having a blast. I hope all of you

(01:48:56):
are still doing whatever your age and condition will elect
you to still do in the outdoors. And just like
that call I got this morning from Bob looking for
someplace to go dove hunting. He's not that mobile anymore.
He can't just walk walk all over fifty acres of ground,
but he is looking for a place to go do

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a little dove hunting. And if you know of one
that I could refer him to, I would greatly appreciate
that some outfitter who's got a four wheeler where he
could go drop Bob off on a fence line somewhere
and then come back and pick him up in a
little while. I'm trying to help. I'll try to help
anybody who needs the help find whatever they need to
find to get outdoors. And there's a lot of good

(01:49:39):
organizations around this town. Cert I may hunt down a
good interview on people who are in some way disabled
from being able to do things the way most of
us still get to do it. Who but who still
want to get outdoors. We'll find somebody can help you out.
And I know a lot of people who are kind
of in that b business and more than willing to help.

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On the way out here, American Shooting Centers West tim
Or Parkway between Katie and Highway six really easy to find.
You can't once you see those big burns out there,
and then you'll see the trap and skeet fields, and
you can't see the sporting place courses. They're kind of
tucked away a little bit south of the road there.

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But everything else you can see, especially that big building
up on the hill, the pro shop where you can
get AMMO for whatever boutique caliber rifle you bought ten
years ago and are wondering why you did. You can
find AMMO for it right there. At American Shooting Centers.
You can find instructors to help you break more clay
targets or hit more bull's eyes. There's a beginner's area

(01:50:44):
for wing shooting the three Sporting place courses. Like I mentioned,
there's five stands setups kind of all over the place.
Out there. There's a beginner's wing shooting area where the
targets are just really slow and easy and get somebody
used to swing that shotgun and the rifle and pistol
stuff starts at five yards and goes all the way

(01:51:05):
to six hundred yards. I've had a lot of discussions
with people here in the office about shots from about
maybe one hundred and eighty to two hundred and fifty
yards this week and how what skill level it takes
to do that, and a lot of the people I
was talking to were quite surprised to find out that
modern modern rifles are pretty dog on accurate out to

(01:51:28):
that range. It doesn't take it doesn't take a sniper
to hit targets like that, and if you're going to
be deer hunting this year, you need to make sure
you can hit the target you're aimed at, because the
last thing you want is to send a deer off
into the woods never to be retrieved. And unless you're
willing to pay three, four or five hundred dollars to

(01:51:49):
get somebody who has a deer dog out there to
chase that animal down, that's something else. That's another interview.
I need to get somebody who runs deer dogs. They're
an invaluable asset especial's you for the trophy ranches where
these guys are spending a lot of money and coming
out to hunt. You gotta have that dog. Meanwhile, back

(01:52:10):
at American Shooting Centers, I just got totally off in
a curve. American Shooting Centers dot com West Timber Parkway
between Katie and Highway six. Shotgunning, rifle, pistol instruction gr
nice selection of nice firearms too, By the way, in
the pro shop. American Shooting Centers dot Com is a website.
Go check it out. American Shootingcenters dot Com nine seven

(01:52:35):
on Sports Talk seven ninety The Dougpike Show. Thank you
very much. Another good song, Holy cow, Frankie, you're on
a roll man. That's another song I listened to a
lot when I was younger. I really did. If it
comes on in the car, you better put your noise
canceling earbuds in cause I'm going full force on that one.

(01:52:56):
Mojo Way's in. How's the ragweed treating you? Not so great?
I've been better and I've been worse. Um dum No.
Here's a good question, and it's it's somewhat ambiguous. Oh wow,
all of a sudden, I got like a bunch of
no or killing lizard. Oh wow, I got a bunch

(01:53:19):
of emails. Okay, So first of all, let's see fish
species what we call them. Oh that's interesting. I'll get
to that in a second. Billy Ways in curiosity question.
I know it can change, But what's your preference on
setting your drag on a fishing reel? Was messing around
with the brakes and getting the most of casting. But

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he's already figured that out. He says, what's your drag strength?
As a rule of thumb, most of the inshore fishing
that I do doesn't require precise measurement of drag because
I'm not It's not like I'm offshore trying to catch
blue marlin, where you're actually using a scale to put

(01:54:02):
set the drag at maybe fifteen twenty twenty five pounds,
depending on how big a tackle you're using and what
sized fish you're gonna catch. Inshore, I like to set
it where if someone holds, if you're just pulling line
off the reel, to feel what that drag feels like,

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it's really not an accurate test for what strain's going
to be put on the rod. And with braids now,
where you can put twenty thirty forty pound braid on
a bass fishing reel easily, you can get away with
setting the drag really tight if you want to, and sometimes,
like in heavy cover, you have to. But what I
like to do is either get a friend to hold

(01:54:46):
the end of your line out about maybe knee high
and back away about five six yards, ten yards whatever,
and then just raise that rod and see what it
takes for that person to pull the line off the
reel and get a feel for what that's gonna feel
like when the drag finally does kind of allow the
fish to pull line off the reel and make sure

(01:55:09):
it doesn't break. Basically, and with twenty or thirty pound braid,
you can set up really tight drag. For bass fishing,
I don't like I want it to take an alligator
to pull line off the reel with bass fishing when
I'm fishing with twenty or thirty pound braid, because I
don't think they're gonna. They're not gonna run away and
break it. They might may might get you into a
stump or something. For salt water, I set it a

(01:55:31):
little bit lighter because I don't mind. If I'm in
open water like I typically am gonna be for wade
fishing or beach fishing or whatever, or even from the jetties,
they're not gonna They're not gonna wrap you around a stump.
They're just gonna be out there swimming their little hearts
out and burning energy the whole time. So if it
pulls a little line off the reel, let it pull

(01:55:52):
a little line off the reel. That's fine. Redfish, speckled trout,
even king mackerel. I don't set the drag very hard,
very high, because I want that thing sprinting around out
there and wearing itself out. I want resistance, but I
don't want it to be so much that it puts
too much strain on the rod or the line or
the gears or anything else in that reel and other

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than that, And if you have to test it yourself,
that's fine. But when you do get one, Let's say
you get one guy to hold that line one time
and pull some line off and you feel like that's
a comfortable drag setting, then reach up and wrap some
line around your fingers and pull it off the reel
at that particular setting, so that the next time you
have to test it for some reason, you can get

(01:56:38):
an accurate or an accurate reading on it based on
what you kind of remember from when the guy did it.
I don't focus too much on drag with bass fishing.
I'd rather it be too tight than too loose. With
saltwater fishing, like I was doing on the jetties, I'll
back it off a little bit to let a bigger
fish run and not pull the hooks because the drag

(01:57:04):
was too tight. That makes any sense, Billy, I hope.
So that's about the best I can do off the
cuff on drag setting inshore, it's about feel fresh water.
Set it tighter because you got to get that bass
out of the cover. Got to get his head turned
your way as quick as you can, or her head
in the case of a bigger fish and salt water,

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let them run around all they want. If you want
to set it really loose and have fun and watch
the fight for a longer time than average, and then
loosen it up. If you want to get that fish
close to hand, there's something else you need to think
about wadefishing. Leave it a little bit looser. Let that
fish tire itself out. If you've got a tight drag
and you bring a hot fish in close, that thing's

(01:57:46):
liable to jump up in your face. It's liable to
jump into your hand, it's liable to do all kinds
of stuff. I want that when that fish comes to
me wadefishing, I want it on it. I want it healthy,
but on its side and just hired, just worn out.
And they go, okay, get the hook out of me,
let me go, and I'll be nice to you too,

(01:58:07):
And we have this nice mutual understanding that if it
just doesn't stick a hook in me, which is not
going to end the trip, by the way, because all
of my barbers are going to be mashed down. But
as long as it doesn't stick a hook in, men,
we're gonna get along really, really great. If it's a
really big one, I'll get a picture hanging off a
bog a grip or something, and then off it goes.

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All right, good haabits. Look at this all the way
to hear Kobe Stevens speaking of golf apparel, speaking of
outdoors apparel, I've been wearing Kobe Stevens gear now for
the better part of two years, and in fact, I
had a Kobe Stevens shirt and cap on yesterday when
I went up to the golf course and met an
amazing young player who I'm going to interview, A young

(01:58:50):
woman named Lola who was up there with her parents
and they joined me, I don't know, with about four
or five holes left to play, and we had a
blast going around. Her parents are just watching her get
ready for a tournament that's coming up. I'm gonna be
interviewing her soon. In any event, Kobe Stevens gear has
been around a long time. I started with the golf stuff.
I've got some of the fishing apparel now. Kobe and

(01:59:13):
I hopefully if we can ever get a meeting done,
are gonna have something to talk about, something new to
talk about here in a fairly short time. I hope
we've let this stretch out way too long. Great feel great.
Look if the golf stuff is such that when I
walk onto the golf course wearing Kobe Stevens stuff, I

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feel like people are looking at me and going that
guy's probably a player. He's got the right gear, that's
for sure. Make you look good, make you look better
than you are, which doesn't take much with me as
a golfer, but nonetheless, it makes you feel good. And
I honestly feel that I play better golf when I'm
dressed as a better golfer might dress. I just I

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don't know, maybe that's just me. But it makes you
feel good, it really does. It makes you feel good
when people hey, who made that shirt? Man? That's really cool.
And on top of the great apparel they have at
Kobe Stevens dot com and at the store up in Spring,
they're also really big. Kobe Gallick, the guy who owns
the company, is huge into community service. He's at every

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every time I turn around, he's going to another charity
event to help them raise money for their good cause.
He's out there all the time. You'll see them at
most of the bigger tournaments around town. You really will
look better than you play. That's that's my motto. Look
better than you play, hanging out in the clubhouse, all
of that. You're gonna look great right up until you
swing the club. Just don't never mind. Kobe Stevens dot

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com is the website. Go see what I'm talking about.
And as Forrest will tell you all, there's stuff for
foux Pro buy stuff from him and has for quite
some time now, and I'm glad he does. Find something
in double X, triple X, find something for kids, find
something for ladies. They've got a great women's line now
and also, like I said, the plus sizes and the

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children's sizes too, so everybody in the family can have
a great time looking and feeling good in the outdoors.
Kobe Stephens dot com co B Y S, T E
V E N S. Kobe Stevens dot com on Sports
Talk seven ninety The Doug Pipe Show, I am back

(02:01:23):
from vacation. Uh, thank you for patiently waiting and being
back here to help me get this first one off
to a good start. And one of my friends and
one of my regulars, Rick Bass, on the phone. Now,
what's up, Rick?

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
Well, one of my friends called me and said, hey,
this morning, you wanted me to if I had time
to call and give you my my freshing the Phoenix knives. Yeah, baby,
what do you think I'm gonna tell you? Well, first
I gotta tell your fox pros out there fishing for
fish lime fishing today, But I ain't.

Speaker 10 (02:01:59):
Fishing for fish.

Speaker 8 (02:02:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
Oh, what are you trying to catch?

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
Well, you've heard of dumpster divers.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
Oh no, what are you doing.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
I'm not a dumpster diver, Doug, I'm an old barn diver.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
Oh, yes, I know that, man.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
I got a date. You know, everybody's got their favorite
fishing hoe. I got my favorite old abandoned barns. I
had access too, and I can go into them a
dozen times. But every time I go back, I seems
like I found something else.

Speaker 1 (02:02:32):
I'll bet you do. You know that's something interesting to
think about, because long long, long, long long ago, nobody
had a safe in their house out in the country.
They'd hide stuff, and there's no telling what's hidden and
where it's hidden. In barns, inside walls, all kinds of things, man,
And all you got to do is be an aggressive

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treasure hunter and you never know what you're gonna find.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
Do you did you see that picture? I sens you yesterday?

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
I did. I did.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
Man. Oh, not not just the movie Brill but the
other green thing. Did you see that?

Speaker 8 (02:03:07):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
Yeah? I hold on, I'm gonna go back and look
at it again because I've forgotten what it was.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
Embarrassing, a little bigger than a football, and it weighs.
I'm gonna go wait it again here in a little
is that thing that big? About thirty five pounds? O?

Speaker 1 (02:03:23):
My one?

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
It felt like you need.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
To get that thing checked out. Yeah, you need to
figure out exactly what that is.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
I got it right here on the floorboard with a
gun land right next to it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:35):
Where was it, I'm sorry?

Speaker 10 (02:03:40):
Where was it in an old barn?

Speaker 1 (02:03:44):
In the barn? Yeah, you might want to.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
Get that checked out dark room, in one of those
rooms in a big barn. It's probably a five thousand
square foot barn. And my old flash might hit it
and it started shining, and I thought, either eye for
lit up the eyes of the in the world or anyway.

Speaker 8 (02:04:05):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:04:05):
Going back to Phoenix Knives, I drive by there all
the time and I feel bad.

Speaker 10 (02:04:11):
I had to stop.

Speaker 2 (02:04:12):
Anyway, it was during the week, and and uh, I'm going,
I'm gonna go in there. Of course, what I'm looking
for is a big vice. Yeah, because he opened up
that barrier shopping this door and uh or somebody did,
and uh, I bet you he did. And uh you've
heard people say, hey, uh old Rick, that guy could

(02:04:35):
he could break an amble. Well, I I've never broke
an amble, but I sure was able to break a great,
big oldvice. That's another story for another day. But anyway,
I walked in. The first guy met me at the
door was and I'd never seen him before, but I
looked at him and I said, let me guess your

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cap boy is some manski. He said, I am.

Speaker 12 (02:04:58):
Welcome to Phoenix, NYE.

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
How about anyway, Uh, it was just a great experience.
It's it's worth going and send the leather. It smells
like old Selsa's downtown does oh man? That's so yeah. Anyway,
beautiful knives and and uh he was he was busy
with some some business and I told him to take

(02:05:19):
care of business. I'm just gonna look around. And I
looked around. I watched them, the leather guys, they were
interesting and looked at the knights for sale, and and
uh it makes me as an amateur knife maker myself,
it makes you realize just how bad you are. And
I'm gonna probably take my granddaughter and uh for for

(02:05:42):
Christmas or birthday and this fall, and uh, I'm gonna
we're gonna make the knights.

Speaker 1 (02:05:48):
Yeah, man, that's cold.

Speaker 2 (02:05:51):
So anyway, good, it's uh, it's worth the trip. Plus,
you know, two blocks down, you've got guess what in
case you.

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
Get hungry, Belleville Meet Market right down the street.

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
Telville, two or three blocks Okay, hold on.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
Hold on, let me tell you real quick. I've been
looking at green gemstones for while we've been talking. There's
an outside chance that it might be worth a little money,
and an even slimmer chance that it's really something, uh
like an emerald or something. I'm trying to find something
that's there'd be one big as a football in a barn.
But there's a gym or a gymstone called savor right, Okay,

(02:06:30):
a Savor right garnet. And I'm looking at rings made
with Savor right guard. Here's a seven carrot square cut
Savor right garnet ring that sell for three hundred and
thirty thousand dollars, So you might.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
Want to do this at this point.

Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
What I do know at this point is that a
one pound of this what we think it is? I
have had this chicked on.

Speaker 1 (02:06:59):
Okay, what do you say I think it is?

Speaker 2 (02:07:01):
Well, I'm gonna say that.

Speaker 5 (02:07:03):
Okay, I think I'll tell you this.

Speaker 2 (02:07:05):
You know what one pound has worked about is a
big piece and one piece. Okay, Yeah, you can get
all can of little fifty grams and this and that
for whatever. Sure, one pound self for about seventy five
dollars a pound and a one pound, But what I've
been told due to the size of this one, which.

Speaker 3 (02:07:24):
Is unmatched, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
It could be worth a whole lot more. So come up,
I'm transporting it to somewhere I feel a little more comfortable.
But I'll let you know what it. Yeah, you just
never know as you go.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
I'll keep my mouth shut. And we need to go
back to that bar and look for some more green rocks. Man,
you know there's more than one.

Speaker 5 (02:07:44):
I know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:45):
I've been to eight. I'm about two more to go.

Speaker 1 (02:07:48):
Good luck, have fun.

Speaker 2 (02:07:50):
Man, frighten a lot of wasp. I was surprised this
time of the year. The wasp till a round. Well,
I have a safety see.

Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
You later, thank you, Ricky audios. Yeah, speaking of wasps
and bees, I just got a call or an email
from Scott and Noll. He years ago down in Belize,
he had a confrontation. He and some other fishermen down
there had a confrontation with killer bees. And Scott just

(02:08:22):
emailed me a little bit ago, say, got another experience
killer bees, this time right here in Port O'Connor managed
to escape with only about fifteen to twenty stings. And actually,
believe it or not, that is pretty lucky if those
things are chasing you. He is recovering today. Probably try
and call tomorrow. He's really not up to it. But

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he finishes with the significant understatement by saying, would rather
not ever do that again. That's pretty smart, Pretty smart, Scotty,
and I hope it. Man. You've had two two shots
with these things, and you've beaten them, bearing their mind,

(02:09:04):
bearing their name in mind, you've beaten them both times.
So just retire undefeated from fights with killer bees, if
you don't mind. I still got some fishing trips I
want to make with you. Okay, Yeah, I'm wondering, and
I'm hoping that somebody's had a chance to go in
and kill those things before they spread to other hives.

(02:09:25):
Kevin Wade in let's see talk about fish specs. Oh yeah,
the different names they're called. I just had somebody the
other day. We were talking about kobea aka lemon fish,
AKA this aka that kobea ling lemon fish are all
the same fish, but they get different names. Crappie, sok

(02:09:45):
live white perch, all the same fish, different names. It's
really kind of a fun thing to dive into. Skip
jack that's a oh man, there's all kinds of well,
there's a lot of names they have for skip jacks
also aka ladyfish. That's probably the most polite term. They're
called wastes of time. That's what I called him. Forrest

(02:10:08):
called them fun because he was getting to bite every cast.
He'd get two or three bites every cast. And those
things are so little, and I guess their mouths are
pretty hard, and they they shake the hook. I've never
known any other species to be able to shake off
a hook of pretty much any size with such consistency

(02:10:28):
as a skipjack. So I'll give them that. Uh, there. Yeah,
we could. We could go on and on about that
gasper goose, fresh water drum. There's all kinds of fish
that have three, four or five different names depending on
what state you're in, or even what region of a
state as big as Texas you're is. Maybe we'll get

(02:10:48):
into that tomorrow. That's gonna wrap it up for today.
Thank you all so very much for welcoming me back,
and thanks for the phone calls. I always like them,
I really really do. Tomorrow I'm gonna get to Rudy's
Abador killing lizard. That's that's I haven't even had a
chance to open that one up yet, Rudy, but I'm
gonna take a look once I get off the air.
Thank you all for listening. I hope you'll join me

(02:11:10):
again tomorrow. We'll be back to tee it up at
eight o'clock tomorrow morning right here on Sports Talk seven
ninety Man oh Man Sports Investors Daily, coming up with
Chris Hodge in just a minute on Sports Talk seven
ninety Be safe, stay fun, have fun outdoors, audios, stay safe,
do that