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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, here we are, welcome back. Nine o'clock hour
starts now the Doug Pike Show on Sports Talk seven
ninety And I am quite fortunate to have on the
phone right now a guy I've known for probably longer
than either one of us would want to admit. He's
a lot younger than I am, he'd probably talk about it.
That would be Tommy O'Brien. And I'll tell you why
I've got him on the phone. It's because I just
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found out this week that Golf Digests his named Tommy
one of the top instructors in the entire state of Texas.
How's that sound, Tommy?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Pretty surreal, actually, Doug, it's pretty cool to be recognize
in that respect because I believe my peers actually vote
on that, And when your peers vote on something to
that effect, yep, it's really humbling.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, very humbling.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, because I don't know, you could probably you could
probably name off or at least recognize the names of
a thousand instructors in Texas and all but a handful
of them aren't even on the list.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Right well, they're they are.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I believe the best in the state is the is
the like the minor leagues if you will of the
top fifty that they have right there. But I will,
h I'll take it. I'm happy to be in the game.
But yeah, you've got the Jim Murphy's, the Jim Hardy's,
so many, so of the amazing instructors that that they're
pacings intact. Chuck Cook, I mean, my goodness, Chuck Cook.
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He's just years old and still killing it. Yes and
uh and very willing to share and to help. Which
is so impressive about all those gentlemen is that they're
they're never too big to answer the phone to let
you come out and watch and and talk golf, which
is which is really cool. That's how I I pray
I will be for the rest of my life. If
if someone calls and wants to wants help, that's a
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that's a huge piece of what we do.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'll remember that next time I'm dollaring your number. Tell
me about speaking of mentors. Okay, tell me about starting
with Jim Murphy, because I know that's where you did start,
right I did.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I was very blessed.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
My parents were inaugural members at Sweetwater Country Club in
nineteen eighty three and one Hank Haney was the golf
pro there after.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I think he was the second golf ro there, and.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
He brought his good friend Jim Murphy down from Chicago.
Jim Litley finished school, got in his car and drove
down and at any rate, Jim didn't even Jim thought
he had an assistant position. Jim alaugh about this, and
he hears this, and it turns out the guy that
he was replacing hadn't been fired yet and that was
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kind of Hank, and so he was the starter for
a few weeks. So Jim's the starter. He just got
been playing golf at the pool and all of a sudden, Yeah,
I'm a starter. I'm not a golf ro here. So
it had been probably two weeks to a month and
Jim's like, okay, Hank him, what's going on here? If
I'm either out or I'm in going on anyway, they
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got him to be the assistant golf pro and Jim
was able to benefit because Hank at that time was
really getting into the teaching. And I think that Hank
saw probably over two hundred ter pros at Sweetwater when
he first started going. And any rate, Jim was just
sitting there like a like a fly on the wall
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watching all of that and at any rate his benefit
later on would be would be my benefit. I mean sweetwater.
Back in the day, it was a.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Mack of teaching.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
They would go to the back of that range dug
on Saturday afternoons and it would be Yeah, it'd be
Hank Haney, It'd be Jim Hardy, be Carol Man, and'd
be Murph so many others that would just come out
and they just would hit balls and talk golf.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And that's just.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
What an amazing situation for someone who's teaching to be
in right there. And he also got to spend a
lot of time with a gentleman named John Jacobs. And
John Jacobs is the a British instructor that was just
the king of diagnosis. I remember that name, and that Yes,
that's a huge piece of teaching, is to understand what's
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really wrong with the person's golf swing when when they
come to.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You, if you you.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Know, if you're the doctor and I've got a busted
right knee and you keep looking at my left elbow,
that that's not going to help me. So at any rate.
That's the beauty of John is that John really helped
Jim Hardy and Jim Murphy to really understand the dynamics
of diagnosis and teaching, and from their their own theories
and thoughts about the golf swing.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay, all of this, all of this brings me back
to you. We're talking about you, Tommy O'Brien, dog gone
at your names on that list. Okay, how many places
have you taught? This is to give an idea of
how how tall a mountain you've climbed.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I have. I've been teaching since nineteen ninety nine. I
started off at Jim Murphy's placed, the training station, which
we both know.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Very very well, where we went allator.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, we went alligating and we still do that at
Blackhaw That's a good toy. We we still do that.
But but it was blessed to teach there for a
number of years and get to be under Gym's guidance
at that point. And then Bravern Country Club, bent Water,
Sugar Creek. Most recently it was at Memorial Park, and
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then I've been here at Blackhawk for the last last
four years. It's been amazing, what a great place to teach,
and it's built for the tour, so the short game
area is amazing. The size of the range is amazing,
and then the golf course is tour quality. So I'm
just very blessed to have been here, really really really cool.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Gil.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm sure that there's no way you would have ended
up on this list if all you had done is
just regurgitated what other teachers have told you over the years.
You've what I'm guessing you've done, and you might be
too humble to say it is take everything they taught
you and then put your own touch on it to
make sure that it works for even more golfers than
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what they had to offer. Can Is that about right?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Maybe maybe a little bit. I will admit Doug here
on live radio that I have pretty much stolen everything
I've gotten.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I've looked for the uh.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I've looked for the best in the industry, which I
think anyone in any profession does.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You look for the best. And I have been so
blessed uh.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
By by our lords that to meet and get to
hang out with guys that are literally on the World
Golf Hall of Fame teaching us whether you know golf
top one, hundreds and and and so on, and so
I've listened intently to them. I've applied it to my
own game. A lot of the selfishness has been wanting
to improve myself and UH and to and play better myself,
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and then to help with my kids. You know, I've
got my daughters that play as well. And and then
like I said, passing it on to the to the
great membership here at UH at Blackhawk. But yes, I
have absolutely looked for the best and listened to the best. UH.
I've taken what's worked and applied it, and if it
doesn't work, I set it aside for maybe something or
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someone else, because there's always a piece of information that
will help someone. And my goal is to help everyone
that I could see, and I didn't want to be
one sided. A lot of guys will just focus on
just full swing, just short game, just whatever. I wanted
to be able to help anything in any one. So
my focus has been all assets of the game, even
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including golf course strategy, just a huge piece of it
right there. And how to get your kids to college
golfer that personal experience. And it's been so cool to
help other kids do that as well, because what a
help to a family you can help them with a
scholarship of some sort. Because I'm seeing the prices of
college today, and you know the prices of college today,
and it's like, oh my lord, it is ridiculous, but
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they're charging so at any rate. If we can help
them get that for a little bit less or for free,
Like my daughter Abigail, I'm blessed to have a full
ride right now the HCU playing some golf. What a
help on on a family's budget. And if I can
help in that respect, it actually feels like it's more
than just a golf lesson. Who will you?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Ricocheted off something a minute ago that I wanted to
ask you about, talking about how some things work for
some people and some don't. How you have to be
able to communicate not only the lesson, but you have
to communicate it to every different player because swings are
is different as fingerprints, and you have to find ways
to reach that person to get him or her to
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do the same thing that you might be trying to
get me to do and the same thing you might
be trying to get another guy to do. But you
have to say it a million different ways, don't you
to get the message across.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I have to know about nine languages, Doug, You know,
trying to say the same thing to someone, and you know,
luckily with experience, you learn a number of ways to
say the same thing. Typically the diagnosis and this is
just such things to the Jim Murphy's and Jim Harties
of the world. Usually I get that pretty spawn on.
But then, like I said, you've got to figure out,
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you know, how to convey that to the to the person.
And so at any rate, you're right, you have to
be able to say it about nine different ways so
that you know, all of a sudden, it's it's easy
for them to.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
To get You've got to be able to assess the
person as well.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
It's like, Okay, this person capable of doing what I
just told them to do.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
You know, you kind of get a feel for that.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
You get a feel for that by kind of watching
them and listening to them and so on and so forth.
So there's there's a lot more to it than just
knowing stuff about the golf swing. You've got to really
read the person, read their physical ability, read their ability
to to take in the matter you're talking about. If
you want to be successful in a thirty minute time
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span or a one hour time span, I mean, I
MERV taught me years ago. You're done teaching after about
the first five to ten minutes of a lesson the
rest of it should be raw, raw, and just reinforcement
of whatever is. If you're still if you're still teaching
a minute twenty nine of a thirty minute lesson, you
are in trouble.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Mercy, all you have to do is related either to
fishing or to baseball for me. Don't get analytical for
just tell me why it's different than a baseball swing
and how I can relate it to fishing somehow.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
It's it's funny you say that, because that'll be one
of the questions I'll ask someone when I first started
giving them lessons, is what other sports have you played?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, for that exact.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Reason, so that you can relate to them and that
in that sense, so that all of a sudden, you know,
it's not so foreign when you talk to them about
singing a different direction or a different sensation, whatever it is,
that that that may be sounds.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Good to me.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Tommy O'Brien on the Top Teachers in Texas list thanks
to Golf Digest. I'm so happy for you, man. You know,
I've known you forever, all the way since back at
the training station man, And yeah, you're a good dude.
Just well deserved Tommy. It really is you've worked hard.
I know you have, and your daughter's are proof of that.
They are fine young women and great golfers. And that's
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testimony to you and your wife's work.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I'm sure I appreciate that. Well, it's been Uh, You've
been a great support and and everyone I've interacted with.
That's what's so cool about our sports. There's just so
many good people that are in that are pulling for you.
Even the membership here at the club have been just
in properly supportive.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And when you have that, uh, it just it's a
game changer.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
It really really is to uh to keep going and
uh just so blessed to have the support that I've
I've gotten over these last few years, because there's there's
been some tough times, you know and whatnot. But it's, uh,
it's really cool to to see things kind of starting
to come to fruition a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Right, So, my guys know, you can teach people other
than members at Blackhawk, right, I can.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, as long as I follow the dress code. We've
got a minor one here, colored shirt and no dumb
we're good to go. But yes, would be happy to
help anyone that would like some help with their game
and any any facet of the game.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And where do they find you.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Uh, Tommy O Golf is my website and my actual
phone number is on there, and it's as easy as
just shooting a text. They can shoot a text and
tell me what's troubling then and we'll figure out a
date and we'll we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll help them get
them going.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
All true confession. Sometimes when you're out there teaching, I
try to stay away from me because I don't want to.
I don't want you to think I'm trying to eavesdrop.
But then again, sometimes if it's something that I think
is if I overhear something that I think is part
of my game, I might move one little bay down
closer just to hear it.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Doug, that's actually the best. That used to happen a
lot when I was at Memorial Park. Right you give
a guy a lesson, You're so you're so packed in
right there, and the guy next to you, here's what
you're talking about. That's why I like at Blackhawks. I
don't like teaching in the hitting day. I like being
on the main driving. I'm an old school you know,
that's kind of way I've been brought up with Jim Murphy,
and I want people to see me teaching, hear me
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teaching and all that, so they if they hear something,
they get excited and they do want to do that.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
So I please, I have I have two eyes.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
So you know, I can be looking for the lesson
and looking at you at the same time. It's amazing.
I got good at that with my kids because they
all wanted me to look at him at the same time.
I got five of them.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Have you ever looked at me and just mumbled the
word in your head hopeless?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
No? Actually, I have not The thing. The key thing
I keep mumbling is stay back, say stay back, don't
don't get ahead, don't get habits hard.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Tommy, Tommy O'Brien, thank you so very much, man, Tommy
o golf dot com is that right? Or Tommy, that's it.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
That's it dot com? You got it. Yeah, Doug, thank
you so much.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
My pleasure. Congratulations, Thank you very much. What a great
guy he really is man, and he he has worked
as hard or harder than anybody I know in that business.
It's like you said, he's been. He's been at a
lot of places, and I've seen him at all those places.
When I was running all over town, all of a sudden,
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there's Tommy right there. I'll be dog. I didn't know
he'd come over here. And there he is again over there,
and he's landed where he is now out there at
black Hawk. He's very comfortable there. He can give you
a lesson anybody else you want, or anybody else who
wants one. And Christ see me out there. I'm out
there hitting balls, just flailing away and trying to remember
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everything that Tommy's told me over the years, and some
of it gets away. That little stay back thing, though,
is implanted in my brain and that's my go to.
That's my first remedy usually for what's ailing me. And
got a man. They had a great nine holes two
days ago. Yesterday. Quit playing golf after three holes because
I was so frustrated. That's golf.