October 25, 2025 • 6 mins
Originally aired on October 25th, 2025. Doug's insightful interview with Tommy O'Brien, for your listening pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A great idea. Oh, really outstanding. Put him on the phone.
Holy cow, Hey t O, we finally found you.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I didn't realize that I called in, and didn't they realize
you were trying to call me.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I never got a phone call.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
With well, yeah, that's I don't Frankie was trying to
dial the number and every time he'd start dialing, the
line would just go dead. So we're here though, Let's
don't worry about that. So you and I wanted you
to kind of in your from your point of view,
talk about what I was talking about. Whether it's more
important to buy a fancy putter that's supposed to keep
(00:33):
you from from turning on an arc and keep that
club face square all the way through the putt somehow,
or just learning to use a good solid swing and
use your own muscles to keep it squared up.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, like I was, like I was saying you, Dougar,
there's you.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Got to kind of know the mindset of the of
the person.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Are there someone that's going to work on their game
and and they want to get better in all avenues
of putting, or are they just looking for something that
helps them twice a month when they're or once a weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
When they're when they're playing.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know, the most important fundamental in putting is the
face square at impact. And the beauty of the zero
torque putters is that that really helps average Joe do that.
Like I said, ninety percent of putting is the face
at impact right there.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
What a zero What a zero torque does not guarantee
is great distance control. Another thing. You can't have the
distance control it with a zero torque putter.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
But like I said, there are certain things that a
conventional you know, arcing stroke will help with that. I've
seen most of the greatest putters of our day use.
And then you know, it's very difficult to try to
keep the putter dead square up and down the target line.
I actually think that there's more manipulation in that than
(01:49):
there is and trying to keep the.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Square to an arc. And that's not because I think
that way.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's because we stand to the side of the ball,
and any any short when you stand the side of
the ball, whether it be tennis, golf, baseball, whatever, you
have to make a slight arcing motion to hit the
ball straight. And so it's a great way of squaring
the club base up there But the beauty of the
of the zero torque putters is if you've got a
guy that's let's say, got a cutstroke. Remember Billy Mayfair
back to day, I'm kindaging myself a little bit when
(02:15):
I say that he won on the tour with a cutstroke,
and Billy's face was really square at impact. And again
that's the most important piece. I'm never gonna be brashing
up to say there's something wrong with putting that way.
I mean, if you shoot sixty seven, I don't care
what you do, you know, But if you're struggling, yeah,
I mean I got that drugging from my good friend
(02:35):
Stan Ottley. I'm a player first, I don't care. You know,
if you play well, we're not going to change anything.
Which I try to really emphasize the people when I
work with him and whatnot. But again, I think that
the beauty of the zero torque cutters is that they
really emphasize having to face square at impact, which is
very difficult for a lot of people and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But if it's a both, it takes good practice to
accomplish that, doesn't it, And a lot of people just
don't want to put in the time.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That's exactly correct.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They want to buy a game, which today we can
buy a game more than we ever have with clubs
that don't spend the ball as much, with balls that
don't spend as much.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
That's actually a.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Complaint that a good player will have that talk going like,
I can't draw it when I want to draw it,
I can't faite it when I want to fait it,
because this.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Equipment is made to not spend today.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So at any rate, it's just it's I would say
that those zero tworkers are wonderful, especially for shorter putts,
for these people that don't practice a whole lot, right
because now all of a sudden you're making that three footer,
you're making that four footer, so instead of having a
three butt, you do have a two put you know,
eight feet and in. It makes them really really good.
It doesn't guarantee thirty five feet and in is going
to be a tapped in after that. Not saying that
(03:47):
you can't do that, but again, it automatically with technology
really helps the facey squared impact, which is most crucial,
particularly from eight feeting in right there.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Do you think you and I will live long enough?
You might, I won't to see the first gyroscopic controlled putter.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, it's just you know, you know, that's a big word, Doug.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Think about it. I mean, they can they made they
have these movie cameras now where somebody can be just
running alongside someone else and the camera when it's filming,
when when it's videoing, has it perfectly level and the
person who's holding is bouncing and jumping and all that,
and they just have a gyroscope.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yes, that's exactly right. Yes, all right, Doug. Let's see
how let's see how good you are? Who made that?
Who made that popular and famous? First? Not a clue?
What movie? I have? No irocky oh yeah, Rocky.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
When Stalloan was running up the steps, yep uh, they
were using a steady cam to run up the steps
as well with.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Him, to make it look as steady as it was.
It wouldn't. I hope the game doesn't get that complicated.
I'd love that there's there'd be some some art steal
into this.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But at any rate, the technology is cool. You know what,
these guys have figured it out too, that if someone
will spend six or seven hundred bucks in a driver,
we'll do the same thing for a putter.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Now it's like scary.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
If the manufacturers have figured out because that's how it
these putters costs. You know, it's like amazing what people
will pay. But I mean people will do anything to
make more putts, you know, and so and technology.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Is pretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And again, like I said, just based on whatever it
is you're looking to do right there, If it's just
a one time affair, a couple of times a month, whatever,
and you just want to make a few more putts,
I mean, it's a great situation. I'm not saying it's
not good long term. But you know, I don't see
the absolute best putters that have ever lived using a
(05:40):
putter like that. Even if they came back on the
tour today, they would still use what they what they used.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I think.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Again, I'm not downplaying or talking bad about zero torq putters,
but you know, at the same time, there is a
feel and our element to it. I don't I don't
see Ben Crunchy using zero torq butter. I kind of.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Agree with you, I really do.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I would rather practice and get a consistent stroke then
rely on a putter to do it for me. For
three footers that I might make one more of out
of five. Hey, I got a bounce man, but thank
you Tommy. Tommy ogolf dot com. Is that right? I
hope I got it right?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Uh, you got it right, absolutely, Doug, Yeah, yeah, thank
you Tommy.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
All right man, audios my friend, Okay, can you get
get that for me? Yeah, it's tommy ogolf dot com.
He's out at Blackhawk and you can anybody who wants
lessons from him can get them out there from him
A great idea. Oh, really outstanding. Put him on the phone.
Holy cow, Hey t O, we finally found you.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I didn't realize that I called in, and didn't they realize
you were trying to call me.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I never got a phone call.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
With well, yeah, that's I don't Frankie was trying to
dial the number and every time he'd start dialing, the
line would just go dead. So we're here though, Let's
don't worry about that. So you and I wanted you
to kind of in your from your point of view,
talk about what I was talking about. Whether it's more
important to buy a fancy putter that's supposed to keep
(00:33):
you from from turning on an arc and keep that
club face square all the way through the putt somehow,
or just learning to use a good solid swing and
use your own muscles to keep it squared up.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, like I was, like I was saying you, Dougar,
there's you.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Got to kind of know the mindset of the of
the person.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Are there someone that's going to work on their game
and and they want to get better in all avenues
of putting, or are they just looking for something that
helps them twice a month when they're or once a weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
When they're when they're playing.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know, the most important fundamental in putting is the
face square at impact. And the beauty of the zero
torque putters is that that really helps average Joe do that.
Like I said, ninety percent of putting is the face
at impact right there.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
What a zero What a zero torque does not guarantee
is great distance control. Another thing. You can't have the
distance control it with a zero torque putter.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
But like I said, there are certain things that a
conventional you know, arcing stroke will help with that. I've
seen most of the greatest putters of our day use.
And then you know, it's very difficult to try to
keep the putter dead square up and down the target line.
I actually think that there's more manipulation in that than
(01:49):
there is and trying to keep the.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Square to an arc. And that's not because I think
that way.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's because we stand to the side of the ball,
and any any short when you stand the side of
the ball, whether it be tennis, golf, baseball, whatever, you
have to make a slight arcing motion to hit the
ball straight. And so it's a great way of squaring
the club base up there But the beauty of the
of the zero torque putters is if you've got a
guy that's let's say, got a cutstroke. Remember Billy Mayfair
back to day, I'm kindaging myself a little bit when
(02:15):
I say that he won on the tour with a cutstroke,
and Billy's face was really square at impact. And again
that's the most important piece. I'm never gonna be brashing
up to say there's something wrong with putting that way.
I mean, if you shoot sixty seven, I don't care
what you do, you know, But if you're struggling, yeah,
I mean I got that drugging from my good friend
(02:35):
Stan Ottley. I'm a player first, I don't care. You know,
if you play well, we're not going to change anything.
Which I try to really emphasize the people when I
work with him and whatnot. But again, I think that
the beauty of the zero torque cutters is that they
really emphasize having to face square at impact, which is
very difficult for a lot of people and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But if it's a both, it takes good practice to
accomplish that, doesn't it, And a lot of people just
don't want to put in the time.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That's exactly correct.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They want to buy a game, which today we can
buy a game more than we ever have with clubs
that don't spend the ball as much, with balls that
don't spend as much.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
That's actually a.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Complaint that a good player will have that talk going like,
I can't draw it when I want to draw it,
I can't faite it when I want to fait it,
because this.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Equipment is made to not spend today.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So at any rate, it's just it's I would say
that those zero tworkers are wonderful, especially for shorter putts,
for these people that don't practice a whole lot, right
because now all of a sudden you're making that three footer,
you're making that four footer, so instead of having a
three butt, you do have a two put you know,
eight feet and in. It makes them really really good.
It doesn't guarantee thirty five feet and in is going
to be a tapped in after that. Not saying that
(03:47):
you can't do that, but again, it automatically with technology
really helps the facey squared impact, which is most crucial,
particularly from eight feeting in right there.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Do you think you and I will live long enough?
You might, I won't to see the first gyroscopic controlled putter.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, it's just you know, you know, that's a big word, Doug.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Think about it. I mean, they can they made they
have these movie cameras now where somebody can be just
running alongside someone else and the camera when it's filming,
when when it's videoing, has it perfectly level and the
person who's holding is bouncing and jumping and all that,
and they just have a gyroscope.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yes, that's exactly right. Yes, all right, Doug. Let's see
how let's see how good you are? Who made that?
Who made that popular and famous? First? Not a clue?
What movie? I have? No irocky oh yeah, Rocky.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
When Stalloan was running up the steps, yep uh, they
were using a steady cam to run up the steps
as well with.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Him, to make it look as steady as it was.
It wouldn't. I hope the game doesn't get that complicated.
I'd love that there's there'd be some some art steal
into this.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But at any rate, the technology is cool. You know what,
these guys have figured it out too, that if someone
will spend six or seven hundred bucks in a driver,
we'll do the same thing for a putter.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Now it's like scary.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
If the manufacturers have figured out because that's how it
these putters costs. You know, it's like amazing what people
will pay. But I mean people will do anything to
make more putts, you know, and so and technology.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Is pretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And again, like I said, just based on whatever it
is you're looking to do right there, If it's just
a one time affair, a couple of times a month, whatever,
and you just want to make a few more putts,
I mean, it's a great situation. I'm not saying it's
not good long term. But you know, I don't see
the absolute best putters that have ever lived using a
(05:40):
putter like that. Even if they came back on the
tour today, they would still use what they what they used.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I think.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Again, I'm not downplaying or talking bad about zero torq putters,
but you know, at the same time, there is a
feel and our element to it. I don't I don't
see Ben Crunchy using zero torq butter. I kind of.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Agree with you, I really do.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I would rather practice and get a consistent stroke then
rely on a putter to do it for me. For
three footers that I might make one more of out
of five. Hey, I got a bounce man, but thank
you Tommy. Tommy ogolf dot com. Is that right? I
hope I got it right?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Uh, you got it right, absolutely, Doug, Yeah, yeah, thank
you Tommy.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
All right man, audios my friend, Okay, can you get
get that for me? Yeah, it's tommy ogolf dot com.
He's out at Blackhawk and you can anybody who wants
lessons from him can get them out there from him
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