Replayed on November 29, 2025. Doug's insightful interview with Tommy O'Brien, for your listening pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, really outstanding. Put him on the phone. Holy cow,
Hey t O, we finally found you.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I didn't realize that I called in, and didn't they realize
you were trying to call me.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I never got a phone call with.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well, yeah, that's I don't Frankie was trying to dial
the number and every time he'd start dialing, the line
would just go dead.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
So we're here though, Let's don't worry about that.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So you and I wanted you to kind of, in
your from your point of view, talk about what I
was talking about.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Whether it's more important to buy.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
A fancy putter that's supposed to keep you from from
turning on an arc and keep that club face square
all the way through the putt somehow, or just learning
to use a good solid swing and use your own
muscles to keep it squared up.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, like it was, like I was saying you, Doug,
there's you got to kind of know the mindset of
the of the person. Are there someone that's going to
work on their game and and they want to get
better and all avenues of putting, or are they just
looking for.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Something that helped some twice a month when they're or
once a weekend when they're when they're playing.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know, the most important fundamental in putting is the
face square at impact. And the beauty of the zero
torque putters is that that really helps average joe do that.
Like I said, ninety percent of putting is the face
of impact right there. What a zero What a zero
torque does not guarantee is great distance control. Another thing,
you can't have good distance control with it with a
(01:26):
zero torque putter. But like I said, there are certain
things that a conventional you know, arcing stroke will help
with that. I've seen most of the greatest putters of
our day use. And then you know, it's very difficult
to try to keep the putter dead square up and
down the target line.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I actually think that there's more manipulation in that than
there is and trying to keep the square to an arc.
And that's not because I think that way. It's because we.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Stand to the side of the ball, and any any
short when you stand the side of the ball, whether
it be tennis, golf, baseball, what you have to make
a slight arcing motion to hit the ball straight.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And so it's a great way of squaring the club
base up there.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
But the beauty of the of the zero torque putters
is if you've got a guy that's let's say, got
a cutstroke.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Remember Billy Mayfair back to the day. I'm kind of
aging myself a little bit when.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I say that he won on the tour with a cutstroke,
and Billy's face was really square at impact. And again
that's the most important piece. I'm never gonna be brashing
up to say there's something wrong with putting that way.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, if you shoot sixty seven, I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Care what you do, you know, But if you're struggling, yeah,
I mean I got that drugging from my good friend
Stan Ottley.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I'm a player first, I don't care. You know, if
you play well, we're not going to change anything.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Which I try to really emphasize the people when I
work with him and whatnot. But again, I think that
the beauty of the zero torque putters is that they
really emphasize having to face square at impact, which is
very difficult for a lot of people and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But if it's a both, it takes good practic just
to accomplish that, doesn't it, And a lot of people
just don't want to put in the time.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That's exactly correct.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They want to buy a game, which today we can
buy a game more than we ever have with clubs
that don't spend the ball as much, with balls that
don't spend as much. That's actually a complaint that a
good player will have that talk going like, I can't
draw it when I want to draw it, I can't
fade it when I want to fit it, because this
equipment is made.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
To not spend today. So at any rate, it's just it's.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I would say that those zero torkers are wonderful, especially
for shorter putts, for these people that don't practice a
whole lot, because now all of a sudden you're making
that three footer, you're making that four footer, so instead
of having a three putt, you do have a two putt,
you know, eight feet and in. It makes them really,
really good. It doesn't guarantee thirty five feet and in
is going to be a tapped in after that, Not
to say that you can't do that, but again, it
(03:48):
automatically with technology really helps the face be squared impact,
which is most crucial, particularly from eight feeting in right there.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Do you think you and I will live long enough?
You might?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I want to see the first gyroscopic controlled putters.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Just you know, you know, that's a big word.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Doug, think about it.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean, they can they made They have these movie
cameras now where somebody can be just running alongside someone
else and the camera when it's filming, when when it's videoing,
has it perfectly level, and the person who's holding is
bouncing and jumping and all that, and they just have
a gyroscope.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yes, that's exactly right. Yes, all right, Doug.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Let's see how let's see how good you are? Who
made that? Who made that popular and famous? First?
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Not a clue?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
What movie?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh yeah, Rocky.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
When Stallan was running up the steps, yep uh, they
were using a steady cam to run up the steps
as well with him, to make it look as steady
as it was. And whatnot.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I hope the game doesn't get that complicated. I'd love
that there's there'd be some some art still to this.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But at any rate, the technology is cool. You what,
these guys have figured it out too, that if someone
will spend six or seven hundred bucks on a driver
who do the same thing for a putter, it's like
scary if the manufacturers figured out.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Because that's how about these putters cost. You know, it's
like amazing what people will pay.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But I mean people will do anything to make more putts,
you know, and so technology.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Is pretty incredible. And again, like I said, just based
upon whatever it is you're looking to do right there,
If it's just a one.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Time affair, a couple of times a month, whatever, and
you just want to make a few more putts, I mean,
it's a great situation. I'm not saying it's not good
long term. But you know, I don't see the absolute
best putters that have ever lived using a putter like that.
Even if they came back on the tour today, they
would still use what they what they used.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I think.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Again, I'm not downplaying or talking bad about zero torq putters,
but you know, at the same time, there is a
feel and our ailment to it. I don't I don't
see Ben crunch by using sero tork butter.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I kind of agree with you, I really do.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I would rather practice and get a a consistent stroke
then rely on a putter to do it for me
for three footers that I might make one more of
out of five. Hey, I got a bounce Man. But
thank you Tommy. Tommy ogolf dot com.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Is that right? I hope I got it right?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Uh, you got it right, absolutely, Doug, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, thank you Tommy.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
All right, Mando audios my friend. Okay, can you get
get that for me? Yeah, it's Tommy ogolf dot com.
He's out at Blackhawk and you can anybody who wants
lessons from him can get them out there from him
Oh, really outstanding. Put him on the phone. Holy cow,
Hey t O, we finally found you.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I didn't realize that I called in, and didn't they realize
you were trying to call me.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I never got a phone call with.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well, yeah, that's I don't Frankie was trying to dial
the number and every time he'd start dialing, the line
would just go dead.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
So we're here though, Let's don't worry about that.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So you and I wanted you to kind of, in
your from your point of view, talk about what I
was talking about.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Whether it's more important to buy.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
A fancy putter that's supposed to keep you from from
turning on an arc and keep that club face square
all the way through the putt somehow, or just learning
to use a good solid swing and use your own
muscles to keep it squared up.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, like it was, like I was saying you, Doug,
there's you got to kind of know the mindset of
the of the person. Are there someone that's going to
work on their game and and they want to get
better and all avenues of putting, or are they just
looking for.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Something that helped some twice a month when they're or
once a weekend when they're when they're playing.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know, the most important fundamental in putting is the
face square at impact. And the beauty of the zero
torque putters is that that really helps average joe do that.
Like I said, ninety percent of putting is the face
of impact right there. What a zero What a zero
torque does not guarantee is great distance control. Another thing,
you can't have good distance control with it with a
(01:26):
zero torque putter. But like I said, there are certain
things that a conventional you know, arcing stroke will help
with that. I've seen most of the greatest putters of
our day use. And then you know, it's very difficult
to try to keep the putter dead square up and
down the target line.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I actually think that there's more manipulation in that than
there is and trying to keep the square to an arc.
And that's not because I think that way. It's because we.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Stand to the side of the ball, and any any
short when you stand the side of the ball, whether
it be tennis, golf, baseball, what you have to make
a slight arcing motion to hit the ball straight.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And so it's a great way of squaring the club
base up there.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
But the beauty of the of the zero torque putters
is if you've got a guy that's let's say, got
a cutstroke.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Remember Billy Mayfair back to the day. I'm kind of
aging myself a little bit when.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I say that he won on the tour with a cutstroke,
and Billy's face was really square at impact. And again
that's the most important piece. I'm never gonna be brashing
up to say there's something wrong with putting that way.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, if you shoot sixty seven, I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Care what you do, you know, But if you're struggling, yeah,
I mean I got that drugging from my good friend
Stan Ottley.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I'm a player first, I don't care. You know, if
you play well, we're not going to change anything.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Which I try to really emphasize the people when I
work with him and whatnot. But again, I think that
the beauty of the zero torque putters is that they
really emphasize having to face square at impact, which is
very difficult for a lot of people and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But if it's a both, it takes good practic just
to accomplish that, doesn't it, And a lot of people
just don't want to put in the time.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That's exactly correct.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They want to buy a game, which today we can
buy a game more than we ever have with clubs
that don't spend the ball as much, with balls that
don't spend as much. That's actually a complaint that a
good player will have that talk going like, I can't
draw it when I want to draw it, I can't
fade it when I want to fit it, because this
equipment is made.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
To not spend today. So at any rate, it's just it's.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I would say that those zero torkers are wonderful, especially
for shorter putts, for these people that don't practice a
whole lot, because now all of a sudden you're making
that three footer, you're making that four footer, so instead
of having a three putt, you do have a two putt,
you know, eight feet and in. It makes them really,
really good. It doesn't guarantee thirty five feet and in
is going to be a tapped in after that, Not
to say that you can't do that, but again, it
(03:48):
automatically with technology really helps the face be squared impact,
which is most crucial, particularly from eight feeting in right there.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Do you think you and I will live long enough?
You might?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I want to see the first gyroscopic controlled putters.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Just you know, you know, that's a big word.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Doug, think about it.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean, they can they made They have these movie
cameras now where somebody can be just running alongside someone
else and the camera when it's filming, when when it's videoing,
has it perfectly level, and the person who's holding is
bouncing and jumping and all that, and they just have
a gyroscope.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yes, that's exactly right. Yes, all right, Doug.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Let's see how let's see how good you are? Who
made that? Who made that popular and famous? First?
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Not a clue?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
What movie?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh yeah, Rocky.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
When Stallan was running up the steps, yep uh, they
were using a steady cam to run up the steps
as well with him, to make it look as steady
as it was. And whatnot.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I hope the game doesn't get that complicated. I'd love
that there's there'd be some some art still to this.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But at any rate, the technology is cool. You what,
these guys have figured it out too, that if someone
will spend six or seven hundred bucks on a driver
who do the same thing for a putter, it's like
scary if the manufacturers figured out.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Because that's how about these putters cost. You know, it's
like amazing what people will pay.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But I mean people will do anything to make more putts,
you know, and so technology.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Is pretty incredible. And again, like I said, just based
upon whatever it is you're looking to do right there,
If it's just a one.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Time affair, a couple of times a month, whatever, and
you just want to make a few more putts, I mean,
it's a great situation. I'm not saying it's not good
long term. But you know, I don't see the absolute
best putters that have ever lived using a putter like that.
Even if they came back on the tour today, they
would still use what they what they used.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I think.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Again, I'm not downplaying or talking bad about zero torq putters,
but you know, at the same time, there is a
feel and our ailment to it. I don't I don't
see Ben crunch by using sero tork butter.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I kind of agree with you, I really do.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I would rather practice and get a a consistent stroke
then rely on a putter to do it for me
for three footers that I might make one more of
out of five. Hey, I got a bounce Man. But
thank you Tommy. Tommy ogolf dot com.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Is that right? I hope I got it right?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Uh, you got it right, absolutely, Doug, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, thank you Tommy.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
All right, Mando audios my friend. Okay, can you get
get that for me? Yeah, it's Tommy ogolf dot com.
He's out at Blackhawk and you can anybody who wants
lessons from him can get them out there from him
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