Replayed on December 21, 2025. Doug's insightful interview with Tommy O'Brien, for your listening pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Now Here's Doug Pike Sports Talk seven to ninety second
in the final hour of today's program starts now, and
I'm gonna lead it off with a call to my
good friend Tommy O'Brien out there at black Hawk Country Club,
who was honored by Golf magazine and it's in the magazine.
We can really talk about it now as a teacher
(00:21):
to watch in this great country of ours. How does
that feel, Tommy?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Uh, it's it's pretty unbelievable, you know, to get recognized
by a lot.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Of your peers and this and that just just speaks volumes,
you know. I mean, it's just humbling. Doug, very believe
to be on the list.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You know how long you've worked for this. I can
believe it. Probably believe in it at all. I'll do.
I'll believe it twice so you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I'm trying to believe you being on top of
the mountain by yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Did I hear that correctly?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh? Man? It was so fine. Dropped off of a helicopter,
you know, and the he had to punch a skid
in twice to find a rock to drop me off on.
And I was standing in waist deep snow. Yeah, so
that was that was pretty sporty. Couldn't move. That's okay,
let's talk.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
About Yeah, there's no excuse on number two. Then you
should not hear that hole anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
If you can do that, that's a good point. I'm
just I'm just going to air it out and go
for it. So where to talk about the earliest part
of your golf instruction. Not not your little kids swinging
the plastic club, but when did you first feel like,
you know, I want to teach this game?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Honestly, in college when I was a walk on over
at Sam Houston State, my teammates were very good and
they would beat my brains out when they were playing
golf together.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But for some reason they would ask me for help
because they knew.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I was a student of the game and I enjoyed
that and whatnot. And one of my teammates, Brandon Turner,
would work with me a little bit and brand Kischnick
and Brandon and Brandt both one Division one events, and
they said that I helped him, and I don't know
how much I believe that or not, but definitely made
suggestions and I I think it helped him.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
As a kid growing up.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I grew up watching Jim Murphy teach at my home clubs,
the country club, and he always looked like he was
just having a great time teaching, talking golf and literally,
as he says, making people stay.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And that's just kind of the direction I went.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I didn't have the greatest of playing careers, but I
did seem to connect to good players on the teaching level,
and that's just kind of where it went. And it's
just been kind of a divine experience ever since. With
who the Good Lord is put in front of me.
Teacher was to experience and to learn from. And that's
(02:47):
that's the big key with with teaching is you know,
having good people, good good guys. There's no way more
than you saying, hey, come out and watch, and come
out and learn.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And ask questions and and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I started out working for Jim Murphy and the Golf
Visit and he wouldn't let me teach for six months
because you got to watch me for six months. That
you put out a good product, he says, you once
your once you're out and you've done something bad, then
the words out on you.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
There.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, that's a good point kind of in a nutshell
how it started.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Now, Yeah, bad teachers don't stay teachers very long, do they.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, the dogs at Chase cars and pros and chase cars,
none of them last very long.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
As Lee Trevido would say.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh my word. You know, something struck me when I
when I saw the what you sent me this morning
where it says, uh, it says golf teachers to watch
twenty six and twenty you know, twenty twenty six, twenty
twenty seven. And I think that maybe you should make
a suggestion next time they run a chart like that
up put it hit it golf teachers to hire.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Maybe, you know, it's just a thought, exactly, just.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
The thought you don't want I'm staying at the other
end of the range watching you.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's correct, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What would you do You even have one piece of
information that anybody gave you that really resonates and is
still just stuck in your brain all the way today.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, the huge thing with teaching is the correct diagnosis.
I mean, Doug, there's.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So many theories and thoughts and things to do, and
I you know.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I was I was blessed to be around.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Jim Murphy and Jim party who who showed me how
to properly diagnose the swing. They seem to have their
own theories and their ways of thinking on how to
swing a club, but impact is kind of indisputable. So
if I'm helping you, or helping anyone else in the world,
I feel like I've got a really good shot of
really helping them because, you know, let's say they went
to the doctor.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And they have a bum right elbow. You know, if I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Sitting there looking at their left me the whole lesson,
I'm off. You know, I want to be able to
help someone help them quickly, and what key to that
is to have the right diagnosis, whether it's with your
health or or with your golf health. So at any rate,
it's it's huge to have that. You can argue theory
and whatnot all day, but you can't argue what's wrong
(05:14):
with someone's golf swing from an impact perspective.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's just that's just what's wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
You know, if you have the flu, you got the flu,
you know, so you need to take a tamil flu there.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So that's been the huge thing for me over the years,
is really getting.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
A good grasp of diagnosing and then understanding what elements
that I show people how it applies to that to
that problem.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
You know, does it make it worse?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Is it make it better?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Right there? And there's a specific way to kind of
do that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
It's reverse engineering, really, isn't it. You have you already
know the goal, You already know where the finish line is.
You just have to figure out how to get them there.
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, you're you're a detective.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Absolutely, You're going back from the ball flight from the
ground and then you look at the golf swing and
and you kind of figure out where to apply a
small change to create a different impact and go from there.
It's an amazing process. I've been blessed to learn from
a World Golf Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's an amazing process.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
What's interesting is how casually you talk about it and
how comfortable you are with talking about golf when a
lot of the people who are listening now are thinking, yeah,
but I don't know how I have to how do
I do that? And the way you get better I'll
patch you guys collectively as instructors on the back. The
way you get better at golf is learning from somebody
(06:35):
who understands the game and can actually teach the game
and not go into your scram or not you were scrambled,
but your little golf buddy on Saturday morning who's an
eighteen handicap and you're asking him about how to hit flopshots.
That's just it's not going to pay off, is.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And I feel so sorry in our industry today and
our business though, assistant golf pro listings and tell them
they'll make five or ten extra thousand dollars teaching in
a year, and I'm like, if they're not, if they
don't have any proper training there.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And so you have to have someone who's willing to mentor,
and that's a lost art.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Unfortunately in the in the PGA of America.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
For the most part, is that a lot of corporate
has taken over, and pro's times are just taken away
from playing the game and teaching the game, and so
these young kids that want to be golf pros and
PGA pros end up quitting because they can't make enough
to take care of.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Themselves, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
And again that's that's where I was blessed, was that
I had people that were very willing to mentor and share.
I mean, I'm wasn't I see Chuck Cook to help
myself and to learn from him. He's eighty plus years old,
still learning and still willing to help other people.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And I just that's how I want to be, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Like me.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I'm not eighty yet. I'm not eighty yet, Tommy, but
I'm still learning. Man, I'm trying. I'm trying with all
absolutely squeeze another five yard cards out of that driver.
Get those chip shots a little bit closer. I might
be somebody someday.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
You're well, No, you're a love learn You give himself
credit if you just stay back.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's all you got to Doug. Just stay back.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, And honestly, that one little thing every time,
you know, here's here. I don't know whether you intended
to plant this seed in my head, but it's planted
in my head. Okay. You you got on me so
hard about staying back, staying back until impact, stay back
to impact. And you showed me on video and you
showed me when I freeze frame after a swing and
whatnot that I was pushing my whole body forward through
(08:32):
the ball. So now, no matter where the ball if
it doesn't go exactly where I wanted to go. All
I tell myself is stay back. I'm not linking, I'm
not thinking about anything else. Stay back and it works.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It's well, and it does for you because a key
to hitting really solid is to keep your arc the
same for the most part.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
When you narrow the arc.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's when people really start to miss hit. I mean
it might not hit it, you know awful, you know,
direction wise, but they'll miss it. And that's what most
people do.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So that's I mean to know if someone's doing that
or not. Like it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Solid with compression, that's the goal what every lasting doug
is solid with compression. And that could be straight, that
could be a five yard draw, that could be a
five yard fade. The key is solid with compression for
me every single lesson, and luckily I've been shown.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
That by some really cool instructors over the years. How
to really emphasize that as.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
A reminder before we run out of time here, you
can you can teach anybody out there at black Hawk.
They don't have to be members to take lessons correct.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I'm blessed they let me teach anyone as long as
they follow the code.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
The dress code out here.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yes, please, absolutely, that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, tucked in shirt, collar shirt, no, dimn there you go.
We're good to go on that.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But get up, let's go. How do they find you, Tommy?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
They can find me on my website at temmeo golf
dot com. My phone numbers on there as well. Just
shoot a text go from there. I'm also on end
Instagram at tommyo Golf, So if you want to kind
of see what I'm about and go from there, you can.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You can do that absolutely, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Partner, have a good day out there, Thanks Tommy. Yes, sir,
what a great guy. I've known him since he was
in his twenties literally, I mean, and he's not anymore,
that's for sure. And I've seen him teaching at a
lot of different places around town, and every place he's
been he's done a good job. I'm sure they've they've
(10:27):
kept him as long as as a better offer didn't
come along. And I'm comfortable saying that he's comfortable where
he is right now. And I see him out there
giving lessons in one of the things that I admire,
and I'm sure it's something that most great golf teachers do.
But Jim Murphy was one of the first to kind
(10:48):
of show me or use this technique on me. All
of these guys are capable. They'll dig into your like you,
what do you what else do you do for fun?
What do you do? You like to fish, you like
to hunt, do you like to go bowling? What else
do you do physically in your life other than golf?
And once they find out what you really like and
(11:09):
what you can really relate to other than trying to
swing a golf club, which none of us wake up
born and start swinging clubs. They help transmit the information
they're trying to get into your head by using some
sort of analogy that brings in that. I've heard Tommy
talk to me a lot about different things, like in
(11:31):
fishing and in baseball. There were baseball issues in my
swing for long, for a long long time. Same with
my sons, and he used analogies that incorporated baseball to
tell us what we needed to hear. Same thing with
someone who likes something else. I've heard him out there
talking about any and every other sport you can imagine
(11:53):
and relating it then to that person's golf swing so
that they can understand better how he wants them to
swing the club. And in the end, it's kind of
just like he said, and impact is impact. It's got
to be right. And all he's trying to do is
tell you and me and everybody else who's getting a
lesson from him. All the great instructors do this. This
(12:13):
is why he's on that list of teachers to watch.
They can make it personal for you. And that's man,
You'll you'll like golf a lot more. I know I do.
He's He's helped me with a couple of things over
the years. He'll see me struggling and chopping up golf
balls out there and walk down to how's it going, Doug, like,
uh oh uh oh, he saw me. He saw me
(12:34):
hit that last one. Oh boy, I'm in trouble. And
I say, yeah, I didn't stay back on that one.
He yep. Every time, just every time. And it's it.
It's a process. It's not going to happen overnight. But
if you if you get in there and you go
through the process, you too can be a better golfer.
Now Here's Doug Pike Sports Talk seven to ninety second
in the final hour of today's program starts now, and
I'm gonna lead it off with a call to my
good friend Tommy O'Brien out there at black Hawk Country Club,
who was honored by Golf magazine and it's in the magazine.
We can really talk about it now as a teacher
(00:21):
to watch in this great country of ours. How does
that feel, Tommy?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Uh, it's it's pretty unbelievable, you know, to get recognized
by a lot.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Of your peers and this and that just just speaks volumes,
you know. I mean, it's just humbling. Doug, very believe
to be on the list.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You know how long you've worked for this. I can
believe it. Probably believe in it at all. I'll do.
I'll believe it twice so you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I'm trying to believe you being on top of
the mountain by yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Did I hear that correctly?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh? Man? It was so fine. Dropped off of a helicopter,
you know, and the he had to punch a skid
in twice to find a rock to drop me off on.
And I was standing in waist deep snow. Yeah, so
that was that was pretty sporty. Couldn't move. That's okay,
let's talk.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
About Yeah, there's no excuse on number two. Then you
should not hear that hole anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
If you can do that, that's a good point. I'm
just I'm just going to air it out and go
for it. So where to talk about the earliest part
of your golf instruction. Not not your little kids swinging
the plastic club, but when did you first feel like,
you know, I want to teach this game?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Honestly, in college when I was a walk on over
at Sam Houston State, my teammates were very good and
they would beat my brains out when they were playing
golf together.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But for some reason they would ask me for help
because they knew.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I was a student of the game and I enjoyed
that and whatnot. And one of my teammates, Brandon Turner,
would work with me a little bit and brand Kischnick
and Brandon and Brandt both one Division one events, and
they said that I helped him, and I don't know
how much I believe that or not, but definitely made
suggestions and I I think it helped him.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
As a kid growing up.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I grew up watching Jim Murphy teach at my home clubs,
the country club, and he always looked like he was
just having a great time teaching, talking golf and literally,
as he says, making people stay.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And that's just kind of the direction I went.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I didn't have the greatest of playing careers, but I
did seem to connect to good players on the teaching level,
and that's just kind of where it went. And it's
just been kind of a divine experience ever since. With
who the Good Lord is put in front of me.
Teacher was to experience and to learn from. And that's
(02:47):
that's the big key with with teaching is you know,
having good people, good good guys. There's no way more
than you saying, hey, come out and watch, and come
out and learn.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And ask questions and and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I started out working for Jim Murphy and the Golf
Visit and he wouldn't let me teach for six months
because you got to watch me for six months. That
you put out a good product, he says, you once
your once you're out and you've done something bad, then
the words out on you.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
There.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, that's a good point kind of in a nutshell
how it started.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Now, Yeah, bad teachers don't stay teachers very long, do they.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, the dogs at Chase cars and pros and chase cars,
none of them last very long.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
As Lee Trevido would say.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh my word. You know, something struck me when I
when I saw the what you sent me this morning
where it says, uh, it says golf teachers to watch
twenty six and twenty you know, twenty twenty six, twenty
twenty seven. And I think that maybe you should make
a suggestion next time they run a chart like that
up put it hit it golf teachers to hire.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Maybe, you know, it's just a thought, exactly, just.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
The thought you don't want I'm staying at the other
end of the range watching you.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's correct, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What would you do You even have one piece of
information that anybody gave you that really resonates and is
still just stuck in your brain all the way today.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, the huge thing with teaching is the correct diagnosis.
I mean, Doug, there's.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So many theories and thoughts and things to do, and
I you know.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I was I was blessed to be around.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Jim Murphy and Jim party who who showed me how
to properly diagnose the swing. They seem to have their
own theories and their ways of thinking on how to
swing a club, but impact is kind of indisputable. So
if I'm helping you, or helping anyone else in the world,
I feel like I've got a really good shot of
really helping them because, you know, let's say they went
to the doctor.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And they have a bum right elbow. You know, if I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Sitting there looking at their left me the whole lesson,
I'm off. You know, I want to be able to
help someone help them quickly, and what key to that
is to have the right diagnosis, whether it's with your
health or or with your golf health. So at any rate,
it's it's huge to have that. You can argue theory
and whatnot all day, but you can't argue what's wrong
(05:14):
with someone's golf swing from an impact perspective.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's just that's just what's wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
You know, if you have the flu, you got the flu,
you know, so you need to take a tamil flu there.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So that's been the huge thing for me over the years,
is really getting.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
A good grasp of diagnosing and then understanding what elements
that I show people how it applies to that to
that problem.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
You know, does it make it worse?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Is it make it better?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Right there? And there's a specific way to kind of
do that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
It's reverse engineering, really, isn't it. You have you already
know the goal, You already know where the finish line is.
You just have to figure out how to get them there.
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, you're you're a detective.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Absolutely, You're going back from the ball flight from the
ground and then you look at the golf swing and
and you kind of figure out where to apply a
small change to create a different impact and go from there.
It's an amazing process. I've been blessed to learn from
a World Golf Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's an amazing process.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
What's interesting is how casually you talk about it and
how comfortable you are with talking about golf when a
lot of the people who are listening now are thinking, yeah,
but I don't know how I have to how do
I do that? And the way you get better I'll
patch you guys collectively as instructors on the back. The
way you get better at golf is learning from somebody
(06:35):
who understands the game and can actually teach the game
and not go into your scram or not you were scrambled,
but your little golf buddy on Saturday morning who's an
eighteen handicap and you're asking him about how to hit flopshots.
That's just it's not going to pay off, is.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And I feel so sorry in our industry today and
our business though, assistant golf pro listings and tell them
they'll make five or ten extra thousand dollars teaching in
a year, and I'm like, if they're not, if they
don't have any proper training there.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And so you have to have someone who's willing to mentor,
and that's a lost art.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Unfortunately in the in the PGA of America.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
For the most part, is that a lot of corporate
has taken over, and pro's times are just taken away
from playing the game and teaching the game, and so
these young kids that want to be golf pros and
PGA pros end up quitting because they can't make enough
to take care of.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Themselves, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
And again that's that's where I was blessed, was that
I had people that were very willing to mentor and share.
I mean, I'm wasn't I see Chuck Cook to help
myself and to learn from him. He's eighty plus years old,
still learning and still willing to help other people.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And I just that's how I want to be, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Like me.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I'm not eighty yet. I'm not eighty yet, Tommy, but
I'm still learning. Man, I'm trying. I'm trying with all
absolutely squeeze another five yard cards out of that driver.
Get those chip shots a little bit closer. I might
be somebody someday.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
You're well, No, you're a love learn You give himself
credit if you just stay back.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's all you got to Doug. Just stay back.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, And honestly, that one little thing every time,
you know, here's here. I don't know whether you intended
to plant this seed in my head, but it's planted
in my head. Okay. You you got on me so
hard about staying back, staying back until impact, stay back
to impact. And you showed me on video and you
showed me when I freeze frame after a swing and
whatnot that I was pushing my whole body forward through
(08:32):
the ball. So now, no matter where the ball if
it doesn't go exactly where I wanted to go. All
I tell myself is stay back. I'm not linking, I'm
not thinking about anything else. Stay back and it works.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It's well, and it does for you because a key
to hitting really solid is to keep your arc the
same for the most part.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
When you narrow the arc.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's when people really start to miss hit. I mean
it might not hit it, you know awful, you know,
direction wise, but they'll miss it. And that's what most
people do.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So that's I mean to know if someone's doing that
or not. Like it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Solid with compression, that's the goal what every lasting doug
is solid with compression. And that could be straight, that
could be a five yard draw, that could be a
five yard fade. The key is solid with compression for
me every single lesson, and luckily I've been shown.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
That by some really cool instructors over the years. How
to really emphasize that as.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
A reminder before we run out of time here, you
can you can teach anybody out there at black Hawk.
They don't have to be members to take lessons correct.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I'm blessed they let me teach anyone as long as
they follow the code.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
The dress code out here.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yes, please, absolutely, that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, tucked in shirt, collar shirt, no, dimn there you go.
We're good to go on that.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But get up, let's go. How do they find you, Tommy?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
They can find me on my website at temmeo golf
dot com. My phone numbers on there as well. Just
shoot a text go from there. I'm also on end
Instagram at tommyo Golf, So if you want to kind
of see what I'm about and go from there, you can.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You can do that absolutely, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Partner, have a good day out there, Thanks Tommy. Yes, sir,
what a great guy. I've known him since he was
in his twenties literally, I mean, and he's not anymore,
that's for sure. And I've seen him teaching at a
lot of different places around town, and every place he's
been he's done a good job. I'm sure they've they've
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kept him as long as as a better offer didn't
come along. And I'm comfortable saying that he's comfortable where
he is right now. And I see him out there
giving lessons in one of the things that I admire,
and I'm sure it's something that most great golf teachers do.
But Jim Murphy was one of the first to kind
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of show me or use this technique on me. All
of these guys are capable. They'll dig into your like you,
what do you what else do you do for fun?
What do you do? You like to fish, you like
to hunt, do you like to go bowling? What else
do you do physically in your life other than golf?
And once they find out what you really like and
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what you can really relate to other than trying to
swing a golf club, which none of us wake up
born and start swinging clubs. They help transmit the information
they're trying to get into your head by using some
sort of analogy that brings in that. I've heard Tommy
talk to me a lot about different things, like in
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fishing and in baseball. There were baseball issues in my
swing for long, for a long long time. Same with
my sons, and he used analogies that incorporated baseball to
tell us what we needed to hear. Same thing with
someone who likes something else. I've heard him out there
talking about any and every other sport you can imagine
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and relating it then to that person's golf swing so
that they can understand better how he wants them to
swing the club. And in the end, it's kind of
just like he said, and impact is impact. It's got
to be right. And all he's trying to do is
tell you and me and everybody else who's getting a
lesson from him. All the great instructors do this. This
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is why he's on that list of teachers to watch.
They can make it personal for you. And that's man,
You'll you'll like golf a lot more. I know I do.
He's He's helped me with a couple of things over
the years. He'll see me struggling and chopping up golf
balls out there and walk down to how's it going, Doug, like,
uh oh uh oh, he saw me. He saw me
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hit that last one. Oh boy, I'm in trouble. And
I say, yeah, I didn't stay back on that one.
He yep. Every time, just every time. And it's it.
It's a process. It's not going to happen overnight. But
if you if you get in there and you go
through the process, you too can be a better golfer.
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