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November 24, 2025 • 14 mins
Originally aired on November 23, 2025. Doug's insigtful interview with Mitchell Holder, for your listening pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Eight nineteen on Sports Talk seven to ninety The Dougpike Show.
Thank you for listening. Certainly do appreciate it. It's got
a text message during the break from Mitchell Holder and too,
so we don't have to risk anything interrupting us this time.
I'm gonna go ahead and bring him up right now.
I'll give me my mouse over here, Mitchell. We're finally huh.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
No rain today, No, no beautiful morning out here. Doug.
How are y'all doing?

Speaker 1 (00:24):
You know, we're doing just fine. I was driving in
and thinking about you from yesterday. I couldn't I talked
about it when I started the show this morning. I
couldn't find you anywhere. I thought you'd rolled off in
a ditch somewhere. Man.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
No, I just had to get some time to dry
out dry some of these customers out that didn't listen
to the forecast. You know.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
You know it's so easy now that the rain gear
is so lightweight, there's no reason to just leave it
at home. Just stuff it in the bag and if
you need it, and it's kind of like a for me,
it's same in my golf bag. I've got rain gear,
and boy, if it starts raining, I'm really glad I
got it.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, And it's not like we're hoofing it out there anymore.
You throw it on the buggy, you know, you're not
strapping it to your back and walking three hundred three
hundred yards down all way.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of lightweight time, isn't it. Yeah,
back when men were men, we had to just all
everything out on our backs. Oh my lord, I'm so
glad you got that buggy, man.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I don't miss it.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I don't miss it, man. Yeah, it was rough. So
talk about let's let's come into the present here, get
out of the pass for a minute. Talk about how
the season started, and bear in mind we're twenty days
into it. That's about it, so it's not like it's
the end of the world three weeks in. It started
off pretty slow for everybody, though, didn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
For honest it was pretty good, Okay, Yeah, we were.
We're really fortunate we still had quite a few blue
wings hanging around and uhlu hanging around that kind of Yeah.
That definitely helps. Yeah, but mostly mostly to you and
Teal and Gadwall some pintail, you know, even even when

(02:04):
they're nrey. Yeah, I don't want to come in. But yeah, no,
it's it's really been a great guard for the season.
I have no complaints. I have heard other reports of
it being kind of tough around the prairie. But but
fortunately for us, we got good farmers that that you know,

(02:25):
I know how to get water.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
You and you work with them. Huh.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I had a guy. I had a guy. I love
getting pictures. I really do a deer hunt, fishing, duck hunt, whatever.
And one guy, after opening weekend, I think it was
on Monday or maybe Tuesday, he sent me a picture
from the blind of an empty strap and a full
box of shells, and I get it.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, well I'll have to send you a
picture after this. Oh yeah, this one that we're on
right now. We uh, these pintail have been mean to
us lately, and so we just uh. We we have
a good crew that was down to get in some
layouts on a big permanent levee and nice we stok
about thirty thirty. There's a decent wind this morning. Yeah,

(03:12):
we put about thirty rags back behind us, and sure enough,
I think we're sitting on fifteen twenty ducks and ten
snow geese.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Are you kidding.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
They're following right now. Oh yeah, what they shot into Okay,
Oh man, I'm sitting inside of a tractor right now
to get good service. Yeah, highest point.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
So how many geese you got down there right now?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Not very many, but uh but I was surprised to
see this many this morning. You know, we really just
put them out for confidence.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, for the dogs else.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah. Right, So yeah, it's a few more fronts and
more rice getting cut. But it is later than it's
ever been for me thrown, not throwing a goosebread.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
So you know it's I don't know how many you've got,
but you got ten less than you had yesterday.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Now, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Man. So you told me, you told me the other
day you had a bunch of cranes down there too, right.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, they're starting to show up pretty thick
down here, and so we just have to kind of
sit around and watch them for another a little less
than a month. It opens that thirteenth of December, when
ducks reopen. It's a second year in a row that
cranes in the reopener after the split or the same weekend.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
So that's nice.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I got my hand, I got my hands full that weekend.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
But you do man, good gosh, what about let's talk
about decoy spreads for a couple of minutes, because a
lot of people are just giddy over putting out a
bajillion decoys on a half achere or of water U
a lot.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
And you and I were talking the other day about
how if you have that many decoys out, too many
decoys out, and they're too close together, that's almost it
gives you appearance that the ducks are worried about something
and they're all kind of gathering the troops instead of
being nice and relaxed and spread out. But it's harder
to set that big spread out spread of decoys. You

(05:21):
just got to do the work if you want the
ducks right.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I think that I meant lead. The bald eagle
population down here is exploded. So when you when you're
scouting and you kind of see them bunched up like that,
they're probably want in a tree close by. You know,
as much as it's kind of a pain to pick
them up when they're all real loose and spread out,

(05:45):
it's easy to throw them loose. It's just yeah, you
got to go get a lot more walking.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Is there any way can you could? You could? Have
you ever tried stringing decoys kind of like they do
in the bays up north, where you just have thirty
decoys on one line and you just kind of set
them out off on the wind and let them go. Really,
I don't know if that'll work so much in some
of the water we hunt. It's just too shallow though,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's shallow you know. Well on super calm days, I'll
put a jerk rig out there kind of moves them
in a straight line. But yeah, it's just like with anything, right,
straight lines aren't really a natural feature in anything, so
I try not to throw it do anything in straight lines. Really.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Well, these guys up north they'll put out like they
put them close enough together and stagger them a little
bit where it really doesn't look so much like a
straight line. I'll give them credit for that. They figured
that out. But I'm just trying to find out some
way that without taking the buggy out in the water,
you can just drop off five hundred decoys.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, not any efficient way of doing it, really,
but it is, Uh, it's a lot easier than it
used to be. At least we don't have to wrap
those olds around the neck. Weight wrap it around the neck,
you know. Yeah, gentlem in a big mesh decoy bag.

(07:15):
These need Yeah, the new those Texas rigs are they
make things go back.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Let's go back to geese for a minute too. You
know you talked about well you have like two or
three dozen rags behind you in the stubble.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Sometimes it doesn't take any more than that. And you
almost gotta kind of let the birds tell you. I
saw it on Facebook this morning. If I can find
it again, I'll send it to you. These guys have
I swear to you. Remember that spread we put out
for the du deal. They are five for every one
we had out and it's just staggering looking. And I
don't know how long it takes them to do that,

(07:52):
but I promise you they're not picking them up every day.
And I'm a strong advocate if you if you put
it out today, you pick it up today and get
it out of the fields of the birds don't know it.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
You agree with that, yeah, yeah, absolutely, well yeah, you
just I mean these things, even the even the socks
that we're throwing out, I mean, they're not They're not
like the old Texas Texas rags that were what sixty
cents apiece. I mean even even the Tievek. You know,
these Tievek rags we run are just too expensive for

(08:24):
just leaving out.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
You know, I didn't thought about it, but somebody might
come through and just wipe out your spread in.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
The middle of the nine Yeah, that's whole.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Four guys behind you. Hell yeah, we got nine hundred
decoys out in this field. That sun comes up, they're
just gone, oh my lord.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah. Usually if I if I got to throw more
than uh a thousand whites and two hundred speckle bellies,
it's if they don't do it.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
With that, then you're you're putting out a thousand piece spreads.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
It just depends on how many how big the group is,
you know, it's if it's four people, I kind of think,
you know, roughly one hundred, one hundred and fifty decoy
if someone can stick in the ground. Depending on the
field conditions, you know, if it's super sloppy and you've
got older guys, it might be better off maybe just
doing a tombo hunt with on the edge, just some water,

(09:21):
with some speckle belly full bodies or you know, been
a little easier then.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I'm with you everything, you know, your work crew.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. Do you still times where I
want to throw a big spread and then it's fifteen
minutes still shooting time. It's like, well, that's that's what's there.
That's what we're gonna have to work with right there.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, that's all you're going to have. I can what
do you still get guys coming in who've been who
show up still kind of half tanked and been at
the ladies clubs all night long and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Not so much Mucho.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Campo probably, I guess though too.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's pretty farn I mean El Campo. If you got
if there's maybe a concert at Greek Brothers or something,
you know, it's really you get people that are staying
at our lodge that you know, there's times where they
definitely have late nights and you got to rally the troops.
But if you're to get there and you know, Paul
Paul's making coffee an hour and a half before, no,

(10:28):
it's time to even get them to leave.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
You know, we had guys coming out deal back to
the old Katy Prairie stuff. It was so close to Houston.
They would stay up like around where Beltway eight is
right now, and they'd be in the Gentlemen's clubs untill
they closed, and then oh yeah, go straight back to
the hotel and grab their camo and come on out
to the prairie. Like, you guys aren't going to be

(10:53):
any good putting out of spread this morning.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah. There's been a handful of times where where we've
had to just y'all, just especially out at the lodge.
You know, you can tell they went to bed about
thirty minutes prior before the coffee pot yeah started, and
it's like, you'll just we're good, you'll just stay yeah,
stay there, we'll take the rest of the crew.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
We'll do an afternoon teal.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Oh yeah. It's fun being a guy, though, isn't it
When you're young. I'd tell you right now I couldn't
do what you do. There's no way. I don't have
it left in me. But I enjoyed every minute of it.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
When I it. It's fun. I'm on year nineteen. Oh yeah,
still gotta still enjoy gotta enjoy it while it's still around,
you know.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, that's true. You know you're You're at a point
when the prey could go either way, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, you see the development creeping down fifty nine and it,
uh you know, start thinking, you start thinking about the future,
and it's like, we'll see, we'll.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Ride this pony where we're Smart Financials Center is now
out off there. In fifty nine there were two or
three straight winners when late late when everything all the
prey was eating up, geese were piling into that field
that close to sugar Land just right there.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Man, Well, golly, you know I live right there.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, a great area.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
And back at the George Ranch. Mm hmm. You go
back that way towards towards the park and I'm still
right fields you used to be able to see, you know,
slug a specklebellies here, sure and there. And I think
that whole George Ranch complex, I imagine it'll be a subdivision

(12:39):
pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
That So, what's your forecast for this season that we're
in right now When we look back on it in
February or March, what do you think we're going to say?

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Start strong, which is good. First splits been solid. I
haven't been crazy busy. A lot of my customers still chasing,
chasing that their deer. Sure you know this part of November,
but but it's it started strong and we've still got
plenty of food for them. So if you, uh, if
we just manage this thing right, I think it'll turn

(13:13):
out to be a really good season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Man, Well, with all the with all the technology that
you have, and and when when we did that du hunt,
I really saw what a modern good spread is supposed
to look like. And I know you've got a ton
of investment in there, a lot more than we did
for rags on sticks.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I guarantee it.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
But but it does make a difference. I'll concede that.
You know, I used to kind of go I don't
need those full bodies, But looking at the difference from
a distance, when you walk away from it and look
back at it, like the bird sit, it's yeah, it's
worth every dime you're putting into them. Mitchell. I really
appreciate your time this morning too.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh yeah. Yeah. It's all about concealment too. If if
you're if you're whether you're you're in a duck line
or or in a goose spread with a white park,
if you got someone shining at that case, shining mirror sunglasses.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah those are good.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, neon neon hat, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, all yeah, yeah. If you got for about two seasons,
you've seen most of it. Holy cow. All right man,
Well look Mitchell Holder Waterfowl Specialties dot Com is your website.
I hope that's right, Yes, sir, that's good man. I'll
come look you up.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Thank you, Mitchell, Thank you so much, dog the good
rest of y'alls weekend.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, get back to.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
You, guys.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
They shoot anything while we were talking.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
They've bollyed twice. So walk down this levee and see
if we I think I saw a couple more fall,
but I'm looking up a muddy tractor.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, you're sitting in a nice warm tractor too, aren't you.
All right? Hey, thank you Mitchell. Thanks audios
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