July 31, 2025 • 11 mins
Doug's insightful interview with Ed Arrighi, for your listening pleasure. Originally aired on July 26th, 2025.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ed, what's up now much?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
How are you this morning?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
I'm very well, thank you good.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Uh you had a question about humidity and shuckun shells.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Oh is that you had a ringing man that was fast?
Holy cow?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Somebody asked a minute ago.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I think it was Brandon who asked about shot traveling
in very dense, very heavy humid air and whether or not.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That humidity can affect.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Like muscle velocity, and well, not muscle velocity, but downrange velocity.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yep, not at all.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
That's what I was.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
That's what I said, and that's what I had my
fingers crossed when I said it. I didn't think so
either not at hunting ranges or not at target ranges anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
No, well, that's not at the usable usable velocities and distances, right,
shotguns or shot in tournaments and pouring rain you can
see the shot going through the range.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Where did you help to shoot in that much rainhead?
Holy cal? I don't even remember, you don't want to remember.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Probably not really.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's the only time humidity really affects us would be
very long term storage of shotgun shell older shotgun shells.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Specially paper shell.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, oh yeah, and you.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Know that that will have some deleterious effect on them,
but really nothing else will.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I remember when steel shot first came out and how
just dreadful it was. If it got even damp, and
oh my god, we had to start carrying. Eric Hilton
was the first one who did it, and we all
followed his lead, and then every guy on the prairie
followed his lead. He started carrying a three foot down rod,
(01:51):
a half inch three foot half inch down rod. Just
jam those things back out of the barrel, Jam the
wads out you.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Had, I mean there were there were and after the
worst part about it wasn't us. The worst part about
it was what it did as the birds. It was
just not oh yeah, dispatching birds at all. And that
that was when you just cripple everything and watch sail
off and it was just horrible stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, it's it's better now, but not nearly like it was.
So what's the next big shoot coming up? At American.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We're just kind of right now doing our monthly.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Registered tournaments.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
The are the wing shooting areas that the flying targets
getting a little more busy these days.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I would imagine they have to be huh, yeah they are.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's it's it's it's it's doing well. It's steady.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's retracted something a few years ago and it's been
slowly building back.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But yeah, we're healthy.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
The thing that I.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Don't understand is why the average shotgun or what the
average guy who hadn't picked up his gun since last year.
He goes out on opening day and if he's got
if he only had one by he probably gonna have
three boxes. But if he only had one box of shells,
how many doves? You think he'd bring home.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Four or five?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
You're more generous. I had three fingers held up in
the air. You're more generous than Meah No, I watched
so many they come back with this five gallon bucket
full of hull, full of holes and three doves sitting
on top of them.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
You know, like, that's.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Actually that's a pretty good average. I think nationwhy it's
about eight shells for bird?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Right, Yeah, that's that's exactly what it's and it always
has been because people don't think they need instruction or
don't think they'll gain enough from instruction, when in fact,
over the course of a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
They probably save them money.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Oh, absolutely, And and that's solely changing Americans. Oysmen very
reticent about receiving instruction, especially shotgun instructions. We're kind of
a nation of rifles, rifle shooters and will take rifle instruction.
But now with the with the growth of sporting clothes
and someone tens of thousands of youth shooting programs and
(04:04):
there's so much good instruction out there.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Every everybody's getting better.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Hey, you mentioned youth shooting programs.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Tell me a little bit more about what's out there
that I don't know about.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
There's not to be honest, there Well, there's some around
he probably the best one around here is kind of
centered out at Greater Houston. Ron ron Ingalls runs it
and it's the Houston Select Shooting Program.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
He's real, real guys, real shooting huh.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh, yeah, yeah, they're He's got a couple of hundred
kids under his wing and they they pay their parents
pay two three hundred bucks a month each and they
get a lot of personalized instruction and uh, they're they're
all kids that want to get in the competitive sports
(05:04):
of sporting clays and get better better, and they are
they're getting they're getting really good, and they'll go different
areas of the state and different areas of the country
and compete. And it's uh in the up in the
in the Midwest, it's all trap shooting.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
They're huge, huge ata trap shooters up there.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
The youth shoots up there that they'll run ten days
and have like five thousand kids in them.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Oh my god, it's crazy. I mean, I was.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I was just about to say this sounds like travel
ball for shotguns. But no, I don't know that I've
ever been to a five thousand kid tournament.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I don't know. I don't think I have.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I've been to some big ones. But sporting clays are
very healthy pretty much. And part of the reason why
we don't do any of the bigger tournaments anymore is
we really don't have I don't It sounds silly, but
we don't really have the facilities for it. Because most
of the bigger tournaments now will have anywhere from five
hundred to one thousand competitors. Yeah, and they they require
(06:04):
that the facilities have r V spots and bathrooms and
all kinds of word. We just don't do over there.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
No, I don't know that it would be worth the
investment to put it in, would it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Maybe it takes a long time. Yeah, yeah, it takes
a long long time.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
So there are venues around the country that that do
a lot of that, and they do a very very
good job of it. We just were our niches, kind
of our growing our local shooters with our monthly tournaments,
and we do a good job of that, and we're
we're more of a feeder system, okay for major tournaments,
and we're fine with that.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
God had a riga here from American shooting Centers. I
don't get you on the phone very often, so I'm
going to hang on to you for a minute. What's
the biggest, biggest mistake dove hunters make that they could
correct the most easily to make them better shooters.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Stop looking at the end of the gun?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah yeah, ye.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Stop looking at the bead is not a sight, yeah,
not like a front side and a rifle.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You don't use it to align with whatever you're shooting at.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
A shotgun is shot the same way a baseball bat
is swung, and that means you're never really you never
really look at the bat, You just look at the ball.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That's a really good way to put it. I haven't
never heard that from you or anybody else, but that's
exactly well.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, there's here's a good little nugget for you. The
shotgun shooting is identical to two other sports. And it's
going to sound a little bit weird, but the two
other sports the shotgun shooting is identical to are tennis
and baseball.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, because in tennis and baseball and shotgun shooting, you're
asking your body to do the exact same task, and
what that task is is to see a moving object
in three dimensions and intercept that object with your hand
eye coordination. A tennis player has to learn to see
if a tennis ball is coming over the net with
(08:09):
tops inner side skin.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's the only way you can ever learn where it's
gonna bounce to.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Baseball player can only hit well if they learn to
see the stitches of the color stamp.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
On the ball.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
What happens is when you when you see when you're
looking hard to see the stitches, a very real occurrence
happens in your brain, which is called hard focus. And
when you hard focus on a moving object, two very
real things happen inside your brain. It slows down and
it grows in size in your mind's eye.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yes, if you.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Ask the professional baseball coach, you know, he'll he'll tell
one of his players, man, you're really hitting good this week.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And the guys just gonna tell and say, I don't know.
They just look big right now.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, yeah and slow.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
That's yeah, big, big and slow. And when we're shooting, well,
everything we look at is big and slow.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
We learned we don't have stitches, but our targets have corners, edges,
top bottom, shiny spots from the sun reflection. We learned
to look at different spots on the target, not the
whole target as a whole, and it refines your vision.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
That's you could not have said it better.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And I hope everybody who's listening to us right now
realizes that this is why you need to go take
a few lessons, because come out there and get lessons
from a professional instructor, even three or four times will
give you so much information that you can then go
practice and have good practice, which is going to make
(09:46):
you better. When I learned this method you're talking about
right now, I.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Went into it.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I went into it kind of hardheaded, I've been shooting
competitively for most of my life. I've been shooting as
a guide forever, weeping up after people who couldn't shoot.
And I thought, there's no way that I'm going to
learn anything new with this, and all of a sudden
to suit it, like holy cow, I didn't know those
doves were flying that slow.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I didn't know they could be that big.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
And it's all of a sudden, Instead of trying to
hit a bebee being raced out of an airplane, you're
looking at a You're looking at a refrigerator falling out
on the back of a truck.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And yeah, it's it's fascinating, it really is.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Ed.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I'm so glad I got you on the phone this morning.
Thank you man.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
No, it's fun to see when the light goes off.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched it with my son. I
watched it happen all of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, So thank you man, Thank you very much, EDORIGI
my pleasure, all right, Oh anytime, Yeah, thank you, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well there you have it right out of the horse's mouth.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
This guy Edariggy owns American shooting centers if you didn't
know it, and he has been out there for I
don't know, ten twelve years now, maybe more, and he's
just made it better and better. And he's one of
the best instructors I've ever been around, and would happily
he or anybody really on his staff who's involved in
(11:16):
teaching shotgunning is going to teach that method. And believe me,
it will change the way you shoot, and it will
change the number of targets you hit. You'll go from
seven or eight shells a bird to maybe maybe three
or four really quickly, and then with good practice and
(11:36):
repetition of the right motions and the right site plane,
you'll get better and better. Yeah, it's fun, it really is.
I got to get out there. I'm gonna take my
buddy Rob Logan out there pretty soon, and I'm pretty
sure we're going to have a really, really good time.
Ed, what's up now much?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
How are you this morning?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
I'm very well, thank you good.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Uh you had a question about humidity and shuckun shells.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Oh is that you had a ringing man that was fast?
Holy cow?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Somebody asked a minute ago.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I think it was Brandon who asked about shot traveling
in very dense, very heavy humid air and whether or not.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That humidity can affect.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Like muscle velocity, and well, not muscle velocity, but downrange velocity.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yep, not at all.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
That's what I was.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
That's what I said, and that's what I had my
fingers crossed when I said it. I didn't think so
either not at hunting ranges or not at target ranges anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
No, well, that's not at the usable usable velocities and distances, right,
shotguns or shot in tournaments and pouring rain you can
see the shot going through the range.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Where did you help to shoot in that much rainhead?
Holy cal? I don't even remember, you don't want to remember.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Probably not really.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's the only time humidity really affects us would be
very long term storage of shotgun shell older shotgun shells.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Specially paper shell.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, oh yeah, and you.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Know that that will have some deleterious effect on them,
but really nothing else will.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I remember when steel shot first came out and how
just dreadful it was. If it got even damp, and
oh my god, we had to start carrying. Eric Hilton
was the first one who did it, and we all
followed his lead, and then every guy on the prairie
followed his lead. He started carrying a three foot down rod,
(01:51):
a half inch three foot half inch down rod. Just
jam those things back out of the barrel, Jam the
wads out you.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Had, I mean there were there were and after the
worst part about it wasn't us. The worst part about
it was what it did as the birds. It was
just not oh yeah, dispatching birds at all. And that
that was when you just cripple everything and watch sail
off and it was just horrible stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, it's it's better now, but not nearly like it was.
So what's the next big shoot coming up? At American.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We're just kind of right now doing our monthly.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Registered tournaments.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
The are the wing shooting areas that the flying targets
getting a little more busy these days.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I would imagine they have to be huh, yeah they are.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's it's it's it's it's doing well. It's steady.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's retracted something a few years ago and it's been
slowly building back.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But yeah, we're healthy.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
The thing that I.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Don't understand is why the average shotgun or what the
average guy who hadn't picked up his gun since last year.
He goes out on opening day and if he's got
if he only had one by he probably gonna have
three boxes. But if he only had one box of shells,
how many doves? You think he'd bring home.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Four or five?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
You're more generous. I had three fingers held up in
the air. You're more generous than Meah No, I watched
so many they come back with this five gallon bucket
full of hull, full of holes and three doves sitting
on top of them.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
You know, like, that's.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Actually that's a pretty good average. I think nationwhy it's
about eight shells for bird?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Right, Yeah, that's that's exactly what it's and it always
has been because people don't think they need instruction or
don't think they'll gain enough from instruction, when in fact,
over the course of a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
They probably save them money.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Oh, absolutely, And and that's solely changing Americans. Oysmen very
reticent about receiving instruction, especially shotgun instructions. We're kind of
a nation of rifles, rifle shooters and will take rifle instruction.
But now with the with the growth of sporting clothes
and someone tens of thousands of youth shooting programs and
(04:04):
there's so much good instruction out there.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Every everybody's getting better.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Hey, you mentioned youth shooting programs.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Tell me a little bit more about what's out there
that I don't know about.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
There's not to be honest, there Well, there's some around
he probably the best one around here is kind of
centered out at Greater Houston. Ron ron Ingalls runs it
and it's the Houston Select Shooting Program.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
He's real, real guys, real shooting huh.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh, yeah, yeah, they're He's got a couple of hundred
kids under his wing and they they pay their parents
pay two three hundred bucks a month each and they
get a lot of personalized instruction and uh, they're they're
all kids that want to get in the competitive sports
(05:04):
of sporting clays and get better better, and they are
they're getting they're getting really good, and they'll go different
areas of the state and different areas of the country
and compete. And it's uh in the up in the
in the Midwest, it's all trap shooting.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
They're huge, huge ata trap shooters up there.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
The youth shoots up there that they'll run ten days
and have like five thousand kids in them.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Oh my god, it's crazy. I mean, I was.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I was just about to say this sounds like travel
ball for shotguns. But no, I don't know that I've
ever been to a five thousand kid tournament.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I don't know. I don't think I have.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I've been to some big ones. But sporting clays are
very healthy pretty much. And part of the reason why
we don't do any of the bigger tournaments anymore is
we really don't have I don't It sounds silly, but
we don't really have the facilities for it. Because most
of the bigger tournaments now will have anywhere from five
hundred to one thousand competitors. Yeah, and they they require
(06:04):
that the facilities have r V spots and bathrooms and
all kinds of word. We just don't do over there.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
No, I don't know that it would be worth the
investment to put it in, would it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Maybe it takes a long time. Yeah, yeah, it takes
a long long time.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
So there are venues around the country that that do
a lot of that, and they do a very very
good job of it. We just were our niches, kind
of our growing our local shooters with our monthly tournaments,
and we do a good job of that, and we're
we're more of a feeder system, okay for major tournaments,
and we're fine with that.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
God had a riga here from American shooting Centers. I
don't get you on the phone very often, so I'm
going to hang on to you for a minute. What's
the biggest, biggest mistake dove hunters make that they could
correct the most easily to make them better shooters.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Stop looking at the end of the gun?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah yeah, ye.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Stop looking at the bead is not a sight, yeah,
not like a front side and a rifle.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You don't use it to align with whatever you're shooting at.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
A shotgun is shot the same way a baseball bat
is swung, and that means you're never really you never
really look at the bat, You just look at the ball.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That's a really good way to put it. I haven't
never heard that from you or anybody else, but that's
exactly well.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, there's here's a good little nugget for you. The
shotgun shooting is identical to two other sports. And it's
going to sound a little bit weird, but the two
other sports the shotgun shooting is identical to are tennis
and baseball.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, because in tennis and baseball and shotgun shooting, you're
asking your body to do the exact same task, and
what that task is is to see a moving object
in three dimensions and intercept that object with your hand
eye coordination. A tennis player has to learn to see
if a tennis ball is coming over the net with
(08:09):
tops inner side skin.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's the only way you can ever learn where it's
gonna bounce to.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Baseball player can only hit well if they learn to
see the stitches of the color stamp.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
On the ball.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
What happens is when you when you see when you're
looking hard to see the stitches, a very real occurrence
happens in your brain, which is called hard focus. And
when you hard focus on a moving object, two very
real things happen inside your brain. It slows down and
it grows in size in your mind's eye.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yes, if you.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Ask the professional baseball coach, you know, he'll he'll tell
one of his players, man, you're really hitting good this week.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And the guys just gonna tell and say, I don't know.
They just look big right now.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, yeah and slow.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
That's yeah, big, big and slow. And when we're shooting, well,
everything we look at is big and slow.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
We learned we don't have stitches, but our targets have corners, edges,
top bottom, shiny spots from the sun reflection. We learned
to look at different spots on the target, not the
whole target as a whole, and it refines your vision.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
That's you could not have said it better.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And I hope everybody who's listening to us right now
realizes that this is why you need to go take
a few lessons, because come out there and get lessons
from a professional instructor, even three or four times will
give you so much information that you can then go
practice and have good practice, which is going to make
(09:46):
you better. When I learned this method you're talking about
right now, I.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Went into it.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I went into it kind of hardheaded, I've been shooting
competitively for most of my life. I've been shooting as
a guide forever, weeping up after people who couldn't shoot.
And I thought, there's no way that I'm going to
learn anything new with this, and all of a sudden
to suit it, like holy cow, I didn't know those
doves were flying that slow.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I didn't know they could be that big.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
And it's all of a sudden, Instead of trying to
hit a bebee being raced out of an airplane, you're
looking at a You're looking at a refrigerator falling out
on the back of a truck.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And yeah, it's it's fascinating, it really is.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Ed.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I'm so glad I got you on the phone this morning.
Thank you man.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
No, it's fun to see when the light goes off.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched it with my son. I
watched it happen all of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, So thank you man, Thank you very much, EDORIGI
my pleasure, all right, Oh anytime, Yeah, thank you, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well there you have it right out of the horse's mouth.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
This guy Edariggy owns American shooting centers if you didn't
know it, and he has been out there for I
don't know, ten twelve years now, maybe more, and he's
just made it better and better. And he's one of
the best instructors I've ever been around, and would happily
he or anybody really on his staff who's involved in
(11:16):
teaching shotgunning is going to teach that method. And believe me,
it will change the way you shoot, and it will
change the number of targets you hit. You'll go from
seven or eight shells a bird to maybe maybe three
or four really quickly, and then with good practice and
(11:36):
repetition of the right motions and the right site plane,
you'll get better and better. Yeah, it's fun, it really is.
I got to get out there. I'm gonna take my
buddy Rob Logan out there pretty soon, and I'm pretty
sure we're going to have a really, really good time.
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