Astros Take the Game In Flashy Walk Off Home-run Sitting 1-1 In the Series, Final Game Tonight !

Astros Take the Game In Flashy Walk Off Home-run Sitting 1-1 In the Series, Final Game Tonight !

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It might seem crazy. They would a mouth say.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
First bit swinging ground balls to the third base of Parades,
he back hands goes to second out Rogers the first
double play.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
That's what Robert does.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Great play by Parades, good turn by Rogers and the
Astros are out of the gym.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Play three and a half. Because if you feel because
if you feel like happiness is the true because something happiness.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Because kicking round ball left side right at pain, it's
a second for one Rogers the first double play, second
double play turn by the Astros infield and as many
innings over. The third goes past Betino, but two big outs.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
That's not the type of pitch you think you're gonna
get a ground ball on that was elevated quite a
bit above the belt. Red bro still topped it.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
No offense to you who don't wish your time because something.
If you feel because an your rockets went deep.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
To left field, then you can's.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
A good mind. I love the community.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Later signed here, mcpainia turns on the.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Bastball and we're tied. Had won Ania Ghoste for the
sixth time this year.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Try to get a basketball inside of Payna bring and
he answered quickly, the quick murder, the quick hands, bring
the Astros tied up a pin, bring.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Me down, came, bring me down.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Down, breaking that hammered he to left field said good bye, he.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Suck for eighty spin.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
How good of the season as a walk up winter,
my Astros peak the Royals to the one shut up
this series at a game of.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
Page Oh, we're all happy, all right enough? Wait know
they left the dugout. Everybody's happy, right, Astros win. We
didn't get good Fromber last time. We got great Fromber.
The gas Fromber is back.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Baby.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
We got a walk off, and we got the game
played in two hours and eight minutes. I mean, my goodness,
what a night, lovely. Can't ask for much more than that.
More time for the city of Houston to lock in
on the NBA playoffs.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Maybe not, That's okay.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
We're good as good for me as a television watcher
last night, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Good morning everyone.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
Our time is ten oh four day Sports Talk seven ninety.
It is a Wednesday edition of the program, and we
are with you today until two pms. We are each
and every day ten o'clock until two. They give us
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Speaker 1 (03:14):
Two we love it. Converse with you, folks, We love it, Matt.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
How about Chris Boubach six and a third innings, one
run ball. You don't get a win from er Valdez.
Eight innings of one run ball, you don't get a win.

Speaker 7 (03:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Baseball is cruel. It is a cruels.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
That's why the whole thing about three hundred wins is
going to be something we'll never discuss again, never ever.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Ever. Two point fifty might be out of the way. Yeah,
I mean it might be.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
The automatic might be two hundred, which doesn't feel like
it should be an automatic. But I think we're frankly
moving in a time where we're seeing pitch counts mean
more in the last fifteen to twenty years we ever
had before. Yes, and guys are still ripping up their
time their UCLs.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
I mean the reality is you you know when this
even before I was even watching baseball. I mean, you
had Bob Gibson, and you had Tom Severer, and you
had early Nolan Ryan. You had all these guys that
were going deep into games. I mean, they were throwing
ten inning games. If you would have told Nolan Ryan
in nineteen seventy four about a six man rotation.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
The hell you talking about my gain? He's saying it's
my No.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
I threw one hundred and eighty eight pitches, and every
time I went on the mind, and then I threw
two innings the next day. Yeah, he's a different Yeah,
it is a different time. And that's why I think
the shifting of the automatics are in. I also believe
that three thousand hits is an automatic. I mean it's
always been that way. I can somebody that hasn't hit
for three thousands in the base, well, that's actually not true.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Pete Rose is a Rafael Palmerrow. Okay, excuse me.

Speaker 7 (04:45):
Let me.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
Let me preface those that have not been associated with
something of illegal activity.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
I think did very bonds get over.

Speaker 8 (04:55):
That?

Speaker 6 (04:55):
I can't tell you, but but I want to say no.
But Paul Merrow and Pete Rose the two that come
right to mind. And we will get to Pete Rose
on the conversation board today. By the way, I might
going to have a little bit of a different take
on the Pete Rose situation. Not necessarily not necessarily controversial, yeah,
but kind of a not a well, of course, that's

(05:15):
what baseball was supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Matter of fact, I'll do it right now.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
So Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe and some others were
now reinstated back into eligibility for potential ensriment into Baseball's
Hall of Fame. Yes, it had to be a veterans
committee to do that. At this point. The reality to
me is it's kind of a dumb moment. When someone
has a lifetime band, that means that technically, when they're dead,

(05:45):
the band is over with now, while Shoeless Joe's came
out for as long as he has is a different issue.
But Pete Rose served a lifetime ban and I don't
mean to be right on the end of that deal
with absolutes there, but if you don't live anymore and

(06:07):
you're no longer with us, the band is over right.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Help me out with this, I.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
Mean, I guess logically, but it would be a lifetime banishment.
Would you would that mean the lifetime of the Hall
of Fame? What about that?

Speaker 9 (06:20):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (06:21):
No, no, no, no, yeah, but it still should be
for all time. Can you explain this to me? Why
are they being reinstated? They cheated, and they cheated and
bet on baseball. Am I I feel like that's and
I just don't get it. He now sheos Jackson, Joe Jackson.
People point to his stats. They were good in that
World Series. So he didn't throw the games as much.

(06:41):
But he knew about it, and he was complicit and
he didn't say anything, and and the series was thrown. Yeah,
and all of the black Socks got reinstated. Correct, That
is correct. They they're actively fixing a World series.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Why did I don't understand?

Speaker 6 (06:58):
I just don't get it, because I do believe comes
down to well, in Pizzi's cases easy because he passed
within the last year, but the rest of the guys
but years. Yeah, I'm okay with that. So let me
give you my second take on this. Okay, just because
he is now eligible for it, I stuck. Got a
pretty good feeling he's not getting in okay, And I

(07:20):
don't know if it's because of enough old school people
are in there.

Speaker 9 (07:25):
Now.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Help me out?

Speaker 6 (07:26):
Is it he doesn't go like into eligibil like he
gets voting on every year. It's it's a veterans yea.
I think it'd be a veterans thing. It's a veterans thing,
and I think the veterans probably rossy. I was told
this twenty years ago. The veterans are probably more pissed
off than the regular print media. The baseball riders do it. Yeah,
but time heals all wounds. And maybe the Veterans Committee
wasn't as right now as many contemporaries as there once was.

(07:49):
I don't know, No, that's fair, but a veterans Committey's
always going to have veterans on. It's always gonna have
guys that have been around forty five ways. Yeah, it
probably seemed like a much, much bigger deal to people
who lived through that when that scandal happened. Reading it
about it in a book doesn't give you the feeling
of walking around when it happened, right, Like I mean,
I don't want to compare it to like major I

(08:10):
don't want to say nine to eleven and jfk assassination,
but you get my point, like when the thing major
sports things happen as scandals happened, like when the OJ
Simpson thing was happening, that was way more nuts than
it is, and just reading about it and watching a
documentary or the Tiger Woods scandal or whatever here and
I really, I'll be honest with you. In the last
thirty years, I have gone back and forth on Pete

(08:33):
and on my flots van this, and I don't know
if it's because I'm inconsistent or I just wake up
with a different tone on it, and we don't talk
about it a whole lot. It was certainly a conversation
piece very early in my broadcast career. A lot of
me says, there's a lot of guys in the Baseball
Hall of Fame that have done way worse things. Okay,
that's part of me. Another part of me says, the

(08:56):
rule is all over the place. Every year Major League
Baseball talks to its players. Every time you go to
a clubhouse, there are lists of you cannot dos, and
the number one thing that you cannot do list is
bet on baseball. And it's it's there's no fun, there's
no gray, black and white, there's.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
No uh ami. What do you call am ambiguity? Ambiguity?

Speaker 6 (09:20):
It is if you bet on baseball, you are permanently
you are you have a lifetime ban. So there's no misunderstanding.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
There's And the.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
Thing is, he did it for a long period of time,
and the worst part of it for me is that
he never showed remorse. Rossy until he had to sell
a book. Correct, That's that's kind of my I just
don't get it, Like, why is he being reinstated or
I guess it's reinstatement just because he's dead and it
was a lifetime ban. Yeah, is that what you're going with?

(09:53):
I'm going I'm going off of the lines of it.
Joe Jackson has been dead for a long while. You
sure to reinstate the all time hit king when he's
dead and have a conversation with him while he's alive.
So I wasn't blown away by the news of yesterday.
And I also thought the second thing I thought of was,
I don't know if it's it could take him a
while to get in, if it ever does. It's the

(10:13):
sixteen member Classic Baseball Era Committee which would get him in,
and they do not meet again until twenty twenty seven
for some reason. I don't know if they meet every
five years or yeah, it's a couple of years. Yeah,
So I would go ahead, and I know we don't
do gut feelings, and maybe I'll save it for next week.
I don't know if twenty twenty seven is the year
that Pete Rose gets in, and if you're Pete Rose's family,
Do you even show up?

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Do you go? Man? You see you waited for the
guy to die before you get let him in.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
And then ultimately I get mad at Pete because I
wish Pete would have shown him some remorse, because we
are forgiving society. And if Pete would have said, god,
I goofed up and I'm sorry, and what can I
do to make up for this? I think baseball would
have gotten an opportunity to say, all right, people make mistakes,
we'll let you back in.

Speaker 8 (10:57):
No.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, he denied, and he lied about it, and active
baseball manager was betting on games, in his own games.
You just can't do that.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
I'm sorry, but even I can't tell you. I can
tell I can tell you is if he would have
shown any bit of remorse ross we are forgiving society,
Yeah we are.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
But he didn't.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
And what did he do the rest of his life?
He sold his signal, he sold his autographs. He need
more money because of all that he was doing, betting
shows and he was doing this. And then finally he
writes the book and fesses up. And then that was
even a disingenuous conversation. And look Pete's not the most savory,
was never the most savory person. I mean, hell of
a ball player, great teammate, but I don't think you're

(11:43):
under the list of wonderful human beings. Pete Rose is
on the top ten of that list. I mean you
and I are certainly. Now, there was a funny tweet
to say, Pete Pete is looking up at us and smiling. Now,
how funny that is? I might I don't want to
go to hell. There is one, but it's not your
judgment to make mad. It is not my judge. They
didn't ask my opinion, So I just it was just
a real bizarre day for me yesterday that there was

(12:06):
so much outrage on the Twitter streets of you know,
oh man Ford, you did this? Now you know you
couldn't even do it while he was alive. How much
did Pete want to really do something he didn't deserve it.
I'm sorry, I don't understand. Like I said, if someone
can explain it to me, I'm open minded about it.
But just from my eyes, he was an active manager

(12:26):
in baseball, betting on games, including his own. That deserves
lifetime management. I mean, it's as cut and dry as
it gets and that's the thing I can't shake. If
somebody has a counter argument, I'm open to it. But well,
because the counter argument was, you don't know, there was
other people that probably did they didn't get caught.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Okay, Well, I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
There's other people. There's people that get away with murder.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't lock up murders. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I get it. I understand, I understand. All right,
Oh jay.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Hmm. That was for Adam Clinton. He's probably asleep. There's
no chance Adams listen the show right now. That's okay,
we appreciate him.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
He's probably doing another Facebook video or something working on
his YouTube page. All right, ladies and gentlemen on the
radio program today. So we've been trying to think of
a definitive name for the eleven thirty segments to day.
And I don't even know if this is even gonna
be any good. I don't even know if this is
gonna work for even one week. But we usually do
shut your ball mass up. We're gonna do this week

(13:23):
good to hear from you. We'll just tell us license
life stories. You're gonna do the opposite instead of telling
somebody to shut their by mass up. You're gonna say, man,
it's good to hear from you this the Ross. I
have a feeling this is gonna be a complete disaster.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I thinks for good. Are you sure? Maybe?

Speaker 6 (13:41):
I do not think this is gonna go well, I
gotta come up with something good to hear from you,
and please tell me more that's gonna be coming up today.
Uh oh, I have you know on the show we
have a Brian Bogask at eleven o'clock and we'll get
his thoughts on the Astros impressive win, which he worked
the pregame yesterday for Space City the News at noon
we've got leieve it or not and we have you.
It's seven one three two one two five seven ninety

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seven to one three two one two five seven ninety
Our time is ten fifteen.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
It is a Matt tomashil Rosso.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
We thank you very much for spending the next next
three hours and forty five minutes with us here on
Sports Talk seven ninety so. One of the arguments about
Pete Rose being in despite all the things we talked
about was this.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
The things he did.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
To get Hall of Fame status is as an active player,
and that's without argument. The only argument that I have back
to that is is that you have to be in
order to be in Baseball's Hall of Fame, are eligible
to be in Baseball's Hall of Fame, yet to be
in good standing within the sport of baseball. And Pete Rose,

(14:44):
when it was time for him to be eligible to
go in the Baseball's Hall of Fame, was not in
a good standing lifetime ban. So that kind of, you know,
unfortunately knocks out all of his player accomplishments because the
fact that in terms of baseball eligibility he was he
was not allowed to be assistant in the sport. Yeah,

(15:06):
I don't know. I'm just having a hard time finding
sympathy for the guy who committed the crime that he did,
lied about it for years. Also, by the way, committed
statutory rape in the seventies. He's sleeping with a fourteen
year old in his mid thirties.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's gross.

Speaker 6 (15:29):
Again, my belief is, and this is what I wavered
over the years, is that if he would have just
come clean within the first I don't know, year, two
five years, I don't know, you could have spent the
next fifteen twenty years of his life rebuilding his image
in case, and I think that we would have been
a forgiving enough country that had been in a public
support to say, okay, we now reinstated. But it never

(15:50):
happened until the book came out because he was looking
to turn a profit. And that's what bugged me because
Pete Rose when I was a young kid, I love
watching Pete Rose play. I love the fact that and
Charlie hustle was the term that was used because he
just he never ever took a bad off. He never

(16:11):
ever took a plate appearance, a running to He used
to sprint the first base. He literally was the greatest
hustler I've ever seen play, maybe even a professional sport
dove after everything, played multiple positions, did everything that you
ever would ask, and just marveled at his ability to

(16:34):
just get at the plate and get bass hits over
and over and over and over and over again and
have success in three different decades.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Very few people can say that, Yeah, the stats bear
it out, they just do.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
The durability great for him, yeah, but again huge problem.
Monday he'd bet on the Reds. The Tuesday he'd bet
on the Reds. Wednesday he'd take a day off. I mean,
I could even even build an argument ROSSI if he
if he bet the Reds every single day, I'd be
okay with that. But the number one argument against him

(17:13):
is that when he would not bet the Reds, was
he trying to manage a loser? Didn't he know that
the guy that he was putting outre because this when
he was a player manager at the time or just
straight out manager. Was he thinking, Ah, Jose Rio's going
out there, we don't have no chance to win. Yeah,
and somebody's trying to tweet me about Leo de Rocher
and getting suspended for gambling. From what I can tell,
Leo de Roscher is playing craps. That's not like betting

(17:34):
on baseball. No, no betting on base popples and oranges. Yeah,
you walk into a clubhouse, you're gonna see do not
bet on baseball.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
No organizing. Now here's the hypocrisy of it. Now.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
Now we're also fast forwarding many, many decades. But the
apocrisy is you cannot watch a baseball show or a
game without some sort of plus one point fifteen oh
over under five and a half run scored.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I mean it is, and that's with all sports as well.
So the money. Now.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
Yeah, so there is hypocrisy from baseball on this and
this and all sports. I mean, in the NFL forty
years ago, you brought up the Cardinals were minus three
and a half against the Orders and be, oh, you
can't say that it's all changed now. In fact, it's
probably most of the analysis in sports today is not
bet on. Is not discussed about how a player does,

(18:22):
or how a particular team does, or how a team's
defensive versuling offense.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's well, it was a line. Tell you what was Vegas?
Tell you?

Speaker 6 (18:28):
Yeah, ten years ago, Tony Romo tried to go to
like a fantasy football convention in Las Vegas, and the
NFL wouldn't allow him to do that because it.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Was too close to game. Now was just ten years ago.
Now they're like giving him a VIP pass.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
Yeah, it's it's it's FanDuel DraftKings pick six, which is wonderful.
And all these bet mgm, I mean ESPN bet had
they have their own everybody has everything. Because they just
took the money. The moral stats went away once the
money showed up. Tony and Engleton at to ten twenty
five on seveninety Tony, good morning.

Speaker 10 (19:00):
Good God, I don't know if the connection is is
gonna be too good?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, yes, go ahead, Okay, I'm.

Speaker 10 (19:07):
Sorry, Matt. You were pretty you were pretty onto it
about Pete rose Lyon, he lied, if Heeople had just
come clean right off the bat, like you said, spent
ten to fifteen years, you know, reconditioning his image, I
think there would have been some forgiveness, and so without
being said, Ross, how old are you?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Ross?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I am for he's forty but looks forty six to
forty eight.

Speaker 10 (19:34):
Okay, how much did you get to see Pete rose play?

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I mean you got that would be zero.

Speaker 10 (19:39):
Zero, okay, okay, I just want to tell a quick story. Nineteen.
I think it was seventy seven, after Seaver had come
over to the Reds. The Reds we're pretty much still intact.
The Astros beat him on. I think it was a
Saturday afternoon at the Dome, like ten to nothing, and
after the game, me and my buddy we went around
to the gate where their buses were, and I'm telling
Sparky Anderson, Johnny Bench the avenue name. All the guys

(20:02):
running off off the bus wouldn't stop and sign one autograph.
Three players state and signed autographs. One was Pete Rose,
one was Ray Night, one was Baby Conception. On three
of the biggest scoundrels on that team stayed and signed
the autograph. But the point I'm trying to make is
they had a passion for baseball. We had a passion
for the fans and and just loved the game. That

(20:23):
Bart Giamatti, who suspended Pete Rose for life, had a
passion for the game. So there's a lot of passions
running here. I think it happened exactly the way that
should have. He's gone now was a banishment for life.
He's gone and he's dead now. So he will be honored,
and I will predict when he is. When he does
finally make it into the Hall of Fame, there will
not be enough parking in Cooperstown, New York to accommodate everybody.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
Okay, thank you, Tony, I got another story for you.
John Amdall, on a radio interview in twenty sixteen, talked
about Pete Rose committing statutory rape. Rose then filed a
defamation suit denying all of this. But then when Dad
provide a sword statement from the woman, Rose acknowledged the
race relationship, saying that he didn't know that she was

(21:08):
between fourteen and fifteen years old.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
While he was in his mid thirties. That's another that's another.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
Pete Road story for you. I don't like these stories
you tell, Oh, terrible storyteller. No, the issue in itself
he sued somebody who told the truth. Yeah, and that
was a quick I'm.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Sorry, that's scumback behavior. I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
No, I don't think anybody. I don't think again. I
will say this. I've had very limited dealings with him
in my life. I used to go on his radio show,
and I also played blackjack with him one time. It
was two very pleasant experiences. I was a kid in
a candy star. I'm like, I'm sitting here playing. He
didn't split tens or nothing. That scumback behavior. He almost
hit a twelve against a five, and I had to

(21:49):
tell him not to. You're a kidding, You're right, of course,
I would ever tell the hit King to do anything
like that.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
But point being is that, oh, the hit king and
the blackjack I see you see what you did there? Weekdays?
Send the two. You know where I'm gonna be boying?

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (22:06):
I still marveled at him as a player.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
I did, But I'm also smart enough to figure out
that just because you're an amazing baseball player or you're
amazing sports athlete, you can also be an a hole.
And I think generally speaking, Polypete Rose an a hole
that isn't then that doesn't go into it because the
only reason why he was banned lifetime from baseball, not
because it's an ahole, not because he had that choy

(22:29):
rate issues, is because he bet on baseball.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
The cardinal number one.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Rule, the sanctity of the game, the integrity of the
game must be upheld. Yeah, all right, seven one three
two one two five seven ninety seven one three two
one two five seven nine zero. We'll talk to Brian
Bogus of it coming up in a half an hour.
The Astros did get a nice win, esach perette is
with the first walk off of his career. Rossi esacked

(22:55):
a walk off homer. I'm you're all week, folks. I'm
embarrassed that you said that. Seven one three two one
two five seven under it is NFL schedule release day.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Let's get on a YouTube page and talk about it.
You won't do Rose, Let's do it like a five hour.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
I'd love to. I'll be launching my YouTube shortly. Yeah,
I will not be subscribing. It's gonna be called Pete
Rose is a scumbag? You hate for Pete. I don't
hate him, you kind of do. That's fine. You gotta
care about somebody to hate him. I forgot he existed,
you did not.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
It is. It is a little bizarre how they would
do this again.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
I I That's why to me, yesterday was not a
big news day because I think basically Rob Manford's like, yeah,
lifetime baman.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
That was just I just don't get it for me.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
Yeah, And all it did was, frankly, just get everybody
pissed off the Pete Rose defenders. I mean, that's what
I'm saying. And for the and for the game itself.
On the field, he was amazing. But it's not just
that easy. You just don't going off of You have
to you have to be baseball algib You have to
be in good standing, and he was never in good

(24:10):
standing for him ever to be anointed a spot on the.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
On the ballot. Seventeen time All Star.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
Wow played all parts of the infield, played the outfield,
two time goal Glover last player manager in baseball, three
time World Series champ, MVP, World Series MVP, three batting titles,
great career.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, and just decided that he liked. Uh. I'm trying to.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
Think of a Mario Soto plus against the Atlanta Braves.
That's a nineteen eighty two reference to the ask of
the Reds. And I hope you guys enjoyed that. Dan Reeson,
if you will, don't know the brother Dan Reason also
a cup of coffee of the Astros went back in
the okay, Yeah, actually also into wood cutting, Danned Reason,

(25:04):
And I'll kind of know these things. Seven one three, two,
one two five seven ninety do Seki's at ten thirty
five on seven do Seki's.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
Good morning, Matt, it's been a long time, buddy. I'm
it's good to talk to you. And Rosson. I know,
I'm I don't talk. I don't call that often. Be Abin.
I'm gonna have to talk to you a sports empty
by the way, congrats to all your family. Four years.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Thank you, thank you very much, and nice you to
say that.

Speaker 8 (25:29):
Okay, Uh back in Pete Rose, back in the Nation
of them days. I don't recall the year, but Uh
I used to have an ex co worker at the airport.
There was a skycamp. His name is Leon Tucson, a
very close friend of mine that he was a very
close friend of Dave Parker. Dave Parker. Uh So when

(25:49):
day Parker came and played here at the Dome, Pete
Rose Elis was the player manager. He invited me to
go to the game. My daughter, which is forty four,
she was an infant, so I'm talking on Amost forty
four years ago. So I went that with Pete Rose
and Dave Sparker's wife probably their first wife, had a
great time. The only thing about it is that back

(26:10):
then no cameras, no social media. But I just wanted
to share that with you and also Matt. That was
during the year that I think Peter Rose was on
his fifty six hidden streak something like that, and so
I just wanted to share that with you. It's something
that I would share with my daughter and my kids
because they're all love baseball. Sports is number one here

(26:30):
in the VR family. But since y'all were telling stories
about Pete Rose, I just want to share that with you.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
So all right, thank you my call.

Speaker 8 (26:37):
It's good to talk to you guys. God left.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
All right, Samel, you thank you for the phone call.
Appreciate it. I mean, I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
I think relationships between players and fans forty fifty years
ago was significantly better than it is today.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (26:52):
You didn't have social media, you didn't have the discrepancy
in income and value and wealth in star power. They
were approachable. They had to grow the game more organically,
more grassroots. I should say, well again, you you know nineteen,

(27:13):
I don't know I to throw a year out there, nineteen.
What did Pete Rose making nineteen seventy five? One hundred
thousand dollars not more? He was probably it was a
close to one hundred. Well, Ryan Nolan, Ryan was the
first million dollar player. Okay, he made one million dollars
a year in nineteen eighty. So putting things in perspective, well,
so Pete Rose, I mean he was probably fairly well

(27:34):
all compensated, but there were a lot of people that
were going to sporting events and a lot of people
that were in the stands that were making this year.
Did you say, seventy five seventy five he was making
a hundred sixty thousand mat That's that's that's obviously a
lot more. I mean, if you take the rate of
inflation today, that's a lot. I'm heading to the inflation
calculator for you. Matt, what is one sixteen and seventy five?

(27:54):
Gave me second? All right, I give you a second
point being is says that you could were they were
much easy year to relate to than they are today.
It's hard for an and for a fan of goes
an to an NFL game to relate to c J.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Stroud, CJ. Stratt.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
While that's bad, example, Josh Allen, who's gonna make fifty
million dollars one.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Hundred and sixty thousand? Is this right?

Speaker 6 (28:14):
One hundred and sixty thousand and nineteen seventy five times
fifty years ago is nine hundred and fifty four thousand now,
so he's almost making a MILLI That feels about right.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
So yeah, stories like those secids are not going to
be foreign to us. And that's why if you have
a relationship with a player, whether it's an autograph or
a picture taken, you really should cherish it now because
today's athletes, just generally speaking, don't have time for you
unless you go to spring training and you come up
on jose L Tuove, one of the nicest human beings

(28:46):
on the planet.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
But that but the spring training world is even different.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
Yeah, well it's because also it's also not necessarily the
player's fault, because you have all these these memorabilia whores
who just go to spring training and get everything signed
and just slap it up on e bit right. And
so what they've done is you would have to put
you could park in the same parking lot as these athletes,
and now they have their own separate entrances.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I mean, look at West Palm Beach.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
It's pretty hard to wait for them to get out
of there, to get to leave their car and leave
the facility and get an autograph. Then the one thing
to your point, we travel these NBA arenas and these
cities all around the league ever literally Rossy every hotel
we go to, even when the Rockets were losing sixty

(29:29):
games a year, there were people asking for Christian Wood autographs.
And now it's even more because now the Rockets are
good and they've got some star power.

Speaker 8 (29:37):
Uh huh.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
But ross will land and we'll get to say Salt
Lake City at one o'clock in the morning, and they're
outside our hotel waiting for us. It's really bizarre. You
signed autographs. I have done it, so sure, why not?
That's great? I don't think I don't. They don't have
eight by tens to me, which is kind of strange.
You tell me you're the backup point guard. They look

(29:58):
at my body. Tell them you read Shepherd. Maybe read
Shepherd's dad. But that's about as far as we get
the mustache. I think it could be his grandpa.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
That's not true. Shut up. I mean I can get
the whispy mustache going just like he can. You should.

Speaker 6 (30:13):
His dash is strong, by the way, Brian King strong stash, Yeah,
strong snash. I told you the stashes are coming back.
Were they're back already? Oh they've been back for quite
a while now, I know. But I still think if
I'm gonna if I was gonna do it, I have
to go to go to you. You should try to
make fun of racub Rec.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
What's he doing now?

Speaker 6 (30:32):
He's still in Baton Rouche working, Okay? Good for him,
good kid? I text him fairly regularly. Do we like
him as a producer, Jacob? He was good lot though, right?
A lot of Louisiana Lock takes Oh, the Louisiana lock
Takes was kind of a fun segment when he give
us the thoughts about Ulm and Roe versus Arkansas. Stay, yeah,
you couldn't get that would take over the show, talk Louisiana.
Oh my god, aports tick accent of theirs. Bob in

(30:53):
Texas City, Good morning at ten forty two.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
What's going on?

Speaker 11 (30:57):
Hey? You guys were talking about salaries and players more
approachable years ago. I grew up in Saint Louis and
so in the mid sixties and things like that. People
like Blue Brock, Bob Gibson. Those guys were the ones
that they would hire to come and do our high
school banquets at the end of the year, make a
little extra cash. And a lot of those guys were

(31:18):
beer distributor. They would ride with the beer distributors and
sell Budweiser beer up there and stuff. There was nothing
to see those guys after the game come over and
play poker all night at the local bowling out. It
was just across the river from Bush Stadium, so they
were out there amongst the people all the time. Back
in the old day. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, it's not happening anymore. And a lot of that
is because if you wish and thank you for the
phone call, if you these guys, I would say this,
they probably wouldn't mind hanging out and just being a
regular joke. But they can't because they've got people taking
pictures of them.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
They have social media everywhere.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
You mean, that's the byproduct of being a rich, popular
athlete in twenty twenty five. You lose that, and I
will not feel sorry for them, because that goes with
the steaks of being a highly compensated, highly marketable person.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
You just lose it. I know it's not fair, but
I don't feel sorry for them.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
I feel a little sorry em if somebody wants to
just kind of They can't go to the mall, can't
walk the streets, that's different, but just going out and
just going out to a club and not expecting someone
to take pictures of them. It's just not realist exactly.
Can't even go to the club, everybody gets their phone out.
You can't move in silence. Like nineteen ninety eight, I

(32:39):
knew that Brandy Johnson went to the I Hop on
West Timber before every start. I wanted to take pictures
of him. How do you have his eggs a scrambled Oh,
okay with cheese, with cheese, all right, it's some crack pepper,
of course, crack pepper. There are scrambled eggs. Brian Bogus
epic with us at fifteen minutes here all the bet
just making stuff up. Seven one three two one two

(33:01):
five seven ninety seven one three two one two five
seven nine zero. Do we even go a little nip
on the NBA from last night er? Or was that
against our best interest?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
We won't do it.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Sorry, I'm ready, but you know, Matt, we even have
the show meeting yesterday. Give the audience what they want,
not what you want nuggets thunder breakdown.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Is that what the people are.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
Very they're not asking for that any circumstance. Great series,
that's a great series.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
We don't care. How great? All right, I don't care.
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety.

Speaker 11 (33:37):
You don't.

Speaker 6 (33:39):
Ten fifty Sports Talk seven ninety Brian Focus. Everyone's gonna
join us at about ten minutes from now. Nice to
have all of you with us here on the program
that if you want to join us, you may do so.
We are always available to visit with you. At seven
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want to reach out to us three with Twitter, really
appreciate that. At sports Team, of course, you can also

(34:01):
check out our instagram at sports MT and Ross puts
a couple of photos like pictures of him and his
freshly trimmed beard at sports RV. I haven't looked at
your Instagram. My guess that's that's the last photo on
the board. I just put it up there. Yeah, oh look.
I mean when you get a straight razor shave for
the first time in your life and you feel like
you're looking nice, Matt, you put it on the ig.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
How do it feel? I feel good. I liked it.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
That was my first ever straight razor. Follow me on
Instagram at sports RV, I'm trying to build it. It's
an influencer initiative at I Heart please help me, please
the love of God.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
But my account's better. At sports MT, no, it's not.
It's significant.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
If you want to see seventy six pictures of teenage
volleyball playing, that's fine, but follow at sports RV okay
Instagram please or sports MT for better stuff. Let's get
to uh okay we were talking straight right, you get
straight razor. Sometimes I get to the super shaver. Oh
that's right. You don't like, but you've had straight rais.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, I know. I'm not against it. It's just it's
it probably takes longer because he was doing my edges. Yeah. Yeah,
it's the most hush.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
The thing I do is every about every ten days.
I don't shave my face anymore or my head.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Uh huh, you get it done. I get it done.
I was saw and I rotate between two barbers. How
much can I ask you how much you pay?

Speaker 6 (35:13):
Because I'm just curious because I saw on his board
it was like head shave was like fifty or something.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
No, Kingwood is very reasonable. Okay.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
I think it's twenty eight dollars at one place, in
thirty at the other. I go to two places for
head and hifts and I give it and I give
it ten dollars tips. So it's forty dollars every time.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Okay, that's good.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
So it's forty dollars. I probably get it done four
times a month. So I spend one hundred and sixty
dollars on my face and head because I don't I mean,
I can shave. I'm a terrible head shaver. Yes, I
can divis to shave my face fairly easily. But the
head is I always miss spots. I just they just
go there. Plus I it's always cathartic to me. I
just get in there. I close my eyes and I

(35:53):
just I sit in the chair and I just really
it's like it's relaxing for me.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, it is relax You get the hot towel. Nice,
that costs more. I don't get that. Oh you should
do it at home.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
Yeah, the hot towels, hot towel, dry towel, whatever towel
I need. Okay, back at it. That's the most. That's
my fault.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
That's a boogie thing I do.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
Okay, I look I over the years, Matt, you might
know this. I don't spend a whole lot of time
on my appearents.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
But I enjoyed it. I'm going back, are you? Yeah? Whenever.
I don't know how long should I get my beer trip?
I have no idea.

Speaker 10 (36:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (36:33):
I'm like a caveman coming out of a cave after
forty years, saying how do I clean up?

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah? You shave your back next?

Speaker 6 (36:40):
All right, let's get to uh oh, the straight razor
on the back of the Astros. I'm sorry, Brian Bugue
seven coming up at eleven o'clock, we'll have that for you.
There were two NBA games last night. Please bear with
us on this. You know what, if you want to
talk about it, you can call. You say, don't even
do that. The chances of asking an NBA call in
the next four minutes are zero point zero percent. You

(37:01):
don't have into this. I dare somebody to call the
show right now. You're talking about not the NBA, but
what happened in last night's games. Pacers eliminate the Calves,
thunder Go up three to two, and a thriller Feeling one.
Oh yeah, well, the entire Calves roster turned an ankle.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Good job.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
Okay. So there's a player for the Cleveland Cavaliers. His
name is Max Druce.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Apparently he told somebody on a TV network I think
it was TNT.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Don't hold me to it.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
He basically sent out a text to the entire team
last night or before the game yesterday and said, hey,
we're down three to one, we're in our building.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
We can win this. If you don't want to compete
and try hard, don't show up.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
Mm hmm, I mean pretty ballsy move for of all people,
Max Streuce. So you're then now here comes the the story.
Max Struce last night went over nine for six from three. Hey,
you had seven boards and a couple of assists. Didn't
turn the ball over.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I used to hate those type of teammates, but you
but John on the line. But Jonathan, that'd.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Be like you running your four by wanna relay team
and the guys like we gotta do this together, and
the guy drops a baton every single time.

Speaker 8 (38:23):
That was me.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
I did this and look, I'm gonna tell you right now.
I did this in seventh grade B team Teag Middle
School football, Aulding District. We were playing Alding in our
big rivals, and like the the district championship was on
the line and we needed to stop them. We were
up eight zero and we needed to stop them at
the goal line and and and the hud I.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Was like, let's go. The game is on the line,
let's do this, and they stored the easiest.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
I just went offline in front of me like yeah
for a touchdown, And I'm like, man, that did not work.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
That did not fire up anybody.

Speaker 6 (38:55):
I was a middle linebacker, so I felt like it
was like my my responsibility to fire every buddy up.
And then they scored and got the two points. And
in those days you ended, we ended in a tie.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
So Max Struce is the one doing it now. In
fairness to Cleveland, they are in a tough spot because, uh, look,
if you watched Diamond Mitchell yesterday, he was walking and
running about fifty percent. Uh, and then who else Darius
Gardald was also Wait, actually, is this one of our
NBA calls? Maybe we should get him real quick. I
was gonna say, we got a guest coming, but you

(39:27):
asked for NBA. I dars about thirty seconds, is there,
Jeremiah or Jeremiah already? Guys, get called Sean Salisbury. He
can't be called We love you, but you can be
along with it. We gotta be quick, okay, Jeremiah real quick?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
All right?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I stand corrected?

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Yeah, Jeremiah on seven ninety Hello.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Hello, can say you guys?

Speaker 9 (39:47):
So he little rocks out?

Speaker 12 (39:48):
Man, I'm still enjoying the Playoffso like how the pairry's
going now? And uh, isn't the Cavs giving you a
little version of what the Atlanta Hawks did back in
the day. Whether one number one seed and get knocked
out early. Man, just similar scenarios.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
But yeah, I talked to with y'all, all.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Right, thank you, Jeremiah.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
Yeah it was they won sixty four games, but they
went to the second round. Did those Pacers get knocked
out in the first round?

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Him the Hawks and Hawks? Yeah, it's Hawks.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
I think the Hawks went to one or two Eastern Finals,
but it wont very many. But that, but that's happening.
I mean that happens a lot. You've got sixty win
teams that are getting bounds. The Pacers are a fifty
win team. They're really good. And the Cavaliers had Mobley, Garland,
Mitchell and I think another player, I think it was
DeAndre Hunter. All dealing with ankle injuries in this series
or it's various injuries, I should say, yeah, and and

(40:35):
towards the end, and I watched a lot of that.
Into the game of Cleveland, Indiana, Donovan was running at
about fifty percent and by the way, he got foulowed
on a three point shot with the like ninety seconds left,
and he missed all.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Three of the free throw free throws.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
One word answer is Nicks Pacers a classic NBA rivalry.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
No, hmmm, I think.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
It's borderline just because of the nineties Knicks and Pacers battles.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Okay, you're gonna go after something that hasn't, are you right?
You're right, I said borderline, but your answer was knowing.
I'm accepting it.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
Thank you very much. We finally found something that Ross accepts.
In my opinion, I'm very happy about these things, all right.
Brian bogus Evic will start the second hour the Matt
Thomas shild Ross in a matter of moments. If you'd
like to be a part of the program, you may
do so as well. At seven one three two one
two five seven ninety eleven oh one on Sports Talk seven, Honty,

(41:24):
let's spend ten qulity minutes with our regular Wednesday guest.
He is Astro's analyst on Space City Home Networking. We
are very happy to ha him with us every Wednesday
at eleven o'clock. Brian Bogasvic on the show and Brian,
as you know in television, h getting in and out
of the stadium in a relatively decent hours spectacular two
hours in less than two ten last night to watch
a great pictures matchup and a dramatic and very happy

(41:48):
ending for the folks that are rooting for the local nine.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (41:51):
I like wins. I especially like wins that are under
two and a half hours. So the last night was
about as good as it gets for us.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
Hey, let me tell you we've he kind of brought
up this narrative this year, good Fromer versus bad Fromber.
Last night was great Fromber. What did you see maybe
that we have not seen even some of his better
performances earlier in the year.

Speaker 9 (42:12):
Well, first of all, he had all three of his
pitches working fastball, change up, in the curveball, And there
have been, you know, more than a handful of starts
where he hasn't had everything, and it's taken taking him
a couple of innings to feel out what is working
and what is not working and then adjust accordingly. He
had everything going from the jump yesterday, and for him,

(42:34):
that means everything is down. If you look at like
a spray chart of his pitches from yesterday, everything was
the bottom third of the zone and below. And with
the guy who has such big movement on his sinker,
if he can start it at the knees and drop
it below. He's going to get a ton of curve balls.
If he can convince hitters that he's going to be
at that bottom of the zone and they're going to

(42:55):
have to deal with that pitch and they're going to
have to swing at that pitch, he can then go
to the curveball and get them chasing pitches below the
zone for a lot of swing and myths. You know,
when when the change up is coming out of the
same slot as the fastball and they're having a you know,
rush out there trying to get to ninety five ninety six,
it's going to be even more weak contact round balls.
And when when you're seeing everything on the ground from

(43:16):
fromber and then couple that with a bunch of swings
and misses on the curveball, he's going to be almost impossible.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
To be Brian.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
Shouldn't he have more nights like this? I mean, look,
not every pitcher, for every start's going to be able
to give you eight innings or gonna be you know,
let me nights where getting nocked aund a little bit,
but by the type of pitches he throws, with the
fluidity in his motion, shouldn't he be a guy even
as long as he's been the major leagues that should
be around that eighty five ninety ninety five pitch count

(43:44):
to go deep into games.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Isn't that what Fromber was kind of built for.

Speaker 9 (43:48):
Yeah, you look at the type of pitcher he is,
you know, even though he can get swings and misses
at a high rate, especially with this curveball, he is
at his core a pitch to contact action type of pitcher,
and that typically lends itself to guys going deep in games.
And you know, sort of the rules of engagement have
changed over the last twenty years of how deep you're

(44:11):
willing to let guys go. But if there is a
profile for the type of pitcher that you can just
put out there and push a little bit further or
be willing to throw on short rest if need be,
he is that guy because everything he does is predicated
on movement and movement. Even if you get, you know,
a little bit tired, even if your pitchcown is up

(44:31):
near one hundred, even if you're you know, you've been
throwing every fifth day or every fourth day, whatever it
could be, that doesn't change. Sometimes it'll even get better.
With a little bit of fatigue. So yes, he is
a guy where if you're going to look at anybody
in that rotation and say who can get pushed a
little bit, it's definitely him.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
Brian Bogasceevic well us here on Sports Talk seven to
ninety esac paratus with the walk off and pulled into
the Crawford boxes.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Just overall what you've been seeing from him as a hitter.
And as for a guy for who is such heavy pull,
what exactly how does he end up like that? Especially
with opposing pictures, Know that he's going to try to
pull everything and he's still able to do it.

Speaker 9 (45:11):
For him, it's by design, and it's by design in
how he approaches his that bat. Sometimes you hear about
guys who are heavy, heavy poll hitters and you think, well,
they must just be cheating, they must just be guessing,
swinging early, they're going to be susceptible to chasing. You know,
you've seen a million of those guys come along and
it typically doesn't go well. I've been really impressed with

(45:35):
him watching him on a day in, a day out
basis of how he executes, you know, his plan of
being a poll hitter. And it's all about knowing what
pitches he can handle, knowing what pictures he can do that,
which do that with. And he's really stubborn in his
that bat. He's not going to go and give in
and swing at, you know, a sinker down in a

(45:58):
way early in the count and roll over. He's looking
for breaking balls up. He's looking for fastballs on the
inner third that he can turn on and he'll make
the adjustment lately at that and deal with it with
a tough pitch, you know, with two strikes if need be.
But he really has a good idea of what pitches
he can handle, and he's very stubborn in waiting out
those pitches. That's why he walks. He walks a lot,

(46:20):
not because you know, he's just trying to get on
basis because he's passive. He walks a lot because he
doesn't give in in hunting his pitches.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
And on Jake Myers, this is a running bit here,
Brian on the show that I'm the president of the
Jake Myers fan Club. We're having a good May, but
we also had a good May last year. What are
you seeing from him now? Does it feel different or
somewhat the same from the May that he had last year,
where we're almost waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Speaker 9 (46:48):
No, I think it feels different. I think it feels
different in that it's more consistent. We've seen him get
hot at times before, but it was very very much
an all or nothing type of hot streak. You know,
he gets at four or five games in a row
where everything was falling in and you could just see
that he was riding this hot wave and then it
would eventually come back to baseline. But right now, it's

(47:10):
just a lot of good at bats. It's a lot
of hard contact. Even if you look back at the
series in Milwaukee, he got a base hit in every game,
but there were probably two or three balls that he
hit hard every game and they didn't all fall in.
So there's a lot more volume of quality. And he
also feels like he's gotten comfortable with his approach and

(47:34):
he's obviously being more aggressive early in at bats. He
doesn't want to get to two strikes where pitchers can
really try to expand the zone on him. And once
you get comfortable with how you want to approach and
at that it really settles you. It really gives you
a good gauge as a hitter of when was I
successful in executing my plan and when was I not?
And it gives you something to fall back on when

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you're trying to evaluate am I doing what I need
to do or not, you know, other than just did
I get a hit? Did I not get a hit?
And it seems like he's very comfortable and very settled
in how he wants to approach his at bats, which
which has resulted in a lot more consistency.

Speaker 6 (48:10):
Are we going to see somebody not named Jeremy Paana
in the Ladov spot for the foreseeable future for the
local nine? And are you surprised that's gone as wall
as it has. Are you surprised that the Jose went
to him and said let's make a change, And just
your general thoughts about what now he's been able to
do kind of finding the most comfortable spot in Loneon
for him in probably a couple of years now.

Speaker 9 (48:30):
Yeah, I think I think that's his spot, and I
think it's a really good fit. You know, all the
things that he can do, from handling his at back
to you know, how dynamic he is on the basis
to just you know, being sort of an energy type
of guy at the top of the order. It's a
really good fit. And you know, am I surprised that

(48:52):
Jose went to him and said, hey, let's make this change. No,
because that's what Jose Altuve is. You know, as great
a player as he is, he's an even better teammates.
So no, I'm not surprised by the whole situation. And
you know, you have to be able to make quick adjustments.
Being in the leadoff spot, you're gonna get a ton
of that bat you're going to have. You know that

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you're going to be the guy getting that fifth or
sixth played appearance at the end of the game, so
you cannot be susceptible to making the same out over
and over again. And he's made a lot of quick
adjustments this year, so it's been a really good fit
up there.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
Boggy, we do a segment on Tuesdays called Gut Feelings.
We just make kind of like predictions. I want to
get a gut feeling from you on how is right
field ultimately going to be settled this year? Is it
a mixture of Descenzo and Smith? Do you think one
of the two guys takes over? What are your thoughts
about both of the guys and how Joe is kind
of trying to figure out which hot got to keep
in that lineup every single day.

Speaker 9 (49:49):
I think as is right now. I think it stays
as a mixture of playing time. You know, both guys
bring things to the table that are valuable. Zach Zendos
had a ton of quality at bats. Cam Smith continues
to improve, but it's also turning into not just you know,
a solid outfielder, but a very very good defensive outfielder.

(50:12):
I think the only thing that can throw a wrench
in that is if they ever they eventually make a
move to get a left handed piece in the outfields.
You know, it's a very right handed team, and that
seems like it's the one place that they could add
a left handed bat, and then you're gonna have to
make a decision on one of those two guys. Probably,
But as Is, I think they're I think they're doing
a nice job finding favorable matchups. I think either one

(50:35):
of those guys at this point, if you throw them
out there every day every day, it might be a
little bit too much, but you know, exposing them to
favorable matchups has been working so far. All right.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
Lastly, you are not that far removed from being a
player in Major League Baseball, and obviously a lot of
the conversation the last twenty four hours in the sport
has been about Pete Rose being added to the eligible
list now for the Hall of Fame, forgetting about and
if you want to add your two cents on I Pete,
we'd love to hear from you, but also your thoughts
about the players and what they are told and those

(51:07):
meetings before the start of the season, about the absolute
no nos, whether it's performance dancing, drugs, whether it's gambling.
How often do the players Association, the manager, the coaches,
do they get it into your ear? You guys have
to know there's a certain set of rules that will
ultimately get you in some trouble.

Speaker 9 (51:27):
Yeah, well, it's very clear what the rules are. I mean,
there are meetings every year in spring training. Any clubhouse
do you walk into, whether it be a home or
visiting clubhouse, has rules posted, you know, somewhere right near
the entrance where everybody can see and read on a
daily basis. There's no excuse for not knowing the rules.
And I know it's a little bit different now with

(51:49):
how more prevalent sports betting is and how easy it is.
You know, you basically have a bookie in your hand
at all times. But the excuse of not knowing is
not there because it's made very clear, you know. That
being said, my opinion on the Hall of Fame I
like very simple. I like black and white where I

(52:10):
think the best players should be in. And if you're eligible,
I think you vote accordingly. But obviously, you know, writers
will vote how they want to write, how they want
to vote, and we've seen that play out with the
whole performance enhancing era of some of the voting, you know,
not making sense where certain guys get votes and certain
guys don't. But you know, if I understand the band

(52:33):
and the lifetime ban and that played its way out,
and you know, Pete Rose, he's served his time and
for the rest of his life he was not eligible
and now that's over, and now that he is eligible
and can be voted in, I have no problem with it.
If that's the case.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Okay, Well, live at that, Bog.

Speaker 6 (52:52):
You're looking forward to seeing you on TV tonight and
we'll talk again next week. Thanks for the visitors always,
all right, I feel it all right, Sprian Bogusvik with
us here on Sports Talk seven on every Wednesday at
eleven o'clock.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
And that's what I think. Ross.

Speaker 6 (53:04):
If we were to take a informal poll of current players,
I bet you the player poll would be majority, not strong,
majority of the majority that would say he served his time.
He's no longer with us.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
He's dead. He's dead. Veterans Committee, sure, a spot. That's fine.

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Whatever they do, it's not gonna change my day to
day life. Yeah, it won't obviously, but might change it.
He's a scumbag. A bet on baseball. It would have
been more impactful as if he was alive. But then
you know the lifetime band's lifetime ban, and now he's dead.
This band is lifted. He's dead, Pete, who are you
talking about?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (53:42):
Do you bring up the show with Joe? No, he's
long been dead. He's not still kicking it. By way,
I'm not gonna go see a man out. Excuse me,
I'm not gonna go see eight men out. Yeah, no things,
Okay that you're talking about? Amen, Thompson, I could.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
See him too. I'm in all right enough from you?

Speaker 6 (53:56):
Uh seven one, three, two, two, five seventy We're gonna do.
We're verse of shut your ball mess up. This is
gonna be a train wreck of a segment. Well its
gonna be great, No, I think it's gonna be a disaster.
Matt Thomas is a mouthful of Greek treats, so I'm
gonna give him a second. He just can't contain himself
in this new time slot when it comes to eating,
and that's okay. Follow at sports RV on Instagram. I

(54:20):
would really see every time you do this, I'm gonna
teach you a lesson because every time this happens. Now
I'm just gonna print my Instagram and that's gonna teach you.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
That's gonna teach you.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
The great folks, the Greek folks, the Greek fast folks,
brought us some treats and it's nice and you couldn't
hold you couldn't contain yourself. Blackla bah Is with Philo
dough and oh so.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Delicious, my goodness.

Speaker 9 (54:42):
M h.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Okay. Thanks to Ron Bogask for joining us, and he'll
do with us again coming up. If you miss the conversation,
shame on. You will have a little bit of that
come up at one thirty this afternoons. Looking for wonderful?
What else we gonna call?

Speaker 7 (54:58):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (54:58):
The NFL schedule releases today? Oh my god, I can
hardly contain myself. Did you check out my mock schedule, Matt?

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Uh, yeah, you have to. You have the Texans. I'm
playing the Buccaneers four times. Yeah, and Topeka, Kansas. It's crazy,
that's my prediction. Though, you know what they're doing. They're
actually these leaks are actually ruining it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
You know what I mean? I do this on purpose.
I think, why do you say?

Speaker 6 (55:19):
Kind of build a little interest, and then it's like
an appetizer, Matt. It's like schedule or release four play
you know what. I don't see Texans on big national games.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, you're under three and a half. This is looking
pretty good. Uh was it five or six last year?

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Five?

Speaker 6 (55:37):
Well, let's think about it. Monday Night was the Jets,
Oh dear, here we go. Christmas the Cowboys on Monday night.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
That's two.

Speaker 6 (55:46):
The Sunday night was Jesus Thursday. Did Sunday night game
against Detroit was three? Baltimore and Christmas was four? There
was another way on Saturday five?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
There's five. Yeah, they call them standalones. The kids will
call scandalons so that we can just pepper them throughout
the streaming services and collect all their checks. Why do
you care? Though, Oh, I don't care. You we have
all the streaming services. It makes you think I care.
And frankly, think about this.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
If you have the streaming you don't even have to
have the streaming services for these games because you have
to put them on the over the.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Air stations if you're for local yet for local, so it.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
Isn't they could be. They can put nine games on
Netflix and I don't care. We'll get nine games out,
but I like to watch big games. They'll make it
streaming TV anchors, hosting pregame shows. And then you accidentally
leave the game on and then the local news comes on,
and about the time the sixth murder is getting reported,
you're like, I.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Should change this.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
So so the game is on local TV. It's the
first five stories of the murder and the sixth stories.
We want to go see where the Texans watch the game.
Fans squatch the game that.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I go tech dance. I'm Darnlee go tex Dance.

Speaker 9 (56:51):
They should have been there.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
They don't need that. Just put the game on, turn
the game off as soon as it's done. You don't
need all that man on the street stuff. I mean
likes classic. Let's go to we used to we used
to put you a man on the street. Nobody cared
about that. I used to do post Texans games for
news radio seven forty k t r H. After the games,

(57:14):
I would get man on the Street audio.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
It was awful. I thought I did a great job. No,
I heard it. I heard the story.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
Usually it was just people who are the most hammered
and screaming and cursing. Yeah, I'm always curious why TV
stations do that? Why do we care what other fans
are doing in a bar? We're in a bunch of
Texans bling.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
It's filler. Nobody cares. It's easy. Yeah, I go to there,
I got a man on the street MS as they
call it. Matt, I know that. I know you know that. Okay,
I know I'm for the I'm telling you. I'm telling
the audience via you. Oh okay, thank you. Very called exposition,
big word. Jeez.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
But yeah, I so what if you're a Don's bar.
I mean, I don't care. Watching the game, Yeah, some
guy's crying in the back because they just gotse this
is really sad. Yeah, we actually learned something yesterday that
I thought was intriguing. Our friend Chris Gordy, who's our
program director, who likes to handle the radio ease of
our business. Ease the radio, not the minutia. But that's

(58:16):
the the ins and outs, the ins and outs, the mania.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
And he and he brought up a good story. It's
very hard.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
We don't have like incredible tangible evidence of this, but
it kind of makes sense. It's hard for people to
get out and watch a sporting event when it's frankly
a lot easier just to be at home and on keeper.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
First of all, it's cheaper.

Speaker 6 (58:42):
Second of all, you have the best view in the
house because you're sitting in front of your couch or
in your bed or in an easy chair.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
You're not having to.

Speaker 6 (58:49):
Fight through a crowded bar area. And number three, you
can hear things. You can go to the bathroom when
you want to, there's no line for that. Can pose,
and rewind, can pause, and rewind, you can change the
chance if things don't get interesting. You don't have to
worry about getting a dui and you just stay on
the couch or you don't. I mean serious like you
don't have to get an uber or you don't have
to get in your vehicle drive. I'm saying you don't

(59:10):
need to get a designated driver or an uber or
you know, it's just your headaches. Sometimes watch parties are fun.
Their atmosphere is fun. I'll tell you like this. For so,
I'm a Manchester City Premier League fan. For big games,
I like to go to the watch bar because it's atmosphere.
People are screaming as that what, that's what. Definitely you
cannot get at home. And I would also say that
if it's a playoff game or it's you've got a

(59:33):
group of like for instance, in our house, we would
like to go watch if and I was I was
at the Final four this past year, but we would
if Duke was playing for the championship. We'd go to
a bar with friends that were fellow Duke fans that
would want to watch or enjoy that, or Cougar fans
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I think. Occasion old stuff.

Speaker 6 (59:48):
But the point of the server that Gordy told us
about yesterday is it's not impossible to get people to
come out. It's just more difficult than ever before. I
mean a lot of it is frankly because of costs. Yes,
because even if you don't want to eat and cook
a big meal, you want have bowl cereal Bowl cereal,
and ball games going very easy to do instead of
spending twelve dollars on mid jalapeno poppers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
That's that's true either. How much what are these.

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
Guys doing back there? These these potato skins are flavorless? Yeah,
they put they put gold flakes in these potato skins.
And what's going on?

Speaker 12 (01:00:22):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
If you cook them back yourself at home, much better. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
I don't know what this conversation went, but I just
thought it was an anecdote what we got yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
So so when.

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
We do do events, we really do want you to
come hang out with us because we will try to
do everything in our power to make them different than
just being in front of your television, Like we will
try to offer specials or we'll have a couple of
nice prizes to give away.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Huh, that kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
But yeah, it's becoming more and more difficult for people
to leave their houses for just a rando sports game.
Like if if you was like the Astros like you,
I always talk about Big City Wings watching the Astros.
You're going there to have dinner and the Astras are
on to But I don't think a lot of people
are just jumping in their cargo and I gotta run
to big city Wingers to go watch the game. So
that's why you get the best of both worlds. You
get an amazing food, you ate out a burger, you

(01:01:08):
get to watch the Astros. It's like it's a win
win for everybody. Wow, look at you, America's pitch man.
See how I slid that in a nice and comfortably.
They call that the weave? Whose whose voice was that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I don't know? Was that your trump? I don't know
what bad? It wasn't good? All right, we're gonna try
something here for the first I gotta come up with something.

Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
Now, give me, give me an example or a format,
give me a springboard for this. Yeah, something that we know.
We want to say something nice. We want to commend
something right, Like, for example, you're hating on people saying
they got the number one mothers. What's the opposite of that?
I don't know somebody who did something in the community.

(01:01:56):
I'm gonna find good. Okay, So let's let's do this.
Who do we we would tell Jeff pass him to
shut his bomb ass up for this really nice article
about Ax Bregman that he never would have ever written
as a Houston astro. Oh, I'll how about something like, uh,
you know what, Chandler room doing great reporting for the astros.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Keep on talking. What is it called again? Uh? What
did I call it? Jonathan?

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
Good to hear from you, from you, Chandler, you know
what we had Brian Bogustev go on eleven o'clock. I
think he does fantastic. All right, he does a great job.
I'll give you. I'll give you a classic. Am Okay,
there is someone that I know very well that every
time we talk they hate. This guy tells me about

(01:02:38):
the latest show he's watching on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Okay, he asked me every single time, what are you watching? Him?

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
I said, I don't watch TV right now. I'm very
busy with sports. But this guy, who will remained nameless,
so very good friend of mine. We'll always time he's
watching this, this, this, this, and this, and I want to
say it in my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Anybody got time for that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
So if you're watching a show on TV, the opposite
that would be call me in ten what you're watching?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Because I'm very curious.

Speaker 6 (01:03:08):
Right, Well, I thought we were just gonna commend people
like we were talking about people that we don't like
or cut off is to cut us off on traffic,
So talk about nice people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, good to hear from you. You know what I
got one? Well when we come back.

Speaker 6 (01:03:25):
So for anybody that you want to rip on, the
opposite is the must of the opposite.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Okay, this is still a train wreck.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety seven
one three two one two five seven ninety it's eleven
twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Good to hear from you.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
This segment is coming up after I tell you about
affordable tree service twelve oh seven.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Let's get right to it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
It's time for us to give you the main things
that people are talking about on the streets. We present
to you the news at noon. Well, bobo eight, we
had to do some late breaking weather.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Twelve o.

Speaker 13 (01:04:04):
What tough?

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Eighth? Shut up? What is wrong with you?

Speaker 6 (01:04:08):
Your crappy segment? Oh my god, thank god. The in
crappy spoke volumes about how bad that one was. You
It was thirty eight minutes in my life, will never
get back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
The phones didn't work. Number one and number two people
were acting like we're replacing the segment.

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
I don't think they understand it'd be one a month.
You wanted to again next month? No, we don't have to.
We'll do the game.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
No, I don't care. No, you're you're, you're you on
the show too. Let's got like.

Speaker 6 (01:04:30):
Ten calls in the second second. We do you know,
we'll do it again next month with first of what
we were railroaded by the crappy phone system. My god,
can't we How long have we been in these new studios?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
It doesn't matter? All right, let's go to the news
at noon. I'm very upset. Astros won last night the
one breaking ball and that's hammer detail that field, sir,
good bye.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
He suck Brady Smith Hope out of the season as
a walk up winner.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
The Astros beat the Royals two to one. Let up
this series at a game a piece.

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
He suck Paedis with the walk off homer to the
Crawford boxes. Jeremy Penia hit one there earlier in the game.
That was the only two runs that the Astros were
able to score. Matthew, But how did they get the win?
From Brevaldez eight innings, six hits, one earned run, one walk,
seven strikeouts. And how about this eight innings on eighty

(01:05:27):
nine pitches. Was there any thought in your mind he
was gonna go for the ninth? I said no, I
don't think he finished his eighth. That was like, that
was good job, well done. Yeah, they had a Bray
you and the hater warming up. If the Astros took
a lead, Hater would have closed it out. But Brian Bray,
who did his thing, he was able to pick up
the victory for the Astros who beat the Kansas City Royals,
as they call it in the biz, the rubber match

(01:05:49):
later today seven to ten. First pitch, I'll be with
you four the Astros on deck show and Colton Gordon's
Major League deby Jordan done not like the Gordon's Fisherman.
What did I say Gordon's I said Colton Gordon.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Oh, I say it yeah, because okay, let me tell
you something man. It's a cold English one on one.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
It's Colton Gordon's first start, so, I said, Colton Gordon.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
It's his first start. It's called possessive.

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
You put an apostrophe in an S, so you put
an apostrophe S on it. It's Colton Gordon's first major
league start. Colton Gordon will be making his first major
league Colton Gordon's my first major league start. Do you
like to fish make a prediction of his line? Oh?
Will he go five?

Speaker 9 (01:06:34):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Or no? No?

Speaker 6 (01:06:36):
So you're telling me the bullpen's gonna attacks for the
second time in three days. I'm just saying, I mean, look,
you know what, all right, fine, I'll be optimistic.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yes, sure he does it? Why not? All right?

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
Elsewhere in Baseball Matt Baseball News. Of course, we talked
about this earlier. Pete Rose, shoeless, Joe Jackson. Also, all
of the Black Socks reinstated from the permanently Ineligible list
by Commissioner Rob Manfred. They are now eligible for possible

(01:07:07):
election into the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York.
It will be the I think it's called the Classic
Players Committee or something like that, twenty twenty seven. You know,
excuse me, Classic a Baseball era committee. They do not
meet until December of twenty twenty seven. Now do we
know who's on that list of people that are in
the sixteen people? I don't have the names, so I'm
gonna assume those are sixteen people that have had rich, traditional,

(01:07:31):
long term, successful major league success.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Right, let's see.

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
If you don't know who the names are, I'm actually
I'm just characterizing guys that've been probably been around baseball
thirty forty years right as a player coach Dick Allen,
ken Boyer, Steve Garvey, Tommy John old old school Dave Parker.
Guess what he's in, well, Dave, Dave all said America
as an old teammate of his, Louis Tiant Vic John Donaldson.

(01:08:01):
Now a lot of those guys he played with.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Does that? Do you think he's gonna get in? Because
the guys he played with, it's possible. I can very
well see him getting in.

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
All right, So gut feeling right now does he get
into twenty twenty seven? I say no, gout feeling, yes,
continue on and that's your news is known? Time for
a break, all right? You know, a quick off the
beaten path news. Oh I love it, Matt, of course,
are you familiar with the streaming service Max? I watched
Max yesterday because I was watching uh in as I

(01:08:31):
was taking a shower, I was watching the Pacers Cavaliers game.
Do you recall what it was called before? It was
shortened to Max. It was called HBO Max.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
It's going back, folks. Why people you said how stupid
it was.

Speaker 6 (01:08:43):
HBO is one of the biggest and best brands in
television history. They're like, yeah, we're gonna cut HBO and
stick with Max and just call it Max. Now it's
going back to HBO Max this summer. It's almost like
the Coke that went to the new formula New Coke
and went back to col Cold Classic, And you're like,
this is a disaster. It's not TV. It's HBO. It's

(01:09:06):
not HBO. It's HBO Max. It's not HBO Max.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
It's Max.

Speaker 6 (01:09:09):
It's not Max, it's HBO Max. That was the last
five shows I was watching HBO. You ready, here we go, Okay,
Curb m Righteous, jem Stones, East Bounding Down, Vice Principals,
and Bill Maher. I'm in the middle of rewatching the Wire,
reinforcing my thought that it's the best show of all time,
of all time, of all time. By the way, I

(01:09:30):
just watched the first episode of You yesterday me the
final show the final season of You. You watched me? No,
I watched you, You watched You? Yes What did you
watch you? No me, no you no, you didn't watch me,
you watch you twelve thirteen on Sports Talk seven, Dottie,
let me take this show today has been horrifically bad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
Let me ask you all this, Colin disagree seven one
three two one two five seven ninety What can we
do to improve this show in the next hour forty
five because right now it is an ultimate train wreck mode.
I would cancel us if I could before vacation is no,
it's not, it's it's in total embarrassment. I'm embarrassed for youbars,

(01:10:18):
for our phone system.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
I ain't do nothing but mess up. What's gong?

Speaker 7 (01:10:22):
Eah?

Speaker 6 (01:10:23):
Your your takes are always off? Seven three two one
two five seven.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Look.

Speaker 6 (01:10:29):
I do appreciate the Twitter app giving us sports news information,
but I have seen two different people that are not
falling on their sword, but are saying I've found this
out about who the Texans are playing in Week one
of the NFL season. It's irritating me that we just

(01:10:49):
can't be patient until what is it seven o'clock tonight
local time, give or take.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Why can't we just wait?

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
Can we wait a few more hours without putting on
ironius information? Gotta be first, gotta get them likes, retweets, shine,
clout chasing, whatever you want to call it. Well, I hope,
I hope the website that gets it wrong crashes and
burns and they get some sort of a uh nasty disease.
As the American poet laureate Kendrick Lamar said, clout chasing

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hell of a disease. Brother, God, no wonder you won
a pultzer. Jeez, it's amazing. So the two different website,
two different groups of people that I've seen. One is
the Texans play the Rams in LA in Week one,
and the one I've seen their home for Denver. It's
it's just terr Okay, Yeah, it doesn't even matter, like

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I just don't get it. The schedule hype, I write
that down for tomorrow, matter of fact.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Yeah, so just be patient and don't look at anything else.
I love the NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
I love getting into fantasy football, reading about every team,
watching Monday night, Thursday night, Saturday, Sunday, all of that
Tuesday morning.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Yeah it doesn't matter right, I watch it all, but
I don't care what the I mean. Just let me
know what it is. I'm not gonna get super hyped
about it in May. You people are sick. You're stupid. Well,
Matt said that. That was Matt, that was Yeah, if
you break down the schedule, you're stupid.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
I mean, I'll still talk to you and in high
five year fist bump you, or you'll break bread with
you if I need to. But if you're getting into
a deep dive on the Texans schedule, you're stupid. We'll
run through it tomorrow. Duh twice classic we do a
four hour show. We got to make sure we do
it both times. Oh man, a lot of time to fill,
all right, Uh, Pete Rose, it's this is a one

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Today story, right. We're not going to spend the next
three years talking about this, are we. It'll pop back
up in twenty twenty seven. Probably something we're going it was.
Why do you think man fordid it just because he
had to? It was a facing pressure from some idea.
Has he released a statement on this? I'm sure he has,
and I know the Reds have stata statement, I know
some the White so I think I've sent a statement out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Statements don't mean an thing to me. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:13:06):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
Dan Wetzel wrote this big article about oh the game
is the game that it's a museum, it's a history museum.
Tell the story. Pete Rose is all up in there.
He just doesn't have a plaque. So they did tell
the story of Pete Rose. The only thing that's different
about any of this is that he just doesn't have
a plaque on the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
No, he doesn't want to know. Rob Manford, it's just
a piece of metal on you. But don't do that. Yeah, yeah,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:13:31):
Though, it is a high honor, it's a very very
well It used to be a really exclusive group. It's
getting a little more open than the last to ten
years or so, but it's still very much a cherished
place where the best of the best. I mean, you
get in shrine in the Baseball Hall of Fame, that
means that you've done something more incredible for a very
long period of time. You can't just win twenty games
one year or have a two no hitters in a

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two year stretch. You've got to have prolonged success. You
have to be the greats of the game. And I
applaud everybody gets in there. I'm so happy that Billy
Wagner getting in there this year. But for anybody that
watched Pete Rose. No, we know who he was. We
know he's a Hall of Famer. Barry Bonds. Just because
he doesn't have a jacket in a plaque doesn't mean
he's not a Hall of Famer. Roger Clemens, same exact thing.

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They are. The players we just brought up are the
greatest of the greats of the game. Let me ask you,
do you think I am being a hypocritical Probably, well,
you don't even listen to what I said. Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I treat heats.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
Banishment differently than I treat Bonds and Clements. Because let
me stay stay with me for a second here. Barry
Bonds was an excellent Major League Baseball player for his
time as a Pittsburgh Pirate and for his early years
as a San francisc San Francisco Giant. But anybody with

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two eyes actually work saw his body change as he
got older. You get more physically imposing, and I had
size grew. I am not naive to say that whatever
he put into his system, his his rear, end, his thigh,

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whatever it took to get bigger, faster, stronger, I believe
absolutely had a one hundred percent impact on him getting
into what he was the most feared hitter in baseball,
the all time home run king.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
Do I think Barry had a shot of doing it
without that stuff, Yeah, of course he did. But the
numbers say he's astomical, they're they're they're they're so good
beyond belief. He's he's he could be on the on
the list of the greatest player of all time. At
age thirty nine, his OPS was one point four two two.

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So to me, I say, take the steroids out of
his ass, and there's no way he's even close to that.
So when when I when you describe performance enhancing, I
say to myself, that's Barry Bonds to a tea. Barry
Bonds could not at that age put together those types
of numbers without some sort of artificial assistance that frankly,

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Major League Baseball said was illegal. Yeah, but also there
is there are counter arguments to that. And I'm not
saying I believe, I'm just saying it's it's a difficult.
It's a difficult concept. The counter Pete's easy in the
Hall of Fame as a player, competitor, hits leader. Yes, yes,
you're not in because of what you did, and you gambled.

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That's a that's a cut and dry one. Rogers got
a little bit of a of a murky area and
Barry's got a huge little bit of It's not black
and white. So yeah, the counter arguments being that, first
of all, that if not everyone was doing it, but
it was, you compare people for their eras, right, we
compare Bond, I mean a babe ruth to what he

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was doing. He was hitting sixty home runs. Everybody else
was hitting thirty five. You compare them to their peers.
Barry Bonds, many of his peers, all the all star
top players were on the same stuff, and he was
still head and shoulders above everyone. He's still sort above everyone.
It's like he was the one guy. Pitchers were doing it,
hitters were doing it, and he was the best by far,

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by far. So that would be one counter argument, and
then another one would be where where you draw the
line as far as performance enhancing creatine was performance enhancing
creating is produced naturally in your body, but you could
take a creatine supplement and get bigger and stronger, and
for a while it was not illegal.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
But protein powder, how protein powder is is something that
is a performance enhancing supplement. It makes you grow bigger,
stronger than you did.

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
Then Mickey Mantle didn't have protein powder and all the
sports signs that they have now. But see I can
answer that easily to you. It was team Powder's never
been deemed illegal. Neither's creating. I can You and I
can walk into gen C and go get creative. But
steroids have never been legal. But there are the same
thing with the supplements. How many times a guys say
they have a tenant supplements. You and I can walk
into G and C and get a supplement, and if

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it has whatever stands in all albuterol, I don't even
know whatever all. And it's on the band list for them,
but it's not for us. So these draw there's these
gray areas and these lines that get drawn, and we
have to figure out where they are. Modern science where
you have platelet rich injections where they're going in and
getting blood and then worrying it up in a machine

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and then reinjecting the U that's not natural.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
That should be like steroids.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
That's I mean, that is not somebody back in nineteen
twenty eight, that's not lou Gehrig and the Boys just
you know, working out and drinking beer. But let me
ask you this, if that was stuff was available to
them in nineteen twenty eight, would Babe Ruth have used
it after they.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Would do it? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:18:56):
I mean you've had athletes who go have to go
overseas sometimes to get treat and it's that there are
stem cell treatments that that that at least back in
the day, weren't deemed legal here. But you go to
Germany or whatever and get your stem cell treatment and
you come back here and you're all better. That's a
gray area for me too. My gray area is and
as gray as yours. If Manage League Baseball says it's

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authentic and it's legal, I can live with that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Yeah. Back in the day, you blew your UCL your
career was over. Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:19:26):
It's just like I said to me, it's uh, it's
like we can be like you always mentioned the debate
class analogy. We could go into bake class and take
both sides to me. Okay, so Roger Clemens and we
gotta get to a break here. Rogers steroid juice allowed
him to recuperate faster.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
Just like what Andy Pettit said I use it to
help my recuperation. Do I think that steroids added four
miles to Randy Roger Clemens fastball?

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
I don't think there's evidence of that in my head.

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
I mean, his his velocity didn't dip into his forties,
but it allowed longevity, allowed him to kill pump Iron
because big Rogers, big pump Iron guy he was.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
I mean the first will tell you that his wife,
he and his wife both m.

Speaker 6 (01:20:12):
HM and also Barry Bonds and Roger Clements never failed
a drug test. So if you're on their side of it,
you're like, if you think you if you think of
the goods, I mean, then test me all the time
a Rod failed drug tests I believe correct?

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Or was it just the Biogenesis scandal?

Speaker 9 (01:20:26):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
And then you had the raw fail pal Merrow that
Paul Marrow failed a drug failed. So if they never
failed drug test, I mean gray areas Pete wasn't Gray.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
You cheated.

Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
Yes, you were permanently banned from the sport lifetime ban
and now you're dead, now you're free. And Claire, it
is kind it is kind of not the way that
you wanted the story to end, right. I wanted I
wanted Pete Rose to admit five years after I goofed.
I'm sorry. I'm not gonna write a book about it.
I just I screwed up? What can I do to fix?
And in staid he turned a blind eye to his

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own admission until he wanted to make some money off
of that admission, and so he did. Pete Rose's autograph
more worth more today than it was yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
I think he signed some way.

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
He did sign it, sign so much John Hancock's on Everything.
You had a totally paper roll with it, real fast,
and I got ten seconds. I was and I was
walking through the Las Vegas Mall. You know, there's various
maalls in between the casinos, and I was walking around.
I saw a memorabilia shop and there was Pete Rose
sitting with one other person. The person was working at
the store and if you if you bought something unt
a certain dollar value, he signed it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
So he signed it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:38):
I got an autograph picture for him for my father
in law and had him sign. He was very nice
to me, but it was just that's what he was
left for in the last twenty years of his career,
go and sitting in front of a strip center Las
Vegas Mall and made him a lot of money, made
him a lot of money, more money probably than if
he had just been inducted and not been in the
public eyes, no question, because because he would have had

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more authentic autograph. Show is going to be at a
strip center, doing it at Middle Las Vegas. Twelve thirty
on Sports Talk seven ninety seven one three two one
two five, seven ninety If you want to get in
seven one three two one two five seven nine zero
Astros on the plate. We have the NFL schedule release today,
which we will give you complete in depth analysis of
our predictions of all seventeen weeks. We'll also have for

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you Pete Rose in the mix. Anything else going on
in the world of sports we should talk about. We
had really great NBA games, but.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Brodie it said, shut you'll buy us up.

Speaker 6 (01:22:31):
Twelve thirty five on Sports Talk seven ninety It is
a Man Thomas show seven to one to three with
Ross of course seven one three, two one two five
seven ninety uh. Tomorrow on the show we have Brian
mc taggart with us for a few minutes. We will
also have I just don't get it. What else we
got tomorrow? Oh, two different times we're going through the

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entire seventeen game textan schedule. Okay, can't wait kind of
a yearly. The anticipation is killing me, Matt. I am
counting down the minutes to the Texans schedule release.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
I got news for you.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
They're gonna are they a nine home game team this
year or an eight home game team this year?

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
I don't remember, all right, that's what I use you
for information. Thank you. I'll look it up. Nat.

Speaker 6 (01:23:25):
I do a great job of throwing things at you
that you're not prepared for. I could have said, hey,
during the break, why don't you see any.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Games like home games again? Next year? Looks like they
have eight home games?

Speaker 6 (01:23:35):
And at what week will Hannah and Cal say that
Energy is not good enough.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
They're not going to publicly say that.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
Oh, they'll do a due time. I'll tell you what
week they're gonna say that. They'll say that first week
of February. If things go the way that they need
for them to get a new stadium. If the Texans
win the super Bowl, they could put the stadium on
top of Energy Stadium and people would still go, yeah,
I think going to the super Bowl at the minute moment.
Then they'll try to get some legislation passed. I bet

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you gut feeling, well, you'd have to put up for
a city vote, because I think I know how I
don't know how that works.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
It'd be hard to get something on a battle.

Speaker 6 (01:24:11):
It'd be hard for politicals to all of a sudden say, oh,
you know, you guys were playing an AFC wild Car weekend.
We can't give you a stadium. Now you're on play
the super Bowl. Duh, you can have it now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Yeah. I don't know, we'll see. But these new palaces
keep popping up everywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
Washington's gonna have their new stadium coming up, Chicago's going
to be going out of the suburbs. Nashville is getting
a new stadium, the Texans will have And I don't
know what they're doing in Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Does it even matter what they're doing in Jacksonville? I mean,
I always know. Are theyk getting a new stadium there too?
I have no idea.

Speaker 6 (01:24:46):
Everybody wants their own palaces. Just build it and we'll come.
We'll pay your twenty dollars beer, pay for your nineteen
dollars NA shows it says, the Google says they're renovating
EverBank stadium a one point four billion dollar project transforming
it and transforming it into a stadium of the future
by twenty twenty eight. Okay, so they'll have eventually a

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new place. So the Anargy will be the oldest facility
in the division by the time twenty twenty eight comes.
What's the renovation? So, I mean, I guess, but they've
renovated a couple times. That Gator Bowl has been around
forever and ever and ever. But why would I guess?
It's a commitment to keep the Jaguars in.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Jacksonville.

Speaker 6 (01:25:29):
City has agreed the Jaguars in the city contribute six
hundred and twenty five million apiece city responsible actually, and
then the city's also paying for rentov Gate renovation preparations.
So it looks like Citi's paying for fifty five percent
of the cost. I've never been to Jacksonville before. Have

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you been to Jacksonville?

Speaker 9 (01:25:52):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
Never, not on the bucket list. Yeah, it's north from Floria.
I mean, there's a lot of wafful houses, is nice
golf course. City council approved it fourteen to one in June.
That one person's like Jaguars suck. Yeah, they play half
their games in Europe anyway. That's a lot of local
money right there. But it's like, what else do you
have in jackson What else do you have?

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
How bisky? What's going on? What's what?

Speaker 9 (01:26:16):
My brothers?

Speaker 7 (01:26:17):
Hey man, Man, Ross, you're right, man. We went for
the Super Bowl when he was in Jacksonville, and I
think they might have two buildings above five feet tall.
It's nothing in dak Jacksonville.

Speaker 9 (01:26:28):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:26:29):
But let me get to my p rose thing. Man,
And you were asking for what's the argument for Pete?
The argument is forgiveness. The argument is it's been since
eighty nine, has been three decades, you know what I mean.
You know, he's yeah, he did what he nobody's saying
what he did wasn't wrong and was against the rules.
We're saying he you know, come on, man, he didn't

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spend enough time this.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Lad y men.

Speaker 7 (01:26:54):
My counter argument to that to you, Matt is you
gotta be one way or the other easier.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Letty in or don't let him.

Speaker 7 (01:27:00):
Man, don't let him in at he dies because now
it's convenient for you.

Speaker 9 (01:27:05):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:27:05):
It's the main thing about going into the hall is
having his dates, getting his roses. And if he ain't
here to get it?

Speaker 9 (01:27:13):
Man, what use is it?

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
I don't disagree with you.

Speaker 6 (01:27:16):
Yeah, I mean if all of a sudden this was
on Rob Manfred's plate and he's thinking about Pete, he
could do this five years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Correct, yes, sir, correct, So he did it. He did
it really as a form of.

Speaker 6 (01:27:32):
Well, lifetime means why you're living, and since you're not living,
I guess we don't worry about anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
I mean it was. It was more semantics than anything else,
don't you think?

Speaker 7 (01:27:39):
Yes, bs man, bs, you know what I'm saying. And
because now if he goes in, it's convenient for baseball, right,
Baseball gets all recognition Pete going in, But the family,
if I'm in the family, I'm not going.

Speaker 6 (01:27:55):
Yeah, because I mean I could see it either way.
I mean, they're gonna look. As I said before, and
thanks Biscuit for the phone call. I don't know if
twenty twenty seven is gonna happen right away?

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
And do we are we gonna see him at some
point get in? I can't even tell you that. I
don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
I don't even know how often those guys meet. Why
has it taken so long? I guess, well, it's classic baseball.
I guess not a bunch of classic baseball players is
gonna pop up every year for you to try and induct.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
I mean, does it mean anything at this point?

Speaker 6 (01:28:28):
Don't you want if you're gonna put together the all
time hit king, put him in the Hall of Fame.
Don't you want him to be up on that dais.
Don't you want to be up there with all those
other greats to save his speech and say all the
great thing. I mean, no disrespect to the Rose family,
but hearing from the relatives, that doesn't mean much to anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Yeah, maybe it's for them better relate than ever. God,
but it's been so wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:28:51):
My entire sports talk career has been about Pete Rose
and whether or not he gets it or not. I mean,
this has not been something we just brought up just
the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Uhuh for you know. Look, life is about forgiveness, that's true.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
But yeah, we can forgive Pete Rose, but that doesn't
mean you forgive him by inducting him into the Hall
of Fame. There's a difference. So basically you could say this,
we forgive you, Pete. You should be in part of baseball.
You can go to games, you can be on TV shows,
but you still have to pay a price. And the
question is is the is the punishment fair for what

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he committed, and that was a permanent deletion into Major
League Baseball's Hall of Fame ball And you could forgive
somebody for committing a crime and they serve their time
in prison. That doesn't mean you go and make them
president or whatever you know, mayor that doesn't mean you
go and put them to make them CEO of you
with your company. It's when I'm sad on the opposite
on other side of that, you could say, well you could,

(01:29:50):
you could, You could say, you know what, you basically
were embarrassed for ten or fifteen years, You've servened your
You've served your time. Because again, what you're bringing him
in for is not his managerial work. You're bringing in
for what he did as an active player. There's the
difference between forgiving someone and then propping them up and
enshraining into the whole fame. I just the number one

(01:30:11):
thing for me, and we won't probably won't get in
too much more of Pete Rose after today is he
didn't do himself any favors.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
And that's where I think his.

Speaker 6 (01:30:21):
Not his biggest mistake was the biggest mistake was obviously
betting on baseball. But if you got caught red handed,
which he clearly did, you and you can blame Giamani,
you can blame Fame Vincent, you can blame Bud Silly,
you can. You just could have gone about it a
different way to sound like you felt bad for your

(01:30:41):
that you apologize and that you were sorry, that you
were remorseful. How many years did he spend just flat
out the nine exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
There was.

Speaker 6 (01:30:49):
There was very little remorse and contrition. And when then
when it came, it felt famed alligator tears. And I
remember were watching Good Morning America when he went on
with Charles Gibson was the host of the time, and
he was like, yeah, I wrote this book because I
needed to tell my story. I'm like, you know, you
didn't have to wait till you sold a book. You

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can tell you tell your story of the day after
you got caught. He goes up on it, put it
this way, let's let's read let's redo history. Here he
goes in front of a press conference in Cincinnati or
wherever he wanted living at the time. Ladies and gentlemen,
when I was a manager of the Cincinnati Reds. I
bet on my team and I'm sorry that I did it,

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and I know that I have to pay a punishment
for that. And I love this sport so much, but
even all of us have weaknesses, and I want to
spend whatever length of time it takes for me to
get back in the good graces of baseball throwing an
addiction too. I a gambling addiction. I have bad problem.
I've been seeking help about it, and I want to
get better. If he meant if he meant it, if

(01:31:54):
he meant it, but he never meant it. He's still
bet on horses all the time. I played blacktag with him,
So you know what I'm saying. I mean, yeah, he
never ever came across as uberly remorseful. And I think
in public world people say sorry and they kind of
I mean, we have an example can think of during
the break because there's somebody that did something really, really

(01:32:15):
bad and we said, he apologized and we kind of said, okay,
we get it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
I mean, Andy Pettit apologized and admitted it. People feel
like they pretty much forgave him.

Speaker 6 (01:32:26):
I'm talking about even outside of sports, there's some of
that you know, have have we had elected officials? Did
Bill Clinton? Did Bill Clinton admit anything? Well, he didn't.
The index finger said, no, he didn't. I did not
have sex with that woman.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
Stop it, both of you.

Speaker 6 (01:32:48):
You know what I meant. No, I didn't. I did
not have sex with that woman.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
I did not. Go ahead, I want to hear. I
want to hear.

Speaker 6 (01:32:56):
It's not bad I have sexual relations with that one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
That was the late Phil Hartman doing Bill Clearmin one
of the all time greats. I'll take that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:06):
Tell forty five on Sports Talk seven Nuty seven one
three two one two five seven Nuttie all right, Tom
and Downtown says that Eddie Murphy apologized for getting arrested
for picking up a transsexual hooker in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
No one seems to be talking about that. That's true.

Speaker 6 (01:33:20):
Uh, Hugh Grant picked up a hooker, remember that in
the nineties. That's true, And we seem to forget that
or forgive. Robert Downey Junior had his transgressions. Rob Low,
Oh yeah, we're we're you know what, I'm thankful, We're
forgiving society.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
None of us are perfect.

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
And when I do something that I'm regretful for, I
hope you accept my regretful.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Painous acts that you've committed.

Speaker 9 (01:33:48):
My God.

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
So yeah, I think if Pete would have said something,
not necessarily right away, but a lot sooner than twenty
five years after he got banished from the sport, it
probably would have been down a little bit. So, UM,
be curious about twenty It'll be a topic in twenty
twenty seven, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
I think we'll find I'll see you there.

Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't think it's gonna be
a top of flight conversation tomorrow, but we'll see. But
the vitriol for Rob Manford is certainly coming off from
people are all upset.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
But I think people that just didn't like Rob Manford
are just to Banford can sneeze and people will be
unhappy with the way he handled it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:26):
Do we have a commission that anybody likes? Let's go quickly,
who's the most liked one? Okay, Beatman's probably fourth, don't
the hockey fans hate? Hockey fans have hated him. He
never gets any positive publicity ever. Manford's probably the third
worst than Goodell, than Silver, but people still don't like Silver.
Silver really got off to a great start. Yeah, and

(01:34:48):
then it's fallen off considerably and people.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Now think people think he rigs the lottery. Yep, yep,
rigs the lottery.

Speaker 6 (01:34:57):
The too much wokeness in the NBA blah bl blah blah.
Goodell just hated because you know, Goodell, I think is
hated because he just has thirty two owners that just
can't have enough money.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
I think it's his software of talking. It's off putting
as well. Is that weird to say? I see?

Speaker 6 (01:35:20):
I think the number one problem the commissioners have, and
this is all three of them, is they you You
can go to them and say television ratings are down
fifteen percent, or you can say injuries have not gone
down this, or you can go after them with something
very very polarizing, like in the NBA, if you went
to Adam Silver and said, you know, this guy's taking

(01:35:44):
games off, instead of saying you know, well they still
you know, and saying it's a problem, we got to
fix this. Well, they still play seventy games a year. Yeah,
they're all lawyers. And then and then Adam Silver's response
to well, I figured out a way to reduce the
number of players taking rest, playing forty minute games forty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
They're all former lawyers, so they're they're hit to the
spin game. That's what it is. They're they're just terrible
spinners and they put everything in the spin zone.

Speaker 6 (01:36:24):
They lawyer stuff, they dodge questions, and there's enough of
us that are really good lawyers, and I mean, that's
what a good lawyer does. There's enough, there's enough of
us that are Americans that just don't buy the crap.
And I mean, honestly, like it feels like the higher
almost like in politics, the higher of a level you reach,
the more people you got to step on on the

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way up.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Same thing for lawyers.

Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
And many of the politicians are I mean, I think
the vast majority of our politicians are lawyers.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Or former lawyers.

Speaker 6 (01:36:52):
Well think about this in the commissioner spot too. They
are also guys that all have tremendously long tenures because
they understand you are going to be the f for
the all of us, and we're gonna compensate you very
nicely for that. Just understand and know that you're gonna
You do not want to look at your name, Like
if we went and looked up Adam Silver's name on
a Google search, it's not gonna be complimentary or Roger
Goodell for that matter, or for that matter, Gary Bettman

(01:37:14):
er any commissioner.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Not a Twitter search for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
Yeah, so you have to know that if you you
better have tremendously thick skin and as long as you
keep thirty to thirty two externally rich men and women
and happy, yeah, you're gonna be able to keep your job.
And heavn I mean, what was a lot I'm trying
to think, who's the last commissioner has been fired?

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Wasn't it some baseball commission in the nineties. Okay, let's
think about it. Uh, or did he step down fave Vincent?
I mean maybe in that.

Speaker 6 (01:37:46):
Girl maybe I'm thinking of fay Vincent, But I mean
Taglaboo left in his own terms. Pete Roselle the first
commissioner left on his own terms. David but Stern was
probably there three or four years long, and then he
probably wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
Be mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (01:38:04):
It's almost like again, if you're gonna be that commissioner
and you're gonna have you're gonna put out some controversy first.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Okay, so you're talking.

Speaker 6 (01:38:13):
About thirty years plus ross since the last commissioner of
any sports been fired.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
As long as you're the fall guy, as long as
you keep thirty to thirty two rich people happy, you
get to keep your job.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
Now, my skin is so thin that I couldn't handle that.
Just stay off.

Speaker 6 (01:38:35):
Twitter, Matt, You'd be fine, But didn you t talks
trash your face, the agent and anonymity. Don't read the newspaper,
don't look at the social media. Why did you go Boston?
I'm in the newspaper.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
I don't know. I think I thought would be funny.
It was not bad. That's pretty good. I like that.
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:38:54):
But you knew when Manford did this yesterday, he wasn't
gonna be like, thank you, thanks for your thanks for
doing this, thanks for we're still wearing the good Rob Manfred.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Yeah. Instead it was what did you wait till he died?
You bum? Yeah? But he still don't get why it's happening.

Speaker 6 (01:39:12):
You know why because he probably said to himself, well,
I lifetime banned Pete Rose, and since he no longer has.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Life shoeless, Joe Jackson's been dead for what sixty years?

Speaker 7 (01:39:22):
Probably?

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Why did That's curious?

Speaker 6 (01:39:23):
Why did he bring all those old Chicago White Sox
dudes in play black socks, black sacks? Who was was
there anybody running around this country in twenty twenty five
going we got to get shoeless? Joe In he died
nineteen fifty one. I mean, did his great great great
great grandson want to get knocked down Rob Manfred's door
for the last two months.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Joseph Jefferson Jackson died in nineteen fifty one.

Speaker 6 (01:39:48):
I believe he was trying to sell ice cream into
a bunch of pilgrims in upstate Pennsylvania. I believe he
took money to fix a world series. We even had
a lot of that, frankly, that we know of. That
we know of, and honestly, you can't prove it. You
can't prove that this last super Bowl wasn't fixed, or
that Pat Mahomes wasn't getting calls. Some officials looked like

(01:40:09):
extra check. If Pat Mahomes looked like he was fixing it,
they got destroyed. That was a crappy super Bowl, wasn't
It was a beat down all right? Twelve fifty eight,
the Astros with a very impressive win over the Candasity
Roles in a low scoring, yes decent energy, dramatic excellently
pitch ball game. We don't get enough of those these days.

(01:40:32):
Final hour of the Bat Thomas Show with Ross Ross.
What is today's edition of Believer or Not?

Speaker 11 (01:40:36):
Coming up?

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
In about fifty minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:40:38):
I'm just going to rehash the Pete Rose I wrote
in twenty sixteen. That was eight years nine years ago.
I feel like you could probably get away with it, right, Yeah,
some of these questions actually aren't terrible. I feel like
I've gotten better and better over the years, but these
aren't so bad. Okay, maybe more, maybe a third edition
of Pete Rose Blue. We'll do some borrowing with some
new footage. It's like it's like when they come out
with the extended cut, so you're doing a reboot. Yeah,

(01:40:58):
it's like director's cut of Pete Row Okay, twelve. Should
I put shouless.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
Joe in there?

Speaker 6 (01:41:03):
I guess you could if you wanted to, all right,
you could also get people feeling better about those Yeah,
getting getting your energy up one O four on Sports
Talk seven ninety It is the Matt Thomas shold Ross
Bross taking a look at some old school Linda Carter
I saw the same exact tweet a few minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
You and I must be in the same for you.

Speaker 6 (01:41:25):
Ten No, I don't want to be with all those
AI models that you have. You're sending them cash. I
got an AI by keeps ass. You've not checking with
me in a while because I didn't. I didn't call
you a nasty hord lately? Is that what you want
me to do?

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
They send me that electronic routing number real quick? Yeah,
what is your? What is your? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:41:44):
What is your? Give me send me a credit card
to pay my bills? All right, Astros, it is the
rubber game of the three game series with Kansas City
let Yesterday they win two to one Jeremy Payanna with
a home run, also a home run from Essach Perettis,
and we will talk more about the Astros in depth.
We had a visit earlier today with Brian Bogusivik, and

(01:42:04):
we'll have it for you coming up at one thirty
this afternoon, we believe it or not. Today, A little
bit of Joe Jackson, a little jog, Yeah, Joe Jackson.
You know, I was thinking about joj Michael Jackson's dad.
I was thinking about Michael Jacksons dead, that he had shoes.
This guy's shoeless, shoeless, Joe Jackson, little Pete Rose. And
we have the NFL schedule release coming up tonight, I

(01:42:25):
believe at seven o'clock local time. It feels like to
me more and more people as I'm looking for the
for you, tab have the Texans opening up this season
on the road against the Los Angeles Rams and then
a home game with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Monday
Night football. Okay, I told you that was potential national game.

Speaker 9 (01:42:49):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
I think the Texans.

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
I think Texans are very Monday Night friendly because you know,
Monday Night puts.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
The mind games on, but.

Speaker 6 (01:42:57):
Not the spectacular game. It's not the championship content. It's
like the contenders, like the second level guys. It'd be
like if you put a bunch of Atlanta Hawks games
on national TV. I don't mean to make the Texans
the Hawks in the NFL, not the Muhammad Ali's. It's
more than Jerry Cooney's. It's uh, it's the undercard if

(01:43:19):
you will. Yeah, but I mean Joe Buck And I'll
tell you why. We always we always discuss about whether
or not TV announcers impact ratings. I don't know if
the games have just been better. But the Joe Buck,
Treike and acquisition has really helped out the ESPN group
because they have gone. They went years trying to figure
out somebody, you know they have. They used to have

(01:43:39):
Mike Tarico and John Gruden to it, and then those
guys left. They were going with all different a bunch
of hodgepodge guys, and it just never seemed to work out.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
Yeah, now they have them and the matchups have been better.
I think ESPN.

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
Demanded better, had been demanding better matchup because they were
getting crazy. The number one network that gets it feels
like it's it's krem De La krem Is NBC. They
they always want that Sunday night game to be really
really good. Meanwhile, Amazon Prime's like, we're not gonna put
any more Bengals Jaguars games on. We're gonna start flexing
you bad boys too, so they can flex Thursday night
games this year. Jeff Bezos cutting that big check. Al

(01:44:14):
Michael's ready to sleep through another call fast Stop, saying
that he's vested in the spread well and getting on camera.
I'm not saying he didn't put his work in. I'm
just saying he is a little low energy he might
want to go to fix my low t eighty years old, yes,

(01:44:35):
which again, but that means.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
It's time to retire. I'm sorry. If you can't do
the job, you shouldn't be doing The John argument of
does that an eighty year old? They be doing it
in the prime time plea. It's like when you see
a ninety year old driving a car, like, oh my god,
they cannot handle this thing.

Speaker 6 (01:44:48):
Not we need a band. By the way, ninety year
old's on the road and we need to ban If
you get over eighty, you can't call NFL major games.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
That's the rule. Go about a second games? Okay? Yeah,
can you do like the Fox cinema.

Speaker 6 (01:45:03):
Sixty Yeah, exactly, Okay, that's funny, like Titans Jaguars. Hey,
we got who's calling the games? And the Bears and
the Panthers. Oh it's eighty year old Michaels. Perfect, he's
literally eighty years old now all time. Great respect to
a legend.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
I mean, not very good on Thursdays. It's just not
I'm sorry. It's I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:45:26):
If it hurts people for me to say the truth,
I don't Al Michaels does not carry the same national
Cachet Warmth as say other people do.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Yeah, it's not his fault. He's eighty years old, but
he's still able to get a good deal out of it,
still calling games. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:45:40):
Look, if they're gonna keep cutting the check, he's gonna
keep taking him. I don't blame. I'm not blame. I'm
not mad at and honestly, I do I do agree
with Amazon prompt. I I do want decent If you're
gonna put games on a national TV, they need to
be at least teams that are playoff contenders.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
I don't want to have to see.

Speaker 6 (01:45:57):
The forty nine Ers against the Cardinals just because the
NFL says you got to put teams on national TV. Yeah,
but Fox, CBS, NBC, Peacock, Prime Video, Netflix, There's only
so many Marquee matchups. Somebody's got to have Jaguars Titan.
And that's why I think, honestly, if I'm CBS and Fox,
I'm kind of pissed off at all these different networks

(01:46:17):
that are jumping in because guests, who's taking away games
from me? Meanwhile, you're not asking any less for me,
and I got to put on nine different games. The Cardinals,
They're like I'm doing all this hump work for you,
putting on all these dog matchups, hiring all these announcers
just so they can be seen in only northern Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
And then NBC shows up for one game a week
and they get the big.

Speaker 6 (01:46:38):
Matchup and oh, by the way, oh you're telling me,
I get Denver Jacksonville. Both teams are ten wins. NBC's like, now,
we thank you, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
That's messed up.

Speaker 6 (01:46:52):
I would love to be in the room just to
kind of see what that's like. Cause there are some
net you know, when they start plucking games, are.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
They do they have real big fights about or do they?

Speaker 6 (01:47:00):
Is it kind of a business agreement to say, all right,
so you're taking a good game from us in game
week four, We're gonna take a really good one from
week seven. I wonder if it's how how much anger anticipation,
debate fighting over games are. Because again, if you're CBS

(01:47:21):
and in Fox and you're paying for those Sunday games,
because you carry at least six hours plus you're pregame
programming and your postgame programming. If you do a doubleheader day,
you're committing nine hours. At NFL coverage, no grain, and
you're making the money back with advertising. But it's a
lot easier to have one of that that three to
twenty five game be a really good one. It's compared
to trying to sell me in the Jets against the Lions.

(01:47:43):
Maybe okay, but it's not super good matchup.

Speaker 8 (01:47:49):
That.

Speaker 6 (01:47:50):
There's just a lot of different But the problem is
if you're Goodell, you're not. If they got one hundred
and fifty million dollars for two games last year and
Netflix couldn't have been happier it. Yeah, it's like the
the NFL has got like eight wives. Sounds cool in theory,
but then it's just eight eight headaches, seven extra headaches. Yeah,
but what if all that? What if all the girls

(01:48:10):
are attractive though, Yeah, but they all want their love
and attention. Still is still headaches, Matt. See, Like I said,
it sounds good in theory, that's what you're saying, But
then when you get to the brass tacks, So.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
You don't want to live a life with eight different
hot women at one time? No, that sounds not got
a nightmare? Okay, something to think about. I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:48:31):
One to eleven on Sports Talk seven ninety you would
not want to live in Utah back in the eighteen hundreds.
Inn No, for a number of reasons. Closer to Vegas. Hmm, okay,
but there's a lot of mortgages beautiful out there.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
It is beautiful. Zion National Park is one of the
my greatest regrets I've seen.

Speaker 6 (01:48:52):
One of my my greatest regrets is not doing enough
traveling within the state of Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
I'll go with you.

Speaker 6 (01:48:56):
Let's go, Okay, go to Arches Bryce Canyon while they
go on the Arches Arches. Not the Golden ones back, Okay,
just the regular one. Not getting a disgusting fialo fish.
Your hate for Filia fishes is frankly rude. It's been
on the menu for sixty plus years. It's a fistick patty.

(01:49:17):
It's not good with the sauce in the in the
warmed bun and the slice of cheese. I was honestly
disappointed in you when I ate it. Did you like
it so much? You may have found my pallet for
over a decades. So nothing's never going to change with that.
Uh seven one three two one two five seven ninety
seven one three two one two five seveninety let's check

(01:49:39):
the American League standings when we come back, because I
think you're gonna be pleasantly surprised at how mid this
team has been so far this year. But yet the
Astros are right there in the mix for the American
League West championship. So he checked the American League West standings,
and this should gives you plenty of optimism. The Seattle
Mariners won last night, they beat the Yankees. They're twenty

(01:49:59):
three and eighteen. The Athletics are in stecond place. They're
at twenty two and twenty. You know, they have a
negative twenty eight run deferential. Mind, God, how are you?
How are you any games about five hundred with the
minus twenty eight. The Astros are in third place at
twenty one and twenty. They're two out. The Rangers are
at twenty two and twenty one. The Rangers have won

(01:50:21):
four consecutive games, so they're in fourth place but only
two out. And then the Angels are in last place
at seventeen and twenty four. It's a very wittable division,
and that to me feels like Dana Brown is going
to have to do something he probably didn't want to do,
and that's going to be making a lot of phone calls,
because when you have four teams fighting the division, what
is your frame of mind? A, I go get one

(01:50:43):
player that gets us over the top, or B who
we are right now when we're hanging around, Who is
that one player? And where do they play second base? Okay,
you're satisfied at first. I think Christian Walker is starting
to turn the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
Satisfied. But you know what I mean, Yeah, you're not
making a movie.

Speaker 6 (01:51:03):
With the financial numbers you've given him, second would be
in play. You're happy it's short, you're happy at third,
You're happy behind the dish. You would crowd up the
outfield if you went and got a right fielder. And
I do believe it's some they believe that Zach Decenzo
and or camp Smith can be that guy. Will it
take all of this season for them to prove that?

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:51:25):
I think you're probably pretty happy with Jake Myers and
center and then whatever whoever's playing left field.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
In a particular day, cam Smith oh for two with
a couple of k's yesterday down to two fourteen, hitting
six fifty nine.

Speaker 6 (01:51:38):
As far as ops, can we get some people to
come apologize? You know what, I'm gonna ask for on Friday.
Oh for the I'm sorry segment. Yeah, we do Friday's
I'm sorry. There needs to be a handful of you
that need to call and apologize for your unbelievable, non
validated faith in Cam Smith. I like Cam Smith. We

(01:52:00):
had a great time talking with him. We absolutely believe
that he is going to be a major league player.
He was a first round pick of the Chicago Cubs
and was obviously ROSSI fast tracked, but we were and
I'm not saying this is not and I told you so,
but I think you and I are both like, are
you guys absolutely sure that the spring training games you're

(01:52:21):
watching is is going to one D translate to on
in April and May's success.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
I said, It's just there's.

Speaker 6 (01:52:29):
Very few cases of that being evident in baseball. A
lot of kids go to spring training and crush the
ball in March and are meek and May in April
and the return on Cam Smith, I would say, defense
is probably better than I thought it was good, and
probably offensively significantly worse than we thought it was going

(01:52:51):
good arm track and ball as well. Got a lot
of speed out there. He's been good in the field,
not giving up, but there were too many people that
were putting too much pressure on the on the astros.
And again I don't think Dana's listened to seven nine
people that acting like it would gonna be a travesty
if he didn't make the team. Yes, and that now,

(01:53:12):
because you brought him up to begin the year, and
as much playing time as he has, you and theory
have lost the potential year of arbitration with him. Yeah,
it was my understanding. I think Channel of Rome said
this that you lost that year anyways, unless he didn't
come up until September.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Okay, which in all likelyhood he would have.

Speaker 6 (01:53:34):
Yeah, so Cam deserved the spot. But I just if
we went back and listened to the show with the
people that called in, especially in the month of March,
it was this is a can't miss, no doubt about it.
Why is Dana Brown and or Joe as spot of
slow playing this? Well, there was a reason for it,
because major League Baseball in the regular season in real

(01:53:57):
ballparks is significantly different than playing a handful of games
against double and triple A players of the Cardinals and
the Mets and the Nationals. Yeah, and we didn't have
time with Bogosivic earlier, which we have we're gonna have
in the next segment. I wanted to ask him too,
and we will down the road. What what's he seen
from camp Smith? Because the results right now at the
play have not been great six fifty nine ops. I

(01:54:21):
don't know if it's overmatched or not seasoned enough, probably
some of it. I mean, here's the thing, though, if
he kind of stays where he is, I think his
his a his role this year has already been defined.
I don't think sending him to Sugar Line at this
point because he is getting some playing time as all
of a sudden going to fix the issues he'd have

(01:54:42):
to go ross. He'd had to go to a do
a prolonged oh for twenty six in order for the
Asters to kind of think about doing that. Well, what
if he's right where he is in a month two fourteen,
six fifty nine ops. I think he's playing, I think
he's bit playing. I think is playing three times as
much as he is. What does it take for him
to get optioned? So what I'm wondering, as I said,
I think it's I think a two week slump of

(01:55:06):
not making any sort of contact any on the base
pass would be more of a sign than what he's
doing right now, because right now he's playing some, but
he feels like the central's getting more playing time right now.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
He had that two home run game, but it's been
a month of no home runs since, not a whole
lot of extra base since base hits since. So let's
just learn this.

Speaker 6 (01:55:30):
Learning example out of this is that while we love
camp Smith and we believe that camp Smith will be
a Financi League baseball player, let's slow the roll down
a little bit. Nope, Nope, every prospect is the best ever.
Managers are idiots. General managers idiots. Promote everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
He's ready to go. Kids a phenom. Spring training results
mean everything. We don't learn, We don't learn. But why
don't we learn?

Speaker 6 (01:55:51):
Why don't you listen to Matt and Ross when we
say that you don't trust March numbers of September numbers?

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
Why don't we learn from these? We didn't?

Speaker 8 (01:55:56):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
Her caller Paul earlier in the week. He knows more
than you, he does well, he took it. He took
it out of me yesterday too. What do you call
you a clown? Was that yesterday? Yeah? Okay, who do
you want?

Speaker 6 (01:56:06):
He wanted more Reed Shepherd and more Cam Whitmore and
Whitmore the saviors of the Rockets. They would have won
the series if we got more Cam Whitmore and Reed Shepherd.
Email is not in the business of sitting guys. Is
it just to prove a point? Certainly not in the playoffs. No,
let's go to line number one if you can't. Sally

(01:56:28):
calling us from Central Florida won twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
I sell, Hey, Matt, how you guys doing it? Thank
you for calling.

Speaker 14 (01:56:34):
My take on Pete Rose is isn't it ironic that
baseball is so heavily invested in gambling right now that
it's almost hypocritical to say he's excluded from baseball because
he bet on baseball when they are encouraging everybody in
the world to bet on baseball. So that that's my take.

Speaker 6 (01:56:56):
Well, there is hypocrisy that they used to turn a
blind eye to gambling and now they're they're enjoying it
and reaping the benefits of it. But it doesn't still
change the rules. Sound thanks to the phone call that
the rule still states you can bet on things all
you want to, you just can't bet on the sport
in what you play in, and I understand that the
same thing in basketball basketball the Adam Silver doesn't mind

(01:57:18):
if you run into Las Vegas and gamble blackjack and
crabs and roulette, and if you want to bet on
the on the Cowboys versus the Eagles and knock it out.
These sports leagues don't want you betting on your own
sport because you are attacking the integrity of said sport.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
And I don't blame them for that.

Speaker 6 (01:57:37):
Is it is a touch hypocritical, but you also understand
it's about protecting the sanctity of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
I think you can responsibly.

Speaker 6 (01:57:50):
Have gambling in your sports and yet still have a
hard fast stance of you can't bet on it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
You can do it.

Speaker 6 (01:58:00):
You can go bet blackjack like for instance, I as
an NBA employee, canot bet in NBA games.

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
M h, I love gambling. I can do it played
blackjack like nobody else. Matt play too much blackjack.

Speaker 6 (01:58:18):
Before we get to the conversation with uh Brian Wigboga
suff is that soubs online one there? Yes, I've never
seen it spelled that way, s u b e s
That's not the soups I know.

Speaker 1 (01:58:29):
High soups.

Speaker 13 (01:58:30):
Yeah, you forgot to see it's all good man. I
recently seen Ross and I think I missed you. I
think you're you're out of town or.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
Something I was trying to hide from you. No, I
know it's okay, it's all good.

Speaker 8 (01:58:42):
Hey.

Speaker 13 (01:58:43):
So being back in town, I'm over in Itto, right,
I got to go to a few home games, and
I've kind of invested in Cam Smith's. That says one
because he watched number eleven under Kim Cominetti ironically grew
up as a third baseman and Cam short commin Eddi.
So I'm like, I'm hoping this works out, and it
kind of got the same body built. It's a little
bit smaller, you know, because he's rook But one of
the things I'll say about Cam Smith I notice.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
Is he'll have like in the games.

Speaker 13 (01:59:05):
In the home games I saw, he'll have like good
at baths where it looks like you can see the
pitch well and then there's other you know, and this
is where the this is where the experience comes from,
and he'll swing at something that's totally totally told out
his own. So my hope is that you know, if
he's batting to sixty two seventy by the end of
the year with like fifteen home runs. I considered the year,
she says, because defensively he's fantastic. I mean the other

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night he made to Jomp and catching him and Myers
are like sharks on that side of field. So you know,
we're no longer worrying about that. But you know, with
no offense, he kind of wanted a little bit more.
You know, props to Jake Myers for hidden t ninety
and you know, opinion proven. And then one of the things,
You're right though, when it comes to these prospects, look
at his zenzol right, and remember what come last year?
When they first came up, they looked overwhelm kind of

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like how Cambwick's now, and just sometimes they just need
that seasoning, you know, it just goes like this. And
then most importantly, the biggest reason why I'm calling is,
I know it isn't today, but Jeff Passing, he's a
big old shut you Obama us up with that article
on Bregman. Oh my god, it's just proof that national
media just hates all Houston sports because, you know, one minute.

Speaker 6 (02:00:06):
Jeff Passing a douchebag, he's he's a smarmy, small suit
wearing medium dork douche, so exactly you feel all.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
I got them all, I got them all characterized.

Speaker 13 (02:00:20):
But yeah, man, seeing that, you know, it just like
takes me office. He's in sports me up because it's like, dude,
our guys aren't out there. You know, they're not out
there like you know, domestic abuse, drinking or DUIs or
anything like that. Like, yeah, the seventeen things sucks, but
all those guys are gone, and yet people are still screaming,
you know, bleep out tub and it's just sickening.

Speaker 6 (02:00:37):
So thanks, Zubs, I appreciate. Good to hear your voice.
G glad you're back in town. Let's hear from Brian
Bogusvic next. And by the way, we have to have
a story tomorrow. Then I'm gonna tease a head. I
don't mean the TEASA had this far in advance, but
I just saw it a minute ago. We may even
get time for it today. No, let's shot tomorrow. Make
sure you listen to us tomorrow at ten thirty ten
thirty tomorrow, I have a I have a We're gonna

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have a ruling about food in stadiums. Okay, I'm ready
ten thirty tomorrow. Ten thirty tomorrow. Great performance for fromber
Valdez and company, the Astros one two to one over
the Kansasity Rolls yesterday. We had a chance earlier to
catch up with Brian Bogasvik. We'd like to when we
can replace some of that conversation for you right now,

(02:01:21):
as the astro analyst from Space City talks about what
he saw last night from the ace, Lefty, Yeah, I
like wins.

Speaker 9 (02:01:28):
I especially like wins that are under two and a
half hours. So the last night was about as good
as it gets for us.

Speaker 6 (02:01:33):
Hey, let me tell you we've kind of brought up
this narrative this year, good Fromber versus bad Fromber.

Speaker 1 (02:01:39):
Last night was great Fromber. What did you.

Speaker 6 (02:01:42):
See maybe that we have not seen even some of
his better performances earlier in the year.

Speaker 9 (02:01:48):
Well, first of all, he had all three of us
pitches working fastball, change up in the curveball, and there
have been, you know, more than a handful of starts
where he hasn't had everything and it's taken them away,
taking him a couple of innings to feel out what
is working and what is not working, and then adjust accordingly.
He had everything going from the jump yesterday, and for

(02:02:09):
him that means everything is down. If you look at
like a spray chart of his pitches from yesterday, everything
was the bottom third of the zone and below. And
with the guy who has such big movement on his sinker,
if he can start it at the knees and drop
it below, he's going to get a ton of curveballs.
If he can convince hitters that he's going to be
at that bottom of the zone and they're going to

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have to deal with that pitch and they're going to
have to swing at that pitch, he can then go
to the curve ball and get them chasing pitches below
the zone for a lot of swing and miss You know,
when the change up is coming out of the same
slot as the fastball and they're having a rush out
there trying to get to ninety five ninety six, it's
going to be even more weak contact round balls. And
when when you're seeing everything on the ground from fromber

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and then couple that with a bunch of swings and
misses on the curveball, he's going to be almost impossible
to be Brian.

Speaker 6 (02:02:59):
Shouldn't he have more nights like this. I mean, look,
not every pitcher, for every start's going to be able
to give you eight innings or going to be you know,
let me knights where you getting knocked around a little bit.
But by the type of pitches he throws, with the
fluidity in his motion, shouldn't he be a guy even
as long as he's been the major leagues that should
be around that an eighty five ninety ninety five pitch

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count to go deep into games?

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
Isn't that what Fromer was kind of built for.

Speaker 9 (02:03:23):
Yeah, you look at the type of pitcher he is.
You know, even though he can get swings and misses
at a high rate, especially with his curveball, he is
at his core a pitch to contact action type of pitcher,
and that typically lends itself to guys going deep in games.
And you know, sort of the rules of engagement have
changed over the last twenty years of how deep you're

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willing to let guys go. But if there is a
profile for the type of pitcher that you can just
put out there and push a little bit further or
be willing to throw on short rest if need be,
he is that guy because everything he does is predicated
on movement and movement. Even if you get, you know,
a little bit tired, Even if your pitch town is
up near one hundred, even if you're you know, you've

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been throwing every fifth day or every fourth day, whatever
it could be, that doesn't change. Sometimes it'll even get
better with a little bit of fatigue. So, yes, he
is a guy where if you're going to look at
anybody in that rotation and say who can who can
get pushed a little bit, it's definitely him.

Speaker 6 (02:04:23):
Brian bogasvic Well us here on Sports Talk seven to
ninety estoc paratus with the walk off and pulled into
the Crawford boxes. Just overall what you've been seeing from
him as a hitter and and for a guy for
him who is such heavy pull, what exactly how does
he end up like that?

Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
Especially with opposing.

Speaker 6 (02:04:42):
Pictures, Know that he's going to try to pull everything
and he's still able to do it.

Speaker 9 (02:04:47):
For him, it's by design, and it's by design in
how he approaches his at back. Sometimes you hear about
guys who are heavy, heavy poll hitters and you think, well,
they must just be cheating, they must just be guessing
swinging early. They're going to be susceptible to chasing. You know,
you've seen a million of those guys come along and
it typically doesn't go well. I've been really impressed with

(02:05:11):
him watching him on a day in, a day out
basis of how he executes, you know, his plan of
being a poll hitter, and it's all about knowing what
pitches he can handle, knowing what pitches he can do that,
which do that with. And he's really stubborn in his
that back. He's not going to go and give in

(02:05:31):
and swing at, you know, a sinker down in a
way early in the count and roll over it. He's
looking for breaking balls up. He's looking for fastballs on
the inner third that he can turn on and he'll
make the adjustment lately at that and deal with it
with a tough pitch, you know, with two strikes if
need be. But he's really has a good idea of
what pitches he can handle, and he's very stubborn in

(02:05:52):
waiting out those pitches. That's why he walks. He walks
a lot, not because you know, he's just trying to
get on basis because he's he walked a lot because
he doesn't give in in hunting.

Speaker 1 (02:06:03):
His pitches and on Jake Myers.

Speaker 6 (02:06:06):
This is a running bit here, Brian on the show
that I'm the president of the Jake Myers fan Club.
We're having a good May, but we also had a
good May last year. What are you seeing from him now?
Does it feel different or somewhat the same from the
May that he had last year where we're almost waiting
for the other shoe to drop.

Speaker 9 (02:06:23):
No, I think it feels different. I think it feels
different in that it's more consistent. We've seen him get
hot at times before, but it was very very much
an all or nothing type of hot streak. You know,
he'd get four or five games in a row where
everything was falling in and you could just see that
he was riding this hot wave, and then it would
eventually come back to baseline. But right now, it's just

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a lot of good at bats. It's a lot of
hard contact. Even if you look back at the series
in Milwaukee, you know, he got a base hit in
every game, but there were probably two or three balls
that he hit hard every game and they didn't all
fall in. So there's a lot more volume of quality.
And he also feels like he's gotten comfortable with his approach,

(02:07:08):
and he's obviously being more aggressive early in at bats.
He doesn't want to get to two strikes where pitchers
can really try to expand the zone on him. And
once you get comfortable with how you want to approach
and at that, it really settles you. It really gives
you a good gauge as a hitter of when was
I successful in executing my plan and when was I not?

(02:07:29):
And it gives you something to fall back on when
you're trying to evaluate am I doing what I need
to do or not, you know, other than just did
I get a hit? Did I not get a hit?
And it seems like he's very comfortable and very settled
in how he wants to approach it at bats, which
has resulted in a lot more consistency.

Speaker 6 (02:07:45):
Are we going to see somebody not named Jeremy Pana
in the Ladov spot for the foreseeable future for the
local nine?

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
And are you surprised that's gone as wall as it has?

Speaker 6 (02:07:54):
Are you surprised that the Jose went to him and
said let's make a change, And just your general thoughts
about what now he's been able to do kind of
finding the most comfortable spot in the lineup for him
in probably a couple of years now.

Speaker 9 (02:08:05):
Yeah, I think I think that's his spot, and I
think it's a really good fit. You know, all the
things that he can do, from handling his at back
to you know, how dynamic he is on the basis
to just you know, being sort of an energy type
of guy at the top of the order. It's a
really good fit. And you know, am I surprise that

(02:08:28):
Jose went to him and said, hey, let's make this change. No,
because that's what Jose Altuve is. You know, as great
a player as he is, he's an even better teammate.
So no, I'm not surprised by the whole situation. And
you know, you have to be able to make quick adjustments.
Being in the leadoff spot. You're going to get a
ton of that backs, you're going to have. You know

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that you're going to be the guy getting that fifth
or sixth played appearance at the end of the game,
so you cannot be susceptible to making the same out
over and over again. And he's made a lot of
quick adjustm this year, so it's been a really good
fit up there.

Speaker 6 (02:09:02):
Boggy, we do a segment on Tuesdays called gut feelings.
We just make kind of like predictions. I want to
get a gut feeling from you on how is right
field ultimately going to be settled this year? Is it
a mixture of Descenzo and Smith? Do you think one
of the two guys takes over? What are your thoughts
about both of the guys and how Joe is kind
of trying to figure out which hot got to keep
an line up every single day.

Speaker 9 (02:09:25):
I think as is right now. I think it stays
as a mixture of playing time. You know, both guys
bring things to the table that are valuable. Zack Zendos
had a ton of quality at bats, camp Smith continues
to improve, but it's also turning into not just you know,
a solid outfielder, but a very very good defensive outfielder.

(02:09:48):
I think the only thing that can throw a wrench
in that is if they ever if they eventually make
a move to get a left handed piece in the outfield.
You know, it's a very right handed team, and that
seems like it's the one place that they could add
a lit, candid bat. And then you're gonna have to
make a decision on the one of those two guys.
Probably but as is, I think they're I think they're
doing a nice job finding favorable matchups. I think either

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one of those guys at this point, if you throw
them out there every day, every day, it might be
a little bit too much, but you know, exposing them
to favorable matchups has been.

Speaker 1 (02:10:19):
Working so far that again, Brian Bogus e okay catches.

Speaker 6 (02:10:22):
You can catch them every Wednesday at ten o'clock on
Sports Talk seven, Aunty Believe.

Speaker 11 (02:10:27):
It or Not.

Speaker 6 (02:10:28):
Up next Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose one forty five
on Sports Talk seven ninety one. On Sports Talk seven,
Auntie finale of the three game series, Russell of the
On Deck Show. I mean it's fine, a few highlights,
few recaps. I'm heading out of the ballpart you are, Yeah,

(02:10:49):
I'm gonna get some tacos first, but all right, yeah yeah.
The clubhouse on the openial three tens, so, oh god,
I was just gonna get Joe, shake hands, kiss baby.

Speaker 1 (02:11:00):
I guess I get you. I guess I can go
in there. But I mean you can go in there.
They don't bite.

Speaker 6 (02:11:05):
No, No, I've been in the clubhouse. If I talk
to Christian Walker just hitter day, it's great. I'm pretty
you good. Hey, uh, Brian mctagger with us on the
show tomorrow. I just don't get it tomorrow. I feel
like tomorrow we could have a loaded I just don't
get segment, get a lot of things. I don't get
what we did the day between eleven thirty and twelve
that was That was about as bad a radio had
quite Take your a whiner. I think I'm pretty much

(02:11:26):
first of all our phones failed.

Speaker 1 (02:11:27):
That's true. People finally called in and wanted to be positive.
Made me happy. It didn't have to do it. That's fine.
We can be all negative and doing gloom. But it's
so it's so cathartic.

Speaker 6 (02:11:38):
You're not getting risks, not one for one, it's one
out of four. Okay, so one month, one week a month,
we're gonna how about once a quarter that feels better? Okay,
once a quarter that feels better? All right, five minutes
left to go in the show. What should we do?
We should play America's fastest growing sports radio game show

(02:12:00):
simply called it be Believe It or Not?

Speaker 1 (02:12:02):
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Speaker 6 (02:12:02):
You call seven one three two one two five seven
ninety seven one three two one two five seven ninety
today's edition and Believe or Not is all things about
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about you one of these two gentlemen, the statements completely
utterly angry. You'll say this, believe it have a savans.
Ronnie is full of bunking in up. You'll say this
to Believe it or not's in a row when you
a prize? What are you playing for today, Jonathan? See

(02:12:26):
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five seven. Nintie matt On seven hointy ready to play
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you're halfway to Chris Isaac.

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it for the rest of his career. Believe it or not,
that is a believe it. How do you not know
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was your favorite part of today's ten to two radio show?

Speaker 1 (02:14:19):
Let's see?

Speaker 6 (02:14:22):
I would have to say.

Speaker 7 (02:14:25):
When you talked about how nobody wanted to go see
Chris Aig again concert, and I was thinking, Yeah, you'd
have a funny little tomedy on HBO.

Speaker 5 (02:14:32):
I think, you know, my wife would probably enjoy that.

Speaker 4 (02:14:35):
So anyway, yeah, I guess I didn't realize why nobody
likes your friends.

Speaker 1 (02:14:40):
No, not the comedian. No, he's a singer, but he
had he actually had a little one hour show. So
basically you just joined the show within the last three minutes.

Speaker 6 (02:14:49):
We had three hours and forty five minutes of incredible
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of our show.

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Speaker 4 (02:14:57):
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That's what I'm talking about. That victory, Yes, exactly. Good
luck to your friend. Here we go.

Speaker 6 (02:15:06):
In nineteen ninety eight, Joe Jackson retroactively was given two
MVP Awards by Bill James Society for American Baseball Research.
Believe it or not, I'll say believe no, you shouldn't have.
And good luck on the Chris Island think I know,
uh Landman on seven ninety Landman, you're ready to play.

Speaker 1 (02:15:28):
Believe it or not?

Speaker 8 (02:15:30):
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Speaker 6 (02:15:31):
Pete Rose was a poor student in high school, had
to repeat his sophomore year.

Speaker 1 (02:15:35):
Believe it or not?

Speaker 8 (02:15:38):
Belave it?

Speaker 1 (02:15:39):
There you go, stay a number two for the win.

Speaker 6 (02:15:40):
According to the Doubt Report, in nineteen eighty seven, Pete
Rose bet on at least fifty two Reds games, wagering
no less than ten thousand dollars per day. Believe it
or not. It was me believe it money spender there.
Man on seven Nintie, Matt, you're ready to play Believe
it or not? Matt will Oh, Matt, of course you

(02:16:01):
already loved Believe it or not?

Speaker 1 (02:16:02):
You won. That's why I knew that. Roger on seven nine,
You ready to play Believe it or not?

Speaker 13 (02:16:08):
Believe it.

Speaker 6 (02:16:08):
Pete Rose's parents, Pete Senior and Laverne met at a
baseball game. Believe it or not. They did, and they
loved each other.

Speaker 1 (02:16:21):
Rose. You know, is there anybody named Laverne in America today?

Speaker 8 (02:16:25):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:16:25):
In a second? The last time I remember is DeFazio.
That's the one I only remember. And on that end
the show.

Speaker 4 (02:16:33):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:16:33):
The National Association of Broadcasters called they want no part
of today's program, but.

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They do want for five Marconi's Now.

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