Astros Take The Win To Finish The Series, Will It Be Enough To Find A Rhythm ? Rockets Post Season Talks

Astros Take The Win To Finish The Series, Will It Be Enough To Find A Rhythm ? Rockets Post Season Talk

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ten oh one in h Town. Hello and welcome into
a Thursday edition of The Matt Thomas Show with Ross
without Matt Thomas. Normally I needle and make fun of Matt,
but today is a very special day for him. Oh
don't worry. You've got me here for a reason. Okay,

(00:21):
well you can call Italy. I'm cute up, I'm teed up,
I'm ready to go. And it comes to that a
bit of an overlap from Dan Matthews. He'll be hanging out.
Appreciate you. Dan. Matt Thomas is out his youngest I'm sorry,
middle son, youngest boy is graduating from A, Texas A
and M the Fighting Aggie. So congratulations to the Thomas

(00:43):
family and their son Peyton, who is a lovely young man.
He is graduating from Texas A and M today. Yeah,
the best milestone day, the best news. He doesn't have
to live in college station anymore. So, well, see, you're
gonna take the shots, I guess yeah, I would. I'll
say to the mad thing and play the straight and
then you could take the shots, because that's what I
normally do. We'll flip flop the rolls there. I mean,
you're not wrong, whar nobody stays in college. You know,

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it's a it's a good college town. They got the
Dixie Chicken and north Gate and all that stuff and
getting into trouble. Johnny Manzel seems to have had a
good time over there. Yeah, he's got a bar there
now too, he does. He's got a bar on North
Kate is the That is like a match made in
Heavit Just comit to the bit and stick with the bit.
Some people try to tell you, you know, don't go with

(01:29):
the same show. Well, you're entire addiction problems too. Maybe
maybe you shouldn't open a bar doesn't mean a therapy
and mental well being clinic. Maybe he should do that.
I don't know. Okay, well I didn't know Johnny Manziel
had a joint over there. Wait wait, I didn't mean
to use that word. But anyways, uh, all right, So
now as a bar at Northgate, good for him. All right,

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So matt Thomas is out, Dan, Matthews, appreciate you hanging out.
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(02:13):
have Brian Bogo Sevic coming up very soon. We also
will have since we weren't on yesterday, normally the Thursday
bit is I just don't get it, but we're gonna
do eight. Nobody got time for that slash shut jobambass
up man coming up at eleven thirty.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Brian McTaggart on later in the show. Adam Wexer's joining
later on in the show. It's a jampack program today
on a Thursday, Dan, I was gonna say, you're covering
it all soup to nuts eight. Yeah, soup to nuts here.
So we're gonna talk about a number of things. We
are still into fallout mode with the rockets. I did
some diving on some numbers from Jalen Green. I kind

(02:48):
of hinted at this yesterday. I posted the video on
my Twitter if you want to see or actually my Instagram.
Hi folks, my name is Ross and this is a
heartfelt plea follow my Instagram. Let me just say it's
gonna help me professionally, and I would really appreciate it
at Sports RFE. And you can see the video there
that I put up. I don't know if you caught it, Dan,
but basically I did a bit of a dive on

(03:09):
Jalen Green and some of his numbers compared to some
of his young contemporaries in their first four years, and
it doesn't look good. We'll get into that. We also
have the dumbest instance of somebody saying something is a
must win game, and I think I've ever seen in
my life. We'll get to that later on, and then

(03:29):
of course we will get into your Houston Astros. You
guys had Dana Brown earlier today, Dan, how about them Astros?
Nine to one victory from ber Valdez looked like fromber
he gave up the solo shop. Other than that, everything
was okay. Seven innings of one run ball even in
a blowout. You used a bray you and Hater just
because you get the day off. Hater hadn't pitched for

(03:49):
a while as well, and feels a little bit better
to not get out of Milwaukee with a sweep now,
and I mean, especially to the team. You got coming in.
The Reds have not been able to beat those guys
over the last few years. So even though you're coming home,
you would like to be able to get back on
the winning track, because I mean, how many times in
baseball do we see that where you have a good

(04:10):
series against the team like they did against the Tigers,
then you lose that final one and it kind of
sends you in a little bit of a tailspin. You
go to Chicago, you lose two out of three. You
lose two out of three here, but at least you
get out of there on a high note and you
get on a happy flight, come back and rest up
today and hopefully, you know, make it two in a
row tomorrow against the Reds. Yeah, that would be nice.

(04:34):
And as far as the where are we at right
now on the rotation because Farmer was good, but he's
been somewhat up and down. Hunter Brown, we know is
your ace right now. He is just unstoppable. Hayden Wesnsky
and take a couple extra days because he needed some
resk because his VLA was down and he was super
effective when he was out there. Lance mc cullors Junior

(04:54):
is still kind of a wild card. How we feeling
about something that was even you know, it's always weak
to week with baseball. A couple of weeks ago were like, man,
this rotation is great. Everybody's locking everything down, and now
it's like, I don't know if I'm feeling so hot
about it taking away the guys you're supposed to count
on and Hunter and Fromber well, you can throw fromber

(05:14):
In there. Sorry, his glass start was very good, but
he's been somewhat shaky. Okay, so if you throw fromber
In there, I'll say surprised because it's a good and
bad on the surprise for the bad, it's that he
hasn't been better. I mean, I understand he gave you
the start yesterday. I understand he gave you the start
against the Royals, But outside of that, it's been either
eh or oh. I mean it's pretty much been that

(05:35):
with fromber so far this season. Again, outside of those
two starts, but then you don't really have much of
a sample size. On Araghetty Gusto pleasantly surprised. Hayden was nesky.
Same deal there, and I mean I know that he
hasn't really given you much longevity in terms of the
innings and then Blanco. I would probably say surprised because

(05:57):
the amount of innings he threw last year. You saw
some shaky outings steering spring training and some shakiness at
the beginning of the season. But I mean, he's somebody
that's been able to turn it around. But the long
ball is an issue with him. Yeah, it has been
issued with him. It's been an issue with Hayden Wesnesky
as well. If you just take out the home runs,
Weski's been great, but unfortunately he can't just take out

(06:19):
the home runs. He got that expert sweeper that he's
thrown up there and that's getting swing and miss. I mean,
I would say that probably, like you said, you throw
fromber In there surprised without him pleasantly surprised. So the
rotation lining up this weekend, It'll be Hunter Brown on Friday. Well, honestly,
I probably shouldn't look on ESPN because they usually get

(06:39):
stuff wrong, but at least what I'm seeing right now,
Hunter Brown, then Lance mccullor's junior, and then Aronel Blanco,
Lance mccullor's junior first start, eighty seven pitches, three and
two thirds innings, should have gotten the call on that
last hitter on a three to two pitch. It was
in the it got dipped into the top of the zone,
got called the ball. Unfortunately he got pulled so it

(06:59):
was walk. But I mean it was kind of the
Lance mccullor's junior experience. He and this happens with pictures
with really good stuff, is that they will get a
lot of whiffs and they will miss the strike zone
a lot. We've seen it from Lance mccullor's junior. We've
seen it from Spencer Arraghetti. Those types of pictures can
run into command issues because their stuff is so good.
It kind of just they throw it out there and

(07:21):
then hope it lands somewhere close to the strike zone
and and hope they get a whiff. So we saw
basically what we've seen a lot from Lance mccullor's junior.
In his career, he was working, he was giving up walks,
but he was also striking guys out and then at
the end of the day didn't give up a run. Yeah,
thanks a lot. Shane Live and Sparker really appreciate that
ball call that you had that chased Lance out in

(07:41):
the fourth inning. I have a crazy idea, Dan, what
if I could wave a magic wand and we had
technology that could get every single call right now. Why
would wouldn't that be crazy? Why would you come up
with such a crazy concept baseball do something that seems
so common sensical. I would. I'll tell you something even crazier.

(08:02):
What if we had the technology and they didn't use it,
that'd be weird? That weird. I'm sorry, Go ahead on me.
You know the installation, it takes time.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
All of this.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
What if I told you revenues are up and higher
than ever in baseball as well? I think you just
answered your own question. I think I just answered why
they're not doing it. It's not it's not broken, but
revenues are are up. We're fine, umpire. You're gonna have
to fight the Union probably on this, because one of
the skills that they do have that all these guys
are the best in the world at calling balls and strikes,
and so if you take away that skill from them,

(08:35):
then I guess they they aren't as special, or that
it's harder, it's easier for other guys to get into
the Union. I don't know. You and I could probably
go if we don't have to call balls and strikes.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
You can.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I you and I can go learn how to umpire
in about three months, probably under go to umpire in school.
I'll take it.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
You know, if you if you have the stomach to
be you know, yelled at by fans and be booed
and all of that kind of stuff, then you know,
if if you're of the sensitive variety, then I would
not recommend doing it. But no, I mean, I'm sorry
on Lance Mcellors Junior. Yeah, I mean it's you hit
it right on the head. I mean, he's it was
a start that it had taken us a while to

(09:11):
remember this, but once we saw it, we were like, oh, yeah,
that's right, Yeah, that that is this guy. In a way,
it's comforting. It's like same old Lance, Yeah, just Lance.
See look at this guy walking everybody into trouble, throwing
a lot of pitches. Somehow find your way to get
out of it. Yeah, and you know he would do that.
But I mean we talked with Dana Brown, as you
you mentioned, and you know, his big concern was how's

(09:32):
he going to feel after that? So he feels great.
So it's great to hear that. I mean, I think
it is going to pretty much be a start to
start thing and we just want to make sure that
we don't run into the Yeah, we pulled him because
he had this and it's just like, oh god, man
like it is one of those with Lance that that's
my biggest fear is that something like that, even as
minimal as it might be, you're gonna have the fans.

(09:53):
Of course, that is going to be a cloud over him.
Basically mean, I mean, he's gonna have to pitch fifty
starts in a row, probably even more before that is
something that would go away. And it's it's fair in
a way, and he earned it. But I was talking
about this last night with Chris Gordy on the Crawford
Box Cast, which you can catch for free on the

(10:14):
iHeartRadio app presented by Carbock Brewing. I want to see
every Lance mccullors junior post. I don't want to see
five people saying, well, he's gonna get hurt. Well, it's
gonna not gonna last. Well, here comes the other shooter, drop,
here comes discomfort. Just let the man go out there.
This has been such a tough mental battle for him.
Lance mccullor's junior loves the city of Houston. He loves

(10:37):
wearing that Astro's uniform. He lives and breathes this Astros organization.
He's wanted to be out there more than anyone else
on the planet. He has checked every box so far,
this into this rehab to where he starts throwing and throwing.
Then he's throwing catch, and then he's throwing bullpens, and
then he's throwing live BP and then he's getting his
rehab start, and now he is literally thrown on a

(10:59):
major league eighty seven pitches and still seventy five percent
of the responses are here comes just comfort, like just
keep it to yourself. Shut you know what as an
early shut show, bud Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna write
this down. I'm gonna say it again at eleven thirty. So, yeah,
I've had it. I've had it. Just let him go
out there and do his thing, and just keep your

(11:19):
mouth shut. If he does get hurt, nobody's gonna be
super surprised. But you can't predict the future. I can't
predict the future. He's checked every box up to this
point and he's healthy right now. Well, I mean, I
agree with everything you said wholeheartedly, but I mean it's
a trained response to have that reaction to him, because
that's what we've gotten. We turn it loose, let it go,

(11:40):
let it go. I mean, and you're right, he could
have gotten hurt fifteen times up to this point, and
he hasn't. He's not He's not there. You you have
a chance to be able to change the perception of you.
And the way that you do that is, Hey, you
make your second start, then you make your third, then
you make your fourth, and then we look up at
the end of the season and hopefully we're saying, oh man,
this is a start number twenty of the year for Lance.

(12:01):
I mean, we get to that point, then maybe that
starts to subside. But until then it's a wait and see. Yeah,
I understand, I understand, But I'm just saying, we don't
have to tweet that out or you can think it,
just don't tweet it. It's gonna be all right. We'll
see you, Mets Astros Twitter. What are you new here?
Don't get me started on them or Rockets Twitter. All right,
we're gonna take quick break here on the Matt Thomas

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(13:05):
Matthews Hou That is Matthews with one t uh so
talking a little bit of Astros. I know you guys
had Dana Brown on earlier today. Anything of note, any
groundbreaking stuff from the Astros general manager. Well, I mean
feeling good about Jordan as he actually mentioned it was
a muscle strain in the right hand. But don't think
he's gonna be out long. I think He's due to

(13:26):
come off the IL what middle of next week, so
hopefully he's back then, and then calling Zach Deznzo and
Cam Smith guys that can be corner pillars for the
organization four years ago. That is interesting. Now, Zach Decenzo
is an interesting case. We'll get to him first. He
has been hitting, he has been doing well. He's his

(13:48):
approach is looking pretty good. The numbers are looking great.
They're looking I mean, they're ahead of Cam Smith. But
also he has more experience than Cam Smith does. But
he's also interesting to me in that let you know,
of the year, you start getting ready for the season
and you're looking at guys and sometimes like who's on
what prospects a list? And generally there's nobody anywhere for
the Houston Astros. But I noticed that Zach Deznzo two

(14:11):
years ago wasn't on anybody's top one hundred prospects list,
but he was number forty on Baseball Prospectus list, and
I was like, WHOA, why did they have him up here?
Nobody else has him be in the top hundred, And
just basically their profile on him was, dude has a
lot of power if he can get a hold of
the ball, and I think that's kind of what we're
seeing right now. He's got the home run, he's been

(14:32):
getting some hits and making some contact, So there's been
some hard hit contact out of the bat of Zach Dezenzo.
He's long, he's rangy, and that would be I mean,
what found money that would be for the Astros if
Zach Deznzo could end up being a contributor. This feels
like kind of what they were hoping for. As far
as the outfield, it's like, well, we're just gonna throw

(14:53):
I don't want to say throw it up against the wall,
but we're just gonna kind of give everybody a little
bit of a shot and see what shakes out. And
so far, right now, Zack Dezenzo has responded he's he's
playing pretty well. No, there's no doubt. And I think
another thing that kind of feeds into everything you were
just talking about is where do you play him? I mean,
that's that's what I think was probably the question that
a lot of you know, scouts and you know, the
evaluators that work for those sites probably were wrestling with

(15:16):
of you know, he played shortstop in college, but he's
not going to play that in the play he was
a third baseman, and I do remember them saying, I mean,
just things that I had read about him as a prospect,
that he wasn't long for third base. And I mean
we asked Dana Brown, when he does become an everyday guy,
where do you see him playing? And he said left
field or first base? Yeah, that makes sense and we'll
see him. Well. Uh, some people want de Zenzo already

(15:39):
to take over for Christian Walker at first base, but
that's another discussion for another time. Cam Smith not in
the lineup yesterday, and we'll talk about those with Brian
Bogasavac coming up. You just have to feel for the
young man in the ninth spot of the lineup. Not
like he's been terrible. He did have that two home
run day we'll always remember. Even though one of them

(15:59):
snuck in the first row of the Crawford boxes, still
counts still a home run. The first one was a bomb.
But it's been a mixed bag in not setting the
world on fire as Cam Smith, well, I mean you're
talking about camp Smith or Christian Walker, camp Smith, camps.
Neither of them are setting the world up now. No, no, no,
And and I mean and that was another thing, you know,

(16:20):
we talked about with Dana is that he's at eighty
five at bats right now. He thinks that one hundred
and fifty at bats, you can have a pretty good
idea of what this guy is. So he's sixty five
away from that. But Christian Walker, I mean, you've had
a couple of games here of some singles in there.
But I mean, let's be honest. You're not paying him
twenty million dollars a year to hit singles for you

(16:41):
and up the average you're hit. You're paying them that
much money to up the average. And oh, by the way,
put the ball over the wall. That'd be nice. It
would nice to be nice to see at least more consistently.
Brian Bogosvic coming up at eleven o'clock here on the
Matt Thomas Show with Ross seven one three two two
five seven ninety is the number seven seven ninety. Roger

(17:03):
is on the Northwest side and has gotten in here
on the program. What's up, Roger?

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Hey, how's it going guys?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
The interesting conversation with being a brown there he mentioned that,
well he's a GM, he's not gonna throw a shit
on his own club. That would be ridiculous what I
got out of that wash. You know, once we get
on all cylinders. But the key to me is the
question is all cylinders all? Meaning we're missing cylinders, and
I'm not sure how many cylinders we're gonna need going forward,

(17:32):
but some of these cylinders are not on the club
yet as far as by way of trade or acquisition
or however we're gonna do it. And then you got
the guys that are supposed to be the pillars of
your offense, l t A Alvarez and uh and Walker
and those guys for the most part not showing up yet.
Our TV just ran through another stop sign and he

(17:54):
just got Coach still caught on tut seeing again right now,
as his stake said, I just don't know where these
fillers are coming from. And I know Abron, you know,
he's going to be the political guy that he is.
He's not gonna you know, you know, shake the shake
the ship just yet, and he's not gonna do anything
to worry the worry the fan base. But I just

(18:16):
you know, when when uh Dad Dad bought it up
the other day, you know, when when you've got myers
leading your leading your club and most offensive categories. It's
a pretty telling signs. And yeah, we've been spoiled up
until this point.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Hey, come on, man, let me taking shot to Jake Roger.
We'day as my eye.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
But yeah, I just uh, I just want to say,
I just want to turn an early uh uh shut
your ball mass up and got that right now?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
All right, thank you, Roger, appreciate it. Yeah, Okay, First
of all, if Jake Myers is leading your team in
batting average and o PS, one of two things are happening.
He is lighting the world on fire, or your team
off isn't very good. It's kind of in between, Like
he's not lighting the world on fire right now, ops
at seven seventy seven. But it has been a bad

(19:09):
offense and that's the thing we have to wonder and
uh and we'll just continue to you know, it's a
one hundred and sixty two game season. Will monitor it
week by week, day by day. We keep saying we
can use the excuses early right now, But I mean
the Jose Al twoveays of the world, jord And Alvarez,
Christian Walker, guys at Janer Diaz at least is getting
some hits now. But those guys for the balance of

(19:30):
the season have been horrible and much worse relative to
where they've been the last several years. His bat's supposed
to be an added bonus. I mean, he's in this
lineup because of what he gives you out in the
outfield and what he gives you on the base pads.
That's why Jake Myers is here. And I mean Roger
brought it up. Yeah, we talked about it yesterday morning
of you know, I keep hearing about, oh, when these
bats get going, I'm like, when, Okay, Well, I mean yeah,

(19:50):
that's that is the question that we have is when
is this going to happen? And when it gets going,
what does it look like? Because I mean Dana Brown
even talked about this morning. You know what you project
him to be as a hitter, He's probably more of
a two fifty to two seventy guy if he's really
getting going, and if he is, then you feel really
good about it. But continuing the pace that he's been
on the last week and a half, I mean, didn't

(20:12):
you do this last year? In the month of May
he did this I believe it was, was it May
or June? One of the first ones. I first I
think it was May he was opsing over like nine
hundred to one, and then he The crazy thing to
me is, uh, you know, it's always an emotional rollercoaster,
as the as the president of the Jake Myers Fan Club.
Even then, of course, last year I was like, Okay,

(20:33):
he's not a nine hundred oh ps guy, but if
at least what you want from him is basically ops
plus for those who don't know, average league averages one hundred,
you just want him at basically one hundred, and then
you bring great center field defense. That's a plus player.
If he can just do that, he'd be great. He
ended up like an eighty nine last year. He had
one of his worst offensive seasons, even with that torrid

(20:56):
month of May, which is crazy, that's how far he
tumbled down. So yeah, with him, we can wait and
see the other shoe will drop. He's not gonna hit
two ninety seven all season long, but yeah, as Dana
Brown said, if you can get around two fifty to seventy,
be effective, be at the nine hole hitter. You know,
he's been drawing a little bit more walks. It feels
like I'd have to look at the rates. But just
from seeing him in some of his A b's, it

(21:19):
looks at least competent out there. But we have seen
this from him before, and you have to wonder, okay,
when when is the other shoe going right? That's the
thing that aggravates you about him, is I mean, if
you just had a hint of more plate discipline, which
he has, I mean he has. Yeah, I mean, it'd
be interesting to see what the numbers are in terms
of the walks and you know, just being able to

(21:39):
get on base one way or the other this year.
But I mean, but then there is also those at
bats where you just see a slider that's almost in
the outside batter's box and he's going for the dias
and you're just like, dude, like what, dude, how many
times this year if we've seen the yin or d
at the little league swing of you know, the asses
in the third base dug out? He swings at everything.
I mean even the bases loaded the fifth inning yesterday

(22:01):
where it's like hmm, east Soak Predis just had five pitches,
he took a walk, Christian Walker, same deal, and then
the first pitch almost hits you and you're offering at
it like it's just like, dude, I get it, like
you're kind of trying to make up for lost time,
but bases loaded two outs, that ain't the time to
try to course correct. Yeah, walk walk percentage is up
for him from six point eight last year to eight

(22:22):
percent of the time uh mL Major League Baseball average
is eight point four, So he's still below league average,
but at least he's trending upwards. Right now, I was
gonna say, at least he's taking the step in the
right direction. Hey, you're if your nine hole hitter has
an average walk percentage, that's not horrible, especially if he
can get a hold of one and get some high
exit vlos. What Jack Myers has been able to do?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
All right?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
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Mattin ross return returned On Sports talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Chuckling to, Myself oh, man this is some audio we'll
play for you later on That i'm. Recording AS i,
mentioned the whole REASON i started my must win. Crusade
we will get to that actually coming up in the
next segment here On Sports talk seven. Ninety you guys
want to get in you cant seven one three two

(27:18):
one two five seven ninety seven one three two one
two five seven. Ninety, Well Brian bogusvic coming. Up we'll
talk some. Astros and you, KNOW i love Haw Brian
Brian Bogosava. GONE i think he does a great job
in one of his of, course his expertise lies in
hitting and breaking down hitting and hit, ers as a

(27:39):
former major league hitter, himself so it's good to have
him on the part of the, season especially when everybody
is struggling at the. Plate if everybody was hitting in
this this is like the number one offensive, Baseball, like, hey, hey,
buggy how's it. Going anything talking about, now we'll catch
you next. Week appreciate, it but we have a lot to,
discuss a lot to break, down a lot of different
guys struggling in different, ways and it all continuing to happen.

(28:02):
Collectively now things have improved somewhat to a certain, degree
to the point where at least they're not thirtieth out
of thirty in TEAM ops in, baseball but right now
they are, twentieth and that's an improvement from where they
have been to start the, season especially last. Year and

(28:23):
really all you need is a few, games especially this
early in the, season to really make a. Leap like
if you just look at the micro for, Example Jake
myers to where over the weekend he has a four
to four, game he drives in seven, runs and he
then follows that up with a game where he's getting
on baits with a couple of walks and a. Hit

(28:44):
he goes on a hit, streak and within the span
of a week he goes from like a two fifty
whatever hitter with AN ops to like six fifty to
now he's leading the team IN. Ops he's hitting two ninety.
Seven so if you could just get even a week
of hot hitting from this team, collectively you would just
see those numbers jump up significantly to where we're talking

(29:04):
about them getting top fifteen and hopefully fringe top ten
offense and all of. Baseball that's how early we are
into the. Season but it just almost feels like coming
on here and it's an everyday talk Show monday Through
friday here On Sports talk seven ninety so we do talk,
sports but it's to an extent where it's like it's
gonna turn at some. Point it's gonna get better at some,

(29:25):
point they're gonna start hitting at some, point and then
at some point where that point is you, say, okay
maybe it's not. Turning. Now we have to do that
on a case by case. Basis this is a team of,
individuals especially when you're talking about. Baseball it is the
most to me of our major sports. Individualistic it is

(29:47):
one pitcher against one. Hitter you have nine different guys
in the lineup with nine different, swings nine different, approaches
and are gonna be pitched nine different. Ways but you
add it all, up it's crazy to me how collect
actively they continue to struggle to where your hottest, hitter
like we, said is a guy who is gonna be
your eight nine hitter all season, long everyone continues to

(30:11):
struggle for the most. Part, WELL i mean it's it's
nice to have that right. Now but, AGAIN i mean
Except Jeremy, PAINE i sctually bring up has been. GREAT
i mean, yeah and he continued that yesterday three Run, Homer,
god that was a sight for sore. Eyes where you
get the fifth inning and then you, know the following,
inning you get a couple of guys on two outs
and you're, like we're not going to do this, again
are we? Guys like soon? Enough like, like, guys soon.

(30:35):
Enough somebody's got to do. Something And Jeremy pine, said, hey, hey,
HEY i Got it's like a cold drink of water
in the desert when they come through with runners and scoring.
Positions i've said it that this offense is seriously the
suit store in my Cousin, venny the entire store has the.
Flu that's why he shows. Up we're in a. Tuxedo
so when The astros aren't hitting, well AND i, say
we're all wearing, tuxedos that's the. Reference what, yeah, okay,

(30:59):
yeah Cousin, BENNY i just watched that.

Speaker 17 (31:01):
Today it Was i've been watching those.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Times, Mister you're mocking. Me how About Prime marissa Toe, May,
JONATHAN i don't know that this is the. Woman, yeah oh, yeah, yeah,
Yes Prime marissa Toe. MAY i didn't know that was
until the. Movie, now now she's on your radar and
She George costanzo was a big. Fan well you. WAS

(31:29):
i think we all. ARE i think we all still.
Are she's like in her fifty, right she's in her
fifties and all, right, anyways uh that's you don't know, This.
Jonathan but every Time dan fills, in we're gonna get
a number of movie. References we used to have a
sounder for. IT i can't remember what it, was but
we'll have to figure something that Jal, yeah, YEAH i

(31:49):
think it's A Jalen rose ding for any time That
danes on our. Cs, actually normally when you sit in this,
SEAT i start making a bunch of movie references because
it just like via. OSMOSIS i can't stop doing. It,
Yeah i'm telling. YOU i mean it rubs off in
a positive way and you just embrace the energy and
you go with. It that's a. Clip it feels like
all right seven five seven Ninety Anthony holy alogous here

(32:15):
on the, Man thomas. Show what's? Up, Anthony very.

Speaker 18 (32:18):
Good, morning. Guys BEFORE i say What i'm gonna, SAY
i would like to say That i'm A i am
a Diehard astros, fan BUT i played the game of
baseball for fourteen. YEARS i played one YEAR d two
baseball BEFORE i tore my lcl and my. Elbow BUT
i If i'm, Now i'm trying to teach my eight

(32:42):
year old son how to play, baseball and h they're
specific guys THAT i like to tell. Him, hey let's
watch this guy and The reds have one coming to
town this weekend In elie de La. Cruz if you
have not.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Wanted, yeah just just tell your son to be six
foot four rangey with explosive power in blinding. Speed that's
all your son's got to, do no, MAN i hope.

Speaker 18 (33:07):
So but but more so the Way ellie plays the game, fast,
uh doesn't take a. Playoff if you have not watched
this kid play, baseball he's electric to the ballpark this, Weekend, yes, Sir,
yeah all?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Right is that, It? Anthony, yes, sir all, right, yeah appreciate.

Speaker 18 (33:24):
It.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah. Yeah, look if you're if your son just wants
to have explosive, power blinding, speed and be six foot
four and rangey at. Shortstop it's. Easy It's it's kind
of like the joke That Wade phillips made when they
had to go up against uh what was, It Gronk
gronk and uh another guy that played it is the
greatest defensive coordinator of all, time and and the joke

(33:47):
was asking about the secondary trying to cover those. Guys he, Goes,
yeah we're gonna coach Hight that's that's what we're gonna.
Coach we're gonna Coach that's that's what it. Is when
it's guys like that Of oh, man how DO i
get to be that? Guy? Genetics, YEAH i understand what he's.
Saying watch. SOMEBODY i love the passion and not taking

(34:07):
him too serious That Elie delacruz plays. With BUT i,
mean he has a lot Of god given. Gifts but
he's also electric and that's especially the beauty of. Now
you don't make it to any professional sport at the
highest level without putting in some, work especially of course
Not Major League. Baseball so, YEAH i, mean and he's
a guy that gets it done with, EVERYTHING i, mean, power,
speed and you, know everybody wants to talk about the

(34:29):
guy out IN la and in Chihe. Otani But i'm,
like you put this guy In New, York, chicago any other,
place one of the Biggest he's one of the biggest.
Superstars maybe eventually it'll. HAPPEN i think he was signed
as a fifteen sixteen year old for like sixty thousand,
dollars so maybe, Maybe well it'd be. Nice they don't
grow on, trees but The Cincinnati reds got them. One

(34:50):
he he is certainly electric and will be fun to
watch this, Weekend Cincinnati reds coming into. Town nobody's electric
for The astros right, now who do you think who
is the most? Electric like ceiling even for The. ASTROS
i guess you Ord On, Alvarez cam for, Sure, Yeah Cam,
Smith you're. Right he could get there at some. Point
he hasn't been. There it's early in his major league.
Career he's definitely going through. It and, then of course

(35:14):
we Know Jake myers is the. Electric another great catch
in center field yesterday he did. Second he's got that
part of the.

Speaker 19 (35:20):
Game we know.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
THAT i just the only thing that disappoints me With
Cam smith is that we have yet to get the
aircraft carrier, hats you, know like the hats that have
like the wings that like the ship commanders wear that
we need to have the cam smith you, know kind
Of uss style. Hats that's what we need to. Have
And i've brought it, up, okay and it's it's never
falling on deaf. Ears that's. Fine merchandising has not picked me.

(35:43):
Up it's like me trying to get The boogeyman started
as a Men thompson's. NICKNAME i think it got crushed
in the POLL i put On Sports talk seven. Ninety
yes you like, it though it. DOES i think it's
not that. BAD i, mean especially too if you do
Get Kevin durant over the off. Season The boogeyman and
the Swim Reaper, OOH i like. That everyone wants to
go with the Evil. Twin i'm, like, yeah BUT i
think he likes to be independent of. Twin. Yeah how

(36:04):
long original is?

Speaker 18 (36:04):
That?

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Exactly everyone goes with things with people's names or with their,
twin or like what country they're, from and it's, like,
uh can we just come up with something a little
bit more? Original and WHEN i was WATCHING i was
Watching Steph curry getting guarded by Men thompson and and.
Shots he would normally pull up and. Shoot he didn't do.

(36:25):
It i'm, like he is, shook he is. SCARED a
Men thompson is the. Boogeyman, well and it's also too
you think of what the boogeyman. Is the boogeyman hides
under your, bed in your. Closet you, know you hear,
that you hear that. Creek you're not hearing. Things that's
that's actually the boogie. Boogeyman and that's and that's what
a Men thompson. Does guards you face you know WHAT
i got you on? Board, yeah guards. YOU i am
one hundred percent on, board thank. You he guards you face.

(36:47):
Up or it's one of Those, hey all, right here
goes one right off the. Glass, no it's not all, right.
Guys we gotta take a quick break here on The
Matt Thomas show With ross when we come. Back one
of the dumbest Things i've ever, Heard and, honestly this
is from a source That i'm it's not that surprising
that it, happened but, UH i GUESS i should have.

(37:07):
Been shouldn't have been, surprised BUT i. Was as far
as the REASON i started this must win game. Crusade
i'll give you that reason coming up next year on
The Matt Tama show With. Ross The Matt Thomas show
With ross here On Sports talk seven. Ninety Because i've
joked about, earlier don't adjust the. RADIO i mean because

(37:30):
you KNOW i had a little bit of technical issues
earlier Today, ross but we were able to get the
show going with me And sean weekday morning six to ten.
Am how's the morning shift going for? You are you staying?

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Up?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
No what time you go in to bed normally ten
o'clock SO i get a good six. Hours then it's not.
Bad but, no then you? Nap do you nap every? Day,
yes that's the worst. Part, well wake? Up do you
sometimes wake up for a? Napping you know what dat?
Is it's. Happened but also too you get the is
it two am or is it two? Pm it's the extra.
Grogginess it's like when you day drink like you got

(38:02):
to you gotta to a brunch and you're, like, yeah
ALL i can drink mimosas sounds like a great. Idea
it is the. Best it is the best until you
wake up at four and you're not sure if it's four?
Am or four. Pm oh, no it's. AWESOME i, mean
like you, know the massive headache from from cheap. Champagne,
like especially at this time of the, year it's it's
like tremendously. Amazing where you go do, that go to,

(38:23):
brunch come, home maybe throw some golf for some afternoon,
baseball and THE tv fall asleep for a little. Bit,
yeah then you wake back up and you, say, yeah,
hey let's go get a boozy. Dinner so, yeah you
go throw up and then you go to. Dinner it's
a good. Time Well i'm not Going i'm not. Mixing
i'm not going crazy. HERE i, thought, well then why
are you doing bottomless mimosas if you ain't going? Crazy, Man,
Yeah i'm going crazy on the bottomless. Mimosas but then

(38:44):
on the, Match, hey bring on the. Shots, hey ain't
no half stepping at the at the bottomless mimosa. Brunch come, on,
man there is none idle to the. METAL i was
gonna say maybe maybe even you, know you want to
throw a meat a lot like that's the thing, Too
it's like Like i'll mess with the, good the one
for me THAT i think is the biggest, grift and
especially too for these places that get just so overboard

(39:06):
with them Bloody. Mary's i'm not a Big Bloody mary.
Guy the same, Thing i'm not a mitche a lot
of guy BECAUSE i don't like tomato. Juice in. GENERAL
i can only do one so much a lot AS
i can do. TOO i like, beer BUT i don't
like tomato, juice AND i just it' that's kind of
AND i just don't get it for. Me and that's.
Fine if you, Drink i'm not gonna hate on, you but,
yeah it's not my. Deal the Teen maybe a little
bit of some extra spice in, there MAYBE i need

(39:27):
to try. IT i haven't had a good Bloody mary
whatever you've put on an absolute just you really tied
one on the night. Before for, me there's nothing better
than a draft beer the next. Day it must just be,
mentally which is. Fine, yeah or it is like the extra,
carbonation the, nitrogen whatever the hell it. IS i think
that's called problem. Drinking. DAN i checked, out all.

Speaker 20 (39:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Uh, anyways as AS i was mentioning going into the,
BREAK i knew that's why you wanted me to stick.
AROUND i feel to see this is an, Intervention. Dan
you've affected me of the following. Ways all, right, sorry,
no this is not. Happening all. Right so going into the,
BREAK i was mentioning must win. Game, dan you've heard
me get on my soapbox about. This one of the

(40:09):
REASONS i started this crusade against must win game is
because there is so much gray, area and to, me
it's not a must win game UNLESS i go back
to The Brian reagan bit we've played, before you must
win them or you're. Eliminated other than, that it's a
very important. Game every game is. Important AND i started
this crusade years ago because people were overusing. It they're, like,

(40:30):
oh game, Three game one against The reds this weekend
In may is a must win. Game Oh Rockets november
tilt against The Oklahoma City, thunder this is a must win.
Game he's, like, no they're not all must win. Games
SO i took the gray out, personally And i'm like
on an island by. This by the, WAY i think
some people support, me but for the most, Part i'm by.
MYSELF i take the gray out black or. White will

(40:51):
you get eliminated from either playoff contingent or the actual?
Playoffs if the answer is, no it is a not
a must win. Game Chash jack And chuck ON tnt
seem to. DISAGREE n don't.

Speaker 21 (41:05):
Get, comfortable so must win For. Baltimore it's also a
muscle win For knicks if you want to put serious
pressure on the champs.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Game by the, WAY i should tell you for those
of you who don't, know The knicks are up to
nothing in the series coming, home And shack is calling
this a must win for The.

Speaker 22 (41:20):
Knicks game three is a. Mustard thirty to. Seventeen Oh,
god to see people who have been in this situation.
TWICE i was just going to bring that, up ISN'T i,
SAID i.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Be hold, on let me sah. Geez this is just.
Fantastic this is spectacular.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Radio you know.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
WHAT i need to shut my bomass.

Speaker 22 (41:35):
Up thirty to seventeen in the fourth. Quarter so let
me let me take that for a. Second he is
one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
CORRECT i was blown. AWAY i was, like he is
one hundred percent. Correct is that what you're going, With?
Shack and so he went on to explain multiple Times
chuck was up to nothing in, series and he is, saying, yes,
unequivocally it is a must win.

Speaker 23 (41:55):
Game Because dan the pressure, switches but also With. Kenny
when we won the first two games In, HOUSTON i
remember telling the, guy, guys we cannot go back To
houston to. Two we cannot go back To houston to.
TWO i, said we got to win game three and

(42:15):
in both of those and so What shack, said game
three is a must.

Speaker 22 (42:19):
Win it's gonna sound, Stupid yes it.

Speaker 23 (42:22):
Is game three is a must win for The knicks
because if they get, back because because game, four Because
boston's got a better. Team maybe been up twenty But
i'm telling you've been in that situation.

Speaker 21 (42:32):
Twice you gotta.

Speaker 22 (42:34):
Win that third.

Speaker 23 (42:34):
Game AND i KNEW i still thought we were gonna
win the series when we were, up but when we
Lost game.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Three but, Yeah so basically my favorite part is this
is gonna sound. Stupid if ever you say, that maybe
you should just stop the sentence right. There, yeah follow
me on this or hear me out those those are
always the ones, that oh my, god this is gonna.
Sound so you know, WHAT i wanted to take this.
OPPORTUNITY i hit the, Music. JONATHAN i want to do
another public service, nuns folks. High my name Is ross Vir,

(43:03):
real AND i have an important message From Sports talk
seven ninety and. iHeartMedia too many times in our lives
we use phrases that we. Shouldn't we say things are
literal when they're. Not like he's literally a million years. Old,
no he's not literally a million years. Old and MAYBE

(43:24):
i think take take things too literally AND i shouldn't
do it. Myself but you literally cannot sit up there
making millions of dollars as a sports. Pundent and, Yes
i'm very jealous and call a game where a team
is up to nothing coming home a must win. Games

(43:49):
SO i plead with all of you be, more just be,
better be more, decisive and just be more hesitant to
use the phrase must win. Game it's, overused it's. Overblown
not everything is a must win. Game your eight year

(44:09):
old's weekend series where nobody knows what's going on in
t ball and nobody can follow the. Ball it's not
a must win. Game, okay your game six of your
seven game series of your career IN nba TWO, k
it's not a must win. Game nobody's gonna die if
they lose. It AND i guess you know, what we
could even say none of them are must win games
because generally nobody dies after somebody loses a game. Seven,

(44:31):
now The Mayan ball, game that was a must win. Game,
okay if you're A maximus in The gladiator games in The,
coliseum that's a must win. Game Alexander hamilton And Aaron
burr must win. Games, win that's a must win. Absolutely
but game but game, two, yeah thank, you we've got

(44:52):
your movie. Reference but unless you can get, eliminated it's
not a must win. Game And i'll even give a
little grace and, leeway but going up to nothing coming
home game three is not a must win. Game thank.
You this has been a heartfelt message from your Friend.
Ross thank you for being here for.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
That.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Dan, WELL i rescued the dogs so that that song
no longer gets to. Me oh, okay that's. Good oh
you gave her her seventy five cents or. Whatever OH
i just did it. Myself we we just brought it
in the. Dogs i'm proud of. You i'm proud of You.
Dan all, right, Well, dan thanks for hanging. OUT i
don't know if you want to hang out For bogey
or how long you're staying or. Whatever you feel, entired?
Energetic is it nap?

Speaker 16 (45:33):
Time?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Bye out for Bogy, okay all, right, Cool so we'll
Have Brian bogosavic talking some astros when we come. Back
Is game one against The, reds a must win. Game
we will Ask Brian. Bogasvic coming up next here it
is The Matt Thomas show With ross On Sports talk
seven ninety eleven. O'clock straight up here on The Matt
Thomas show With ross Ros viria with. You Matt thomas is,

(45:55):
out his son is graduating From TEXAS a and M
congratulations To Peyton, Thomas Dan matthews hanging out for a
little bit. Longer appreciate him and also Appreciate brian Bogus
sevic as. Well did you get a degree From? Tulane,
BRIAN i do have a.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Degree oh?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Nice what was your? Major it was like business? Law
oh my, god. General i'm going to go with business. Ethics,
okay what is your what is your consulting? Fee? MAN
i got a lot of. QUESTIONS i got a lot
of questions for. You you want?

Speaker 23 (46:28):
Nothing you?

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Want you want nothing from me other than Day all,
right appreciate you joining us as, Always. Brian good good
news is we are going to talk about the hitting
not coming but at. Least they scored nine runs. Yesterday
so let's start with a little bit of POSITIVE i
asked you two weeks, ago do we think the breakout
For Jeremy pania is? Here and you said, yes and

(46:50):
continues to be the hard hit. Rates he's moved into
the start of the. Lineup just what have you seen from,
him especially relatives the last couple of years that that
we are seeing the breakout in time From jeremy.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Pinion, uh he's controlling the strike zone really. Well you,
know if you can break down hitting into an overly simplistic,
idea it's get a bit pitch to hit and get
a good swing off and then whatever happens after that
kind of you just live. With and he's in he's
he's getting his foot, down he's getting keeping his hands
back so he's in a good position to. Hit he's not,

(47:23):
chasing you, know so he's getting pitches to drive and
he's putting good swings on. Them that's why they felt
comfortable moving him up into you, know the leadoff, spot
because he can really control and at bat and that's
where that's where the confidence was coming from when the
results weren't there the first you, know a couple of
weeks or, so he's hovering around two hundred When i'm
thinking it's all, there because at bad after that, bat

(47:45):
he's got all of the ingredients for having more. Success
it's just a.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Matter of it.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Coming and, now you know what if it's like twenty
four out of twenty five games or. Something AND i
think yesterday's game was a really good. Example you, know
he turns on ninety six up and end to hit
a home, run and then the following at bat he
takes a pretty good breaking ball down in a way
and is able to put the barrel on it also
for a. Double so you, know it's not like he's
cheating to get to. Velocity it's not like he's giving

(48:11):
up on the fastball to not. Chase he's just in
a really good.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Spot, brian what was different About frombury? Yesterday, like what
did we see from him that we hadn't necessarily seen
from any of the other.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Starts, well for, him it all starts with his sinker
and establishing the bottom of the zone with his, sinker
and and you know he has to get that ball
moving with downward action when it starts coming off the
side of his hand and is a little bit, flatter
even if it's, harder even if it's ninety six ninety,
seven but it's running flat arm. Side that's not a good.

(48:45):
Thing he started. Off you, know he really made a
point to get his extension out. Front that has the
ball sinking down at the bottom of the, zone and
that tells, Hitters, OKAY i have to swing at that
pitch when it's. Down he's not going to give me
the mistake out over the. Plate he's going to pound
that fastball, down, down, Down and then not only is
he going to get ground balls off of that, pitch
but now you're susceptible to the curve ball because it

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comes out of the same. Spot and then he just
starts going to work on guys and it's a bunch
of ground balls on the, sinker it's a bunch of
swings and misses on the curve. Ball that is the
exact formula that you want to see from. Him establish
the sinker, down go to work on guys with the,
curveball mix in a couple of, changeups and once he
can do both of those, things he doesn't have to
do anything.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Different brian Boga sevik was u here on A Sports
talk seven ninety let's just go to the Weekly Christian walker.
Update we keep saying it's going to turn. Around unfortunately it.
Hasn't and we don't want to invoke the name of
his who rhymes with mose. Momayu but is there a
curse at first base for this? Team what's going on over?

Speaker 24 (49:47):
There?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
YEAH i wouldn't go so far as to say it's curse,
yet but it's not looking. Good you know What the
thing with him is that you can't really point to
anyone's sing and, say, hey is not. There you know
when when Jose At brady was really, struggling he was
over matched by, fastballs AND i was, like oh, man
if you can't hit the, fastball you're in. Trouble and For,
walker it's, like you, know he'll get blown up by

(50:10):
a fastball one at, bat but then he'll turn on
a fastball or he'll. Chase it's just it's just a
guy who's, searching and you, know everybody goes through, it
and you, know it stinks when it's at the beginning
of the. Season it really stinks when it's at the
beginning of a season with a brand new. Team but
you know there isn't anything that you can point to and,
say like a he can no longer recognize the breaking,

(50:32):
ball or he can no longer catch up to a.
Fastball he's just a dude who's in a, slump and
you know he's kind of swimming in his head a little.
Bit i'm still very hopeful that he'll break out and
he'll be, fine but, yeah it's past the point of
just kind of early season at all level. Out there's
got to be something that kind of there's going to
be a switch that flips mentally where he can. Relax
it looked like he might have been coming out of
it on the last home stand a little, bit but you,

(50:54):
know now he's kind of regressed a little bit.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Again Brian Bogusavic Space City home that we're joining us
here on the. Mat i'm a show With Ross. Bogie
a little bit of a revolving door right. Now platoon
situation over at second. Base you Get Mauricio dubon On,
monday then you Get Brendan rodgers there the last couple of.
Nights would you like to See joe kind of settle
that position of if he's going to go With, rogers
go with. Him if you're gonna go With, dubon same.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Deal, WELL i would love to see it. Settled but
it's not going to Be joe who settles. It it's
going to be the players to settle. It AND i
would love to see it settled because, somebody you, know just.
Starts if you start, hitting you're going to be there every,
day you, know between one of those two, guys and
it just hasn't happened for either. Yet you.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Know the good.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
News is the main reason you MOVED l TWO a
into the outfield was to get better defense at second,
base and you're getting that with both of those.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Guys they've they've both been very good over.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
There but, YEAH i would like for one of them
to settle it by getting. Hot and you, Know Brendan
rodgers can, provide you, know a little bit more power,
theoretically but we've also Seen Mauricio dubon get hot and
just put together some stretch is where he's getting a
ton of. Hits if either one of those guys gets remotely,
hot it will be their, job you, know until it's.

(52:08):
Not but it's not On joe to just decide on
one or the, other because you, know if you can't
make the. Decision it's probably because neither guy is really
taking hold of.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
It Camp, smith with the day off, yesterday can can
you just try to at least get into the mind
of a Camp. Smith what do you think is going
through his? Mind what do you think is his head?
Spinning is he just being? Uncomfortable is he just having
a little bit of bad luck when you're a young
guy and you're struggling and you get the day. Off
where do you think he is right?

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Now, well, well for a guy like, him a young
guys still working on you, know days, off our, workdays Right,
like it's a lot of work in the cage for him,
still you, know getting work in the outfield and. Stuff
but for him it's it's extra. Swings it's not just
sit down and watch the game and get a day
off like you. Would you know when When Al tuve
gets a day off once every month or, so because

(52:59):
he's got things that he's got to work. ON i
mean it's been made very clear to him by the
hitting coaches of what that plan needs to. Be you,
know getting more aggressive in is that, bats trying to
work to get a little bit more pre pitch, rhythm
get his hands going a little bit trying to move
the contact point out in, front because until he can
do that consistently and be timed up to a, fastball

(53:21):
nothing else is really going to fall in. Place and
now even to the fact that teams have gotten you,
know gotten a little bit of a book on, him
and he's not going to get The oh this guy
just randomly threw me a change up and hung it
over the middle of the plate AND i ran into.

Speaker 25 (53:35):
It like, like.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Teams are catching on to the fact that he's struggling
to get the bad head out on velocity and he's
gonna see less and less soft stuff that he can. Handle,
so h, yeah off days for a young guy like
that are you, know extra workdays.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
And bogie with rd. ON i, mean expect him, back
hopefully sometime in the middle of the. Week it's not a,
hamstring it's it's it's not a, quad it's not anything like.
That but when you see injuries like this with the,
HANDS i, mean is it something that it goes away
now that it comes back, Later, like you, know how
do you think that this is going to shake out for?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Him, yeah you, know it's kind of vague on what
the actual injury is they called it a strain or
a sprain or. Something you, know a lot of times with,
HANDS i think of you, know you get jammed and
your hand kind of blows up on you and you get.
Swelling that that's not the. Case that's something that can
pop up on any given. Swing you, know if this
is some kind of a muscular, thing you would think

(54:28):
that just giving it some time, off it calms down
and then it's back to. Normal hopefully that's the, case
and hopefully once he picks the bat back, up it's
it's fine and there's no lingering. Effects but you.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Know you never really.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Know hands are such delicate things when it comes to.
Hitting you, know even just being sore a little, bit
you know something that insidery you think OUT i can
play through, that it doesn't hurt all of that all that,
bad but just being off a little bit with with
your grip strength can affect your, swing which can really
affect you, know the production that you're putting. Up so

(55:02):
hopefully the the i al stint was overly, precaution and you,
know what could have been knocked out in three or
four days really gets knocked out in ten, days and
you know it comes, back and you've got to get him.
Hot you, know this offense is not going to be
what it can be or or what it needs to
be until he's healthy and getting, going and they got

(55:23):
to have it.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Quickly brian Bogas sevic continuing with continuing with us here
On Sports talk seven. Nine this is more of a general, Question,
Brian this is more for the. FANS i see this.
Everywhere it's like fire the hitting, Coaches fire the hitting.
Coaches i'm, like, okay, Well Jeremy pinion is having a breakout,
Season Jake myers is looking. GREAT a lot of the
production they're not getting is from established major. Leaguers but two,

(55:45):
parter what is the exactly the job of the hitting?
Coaches like how much is it on the? Players how
much is it on the? Coaches and then just as
much as you can from your perspective Evaluating Troy snicker
And Alex, Centron, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
You know a lot of you, know we think of
you have to think of coaching at the major league
level as very different than coaching at, say youth, levels, right, like,
yes you're still developing, Players yes you're working on, Things
yes you're teaching, things but a lot of what coaches
do in the major. Leagues it's it's game planning, stuff

(56:18):
and it's that maintenance type stuff on there with my.
Dog you, know.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
They're they're Not.

Speaker 18 (56:26):
Yeah he's he hears.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Talking about hitting and he's ready to. Go you, know
it's not they're not building guys swings from the ground.
Up you know. That that's at a ball in college
and high. School they're they're talking about getting ready to
put together a game plan against a certain a certain starting,
pitcher or they're digging into video with an established guy, saying,
hey this is a video from you, know late last,

(56:50):
year and this looks a little bit different than What
i'm seeing right. Now it's it's very minor. Things it's
very detailed and minute type of. Things SO i don't
think that you can look and look at a hitting
coach and, say, oh, well the team's struggling. Offensively it's
the hitting coaches, like, really, like what what are they
doing differently this year with you, know Jord on that

(57:11):
they haven't done in the last four or five. Years you,
know some of it you just look at the players and, say, hey,
eventually you guys are gonna have to do what's your
hair to do and what we know you can do
otherwise we're not going. Anywhere but you, know, what is
a new hitting coach going to come in and, tell you,
Know Christian walker that they're that they don't already know about.
Him SO i think the hitting coaches are doing are doing.

(57:33):
Fine it's not that It's you've got guys who are
supposed to, hit you, know, second, third, fourth, fifth in
the middle of your lineup not doing. It you, know,
nobody nobody is going to have a productive offense when
the middle of their order is not really getting it.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Done, yeah it feels like to, me if something were to,
happen it would be one of those situations where somebody's
got to be the fall guy and then maybe just
getting a different voice in the different voices in the.
Clubhouse do you think there's value in that or do
you think that would just be a rash decision if
the organization did something like.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
THAT i. DON'T i think THE i think the firing
of coaches and even managers in the middle of the
season is just because it's something that you can, do
because you can't fire, players you. KNOW i, mean it's
it's almost always struggling teams and the players are, struggling
and what are we going to? Do we got to
shake it. Up these guys know what needs to be.
Done it's an experienced. Team they've got veteran. Leadership you.

(58:25):
Know they don't Need no nobody needs to send a
message to Jose L, tuove nobody needs to send a
message To Jordan. Alvarez they know what they needed from,
them they know how to do. It it's just a
matter of time before it. Happens so no THAT i
think that would just be those those types of moves
are more or less useless in my.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Book all, right there we, Go. Love that's why we
bring you on, Here brian for the hard hitting. Stuff
plus it's treat time, too SO i mean we're gonna
let you get to your, Dog, brian go for you
guys going for a walk or what's going?

Speaker 2 (58:55):
On, no we already did. That he's just barking at.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Everything, Guy so you got security system, too like. Ours
anything that moves past there you. Go what's his? Name Van?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Van he's, new he's a new.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Guy, yep all, right Send van our. Regards give us
a couple extra pets just for, Us Brian thanks for
the time. Man we'll talk to you down the. Road
there we. Go Brian bogus seven good stuff with him as,
always love his perspective on hitting AND i hope his
fans will take to heart that that hitting coach stuff
that we just got to you. There and PLUS i, mean,
look what's better than talking baseball on? DOGS i mean

(59:30):
we got both of. Those we checked all the. Boxes,
yes we got Absolutely. Dan appreciate you hanging out. Man welcome.
Buddy thank you on your drive home if you, will
if you need to call in with a shut your
bumb ass, up let us. Go DOY i might Call,
van somebody, might somebody might cut. You, Yeah he's, like
shut your bum ass. Up i'm on an. Interview god's coming.
Up ain't nobody got time for? That Slash shut your

(59:51):
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Folks and FOR Us, catholics, MAN i, mean this is
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Everything how would you Compare dan A Pietro Perilant he's

(01:00:59):
one of the favorites on the board right, now to
more of an underdog Like Mateo. ZOOPIE i don't. KNOW
i mean they all they all wear the red red
capes and then you, know throw on. EVERYTHING i, Mean
i'm probably speaking like a. Heretic is this is this
a must win game for Mateo? ZOOPIE i THINK i
feel good about his. CHANCES i don't think that he's

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phone number here On Sports talk seven ninety seven one
three two one two five seven. Ninety all, right we
were talking some with Uh Brian boge seven in the last,
segment and, yeah, LOOK i know it's like the fans
first thing that they, Want, hey we aren't hitting. Fire
the hitting, coaches, well these guys have been here since
two thousand, NINETEEN i think maybe even since seventeen for

(01:02:03):
one of. Them they've both been on the staff since.
Nineteen you had one of the best offenses in baseball
in that. Time and you Lose Alex, bregman you Lose Kyle,
tucker And Christian walker is. Struggling As Brian bogaceevic, said
it's not like they're just going to coach them up
and teach them how to. Hit same thing for For
Jordan alvarez and Jose L. Tuve all those guys are
hitting well below the way they do in the. Careers,

(01:02:25):
now young guys that you want to see improvement, from
Like Jake myers And Jeremy pange know you're getting. That
so just everybody relaxed with the what the hitting coaches
talking you? Want Maybe i'll bring that up coming up
in the next segment when we. Do ain't no body
got time for. That slash shut, yo bum ass. Up
seven one three two one two five seven ninety is
the phone number if you want to get. In seven

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to one three two one two five seven. Ninety robert
In webster holding along. Us what's? Up Robert.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
Bella saw something come across the Old instagram seed two days.
Ago just wanted to make y'all. Aware i'm sure you already.
Are so this IS mlb, official way too. EARLY mvp Ranking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Oh, no oh.

Speaker 26 (01:03:13):
No number three on the, LIST.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Mvp RANKINGS, Nl Kyle tucker number.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Four just?

Speaker 25 (01:03:25):
Serious you, know nightmares.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Situation how are we supposed to feel if both of
those guys WIN?

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Mvp imagine this offense With Kyle tucker And Alex. Bregman
what a world that would have?

Speaker 26 (01:03:40):
Been robert, right would have been pretty cool to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
See now they'd be getting one seventy nine for what
just because they'd be put on an astro's. Uniform, yeah
it Hurts robert for. Sure, no they're both not gonna WIN. Mvp,
please it can't. Happen it's gonna Be Aaron. Judge it's
gonna Be Aaron judge AND O tawi OR i don't,
Know Elie Dela cruz or some. There, Now Kyle tucker to,
me probably has a more of a legit. Shot Alex

(01:04:05):
bregman's got a cool off at some. Point he just.
DOES i feel way more confident saying that than that
Of Kyle. Tucker.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
YEAH i hope you're, right but, YEAH i just wanted
to share that because that, okay all.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Right do you want to punch me in the stomach?
Too while you Hear? Robert, No i'm, good all, Right
thank you appreciate? It all, right thanks a, Lot robert appreciate.

Speaker 27 (01:04:27):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Yeah, Look Kyle tucker And Alex bregman are tearing it.
Up it is what it. Is Jim, crane if he
wanted to open up the checkbook in a huge, Way
Alex bregman could still be here And Kyle. Tucker you
did not have to trade away he was still under team.
Control they wanted to go all in for the twenty
twenty five, season they could have had both of these

(01:04:49):
guys back and try to probably open that window for
as long as. Possible SO i understand, though What Jim
crane is. Doing who has not been, cheap but he
also has it hasn't spent lavishly like The, Mets, yankees
And dodgers. Have and those, teams by the WAY i just,
mentioned are In New york And Los, angeles and especially

(01:05:10):
in the case of The, dodgers they have that huge
deal with their local broadcast network where they make a
ton of, money so they get to spend a ton of.
Money and, oh by the, way they've got like a
billion dollars in deferred, money which should be a loophole
that should be closed By Major League. Baseball SO i
don't fault not wanting to Sign Alex bregman to a

(01:05:31):
huge long term. Deal those don't normally pay. Off right,
Now Alex bregman is having like the Hottest april In
may basically of his entire, career so it's some bad luck.
There But Kyle tucker is on track of where he
was kind of showing when he was healthy last. Year
this is not at all, shocking and he's the ONE
i expect of the two of them to keep this

(01:05:51):
up the. Most and that was one of the storylines
that we talked about in this offseason is where do
The astros want to? Go how much do they want
to continue to just keep this one window open or
kind of close it a little bit to try to
keep it and keep things fresh long. Term because they
did that With Kyle tucker. Trade i'm sure The Chicago

(01:06:13):
cubs have no qualms about the deal that they made
right now because of What tucker is producing and for
them to try to be competitive in The National league
and win A World. Series but on its, face you've
got multiple years of control From estak. Paratus you've Got Cam,
smith who is struggling right now at the back end
of your, lineup but you're hoping is going to be a,

(01:06:34):
good plus major league. Player And Hayden, weisnetski who although
the last time he went out he wasn't great and
The vilos have been, down he overall has been a
plus for The. Astros so you're getting three starters basically
for the price of One Kyle, tucker who's doing, great
but you also have all of those guys under team
control for several more. Years so it was still a

(01:06:56):
good deal for The. Astros With Kyle, TUCKER i understand
stay in that and in different. Situation With Alex, bregman
he's a free. Agent he's thirty thirty one years. Old
they didn't want to sign him to a, long, six,
seven eight year deal to huge. Money they made the
offer that they. Did he got a bigger offer from
The Detroit. Tigers Red sox swooped, in which would seem

(01:07:19):
like a crazy, deal paying him forty million dollars with opt,
Outs but right now it's paying, off at least for
The Red. Sox they're not, winning they're around five, hundred
but they'd probably be worse If Alex bregman wasn't doing
what he's. Doing and they're at least in second place
in The Al, eas which is turning out to be
weaker than everybody thought. Preseason The Baltimore orioles are terrible

(01:07:42):
right now they are thirteen and twenty. Two what is
going on over? There but, yeah two different, deals one off,
season a new era for The Houston, astros and right
now those guys are. Thriving there's no way around. It
they are top Five Major League baseball or An American
league And National league, RESPECTIVELY mvp. CANDIDATES i don't think

(01:08:06):
they're gonna, win but the fact that they're even on
those lists tells you that there they are currently two
of the best players in baseball and two players that
we would love to have here in A Houston astros.
UNIFORM i understand It's Jim crane's. Money he can spend
it however he. LIKES i would have liked them both
to be here because it ain't my. Money but long,
TERM i think you're still gonna be a good spot

(01:08:27):
in a good, spot especially with what you got back
From Kyle. Tucker seven one, three two one two five
seven ninety is the phone number coming up. Next it
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Speaker 20 (01:09:05):
Ross cabody again tampada, here capid here, Here let again tampad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
It oh, baby it is time for our favorite segment
of the. Week anything you want to get off your,
chest anybody that has been making you? Upset. Anybody let's
say somebody's at work and they're talking to. You you're
off and you don't want to hear what they have to,

(01:09:38):
say and you're, LIKE i got other things to. DO
i don't wanna be time to messing with you and
all your little. Problems you tell, them anybody got time for?

Speaker 20 (01:09:43):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Abody or if there's a certain pundent on some major
networks who make forty dollars a year or whatever it,
is and they're saying absolutely outrageous stuff and not paying
attention to what's going on in their, league and you
want to tell them Shut joebama up, man shit jobam
ass up. Man this is the segment to do. It

(01:10:06):
seven one three two one two five seven ninety is
the phone number seven one, three two one two five seven. Ninety,
YES i was saying that, Earlier. Jonathan we played the
Audio shack And chuck calling a must win game.

Speaker 19 (01:10:26):
For The.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Knicks if you're not paying, attention The knicks are up
to nothing on the. Series they won both games In.
Boston they just have to win two out of the
last five. Games they are calling it a must win
game ON tnt.

Speaker 24 (01:10:43):
Ounce for The.

Speaker 21 (01:10:43):
Knicks don't get. Comfortable so must win For. Boston but
it's also a must win For knicks if you want
to put serious pressure on the. Champs game three is
a must thirty to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Seventeen game three is a must win. Game you know.
What shack And chuck shut y obamass, up shut jo
bum ass.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Man, also please don't hurt. Me you can crush me
like a. Grape BUT i, mean come, on, man that
actually sounded really. Idiotic i'm not gonna. LIE i, mean
so you CAN i win you over to my, Side,
Jonathan are you still gonna use must win. Games i'm
not gonna. Lie, Yeah i'm not taking. It matt always

(01:11:22):
Says i'm taking it too, literally AND i get, that but,
MAN i mean that's WHAT i try to. Do it's
too much gray. Area they need a different word for,
it exactly. Exactly the word is just used way too.
Much you say it's an important, game it's, uh it's
a crucial. Game they are saying a must win game

(01:11:42):
is just way too Much shack And, Chuck i've had.
Enough shut your bump ass. Up also mentioned this. Earlier
we talked about it With Brian bogasavik and and quite,
Frankly i'm sick of some of you. People every time
we talk about the astros and struggling and hitting co,
coaches that's what comes. Up hitting. Coach you, KNOW i got.

(01:12:03):
Far What's Troye snicker? Doing bro is lost out there hitting?
Coaches As Brian begusvik so beautifully laid, Out they're not
building up guys. Swings they're they're helping with. Approach they're
helping with how guys are going to be pitched and
how to combat against how they're going to be. Pitched
jose al tuove these hitting coaches have been there since twenty.
Nineteen he's looked pretty. Good Jordan alvarez has looked like a.
Monster both those guys are. Underperforming you're gonna blame that

(01:12:26):
on the hitting. Coaches Christian walker can't hit a lick right.
Now Janer, diaz under the tutelage of these hitting, coaches
has set the world on, fire but he's not doing
so this. Year Jake myers is hitting two ninety. Seven nobody,
says good job hitting. Coaches Jeremy pang has had five home,
runs he's leading, Off he's on like a ten out
of eleven game hit. Streak nobody, says, all great job hitting.

(01:12:47):
Coaches so if you are fire the hitting coach, guy
you gotta relax and you gotta shut you. Out bumb ass, up,
shit your bum ass.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Man oh that feels. Good go, great weight off from your.
Chest you got, Anything? Jonathan you know.

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YOU i appreciate, You, Tony and it, hurts, right doesn't
hurt us here In houston to talk bad about Hose
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and all the love we have for, him and how
great of a human being he. Is but, man when
he gets on those, BASES i want to say he
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struggling at the, plate he gets. Aggressive he starts swinging
at everything when he wants to go make errors on
the base. Pass sometimes he steals home and it looks.
Great he gets. Aggressive it's a bang bang play where
like al josel Two heart of A champion when he
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Scott all?

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Right, ROSS i wasn't gonna call, in BUT I i
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Coaches.

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Guys you, look you look. Around So Alex fregman all
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Nineteen you talk about how he cools Off, Scott but go, ahead.

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TALK i think you should, Too BUT i mean we
mean until he, DOES i mean we have to give
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Some of the fewest pitches for any team in the whole.

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League the approach has been. Terrible, NOBODY i mean They
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have already fired their hitting. Coach and is it gonna
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Legal?

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THEN i don't.

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Know but sometimes the voices get fail in a coaching.
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People who say you fire the hitting, coaches keep.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Talking just tell me to shut my bumb ass. UP
i appreciate. That, Look i'll bring up the stats BECAUSE
i did it. Earlier since since these guys have been,
here The astros have been among the best hitters in.
Baseball And I'm i'm consistent with. This when when The

(01:17:29):
astros win nine out of, TEN i think it's the.
Players when The astros are going to win in two
out of, TEN i think it's the. Players managers can
help a little bit the hitting, coaches And i'm not
saying that the job doesn't. Matter but you have, capable
smart hitting coaches who have been here for one of
the best offenses in baseball over the last ten. Years
you got to give them the credit if You if

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they score nine runs like they did, yesterday not a
single PERSON i will search the. Web not a single.
Person i'm gonna bet you Gave, Troce nick Or Alex
sintron any credit for The astros scoring nine runs. Yesterday
and while also they did score a couple of those
because The brewers were out there throwing pass balls and
not playing good defense and some errors were, committed but

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you get my. Drift when they score a bunch of,
runs nobody says a. Word when they're not scoring, runs
and guys who are established major league hitters are not coming,
through and it's all on the hitting. Coaches we talked
about With Brian. Bogussevic actually we might have to replay
a little, bit especially that part of that conversation a
little bit later here on the. Program but, fine anybody

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two one two five seven ninety is the phone? Number
seven three two one two five is seven. NINETY i
was talking about this earlier With Dan. Matthews as far
As lance mcculler's, JUNIOR i understand he has suffered a
lot of, injuries but we do have to remember that
this is the same injury from twenty twenty one that

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he tried to rehab in twenty twenty. Two he got
it surgically, repaired then it was a fifteen month. Recovery
he suffered a, setback and now he's. Back so it's
been one, injury and of course he's Had Tommy john
and he's had some, issues but he has gone through
all of his. Rehab he started throwing, catch then he
started throwing live, bps then he started his. Rehab now

(01:25:39):
he is literally pitched on a major league. Mound so
we can think about him and possibly getting, reinjured but
we don't have to mention it in every single, Tweet
like seventy five percent of, you he's just gonna get hurt. Again,
oh who cares The win's this comfort? Coming oh, well
here here it, Comes here Comes Tommy John, Shut, joe

(01:26:01):
bumb ass up, Shit jo bum ass Up. Man lance
mccullar's junior has poured his heart and soul in for this.
City he's poured his heart and soul into this. Rehab
he wants to be out there contributing as much as.
ANYBODY i wish him all the success in the. World
and by the, way this team needs some good starting,
pitching especially when they're gonna go to a six man
rotation very very. Soon So i'll like you one. More Shut,

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Okay? Sure OH i see? Yeah you know what we
didn't Have like A i Told, matt we need to do.
This we need to a segment where we like say
good things encourage, people. Right isn't that a show like
people do like the good. News it's good things are,
happening rather than like the world is collapsing and there's
murders and wars and everything, Everywhere like we need to
have what do we call? THAT i got time for,

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that flow time With. MATT i don't, know flow time With,
matt all, right got time for. That, Hey SO i
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the opposite to shut, you obam mass? Up keep? Talking
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James, yeah The Ushun roughnecks have won three games in a.
Row matt said earlier this week that they want a
very good. Team they are a good. Team shut the
bomb mass. Up they want three games in a row
and they're gonna play This. Sunday you need to check them.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Out, Yeah, Matt Houston roughnecks for. Life i'm gonna be.
HONEST i haven't been paying attention to The Houston. Roughnecks
let me pull up their old. Schedule they've won three
games in a. ROW i thought they started off losing
a bunch of. Games these websites are. TERRIBLE i. Don't

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they've only went two in a. Row, james Shut jobo mass.
Up you said they want the, man all, right congratulations
to H they play The Birmingham stallions In Prospective. Stadium
that will Be may. Eleventh that's this weekend coming up
at eleven. Am so, yeah you know what That's DOUBLE a,
Right Houston. Roughnecks, no it's. Football oh as THE. Ufla Oh,

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jonathan so, young so much to? Learn, no the the.
Years are you thinking about The Space? Cowboys? Yeah, yeah
those Are TRIPLE a Sugar Land Space cowboys that.

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Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Scooters, see, folks Young jonathan is twenty. Two give him
grace and uh and and and don't make fun of
the young. Man he just he's not. Dumb he's just.
Ignorant he just doesn't know that sounds. Bad he just doesn't.
Know doble that. Too uh.

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Yeah the The.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
DOUBLE a team is The Corpus Christy. Hooks they have
MULTIPLE a. TEAMS i don't, know it's The Faetteville woodpeckers
and they still have The ashville The Greenville astros or.
SOMETHING i can't keep. Track but, anyways The DOUBLE a
team is The Corpus christy. HOOKS i still want to
get out To Waburger, field by the, Way and The
TRIPLE a team is the Sugar Land they rebranded a
couple of years ago as The Space. Cowboys they were The,

(01:29:11):
skeeters which is a horrible. Name oh. Yeah they started
in The Atlanta Independent Atlanta league as The. Skeeters then
they became The Astros TRIPLE a. Affiliate previously it was
what like The Fresno. Grizzlies it was The Oklahoma City,
RedHawks it was The Round Rock. Express but, yeah now
it is the Sugar Land Space. Cowboys all, right that's

(01:29:33):
it For ain't nobody get time for? That slash shut,
yo bump ass. Up appreciate you guys coming in with.
THAT i did have a CALLER i wanted to bring
up this tweet THAT i brought up. Previously NOW i
understand The astros hitting isn't where you want it to,
be but to solely say this is the hitting coaches
and that's, THAT i just think that's patently false for
a guys who have been here on this hitting coaching,

(01:29:54):
staff where this team has been one of the best
offenses in baseball over the last seven. YEARS i just
call it hanging. Fruit, NOW i will also say THAT
i don't. Know i'm not in the. Clubhouse i'm not
in those hitters. Meetings i'm not looking at scouting reports
and on the iPad with the. Guys it's up to the.
Players it's up to The josel Two, vas The Jeremy,
pinias the Ord On, alvarez The whoever's of the world
to say and speak up if they think the hitting

(01:30:16):
coaches aren't giving them what they. Want SO i will,
say you, know if we find out in the next
couple of Weeks, Boom Troy snicker And Alexton trying have
been relieve to their, duties they're going with something, ELSE
i wouldn't be. Shocked BUT i also will say to,
me especially in, baseball it is on the. Hitters and
if you look at the track record of what's been happening,
here this team has been really good with these. Guys so,

(01:30:38):
YEAH i tweeted This april. Third funny, enough we're talking
about a month ago and still things haven't turned around
for the. Hitters SO i understand why people are. Frustrated
over the last. Season three, Seasons astros are fourth in team,
ops third in weighted runs created which is a METRIC
i like. That, basically it's very. Predictive teams with the
best weighted runs created early year to, year it's pretty

(01:31:01):
predictive are going to have the most runs. Scored so
they've been fourth and third in those metrics since twenty,
nineteen since Both snicker And sinntron have been together on
the staff as hitting, coaches they are third in ops
and second in weighted runs, created third and. Second now

(01:31:24):
those numbers might be changing a little bit since it's
been another bad. Month and by the, way this is
guys with Like George springer, Departing Carlos, Correa Michael, brantley
Now Alex bregman And Kyle tucker have. Departed and, oh
by the, way the guys that you brought in to
shore up that offense and replace, Them Cam, smith the young,
phenom isn't hitting well And Christian walker is not hitting
like he has the last couple of. Years so, yeah

(01:31:47):
the offensive numbers are not looking. Good but look at
what's been happening With Jeremy, Pana he's looking really. Good
look what's happening With Jake. Myers he Is Zach, dezenzo
a young. Player he's been hitting. Well so it's kind
of funny to me that we don't give the hitting
coaches any of the credit when guys are doing. Well
when guy when they're scoring, runs when they score nine,

(01:32:09):
yesterday and let's see how many of those were? Unearned
two of, Them so they score seven runs, yesterday crickets
crickets on the hitting, coaches because it's the hitters you're.
On alvarez knows how to. Hit he's had a hurt
hand he's been dealing with all season. Long not, all excuse,
me all season, long but he's been dealing with an
undetermined amount of. Time it's not something they just cropped

(01:32:30):
up out of. Nowhere he's been dealing with a hurt.
Hand he is not hitting to the level he has
in the last couple of, years when he's the best
hitters on the hitter on the, planet and while the
offense is. Suffering jose Al tuve is thirty five years.
Old right, now he had his Worst he had his
worst ops in like since twenty, fifteen last year and this. Year,
unfortunately right now it's. Worse you can't you, know you're

(01:32:52):
not going to slow down father. Time the hitting, coaches
they're not. Magicians Christian walker has been a great, hitter
he's pressing now and he's. Underperforming Janar diaz is, underperforming
and when he has, thrived it's been under the tutelage
of this hitting coaching. Staff so AGAIN i just say
it is little hanging. Fruit does that mean That Troy

(01:33:14):
snicker And Alex santron are infallible and their gods and they're? Untouchable?
No could they be? Replaced and do the astros need
another voice in the. Room Perhaps we talked With Brian
bogasvic earlier this. Hour he says in that in his
mind that that is just a bunch of bull, basically
in not so many. Words if you, disagree that's. OKAY
i can. Disagree I'M i get on this microphone for

(01:33:37):
four hours a. DAY i am wrong all the. Time
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as the show continues, along we would be joined By
Adam wexler for an hour coming up at one. O'clock
we also will Have brian McTaggart into the. Fold we'll
get him on for an interview coming up at one
o'clock as. Well thanks To Brian bogasvik And Dan matthews
for joining. Earlier you guys want to get. In this
is a solo hour for, me so you can do.

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So seven one three two one two five seven ninety
seven one three two one two five seven Ninety we've
got some astro stuff to get to as. WELL i
put a post out on my social media On instagram
at SPORTS. RV i did a little bit of diving
on Some Jalen green, stuff which is. Alarming we'll talk
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Noon thank, You, Ross, hey welcome, back. Guys my name
Is Johnathon. Allen they called me the jkble short and
just you, know obviously and the smooth.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
OPERATOR i believe they also call you smooth.

Speaker 17 (01:35:22):
Operator you, know smooth criminals were like to go smooth,
criminals you, know but the smooth.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Felons oh, fine. MISDEMETERS i just, kidding you, know stoplifting. Charges, Okay,
annie are you? Okay all? Right, anyways go, Ahead jonathan
going on to the local.

Speaker 17 (01:35:39):
Nine you, KNOW i have no. Refrustrated they end up
losing those two, games but took it away this yesterday.
NIGHT i guess after, AFTERNOON i apologize afternoon and take
away and, uh just happening Like pinging getting his three home.
Run you, know his Pots isa bats are popping off.

Speaker 28 (01:35:57):
Long set now the pitch and painda rockets went deep to,
left going back on it As collins on the warning
track looking up and that ball is.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Gone just did clear the.

Speaker 28 (01:36:09):
FENCE a three run home roun for Charity payna and
The astros lad it's six to. One painta's fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Of the season been a massive three run shot comes
with two out for The.

Speaker 32 (01:36:21):
Astros the biggest swing of this road.

Speaker 17 (01:36:25):
Trip, Yeah, ross it seems like they keep doing this
every other three games is coming like they had the
real big pop. Up everyoneant's talk about it and then
just you know this next teen.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Things, yeah have you seen that meme where it's Like
Tony soprano with his therapist and it's, like yesterday you
said it's, over today you say we're. Back what? Changed
it's basically that with The. ASTROS i, mean for, thirteen fourteen,
games whatever it, was they were alternating wins and. Losses
now it's like they're going on three game winning streaks
and three game losing streaks with the occasional wins and

(01:36:55):
losses in. Between their average right now eighteen and. Eighteen
the good thing is Your MICA's, On, Jonathan it's. Okay
the good thing is that The astros aren't going on
prolonged six to seven game losing, streak so you can

(01:37:16):
look at the glass at half empty or the glass
half full when it comes to a five hundred team
like they. Are the pitching has been relatively, good the
hitting is getting, better but it's in small. INCREMENTS i,
mean they were like twenty nine thirtieth in t ops
earlier parts of the. Season now they are up to.
Twentieth let's getting a little bit. Better Jeremy paine is

(01:37:36):
hitting well at the top of the. Lineup at least
that's going for. You where would you be without? Him
and the production Of Jake myers certainly nice to get
the bats going at least to a certain extent for The.
Stros and they have the day off. Today they will
be in action this weekend against The Cincinnati. Reds Hunt A,
Brown lance, mccullors Junior Ronel blanco scheduled to throw this

(01:37:57):
weekend In. Houston Jonathan, allen what else is going?

Speaker 17 (01:38:01):
On let's move it, on you, know let's move it
on to The rockets that just past and about the
talk about Raphob, stone about you, know the person that
flopped all through the, Playoffs Jalen, green and what's going
on with him in the future he has here At Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Rockets that's a really floed.

Speaker 19 (01:38:19):
Question like we have there's there's there's there's great data
that we have and we. Use but AND i can
one of my email would know one of my favorite,
things AND i tell them when when when we have
new coaches joined my one of my favorite things to
tell them IS i can.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
Make data say WHATEVER i wanted to. Say and so you,
KNOW i.

Speaker 19 (01:38:38):
Think you, know we we heavily use, it but but
we're very careful to try and really parse it. Out
AND i would say THAT i would say that that
that that some of our very best lineups include him
and so uh so so that that that piece by,
ITSELF i just think that's just, yeah let's just that's
just not.

Speaker 17 (01:38:56):
Correct he's sounds a little bit like me center one
of the.

Speaker 6 (01:38:58):
Mic.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Yeah so he was asked a question By Jackson gallon
Of Lockedown rockets that a lot of the lineup data
says that The rockets are better With Jalen green off
the floor then on the. FLOOR i will agree that
sometimes you can spend data anyway that you, want BUT
i also will say there is some data that is.
ALARMING I LIKE i, SAID i put some of it

(01:39:22):
on my social media at SPORTS rv On twitter And.
Instagram if you want to check it. Out we'll be
talking about it coming up here this. Hour but the
fact of the matter Is Jalen green. UNDERPERFORMED i wish
we didn't have to talk about, this as you wish
we didn't say, this AS i continue to go back
yes to SAY i Wanted Jalen green number. Two, Overall
i've been defending this pick for four years, now and

(01:39:44):
there's been times where it's looked great and we've seen
the flashes and it's highlight. Reel is as good as,
Anybody but there's no way to sugarcoat him not performing
in six out of seven games in a first round playoff.
Series it was his first playoff basketball. Taste but it
will also was For Alprin, shangoun who led the team in, points,
rebounds assistant. Steals it's also was for A Men, thompson

(01:40:05):
who did struggle at points in the series but really
ramped it up and turned it on and he was
their best player In game. Seven and he's younger than
An Jalen.

Speaker 17 (01:40:14):
Green and then but it makes, you it makes you,
question are you is our arcis gonna go for the
best regular season team and keep doing this or we're
going to pick the people that play and perform this
playoffs and we'll move on with that.

Speaker 14 (01:40:26):
Core.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Yeah that that that is the question that The rockets
are going to have to answer this offseason is who
are we going to continue to go? With and, look
If Jalen green is leading the team in scoring and
you win fifty two, games that he's making thirty six
million dollars a, year it's not the worst. Deal it's
not the worst contract in. Basketball it's not that big
of a. Deal it's just if you want him to
step up and be that, guy which we all do
AND i desperately, WANT i just don't know that it's

(01:40:48):
going to. HAPPEN i think he is going to have
playoff flashes where he had like he had thirty eight
points In game. Two we cannot forget that he came
up huge in those, moments but he also shied away
a number of times and did not, perform especially with
the team having their backs against the, wall getting down
three to one in the series and three straight. Games
he was not. Good so we'll see what happens with the.

(01:41:11):
Team we have a little bit more of a nuanced
discussion in the next, Segment but in the, meantime what
else do we Have on the? News at?

Speaker 17 (01:41:18):
Noon Jonathan allen continue along with THE nba and how
this unpredictable playoff has been going, on and The knicks
Take game two at home with The celtics just by
one point with what's his name? AGAIN i can't say, no, no,
No Mikyle bridges on The Kale, Bridges Mikal bridge is
going absolutely. INSANE i watched the highlights this. MORNING i
got an eclipse.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Of the, game and.

Speaker 17 (01:41:41):
It's looking kind of scary over there in The Cetis.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Magulus, well some are calling it a must win game
for The. Celtics In game, three It's Charles barkley and
And shaquillo and they say is a must win. Game, yeah, well,
uh this is of course WHEN i get my back
against the. Wall don't ask me if it's a must
win game for The, celtics because by my definition it is.
Not but it would be nice they. Won but, anyways
we'll see what happens In game three on the. Road but,

(01:42:05):
yeah The knicks getting down big in both of those,
games coming back and. WINNING i know a lot of you.
People it falls in deaf ears In. Houston we look
at the. Ratings it's not a GREAT nba basketball, town
but interesting series. Abound this to me is the sweet
spot of THE nba. Playoffs where you have basically the
elite eight of THE nba good basketball on every single.

(01:42:26):
Night last night was good Tonight warriors And. Timberwolves as
The timberwolves have their backs against the. Wall it is
an almost win game for The Minnesota timberwolves as. Well
it's the. Playoffs every game is extremely, important must win,
game whatever you want to call, it we shall. See
but good playoff action has been going on with those,
games ALTHOUGH i Guess Thunder nuggets was not good playoff,

(01:42:47):
action as The thunder just absolutely molly wopped The nuggets
eighty seven points in the first, half a playoff record
for The Oklahoma City thunder in the first half of that.
Game that's pretty. Good though The rockets were scoring eighty
seven points in a.

Speaker 17 (01:43:03):
Game you got the defensive team, though defense team.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
And defensive, team, well they're just not as good as It's,
thunder and that we can take solace in. THAT i
guess Before rockets fans, like even if they, won they
ain't beat Me Oklahoma City. Thunder and while they couldn't
even get past The. Warriors all, right anything? Else what
else is on the news at? Noon Jonathan for those.

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Who don't know national news right? Now White smoke is
up for what's what athletic and you, know really into.
Guys guys right? Now watch the live stream, anyway just
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It, no, no stay here On Sports talk seven.

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(01:44:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
Day.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
So Matt thomas will be back here. Tomorrow and there's
been a lot of shows where he's been missing time
or out on the, road but The rocket season is,
over so he'll be here most every day AND i
am happy to hear. That i'll be with you every
day as. Well here On The Matt Thomas show With.
Ross so last, segment we were talking a little bit
About Jalen green and his. Performance we played some of

(01:46:21):
the audio From. Rafelstone i'm gonna play it. Again, so
AS i, said there was this kind of spreadsheet THAT
i had been working on THAT i was thinking about
really Around.

Speaker 11 (01:46:32):
Game.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
THREE i think after that bad, PERFORMANCE i was, like,
man another single digit playoff performance From Jalen green with
the thirty eight point sandwich in. Between this is just
an extremely expected outcome for what we've seen from him
in his. Career where he's, up he's, down but a

(01:46:53):
lot of times you add it all, up the shooting
percentages haven't been good. Enough and to where he got
his his three point percentage of thirty five, percent that's,
good but that's still below league. Average SO i started
to think About Jalen green and where he, was and
LIKE i, SAID i did a little bit of diving
with some some analytics AND i made a video about,

(01:47:14):
it and we'll get to that in a. Second but,
AGAIN i wanted to play you guys some of the
audio we heard from Coach udoka And raphelstone On Jalen
green and talk about WHERE i think he. Is but
here's What imaadoka had to say About Jalen green in
his performance in that first round.

Speaker 29 (01:47:27):
Series there are opportunities that you still will have with,
that and the more stops we can, get the more
we can play in transition to avoid those is good
for him and good for. Us but you, know he
went through some growing, pains no. DOUBT i think physically
getting stronger to absorb contact on some of his drives
when he has the, advantage or finishing at the rim
when he does get the driving, lane all those. Things

(01:47:49):
there are things we talked about with him going into
the offseason and able to use them off ball a
little bit. More and you got to get a little
bit stronger as far as, that cause they took him
out of some of those actions where they couldn't, trap
and so is for him to grow obviously somewhere is
for us to use them a little bit. Better but
when he does face, those we have enough talent, behind
especially a really good passing big Leg alpi that should

(01:48:10):
punish that every.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Night, yeah they got to figure things out when it
comes to the. TRAP i, Mean Steph curry was getting
trapped a, ton and that led to easy buckets For Gary.
Payton in some points that leaders led to easy buckets
for other, guys and sometimes it led easy buckets For
Steph curry getting. Trapped he was going around the, traps
he was splitting, traps and you can still get to
the basket just because you get double. Teamed, now when
it comes and the team is defending, properly, certainly it

(01:48:33):
is very, difficult especially with good defenders like The Golden
State warriors, have but it is not a death. Knell.
Now they teams didn't just say all, right we're gonna
double Team Michael jordan and then that's. It we're gonna
win every. Game, no things turned out pretty well for,
him and he also look at his scoring. Numbers they
turned out pretty well as. Well although it was a
little bit of a different error because they had the
illegal defense, rules which nobody ever brings, up by the,

(01:48:54):
way when they bring up hand checking for and how
that helps guys, today nobody brings up that you couldn't
double team and zone up and pack the paint like
you can. Now you couldn't have done that Against Michael.
Jordan But i'd. Digress that's a different discussion for a different.
Time but the bottom line Is Anthony edwards gets double
teamed and Blitz Dame Lillard joanniston To. Coompo James harden

(01:49:16):
of course famously had it happen where he was getting
picked up half court and getting double. Teamed so it's
not like he's the first guy in the history of
THE nba to be double team and, yeah he's going
up against he's going up against a good defense and
they're keying in on. Him, yeah that's the. Playoffs that's
how it's supposed to. Be you're the team's leading. Scorer
you cannot, just unfortunately be this type of disappearing. Act

(01:49:38):
so that of course begs the question what happens with this.
Offseason the man who will make that decision is The
rockets general manager Rafel. Stone SO i just want to
play this again and kind of set it. Up he's
asked a question By Jackson gallon Of Lockdown rockets about the,
data where he, Says i'm basically on off the. Floor
when he's on the, floor the team does a certain,
way the team performed a certain. Way when he's off the,

(01:49:59):
floor team performs better according to certain. Metrics Raphel stone,
says you can make the data say whatever you. Want
so he was pretty, dismissive AND i will, say this
is what Rafel stone is gonna. Say he's got to.
Say he's not gonna go out there and, say, yeah,
man that data is. CONCERNING i think we got a
dud In Jalen. Green he's not going to be what we.
Thought he's not gonna say. That he's not gonna come

(01:50:19):
out to that say in the. PUBLIC i don't even think.
HE i don't believe he thinks that. Either but he's
going to defend his. Guy and he is not incorrect
in saying you can shape and form data in different.
Ways but here's his response to that. Question that's a
really flawed.

Speaker 19 (01:50:36):
Question like we, have there's there's there's there's great data
that we have and we. Use but AND i can
one of my you may would, know one of my
favorite things AND i tell him when when when we
have new coaches, joined one of my favorite things to
tell him IS.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
I can make data say WHATEVER i wanted to.

Speaker 19 (01:50:52):
Say and so you, KNOW i think you, know we
we heavily use, it but but we're very careful to
try and really parts it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
Out AND i would say THAT i would say that
that that that some of our very.

Speaker 19 (01:51:05):
Best lineups include, him and so so that that that
piece by, ITSELF i just think that's just, yeah that's
just not.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
Correct, okay that's just it's not not correct that the
data is what it. Is but by that, Metric Jalen
green is not. Good and, so AS i, MENTIONED i did.
This you can find it on My instagram at SPORTS
rv and on My twitter at SPORTS rv as well
if you'd like to. See so basically WHAT i did
AS i looked at players who are under thirty who

(01:51:36):
have made An ALL nba, first, second or third, team
and THEN i looked at some different metrics which we
will get to in a. SECOND i also put the
their years of their ages on, there and as far
as the first year The Jalen, green for, example he
only got one year out of high school and by the,
way it was a shortened PANDEMIC G League ignite. Season
he only played fifteen GAMES i believe in THE G.

(01:51:57):
League so he is lacking in development from that. Standpoint
so if you want to look it through a lens
kind of like what Rofel stone, says you can convince
yourself of whatever you. Want With Jalen. Green you can, say,
yeah he's just twenty, Three, yeah he just he missed
that year of. Development with the. Pandemic, yeah the first
two years it Was Steven silas and there wasn't a

(01:52:17):
whole lot of structure in the. OFFENSE i think he's gonna,
grow and if you want to believe, that you, Can't
i'm not gonna say you're. Crazy if he breaks out next,
YEAR i would be a bit, surprised but it wouldn't
be the most shocking thing in the. World players also
do break out in between their fourth and fifth. Years
there is data that shows. That BUT i compared him
in his in the first four years of his career

(01:52:38):
to other guys Like Devin, Booker Jalen, brunts And flukadanci
blows him out of the, Water so we can even
just go ahead and throw him. Out but guys Like John,
Morant deer And, Fox Trey, Young Bret, Not Bradley, Buial
bradley Bil is over. Thirty But Trey, Young Jason, tatum
those types of. Guys and so WHEN i bring up
that data of their first four years only unfortunately in

(01:53:01):
the statistics THAT i, did true shooting, percentage which that
looks at field, goal three point and free throw, percentage
and it's true for shooting percentage plus with one hundred
being league, average he's last among all those. Guys player
efficiency rating if you haven't heard of, that that was
invented By John. Hollinger it looks at basically all the
stats as, well and then they it spits out a. Number,

(01:53:22):
generally the player efficiency rating leaders in THE nba are
the best players on the. Planet for, example if you
look at all time player efficiency, rating, well the all
time leader Is nikola jokicch Then Michael, Jordan Lebron, james
that's top. Three Then Anthony davis is up, There shaquille,
O'Neil David, Robinson Wilt. Chamberlain but if you look at

(01:53:44):
Just i'm trying to pull up for just this, year,
yeah this, year the top this are the top players
in player efficiency. Rating tell me if this doesn't sound
like good, Players Nikoli, jokich Shake, Gilges Alexander joannisthan To,
Coompo Zion, Williamson Anthony, Davis, Okay Daniel, Gaffer dallas being up,
there maybe you want to dismiss player efficiency, Rating but
that was in a smaller sample, size, right how many

(01:54:05):
games did he? Played but, anyways so you look at
the top players of the, year, generally it is going
to be.

Speaker 27 (01:54:12):
The top.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Players and if you look at that by the first four,
years by year, four, unfortunately our Friend Jalen green is
the last among all those, players so not. Good not
where you want to be there as. Well and then
there's another advanced Stat it is called box plus. Minus

(01:54:35):
and for, example again the top players this year on
box plus, minus it's another advanced. Metric it estimates impact
on one hundred. Processions they're relative to a league average.
Player your top players in THE nba this year box plus,
Minus Nikola, Jokic Shai, Gilgess Alexander Giannisi Senza, Kumbo Luka,
Doncic victor Wimbin, Yama Stephen, Curry Tyrese, Halliburton Anthony, Lebron

(01:54:58):
James Anthony. Davis those are some of the best players in.
Basketball SO i like box plus. Minus Jalen green first
four years by year four dead last again on this
list of his. Contemporaries it's concerning now where he does
do well is wind. Shares, again that's another kind of

(01:55:20):
metric that looks at the best. Players and in, basketball,
again the top guys while they have if visa subots
is number three and wind shares this, year so maybe
it's not the greatest metric, ever But shake Gives Alexander, Nikola,
Jokiciannis Tyrese haliburt and those type of guys at the
top of this. List Jalen green does perform better, there
but still you compare him to his peers in their

(01:55:42):
first four years, only or at least young guard slash wing,
players it doesn't look. Good it is, concerning AND i
kind of have an opinion of what The rockets should
do With Jalen. Green but it's time for a quick.
Break here on The mat Thom show With, ROSS i
will talk about WHAT i think the offseason plan should

(01:56:04):
be For Jalen. Green you could talk about it as
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ninety of The phone number here on The Matt Thomas
show With, Ross we've been talking Some, Stros brian bogocevic on.
Earlier we Got brian mctagger coming up at one. O'clock
also been talking Some rockets as the offseason will. Continue
if you had not heard the news fred Van vliet

(01:56:44):
and The, rockets there was a five day deadline for
them to have to opt in to his. CONTRACT i
guess there was a way for them to mutually agree
to push it back thirty. Days so they did, that
and basically what we thought is going to happen what
was going to. HAPPEN i think is going to happen
to Where fred Van vliet will stay, here but not
at a one, year forty four point nine million dollar team.

(01:57:08):
Option they're probably gonna do a long term. Deal So
i've just been kind of throwing a number out, there three,
years ninety, million if it's somewhere around, there more or,
LESS i don't know where it's gonna. BE i think
the cap will be going up for THE. Nba the
revenues continue to go, Up So i'm not AN nba,
capologist But i'm gonna Guess fred Van vliet will be
here for the foreseeable future as the point guard of

(01:57:30):
This rockets, team And i'm on board with. It he
was huge in the. PLAYOFFS i think people criticize him
way too. Much he did have a bad shooting year
from three relative to his, career but he can bounce
back from. That he just look at the offense when
he is off the. Floor it's a lot, more a
lot less, organized AND i think it's a lot better
With fred Van vliet on on this team as as a, second,

(01:57:52):
third fourth, option not as the team's. Leader and of
course he gets paid like the team leader or he had,
been but as a guy who is a complimentary player
and a floor general and a true pure point guard
for the. SQUAD i Like Fred Van vliet on this.
Team veteran, leadership all that type of stuff in, tangibles
he brings it to the, floor championship, experience whatever cliches

(01:58:14):
you want to throw out. There fred Van vliet has.
That now To Jalen, green AS i said before the last,
SEGMENT i was going to give my. OPINION a lot
of people want him traded and some people think he's
still going to develop into a. STAR i think right,
now if you had to bet first of, ALL i.
DON'T i don't Want Jalen green traded. Away depending on the.
Package of, course if it's going to help you Get
Kevin durant Or yiannis or, whatever we can come to

(01:58:36):
that bridge when we cross. It BUT i don't think
THE i don't think The. ASTROS i don't think The
rockets are going to go big game hunting in this
offseason like. That SO i Think Jalen green will stay,
here And i'm on board with. THAT nba players do
not peak at the age of twenty. Three. Now i'm

(01:58:56):
not one of Those Jalen green stands who convinces themselves
that this guy's going to be a Perennial All. STAR
i don't think. THAT i think four years in we
have a sample size to say he is not going
to be that type of. Player BUT i think he
can be a second third type of option to wear
on a given night like he. Did you, know if

(01:59:18):
you change the scope of the lens Of Jalen green
and what he provided in that playoff, series if you
just change your expectation, level it wasn't that. Bad oh.
WOW i think IF i say a role player scored
around double digits three, times went off for thirty eight
the rest of the, time didn't do much to be, like,
okay well you know he was all, right played good.

(01:59:39):
Defense oh, okay didn't turn the ball over a. Lot, yeah,
sure you would, say, yeah that makes. Sense IF i,
said you're one of your guys that was your leading
scorer all season, long did, that then, yeah that's when
the alarm bells start. Ringing but if you change your,
expectation if you think of Alprinching gun maybe as a
one as the as the alpha dog offensive for this,

(02:00:01):
squad and you run things more through. Him, also if
you think Of Amen thompson as somebody who can be
your secondary, scorer we'll see what happens as far as
a lottery pick and other guys on this squad Can
Jabarismith junior turn it up with the, Scoring he's not gonna.
Be but if you think Of Jalen green basically as
your second third option and he averages twenty one points
per game and shoots okay from the, floor basically around league.

(02:00:26):
Average WHEN i was talking about true shooting percentages, earlier
well this year he was like a what was he
a ninety? SEVEN i Think i'll go pull that. BACK
i know he's a ninety four, actually which is not.
Good but, anyways he has years where he's been closer
to league. Average if he's just a league average, guy
he can score you twenty. Points he can help especially

(02:00:48):
help you in an eighty two game, season because he
can go off against The wizards and that's. Fine he
drops you forty against The wizards and you win that.
Game that's in the win. Column if you just change
a level of expectations For Jalen green and say he's
not going to be a star player or a Perennial
All star, player then he's totally fine where he. Is,
yeah he's making thirty six million, dollars but in TODAY'S

(02:01:09):
nba that is not max max. Money super max money
is going to be like seventy million. Dollars so he's
making thirty six million next. Year if he gives you
twenty to twenty two points at league average, efficiency plays
good perimeter, defense it's not the worst contract in the.
World we, JUST i, think have to lower expectations For Jalen.
GREEN i don't think he's a horrible. PLAYER i don't

(02:01:29):
think you need to cut bait and he has lost
he is not a. Bust if you average in two
of your first four years twenty plus points per, game
you're not a. Bust but he's also not a. Star
which when you started tanking and you piled up top five,
picks you were hoping for stars slash. Superstars and first of,
all you had bad luck in that you never got

(02:01:49):
a number one overall pick despite having the worst record
in basketball three straight. Years and also you got bad
luck in that you, Know Javaris Smith junior went in
the year That Cheded holmgren And Paala benkaro, went and
both of guys are better than. Him Jalen green went
in a year Where Kid cunningham was the consensus number
one over, pick and that guy's better than. Him of,
course you could have Taken Evan. MOBLEY i understand why

(02:02:11):
they swung for the fences with the dynamic wing player
In Jalen, green but it hasn't worked out to that.
Standard so when you compare him to his young, peers
and when you compare him to guys even in his draft,
class he is certainly lagging. Behind but AS i, said
if you change your expectation level for, him it gets
a little bit easier of a pill to swallow for

(02:02:34):
what he's been twenty one points per, game thirty five
from three decent second third option when the playoffs come,
around and that's, okay there's value in. That i'm just
personally going to stop thinking Of Jalen green as a future.
Star that's WHERE i am on him right. Now COULD
i be proven? Wrong could things? Change, WELL i have

(02:02:55):
egg on my face and he's going to average twenty
five plus points per game next. Year it's, possible BUT
i don't think it's. Likely seven, one, three two, five
seven ninety is the phone. Number chris In kingwood is
next up here on the phone. Line what's, Up, Chris, yes, Sir.

Speaker 14 (02:03:13):
Well just watching the playoffs AND i mean that he
had that, knockout incredible hot game that he. Played talking
About Jalen, Green, Yes, however at times he seems timid
or maybe there's some. ANXIETY i really don't. Know you,
Know i'm not a you, know basketball, psychologist but it's

(02:03:38):
it's concerning to.

Speaker 18 (02:03:39):
ME i like.

Speaker 14 (02:03:41):
HIM i, MEAN i don't have a beef With Jalen, green.

Speaker 10 (02:03:44):
BUT i don't.

Speaker 14 (02:03:46):
Know it just seems like there might be some kind
of playoff anxiety playing into his head or. SOMETHING i
really don't.

Speaker 1 (02:03:53):
Know, YEAH i THINK i don't know if that was
part of, It chris or what it was just and
thank you for getting in on the. Call it was it.
Was it was concerning and it was. Disappointing and you,
know it's not this. Work by the, way we have
to realize we're talking about sports, here we're also talking
About Jayalen, green who is a human being who IF
i give you one hundred different human. Beings you, know

(02:04:14):
like they always, say you'd go to high, school then
you go to a four year college and you in your.
Career that's not how things go for. Everyone that's how
things can go for. ME i was out of major
college in a couple of. YEARS i went to a small,
program and Then i've been in this career for fifteen.
YEARS i did not take a traditional route to finding
my career, right And Jalen green may not take a

(02:04:34):
traditional route to growing into the player that he is
and that he can. Be and that's okay. Too it's just.
Basketball so WHEN i do say disappointment and, DISHEARTENING i
mean that in a basketball. Since BECAUSE i am A rockets,
FAN i root for The Houston. ROCKETS i wanted them to.
SUCCEED i Wanted Jalen green to do nothing but prove

(02:04:57):
everyone wrong and drop forty points In game. Seven but
it didn't happen and he didn't needt. Close so maybe
he is going to be rather than A Jason tatum
OR i don't, know A Trey, young A Devin, booker
one of those guys who is one of the best
players in. Basketball maybe he is gonna BE i, Mean

(02:05:20):
Bradley bill didn't make a couple Of All Star. Games
he did average thirty points per game in a, year
although he also led the league in shots attempted that
year they. Did maybe he's gonna be A Bradley bill
OR i, mean, Well Jamal murray's shooting percentages are well
ahead Of Jalen green's both three point and field goal percent.
Shooting But Jamal murray type player where he's, like oh my,

(02:05:43):
god that guy just went off for. Forty Jackal green
can go off for, forty but he can also just
be a no. Show, so LIKE i, said change your
way of thinking about, him WHICH i. Did by the
end of the. SERIES i Wasn't game seven. CAME i
wasn't like Man Jalen, green he's got to go off
for this team's got no. SHOT i was, Thinking Men
thompson's got to make paint. Shots Alprin Shing gun's got

(02:06:04):
to do good in his matchups Against Draymond. Green he
Need Jabarisman junior to knock down his open. Threes like
by the end of that, SERIES i was, Like, Eh
Jalen green's kind of, important but, UH i just don't
expect him to factor. In and you know, WHAT i
wasn't disappointed By Jalen green when he didn't show up
in the. Game you lower your, expectations you'll never be.

(02:06:24):
Disappointed this is the life lesson. Folks, okay maybe don't do.
That you can still keep your. Ambitions BUT i, KNOW i,
Know i'm just. Kidding but, if, yeah if you lower
your expectations For Jalen, green he won't disappoint. YOU i
say that as a, joke but you get my point
that if we start thinking about him not as a
number two overall pick hopeful franchise, Cornerstone he's not. Bad

(02:06:46):
he's got. Value he plays good, defense scores twenty one
points per, game and he is going to be the
focal point of the opposing defense that's going to allow
the guys to. Operate rockets could have won that series
Without Jalen. Green they could Have they could have won
it If Alprin shingun was a little bit more efficient
in the. PAINT i Mean thompson as. Well If shangoon
makes that game winner In game, Five.

Speaker 26 (02:07:08):
I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:07:09):
Sorry game, four, yeah game. Four If shangoon makes that
game if somebody scores a bucket In game, Four rockets
win this. Series With Jalen green being as much of
a as a dud as he has. Been players are
not done growing and getting better at age twenty, three
so he can get more, efficient he can get. BETTER

(02:07:30):
i think maybe it is trying to it is time
to cool our jets on possible superstardom or being a
Perennial All. STAR i think maybe he can make a
Stray All star team here or. THERE i Mentioned Bradley,
beal he made. One Zach levine is a guy we
can compare him. To he's made Two All star teams

(02:07:54):
and has just been a guy who's going to score
and well efficiently on bad, teams but on good. Teams
Jalen green has. Value SO i don't want him. TRADED
i don't want him. GONE i just want to change my.
Expectations seven one three two one two five seven. Ninety
do you disagree with? Me you want him traded off the.
Team and there are some of you who still think

(02:08:14):
The Jalen green can be a. Star i'd like to
hear from you as. Well if you want to argue
ON i argue on. That we're all friends, here but
just talk about.

Speaker 27 (02:08:20):
It.

Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
Discussion that's what this. Is an open forum for discussion
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seven ninety seven to one three two one two five
seven ninety tweets at SPORTS rv if you'd like to
get at me that. Way all, right let's a couple
y'all getting on the phone. Line we've been talking a
little bit Of Jayalen, green AND i know it's kind
of a topic that comes up a lot on these,
shows but, ALSO i, mean it's just. Happened we we
got our first look at him playing playoff, basketball and

(02:09:28):
this is a season where The rockets do have to
decide that they won if they won fifty two, games
but they weren't even good enough to get out of
the first. Round do they want to make some? MOVES
i don't think that they. Will raphelstone said as much
in the last couple of days when he's been speaking
to the. MEDIA i THINK i did a gut feeling
even a couple of weeks ago That Jalen green would

(02:09:49):
still be on this team game one of the twenty
five to twenty six. CAMPAIGN i will stick with that right.
Now But i'm also not a fortune, teller so we
shall see seven one of the phone number and a
good friend of the, Show willa In paerland is. Up what's, Up?
Willa what's going?

Speaker 5 (02:10:09):
On?

Speaker 3 (02:10:09):
Man, UH i was just calling about This Jalen green.
Situation i'm with you that we don't need to trade,
him But i'm, UH i don't think when you say
that he's not taking a traditional route that uh that
that is that is. Incorrect SO i think if you look,
like who's the best guys in the league right, now
it's Like sga took him a long time to get,

(02:10:29):
Good jokic took him a long time to get. Good,
Okay jannis him along time to get. Good the only
person that came up dominating was, like, Uh luca, right and,
uh Maybe John moran is pretty.

Speaker 1 (02:10:44):
Good, Yeah SO i did. Uh i've talked about this.

Speaker 11 (02:10:46):
Earlier.

Speaker 1 (02:10:47):
WILL i did kind of a. STUDY i looked at
guys in their first, fours like guards and wings in
their first four, years And Jalen green's behind all of.
Them i'll give you a list of some of the
NAMES i pulled up. There Devin, Booker Jalen, Brown Dearon Fox,
Shake Gil Just Alexander, donovan mitt Ul Jah, Morant Jason,
Tatum Trey, young so.

Speaker 2 (02:11:03):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (02:11:03):
Behind, yeah, yeah you know What i'm.

Speaker 6 (02:11:09):
Saying what?

Speaker 1 (02:11:10):
Right, so SO i looked at a LITTLE i looked
at some deeper. Analytics do you know what true shooting
percentage is?

Speaker 6 (02:11:15):
Not?

Speaker 1 (02:11:15):
Okay that that's kind of like it's field, goal three
point and free throw percentage, Okay and and league average
is one hundred when you do true shooting plus he's
last out of all those guys at their fourth year
THAT i brought it. UP i put it on My.
Twitter you can find it at SPORTS. RV i did
a little bit of, video AND I I i investigated

(02:11:36):
this a couple of weeks. AGO i started doing IT
i BECAUSE i was. CURIOUS i Wanted Jalen green to
look a little bit better than these. Numbers AND i
looked at other stuff like player efficiency, rating box plus
minus win shares and just at first four years, only
and THEN i also only looked at guys who have
had one year out of, college which he. Did, so,
yeah he can grow and he can get, better but
relative to those guys THAT i just, mentioned he he's

(02:11:58):
he's lagging behind most of, them if not all of.

Speaker 3 (02:12:01):
Them, okay all, Right, yeah because just looking at the
stats he just seemed that far. Behind and it seems
like that year five is when most of these, guys
all of those guys took the, jump, Right so Even Jason,
tatum and like you.

Speaker 29 (02:12:14):
Said he didn't go to.

Speaker 3 (02:12:15):
COLLEGE i guess he.

Speaker 23 (02:12:16):
Was he just went to THE g.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
League he went TO i think it. DOES i think
that's a valid that's a valid argument because he went
to THE G. League he did not go to. College
he didn't play big, games and in THE G league
because of the, panic because of the, pandemic he only
played fifteen.

Speaker 3 (02:12:30):
Games come, on, Man so, yeah, yeah, yeah let's NOT
i didn't even know all. THAT i just know he
was in THE G league and he's never played a
big game and this was his first big games and
it's like.

Speaker 1 (02:12:40):
And he sort of let it. Up but, yeah but
this is the thing to well, Say, YEAH i.

Speaker 3 (02:12:45):
Was gonna, say let's just, Say i'm not gonna give
up that he's gonna be really. Good, yet you know
What i'm, saying that's not looking. Good but you, KNOW
i think he still got a little. Time twenty three years,
old he's still spectacular when it comes to athletic. Ability
when he's, on he can shoot the, ball AND i,
think you, know when he's only shooting eight or nine,
TIMES i don't know if that's him or if that's the.

(02:13:06):
Coach you know What i'm, Saying because he's getting out the,
game he makes a couple of bad, shots he's, gone,
right so it's, like what do you? Do i'll just
sit here and play defense then.

Speaker 1 (02:13:14):
Right it's, uh it's one of those situations to, me
his superstar. Status it's like in a coma and the
doctors are, saying we're not sure if he's gonna wake
up out of the. COMA i got, You, Yeah, NO
i feel that it's like should we pull the should
we pull the plug on the co or on the
guy in the, coma or should we get him a
little bit of time to wake up out of the.
Coma that's that's basically where we.

Speaker 3 (02:13:34):
Are BUT i got a question, though on those other
guys that you look up like you Gotta we got
a different type of coach out, here, Right we got
a coach that's, like, no no, nonsense you make a,
mistake you out of. There these other, guys it probably
didn't have. THAT i, Know Trey, young it doesn't have
that for, sure he's just firing. Up it doesn't, matter
it Doesn't he's doing what he wants to. Do Jason,
TATUM i think with him coming, up they have a different.

(02:13:56):
Coach But i'm, thinking you, KNOW i think it like
the guy, said it's a mental. Thing you, know you
make missed a couple of, shots you're coming out the,
Game you're coming out the.

Speaker 23 (02:14:03):
Game you know What i'm.

Speaker 1 (02:14:04):
Saying for this, Team, YEAH i don't think it's also
just missing. Shots it's also just like his attitude in
the way that he's looking where coch coach, says you,
know we know what we can't we can't run with.
Him and you, mentioned, yeah it's his first playoff, taste
but it was a. Men thompson's first playoff. Taste he
took Over game seven for. Stretches it Was Alprin shingoon's
first playoff. Games he led in, points, rebounds, assists and.
Steals you know What i'm.

Speaker 3 (02:14:25):
Saying so in college they played college an NO.

Speaker 1 (02:14:29):
A Ben thompson played at the for Overtime.

Speaker 3 (02:14:32):
Elite oh, okay well doone played it won a championship
right in The Turkish, league right he Was.

Speaker 1 (02:14:38):
He was A Turkish LEAGUE. Mvp yes me, Right, yeah
he's also twenty. Two well, yeah, good good. Talk well
WILL i appreciate. You but, uh he's also twenty. Two
he's also a year. YOUNGER a Men thompson is two years.
Younger so, yeah we can Make LIKE i, said it's
all about how you want to look at. It it's you,
know for for we want to look at for for

(02:14:59):
A you see somebody in the mother's, love, right if
you want to be the mother's get Give Jalen green
the mother's. Love oh, well he's just you, know it's
his fourth. Year, oh it was his, own his, own
his first time in the. Playoffs oh he, didn't you,
KNOW G League. Knight, yeah but look At timmy across the.
Street timmy across the street is doing. Better timmy across

(02:15:20):
The street has a lot of the same. Circumstances he's
making all star. Teams he doesn't have the same single
digit playoff. PERFORMANCES i also brought this, up AND i
might do something on this as. Well AND i really
sound Like i'm Attacking Jalen, Green But i'm. Not LIKE i,
SAID i wanted the numbers to look, better AND i
want TO i was looking, FIRST i was. Looking i'll
give you the honest. Truth WHEN i went to go
look at everybody else's first four, YEARS i was looking

(02:15:42):
for them to also be behind and develop s mint
SO i could convince myself that there's still something. There
but you look at single digit playoff, Performances Jalen green's
already got more Than Devin. Booker Anthony edwards And John morant,
combined it's concerning to say the. Least all, right copy on,

(02:16:04):
Hold we'll get to. You we got to take a
top of the hour, break but we do Have brian
McTaggart coming, In SO i do appreciate, you. Guys if
you want to call back or if you want to hold,
THROUGH i promise if you aren't on, hold we will
get to. You that's up to, you. Guys if you
want to, HOLD i do appreciate. You seven one three
two one two five seven. Ninety we're gonna take quick.
Break we're gonna switch In astros mode With brian McTaggert
And Adam wexser coming up next year On Sports talk seven.

(02:16:25):
Ninety our number four Of The Matt Thomas show With
ross here on A Sports talk seven Ninety Matt thomas
Out Adam wexer now just joining a for this hour
to appreciate him and now for this hour normally On
thursdays earlier in the. Show but he. DID i don't

(02:16:45):
know if he's in flight or where are you right,
Now brian. McTaggart, UH i am back In. HOUSTON i
landed earlier, today had to fly AT A milwaukee this.
Morning so back in some eighty plus degree. Weather thankfully
that was a chili road. Trip, yeah litle bit of
a chili road, trip and well especially the results were
chilly for The, astros but they picked up the win

(02:17:05):
in the last. Game you, KNOW i did a lot
of this offseason defending of from Ber, Valdez, like, no
there's not good in Bad. Fromber he's mostly been. Good
guy's been finishing top ten in this iw young every,
year and he really settled in after that horrible outing
against The angels last. Year but, then of, course AS
i defended him all, offseason we have been kind of
seeing good and Bad fromber this. Year but we got

(02:17:25):
the good one. Yesterday and what do you think is
the key to?

Speaker 33 (02:17:29):
That, yeah it was Good. FROMBER i mean he had
the you, know the sinker and change up were really
effective pitches for him yesterday in that they were coming
out of the, hand you, know pretty similar that were
tonning similarly so and the velo on the change up
he was you, know he was ninety miles an hour with.

(02:17:50):
It and then he, had of course as the curve
ball to put people. Away so he was keeping the ball,
down which was the key for him when he got
in trouble in a couple of the previous. Starts so
it was pretty vintures fromer and, uh it's still in.
There and that's kind of WHAT i. WROTE i, mean
he sort of reminded people who he. Is not that
The brewers are the you, know a great lineup or,
anything but it was a lineup that he needed to

(02:18:10):
come out there and, dominate and he did just. That
and now he's got to try to build on that
going forward against probably a couple of lineups coming up
there a little bit.

Speaker 27 (02:18:18):
Better he's also getting the, hey you're the ace of the,
staff so we're not going to score you any. Runs until, Yesterday,
yeah that's.

Speaker 33 (02:18:27):
True his run support all season really has has not been.
GOOD i, mean he had the complete game loss on
the road. EARLIER i, mean you, Know Hunter brown's probably
supplanted him AS ace at this, point BUT i mean
there's room for two, aces so you get you, know
if you're going to be a team that's going to
be taken seriously and win a, division you got to
have two, aces and they Need fromber to pitch up

(02:18:49):
to those expectations and build on what he did.

Speaker 27 (02:18:51):
Yesterday, yeah five of his eight starts have BEEN ace
level material to earned runs or fewer a pair of
starts where he gave up no.

Speaker 32 (02:18:57):
Runs three other.

Speaker 27 (02:18:58):
Starts obviously you'd like to have him a little bit
better from a guy at the top of the. Rotation
but all in, all five times they probably should have
won those. Games with the way he's pitched when they've
turned it, over when anybody's turned it over to the,
bullpen it's obviously been borderline, spectacular especially the back. Four
what did you think when when you knew that this
team would be so heavy On okert And Brian. King

(02:19:20):
after the first couple of games and, weeks maybe you
realize they're definitely gonna lean on these, guys and they've
absolutely been able to continue to answer the.

Speaker 33 (02:19:27):
Bell, Well king was a guy that they talked a
lot about in spring. Training you, know he came up last.
Year they really loved his, stuff and so they didn't
go out and get a seventh inning guy to sort
of Replace. Presley when you, moved you, know you moved
everybody else up to the back of the. Bullpen there
was an opening sort of in that seventh inning, spot
and they sort of Anointed king and, said you, know

(02:19:47):
this is a guy that can do, it and he's
done a, really really nice. Job Steven okert has been
an incredible FINE i, mean this, guy you, know two
scoreless innings the other. Night he's been a really big
bright spot for. THEM i thought the bulk was probably
their biggest issue going into the. Season you just had
a lot of you, know guys you pulled from other
teams on proving, guys and they've all stepped. Up and

(02:20:08):
it turns out their biggest issue is. Offense starting pitchings
about WHAT i thought it would, be maybe a little bit.
Better you, know Arrig getty being, injured you, know hurt.
Them but you, Know gusto stepped up and done a
pretty good. Job so the pitching has been good. ENOUGH i,
mean we all know that it's uh and they're sitting
here With Christian, Walker arou under, Performing Yacht Janer diaz,

(02:20:30):
Underperforming alvarez underperforming and now, injured and they're they're eighteen and.
Eighteen it feels like they should be like ten games
under five, hundred but they're. Not so if you're A nastros,
fan it gives you hope, that, hey when when those
bats start to come, around they can maybe make a
little bit of a.

Speaker 1 (02:20:43):
Push Here brian McTaggart mlb Dot com with us here
on A Sports talk seven niney keeping with the pitching
for a second Here alance mccullor's. Junior just the latest
on how he's feeling and how you thought he looked
somewhat vintage mccullors with the walks and getting out of
some trouble in a sauceleing spot against That White sox.

Speaker 33 (02:21:01):
Lineup, YEAH i mean the fact he got up to
eighty seven PITCHES i think was the biggest news of the.
Day you, know he competed like he always. Does you,
know he walked the bases loaded and it looked, like you,
know it looked like it was about to go. South
bullpen was warming. Up he came back and got an
out and ended up going another inning after, that so you,
know stuff looked pretty. Good you, know he wasn't happy

(02:21:22):
with his. Slider he called it AN f, Slider so
he got through four innings with AN f. Slider the
rest of the pitches look pretty. Good it'll be interesting
to see if his velo can bump up a little.
BIT i think with the sinker he was ninety one ninety.
Four you, know maybe if he can stretch another mile
or two mile an hour or two out of that
he you, know he said when he was rehabbing or
coming back in twenty twenty, two it did take a

(02:21:44):
few starts for the vlow to come. Around so you,
know he'll get a Chance saturday against The reds team
that he probably doesn't know much, about and his first home.
STARTS i know that's got to be pretty special for him.
Too but all in, ALL i, thought you, know a
pretty solid first step for a guy who hadn't pitched
in two hundred and or what two and a half.

Speaker 27 (02:22:01):
Years off day, today off day again On may twenty,
sixth baseball every day in. Between do you anticipate the
last start of this homestand going to the sixth man
in the rotation Presumably Ryan.

Speaker 1 (02:22:15):
Gusto, YES i.

Speaker 33 (02:22:17):
DO i think a spot has gone on record and
said they're going to go to a six man rotation
jured in this stretch they, like they like to do
that whenever they. Can Dana brown's a big fan of.
That it makes a lot of. SENSE i, mean they
have a guy Like gusto they can put in, there
and you, know he's available in the pen for, now
maybe even for the next game or, two but THEN
i would imagine they would save him for that. Start but,

(02:22:39):
yeah six man, rotation you, know this homestand will get
a chance to see Where Eric getty's at he. Is
he was not on the road, trip so he's still
got the cast, on so it seems like he's not.
Close but you, know if they can get him back
here in the next month Into, june you, KNOW i
think that would be huge for them as. WELL i,
mean LIKE i, SAID i, MEAN i thought starting pitching
depth would be a huge issue for, them and so

(02:23:01):
far it's not so credit to you, know some of
those other guys stepping, up even when you've had a you,
know a pretty bad injury Like Eric, getty which you
know he's been out a month plus now.

Speaker 1 (02:23:11):
Switching to the. Hitting we know there's been a lot of.
Struggles some people are On pope. Watch i'm On pinia
breakout season to Watch. Brian where are we at on?

Speaker 33 (02:23:19):
That, YEAH i, MEAN i think it's fair to say
he's he's en route to. ONE i, mean even after
moving him to the leadoff spot On april twenty, seventh
he's he's hitting three forty, nine has not slowed. Down
he just looks more. Confident you, know he's striking out
less walking. More so it looks like, he you, know
he's figured something, out you. Know you, KNOW i always,

(02:23:39):
say we'll get to my world and let's see where everybody's.
At you get a better. Assessment you're about a third
of the way through the. Season but, Yeah I'M i
Think i'm about ready to say That Jeremy penny is
having his breakout season we were all waiting, for and
it comes at the right time with all the struggles
they've had with other. Guys AND i think it was
you that said earlier us where would they be with
That Penya there'd probably be three four games under five

(02:24:02):
hundred at this, point so you, know hopefully for their,
sake he can keep that, up and you, Know Jake
myers can keep doing his thing and eventually maybe some
of these guys will come. Around and If jordon's hand
has been bothering, HIM i, mean that's probably good news
to The astros that he was just not in the
season long. Thunk he just wasn't, Healthy so you, Know
i'd be giving him the chaks. Off we'll get him

(02:24:22):
back on track as.

Speaker 27 (02:24:23):
Well brought up the Name Jake, myers and far be
it from me to ask The Jake myers question When
i'm sitting in the presence he'll be president of The
Jake Myers Fan.

Speaker 32 (02:24:30):
Club But i'll take it.

Speaker 27 (02:24:31):
Anyway do you think in the, interim in the waiting
for Jord on to get, back they Will joe will
Consider Jake myers as a hitter that doesn't beat, six,
seven eight or.

Speaker 33 (02:24:42):
NINE i don't think so that would really surprise me
at this. Point and maybe one of the Reasons myers
is hitting so well is because he's hitting in the
right spot in, order so you, know there's there's not
a ton of pressure on. Him and so a lot
of times when guys who were forming well and maybe
rolls in the bullpen pitching in certain situations and hitting

(02:25:04):
somewhere in the order and people want them to. Change,
well some of the reasons they're doing well because they're
in the right. SPOT i get that feeling With Jake
myers is that he's in the right. Spot he's still
a bottom third order guy to, Me, YEAH i mean
there's a lot of guys under. Performing you could move them,
up BUT i wouldn't tinker with it at this. Point
if you want to hit him, six you, know keeping
there and you, know hopefully for their, sake he keeps

(02:25:26):
swinging the bat like he is because he had a
really really good road. TRIP i, mean he single handedly
won one of the games In chicago and kept him
from getting. Swept so it could have been a one
to five road trip it was wasn't For Jake myers breaking.
Out but, Yeah i'll be keeping where it is and
not not trying to change that formula right now.

Speaker 1 (02:25:41):
And keeping with that as we look at guys who
are kind of part time players and thriving in. Opportunities
given one of those Is Zach, dezenzo where do you
think they are right, now especially With joe trying to
obviously trying to get him some more starts in the,
lineup and he's performed pretty.

Speaker 33 (02:25:57):
Well, YEAH i mean he's he's done a really nice.
JOB i mean he's had a couple of hiccups in
the outfield to drop ball the other, night he had
a throw in left field on the road trip that
wasn't the, best a little bit of a base running
issue in the game yesterday where you, know he had
to scurry back to. First but you, know, offensively the

(02:26:17):
guy hits the ball really hard and they really like
the quality of what he does when he goes up.
There and, so, yeah he can play, left he can
d h he can play. RIGHT i think we're gonna
continue to see him do. That joe was asked point,
blank could he get back on the, dirt you, know
play him first or? Third and you, know we've seen
a little bit of them at. First but you, know

(02:26:37):
as long As Cam smith continues to, struggle AND i
think it's fair to Say cam struggle a little, bit
THAT i Think descenzo will get more bats in right.
Field and you, know And cam is not playing you,
know super every day right now, consistently so it's gonna
be hard for him to come out of this. STRUGGLE i,
think but you can't, ignore you, Know senzos at, bats
how hard he's hitting the, ball his, versatility he brings

(02:26:59):
a lot to the lineup right, now AND i think
he's gonna play more days than.

Speaker 1 (02:27:02):
That brian McTaggart mlb dot com or a weekly guest
here on The Matt Thomas show With. Ross appreciate the
time as, Always, Brian but, quickly what's going on at
astros dot? Com, well glad you.

Speaker 33 (02:27:15):
ASKED i did a little video last night in the.
Hotel we call them tap. Stories oh did you send
that out on? Accident it was a very professional polish
based off. Video, yeah so, yeah don't get too excited.
There that's that's on the. WEBSITE i. DID i did
a thing the other day Comparing altuve and video's, numbers
name's thirty five and the chances Of altove running down

(02:27:37):
some of Those vigio team. Records so that was a
fun one as. Well and uh, yeah and uh we'll
have a newsletter out on On saturday as, well.

Speaker 1 (02:27:46):
So keep keep on lookout for. That all, right, Thanks,
brian appreciate. Time we'll talk to you next, week or
actually somebody will talk to you. Tomorrow won't be. Me, oh, actually,
wait it is. Me i'll talk to you, Tomorrow, BRIAN i. Can't,
yeah You're you're. Welcome all, Right i'll ask you all
the same question in the same form. Tomorrow are you
ready for?

Speaker 33 (02:28:02):
That, okay, yeah sounds.

Speaker 1 (02:28:03):
Good i'll be all. Right thank, You, brian appreciate the
time as. Always that's, right it is me. Tomorrow, DANG
i THOUGHT i was gonna have a Free. Friday i'll
be with you For astros On deck And tenthening. Tomorrow
thanks To brian, McTaggart good stuff on The. Astros you
want to react to anything he had to, say you
can seven one three two one two, five seven. Ninety
we also were doing a little bit Of Jalen green
talk before as. Well curious to Get wex's thoughts on

(02:28:26):
that and anything you guys want to get to with
you until two o'clock on The Matt Thomas show With
ross at seven one three two one two five seven.
Ninety thanks To brian McTaggart bringing it as always talking Some.
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(02:28:48):
today we'll settle in at home for a weekend three
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we will have all the games here On Sports talk seven.
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(02:29:09):
seven Ninety so just before you got in, here, uh Mister,
wexler we were also talking About Jalen, green so curious your.
Thoughts of, Course raphaelstilm will say that the, data you
can spin it any way that you would, Like but
if you look at it AS i kind of did
a little bit on my social media and we've been
talking about, it he is not at the level of

(02:29:32):
development for the players that are ALL nba type, caliber
even for their first four. Years but also it is
true to say THAT nba players do not peak at
year twenty, Three they do not peak in your four.
Normally so where is that peak For Jalen? Green and
how do if you were the general, manager how would
you handle him this?

Speaker 27 (02:29:52):
Offseason, well first of, all just because you put it out,
THERE i know a lot of people have seen.

Speaker 32 (02:29:56):
It those that. Haven't can you give him an idea
of the names on the.

Speaker 1 (02:29:59):
List, oh, okay we're talking about my social media. Post
guys who have made ALL nba thirty years are under, first,
second third. Team There's Devin, Booker Jalen, Brown Jalen. BRUNSON i, mean,
Okay Luca johncis is an. ALIEN i probably could have
left him, Off Trey, Young John, Morant Tyrese, halliburn And Donovan.
Mitchell so you just have a file.

Speaker 27 (02:30:19):
Analysis, yeah with these, players, yes, which while very much, appreciated.

Speaker 32 (02:30:24):
IS i think extremely.

Speaker 27 (02:30:27):
Unnecessary when you hear those, names do listeners Think Jalen
green belongs in that? Group he's playing basketball in THE
nba for four. Years he's not playing like those. Players,
no he's.

Speaker 6 (02:30:36):
Not BUT i was.

Speaker 1 (02:30:37):
WONDERING i was curious about their first four years relative
to his first four, years see how far behind or
far not ahead he would, be but where he stacked.

Speaker 27 (02:30:45):
Up AND i was making a reference to where those
players were earlier in their. Career quite, clearly each one
of those players is not entering their fifth season next.
Year they're much further along in. Years they're also much
further along in their. Development BUT i also think at
that point in their career would HAVE i would have
said the exact same, thing which is essentially WHAT i.
Meant it's more about what do you anticipate his future.
BEING i do think there is some learning that definitely

(02:31:07):
happened in this. SERIES i wished and it's not fair
to compare individual players because they were defended and counted on.
Differently but you had three guys that played massive roles
in The rockets seven game series Against Golden. State they
were all in their first, Years so Eliminate Tarry easton
And Jabari Smith junior only that their opportunities were much more,

(02:31:29):
limited and Include Amn, Thompson Alperhin Shing, gooon And Jalen.
Green the focus of The Golden state defense was very.
Clear all of our attention is On Jalen. Green we're
going to blitz. Him we're going to double, Him we're
going to force him. Left he's going to have very little.
Space he's going to be forced by. Us we think
to make the pass to get the ball out of his.
Hands we'll see if you can beat the other. Guys
four on, Three Alprin Shing gooon was defended by one

(02:31:52):
player pretty much, exclusively not one specific, player but by
only One, warrior whoever it might. Be he wasn't double
teamed very. Often The rockets ran their offense threw him
much at the, time and some nights it, worked some
nights it. Didn't his overall, series quite, obviously was very.
Good as a big, picture he was very very good
in his first playoff, series and a Men thompson there

(02:32:12):
was virtually no focus defensively on, him which is normally
the case throughout his first two years in THE.

Speaker 32 (02:32:17):
Nba he's allowed to.

Speaker 27 (02:32:18):
Freelance he moves without the ball very well within the
limits of this, offense and as the series went, on
Unlike jalen and Unlike, alprin he figured it out on the,
fly got better and better and. Better, man if there
was A game eight Or game nine between The warriors And,
rockets who knows what a Men thompson might have been
able to.

Speaker 1 (02:32:35):
Do rockets in fifteen let's. Go and so it comes
back To jalen.

Speaker 27 (02:32:39):
This it's almost like The rockets felt two things offensively and,
defensively which they never shied away from and never steered. Differently,
defensively we're Taking curry and we're focusing all our energy on.
Him if the other guys beat, us so be. It
and it happened all seven. Games three times it. Worked
four times it, didn't and they allowed The warriors to
do the same thing to them offensively and never. Changed,

(02:33:01):
well if they want to Take Jalen green, out that's.
Fine we have confidence on our other four players whoever
are on the, court.

Speaker 32 (02:33:07):
And they're going to beat. Them and it didn't. Work
it actually didn't. Work six.

Speaker 27 (02:33:10):
Times they managed to win three of those games or
two of those. Games the one time it didn't work
for The warriors is When jalen obviously went off super.
Aggressive shots were falling, early and his play that's what
we should be talking.

Speaker 32 (02:33:23):
About it took me a while to get.

Speaker 27 (02:33:24):
There but how he played Opening game, two it's not
about scoring twelve points in the first four, minutes far from.
It you can recall, this our listeners recall. This he was,
creative he was, playmaking he was. Aggressive he found his.
Teammates they were playing the kind of offense that they
really needed to play much more often in this. Series
and it was all because of. Him it was because
of his ability to beat those, blitzes his ability to

(02:33:45):
get around, them to create something for his. Team i'm
just not sure why he wasn't able to do that
a little bit more. Often but then it goes into
the Big jalen. Picture that's what we're asking for four.
Years why isn't there more of? That and The warriors
did pick on his clear, weaknesses Which i'm sure The
rockets were aware of before this. Series doesn't have a
very good handle going to his. Left he's not still

(02:34:07):
four years, in not strong enough to finish with, authority
finished through enough of the, contact playoff. Contact he definitely
got better finishing through regular season contact this. Year i'd
like to acknowledge that he was much better at the
basket in the regular, season but he looked like first
three Years jalen at the basket and the.

Speaker 1 (02:34:25):
Postseason, yes and the improvements have been, there and then
the flashes have been. There and THAT'S i think what
makes this always not a difficult, conversation but a way
to where you can see the light of those great
performances and the thirty points and the MAKING i mean
circus layups through, traffic through three, guys step back threes

(02:34:46):
to his, left to his, RIGHT i mean from the
top of the key. Swish you can see so much
from him and then all of a sudden it. Vanishes
and to the point was it game, FOUR i think
at the end of the, game wasn't even the. Floor
so we can talk, About, yeah The warriors trying to
key on him and being, defensive Like emodoka, said we
need one bucket to. WIN i believe that's, cool, right

(02:35:09):
he was off the floor in that last possession that
Did Alprin shangoon missed that bucket Against Draymond, green he
was not on the. FLOOR i believe it was at
least one of those end of the game scenarios Where
Jalen green's not even out, there to Where emodoka, SAYS
i don't need him on the floor to help us
win this playoff, game and that Was that's what's what's
concerning for.

Speaker 32 (02:35:28):
Me, yeah there were several games where the minutes were way.

Speaker 27 (02:35:31):
Down that particular, INSTANCE i think they knew what they
wanted to do and they went about it that way
and gave the ball To alburn and he just created
for himself and missed the. Shot, unfortunately not having him
on the. Floor in light of how this series, WENT
i DON'T i don't even know that that was such
a knock on him versus, well he Put easton And.

Speaker 1 (02:35:56):
Aman thompson on the. Floor let me take that.

Speaker 27 (02:36:00):
Back he Put. Adams that's WHAT i thought he. DID
i was double. Checking adams came in With alburn for
that possession at the end of the. Game and that's
Why jalen's. Off it's not that they don't want him out.
There and this they were playing for the get this.
Miss they were playing for The this is our best.
Lineup this is the best group that's been on the
floor Against Golden. State it Includes. Adams and If adams

(02:36:20):
is on the floor in this series they just, finished
you have to take somebody out that would normally be.

Speaker 1 (02:36:26):
In and why Tarry? EASTON i, mean is he A
he's about the same three point. Shooter If jalens taking
all this gravity and he's getting all this, attention he
should be on the floor. There easton was.

Speaker 27 (02:36:36):
Out easton and men came, Out alpern And Steven adams came.
In so my assumption, is IF i can That jalen
was actually on.

Speaker 1 (02:36:44):
The, FLOOR i don't think.

Speaker 27 (02:36:45):
HE i don't THINK i have enough players for him
not to have been unless it Was, Jabbari, Alpern Fred,
dylan And Steven.

Speaker 1 (02:36:53):
Adams, Yeah i'll look into. That we have to, well,
actually let's Get. Steve he's been holding a long. Time
let's get him real. Quick here on The Mat Thomas
show With. Ross what's Up?

Speaker 38 (02:37:01):
Stephen, hey, guys just a couple of points On Jalen.
Green and THEN i have a small little rant on
The Thunder. BASKETBALL i think what we have to, consider
and it's not an excuse, obviously is that playoffs are
all about. Matchups AND i thought that The rockets had
an advantage Against Golden state in almost every matchup except

(02:37:24):
for the shooting guard. Position Jalen green has not played
well against them this entire. Year AND i mean it's
not shouldn't be breaking. News they're a really good defensive,
team and they had one goal in, mind which was
to make everybody beat them except For Jalen. Green AND
i just thought it was a bad matchup going into the.

(02:37:46):
Series and for seven, games or six of the seven,
games it proves that it. Was it just wasn't a
good matchup for that particular. Position and you, Know i'm
of the opinion that you, KNOW i just think that you,
know you trust the, process you gather the data and
just hope that this is all a learning experience for you,

(02:38:08):
know the core, players and you move, forward And i'm
just my last thing on the thunder is that you,
know they look, really really. Good but every TIME i
watch a, Game i'm constantly shaking my head because how
DOES sga get away with pushing off defenders every single
drive to the. BASKET i, MEAN i guess it's an
effective strategy because they never call, it but like every

(02:38:29):
drive he's pushing off the defender and it's just it's
annoying to watch just because he gets away with. It
SO i appreciate the. Call guys all listening to the.

Speaker 1 (02:38:38):
Other everybody sees except for the. Referees, Lucas, hello, HONESTLY
i really do truly believe this is.

Speaker 32 (02:38:46):
Different this really. Is it's literally every single drive it's
out of.

Speaker 27 (02:38:50):
Control we'll get to that in another second so we
can finish the jail in, discussion he was off the
floor by. Hill brooks had checked in for him with
four fifty and was the Last, Brooks fred.

Speaker 1 (02:39:00):
Van vliet and Then adams And. Shingo, RIGHT i get look.
SPACING i MEAN i would rather Have jabari out there
for spacing, purposes And Dylan brooks And Fred Van vliet as,
well and J green was also an indictment Of Jalen green's.

Speaker 27 (02:39:15):
Play that's fine because it's a. Fact this, is this
is in the. Series you're in the middle of this.
Series jalen was your worst. Shooter why would you have
him on the floor? There jabari was a much better.
Shooter you, know a man's not gonna take the. Shot
he's not gonna be out at the three point. Line
now at this point in the, Series fred was just coming.
Alive this Was game four and that's the other part
of you, know here's what they did the whole. Series

(02:39:35):
here's how they're. Defending and As stephen brought, Up jalen
was terrible against The warriors overall for the five regular season.
Games so Was fred awful against The warriors this year
in the regular, season and then awful again in the
first three. Games the veteran because they weren't focused on,
him Realized i'm wasting myself, Here i'm letting this. Happen

(02:39:55):
he took advantage of The Golden state defense in the
last four games of the, series like it would have
been nice had he been.

Speaker 1 (02:40:01):
Able to do that, earlier, well, yeah it would have.
Been but that's, basketball all. Right we had to take
quick break here On The Matt Thomas show With Ross Adam,
wexer so graciously it's hanging out. HERE i appreciate. Him
you guys want to get, in you can seven one
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Matt Thomas show With ross Without Matt thomas with you
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(02:40:26):
Without Matt, Thomas Ross viria with, You Adam wexer with.
You matt will be back, Tomorrow. Astros with the day,
off we're Into rockets offseason. Mode the news coming out
recently that the not a surprise at, all basically what
we all. Think it's like the worst kept secret In
Houston rockets off season, history That fred Van Vliet rockets

(02:40:50):
with the team option at forty four point nine million.
Dollars they're pushing back the deadline To june twenty, ninth
additional time to navigate exercise the option for perhaps or,
okay Probably fred Van vliet here on a longer term.
Deal the question being how many millions of? Dollars and most,
IMPORTANTLY i, think how many more years do you Think

(02:41:12):
fred Van vliet will be at least contracted contractually obligated
unless he is traded to be A Houston. Rocket.

Speaker 27 (02:41:19):
YEAH i don't think it's gonna sound any different for your,
listeners SINCE i know you've said something. Similarly three years
ninety ish million sounds so very. REASONABLE i mean for the,
INDIVIDUAL i wouldn't look at it as a fourteen point
nine million dollar pay. CUT i would look at it
as a forty five point one million dollar extra, guarantee
because now you're guaranteed to make ninety million dollars as

(02:41:40):
opposed to forty four point. Nine SO i Think fred
and his agency probably will see. That but there's the
backside of that is the other. Question, Okay so it's
clearly good for how he finished and what he means
to this team and all, That but is it good
for what they did last year at this time Late
may or Late june and drafted Reed. Shepherd how many
more years Of fred on the roster makes sense, if

(02:42:03):
as we're led to, believe, internally they love Read shepherd
that this year was clearly a year where it was
going to be difficult to crack the, rotation as it
proved to. Be BUT i think they view him as
he has to be at least part of the answer
in the future to one of their biggest, problems which
was shooting the.

Speaker 1 (02:42:20):
Three, YEAH i think it's a fair question as far
as the Read shepherd thing and going into the season
when they drafted him and they talked about loving him, That,
yeah sure you can love a. Prospect then do you
think there is part of them that got their eyes
on him and have him around for a year and,
said maybe this guy isn't going to develop into all
we think he.

Speaker 27 (02:42:41):
Is that's a great, question BECAUSE i think they fell
more in love with him the more they had, him
the more he was, here the more he was on the,
roster probably because of his. Looks BUT i do think
this series might give anybody. Pause we barely talked about
it because everyone's so focused on amend this AND amn.
That But fred Van vliet WAS i don't know what
the minutes Guarding curry added up to after seven.

Speaker 32 (02:43:03):
Games i'm sure his total was very.

Speaker 27 (02:43:04):
High fred's total very high in order for The rockets
to deploy the type of defense they wanted in this particular,
matchup it required a lot of minutes From fred defensively
to be one of the guys that could switch out onto.
HIM i don't know that they feel like in a
year That Reed shepherd's capable of doing that With steph
With Anthony, edwards With John, morant with run through the

(02:43:26):
list of backcourt killers in The, west that would still
cause me.

Speaker 32 (02:43:30):
Concern.

Speaker 1 (02:43:31):
Yeah, Yeah, WELL i guess the defensive development Of read
sheperd will be something will be keeping an eye. On
but that'll be one of the things happening this. Offseason
and the other thing people are talking about Trading Jalen.
Green so is he wearing A rockets uniform game number
one of the twenty twenty five, Season And i'll Come.

Speaker 32 (02:43:50):
OCTOBER i mean as simple As i'll just give you
the simple.

Speaker 27 (02:43:53):
Yes but because that basically MEANS i don't think they're
gonna they're gonna end up.

Speaker 1 (02:43:57):
WITH i think It's, booker could Be.

Speaker 27 (02:44:00):
ROCKET i really don't Think, Anotakoupo Kevin, Durant John, morant
and now fill in the blank with any other name
we might come up with the next two.

Speaker 2 (02:44:07):
MONTHS i just.

Speaker 27 (02:44:09):
DON'T i don't think it's gonna. HAPPEN i don't think
it's the deal that this group feels like, making even
though it's pretty clear they're.

Speaker 32 (02:44:15):
Close everybody in The west is.

Speaker 27 (02:44:17):
Close all eight teams that made the playoffs probably think they're,
very very, close including the four that didn't advance Like.
Houston but if you're Moving jalen for any of those other, pieces, okay,
well then you've created an opening that you don't necessarily
have the ability to fill unless you've traded For Devin. Booker,
like what lineup are you running out there If jalen's

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been moved For kevin?

Speaker 1 (02:44:38):
Durant? UH i guess? Ed who's still out?

Speaker 27 (02:44:42):
There and are you saying you trade on j one
so you can Keep Cam, witmore who all of a
sudden has earned the trust of the coaches in year.

Speaker 1 (02:44:48):
THREE i don't know if that's, happening, Right, YEAH i don't.
KNOW i Think Jalen green is. Here i'm in agreement with.
YOU i Think Jalen green is. HERE i think you
have seen the incremental. IMPROVEMENT i think he still can get.
BETTER i just don't think He's LIKE i, said we
just kind of have to lower the bar of expectation
to where he's second and third. Option he's not blossoming
into this star who is going to consistently take over

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games and carry teams the guys you, mentioned The Devin,
Booker John, Moranz he's going to, be to, me a lesser.
PLAYER i think we have enough sample sized to say
he's going to be a lesser player than those types of.
Guys but that doesn't mean he does not have a
value and a, role especially with the improvement overall in
his perimeter.

Speaker 27 (02:45:29):
Defense, yeah, bet basketball player improvement was pretty clear to
see this. Year he was a better basketball player than
he's been in any of the first three. Years he
was more important to winning without necessarily being a tremendously
improved offensive player or. Shooter, now it's not worth noting
his three point shooting numbers did go up by enough
THAT i would note it it went up to thirty
five and change it would previously in the thirty. Threes

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his overall, shooting basically, though was the. Same his field
goal percentage coming into this year was forty two point two,
percent and he shot four two point three percent this.
Year his effective field goal percentage was forty nine point.
Eight he shot fifty point. Five he's never been above
fifty point. Eight he's never been below forty eight point.
Five there's a lot of WHAT i look at in

(02:46:12):
his fourth year THAT i was HOPING i wouldn't see
In Jeremy payney's fourth, year because those numbers are so remarkably,
Similar And jeremy's telling, me you're, right you're not going
to see that in my fourth. Year but for the most,
part we did see that With. Jalen there's parts of.
It he got better as a. Player if he's not
a better shooter and a better, scorer more efficient, scorer

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it becomes difficult to elevate where you place him on
the list of players at his, position because that's what's
necessary for players at his. Position you got to be
able to put the ball in the basket a little
bit more effectively than he has shown to.

Speaker 1 (02:46:44):
Do, YEAH i, MEAN i think he also has value
in the regular season as. Well, Look, hey forty points
against The, Wizards, hey it. Counts that still gets you a,
win even it's against a bad. Team if he has
the capability of doing, that especially against worse, teams And
i'm not trying to say that he only scores big
against worse, teams but the worst. Defenses Jalen green can
thrive and the tools that he has that can provide you.

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Value to the point where he was the leading scorer
on a fifty two win, Team he's got. Value So
i'm with. YOU i THINK i think the rockets will
not necessarily rock the boat in a big way and
he will still be. Here we have to take quick
break here on The Matt Thomas. Show we will talk
some more rockets when we come. Back you do have
a couple of minutes to get in if you'd like,
no believe it or, not today With Matt thomas, OUT

(02:47:27):
i take a mental break. OFF i Know Jonathan allen
likes it. Too you don't have to hit all those
sounders and get all those. Winners So matt will be back,
tomorrow believe it or. Not we'll be back. Tomorrow but
you can get in with first some regular conversation in
the final segment at seven one to three two one
two five seven ninety seven to one three two one
two five seven ninety final segment of the. Show but

(02:47:59):
you don't have to go. Anywhere Adam clanton And Adam
wexer are coming up next at two. O'clock Adam wexer
thankfully hanging out with me for the last hour of
this program With Matt thomas. Out he will be back.
Tomorrow didn't talking a lot of, astros but lately been
talking a lot of Rockets Jalen green as. Well AND

(02:48:20):
i mean we kind of haven't been talking about this
as either because he did show up in the. SERIES
i would say showing up leading the team in, points,
rebounds assistant steals is a pretty good way to show
up in a seven game playoff. Series but as you,
mentioned he was only guarded by one guy the whole.
Series whoever that was a lot of it Was Draymond,

(02:48:40):
green who is a great defender and very. Strong but
the efficiency numbers weren't there for Alperin shangoon as far
as the shooting, percentage and also we talked about this
in the regular season as far as missed, bunnies missed
shots in the, paint a lot of it falling. Short
and now you have three straight seasons For shingoon fifty

(02:49:03):
five percent shooting down to fifty three point, seven then
under fifty for a six to eleven big man who
doesn't take a bunch of threes forty nine point six
percent from. HIM i do feel like we can get
more of a bounce back. THERE i don't know if
he's just got to get his weight. Up is it
just simply getting stronger and bigger as a twenty two year.
Old what do you think about the offseason for oppera.

Speaker 27 (02:49:25):
INCHGUN i think he needs to get a better handle
on which shots to. Take he did get one thing
correct this, year and you just mentioned. It he took
a lot fewer threes this year and that should be
pretty much. Permanent and he should also take zero threes
if the shot clock has a one on it and
it's not the only digit, ever it just doesn't make any.

Speaker 32 (02:49:42):
Sense, basically just just don't do, it even though he
made three of eight in this seven game.

Speaker 27 (02:49:47):
Series, yeah you can't have a player who takes the
majority of shots from fifteen feet in or even a
bigger percentage of that majority right at the. Basket he
can't shoot forty five percent from the, floor which is
what he did in those seven. GAMES i think he's
getting to his spots more often than he, thinks and
he's passing on that to make another move and to

(02:50:07):
make another move and to make another spin and kind
of puts himself in harm's way or sends himself into,
traffic into the defense when he's already kind of. Won
he's already gotten where he should want to go Against
looney Or pajemski Or green or whomever in this, series
and other teams might defend him. Differently BUT i think
that was one big problem in watching the ball be

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released from his hand on a regular set, shot jump,
shot or free. Throw he cannot be a sixty three
percent free throw shooter. Anymore it is one hundred percent.
Mental it is one hundred percent about lack of consistency
with his technique and his. Motion he doesn't do the
same thing every. Time he still talks to the, ball
he still spins the.

Speaker 1 (02:50:47):
Ball he says the wrong things to the ball.

Speaker 32 (02:50:49):
Clearly sometimes he leans.

Speaker 27 (02:50:50):
In sometimes he has a lane violation that he knows
will go uncalled because the refs are. Sorry he just
doesn't do the same thing every. Time you can't be as.
Act he's gonna get to the free throw, line and
you should want him. To that should be a plus
seventy five percent is not, elite but that's where he
should be with his.

Speaker 1 (02:51:09):
Abilities he was there for the first couple months of the.
Season it was sitting around like seventy five seventy seven,
PERCENT i, think.

Speaker 27 (02:51:14):
And quite clearly it was a major factor in this,
series not just, him the whole. Team he had three
games where you missed nine plus at the free throw,
line and you, know put you in a horrible. Position
so those two, THINGS i think of the simplest things to.
Fix it's pretty clear he got a lot. Stronger he
was much more capable of handling how basketball was played
in the. Playoffs, PHYSICALLY i thought he did an awesome

(02:51:35):
job of. THAT i was really happy with how he
responded to everything from the antics portion of it and
just the straight up physical. Play he didn't spin the
helicopter as often as he usually. Does he wasn't asking
for every call to be. Reviewed he's the number one
offender on The rockets with that, Right.

Speaker 1 (02:51:50):
YES i think.

Speaker 32 (02:51:50):
SO i still think the coaching staff listens too.

Speaker 1 (02:51:53):
Much they did one during the. Series that was when
they were up, THIRTY i think In game two or
whatever it, was and it was A Jimmy butler and
he hits him on the shoulder there and he's, like, Oh,
god he's doing the helicopter hand and they're, like, fine,
whatever we'll challenge it for Pretty i'd.

Speaker 32 (02:52:07):
Love to see more.

Speaker 27 (02:52:08):
Improvement i'm glad that he said himself he didn't play
offense well this, season but if you get twenty, one
twelve and five and two steals and his turnovers were
definitely down in this, series he was very good at.
That only had fifteen turnovers in seven. Games that's very
acceptable for someone whose usage rate is where it. Is
he had a good playoff. Series if there's more in

(02:52:30):
his next playoff series that's borderline superstar kind of, production
the effectiveness efficiency of it could stand to go.

Speaker 1 (02:52:38):
Up, yeah MAYBE i got it. NOW i got to
dive into other big men in their first four years in.
Development he did have the benefit of playing pro basketball
before coming, in and just as a prospect in. GENERAL
i think one of the reasons where he wasn't super
high on people's, bors where he wasn't a top five,
guy is because he doesn't wow anybody with the. Athleticism
but are you really really mad at?

Speaker 32 (02:52:59):
Me are You clanton level mad at?

Speaker 27 (02:53:01):
Me IF i, say, Well jalen played pro basketball before THE, nba,
too that's, true fifteen, Games.

Speaker 1 (02:53:09):
Yes he, did that's got paid, for, Right you're, right
but not a couple of years he was in A
Turkish LEAGUE mvp at, LEAST i don't Think Jalen green.
Was don't have to look back up at his, resume but,
NO i will. NOT i don't Think i'll ever Get
Adam clanton levels of manat you just let you. Know,
anyways Uh, SO i THINK i think adding, strength it's

(02:53:33):
he of course can't add. Polish he of course can
work on some of the is like passing and things
like that in post, moves but he came into the
league with a lot of that. Already so WHAT i,
say What i'm saying is he was closer to his
CEILING i think in those types of. Categories BUT i
think if if he does continue to add strength and,

(02:53:54):
bulk that's going to help him so.

Speaker 27 (02:53:55):
Much download do you think any other team in The,
west the seven other playoff, teams any of them could
have or would have defended him the way The warriors,
did essentially not double. HIM i think the Answers, NO
i don't think THE i Think memphis would have Helped Jaron.
JACKSON i think The nuggets would have Helped Nikola. JOKIC
i think The lakers wouldn't have known what to.

Speaker 1 (02:54:16):
Do we Go bear guards him on one on, one
AND i mean he's gone off for.

Speaker 32 (02:54:19):
Forty he's also played very.

Speaker 1 (02:54:20):
Well he's gone off for forty Against, rudy but he's
also had bad games Against. Rudy to, me that's kind
of a mixed. BAG i would have to go back
and look through game By.

Speaker 27 (02:54:27):
Maybe you Think draymond's number one of the eight individual
defenders that could have played him.

Speaker 1 (02:54:33):
INDIVIDUALLY i Think zubo plays him pretty well. Individually who
else Where's Jonas valentunis these? Days he normally can give him, fits.

Speaker 27 (02:54:42):
And they might you would see a team that has
him saying maybe we should do something, that maybe we
give him more minutes because he has done. That, yeah
if it's a, PLAYO i just Think i'm not calling
it a bad matchup by any. Means BUT i do
think the defense played on him individually allowed The warriors
to play this whole series a certain BUT i.

Speaker 1 (02:54:58):
Think against certain, sinners, yeah he will do what he
does where he's moving and shaking and kind of slipping
on the, floor loosing the ball and not getting as
close to the basket as he can against weaker big
men and or.

Speaker 27 (02:55:10):
Mismatches, yeah you're you're allowed to do different things offensively
if you keep running things through outrin and he's drawing.
DOUBLES i, mean they're not gonna have any games where
they only shoot twelve threes through the first three quarters again,
ever because team that's if you're committing defense to on
the interior people going to the, basket whether it's a
drive or simply a post, play well you're leaving guys

(02:55:31):
open on the.

Speaker 32 (02:55:31):
Wings and they just that wasn't available to that much.

Speaker 3 (02:55:34):
THAT i was.

Speaker 1 (02:55:34):
WONDERING i THINK i have to go back and look
at the. Game but, yeah LIKE i was alarmed how
few threes there, were AND i was wondering if part
of them was, like we don't want to put this
up to the three point. Gods we want to try
to make easier.

Speaker 27 (02:55:45):
Baskets they kind of did play like, that BECAUSE i
do think there probably were more opportunities to shoot, threes
but they definitely went at the. Bat they were, rockets
were aggressive going to the, basket and PROBABLY i think
we said it during the game some we'll definitely say
it in, hindsight it was not not a correction strategy that.

Speaker 1 (02:56:01):
Night what was it twenty three or fifty five in
the paint or something like that in game? Seven not.
Good well back to the drawing, board AND i do
Think alprinch And goon will continue to. Grow but concerning,
that the field goal percentages have gone.

Speaker 27 (02:56:15):
Down so any of these ridiculous years deals that have
put out there where he's involved in moving, Out you're,
LIKE i don't, KNOW.

Speaker 1 (02:56:21):
I wouldn't call. HIM i Wouldn't i'm not calling anybody,
untouchable and that includes him In. THOMPSON i, know we
love like people are, Like, NO i wouldn't give him
any honest. Deal you're hoping He giannice is a two
TIME mvp And Defensive player of The. Year that's what
you're hoping a man can, be and he is. That
so to, me nobody's. Untouchable everybody you, know a men
is one of the MORE i would like less to be.

(02:56:42):
Touched that sounds. WEIRD i don't. KNOW i would like
to keep him In thompson, certainly and then Alprynchon goon
more THAN i don't make that, Face, Jonathan you know
What i'm. Saying but, ANYWAYS i wouldn't call anybody. Untouched
he's making videos in his. Room that. Was that WAS
i was, like, oh all, Right, brian, geez all, right
we're we're gonna get. Out on that, note wex thanks

(02:57:03):
for hanging. Out i'll be here for the next four, Hours,
yes next four hours with another guy Named. Adam thank
you To Dan matthews for hanging out earlier in the.
Show thanks To Adam wexer for coming in earlier as.
Well thanks To Brian bogocevic for Joining brian. McTaggart thanks
You Jonathan allen for. Producing thanks to all of you
for listening and interacting with the. SHOW i do appreciate.

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