Rockets Fall 3-1 To Golden State, Will There Be Hope For Houston? Astros Take the First Game Of The Series

Rockets Fall 3-1 To Golden State Will There Be Hope For Houston? Astros Take the First Game Of The Series

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Uh oh two in the am Here on Sports Talk
seven ninety Hello and welcome in to a somber, sad,
depressed version a Tuesday edition of The Matt Thomas Show
with Ross. Hello, Welcome in the Matt Thomas Show. It

(00:22):
is a Tuesday edition with Ross. By the way, that
is me. I am the Ross. Matt Thomas is traveling
with the Rockets, so he is out today. I'll be
joined by Chris Gordy at some point. First segments. I
would be joined by Adam Clanton as well. Later on
in the show, we'll get Joe Aspata. Later on in
the show, we could talk about the astros who actually
won a game and have us feeling good. Definitely want

(00:44):
to talk about the Rockets, of course as well in
anything you want to get to Phone lines open seven
to one three two one two five seven ninety seven
one three two one two five seven ninety I will
preface everything that I'm about to say about these Houston
Rockets by saying I am a Houston Rockets fan through
and through. I am a Houstonian through and through. I

(01:06):
love the Rockets. I want them to win. I think
they're gonna bounce back from this organizationally either if not
within the series in the next couple of years. They're
a really good team with a really good coach, and
I trust their general manager to do the right things
going forward. That being said, how do you shoot sixty

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two percent from the free throw line in.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
An entire series?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
How do you shoot this poorly from the free throw line?
How do you have these opportunities in front of you
and squander them with no Jimmy Butler on Saturday and
then the game last night. If if Jalen Green just
shows up a little bit, if if alprin Shinun makes
a few more of those shots, he scored thirty one.

(01:54):
He had a great game, but he took twenty eight shots.
He missed that pushot at the end of the game,
and he wasn't a lot. He was lacking an efficiency
all game. On a night where Fred van Vlieg was
absolutely out of his mind, he goes eight of twelve
from three. You have to capitalize on that game. You
have to capitalize on Jimmy Butler being out on Saturday.

(02:15):
You can't lose both of these games against a Warriors
team that is very good and has good players. And
as I mentioned, Brandon Pajemski went off on the other side.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Jimmy Butler was very good.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
He was a perfect twelve of twelve from the free
throw line. But I think we can boil it down
to a number of things. But let's start with the
free throw line. They went twenty of twenty two. You
went nineteen of thirty one, nineteen of thirty one, and

(02:47):
you can't do that. You can't do that and expect
to win a game you lose by three, you miss
twelve free throws. Nobody assumes one hundred percent efficiency from
the free throw line. But you got to be better
than the Rockets were last night. A little bit of
it was. I mean, look, Shingoon went seven of ten.
That's a pretty good number for him. I'm not that

(03:08):
sad about it. But Aman Thompson missing a couple, Jalen
Green missing a couple, including one for a technical foul,
and then you had some bench guys each miss one
as well. It's you just added all up and you
just can't. You cannot shoot what they did in this
series and expect to win in the playoffs. And I

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understand they were the worst free throw shooting team in basketball.
Thirty out of thirty in the NBA and the regular season.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
But it wasn't this bad.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
It wasn't to this level because, yeah, I'm sorry, sixty
three point two percent. They're shooting from the free throw line.
They were horrible in the regular season and it wasn't
even close. They were thirtieth and there was a big
goal between twenty nine, but they were at seventy four percent.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
You're at sixty three percent.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Four games in, four games in You're still shooting this
poorly from the free throw line. How can you do that?
And what is going on with Jayalen Green? I mean,
I don't even know what to say anymore. I put
this out on my Twitter account last night or actually
in the middle of the night when I couldn't sleep
because I was on postgame till one am, and then
I just am staring at the ceiling because the Rocket

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squandered another opportunity. Jalen Green in the fourth quarter seven
minutes and two seconds played zero points, zero rebounds, zero assists,
zero blocks, zero steals, zero turnovers, one personal foul.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
You racked up just about as.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Many stats as Jalen Green did last night, and he
played seven minutes in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Seriously.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
He was pulled within three minutes of the third quarter,
starting when the Warriors went on a crazy eighteen to
one run, and he was a disaster in the first
quarter when he was turning the ball over like crazy.
He racked up five turnovers in twenty five minutes. Three
of those came in the first quarter, a couple of
them leading to transition buckets. With the Golden State orders,

(05:08):
I mean, you can't have that happen. You can't have
it to have it in the way that it did
happen when he's getting turned. When Jalen Green turns the
ball over, when he's being aggressive and he's going to
the basket and he loses it or he gets caught
in traffic, it's like, you know what, I kind of
understand that it's not the way I want it to go.
But I understand when he is just pulling the ball
up to the half court lazily and Buddy Healed is
just poking the ball away and going the other way,

(05:30):
that is not acceptable, or just dribbling lazily at the
top of the key and just completely loses the.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Ball out of nowhere with very little ball pressure. It's
the NBA.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
This can't happen, and it did, and very clearly Emodoka said,
I do not think he gives me the best chance
to win tonight, and he didn't, and so he hardly
played of all the starters, every starter over thirty.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Minut and it's on the floor. Jalen Green got twenty five.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
He finished with eight points, three rebounds, one assist. Now again,
I will say I like Jalen Green, I like the Rockets.
I want him to win, but very clearly, if this
continues series in and over, but it's look at close.
Rockets have some decisions to make, and that decision is
one of those big decisions in the offseason. Although I

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don't even know if they what kind of leverage they're
going to have to trade or move on with Jalen
Green because of the extension they sign him to. Is
where is Jalen Green's ceiling and how close is he
to it?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
He is twenty three years old.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
In my mind, he's gotten better every season as an
overall player. The points per game numbers haven't gotten better
every season, because he had twenty two points per game
in his second season. He was at twenty one points
last this past year. But he's gotten more efficient. He's
gotten stronger, he's gotten bigger, he's gotten more aggressed of
getting to the basket. I think his playmaking ability has

(07:02):
improved as well. It has been incremental improvement from Jalen Green.
I do want to make that clear. I do think
he's a much better player than he was when he
first came into the league. But it's it's been slow going.
We've been waiting for a leap in improvement. We've been
waiting for a big jump to where he establishes himself

(07:23):
as a superstar. And he does make plays that make
you say, whoa this? This kid can hoop. He's a hooper,
he's a baller. And you look at his highlight film,
Jalen Green's highlight film looks as good as anybody's in
the NBA.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
But it's the low lights.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
It's the inconsistency, it's not doing it night in, night out.
That's what separates the good from the great, and that's
what separates the great from the all time great. It's
how often can you turn in those performances? And very
clearly right now it's not happening for Jalen Green. So
the question Rockets have to ask themselves, is is this

(08:04):
our superstar, one of our top two players on the
team for championship championship success going forward?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
And I don't have the answer for you right now.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
You know, a recency bias three of the four first
playoff games he was in, says no. But we've seen
guys come in through their first playoff experience and take
some lumps and improve and get better from there. That's
the the half glass glass half full approach I can
give you if you'd like that. Hey, it's gonna get better.

(08:37):
He can't be much worse. He played himself off the court.
He's gonna learn from this. He's still young, and at
four games he seem to be four years into his
NBA career, he's still just twenty three years old. NBA
players do not peak at age twenty three, and you
don't really peak around age like twenty seven, twenty twenty nine,
even thirty. So I understand patients is wearing thin for

(09:02):
many of you, and I just wonder how that feels,
how they feel about it inside the building with the rockets,
because last night was I mean, it was abysmal.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
There's just no other way to put it.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Three times in this series single digit scoring performances. The
one time you won, he went off for thirty eight.
And that's been the Jalen Green experience and it was
frustrating to see last night from him to I honestly
was shocked when I went back and looked at the
box shoe, I say, he played seven minutes of the
fourth I didn't even notice him. Then you look at

(09:36):
a score line, you're like, oh, that's why I didn't
notice him. He didn't wrack up a stat So he's
got to be better. Albern Jingun was very good, especially
in that stretch when Draymond Green went out, but he's
got to be better. And you couldn't capitalize on Fred
van Vliet just completely going off and tip of the
cap to the other side. Draymond Green played great defense

(09:58):
despite playing a lot of the the fourth quarter with
four fouls. Jimmy Butler was really good and perfect at
the free throw line, and then Brandon freaking Perjemski was
going off, which was something that was a storyline coming
into the series. This is not crazy for him to
be dropping twenty six points on six of eleven threes.
So you add it all up. Rockets don't capitalize on

(10:19):
the opportunities. Jalen Green doesn't play well. They miss a
lot of free throws. You're down three to one in
the series. Coming back to Houston on Wednesday, six point thirty.
Start here on Sports Talk seven ninety. How are you
feeling about the Rockets is Jalen Green? Are you ready
to move on? I know a lot of you feel
that way, and I'm not gonna blame you. How close

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is he to his ceiling? And I just think it's
foolish to say his career is over at twenty three
and this is as good as he's ever gonna get.
But I also understand the frustration of watching him go
through the growing pains and hoping for bigger leaps in
production rather than the small incremental improvements have been seeing.

(11:01):
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(11:33):
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Speaker 2 (11:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Maybe he'll be here, maybe he won't, who knows. We
shall see. You can get into the phone lines seven
one three two one two five seven ninety seven one
three two one two five seven ninety. I just try
to as a fan, and especially as I get older
and I see more and more things, I see that
as things happen in sports, it's not all at once.

(11:59):
Things take time. Players need time to develop, players get better,
players improve, and then when the time is right, they
either have reached their full potential or it's time to
move on.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
And I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't even know.
I don't know on.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Like I said, a lot of you are like, oh,
Jalen Green, it's over, it's done, his career is over.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
And I'm like, and maybe I'm just being Jedi mind
tricked by.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
The highlights that he can make and how well he
can play, and even literally in this series, dropping thirty
eight points. We're talking after game two, we're talking about
how great he is and how good of a job
he did, carrying the Rockets with their backs against the
wall down one note one to zero in the series,
needing to win, to not head to Golden State in

(12:44):
an O two hole. But you collect more data and
then it's you get a bigger sample size and you
have more reason to make decisions or formulate opinions. And
these last two games, I mean, and adding it with
game one, I mean, if we take Game two out,
which you can't, you cannot, is a thirty eight point game,

(13:07):
it's huge. We're talking about seven points, nine points, eight points.
And this for a guy's score. It's not like he's
some you know, great ball distributor. If if Fred van
Vlietz goes scoring six points, he's probably got like ten assists,
so he can do that. He's not tasked with being
the engine of the offense as much as Jalen Green is.

(13:28):
But you can't have these no show performances. You can't
have him just playing him. He played himself off the
floor with the bad turnovers. I think at some point,
coach Udoka was like, you know what, he's hurting us
more than he's helping us. We can win without him.
We're gonna go and try to do it. And they're
one shot away. But this team is better with Jalen
Green on the floor at his best. You're just not

(13:50):
getting him on the floor at his best consistently enough
for coach Udoka to continue playing playing him as is.
He's average jing fifteen points per game in the series,
shooting thirty nine percent from the field, thirty one percent
from three, sixty percent from the free throw line.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
It's not good enough.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's not seven one three two one two five seven ninety.
The phone number if you'd like to get in seven
one three two one two five seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Cameron is on the phone lines. What's up.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Ross?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I'm going crazy?

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Man, I don't know's.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
I feel like we are sisiphus and uh the Warriors
are that freaking rock.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
No, please don't say that.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Cavon, You're probably right, and I wish you wouldn't say it.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Jamie Butler's got a broken butt and it goes perfect
from the free throw line. Man, Like, listen, I I'm overweight,
I'm functional fat. I've got no business being on a core,
but you know what I probably could do better than
then right now? Sure, a free throw. It's insane. I'm
going crazy, man. Props to Adams and props to Thompson
because they were putting in a lot of effort, and
Vanfley too, But with Jalen Green, he's like following the

(15:01):
James Harden playbook. Ball out in the regular season, be
a bum in the playoffs, and then ball out of treasures.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I'm out, well, I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
I don't know if Jalen Green is heading to the
Strip club after the games. Allah James Harden, But honestly,
I'm gonna tell you that comparison is not fair because
Jalen Green hasn't touched anywhere near to how great of
a player James Harden was. He just hasn't. James Harden
won an MVP. James Harden is a multiple time scoring champion.

(15:31):
James Harden is a multiple multiple time assist champion, and
whether you like it or not, he's going into the
Hall of Fame, and deservedly so if you if you
ask me, he changed the game a lot with the
way that he played clutch shots. He missed a lot
of clutch shots, and he had a lot of dud
performances for sure, So I understand that. But James Harden

(15:53):
had a lot of big playoff.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Momentsweight the bad Jalen I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Well, you don't know, but he Coach Ydoka knows. Coach
Joka said, I do not want him near the floor
in the last three minutes of this game, and he
wasn't so in that moment in that game. Coach i Medoka,
who is around him in every practice, every meeting and
has been around him now for two years, said my
team is better off having Jalen Green off this floor

(16:20):
than on, and that's problematic for the Rockets organization going forward.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
I didn't like the shot. I didn't like the shing
gun shot.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
I thought that was the kind of he got money,
and he had made some nice buckets all night.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
But I'm like, dude, game on the line. It was
a little bit too far.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
He would liked him be a couple of feet closer
for that one handed push shot. But also he gets
muscled up by Draymond Green. That's another thing. Look Alprin
Shingun were giving him a pass because he had thirty
one points, but he took twenty eight shots. It's not
like he was twelve to twenty eight. He's been shooting
consistently all year. For somebody who takes no threes and
is a six foot eleven big man, you should be

(16:57):
shooting over fifty percent from the field, and he wasn't
over Now he's very close to over fifty percent, but
early in his career is fifty five percent.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
He's gone down in.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Field goal percentage for three straight years. And one of
the things we talked about with Alpe is him missing
those easy bunnies at the rim, and that was happening
last night.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
It was a big problem.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
In Game three, it was at least better to where
when Draymond Green got into foul trouble, I mean he feasted.
He was just scoring on everybody and he was unstoppable.
Problem is Draymond Green checks back into the game and
he's largely ineffective because Draymond is just too smart and
positions himself well and he's too strong, and exactly what
happened on that last possession is what Draymond Green does

(17:37):
to him. He keeps him out those extra couple of
feet out from the paint that really limits his I
mean it gets it's like exponential. Every extra foot oupring
gets away from the basket, the least effective he's going
to be all the way out to the three point line,
where he's a very poor three point shooter.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm rewatching that last play. Don't do it.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
When Ching dun misses, Dylan Brooks is just hanging on
the wing, and Jimmy Butler is this guy, and so
Steven Adams has good positioning under the rim, but Jimmy
Butler comes over from the other side and Dylan Brooks
is like five feet away from Like you don't even
give yourself a chick. It's basically like we were either
gonna win it with that shot or it's game over.

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As Jimmy Butler goes and gets the rebound, that's it
because he had missed the free throw. You know, all
night like he was making everything. So you know, as
soon as he gets the rebound, you follow him. He's
gonna make the next two. It's gonna be a three
point game. Like it was six point two seconds left too.
When that ball kind of rims out, I just I
don't know, man, In hindsight, it's like I'd rather you
all crash the boards. This is the game. This is

(18:37):
the game. If Alburn does not make this bucket and
they get the rebound, it's over.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I mean, you got Jabbari and Adams in there, but
they're getting boxed out.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I mean it was. It was a good job by
the Warriors and good defense by Draymond. Good defense by Draymond.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
They clearly were okay with the isolation with Alprin Shingun
working on him. He scored on him before, but just
not in that moment. He came up short. I mean,
honest is what it is. It's unfortunate, man. It's just
if that goes in. There's six seconds left.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Warriors probably day had a time out left, so they
probably all the time out, you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Draw something up.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
You're gonna take aut Me off the court, you're gonna
switch everything, and then you're gonna see what happens.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
So I mean, in all honestly, Steph probably hits a
game winning three there.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
All right, you don't have to Well, you're probably not
wrong because he was. He didn't do anything all game long,
and then he would do that, but.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Makes those miracle thing just like you and I could
try that one thousand times one would go in.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, all right, we're gonna take a quick break. Well,
he is the greatest shooter to ever walk the planet.
We just have to remember that. Uh, Chris Gordy here
hanging out. You guys on the phones, will get to
you in a second. Seven one three two one two
five seven ninety is the phone number.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Rockets are down three to one. We're talking about that.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Astros get a win in the series opener against the
Detroit Tigers eight to five. We can talk about that
as well. Anything else you want to get to in
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(20:08):
But now Matt Thomas is here. I don't know, Yes,
he is here on the phone lines. Where are you
currently right now, mister Thomas.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
I'm on Mission Street in the middle of downtown San
Francisco and we're leaving on our bus leaves in about
twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Oh that's great, So we got a few minutes with you.
How depressed are you right now? One to ten.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Nine point eight. It's fine before.

Speaker 6 (20:39):
Uh yeah, I mean five percent of the teams have
done it. I mean, that's it's true. I'm exasperated, frankly
the sheer number of miss free throws which has plagued
this team really all season long, especially of playoffs. I'm
exasperated about Jalen Green's mind boggling box score in this

(21:01):
playoff series. I'm exasperated by the fact that Draymond Green
got away with what he got away with yesterday for
the upteenth time. And I don't even I don't even
know if there's a term ross it is beyond umpteenth,
But whatever it is, I need you.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
To create it, because him getting called.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
For a flagrant foul when he pulled Tari East, New
Jersey is the most ridiculous call I've ever seen in
my entire life. That was the epitome of a technical foul.
That's a Joe would have been his second and he
would have been ejected.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
They're protecting him, I mean the they literally it's like
the call came in from Adam Silver or somebody said
do what you can to keep him in because this,
say is the second time this sappened this year. Where
he got a tech early in the game, and then
he got another one that should have been a tech
that they called a flagrant to keep him in the game.

Speaker 6 (21:45):
Yeah, and I try to keep my emotions in check
when I'm calling the game. But my son texted me
in the second quarter when all that stuff was going down,
and he's like, Dad, are you okay? And I'm like,
not really, I am. I'm beyond And again, it's not
dreamond the reason why this team is down in the series.
But I don't know what has happened to the NBA

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because I give it the benefit of the doubt a
lot of times.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I know that officiating is difficult.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
I know that you have to expect that sort of
physicality and gamesmanship, but it's a travesty the amount of
leeway he has given and has been given since basically
he left Michigan State. By the way, tom Izzo was
in the crowd last time I saw him after the game.
But that's not even the I mean, I'm just I'm
so disappointed that the free throw numbers have been so bad.

(22:37):
I'm so disappointed that Jalen Green has not stepped up
except for that game too, and clearly he can come
back and help help this team out.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
But this this is too.

Speaker 6 (22:47):
Close of a series where the little little details make
a difference. The sluggish start to open the first quarter,
the eighteen to one starting to start the third quarter,
the miss free throws, and then Jalen just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
What if Golden State's defensively putting.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
In the work against him, or Jalen just looks like
he's not involved in the offense. Because when Alping took
over last night, it was fun to see the mid
range shot. Obviously towards the end, notwithstanding, Fred was hitting threes,
Dylan was doing his thing. Jabari helped out in small
doses as well. They're Golden SIT's a better team in

(23:23):
the series. I mean, I can't argue that, but it's
just so close, and every little detail matters, and the
Rockets in the intangible factor are losing just about every
one of the competitions.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, that's another thing matter to me.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
It's I mean, Fred van Vlietz, what he just did
in that game, he's not gonna do again in this series.
In all likelihood, Amen Thompson was knocking down his shots.
You you wasted those performances in a playoff series, like,
for example, on the flip side, the Warriors aren't gonna
get what they got from Brandon Pagenski every single night
they capitalized on it. In a playoff series, you're gonna
have those scenarios where your role players or your lesser

(23:58):
players go off and you gotta capitalise and win those games.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
And Buddy Heal is we were kind of teasing with
some folks here in the Golden State area about how
up and down his time as a Warrior has been.
He helped you out into offensively in Game three and
the defense of Kibosh, and he put on jailing Green
with all those first quarter turnovers, and that was just
Buddy Heal poking the ball away. That was just the
aggressiveness that they needed. And Steve Curven said after the game,

(24:24):
but not for Buddy Heeld's defense, especially in the first half,
it might have been a different basketball game. They're getting
the intangibles, they're getting, the role players, they're getting taking
advantage of the home court, and it's just again, it's been.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
It's just it's been. It's been tough.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
I I normally go to bed and don't think about
the game and don't have nightmares about the game. But
I all my dreams and nightmares last night were about
the game because I A. I don't like the Warriors. B.
I like, I have zero respect for Draymond Green. And see,
this is a building that you know, the Rockets have
come in here and been closed two different times not
to at least take one away. And oh, by the way,

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Jimmy Butler goes and makes his free throws eleven? What
it was eleven eleven, twelve, twelve, twelve, twelve twelve. I
mean I stopped counting after all. I guess that Dylan
that was questionable. It was like you knew he was
gonna make all three.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Then I felt like Matt Game three, the fourth quarter
that got away from him. But this one, even when
they had the ball with thirteen seconds ago, I felt
like they were gonna win. It felt like they were
playing so well even despite the free throw advantage.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I thought they were gonna hit the game winner and
they were going on to win this one. Yeah, I
mean they had two looks at it.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
Alpi's min range has been up and down so far
in this series, but he really played well in the
second half last night. So if it was a time
for him to be the hero. That would have been it.
And Fred I don't know how that play was run
up per se, but you know he did get a
look at the three point shot.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
It was well short, so there were some opportunities.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
This, I mean, this one really really stings because again,
you played so poorling the first five minutes. It came back.
You played so poorling the first three minutes of the
third quarter, and you were resilient and you didn't you
didn't wave the white fly. You went and got back
in the basketball game. A men was euro stepping as
way boys as you washed throughout the course of the game,

(26:18):
hitting every mid range shot. The Amen Thompson that we
had been waiting for this entire series showed up. And
the free throw line is just a bitter enemy. And again,
this is a team that shot about seventy four percent
during the regular season, that which is worse among the
thirty NBA teams. But it's even taken a significant drop.
And that includes Alpi, that includes a men sixty three

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in the series.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I mean, you.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
Against Golden State, who Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry could
they could you could turn them around like a mascot
close their eyes and flip it over their shoulder and
still make eighty five percent. You just when you're going
on the road and you're playing in a building you
haven't won in very much in your last five or
six years, regardless if it's with James or with Ross
or with Chris or this new group, you just can't

(27:07):
lay points on the floor. No one's expecting to make
one hundred percent. But if this team shot even their
season average Ross, there might be a victory among these
last two. Yeah, and then before we get you out, Matt.
I just thought it was extremely telling and disappointing that
at the end of this game, Imidoka says, Jalen Green
is not helping me win this game.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
He will be on the bench.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
This is a franchise corners hopeful, franchise cornerstone player. They
took him number two overall. He has improved as he's
gone along in his career. But with your backs against
the wall, down to one on the road, your coach said,
I do not need Jalen Green to win this game.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
He hardly played in the third qurt. I think he
played less than four minutes, and I don't know what
the Emmick. He started the fourth quarter with a good stretch.
But the fourth quarter box score, which they can give
you individually if you want to choose on the and
the web.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, I tweeted us. I mean, there was nothing but zeros.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
And that's hard to stomach because I'm a Jalen Green guy.
And I've heard you took before the show tonight before
I came on, talking about him, and you know there
is progression in his career. He has gotten better, but
there were young men on that basketball floor. Blandon Perjemski,
second year player in the NBA. The lights weren't too
big for him, and he came through on a night
were Frankly, you helped.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Steffa to what seventeen last night? Boys. I mean, you're
supposed to win games.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
When Curry is airballing three point shots, He's going to
get a couple because that's how he was built. But
you held him in check and you let Pajemsky knock
them down. You didn't let Gary Payton become a difference maker.
Buddy Heal was early effective on but didn't do a
whole lot after that. It was Pajemski and Jimmy Butler
attracting free throws, doing what he's doing, hitting the mid range.

(28:45):
And that's why the Game three loss perhaps even hurts
even more because you had a chance without Jimmy going
to the free throw on like he does and making
those mid range just to steal one away. And you know,
now we're coming back and unfortunately Ross it is they
must win Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Well, oh hope Phil's lost though, Matt.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
I think if they can come back and find a
way to win this one, you can remind yourselves you
were the two seed in the West for a reason.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
I don't think it's crazy. I mean again, you got
it's one game at a time, but win this one.
You know you can play, You can win in that building.
You've done it this year. So we'll visit game six
when we get there. But find a way to win
this one.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, they haven't been blown out.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
These last two games were very, very very winnable basketball games.
I just the unf Yeah, you have to you have
to change a storyline. And I think May on this
long flight back to Houston's gonna be thinking about that lineup.
And we've seen Steve Kerr, how many Lamps guys as
Steve Kurthront that we played foot four games and these
put up four different lineups. I think it's the point.
I mean, it's they're making adjustments and maybe it's time.

(29:51):
Maybe EMA's thinking about maybe I can do the same
same exact thing. Yeah, some won't keep an eye on. Matthew.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Thank you, and save travels here to Houston and any
final words. I have no final words except I hate
the Warriors. Well don't we all here in Houston? Thank you, Matthew.
Matt Thomas here with us. He is traveling with the Rockets.
He'll be back tomorrow in studio with us. Right now,
Chris Cordy's hanging out. It's a Rockets therapy Tuesday, is

(30:18):
what it sounds like here on a Sports Talk seven
ninety those You on hold, I promise we'll get to
you next. We had to get Matt Thomas there. We
got gut feelings coming up.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Later on.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
We'll have Adam Clanton joining as well, Joe a Spotted joining.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
We'll get some astro stuff as well.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
But right now we are hurting Rockets down three to
one in their first round series, and it's the freaking
Golden State Warriors again. You can talk about it. It's
seven one three two one two five seven ninety seven
one three two one two five seven ninety Back in
a moment here on The Matt Thomas Show with Ross.
Continuing along on The Matt Thomas Show with Ross. Game

(30:53):
number five for the Rockets on Wednesday here on Sports
Talk seven ninety It'll be Adam and or Adam more,
one of the Adams or some combination hitherto for the
pre game. I'll be with you for the post game.
It must win Wednesday at Toyota Center. Rockets up to
four and a half point favorites.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
In that one.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
So for the love of God, just win. Just win, baby.
That's what we need, and hopefully we can continue to
get that as the series goes along. It's not feeling great.
What was it five percent? I think of teams have
come back from a three to one deficit and one
probably the majority of those have been the teams with

(31:32):
home court advantage.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
So at least you have that, you got that. I mean,
it's literally it's just got to be one game mindset.
I mean, we'll find a way to win Wednesday, and
then we'll the next game. We can talk about how
to go winning Golden stef I mean, that's just that's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
One game at a time, folks. How much would it
suck to go to a seven and a loose heer though, oh,
don't even mention that please. Then that happened.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
That was against the Utah Jazz of like, I don't know, man,
that had to be like two thousand and two or
three or four somewhere.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
It was the It was the McGrady era of Rockets.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Every team won every home game in that series, I
think except for Game seven, the Rockets lost at home
to Carlos Boozer and Mimo O Corps in the Utah
Jazz Boozer before he was spray painting his head, right,
I think it was a round the spray paint era
before he was putting shoe polish on his head, which
I think is seems like a cancer risk.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
Well, and of course the Western Conference Finals in eighteen
launch we're not.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Talking about that play three. You don't talk about that
one either. Come on, man, it's according freaking warriors. Marvin
and Mattagorda.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
What's up, hey, guys, you've hit on most of it.
They hit on it this morning two on Shuance show.
It just you know, it's an experience factor, I think,
and that that you know, you had to call her
call in call talking about comparison with James and Jalen
that it's two different things that but one thing I
noticed was Jalen he just he's been that player, whether

(32:55):
regular season or postseason that if you know, you get
in to pick his pocket, there trips up the court
and then the thing implodes sixteen to one run. But
you know, it just he just I don't know, he's
not a physical player. He did when it comes to
the postseason. And I agree with Matt, the league's got
to clean it up some. I mean, you know, you're
playing the dirtiest team with in terms of the dirtiest player,

(33:19):
and and it just that it's been a problem. But
Jalen he just he can't handle that physicality. He's I
don't want to call anybody saw, especially a hometown guy.
I don't want to call him timid. But man, you know,
to waste the game, that's good Fred, Like you said,
is Fred going to have that kind of game again?
It just sits there. For forgiven there's a ton of talent.

(33:42):
They may be out you know have more talent, but man,
you got to show it. I think of what Larry
Bird said, you know, in terms of free throws on
a thirty thirty one time, I believe it was perishing him.
It's a free throw. They call it a free throw
for a reason, and that you know, we can't just
harp on that. But man, I'm like you, I thought,

(34:02):
with thirteen seconds, say, we're going to figure out a
way to win it. We'd seen him win a lot
of regular season games that way. But I guess if
there's any good news to it all, I think they're
all playing for second place anyway. Even if the Lakers
mounted come back. There's nobody's beating the Oka see so.
But but it's just it's sad that the way that
it went down, because it just I don't know the

(34:23):
physicality there at the end that maybe it's the old
man's strength as they call it a sun till that.
I don't know, it's just it. But I felt bad
for Jay I do it, man, he's a good player.
He's got a ton of talent. A bunch of them
do sorry. They all got talent, you know, And then
trying to make it around these two experience guards. And

(34:44):
truth of the matter is, you know, we've got the
one player that's kind of like Draymond, not to that extent,
but you know he will take hisself out of the game.
We're doing the same thing at times. So all right,
I don't know. I'm hoping.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I'm up. Yeah, Yeah, we're hoping. Marvin, thank you appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I don't know how bad I feel for Jalen Green.
I mean, he got a big extension, he got paid
some big money in this offseason.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
But it's big boy Tom.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
It's put up for shut up Tom like he well
he was on the bench, I know, but that's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Like you, we think you're in alpha. Ghost shows you're
in alpha, and we're finding he is not in Alpha.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
So I can't sit around and wait year after year
for Jalen Green to become that top two pick. I
can't sit around to wait any longer. Like good player,
you're not great. I need greatness. The Rockets need greatness
to take that step forward. And that's where you know,
we'll have all off season to talk about do you
trade for Giannis? Do you trade for Durant? But last night,

(35:42):
Ross down the stretch. Who was the difference maker, Jimmy
freaking Butler. If they didn't have Jimmy Butler, you'd be
this series might be over by now.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
You probably you could sweep that team for row if
they didn't have Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
If they didn't have Jimmy Butler, they don't even make
the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Yeah, yeah, they don't win the playing game probably against
uh yeah, and that m'lies right now.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I do want to again say Jalen Green has gotten
better every year to me as a player in the NBA,
but it's been small increments. He hasn't made the huge leap,
at least not consistently.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
We see it.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
We've seen it for nine games this year. We saw
it for the month of March the year before, and.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
When he wins a Player of the Month, great, and
then he disappears.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
For a month. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
So that's what the rocket to have to figure out
and going forward is that spark and that fire that
we see from him sometimes?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Can he.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Harness that and make it more consistent because clearly, again
I cannot stress enough how much of an indictment of
his play this was that coach Udoka said backs against
the Wall We do not need Jalen Green on this
floor at the end of the game. He is hurting
us more than he's helping us. We're gonna go somewhere else.
That's crazy and disappointing. Let's get James inclined real quick

(37:01):
here he was holding earlier.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
What's up, James. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (37:05):
Two things that I wish it would have happened last
night is when Raymond got his fifth found, they put
him back in the game. I felt like they should
have tried to get that sixth found get him out
of the game. That would have been kind of a
moral support there. And I thought they made Butler's game
way too easy. He was too comfortable all that long
for a guy that's supposed to be coming off an entry.
I wish at least fix or something something to get
him off his game, but they never did. Those are

(37:26):
the two things I wish they had done last night.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
Well, it's the damned if you do, it's like, okay,
well they're trying to double stuff and make sure he
doesn't get the shots off.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
It's like, you're worried about this guy.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
That guy Padjemski's making you die every time he hits
a third, So it's like, you know, they can't defend everybody.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
They got weapons and they just they have dudes.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
To me, your focus still needs to be on stuff
because he's the special one that can do special things.
And they had him flustered for much of the night.
Ross like he's making dumb passes. They're they're jumping in
the cutoff lanes and getting steals like it.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
They did a good job for the most part.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
If yeah, and they had they have better players and
and they've played better in this series. And Jimmy Butler
did his thing, making all twelve of his free throws,
and he did a good job from the floor. And
you know, if if if we put these two rosters
Gordy on a draft board, when when does the first
rocket get taken? Steph Curry's first, probably Jimmy Butler's next.

(38:25):
Do you go dream on third? Or do you go Shingoon?
Or who's the third person off the board?

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Is it Shingoon?

Speaker 5 (38:31):
Maybe probably Shinggoon, but I mean you then it's probably
dreaming at the very least, it's probably three of the
top four first off the board, or maybe I mean Thompson,
you get in there.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
But he has been so inconsistent offensively. It's man.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Going into this series, I knew it was gonna be tough.
I picked the Rockets in seven. There has been a
number of clothes. Every game has been at least close
in the fourth quarter. Well, the Rockets really kept the
Warriors at bay in the fourth quarter of their of
their win. But the other game have been basically one
possession games in the fourth quarter and close.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
At least in the to the mid of the fourth quarter.
It's just been the little things.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So and when when it's that type of series, you
can't miss the free throws. You can't have stupid turnovers
even early in the game like Jalen Green was having.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I mean, this is this is the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Backs against the wall and you come out of the gate,
turn the ball over like that. Lack of days ago,
driving and and and bringing up the ball and letting book.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
No, focus exactly. It's a great word, lack of focus.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
In big moments.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I think that's what costs Jalen Green early on, and
I think that's what cost.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Him being in the game late.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
I think they man, especially that last possession you give,
you open up your offense. If Jalen Green is on
the floor and he may. Dooka said, Nope, we're not
putting him on the floor. He's not closing this game.
And that's a huge statement I feel like made by
Coachi Dooka in San Francisco last night and early into

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early I did.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
It was just like that Clipper series, you know, a
decade ago at James Harden where they said it it
was the right decision. I mean, if he's not on
and he's hurting you, sorry, go take a seat.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
All right.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
We got to take another break here. Our number one
of the Matt Thomas Show is in the books. You
guys want to get in you can seven one three
two one two five seven ninety seven one three two
one two five seven ninety We've been heavy on the Rockets.
We'll also talk to them astros. We also have Adam
Clanton showing up. We also got gut feelings coming up
at eleven thirty.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Even if I don't feel it in my gut.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
I'm gonna predict the Rockets to win Game five, at
least for the gut feelings that's coming up as well.
And you at seven one three two one two five
seven ninety seven one three two one two five, seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
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It was about Barry.

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Speaker 2 (42:53):
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Speaker 1 (42:54):
Uh, I think I would disagree. But I also think
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we can talk to Mashros. We've been talking some rockets
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Speaker 2 (43:25):
Ninety can ask you something rockets related? Yes? Please? How
badly did you want?

Speaker 5 (43:29):
Like I wanted to jump through the screen and strangle
Draymond at one point last night?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
I didn't want to strangle him. This is just what
he does. This is like getting mad at a dog
for barking. Draymond Green is doing what Draymond Green does.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
He does this stuff like when your mom turns her
back and you hit your brother.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, he does that, or like you stick out an
elbow like for example, he tricks people all the time.
He tricked Reggie Miller, he tricks Golden State fansh.

Speaker 10 (43:56):
This is man.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I'm carried out.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
I was like, that's what you do, Like you said,
when you're like wrestling around with your cousins and your
parents are watching and you want to throw a little
extra elbow into the ribs, I'm like.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Oh, mom my momentum. Yeah it was an accident.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Oh my leg went up and I accidentally kicked him
in the nuts. Man, it was an accident. Yeah, that's
what Draymond Green Green does. He conducts himself like a child.
He gets in between those lines and he starts a
bunch of bleep. He talks a bunch of trash, and
then he hits people like an eight year old who's
got emotional issues and then beats up on their cousins.

(44:32):
That's what he does, That's who he is. And I
wasn't shocked in the least that they didn't give him
a second technical foul. I was watching that play saying,
that is a technical foul. I don't think they're gonna call.
They are not going to throw him out of this game,
and they didn't.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
And if anything, what they do is they're giving him
a pass. Shouldn't it be the opposite, shouldn't it be
cracking down on him even more to set an example
going this is not how you play the game of
basketball here at the NBA, your cheap shots and all
this other crap. Like we're setting, we're drawing the line
saying don't be this. It says the opposite. They give

(45:09):
him a leash, they lay him, do a little extra
because oh, that's just how he is. It reminds me
of the old legion of Boom defense with the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Richard Sherman was grabbing hold of everybody all the time.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
But that's just how he plays his physical Yeah, it's like,
why do is he gonna pass it?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
And then you do it and it's you know, flag.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
It reminds me of there is an episode of The
Simpsons where like Lisa gets a B on a paper
or something like that and everybody's mad at her and
Bart gets a C and they're like, oh, great job, Bart,
We're so proud of you. It's the baseline that is
so the you move the goalpost because he's always acting crazy.
He's punching people, raking him in the face, kicking him

(45:49):
in the nuts, kicking him in the head, and so
when he just does a little infraction and what really
in this series for Draymond's standards.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
He's been behaving himself.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
You give him that extra anyway because of how far
he's already pushed the boundaries.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I think that's really what it is. We're gonna let
them slide.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, I think Chief that's not that bad, not Hanka's
area level, but pretty solid. So yeah, that that's just
basically to me what it is.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
It's that he's set that line. And I think Dylan
Brooks does it too.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I think Dylan Brooks has gotten away with some stuff
as well, So it goes both ways to that extent.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Now, Draymond Green and Dylan Brooks are on different planes.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
I died last night. There were Warriors fans on social media.
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I see this before you tabs fan.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Them going see this is why Dylan Brooks is such
a dirty player. And I'm like, get the bleep out
of here, Like, see, Dylan, you can't do this in
the playoffs. He's gonna cost his team the game. He's
going to cost his team. We like, what do you
think the other idiot on your team is doing?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
In Draymond? Yeah, And that's just it.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
That's just how the homersm is and it's even worse
on it because in Twitter you get in these hives
and and it just it's even worse.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
You go down further and further people.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
With the ringer and stuff like just say you hate
Dylan Brooks. Just say it, because if you can.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Just hold him to that standard and not Draymond.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Well, Dylan Brooks didn't need to do what he did.
He didn't need to go punch the ball out of
Steph Curry's hands. He didn't need to go do what
he did. He was starting some stuff too. He deserved it.
He deserved his technical foul.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Steph is on the ground and so he did held
up to in his face.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Because earlier he yeah because so so uh. Dylan Brooks
got a foul and he was like, I just got
one foul, It's just one foul. Then he got his
second foul. So Steph Curry, look, Dylan Brooks got a taunting.
He got a taunting technical foul. So he did and
he put up his two and he's like, hey man,
you got two fouls. Yeah, they're they're trash talking. Honestly

(47:44):
that that should like be let go on both sides.
In my opinion, I I don't think a taunting should
ever be a penalty.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I think it's fun.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I think it makes the game interesting and you get
stuff where guys are mixing it up like this, but
you know, and if somebody wants to, oh, it's gonna
start fights, were then throw him out of the game,
thinking whatever m was, move on. I also think, I
mean another topic of discussion, can we just get hockey
fights in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Wouldn't you like to.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
See Draymond Green and Dylan Brooks just throw down at
center court and then they're like, all right, five minutes
in the penalty box.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
We'll see you guys in five. That'd be cool.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
The hardest part, too, is the crap about, well, the
first guy you just get a flagrant because you you started,
but the second guy retaliated and you are a technical,
you are you know, tee him up.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
That's how it goes. And there was another into.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
The last night when they were having all discussion and
all the hubbub and Draymond and all this, and he
walks and blterally bumps the reft with his arm and
the reft under it, and I'm like, dude, like, why
do they let.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Him get away with it? I don't know. The minute
your ass touches me, you're teeed up. Yeah, he could
have been thrown out of the game a couple of times.
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
And he knows what he's doing when he's laying his
legs onto Tarry Easton. That's why Tarry Easton got up
and got into his face. Then he grabs his jersey.
That should be a technical foul. Be a technical foul.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
He should be out of the game. It's like, ah,
that's the fact.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
And then Alpern Shingden probably dominates in the middle of
that game and they win the game.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
It's like a politician or a or a celebrity you
just love and you just give them a pass.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Well, let's hear him out. No, he's dirty, he is.
That's up.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
All right, We're gonna take another break here on the
Matt Thomas Show with Ross, it's just yeah, it's on. Uh.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
When they're out of the playoffs. There he's on the
panels and all that. And he's got a podcast, just
go do that.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, he's got a good personality, does a good job
explaining the game. I think in the in the booth
he's gonna be very good post playing career whenever that is.
He is one of the great defenders of all time.
But he's also he's a psychopath. He's got a screw loose.
He's got a screw loose. When he gets in between
those lines, he does crazy stuff. He blacks out and
loses control of his body. I guess I don't know

(49:52):
what he's doing in there. It's ridiculous and he should
have been thrown out of that game last night. Absolutely
all right, we're gonna take that break. As I said
here on The Matt Thomas Show with Ross, we got
gut Feelings coming up at eleven thirty. We'll have Joe
A Spotty coming up later on the show. We got
Adam Clinton, we got you, we got some Rockets. We've
been talking you want to get an Astros anything you
want seven one three two one two five seven ninety

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seven one three two one two five seven ninety And
there's a suggestion that a lot of people have been
making as far as a lineup change for the Rockets.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I don't think they should do it.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
We'll talk about it when we come back here on
The Matt Thomas Show with Ross.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Thanks to Chris Gory.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
For hanging out he's got some very important stuff to do,
so he'll be ducking out for a bit.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
We'll get Adam kleint Moore, Raymond hate cliffs.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Uh, Draymond hate cliffs? All right, Well, you don't need
that hate in your heart?

Speaker 5 (50:42):
Is he number one for ranking villains Houston Sports Villa
sports Villains?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
He's number one all the time for me.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I don't know if there's some guy in the nineteen
seventies and I'm not thinking of or something that people hated,
but it's Draymond Green for me, number one and it
ain't even close.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Who is my guy? Last night?

Speaker 5 (50:57):
That peacock the home run for the Tigers. Uh oh bias,
Hovey bias.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Hobby bias. Yeah, I might he's he's moving up that list.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
I think Aaron Judge is probably up the list, yeah,
just because I mean, remember when he did the whole
jose L Twov holding his jersey thing after hitting a
home run.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I remember that. Joe Kelly's still up there. Oh Joe Kelly.
What a jerk, What a dumb ass?

Speaker 1 (51:21):
He hits He hits Astro's players because they threw Alex
Cora under the bus, the same Alex Cora that was
in part of two chating scandals, including one.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
When you were there, what did the pouty face?

Speaker 5 (51:36):
Oh my god, I saw somebody I know on Twitter
posted a video they were in like a collectible store
in LA and it was like all this legendary Dodger
stuff and in the middle of all of it, like name,
like the greatest Dodgers It was Fernando. It was memorabilia, autographed,
and in the middle of it was assigned autograph mural
of Joe Kelly doing the pouting and they're like, oh,

(51:56):
this is a great one here.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, he didn't even do It was a middle of COVID.
It was a regular season game that didn't even matter,
like why are you.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Because they're a bunch of losers whatever, and they needed
to hang on to that because they couldn't win a
World Series. And then they spent five billion dollars and
then they won a World Series. Congratulations, Dodgers were all
Proudy is.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
There a Texans villain? I guess the chiefs uh Pat Mahomes.
Holmes is likable though it's it sucks. I don't know, man,
he flops around, that's true. Likable as overstaping.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, I could be annoyed by by the cockiness and
the flopping of one. Pat Mahomes. He's great, I mean
he's an all time great, deservedly so. But he got
his ass kicked in the Super Bowl. Let me think
who is the biggest who? Who did the Texans hate

(52:50):
more than anyone else? I mean it probably was for
a while. They're Vince young Colts.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Wasn't there like one of their linebackers talking trash?

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Wasn't it was it e J? Speeds a year now?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yeah, I can't remember who it was.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
Oh you know what? You know who their rival is?
Amy Adams Trunk? Okay, the Titans stupid? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (53:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
But who's like the Titans great?

Speaker 12 (53:13):
This?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Derrick Henry was great, but now he's a Baltimore Raven.
They did a pretty good job. I respected the hell
out of Derrick Henry. Yeah, I'd be like, here he goes.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
No, he ran for like two hundred yards like three
times on the on the Texans.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
What sucks as if cam Ward ends up being good.
He's a kid right down the road.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Well, you told us he's going to be a bus
locked on sec Come on, man, I don't think he's
skept gonna be that great.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Well, I hope you're right, because if if you're right,
that was a very very good draft for the Texans.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
If Cam Wwarden is.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Not the guy, and that the the Jaggs traded away
a first round pick for Travis Hunter, who was going
to be good.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
But to what level and how much is he going
to play on both sides?

Speaker 5 (53:50):
I think he gets burned out and like week five,
he gets hurt because he's playing so much on both sides.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
I think I made, uh, you know what, we got
gut feelings coming up in like ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I think it's like a tany Are we ever gonna
see him pitch again?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
I don't know he's got has he had Tommy done twice?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Now. I think they're like, this isn't working, bro, you
can't play both sides.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, but you can't make seventy million dollars and not
play both sides. Seventy million dollars just to DH and
not play the field is pretty crazy.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
They were breaking it down, like do you know this
actually saves the Jaguars money because it's a one less
position they have to fill. I'm like, he's the time,
full time receiver.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I would be shocked.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
If he plays full snaps at both I think it'll
be probably one side and then the smattering of snaps
on the other, and then within a few years he
it might just be like a handful of snaps in
crucial situations. And even then they're just gonna run a
couple tunnel screens for him as a wide receiver and
he's gonna play cornerback.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
Can I give you a guy that's gonna be a
new text, a new Astros villain? Okay, coming up? I
think it's in June or July in a two week span.
The Astros go to Boston for three. All right, come
here for Boston. What if Alex Bregman absolutely crushes in
those series.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Well, what if he goes oh for he goes one
for fifteen.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Well, then pat him on the back and say it, Bud,
all right, he could crush.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
I don't think he's gonna crush because I don't think
he's that good against really good pitching, which the Astros have.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I really funny to go from fan favorite to villain.
Carl's Corea wasn't booed.

Speaker 11 (55:20):
Again.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Carlos Beltram was booed for like a decade. I was
like something, y'all need to get over this, like relax,
pooh holes, pooh holes the worst. But he was never
once he got to the age. I think of guys
who were here, Garrett Cole wasn't booed, and now he's
got Tommy John, George Springer, I think people still love.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah, who else? I mean, we can go through.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
He got through a laundry list of astros who left recently,
Kyle Tucker.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Kyle Tucker.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I don't think it was booed. That wasn't his fault.
He didn't leave as a free agent.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
I saw a headline yesterday it was like, the Cubs
are back, folks, this is for real because of Kyle Tucker.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Well, that's that's why they did. You know, people are saying,
why did the Cubs make this move? Why did they
do this? Because they were going all in on this
season because they wanted to win.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
But they better pay him if they let him walk,
that's what you lost that trade.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah, we'll see. They were trying to make the playoffs.
Who is the Cub's general manager or the president of
Baseball ops or whoever they were trying to Yeah, Jed
Hoyer Jed Hoyer is trying to save his job.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
He's like, we need help now.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
They didn't think cam Smith has been ready, and it's
been quite quiet frankly from cam Smith at the at
the plate recently, what one for four last night he's
hitting two to eleven ops A six eighty. He does
have the three bombs. Yeah, he's working it out.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Kyle Tucker is helping the Cubs right now on the
field more than cam Smith is right.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
Now, okay, But cam Smith with escoc Paratus and Hayden
was a nesky, all three of those.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Are helping you.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Let's see, ESTI praise has been decent. We was Nesky
has been good. EASTI praise has been okay, like he's
actually been one of their best hitters unfortunately at this moment.
But Jeremy Payne is the starting lineup, by the way,
in the leadoff spot, how are feeling about that? Oh,
it's from yesterday. We will talk about that with Joe Spot.
We were waiting for confirmation. We believe we're gonna get
him on at one thirty later on today. It was

(57:14):
perfect yesterday when Jemy Peney got on board and then
jose l Twova knocked him in with the home run.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Speaking of Jeremy, Paene is scheduled to join the A
team today at two thirty.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
What the Jeremy Pania two thirty?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
All right? Love it?

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Make sure you guys tune in for that. You can
hear about him talking about being in the leadoff spot.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
I didn't, and that was a great move and it
worked out because last night he gets the base hit
and then here comes Jose with the clutch to run
homer that gives the Asters the lead and they never
looked back. But how'd you feel about Jose going to
bat for pay? I mean, I'm starting to like this
conversation is to pay the man, pay the man, Like
we can't pay everyone.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Uh, well you could, you just have to be the Dodgers.
But it's the reality of, like, I don't know, sometimes
cheap labor is great.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Like if this guy is on a rookie deal and
I don't have to pay him for several years, there's
nothing wrong with keeping him on that rookie deal paying.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Him for several you know, Like there's nothing wrong with
buying outs and arbitration and giving yourself that you usually
the Astros won buying out arbitration at Alex Brackman. They
won big time buying out arbitration with Jordan Alvarez and
giving him a big deal. Christian Javier remains to be seen,
So it would be a gamble. But if if jose
al Tuve thinks that he's going to become a superstar

(58:25):
and he's really been playing well lately, has been Jeremy
Pana and the hard hit numbers, barrel percentages, all that
type of stuff looking pretty good.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
I need a larger sample size. I know the last
two years you just showed me you were kind of mid.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It would it would be the gamble. And he's he's
twenty seven years old, so it's not like he's a
spring chicken. He's gonna turn twenty eight at the end
of this year.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
But uh, his agent's gonna go to the tableg. I mean,
this guy's a former World Series MVP. You go, yeah,
what's he been for the last two years since then?

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Yeah, he hasn't been very good since, but he's very
good at the at shortstop.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
And Josel too may just want all his friends going away.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I guess he's he's like the last guy everybody's been
shipped off. It's like the he's the last guy left
in the picture of the sandlot. He's like, yeah, and
then he went off and had four kids, and yeah,
he played pro ball and then yeah, it was just
me and Benny the Jet Rodriguez. Yeah, that's that's that's
that's jose Al Tuvey. Well, then my friend George he
went to h he went to Toronto, and Carlos he

(59:21):
went to Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
He went to Minneapolis.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
And then my friend Garrett went to New York, and
my friend Kyle went to Chicago. And it's can you
guys sign Jeremy please, Like what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
He's a pity movement team player though.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
It's like, by the way left, I'll move the left
and moved to number two in the lineup.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I moved to number two in the lineup.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I didn't realize how everybody went north of the Mason
Dixon Line at Bregman's in Boston, Corres in Minneapolis literally
went to another country.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
George Springer Okay, and to New York are below. The
Mason has been trying to get a team.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
For ye Atlanta Braves, Miami Marlin, SA Bay Rays, Atlanta, Miami,
and in California is Oh, nobody went to California.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
There they got like a bunch of teams over there,
LA teams.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
So and I guess Oakland, Texas Forringers, they signed a
bunch of people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
They could have signed anybody. Royals that Kansas is close,
I think, uh, I think they're in the neutral side.
It might be fat the hockeys.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I think Missouri is staying out of this one for
right now they're neutral. Uh yeah, but mid Point bame
majority of the but everybody went way up into the longitude.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
They went where the money was rong. That's true, and
that's okay right now.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Go ask any Blue Jays fan. Has George Springer lived
up this contract? They're gonna go, No, he's been good,
Anny Twins fan, Has Corey lived up this contract?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Not really, he was bad the contracts they got. You're
supposed to be one of the best, best, better players in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Baseball, and there Garrett Cole was living up to it
until he got Tommy Johnson. Yeah, and now he's out
because his UCL ripped in half. So I think JV
is doing okay with the Giants busy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I didn't want them to sign anyways. Pitching is fine here.
We're all good. Yeah, Ryan Gusta's tearing it up. He's
doing better than whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Just do whatever. Justin Verlander doing it fifty battle last
night doing all right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
He's your fourth fifth guy. And Spencer Arraghetty. Stop having
freak accidents where you shatter your thumb. That'd be great
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
Here's the the line with the Astros. If they score
three runs, they're gonna win that game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Three runs. They can't score three.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
They lost nothing Friday and to nothing Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
That's an unfortunately way too close. Did you do that
post game on Friday? I did Friday? Yes, Yeah, it
was a quick one, I know. And what what was
your play of the game?

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
The game was Bobby was Victor Carratini throwing out Bobby
wit Junior at second. That was the play of the game.
They didn't score run. So it's like, how was your
game recap? Game recap was quite short. Uh, there was
my extreme performance of the game I think was Hayden
Wiznski throwing five innings like we were stretching, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
There was not much.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Yeah, we have a lot of sponsored elements in these
postgame shows and especially the astros is, like, okay, I
have to come up with a play play of the game,
player of the game, and extreme performance.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
You had multiple options for relief, picture of the game.
You had plenty of those.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
I can't remember who I made it. I think it
was Taylor Scott. I threw them a bone.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
You hold an opponent to two runs over nine innings,
that ye should be a win the time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Well it wasn't. For back to back game, back to
back shutouts. I mean, my god, but at least the
bats have woken up somewhat seven.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Night, seven runs, eight runs. And guess what happened in
those games, Gordy.

Speaker 11 (01:02:32):
They won.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Funny how that works.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
Like if they do that consistently, they'll win majority of
their games.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I think you're onto something. Out score the opponents score
more runs than your opponents. Things are gonna go well
for you in baseball. That's why they pay us the
big bucks for that kind of hard hitting analysis. All right,
we're gonna take another break here. It's time for gut feelings.
You got something you're feeling in your gut, even if
it's bad, just to let us know how you feeling
about Game five coming up on Wednesday. How are you

(01:02:58):
feeling about the astros, Jeremy and the leadoff spot. Is
there a prediction you want to make? A gut feeling
you have seven one three two one two five seven ninety.
Is the phone number seven one three two one two
five seven ninety. Gut feelings next here on the Matt
Thomas Show with Ross. Listen up, the boy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Sit so appealing.

Speaker 13 (01:03:20):
Listen that Thomas.

Speaker 14 (01:03:21):
You'll they got a gut dealer.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
This is their gut feeling on the Matt Thomas Show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Alright, you got a feeling in your gut, a prediction
you want to make, you can do it at seven
one three two one two five seven ninety to get
in seven one three two one two five seven ninety.
Time now for our gut feeling predictions here on the

(01:03:51):
Matt Thomas Show. First and foremost, we will recap what
we had from last week. We'll start with Matt Thomas's
predictions because he is not here. Shador Sanders just a
guy I wrote down for a prediction that's looking pretty good.
But he also said Chador in the top ten. Did
you remember him saying Shador was gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
In the top ten.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Yeah, okay, I wrote it down, so it must be true.
He also had the Texans staying at pick number twenty
five they traded back to thirty four, said they would pick.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
An O line offensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I don't know if he meant that in the first
pick or eventually they did pick Arianti Ursery with their
second pick, or uh yeah, Jaden Higgins with their first pick,
and then Arianti Ersery with their first pick.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
So we'll give him credit on that. Sure, why not?

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
He also said that the Texans would draft a tight end.
They did that with Luke Leche. They got in the
seventh round. We'll see how that pans out. Not normally
going to expect a whole lot out of seventh round picks.
He also had the Rockets winning game number two that
held to form Jalen Green goes off for thirty eight points.

(01:05:04):
The Rockets have woken back up, but they're gonna lose
the next two, so now they're down three to one.
Game number five is on Wednesday. You can make a
prediction like that about that if you'd like it. Seven
one three two one two five seven ninety. He also
had the Astros in first place by May fifteen.

Speaker 11 (01:05:21):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
I think he tried to go by the end of April.
I talked him down off of that ledge and he
got a couple of days left the Rocket. I mean,
the Astros play the Tigers today and tomorrow. They are
a game back of the Seattle Mariners. I don't think
it's gonna happen by the end of this month, but
we shall see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
But they're in a good spot right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Astros just one game back fifteen and thirteen after I mean,
how slow the bats have started. Nice to have them
turning things around. They'll be back in action against the
Tigers two night, seven to ten, first pitch on sister
station news radio seven forty kt r's see my predictions,
let's go to yours, Jonathan, you had the Pacers making

(01:06:05):
the conference finals.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
You're all in on the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I'm all in, and they're three one when they're up,
I think so and well, you you made Damian Lillard
rip his achilles.

Speaker 12 (01:06:14):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
I just saw you know what. I'm so bassy now yesterday. Yeah,
it's your fault. It's because you predicted the Pacers to
beat the Bucks. Yeah, they're up three to one in
the series. They can close it out tonight. Dame Lillard
ripped his achilles. I mean, quite frankly, I think his
career is basically you know what, I'm gonna put that
in my gut feelings. I think Dame Loward's career as
an all star level player is just done. He's already
thirty four. Wish him the best worderline. Hall of Famer,

(01:06:39):
Damian Lillard, Hall of Famer. Yes or no answer within
five seconds. Yes, I'm gonna go no, but I bet
you he makes it all right, Dame Lillard has ripped
as achilles pacers making the conference finals.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
That was your prediction. You also had Shodur in the
top ten.

Speaker 9 (01:06:53):
See I twisted up. I'm telling you, man I Matt
had convinced me otherwise. I know, so you gotta stack.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
This is the thing with gut feelings. They can change
on a dime, right you can. That's the beauty of
gut feelings. And the curse of gut feelings is that
you can change as the wins change. Jonathan, And unfortunately
you said shooteror Sanders will be back in the top ten.
He didn't get picked in the top one hundred. You know,
he was picked in then was he not even picked
in the top one fifty four? Okay, we else somewhere

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around there. Good for Shooter Sanders, so he didn't get
picked in the top ten. I said the Texans will
not pick at number twenty five either way, I was
correct on that. I said the first pick will be
an offensive lineman. I was wrong it was the second pick.
I also said three of the first four picks will
be on offense. I believe that is correct.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Cauz. Yeah, they went with.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Arianti Ersie, they went with Jayden Higgins and then Jalen Noel,
so the first three picks were offense. Then they went
with Jalen Smith, the cornerback out of USC in round
number three as well, so three of their top four
picks were offense. I will take the win on that.
And I said the Rockets are one game two, and
they did. And that's how I'm starting off gut feelings
this week, Jonathan, No, Rockets will win game number five

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at the Toyota Center to extend the series and send
it back to San Francisco. So they play one game
home and then they go back to San Francisco. Yeah,
it'll be one at home. Game fives at home. Then
they're basically continuing to play every other day. Then Game
six would be Friday, then Game seven would be Sunday
at the Toyota Center. I don't know, man, just switch.

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You know what, It's a gut feeling. If you're not
feeling in your gut, you know, Okay, you know what
I feel at the yesterday sing Goon is not the superstar.
My good feeling is that he would be in a
trades piece rather than Jalen Green or.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
You better watch out. We better not send this tape
to Turkey. You know those you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Those people go crazy for Alprynshing Goon and Turkey. I
was getting attacked by an Alprinshon Gooon fan.

Speaker 9 (01:09:00):
This morning with all those limp and I think it's
because what you say, all those limp shots he tasted
and he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
If you can't get that, you said limp something else.

Speaker 9 (01:09:12):
Well, all those shots he was saying, if you can't
get past Draymond Green or compete with them and getting
blocked out like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah, I get thirty points, but this is the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Al Prinsching Gun is very very good against elite defenses.
He struggles and Jalen Green, I would put in the
same category.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
He can.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
He can drop thirty eight when Jimmy Butler goes out,
but against elite defenses, he's not as good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Not to everybody. Everybody is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Nobody's dropping forty to fifty against elite deferences. Every game
is the reason why things get tougher, and fifty games
are harder to cut. Fifty point games are harder to
come by in the NBA, I mean the NBA playoffs.
But all right, albrnsching Gun, you said, not a superstar,
and then you said he is more likely you he
would be traded.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
He'd be in a trade package rather than trade package
over Jalen Green or Jabbar.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
You said, let's say vat over. Oh weall, yeah, uh yeah,
I don't. I wonder if they're gona keep Fred VanVleet.
All right, well, I'm gonna make a similar prediction to yours,
but a little bit different, and this will be a
long term one. I think this is a gut feeling
because I know everybody wants him off the team and
they want him traded. It's like, what are you gonna
get for him? Plus he's got a high salary. You

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gotta match those salaries. I think the Rockets when they
signed Jalen Green to the deal that they did and
saw the improvement from him this year from years past,
even though not to the love maybe what he wanted,
it still has been an improvement. I think Jalen Green
is still on the Rockets roster. Game one of next year.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
What's the detail of the contract they gave Jalen Green?

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Actually, I think it's a couple of years and then
Jalen Green has opt outs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
See yeah, I think that's a good definite.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Actually, Game one of next season, Jalen Green is still
on the Houston Rockets. I think we'll see if he's not.
That means probably Kevin durant Is. I don't know if
you want to make a gut feeling about that. Oh,
did you make a good feeling about Game five?

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
No, I'm about to right now. I think.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
No, just whatever, Rockets? Yes, by four by four? That
sounds like an art attack. Finish man, we just listening.
Can we get one comfortable?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
After last night? It is gonna be four? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Rockets win by four. I'll take it. A victory is
a victory is a victory.

Speaker 9 (01:11:31):
And coaching Doka after hearing these interviews. I definitely know,
I definitely believe he has a solid straight Seddingstone game
plan for tonight so or tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
So I got another gut feeling that I don't want
to say, but I'm thinking it, so I have to
say it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Go for it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Rockets win Game five and lose Game six. That's just
a gut feel.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I wanted to go home on Game six, right. If
they no, they go back to they go back to
Golden State.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Yeah, and then Game seven would be back in Houston.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
So they just have to All they have to do
is win three games in a row. It's that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
It's that simple, all right. Were gonna take a quick break.
We want to get your gut feelings in. You can
seven one three two one two five seven ninety the
phone number.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
What's your feeling in your gut?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety Back
with those here on the Matt Tomas Show.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
With Ross Are.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
We have the news at noon coming up in a
few minutes. I don't know if Jonathan knows this, but
he's doing the news at noon. Get a couple of
news stories, you'll be ready. He just do the Rockets
recap play a highlight and ash ros.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Or recap, then maybe one thing else. You'll be fine.
I always slap together in the news at noon.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
It'll last like thirty seconds before I'm getting ready to
So you can handle it. I got faith in you, Jonathan.
That's coming up. Well, we did gut feelings in the
last segment. You still want to get in with a
gut feeling, you can will allow it. Seven one three
two one two five seven ninety The phone number to
get in seven one three two one two five seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I don't want this to be true, but I also
don't want to be a blind homer. And that's what
I try to do every day in front of this microphone.
Is I understand we're in Houston, and some people it's
their thing. They want to be a blind homer and
everything's Houston and all that stuff. That's cool, and that's good,
and well, that's just not the way that I go
about my business in life. I try to see things objectively.

(01:13:12):
I try to see both sides. So I do think
the Rockets can win home.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
My gut feeling hopefully little change, and hopefully I'll be wrong.
I'm wrong about predictions. All the time, I said the Rockets,
we're gonna win seven. Well, I guess that's still on
the table. But I have my gut feeling right now
Rockets win Game five at home and then lose Game
six on the road. Right now, I thought that they

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were the better team coming into this series, with the
Warriors having the better players or better players capable of
rising above and being great and being special, and so
far in this series that has proved out. You've gotten,
basically all series long. A special performance from Fred van

(01:14:02):
Vliet last night he went eight of twelve from three
that was still twenty five point It's not like he
went off for forty, and a special performance from Jalen
Green in game two when he went off for thirty eight.
Shingun was good last night with thirty one points, but
he also took twenty eight shots and unfortunately missed the
game winner. So in playoffs, that's them the breaks. Good game,

(01:14:23):
not a great game, especially when you don't take threes
and you take twenty eight shots and you only score
thirty one points. Good, not great, not transcendent, not all time,
and we've seen all time great transcendence from guys like
Steph Curry or James Harden when he was here before,

(01:14:45):
and you're not seeing it in this series except for
basically on the Golden State Warriors side. That to me
has been the difference. Steph Curry was incredible and won
them Game three. He was very good with some big
shots in Game one, which also won them that game.
Jalen Green was special in Game two, and then you
lost Game four. With Brandon Pajemsky going off and Jimmy

(01:15:06):
Butler going twelve to twelve from the free throw line,
you had opportunity to win that game. You could not,
and you shot forty eight percent from three. By the way,
we talked about the Warriors getting lucky and Brandon Pajemsky
going off, they shot thirty seven percent from three.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Now they made seventeen of them. You just made eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
So they outscored you that way six to by six
three pointers. But you just weren't special enough, and Jalen
Green was a complete no show and non factor in
the second half seven minutes and two seconds on the floor.
You scored as many points you and I scored as
many points as he did, got as many rebounds, assists, blocks, steals,

(01:15:45):
at least didn't turn the ball over and one personal
foul in seven minutes and two seconds of a fourth
quarter of an elimination game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
That's tough, man. It's a tough pill to swallow for
Jalen Green.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
And I've rooted for him in his career and I want,
I want good things for him. I was ecstatic when
the Rockets drafted him number two of our overall, just
looking at his highlights and the capabilities that he has
and the weapons that he possesses, and the physical gifts
that he has as well. He can wow you as
good as anybody in the NBA, and we know this,

(01:16:20):
and he's got the skill and he can make those shots.
But sometimes when when the going gets tough, he's gone.
And it's been too far and far too often. And
the start of that game was an absolute disaster class
in ball handling. Just nonchalance and not a lack of
focus bringing up the ball lacka days ago, and Buddy

(01:16:43):
Hill's poking it away and then they're going the other
way for two. It happened a couple of times, and
clearly there was frustration on the side of Imaadoka, and clearly,
for for whatever reason, for someone who can who can
play with such force and play downhill and be so
aggressive and look so great. It was a no show performance.

(01:17:05):
And it's not the first time we've seen it. Unfortunately,
It's happened three times basically in this series out of
four games. Not a coincidence, not an accident that the
one time it didn't happen, you were able to get
the victory.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
But man, you got I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
I still want to say that it's he's a little
bit too young to completely give up, because there have
been players who have made a leap after age twenty
three and gotten improved. And I was cautioning against thinking
that this is the ceiling of a player, because I
did the same thing when James Harden. If you remember,
he had that season where he didn't finish first, second

(01:17:47):
or third All team NBA, and he had like twenty seven,
seven and seven or something like that. He had a
great season, and he didn't factor in in any of
the wards. This was like maybe twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
I think before Dwight Howard came and I was sitting
there thinking, and I was sitting in these chairs here
at Sports Talk seven to ninety at the time as
a weekend host and a producer saying, James Harden has

(01:18:09):
hit his ceiling. Is what this is, This is what
he is, This is who he is. And then at
that time he was like twenty five twenty six years old.
But he got better, he got way better. He went
on to win an assist title, he went on to
win three scoring titles, he went on to win an MVP.
He got better because he put in the work. And
then that's the question the Rockets have to answer, is

(01:18:29):
he going to get better and to what level? And
is he going to improve? Talking about Jalen Green, we've
seen the incremental improvements. How much more is he going
to get better and closer to his ceiling? And as
I sit right now, I'm gonna tell you, I don't
think he's done growing. I don't think he's done getting better.

(01:18:50):
I think he can and will get better and more consistent.
We've seen it in some flashes and then more and
more and more somewhat consistent flashes as he's gone along.
But it also it's within him. And I don't know
Jalen Green well enough to say, yeah, he's got the
work ethic to where he's gonna push through this and

(01:19:12):
he's gonna rise to be one of the all time greats.
Right now, it's not looking like that four games into
his career. But I will say I don't think he's
done improving. I don't think this is Jalen Green. I
think he can be better than what he was in
Game four. I think he has to be better than
what he was in Game four. And it can happen
in this series. It could happen very well in a

(01:19:33):
couple of these games down the stretch where he looks great,
he looks all world. He's dropping thirty plus points, and
then you forget about those bad performances. Hey raise him
for your mind, because you get all starry eyed and
look at oh my gosh, look at what he's capable of.
Look at these high flying dunks, look at these step
back threes, look at these pull up crazy middies and
going around three guys and finishing tough layups.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
He can do it all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
But he can also do nothing for you, which is
what he did in the fourth quarter seven minutes. Nari
At stat racked up rather than other than one personal foul,
and it's frustrating. It's frustrating to watch in big games
where you want your Rockets to win, and they're going
up against the freaking Golden State Warriors again and they're

(01:20:18):
falling short again. It's it's tough. It's tough pill to swallow.
To be sure. Series isn't over. The show goes on,
and it will go on on Wednesday, six thirty early tip.
You know, maybe they'll still be on West Coast time,
the Warriors and the Rockets will be used to it

(01:20:39):
and acclimated and then can get a victory. And actually,
what I do think is his advantage for the Rockets
is the fact that they are the younger team. And
this will be now the third game in a row
in what five days, so you get a little bit
longer in the tooth talking about Stephen Curry and Draymond Green.
Maybe there's gonna be a little bit of a slowing
down peer and the young up and coming Rockets can

(01:21:04):
flex their muscles and get a win. In game number five,
we'll see seven one three two one two five seven
ninety is the phone number you want to get in
seven one three two one two five seven ninety coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
We'll have the news at noon.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Later on, we'll have Joe a spot at Adam Clinton
will be joining us as well. Haven't really talked much
Astro as we can get into that as well, and
then all the top sports news of the day, The
News at Noon is coming up here on Sports Talk
seven ninety. Hour three of the Matt Thomas Show with
Ross is next twelve oh two and the PM you're
on Sports Talk seven ninety. It is our number three

(01:21:39):
of the Matt Thomas Show with Ross. Without Matt Thomas,
he is traveling with the Houston Rockets.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
I am here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Adam Clanton will be joining in the one o'clock hour,
as should Astros manager Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
A spot up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
But in the mean time we have to get to
all the top sports news items of the day. We
call it the News News at Noon, and we got
to the Sports seven ninety news desk with intrepid reporter
Jonathan Allen. What do you got for is Jonalen?

Speaker 9 (01:22:13):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome. My name is Jonathan Kay Allen.
They call me JK. And the first top I want
to talk about is the Local nine having a very
convincing win over the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 15 (01:22:23):
Swinging a mesh chase a slider in the dirt and
fact is the ballgame.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Man.

Speaker 15 (01:22:30):
Houston Astros take the first game of this three game
series from the Detroit Tigers, winning Tigers to five. Astros
have now won seven of their last ten ball games.

Speaker 16 (01:22:40):
Fitting in for the Astros another swinging bits twelve strikeouts
by the pitchers who continue to get the job done.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Excuse you for that mess up with Detroit Tigers, Detroit Lions, Tigers, Bears,
I don't know, some sort of big cats. Yeah, it's fine,
some sort of growling big cat. Now, could one hundred
men take on one Bengal Tiger? What do you think
that was easy?

Speaker 17 (01:23:01):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Actually, actually they are the true the kings of the jungle.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Wait are the lion?

Speaker 13 (01:23:06):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
By the way, I'm still seeing all those hundred men
taking on one gorilla memes and people are making videos.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
It's pretty hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
I still maintained that the first thirty to forty guys
would tire out the gorilla, and then the last guys.
It's that's when the eye gouging and the nut punching starts,
and then you could eventually eventually subdue the gorilla.

Speaker 9 (01:23:29):
I literally just saw on a Twitter thread of a
dude that got a degree for like the evolution of monkeys,
breaking it down for people.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Like, Oh, okay, what did he say?

Speaker 9 (01:23:38):
He said, they would definitely be thirty to forty cows
of these, but a man can still do it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Okay, okay, you're still on the gorilla side. I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Well, apparently gorillas have lower level of stamina than men do.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Apparently that's what I've heard.

Speaker 9 (01:23:51):
Yeah, so they say if you took them out for
a little bit, you know, like maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
I just I just know I want to be in
the last batch of ten. I think the first eighty
ninety guys can take him out. I just want to
be in the last batch, last dance when the gorilla's
really tired and I just got to get to al
gay eye gouge it, and then we're all gonna be
all good. That's what I'm thinking, all right. Anyways, Oh,
the new have you seen the new one, Jonathan? The

(01:24:16):
new one is one polar bear versus two hundred guys. No,
I was one popt No. Now, I think a polar
bear definitely takes out one hundred guys because they have
big claws. Yeah, they're huge. They're like they have like
your jugglars getting sliced in half.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
That's that. So I don't know if it's two hundred.
How big is a polar bear? Polar bears are huge.
I don't know. All right, any let's get back to
the news.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Yes, the Astros get the win over the Detroit Tigers yesterday.
Pronel Blanco, this has been his basically his line dejure.
How many times this year has he thrown five innings
and given up three or in runs? Feels like he's
done it like three or four times already this season. So, yeah,
the era is take gonna step back from.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
What it was last year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Anybody with a brain knew that there was gonna be
a little bit of regression for him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
But he did enough to keep you in the game.
And then the bullpen's doing his thing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
I actually, you know what, let me write this down
to ask Joe earlier later on when we get him on,
like all these left handed relievers. The whole time Dusty
Baker was here, He's like, yeah, I need more lefties,
need some lefties out of the bullpen.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
And they're like, yeah, we're good. We're gonna give you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Luke Rayley or something whatever his name was, and it
was like one ineffective lefty. Now they got a bunch
of effective lefties in the bullpen, Okert King getting the
job done. And then while le Bray, you Ordon Hater
coming in later and the Astros able to get to win.
Eight saves for Josh Hater fourteen pitches, twelve strikes. How

(01:25:49):
about that for him? A point six four era on
the season. Astros looking pretty good taking the series opener
against the Detroit Tigers. Game number two of the series
will be on our sister station, news radio seven forty
k TRH. That'll be a seven to ten start here
on Sports Talk seven ninety. Oh no, I'm stupid. Kter
H will be Wednesday. I'm sorry, No, it won't be

(01:26:12):
k Trich. It'll be here on Sports Talk seven ninety,
and then the Rockets will be later on on seven
ninety as well. It's a double dipper teams that win
championships here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Tigers an Astros
tonight on seven ninety. Excuse me as look, I'm I'm
gonna be honest. I was with you on air until
like one am. I'm pretty tired. Astros and Tigers tonight

(01:26:34):
seven ten, Sports Talk seven ninety Joe Spot later on
on this program.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
What else you got? Jonathan Allen Well on the news
at noon. Well, just.

Speaker 9 (01:26:44):
Real quick before we leave the Local nine, I just
wanted to address because you talked about earlier about how
al Tube was going on into the media saying that
Dan I brought all of them and needs a gift
pinion an extension, And I wanted just to show you
guys real quick, he's.

Speaker 18 (01:27:00):
More mature and he's a guy that, uh, you know,
works hard, plays hard, shows up every day, willing to
go and play and willing to learn. And when you're
combine all those things, you're gonna have a great year.
You know, you're gonna bec.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
I'm a superstar. And he's he's a very valuebook player
for us.

Speaker 18 (01:27:16):
And you know, I'm very surprised he's not signing to
a long term year with you know, deal with with
the Astros. You know, he's a guy that you really
want him on your team for the long term. I
think you know, Danna Brown and mister Cranks to start
working on that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
That's example, Thank you. I thought that was. Yeah, he's
about any athlete's like look.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
You let my friend George go to Toronto. You let
my other friend Carlos go to Minnesota. I begged you.
I begged you to sign Alex Bragman. You let him
go to Boston, please, Like, this is one who are
his last friends on this team?

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Probably Jeremy Pania.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Jordan Alvarez, maybe Iiner Diez, but he's he's just a
puppy in this game. Like, yeah, everybody that has been
his guy, maybe fromber as well, we put in that
category and in Lance mcculler's junior whenever he's able to
come back, Like he and Lance McCullers junior are still
the last two guys off of that seventeen team. And

(01:28:20):
then if you go to the nineteen team, you just
adding yord On Alvarez and Jeremy Pinion was a rookie
in twenty two. So yeah, jose L Tuve is an
Astro for life. He's on a long term deal. He's
tired of seeing all his friends go away, so he
wants the Astros to sign Jeremy Penney to a long
term deal. And it hasn't been brought up, but Hunter Brown,

(01:28:40):
they should think about kick, as Matt Thomas would say,
kicking the tires on a long term deal. So good
for al Tuove for stumping for his guys and going
to the media and saying I want him to sign
this guy. But unfortunately it was not very effective when
it came to the Alex Bregman deal. Right, and it's
to move on to next topic. I just saw this
right now.

Speaker 9 (01:29:00):
Uh, the Niners agreed for Kittle, making him the highest
paid tight end with seventy million.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
It's a contract essence of deal.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Yeah, George Kittle, he was holding out from voluntary workouts.

Speaker 9 (01:29:13):
Correct, I would leave. So I just I just saw
it right now that they are just on the deal.
Today's okay, making the highest paid time in NFL history, actually.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
In NFL history four years, seventy six point four million
dollars forty million dollars in guaranteed money for George Kittle. Wow,
all right, h Look, he's been good and he's been
pretty healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Or earlier on in his.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Career, we talked about him possibly being injury prone, and
he'd missed a lot of time. See this is why
I tell you injury prone is not necessarily predictive, especially
in a violent game like the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
He missed a lot of games, But do you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Really pay in his career four years seventy six million,
thirty one years old. No, that's a lot, but at
least forty million of us guaranteed, probably within the first
two years. They're bank that he's going to be good
for the next two years and then they can figure
things out because he has been great. He's one of
the great tight ends, especially two way tight ends. He's
a great blocker, great pass catcher, scores touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
I don't consider him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Who's the best tight end in the game right now?

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
What you it might be?

Speaker 17 (01:30:21):
It was?

Speaker 9 (01:30:22):
It was Kelsey, but you know, yeah, Kelsey's falling off
after that playoff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
What is the name of the Lions tight end?

Speaker 19 (01:30:33):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Sam Laporta, Laporta, Yes, he's pretty good. Trey McBride, brock Bowers,
Mark Andrew No.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
So he's definitely a top five guy and then arguably
the number one, especially when you factor in the pass
and run blocking that he does, which is better than
most tight ends, certainly better than say Dalton Schultz here
in Houston. All right, So a big deal for George Kittle.
Congratulations to him. Seventy six million dollars what else is
on the news at noon, Jonathan.

Speaker 9 (01:31:05):
Allen other than we all know about Houston Rockets and
losing one O six and one on nine to the Golden.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
State Warriors as well.

Speaker 9 (01:31:15):
I got a clip from singhom you know, after the
press k after game and the press conference of y'all
didn't hear, just showing a lot of growth, saying, you know,
to the people of Houston that he's got, he's out
what it takes, and that he's not scared of this
and he's gonna keep trying these chots game shot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
So but there's a lot to learn.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
I'm so young, you know, I'm gonna make those one
day and got better and better game shot, so you.

Speaker 9 (01:31:40):
Know, just sew and just swing the people of Houston
that he's that scared. Obviously it's down, he's upset and
the you know demeanor. But what can you do when
you're bursting step in the Golden State and you gotta
figure out what you can do when you're seated number two.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Right backs against the wall, must win game on Wednesday,
Alprin Shingu. Unfortunately he could not go around Draymond Green
and that spin move that he put on was trying
to get closer to the basket, could not do it
in a one on one situation, which Singngoon on Draymond
Green at the top of the key. Ima Adoka liked
the Rockets chances and that was the setup that they

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went Actually Coachi Dooka saying that Fred van Vliet was
supposed to screen and they were going to switch to
get on Gary Payton on him, and then maybe they
would have been a collapse in a double team situation.
Either way, didn't work out the way that the Rockets wanted.
Didn't make the shot. You got to make those in
playoff series. They didn't do it. They're down three to
one with their backs against the wall, coming home on Wednesday.

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I like alprinching Gooon, but elite defenders can slow him down.
Same thing for Jalen Green, same thing for most people
to a degree, but it feels a little bit more
stark with alprynching Gooon and especially Jalen Green and how
poorly he's been been playing and how well he's been
defended with the Golden State Warriors. We'll talk about how
the Golden State Warriors have been defending Jalen Green also

(01:32:58):
mentioned earlier that there there was a suggestion people have
been making that I do not agree with. We'll get
to that when we come back. Coming up later on,
we will have Adam Clinton joining us at one o'clock.
We'll also have Joe Spot in the fold later on,
and you if you'd like to get in.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
We're talking ash Stros, we're talking rockets.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Anything you want to get to seven one three two
one two five seven ninety Do you want Jeremy Pania
signed up long term? Is Jalen Green too close to
his ceiling? Is it time for the Rockets to move on?
We'll talk about that as well. At seven one three
two one two five seven ninety seven one three two
one two five seven.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Ninety one o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Adam Clinton will join us here on the Matt Thomas
Show with Ross Without Matt Thomas. Chris Gordy was hanging
out earlier. In the meantime, It is just me. So
if you want to get in and have a little conversation,
whether it be about the ass Stros of the rockets
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two one two five seven ninety is the phone number
to get in. You can also send tweets to at
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that way as well. So Rockets again, we've been talking
a lot about it, and I mentioned a couple of
the topics we were gonna get to. As far as
Jalen Green, how close is he getting to his ceiling?

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Is it too close to try to give him more
of a chance. They signed him to a deal in
this offseason, a three year extension that I believe he
can opt out after two years, so you basically have
him for another year and then we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
I don't know. It's up to the It's up to
the Rockets.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
It's up to the coaching staff and rufel Stone and
for them to say, do we think we can move
forward into this next phase of Rockets basketball with Jalen
Green being a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
He's got warts to his game. He's not a perfect player.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Perimeter defense sometimes is lacking, but sometimes he locks up man.
I've seen him multiple times against very good offenders, whether
it be I don't know, the Jalen Brunson's, the Jason Tatums.
He's done it in multiple times being switched on Stephen
Curry in this series, so I think the defense can
be there for him. He's gotten stronger, he's gotten better
in that facet of his game. It's the offensive game

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as well he's improved at, but too often, especially in
Game number three, looking like a deer in headlights when
they were trapped, and then the lack of Day's goal.
Bad turnovers which can crop up here and there, but
it just can't happen in a playoff game and in
a pivotal situation like it was in Game number three.
And so a lot of people have talked about the
option of do you go with Cam Whitmore. I don't

(01:35:48):
think so. I don't think you know, some people calling
for Reed Shepherd as well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
That ain't happening.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Aaron Holliday, I think I feel, like I've talked about
it is a little bit more plausible as somebody who
can come off the bench and help. But it's been
very clear that Coachi Dooka wants to keep a tight
eight man rotation.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
It's been the starters.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
It's been Jabbari Tari and Steven Adams, who, by the way,
I haven't even mentioned much. Steven Adams is incredible when
you look at the box scorer, that doesn't even begin
to tell you the impact unless you want to look
at the plus minus. He was a plus sixteen. Every
starter in the negative except for Alpern Shangoon, but the
bench unit did very well. Therefore the plus minus went up,
and to me, plus minus in one game especially not

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always indicative. For example, Jalen Green was a plus three
in the fourth quarter. He didn't rack up a single
stat So do you think he was a plus great
player for the team or what are the guys doing
things that were helping the squad? I think you have
your answer with a little bit of critical thinking. But
Steven Adams was good. He was just you know, you
look like I said, you look two for four whatever,

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seven rebounds, that's cool, but five of them on the
offensive end. He was a number of times if you
look at that on that alprin Sching Goon went on
in that third quarter where he was where he was
scoring at will. There was a lot of times where
Steven Adams was ceiling off Quinton post at the low
block and giving a free lane to Alprinsching Goon in

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letting him operate down in the post. So Steven Adams
with the screening, with the ceiling off of the post,
and with the offensive rebounds, with the doing everything with
the dirty work and going after loose balls, blocking a
couple of shots as well.

Speaker 9 (01:37:26):
Four.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Actually, he was huge.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
He was a big part of that Rockets game and
a big part of the loss that they had on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Yeah, Saturday. I think he was really good. I think
he was really good in Game one too.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Like he's been consistent, man, he's been one of their
better players. Unfortunately, he had an illness. He was listed
as questionable before the game. Don't know much how much
that impacted his effectiveness. Didn't seem like much. He played
twenty six minutes and Steven Adams was really good. But
I don't think turning to Cam what Moore is going
to happen at all. I know it's been suggested by
a lot of you, and maybe going forward. I think

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he plays a little bit too out of control, and
that's why Jalen.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Green was sitting at the end of this game.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
He plays a little bit too out of control, and
in a playoff game against really good team that is
gonna beat you in transition where you can ill afford
to give up free baskets on defense and then also
give up free baskets on offense with turnovers and or
bad shot selection. Coachi Duk is not gonna trust game
went more right now, and I totally understand that. Aaron

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Holliday I think a little bit more trustworthy and a better,
more consistent three point shooter, but he's been on n
ie this whole series. Is that going to continue? Is
the starting lineup gonna be the same in game five?
Is the rotation gonna be the same in Game five?

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
I would tend to say yes, but Coachi Doak did
say after the game everything is up for evaluation, but
that's also that's what coaches say. They're gonna say everything's
up for evaluation and then go from there. So I
don't know your guest is as good as mine, but
I would have to say probably rotation and starting lineup
stays the same for the Rockets in Game number five

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tomorrow at the Toyota Center. Seven one three two one
two five seven ninety is the phone number if you
want to get in. Seven one three two one two
five seven ninety. Yankees Keith holding longest, What's up?

Speaker 12 (01:39:20):
Yankees Keith Hey, man, I think you can attribute all
this stuff to these kids being nervous. But then then again,
when Jalen Green scored thirty eight points, he should have
his I mean, his his confidence should be up to
the highest level. How can you just crash and burn
like he keeps going.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
I know that's what I'm saying. He didn't look nervous
in game two. It's just I think a part of
it is is really good defense, and part of it
is this something we've seen from him before, Keith. It's
it's not the first time we've seen Jalen Green disappear
for games. Unfortunately, it's happened three out of four this year.
I'm gonna guess he didn't have a single stretch all
year long. I can go look through his game logs
and I will during the break. I'm gonna guess he

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didn't have a stretch all year. With three out of
four games he was in single digits.

Speaker 11 (01:40:07):
That's incredible.

Speaker 8 (01:40:09):
I can see last night it seemed like at the
second half that a man was getting his confidence up,
and so was a LP. But like you said, Jalen,
he just disappeared. I don't get it.

Speaker 11 (01:40:22):
I can't understand it.

Speaker 8 (01:40:23):
I don't think they should trade him, but if he
clunks out again tomorrow, they may think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Yeah, it'll be interesting. And thank you Keithan. I appreciate
you getting in and first of all this thing too.
It's easy to say, oh, trade him, get rid of them,
that's all right, send him.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
What are you gonna get?

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Hey, I got this two guard who takes a lot
of shots, he's not super efficient, and he just had
the worst playoff series. I mean, he just played his
worst basketball during a playoff series that's not very attractive
of other teams.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
So that's what your situation.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
You kind of get into to where it's like, is
it better for you to hope that there is improvement
to where he makes a leap, which he has. He
has improved, but he hasn't left right. It's been incremental,
small improvements, slightly more efficiently, more efficient offensively, slightly better playmaker,

(01:41:16):
slightly better defense, incrementally year by year by year. And
he is just twenty three years old. And I'm not
saying that that has an excuse. I'm not saying, oh,
give him some time, he's only twenty three. I'm saying
NBA players do not peak at age twenty three, generally
barring you know, Derreck Rose in some big injury where

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his knees fall apart.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
For the most part, players get better and better and
better and better.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
And they peak at twenty seven, twenty nine to thirty
around there. And like I said, well, the reason I
say this is because I am. I am my own
example of that. I said on these airwaves on the
Sports show on a Saturday, when James Harden was like
twenty six years old, I said that he would he peaked,

(01:42:07):
and I was dead wrong. After that, After I said
that James Harden peaked, he went and won an MVP
and three scoring championships.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
So players can get better.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Players do improve, uh and and improvement is not always linear.
It's going to be up and down. But you're hoping
for more ups and downs. But Jalen Green is down
right now and there there's no getting around that. So
where do we go from here? Where does the Rockets
organization go from here? I'll tell you where they go
from here. They play on Wednesday. See how he looks.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Bounce back scored thirty eight in one game in this series.
Do it again?

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Carry the team, put him on your back, let's see it.
I'm not too per optimistic, but stranger things have happened.
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety. The
phone number here on the Matt Thomas Show with Ross
seven one three two one two five seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Couple on hold. We'll get to you as we go along.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
We also have Adam Clanton coming up at one o'clock
and you at seven one three at two one two
five seven ninety. All right, guys getting popping on the
phone lines. I do appreciate it. They are open. It's
still a couple of them. Seven one three two one
two five seven ninety. Seven one three two one two
five seven ninety. We've been talking some Rockets basketball. They

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are down in the series three to one after losing
one O nine to one oh six last night against
the Golden State Warriors outbranching Goons. Eleven foot push shot
falling just short, couldn't get the rebound. Fred Van Vliet
gets a shot, really to throw up a prayer at
the end there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Unfortunately it did.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
Not even hit rim and the Rockets fall to the
Golden State Warriors one O nine to one oh six.
We're talking about that and more at seven one three
two one two five seven ninety seven one three two
one two five seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Holding the longest joe in Downtown. The floor is yours.

Speaker 20 (01:44:05):
Hey.

Speaker 21 (01:44:05):
I don't think Cam is the solution to the Jalen
Green situation, but I think the clear issue about this
offense in this series is outside of the free throw shooting,
getting to the rim, and Cam the season would just
dive and throw himself at the rim and in a
way that Amen can't just because of Cam size. I'm
not saying he needs to get like critical fourth quarter minutes,

(01:44:26):
but if Jalen Amen and Tari aren't hitting any shots
like they were last night, why not just throw Cam
in there in like the second quarter and have Draymond
soak up a bunch of fouls trying to stop him.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
I think it's just because it's a two way game,
and it just seems clear to me that the coach
does not bad. Yeah, I think so that's what Yudoka
thinks to me. I think he's a lot of miss assignments,
a lot of times he's not paying attention and ball watching,
and maybe you know, the intensity would ramp up in
a playoff game and he would be ready for it,
but I think Coach Udoka does not want to throw

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him into that fire and take that risk. He's going
with a very tight eight man rotation. He's going with
guys he can trust, and unfortunately Jalen Greens falling out
of trust at least did in the second half of
this game. And it's gonna be a game by gay
babe game basis. But I don't think. I don't think
Coach Cam Whitmore has Coach Idoka's trust.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Joe, it just doesn't seem.

Speaker 21 (01:45:19):
Like he's totally in the doghouse with Udoka.

Speaker 11 (01:45:22):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:45:23):
I mean like even Jalen Green off an inbound play
is like I feel like some of his best game
is where he can just kind of you know, dive
at the baseline and do a jump shot or something.
I was surpresident and have him at a pen there.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
I was very shocked at the at the very least
having the threat. And Jalen Green is not like a
dead eye three point shooter at all, But I mean
running two man actions with he and alprin shin gun
to where you can get shing gun going downhill and
and and just being prepared for a trap situation where
you can find guys and have them positioned to where

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you can go for on if if Jalen Green is
getting doubled and trapped, and that means everybody else is
four on three and you got to figure something out.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
And they just haven't been able to do that consistently.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
And it didn't happen a whole lot in the game
game four, at least on my eyes, because Jalen Green
was just he was losing the ball, just pulling up
to half court and pulling up to the top of
the key, so they didn't get that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
But I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
I understand that there was a lack of trust in
Jalen Green, but even not even having the threat, if
not it was a veiled thread or a false threat
of Jalen Green on the floor, I thought was at
first puzzling, but then at the very least very telling.
The Coachydoka said, no, I'm not going with this guy.
We can win without him. He is hurting us more
than he's helping us.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Totally, all right, thanks a lot, Joe, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Yeah, it is frustrating, man, because, like I said, I'm
a Rockets fan through and through born and raised Houston, Texas.
I want the Rockets to win. I want Jalen Green
to succeed. I went out for in Shingoon to succeed.
Everybody on this floor that you're wearing Rockets gear, I
root for you. There's a lot of people these days,
and it's just the younger generation, especially with free agency

(01:47:06):
and guys getting traded.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
They are more player fans than team fans.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
And there are people who are all in on Jalen
Green or all in on jauprinching Gooon, and then when
the other succeeds and they get mad and they argue
with each other. I want everybody to succeed. You wear
Houston on the front of your jersey. I want you
to win with this team. And it's it's frustrating to
see alprinching Goon would get muscled by Draymond Green and

(01:47:34):
only thrive when he's off the floor, and it's frustrating
to see Jalen Green not on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
The floor at all. In a last second to.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Win the game, the game is on the line, you
need one bucket and coach you Dooka says, Nope, don't
need them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
We're gonna go on. We're gonna go on without them.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
That's tough, man, That is tough, all right, seven on
three two two five, seven ninety the phone number. Let's
keep it rolling with Geo in a Taska seat of
holding longest. What's up, Gill?

Speaker 11 (01:48:07):
What's up Ross?

Speaker 14 (01:48:08):
Hey man?

Speaker 11 (01:48:08):
I just want to touch.

Speaker 22 (01:48:09):
On the Jalen Green thing real quick. I have been
the Jayalen Green fantins.

Speaker 11 (01:48:14):
We drafted him.

Speaker 22 (01:48:16):
I gave him a long leash. I knew it was
gonna be some some growing pains, and we all know
that there have been growing pains, absolutely, But he was
out of all the draft picks that we got in
the in the in the past drafts, he was the
one player that we brought on who was going to
be the guy. You know, he was going to be
the face of the Rockets. He was going to be

(01:48:37):
our go to guy. He was gonna, you know, bring
us to the prompts Land. But he has been extremely inconsistent,
whether it be in this these playoffs, whether it be
in the past seasons, this regular season. You know, he'll
go we on any given night, we do not know
which Jalen Green we are going to get. And that's
the problem. And he is completely under performing in regards

(01:49:02):
to the draft that he was drafted in to the
players that he was drafted by. I mean, for one, Cade.

Speaker 11 (01:49:08):
Cunningham was drafted number one.

Speaker 22 (01:49:10):
He was an All Star and an All NBA team,
Mobiley was an All Star, All NBA Team and Defensive
Player of the Year, and Scottie Barnes was an All Star.
Jayalen Green cannot have it, does not have any of
those things next to his name. So, I mean, you know,
he's just completely underperforming and and I hate to say it,
but you know, he he's not it. He's not the

(01:49:32):
answer man. We're gonna have to make a decision on
in this offseason and see what we're going to do.
Appreciate it, guys, good show, all.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Right, thank you Gill. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
Look, like I said, he's behind in his development, especially
like you said, relative to his draft class, relative to
what we wanted, relative to expectations a lot of players,
you know, we talked about I talked about it last
year in the offseason. Third year leap. Can you get
a third year lead from Jalen Green? And in many
respects in his game, well at least in points per game,
he regrets this year he got better offensively. I feel

(01:50:07):
like his playmaking is better. His assistant numbers are not up,
but I feel like his.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
His playmaking is better.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
His effective field goal percentages and true shooting percentages are
better than they have been or in the last relative
to the last two years in his career. So he
got better at that. If you look at some advanced
statistics like box plus minus, a value over replacement player,
he's had his best season as an NBA player, So

(01:50:37):
you look at all those types of things, and he's
gotten better win shares as well, wind shares for forty
eight minutes, Like you look at a lot of those things.
He's gotten a lot better. But it's just been incremental.
And he has not been an All Star. And as
you mentioned, Scottie Barnes has been, and Evan Mobley was
just Defensive Player of the Year and he was a

(01:50:58):
borderline All Star.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
He's just not reach to that level.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
And I understand if you want to give up on
him and say this is who he is, he's not
getting any better. I just disagree. I just have to disagree.
He's twenty three. He's going to get better. I think
the question is, and we can argue this and we
don't know how much better will he get? Will he
become an efficient twenty five point per game player? Will

(01:51:24):
he use this as motivation and a learning tool and
a teaching tool, and will he use this as as
a springboard to improve and you know, a strengthen his
resolve to get better and work harder and.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Not have what he had early in.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
His career were just things given to him and the
reins of the offense given to him and the hard
coaching for Emia Doka. I think it has gotten better.
The question is how much better will it get? And
I don't know. You don't know either. If you want
to give up on him. I'm not calling you crazy.

(01:52:03):
I'm not saying, oh, what are you an idiot? Jalen Green?
This guy is God's gift to basketball. How could you
give up on him? I understand where you're coming from.
I understand your side of it. I'm also just gonna
sit here and tell you. And maybe I'm on an
island by myself, and I think, especially after this game,
I am, and I'm okay with that. I've been on

(01:52:23):
islands before, and I've been right. I've been on islands
before and I've been wrong. But I don't think this
is it. I don't think he's reached the peak of
his NBA career.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
But it sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
That doesn't make any easier. We can debate till we're
blue in the face. You know, where is his ceiling,
where he's gonna be? Should he be traded? Should he stay?
Should he have signed the extension? Should he have not?
Bottom line is he was a no show in Game four.
Rockets needed him in Game four, they needed a big
performance on the road, backs against the wall, and he
was a literal no show because he was.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
On the bench. I'm not arguing with you on that
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
All Right, seven one three two one two five seven
ninety is the phone number, seven to one three two
one two five seven ninety. Were gonna take quick break
a Loti on. Hold, let's go, let's get after it.
We're talking some Rockets ball, We're having some fun. It
is the Matt Thomas Show with Ross with you until
two o'clock here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Joe Spotted
coming up at one thirty, Adam Clinton coming up at

(01:53:24):
one o'clock, and your calls as we go along, and
we'll be right back after this short break. All right,
we gotta have a discussion about Cam Whitmore. I keep
getting a bunch of tweets.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
Look, I like Cam Whitmore. He's a young player. He's
shown some flashes. He's had a thirty point game here
and there. You need to stop and think for a second.
Why is Cam Whitmore not out there? If he is
this unstoppable offensive force and he is this huge spark
and he can score points on this team that does

(01:53:54):
not score points. If he has this hyper efficient scoring machine,
why isn't coach Udoka playing him? Either A you think
Coach Udoka is stupid or making a mistake or I
don't even know what b would be. He's got amnesia
and he forgot his name and it's awkward for him,
so he doesn't want to call his name, so he

(01:54:15):
doesn't want to pull him off the bench. I mean,
I don't even know what it would be. I like
Cam Whitmore. He is not the cure to what ails
the Houston Rockets. In my opinion. He throws up a
lot of wild shots. He does score a lot of points,
but a lot of time that that's in garbage time
against bad teams and He's gotten some opportunities, but clearly

(01:54:36):
he does not have the trust of coach Udoka, especially
on the defensive side of the ball. He can fill
it up, but he plays a little bit too much
for himself and he misses his defensive assignments all the time,
and he can he I think clearly. To me and

(01:54:57):
I tend to agree with Coach Udoka, Cam Whitmore is
not going to just spark a major Houston Rockets run.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
It is the disease of we.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
We always fall in love with bench players for whatever
reason as a fan base. Gary Clark gotta play Gary Clark,
Moore whise and Stevens was Silas playing Gary Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
This guy's an idiot.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
He looka he does it all the future defensive player
of the Year, knocking down corner threes. I would go
to Isaiah's Hardenstein, but he actually turned out to be
a really good player. But it's like it's bench players.
For whatever reason, we fall in love with them. We
think they're gonna be They're gonna fix everything for the Rockets.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
I just don't think that's the case. I just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
We just have to sit there and ask yourself why
isn't camp whitmore playing more their answers to that question,
I think those answers are out of control, too much
on offense and the attention to detail.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Lacking on defense.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
And that's that they don't want to want to throw
him into the playoff fires right now, simple as that.
All right, seven two five, seven ninety is the phone number.
At least keep it going, Jamal in memorial holding alongest
what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
Jamal?

Speaker 11 (01:56:11):
Hey, how's it going everyone? I'm not gonna lie to
the caller from a task to see that he kind
of stole a lot of my thunder that I would
say this. I'm not gonna really chime too much in
on the game last night. I kind of think they

(01:56:34):
cooked already. They may they may win game five, but
they'll do good maybe to even push it to a
game seven to hit it there. But what the caller
was saying on Jalen Green, he hit on some a
lot of good points, right. They drafted Jayalen Green out
all the picks and all the drafts we had. Jalen
Green was the one that was supposed to be, like,

(01:56:55):
you know, the face supposed to kind of be what
Harden was. He's clearly, not that I'm actually I like
Jalen Green. I was from like to call it said,
gave him along leaf, but after seeing this UH series,
and he it's simple, he ain't it. He might, he

(01:57:17):
might have a little bit of growth still left, but
he's not. He's not it. And I just think he's
one of those guys where he's dynamic. He's not quite
a one night quarter two, so it's real hard to
kind of get him. You know, he's he's always gonna
have until he reminds me of an early j R.

(01:57:40):
Smith with j R. Smith with with with with Denver,
with the Millo Denver, a very talented guy. Jr. Came
here out of high school, you know, had got got
up and can jump in the athleticism off the charts,
but but wasn't able to kind of rein it in

(01:58:01):
and define his game later on into his career. So
we don't have time for that. And I actually think
that that that I would say this. I wasn't even
for the KD trade earlier, but but I'm at the
point now where I'm forward and I think Jalen Green
has got to be the trade. With the trade, I

(01:58:22):
think I don't I think Shamgoon is untouchable. I wasn't
a big fan. What's the name that showed me a
lot lately. I wasn't too high on uh Jabari Smith,
but I'm a I'm a big I think Shangoon, Bari
and Amen on your untouchables. You Jalen Green's the change

(01:58:43):
trade ship. You put a package of some some draft picks.
Maybe you you you trade Vans Lead on the spiring contract.
You know, maybe even Cam has to go to with more.
But I think moving forward, you those are the guys
you built around Amen, Shingong and Bar. I still like

(01:59:04):
the kids too. I still like Re Shepherd. I think
he got to just get an opportunity, and I just
that's what I wanted to think. I think unless we
make some kind of run to the Western Conference finals
or further, I think that the I think the trade
is going to happen somewhere in the off season or
maybe in the middle of the season next Sure, I

(01:59:25):
just want to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
Yeah, thank you, I appreciate you getting in Jamal, Yeah, don't.
I don't know, especially when it comes to you could
use a prime Kevin Durant. I mean obviously prime Kevin
Durantz don't grow on trees a lot more than end
of his career. Not as good defensively Kevin Durant, and

(01:59:48):
maybe it's easier to kind of shore up for some
of his defensive deficiencies because he does have links he
can recover, he can still block shots, he still moves
pretty well for a guy that is as thirty six
years old and an Achilles injury. It's crazy that he's
still going as good as he is at this point.
I'm just like throwing my hands up and saying, I
don't know. I'm gonna be honest. I have an opinion.

(02:00:12):
My opinion is that I won't want Kevin Durant here
long term. My opinion is that Jalen Green can continue
to grow. But I don't think he's got the superstar
stealing the ceiling that we were hoping hoping that he
did have.

Speaker 2 (02:00:24):
I think he's.

Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
Got complimentary player, second or third best player on a
championship winning franchise as his ceiling.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
As a go to guy, I would agree he is
not there. Maybe he can get.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
To the level of what Jamal Murray has been for
the Denver Nuggets, where occasionally yet it's Nikola Jokic show,
and he continues to grow and get better.

Speaker 17 (02:00:54):
And.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
Then he can be an efficient second option. But then
you have to ask, who's your first option. I like
Albrin Shingoun Tube. I don't think he's untouchable. I think
we've seen it in this series that he can struggle
against really good defensive teams, and I think that limits
his ceiling as well. He really thrived when Draymond Green
was off the floor. What happened when Draymond Green is

(02:01:17):
on the floor. He's just he's not as effective, He's
not as good, and that can happen to him. He
can run into roadblocks, and that's gonna happen in playoffs.
If you give the other team all this time to
focus their energy on defending you, it's gonna be tough

(02:01:38):
for you to come through. And that's what's happening in
Jalen Green right now. The Warriors are shading him to
go to his left hand and they are blitzing and
trapping him, and it has done at They've done a
great job of limiting how effective Jalen Green can be
when they have the game plan, when they can turn
the screws on you and you're going up again, and

(02:02:00):
it's really good coaching staffs and some of the best
players and defenders on the planet. In the playoffs, your
warts get magnified, they get that much more exposed. And
that's what's happening with Jalen Green right now. So I
don't know where they go from here. They're not out
of the series yet. We'll see what happens. Let's just

(02:02:20):
hope that somehow, someway, Jalen Green goes off for thirty
points on Wednesday and we're talking about how they bounce back.
I don't know that's going to happen. I understand we're
in between games. Last night was an extreme disappointment. Dude
wasn't even on the floor in the fourth quarter. I
mean he was, but he wouldn't. Seven minutes, two seconds,
no points, no rebounds, no assists, no no turnovers, no

(02:02:42):
one personal foul, no blocks, no steals. He's he's out
there getting trillions. He's out there. He scored as many
points as if we put a lamp post out there.
That can't happen. That cannot happen, all right, seven one, three, two,
one two five ninety. A lot of you on hold,
I promise we will get to you. We got to

(02:03:02):
take a quick top of the hour break. Adam Clanton
will join. We got Joe Spotta coming up at one
thirty as well. You folks on the phone lines, got
one line open at seven one three two, one two
five seven ninety seven one three two one two five seven.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
Ninety all right our number four.

Speaker 1 (02:03:18):
Oh, the Matt Thomas Show with Ross without Matt Thomas
and now joined by Adam Clanton.

Speaker 2 (02:03:24):
I guess they need to get a final confirmation.

Speaker 1 (02:03:25):
We're supposed to have Joe spot coming up at one
thirty as well, and phone lines are full.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
We were at tower full bore.

Speaker 13 (02:03:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
The engine is firing on all cylinders as we're talking.
Some rockets ball. Adam Clanton is settling in. So let
me go to some of you on hold real quick.
Let's start with Robert and Katie.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
What's up? Robert? Hey?

Speaker 23 (02:03:46):
Ross, Hey, I'm might to talk about the other green
on Golden State.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
Draymond.

Speaker 23 (02:03:53):
Yes, sir, I was really confused and pretty upset last night.
Him continued play in the game that first time he
put his shoulder and our guy he was a moving
screen and they didn't even call it a foul on
that they called a foul on simplus the technical. Then
the second time when he grabbed our jersey after kicking

(02:04:18):
him in the head a couple of times, he didn't
get thrown out. Then you know, they didn't give him
a technical on that. That should be automatic technical. You
grabbed all the guy's jersey. I mean, I haven't heard
anybody talk anything about that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
I just wanted your opinion.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
Uh, yeah, it was very clear. Thank you, Robert, appreciate
you getting in First of all, there are some that
will argue it was not intentional by Draymond Green kicking
and then Reggie Miller among them, that it wasn't an
intentional foul. I think it was intentional. I think he
kicked him in the head. It was also during a

(02:04:53):
dead ball when he did that, When he kicked our
Easton in the head and then he pulled on his jersey,
it should have been in a technical foul and Draymond
Green should have been out of the.

Speaker 24 (02:04:59):
G Well for most people, that would uh, that would
be the benefit of the doubt that they would get
for this guy who has done this how many times now,
Like why do his legs always wind up in people's
groins or in their head or wherever else. And why
is he stepping on people all the time? Like, I'm sorry,
you don't get that benefit of the doubt, unless, of
course you're a Draymond Green and you still do because

(02:05:21):
you played for the Warriors.

Speaker 1 (02:05:23):
Yeah, I don't under I mean, I actually do understand
it perfectly. They didn't want to throw him out of
the game. Why what does he bring to the table ratings?
I because cellar offense, amazing shooting. No, he's a good.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
Throw him out. He plays really good defense.

Speaker 24 (02:05:36):
I mean he was allowed to play very good deferences
on Shinggun in that last place because he he should
have been thrown out before him should have been thrown.

Speaker 2 (02:05:42):
Out of the game. I agree with that he was not.

Speaker 1 (02:05:45):
I think we've seen that, even if it's not Draymond Green,
referees are hesitant to give a second, second technical foul.
We've seen it with Dylan Brooks. The only question.

Speaker 24 (02:05:54):
Players you ask yourself about that scenario is what would
have happened to Dylan Brooks last year?

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
I think I think Dylan Brooks all a lot of
times has gotten leeway and not getting his second time
in that situation.

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
I don't know that. We don't know that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
So you can say that and you can sit there
and we can whind about it. But the bottom line is,
we don't know that. Dylan Brooks has been given leeway
in getting his second technical foul in games and situations.
I've seen it with my own two eyes and and
it's unfortunate. But you also have to go out there
and win the game. Draymond Green was on the floor
for the Rockets. You gotta make your free throws. You
got to make your easier shots. You can't get muscled

(02:06:26):
up by him. And Jalen Green can't be a no
show in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
He can't.

Speaker 24 (02:06:30):
Jalen Green's the biggest, biggest story of this game. It's
not the free throws, I promise you, because you should
be able to win a game where you lead most
of the night again and you have a thirty one
and ten night from Albrin Shingoon, even if it's on
twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Twenty eight shots not super different, Yeah, thirty one Albrin Shingoon,
the volume shooter.

Speaker 2 (02:06:51):
Like Michael George, I'm just saying like he did his part.

Speaker 24 (02:06:54):
Other guy, I mean, Fred Van Vliet got twenty five
from him, and you're gonna waste it because Jalen Green's
a no show for the third time this series.

Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
I definitely agree that that was a waste in in
playoff series. And you know this, Adam, We've been watching
basketball a while. You get those magical games from guys
you're not expecting it from Warriors. Got it last night
from Brandon Pajemski.

Speaker 2 (02:07:12):
Where they he went off. I mean, he scores a
let what he's scored.

Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
What was he a piece of crap for? Because he
plays for the Warriors? What more reason do you need?

Speaker 24 (02:07:23):
The guy he averages like just under twelve per game,
except for he turns into Superman against the freaking Rockets
because they don't ever guard him.

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
He's had some big games against them, big games against
other people where he's got off the game.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
He was wide open like that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
But the deal is that he went off and they
cat the Warriors capitalized.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
You wasted, as you said, wasted is the term.

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
Fred van Vliet ain't going eight for twelve from three
in another game in this series needed to get a
win from this, Well, he can go eight for eighteen
from three. He did that in Game two, but that
was also a Jimmy Butler off the field, I mean
off the off the court. And this is the thing
that we've seen from Jalen that I was hoping would
kind of get ironed out in the playoffs. It's the
lack of daisical dribbling, lack of focus, not paying attention

(02:08:08):
where guys, oh, you know, I'm doing a spinning dribble
for bleeps and giggles at the top of the key
and I lose the ball and they're going the other
way for an easy two. That is unacceptable And clearly
ema Adoka agreed because he did not go with Jalen
Green down the stretch, even on a last second play
to win the game. You're down one oh seven to

(02:08:31):
one oh six with whatever it was twenty seconds ago
or something like that. I can't remember a third and
no one looks like it's thirteen seconds to go. You
don't use Jalen Green on the floor. Very clearly, Emadoka
sending the message I can win without this guy the way.

Speaker 24 (02:08:48):
He's playing tonight, or I don't trust him to help
me win tonight. I mean, either way you look at it,
there's a couple of things that play here and let's
not forget the foul on Jimmy Butler with Dylan Brooks
grazing his jersey. Again, it's probably a foul incidental contact.
I think that's a no call in that situation. But
I also think when they call it and review it,
they have to in the playoffs, And I hate, I

(02:09:09):
hate that phrase because it comes up so much well
in the playoffs. That's not a foul. Why it's a
foul all season long? Why does it change now? But okay,
let's let's say for the sake of argument, that's how
you feel. You know it's a playoff foul or it's
not a playoff foul, what have you. My bigger issue
with as the officials go is that, I mean, other
than the obvious just nonsense with Draymond Green, I mean,

(02:09:30):
there's leashes and then there's this guy.

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
He's got his own category.

Speaker 24 (02:09:34):
I just feel like, you know, be consistent, be consistent
on both ends if you're gonna call that kind of
foul on on Dylan, especially in that situation. Under a
minute to go, this guy's gonna get three free throws,
and you negated that because Frevan Vliet hit another three
to tie the game.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
Up but or no, actually that was after that, so
I take that back.

Speaker 24 (02:09:54):
Shangoon hit four and then Shangoon got Bucket to get
him to within one. They made a stop and then
Shinhoon got defended by oh Draymond Green, who shouldn't have
been in the game.

Speaker 2 (02:10:05):
But I digress. If you're gonna do that, you have
to be consistent.

Speaker 24 (02:10:09):
But I said this yesterday, I've said it to Wex,
I've said it like consistently, and I'll die on this hill.

Speaker 2 (02:10:16):
I don't care if I'm in the minority. It doesn't
matter to me.

Speaker 24 (02:10:19):
You you are not going like we've seen when one
team is clearly better than the other in a series
aka Oklahoma City aka Cleveland, like way to Roll Over
and Die, Tyler Hero, someone else threw you down like
a rag doll, and it was the Cleveland Cavaliers. That's
a clear example of one team being better than the other.

(02:10:41):
You're not gonna convince me the Warriors are a better
team than the Rockets the way the series has gone.

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
I understand.

Speaker 24 (02:10:46):
Are you gonna tell me that they're a better free
throw shooting team? Absolutely, But when this game is determined
by three points on the road and with some you know,
questionable shenanigans, you know going on with Draymond Green and
the Rockets missed twelve free th ros. I'm not gonna
sit here and say, oh yeah, clearly the Golden State
Warriors were the better team in this series.

Speaker 1 (02:11:05):
But clearly it's a fumbled opportunity twice by Houston against
the Warriors.

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
I mean, and here's the other thing.

Speaker 24 (02:11:13):
Here's the other aspect, because I know there's lots of
layers to get to and we'll do it for four
hours on the A team this.

Speaker 2 (02:11:19):
First round series, maybe into the second.

Speaker 24 (02:11:23):
Round if the if the Rockets were to have advanced,
and I'm not saying it's over, but come on, it's
three to one.

Speaker 2 (02:11:29):
This was gonna hurt.

Speaker 24 (02:11:31):
Much like that first round series against the Thunder when
James Harden first got here. You knew they were overmatched
because they had Westbrook and Durant. You knew that it
was probably not gonna go your way. But you know
there's growing pains. That kind of thing has to happen.
The problem is when it comes against this team, it's
gonna be everything's gonna be magnified. Everybody's gonna freak out.
Everybody Oh, here we go again. They're not that good.

(02:11:52):
They're gonna get smashed by whoever they play next. I'm
fully convinced of that smash.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
We'll say smash.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
Okay, I hope you're right. It doesn't matter. I think
I think it's probably okay. See is gonna win the
West front of the way no matter what. Yeah, this
was not a title season for the Rock.

Speaker 2 (02:12:09):
No, it wasn't. They exceeded expectation. We do have to
keep that in perspective as well.

Speaker 1 (02:12:13):
So, yeah, a lot of different things and angles to
get to and we got full phones right now, so
let's get one quick, one real quick with Roger on
the northwest side.

Speaker 25 (02:12:22):
Good et and gentlemen. While in the whole time I've
been listened to the station, I've we've traded Jay Green
like five times, we've uh, we've restructured the lineup, and
we just so many multi those things that series not
even over yet. But it's over. I mean, what was
the progression here? The only thing, the only thing about

(02:12:42):
it is it's just we seemed to the same stumbling
block and we've had the past other years were in
the playoffs. Don't the state over your whole block? And
I don't know how to figure it out and how
to get past it other than you know, getting better talent.
I don't know. You seem to be getting beat up
by Jerry Atwick. I don't understand it. It's just something.
It's like the Superstars back in the eighties when when

(02:13:05):
we when the team was just putting up gargangular numbers
and still couldn't pass us on it. It's just it's
just the whole thing all over which it's washed retreat.
But I do know one thing. If we go out
like a just you know, without even a fight on
Wednesday and uh, we just read the league away, we

(02:13:25):
win the game and we buy, and then we lose
the next game, I still think it's good enough for
adult as a guy with you know, he don't he
don't you don't put up with that. I don't think
uh simm and f Tita will. I do think there's
gonna be some movies made just because he's the bottom line,
so it's a film the bottom line owner. I just

(02:13:46):
wish that, I just wish that, you know, gentlemen would
have at least somewhat uh, put up some numbers and
some kind of fight.

Speaker 2 (02:13:55):
All right, Roger. Sorry, we gotta get to a break.

Speaker 1 (02:13:57):
But yeah, we'll see what happens to Jayleen Green when
you talk abo of you, Adam, We've been talking about it.
People want him traded and gone, and I totally understand
if you think that this is his ceiling and this
is all he's got.

Speaker 2 (02:14:08):
I'm not really gonna argue with you.

Speaker 1 (02:14:09):
I also do think that players generally in the NBA
do not peak at age twenty three. But the question
is where is Jingalen Green's peak. We'll discuss that when
we come back. We also got some of you on hold.
Will continue to get to you as well. Phone lines open,
two of them at seven one three two one two
five seven ninety seven one three two one two five
seven ninety Rockets lose Game four. We also got Joe

(02:14:31):
Spotta coming up at one thirty here on Sports Talk
seven ninety year home for the teams that actually win championships,
the Rockets and the Astros. All right, a lot of
us to get to on the phone lines. We'll do
that shortly, Adam planning hanging out here on the Matt
Thomas Show with Ross Matt Thomas out traveling.

Speaker 24 (02:14:45):
Buzzfest headliner here Marilyn Manson back to Uh, okay, he's uncancelled.
Everything's good with him. Yeah, he's fine. Oh, I mean,
I know what you're talking about the priory, sir. I
think that it was one of those situation. Well, I'm
not gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:15:01):
Get into that. Okay, We're gonna move on. There's some
times where I'm like, when is Buzzfest? Probably next month?
I don't know all the time.

Speaker 24 (02:15:08):
You shouldn't you know this? I should you are mister
rock facelet I haven't gone to one since we had
a child together.

Speaker 2 (02:15:13):
Oh funny how that happens. So that's been six and
a half years. Yeah, he's almost seven. All right.

Speaker 1 (02:15:20):
Anyway, so we're talking to Rockets basketball. We do have
Joe Spot coming up in the next segment. Those of
you on hold, we will get to you very shortly
here on a Sports Talk seven ninety I mean times,
this is a good name that somebody just brought up
because I put up a Twitter pool Oh jesus, I
love your Twitter pooling.

Speaker 2 (02:15:35):
Do you think Jalen Green will hit in his career?

Speaker 1 (02:15:38):
I hit Superstar, All Star complimentary piece, which I would
categorize him as a complimentary piece right now, and some
people putting role player. I just put that just kind
of as a as a joke. He's already better than
a role player. I voted all star. I'm not saying
why not. Oh, it sits anonymous vote. Well, I mean
when we're talking about it, you can tell me on
the air. And that's how I'm bringing it up. Joy

(02:15:59):
this upplemental income. You didn't put role player, did you. No,
I'm not. I'm not blind. Look, somebody responded Kevin Martin.
And that is an interesting comparison because because if Jalen
Green has hit his ceiling, he basically is a Kevin Martin.

Speaker 24 (02:16:20):
Are you ready for something real controversial? Yes, he wishes
he was Kevin Martin. Oh listen, Kevin Martin never scored
eight points in a playoff game multiple times. Kevin Martin
was good for twenty. Kevin Martin was good, I mean
for twenty. But he's not looking up his numbers right now.
And I know you are.

Speaker 2 (02:16:36):
I am. This is what me and WEX do.

Speaker 24 (02:16:38):
He actually goes to the and I just go to
the eye test because I've got an insane memory, and
I watch all the insane memory he he's I can
guarantee you his playoff what's Jalen's playoff average right now?

Speaker 2 (02:16:49):
Fifteen and a half.

Speaker 24 (02:16:50):
And that's significantly boosted by game two because he's only
played four games. Uh huh, I guarantee you Kevin Martin's
playoff average, whatever it is, probably blows that out of
the water.

Speaker 2 (02:17:03):
Well, I can find that for you.

Speaker 24 (02:17:06):
But again, eleven point six Wow, well colored me shocked.

Speaker 1 (02:17:13):
With the Rockets. Onlyly played one playoff series with the Rockets.

Speaker 2 (02:17:17):
Yeah is it?

Speaker 11 (02:17:20):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
Who do they play Oklahoma City in twenty thirteen?

Speaker 2 (02:17:23):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (02:17:24):
He was on Oklahoma City? Sorry, yeah, he didn't play
with the Rockets in the playoffs at all. They never
make the playoffs.

Speaker 24 (02:17:28):
That was the purgatory years knew they did not because
he was part of the hardened trade.

Speaker 2 (02:17:34):
He played against the Rockets when he got.

Speaker 1 (02:17:36):
Traded to Oklahoma City in twenty thirteen. They played in
two playoff series. He averaged fourteen points per game. Kind
offect memories A little off?

Speaker 24 (02:17:45):
Sorry, I get well again, it's boosted by thirty eight
in game two.

Speaker 1 (02:17:51):
Hey, until thirty eight points counted. They don't win that
game without him, agreed. But the other three games he
hasn't even scored double digits. I mean, it's very dude,
it's pretty bad. And the only other stretch. I looked
this up because we were talking about this earlier on
the show. Three out of four games not scoring in
double digits has not didn't happen all season except for

(02:18:12):
the last three games when he was just on a
minute's restriction basically and they were just playing out the
stream because they had already clinched the two seeds. So
if you don't count those three games, all season long,
he has not had a stretch this poor.

Speaker 24 (02:18:24):
I know that this is going to become a hot topic,
particularly if like the Throckets, just I would like to
think they would have some pride and salvage their season
tomorrow night at home. But whatever the case, if this
series is it, can you go into this office, is it?

Speaker 2 (02:18:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:18:40):
If Kenny Loggins, if you go to Michael McDonald, Yes,
I think you're right.

Speaker 24 (02:18:46):
They co wrote that if you go into this offseason
and you're of the opinion, Ah, he's only twenty three,
like Jordan was twenty three.

Speaker 2 (02:18:55):
When you like all this kind of it's not even
necessarily compared to go ahead.

Speaker 24 (02:18:58):
I'm sorry, Well, I just my thing is, yes, he's
twenty three. And if you want to compare it to
fill in the blank this player when he was twenty three, fine,
but that's not today's NBA.

Speaker 2 (02:19:09):
And this guy is what is his season number four
for him?

Speaker 1 (02:19:12):
This is his fourth season. We also have to remember
that his developmental season out of high school was a
COVID season where he played like seven.

Speaker 2 (02:19:19):
Eight games for G League Knight and his head coach
was Stephen Silas the first two years of his career.

Speaker 1 (02:19:24):
And however much you want to say that, so he's
had and KPJ was taking his shots. And this is
another thing, is that he has gotten better. Yeah every year.
Yeah he has. Defensively he's a lot better than he
was in his first year. Offensively, he's a lot more efficient,
he's a better playmaker, he sees the game better. It's
a question of how much better will he get from here?

Speaker 24 (02:19:44):
That is the That's the case for every Rocket that's young,
basically every Rocket that's not Dylan Brooks or Fred van
Vliet as far as hardcore rotation guys. But I don't
look at Alprin Shingun and say, man, he just does it.
He looks like the moment's too big for him. I've
never once thought that in these four games. I thought
he might have. He might have been playing too timid

(02:20:05):
at times, but he's put up numbers that say I
belong on the floor in a playoff series. Jaylen has
put up that that kind of numbers once and the
other four games. The other three games he's been borderline unplayable, unplayable,
and last night he was unplayable.

Speaker 2 (02:20:20):
I in that they didn't play him.

Speaker 1 (02:20:22):
Want to say, Now, somebody put this on Twitter, I'm
gonna have to look it up. Basically, they're shooting. They're
true shooting percentages when you factor in three pointers and
and free throws.

Speaker 2 (02:20:32):
It's been about the same this series.

Speaker 24 (02:20:34):
No, there's three guys that are like that, and and
Jabbari's I think Jabari might be the other. One's all
been bad and the most consistent young rocket in this
series by far.

Speaker 2 (02:20:43):
He's been awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:20:44):
Actually he's been good, but he's not been you know,
it's a transition or whatever. All right, it's been all right.
So we've got a couple of people to get to.
You've been Girod, you've been holding long. We have a
lot of people to get to. Plus we had Jospata,
So try to make it brief if you could, Gerard,
go ahead.

Speaker 14 (02:21:00):
Hello, yes, go ahead, yeah yeah, this quick thing.

Speaker 1 (02:21:04):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (02:21:05):
As far as there's two critical moments out there stands
out to me in the game, I think when Current
played Hacker Adams, I don't think a doka should have
took at him about the game. He played right until
Steve Kerr hand taking him out. You know they gonna
play that game. I can understand maybe taking them out
as he missed the first two free throws, then you
take him out, but don't just take him out just
because you're playing Hacker had him. They played right to

(02:21:26):
his hand because Adams was playing well. He was ghetting rebounds,
he was blocking shots, he was he was being a
positive influence out there on the court.

Speaker 11 (02:21:34):
So I don't agree with that.

Speaker 14 (02:21:35):
And another key moment was to file on Jimmy Butler.
You know he was shooting that shot against the shot clock.
He just can't fire right there. That was a bad
file by Dillian Brooks. So those two foremas would have
stood out to me and one of the reasons why
the rockets off the game, along with the free throws
and stuff like that. So hopefully they can learn from
this if they come up short in this series. Man,

(02:21:56):
I'm kind of glad they're getting experienced. And then in
the offseason you were kind of gays what the Rockets
need to get to that next road level. I do
think they need to get a closer to me Jeff
to me Green. Unless he becomes a better shooter, he's
gonna you know, he is what he gonna be unless
he improves his outside shot, because team's how to play him.
They just packed the team and darren him to uh

(02:22:17):
beat him from outside. You know, Steve Kurkin not overwrapped
off the game too. He said, okay, you made eight
threes in game two, but we don't think you can
do it four times. And that's basically the bet that
the Curry has made. And uh, he gonna look like
he's gonna uh get get get the money on that
bet and maybe the next couple of games. So he's
gonna have to improve his outside shot. If he don't
do that, then he's a he's a limited, uh offensive player.

(02:22:37):
Another thing, and offseason, if the Rockets can get uh
a number one guy, sure fire number one option, and
then you can kind of bring the groom down to
a number two guy because in the NBA today, man,
it's more of a guard and wing league unless you
have a joker Giannis and uh, I don't think the
Goon's on that level. So I think he's probably better
as a number two option, and jay Green should be

(02:22:57):
your number three options. But he's too inconsistent one two.
So you bring in you know, you might make some trades,
make you bring in them. Maybe Jama Rent maybe you know,
I know he's got a lot of the off the
court issues, but maybe you look at him, maybe you
revisited Kevin Durant or somebody like that. But either maybe
you include Jayden Green in the trade, or if you
do bring a superstar you bring. You bumped Jayleen Green

(02:23:19):
down to a number three.

Speaker 1 (02:23:20):
Yeah, all right, Drawd, Sorry, we got to hit to
a break man. Thank you for getting in. Look that
that's there's not just franchise top ten players growing on trees.
That's the tough part of this building of an NBA team.

Speaker 2 (02:23:34):
The Rockets tanked.

Speaker 1 (02:23:35):
They got a number two pick, a number three pick,
I what, a number four pick, and another number three pick.
You got four top five picks on this team and
right now none of them are superstars. No, no, but
you hit on probably all but one of them. I
just look, if if you man, that's Reach Shepherd slander stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:23:56):
Reach Shepherd went out there hitting shots last night because
he wasn't playing either. I'm just kidding. I just think
that if you end up, you know, this offseason.

Speaker 24 (02:24:04):
You make a deal and it involves Jalen Green, Let's
just say for the sake of argument. Uh huh, I
I do you see him going somewhere and becoming the
next Kobe Bryant.

Speaker 1 (02:24:15):
Not the next Kobe Bryant, but I could see. I mean,
the Clippers traded away Shake gild Alexander. He got his
rook out a lot better. Jalen Brunson was traded by
the Daalax Dallas Mavericks. He's got a lot better. I
think he could be in a situation where he grows
and he gets better. Absolutely, I could see a situation
where he's hit his ceiling already as an NBA player.
We just don't know. It's about what's in here. You know,
he has all the physical physical talent in the world.

(02:24:37):
And I'm pointing in my chest because his radio. It's
about what it's within him. Is he gonna take this
and say, you know what, it's gonna motivate him and
fuel him to be better because players have fallen flat
on their face and their first playoff experiences and come
back and gone better.

Speaker 2 (02:24:50):
Kobe Bryant did just the jazz. We just don't have
that answer.

Speaker 1 (02:24:55):
People brought up the first playoff series that shake guil
just Alexander played again the Rockets in the Bubble. He
was terrible. Yeah, for the balance of that series. You
imagine if he bounced back and he got better.

Speaker 2 (02:25:07):
Yeah, So we don't know.

Speaker 24 (02:25:08):
But this is Jalen Green's fourth season, right, I jay
Gilgess Alexander got traded in a deal for a superstar
at the.

Speaker 2 (02:25:15):
Time in his rookie year. Yeah.

Speaker 24 (02:25:17):
I mean, it's just you have more of a sample
size to make an educated guess whichever way you go.

Speaker 2 (02:25:23):
Zach Lavine didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
Zack Lavine was Jalen Green's biggest comp coming out of
the draft. He didn't have a really good season until
like his sixth year in the NBA. So, I mean,
everybody's on a different timeline. We want him to be
on a faster timeline.

Speaker 2 (02:25:36):
We wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (02:25:36):
John Morant was already taken over the league by year three,
and Edward's taken over the year, taken over the league
by year three, by the way, So he's behind those
those players.

Speaker 24 (02:25:44):
For those of you wanting to try and take advantage
of trade rumors around a guy like John Morant, I
don't think you want to trade for a guy who
can't shoot to put on a team who can't shoot.

Speaker 2 (02:25:54):
That's just that he can't.

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
Shoot threes either, and he's a bad defensive player.

Speaker 2 (02:25:59):
Booker's the play if you do this. Booker's the play.
But yeah, what's that gonna cost you? All Right?

Speaker 1 (02:26:04):
We got to take a break. We got Joe Spotted
coming up. Those on hold will get to you as
soon as I can. I promise. We also have well
phone calls, like I said, and Joe Spot and I
have to tell you all right, those of you on hold,
we appreciate you for getting in.

Speaker 2 (02:26:18):
We'll get you in the last segment if you hold,
I promise.

Speaker 1 (02:26:21):
Right now though, we have to go to the Astros
manager himself. Joe Aspata. Matt is out this week. He's
traveling with the Rockets, and you have me and Adam
with you here. Joe Rockets We've been talking a lot
about them making some lineup changes. You made a change
at the top of your lineup, Jeremy Pania with some
results so far. How much of that was al Tuba

(02:26:44):
is coming to you and that's why you went with
him at the leadoff spot. Are also rewarding Jeremy Penia
for what's been a pretty good couple of weeks offensively
for him.

Speaker 17 (02:26:52):
It both both, you know, I think Jeremy has really
improved his offensive approach, and I think it was a
combination of trying to get him going, trying to mature
as a hitter and continue he's developing his offensive approach,
and also trying to get al tuo w.

Speaker 10 (02:27:10):
You know, locked in.

Speaker 17 (02:27:11):
And I think this two spot will help him. Having
Jeremy in front of him hopefully continues to get on base,
having alto Wen opportunity to potentially hit with some people
on base, have more time to get ready for his
bad sandwich in there between your Don and hopefully creating
some some traffic for two of our best hitters right now,
which is your Don and and and partis with many

(02:27:33):
scoring position.

Speaker 1 (02:27:34):
And uh a lot of the numbers for Jeremy Pania
looked really good as you look at the expected slug,
the hard hit percentage, all that type of stuff. If
it's been way up for him, is this the real deal?
Are we looking at a breakout season? You think from
Jeremy Paanya.

Speaker 17 (02:27:48):
Well, you know what, I'm just going to speak to
to what I see right now. And I really like
the approach his preparation. Every single day, he's putting the
work in exactly what we I've asked him to do,
and he's coming to his own he's trying to figure
some stuff out. So I really like where he's at
right now, and hopefully we could get this going. This

(02:28:09):
will be really good for our lineup if we could
get someone with that kind of speed and that kind
of dynamic approach in the top of our order, and
we could continue moving forward and giving our our you know,
our often some some more chances to to to score
more runs.

Speaker 2 (02:28:24):
And what is that like for you? When you're building lineup?

Speaker 1 (02:28:26):
Do you guys just have some machine and you just
type in against this picture in this matchup, and this
is what it spits out. This is what's going to
score the most runs?

Speaker 17 (02:28:34):
What is that it don't it don't work like that
there's no there's no there's no machine. I wish there
was a machine, but there's no machine. You know, there
there's information that we use. You know, I use information like, uh,
you know what the matchup looks like. Uh, I look
at the pitch shape against some of our hitters that day.
I try to uh stack at the best way we can.

(02:28:56):
But there's no secret sauce to this. You know, you're
trying to put the best players on the you on
in a position to succeed.

Speaker 24 (02:29:02):
Talking to Astros manager Joe Spotty here on Sports Talk
seven ninety Joe Christian Walker with another Homer last night,
how much, in your opinion, and this is the first
time I've had a chance to talk to you in
this kind of setting since the season began. How much
was he putting pressure on himself and how much can
that kind of you know, play mind tricks on a
guy in a situation like his, where he's you know,
he's a guy who's a big addition to the lineup,

(02:29:24):
gets to contract all that kind of stuff, and he
might be pressing a little bit. Do you think that
was going on? You know, what's your assessment of him?
As we get to the tail end of April here.

Speaker 17 (02:29:34):
Yeah, I think he's been transparent in how he's felt
since he got here. You know, he wants to be
he wants to he wants to post, and he's posting.
He's trying to do the best he can. He's trying
to get big hits for us. He knows he was
a big offseason acquisition, and he's trying to you know,
he's trying to to put you know, to produce for us,
and I know eventually he will, and he's starting to

(02:29:56):
come around. I think the last couple of games he's
a his approach has been better, staying in his zone,
hit that ball hard, fastball, kind of opened in the
fastball that he's been trying to get to. That shows
that he's in a better spot. But it we just
need to let you know. It's early in the season.
This guy has been a really good hitter for a
long time. But I think what you know, in the beginning,

(02:30:16):
he was trying really hard. He didn't have much of
a spring training, so he's trying to play a little
bit of a catch up. But I think he's starting
to come when he's on here the last couple of games.

Speaker 1 (02:30:27):
And also in the middle of the lineup. It's nice
to have yord On going. Is it feels like your
job's a lot easier when he's driving in runs, especially
like he did on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (02:30:36):
Oh my goodness, Yes it is.

Speaker 18 (02:30:38):
You know he is.

Speaker 17 (02:30:39):
It's a force when he is, when he comes to
the plate and you know that he's swinging the babble,
when you know he's feeling good. You know, you know,
you know the picture is in danger right he is
getting to that spot where we know that he's really close.
I said this a couple of days ago. He's getting
really close, and one seed clicks. I think everything just

(02:31:03):
comes together.

Speaker 24 (02:31:05):
Joe, let's speaking of a dangerous pictures. I guess you're
talking about it to a picture that's in a dangerous situation.
A guy who's putting in hitters in a lot of
dangerous situations to start the year, as Hunter Brown, I mean,
you've got some real good talent on your staff right now,
and obviously Eric Getty when he comes back, will add
to that along with some other guys.

Speaker 2 (02:31:24):
But even in your wildest.

Speaker 24 (02:31:26):
Best expectations, did you see this kind of start for Hunter.

Speaker 17 (02:31:30):
Yes, to be honest with you, and you know, in
a very humble way. I d see, you know, Hunter
getting out to a really good start based on what
he did last year. He's offseason determined this job, getting
ready for the season, understanding the adjustments that he needed
to make to come out of the gate during the
ball he's doing. He's one of the best in the game,
and I'm not surprised that the success he's having now

(02:31:54):
is to keep them, keep them moving forward.

Speaker 2 (02:31:56):
Keeping him healthy.

Speaker 17 (02:31:58):
This kid is so well prepared.

Speaker 2 (02:32:00):
He wants this so bad.

Speaker 17 (02:32:01):
He has step up to be our age right now.

Speaker 24 (02:32:03):
Yeah, and I mean, without giving too much away, he
had some some mechanical adjustments that he made last season
and had some success. You know after the first month
and a half, two months, maybe what what kind of adjustments,
what kind of preparations are you are you talking about
if you can say, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 2 (02:32:21):
For me, it's more.

Speaker 10 (02:32:24):
How he sees himself.

Speaker 17 (02:32:26):
You know, when you first get to the big leagues,
you're trying to get to know yourself on at the
dimension league level, right like you know, you know, you
think you have a pretty good idea of who you are,
and you think you have a pretty good idea get
how to get you know, hitters in the big leagues.
But unless you go through struggles and the you know,

(02:32:47):
the the struggles and figure out this is not working
for me and allow us to help you make those
adjustments throughout the season, that's when you really learn your
strength and weaknesses as an.

Speaker 2 (02:33:01):
Athlete in general.

Speaker 17 (02:33:02):
And I think that's the thing about Hunter. We all
knew he had the stuff. We all knew that he
had the demeanor to do it, and the grit and
the toughness to do it. He went through some struggles,
he allows us to help him.

Speaker 2 (02:33:12):
You know, let's.

Speaker 17 (02:33:13):
Change how you use your your repertoire. I want, let's
just make these adjustments on how you use your fastball
against rity, how you use your breaking most against let
you know, and he okay, this works for me now
once he gets everything going. Now he is now, I
got it pretty good, idea. How can I prepare myself now?
I know how to read a report. Now I know

(02:33:35):
how to execute my game plan. And that's where he's
at right now.

Speaker 1 (02:33:38):
And speaking of pictures that have things working for him.
Ryan Gusto thrust into a starting role after being in
the bullpen. Uh, what has been the key for him
to be so successful in these spots starts.

Speaker 17 (02:33:51):
You know, right what he does really well. He throws
a ton of strikes. He's not afraid of he's not
afraid of contact. You know, he comes after you, and
you need to have that mentality to pitch in this
level and to sustain success at this level. And I
think he's doing a really good job of that.

Speaker 8 (02:34:09):
Now.

Speaker 17 (02:34:09):
He's trying to get him deep into the games, getting
three times to the lineup. That's always a challenge for
any young pitcher, and we are helping him go through that.
But I'm really real pleased the way he's been throwing
the ball.

Speaker 2 (02:34:20):
Do you have a starter for tomorrow?

Speaker 11 (02:34:24):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (02:34:24):
I do, but I'm not going to share it with
you guys right now. I'll share it with you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:34:27):
Later, all right, all right, keep it close to the vest.
That's okay, Joe. Appreciate the time, and we'll talk to
you next week.

Speaker 17 (02:34:34):
All right, guys, you guys take care, all.

Speaker 2 (02:34:35):
Right, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:34:36):
There you go, Joe Aspada here on the Matt Thomas
Show with Ross. Sometimes as manager, you got to keep
some things close to the vest.

Speaker 2 (02:34:44):
And that's okay. Close to the vest, all right. Those
of you on hold. We will get to you next.

Speaker 1 (02:34:48):
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Thanks to Joe Aspata for the.

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Speaker 2 (02:40:01):
Yes it does. My name is Ross. From the Ross
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Speaker 1 (02:40:09):
Is out, but Adam is here planting.

Speaker 2 (02:40:13):
I mean, hello, he's hanging out. Appreciate him.

Speaker 1 (02:40:16):
Thanks to Joe aspotted for spending a few minutes with
us here on the program.

Speaker 2 (02:40:20):
And honestly, you.

Speaker 1 (02:40:21):
Guys are scaring me with all these Kevin Martin monte
Ellis references and the other guys who just never developed,
who showed some promise and never developed into all star players.

Speaker 24 (02:40:33):
You and I were talking about the whole Kevin Martin, Well,
we were talking about all these comparisons. And you know,
once upon a time the Warriors had to decide between
monte Ellis and Steph Curry, and that's because they had
both on their roster. Though we're just kind of talking
about who Jalen Green is now and what he might become,

(02:40:55):
like what, And that's where you know, nobody has a
crystal ball.

Speaker 2 (02:40:58):
And I was talking with somebody last night within.

Speaker 24 (02:41:02):
The organization and I said to them, you know, if
this doesn't if they don't come back miraculously, I think
Rafel's got some very tough decisions to make this offseason.
Because if you do decide to make a deal, and
it's it's with Phoenix, just because that's that's the most

(02:41:22):
logical way to go.

Speaker 2 (02:41:23):
You've got their picks.

Speaker 24 (02:41:24):
So there's a lot zari a lot right there to
be talked about, but you know, you have to decide
who you're going. Like, if it's Durant, you can kind
of see the parameters of that deal. He's available for
pennies on the dollar because of his age, because of
the fact he doesn't want to be there, and because
of the fact, frankly, that they're in jail with his contract.
They're trying to get out of it and get better.

(02:41:46):
What they're trying to do is rebuild on the fly
around Devin Booker. But if I'm the Rockets and I'm
dealing with Phoenix, and I have their picks, so I
have more leverage than any other team out there that
they're talking to. And let's just say, for the sake
of argument, they try to say, well, well, you know
san Antonio is interested in Durant too. I say, go ahead,
send him to san Antonio with his fifty four million
in his thirty seven years of age. I want Devin

(02:42:08):
Booker if you want your picks back, and I'll give
you Jalen Green for him.

Speaker 1 (02:42:11):
Well, if Jalen Green's not looking that attractive here, he's
probably also not looking that attractive elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (02:42:17):
So we'll see what I like.

Speaker 1 (02:42:20):
I said, My opinion is, and I know what this
is bad sports radio host one oh one. My opinion is,
whatever happens happens. I don't really have a I mean,
if Kevin Durant is here, I'm gonna be happy and excited,
but also he's got age concerns. If Jalen Green stays here,
I've got concerns about him being the guy obviously and
continuing to develop.

Speaker 2 (02:42:38):
So it's just a rock and a hard place.

Speaker 1 (02:42:40):
When you get all these top five picks and none
of them turn out to be superstars at the moment,
this is where you end up. Unfortunately, when you tank
for picks and you don't hit any superstars, you end
up in this.

Speaker 2 (02:42:52):
Not a bad spot.

Speaker 1 (02:42:53):
They won fifty two games, they're the number two seed,
but you're about to be bounced out in the first round.

Speaker 2 (02:42:58):
Is what it looks like right now.

Speaker 1 (02:43:00):
All right, let's go to Richard has been holding way
too long on the phone line.

Speaker 2 (02:43:04):
Let's get Richard in here real quick. What's up, Richard?

Speaker 25 (02:43:06):
Hey, I know, let's talk about Jalen Green.

Speaker 30 (02:43:10):
This Rockets team is young and playoff experience. This is
the first year for a lot of them, right, I mean,
you got Jalen Green and all over. I mean, first year,
we're expecting you know, I know we're expecting to win. Okay,
don't get me wrong, I expect him to win. But
Jalen Green's twenty three and you know, yeah, he's made

(02:43:33):
some mistakes.

Speaker 1 (02:43:34):
He does look like a last night.

Speaker 30 (02:43:37):
He looked like a deer in the headlights the whole
time he was out there.

Speaker 2 (02:43:42):
And to me, that's the head coach has got to
help with that.

Speaker 30 (02:43:45):
In other words, you know you designed place for him.

Speaker 2 (02:43:48):
I know he may have done this already. I'm sure
he has. I've seen him in the season, do it.

Speaker 30 (02:43:53):
You know you designed place for him to get an
open shot, to get him going.

Speaker 10 (02:43:58):
That's what you have to.

Speaker 30 (02:43:59):
Do with players that seem like they're just lost or something.
Instead of sitting him down, Kerr wants you to sit
him down from the Warriors.

Speaker 2 (02:44:08):
He wants you.

Speaker 30 (02:44:08):
Not to play him because he can explode and start
shooting and making him an He's seen the film too.
You know this guy can beat him. But I wanted
just to say that about Day and all of them.
They're young, and they're playing together in the playoffs for
the first time. I mean, they have no experience basically

(02:44:29):
in playoff basketball except for a couple.

Speaker 2 (02:44:31):
You know that have played in the past.

Speaker 1 (02:44:33):
All right, thank you, Richard, I appreciate you getting in.

Speaker 2 (02:44:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:44:37):
There is that part of it that teams often we
talk about this in the NBA all the time, the
teams in their first times going to the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (02:44:44):
It's not usual that.

Speaker 1 (02:44:46):
A team is assembled and the first year they hit
the playoffs they win a championship. I mean the eight
Celtics come to mind on that. But outside of that,
it's been you go through your playoff wars, you advance
further in the playoffs, and then eventually you.

Speaker 2 (02:44:59):
Get to the NBA five ander win the championship.

Speaker 24 (02:45:01):
Yeah, the Celtics had veterans that basically formed a super team,
right so to the heat, so do the Rockets in
the late night Heat didn't win their first try right famously.
But I just the growth, the patience that's needed. And
I'll I'll give the Rockets this, whether it's rafel Stone

(02:45:22):
or Tillman or whoever needs to get the credit, they
absolutely have had patients. I mean, this is the first
playoff series in five years. That is a long time
to be not in the postseason. Especially from where they
came from. And here's the other thing, and I'm gonna
bring this up on our show today. If I told
you last season, after forty one and forty one that
the Rockets are gonna get fifty two wins and be

(02:45:44):
the two seed and they're gonna make the postseason and
they're gonna lose in the first round, you'd probably take that.

Speaker 2 (02:45:50):
Coming from where you were two years prior.

Speaker 1 (02:45:52):
I thought they were gonna be a play in team
this year. Best case scenario is what you were thinking.
I was thinking, Yeah, I was in like a forty
five wins.

Speaker 2 (02:46:00):
I said top six.

Speaker 1 (02:46:02):
I was thinking top I was thinking top seventy, high
forty eight, a high forties win total. If if you
know all things went, you know the way they could have.

Speaker 24 (02:46:10):
I mean, what's crazy about the Rockets is they probably
they probably left five wins on the board at the
minimum this year just by missing free throws.

Speaker 1 (02:46:19):
That's who they are. Though they're thirty out of thirty
in them now, they're not this bad they've been. They
were at seventy four percent on the season, they've been
at sixty two point three percent in the series.

Speaker 24 (02:46:28):
Last night was an abomination, though you lost that game
because of those free throws.

Speaker 1 (02:46:32):
All right, quickly, Chris in San Francisco, what's up, Chris.

Speaker 10 (02:46:36):
Hey brother, good morning, Good morning, good afternoon. I did
not like the Warriors or sailient points.

Speaker 2 (02:46:43):
I'm going to.

Speaker 10 (02:46:43):
Embarrass your coaching staff and your scouting staff.

Speaker 2 (02:46:46):
Uh huh.

Speaker 10 (02:46:47):
Why are we guarding Draymond Green at the top of
the key and not covering the backside on the low post.
You gotta defend from the inside out, not from the outside,
and we got burned all night, all night. Graymond Green
is fake. Now if he wants to blind pick Amir Thompson,
why aren't we blind picked, which is illegal picks and

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knocking the hell out of the Warriors to put them
out of whack.

Speaker 2 (02:47:13):
I don't know, Chris.

Speaker 1 (02:47:13):
Sorry, well that's gonna be it. We appreciate you. It
said Warrior fans on. My plan was to get him
on and then just shut him down, but then he
was saying he was a Rocket fan, so I got confused.

Speaker 2 (02:47:24):
Very weird. I'm sorry. Anyways, Hey, thanks for hanging out,
mister Clinton, you got it.

Speaker 1 (02:47:29):
I appreciate it. Thanks to Chris Gordy for hanging out.
Thanks to Joe a spot for joining the show as well.

Speaker 2 (02:47:33):
My name is Rosby Real.

Speaker 1 (02:47:35):
I will talk to you next coming up at six
for the Astros on Deck show. Actually, now's time for
another Adam to join and for me to leave. His
name is Adam Wetser. They call their show The A
Team and that's coming up next.

Speaker 2 (02:47:45):
Don't go anywhere.