July 23, 2025 • 11 mins
SiriusXM’s JIm Bowden Joins The Show Talking MLB & Houston Astros
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is one on one on Sports Talk seven, hinting
we are very pleased to be joined by a man
you can here on Sirius XM Radio on the Baseball
channel that does a great job. It's MLB Network Radio,
also contributor for the Athletic and has a terrific perspective
because he's a former general manager of the Cincinnati Reds,
longtime baseball executive. Jim Bowden with us here on the
(00:22):
Matt Thomas Shield.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Ross.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Jim, It's Matt and Ross. Thank you for the time,
and we appreciate it. Let me ask you right off
the get go. We know, look, we live through the
world of the Astros and we are completely stunned at
what they're able to do. Five game lead in the
American League West, tied for the second best record in
the American League. Are other cities doing this with their
teams or are the Astros just this incredible one off
(00:44):
of injured players that are just pulling off this miracle
story so.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Far this year.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Well, you've got a great general manager and Dana Brown
who has done incredible things, and I think you have
to start there right, I mean, you know, it's really
hard to move on from a superstar player like Kyle Tucker,
but he was able.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
To pivot and turn that into Cam Smith and he
sacked Paratus. That was an amazing trade for the Houston
Astros to allow them to continue to contend. And he
has done an incredible job of drafting since he's been
there as well. He has a keen eye on prospects
and talent. He's not afraid to promote prospects. He's not
(01:24):
afraid to pull that trigger if he thinks the prospect
is ready to compete and help win at the major
league level. And credit ownership too. I mean, you know,
the ownership of the Astros is the one that continuously
makes these moves right and moved on from aj Hinch
to Dusty Baker to Joe a Spot and moved on
from Jeff Luno to Dana Brown. I mean, he's done
(01:44):
a really good job in that seat, and he gives
his gms the finances it takes to win, the creativity,
not afraid to walk away from giving a bad contract,
and you know, I think it's just a well oiled,
well run organization. And I think one of the things
that stands out about this year's Astros team is how
good they are against good teams, and I always look
(02:07):
for that that matters, especially when you start to look
ahead to October. The Astros are fourteen and four against
the first place teams, when all the teams in the
first place right now, and they've got two aces in
Hunter Brown and from Bervaldez, which means an impact closer,
and hey, they're in a great setup guy in the bray,
which means you can run the table in the playoffs
pretty easily. And they're not done. I mean, look, I
(02:27):
think Dana Brown's either going to get a big starter
or I think he's going to get a big left
handed bat. At the deadline. We'll say we're a week away.
But Houston, you don't have a problem.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You brought up the ownership and one of the things
that we have to fight here with some of our
naive Astro fans is that Jim Crane doesn't spend money.
The Astros are always top seven, top eight and payroll,
and it's been that way for about seven or eight
years now, especially as a team has been good. What
he won't do is he won't do those super mega contracts.
Let's not use Miami, maybe your former team, maybe some
(02:59):
of the the bottom third teams that just haven't had
a history of spending it. But like the top twenty teams,
are other cities fighting for their players to get seven,
eight year, nine year contracts Or is Jim a one
off on this?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
No, everyone's fighting for the same thing, and I think
if you give them, you've got to make sure you're
giving it to the right guy. Now let's go back
in history. Did they make a mistake in not paying
Carlos Korea? No, they didn't make a mistake. The right
decision was to walk away. Jeremy PayNet before he got injured,
was the best player on the Astros this year, so
(03:36):
they were able to replace him. But if you had
given the Korea the Twins contract or what the Giants
had Mets had offered for the medical Knicks, those deals,
you know, everyone regreted. Minnesota doesn't want to have that
on their books right now. I'm sorry. He's a good player.
I love Carlos carea help win a World championship for
Houston in twenty seventeen. I get it. But walking away
(03:56):
was the right movement. And I know George Springer is
having a fountain of youth sees for them, But anyone
that watched in the last two years has to be
happy that the Askers didn't give him that long term deal.
You know, I would say the one that the one
that he didn't do that I think he should have
done was Kyle Tucker. That's just my opinion, because I
think he's going to age extremely well and I think
(04:18):
at one point they could have given him the Austin
Riley deal that the Braves gave to Riley, and that's
the one I would have done. But I give I
give them credit. And you know, look, if you have
a GM that can turn Tucker into camp Smith and
Paradis and keep winning, you know, it's hard to sit
there and argue that Jim Crane didn't make the right decision.
(04:38):
You know, you're gonna have six years of cam Smith
And by the way, you know, were you gonna pay
Tucker six hundred million?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
See, when you could have signed them at the at
the Austin Riley deal, that would have been a good investment.
You can't sign Tucker now. That's why they had to
trade him because otherwise he's going to be six hundred million.
And you know you're not Philip, You're not in New York, Philadelphia, LA.
You know you're top eight market, but you're not. You
know you don't have the revenues that they have. So
you know, to put six hundred million on one player, No,
(05:07):
you go trade for camp Smith and Paradis.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Jim Bowden with us here on Sports Talk seven ninety
Ross with you as well here Jim and I had
a question for you about the Astros having a lot
of pitchers on the IL, but a lot of these
guys rehabbing. What do you think philosophically if you can
put yourself in Dana Brown's shoes where you've got guys
like Spencer Arraghetti, Christian Javier Luis Garcia possibly coming back,
(05:30):
but you need starting pitching. What is it like for
you trying to weigh when guys are coming back and
addressing the need at the deadline.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You always have a need go get as many as
you can. Here's what you can't control, and you haven't
been control and been able to control it for six years.
For six years. You can't make waiver trades in August,
So if you get two more injuries in August, what
are you gonna do? You can only bring up the
guys in Triple A. It's not like you can do
what you did in twenty seventeen when you traded for
Justin Burlander on August thirty first and ended up winning
(06:01):
a world championship. Right, It's not going to be like,
you know, when the Rangers Chris Young went out and
traded for Jordan Montgomery when everyone else is trying to
get him, and he won a world championship with Jordan Montgomery.
So you can't you know, you don't know who's gonna
get hurt in August and September. All you have to
do is look at the Dodgers injury list. They have
eleven guys on the injured list, a lot of their
star pitchers on the injured list. Right, take a deep breath,
(06:24):
and let's understand that's part of baseball in twenty twenty five.
Because we're doing such a great job of teaching pitchers
how to maximize velocity, maximized player movement, maximize grips, guys
are going to get hurt because the body, the pitching body,
when you're born, was not meant to do this. It
wasn't meant to throw a hundred. It wasn't the elbow
(06:45):
wasn't meant to be bent at the angles that we're
bending it now. The pitchers are gonna blow out. You
can't get enough. You just can't. So don't count on guys.
Just keep trading for as much pitching as you can,
and when you're done doing that, go get some more.
And when you're done doing that, get more than that.
You'll never have enough.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's interesting you bring that up, because I was actually
going to talk about that with you as well as
is this just the new normal? This is just how
it's gonna be. You just build teams and get as
much pitching and guys are just gonna blow their arms out.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, and then we've got to help. The medical team
continues to find ways to improve the surgeries. I mean,
you know, I think this new brace surgery is working.
Look at Lucas Gilder in Boston. It's working. That's exciting,
you know. And we've got Brandon Woodruff coming back from
the shoulder surgery at a level where it looks like
he hasn't missed a beat. He looks like at Nce
(07:35):
right now in Milwaukee. You know, back in the day
when I was a GM, there's no chance you come
back from that shoulder but the medical profession is really
figuring out how to get guys healthy. But you're still
gonna have to You've got to imagine that every picture
you have at some point is going to miss a
year and a half with Tommy John surgery. You just
got to bang every time you sign a guy, you've
(07:56):
got to tell your own. If you're gonna give Corbyn
Burns eight years, you got to tell them you're only
gonna get at six, and you're only gonna get four
good years, and you're gonna get two years where you
regress in two years where he's on the injured list.
And that's just what you have to expect. That's where
we are right now. That's where the industry is until
someone can figure out a better way to do it.
That's what you're looking at.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
A couple more minutes here with Jim Bound with us
from MLB Network Radio and Sirius XM. Jim speaking of pitching,
what's the market going to be on Fromberveldez next year?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
He gonna get paid. If the blind's a man, they're
not out there, He's gonna get paid. He won't be
an astro. I mean, I don't I don't see how
I don't see how Jim Crane and Dana Brown are
gonna be able to pay him. I really don't. So,
I mean, I'd like to be optimistic and say it's
gonna happen, but you know, when you're competing with the
Yankees checkbook and the Dodgers check book and the Mets checkbook,
(08:46):
it's you know, it's it's hard to keep these guys
and they all get overpaid. And as I just explained,
once you sign them everything you've seen for the last
five years, don't think you're going to see it the
next five years. At some point he's gonna get hurt
and he's going to miss time. It's gonna happen. At
some point, he's gonna regress. That's the way it happened.
So the question is do you want to go and
(09:08):
take the two hundred and twenty million dollar gamble or
do you want to do what the Mets are doing.
I mean, that's look, it's it's risky, but you also
have to understand if you're going to commit the two
hundred twenty million, you might have to do what Arizona's
doing and look at him on the injured list, which
doesn't feel good at that money.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, all right, crystal Ball time, And don't worry if
you're not, since you're doing the show in Houston here,
you do. I'mi to be Network radio for a huge audience.
But give us your crystal ball assessment to how this
American League Playoffs is going to end up here in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well, the Astars are going to win the American League
West and they're going to get into the playoffs, and
then from there it's a total crapshoot. I think Houston
has as good a chance of any of getting to
the World Series. If I had to pick a team today,
I would pick Houston getting there, But that's subject to change.
We've got a long way to go. I do like
(10:01):
how they're set up with two aces too, impact relievers
at the back, and a team that you know, grinds
the way they grind every day. But you know, I
don't think there's a lot of difference between Yankees, Blue Jays,
Red Sox, Tigers, Mariners, and I think the Rangers are
going to get back in this race too. I mean,
I think we're I think we're in for a really
fun October because I don't think you look at the
(10:23):
National League. I think they have six teams in the
National League literally can get to the World Series. I
believe that. And if I look at the playoffs in
the American League, what you're asking me and say, Okay,
which playoff team has no chance of getting to the
World Series. There isn't one. They all have a chance.
We don't have, in my opinion, the team in either
league right now today that is so dominant that they
(10:45):
should be the clear favorites.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And very last question, we're watching a certain very talented
third basement for Arizona Damabacks play the Astros this week
and he has been named up mister Suarez, we're speaking of.
What do you think he ends up here in the
next eleven twelve days.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I don't know. That's a Mike Hazen question. The gam
of the Diamondbacks. I talked to Mike on Sunday and
asked him, and he is hoping he doesn't sell at
the deadline. He said, I hope we have a really
good week, and I hope I can choke the supply
and help the sellers out by just taking Arizona out
of being a seller. That's what he's hoping to do.
(11:21):
We'll see how they play. You know, they're five and
a half games out. If we're sitting here next week
and they're three and a half out, he's not going
to trade him, so he'll be a diamondback. If we're
looking at it next week and he's seven and a
half games out and loses a couple more games, he's
going to get traded. And then I think you have
to look at Yankees, Seattle Cubs as the most likely
landing spots.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Jim, I enjoy your work on MLB Network Radio. Thank
you so much for the time. We hope to bother
you again down the road, and we really appreciate your
perspective on things. And enjoy the rest of your day
and enjoy this trade deadline coming up next week.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Thank you very much. I appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Thank you, Jim Bounden joining us your excellent guest here
on the Matt Thomas Show.
It is one on one on Sports Talk seven, hinting
we are very pleased to be joined by a man
you can here on Sirius XM Radio on the Baseball
channel that does a great job. It's MLB Network Radio,
also contributor for the Athletic and has a terrific perspective
because he's a former general manager of the Cincinnati Reds,
longtime baseball executive. Jim Bowden with us here on the
(00:22):
Matt Thomas Shield.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Ross.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Jim, It's Matt and Ross. Thank you for the time,
and we appreciate it. Let me ask you right off
the get go. We know, look, we live through the
world of the Astros and we are completely stunned at
what they're able to do. Five game lead in the
American League West, tied for the second best record in
the American League. Are other cities doing this with their
teams or are the Astros just this incredible one off
(00:44):
of injured players that are just pulling off this miracle
story so.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Far this year.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Well, you've got a great general manager and Dana Brown
who has done incredible things, and I think you have
to start there right, I mean, you know, it's really
hard to move on from a superstar player like Kyle Tucker,
but he was able.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
To pivot and turn that into Cam Smith and he
sacked Paratus. That was an amazing trade for the Houston
Astros to allow them to continue to contend. And he
has done an incredible job of drafting since he's been
there as well. He has a keen eye on prospects
and talent. He's not afraid to promote prospects. He's not
(01:24):
afraid to pull that trigger if he thinks the prospect
is ready to compete and help win at the major
league level. And credit ownership too. I mean, you know,
the ownership of the Astros is the one that continuously
makes these moves right and moved on from aj Hinch
to Dusty Baker to Joe a Spot and moved on
from Jeff Luno to Dana Brown. I mean, he's done
(01:44):
a really good job in that seat, and he gives
his gms the finances it takes to win, the creativity,
not afraid to walk away from giving a bad contract,
and you know, I think it's just a well oiled,
well run organization. And I think one of the things
that stands out about this year's Astros team is how
good they are against good teams, and I always look
(02:07):
for that that matters, especially when you start to look
ahead to October. The Astros are fourteen and four against
the first place teams, when all the teams in the
first place right now, and they've got two aces in
Hunter Brown and from Bervaldez, which means an impact closer,
and hey, they're in a great setup guy in the bray,
which means you can run the table in the playoffs
pretty easily. And they're not done. I mean, look, I
(02:27):
think Dana Brown's either going to get a big starter
or I think he's going to get a big left
handed bat. At the deadline. We'll say we're a week away.
But Houston, you don't have a problem.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You brought up the ownership and one of the things
that we have to fight here with some of our
naive Astro fans is that Jim Crane doesn't spend money.
The Astros are always top seven, top eight and payroll,
and it's been that way for about seven or eight
years now, especially as a team has been good. What
he won't do is he won't do those super mega contracts.
Let's not use Miami, maybe your former team, maybe some
(02:59):
of the the bottom third teams that just haven't had
a history of spending it. But like the top twenty teams,
are other cities fighting for their players to get seven,
eight year, nine year contracts Or is Jim a one
off on this?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
No, everyone's fighting for the same thing, and I think
if you give them, you've got to make sure you're
giving it to the right guy. Now let's go back
in history. Did they make a mistake in not paying
Carlos Korea? No, they didn't make a mistake. The right
decision was to walk away. Jeremy PayNet before he got injured,
was the best player on the Astros this year, so
(03:36):
they were able to replace him. But if you had
given the Korea the Twins contract or what the Giants
had Mets had offered for the medical Knicks, those deals,
you know, everyone regreted. Minnesota doesn't want to have that
on their books right now. I'm sorry. He's a good player.
I love Carlos carea help win a World championship for
Houston in twenty seventeen. I get it. But walking away
(03:56):
was the right movement. And I know George Springer is
having a fountain of youth sees for them, But anyone
that watched in the last two years has to be
happy that the Askers didn't give him that long term deal.
You know, I would say the one that the one
that he didn't do that I think he should have
done was Kyle Tucker. That's just my opinion, because I
think he's going to age extremely well and I think
(04:18):
at one point they could have given him the Austin
Riley deal that the Braves gave to Riley, and that's
the one I would have done. But I give I
give them credit. And you know, look, if you have
a GM that can turn Tucker into camp Smith and
Paradis and keep winning, you know, it's hard to sit
there and argue that Jim Crane didn't make the right decision.
(04:38):
You know, you're gonna have six years of cam Smith
And by the way, you know, were you gonna pay
Tucker six hundred million?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
See, when you could have signed them at the at
the Austin Riley deal, that would have been a good investment.
You can't sign Tucker now. That's why they had to
trade him because otherwise he's going to be six hundred million.
And you know you're not Philip, You're not in New York, Philadelphia, LA.
You know you're top eight market, but you're not. You
know you don't have the revenues that they have. So
you know, to put six hundred million on one player, No,
(05:07):
you go trade for camp Smith and Paradis.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Jim Bowden with us here on Sports Talk seven ninety
Ross with you as well here Jim and I had
a question for you about the Astros having a lot
of pitchers on the IL, but a lot of these
guys rehabbing. What do you think philosophically if you can
put yourself in Dana Brown's shoes where you've got guys
like Spencer Arraghetti, Christian Javier Luis Garcia possibly coming back,
(05:30):
but you need starting pitching. What is it like for
you trying to weigh when guys are coming back and
addressing the need at the deadline.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You always have a need go get as many as
you can. Here's what you can't control, and you haven't
been control and been able to control it for six years.
For six years. You can't make waiver trades in August,
So if you get two more injuries in August, what
are you gonna do? You can only bring up the
guys in Triple A. It's not like you can do
what you did in twenty seventeen when you traded for
Justin Burlander on August thirty first and ended up winning
(06:01):
a world championship. Right, It's not going to be like,
you know, when the Rangers Chris Young went out and
traded for Jordan Montgomery when everyone else is trying to
get him, and he won a world championship with Jordan Montgomery.
So you can't you know, you don't know who's gonna
get hurt in August and September. All you have to
do is look at the Dodgers injury list. They have
eleven guys on the injured list, a lot of their
star pitchers on the injured list. Right, take a deep breath,
(06:24):
and let's understand that's part of baseball in twenty twenty five.
Because we're doing such a great job of teaching pitchers
how to maximize velocity, maximized player movement, maximize grips, guys
are going to get hurt because the body, the pitching body,
when you're born, was not meant to do this. It
wasn't meant to throw a hundred. It wasn't the elbow
(06:45):
wasn't meant to be bent at the angles that we're
bending it now. The pitchers are gonna blow out. You
can't get enough. You just can't. So don't count on guys.
Just keep trading for as much pitching as you can,
and when you're done doing that, go get some more.
And when you're done doing that, get more than that.
You'll never have enough.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's interesting you bring that up, because I was actually
going to talk about that with you as well as
is this just the new normal? This is just how
it's gonna be. You just build teams and get as
much pitching and guys are just gonna blow their arms out.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, and then we've got to help. The medical team
continues to find ways to improve the surgeries. I mean,
you know, I think this new brace surgery is working.
Look at Lucas Gilder in Boston. It's working. That's exciting,
you know. And we've got Brandon Woodruff coming back from
the shoulder surgery at a level where it looks like
he hasn't missed a beat. He looks like at Nce
(07:35):
right now in Milwaukee. You know, back in the day
when I was a GM, there's no chance you come
back from that shoulder but the medical profession is really
figuring out how to get guys healthy. But you're still
gonna have to You've got to imagine that every picture
you have at some point is going to miss a
year and a half with Tommy John surgery. You just
got to bang every time you sign a guy, you've
(07:56):
got to tell your own. If you're gonna give Corbyn
Burns eight years, you got to tell them you're only
gonna get at six, and you're only gonna get four
good years, and you're gonna get two years where you
regress in two years where he's on the injured list.
And that's just what you have to expect. That's where
we are right now. That's where the industry is until
someone can figure out a better way to do it.
That's what you're looking at.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
A couple more minutes here with Jim Bound with us
from MLB Network Radio and Sirius XM. Jim speaking of pitching,
what's the market going to be on Fromberveldez next year?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
He gonna get paid. If the blind's a man, they're
not out there, He's gonna get paid. He won't be
an astro. I mean, I don't I don't see how
I don't see how Jim Crane and Dana Brown are
gonna be able to pay him. I really don't. So,
I mean, I'd like to be optimistic and say it's
gonna happen, but you know, when you're competing with the
Yankees checkbook and the Dodgers check book and the Mets checkbook,
(08:46):
it's you know, it's it's hard to keep these guys
and they all get overpaid. And as I just explained,
once you sign them everything you've seen for the last
five years, don't think you're going to see it the
next five years. At some point he's gonna get hurt
and he's going to miss time. It's gonna happen. At
some point, he's gonna regress. That's the way it happened.
So the question is do you want to go and
(09:08):
take the two hundred and twenty million dollar gamble or
do you want to do what the Mets are doing.
I mean, that's look, it's it's risky, but you also
have to understand if you're going to commit the two
hundred twenty million, you might have to do what Arizona's
doing and look at him on the injured list, which
doesn't feel good at that money.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, all right, crystal Ball time, And don't worry if
you're not, since you're doing the show in Houston here,
you do. I'mi to be Network radio for a huge audience.
But give us your crystal ball assessment to how this
American League Playoffs is going to end up here in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well, the Astars are going to win the American League
West and they're going to get into the playoffs, and
then from there it's a total crapshoot. I think Houston
has as good a chance of any of getting to
the World Series. If I had to pick a team today,
I would pick Houston getting there, But that's subject to change.
We've got a long way to go. I do like
(10:01):
how they're set up with two aces too, impact relievers
at the back, and a team that you know, grinds
the way they grind every day. But you know, I
don't think there's a lot of difference between Yankees, Blue Jays,
Red Sox, Tigers, Mariners, and I think the Rangers are
going to get back in this race too. I mean,
I think we're I think we're in for a really
fun October because I don't think you look at the
(10:23):
National League. I think they have six teams in the
National League literally can get to the World Series. I
believe that. And if I look at the playoffs in
the American League, what you're asking me and say, Okay,
which playoff team has no chance of getting to the
World Series. There isn't one. They all have a chance.
We don't have, in my opinion, the team in either
league right now today that is so dominant that they
(10:45):
should be the clear favorites.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And very last question, we're watching a certain very talented
third basement for Arizona Damabacks play the Astros this week
and he has been named up mister Suarez, we're speaking of.
What do you think he ends up here in the
next eleven twelve days.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I don't know. That's a Mike Hazen question. The gam
of the Diamondbacks. I talked to Mike on Sunday and
asked him, and he is hoping he doesn't sell at
the deadline. He said, I hope we have a really
good week, and I hope I can choke the supply
and help the sellers out by just taking Arizona out
of being a seller. That's what he's hoping to do.
(11:21):
We'll see how they play. You know, they're five and
a half games out. If we're sitting here next week
and they're three and a half out, he's not going
to trade him, so he'll be a diamondback. If we're
looking at it next week and he's seven and a
half games out and loses a couple more games, he's
going to get traded. And then I think you have
to look at Yankees, Seattle Cubs as the most likely
landing spots.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Jim, I enjoy your work on MLB Network Radio. Thank
you so much for the time. We hope to bother
you again down the road, and we really appreciate your
perspective on things. And enjoy the rest of your day
and enjoy this trade deadline coming up next week.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Thank you very much. I appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Thank you, Jim Bounden joining us your excellent guest here
on the Matt Thomas Show.
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