Astros 4-Game Streak Snapped, Texans Training Camp Continues, Astros Possible Pickups Before Deadline

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Salsbury.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Okay, let's do this Sewn Salisbury to usc true longtime friend,
Shawn Salisbury, Dan Matthews. This is the Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Shane Jepany bulls in and that's a fair ball into
the right field quarter.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Rochelle is gonna score easily, and they're gonna send the
second runner. Here comes Schumann to the plate.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
A one hop ben he is oh.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Bang bang play at the plate. The head first slide
tag applied by Carratini.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Excellent relay by Matthews. Here's the one too, and that's
hit in the air and deep to left and al
twov will just watch that one go into the Landrys
Crawford boxes for Laris Arrius his eighth home run of
the season, and it's a five to nothing. A's lead
the kick and the pitch and Singleton hits it high

(01:06):
in the air out to center field, over toward left
center goes Butler, a couple of steps from the track,
makes the catch and that is the ball game. So
the Athletics, in the Astros win streak at four games,
take the first game of this four game set by
a five to two score.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well, that's stunk.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
Welcome on into Jean Salisbury shown he's Sean Salisbury. I
am not Dan Matthews. I am not Chris Gorny. Now
I'm Cole Thompson. We got triple Lee on the ones
and two's pushing the right buttons. A five to two
victory last night for the Oakland not even Oakland, whatever
you want to call them, athletics over they're Oakland. And
so for the notice, Houston Texans began training camp and

(01:46):
the MLB trade deadline officially underway. With one of the
major news dropping in the American League West Josh Naylor
leaving Arizona headed on over to Seattle seven one three, two,
two nine. If you want to chime on in Sean
five to two last night for the whatever Athletics that
you want to call West Sacramento. Luis Severino, guy who

(02:06):
has shown you that when he's not playing in a
minor league ballpark, look like a major league pitcher. Eight strikeouts,
Jason Alexander gets called on up. Five runs allowed in
six innings of work, Big Homish. Nick Kurtz gets the
scoring going with the two run RBI double, and now
we have some questions going into Friday night as a
move has been made in the American League West. I think,

(02:29):
in my personal opinion, I want to get your take
on this biggest takeaway. You got to add a number
five pitcher at this point.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, and I still think you need judging by the
lack of consistent runs, I think you need a And
it's good to have you here this morning. A good
power bat. I don't know if one, but I don't
know if it's gonna be a wow factor move. But
you're gonna have to make a move. But the question
is what are you going to want to give up?
And it's gonna sting if you're going to get somebody
that is going to be a difference maker. It just

(02:56):
is here and I do think they need it. And
yet here we are talking about a team that needs
It's like seventeen eighteen games over five hundred and has
been you know, even when they haven't played their best,
has been able to maintain what it got down to
three games and they took care of their business in
Arizona at three straight. So yeah, there's got to be
a move. The question is is it is it extra aggressive?

(03:18):
Is it? You know, you know, what if if we
get the right move and data Brown had mentioned on Wednesday,
goes the efficiency part of it of doing what's best
for not just today, but what's best for this team
and what's best moving forward for the organization, you know,
and that comes with is it a rental which they're
not afraid of as he told me on Wednesday. So yeah,
you know, the Naylor move obviously gives them some more
power and some more depth meaning Seattle, and they plan on.

(03:41):
It's obvious they're in the buying business right now, and
so I would imagine the Astros are as well, and
maybe the Rangers and Yankees. There's going to be a
competitive market for that's the problem. And it's you know,
you're when three or four teams that's negotiations and bidding.
It's not when it's you one person. The problem is
when there's three or four that on the same guy.
Guys out there, you know, the Mariners getting a first

(04:02):
basement in Naylor. You know, a team like the Dodgers,
who's going to jump all in on a guy like
Class A And you're going to start to see that stuff.
And so the bodies that are out there, what kind
of move is it? Is it a oh my gosh,
look what they gave up or oh, okay, that's a
good ad and a good piece to the puzzle. Christian
Walker starting to swing the bat better so at first base,
and the whole key here is getting healthy. And you

(04:22):
and I both know that the question is win. How
many times are we going to say that? So I'm
with you though, and another starting pitcher, and last night,
in truth, considering you know what Jason Alexander did normally
in a normal occurrence, I don't think you would have
seen him in that long But you need at this
stage of the game guys to grind through eleven hits
and six innings to where you don't have to crush

(04:44):
your bullpen. You use a couple of guys and get out.
And that's what happened. And the problem is for them,
they're letting teams get out in front of them. There's
what fifteen straight games now where they are that's exactly
right where the other team scores first. And that's usually
been an Astro strength in the last decade or eight
or ten years here. So and I hate at home

(05:07):
losing to a team that quite frankly, you're not supposed
to lose to, but it does happen. And we know
that sixty of them you're gonna lose regardless during the season.
So but you know, Oakland scraps, and they seem to
always do this to teams, and they're always somewhere, somehow
affecting a playoff run even though we're sixty games or
so away. It's it's getting to the point when you
talk about injuries that you this is no longer dog days.

(05:29):
In my opinion, it's a stretch run mixed in with
you can be tiring with football and it's hot. So
I'm with you. They've got to get players. They've got
to get I think more than one, and it may
very well be a guy that can play every day,
but also a pitcher. I'm with you, but if you
have the choice, I always take pitching. Yet Steve Spark
said on Monday that he would he would prefer hitting

(05:51):
right now because he trusts the pitching more, which I get.
So there it's you know, here here we are talking
about all these problems in this teams. What five games
in front and first place? Are? They know? They I
didn't Seattle. What happened last night with Seattle didn't play?
That's right? Okay, there's five that's exactly right, because it's Thursday.
They had it. Now they'll play a three game series,
so there's still they made what they lost to half
a game to last night because they lost in the

(06:14):
in the win in the lost column. But yeah, it's
still they're playing really, really good baseball for a team
that's been so inconsistent at the plate. But the Nailor
move obviously opens it up because it's in the division
and it won't be the last move in the division.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Isn't it beautiful that we're complaining about the Astros losing
to a team that's sitting twenty games under five hundred yep,
still six games about five games above in the American
League West. Yeah, still finding ways to win with a
basically triple A roster, leaving the Majors currently in the
most players on the injured list. Still no timeline on
Jeremy Panis, Still no timeline on Nissak Parades, Still no

(06:47):
timeline on Jake Myers. We've only heard samples of Juron
Avarez coming on back, Christian Hoveer JP France, Luis Garcia,
you throw in Spencer Arraghetti. They're all going through rehab
assignments and we're complaining because we know what the expectation
is like that, that's what the problem is. And when
Jason Alexander isn't moonlighting sitting inside of a bar with
Cherry Seinfeld, he is paying picture for the Houston Astros

(07:09):
minor league team.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
He got called up.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
He was supposed to be that stopgap guy coming on home.
They're going to go back to the Colton Gordon. They're
going to go back to the random Walter type of
style moving forward, which again has been beneficial.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
And you have Ryan Gusser that's playing in the pen.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
My big concern is I don't want to have to
worry about when we get to August and we don't
know what the stasses of Lance mccullors. And we're still
waiting for the spring training to win for Christian hobby
Yer and we're still waiting for Christian, I mean for
Spencer Raghetty to get ramped up. We're not making these
type of moves because of after this stretch with games
against the Athletics and the Walgreens version of the Washington

(07:46):
Nationals that are taking phone calls for their star pitcher,
Mackenzie Gore, they've already waved the white flag on twenty
twenty five, they're entering yet another rebuilding system. You begin
a trek of games and a nine game road trip
that you would like to leave and come back to
dik And Park with a winning record on that road trip,
and when you have to turn to that extra guy

(08:07):
that has to be the stop gap starter or the
bullpen arm, that is like the travel mule Dad becomes
a concern.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
I would like to know who is gonna be picture
number five.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
And the reason I say that, Sean is not because
of I worry about what's gonna happen if you have
to throw a Colton Gordon out there, or what's gonna
happen you have to throw a Brandon Walter right there,
because they've been good. But for me, it's having that
stability of Okay, we're going into a five game series
in the playoffs. I know who is everyday starter, and
I know who I can move to the pen if
I have to.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
That's where I'm at. Yeah, And as an overall team,
they're gonna have one hundred and fifty different lineups this year.
They are one hundred right now. So there we go,
and they just are so I'll be honest with you,
I'm less worried about Gordon and Walter than I am
Lance mccullors. And I'm not even talking about the injury.
I don't I trust Walter more than I do Lance

(08:59):
mccollors right now. And what will happen if they don't
get a picture at the deadline. It's going to tell
you very simply that they believe, with Garcia and Arraghetti
and Javier and their rehab assignments and Corpus Christie and Sugarland,
that they're closer than we expected. I didn't expect Javier
to pitch this year, so anything's a bonus to get him.
So I get the point that the truth is, this
may just be one of those years where once you

(09:20):
get by the first and second guy, there's four or
five guys. You know this guy's out for a week
or fifteen days, and Lance mccolors, and you know you're
going to keep running Walter out there, and guess what,
it's okay. But I would be great to have another
a number three. Hell, for the hell with number five.
I could get a number three, but there's a price
to come with that. Like I said, you're gonna and

(09:41):
you don't want to part with Bryce Matthews. You don't
want to part with Melton right now? You would, You're
sure as hell don't want to give up somebody that's
been making a difference. Look what Tremel has done for
this roster this year. Three more hits last night and
he was hitting what in the leadoff spot? So they're
doing I mean, it's if I looked at you, and
I've said this to Dan, and I've said this to

(10:02):
our listeners, if I told you that this was going
to be their record one hundred games in and all
those guys we just mentioned are healthy, you would have
taken it. Not only would you have taken it, you
just said, Dan, we got a World Series chance. The
only reason that people aren't all in, or that have
one toe or eight toes in, not all ten toes
with the world World Series because they think the other

(10:24):
shoe's going to fall off. You can't do this with
this guy and this guy and this guy. Yet this
guy and this guy and this guy is what this
franchise has been built on. Other people just somehow when
they come up, it's just different. They play different. Nobody
expected cam Smith to be doing this Paradus has exceeded expectations,
especially when you look at the two guys that they
replaced and the expectations put on them. So you do

(10:45):
I think there, yes, do I think to be to
get in a long series, and their grit is Dana
Brown mentions, and their resilience is well documented. But to
get in a long series, you know, when you get
to the postseason, it's going to take Hell what happened
in a short series against Detroit. I think there's this
perception that you have to have stars to win a championship.

(11:06):
You have to have people that play like stars at
the right time to win a championship in any sport.
Brad Johnson wasn't a star quarterback teammate of mind, but
he went onto a Pro Bowl and won a Super
Bowl because he made the right decisions at the right time.
There are stars that didn't make the decisions at the
right time and cost your team and are not in
the Super Bowl. And I can go through those stars
now on Sundays on a regular basis. So same thing

(11:27):
with baseball. Somehow, some way, this team believes far more
than maybe we walking down the street do about how
the resilience is I think that sometimes it's a slap
in the face. We saw they're resilient in grit, yet
we don't talk about you still got to be pretty
talented to do some of the things that these kids do,
or these young players or journeymen do when they get here.
There's just a different buy in when they show up here.

(11:49):
But in order to I think, get the security blanket
you're looking for. A move at the deadline almost gives
you like, oh, okay, we went and got that guy,
all right. Now when we get healthy, you're going to
have a well an embarrassment of riches on the mound
if those guys are fully healthy when they come back.
I still think this has especially in the American League,
because the front two starters can get you wins in

(12:10):
any ballpark, home or away during the playoffs. Matter of fact,
you'd be hard pressed to say that going in now
and you face Scooble or when you go and face
somebody else in the World Series. There's good pitchers everywhere,
but when those two roll out there, you got you
know that you can be up to zero against anybody,
and that's a good thing. The problem is can you
sustain it if it's a long series, and how good

(12:32):
are these guys' guts when you have to throw Walter
and it's the postseason and it's game four, So that
that's what's happened. They have to make a move if
it's nothing more than their own security blanket. But and
here we are complaining, and they've got damn near a
half dozen game leads with a bunch of guys that
you mentioned are Triple A players. But if this is
the case, we're going to live on man alive. This

(12:54):
is a house money. Even though players don't look at
its house money, they look at it as well, I
just got an opera, Tnity, I'm season it and they're
doing a hell of a job of it.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
Here's what I'm not gonna do. Because you brought this up.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
They are currently still in first place in the American League.
If the season we're two end today, they would miss
the wild card round, they would host the majority of
the playoff games in the American League, and they would
probably get at least one or two players back before
the end of it. So we're complaining literally because of
we're not seeing the players that were accustomed to seeing

(13:25):
going out there and mashing balls and not having that
rotational picture. But I look at this, I'm still sitting
there and I'm like, the astros are inevitable. Why am
I going to question the voodoo magic that is happening
down in sugar Land right now?

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Because again, you don't know the names, right, They're not
the stars that are supposed to do it. Yet if,
like I said, if the name's changed and this is
exactly what you were getting, you'd say, man, I'd love
to be more consistent hitting, but we're pretty good.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Nobody is complaining about a three point fifteen Jeremy Panyna
hitting in the lead off spot with the sixty and
forty three record if it's Jeremy panya But we're complaining
because of Jeremy Pangya youor and On Alvarez, Jake Myers.
They're all in the il and we have to watch
Taylor Trammel, John Singleton who now wears thirty five, which
is still weird to say. And you got throw in
whoever it is, Zach Shorter, Price Matthews hitting in the

(14:12):
seven or eight hole.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
So that's kind of where we are.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
This is where the Astros kind of have to live
going into Friday nights.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Game.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
But there is a move that happen with the deadline,
which is Josh Naylor. This is the first ALBUMO to Fall.
You and I are both in agreement that they have
to make one move. I personally think it's for the outfield.
But we're gonna take a quick time outbreak when we
come back. What we are going to talk about is
the asking price. You already saw what it was going
to cost to Landay Josh Naylor. What is it going
to cost the land Gino Suarez for a team and

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how is that going to change the path for the
Astros to where they may have to sit down and
have an honest conversation. Who are players that we can
part with? Who are players that we can turn into
a Joey lo Berfito two point zero and Atalanta pitcher
or an outfielder.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
Who are players that we know are part of the
long term plan.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
We'll discuss that much much more when we come back
right here on the Sewn Salisbury Show, What Sports Talks
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Speaker 5 (16:54):
Sean, we kind of end last segment talking about what
is going to be the trade deadline. Josh Naylor is
the big piece to get Pandora's box open and the
ball rolling heads to Seattle had a really good season.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Not the power really was there out in Arizona.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
I don't think the power will be there in terms
of he's gonna get the long ball in Seattle.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
It's a pitcher's park.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
We know that.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
But two ninety two average over eight hundred oh ps.
He was number two on the team in doubles, he
was number two three on the team in extra base hits.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
You're adding him.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
To a lineup that has exceptional pitching, elite pitching when
it's at its finest. But Brian Woo with Logan Gilbert,
with George Kirby, you also have players that are starting
to step on up offensively. You're getting better play from
JP Crawford, and you're seeing as Julio Rodriguezz kind of
turned the corner. Cal Rolly would be the MVP if
Aaron Judge didn't exists. Randy a Rosarina is hitting well

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in the cleanup spot, and you put Naylor in the
five hole. It now at least makes you a team
that I would say is competitive in the American League
wildcard race.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
Doesn't mean they're gonna win.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
It doesn't mean that they're gonna surpass the Astros, doesn't
mean they're gonna be anything more than the last place
roster in the wild card. But they've done the part
to where Now if you're the Astros, now, if you're
the Red Sox, now after the Yankees, Now, if you're
the Rays, you gotta make a counter moved to be
able to stay in the race.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Well, I don't even to me, I'm gonna give them
more respect than just oh, they're gonna fight and scratch
for a wild card. I'm gonna tell you what. The
Astros blink and those Mariners won't go away. So you're
fully commissing all. And I was convinced that they're gonna
compete Naylor or no Nailor because they can pitch, and hell,
they're no different from this team. Struggle hitting at times,

(18:33):
get good pitching. And the truth is, when you talk
about they're starting at least the name value in some
of the production, the pass from their starting pitching is
deeper than this one. I mean outside the first two.
But you go, they went into the season. You're talking
about four or five deep there, and so do the Rangers.
You know, their front two with the Gram and Evaldi
are pretty damn good. So I don't I not for one.

(18:56):
I'm like, yeah, they'll struggle to get to them, and
they may, but all they did was add to what
it was there, not perceived weakness. What is their weakness?
You didn't fear the bats. Rose rain always gives you
pop and we know cal Rawley's doing stuff is like damn.
But other than that, they're scrambling around trying to find
a way to get consistent runs too. What Naylor gives

(19:16):
you even though maybe the home run power's not there,
he slugs the ball. He does have potential to have
a big second half home run wise, but you can
see from his ops the guy does have. When you
trade for a guy that's going to be, you know,
in the middle of your lineup somewhere, that's a good get.
And they didn't wait till it got to the trade

(19:37):
deadline next week where you're dealing. They went out and
got it and said let's get him going. So yeah,
I give Seattle. Seattle can win the division. I didn't
go in in my opinion thinking I didn't have the
Astros winning the division this year, considering all the changes.
When we make our predictions at the beginning of the year,
I had him as a wild card and I actually
had the Rangers winning the division. Now watching and no

(19:58):
questioning the grit I think, just what we're seeing how
you think, well, how can they when we saw all
the injuries, You say, how can they? Well, they continue
to amaze me, and I think amaze a lot of
people in the city. And yet we're still like, is
this shoe gonna falls? The other foot shoe gonna fall?

Speaker 8 (20:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah, it is it gonna drop? I mean, and how
far is it gonna drop? Where's this? Where's the floor?

Speaker 8 (20:20):
Hell?

Speaker 4 (20:20):
I don't even know what the ceiling is because we
haven't seen them all together healthy in a while. So
but I but the Mariners jumped out in front, got
a guy that gives you pop and allows you to
put a guy that with power that can run produce
runs in the middle line. It because they know that
they can pitch with anybody when they're right.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
They can't hit though, two ninety two, three sixty four,
forty seven slash line eleven home runs and hing's been
the problem. And like you and I were talking about
this off air because we're both college football fanatics, especially
when it comes to USC because that's your a motter.
How it's great when you have an offense that can strike,
but when you face off against great defenses, that's like
going up against elite pitching. That's the Mariners right now,

(21:02):
elite pitching, a five man rotation that probably can put
you in a blender when it comes to October baseball,
but none of that matters if you don't give them
run support. This is a way to do so for
the Astros. Though, when I look at what is going
to be the asking price, it only costs two prospects
to land a Rental and Josh Naylor and two low
tier prospects. The Mariners gave up their thirteenth and their

(21:23):
sixteenth ranked prospect.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
So if you want to add in a bat.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
And let's just say for all intentsive purposes, it's a
left handed outfield bat to replace what we're going to
see the departure of Jake Myers Cedric Mullins from the
Baltimore Oriols.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
Maybe that's the thing that you go after.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
What is the asking price that you're willing to give
up to make sure that you're adding.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
In his defense? And he's probably gonna.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Hit anywhere in the seven or eight hole, which you'll
take because when he hits in the seven and eight
hold this past season, he's had about two eighty five
batting average, and you'll complete that and you get a
little bit of the power back, and if you can
hit it over the left field in the Crawford boxes,
well that's a little bit more beneficial to you. When
it comes to add in run support. What's the asking
price that you're willing to give up? Because again, the
Astros farm system, when you talk about some of these guys, Hey,

(22:07):
it's cool that they've been developed really well, and it's
great that they're ready for major League baseball.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
But you see the mob pipeline.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
One play in the top one hundred and it's Bryce Matthews,
and I don't think that you're wanting to part ways
with them for to rental.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
No, And that's the what you're gonna be strapped with.
Is it a rental? How much do you believe if
you rent you're saying that you think this team's full
fledged all star I mean a World Series team and
not a playoff team. A World Series. Also, you don't
get rentals because you think you're going to make the playoffs.
I don't. And I can't imagine as good as Dana

(22:40):
Brown's been with making good baseball decisions, I can't imagine
that they're thinking rental to get in. They're going to
make the playoffs if they don't do anything unless they
decide to miss the team bus and fifteen more guys
get hurt and they just don't have enough bodies of field.
But I haven't depending on the body, I'm not sure
what I'm willing to give up. And I would like control.

(23:03):
I would like two or three years of control if
I could. And then you say who you partner with?
I think that Bryce Matthews says, such great. You work
so hard to get a guy in the first round
like that that you think's got potential. The problem with
the Astros organization the past for young guys is they
couldn't find their way to the roster because Korey and
Springer and Bregman and Tucker and Alvhare's there's no way

(23:23):
to where are you gonna play? So you got to
go down there to get reps. And now it's like,
well you're looking, now, well, who's the next guy we
can bring up that's gonna rake and contribute. I depending
on who it is, what am I willing to part with?
Last year when they got Kakuchi, it was the right
move at the right time, and he pitched his ass off.
The problem is they didn't get him to get through

(23:47):
the first round. They got him to be pitching them late. Great,
I mean, look what he did when he left Toronto
and came here, and how the development of him just
getting another pitch and using it more bam. But in
the end, losing three prospects and him going to the Angels,
you're saying the trade didn't work out, although most he
didn't even get a chance to pitch when they got
swept by De Troit and two, so we didn't get

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to see him in the postseason. Yet the move of
the time was the right move because of the team.
You believe, and this team's always looking for a chance
to win it. This team doesn't back off, which I love.
So I don't know what I'm willing to part with
until you tell me the body that I'm willing that
they're willing to get. Now, a name that keeps popping up,
and I love his energy, and we talk about Mullins.

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If I can get Jaron Duran, I'm interested. You want
the control, well not only the control, but I also listen,
he's been through some times. There's plenty of people in
Boston and I've lived my life as a diehard Socks fan.
But there's plenty of people of Boston people I talk,
they don't want to part with him. The problem is
they've got such a like the Astros went through. They've

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got some great young players that need space to play.
Was phenomenal, and they can run and they got power.
So he becomes what a great luxury. Yet a year
ago he was the table said everybody like, this is
this is the man if you can get a guy
like that that you can put in And in truth,
he played center field and the only reason they moved

(25:11):
to the left field because they had a center fielder
who's better and faster. And Duran can run. I mean
you know he'll hit twelve triples? Do I mean? You
get a guy who can run. And this team's weakness
at times been what they're not the best prevention of
base running and running bases that you've ever seen. Okay,
this team, if there's a weakness of both of those,
are it. But you can put Duran in two positions

(25:33):
for sure in the outfield if you need him. He
gives you versatility and I like, guys, you know you
mentioned the guy's name. Now this he's not as good
as Duran yet. But you mentioned low Perfedo. You remember
before they got rid of the energy, he really wasn't
producing a lot of but his energy there was something
he became a fan favorite. Well, we can't part with
low Perfiedo. Well they did. Now Duran gives you that

(25:55):
type of energy with right now, more production when he's
in the lineup every day. So I don't know if
he's want I'm just using that his name.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
Now.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
The question is what are you willing to give up
to get him? I thought the price tag for Naylor
was pretty inexpensive considering what you're going to get for
a team that they think they're a World Series team. So, uh,
the sum's got to happen. And I'm not sure one
player is going to be the only one coming here.
I'm telling you you may get pitching and hitting help.
But again, how and Steve Sparks said it to him,

(26:22):
We say, how much is it going to sting for
you to deplete something you've depleted?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Now?

Speaker 4 (26:28):
What helps you say, well, we can rebuild it is
when guys like these other players that you have up
here are kicking ass. I mean that are playing. When
I say kicking ass, Bryce Matthews is hitting what one
ninety seven? But he came with some power? Right, There's
exactly right, and he's still the kid doesn't know how
to play yet. He doesn't know how talented he is
just yet, and he will at some point. The point

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is is that they did. The optics of the lineup
make it different for us to understand why they're so successful.
Yet they have been. These guys have done exactly what
they've asked. If you get fully healthy, here's the good
problem to have is who you sending down? But they're
going to do something. There's no way this team just
stands pat The question is is it a a six
on a scale of one to ten, Is it a

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three or is it an eight point five where you're saying, Okay,
that hurts, but we can go win a world series
with that guy, especially when we get healthy.

Speaker 9 (27:17):
See.

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Speaker 5 (29:24):
Five games back of the Ashros, but still definitely not
out of the race. Sean I was trying to preview
this before we go into commercial break, and we were
talking about how there are players that certainly you don't
want to part ways with. You just have this inclination
that it's gonna end up hurting you for a rental option. Yeah,
you have those guys that you know, maybe are not
long for the MLB, maybe they're never gonna be the

(29:46):
All Star, but you just have this intense identity that
they have, this spark. I was living in New York
in twenty fifteen. I was working for Sirius XM Radio,
and I remember we were I was pacing back and
forth all day because I've heard rumors that it was
an outfielder going to be added to this roster to
kind of get Houston over the edge and in the wildcard.

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They want to make sure that they were set, and
I was like, Okay, you know what, I don't like
this dude. I don't like his attitude. I think he's
gonna be an absolute bust here. But I'm not an
MLB manager. I'm at a GM. I'll let this go
ahead and handle. Just please don't trade one player. Phone rings,
it's four o'clock, all right, Trade deadline's over.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Oh four oh one rolls around.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
Oh look at that, there's Carlos Gomes coming on down
from Milwaukee. He is now a part of the Houston Astros.
And I'm waiting for the trade deadline. I'm just like,
who are you getting rid of that you think is
going to be a non factor for this team long term?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
It was Josh Hater.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
I knew back then Josh Hater was going to be
a special talent when he was in Triple A Corpus Christy.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
What happened?

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Carlos Gomes stunk. You brought him Mike Fires, which started
the whole scandal situation, and you watched this. Josh Hater
became a three time All Star with the Brewers and
then with the Padres, and thankfully he got him back
to Houston when he was getting looked at by Texas.
But still that's where my heart goes to when it
comes to this trade deadline for the Astros. Is there

(31:11):
a player that you're looking at, whether it be a
Brandon Walter, whether it be a Bryce Matthews, whether it
be a Jacob Melton who's starting his rehab assignment in
TRIPA right now, that you feel like two or three
years from now, maybe not an All Star, but they
could be a factor for this team that helps you
get to that next level and keeps the tradition and
sustainability alive.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
Twenty twice six, twenty seven, twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, well, let me ask you your question. As you
were talking about you didn't want to get I mean
you the Josh Hater situation. I didn't want him to leave,
and now right and now fortunately he's back here. I'm curious, then,
who's your untouchable who who aren't you willing to plaint
when you mentioned I'll tell you what. I'm not parting

(31:55):
with one of the guys starting as a pitcher right
now because I can't afford, meaning I can't afford because
although there's Garcian, Javier and Arrogatty, all of them are
you know, either now down in Corpus Christi and JP
France or with Javier situation now working up to what
two or three innings and then going to work his
way here to sugar Land. But the question is will

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there be a setback? Can you risk trading throwing Brandon Walt,
I mean throwing Walter into a trade with a prospect
or too to get somebody who you got control over,
who's a difference maker here that you need is that's
an everyday player and it's got popping his bat from
the left side or as I suggest that, I'm kind
of glad. I've been talking about this for about a
week and a half now, and then when Parade it's

(32:41):
got hurt, it hit even harder. With versatility and depending
on yourd on, does it just have to be a
power left handed? Bet I said? Suarez is a guy
who you does it matter where the power comes from.
You know you're going to get a high strikeout rate.
But the guy drives the baseball, and so is he?
And who is Arizona? Are they buyers or sellers? We
all they may be in the cellar category because what

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Seattle just did last night they made I think it
was pretty obvious with that. So now you jump in
and say, well, is Zach Gallon available? And what about
this guy? And what about that cat? And am I
going to get? And this is a team that was
on a pretty good streak. I think they see that
as the basically the fourth best team in the division.
That it's like that, that's a lot of stuff to

(33:23):
get through to get where we want to go. Hell,
how do we know that that, Carol? I mean they
may move four or five guys, depending on if they
have a fed, which I would consider a fire sale
if you're getting rid of that many players. So to me,
I'm still deciding over. Like I said, if somebody said
it will Sean, what would you give up for Suarez? Suarez? Well,

(33:46):
that one you are going to have to part with
with a some kind of prospect or the guy that
that that's a really good player, and another one and
they know you're desperate.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Reports were also saying that Suarez was the initial move
for Seattle and they didn't want to pay the price,
so they floked on over the air.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Right, So they paid a different price for Naylor and
you know another corner infielder who can play for you
and is going to play first base, And I get it.
So the question is who and what and what kind
of future?

Speaker 9 (34:12):
Now?

Speaker 4 (34:13):
If it's a rental, then it changes the game for me. Right,
you better be a monster and you better be damn
well sure that this team's moving forward. So it's something
we'll continue to discuss. I'm not sure. So do you
have one you can tell us after the break. I'm curious.
I know guys that I don't want to part with,
and there's some sitting on the fence. You know, the
name Jacob Melton keeps coming up, and yeah, you say, gosh,

(34:35):
dang though, man, all the potential you talk about, but
when is he going to actually arrive here? And will
his arrival be on time? Two or three years from now?
A year from now? And then because where does that
fit in considering this team? And then you talk about Okay,
what was I going to get for him? Is it
a stud pitcher? Am I getting a power bat? Those

(34:56):
are the things they It will sting if they make
a higher than middle of the road move, It just will.
And the and people know the development of the Astros,
and they know where the astros are, and they know
the injuries. Don't you think well, i'd hold them hostage. Yeah.
If if you want Suarez, you're gonna pay for it.
So I'm just curious of for and our listeners and callers.
What do you think is who or who do you

(35:19):
think is an untouchable here?

Speaker 5 (35:20):
I think that you and I can both agree Bryce
Matthews at the table, Well.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yes, Brince s. Matthews may even end up being back
down in the minor leagues. And that's fine, But I
don't think right now you're prepared to do that.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
That's your that's your starting second basement for twenty fifth power. Yeah,
so he's got the option that we're looking at. But
seven one, three, two, two five, seven ninety. Want to
get your calls in, want to hear who you believe
is the most untouchable.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
I have my answer. I think Sean has his answer.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
We're gonna give our answers when we come back right
here on the Shawn Salisbury Show on sportsockx of a ninety.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Next, this Sean Salisbury Show continues to continue.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
One untouchable for the Astros. If a phone call comes on,
it your star player, the guy that is going to
change the roster for this team get them into World Series.
Conversation could be a rental, could be a one year
at a one year on the contract. You're getting told
this guy's in the deal. No deal for me. It's
Brandon Walter. It's Brandon Walter. And the reason why I

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say him is because of he throws with control and
the speed is there. I'm getting ninety seven. I'm getting
a dude who has given me six quality innings a night. Yes,
did he'd give up the long ball? Does he have
an era roughly around three point thirty? Absolutely? But his
point ninety three he.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
Has fifty two strikeouts.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
This is the guy that I view, and we talked
about this for Lance McCullers. We don't know what he's
gonna be when he comes back, and at this point
we don't know what he's going to be for the
rest of his Astro's career. Let's say that you let
the go ahead and have him be that two winning starter.
You put Brandon Walter right behind him. He's giving you
the next five or six. I think that there's so
much value to having a guy that can be a starter,
be a stopgap guy, a long term reliever, and they

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left hander. The asking price should be out the roof
for somebody who is a twenty eight year old from
Delaware that was cut by multiple teams, redeveloped in the
Astros farm system, and now back in finding his rhythm.
I have that I'm not letting them go for a
cheap price.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, And I'm going to tell you this that I
would bet you because of the fact that not a
lot of people know about him, that the perception is
that if you traded for a Suarez and you wanted
a guy like that me and Walter, that you would
that you would have to give Walter and somebody else
up that that's not value for them, that he's been
so invaluable for this franchise. Yeah, I don't even listen

(37:38):
unless you're offering me something I don't want to take
away from what you're trying to find. It's hard to
find premium quality left handed pitching. Man, you got one
at the top of it. Just is so you're not
touching my starting pitching. I mean, now, if I got
to throw in a spot, you know that, somehow, some
way got to throw something in. But think about what
the value Walter gives you when all if Garcia and

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Javier and France and and Arragetty come back. That's right,
that's that's the value talking about about Hey man, long relief.
I can put him in for an inning, I can
get him three, I can start him. Yeah, he is.
I'm for young guys. To me, I'm not interested really
in fielding calls for Bryce Matthews. I'm not because the

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guy that's going to be available, and you could roll
through Souarez, you can roll through Duran, you can roll
through Cedric Mullins or any of those guys. Are they
the one piece that gets you to a World Series
or could you still survive without him? I think you can,
especially if Jordon comes back and when you get Paradus opinion.
But there's a lot of ifs. And if my Ane

(38:46):
had balls, you'd be my uncle. So you got to
get him back. And we've been saying if they get
healthy for ninety days, okay, for three or four months
or even longer, considering some of the pitching that's been
hurt before the season even started. So I'm not interested
in that. You know what, I'll bet you people still
inquiring about a guy like Zach Decenzo too, I'll bet
you they are or whit cobut. I'll bet you they
are healthy. And I'm not letting him go, you know,

(39:07):
letting who well matthews to me, I don't know. Listen,
everything's negotiable. I'll listen to anything, but that doesn't mean
I'm up to giving you anything that you ask for
just because I think that we've got a chance to
get to the World Series. I look at a guy
like that, I start to think about the lineup, and
I'm not concerned about twenty thirty. I never am. I'll

(39:28):
be concerned about twenty thirty. Late twenty twenty nine. Sure,
and I'm concerned about without mortgaging your franchise. Concerned about
now because this team's proven that they're resilient enough to
in a long series. Puts you in a problem, regardless
of if they when they get healthy or not. A
guy like Descenzo, I start to think about the lineup
moving forward, Matthews at second, maybe one day Descenzo's your

(39:49):
starting first baseman. You've got you know, Paratus who's not
old at third, and then you pain you it short.
You start to build it, and then you got the
veteran Al Tuve and the way Jake Myers. But also
you start to look at guys that can play the outfield.
For You've got Cam Smith and right field, so there's
a few got You're gonna have to really impress me
to get one of my top prospects to move. If

(40:10):
to get a veteran, but depending on who it is.
But if you get a a Suarez guy, there is
one of those guys that are gonna go. Somebody is
gonna go, plus probably a player like you're talking about.
But I'm not parting with pitching now. I'm not partying
starting pitching. I don't have An. I can't bank on
the other guys being healthy until they're healthy, and unfortunately,

(40:32):
by the time trade deadline gets here, more than likely
none of those guys are going to be on the
major League. You're still gonna wonder in their rehab how
it's gonna turn out.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
If you told me Colton Gordon had to be in
a how to be in a deal, and I knew
that Spencer Arraghetty was coming right, I'm okay with that.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
I'm okay when I say Starry, I'm talking about the
pre Gordon's good, but Walter before Gordon, I would Walter.
That's exactly right.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
It's just because of the value of a left handed
pitcher that can give you quality and Sean last seven
games for Brandon Walter has been fantastic. It's not his
fault that you can't get run support. It's not his
fault that the Astros are not able to put up
behind his performance.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Do you remember when j We'll think about when JP
Frantz was as a right hand but when he came
two years ago when he had to when he was
fighting and scratching and came in and kind of saved
some stuff at the right time. Think about Renelle Blanco
when everybody was struggling, who kept it together last year?
And while it's not obviously you still got the two
horses at the front. But this is a guy that

(41:36):
we can grow through fifteen guys on the roster that
when the season started, he wasn't on your Bengo card
anywhere at any point in time when the season started,
I'm talking and now, look, he's not only on your
Bengo card. He he He gives you a chance to
spell it out and yell it out. He's been really,
really solid. I'm not partnering with him, especially not knowing,
not knowing the with what's happened in minor leagues and

(41:58):
how if there's going to be a setback, We've seen
enough setbacks for me not to part with quality, left handed,
versatile pitching.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
We were talking about this on the A team, that
there will be a day where we'll say, hey, Zach Shorty,
the'll walk off double Okay, who's Zach short We'll forget
about him. I don't feel that way when it comes
to Brandon Walter. I think he's gonna be here for
the long term, and it's why I'm not cutting ties
with them John in Downtown John and Northwest. We see
we're gonna get to you when we come back from
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one player, you cannot afford to give up. If you

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are the Houston Astros will take your calls. We'll talk
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Right here on the Shawn Salisbury Show. Sports Tack seven ninety.

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Speaker 5 (43:36):
Stroud and the Boys taking the field looking for a
third division title and MLB trade deadline is officially underway.
Josh Naylor, goodbye Arizona, welcome Seattle back to the American League,
hopefully getting the Mariners into a playoff spot. Seven one
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my man.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Hey Shawn, how are you, sir?

Speaker 11 (44:02):
I'm doing right, Sarah. We went out last night out
there to the game, and you know what, it was
guy's night out, so we all hauled into the van,
you know, went out there and Uh, I was wondering,
who's the setup man for the ass?

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Who do we have you're talking about you're talking about
a Braid. You to get to the setup man to
get to to get to Brian Abraid's your setup man
to get to Josh Hater.

Speaker 11 (44:29):
Okay, that's that's now.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
On the roster.

Speaker 11 (44:32):
On the pitches, there's only two starters right because McCullough
got hurt.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Well, there's I think there's one. Uh has a blister
on his finger. Yes, you have you have Fromber and
Hunter Brown at the top, and then you have Gusto
filling in when he had needs to, and you have
when he starts and been in the bullpen as well.
You have Gordon and you have Walter. So yeah, they
I mean, and they're pretty solid, but you know there

(44:58):
may be another stud they need to have. A mccullors
has got a blister on his finger, so he's.

Speaker 11 (45:02):
Out, yes, sir, well anyway, but he's because this is
when you made the comment about keeping a player. You know,
is it have to be a pitcher or anybody that
plays out on the field.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
No, we just think the question, the question asked, is
it who who is.

Speaker 11 (45:19):
I would keep Jeremy Panna.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Well, well, listen, they're not one thing, John, They're not
trading Jeremy Paanya. The question was simply, this is who's
untouchable of these young prospects or a player. Of course
Jordan's untouchable. Of course Payne is not going anywhere. Of
course those guys aren't out. Two A's not going anywhere.
It's the Jacob Meltons and the Cam Smith's and the

(45:43):
Bryce you know, Bryce Matthews and the those guys. De
Zenzo or somebody in the minor leagues that's not here yet.
Those guys. Payne's not going anywhere. Yeah, we're just talking
about at the trade deadline, which is a week from
today at five o'clock or yesterday they say, right at
five a clock, I think Central. So that's what we're talking.

Speaker 11 (46:02):
I got you, I got you, I got you. Okay, Yeah,
Well we're we're you know, we're proud of what they're doing.
You know, they're doing good considering you know, like are
they They they're nick and tear every day because you know,
and they're going to keep fighting and they're going to
keep fighting and something Liot will turn out out of it.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Oh yeah, they'll get a player, John, thank you, man,
appreciate your call. Uh yeah, they'll get a player and
or two and they'll be fine. And they are not
just in it. They're they're the ones being chased, so
shot up. They've got a chance and as good a
record as there is in the American League.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
I mean to be rude, but can you imagine what
this city would do if we heard a phone call coming, Hey,
Dana Brown, just trade Jermy Payna.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Well, can you.

Speaker 6 (46:40):
Imagine what the city would react?

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Like I think it would all Well, then I'd have
to say, well, how many different guys are coming in?
Or who's the guy that you had the balls to
trade him for? Is it Paul Skans?

Speaker 10 (46:49):
Like?

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Is that what you're doing?

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Because that's the level I'm giving up for Jerry Payne.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
And guess what, you'd be an idiot if you were
Pittsburgh to trade Paul Skins for Jeremy Payne as good
as paying is you have, Paul Skeens would require four
more players than Jeremy Payne at this stage.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
And also probably a proven player all Jeremy.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Payne that Yeah, needn't put it this way, neither Pittsburgh Now. Now,
Skeins may want it to go to somewhere and gets
run support this, but but he's not going anywhere, and
Jeremy Payne is locked in. John, You're you're safe with that?

Speaker 6 (47:23):
Seven two five seven? Now do you want seim on in?

Speaker 4 (47:25):
John? And Northwest? What's going on? John?

Speaker 9 (47:28):
Hey? Good morning guys. Hey, I think everybody's untouchable on
the Astros. I you know, I I think we need
to keep those guys. I don't even want to talk
about it. I think you know, Bryce Matthews and that
Cam Smith and you know, even Taylor Trammel. I've been
very happy with you. He steals bases, you know, plays
a good center field, strong arm. I think, you know,

(47:48):
we got to keep developing the pharm system. I mean, Sean,
you know, I've been calling in for two years about that,
where I I just believe in the Astros developing their
own and they got the best coaching. The move I
would like to see, as it happened yesterday. I don't
know if you saw, were Eric Fetti from Saint Louis
got put on you know DFA know, yeah, for assignment yep,

(48:10):
designated for assignment. We could pick him up, not give
up anything, and I think our coaches could trade maybe
help him out of whatever his problem is, because he's
been a pretty reliable pitcher up until recently. And that's
the move I would like to see the Astros make
and just keep everybody else intact. That's another you know,
he's another decent arm. He's he's done well in the past.

(48:32):
I don't know what his problem is right now, but
but I think that that's somebody that we should think
about just bringing on.

Speaker 6 (48:39):
So are you bringing on his salary though, because that's
the other thing.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
When you could claim the player off of waivers, you're
claiming the rest of their salary.

Speaker 9 (48:46):
Uh, what is his salary?

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Point five million?

Speaker 5 (48:50):
And it's for over two years, so it's actually fifteen
million dollars.

Speaker 9 (48:55):
I would do it, Okay, Yeah, I would. I would
would do it, you know. Yeah, And we just need
somebody that's, you know, another arm because I mean you
got Chris, you got Jabber Arraghetti Garcia. You know, they're
all on rehab assignment and you know, I think Haviers
are closest. He's had a rehab start or two for
Triple A and sugar Land, and he's getting really close.

(49:19):
We just need, we just need somebody. And I just
don't like to see us give up anybody. I mean,
I like the chemistry on this team. I like the
potential of these guys that we brought up. And I
would I would do a move something like that. I
don't think. I don't think we're giving up much to get,
you know, to get Eric Fetti. I really don't. And
I think I have faith in our coaches because I mean,

(49:41):
there's nobody better at developing players and helping you know,
like pitchers and stuff out of their trouble. We've done
it many times. We've made superstars out of some of them.
And I would that's the move. That's the kind of
move I'd like to see the Astros make if there
was a player that I wouldn't mind the Astros looking at. However,
we if they gets to that, you know, if they need,

(50:03):
they would like to have a left handed hitter who
can play anywhere in the infield, right and I think
Colorado's Ryan McMahon would be a good fit.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
Was the infield, but now with Parade's injury, it may
be the infield.

Speaker 9 (50:16):
Yeah, but you know, he has a twelve million dollar salary.
I don't know if you know that would maybe cross
the luxury tax. For Jim Crane, I don't know if
he'd be willing to do that, but I mean I
see him as an ideal fit, you know, because he's
left handed, he can play anywhere in the infield, and
you know, so you know, that's that's maybe the move

(50:37):
I would look at. But I would like, I think
we should go for like like an Eric Fetti or
something and just somebody that can you know, fit in
for a bit. And I think we could help him
out of his problem, and meantime, these other guys are
going to be coming back very soon. So that's what
I would do. Other than that, I don't think I
think all of our players are untouchable right now, you know,
the young guys. That's that's the way if you look

(50:59):
at it.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I hate to say it, though, John, Well, that's your
wish list. If they get somebody that's going to help
them get over the top, guess what's not happening. Somebody's
going to be touchable that. That didn't sound right, did it.
You get my point? But I know you just hope
it's the right. But at some point if they do,
if they're aggressive at the trade deadline, they're they're going

(51:22):
to have to give up one of the guys that
maybe you don't want to give up. If they're going
to get somebody, I know your wishless but you and
I both know that may not be reality at this
time next week. Right Yeah.

Speaker 9 (51:33):
Well, you know the other thing is I wish you
could play on the road all the time. They remind
me of the team to they remind me of the
team two years ago. Remember they couldn't win at home,
but they'd went on the road. They looked great. You know,
they had a different look to them, the whole bit.
You know, I see it creeping back again. It's kind
of frustrated.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Yeah, the ALCS was in Arlington for four games. The
Askers would have been in the World Series for a
second consecutive year.

Speaker 9 (51:54):
We would have won it, hands down, that's the question
about it. I did not want us to win that division.
I did not want to go into the wild Card
and play on the road, and we would have been
just fine.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Appreciate the phone call, John, I will say the Eric
Fetti move, I'm not for it. I'm not because of
if you're letting go of a picture, there's a reason why,
especially somebody like an Eric Fetti, who was an MVP
in the KBO League signed a two year contract with
the White Sox balled out last year. They got him
cheap from Chicago because they were entering the seller's market,
and he just hasn't been able to find that identity

(52:25):
as the opposite of what you got with Sonny Gray. However,
sometimes change of scenery is a blessing in disguise. Yeah,
and I'm not saying that it will happen with Eric Fetty,
but also, what are you expecting from the dude. He's
not supposed to be your number two, He's not supposed
to be your number three. He's probably at best your
number four. And right now, let's say that you go

(52:48):
and you keep Brandon Walter. He moves into that number
three spot until you get back Spencer Aragedy, and then
you get back Spencer Aragedy. Erictty goes to the four,
Fetti goes the five. It's it's not the worst move.
It certainly a moved that I could stomach if the
market is too out of left field for the actual
asking price for a picture on the back end, like
an Andrew Kiny and you're saying we gotta give up

(53:10):
our thirteenth rank prospect or our seventh rank prospect of Pittsburgh. Now,
I'd rather just go ahead and bring in Fetty at
this point because they're gonna have the same value.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
I would say that's probably right. And on the on
the other side of it, you know, a name like
Charlie Morton's is starting to get mentioned as well.

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Could you imagine, Cee, if I'm coming back.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
Here, I was out of your career the way that
it got restarted.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
And how what would it now? When he's going good?
You know, the guy is really what's he forty two?

Speaker 5 (53:32):
Forty forty one years old and he's better than the
forty one yeard just cut ties with that.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
There's no doubt. So I you know, at first you're like,
come on, man, but he's been so consistent and you know,
damn well, you'll get the best of him here. It
seems like they always do. I don't know how real
it is, but I can tell you this. I can't
imagine a price tag would be through the roof either
for a forty one year old pitcher. So maybe, just maybe, Again,
it comes down to is it a wow factor move
or is it just a pedestrian move that strengthens your

(53:59):
roster but does get you over the top. That's what
you gotta find out. Let's put a pen in it.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
I want to come back to this because Eric Fetti,
Charlie Morton, who's the third picture that maybe the Astros
could add in.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
I think that there is absolute value for it.

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Speaker 4 (56:06):
All right, Sean, what are you hearing out there now?
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Speaker 5 (56:22):
It is Salisbury Steak at righty here on Sports Talks
seven ninety seven one three two one two five seven
ninety Seanna, I'm not accustomed to doing this show when
it comes to the Saky steak out. So I was
asked some questions on what are some things that we
should be talking about?

Speaker 4 (56:36):
I have one, Well, the one thing we should be
talking about one thing?

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Okay, when was the last time that we saw two
legends pass away within forty eight hours of each other?
Ozzy Osbourne dead forty eight hours later, Paul Cogan seventy
one pass away.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Well, and well you add another legend in my era,
and that's Malcolm Jamal Warner and he was a legend
on the Cosby Show. It was awesome that happened within well,
all of those were within three days. Whren they want,
they won too three days in a row, or at
least maybe one day in between. Yeah, and I don't
know why that is, yet it hit. People were saying

(57:11):
it and all of a sudden, here it is. It was.
And that's for the seventies eighties crew that one all
three of them hit different. It was a bummer, man.
It's to see it I'll tell you what it does.
You start to stare at your own mortality and say, man,
you do you really do? Say you know, you're driving
down the street and Malcolm Jamal Warren is making a

(57:33):
post when he's driving down the street just a few
days before, saying, man, with the family on vacation, you know,
be kind and do all that talking about And then
the next thing you know, he's passed away. And we
obviously know you know, we're used to Ozzy osmore now
and the music, but the show and you got a
different view of what he's all about. Boom, And then
this happens to hul Cogan, who's beloved and a legend

(57:54):
in his industry and really changed wrestling for the most
part in the eighties, or was one of the reasons.
So yeah, I hate it, but I'm sure if we
did research we'd find it. Man, it's happened more than once.
But uh, that was a bingo bango bongo hit different
three different ways, and I'm sure a lot of people
are suffering in their families. It's a bummer because they

(58:15):
all three led us into their life and we're very
pretty damn transparent. We felt like we knew you know
the Cosby Show growing up that you were like, oh okay, man,
we apply that to your home. And then with Hulk
Hogan and Ozzy Osbourne for those of us who grew
up in that era, it's like they're like a part
of your heart was stolen, right so to their families.

(58:36):
I hate when we have to do this, not the question,
but when we're thinking about man, and here's the thing
is it. I always say, let's not forget that because
you know when people say, well, if you knew the
people that weren't going to show up for you when
you passed away, that we're going to forget you, then
forgets you. You wouldn't care about their opinion why you

(58:58):
were alive, you know what I'm saying. And so unfortunately,
you know, you know, life goes on for people. But
you know what, the people that were pioneers and difference
makers and I think that they deserve our respect and
I all three of them run way, shape or form
earned it. I'll tell you what bothers me worse than anything.
And it goes for either side of the aisle. I

(59:19):
don't care who you vote for. Is when I see
people when somebody dies that they disagreed with because supported
Trump or supported President Biden. How they cheer somebody's death.
I've never understood we got some really bad people in
this world. We do, and when when you know when
I never believed this, I do now, and I know

(59:40):
this is going to be And I'm dead serious when
I say this, and I was never like this. I'm
an animal lover and a dog lover. My big goal
is to buy a bunch of property and a place
where I don't care. Your dog's not dying, Yeah, it's
because you give it to us. We'll find a way
to feed it and we'll have one hundred of them
run around. Because now I got talking about that. That's

(01:00:01):
because I am going to do it. I don't know.
I'm not very good at much, but I tell you
what we're going. I am going to do that. And
I guess I'm one thing I have been good at.
When I set my mind to do something, somehow, some way,
I'm going to get it accomplished. When it comes to this,
I just don't know what kind of person you can be.
You may disagree, but I'm seeing stuff with Hulk Hogan,

(01:00:21):
and what I saw, I just think it's you. You
are a trash human being to root for somebody's death.
And I know this is a morbid subject, but I
just don't get it. I can't fathom you see these videos, like,
are you serious because you don't like that he pined
for a president or you don't like that somebody pined
for Joe Biden. There's got to be some human element

(01:00:43):
and some human decency that goes with this. But I
am dead serious. And I have three dogs at home
for the most part, and it's you people know that
I love our listeners and do it. But I'm going
to tell you now the ninety eight percent of my time,
if you say sean dog or human ten years ago,
I wouldn't have said it. And I love dogs my
whole life. I can honestly tell you now far more

(01:01:07):
peace with the dog.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
Oh dude, I did like My dad to this day
still tells me. I have a twin brother looks nothing
like me. He tells me all the time. We always
ask him, Hey, who is the favor Growing up? Jake
the Golden Retriever. I hated you too, but I love
the Golden I absolutely and I didn't think I thought
was a joke when I was growing up because's like, oh,
we just don't want to make it to where you
make one of the twins feel bad. No, it's because
if we were assholes and the dog was always coming

(01:01:29):
up to you and saying, I love you no matter
what you do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Right, and it's see to me. And I was like,
come on show and that's all hyperbole with people who say,
but I am to the point when I see stuff
like that, I'm like, I lose such faith in humanity.
And then you see other stuff that makes you that
people who are doing for somebody else, a homeless or
an animal, or saving something on you know, patching up

(01:01:52):
a bird on the side of the road, and I'm thinking, Okay,
I restored my faith in humanity for ten seconds, right,
because in the next video has four people on video saying,
oh that person died, well, it's because of who they
voted for. And it doesn't matter who it is who
they voted for, it's just that I think you're a
trash ass human being. And I'm talking to anybody. I
don't care if you if you root, if you root

(01:02:15):
for that, you're you're You're just trash. You just are.
And so I mean meaning root for somebody that goes
through it, you don't even have the comedy. You'd wait
till the body's cold to the to then then you
could start back in on your I hate him. He
deserved to die. The kids when it gets to the

(01:02:36):
kids in in Texas and the floods at the camp
when when I when I read that, people said, well,
they deserved it because they voted the wrong way. Yeah
it is. That's just trash. And it's the human nature
part of it and the human decency. Give me dogs
all day every day for the most part. And so
back to the to the original question. I can't remember

(01:03:00):
the time when in a series of like twenty eight
to forty eight hours, you're twenty four to forty hours,
you're like that legend, Oh that legend. They hit hard man.
And to their families that you know that are going
through this that have to go on social media and
see some of the posts, the majority of them are
the way they should be. Respect them somebody and give
them them the the flowers that they deserve and no

(01:03:23):
pun intended on flowers with the situation there and the
flowers they deserve in the respect they deserve. Whether you
like the way they vote or who they voted for
or not. Don't be a trash ass human being.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
Well back to just the let's go on a positive note.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
The way that I think all three mostly Haul Cogin
and Ozzy Osbourne is because of the ideity can relate
with multiple generations.

Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
I think is what makes this such a unique moment.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
Because Ozzie, whether you're just are a twenty year old
or a seven year old or a fifty seven year old,
you go to baseball games and you hear crazy Trade
all aboard, and you hear Black Sabbath and you hear
Iron Man. Guess what you know Ozzy Osbourne is behind
in the Magic. Or if you grew up watching reality
television shows, guess what you know about Kelly, You know
about Jack, you knew about Shannon, you knew about Ozzie,

(01:04:07):
you knew about the show.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
You knew about.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Ozzy's relationship with Sharon because of when she was on
the view, Like everyone grew up knowing who Ozzy was.
And like, my personal favorite thing of Ozzie is the
fact that we talked about him in the Austin Powers
movie when like they say boobes, It's like it just
is so uniquely funny when it comes to him, and
then when it goes to you know, Haul Kogan. Holk
truly was the embodiment with macho man Randy Savage on

(01:04:32):
creating this persona of wrestling characters.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
If you want to know how somebody, how a person
impacted people, talk to the people that spent time with
them and you'll know. Yeah, that's how I say. If
you want to know, not the person from a distance
who doesn't know him that it's pissed or likes him
because of what they saw on TV. Talk to the
people who know them, people who were around them in
their worst of times. How were they in their best

(01:04:56):
of times? And by most accounts, regardless of how you
feel about Hope Cogan and how you feel about Ozzy,
they beat to a different drum. But they entertained us.
And I always say this, if you're entertaining us, and regardless,
I know it's entertainment, but to some they I mean,
they made a huge difference in people's life. That rock
and roll or that whatever, heavy metal or whatever wrestling
I'm not into. I'm not a wrestling guy. And that

(01:05:18):
tells you for a guy who's not a wrestling guy,
and still right, but also just his energy and how
he treated kids. I just how can you not love him?
And I've never watched a full like WWE with the Rumble,
I've never watched it. I had to buy it for
my kids growing up. But I've never sat down nothing

(01:05:38):
but respect like being in was in the longest yard
and a lot of those Kevin Nash and those guys
were in it such great people. They remind me of
hockey players and that we're not NASCAR drivers. Was you
got a charity event, they're showing up and they're gonna
and they're gonna raise more money anybody because they care.
And that's how I felt about Hogan and that's how
I felt about and I think Ozzy Osbourne. We saw

(01:05:59):
into him that he's just kind of a he beats
to different him, but a good family guy and his
kids and his wife. He'll be missed. And for those
who didn't know Malcolm Jamal Warner because of the Bill
Cosby situation, but also right in that, but when you
were growing up with it, he was in your living
room more often than the other two were. But it

(01:06:19):
was Malcolm Jamal Warner. So we lost three good ones
and they deserve respect, but talk to people who were
hung around him in real life, and that's how I
judge him, or when you meet him, I'm judging it
by that cover. And I didn't meet any of those three,
but in a way, shape or form, they impacted a
lot of different people for different reasons, even if it

(01:06:40):
is breaking away and watching a show or watching wrestling
for an hour or two. They got you out of
your you know, your your your stressful day. Good on them.
And I think as you get a little older and
you realize, like I said, your mortality, You think, seventy one,
that ain't that old. And it gets here in a hurry,
and Malcolm Jamal Warner was what is fifteenty four? Yeah,
and so and now you start to think, well, let's

(01:07:02):
live till your one hundred and ten. That'd be nice.
But we're gonna miss him. And I know a lot
of people and their families are probably going through some
major struggles right now because in the in the case
of hul Cogan and obviously in the case of Malcolm
Jamal Warner, those those were unexpected, very you know, especially
Malcolm Jamal Warner, and a way to go on vacation yeah, right,

(01:07:24):
they've had a little health issue, but content that's exactly right.
Later he's done. I do believe God said, you know,
I do that. He said, you know what, dude, You've
entertained a lot of people. Your wish is to be
able to say, give me one more. There you go
for I believe you know what you do and you
go out and perform and do your thing. And to

(01:07:44):
be able to do that as close to his death
as he was, and to go entertain just shows you
the different energy that some people have. God bless all
three of them.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Man In a morbid version of the Salisbury's sake out,
we still got one the most enthusiastic and probably my
favorite segment so far today because we got to see the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Real Sean Salisbury come Avasca. There's plenty of it, trust me, Brother.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
Ninety call on ingive us your favorite moments.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
So whether it be Malcolm Jamal Warner, whether it be
Ozzy Osbourne, whether it be Hal Coogan, take a quick
time out when we come back.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
We were talking about this earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Charlie Morton, Eric Fetti, I have a proposition for you, Sean.
I think that there is one name that stands out more.
We'll discuss that much much more on the Shawn Salisbury
Show right here on sportsockx seven ninety.

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The Sean Salisbury Show continued, Okay, what's on your mind?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
I was just thinking about what you said about those
three guys making you feel good, putting you in a
better place, and Chuck Mangioni also died. Yes, we were
just talking about that during the break, I got a
text and he's a legend, and here he was a
friggin music legend. A great call by.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
You, thank you when feels so Good came out.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Oh my gosh, I was rocking that yesterday in homage
to him. It's a great point, k, thank you very much.
There was absolutely no doubt. And we also had a
Twitter friend say the same thing. Let's not forget and
I know who it is, but I'm not overly familiar
with all the music, but I'm gonna pull it up
if oh it's James Max. He also said, don't forget

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Chuck MANGIONI, which we we. Yeah, I was even thinking
about him this morning because it was looking at it
and looking at Rob Schneider's post about him. Rob Schneider
the actor said, Chuck May it would be the same
as if a guy hit four grand slams in the
same game. That's his impact in his music. That's how
he felt. So that's it. And then the lead singer
for Golden Earing, Now, I don't know a lot of

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Golden earrings numbers. I mean so I have, but I
don't know if I wouldn't know if he walked into
the room, was alive, I wouldn't know what I was
looking at. But I have heard the group and I
have heard earing because I don't know, I don't know
the background history of the lead saying. I don't know

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how how old. So I have heard, but they're they're
put it this way. I don't have a Golden Earring
song on my playlist, but when I send it in,
I did. I did read and hear about that, but
I don't know enough about their music like I would
in Ozzy Osbourne. So you know who Golding is. I've
heard of them, but I m similar to me heard
and I've heard of the lead sing but I don't know.
Like I said, if you're standing in a group of

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twenty people, I wouldn't be able to pick him out. Yeah,
but I know who they are, but I don't know
who they are, if that makes sense, totally familiar. If
you played a song right now, i'd probably I wouldn't know,
at least off the top. I had the name of
the song, but I have heard music from them before.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
Now you do know who Charlie Morton is, though I
do know who that is. Yeah, he is a guy
that is actually sweet music too. For a long career.
He is a guy that is going to get mood
of the deadline next week. He will not be any
Baltimore Orioles uniform that much longer. And according to reports,
the Chicago Cubs are interested in New York Mes have
made some phone calls, The New York Yankees have made
some phone calls. Except for other teams that kind of
put their feelers out there. But how good of a

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story would it be for a guy that reignited his career,
rejuvenated the success and became CFM of twenty seventeen, came
back to Houston.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Now, we also.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
Realized that Sean the version that we saw when he
started the season in Baltimore dreadful, probably a DFA assignment.
You can't have a forty one year old, but the
ten point eight two era, it's it's not sustainable. But
in the last month he's been off the charts.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Man he has a.

Speaker 6 (01:13:07):
Five and one record.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
He has a five forty eight ERA, but there's a
five forty eight season era that dropped all the way
down five runs per game. However, the last start that
he had yesterday at four to three win over the
Cleveland Guardians, they give up two long boss to Stephen
Kwan start before that eleven to one loss to his
former team in Tampa. It's a fifteen million dollars salary,

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which is the only thing that would stop me from
getting this deal done, because fifteen million dollars for a
number five starter feels a little bit too rich.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
It does. But I can tell you this, there's very
few number five starters. Now, if you're the Dodgers and
you're fully healthy, they have like nine cy young guys
rot Rice right if but Charlie Morton, if it were
to pull it off and you weren't mortgaging your franch
which you wouldn't have to do for a forty one
year old guy who's had been up and down this year,
but has also been and this city's familiar with him.

(01:13:58):
I can tell you this. You're not running out many
five fifth starters that are going to give you more
grinder than Charlie Morton, is sure. And if you get
the good Charlie Morton, we'll look back and say what
a great gig that was, depending on what you gave up.
So I don't know if it's going to come to fruition.
Maybe a younger arm and and a bigger power bat

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depending on what they do. But I can tell you this,
I think this city would be fairly ecstatic to have
him back. I do, especially if you thought you were
getting Charlie Morton. You know the five and one Charlie
Morton over the last six or so starts.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
So this want to bring this up. So we had
the caller Colin earlier, Michael. He was talking about Eric
Fetty being a name that you maybe want to go after.
He's designated for assignment. His salary is at seven point
five million dollars this season. He still has about two
point seven million dollars. That's some that has yet to
be paid out. So if you were to pick him up, Sean,
you're only paying two point seven.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
Million, which isn't which it's just jump change.

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
It's it's ridiculous chump change.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Do you think though, that a guy who has been
defaid versus somebody who already has a relationship with the organization,
there is a difference about how you go regarding making
an offer or putting in a claim to be able
to go ahead and bring this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
You're just asking who I trust more and what I
trust it. Basically, I think there's a negative. There's this
negative feeling about people being dfaid, like you're picking up
something off the scrap heap. That's now if you're an
Astros fan, you're like, well, we've done that a lot.
The guy's worked out. So there's that part. If you're
asking me, let's just start straight up. So Charlie Morton
or Fetti, Yeah, I know who I want. You want Martin,

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There's no doubt I trust him more so when it
comes down to that, even removing salaries or how long
you have money control. If you're just talking about who
would you want to run out there? I think that's
the answer. And there was always the dfaid, what's the
what's what's the problem?

Speaker 9 (01:15:45):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
And that's what you get. So and it may be
you know neither one of them. I'm anxious to see.
I'm kind of curious what their number one parties. I
know you have yours, I got mine, as Steve Sparks
has this. But when they're sitting in their rooms, Dana
Brown and Joe's in this organization like you would in
an NFL draft board, boom boom, boom boom. Here's our

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desires and here's gonna be the value of the asking price.
I really would like to be a fly on the
wall and know what they got on a whiteboard in
their room. I really would between now and next week.
I also know that it feels to me at this
time every year we talk about it. The longer you wait,
I almost feel like the more competition there is for

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that guy you're trying to acquire. Sure, and if I'm
a team, like I said, I'm not giving the Astros
any leeway. If I'm because I know how good they are,
I am going to make them suffer big time if
they're trying to get a really good player. So what move?
Is it wow or not? So what we're gonna do
is I.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
Want to put up in this because if here's the
one thing, it's an American League team, American League team
doesn't want to. How about another American League team? They
just don't Where Fetti comes from the National League, But
he's also a DFA a little bit of a different feel.
The American League team that Charlie Morton plays for is
the Baltimore Orioles. Now there is an Orioles player that
is rumored to be moved because of an expiring contract.

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An ESPN and a and he's an All Star. They
have him come to Houston. I want to talk about
what it would mean to land this player. What is
the asking price and is this worth a rental option.
We'll talk about that when we come back here on
the Shawn Salisbury Show on Sports SOOX seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Next we want to wait, Sean Salisbury continues on seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
Yeah, Sean Foster. He was a hell of a running
back too, and a good dude. But I can tell
you this. You make sure he can stand in front
of it all he wants. When he takes that ass
whooping in the fall, you make sure he lets us
know how that was. And when when Nico wants to
transfer again because he got his ass handed to him
by the Trojan. So yeah, then I can't wait for
that one.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
It is The Shawn Salisbury Show Sports SAX seven ninety.
Astros lose five to two in the first of a
four game series against the Athletics.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Training camp is.

Speaker 5 (01:17:49):
Visually underway for the Texans and the trade deadline is
booming as Josh Nayler leaves the Desert and the Diamondbacks
to head up north to join the Mariners in a
race for first place. The American League West talking about
this a little bit earlier, Sean, do you ever pay
attention to ESPN trade deadline articles?

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
I don't pay attention to much ESPN does anymore. But yes,
of course I do. I mean I read because there's
some I was a kid, there's some good talent, and
some people do some really good work. I pay attention
to anything that gives me insight on something that I'm
not you know that maybe we are not familiar with
or that we need some insights. So yeah, of course
I do. But my eyes aren't on their TV shows
very often anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:18:26):
So did you read the recent article that came out
by MLB talking about the MLB trade headline and ten targets,
ten predictions.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
I I scrolled through it, and I know one of
them has a Baltimore oriole playing here. Ryan O'Hearn.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Yes, All star designated hitter, can play in the outfield,
can play a little bit of first base. He is
now projected to go to the Houston Astros. According to
this resto report by ESPN. Speaking of or hearn, he's
one of several players the Orioles look to trade. The
Astros look to continue their six game lead in the
Al West, playing well enough through a long list of injuries,
but general manager Dana Brown has talked about adding a

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left handed back. Now again we've talked about this left
handed bat, Ryan O'Hearn career year, want to get pay
this offseason. Certainly can hop out with the Crawford boxes
in left. He could play left field for the Astros,
who have been using a platoon of Cooper Hummel, Taylor
Trammel and defensive liability Jose al Tuove.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
Even if the.

Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
Injured Jordon Alparez makes it back, Altov then could slide
on into second base. So I'm telling you right now,
if Ryan O'Hearn is the target, and let's say that
the asking price is very much a rental your thirteenth prospect,
your fifteenth prospect in maybe we'll throw in your ninth
prospect just to make sure you get the deal done.

Speaker 6 (01:19:35):
Are you content with that being the next guy in
your lineup?

Speaker 10 (01:19:38):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
I'll take him if you're telling me it's the thirteenth, twelfth, thirteenth,
fourteenth best prospect that rental, and then I do everything
I could to try and sign him. If he's if
he's a contributor, here. Now, how much money is going
to be as an All Star. I'm sure that you
know price tag. You know what's amazing though, back backing
up a little bit is that the Baltimore Orioles were

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the equivalent of the Toronto Blue Jays. The Blue Jays
for about three or four years. Springer that they've been
the in vogue pick a lot of times until now
this year they weren't. People are like, well, they've underachieved
their pitching and they're hitting and they Vlad didn't have
his typical year last year they were banged up and
then right and here they are in first place. Agreed, So,
but they were like, man, for about three or four years,

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We're like, oh, Toronto's gonna be in the alc of Toronto, Toronto, Toronto,
and they were loaded with pitching and then pitching with
the hell in a handbasket and some and moved it.
And here they are again now and Springer's back to
playing like an All Star. Yeah and so and Baltimore
the last two years has been that team. Young players
get Corbyn Burns, a good pitching staff at and we're

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thinking and then they go to the playoffs and underachieved well,
then they started this and then get a manager fire.
I can guarantee you didn't have a manager getting fired
on your Bengo Carbon. See you started in Baltimore and
all those and all those young prospects look the same. Yeah,
I mean those players you know from Holliday, I mean
they all they I all feel like they're there, their
kids that have their high school haircut, that are still raking.
But it's amazing how quickly they've decided to upeople and

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decide they're going to give away players when just two
years ago we had them as a World Series contender.

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
And then maybe they're not giving away all the players
like Gunner Henderson is not moving, Holidays not moving. You're
not moving to a calcer but ahearn in the expiring contract,
Mullets in expiring calend.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
You're not moving your catcher. You're not moving. And they're
just not going to do. But you wouldn't at the
beginning of year if I said, you know, Baltimore is
going to sell when that tray you will looked at
me like I was nuts, had five hets. That's exactly
even though you know I know that Corbyn Burns signed
and is and Arizona all that stuff. But my point
is that they we still that they're they're pretty talented.
And here we are now talking about o'hearne here and

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as a rental. So yeah, if you're asking me, do
I trust that if Dana Brown made that move that
there would be a legitimate reason for it. The answers yes.
And what I like him in And the truth is
he gives me versatility because he can play first base,
he can d h if you need him, you can
move out two B between left and second base. And
I've never heard anybody complain about having extra power in

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your lineup, even if you've got a full roster. I
don't know anybody that complains about that. So yes, I
would take him now. He seems to be the dominant
conversation when it comes to the national prognosticators and those
analysts who are saying, here's the guy, not just It
feels like his name gets mentioned here a lot, and
you wonder is there smoke? Who knows what? But you

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know there's if there's a little smoke that the question
is how much fire? Is it kindling or is it
a full on fire?

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
Why are we having a conversation about a left handed
bat that's known for his power. When you have a
left handed bat known for his power currently hopefully working
his way back from the eyel is there more than
meets the eye with you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Every time you listen to an analyst talk about it,
they need left handed power bat. That's why I say,
does that means Suarez is out? Yeah? And you've got
obviously an injury at third base? How long's that gonna take?
And you get a guy that it's not like you
have to switch position, say hey, let's move somebody over there.
You've got a guy built in. So is it left
handed power? Is it right handed back? What is it?
But his name has been mentioned more than anybody's as

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far as a an everyday player. And the truth is,
I'll find I'll find a place for a guy like
that if he can give me more runs, if.

Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
He can give you more runs. Think about this for
a second. It allows you also to kind of mix
up your lineup. Let's say you get back a you're
an on Avaz and let's say you get back you
get back Jeremy Pania and maybe Estock Preides. For the playoffs,
your starting lineup will feature Jeremy Pang in the leadoff spot,
Esot Preides at the number two, number three Hosey al
to b Your cleanup hitter is you're on Alvarez. Number

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five would be either Jiner Diaz or Ryan or Hearn.
Number six would be the other number seven, Christian Walker.
That one through seven, especially the way that Christian Walker
is hitting right now and how you could rotate some things,
it's enticing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
But then it comes to the other.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
Caveat, which is well, they are going to play somewhere
like someone's got to be the gpsiding in.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
Lest So you're eight nine hitter when healthy is Jake
Myers and Camp Smith or Mauryo Dubon right, that's when
he's platooning and wherever he is, whether he's third base, shortstop,
left field, center field, second base, whatever it is, I mean, formidable,
it's I mean, if you're telling me that Jake Myers
always played this year in campusmiss ability way he's played
this year, are my eight to nine? I Now, you

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went from a team that, well, Matt, how are they
going to manufacture runs? To a team that if they
don't manufacture runs with that line, it'd be like, what
the hell is the problem?

Speaker 7 (01:24:20):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
Yeah, and then the pitching just stay healthy and get healthy.
The rest of the world does not want to see
the mass unit. End. I'm just telling the baseball because
they're already looking and saying, look what they've done without it,
what's going to happen with it? And then if they
get healthy at the right time, it could be one
hell of a forty game run here coming up seven
one three, two, one two, five sevent nine.

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
If you want to chime on in, who is the
Astros player you would like to see this team add
in before the trade deadline?

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
Take quick time.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Out our number two in the books, our number three
set to begin and Texans Talk. Hey Sean, what are
we going to see from the Texans in day three
of training camp? Not on the field, but the overreactions
that come from practice. Shawn Salisbury show right here on
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one thirty two, one two ninety Astros lose Game one
of a four game set against the Athletics. Texans training
camp officially underway. Day three practice start up beginning less

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than an hour, and the MLB trade deadline has officially
opened Pandora's box. Josh Naylor headed on out for the
desert over to the likes of the Seattle West Coast,
joining the Mariners, hopefully getting them on a run toward
the postseason. Sean has put the most first out of
the show, talking a little bit of Astros. You're a
football guy, I'm a football guy. Let's talk a little

(01:26:30):
bit of Texans. Day three training camp officially underway. The
offensive line to me still is going to be the
major storyline.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
I get it. CJ.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
Stroud, What was he like not throwing during the middle
of OTA's What was it like when he wasn't out
there for mini camp? He's back in full capacity. The
injury to Joe Mixon, Okay, it's a little concerning.

Speaker 6 (01:26:48):
He's on the pup I mean, he's on the NFL list.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Not gonna be sitting here sitting on pins and needles
wondering when he's gonna play until we get to Week
one and if he's not back. But that offensive line again,
and you know this is a core and I know
this is just from watching film. You want to have
a sustainable success. You want to be a team that
actually elevates your roster and goes on a run in
the playoffs. It doesn't matter what you have at the

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wide receiver position, it doesn't matter what you have at
the defensive line. They're all X factors. But if you
can't protect your quarterback, you don't say in Shan Helm.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
Yeah, and I'm not worried about mixing because I don't.
I wouldn't give Joe Mixon one carry during the preseason anyway.
I wouldn't either. I would not touch the football. We're
at a time now and very few starters play on
a regular base. Now, if you're a starter like Drake
May in New England, he needs to play. He needs
to get some work in two places. That's where he
needs to get a little bit of work in. But

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you're not gonna destroy him because he's not. You know what,
They don't count in the preseason, So I don't need
Mixing or Derrick Henry or to Lamar Jackson running rpo
and getting hit. I don't need any of that preseasons
and most preseason games are as overrated as we do
anything in football. I'd rather have the play a practice
against another team, get rid of preseason games, had an

(01:28:00):
eighteenth game to the regular season schedule, and do it
like college man. Prepare yourself, get your three weeks of camp,
and let's go play. So ow man, our guy got hurt. Well,
I know guys can get hurt. We'll eliminate it. And
the truth is, if I'm a coach, I'm judging my
players from the daily grind of how they are in meetings,
how they practice the game. When my quarterback goes six

(01:28:21):
of eight is just validation. And that's for the fifth
round pick trying to make the team as a linebacker
and a special teams guy. I don't care if Aaron
Rodgers doesn't throw one ball in preseason game, it will
have zero effect on what he does in September. That's it.
So I'm not worried about Joe MIxS. A matter of fact,
I'd prefer fresh legs than battle tested. He's plenty battle tested.
This is and if Nick Chubb stays healthy, which he's

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got a bone to pick because that guy was a
Pro Bowl player and got hurt. It was in a
horrible a team. That's a quarterback. They can't find a
quarterback there. It's ridiculous. The dude's and I guarantee he'll
be on a mission. This is the best one to
two punch in the NFL. I'm just telling you, And finally,
find me a better one, find me a better second,

(01:29:02):
Find me a better one too. In the NFL. He's
not the best Mixing is not the best back. He's
in the team picture. But find me a better backup,
I would argue Detroit.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
I would say, okay, so Gibbs starter.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
But when it gets right down to it, if you
flip flopped and gave me Montgomery and gave them Nick
Chubb as the backup. You're going to get similar productions
because their offensive line is nasty. But that's the thing
is that goes back to offensive So, yes, you cannot
win a championship. Back to my whole original point. Finest
teams don't win championships. They look pretty and they'll get
you to the playoffs, but eventually you're going to get

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pushed around and somebody who punches harder, the people who
hit you in the gut will eventually wear you out.
So with the Texans, it comes down to this. I
don't see a weakness on defense. I don't I don't
see a weakness now wide receiver. I got to see
how these two young players emerge and who Christian Kirk is,
and it'd be nice if they were healthy. I would

(01:29:57):
have loved it if if Diggs was to here you
had another stud, like if you would have gone in
free agency and got a Cooper Cup if you could
have right, But they see something in these guys, and
they obviously like Matt Campbell players at wide receiver. I
think the quarterback can elevate them and I think they're
gonna be fine and Nico Collins is a friggin beast.

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
Oh he's a top five white.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
I've got to see more production from the tight end position.
I just have to in the passing game. And you
know what, it'd be nice with your hand in the
dirt if you actually decide to block somebody once in
a while, that'd be great at that position pre snap penalties.
But the whole focus on this team if they're gonna
go where they want to go, and that's not just
winning a division and getting to the divisional playoff. It
is getting there and getting deep into January and then

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testing your medal against Baltimore or against Cincinnati, or against
Kansas City or Saying or the LA Chargers, whoever's going
to be that team, Buffalo Bills, that's where it's gonna happen.
And they talk about being nasty or they're gonna have
to because if you're a pillow fight offensive lineman or
offensive line group, you're you're going to be. That is

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the definition of your team. Most teams, and you say, hey,
how are they? When I say Philadelphia, you say, well,
they got great perimeter people, Thank you. I go to
Lane Johnson and the guys up front, they move piles
and Saquon Barkley is added to that. I go to Baltimore,
ah lamar. But the truth of the matter is with
Derek Henry and their physicality upfront, Ronnie Stanley, you're like, oh,

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they're different. And then you go to the teams who
can't quite get there, and you know, we say, Miami,
perfect example, can score fifty anytime on the blink of
an eye MCDA boom boom boom. And then all of
a sudden it gets to nut cut in time and
they got to deal with December and teams that are
more physical with them, and you know what they do
and they're done. Yeah, So that this team has every

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every shot to move on in January. As long as
the five guys have continuity, I don't need five pro bowlers,
I need five solid players that Obviously you have an
idea that you can't jump off sides pre snap fourteen
fifteen times and decide, oh, I'm still the best player
at my position. League. No, that's why you're playing somewhere else.
And Laramie Tunzell.

Speaker 5 (01:32:04):
And I agree with you on that that you can't
jump off. What I will say is is that when
you replace that type of talent. You better hope that
whoever's coming on in can be as good as vice protection.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
I actually think that Jeremie Tunzel, See, I can't put
you in the top five players at your position if
you're putting me at first in fifteen every single every
other series. Now, when the ball snapped and he gets
his hands on somebody in pass protection, fine, he's an
okay run blocker and got a talented guy. Yeah, but

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that'd be like me saying, you know, my quarterback through
forty eight touchdowns this year, but through twenty five interceptions. Yeah,
so jameis wist right. Oh man, he giveth and he
taketh away. That's the problem. And that's what Tunsil was.
And you know what, it's an upgrade for Washington. They
get a good player. The Tunsil is a good play.
He went to the commanders, right, Yes, we're protecting a
young quarter right, no doubt. Now I'll tell you when

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it doesn't work is if their head coach just sitting
there saying, you know what dan Quinn's like. Dude, that's
four times in two days you on the practice field.
You better hold him accountable there. So I actually think
when you combined the two. He was overrated, he was not.
I would have traded him as well. He'd have been gone.
And he's a good player. But you can't keep doing
that to me because what it sends a message is

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that now it's first and fifteen and you drop back
to pass and then you wonder why guys are getting
hit because you can't block him, because they couldn't block
base protection last year. So yes, while I like him,
I had zero issue with moving him for that price.
You gotta be you can't be the worst pre snap
guy on your team. You got to be the best.

Speaker 10 (01:33:35):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
The other thing is also keep in mind Lane Johnson
jumping off side ten times this year.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
No, there's the difference, right, And I think you could
say the same thing for Taylor Decker. You can say
the same thing for Pine Soul. You can say the
same thing for Ronnie Stanley. The thing I will say
is that while he did only allow three sacks, fifty
four sacks is excusable for the rest of the offensive line.
And you bring in Cam Robinson, who last season was
he's he's gonna up and down down jokes. He was
a turnstile in both Jacksonville and in Minnesota, I moved

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on from him, and that's why he's in Houston because
if you had to get an offensive tackle that you
can hopefully buy a lostock into Tay your series the day,
and that people are gonna be paying attention to the second
round pick out of Minnesota playing right tackle, but he's.

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
Also played left tackle, yes, right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
So the offensive line and the turnstile and the way
that they're moving it, it's a sign that Demiko Ryans
and Cole Popovich are saying, hey, we need five.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Dudes where you could put Fisher back at his normal
position at right tackle and move to left tackle and
make Cam Robinson earn the job. And I think that's
what they're gonna do.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
But they're saying right now, in my opinion, hey five dudes,
I don't care if we got to move Tay to
the right side. If Fisher's going to be our starter,
we need five dudes locked in and are going to
protect our car.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Continuity is more important there than it is anywhere else.
And quarterback receiver, what about are they on the same page? Well,
I just know this. When I call a twelve yard
curl route, it's a twelve yard curl it's a twelve
yard card. I don't care who's running. I don't need
timing with that. I've thrown it at eight billion times.
What I do need is a left guard to be
able to know what the left tackle's doing and when
they have a stunt. You've got this the communication. I

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just need five solid players that play the majority of
the season together. The mixing and matching and the quarterback
wondering if his legs are safe, if the interior is
blocked up, and as there's death, if somebody gets hurt,
they have got to be They don't even have to
be great, they just got to be good and solid.
And like I said, if you're a pre snap penalty team,
if that continues, they have zero shot at winning a

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Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
Say with me, sean conton team, it's all I want.
I don't want this season to see six different offensive
line groups working together in the first seven games.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Well, I can't do it again. If that's the case,
you will be in a position you do not want
to be.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
In seven ninety. We're going to take your calls when
we come on back. Cole Popovich. New offensive line coach
Titus Howard, the veteran of the offensive line had plenty
to say about the turning of events this past offseason
with him.

Speaker 6 (01:35:50):
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:51):
We'll talk about Nick Cayley's offense, what to expect moving forward,
and one player for the Texans that I have got
to see something stand out in training camp or he's
gonna be on a new roster. We'll talk about that
much much more on the Sean Salisbury Show on SPORTSOX
seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Next let the celebration start or Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Salisbury, it's a Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 5 (01:36:14):
Sean, I want to continue to talk about the offensive
line because of here's the thing, Chris Strausser is no
longer the offensive line coach, thank god. Thank After last
season with how many falls starts with milaomy Tonsel, with
how many inconsistent styles offensive lines that you played, how
many rotations you sent out there, you.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
Were a dead man walking. If you were c. J.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
Strab it just was the case. But you internally promoted
Cole Popovich. Now, part of the reason for that was
because of his relationship with Nick Kaylee from his time
in New England. They both spend a little bit of
time working with Dante Scarnekia there is a belief also
according to the Houston Chronicles, Johan m Alexander throws Pas
reported in the Soft Sason that the positives that came

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last season from the offensive line were because of the
teachings of Cole Popovich and so naturally one of the
big things is how does he transition from being an
assistant offensive blind coach now having full rings. Well, Titus
Howard was asked yesterday, what have you noticed that it
is different about this offensive line now with Cole Pavivic
having full control.

Speaker 12 (01:37:13):
I think the biggest thing with Nick and Coles and
my said, like you know, I might said last year
wasn't like it is this year, like I might say now,
is we got to get downhill.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
We got to get on guys early and move them.

Speaker 12 (01:37:25):
And that's something that we struggle with on the offensive
line of passes, getting the run game going. Because you
get the run game going, the past game gonna get going,
you know. So we got to be able to establish
that run early. And they've just been attacking the details
of the run game of getting double teams a lot.
We're gonna be doing a lot of double teams, so
we're just working on those fundamentals every day and trying
to get better.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
When you hear that, Sean does this sound like he's
calling out Chris Drausser calling out maybe Lamy Tunseel for
how they acted last year.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
Oh, I think there's hidden meaning without doing it. I
I there's no doubt there is. There is a you
figure it out comment there. Play it again and listen
if you wanted, and how he goes about there is
no doubt. And you don't get rid of an offensive
line coach unless they're getting worse.

Speaker 6 (01:38:05):
Yeah, triple play. The beginning of that one more time
is real fast.

Speaker 12 (01:38:09):
I think the biggest thing with Nick and Coles and
my said, like you know, I might said, last year
wasn't like it is this year.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
There we go.

Speaker 6 (01:38:17):
That was it our mindset last year wasn't set that way.

Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
I on the and not knowing because we're not it.
I always am cautious from a distance, having been in
those locker rooms and having people judge it. They don't
know what goes on. We don't know what goes on
until somebody tells us, and so I was always cautious
of all right, they're studying the tape, what are they
talking about the meeting room. How are they coaching them?
But I said on this show fifty times last year,

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are they allowing this on the practice field in the
meeting room? Because I have a hard time believing, just
from experience on teams I've been on. It's not like,
well I played and somebody else didn't. I'm just talking
about up close watching people do their job. And I've
been on teams where you're acountable, and I've been on
teams were kind of accountable. Yeah, And I've watched and

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I can never remember, at any point in time being
on a team that practiced poorly up there and you
allowed penalties and said, you know, run it again or
it's okay, and basically didn't hold him accountable. I've never
been on a team that, when you didn't hold him accountable,
that won consistently and was really good. I haven't because

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eventually it catches up to you in those little things
Like in life, oh man, the small wins end up
building the foundation for huge ones. And it's the same.
I'm just telling you what comes first, the chicken of
the egg. It's the little details, the small things that
the end that Nick Saban would not overlook that Bill
Belichick would not overlook that. I don't think Demico Ryan's

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and hence why I believe that after two years of
Demiico Ryans probably felt like the accountability just from this
is my vantage point having not been in their meeting room,
that that whether it's coaching, teaching, accountabil on the field,
in the meeting room, all of it wasn't adding up
to success on the field. Now, one thing I always do, listen,
there isn't a time in my life, and I don't

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care what Titus Howard says or anybody else, there isn't
a time in my life where I've watched an offensive
line coach getting a three point stance in a game
and jump off sides on a penalty. So they're also
the accountability that he's talking about, or it's different this year.
I don't need a pregame speech to get ready to
play the friggin Jacksonville Jaguars of the Kansas City Chiefs.
If you do, then then you probably should take two

(01:40:32):
weeks off and quit. Now, if I get somebody who
can discipline and see, as we always hear, disciplines permanent,
motivations temporary, and there is a difference you give me
the best speech in the world, and I've heard him.
You walk out there, somebody punches you right in the face.
You're like, damn, that motivational speech sucked. Ass It ain't
that good. And it doesn't matter now the discipline all

(01:40:52):
I got punched in the mouth. Go back to the
practice field. What did coach talk about in the meeting room?
What did we work on in our nine and seven
run drill?

Speaker 11 (01:40:59):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
That's right right, here's how I'm gonna combat that. Instead
of play the victim, we got our askt why and
the guy next to me doing his gig all that. So,
while there is truth in this, and I think from
a distance, there's a reason why Demko moved on from
the coordinator in the offensive line corps and there's no
doubt and it's business and still friends all call it,
but that's the way it works. So it tells me

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that one that the players didn't ask for accountability because
their offensive line you don't do and play like they played. Dude,
I could have picked the high school offensive line to
pick up more stunts than they did, and basic stunts.
So with that and then your line up three point stance,
you can count its clockwork this series, somebody the left
tackle's moving, the right guard's not gonna get up to

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the second level and block. There was always something and
it's too much overcome. So yes, the accountability. So from
my vantage point not having been there, it just told
me that in the meeting room, in the practice field
there was too much latitude. Sure, sometimes you gotta rain
them in. Well, you're treating them like seventh grades. Well,
if you're gonna play like one, you're gonna get treated

(01:42:02):
like one. And if you're gonna prepare like one. So
and that just from a distance, I believe that you don't.
I don't believe you can practice poorly all the time, yeah,
and then play great. I do believe you can practice poorly.
And it shows up on Sunday because most teams aren't
good enough to turn it on and off like a lights,
which you're just not. So it tells me I don't
see how you can go anywhere but up just on

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production alone at the offensive line, regardless who the bodies are.
So yeah, and you can tell by listening to what
he said that there's this accountability of It's different, whether
it's the discipline, the quick motivation, the accountability. The way
it's being taught, it looked to me it was a
disorganized disrespect. I mean that there wasn't this respect among

(01:42:44):
each other. And I don't think that they're bummed that
Tunsil's gone, and I don't think he was the only one.
But when your leader is not disciplined, what are the
other four cats gonna do? Yeah, you're you've got a
hold hi account of one. They finally did. You moved him.
You got rid of the offensive line, glind coach, got
rid the offensive coordinator. We're not tolerating that. This here,

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and if you don't send that message early, look what
Belichick always did. And Casario knows this, Lawyer Malloy at
the tail end they got he got rid of them
a year before Tylow, great players, phenomenal, Richard Seymour, Mike,
the list goes on and on. Good, get rid of them.
You're like, what do you get rid of them for?
And then the next and then the next year, the

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next two years you're like, they're not the same, not
that they weren't great players when they played. And this
is one. You could have let this fester and come
back with this and re ran it again. But guess what.
You can skin it any way you want. One thing
I do know, Tunsil is still going to have prestat
penalties in Washington, even though he's an upgrade for them and.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
It'll be great in pass protection, but he'll still have
the same issues that we saw.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
And the other thing is than fifteen you won't beat
Detroit in a playoff game.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
The same thing is that also you have to remind
yourself you weren't gonna be able to get these deals
locked up long term with Derek Stingley, with Jalen Peetree
if you had Total's contract and the value for what
you were gonna get return is not gonna be there
next year when he's going into a contract season and
the penalty is continuing to stockpile. So it just is
the reason why you got to move off him, and
I agree with you. What's really funny is that you

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mentioned that the pregame speech about how we gotta go
out there, it always reminds me of Man Taitao in
twenty twelve when he was at Notre Dame given the
ravenous uproar, upheaval speech. And then they go out and
they play on the opening drive and they get knocked
in the fricking mouth by Alabama, and it's like, oh,
we're losing this game. Like I don't want the speech,
Like I don't need Tony Demato telling me.

Speaker 6 (01:44:29):
If we got that, whaty odd?

Speaker 4 (01:44:31):
They can't be Like.

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
I don't need you al Pacino, to go ahead and
sell me on this. What I need is to know
that when I see a problem on the field, Cole
Popovich is grabbing somebody by the face mask and going,
what the bleep are you doing? Get it together or
get on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
I don't need this now. Let me even take it
to another thing. Would I talk with quarterbacks? I'm training
all the time, OK, care I for your seventh grader,
if you're a high school All American is self correcting.
I can't fix you as your quarterback coach in the
fifteenth row watching you play on a Friday night. We've
put all the time in. Take what you've learned, apply it,
and you've got to learn how to self correct, right

(01:45:08):
you can. I can't look at It's like that little
league pitcher who throws astray and allway after every pitch
is looking over at his mom and dad in the
stands for approval and valid. Right, it's the same thing here.
If you're prepared, right, guess what, I don't need a
coach telling me you can't jump on, no kidding, and
then you fix it. Matter of fact, you bring it
to the coach, say, man, I got to be better.
I didn't get up to the second level. Right, And

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then the accountability of and if you do it five times,
then the other guy's going to be playing. And if
you have to operate out of that, oh well, we're
in a production business. Unfortunately, we've switched to potential a
lot of times, and guys are getting paid on potential
and the production sucks. But if you can pay them
on production and that there's potential for them to get better,
now you got the best of all worlds. Some guys

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hit their ceiling, and I think some of the guys
that are no longer here have hit their ceiling and
may not play better football than they've played. But that position,
it's five guys in one little circle of a hula
hoop that have to play together because you can be
four really good ones in the right tackle doesn't block anybody.
I don't care what play you have designed. It has
no shot. Those guys have to be in unison or

(01:46:12):
one little ay gap blitz ruins an entire home run
play that would have hit if the guy just held
his water a little bit longer. So that's got a
change in the truth of matters. It can't be that
hard to change what was broken last year. Shot.

Speaker 5 (01:46:26):
I have a golden retriever. I love him to death.
He is my best friend in the entire world, and
he always looks for approval for me. Hey look I
got the stick. Hey look I got the ball. Hey
look I got a belly rum.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
That's cool.

Speaker 6 (01:46:35):
I don't want that as my offensive lit I need
a polar bear.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
I need somebody who is going to not care about
anybody besides himself at protecting his quarterback out on the field.
If you want my approval, show it by murdering the
person across.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
I can tell you now from my vantage point and
watching other quarterbacks and great players, that I want my
offensive line. This is the best way I can describe it.
We hear nasty. I always talk about that I want
my off to be smart and who to get and
how to get them, which is a Denny Green phrase.
You got to know who to get and then go
get them. But you got to be prepared, You got
to put the time in. Here's the best way for

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me to describe it is, I want my five offensive
linemen to be on the verge of getting kicked out
of every game. Understand what I'm saying that is, I
want those guys to be on the verge of getting
kicked out every game because they're they're toeing the line
of protecting their team and wearing you at I want
them on the verge of you know what, Hey, you

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got your technical foul. I don't mean penalize yourself in
third and four and you jump off side of you hold.
But you know what, if I got to hold to
keep my quarterback up right, he can't getting hit and
I'll sacrifice that. But I want you on the verge,
and I don't ever to hear anybody else talk about
this for me, I want you on the verge, all
five of you, of being such an attitude and so
nasty and so confident that you are on the verge

(01:47:51):
of getting kicked out every single game. You want five
quin Else, I want five Kevin Gogans, I want five
Steve Wiznowski's I want five, Logan, ma, I want five
of my guy from Miami that went through the Ritchie
and Cognito. I want five of those guys because you
know what, I have yet to talk to a person
that coached. And I know two or three guys that

(01:48:11):
coached Richie and Cognito and guess what, they would lay
it down for it and he would do the same
for them. I need and I can't have two of them.
You can be cool. Listen, Anthony Munhos is the nicest guy.
You talked to, Anthony Munyo so best left tackle ever?
You talk to him, you talk to op I'm gonna
tell you right now. Nice. You think, how did that

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guy wear people out? Yet when the ball was snapped
they were on the verge of killing somebody every time
the ball was snapped and hints why and mixed with
some talent but set all the great ones same way.
I need somebody on the verge of getting kicked out
but disciplined enough not to. But I want you towing
that damn line every single snap. If they get to
that point, the Houston Texans will be playing in the

(01:48:54):
in the UH in the AFC Championship Game sooner than
you think.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
He's a gen zer. But can we see tay Ersery
potentially become the next version of Op or Anthony muon
Neals take quick time out when we come back tay Ersrie,
what is his role going to be on this offensive line?
That much more on the Shawn Salisbury Show Sports Talk
seven ninety for the Sewn Salisbury Show continued, I'm calling

(01:49:20):
him jen Zop because of again, that's where I hope
his expectations are. He was a three time All Big
Ten selection at the University of Minnesota, started forty plus
games on the left side.

Speaker 4 (01:49:30):
Comes from that PJ.

Speaker 5 (01:49:31):
Fleck row your boat mentality, former Big Ten Offensive Lineman
of the Year. The Texans loved him so much that
we saw the report when the Patriots released their video
on the Trevian Henderson pick, that Houston was willing to
give up multiple draft compensations, including a second round pick
next year, to get into the top forty in land him. Instead,
they land him at forty eight in a trade with

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the Las Vegas Raiders, only giving up a future fourth
round pick in the process, and they're pick at fifty eight.
He is a guy that at this point, Seawan and
I've been out of practice last two days and seeing
him look on the left side of the offensive line
and the right side of the offensive line, and the
fact that he is getting reps with the starters and
we're having more of a conversation of Hey, Cam Robinson,

(01:50:12):
you got to earn this shop, Blake Fisher, you got
to earn this shop. In my opinion, it's abundantly clear
that the Texans are planning on starting terror stary on
one side of the offensive line by the time we
get to week one.

Speaker 4 (01:50:22):
I don't have a problem with that happening. Matter of fact,
if you can't break in on this offensive line, then
you probably shouldn't have drafted them high. But I can.
I will tell you that there's another compliment in this
that we're not going to talk normally when you bring
a rookie and you're trying to get him settled in
a position so he can learn, because it is there's
a lot going on right when you go from college

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to the NFL. In college, they're telling you everything to do,
giving you one protection. You go do your thing. I mean,
they're could change in protections, but it's the heads are
snapping over to the guy on the sideline we've send
him play In the NFL, we get in huddles, we
get out of huddles, and then you've got to walk
to the line, scrimmage, in decipher and there's a lot
of audible checks, which is not as much in college.
You're in a quarterback that all these things go in.

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So normally, what's a rookie to it doing? In all
position you're trying to get locked in? It's the mental
stuff that you're like because the mental stuff prevents you
from going full speed physically because you're thinking too much.
You got to clear the clutter and go. So with
a rookie, put him at a position, and go what
this is telling you by putting him at right tackle
at left tackle, that we trust that a rookie is

(01:51:28):
a quick study and can play both. And I'm putting
him at both. I don't think there's any doubt when
you're running with the first and your rookie that they
already know that there's a different ability about him. You
got to play and I have you get I'll play
four rookie offensive lineman if that's what you draft, and
they're better than the veterans. And another layer to that
this offensive line has no sacred cows, meaning some good players,

(01:51:50):
but in truth, and I know he's played four offensive
line positions other than the center Titus Howard as a
first round picks, not a sacred cow. I would make
him run the job too. At the right guard, I
would make the right tackle, and I would make Cam Robinson.
They're gonna earn it because the truth of the matter
is if competition doesn't bring out the best in you,
then you know what, I can't count on you on

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Sunday anyway. So you know what, and if they all
go in saying, you know what, I got to earn
this gig, and then I got to create enough trust
that if I'm not the starter when they put me in,
I got a chance to remain the starter. So it's
twofold here. Trusting a rookie to play two positions when
it's tough enough to learn one is huge. Secondly, I'm
not apologizing for make you compete. There's very few guys

(01:52:32):
that waltz in now the defense. I got a lot
of them, but there's a very few guys that can
waltz in and say, oh, he's so good, he's my starter.
When Ronnie Stanley and bald, he's my left tackle. He's
gonna play. But the great thing about guys like that is,
and the great ones I've been around, John Randall and
Junior Saale, they came in acting as if they were
a free agent trying to make a team. That's how
they practice. I'm just telling you what would I say,

(01:52:57):
and undrafted right or agent that got cut. It comes
in trying to make a team. That's how say out.
It's a tryout for them. Basically, that's how he Henry Thomas,
John Randall, Chris Carter, Like I said, Junior sale where
I've been that those guys practiced harder than the guy
that really did have to practice hard because you know what,

(01:53:18):
they knew eyeballs were on him and they knew that
the example was set in for others. So on this
offensive line, all five of you cats are gonna have
to earn your job and you're gonna have to play
like that to keep it.

Speaker 5 (01:53:29):
You talked about Titus Howard, who I don't think is
the sacred cal The thing is is that with that
contract to warrant it, he's probably gonna start.

Speaker 4 (01:53:37):
Oh he is going to start, but he's got to
play like he has to earn it right.

Speaker 5 (01:53:41):
But the thing is that you didn't mention he played
for different positions. Tay Orsary's playing two different positions. So
if anybody knows what it's like to have to learn
how to play at an early age multiple spots, it's
Titus Howard and he was asked yesterday about what advice
would you give to Tayorsary to make sure that, hey,
when you're on the left side, you're doing this right.

Speaker 6 (01:53:59):
When you're on the right side, you're not over correcting it.

Speaker 12 (01:54:01):
Tell him the main thing is just the mental bar first,
So get getting into playbook and learning how to be
able to switch each play flip it backwards. So because
that's the biggest part getting up there. If you know
what you got to do, the resk is gonna take
care of yourself. He's more an athletic than know to
play left track round right tackle. He's just getting up
there and knowing what he got to do right away,

(01:54:22):
so he not thinking so much. And I think he's
been doing a fantastic job on it. He's having a
tremendous camp so far, and he's only going to get better.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
I feel like he's a guy that likes.

Speaker 12 (01:54:30):
To learn from the older guys and the coaches and
try to apply that to practice.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
I'm just excited to be his teammates. So it's time
for Titus Hourer to take another step leadership wise and
to be a guy that's not afraid to talk on
this and talk to him about that. That's what good
teammates do, elevate the guys around him. And with that,
this is the first I've heard that sound. It just
validates what I told you. If you if you take
care of the physical but you don't know who to block,
it won't matter exactly if you take care of the

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mental and study it. Some of the best players we've
ever had at this position could bench press the team
bus and worth the best. But technicians wise, they got
to the right angle. They beat you to the spot.
They knew how to block you, they knew your weaknesses.
So man, if he let's make sure we hook him.
He's not good to get his an out getting his
outside arm free. Man I can hook him, we can

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get the edge, all those things to go with it.
But it's the mental part. Gimme guys to know who
to block. The physical part will take care of itself.
We drafted you, we know you physically. But if you
can't mentally study and learn it and apply it on
the field, and take it from the practice field and
the meetings and apply it on game day, we're in trouble.
So give me a mentally tough, mentally strong, menially prepared

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guy and he'll usually beat the guy he's blocking or
the guy that he's competing with.

Speaker 5 (01:55:44):
One of my favorite players, one of my favorite stories
of all time is about a junior college kid at
Kilgore who eventually earned his way onto the starting lineup
at the University of Oklahoma, and Bob Suits was asked
about him, what was the thing that stood out about
him as a junior college player versus getting somebody who
was a freshman, i mean, a four star All American
for their high school. And it was the mental IQ.

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It was the adaptability of understanding assignment, footwork, little things
like that that truly stood out about his game.

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
Who was it? It's the best tackle in football. It's
Lane Johnson.

Speaker 5 (01:56:15):
Lane Johnson from a mental standpoint, from a identity of IQ,
from footwork to hand placement. That to me is what
makes the difference of an offensive line. The fact that
you have him. I want that for Teier say. I
want to say he has to b Lane Johnson two
point Oh. What I'm saying is that I care more
so about him being a suave, smooth technician with the footwork,

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with the hand placement, IQ understanding where to block, understanding
where to go up on angles. If he can do that,
even if it's not a perfect impass protection, you already
have solved fifty percent of the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:56:50):
Well, you know what I can What I can't control
is if I'm the left tackle and I got a
block TJT or Michael Parsons and they beat me once
in a while, well, welcome to pro football and welcome
to blocking a great player. Where I'm going to survive
most of the time is if I'm What I can
control is how much I know studied your moves and

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study what I got to do. That the mental part
will put me in position because I'm not running out there.
If you've got two left feet as alignment, yea. If
you've got good feet in good hands, as long as
you know how to beat him to the spot and
are a technician, you may not be physical enough take
him to the ground all the time. You don't need
to be. But I could tell you this. If you're
physical enough, take him to the ground. But I can
run by you. Because you've got zero study habits. You

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don't know how to block me, then we got a problem.
Or if a blitz comes in their show. Plus defensive
coordinators and players are way too smart, yeah, way too
smart that if they see blood in the water, they
will destroy it. And mentally ill prepared players are a
crusher and quite frankly, an embarrassment to a teammate. I
can control how much I prepare, I can't control with

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the guy on the other side stronger than me.

Speaker 5 (01:57:54):
Did you know what was tayors Who's best game last
year when he was in college?

Speaker 4 (01:57:58):
Probably against a really good team Penn State, Abdoll Carter
and that and why because you know going in what
it's going to offer. Ask Gary Zimmerm in a Hall
of Famer what it was like when he had to
block Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor. He was prepared for both.
Aside from the fact that he was a physical monster,
he knew how to block him.

Speaker 5 (01:58:14):
Fifteen pass fifteen pass sets against Addoll Carter, number three,
pick one pressure, zero sacks, zero Tigers for losses three
You can win with that? Yep, seven one three seven ninety. Dang,
what was he on the phone line? Take a quick
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We'll get to astros talk, We'll get back to conversations
with the Texans.

Speaker 6 (01:58:32):
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The one player that I got to see something for
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Speaker 6 (02:00:37):
Daniel DFW, what's on your mind, my friend?

Speaker 13 (02:00:41):
Well, good morning guys. First to Triple Eve the re
Joiners this morning have been awesome. Just regarding I would
love to see O'Hearn or a power bat more than
anything else as far as the trade deadline is concerned.

Speaker 4 (02:00:55):
But I would really.

Speaker 13 (02:00:56):
Love it if Dana Brown could pull off some kind
of coup where we get a war is and I
believe it's Merrill's the last kid. That the last kid. Yeah,
I would love to see like something like that where
we're getting a two for one at bat and arm
and in that case, well, especially with the Diamondbacks, I would.

Speaker 5 (02:01:14):
Offer the paper.

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Speaker 10 (02:01:17):
Name, but.

Speaker 4 (02:01:20):
I would love to see that happen.

Speaker 13 (02:01:21):
And also just as far as the Texans go, I
believe the rookie from Iowa loot something. Yeah, he was
supposedly the steel of the draft according to the NFL Network,
because he would have been a day he was injured
his senior year, and had he not been injured, he
would have been a Day two pick, our second or

(02:01:42):
third round pick. And those kids from iOS seemed to
be really good tight ends. Anyway, Just love to hear
your guys' thoughts and have a great weekend.

Speaker 5 (02:01:50):
Appreciate the call, Daniel, Listen, Sean, you and I I
think you can discuss this when we come back from
the break. But I do believe there is some value
of getting a tight end like Luke Lache where you
get him. But also I'm not banking on a seventh
round pick to come on in and immediately earn any
type of role for this offense outside of Hey, maybe
at best will be a special teamer. And if we

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have to go turning him in some way, I guess
he could be a blocker.

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
And his job is to make it miserable for this
team to keep him out of the lineup. Yeah, as
I said, and don't discount, and I'm with you, but
don't discount real quick, Just how motivated how motivating it
is to think that you could have been drafted higher
and should have been in your mind, and you know
what it means to have an opportunity to compete. Digging

(02:02:37):
into the heart of it, so we'll see, but a
good player that was probably held in higher regard than
then where he was picked.

Speaker 5 (02:02:45):
I definitely trust Kirk Ferens's ability to get tight ends,
always does every single year.

Speaker 4 (02:02:50):
It feels that way. Yep.

Speaker 5 (02:02:51):
I'm just also not right now going into camp believing, Hey,
Luke Lache's seventh round pick starting tight end.

Speaker 4 (02:02:56):
I feel really not going to happen.

Speaker 6 (02:02:58):
I feel really confident that no, not going to happen.

Speaker 4 (02:03:00):
I agree with you, though.

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The job of a guy like Luke Lasche is, hey,
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if they want to be on the Texans roster in
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officially under way as Josh Naylor leave the desert headed
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want to time on in, Sean, I prefaced this before
we went to commercial break.

Speaker 4 (02:05:03):
One player.

Speaker 5 (02:05:03):
I have got to see something for this upcoming training
camp if I believe he is part of the long
term And a lot of people are gonna say, well,
you're probably talking about Dalton Schultz, right, You're probably talking
about maybe a Jew Scruggs. You're talking about Jared Patterson
long term, or maybe you want to throw in, oh,
Kate Stover, because if he was supposed to be the
title that you trade up for last year, Sean, of me,

(02:05:23):
it's Christian Harris, the linebacker. It's her four last season,
missed majority of the of the year because of a
calf injury. You came back, you didn't have the starting
job anymore. That was Henry Toatois. He had earned the
starting reps. And then you go into training camp. You're
not put on the pup list, you're not put on
the nfil list. You're able to be at practice three

(02:05:45):
straight days you have not practice?

Speaker 4 (02:05:49):
Yeah, is that a is that a Christian Harris issue
or is it a team issue? That's what I'm wondering. Yeah, well,
I don't know, is it I can't go full go
I always said, and I'm not saying him. I don't
know that that's in. Maybe we'll start with Aaron Wilson
again next week. He'll be regular on Friday. Maybe we'll
get an idea of more team, take your time or more.

(02:06:11):
While I may be pronounced fitting ready to go, I'm
not ready to go. Sure, I don't know, but yes,
put it this way, if he is the player that
we saw when he's healthy, that just adds a great
bandwidth to this team, which is this defense? Find me
a glaring weakness. There isn't one, matter of fact, I'm
not sure you can find a even a weakness that

(02:06:31):
you're like. They've gotten better in the interior defensive line.
We know the edge rushers are very difficult to deal with.

Speaker 6 (02:06:38):
Depth interior would be the only one. I'd say that's
a minor one.

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
That's the interior depth. But and it could become major
if you have two injuries. Sure, but they at least
have addressed the depth wise, and they're good, and their
front seven is really good, and their linebackers run, and
they are pretty nasty. And their secondary is the best
young secondary in the NFL. Period. Now we may even

(02:07:01):
be cheating him by saying young secondary. They're in the
team picture for best in the business. They just are
right and and not and the oldest ones stingy and
And think about that. Well, I'm talking about your If
you're lining up with four your safeties Petrion and Bullock
and Lasseter and Stingley, the average age is about what

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twenty three twenty four, and then you add a cagy
veteran to it that can play inside and outside. When
it comes to you know, the slot can he can.
He's very versatile. Yeah, I mean you you've you've added.
But I'm saying there, when you line up with those studs,
you're dealing with a great ballhawk, a guy who can tackle,
and Petrio a guy who can who roams around. And
if you redrafted, he wouldn't be a mid r there's

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no question. So it is this team doesn't have one now,
and Harris is a good choice. I mean, you can
probably name four or five guys like that, but I'm
anxious to see how durable because the ability of availability
is important. Yeah, and it would be really really nice
to have that versatility to be able to line up
because he is an explosive player. But I can still

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win without him right defensively, I expect him to be
a top five defense this year, but he would sure
help and I'd like to see him. I don't need
a lot of work, but I do need him in
shape ready to go, and he probably after missing a
lot of last year, a few reps would be nice
for his personal confidence. I'm sure he's an important piece
to the defense, although they've covered themselves pretty well well.

Speaker 5 (02:08:31):
There's three things that go into this number One. Just
remember what he looked like in twenty twenty three when
Dimico came in here, and a big reason why I
was so high on Demiko working with a guy like
Christian Harris's Alabama lums. They both understand playing the off
ball linebackers, but both of to make transitional transitions to
the linebacker's position. Because when Christian Harris was playing at Alabama,

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he was a defensive back.

Speaker 6 (02:08:54):
He was a little bit too slow at safety.

Speaker 5 (02:08:56):
Nick Saban said, you know what, We're gonna put you
in the box, make you play on the outside. You're
gonna be our off ball coverage backer. Will make it work.

Speaker 4 (02:09:02):
Demika.

Speaker 5 (02:09:03):
When he went from playing on the outside at Alabama,
they did him inside, so the transitional position was always
gonna be a big deal. One hundred and one tackles,
two sacks, big interception in the playoff win against Cleveland
in twenty twenty three. Think you miss all the time?
That's position number one. The upside for him is through
the roof number two. They've made the adjustments to where
they feel like they can survive without it.

Speaker 6 (02:09:24):
They brought in EJ Speed this offseason.

Speaker 5 (02:09:26):
EJ Speed one hundred and forty two tackles last year
played the same spot, the weak outside linebacker that is
not afraid to blitz, that is also going to be
able to give you value and coverage. And you also
saw Henry to wato A step on up massively last season,
earned himself more playing time, and by the season's end
he was really kind of taken over that role with
the green dot like as he's Alshaier. The suspension definitely

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hurt his case, but al Shaier is not losing his
starting job. Henry Toatoa I think earned the respect to
work with the first team defense going into twenty twenty
five and then position number three, if there's any value
to me, move him and you can get something in return,
whether it be like depth for your defensive line, how
do you feel about the rest of your linebacker position,
Whether it be maybe you're moving Alan the safety that

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you drafted from Penn State and you're putting a little
bit more meat on him and he's not going to
play your moneybacker role, or you have a Jamal Hill
that's stepping on up. Or Nick Needham who has been
a special teams star for a while with Los Angeles
and then he was without Baltimore for a little bit,
If there's value to move him to get something in
return that will better your team going into a contract year,

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it ends up maybe benefiting you, because that's what they
did with Kenyan Green. Give it up an extra pick,
the lance CJ. Garner Johnson better their secondary.

Speaker 4 (02:10:37):
So those are three.

Speaker 5 (02:10:38):
Reasons why I look right now as Christian Harris. I
want him to be there. Like Banmograd, why would I
not want to see an Alabama player stutting it out
for the Houston Texans. But I also know at this
point I can't keep going with the projection of what
can he be?

Speaker 4 (02:10:53):
What can he be?

Speaker 5 (02:10:54):
At some point it's just, dude, I gotta see you
on the field. And if you can't get on the field,
and e J. Speed's making the plays, and Al Shaer
is making the place, and to a Toe is making
the place, and Hansen is stepping forward and Jamal Hill's
looking better, you kind of trickle yourself out of the
conversation of even being valuable on special teams at this point.

Speaker 4 (02:11:11):
Well, to me, it's not his job. Yeah, he's got
to go earn it. I mean, I don't care what
he did right now. I could. I saw a potential
and I know what kind of player he can be,
But it's no good to be grabbing Gator Aiden street clothes.
I mean, it's a bummer. And then but I'm not
I don't he doesn't get the Waltz back into his

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starting job. Tote is a good football player, Yeah, you
have a lot. And that may be a good thing
for Christian Harris to be able to say, you know what,
I've got to get back out there and grind. And
you know, he comes from a place that we know
what they do at Alabama. But that doesn't matter. Two
years ago, doesn't matter. You got to be on the field.
You got compt because they if they obviously have sent
the message that we are loading up with depth and

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you're gonna have to come earn it now. A lot
of these times, if it's not a training camp right now,
move bodies, then you're gonna stick with him. But the
truth is, doesn't he have to go out and earn
this job and play really good football. I got to
see him on the field and stand on the side
in street closer or not practicing, and it's a bummer.

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But I don't think you know, people, Oh, why is
this guy got to compete? He gets You can't lose
your job because of an injury. You're a ass. You
can damn well lose your job being hurt. I'm not
giving any It's happened a million times. Asked Trent Green
how that felt with Kurt Warner. The list goes on
and off. I say, Jimmy Garoppolo, it happens all the time,
and it happens all the time. So you've got to
come back and earn the job. And you know what,

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there's nothing wrong with that, and that's okay. So Christian
Harris a healthy Christianaires gives you a lot more bandwidth.
Competitive Christian hairs gives you a ton of bandwidth. And
if you don't keep Christian hair, so you move him
in ought to tell you exactly what they think that
we've got players that we trust that will be on
the field more. This is an important year for him,

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very important money wise, play wise respect wise, and quite frankly,
it's an important year to see how he contributes to
this football team on this defense this year. I could
care less about two years ago. Guy's a good football player,
good talent.

Speaker 5 (02:13:09):
He's got to be on the field, and I don't
want to crap on him at all because of it's
a fact. That's the point is that like from an
athletic standpoint, Sean he may be the best linebacker that
they have, just the way that he plays, his speed,
his pursuit of angles, his ability to add value in coverage,
the ability to turn a play into a force fumble
for a recovery for a touchdown, Like you don't have

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that with dizz Alsha, you don't have that with Handy Toatoa.
But what do you have with those two durability and
continuity And so when I'm looking at building a roster
with fifty three men, and I got to realize, Okay,
I'm gonna get Christian Harris for maybe three games, or
I can keep a Jake Hanson, who probably at best
is a special teamer but maybe a subpackaged linebacker. He's

(02:13:53):
gonna be out there for seventeen games. He's going to
provide some depth for me, and I know that I
will at least have value with him. It's an easy transition. Like, Okay,
we're talking about injuries. The greatest quarterback of all time
in the history of the NFL replaced a really good
quarterback and Drew Bloodsoe because of an injury. It wasn't
because of oh, Bloodsoe sucked. It was because of, Hey,

(02:14:14):
Bloodsoe's out, Tom, your turn to come on up. And
the rest was history, like sometimes happened.

Speaker 4 (02:14:20):
Bledsoe was every bit of good as good a thrower
of the football as as Brady was. Exactly a matter
of fact, quite frankly coming up for sure, a lot
of respect bloods Bledsoe is the best quarterback they got
no pub for a guy who was really frigging good.
Number one over. I'm telling you what the guy could
friggin spin it and a great dude. I I don't

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fall under the trap that some people do that I
don't know, not just Christian Harris. I don't know him anything. No,
I'm the contract that I'm paying you is what I
owe you, and then I owe you an opportunity if
you're on the roster to compete. But to you hell,
the second we started, we're at a time and chat
I'm not saying rush and Harris thinks like this, we're
at the time and with this generation of the way

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we coach him and playing what you can and can't do.
We're at a time when people think a dollar figure
entitles you to more value as a player. High school
kids think this, college kids think this, and so do
some pros. Krishnaire's got to earn the job because you
know what, I see plenty of Pro bowlers one year
and coaches that are good one year. Bobby Slowak was
a coach in waiting to be a head coach after

(02:15:25):
his rookie coordinator year. The next year he could. He
had to find a friend to get him. Mike McDaniel
to get him. I think he's an anima. So and
he was like Oh, this guy's interviewing Fred coaching jobs.
The next year they ran him out. It's the same
as a player. So here's what the Texans owe him
a chance to compete. Other than that, it's on Christian Harris.
It just is. And I don't owe him. I don't

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owe him anything. When it comes, you don't get your
starting job, and I don't care who it is. I
don't listen.

Speaker 6 (02:15:54):
I'll say CJ right now, is he has earned the
starting job.

Speaker 4 (02:15:57):
You're not going to well, you're not going to get it.
He's earned the starting job because Stroud, because he earned
it right exactly. And he hasn't been hurt. Yeah, now listen,
if if your backup's the future Hall of Famer, you
get hurt that Joe Montana got hurt. His back was hurt.
And one of their offensive linemen of a long Super
Bowl told me very simply, you think Joe came back
just because of medical miracles, He said, Joe came back

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because he understood that that he sped the rehab, but
because he knew the guy behind him is and this is,
at that point in time, the greatest quarterback ever until
Brady came along. And it's the same thing here. Listen,
you leave your glove out. Well, do you think Jimmy
Garoppolo after going to a Super Bowl thought that a
seventh round picked the last pick of the draft. I
think he was seventh round, but he was a ladless
irrelevant would come in and beat him out, just like that.

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And Trey Lance. But basically Trey Lance is a journeyman
and he was a big time pick, top five or
top ten minutes right, and that he remember, Zach Wilson
is going to be Trey Lance. Who think about that
quarterback class? Awful? Awful? So with that in mind, you
can and Christian Harris probably has to approach this like
he went back as a freshman at Alabama and go

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do your thing.

Speaker 5 (02:17:04):
I think the one thing that you brought up in
is very prevalent. I don't care if you're a first
round pick. I don't care if you're a seventh round pick.
If you were the better player you're on the field.
I'm not coaching your money, I'm coaching your Now. Do
guys get a haul pass to their first round picks?
We more patiently than the coarse we are.

Speaker 4 (02:17:18):
But because you picked them there and you want to
validate cover your own ass as a scout saying I'm
a general manager. I draft this guy. We got to
give them a chance. But I can tell you this
as a coach, I could care less how much money
you make, and I'm not coaching your wallet. What I'm
doing is coaching. Do you make my team better? And
if you don't, somebody else will play in your position.
It's pretty simple. I'm not in the field good business.

(02:17:38):
I'm not in the buddy buddy business. I'll be a
good respect and we'll hopefully forge relationships, but when it
comes to Sunday, if you're a detriment to my team
as opposed to an enhancement, you're not playing. And I
don't really care who you are, who your parents are,
and if you're in high school and your dad gives
a half a million dollars to the Booster Club, screw
your dad. If you're not the player, I don't care
because that Booster Club money ain't coming to me. And

(02:17:59):
if you're a player, I don't I don't care how
much your mom bitches. I don't care about how many
scholarship offers you got, and I don't care if you
made ten million dollars, if the guy behind you is
better and consistently betteristently, and then you're You're not You're
unless the coach fires me because I won't play you
because you're getting paid. You're not playing simple. You will
earn it at any position, and if you don't, then

(02:18:19):
I will move on from you, and I'm sure somebody
else can take you on.

Speaker 5 (02:18:22):
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety. Let's
put a pen in this when we come back. I
want to hear Seanie, who is the player you're most
excited to see? Anthony, I see you on the phone lines.
We'll talk to you about what you want to know
about the Texans, but honestly, who is the player that
you need to see it from this year in training
camp to actually decide if you're in or out of
them long term.

Speaker 6 (02:18:41):
We'll discuss that, we'll discuss more.

Speaker 5 (02:18:43):
We'll get back to Astro's trade deadline talk before we
close out the show right here on The Seawan Salisbury
Show Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (02:18:51):
The Sean Salisbury Show continues.

Speaker 5 (02:18:54):
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety. If
you want to shime on in on Texans Talk, Anthony
and deer Park, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (02:19:00):
My man. Hey, good morning guys.

Speaker 7 (02:19:03):
Hey, So, I think the thing that's the most exciting
for me as a Texans fan is Demiko O.

Speaker 4 (02:19:09):
Ryans.

Speaker 7 (02:19:10):
And the reason I say that is because the unfortunate
reality of professional sports is players come and go. But
I think what's being built here by Demico Ryans culture
and identity wise, is something that can last for many,
many years, and players want to come play in Houston now.
And to me, I would go as far to say,

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is hiring Demico Ryans is one of, if not the
best thing that's ever happened to this franchise.

Speaker 5 (02:19:37):
I want to push back on that. I think that
you're in a good spot when you say that. What
I will say is is that you come to a
point of you gotta get over the hump. And yeah,
you got twenty wins in the last two years, which
is great, and you have two playoff wins, but we're
seeing the same results that we saw with Bill O'Ryan,
Gary Kubiak. Give them more time because of again, naturally
it's only two years, and you can't be complaining after

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what we saw with David Caulli, Era and the Hops.

Speaker 6 (02:20:00):
Give be to jump a quick cup of coffee. That
was lovely Smith.

Speaker 5 (02:20:02):
But I still need to see a little bit more
this year before I say it was the greatest thing
to happen to the franchise or one of the greatest
things to happen to the franchise.

Speaker 4 (02:20:11):
Well, it's the franchise hasn't been around that long. Yeah,
And they've had Kubiak had moments, a lot of them.
And Bill O'Brien had moments as a football coach, not
a personnal guys football coach had moments, but and he
knew it and was a little bit abrasive and power hungry.
But new X's and O's dimigo. Ryan's on the right path.

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But you do do this three or four times in
a row and you only get to one, then people
are going to say, well, how come we can't get
over the hump? So he is an important year for
him too. But there is no doubt the class, the energy.
He's not letting things fester. If you don't like something,
you get it fixed. Now. I don't think he's worried
about crowd opinion, which is a head coach if you're
worried about what we think or what Twitter thinks, for

(02:20:53):
what social media thinks you're not gonna be a head
coach for long. I think he's in the right direction,
and I think the players respect him, which is far
more than liking him. But I think he's easy to
like as well. But winning and getting to the next
level with the players they have is going to be
the next step for him. But yes, this was a
great hire and the right hire and one of the
best hires that offseason that the NFL had.

Speaker 5 (02:21:14):
I think that was really funny though, And Sean, you
can kind of push back at this if you want,
But when people talk about winning the press conference, winning
the locker room, and the second you touch down, everything
is just happy honky dory, and you look at like
Dan Campbell being a perfect sample fumbled over words, wasn't.

Speaker 4 (02:21:31):
Able to kind of get his message across.

Speaker 5 (02:21:33):
People made fun of him for talking about biting knee
caps and talking about we play a certain brand of
football rough and you're tough of it, and I played
for a lackluster zero to sixteen roster, and people relentlessly
made fun of him. They clipped every single quote they
could find. And he's probably at this point one of
the most well liked and most respected coaches in the NFC.
Nick Sirianni is another one. He got hired by Philadelphia.

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He had a terrible press conference. People relentlessly could not
wait to talk about how he seemed tense, he seemed timid,
He was never going to earn the respect to the
locker room.

Speaker 6 (02:22:06):
He's been in two Super Bowls.

Speaker 5 (02:22:08):
I mean, I want a coach that is absolutely going
to earn the respect of the players. People want to
play for you and get the results on the field.
Then somebody who is going to say the right words
into a microphone on a Saturday afternoon, big walking into
a franchise.

Speaker 4 (02:22:21):
It's nice to have somebody polish, But I could care
less about winning. Sometimes we look at him like Liam Cohen. Yeah,
I could look at his press conference. He looked like
a dork, not even press when he was there and said, yeah,
it look but he's a really good play caller. Now
we'll go find out if that translates to being a
good head coach and play caller. If that's you know,
when he that responsibility or that accountability that goes with that.

(02:22:44):
I could care less about one of the press conferences.
I care if the players buy and now the initial one.
We think that we got to win the fans over
with the initial press conference of the media. You don't
know eventually, over the course of time, it happens. What
you have to do is you actually have to You
have to win the players over and get buying from them.
And buy in from them comes with authenticity and with
transparency and honesty. When you're dealing with the player, they

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don't care about the rest of If you're just honest
with them, they'll take it and then they'll they'll adjust
to it. So press conference some are more polish. I
could care less. Detroit was as good a team as
we had in the regular season last year and unfortunately
came up short for them in the playoffs. And Nick
Cian he's been to two super Bowls and what three years?
Four years now? Pretty impressive, even though he arguing with

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fans and the rest of it, but he has buying
and he's getting the most out of his team and
they're loaded.

Speaker 6 (02:23:31):
Do you know what, fans are going to care more
about the wins?

Speaker 4 (02:23:34):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (02:23:34):
The best way to say employed is winning. You do that,
it doesn't matter what you look like.

Speaker 4 (02:23:38):
In a press well, it's the only way to stay
employed in the coach you have to win, and he
got to win big ones too, just be I mean,
Marvin Lewis won a lot of games for a long
time in Cincinnati, but didn't win a playoff game. He
was delaying the inevitable for decades. And if you win,
a great defensive coordinator, great coach. People love him and
he's a really good coach. The problem is they could
never get over the hump. And what happened after fourteen fifteen,

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six years of being in the playoffs but never winning,
he got fired and Marvin's was a good coach. Happens
all the time. You gotta win or eventually you're no
longer the star. The shine starts to dem and Demiko
Ryans knows he's won, but the division titles not enough
moving forward because they've got good players.

Speaker 6 (02:24:17):
You have him into an AFC championship game.

Speaker 5 (02:24:19):
And that led to the bultimate dismissal of Gary Kubiak,
led to the ultimate dismissal of Bill O'Brien. It could
happen for to Meka Ryan's again. Twenty wins in two years.
Nobody's complaining about that. One seven, one, three, ninety.

Speaker 4 (02:24:31):
Larry, what's going on my man, what's going on?

Speaker 8 (02:24:35):
Cole Sean.

Speaker 4 (02:24:36):
It's it's Friday, so y'all know it's football.

Speaker 6 (02:24:38):
Time in the h H.

Speaker 4 (02:24:40):
Cole, I'm gonna push back a little bit on you.

Speaker 8 (02:24:42):
Demiico Ryans is the greatest hire in Texans history, man,
because at the time that this franchise was floundering, it
was about to go off the cliff, and it was
only a certain type of dude that you could bring
in to the eighths to make sure that they write
the ship on this thing. And Demiko Ryan being in
all time favorite Texan and a damn good football player

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when he was a Texans and a damn good football
coach when he went through the chain of being a
quality control to an assistant to a defensive coordinator. It
was a perfect high and I think he is the
best coach in the history of the franchise in his
first three years for what he did and how he
brought this franchise back. Now having said that, yeah, you're
absolutely right that it's about winning and it's gonna be winning,

(02:25:25):
but when you have to win, you got to bring
the right kind of combination of players in here. And
I think them boards on Kirby have done exactly that
when they went got c. J. Stroud and Will Anderson
and Derek Stingley and all these other boys. And so
now as you put this program together, you're getting the
kind of buy in that you want from the players

(02:25:45):
over there, because you ain't hearing the people out of
nothing over there except for them boys are putting in
work to go ahead and get this city a super
Bowl that they have never had in this city. So
as far as the Texans goes, we as a fan
base are excited at exactly about what Demko is gonna
do with the staff he has over there, with the
administration they have over there, and with all the energy

(02:26:06):
that's going on over there, with letting this team know
that this is not acceptable about not winning and that's
why they win. And loaded up on the type of
players like CJ. Gardner Johnson and if I'm a fan
and somebody, and I know people may not be excited
about it, but I go and kick the tithe on
old Christian Walker that got or Wilkins that got released
by the Raiders, because you can never have enough players

(02:26:28):
on your football team when you try to win a championship.
That's exactly why Nick as Ariane and Philadelphia has gone
and won two Super Bowls because Harvey up there understands,
bring them in. Unlet's win now, haven't said that. It's
a it's a journey. And as a fan and as
somebody that's watched this team from two thousand and two
till a day, I'm ready to ride on their journey

(02:26:50):
because when that parade hits in a town, your boy
gonna light up a whole bunch of sticks and drink
a whole bunch of yeck because there's gonna be a
celebration like no other.

Speaker 4 (02:27:00):
That's the answer we need you right now.

Speaker 8 (02:27:01):
Yeah, yes, sir coach, it's coming. Just be Patrick, because
sometimes it takes a little time to get everything in
place to line up exactly right now. Until the Astros
line up a real baseball team instead of that Triple
A franchise they got going out there every night, I'm
not gonna be too concerned about the Mastros because we
in the right position once we get all our dogs back.

Speaker 4 (02:27:21):
Sean, you know how we do.

Speaker 9 (02:27:22):
Man.

Speaker 8 (02:27:22):
Look, it's one of those fine things in life, man,
that you could be passionate about a lot of things.
And you said something earlier, Man, that everybody need to
be reminded of. You need your offensive line to be
out there going ready to get sent to the locker
room before the half because they kick somebody ass. That's
what your boy Denny Green preached, That's what Tom Landry preached,
and that's what all them good coaches preaches. And we

(02:27:44):
think we got the right offensive line over there since
we got rid of tussa big ass in our hall, Larry.

Speaker 4 (02:27:50):
I appreciate the phone call. That is. That is why
we do the show.

Speaker 5 (02:27:54):
We do it for people like Larry, who's gonna give
us the juice to go ahead and finish these last
thirty minutes. I agree with them. Let Larry, I'm just
going to say real fast. I didn't say that he
wasn't the greatest coach ever. I said the greatest thing
to happen to the Texans, because right now, until I
see him in the Hall of Fame or a Lombardi Trophy,
come on down, the greatest thing to happen to the
Texans was drafting Andre Johnson to set the tone of
this franchise and then defensively landing a guy in JJ

(02:28:16):
Watt who in year two won Defensive Player of the Year,
took him two more Defensive Player of the Year awards,
and at his peak was arguably the greatest defensive player
in NFL history. I don't think I'm not wrong to say, Sean,
especially when it comes to is that three year window?

Speaker 4 (02:28:30):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have an argument. You just
named the best offensive, best defensive player in the history.
But that's gonna shift if this continues to go, and
the guy that wears number seven under center is going
to end up taking that if he continues to elevate
like we expect, and the fact that he's a quarterback,
but and taking it away from two Hall of famers.
And once they've posted their score, they they get to
win the Major at Augusta. So I'm with him oneven nine.

Speaker 5 (02:28:54):
I want to get Sean's opinion on this. Larry brought
this up a former All pro recently, really least from
the Las Vegas Raiders. What should the Texans do if
his agent makes a phone call and says, hey, you
want Christian Wilkinson in your defensive line. We'll talk about
that on the Seawan Salisbury Show next.

Speaker 4 (02:29:11):
And we're factor for the Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 5 (02:29:14):
Continued at least yesterday, one year into a five year
or one hundred and ten million dollar contract with the
Las Vegas Raiders. According to reports, the team want him
to go undergo another surgery for his foot after dealing
with a stress fracture last year. He declined they thought
that it was too big of a move for them
to hold on to, So they're going to pay the
fifty six million dollars of his current fully guaranteed contract.

(02:29:37):
Going to be a free agent, he's expected to start
meeting with teams. So Sean, let me ask you, this
is a guy that just two years ago when he
was in Miami, coming off of a career year because
of that, got paid by Las Vegas. Is a good
interior defensive line pass rusher. In this defense, you can
never have too many pass rushers, especially on the interior.
If Nick Cassiro gets a phone call from his agent says,

(02:29:59):
hey and we go work out with you guys.

Speaker 4 (02:30:01):
Are you bringing them in for a workout, Well, yeah,
I'd bring him in for workout, But I also got
to know now I hear you, hear reports on both
one that he's a stand up guy and a good guy. Yeah, uh,
And he's obviously a good player. He wouldn't got paid
that much, but for a team to pay out and
for some reason, I thought that there was thirty some
million they're not giving him and that he's going to

(02:30:22):
that that there may be he may go after that
as well. I don't. I mean, guaranteed is guarantee. We've
we've had that argument. You've heard Mike Brown talk about
the owner of the Bengals that he didn't want to
pay guaranteed money to certain players, you know, the Stewart,
the rookie, certain money because the agent want guaranteed money
because what if, what ifs if this happens, Why should
I be paying money to a guy that isn't playing

(02:30:43):
for me? If if if if that's the case.

Speaker 5 (02:30:45):
So they avoided the thirty two point five million guaranteed
left hands contract starting on shoot for there you go.

Speaker 4 (02:30:50):
So there, there's going to be an NFLPA is going
to take them to task. I'm just telling you because
it's the it's the guaranteed word. Now, I also understand
that this comes down to didn't they want him to
have surgery? Yeah, they want to have a say, and
he said no, is that correct? He wasn't willing to. Well,
I do know this. If your bosses tell you in

(02:31:10):
order to play that you probably the doctors say you
need surgery and you're not willing to do it, then
then and now, then I may have a little bit
of an issue. Now you go and get second third opinion. Sam,
I'm able to play. But if you're able to play
and you don't want to have surgery, then then you're playing.
So I think that, but we're not there, so I
don't know the you know, the the argument that they're

(02:31:31):
having or the decision. But it takes a lot to
cut a guy that you've got to pay a lot
of money to that you did did you just paid
a year or two that you signed for five years?
He comes highly regarded as a football player. Yeah, So
first off, if you're Nick Cassaria, which they would and
and and uh Dmiico runs, I'm doing my due diligence
on Okay, why that's I always want to know the why.

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And then if the why, if you can't get a
straight answer either way, if it's like, well that's why,
of course I'm gonna bring if it does it help
my team and does it not disrupt my locker room. Yeah,
and if if I can answer yes to both, of
course you want to work it out now it would
being cut. It's a whole new deal. You're gonna have
to negotiate, which is fine for them. He's gonna get

(02:32:16):
paid either way, one way or the other. Yeah, with
a player, the ad depth that good, But I got
to know the deep seated reasons. If he's a is
the headache bigger than the talent, and if the headache
or the will the want to is not bigger than
the talent, then I'm then I'm hell, yes, I'm interested.

Speaker 5 (02:32:34):
Texans right now have fourteen point seven million dollars in caps,
in available caps.

Speaker 4 (02:32:37):
I can always and you can.

Speaker 5 (02:32:39):
Move some stuff around naturally if you want to get
this steal done. The other thing is that let's say
he does win his appeal case and he gets the
extra thirty two point five million dollars, He's getting eighty
four point seventy five million dollars.

Speaker 4 (02:32:49):
You're gonna pay you after you'd offer to pay a
minimum salary.

Speaker 6 (02:32:51):
With seventeen tackles, two sacks, six quarterback hits.

Speaker 5 (02:32:54):
He's getting paid eighty four million dollars just for that
loan season.

Speaker 4 (02:32:58):
Yeah, well then then there's got to be that Well, dude,
you're making your money. You want to come here and
prove yourself again, here's your minimum plus something, or will
guarantee a one year contract. It's it's a show me deal.

Speaker 5 (02:33:09):
And that's why I put That's where I put the
flyer in is, Hey, we'll give you a one year,
nine million dollars, fully guaranteed deal. Proven to us at
this point that you can do it. Maybe we'll negotiate
next off season we have more salary counts.

Speaker 4 (02:33:20):
I have no problem doing that. Like I said, if
the Raiders have had plenty of their issues in the
sure so I got to do my due dealings on
both sides. I got to know the whyse Once I
know the whise, and if the wise fit my in
the slot of he'll help our team. The headaches not
bigger than the talent. The talent's bigger than the headache.

(02:33:42):
You bring them in and see how it fits, and
you go because in truth, if the if that's the case,
you may be getting for an inexpensive price. You have
to pay a hell of a football player if he's
right in his mind's right. But I got to know
those two things. Does he help my team and make
it better? And is the talent bigger than the headache
or vice for and if the town's bigger than the
headache of damn right, I want to take him, especially

(02:34:03):
since I'm not gonna have to pay him a hundred
million dollars.

Speaker 5 (02:34:05):
We'll also keep in mind this is a guy that
just a year ago before he was in Las Vegas
nine sacks. This is a team that last year posted
a career I mean, a franchise leading forty six sacks.
Will Anderson's going to get better. Daniel Hunter's paid up,
locked in for the long term, He's going to get better.
You have a certain brand of defensive tackle that you

(02:34:27):
like if you're Demiko Ryans, which is pass rushing first
run defense. Second, you trust your linebackers to be in
the right space so where they'll only give up maybe
a yard or two at the line of scrimmage, and
then you go ahead and force them to live in
third and long. If I'm adding in a Christian Wilkins
on a one year, ten million dollar deal, I'll go
ten million, fully guaranteed, because if I understand what the
pedigree is, who he is as a player what he

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is proven in years past.

Speaker 6 (02:34:49):
But it's fully guaranteed.

Speaker 5 (02:34:50):
It's a bargain because Sean, if he ends up living
up to the expectations of what we're used to seeing
with him when he was in Miami, when he was
at his peak as a pass rushing space on the interior.
I mean, listen, I understand that you want to have
your edge rushers, but if you have a tremendous run
stopper who can play the three tech, that also gives
you an expanded role in the passplot I mean the

(02:35:10):
pass rushing technique, it makes your team that much more valuable.
But the passing price got to be there. If he's like,
I want a one year, seventeen point five million dollar contract,
you got to get third, second, fourth, fifth, six opinions
on your foot. That way, I am guaranteed I'm not
losing money. But if you're saying nine million dollars one year,
proven that I'm still got it and I still got
it and that the foot wasn't an issue, I sign

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you tomorrow. If he's honeyed to see it work out.

Speaker 4 (02:35:34):
If he's healthy and his head's in it, and you
get the answers you need he can end up being
your best interior defensive player. He's got that ability, is
what I'm saying. Now, does he make it rotation better?
I mean he's he's got You don't get paid that
kind of money and just be an average player. Yeah,
you know, unless it's family that's paying you in a
hand me down, that's not the case. But it's all

(02:35:55):
got to be right. But he's put it this way.
If he is that guy, you're still going to get
him at an inexpensive price based on his skill set. But
I don't know where he is, or how much, or
if he'd say let's go get it. But I'm not
just giving money away. He's got to enhance my roster,
simple and if he does, I'm.

Speaker 5 (02:36:09):
Interested seven one, three, two, five, seven ninety call on
in what he's your thought on the Texans potentially going
after a Christian Wilkins take a quick time out when
we come back. I'm not going to be here with
Shawn next week when we see the trade deadline happen,
So I just want his opinion. Thursday rolls around five o'clock.
Who is the one player that you need to see
on the ass shows for the rest of the twenty
twenty five season. We'll talk about that more and close

(02:36:31):
out the Shawn Salisbury Show right here on Sports Sucks
seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (02:36:35):
Who's Who's Shaw?

Speaker 9 (02:36:36):
Sean?

Speaker 7 (02:36:37):
He's the wise, eternal judge who sits on high He
has the final say on all disputes.

Speaker 2 (02:36:42):
Back to the Sean Salisbury Show on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 5 (02:36:47):
I will not be with you next week, so I
gotta get your opinion. Dana Brown gets one phone call
to make. He's adding in a player. It could be
anybody in the majors, bat pitching, long term reliever, starter,
whoever it is. Thursday rolls around five o'clock. Who is
the name that you want to see in a national's
uniform for the rest of the.

Speaker 4 (02:37:04):
Season, said any player? Any player? Tawny, Okay, fair enough,
any you said any player. Now I get a pitcher
and a hitter, and I get a guy who could
be the best at both.

Speaker 5 (02:37:14):
You're taking away literally every piece of your farm system
and probably a lot of.

Speaker 4 (02:37:18):
Your He's probably better than eight people. But and and
I would make that matter of fact, we wouldn't even
be playing Sugarland Baseball anymore. I'd trade everybody. I would
just I would trade the rights of the entire team. Yeah,
you can have, you can own it. I would pitching,
I just think is gonna be hard to come by
the guy you want, whoever it might be. So now

(02:37:41):
I know this is crazy. I don't know. Can you
get Zach Gallon.

Speaker 5 (02:37:45):
I'm gonna push back a little bit because I agree
with you. Zach Gallan I think is getting moved.

Speaker 4 (02:37:49):
I'd rather I'd rather Meryl Kelly. There there's there's you
can go to. I mean what Ceas and Samue. There's
talk about him moving him out of sand because he
wants a contra extend. So if I could get one
of those dominant guys, now I'm not even this is
if I'm regardless of what I got to give up. Yeah,
and I know one of them. I'm going to tell
you right now it's obviously we're not getting O Tawny

(02:38:10):
or anybody like that. For my money and the energy
and his versatility. I'd love to have Jared Duran because
I know what I would and I know he hasn't
had his best season, but I know what he brings.
I just know his energy and he's a good player,
and I think he'd feel like he has something to
prove for right now, considering the situation and not knowing

(02:38:33):
how long you said, I got a wish that's not
out of control. Yep, I'll take the third basement in Arizona, Sarez.
I damn right. He's not a left handed power back,
but he fills and eat at third base, allows me
to be versatile, and he will destroy the Crawford boxes.

Speaker 6 (02:38:48):
He will, absolutely, they'll be out of the pulp.

Speaker 4 (02:38:51):
I'll take care. I'll take over the trend Jimmy power.
And I understand it's not left handed from the left side,
but it is from the right side, and he provides
a lot of it.

Speaker 7 (02:39:00):
Me him.

Speaker 5 (02:39:01):
I must stay with you, I must stay in the
same city. But you already mentioned his name. I want
Meryl Kelly. I want Meryll Kelly.

Speaker 4 (02:39:07):
I thank him.

Speaker 5 (02:39:08):
I think that at the end of the day, you
needing another picture, somebody that you can trust going into
the playoffs with experience. And remember just a few years
ago he was in the World Series and he was
one of the stars for that Diamondbacks team in the
NLCS that got over the hump against the Dodgers that
punched their ticket to the Fall Classic.

Speaker 4 (02:39:26):
So I'm getting that dude.

Speaker 5 (02:39:28):
Now I'm pairing them up with two guys at the
very front end frombur and Hunter. On top of that,
I'm getting back of Spencer Agedy. I'm gonna get also
back potentially Christian Xavier in sunk capacity. That is a
five man rotation or even a four man rotation I
can trust and I don't think the ask price is
going to be too high, mostly because he's going.

Speaker 4 (02:39:47):
Into an expiring contract. You're gonna know how the front
of office feels about what they trust more next week,
because if it's a pitcher, they think, and who's getting
healthy or quicker, then they all assume that your everyday
players getting healthy. If all the these pictures that are
in their reab assignment are sket set to come back
sooner than later and they don't get a picture, you'll
have a pretty good idea.

Speaker 6 (02:40:07):
Why it's Sewn Salisbury show right here on.

Speaker 4 (02:40:09):
Spaces for showing up today, man, I appreciate it. Hey
time you Namis give me a holery.

Speaker 5 (02:40:12):
Especially thanks Triple E on the ones and twos for
Sean for Coal, for all of us, the Matt Thomas
Show with Ross coming up next.

Speaker 6 (02:40:18):
We will see you on Monday at six am.

Speaker 8 (02:40:21):
Pace now