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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Salsbury.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh very susy, Okay, let's do this.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Sewn Salisbury to usc Troup, longtime friend, Shawn Salisbury.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Dan matthewscuse, this is the Sewn Salsbury Show. Six to
nothing the Astros with four games remaining, now a game
behind Detroit for the final wildcat spot in the American League.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
You never want to hit this funk this day in
the season when games matter so much, So we have
to show up tomorrow and we gotta go out there
and and and get the win no matter what. So
that's his type of game set and Tallia tomorrow and
every single day from now on.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
We're starting to mark.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
Oh no, the season comes down to fromber Valdez on
the mountain tonight and with that we say away we go.
Good morning here Shawn Salisbury show, Sports Talk seven to ninety.
As the Stros last night lose six nothing to the
A's and the postseason hopes, as we mentioned on our
seven ninety Twitter account, dwindling by the moment, a game
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back of the Detroit Tigers now for the final wildcard spot.
Red Sox beat the Blue Jays, so it's pretty much
now just down to that final spot. If the Astros
are able to get in, then they would face the
whoever the three seed is, which I believe would be Cleveland.
So yeah, that's great a team that's been playing their
best baseball this season right now, and then the Astros
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if you somehow are able to win these final four games,
and more than likely you have to bring back Hunter
Brown to pitch on Sunday, because you would need every
single one of these games now, including today with Fromber
and then tomorrow night, Saturday nights and then Sunday afternoon
they're in Anaheim for a chance. So the task is
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quite herculean here for the Astros. As yet again, I
mean last night, the A's able to get after the
Astros with quality at bats, good production, they out hit
you eight to five. So you got two more hits
than you did the night before. I guess that's nice.
You actually got an extra base hit. Okay, same deal.
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I guess that's nice. But yet again, I mean just
absolute offensive futility. And it's to the point here where
you know, we played the quote right there in our
show open from Carlos Korea, and that's nice, but you're
tired of hearing about funks. You're tired of hearing it.
That's baseball. I mean, you know, I gave you the
Mauricio du Bond quote the other day, and it's like, mo,
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nobody wants to hear that from you, man. Seriously, nobody
wants to hear that. Like people want to hear we're
pissed off. People want to hear we got the guys
in this clubhouse, which, in fairness has been said, but
we got the guys in this clubhouse that should get
this job done, and you're getting none of those things.
So I don't know, I don't I don't know if
it's just a general just being resolved to the fact
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that this team knows that they're out of gas and
fatigued and just you know, don't really feel like that
they can be able to get into the postseason and
do anything of consequence. But this is an incredibly disappointing
finish to this season because you left LA early in
July and you were twenty games above five hundred. You're
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now ten games above five hundred. So do basic math. Ever,
since that series they're in early July, you're ten games
under five hundred. You're basically finishing right now. The way
that you started last season. These seasons are pretty much
the same. It's just polar opposites in terms of how
they started and how they finished. Because last year the
Astros had a good finish. They were down by ten
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games to the Seattle Mariners, and they found a way
to be able to battle back and have a chance
to be able to have an opportunity to you know,
win the AOST and they did that. And then this
year the shoe was on the other foot. They were
the Mariners. This year they were the ones who had
a seven and a half game lead on the Mariners,
and then Seattle, unlike you, went out the deadline, got
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Josh Naylor, got a Haino Suarez and brought up some
of their young guys, and their pitching continued to be
really good, and Julio Rodriguez was Julio Rodriguez, and cal
Raley obviously having a season that he probably will never
have again. But credit to the Mariners. They won this division.
And I don't know if the same thing was being
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said on KJAR or any of the other stations up
there in Seattle last year, but the Mariners won this thing.
And I mean the Astros just down the stretch again
just completely folded and played their worst baseball at the
absolute worst time. And I understand injuries, I understand all
of that, but yet again last night, let's let's just
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do a quick exercise here of going through the box score.
Jose Al tuve Wed think he's pretty good, right Well,
he gets a bloop single late in the game, but
one for three out of him hitting two sixty three
with the seven sixty seven ops this year, is that good?
Not by his standards? He sucked, peretis. He gets a
hit last night, one for four, two for four night
out of Carlos care up at both singles, one for
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four out of Christian Walker, but again two strikeouts out
of him, and the one hit was the one extra
base hit that you were able to muster last night,
Hayesus Sanchez. I think most of us are pretty much
done with Hazus Sanchez, right. I think we can agree
on that. You heard Ari Alexander in with me yesterday
and all the way back to Monday mentioning that he's
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a non tender candidate, and I probably have to believe
that that's seriously on the table with them, because since
he's come over, he's been nothing I mean, he's been
actually less than nothing for you. You've gotten absolutely nothing out
of him, and last night too, defensively he cost you.
So there's that with him. Jiner Diez having probably the
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worst year that he's had in his young career two
fifty four, and they flashed the graphic up last night
on Space City Home Network of his chase rate highest
chase rate in baseball, which I don't think really surprises
most of us because you see that front foot, one
handed swing that somehow he just hasn't learned yet to
lay off this season, and you see the results out
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of him, zero for three. Jake Myers is pretty much
regressed back to what we expected Jake Myers to be
this season, and I think the calf injury obviously slowed
him down from having the career year that he was having.
But he's still hitting two ninety two with seven to
twenty seven ops. But he goes Ohver three last night,
and then Zach Cole, he's probably run out of gas too,
and you're probably starting to see that major league pitchers
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know how to pitch him. And then Ramonirius, you can't
really expect much out of him offensively, but I mean,
that's the tail of tape with the Astros, and that's
the way that it's been for much of this season.
You're not a team that slugs, you're not a team
that does anything remotely somewhat capable offensively, and your pitching
has been really good. But then even that has started
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to wane a little bit for you. So yeah, I mean,
it can't really surprise you that the Astros are in
this situation. I think a lot of us coming into
this season probably thought a wildcard spot would be a
good spot for this team because well, I mean, Sean
included when we did our preseason predictions picking the Rangers.
Remember opening Day, we had Robert Flores on from MLB
Network the Rangers are gonna win the West. Well, I mean,
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if there is a silver lining to this, well at
least that they they didn't get anywhere close to reaching
the expectations that they thought they had for themselves this season.
But it doesn't really comfort any of us because where
you heard what Jim Crane said a few years ago.
As long as I'm here, the window will remain open.
And that's gonna be the interesting thing here because I
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understand that twenty twenty five is not done yet, but
I think most of us mentally are done with the
twenty twenty five season, like I think most of us
are just saying, regardless of when it ends, just end
and let us start looking forward to twenty six and
seeing how this team looks. And I saw a tweet
from Rossville Rial last night that I never honestly thought
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that i'd see from him, but it makes a lot
of sense. With the way that this season has gone.
Now you have to wonder if, indeed some conversations are
going to be had this offseason and if not blowing
this thing up. Can't remember exactly how he wrote it,
I'll have to go back and look at it. But
there's gonna be some significant changes in this organization, and
I think that you're going to see it both with
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personnel on the field, but I think you're also going
to see it organizationally too. And I'm not talking about
Joe and Dana. I think they're safe, but you're going
to look at your coaching staff. But even before that,
you're going to look at your medical and strength and
conditioning staff. Absolutely you are, because I think that Jim
Crane comes out of this season after last year and
what should have been egg on their face enough with
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the Kyle Tucker injury situation and how that was handled
and how he was brought back and how it was
initially misdiagnosed, and then you did the same exact thing
again this year with Jordan Alvarez. Honestly, I think if
I'm an Astros fan, which I am and most of
us are, that I want to see that press release
come out this offseason. Wholesale changes have been made to
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the Astros medical and strength and conditioning staff wholesale, and
I think that's one too where you maybe even have
to have Jim Crane at a podium talking and saying
why they made these decisions and why they've moved on
and why they have reorganized this baseball club, because what
you're doing right now is a path to significant regression
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to where then you are forced to do what you
had to do to build this thing back up to
get it going in twenty fifteen when you made the
postseason for the first time in over ten years. So
when you try to hold onto the past, we saw that.
I mean, I think that probably if nothing else, we
saw the Astros for the longest time after they made
the World Series in two thousand and five that they
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they tried to recapture that, and they tried to reclaim
that as much as possible, and six never got off
the ground. O. Seven was pretty much an abject disaster.
And then eight nine, ten, that really was when you
started to see, yeah, this thing isn't what it used
to be. But you know, we still got Lance Berkman here,
we still got Hunter Pence, we still got roy Oswaltz,
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you know, and yeah, the farm system's not great, all
of those different types of things. And then it was
finally right when Jim Cranon took over his owner, that
it was we got to blow this thing up and
trade these guys away. And yeah, it's gonna hurt in
the immediate I mean, you're not gonna see competitive baseball
for some time, but eventually, if you try to hold
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that off as much as possible, it'll find you. And
I don't know if we're to that point just yet
with the Stros, but it's starting to make you wonder
a little bit if indeed that is the case. I mean,
seeing that the run is over, well, I mean it's
looking like, yeah, the postseason run is gonna be over
I mean that sucks, but you still have players in
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this organization and a good enough core where I think
probably if you do some significant retooling. And I don't know,
I mean, is that a trader two of guys that
maybe you wish that you would not trade away to
take a step back for a year or two, to
try to build up the farm system again and get
some reinforcements there yet again and be able to build
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up your depth within the organization to have a chance again. Sure,
maybe that's a chance. I don't know, but we'll just
have to wait and see. All Right, we'll continue to
talk to the astros if you want to, if you
want to get in on the conversation seven one three
two one two five seven ninety against seven one three
two one two five seven ninety as, so we'll go.
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I'll get Sean involved two as he's back from Hawaii.
So we got all of that. Says, we're just getting
going here on a Thursday edition of The Sewn Salisbury
Show Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Let's go on.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show. Three two one two
five seven ninety is the number two. Get in and uh,
you know last night too, just saw that Ari Alexander,
I guess was watching the A's broadcast a little bit,
and apparently Dallas Braden, who is on the A's broadcast
used to pitch for them, said that the Astros were,
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quote frankly, a lifeless ball club. So that's a good
It's not around this club every single day season enough, obviously,
with as much as you play the A's and divisional play.
But if that's somebody who at least from a peripheral
vision can see this from you, well then of course,
I mean we know what we're looking at too.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
And I mean I threw it out last night. You're
now five games into this losing streak that you have
since going into that Mariners series where you thought, okay, hey,
two out of three here, you feel good about going
into that final week of the season and having a
chance to win the West, and you get swept in
that series and you weren't even necessarily competitive in that series.
And then you carry it over here to Sacramento where
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you score one run on Monday night. Tuesday night, you
get my point, but you score one run in that game,
and you get three hits, all singles, and then until
Christian Walker got that ground rull double yesterday. You had
not had a single extra base hit in this series,
and you'd had very few guys even reached second, much
less even third base for you. So, yeah, this is
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a lifeless ball club right now. And I mean, they
can say what they want. We heard Carlos Korea and
the show open say Game seven mentality, and I think
a lot of us are kind of looking at him
and saying, well, yeah, of course it is. But where's
that mentality been for much of this season? Where's that
been since you started to kind of feel this thing
start to slip away in the middle to late parts
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of July. Like, I think that's kind of the frustration
that a lot of people have, and it's just like, oh,
so now you've got the urgency to try to do this.
But I mean, I'm skeptical, You're skeptical. We're all skeptical
that this thing really does have a chance to turn around.
And well, of course, talk that much more with you
all on the phone lines at seven one three, two,
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one two five seven ninety triple. If you could punch
up Billy please, Billy, good morning here on the Sean
Salisbury Show.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
Hey, good morning, Dan, Well I think we're all feeling
the same way. Uh, it's just, uh, well, I don't
even know what to say about this team. But you know,
that's something that's bothering.
Speaker 9 (14:26):
Me a lot, is the fact that there is.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
No life on the team and there should be some
urgency and I'm not seeing it. And has the team quit?
And uh, I think you just said it. You didn't
say those words, but it does look like this team
has quit. And watching Javier go after a pop up,
which why is a pitcher going after a pop up
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in that first in that first game, and he didn't
look like he didn't even care if he caught it
or not. And it's just every at bat, I'm watching
these guys their faces. There's there's no energy, there's nothing.
They're just lifeless. That's the right word. And when Aria
put that out, I said, that's probably the most accurate
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thing that you can say about this team. And where
does it start? And my question really is, and you
can ask Dana or if somebody can, is there something
going on internally that we don't know about. We just
found out with the Texans that there was problems with
the pull of the player. He was a cancer in
the locker room?
Speaker 9 (15:28):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (15:29):
Is there problems internally? Is somebody causing issues for this
club and they've just given up? Have they quit on Joe?
And is there a problem there? I'm a Joe's bought
a supporter and you know that. But is there problems
where the team has quit on management and they're not
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on the same page and they're just ready for the
season to be over? And twenty twenty six does need
to have serious changes? And does that mean scorched earth,
clear house, clean, clean everybody's offices out and start all
over and Dana gets to put a whole new regime
in place. And that's That's where I'm at right now,
And that may be the best thing for us, but
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I'm not sure. I hope that twenty twenty six brings
something new and better. But unless you get rid of
the problem, whatever that is, we have a cancer. You
cut out the whole cancer, this team's going nowhere and
they might as well blow it up. And that's what
I got. Good morning, guys, all.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Right, I appreciate it, Billy. The last part there, You're
never going to know that, and the only way that
you will know that is maybe next week or the
week after just whenever you get like a Chandler Rome report.
I mean, Chandler would probably be the one that would
have that for being honest. Nothing against Brian McTaggart or
Matt Kalaharaup. But I mean we all go back to
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the Fromber cross up with sasarselves are and wonder if
maybe that was if there was kind of a little
bit of resentment towards Fromber and if indeed there was
a confrontation in the clubhouse and all of those things.
I mean, I know that you know, Stallozar was a
good soldier about handling that situation, and Fromber had his take,
and Dana Brown has and everybody else, but that's never
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going to get out, at least from the club itself. Now,
if there are some you know, unnamed sources that talk
with people like Chandler, well then maybe we do find
stuff like that out. But you don't want that out
there because you don't want to signal to potential free
agents or anybody else that you're trying to add to
this team. Well, am I going to a team that's
still that team? Or am I going to a team
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of dysfunction? Like you don't want any of those things
out there, but it does make you wonder. And I mean,
I'm never going to use the Q word because these
are professionals and it is how they keep their livelihood
and how they keep their careers going. But at least
if nothing else, I mean, Billy, I don't blame you
that thought does creep into your mind because I mean, yeah,
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you have the play on Tuesday night where you're looking
at Christian Walker and I mean Carlos Korea trying to
run over and grab it as best he can on
the pop up on the infield where it's oh, you know,
Walker didn't see it. It's a major league baseball player,
see the baseball.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
See it.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Like it's that simple. See the baseball. I mean, and
I understand that mistakes happen, and I understand that airs happened,
and that's going to be part of the game. But
it's like, no, dude, you're a major league baseball player.
I don't care what the light stanchions are. See the baseball.
Make a play. I mean, that's really that simple. And
I mean, and that's kind of the frustration that we've
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had this year with this team, where I mean, you know,
something like that happens and then afterwards in the clubhouse
you hear, oh, well that's baseball.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
No, your fan base that is used to you making
the postseason, and you created these expectations. You did, as
I mentioned Jim Crane's words, as long as I'm here,
the championship window remains open. And this has been a
club that for the longest time lived a great existence
of We knew that probably it was going to be
nothing less than this team making it as one of
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the final two teams in the American League at the
end of the season in the championship series. So you
created that, and you still got Jose al Tuove here,
you added back Carlos Korea, you didn't have Yordan Alvarez
for much of this season. I understand what all feeds
into it. But at the same time, though, too, the
fan base has a right to be frustrated and annoyed,
and they're not spoiled for feeling this way, not even close.
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You've paid good money. You weighed your entire life to
see this. I say it all the time that there's
a lot of people who've forgotten what it's like to
be an Astros fan. Well, unfortunately, I think we're relearning
what it's like to be an Astros fan, because this
was our existence for the longest time. It was, Hey,
if they make the postseason, oh man, this is awesome.
I better get to the ballpark because I don't know
if I'm going to see this again. And I mean,
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I think that we had the proper reaction to winning
the World Series in seventeen and twenty two, as we should,
because it's the pinnacle of the sport. It's amazing. It's
a great feeling, and you love being the ones that
you can wear your Astros gear around and people say,
oh man, great baseball club. And now all of a sudden,
you're just another team, and that sucks, and it sucks
to kind of, you know, get back to that reality.
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But I mean runs do, and you know, runs do
run their course, and I mean, I think we kind
of had that feeling that it was starting to look
that way after you lost the LCS the Rangers in
twenty three, and last year it played out that way,
but then this year it had promise where you're like,
all right, they've regained that form. They're good and now
ten games under five hundred since you left Dodger Stadium
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in early July, and you find yourself just barely clinging
to a wildcard spot at the moment, which, again, as
I mentioned, the tiebreakers go to Detroit, they go to Cleveland,
and they go to Boston. You're not catching Boston at
this point. You got four games left there, essentially two
and a half games up on you. Now for the wildcard,
they would have to completely get swept, which would not
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be good for you because they're playing against Detroit this weekend.
So if nothing else, you kind of wouldn't mind Boston
still thinking that they're fighting for this thing and being
as competitive as possible this weekend against the Tigers, which
for the way that we're feeling here, I'm sure it's
probably the same way in Detroit, even though they've got
the tie breaker over you too. Everybody has a tie
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breaker over the Astros now. So the only way you're
getting in is you have to win out. There is
no other opportunity, there is no other path to making
the postseason. You have to win out. You have to
win the day, you have to win tomorrow, you have
to win Saturday, and you have to win Sunday. And
the Astros just really look like that is not going
to be an attainable goal for them. Wan in Mott Bellevue,
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see you right there. You want to join us seven
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Speaker 6 (23:38):
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to weigh in one good morning.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
Good morning, gentlemen, same time, same place. Unfortunately, same doom
and gloom for the Astros. So I have a take,
and I think I might have gone over it a
little bit, But I don't think Joe A.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
Spotta has control of the clubhouse.
Speaker 11 (24:06):
I think there's a lack of respect there and that
was another reason why Carlo Squere.
Speaker 12 (24:09):
Was brought back to be a quote unquote leader. Leadership
doesn't start with the teammates. Leadership doesn't start with the players.
Leaders starts on the top. There's a different aura around
the team whenever Dusty was in charge. And there's reasons
why other teams didn't take Joe Spotta whenever he was
being interviewed for other jobs. I feel like coaching needs
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to be looked at, especially.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
A Spata and our hitting coach.
Speaker 11 (24:36):
Why can't we bring back Michael Brandley let him be
the hitting coach.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
I'll shut up in this thanks guys.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
All right, Like, well, and I'm not saying this about you,
but like the Michael Brantley thing like number one, what
even makes you believe that he wants to do it?
And I mean until there is a job open, I
mean it's kind of a non discussion, but I mean
the guy retired and is living in West Palm Beach
because he said he wants to be a dad, and
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he wants to be married and he wants to be
able to just live the post baseball life. So he
does that gets right back into it course of one
sixty two. I mean, I've heard anyone even remotely intimate
that he wants to even do this. But in terms
of offensively, yeah, this has been a slide for you
for the last couple of years, and that is one
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that not calling for jobs. But I do think that
that is going to be one of the first things
you do hear about is that you will hear there
is a new hitting coach here. Because I've said it
before that going and getting new hitting coaches doesn't necessarily
mean you're going to be successful. Look at the Rangers,
even before Marcus Simeon and Carlo Corey Seger got hurt.
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They were a very underwhelming offense this year, even worse
than you were. And they made a hitting coach change
in the middle of the season and they brought in
Brett Boone. Didn't necessarily work, not really. As a matter
of fact, the results were pretty much the same, maybe
even got it worse. But for the Astros, for the
offensive firepower we believe they have, and I understand that's
an aging Jose Altov and Carlos Korea is probably not
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as powerful as he used to be at the plate,
and you didn't have Jordan Alvarez for much of the season.
I understand there's built ten excuses with it, but this
is still a team with the some of the parts
that you have that should not be middle of the
pack to lower third of Major League Baseball on offensive categories.
So yeah, I do think that he is going to
be a change this offseason, and we saw it in Seattle.
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I mean, what was the one thing that was keeping
the Mariners away from overtaking the Astros in the West
the last few years. It was their offense. And you
do get a career year out of cal Raley, Julio
Rodriguez starts to look like the guy that they thought
that they extended, and you also add a Heineo Suarez
and Josh Naylor who would fit that team like a
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glove and have been massive additions for that club. So
all of those things kind of baked in and they
went out and got a guy that was shown the
door unceremoniously in Atlanta and Kevin Seitzer. But clearly whatever
he brought the Seattle it worked this year because they
were a very capable and very powerful offense. So I
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don't know who that would possibly be that you bring in,
but I do think that the edict this offseason, just
like bringing in Tony Parischka, was to try to improve
you defensively this year, and the Astros did improve defensively.
I don't know what the metrics are, but they were
a much better fielding team this year. This last week
and a half not included, I mean this last week
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and a half, they've looked like a pretty sloppy ball club.
But he also saw some good plays in the field
last night. But that was something that you set out
to do, and they set out and they went out
and did it. I think another thing too that you're
gonna have to look at this offseason is you need
to be able to find a way to take extra bases,
and we have not seen this team do that a
ton this year. We've seen it done to them where
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you've had hits to the outfield and a guy is
able to get second base because he knows that Jake
Myers doesn't have a strong enough arm. You're not going
to improve arm strength, but at least you can try
to counteract as much as possible with you using the speed.
And there's fast guys on this team that should be
stealing bases for this team. And I think that's something
else they're going to look at this off season is
how do we improve this team on the basis and
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being able to win games that way too, because a
lot of the little things that this club had done
for the longest time have started to now elude this club.
And the fact of the matter is you just don't
have some of the same talent you did back then.
And that's fine. That's the regression of baseball. That's what
happens in sports. Eventually, guys get older. Eventually you don't
have the replacements that you had in the past to
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come from behind them and be able to step in
and be viable players for you. So maybe that is
going to feed into this offseason where next year you're
going to draft higher, so you probably have a chance
to actually get good, meaningful prospects into your organization. And
again too, I mean you wonder if it's on the table,
if the conversations are going to be had this off
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season of not necessarily making moves to have this team
take a step forward next year, but to say let's
remain competitive, but also let's continue to have a mind
on the future, and if that means we take a
step back next year, so be it. But the beauty
of baseball now is with guys being fast tracked to
the major leagues, it's no longer a hey, if we
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full on rebuild, which that's not what I'm calling for,
but if we full on rebuild, then it's going to
take four or five years for us to even be
a viable organization. Again, no, you can turn this thing around.
Speaker 9 (29:28):
Me.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Look at the Mets just a few years ago, where
they looked like a organization that was going to need
a full on rebuild, and they had a really good
offseason and hit on some guys that they added to
their organization. And they're right back in the postseason the
following year. So it can happen, but it also too
sometimes makes you wonder, are you chasing ghosts? Are you
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looking back for something that's just not there anymore. Maybe
jose Al Tuves just not that guy anymore. Maybe we
have high expectations for a guy that just cannot meet
those expectations anymore. Hall of Fame player, no doubt about it.
But I've had some real concerns with what we've seen
out of him in the later parts of this season that, yeah,
age is starting to catch up to him a little bit.
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So I think all of those things kind of bake
into it. But there will be changes this offseason, the
mark my words, and you will hear Jim Crane say
as much that there will be changes this offseason because
he likes having postseason baseball, and we like having postseason baseball,
but dollars and cents wise, he loves having postseason baseball
at Dyke And Park. And there's no teacher like humility
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to be able to tell you, hey, we need to
get this thing back on track because I like that
money coming in for my organization, so we need to
find a way to be able to continue doing that,
and it doesn't look like that's going to be the
case this year. But crazier things have happened in baseball.
All right. When it comes to your to on, Josh
Hater or any of those guys, I think the decision
has pretty much been made for you, and we'll discuss
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that here as we continue along. It is the Sean
Salisbury Show here on a third Thursday, Sports Talks seven ninety.
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Speaker 6 (32:42):
I mean, it was a long shot anyway, at least
for Hater to be able to make his way back.
I mean, you hoped that if you did start throwing
this week that maybe, just maybe if you are able
to And I think that probably the way that they've
played lately has started to slow down his ramp just
a little bit where it's just like, hey, at this point,
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if we're in a wild card series, you're not going
to pitch in that, and you'd have to scratch and
claw to even be able to win that. It is baseball,
and all you would need is too but still get
into the divisional round. That would still be tough to
be able to have Josh Hater be part of this.
So I think that that's probably fed into this too. Jordan,
they said that there was an outside chance that he
could rejoin the club in Anaheim, but again, no baseball activities,
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just working out in the weight room. We've heard this
song and dance before and seen it, like, we know
how this goes. Ordon Alvarez has done so when it
comes to that in these injured guys twenty twenty six,
just prepare that. I mean, honestly, at this point, what
are you preparing for at this point to get into
the postseason. That's all nice in its own merit, but again,
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you want to be able to try to make sure
that you're not in this situation again next season. I
mentioned it in the first segment of the show today
that you're more than likely going to see wholesale changes
in this organization this offseason, and I think the first
and foremost needs to be your medical staff, and I
think that first staff meeting, and usually it's one of
those that the owner will kind of address the team
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early on in the season, maybe early on in a
off season, any of those things, and then stay away
and show up every once in a while spring training
and show up every once in a while with some games,
but for the most part, baseball operations let them do
their thing and stay out of the way. And that's
kind of the way that Jim Crane has run this thing,
even though he did tell us when he fired aj
Hinch and Jeff Luno after the cheating scandal and everything
(34:32):
that came out in twenty twenty that he was going
to be more hands on, and he still has been,
but he's still really good about This is Dana Brown
day to day operations. This is Joe a spot is
day to day operation. So medical that does need to
be looked at, because I think that needs to be
the first thing said by Jim Crane. Why do we
continue to have this happen? Why do we continue to
have where we have an initial diagnosis for something and
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then a few weeks later we come back and we realize, oh,
it was really much more severe than we thought. I mean,
the Astros have had two embarrassing scenarios with that now
last year with Kyle Tucker and then this year with
Jordan Alvarez, where then, for whatever reason, everybody gets mad
at Dana Brown about it. Dana Brown's the messenger. Jocepott
is the messenger. Like it's honestly to the point where
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if you're going to continue to have these things happen
to yourself and they put out the injury report, but okay, fine,
it's an injury report. Oh he's got a thigh injury.
What exactly does that mean? Oh he's got a thigh injury? Okay, cool,
I mean you're almost better off just not even saying
anything to us because you just told us nothing. I
mean I say it all the time of people who
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say a lot of different things, and then you go
back and look listen to it and you're just like, yeah,
that was nothing whatsoever. But you've had these two embarrassing
scenarios happen to you that honestly, I mean, I've said
it before that when it comes down to this time
of the year where you're trying to retool your roster,
you're going after free agents and anybody else who can
(35:59):
choose to come here, I think you look at it
and say, do I want to join that? Seriously? Do
I want to? Because if I get injured, are you
gonna put this on me? We've heard that before, Oh
Jordon this year, Oh he gives us the thumbs up,
we're gonna have him right back in the lineup, and
then three months later we don't see Yordon Alvarez until then.
So no, it wasn't on the player at that point.
It wasn't on him to give you a thumbs up
(36:20):
and say that he was good to go. I mean,
it's just it's it's honestly, and injuries are gonna happen.
We understand that, we know that, and it's as frustrating
as the day is long. We get all of that,
but it's just also too just the continued put that
carrot in front of us, and then you don't meet
that carrot and then you're like, oh, well, you know
(36:40):
he's gonna be back with us really soon. The hell
does that even mean? So yeah, that needs to be
priority number one for this team going forward, because it
is embarrassing. It honestly is you look like you look
like a bunch of buffoons. Dude, don't know what you're doing.
And I know that that's not this organization. I know
it's not so an organization that honestly has changed the
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reputation for themselves and change the perception of themselves almost
overnight over the last ten years. So you've got a
real opportunity to kind of rain this thing back in
into look like you're capable when it comes to things
like this again, because as it stands right now, you
do not look that way to us, to your fan base,
and probably to most people in baseball. So again, injuries
(37:26):
are going to happen. That's not lost on me. Sore
arms all of the other things hamstrings. We get it,
but it's also where things like this happen. A little
bit more transparency with it helps yourself. Joe Spotty gets
tired of answering the same questions every day. Dana Brown,
when he joins us every single week, gets tired of
answering the same questions. Why don't you cut it off
the pass and just make sure that you don't have
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these things. Make your trainer available, make your team doctor available.
We're not asking for it every single time there's an
injury every single day, but at least, if nothing else,
you do get the story out there and the follow
ups stop at that point, and then yes, you can
just focus on baseball. So it's kind of a little
bit of a help me, help yourself kind of deal.
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And I believe it's coming. I think that that is
gonna be one of the things you see change going forward.
But it's just another frustration that you have this season.
And say all of that for a long story short
to say, yeah, we're not seeing Jordon Alvarez or Josh
Hater for the rest of the season. In real quick here,
I mean, how bad do you feel for Luis Garcia
(38:32):
that sucks. I mean, all of that work to try
to come back last year, get shut down, all of
that work to then come back this year, make a
couple of starts, and then go right back to it,
and you got to start it all over again. You
got to feel for him. That really really sucks, and
I hate that for Luis Garcia. But we'll continue the
Astros conversation if you want to get in Seveon one
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Speaker 6 (40:34):
They're now getting back at the Detroit Tigers for the
final wildcard spot from Bervelde is going to start today
one thirty Astros on deck coming your way. You and
An Alvarez still not doing baseball activities, Josh Haters still
not throwing in Luis Garcia elbow surgery, going to miss
next season as well. Texans back on the practice field
to get ready for the Titans at home on Sunday.
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They're looking for their first win of the regular season.
Don't forget Astros GM. Dana Brown gonna join us at
nine thirty. Good morning, Chris Gordy. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Man?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah? Is there any good news?
Speaker 9 (41:06):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I mean, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
It's just here's the thing. And me and Ari talked
about it yesterday. Ari Alexander was in for Sean. You're
in for him this morning. Appreciate that. But I seriously
got to know, like who upset the sports gods? Like
when did when did it happen? Like what happened? Who
did it? Any any of those different things out there?
Like what threw all of this off for us? Because
(41:29):
I mean literally, we've gone three straight days now after
a prolonged weekend of just bad performances by Houston teams.
Like who did it?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's I don't know, I don't know who's to blame.
Speaker 16 (41:45):
It's just it is wild looking at the standings, Dan
and seeing that the Astros are five games back in
the AL West, so Mariners running away with this thing clinched,
and that the Askers are one of the worst teams
in you know, and like in terms of You're the
only team that's worse than you right now is Detroit,
who's on an eight game losing streak, but you on
(42:06):
a five game losing streak. I mean, the optimism at
least I had going into Friday out of that sweep
of the Texas Rangers. Going into Friday, you had the
Seattle Mariners coming to town, and you you felt pretty good.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Man, if we could just we could just take.
Speaker 16 (42:22):
Two out of three, we'll be sitting pretty Instead, you
get swept and now here you are in the verge
of getting swept of the oak by the whatever A's.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
This is nuts.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Yeah, it's not been fun. I mean, and you know,
if there is a team that you look at and
you just say, man, they really have our number, I
guess it's the A's this year. I mean, the fear
of Nick Kurtz is very very evident. Where you saw
Hunter Brown walk him twice last night, and I came
back to hurt you both times, but offensively for the Astros.
I mean, we've said it, and I think me and
(42:54):
you have talked about it that that four through six
pocket for this lineup right now has just given you nothing.
I mean, I don't know what it is about Christian Walker,
where like I understand, they want to believe in him,
and they and they think that he should be middle
of the order guy, Gordy. I mean, I've said it
numerous times. Fight the urge, stop doing it. Stop batting
him clean up. He's not a cleanup hitter this year.
(43:16):
Strikes out way too much, way too inconsistent, awful with
runners in scoring position. So you get that out of him.
Hazus Sanchez, I'd be just fine if for the final
four games you don't see Haesu Sanchez whatsoever, because I'm done.
I'm done with it all. I'm done with the no
pitch recognition at the plate. I mean the one at
bat where he struck out, swings over a slider that
(43:37):
almost hits him, and then looks at two fastballs that
were drivable pitches with a runner on second base, and
then don't even get me started on yinor Diaz. I mean,
it's just the chase rate, everything else with him. It's
just beyond frustrating this year. And I understand, well, who
are you gonna put in those spots literally at this point, Gordy,
anyone else?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, I mean the Sanchez thing, is bad. He was.
Speaker 16 (44:05):
He has five hits the entire month of September. I mean,
we're about to close the book on the month of September.
He's betting one oh four. I understand they wanted a
left handed bat, but I said this, you know, after
the trade deadline when they acquired him. Yes, it's one
thing to get a left handed bat. It's another thing
to get a bad left handed bat. And that's what
(44:25):
he is. Like, you wanted a left handed bat, go
get a good one.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Not a guy who.
Speaker 16 (44:32):
You know basically was batting two fifty when you got him.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Two fifty hitter last year, two fifty hitter the year before.
Speaker 16 (44:40):
I mean, this is who he is. And you go, okay, well,
maybe the average isn't great. He must slug a bunch
of home runs. No, he had ten home runs with
the Marlins this year. He had eighteen last.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Year, which was good, but fourteen the year before.
Speaker 16 (44:53):
It's kind of you know, he's just kind of a
bad hitter overall.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
And he's been.
Speaker 16 (44:58):
Even worse than an Asters uniform since he got an
Astro's uniform. And then the defensive fallob last night. I mean,
just absolutely, but you show a little effort out there, guy, Like,
I know you've been with the Marlins on a on
a piece of crap losing franchise the last four or
five years, but that's not how we do things here
on a winning organization. And some people saying like he
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should have went and sat his asked down after that,
if you're Joe A. Spata and then I've seen a
few people say, oh, well, we'll get rid of him
this offseason.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
I don't think so.
Speaker 16 (45:30):
When you acquired Hayesu Sanchez, the whole appeal was he's
got two more years of team control, he's got two
more years of arbitration. You own him, so like I've
good luck with that. Yeah, let's get rid of him.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
No, he's not.
Speaker 16 (45:43):
You get rid of getting rid of an outfielder that
you got in Drade dead at the Drade deadline. That
just I mean, and you really want to go with
Zach Cole and you know some of these young, inexperienced outfielders, Okay,
but ah man, it's it is just wild how they
give a blee attitude has completely gone out the window.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
See.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
And that's the thing is I said, I'm never going
to use the keyword, but I understand the perception that
people have of this team looks like it's quit. Like
I mean, you know, I mentioned Dallas Braden's line that
he had on the a's broadcast last night where he said,
this looks like a pretty lifeless ball club right now,
Like you get it where the fan base is frustrated,
And I said, and I also get the fan base
(46:23):
feeling that way because guess what, you created these expectations
by winning and not only getting into the postseason, but
going far in the postseason, and it doesn't look like
that's gonna happen this year.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, it's And it sucks too because you're so close.
Speaker 16 (46:37):
I mean it's you know, to get this far and
let this thing collapse in the last week really sucks
because you've overcome so much throughout this season and battled
and all the injuries.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
I get you.
Speaker 16 (46:50):
You have all the excuses in the world for not
making the playoffs, but I think everybody's hopes up in
these last two weeks and still be in control of
the Al West and still you know, people say, oh,
the astors are inevitable. That only inevitable ends, you know,
because this is this is not looking good. I mean,
I tried riding reading through the scenarios, Dan, I mean, basically,
(47:11):
what the only hope at this point is you have
to win three of these last four and Detroit has
to lose three of their last four.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
That's pretty much it. I mean, I actually would take
it a step further. I think you got to win
all four of them to even have a chance because
you're because go ahead.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Well, Detroit, they they own the tiebreak.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Garm too, right, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean,
so you need to be able to have a two
game advantage on them. So that means you need Detroit
to lose tonight and then you need them to lose
two out of three to the Red Sox in that series,
which is not inconceivable. But it's again a very tough
task last night, Hurt. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 16 (47:48):
I mean, it's so stupid when we look at the schedule,
and I said, I remember when the schedule came out,
talk about this, Durts. You know, during spring training, I
remember looking at the schedule going, man, it's crazy. You're
gonna play six games against the Division and the Rangers.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
And the Mirrors.
Speaker 16 (48:04):
But those last sex men, the league really did you
a favor saying you're gonna finish with the A's and Angels.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Oh, that'll be easy. Astros will lock.
Speaker 16 (48:10):
This thing up then and you cannot score runs on
the age you score one yet Tuesday in zero, last.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
Night five games, five games, eight runs for the Astros.
And then last night until the Christian Walker ground rule
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of hours. Strows loose last night six nothing to the
A's out there on the West Coast. They're now a
game back of the Tigers for the final wildcard spot
from Aville. Is going to start tonight try to save
the season. Or today is the more operative term, because
one thirty is when Astros on deck comes your way.
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Texans back on the practice field, get ready for the
Titans on Sunday, they're looking for their first win of
the regular season. Joe, Aggie, Doug, we'll get to you
guys here in just a second. But Gordy, I think
somebody got to the bottom of when things turned Houston
sports wise. And let me give proper credit here to
who said it on Twitter. It was Jim on Twitter
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who said who did it? CJ Stroud when he wore
the Mariner's hat.
Speaker 16 (51:38):
I mean, I guess does that does that pair up? No's?
There was one we saw that they swept the Rangers after.
Speaker 6 (51:45):
CJ wore the Well, if I'm not mistaken, though, I mean,
didn't the Mariners go on like a six game losing
streak after he wore it? So maybe it was the Yeah,
maybe it was the Yankees hat, although he woren't on Sunday.
But I mean, and hasn't gotten any better then, and
the Yankees continue to win, they might win the Al East,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
People are really upset about that.
Speaker 16 (52:07):
By the way, who can get that into that later,
But people are really mad at what TJ's wearing.
Speaker 6 (52:12):
They are and I guess that was talked about yesterday too,
was the hats. But like I said, we'll get to
some of you all on the phone lines. But I
did have the viral moment, because that is what the
stakeout is for. Remember Andy Byron and Kristin Cabot, they
were the CEO and HR lady at the Coldplay concert.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Oh gay, I didn't know their names, but.
Speaker 6 (52:33):
Right, yeah, yeah, so you know that whole moment. Oh
you know they're two time and that's the side piece
right there, and they didn't want to be caught on
the video board.
Speaker 17 (52:42):
Well.
Speaker 6 (52:42):
A source talking with people said that Kristin and Andy
had an excellent working relationship, in a good friendship. There
was no affair. It was inappropriate to be hugging your
boss at a concert. She accepts full responsibility for it.
But the scandal, the downfall, lost a job, all of
that is unfair. That was not a hug. Like you're
married and you know and if if if you're married
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or you're in a committed relationship and you're really into
each other, like that's what that looks like, you know,
like where you're you're hugging from behind, you know, she's
got her hands on your forearms, you know, with with
you holding on to her like that's what that is.
A hug is you're standing side by side kind of
like the Aggie Warham. Sway, that's what a friendly one is.
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That's what that one is.
Speaker 9 (53:29):
Like.
Speaker 6 (53:29):
You know, me and Hot Sales Chick. I mean, if
you know, if I ran into her at a concert
and we were there and and that's happening, well then
people would probably think, oh, they're dating. But no, it's
a working relationship and that's how you handle it.
Speaker 16 (53:46):
That is a funny spin. I never thought of that
as a good excuse. But no, we were just doing
the Aggie Warham. Yeah, that's that's a excuse. I promised,
I promise it wasn't me. Well, no, we can see
it clearly was to you. All right, well you know,
hey they played the Aggie Warham. You hate the aggies.
Well that's that's a strong term. But you look, we've
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had a few drinks and you know what, it led
to another and suddenly we're we're saw in Varsity's horns.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Aw.
Speaker 6 (54:12):
That's it. That's it. That's that's all it was. But no,
that's that's you know, it's it's the old cap I
call cap. It's one hundred percent. Yeah, like that's.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
That's that's that's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (54:23):
They were definitely stupid, They were definitely getting doing other things.
And I understand an anonymous source here to people, which
by the way, too who even says that this person
he or she knows these people. She could have said
that she did. They probably looked them up on on
LinkedIn and said, oh yeah, no I know Christin and Andy.
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Really well, oh no, that's that's not what was happening.
Maybe somebody was paid off to say things like that.
I don't know, but that's one hundred percent. Just dude,
just own up to it. You're you're you're both in
an affair. It's fine, it's okay, it's not fine, but
you my point, like, your business is your business, and
you obviously have handled the consequences from it.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
It couldn't. They could have even tried. No.
Speaker 16 (55:08):
I mean, we were just dancing, like we really liked
that cold Play song and so we had just we
were just uh, we had danced for a minute.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, she said can I have this dance? And that's
that's all.
Speaker 6 (55:19):
It was, can I have this dance? Hey, you get
your damn hands off for this. It's it's Chuck Berry,
It's Marvin Marvin Berry. Your cousin a little bad.
Speaker 16 (55:32):
I mean, that's that's crazy though, that that but yeah,
remember the Aggie war him.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
You can always use that.
Speaker 6 (55:39):
That's it. Yeah, I'll have to remember that next time.
But the Astro is obviously a huge topic of conversation.
If you want to jump in on that. Sebon one three, two, one, two,
five seven ninety is the number Shoe wants to weigh in. Joe,
good morning, Hey, good morning.
Speaker 7 (55:54):
I was gonna say, if the Astros don't make the playoffs,
I won't be upset because the way we're playing, I
feel like we're going to get knocked out in the
first round and some team gets to say that they
knocked the Astros out. But the reason I called was
if we don't make the playoff and assuming we get
a higher draft pick, and how much higher draft pick
would it be by not making the playoffs? And I
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hang up with this and thank you.
Speaker 6 (56:15):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (56:16):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (56:18):
That's not until July. I mean, and it's not going
to have any bearing on the immediate future of your team.
I mean, I understand where he's going for that, Like,
you know, drafting higher, you're going to have a better
prospect and I mean, that's something that can help you
going down the road. But I mean I do think
and talked about this a little bit earlier, Gordy. I mean,
are we kind of in a position now where I
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understand what Jim Crane said about the window being open
as long as he's here. Do you want to avoid
the lessons that weren't learned from about two thousand and
six to twenty ten, where you thought that you were
still a competitive ball club and clearly you were not,
and you were just allaying the inevitable. Do you want
to go ahead and kind of get the process going
where you don't have to do the full on demolition rebuild.
Speaker 16 (57:02):
They're not gonna do a demolition rebuild because you still
have you have Jeremy Panya, who's in the middle of
his prime. You have Jordan Alvarez, he's in the middle
of his prime. I mean, your your roster's too good
to just tear it down. The problem is the frigging injuries.
Like we haven't even talked about what the news that
comes out yesterday. Luis Garcia is gonna miss all of
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twenty twenty six. Like that's that's insane, That is absolute insane.
For a guy who had Tommy John had to work
back from it, busted his ass, had set back after setback,
get back, piss pretty decent, and then has it feels
a tweak? Was that a week ago? And then it
comes out yesterday? Yeah, he's uh, he's uh, he's gonna
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he's gonna have some kind of procedure and he's gonna
miss all the next year. Like good god man, Like
just it's insane him mccullors like that the first order
of business. And I hate to throw anybody under the
bus here, but if I'm Jim Crane, the first order
business when this season ends, I'm getting rid of a
whole damn training staff, like a whole new regime gotta
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come in here, because what you guys did was on paper,
this looks like medical malpractice.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
With the number of injuries we've had with the Astros
the last year plus.
Speaker 6 (58:16):
Well, I mean it's not even just the injuries. It's
at least two of your most important players that you
misdiagnosed twice. That shouldn't happen more than once. Gordy, I mean,
Kyle Tucker. It's like, all right, look it happens, Sure
we get it. But then it happened again this year
with Jordon. That's an embarrassment.
Speaker 16 (58:35):
Well, in all these arms, I mean we I don't
even know if we mentioned it the other day.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
What didn't it come up? Brandon Walter is gonna have Tommy.
Speaker 16 (58:41):
John like, yeah, this is this is Nutso man, even
guys you found off the scrap heap are having arm
issues like this that that points to the organization.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Something is something in the organization, Like you have one
or two guys. Okay, it was just a floke, man,
it's Tommy John.
Speaker 16 (58:57):
But like when all these dudes are having all these
arm injuries, you start to go, Okay, somebody's not doing
something in this organization, right, doesn't seem.
Speaker 6 (59:07):
That way, Maggie, Doug will get you involved in the conversation.
You want to join us someone three two one two
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Show continued. That's that's gotta be, is the Gordy. That's
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that's that's what I need right there. So that was well,
that was all timed by you, Gordy. Good job. Uh,
Guardians Tigers go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
From burn era of eight twenty seven this month. What
about that tells you.
Speaker 16 (01:01:52):
This guy's gonna get it done tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
This guy's gonna stop the bleeding.
Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
Well, I mean, he's a middle linebacker out there. It's
what Dana Brown told us before. You know, Oh, you know,
you don't take that intensity out of them, Okay, Well,
I mean I would.
Speaker 16 (01:02:04):
I would tell you there was a better chance Fromberg
gets into a fist fight with Yanner yes on the
field tonight than he does of having going six shutout innings.
Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Well, then you'd have some out there and say, well,
at least the astro shows some fight, at least if
it's with each other, that's true.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
That's yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:02:20):
You know what if we're gonna miss the playoffs all together? Here,
let's just get into a fist fight and you know,
show some kind of fire out there. Well, I mean,
look in Fairness in the movie Major League two. That's
what turned around.
Speaker 6 (01:02:31):
You know Jake Taylor's you know Cleveland team at the
time is they got into a fight in the dugout.
Then they went out there, they won the second game
of the doubleheader, and well they started on their runs.
So I don't know, maybe maybe that's just it is
that happens, and then hey, hey, here we go. We're
gonna win this game and then we're gonna win the
next three.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
You know what I want to do.
Speaker 16 (01:02:49):
An hour in hour number three, when we get to
eight o'clock hour, I want to get into what's something
you really need to do? Like what's what's the positives
of the astra is missing the playoffs? Like, you know what,
I've got a I've got a closet I really need
to clean out, and I got time to do that
now next week. So you know, like, what's the positives
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of the astros if they missed the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
Somebody threw something like that out on Twitter the other
day and it was so what do people actually do
in October? And I was like, well, I mean you know,
pumpkin patches, watch college football. Yeah, exactly built that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I could build that Halloween village we've been wanting to do.
Speaker 16 (01:03:29):
There, you go, you know, head over to Michael's and
grab some some arts and crafts.
Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
Start start the closet turnover for the winter time for
about the month that we have of winter around here,
I mean six days of cold weather. Yeah, I'm grasping
at straws here, Gordy. I'm not really sure exactly what's
available to the Astros in regards to that, so or
at least the fan base and that. So yeah, that's
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maybe something we can kick around. I like that idea.
As for now we can be able to involve you
someone three two two five seven ninety Aggie Doug wants
to weigh in. Good morning, Aggie, Doug.
Speaker 18 (01:04:05):
I guess we play more golf, guys.
Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
That's the only thing I can I like that idea, Doug.
You know what I'm with you on that. Me and
Sean are gonna waiting for your call.
Speaker 18 (01:04:13):
Steve here and go tear up the links, baby.
Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
Listen to this guy. A plus call, Aggie, Doug. You're
the man, and your programs playing good football. Good for you.
Speaker 18 (01:04:25):
So far, so good, guys, But I'm taking the humility.
You're out this season and uh, you know, Aggie's win,
they win, they lose, they lose, and hopefully they'll just
be in that twelve thing at the end of the season.
That's the only thing I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Hoping for sure.
Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
You sure you're an A and M fan. I mean,
I thought for sure the commemorative cups would have been
printed up after the win at Notre Dame.
Speaker 18 (01:04:48):
I pride myself on being a realistic Aggie. There's not
very many of us, so at least at least that's
the way I keep prints from LSU in Texas and
all these other schools. So uh, I I I'm, I'm,
I'm humble about the eggs. With the Astros, we're just tired, man.
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I think that they they peaked against the Rangers and
winning the Silver Boot ain't winning you know, playoff series
and and the and this team knows that. But almost
it's like we've accomplished something and then it's like you
really didn't accomplish anything. But that's what I see when
I watch them. And uh, but to be fair, we've
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thrown dirt on this team. I don't know how many
seasons and they somehow keep coming back. They are the
zombie Astros for a reason. And so I don't know, guys.
I mean, what if forever goes out and you win
this game, you win the next three, and you go
into the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
You know hot?
Speaker 19 (01:05:50):
You know?
Speaker 18 (01:05:51):
And I don't know, guys, because again, we've We've done
this season after season after season. I mean, remember, let
dust these last season, getting in them the last day,
uh and winning the you know, the champion of our
division on the last day of the series on the season.
But I don't know, man, I just think that the
Astros really are just exhausted. The injuries are finally just
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all catching up to them.
Speaker 9 (01:06:16):
And it's okay, you know.
Speaker 18 (01:06:17):
That's what I want to tell the Astros. It's okay,
almost like a dying relative, It's okay if you if
you don't make the playoffs this year, we'll be fine.
We'll come back next year. I think they've got a
lot of right spots coming back next year. There's a
lot of things that all the injuries kind of showed
us this year that there's some really good kids that
we got available. So I think you got to give
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them a shot and h and definitely.
Speaker 9 (01:06:40):
Have to go out and sign some pitching because.
Speaker 18 (01:06:42):
With Nesky rag Getty, I mean, all these guys are
in question now. I believe both of those guys have
elbow issues and I'm waiting for them to announce their
surgeries as well. So I think the first thing you
got to focus on is obviously pitching. Uh And if
you can move some of these guys like a Walker
or are As Sanchez and include them with a young
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player or too to get some good pitching, I'm fine
with that. I mean, the Altuve and you're on the
only guy probably three or four more years left, so.
Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
Now I appreciate the call. I mean, you know, I
get to Gordy and we can carry this over of
not wanting to, you know, completely close the door on
this team. But isn't there just something that just looks different?
I mean, like I said about a Jose al Tuova earlier,
he's not Jose al Tuove of the past anymore. Like
that's I think pretty evident from what we've seen these
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last couple of months, and just the lack of power,
just the lack of production, all of those things. And
if he's off well then obviously we see what happens
with the rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Well before you bury him.
Speaker 16 (01:07:48):
I mean, he does make thirty three million next year,
thirty three million the year after. I mean he is
he's locked in. Uh so he's not going anywhere. He's
he is under contract through twenty nine, so you know
there's a reason why you moved him to the outfield
this year.
Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
He is thirty five years old. But I'll do his
not going anywhere.
Speaker 16 (01:08:09):
I mean this this is again everybody wants to hit
the reset button, start this thing out.
Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
No, you've got the bulk.
Speaker 16 (01:08:17):
Your team is all back next year, like everybody's under contract,
So you know, the only thing that's hurting right now
is injuries, and it's it's wild. I'm looking at a
list of the roster and under starting pitchers. You have
won two, three, four, five, six guys with a little
medical patch next to him, and mccullor's Garcia, Blanco, Arraghetti,
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was Nesky and Walter.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
I mean as absolutely insane.
Speaker 16 (01:08:41):
That that much your starting pitching is is injured. But
you know then you throw in Josh Hater, who's hurt,
Kayla Bord, who's hurt? I mean, it's you just the
injury bug took its toll this year and it just
absolutely crushed them. But no, this team is still absolutely
loaded going into next I hate to pull a Dana Brown,
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but hey, come on, Astros fans, this team's loaded next year.
We're coming right back.
Speaker 6 (01:09:07):
I always loved that at the end. All right, let's
go Astros fans. It's it's it's like I said, it's
like a college football coach. Coach, thanks for joining us,
all right, guys, hey appreciate it. Go tigers. You know
it's it's it's a nice little motif at the end.
It's something that we can always look forward to. And
we're gonna get that chance here in about an hour
and a half or so. John, we'll get you involved.
You want to join them? Someone three two one two
(01:09:28):
five seven ninety against someone three two one two five
seven nine zero. Is it the end for the shows? Well,
you just heard a little bit of our thoughts. We'll
continue it right here. It is the Shawn Salisbury Show
on a Thursday, Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Let the celebration start more.
Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Sean Salisbury on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
John in Spring wants to do exactly that.
Speaker 20 (01:09:53):
Good morning, John, Hey, good morning, Gordy. I was watching
the game last night and one of the Athletics players
it'll pop up, and Yiner Diaz went after the pop
up and then just pulled up Short. Now I wasn't there.
I really couldn't tell exactly why he just gave up
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on the ball, but I watched, I watched pop ups
drop in between three players on the infield, a lack
of effort and going after one. And just as soon
as that happened, the camera angle switched to Hunter Brown,
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and he just looked so defeated and dejected, like, these
guys are not even going to dive for a ball
for me. You have to be perfect to pitch for
these guys, because they're not going to score any one
for you. They're going to hit into double plays. And
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then I thought about earlier in the season, when they
were twenty games above five hundred, and they had all
these called up from the minor leagues, and you had
guys like Bryce Matthews carrying you for a series in Arizona.
You had Zach Short getting a key home run. You
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had players tromail diving into a center field wall face first,
and I think that's the difference. I just don't know.
I just don't see the effort in these guys as
she got playing out there today. And I don't understand why.
Speaker 9 (01:11:39):
This coach death. Gordy, you're talking about.
Speaker 20 (01:11:44):
Cleaning out your cleaning out your closet in October, and
I kind of think that's what you asked for.
Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
Yeah, John, appreciate the call. Yeah, I mean, Gordy, you
know he's mentioned you if you want to go ahead.
Speaker 16 (01:12:01):
Well, I mean it's the reality is they just have
not played great overall. And to the callers point earlier,
I looked it up. I mean when the callers asking
about do they get a better draft pick whatever. Yeah,
as of right now, Tekon's got them with the eighteenth
overall pick. Had they made the if they make the
wild card, they have the nineteenth pick. So I mean,
come on, what are we talking about here. It doesn't
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it's it's and again this is.
Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
Not gonna come on. Historically, everybody knows the eighteenth pick
always hits in. The nineteenth pick always folds.
Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:12:30):
I mean, if you had them, if you had a
if you missed the playoffs and it locked you in
as a top five pick, I mean, do we want
to go like NBA lottery. Do we want to go
lottery in MLB where you missed the playoffs and you
you have a good you know, you have a chance
to win the number one pick. Perhaps, you know we
could we can go that route. But no, I mean,
there's there's not much difference there. And uh, you know
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that's that's the thing. Matt Thomas was saying that yesterday, said,
I've seen so many people say, you know what, I'd
rather than miss the playoffs than make and.
Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
He goes, what's the benefit of missing?
Speaker 16 (01:13:02):
Like, you don't get anything good from missing the playoffs
either make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
So you don't like, I'd rather.
Speaker 16 (01:13:07):
Them even if you think this team is it's just
they got nothing, they got no juice, and they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Get their ass beat in the playoffs.
Speaker 16 (01:13:15):
Fine, you'd rather make the playoffs than not make the playoffs.
I don't understand the fans who were like, I don't
even want them to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
There's no benefit to not making the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
Well, I mean that's the thing is you at least
want to give yourself a chance. I mean, even as
feeble as that chance might be, you still want to
try I mean, that's the thing. And I hear that too,
and I'm just like, yeah, like what benefit is that? Like, Oh, okay,
well we miss the plaoffs, so we're gonna be extra
motivated next year. No, you get knocked out in the playoffs,
you're still extra motivated. I mean, you heard all throughout
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spring training, Gordon, when you were there in West Palm Beach. Oh, well,
you know, Joe was telling him that he wanted them
to be proud of what they accomplished last year, but
he understood that they were motivated to get back to
where they've been. Okay, well they made the players and
got to that point. So no, I'm fully with you
on that. There's no benefit to missing as opposed to
getting in as the final wildcard spots. As a matter
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of fact, the benefit is only in getting in. So
I mean, it's frustrating, it's annoying how they've played down
the stretch, but you hope that it, you know, if
there is somewhat of lightning in a bottle for these
final four, that if you can kind of recapture what
you did against the Rangers, it'd be nice to see it.
But again, even with that, you're up against the herculean
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task because well, I mean, Detroit's gotta win another game
soon enough, right, you would at least think so well and.
Speaker 16 (01:14:36):
To reset the playoff picture as it stands right now
you are you are outside of that last wild card spot.
Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
The Red Sox.
Speaker 16 (01:14:45):
Are what three games better than you right now, so
they play the Tigers. I mean, you're basically gonna have
to be rooting for a Red Sox sweep. And I
guess theoretically, numbers wise, the Red Sox could still catch
the Yankees, but the Yankees have won four in a row.
But anyway, I mean, you just hope that the Red
Sox can good. But like numbers wise, with four games remaining, Dan,
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you have to win all four. I guess, I mean,
winning three out of four and the Tigers losing all
four leaves you both tied in the standings and Detroit,
what the head to head would get in you would
be out. So I mean, you base you have to
sweep these last four.
Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
Yeah, that's the situation you've put yourself in. Carlos Koreas
said it earlier in the show Open Well Game seven mentality,
and that's what the Astros are up against. Ray we'll
work in you want to join them someone three two
one two five seven ninety that idea that Gordy brought up,
Maybe we'll kick that around in the eight o'clock hour two.
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Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
As the Astros lose last night six to nothing at
two the A's with that loss, they're now a game
back of the Tigers for the final wildcard spot in
the American League. Fromber Valde is gonna get the start today.
One point thirty Astros on deck, coming your way right here.
Sports Talk seven ninety yard on Alvarez still not doing
baseball activities, Josh Hater still not throwing in Luis Garcia
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Dana Brown gonna join us at nine thirty this morning.
Keep it going on the phone line seven one three
two one two five seven ninety against seven one three
two one two five seven nine zero Montana Ray, what's
going on? Good morning?
Speaker 21 (01:18:47):
Hey, Good morning guys. Uh look, I'm gonna try not
to lose my temper on this.
Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
These guys are lazy.
Speaker 21 (01:18:58):
I mean, mccullar's out for what two years, and then
he's out again for a blister. Pop the thing, put
a band aid on it, get back to work. I mean,
maybe I'm an old school but these I don't see
it as being tired. These guys that are always on
the limp, lame and lazy list.
Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Trade them.
Speaker 6 (01:19:22):
You don't want to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Trade them.
Speaker 21 (01:19:24):
I mean, bring up the guys from the miners that
helped us win in LA eighteen to one. Maybe I'm
just old school or overreacting, but I don't see it
getting any better even next year. So you guys have
a great weekend. Gig them.
Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
I appreciate it. Ray. I mean with mccullors, I get
the frustration, and I mean it's got to be frustrating
for him too. But you're not going to trade Lance
mccullor's junior. Nobody is taking on somebody who frankly just
can't stay healthy and is making seventeen million dollars a
year to give you what I mean, ten starts? How
many starts did he give him this year.
Speaker 16 (01:20:05):
It's the craziest thing I ever hear when we talk
astros Is. I want people to use some common sense
when it comes to trades. If you have trash, if
you have what you consider trash. How do you convince
somebody to take your trash? No one wants your trash.
They do not want to pay for your trash. They
don't even want to take your trash for free. So
that it's just it's crazy when people call with that.
(01:20:28):
It's like it's always happened over the years. When a
starter as a bad couple outings, like a guy like mccullugy's,
people go ah, trade him. No, it is untradable. He
is a injury prone pitcher who's making seventeen point seven
million dollars next year. The only option you have is
to cut him and eat that salary. And you did
it with jose O Brew that they don't want to
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make a habit of doing that. I've seen so many
articles written about they should do it with Christian Walker.
I mean, I guess they'll discuss that, but like, is
this really what you want to get in the habit
of having a tip ten payroll in all of baseball
and just paying a bunch of guys to go away.
Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
You know that's what people call, Oh they're cheap, they
don't want to pay it, right, No, they've paid people.
Speaker 16 (01:21:08):
You just don't like the people they've paid because it's backfired.
The Christian Hobveer deal not looking great right now. He
didn't look very good the other night. He makes twenty
one point four million next year, must be nice. Well
it's what Callers makes. Seventeen point seven million next year.
Must be nice. But that's not just money you get
to just you know, like it's that's real money that's
being paid for two guys that either can't pitch for
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you or just are inconsistent.
Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
Well, I mean, and that's the thing is he made
twelve starts this year, by the way, fifteen appearances, so
three out of the bullpen.
Speaker 16 (01:21:42):
But I mean for Walk, all those bullpen appearances were
got awful.
Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
So he's got crazy.
Speaker 6 (01:21:48):
Yeah, that's that's for sure. But for Walker, I mean
average wise, the strikeouts are up all of the I mean,
it looks like fastballs with any sort of velocity are
trouble for him. And I mean, now on the other
side of thirty five, with two more years at twenty
million per I mean, that's gonna be a high ask.
The only thing I think you have going for you
on that, Gordy, is that he's a team leader in RBI.
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He still did knock in eighty two runs this season,
but he's also been on eighty two for some time.
Speaker 16 (01:22:18):
Well, but that's the only reason he has that is
because of where they've continued to bat him every night,
like keep putting him in that spot. Eventually, Yeah, he's
gonna he's gonna ground out or fly out and runs
gonna score. So that that to me is just yeah,
that's a that's that's decent numbers. But when you're batt
in four hole, five hole every night, you're gonna come
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up with guys on.
Speaker 6 (01:22:40):
So just trying to look over when the last time
he knocked in a run was, and I don't believe
that he has knocked in a single run here in
the month of September. I mean, just looking at it
real quick. Yeah, yeah, hold please, let's see September sixteenth
was the last time he knocked in a run. He
knocked in one against the Rangers in the second game
(01:23:01):
of that three game series.
Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
That's insane.
Speaker 16 (01:23:06):
I mean, but again, like what do you do with him?
Like you just he's under contract next year. I just
can't get in the habit of paying guys to go away.
Speaker 6 (01:23:16):
Well, I mean, and I understand about the paying guys
to go away, But it is also too, is your
team better with Estak peretis here as opposed to Christian
Walker here? I mean, because here's the other thing is too,
is you're I mean, the same thing we're talking about
with Walker. It's the same thing with Carlos Correa. He's
on this team. Next year, he's with you, so I
understand that the power is diminished and he's not the
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same player he was the first time when he left here.
But I mean he's on your team. So then are
you open to trading Jeremy Pania because I mean that
conversation that needs to be had because you gotta put
some some people somewhere. You're not gonna put yourd on
out and left field every game.
Speaker 16 (01:23:55):
Well, the thing we have to discuss here that I
think people are electing to knowledge is most likely.
Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Still gonna need surgery.
Speaker 16 (01:24:04):
He put it off so that he could come back
and be a hero this this last these last couple
weeks of the season.
Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
The hamstring isn't fixed. He's playing through.
Speaker 16 (01:24:13):
It, but as soon as the season ends, don't be
shocked when you see Estoc paratists to have hamstring surgery.
Out six to eight months, Like that's a real that's
a reality. Nobody's acknowledging just because he came back doesn't
mean that thing's fully healed.
Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
I mean they said it.
Speaker 16 (01:24:29):
They're like, we're gonna off to run full force to
first base, like he's he's back, but in a very
limited capacity right now.
Speaker 6 (01:24:38):
Yeah, we saw that play out last night too, with
that first inning six four to three double play lead
off walk by jose A l two Va, and it's like, oh, okay, hey, sweet,
now that'll be cool. And then right there that happened.
As soon as I saw that Jack Wilson fielded that
ball cleanly, I was like, great, there we go. There,
there goes that ending. I mean, as one of our
callers pointed out, Gordy, it seems like it's always just
(01:25:00):
right around the corner. Hey, we got runners in scoring position.
Ground ball to third base, nobody moves. Hey we still
got runners in scoring position, pop up in the infield,
all right, Well, I mean you know they've gotten stuff
done with two outs, We've got runners in scoring position,
fly out to center field. I mean, it's just I
called them the minimalist Astros lineup for a reason, because
that's exactly what they have been, and I mean it's just, yeah,
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we believe that they can still be that team next
year with health included. But the last two years have
taught you you can't count on health with this team,
not right now.
Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:25:35):
Well my point that is, if Brady says that a
procedure be right, I mean, won't be ready for spring.
Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:25:45):
I don't know if we'd be ready for the start
of the season. So I mean, there goes that thing
out the window. We got too many infielders? No, you
got just them enough, you know, I mean so, But
but then, well, how do you want to pursue this?
Do you want to pursue a full time second basement
in the offseason? If Al Twovey's Surefire are going to
go back to left field, it's on heeled. No, I
(01:26:09):
feel like dubunk you be in every day. I don't know,
There's gonna be a lot of discussions to be had.
I just know, you know, Carls Kray is probably gonna
slide in a third. Jerry Payne is that short and
Christian walker. Unless you want to pay him to go away,
I think will be your first basement.
Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
Yeah, or unless you want to eat a significant amount
of his money, which I mean again, same deal, it'd
be pretty much the same thing. Just this time you
trade and you get somebody in return, just means that
it's going to be diminished in terms of what you
get back and also you know what you're able to
do with your own spending power at that point. But
with the stros and just looking at how wait.
Speaker 16 (01:26:46):
Wait, Christian Walker, we've got to acknowledge. Acknowledge twenty million
next year and twenty million the year after that is
not chump change.
Speaker 6 (01:26:54):
No it's not. And even with the RBI production, it's
something that I still would be a pretty tough sell.
But with the Strows, this thing looking different. What exactly
does different look like? We'll discuss here as we continue
on a Thursday edition of The Sean Salisbury Show Sports
Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
This Sean Salisbury Show continues to continue.
Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
The spectators out there and also to you know, shaking
hands with Keegan Bradley and just having a ball out
there to get ready coach O in golf. Is that
something that we necessarily saw coming.
Speaker 16 (01:27:31):
Well, he's he's he's like a hype man, like if
you're a if you're a rapper, on tour right now
or something, and you need somebody to like intro you.
I'm pretty sure for a nominal fee, you could have
Coacho come out and just like hype you up. Yeah,
he was starting the USA chan out there, so yeah,
good for him.
Speaker 6 (01:27:47):
I've said that he's America's guest to me, and you know,
I know that he wants to get back in the coaching.
But then there's part of me it's like why, like
you seriously can just be you know, put up everywhere
you want to go, and I mean, you show up
there and he's the most likable person on the planet.
Like I think even like if he showed up in
Tuscaloosa and wasn't wearing Alabama gear, but he showed up there,
(01:28:09):
You're not gonna have Alabama fans yelling at him. They're
gonna be like, oh, coach, Oh can I get a
picture with you?
Speaker 9 (01:28:15):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:28:15):
Can you say what you said in the locker room?
That was so funny? I mean it's funny to them
now because well they beat LSU almost every single year
after that. But like you get my point, like it's
everywhere he goes people want to be around him.
Speaker 16 (01:28:27):
Well, I said, you know, if you really wanted entertainment.
I don't know if maybe like the Vice Channel or
one of those like entertainment channels, you set up a
reality show in Destin highlighting Coacho and Jimbo Fisher just
living their lives with their massive buyouts. I mean, heck,
maybe throw Kevin Somemlin in there. You know, Mike Gundhy
(01:28:48):
is now available. I just think a reality show of
fired college football coaches who got massive millions upon millions
of dollars of buyouts, just living their life out in deston.
Speaker 6 (01:28:59):
I think the big it's almost like The Real Housewives,
but fired college football coaches edition.
Speaker 16 (01:29:05):
Exactly like Jimbo complains about the service at a restaurant.
Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
You know, I think it'd be great, great drunk.
Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
I think so too. Maybe so someone three two one, two,
five seven ninety is the number to get in before
we get to Jordan here on the phone lines. How
this thing is going to look different? I think we
can agree, Gordy that. I mean, there was a time
from twenty seventeen until twenty twenty three where you had
a run where you believe that every single year this
thing was at the very least going to end in
(01:29:35):
the LCS. I think now the difference is this is
going to be a team that we think can make
the postseason every single year, but there are going to
be miss postseasons now, like that is going to be
kind of the turn in the organization that we're starting
to see.
Speaker 16 (01:29:51):
And this is what they did for the last decade
is not the norm. And the norm was even the
Cardinals who had that great run, like they would make
a deep run, even win, you know, play for a
World Series, and then miss the playoffs the next year
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Boston had that too.
Speaker 16 (01:30:08):
Remember like Boston went on a run, they'd win a
World Series, and then they'd have a year or two
where they missed the playoffs, and then they'd come back
and make a run for a postseason.
Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
So I mean, like that's more the ebbs and flows
of baseball.
Speaker 16 (01:30:19):
I mean, everybody likes to bring up the Yankees dynasty
and that run that they had, but yeah, this this
is more than norm. I mean, sustaining seven eight straight
years of making the postseason is it's just not the
norm the baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
It's too hard, too competitive to make it happen.
Speaker 16 (01:30:35):
It's still mathematically they're still not eliminated. I mean, they
could still again get into this thing if some things
fall right.
Speaker 6 (01:30:43):
Yeah, well, I mean here's hoping at this point that
seems like that's all we're holding on too, because I
mean again, I mean, yeah, conceivably they could win four
in a row. But the way that this thing has
gone from about mid July until now, there's nothing to
lead you to believe that they have that type of
run in them.
Speaker 16 (01:31:01):
Well you never know. Just put if you can punch
your tickets some house, some way. But yeah, scoring zero
runs against.
Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
The A's is not going to get you there.
Speaker 6 (01:31:08):
No, it is not. Someone three two, one, two, five
seven ninety the number to get in Jordan and bel
Air wants to wing in Jordan. Good morning, Good.
Speaker 19 (01:31:16):
Morning, guys. I appreciate your baseball knowledge. During one of
the nationally televised games maybe two weeks ago, John Smoltz
mentioned something about a fundamental change in the season of baseball.
I don't know if you guys listened to that or
heard that. No, he was talking about what he was
talking about because the amount of injuries that that the
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teams have stuffered this year. He thought that once the
two expansion teams.
Speaker 9 (01:31:43):
Are added, there would be a re alignment.
Speaker 19 (01:31:45):
And then something a change in the way the structure
the season or something. I don't know that I can't
remember the details, but if you heard that, i'd like
to hear your opinion on that.
Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
I didn't.
Speaker 19 (01:31:57):
I don't know if you heard him say that, but
he thought that baseball would change, the season would change
because of the amount of injuries.
Speaker 6 (01:32:06):
Like they would play less games. Is that what he
was alluding to?
Speaker 9 (01:32:12):
I thought he.
Speaker 19 (01:32:13):
I thought he said something about a break between a
longer break during the All Star Game to allow an
All Star time to allow players to get healthy again.
I could be wrong, but he did say that there
would be a change in the season so that there
(01:32:34):
would be more time for the players to recover or
something like that. I mean, I could look it up online,
but I didn't spend any time doing that. But he
did say something like that. I was gonna wonder if
you guys heard that in what he thought about that, Yeah,
he did say, because go ahead.
Speaker 6 (01:32:48):
No, No, I was just gonna say, appreciate the call.
The lesser games thing. I mean, I'm not even sure
if that's what he said, but that's not going to happen.
If anything. I'm sure soon enough they'll go to one
hundred and sixty six games. But I mean, you're gonna
have the Olympics coming up here, Gordy in a couple
of years, and they're already talking about maybe Major League
Baseball players being part of that. So would major League
(01:33:11):
Baseball kind of do like what the NHL does during
the Winter Olympics, where you give them two weeks off,
kind of structure it around the All Star Game that season,
and then you know, give them an extra week off
and then pick it back up after it's done.
Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
I don't know, I don't I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
Well, I mean, I mean, the pitching injuries are one thing,
and I know that Smoltz has talked about that before
with the emphasis on spin rate and you know, just
trying to be able to protect these guys as much
as possible. But it seems like any type of you know,
protective measures are never met. I mean, it's a right
(01:33:51):
of passage. Now, you haven't pitched in Major League Baseball
until you've had Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
Well, they've had the asters that just have way too many.
Speaker 16 (01:34:00):
I mean, this is this is Invanity and then the
Loseli Scartsia for all of twenty twenty six. You know,
it's it's like, what are we doing here? We're wasting
guys in their prime.
Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
It's nuts well, and that's the thing. I mean, he's
not the only one we've seen it happen with Lance
McCullers Junior. I mean Christian Hobby here coming back as
quickly as he has, I think has been a miracle,
and a miracle enough. But we'll keep it going on
the phone lines. You want to join in seven one
three two one two five seven ninety. Also Gordy's idea.
I mean, if there is no postseason baseball, what do
we do? We're open to ideas. Seriously, there are no
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That there. The Sean Salisbury Show continues.
Speaker 6 (01:36:54):
It's not been good and the only the other problem
is the Mariner has played really good baseball and well
they're AOS champs and they were able to celebrate that
last night in the Astros for the first time since
twenty seven Ara of excuse me, twenty sixteen, not aos champs.
Speaker 16 (01:37:09):
So if I could read, we got a note on
Facebook a guy Brandon sent a message said, sounds to
me this morning like already, just as the case of
the Red Ass, the horrible Astros payroll.
Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Isn't about it not being what the fans like.
Speaker 16 (01:37:22):
It's about two players on the wrong side of ROI
and the players ultimately not producing. If there's anyone fans
are mad at, it's decision makers, not the players. I
just again, Dan, when they signed Christian Walker, I did
not see anybody putting up their hands, going this is
a terrible signing, Like everybody seemed to be on board
(01:37:43):
with it, like I don't. I like it's always hindsight's
twenty twenty. The Jose Bray signing didn't work out. No
one at the time said I hate this move. The
same thing in Christian Walker when they acquired him. Nobody
jumped out and said I hate this move. Yeah, when
it doesn't work out, you say that after the fact,
But I just that's that's very sighted to me, Like
(01:38:04):
you can't, you can't, you can't. Oh you want this,
and then it does more code I didn't want this,
Like no, you you were on board with it when
they did it, like come back now and go that
was a terrible decision.
Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
Well, I mean, I think the heightened attention for it
too is exactly what you said about jose A Bray
you because it's right on the heels of that. So
you bring him in and his numbers are eerily similar,
and you see that he's struggling with catching up to
the fastball and striking out a lot and has not
been good with runners in scoring position. Like I get it.
(01:38:35):
I totally get it. I mean, yeah, it is a
little bit of hindsight there. But still, I mean, I
think if nothing else, maybe the argument to be made is, well,
when you do have guys that come up for contract
extensions and are on the south side of thirty, go
ahead and break the rules for them and give them
seven eight years as opposed to giving a guy that's
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in his mid thirties two or three.
Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:39:02):
But but again, this is that this is an opposition
to the twenty eight year old wanting the ten year
contract that they just don't give out.
Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
So you know, I like I saw somebody doing that
the other night. Oh we don't.
Speaker 16 (01:39:14):
We don't sign our players, they sign their players. They
just cut it off at six. Because again you get
all mad about these these guys like Christian Walker not
living up to their deal. Guess what the good thing
is you only signed him to a three year deal,
four year deal, And some of these guys, it's it's
you can get out of it. You know what you
can't get out of the ten year deals. You know,
it's you sign that out of that deal and he sucks,
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You're screwed. There is absolutely nothing you can.
Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Do about it.
Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
Well, I mean it's just like I'm saying, and I've
given you know, remember the children's book The Giving Tree.
Like the way the Astros have been conducting business with
that is eventually you're going to let somebody go that
you just cannot replace. And one of those guys I
think that we can agree is probably that guy is
Alex Bregman. I mean, how much did this team Alex
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Bregman this year and his leadership in the clubhouse and
how he goes about his business. You can wonder about
Kyle Tucker. They probably weren't gonna be able to keep
Kyle Tucker as is. So that's why I mentioned Alex Bregman.
I mean, that's one right there, Like, if you're going
to give this money to a first baseman, I don't
understand why you wouldn't do like what the Red Sox
did with Alex Bregman. How How was that not even discussed?
Speaker 16 (01:40:23):
Because this Athan wasn't playing that game with the Astros.
The only reason he signed up with Boston's because nobody
every other suitor went out the window. They nobody wanted
to give him that day. They were they were like,
we won eight, nine, ten years, and nobody was giving
him that. So that's why I ultimately had to do that.
But again, every time the Asters went to Bores and said, hey,
we'd love that Bregman back, he went right eight years
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and they went, no, we're.
Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Not doing that.
Speaker 6 (01:40:48):
I just I just think that the free agent signings
the last few years and the thought process behind it,
and I get it too. I mean me and already
talked about this a little bit yesterday that most free
agents that you sign are into their thirties because either
they were re up by their team when their you know,
service time window wasn't wasn't completely done yet, or also
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too I mean, you know guys that have been productive
throughout there. I mean, Walker is one of those guys
that he got he got productive once he hit about thirty.
That's when he became the player that people thought he
was going to be. So all right, fine, you pay
him off of that. But the problem is is there's
a risk in every single free agent signing, and you
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sometimes can run the risk of, well, they're going to regress,
and we hope it's not with us.
Speaker 16 (01:41:38):
Yeah, I mean, look, he's around a two fifty career
hit or in it anyway, so it's not it's not
wild that he's batten two thirty four. I just the
twenty three home runs. If he had just gotten to
where he was kind of at the peak of his
career and hitting in the thirties, you would take that
from Christian Walker this year.
Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Okay, Well, we'll live with the batting and average around
two forty.
Speaker 16 (01:41:59):
If you can club thirty thirty two to thirty three
home runs, it's just you didn't get that pop this year,
so a man, I mean like again, he's he's under
contract next year. In the year after he's thirty four,
he'll be thirty five going into next year. I almost
again this this whole you know, decide what you want
to do with the SPATA. But I do think hitting
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coaches probably going to be a change there.
Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Just bring in, bring.
Speaker 16 (01:42:24):
In some fresh voices with a new philosophy that can
work with Al Tubay, who just had one of his
worst you know hitting years average twise. You know, like,
get get in there and work with these guys and
let's let's find the mojo.
Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
Let's find the bats again.
Speaker 6 (01:42:40):
It would be nice John and Fresno workian And speaking
of something that was mentioned right there, I do think
that there is some expanding thoughts on that. So we'll
do that and continue the conversation here. Don't forget astros GM.
Dana Brown going to join us in about forty five
minutes for his weekly visit. It's Chris Gordy in for
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you here on a Thursday Sports Talks seven to ninety.
Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Why you're back this is the Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Get back at it.
Speaker 6 (01:43:10):
This should go back to last season two because a
lot of these same offensive struggles we saw last year.
And I get even when the Astros had that vaunted
lineup in twenty nineteen, you'd have stretches where it's just like,
come on, guys, like what's going on here? But then
there was always that breakout for that team and those
teams during that time where they would erupt for like
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seven runs in an inning in Oakland and you're just like, Okay,
there's that team. I know those guys. It's good to
see them again. You've never even remotely gotten close to
seeing that this year or even last year. Maybe hints
here and there, but at least for optics purposes, if
nothing else, there is no world where you can continue
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with the same approach that you've had, because let's be
honest here, Gordy, it's never improved this entire season. It's
it's the same thing. You still have Yiner Diaz swinging
over that slider one handed. You've still got guys trying
to pull pitches over the outside part of the plate
and hitting weak tappers and grounders. The third base and
shortstop pop ups, flyouts to center field, to end and
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ending all of those different things. You've got to switch
up the approach because at least from what it looks
like from me and the fans perspective, there is no approach.
Speaker 16 (01:44:26):
Yeah, I would, I kind of look at you know,
if we want to go off of just like offensive stats.
And for the Astros, I mean, we knew that the
home run to total. Will it come down in losing
Bragnant and losing Talker, you just lost a lot of
pop But she said, well, you got gord on Esa
Paratus is gonna bring a little bit, Christian Walker is
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gonna bring some that think they're gonna be okay here,
but you know, and then god on missus most of
the season. Esak Praadis misses half the season. I mean,
you know the injuries happening. Christian Walker didn't miss time.
He's just sucked. So you find your home run totals
down at one seventy two, tied for seventeeth on all
of baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
That's that's the lowest.
Speaker 16 (01:45:09):
I mean, I need to go back and look for
the last ten years, but asers have always been top five,
that ors, top ten in home.
Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Runs hit throughout this run.
Speaker 16 (01:45:17):
But even and I get it, it's it's not a
twenty twenty five stat we rely on, but batting average
has dipped. Do you realize, Dan, three years ago you've
had a two to fifty nine as a team that
was fifth in all of baseball. Last year they batted
two sixty two, third in all of baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
This season they're batting two to fifty as a team twelfth.
Speaker 16 (01:45:41):
I mean, again, you've been pretty consistently the last ten
full of years top five batting average.
Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
This year your twelfth.
Speaker 16 (01:45:48):
I mean, it's just all the offensive numbers have dipped,
and that's.
Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Why you are where you are.
Speaker 6 (01:45:53):
Well, I mean it's also too, I mean the players
do have to wear some of this too. I mean,
as I mentioned how jose L Twove has not been
the same guy. Carlos Korea not the same guy. We
mentioned about Jordan. You've had him a handful of games
this year, you really have not had him much. And
I mean Christian Walker not necessarily being what we expected
that he would be. You touched on it what his
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career average is, so I mean he's not far below that,
but it's just everything else that kind of boils in
and it's for the underperformance from the other guys, Jiner
Diaz another guy. I mean, where where would this team
be this year without Jeremy Paney and Jake Myers. Honestly, seriously,
where where would this team be if you didn't have
those guys and you didn't even have them for a
large swath of the season.
Speaker 16 (01:46:35):
Yeah, I'm I'm in you mentioned Karrea. I'm at least
encouraged by you know, since he put on an aster's uniform.
You bet at two ninety five in the month in
the month of August, and he's got in two seventy
six this month.
Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
It's not it's not outstanding, but.
Speaker 16 (01:46:49):
You know, two seventy six, three home runs, six doubles.
I mean, Korea is not is not a problem Like
he's okay, he's not. He's with all the problems you have.
I'm fine with him moving into next year. Now, he'll
be another year older. You know, he'll be just what
just turned thirty one a couple of days ago, so
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you know, he'll be thirty two. Al Tuo v will
be thirty five going on thirty six. I mean, it's
just you start to talk about a lot of your
your time players aging. But you know, like I said,
I'm optimistic that I think Graya has you know, it
almost feels like he's he's hit more now Sin's warning
an aster.
Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Form than he was warning a Twins uniform. So I'm
encouraged by him.
Speaker 16 (01:47:31):
But he got I just and again not saying it's
gonna fix all your issues, but just some new voices
in there as hitting coaches, I think can certainly uh
make this, make this thing going.
Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
And we'll see what Jim Crane decides to do.
Speaker 16 (01:47:42):
I mean, this will be the first time since twenty
sixteen pre both World Series titles that they potentially missed
the postseason. If they missed the postseason, I think heads
are gonna roll. I think Jim Crane's gonna say, we
are not staying the course here, guys, we are shaking
things up.
Speaker 6 (01:47:57):
Well, I mean, and that's the thing is I mean,
Alex sent Tron has been with the team what since
twenty sixteen, He's he's the longest tenured guy on this staff,
and I mean they're always on one year deals. So
it's not, you know, calling for someone to be fired,
that's not the thing. It's just a you just don't
bring them back. I mean it's and I think that
it's you have that conversation and it's look, we've got
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to go a different direction. That this this has stalled
out and it's time for us to move on.
Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:48:25):
Look, Mike Gundy is he He will go down as
one of the best, the best coach Oklahoma State has
ever had. But it was time to make a change.
Just thinking it got the stagnant. I mean, it's it's
fine to acknowledge you will always be beloved here, but
sometimes it's just time to make a change.
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start off this segment with John and Fresno. John, good morning, Hey.
Speaker 9 (01:50:18):
What's going on?
Speaker 22 (01:50:19):
Guys? Uh astos need to take the pay some Cleveland.
Cleveland had all them old players at the at the
at the deadline, at the when they started trading trade
away all them old players and elevated their young players.
Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Look what they're at now.
Speaker 22 (01:50:35):
At the beginning Houston had all these injuries, right, and
they elevated their young players and they were seven games
over at the trade deadline.
Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
What happened?
Speaker 18 (01:50:46):
You bring all.
Speaker 22 (01:50:46):
These old players take rept away from your young players
that helped you get the way you are. Now you
got confused and in the dug guye and there let's
be other. What do uh a two bay? What do
cous carrell?
Speaker 6 (01:51:01):
What do let's for color?
Speaker 9 (01:51:03):
Health and coming? They all play to get on the hitch.
Speaker 22 (01:51:06):
But see look at their stats. What do they what
do they have to play for?
Speaker 9 (01:51:10):
What they incier?
Speaker 22 (01:51:11):
Hey we said that when they come in here, they're
gonna elevate.
Speaker 10 (01:51:14):
These young players.
Speaker 22 (01:51:15):
They can play harder, teach them how to win championships. Hey,
it's an opposite. If you look at their stats, they
haven't did any They're healthy, they healthy, commed, but they
haven't did anything. They elevate nobody. They already got championship.
Speaker 9 (01:51:29):
They already don't got paid.
Speaker 18 (01:51:31):
Hey look here they looking you.
Speaker 22 (01:51:33):
Get out of here the lakes four games and go
on their vacation. The young players don't know. If I'm
looking at an older player, they're supposed to know how.
Speaker 18 (01:51:39):
To win, and I don't see that he's trying to win.
Speaker 9 (01:51:42):
It's just like.
Speaker 22 (01:51:43):
Lebron for La he might put up some numbers, but
he can't take me to a championship. And therefore they're
gonna follow their leader. They they ain't doing nothing. They're
not gonna do nothing after did a clean house and
go with their young stars because they got something hang
up to lift.
Speaker 6 (01:51:57):
I appreciate the call, Toty. We've talked about it. Here's
the thing, though, too, is for anybody that's asking for
a rebuild, remember how twenty ten through twenty fourteen felt
around here. Seriously, just remember that for a second, you
couldn't handle it. You weren't going to the ballpark, you
weren't listening, you weren't doing any of those things. So
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if you want that, just be prepared for the consequences
of what go along with it, because baseball, when it's
not competitive, it is a long year. And I don't
think that fans are on board with that, Gordy.
Speaker 21 (01:52:32):
No.
Speaker 16 (01:52:32):
And again it's it's wild on Twitter, Dan, you know
how you have the for you tab'. I'm catching up
on a lot of tweets from last night, and goodness, gracious,
I mean it is great it's it's a Mastro's graveyard
of the season and a lot of people pulling the
you know, man, fifteen years ago, we were the laughing
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stock of baseball. I never thought this run would ever happen.
I can't take it for granted. And I'm just like, gosh, like,
can we can we wait? I get it's not likely
to make the postseason, but can we wait till they
are mathematically fully eliminated before we start saying rest in
peace to the great playoff run we had and all this,
And again it's there's still talent on this roster. There's
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still talent in the farm system. So I'm not ready
to bury them well and go well, let's pocketing guys.
Sastros will never be good again. Like it's a little
bit premature.
Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
Well, and it's also too I mean, as I said,
the run that they went on from seventeen to twenty three,
it's unprecedented. If they had even had a year in
there where, say they tripped up in the divisional series,
we would have been disappointed, but still it would have
been like, all right, I mean, you can't do it
every single year. I get that. I mean I guess
you could see what we could, but most teams don't,
(01:53:44):
so I get that. But I mean it was every
single year where it was either LCS or it was
World Series that we were seeing around here. I mean
that's again, you create that expectation, you think that it's
going to be around forever. It's just the law of
averages tell you it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Let me throw this out there.
Speaker 16 (01:54:02):
Brad chimes in on Twitter says, uh, Gordy said no
one was complaining about the Walker deal when they signed.
It might be true, but that's irrelevant. It's Dana's Brown's
job to make sure the move is a success.
Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
Uh. How exactly is Dana supposed to go.
Speaker 16 (01:54:16):
In the cages with uh, with Christian Walker and go hey, uh,
let's run up back again. You see what you're doing, Christian?
Your hate Your right hand is a little bit low.
You want to move that up?
Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
Like. That's not the GM's job.
Speaker 16 (01:54:28):
It's it's on the it's on the hitting coaches, but
primarily it's the responsibilities is on the player to produce.
Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
Well.
Speaker 16 (01:54:35):
I mean again, like some of these guys, they get
in their head and okay, we've got sports psychologists. We'll
get you with somebody like all this other stuff. It's
it's on the players to produce. I just I you know,
it's like NFL team to get mad as you know,
it's like one guy sucks in one place and.
Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
He and he's great in another. You know who does that?
Who does that? Blame fall on?
Speaker 16 (01:54:56):
Fall on the GM that denied they drafted the guy.
Everybody said, this is a win, but then he doesn't produced.
Sometimes it's just all the player has to produce.
Speaker 6 (01:55:04):
Well, I mean, and that's what we do. I mean,
it's a good example right there with you know, when
he drafts someone, especially in the NFL, and it doesn't
work out, it's, oh, well, what the hell did you
see in them? I mean, you know the guy behind
him is a multi time pro bowler. How did you
not you know, come a deck guy more than the
other guy. I mean, there's a certain amount of risk
in all of this. You're you're going to miss it's
going to happen. You're going to pull off a trade
(01:55:26):
that doesn't work. You're going to have a signing that
doesn't work out. It's a tale as old as time
in all sports, not just with the Astros and in baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
Yeah, I just again, like Dana Brown.
Speaker 16 (01:55:40):
You know, does he have some faults and some blame
and all this, sure, but you know, I think he's
he's tried to do the best with the hand that
he was dealt with.
Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Keep in mind, his.
Speaker 16 (01:55:50):
His priority when he was first brought in was to
rebuild back this farm system. You know, he's got a
scout background, and largely they have done that with limit resources.
Keep in mind that the Keating scandal repercussions losing UH
top draft picks in multiple years hurt because then you know,
your your few top prospects you had, you end up
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trading away at the trade deadline the last couple of years,
you know, get to go bring back Verlander for another run.
Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
You get rid of Joey Loprafino and other guys that
you were high on.
Speaker 16 (01:56:20):
So it's like, you know, you can't build back the
farm system if you keep selling every trade deadline too. So, uh,
what's been miraculous though, is a lot of these guys
they've brought up from the farm system that were not
thought of his high powered prospects that have turned into something.
So you know, that's that's been great. But you know,
largely this bullpen has been pretty solid for guys that
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weren't even on the radar two years ago, from Brian
King to you know, the list goes on and on
on like they've done a pretty good job all things considered,
but eventually your your hands get tied a little bit.
Speaker 6 (01:56:54):
Well that's just it. I mean, if you're gonna do
the blame for Christian Walker, then you got at least
a knowledge the credit for Taylor Scott last year, Estakperetis
and Cam Smith this year, Brian King even last year,
Bennett SUSA, Steven Okertz, cayleb Bortz. I mean, you get
my point here. So a lot of the moves that
he has made have paid off for this team and
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have kept them in contention. So I've said it at
numerous times, Gordy. The only the only issue with Joe
Aspada and with Dana Brown in a lot of people's
eyes is they're not aj Hinch and they're not Jeff Luno, which,
by the way, aj Hinch's club also in the same
position that you're in right now. So keep that in
mind food for thought for some of you out there.
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Seven one three two one two five seven ninety from
one Brad we Go to another one. Brad, good morning,
Good morning.
Speaker 17 (01:57:44):
You know, I love alto Bay like everybody else says,
but I guarantee you he's not gonna last these four
years just for the sake of getting three thousand hits.
And in the meantime, you're going to sacrifice Bryce Matthews
guys like that, just for the sake of keeping Al
tub so he can get his three thousand hits.
Speaker 9 (01:58:05):
You gotta make a.
Speaker 17 (01:58:06):
Decision on Al two B two, Maybe keep him another year,
and then I mean you got to bring up Bryce Matthews.
Speaker 9 (01:58:12):
He's sitting there getting stale. He's already beat up Triple A.
Speaker 17 (01:58:17):
He's ready to be elevated, and you've got to get
in time at second base. I mean, instead you got
Al tuve Is. I hate to say it is he's
the astro of all time, but he's gonna become a
problem because he's gonna You're gonna lose your young guys
because of keeping him.
Speaker 6 (01:58:37):
Appreciate the call. I mean, you gave Bryce Matthews a
chance in aside from the series out in Arizona this year,
he looked like a guy that was not ready for
major league pitching quite yet. Now we could get the
spring training next year, Gordy, and he is ready, and
maybe that is when we see the full on jose
L two v out there in left field with some
of the perceived logjam that the Astros could have. But
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I mean again, it gets back to the same conversation
two of what it's got four years left on his deal,
three years left on his deal. So what you're gonna
eat ninety million dollars just to send jose L twove away.
That's not happening.
Speaker 16 (01:59:14):
Yeah, and again history has shown he's he's been too
good of a hitter. You know, he is thirty five,
But you got to think that there's still some really
good baseball in their left end. I mean, he's still
got some pop. You know, he's still hit some home
runs this year, So you know, it is what it
is like him, Korea, Christian Walker, they are all under
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contract not just next year, but the year after on
Or and on Avaras as well. That this has to
be your core four that produce and everybody else can
fill in the gaps. You know, maybe it's only one
more year of Jeremy Payne or two years rather with
twenty six and twenty seven years of arbitration. Okay, we'll
ride that train pill till it runs out. But again,
(01:59:56):
if they do fall out, which it does feel like
at this point, they will, barring a miracle, you know,
they do still have some some you know, nice pieces
moving forward. And you know, I look last night with
notwithstanding with Hazu Sanchez, he's got two more years of arbitration.
Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
You've got team control over him. In that trade.
Speaker 16 (02:00:18):
Ramon Urius, he what he has another year of arbitration,
so you got control over him for another So you
got a lot of guys like this roster is not barren.
You've got a lot of dudes the next couple of years. Uh,
Paradis has a couple more years of arbitration. So it's
you know, his team is still pretty loaded. It just
it's about of getting everybody healthy. That's that's the biggest thing.
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I mean, Dan, if they had had this mass, uh
you know, counting of injuries like this, this would have
been a playoff team. Hands down, they would have been
a playoff team, probably a division winner.
Speaker 6 (02:00:49):
Now that's the frustrating part of where they are right now.
I mean where you just look at a lot of
different series, a lot of different games this year that
ended up being the difference for this team and hence
why they find them the situation they're in right now,
Logan Chris Roger Brandon. See you guys, right there, a
couple of spots open for it. If you want to
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Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
Emotionally tied to the team. The Sean Salisbury Show continues, Hi,
let go.
Speaker 6 (02:03:37):
Chris wants to weigh in. Good morning, Chris.
Speaker 23 (02:03:40):
Hey, Well, I guess we're not in a good place here.
I feel like we're in the middle of the seesaw
in which direction we're going to go wrestle on exactly
the guy we didn't want it to rest on, which
is Fromber. Do we get great Fromber? Or do we
get more drama than a room full of sixteen year
old girls fromber That being said, emotional Meat wants us
(02:04:03):
to make the playoffs, wants us to even though I
know we're probably gonna get run in a division series.
Logical me says, we've got at least two guys one
that's out there playing right now, and then jord On.
If we make the playoffs, they're gonna do a tape
it and play and really they need to get themselves healthy.
Same with Hater, So you know, I guess we'll see
(02:04:24):
how it plays out and I'll be ready for the
spring training schedule to come out. Also, CJ Stroud with
that ridiculous Mariner's hat. This has been covered before. That's
tom foolery. It was covered with Lebron James with his
New York hat in Cleveland. And I'm just gonna do
an MLA site and cite Carl from Rosemead in the
(02:04:46):
Jungle in two thousand and five. Dude, wearing that hat
is like showing up to a party with a boner
and sweatpants.
Speaker 10 (02:04:53):
I'm out, Rackham, yeah, or should I have done that?
Speaker 6 (02:05:04):
I guess we're kind of infringing on Clinton's gimmick right there.
But it's a great call yeah, Chrissy, New Orleans. Great guy.
But I mean, you know, yeah, and I know that
CJ talked about it a little bit yesterday. I mean,
I think he's just a guy that just he throws
on a hat, just he doesn't even think about it.
But I don't know. I mean, maybe is that somebody
(02:05:26):
pulls him aside next year and just says, I don't know,
maybe maybe throws maybe maybe throwing a few more rockets
and Astro's hats. I mean, we do know he's adopted.
Speaker 16 (02:05:35):
That's the thing that that happens out there in culture.
People are like they you know, you'll see somebody wearing
a Yankees hat and then somebody will go, hey, go Yankees,
and they go what and they go, oh, I just
like the hat. I just like the color. Or I'm
a jay Z fan. I just like a jay Z
words his hat, so I wear it. Who was the
New York Yankees? I don't fault baseball Like that's what
there's people out there like, I guess, okay, whatever, But
(02:05:57):
like it is in cons to when you had a
guy like JJ Watt here at his prime that would
put on for the home teams, right like JJ Watt.
Speaker 6 (02:06:06):
It was almost too much. Honestly, it like it was
like it was almost like, okay, like enough pandering, dude,
we get it, Like you love Houston, thanks, but.
Speaker 16 (02:06:15):
Even still in contrast to you're gonna wear the hats
of our rivals, what.
Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
Do you do it? Dude?
Speaker 6 (02:06:21):
Well, I mean I am with you on the because
I mean me and you both were college football fans,
and I think people know who we root for. But like,
for example, like I'll wear Notre Dame stuff, I'll wear
USC stuff. I mean, you know, Georgia stuff, any of
those things. And what always cracks me up is though
you're a this fan now, Like I wear a Florida
State shirt one day and I was like, no, I
just like the shirt, Like I know they are and
(02:06:43):
I don't root against them, but no, like I'm an
LSU fan and I'm gonna still be an LSU fan.
It's just I like the shirt. I mean, I'm with
them on that.
Speaker 16 (02:06:53):
And C is from La So like again, if you
were the Dodger sad, Okay, I get it, But like
wear Mariners and Yankees and it's like I get you know,
people like oh, he's a fan of this rapper who
or Mariners said, okay, fine, but like it's still is
weird when literally the other pro team in town is
in a division race with that other team.
Speaker 1 (02:07:13):
It's just a weird you know, it's just a weird dynamic.
Speaker 16 (02:07:16):
How would he feel if Reed Shepherd did a uh,
you know a thing yesterday at the Wolf Lodge, Like
what if he showed up where the Titans hat? Like Titans,
you're from Kentucky. Yeah, I just I just like to
the hat.
Speaker 1 (02:07:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's just weird, Like why would you you know.
Speaker 6 (02:07:30):
Well, that's that's where the PR staff has to step in,
you know, before he hits the podium and be like here, hey,
let me let me hold on to that. Well, no
I need a hat? Well don't.
Speaker 16 (02:07:37):
And if he's going to thee that night, and where's
it and where's the Maratha Okay, but like to wear
a press conference for the Houston team, It just it's
a little strange.
Speaker 6 (02:07:46):
Someone three two, one, two, five seven ninety is the
number to get in. Brandon wants to win. Good morning Brandon,
Good morning Dan?
Speaker 20 (02:07:54):
How are you good Man?
Speaker 24 (02:07:56):
How are you Gordy?
Speaker 20 (02:07:57):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
Hey? Brand?
Speaker 16 (02:08:00):
And you got to bring the positivity man, we need
uh we need to win these next four.
Speaker 24 (02:08:06):
Yep, Dan, do you number what we talked about it
last week about the Astros.
Speaker 6 (02:08:15):
No, you're gonna have to remind me, man, we need
to win you I mean, well, yeah, they've needed to
win for the last five games. That's been the problem, Brandon.
So I mean now that they're on for the final
four games, yeah, that's that's what they need to do.
Speaker 24 (02:08:35):
Number One, we got by Seattle.
Speaker 6 (02:08:38):
Uh all too all too.
Speaker 24 (02:08:40):
Well, let's try to beat the sweep with.
Speaker 6 (02:08:47):
Well, I mean you can at least try to get today.
Appreciate it, buddy, at least try to get today. And
then you've got three against Stanaheim, who excuse me, Los
Angeles of Anaheim, who have been on a slide themselves,
and they've even started, you know, kind of packing it
in for the season, probably about three weeks ago they
started packing it in. So you should be able to
(02:09:07):
handle that business. But again, could and should are two
different things, especially with this lineup and how they performed
this year. Squeezing one more before we get to Astros
GM Dana Brown, Roger wants to weigh Roger, good morning, Good.
Speaker 25 (02:09:20):
Morning, fellas. Maybe they go about I told them if
you go forward and see you might have a chance.
So it makes you start now they wish on the
on the on the hitting coach maybe is if bluence
is run dry. I know they dropped in Hasiusanchez and
the other guy the turn base, and just I don't
see them doing the due diligence make I don't know,
(02:09:41):
I don't know if they they I know they have
access to all the pitching trends, their tendencies, what they've
done before in their history. They've had the bat against
the pitcher, and I know they have all that to
their disposal. How are they really using it? And another thing,
I mean back then when we were you know, when
we're hitting the cover off the ball and we got
Brantley and pregnant and Korea even, and they were all
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peering up to the dugout and just really you know,
being being coached on that net dugout and just you know,
catching tails, maybe kipping pitches and stuff like that. We
just don't have that anymore. It's it's a big it's
a big influential gap that we're missing. And I just
hope that if we don't get we don't get to
the playoffs. You know, maybe they can adjust some of
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that that some of that stuff that you know, those
gets unseen you know during the games, and uh, the
pitching lineup is really going to be in the first
shake up. I think just take Doug Gallen going to
see somebody because once they get into the afteref were
by and large we do make pictures, you know, make
them a better version of themselves, by and large.
Speaker 6 (02:10:46):
Well that's all appreciate it. I mean, real quick here, Gordon,
before we get set up for Astros GM Dana Brown,
I mean, could that kind of be the built in Hey,
this is why we brought back Jesus Sanchez, this is
why we brought back Christian Walker, all of these guys
that if you do make the hitting coach change, all right,
let's see how let's let's let's see how a different
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voice affects them this year and working with them over
the offseason gets them ready for this season and see
if the results follow.
Speaker 16 (02:11:15):
Yeah, real quick, we had a few people on Twitter,
Ryan says Astros are at their best when they showed
patients at the plate. Since August they have been in
press mode and playing pit no joy. Yeah, I mean
it does feel like, you know, so many of these
innings are such quick innings, swinging at the first pitch.
It's like they when they were at their best, it
was working account all right. He battled back from both
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to it's now a full count, you know, And and
Alex Bregman was a big part of that. He's historically
he has always been that guy that worked in the
deep counts. And then Danny chimes and he says, hope
you guys have tough questions to Dana Brown.
Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
I mean I don't I don't know what tough questions
do you want to?
Speaker 16 (02:11:52):
Like, he's doing us a favor, coming on, So do
you want us to put Dana on the spot?
Speaker 1 (02:11:56):
Go data? Do you think you should have your job? Like,
come on, man.
Speaker 16 (02:11:59):
We were like, we're you know, we're gonna ask, We're
gonna ask the tough questions in the context of baseball.
But gosh, so many people just want they want to
head on a spit, they want heads the role.
Speaker 6 (02:12:08):
Yeah, no, I mean being in danger and missing the postseason.
We'll sure do that. Speaking of Dana, we'll talk with
them next as the Astros GM doing just us here
on the Seawan Salisbury Show for his weekly visit as
we continue along here on a Thursday of Sports Talk
seven ninety.
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Speaker 2 (02:13:12):
The Sean Sounds Very show continued.
Speaker 6 (02:13:16):
Let's just start offensively, just overarching view of the season.
One hundred and fifty eight down, so for more to go.
What have been your impressions twofold of the team's collective
approach at the plate, but also just the overall production.
Do we have Dana, Dana? Are you there?
Speaker 1 (02:13:36):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (02:13:37):
No, there he is, Go ahead, Dana, I'm.
Speaker 9 (02:13:39):
Sorry, so no, no problem. So yeah, the overall production.
You know, the injuries have certainly played a part, you know,
and where we are right now with the overall production,
it's been very tough. And you know what happens is
when you suffer these injuries, you got other guys trying
to pick each other up, and it's been a little
bit more good guys are put a little bit more
(02:14:00):
pressure on themselves and so it's a snowball effect right now.
And then we're feeling it, you know, because you know,
we've been struggling to score runs and so it's just
been you know, disappointing, you know, mainly because of the injuries.
But you know, the guys are still fighting through it
and trying to get through this thing, and you know
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we're still alive. You know, we're not down, but we're
still alive.
Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 16 (02:14:26):
Dana's you know, mathematically not eliminated, but it is, it
is dire. I mean, they need to win, find a
way to win here. But I mean you mentioned it.
The injuries have taken its toll. But you know, look,
have they been out of this thing two weeks ago? Okay,
we get it. It was it was insurmountable injuries can't overcome.
And yet here they are still, you know, mathematically with.
Speaker 1 (02:14:47):
A chance here.
Speaker 16 (02:14:47):
But you know, is there any message you guys send
or mister Crane sends to the team in this situation,
or is it just kind of this is on Joe
to to rally the troops here, get these guys.
Speaker 1 (02:14:58):
Going and win these last games.
Speaker 9 (02:15:02):
Look, we we look at it as today, right, we
look at it as today. You need to get this
win today. If we win today, Detroit lous and Boston lose,
we're back to controlling our own destiny.
Speaker 22 (02:15:13):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (02:15:14):
And so that's the key. You got to get a
win today. And and and that's what's right in front
of us.
Speaker 1 (02:15:20):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (02:15:21):
You know, it's Joe's talked to the team multiple times.
You know, we've been down you know those roads, you know,
and inspiring the guys to get through it, you know,
even despite the injuries and things like that. And so look,
we we've battled, and I you know, I give Joke
a lot of credit for for keeping things together. I know,
(02:15:41):
you know, most clubs probably couldn't sustain such you know,
I mean, think about it. At one point we had
our one, two and three hitter out all at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (02:15:49):
Now we have our one and three hitter.
Speaker 9 (02:15:51):
Out right now in yourdin Opinia. And so, uh, it's
just been a absolute grind throughout this entire season with
the injuries, and the guys continue to show up every day.
And I know, you know, we're struggling on this five
game losing street. But you have to turn things around today,
(02:16:12):
you know, And and there's a chance by the end
of today we could be back controlling our own destiny.
Speaker 6 (02:16:20):
Astros GM Dana Brown joined us for his weekly visit
here on the Seawan Salisbury Show. You mentioned the injuries, Dana,
and just you know, this team fighting through one hundred
and sixty two, do you sense that there is a
little bit of a wall fatigue wise that that's been
hit by this team.
Speaker 9 (02:16:38):
Well, it looks like, you know, we've hit a wall
because we're losing, right, and so when you're winning, you
don't think you hit that wall. But I don't think
we hit a wall yet, you know. I just think
that you know, we've we've lost these five games, and
we can turn things around today. But look, we are
running out of time, make no mistakes, you know we're
(02:17:00):
we're running out of time. But we got to get
things turned around today. A win today could put it
right back. I don't think we hit a wall, though.
I think you know, we're going through a downtime at
a bad time. You know, this is not a good
time to lose five in a row.
Speaker 16 (02:17:18):
It is, uh, it is tough, like you said, and
the injuries have certainly been a big, big problem with it.
You know, kind of just just to look ahead a
little bit, you know, when you get to the off season,
just evaluating everything and uh when you look at how
I guess you guys handled managing injuries and all that,
is that something you think when we do get to
the off season, you guys will look at and the
(02:17:40):
process of everything from training to uh rehab everything because
it just I mean, it's one thing. I have a
couple of injuries day, but the insurmountable injuries you guys
have had. It almost feels like big picture, you need
to take a look at every little aspect of how
you guys handle it from from day to day and
everything with the training staff.
Speaker 9 (02:17:59):
Yeah, getting into too much right now, Here's what I
would say. Every year during the offseason, we always, you know,
have a review of, you know, what we could have
done better, Things that we could do to make the
team better, What can we do to strengthen the team,
you know, the whole thing. You know, we take a
complete look and give our assessment as a group in
(02:18:23):
baseball operations as to what we can do, what we
can do better. So I would say, in its totality,
we will take a complete look, you know, as a
staff and in baseball operations to see what we can
do better. And I would I would leave it at that.
Speaker 6 (02:18:37):
Again, Astros GM Dana Brown joining us for his weekly visit.
Hayes Due Sanchez has struggled since coming over, and he's
a guy that clearly you guys count on you you
bat him in the middle of the order. I mean,
is there anything that you can see that you know,
you guys could be able to be able to make
an adjustment over the off season to be able to
(02:18:58):
get him to reach the potential that you guys that
you were getting when you traded for him.
Speaker 2 (02:19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (02:19:03):
I mean at one point, uh, he looked electric, you know,
and in the batter's box things were going well.
Speaker 12 (02:19:09):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (02:19:10):
You know, he he had talent, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (02:19:14):
You know.
Speaker 9 (02:19:14):
The tough part is, uh, you know, sometimes you make
these trades and you thrust these guys right in the
middle of you know, high pressure, high drama, every day
pennant race, playoff chase, you know, and and and it
could be it could be overwhelming. It could be overwhelming
in the sense that you know, these guys start to
(02:19:34):
you know, put a pressure more pressure on themselves, and
you know that pressure to perform. You know, it's it
could be overwhelming at times. But you know, the guy
is very talented. He has big upside and you know
where we're trying to get him going. You know, if
we could just get him going and and squeak into
you know, the postseason, who knows. You know, this guy
(02:19:57):
may have an outstanding postseason. But we got to get
in and we still believe in the kid, We still
believe in the talent. You know, we believe in the
power and you know, but what we definitely have to
work to try to get him through this.
Speaker 16 (02:20:12):
You know, what what have you made of eastcoc Paradus
obviously busted his butt to get back here and rejoin
the team and try to give him a little bit
of offensive infusion before the end of the season. And uh,
you know, obviously he's he's playing through it and doing
his best. But what will lie ahead for him when
the off season does it is you think he'll need
a surgery, will get reevaluated or uh just kind of
(02:20:33):
what east ock Paratus has been given you.
Speaker 9 (02:20:36):
Yeah, he's going to be reevaluated. Uh, he's absolutely grinding
through it, you know. Uh, you know it feels like
at times, you know, he's playing on one leg, you know,
but you know, he's toughly enough to be out there,
you know, not one hundred percent, but grinding through every
single at bat. And and and we will make an
(02:20:58):
evaluation once he's you know, he's our medical staff this offseason.
Hopefully you know, things that heal completely and he'll be okay.
But he is certainly grinding through each and every at
bat right now, trying to provide you know, help to
the events that has has has gone cold again.
Speaker 6 (02:21:21):
Astros GM Dana Brown here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
Final one for you. I mean, we get all the
way to this point. Hadn't asked you about injuries? Is
there any chance that we're gonna see Yrd on Alvarez
this weekend? And what's the latest on Josh Hater and
minute Susa?
Speaker 9 (02:21:36):
Yeah, so Hater, you know, he's definitely had the and
and another MRI and and and it looks like everything
is healing, but he's still in no throw and so
you know, we're still waiting on him, you know, in
terms of you know, Susa. Look, uh, Susa is still
(02:21:57):
a guy that you know, we feel confident that we
you know, we we can get into the postseason, that
we can potentially get him.
Speaker 1 (02:22:04):
Back, you know.
Speaker 9 (02:22:05):
And you know Alvarez, you know, he's not doing any
baseball activity, you know, but he's at least uh, you know,
walking and doing some small things, you know, on that ankle.
And you know, this is one of those ankles that
you know oftentimes you know, it's more than you know,
four weeks and we're trying to squeeze everything in, but
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he's he's still grinding into it, but no baseball activity
at this time.
Speaker 6 (02:22:30):
I know I said that was the last one, but
obviously can't end without asking you about yesterday's news. How
much of a bummer about Luis Garcia.
Speaker 9 (02:22:40):
Yeah, I mean Garcia has fought his way back and
he tried to you know, get back and provide us
some help. You know, he had you know, a few
a few outings here, you know, look promising at times.
And it's a bummer, you know, it's a bummer that
he's you know, gonna have to go back on nice
(02:23:00):
and you have surgery. You know, we'll have more detail
you know, from the doctor once they go in. But
it's really tough, you know, it's just it's like it
caps off our entire season with all of these injuries.
You know, I think we've been hit the worst, you know,
out of all the clubs with with just all of
(02:23:22):
these injuries.
Speaker 1 (02:23:23):
And you know, I'd like.
Speaker 9 (02:23:25):
To say, look, we get this game today, or we
could really turn this entire season around if we can
just squeeze into the postseason. So but yeah, certainly, you know,
the injury bug has got us in Garcia. It was
very tough news.
Speaker 6 (02:23:41):
To deal with absolutely Astros GM. Dana Brown. You want
to see every single week, Dana. Hey, really appreciate the time,
and hopefully we'll be catching up with you again next week.
Speaker 1 (02:23:51):
That would be wonderful.
Speaker 9 (02:23:54):
Let's go Astro fans. We still have four left.
Speaker 6 (02:23:56):
There, we go Astros GM. Dana Brown. Thanks, Dana, really
appreciate It's all right, So we'll come back react to
some of the things that Dana talked about with me
and Gordy, and also get you set up for the
Matt Thomas Show with Ross right here. If you want
to get in someone three two one two five seven
ninety can get someone three two one two five seven ninety.
It is the Shawn Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 2 (02:24:19):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show. Sales GREA. That's good.
Speaker 6 (02:24:25):
Some of the things, Gordy, you know that we talked
about with Dana, you know, start first with the very
first thing we talked about, and that was, you know,
just the offense, the lack of production at times this year.
And you know, as I've perceived and most of us
have perceived, not much changing in terms of their approach
at the plate, but injuries really taking their toll on
(02:24:46):
that group. That's at least what he believes.
Speaker 16 (02:24:49):
Yeah, I like he was, you know that he kind
of gave me an answer to my question. I mean, look,
something's got to change again. If i'm if I'm Jim Crain,
I'm I'm looking at the training staff saying, guys, something's
got to change the softings.
Speaker 1 (02:25:02):
Because this is absolute insanity to have.
Speaker 16 (02:25:05):
I mean, basically, what a third of your roster on
the injured list at some point this year. That's it's
absolute Nutso so I'm glad you gave that answer. It
was just it was tough having that interview Dan, because
it's almost like that, look, what's their percentage chest to
make the playoffs right now?
Speaker 1 (02:25:22):
Ten percent? I mean it's it's low. So it's hard.
Speaker 16 (02:25:25):
It was hard not for me to be looking ahead
and asking him off to these questions when you know
he's still in the mindset, let's win today and we're
still in that it's gonna take a miracle.
Speaker 6 (02:25:35):
Well, I mean it is, And this is the position
you put yourself in. I mean, just winning one of
these last two games, you would have been fine. You
would have still been in the postseason picture, and at least,
you know, with an opportunity now to you know, win
one of you know, these games in this series and
be able to set yourself up for a chance. But
(02:25:55):
I mean, now it's where you've got to win all
four of these and that might not even be an
I mean, you know, like I said about Detroit earlier,
they're going to win again. You would think they're not
going to lose their final eleven games of the season.
So how many do they win? Do they win today
and then win two in Boston they do that, you're done,
You're out.
Speaker 1 (02:26:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (02:26:15):
Losen to a team that doesn't even have a city
is nuts. I mean, they don't even given him about
the A's and Sacramento, like what it's gosh, we looked
at the schedule. What's the Angel's piece of cake? Two
out of three? Two out of three?
Speaker 6 (02:26:29):
How about don't get swept well, I mean it's kind
of the problem this year two out of three on
the road to the White Sox earlier this year getting
swept by the A's and now you could possibly get
swept again by the A's today. But hopefully that's not
the case again. One point thirty Astros on deck coming
your way. The Matt Thomas show with Ross coming up next.
By the way, they're at Big City Wings Tuckerton Road
(02:26:50):
out there in Cyprus, so stop by have some lunch
with the boys. But anyway, Gordy, appreciate your time. Chris
Gordy in for Sewn Salisbury. He's Triple, Emmanuel Elmore, Dan
Matthews here with you as we will talk to you
in twenty hours right here on your home of the
Astros Sports Talk steven ninety now
Salsbury.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh very susy, Okay, let's do this.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Sewn Salisbury to usc Troup, longtime friend, Shawn Salisbury.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Dan matthewscuse, this is the Sewn Salsbury Show. Six to
nothing the Astros with four games remaining, now a game
behind Detroit for the final wildcat spot in the American League.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
You never want to hit this funk this day in
the season when games matter so much, So we have
to show up tomorrow and we gotta go out there
and and and get the win no matter what. So
that's his type of game set and Tallia tomorrow and
every single day from now on.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
We're starting to mark.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
Oh no, the season comes down to fromber Valdez on
the mountain tonight and with that we say away we go.
Good morning here Shawn Salisbury show, Sports Talk seven to ninety.
As the Stros last night lose six nothing to the
A's and the postseason hopes, as we mentioned on our
seven ninety Twitter account, dwindling by the moment, a game
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back of the Detroit Tigers now for the final wildcard spot.
Red Sox beat the Blue Jays, so it's pretty much
now just down to that final spot. If the Astros
are able to get in, then they would face the
whoever the three seed is, which I believe would be Cleveland.
So yeah, that's great a team that's been playing their
best baseball this season right now, and then the Astros
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if you somehow are able to win these final four games,
and more than likely you have to bring back Hunter
Brown to pitch on Sunday, because you would need every
single one of these games now, including today with Fromber
and then tomorrow night, Saturday nights and then Sunday afternoon
they're in Anaheim for a chance. So the task is
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quite herculean here for the Astros. As yet again, I
mean last night, the A's able to get after the
Astros with quality at bats, good production, they out hit
you eight to five. So you got two more hits
than you did the night before. I guess that's nice.
You actually got an extra base hit. Okay, same deal.
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I guess that's nice. But yet again, I mean just
absolute offensive futility. And it's to the point here where
you know, we played the quote right there in our
show open from Carlos Korea, and that's nice, but you're
tired of hearing about funks. You're tired of hearing it.
That's baseball. I mean, you know, I gave you the
Mauricio du Bond quote the other day, and it's like, mo,
(02:40):
nobody wants to hear that from you, man. Seriously, nobody
wants to hear that. Like people want to hear we're
pissed off. People want to hear we got the guys
in this clubhouse, which, in fairness has been said, but
we got the guys in this clubhouse that should get
this job done, and you're getting none of those things.
So I don't know, I don't I don't know if
it's just a general just being resolved to the fact
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that this team knows that they're out of gas and
fatigued and just you know, don't really feel like that
they can be able to get into the postseason and
do anything of consequence. But this is an incredibly disappointing
finish to this season because you left LA early in
July and you were twenty games above five hundred. You're
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now ten games above five hundred. So do basic math. Ever,
since that series they're in early July, you're ten games
under five hundred. You're basically finishing right now. The way
that you started last season. These seasons are pretty much
the same. It's just polar opposites in terms of how
they started and how they finished. Because last year the
Astros had a good finish. They were down by ten
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games to the Seattle Mariners, and they found a way
to be able to battle back and have a chance
to be able to have an opportunity to you know,
win the AOST and they did that. And then this
year the shoe was on the other foot. They were
the Mariners. This year they were the ones who had
a seven and a half game lead on the Mariners,
and then Seattle, unlike you, went out the deadline, got
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Josh Naylor, got a Haino Suarez and brought up some
of their young guys, and their pitching continued to be
really good, and Julio Rodriguez was Julio Rodriguez, and cal
Raley obviously having a season that he probably will never
have again. But credit to the Mariners. They won this division.
And I don't know if the same thing was being
(04:29):
said on KJAR or any of the other stations up
there in Seattle last year, but the Mariners won this thing.
And I mean the Astros just down the stretch again
just completely folded and played their worst baseball at the
absolute worst time. And I understand injuries, I understand all
of that, but yet again last night, let's let's just
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do a quick exercise here of going through the box score.
Jose Al tuve Wed think he's pretty good, right Well,
he gets a bloop single late in the game, but
one for three out of him hitting two sixty three
with the seven sixty seven ops this year, is that good?
Not by his standards? He sucked, peretis. He gets a
hit last night, one for four, two for four night
out of Carlos care up at both singles, one for
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four out of Christian Walker, but again two strikeouts out
of him, and the one hit was the one extra
base hit that you were able to muster last night,
Hayesus Sanchez. I think most of us are pretty much
done with Hazus Sanchez, right. I think we can agree
on that. You heard Ari Alexander in with me yesterday
and all the way back to Monday mentioning that he's
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a non tender candidate, and I probably have to believe
that that's seriously on the table with them, because since
he's come over, he's been nothing I mean, he's been
actually less than nothing for you. You've gotten absolutely nothing out
of him, and last night too, defensively he cost you.
So there's that with him. Jiner Diez having probably the
(05:58):
worst year that he's had in his young career two
fifty four, and they flashed the graphic up last night
on Space City Home Network of his chase rate highest
chase rate in baseball, which I don't think really surprises
most of us because you see that front foot, one
handed swing that somehow he just hasn't learned yet to
lay off this season, and you see the results out
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of him, zero for three. Jake Myers is pretty much
regressed back to what we expected Jake Myers to be
this season, and I think the calf injury obviously slowed
him down from having the career year that he was having.
But he's still hitting two ninety two with seven to
twenty seven ops. But he goes Ohver three last night,
and then Zach Cole, he's probably run out of gas too,
and you're probably starting to see that major league pitchers
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know how to pitch him. And then Ramonirius, you can't
really expect much out of him offensively, but I mean,
that's the tail of tape with the Astros, and that's
the way that it's been for much of this season.
You're not a team that slugs, you're not a team
that does anything remotely somewhat capable offensively, and your pitching
has been really good. But then even that has started
(07:05):
to wane a little bit for you. So yeah, I mean,
it can't really surprise you that the Astros are in
this situation. I think a lot of us coming into
this season probably thought a wildcard spot would be a
good spot for this team because well, I mean, Sean
included when we did our preseason predictions picking the Rangers.
Remember opening Day, we had Robert Flores on from MLB
Network the Rangers are gonna win the West. Well, I mean,
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if there is a silver lining to this, well at
least that they they didn't get anywhere close to reaching
the expectations that they thought they had for themselves this season.
But it doesn't really comfort any of us because where
you heard what Jim Crane said a few years ago.
As long as I'm here, the window will remain open.
And that's gonna be the interesting thing here because I
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understand that twenty twenty five is not done yet, but
I think most of us mentally are done with the
twenty twenty five season, like I think most of us
are just saying, regardless of when it ends, just end
and let us start looking forward to twenty six and
seeing how this team looks. And I saw a tweet
from Rossville Rial last night that I never honestly thought
(08:09):
that i'd see from him, but it makes a lot
of sense. With the way that this season has gone.
Now you have to wonder if, indeed some conversations are
going to be had this offseason and if not blowing
this thing up. Can't remember exactly how he wrote it,
I'll have to go back and look at it. But
there's gonna be some significant changes in this organization, and
I think that you're going to see it both with
(08:30):
personnel on the field, but I think you're also going
to see it organizationally too. And I'm not talking about
Joe and Dana. I think they're safe, but you're going
to look at your coaching staff. But even before that,
you're going to look at your medical and strength and
conditioning staff. Absolutely you are, because I think that Jim
Crane comes out of this season after last year and
what should have been egg on their face enough with
(08:52):
the Kyle Tucker injury situation and how that was handled
and how he was brought back and how it was
initially misdiagnosed, and then you did the same exact thing
again this year with Jordan Alvarez. Honestly, I think if
I'm an Astros fan, which I am and most of
us are, that I want to see that press release
come out this offseason. Wholesale changes have been made to
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the Astros medical and strength and conditioning staff wholesale, and
I think that's one too where you maybe even have
to have Jim Crane at a podium talking and saying
why they made these decisions and why they've moved on
and why they have reorganized this baseball club, because what
you're doing right now is a path to significant regression
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to where then you are forced to do what you
had to do to build this thing back up to
get it going in twenty fifteen when you made the
postseason for the first time in over ten years. So
when you try to hold onto the past, we saw that.
I mean, I think that probably if nothing else, we
saw the Astros for the longest time after they made
the World Series in two thousand and five that they
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they tried to recapture that, and they tried to reclaim
that as much as possible, and six never got off
the ground. O. Seven was pretty much an abject disaster.
And then eight nine, ten, that really was when you
started to see, yeah, this thing isn't what it used
to be. But you know, we still got Lance Berkman here,
we still got Hunter Pence, we still got roy Oswaltz,
(10:20):
you know, and yeah, the farm system's not great, all
of those different types of things. And then it was
finally right when Jim Cranon took over his owner, that
it was we got to blow this thing up and
trade these guys away. And yeah, it's gonna hurt in
the immediate I mean, you're not gonna see competitive baseball
for some time, but eventually, if you try to hold
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that off as much as possible, it'll find you. And
I don't know if we're to that point just yet
with the Stros, but it's starting to make you wonder
a little bit if indeed that is the case. I mean,
seeing that the run is over, well, I mean it's
looking like, yeah, the postseason run is gonna be over
I mean that sucks, but you still have players in
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this organization and a good enough core where I think
probably if you do some significant retooling. And I don't know,
I mean, is that a trader two of guys that
maybe you wish that you would not trade away to
take a step back for a year or two, to
try to build up the farm system again and get
some reinforcements there yet again and be able to build
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up your depth within the organization to have a chance again. Sure,
maybe that's a chance. I don't know, but we'll just
have to wait and see. All Right, we'll continue to
talk to the astros if you want to, if you
want to get in on the conversation seven one three
two one two five seven ninety against seven one three
two one two five seven ninety as, so we'll go.
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I'll get Sean involved two as he's back from Hawaii.
So we got all of that. Says, we're just getting
going here on a Thursday edition of The Sewn Salisbury
Show Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Let's go on.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show. Three two one two
five seven ninety is the number two. Get in and uh,
you know last night too, just saw that Ari Alexander,
I guess was watching the A's broadcast a little bit,
and apparently Dallas Braden, who is on the A's broadcast
used to pitch for them, said that the Astros were,
(12:19):
quote frankly, a lifeless ball club. So that's a good
It's not around this club every single day season enough, obviously,
with as much as you play the A's and divisional play.
But if that's somebody who at least from a peripheral
vision can see this from you, well then of course,
I mean we know what we're looking at too.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
And I mean I threw it out last night. You're
now five games into this losing streak that you have
since going into that Mariners series where you thought, okay, hey,
two out of three here, you feel good about going
into that final week of the season and having a
chance to win the West, and you get swept in
that series and you weren't even necessarily competitive in that series.
And then you carry it over here to Sacramento where
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you score one run on Monday night. Tuesday night, you
get my point, but you score one run in that game,
and you get three hits, all singles, and then until
Christian Walker got that ground rull double yesterday. You had
not had a single extra base hit in this series,
and you'd had very few guys even reached second, much
less even third base for you. So, yeah, this is
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a lifeless ball club right now. And I mean, they
can say what they want. We heard Carlos Korea and
the show open say Game seven mentality, and I think
a lot of us are kind of looking at him
and saying, well, yeah, of course it is. But where's
that mentality been for much of this season? Where's that
been since you started to kind of feel this thing
start to slip away in the middle to late parts
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of July. Like, I think that's kind of the frustration
that a lot of people have, and it's just like, oh,
so now you've got the urgency to try to do this.
But I mean, I'm skeptical, You're skeptical. We're all skeptical
that this thing really does have a chance to turn around.
And well, of course, talk that much more with you
all on the phone lines at seven one three, two,
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one two five seven ninety triple. If you could punch
up Billy please, Billy, good morning here on the Sean
Salisbury Show.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
Hey, good morning, Dan, Well I think we're all feeling
the same way. Uh, it's just, uh, well, I don't
even know what to say about this team. But you know,
that's something that's bothering.
Speaker 9 (14:26):
Me a lot, is the fact that there is.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
No life on the team and there should be some
urgency and I'm not seeing it. And has the team quit?
And uh, I think you just said it. You didn't
say those words, but it does look like this team
has quit. And watching Javier go after a pop up,
which why is a pitcher going after a pop up
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in that first in that first game, and he didn't
look like he didn't even care if he caught it
or not. And it's just every at bat, I'm watching
these guys their faces. There's there's no energy, there's nothing.
They're just lifeless. That's the right word. And when Aria
put that out, I said, that's probably the most accurate
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thing that you can say about this team. And where
does it start? And my question really is, and you
can ask Dana or if somebody can, is there something
going on internally that we don't know about. We just
found out with the Texans that there was problems with
the pull of the player. He was a cancer in
the locker room?
Speaker 9 (15:28):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (15:29):
Is there problems internally? Is somebody causing issues for this
club and they've just given up? Have they quit on Joe?
And is there a problem there? I'm a Joe's bought
a supporter and you know that. But is there problems
where the team has quit on management and they're not
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on the same page and they're just ready for the
season to be over? And twenty twenty six does need
to have serious changes? And does that mean scorched earth,
clear house, clean, clean everybody's offices out and start all
over and Dana gets to put a whole new regime
in place. And that's That's where I'm at right now,
And that may be the best thing for us, but
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I'm not sure. I hope that twenty twenty six brings
something new and better. But unless you get rid of
the problem, whatever that is, we have a cancer. You
cut out the whole cancer, this team's going nowhere and
they might as well blow it up. And that's what
I got. Good morning, guys, all.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Right, I appreciate it, Billy. The last part there, You're
never going to know that, and the only way that
you will know that is maybe next week or the
week after just whenever you get like a Chandler Rome report.
I mean, Chandler would probably be the one that would
have that for being honest. Nothing against Brian McTaggart or
Matt Kalaharaup. But I mean we all go back to
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the Fromber cross up with sasarselves are and wonder if
maybe that was if there was kind of a little
bit of resentment towards Fromber and if indeed there was
a confrontation in the clubhouse and all of those things.
I mean, I know that you know, Stallozar was a
good soldier about handling that situation, and Fromber had his take,
and Dana Brown has and everybody else, but that's never
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going to get out, at least from the club itself. Now,
if there are some you know, unnamed sources that talk
with people like Chandler, well then maybe we do find
stuff like that out. But you don't want that out
there because you don't want to signal to potential free
agents or anybody else that you're trying to add to
this team. Well, am I going to a team that's
still that team? Or am I going to a team
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of dysfunction? Like you don't want any of those things
out there, but it does make you wonder. And I mean,
I'm never going to use the Q word because these
are professionals and it is how they keep their livelihood
and how they keep their careers going. But at least
if nothing else, I mean, Billy, I don't blame you
that thought does creep into your mind because I mean, yeah,
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you have the play on Tuesday night where you're looking
at Christian Walker and I mean Carlos Korea trying to
run over and grab it as best he can on
the pop up on the infield where it's oh, you know,
Walker didn't see it. It's a major league baseball player,
see the baseball.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
See it.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Like it's that simple. See the baseball. I mean, and
I understand that mistakes happen, and I understand that airs happened,
and that's going to be part of the game. But
it's like, no, dude, you're a major league baseball player.
I don't care what the light stanchions are. See the baseball.
Make a play. I mean, that's really that simple. And
I mean, and that's kind of the frustration that we've
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had this year with this team, where I mean, you know,
something like that happens and then afterwards in the clubhouse
you hear, oh, well that's baseball.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
No, your fan base that is used to you making
the postseason, and you created these expectations. You did, as
I mentioned Jim Crane's words, as long as I'm here,
the championship window remains open. And this has been a
club that for the longest time lived a great existence
of We knew that probably it was going to be
nothing less than this team making it as one of
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the final two teams in the American League at the
end of the season in the championship series. So you
created that, and you still got Jose al Tuove here,
you added back Carlos Korea, you didn't have Yordan Alvarez
for much of this season. I understand what all feeds
into it. But at the same time, though, too, the
fan base has a right to be frustrated and annoyed,
and they're not spoiled for feeling this way, not even close.
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You've paid good money. You weighed your entire life to
see this. I say it all the time that there's
a lot of people who've forgotten what it's like to
be an Astros fan. Well, unfortunately, I think we're relearning
what it's like to be an Astros fan, because this
was our existence for the longest time. It was, Hey,
if they make the postseason, oh man, this is awesome.
I better get to the ballpark because I don't know
if I'm going to see this again. And I mean,
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I think that we had the proper reaction to winning
the World Series in seventeen and twenty two, as we should,
because it's the pinnacle of the sport. It's amazing. It's
a great feeling, and you love being the ones that
you can wear your Astros gear around and people say,
oh man, great baseball club. And now all of a sudden,
you're just another team, and that sucks, and it sucks
to kind of, you know, get back to that reality.
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But I mean runs do, and you know, runs do
run their course, and I mean, I think we kind
of had that feeling that it was starting to look
that way after you lost the LCS the Rangers in
twenty three, and last year it played out that way,
but then this year it had promise where you're like,
all right, they've regained that form. They're good and now
ten games under five hundred since you left Dodger Stadium
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in early July, and you find yourself just barely clinging
to a wildcard spot at the moment, which, again, as
I mentioned, the tiebreakers go to Detroit, they go to Cleveland,
and they go to Boston. You're not catching Boston at
this point. You got four games left there, essentially two
and a half games up on you. Now for the wildcard,
they would have to completely get swept, which would not
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be good for you because they're playing against Detroit this weekend.
So if nothing else, you kind of wouldn't mind Boston
still thinking that they're fighting for this thing and being
as competitive as possible this weekend against the Tigers, which
for the way that we're feeling here, I'm sure it's
probably the same way in Detroit, even though they've got
the tie breaker over you too. Everybody has a tie
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breaker over the Astros now. So the only way you're
getting in is you have to win out. There is
no other opportunity, there is no other path to making
the postseason. You have to win out. You have to
win the day, you have to win tomorrow, you have
to win Saturday, and you have to win Sunday. And
the Astros just really look like that is not going
to be an attainable goal for them. Wan in Mott Bellevue,
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Speaker 11 (23:48):
Good morning, gentlemen, same time, same place. Unfortunately, same doom
and gloom for the Astros. So I have a take,
and I think I might have gone over it a
little bit, But I don't think Joe A.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
Spotta has control of the clubhouse.
Speaker 11 (24:06):
I think there's a lack of respect there and that
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Speaker 12 (24:09):
Was brought back to be a quote unquote leader. Leadership
doesn't start with the teammates. Leadership doesn't start with the players.
Leaders starts on the top. There's a different aura around
the team whenever Dusty was in charge. And there's reasons
why other teams didn't take Joe Spotta whenever he was
being interviewed for other jobs. I feel like coaching needs
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to be looked at, especially.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
A Spata and our hitting coach.
Speaker 11 (24:36):
Why can't we bring back Michael Brandley let him be
the hitting coach.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
I'll shut up in this thanks guys.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
All right, Like, well, and I'm not saying this about you,
but like the Michael Brantley thing like number one, what
even makes you believe that he wants to do it?
And I mean until there is a job open, I
mean it's kind of a non discussion, but I mean
the guy retired and is living in West Palm Beach
because he said he wants to be a dad, and
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he wants to be married and he wants to be
able to just live the post baseball life. So he
does that gets right back into it course of one
sixty two. I mean, I've heard anyone even remotely intimate
that he wants to even do this. But in terms
of offensively, yeah, this has been a slide for you
for the last couple of years, and that is one
(25:26):
that not calling for jobs. But I do think that
that is going to be one of the first things
you do hear about is that you will hear there
is a new hitting coach here. Because I've said it
before that going and getting new hitting coaches doesn't necessarily
mean you're going to be successful. Look at the Rangers,
even before Marcus Simeon and Carlo Corey Seger got hurt.
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They were a very underwhelming offense this year, even worse
than you were. And they made a hitting coach change
in the middle of the season and they brought in
Brett Boone. Didn't necessarily work, not really. As a matter
of fact, the results were pretty much the same, maybe
even got it worse. But for the Astros, for the
offensive firepower we believe they have, and I understand that's
an aging Jose Altov and Carlos Korea is probably not
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as powerful as he used to be at the plate,
and you didn't have Jordan Alvarez for much of the season.
I understand there's built ten excuses with it, but this
is still a team with the some of the parts
that you have that should not be middle of the
pack to lower third of Major League Baseball on offensive categories.
So yeah, I do think that he is going to
be a change this offseason, and we saw it in Seattle.
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I mean, what was the one thing that was keeping
the Mariners away from overtaking the Astros in the West
the last few years. It was their offense. And you
do get a career year out of cal Raley, Julio
Rodriguez starts to look like the guy that they thought
that they extended, and you also add a Heineo Suarez
and Josh Naylor who would fit that team like a
(26:52):
glove and have been massive additions for that club. So
all of those things kind of baked in and they
went out and got a guy that was shown the
door unceremoniously in Atlanta and Kevin Seitzer. But clearly whatever
he brought the Seattle it worked this year because they
were a very capable and very powerful offense. So I
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don't know who that would possibly be that you bring in,
but I do think that the edict this offseason, just
like bringing in Tony Parischka, was to try to improve
you defensively this year, and the Astros did improve defensively.
I don't know what the metrics are, but they were
a much better fielding team this year. This last week
and a half not included, I mean this last week
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and a half, they've looked like a pretty sloppy ball club.
But he also saw some good plays in the field
last night. But that was something that you set out
to do, and they set out and they went out
and did it. I think another thing too that you're
gonna have to look at this offseason is you need
to be able to find a way to take extra bases,
and we have not seen this team do that a
ton this year. We've seen it done to them where
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you've had hits to the outfield and a guy is
able to get second base because he knows that Jake
Myers doesn't have a strong enough arm. You're not going
to improve arm strength, but at least you can try
to counteract as much as possible with you using the speed.
And there's fast guys on this team that should be
stealing bases for this team. And I think that's something
else they're going to look at this off season is
how do we improve this team on the basis and
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being able to win games that way too, because a
lot of the little things that this club had done
for the longest time have started to now elude this club.
And the fact of the matter is you just don't
have some of the same talent you did back then.
And that's fine. That's the regression of baseball. That's what
happens in sports. Eventually, guys get older. Eventually you don't
have the replacements that you had in the past to
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come from behind them and be able to step in
and be viable players for you. So maybe that is
going to feed into this offseason where next year you're
going to draft higher, so you probably have a chance
to actually get good, meaningful prospects into your organization. And
again too, I mean you wonder if it's on the table,
if the conversations are going to be had this off
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season of not necessarily making moves to have this team
take a step forward next year, but to say let's
remain competitive, but also let's continue to have a mind
on the future, and if that means we take a
step back next year, so be it. But the beauty
of baseball now is with guys being fast tracked to
the major leagues, it's no longer a hey, if we
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full on rebuild, which that's not what I'm calling for,
but if we full on rebuild, then it's going to
take four or five years for us to even be
a viable organization. Again, no, you can turn this thing around.
Speaker 9 (29:28):
Me.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Look at the Mets just a few years ago, where
they looked like a organization that was going to need
a full on rebuild, and they had a really good
offseason and hit on some guys that they added to
their organization. And they're right back in the postseason the
following year. So it can happen, but it also too
sometimes makes you wonder, are you chasing ghosts? Are you
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looking back for something that's just not there anymore. Maybe
jose Al Tuves just not that guy anymore. Maybe we
have high expectations for a guy that just cannot meet
those expectations anymore. Hall of Fame player, no doubt about it.
But I've had some real concerns with what we've seen
out of him in the later parts of this season that, yeah,
age is starting to catch up to him a little bit.
(30:10):
So I think all of those things kind of bake
into it. But there will be changes this offseason, the
mark my words, and you will hear Jim Crane say
as much that there will be changes this offseason because
he likes having postseason baseball, and we like having postseason baseball,
but dollars and cents wise, he loves having postseason baseball
at Dyke And Park. And there's no teacher like humility
(30:34):
to be able to tell you, hey, we need to
get this thing back on track because I like that
money coming in for my organization, so we need to
find a way to be able to continue doing that,
and it doesn't look like that's going to be the
case this year. But crazier things have happened in baseball.
All right. When it comes to your to on, Josh
Hater or any of those guys, I think the decision
has pretty much been made for you, and we'll discuss
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that here as we continue along. It is the Sean
Salisbury Show here on a third Thursday, Sports Talks seven ninety.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
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Back to the Seawn Salisbury Show.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I mean, it was a long shot anyway, at least
for Hater to be able to make his way back.
I mean, you hoped that if you did start throwing
this week that maybe, just maybe if you are able
to And I think that probably the way that they've
played lately has started to slow down his ramp just
a little bit where it's just like, hey, at this point,
(33:02):
if we're in a wild card series, you're not going
to pitch in that, and you'd have to scratch and
claw to even be able to win that. It is baseball,
and all you would need is too but still get
into the divisional round. That would still be tough to
be able to have Josh Hater be part of this.
So I think that that's probably fed into this too. Jordan,
they said that there was an outside chance that he
could rejoin the club in Anaheim, but again, no baseball activities,
(33:26):
just working out in the weight room. We've heard this
song and dance before and seen it, like, we know
how this goes. Ordon Alvarez has done so when it
comes to that in these injured guys twenty twenty six,
just prepare that. I mean, honestly, at this point, what
are you preparing for at this point to get into
the postseason. That's all nice in its own merit, but again,
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you want to be able to try to make sure
that you're not in this situation again next season. I
mentioned it in the first segment of the show today
that you're more than likely going to see wholesale changes
in this organization this offseason, and I think the first
and foremost needs to be your medical staff, and I
think that first staff meeting, and usually it's one of
those that the owner will kind of address the team
(34:10):
early on in the season, maybe early on in a
off season, any of those things, and then stay away
and show up every once in a while spring training
and show up every once in a while with some games,
but for the most part, baseball operations let them do
their thing and stay out of the way. And that's
kind of the way that Jim Crane has run this thing,
even though he did tell us when he fired aj
Hinch and Jeff Luno after the cheating scandal and everything
(34:32):
that came out in twenty twenty that he was going
to be more hands on, and he still has been,
but he's still really good about This is Dana Brown
day to day operations. This is Joe a spot is
day to day operation. So medical that does need to
be looked at, because I think that needs to be
the first thing said by Jim Crane. Why do we
continue to have this happen? Why do we continue to
have where we have an initial diagnosis for something and
(34:55):
then a few weeks later we come back and we realize, oh,
it was really much more severe than we thought. I mean,
the Astros have had two embarrassing scenarios with that now
last year with Kyle Tucker and then this year with
Jordan Alvarez, where then, for whatever reason, everybody gets mad
at Dana Brown about it. Dana Brown's the messenger. Jocepott
is the messenger. Like it's honestly to the point where
(35:18):
if you're going to continue to have these things happen
to yourself and they put out the injury report, but okay, fine,
it's an injury report. Oh he's got a thigh injury.
What exactly does that mean? Oh he's got a thigh injury? Okay, cool,
I mean you're almost better off just not even saying
anything to us because you just told us nothing. I
mean I say it all the time of people who
(35:38):
say a lot of different things, and then you go
back and look listen to it and you're just like, yeah,
that was nothing whatsoever. But you've had these two embarrassing
scenarios happen to you that honestly, I mean, I've said
it before that when it comes down to this time
of the year where you're trying to retool your roster,
you're going after free agents and anybody else who can
(35:59):
choose to come here, I think you look at it
and say, do I want to join that? Seriously? Do
I want to? Because if I get injured, are you
gonna put this on me? We've heard that before, Oh
Jordon this year, Oh he gives us the thumbs up,
we're gonna have him right back in the lineup, and
then three months later we don't see Yordon Alvarez until then.
So no, it wasn't on the player at that point.
It wasn't on him to give you a thumbs up
(36:20):
and say that he was good to go. I mean,
it's just it's it's honestly, and injuries are gonna happen.
We understand that, we know that, and it's as frustrating
as the day is long. We get all of that,
but it's just also too just the continued put that
carrot in front of us, and then you don't meet
that carrot and then you're like, oh, well, you know
(36:40):
he's gonna be back with us really soon. The hell
does that even mean? So yeah, that needs to be
priority number one for this team going forward, because it
is embarrassing. It honestly is you look like you look
like a bunch of buffoons. Dude, don't know what you're doing.
And I know that that's not this organization. I know
it's not so an organization that honestly has changed the
(37:04):
reputation for themselves and change the perception of themselves almost
overnight over the last ten years. So you've got a
real opportunity to kind of rain this thing back in
into look like you're capable when it comes to things
like this again, because as it stands right now, you
do not look that way to us, to your fan base,
and probably to most people in baseball. So again, injuries
(37:26):
are going to happen. That's not lost on me. Sore
arms all of the other things hamstrings. We get it,
but it's also where things like this happen. A little
bit more transparency with it helps yourself. Joe Spotty gets
tired of answering the same questions every day. Dana Brown,
when he joins us every single week, gets tired of
answering the same questions. Why don't you cut it off
the pass and just make sure that you don't have
(37:48):
these things. Make your trainer available, make your team doctor available.
We're not asking for it every single time there's an
injury every single day, but at least, if nothing else,
you do get the story out there and the follow
ups stop at that point, and then yes, you can
just focus on baseball. So it's kind of a little
bit of a help me, help yourself kind of deal.
(38:10):
And I believe it's coming. I think that that is
gonna be one of the things you see change going forward.
But it's just another frustration that you have this season.
And say all of that for a long story short
to say, yeah, we're not seeing Jordon Alvarez or Josh
Hater for the rest of the season. In real quick here,
I mean, how bad do you feel for Luis Garcia
(38:32):
that sucks. I mean, all of that work to try
to come back last year, get shut down, all of
that work to then come back this year, make a
couple of starts, and then go right back to it,
and you got to start it all over again. You
got to feel for him. That really really sucks, and
I hate that for Luis Garcia. But we'll continue the
Astros conversation if you want to get in Seveon one
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Speaker 6 (40:34):
They're now getting back at the Detroit Tigers for the
final wildcard spot from Bervelde is going to start today
one thirty Astros on deck coming your way. You and
An Alvarez still not doing baseball activities, Josh Haters still
not throwing in Luis Garcia elbow surgery, going to miss
next season as well. Texans back on the practice field
to get ready for the Titans at home on Sunday.
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They're looking for their first win of the regular season.
Don't forget Astros GM. Dana Brown gonna join us at
nine thirty. Good morning, Chris Gordy. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Man?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah? Is there any good news?
Speaker 9 (41:06):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I mean, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
It's just here's the thing. And me and Ari talked
about it yesterday. Ari Alexander was in for Sean. You're
in for him this morning. Appreciate that. But I seriously
got to know, like who upset the sports gods? Like
when did when did it happen? Like what happened? Who
did it? Any any of those different things out there?
Like what threw all of this off for us? Because
(41:29):
I mean literally, we've gone three straight days now after
a prolonged weekend of just bad performances by Houston teams.
Like who did it?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's I don't know, I don't know who's to blame.
Speaker 16 (41:45):
It's just it is wild looking at the standings, Dan
and seeing that the Astros are five games back in
the AL West, so Mariners running away with this thing clinched,
and that the Askers are one of the worst teams
in you know, and like in terms of You're the
only team that's worse than you right now is Detroit,
who's on an eight game losing streak, but you on
(42:06):
a five game losing streak. I mean, the optimism at
least I had going into Friday out of that sweep
of the Texas Rangers. Going into Friday, you had the
Seattle Mariners coming to town, and you you felt pretty good.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Man, if we could just we could just take.
Speaker 16 (42:22):
Two out of three, we'll be sitting pretty Instead, you
get swept and now here you are in the verge
of getting swept of the oak by the whatever A's.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
This is nuts.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Yeah, it's not been fun. I mean, and you know,
if there is a team that you look at and
you just say, man, they really have our number, I
guess it's the A's this year. I mean, the fear
of Nick Kurtz is very very evident. Where you saw
Hunter Brown walk him twice last night, and I came
back to hurt you both times, but offensively for the Astros.
I mean, we've said it, and I think me and
(42:54):
you have talked about it that that four through six
pocket for this lineup right now has just given you nothing.
I mean, I don't know what it is about Christian Walker,
where like I understand, they want to believe in him,
and they and they think that he should be middle
of the order guy, Gordy. I mean, I've said it
numerous times. Fight the urge, stop doing it. Stop batting
him clean up. He's not a cleanup hitter this year.
(43:16):
Strikes out way too much, way too inconsistent, awful with
runners in scoring position. So you get that out of him.
Hazus Sanchez, I'd be just fine if for the final
four games you don't see Haesu Sanchez whatsoever, because I'm done.
I'm done with it all. I'm done with the no
pitch recognition at the plate. I mean the one at
bat where he struck out, swings over a slider that
(43:37):
almost hits him, and then looks at two fastballs that
were drivable pitches with a runner on second base, and
then don't even get me started on yinor Diaz. I mean,
it's just the chase rate, everything else with him. It's
just beyond frustrating this year. And I understand, well, who
are you gonna put in those spots literally at this point, Gordy,
anyone else?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, I mean the Sanchez thing, is bad. He was.
Speaker 16 (44:05):
He has five hits the entire month of September. I mean,
we're about to close the book on the month of September.
He's betting one oh four. I understand they wanted a
left handed bat, but I said this, you know, after
the trade deadline when they acquired him. Yes, it's one
thing to get a left handed bat. It's another thing
to get a bad left handed bat. And that's what
(44:25):
he is. Like, you wanted a left handed bat, go
get a good one.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Not a guy who.
Speaker 16 (44:32):
You know basically was batting two fifty when you got him.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Two fifty hitter last year, two fifty hitter the year before.
Speaker 16 (44:40):
I mean, this is who he is. And you go, okay, well,
maybe the average isn't great. He must slug a bunch
of home runs. No, he had ten home runs with
the Marlins this year. He had eighteen last.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Year, which was good, but fourteen the year before.
Speaker 16 (44:53):
It's kind of you know, he's just kind of a
bad hitter overall.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
And he's been.
Speaker 16 (44:58):
Even worse than an Asters uniform since he got an
Astro's uniform. And then the defensive fallob last night. I mean,
just absolutely, but you show a little effort out there, guy, Like,
I know you've been with the Marlins on a on
a piece of crap losing franchise the last four or
five years, but that's not how we do things here
on a winning organization. And some people saying like he
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should have went and sat his asked down after that,
if you're Joe A. Spata and then I've seen a
few people say, oh, well, we'll get rid of him
this offseason.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
I don't think so.
Speaker 16 (45:30):
When you acquired Hayesu Sanchez, the whole appeal was he's
got two more years of team control, he's got two
more years of arbitration. You own him, so like I've
good luck with that. Yeah, let's get rid of him.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
No, he's not.
Speaker 16 (45:43):
You get rid of getting rid of an outfielder that
you got in Drade dead at the Drade deadline. That
just I mean, and you really want to go with
Zach Cole and you know some of these young, inexperienced outfielders, Okay,
but ah man, it's it is just wild how they
give a blee attitude has completely gone out the window.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
See.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
And that's the thing is I said, I'm never going
to use the keyword, but I understand the perception that
people have of this team looks like it's quit. Like
I mean, you know, I mentioned Dallas Braden's line that
he had on the a's broadcast last night where he said,
this looks like a pretty lifeless ball club right now,
Like you get it where the fan base is frustrated,
And I said, and I also get the fan base
(46:23):
feeling that way because guess what, you created these expectations
by winning and not only getting into the postseason, but
going far in the postseason, and it doesn't look like
that's gonna happen this year.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, it's And it sucks too because you're so close.
Speaker 16 (46:37):
I mean it's you know, to get this far and
let this thing collapse in the last week really sucks
because you've overcome so much throughout this season and battled
and all the injuries.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
I get you.
Speaker 16 (46:50):
You have all the excuses in the world for not
making the playoffs, but I think everybody's hopes up in
these last two weeks and still be in control of
the Al West and still you know, people say, oh,
the astors are inevitable. That only inevitable ends, you know,
because this is this is not looking good. I mean,
I tried riding reading through the scenarios, Dan, I mean, basically,
(47:11):
what the only hope at this point is you have
to win three of these last four and Detroit has
to lose three of their last four.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
That's pretty much it. I mean, I actually would take
it a step further. I think you got to win
all four of them to even have a chance because
you're because go ahead.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Well, Detroit, they they own the tiebreak.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Garm too, right, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean,
so you need to be able to have a two
game advantage on them. So that means you need Detroit
to lose tonight and then you need them to lose
two out of three to the Red Sox in that series,
which is not inconceivable. But it's again a very tough
task last night, Hurt. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 16 (47:48):
I mean, it's so stupid when we look at the schedule,
and I said, I remember when the schedule came out,
talk about this, Durts. You know, during spring training, I
remember looking at the schedule going, man, it's crazy. You're
gonna play six games against the Division and the Rangers.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
And the Mirrors.
Speaker 16 (48:04):
But those last sex men, the league really did you
a favor saying you're gonna finish with the A's and Angels.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Oh, that'll be easy. Astros will lock.
Speaker 16 (48:10):
This thing up then and you cannot score runs on
the age you score one yet Tuesday in zero, last.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
Night five games, five games, eight runs for the Astros.
And then last night until the Christian Walker ground rule
double five hits all singles through two games, killing it,
absolutely crushing it. Joe will get you involved if you
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The Salisbury stakeout, Salsbury's takeout on the Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
It's a Thursday around these parts. Don't forget Astros GM
Dana Brown going to join us here in a couple
of hours. Strows loose last night six nothing to the
A's out there on the West Coast. They're now a
game back of the Tigers for the final wildcard spot
from Aville. Is going to start tonight try to save
the season. Or today is the more operative term, because
one thirty is when Astros on deck comes your way.
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Texans back on the practice field, get ready for the
Titans on Sunday, they're looking for their first win of
the regular season. Joe, Aggie, Doug, we'll get to you
guys here in just a second. But Gordy, I think
somebody got to the bottom of when things turned Houston
sports wise. And let me give proper credit here to
who said it on Twitter. It was Jim on Twitter
(51:31):
who said who did it? CJ Stroud when he wore
the Mariner's hat.
Speaker 16 (51:38):
I mean, I guess does that does that pair up? No's?
There was one we saw that they swept the Rangers after.
Speaker 6 (51:45):
CJ wore the Well, if I'm not mistaken, though, I mean,
didn't the Mariners go on like a six game losing
streak after he wore it? So maybe it was the Yeah,
maybe it was the Yankees hat, although he woren't on Sunday.
But I mean, and hasn't gotten any better then, and
the Yankees continue to win, they might win the Al East,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
People are really upset about that.
Speaker 16 (52:07):
By the way, who can get that into that later,
But people are really mad at what TJ's wearing.
Speaker 6 (52:12):
They are and I guess that was talked about yesterday too,
was the hats. But like I said, we'll get to
some of you all on the phone lines. But I
did have the viral moment, because that is what the
stakeout is for. Remember Andy Byron and Kristin Cabot, they
were the CEO and HR lady at the Coldplay concert.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Oh gay, I didn't know their names, but.
Speaker 6 (52:33):
Right, yeah, yeah, so you know that whole moment. Oh
you know they're two time and that's the side piece
right there, and they didn't want to be caught on
the video board.
Speaker 17 (52:42):
Well.
Speaker 6 (52:42):
A source talking with people said that Kristin and Andy
had an excellent working relationship, in a good friendship. There
was no affair. It was inappropriate to be hugging your
boss at a concert. She accepts full responsibility for it.
But the scandal, the downfall, lost a job, all of
that is unfair. That was not a hug. Like you're
married and you know and if if if you're married
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or you're in a committed relationship and you're really into
each other, like that's what that looks like, you know,
like where you're you're hugging from behind, you know, she's
got her hands on your forearms, you know, with with
you holding on to her like that's what that is.
A hug is you're standing side by side kind of
like the Aggie Warham. Sway, that's what a friendly one is.
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That's what that one is.
Speaker 9 (53:29):
Like.
Speaker 6 (53:29):
You know, me and Hot Sales Chick. I mean, if
you know, if I ran into her at a concert
and we were there and and that's happening, well then
people would probably think, oh, they're dating. But no, it's
a working relationship and that's how you handle it.
Speaker 16 (53:46):
That is a funny spin. I never thought of that
as a good excuse. But no, we were just doing
the Aggie Warham. Yeah, that's that's a excuse. I promised,
I promise it wasn't me. Well, no, we can see
it clearly was to you. All right, well you know,
hey they played the Aggie Warham. You hate the aggies.
Well that's that's a strong term. But you look, we've
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had a few drinks and you know what, it led
to another and suddenly we're we're saw in Varsity's horns.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Aw.
Speaker 6 (54:12):
That's it. That's it. That's that's all it was. But no,
that's that's you know, it's it's the old cap I
call cap. It's one hundred percent. Yeah, like that's.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
That's that's that's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (54:23):
They were definitely stupid, They were definitely getting doing other things.
And I understand an anonymous source here to people, which
by the way, too who even says that this person
he or she knows these people. She could have said
that she did. They probably looked them up on on
LinkedIn and said, oh yeah, no I know Christin and Andy.
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Really well, oh no, that's that's not what was happening.
Maybe somebody was paid off to say things like that.
I don't know, but that's one hundred percent. Just dude,
just own up to it. You're you're you're both in
an affair. It's fine, it's okay, it's not fine, but
you my point, like, your business is your business, and
you obviously have handled the consequences from it.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
It couldn't. They could have even tried. No.
Speaker 16 (55:08):
I mean, we were just dancing, like we really liked
that cold Play song and so we had just we
were just uh, we had danced for a minute.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, she said can I have this dance? And that's
that's all.
Speaker 6 (55:19):
It was, can I have this dance? Hey, you get
your damn hands off for this. It's it's Chuck Berry,
It's Marvin Marvin Berry. Your cousin a little bad.
Speaker 16 (55:32):
I mean, that's that's crazy though, that that but yeah,
remember the Aggie war him.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
You can always use that.
Speaker 6 (55:39):
That's it. Yeah, I'll have to remember that next time.
But the Astro is obviously a huge topic of conversation.
If you want to jump in on that. Sebon one three, two, one, two,
five seven ninety is the number Shoe wants to weigh in. Joe,
good morning, Hey, good morning.
Speaker 7 (55:54):
I was gonna say, if the Astros don't make the playoffs,
I won't be upset because the way we're playing, I
feel like we're going to get knocked out in the
first round and some team gets to say that they
knocked the Astros out. But the reason I called was
if we don't make the playoff and assuming we get
a higher draft pick, and how much higher draft pick
would it be by not making the playoffs? And I
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hang up with this and thank you.
Speaker 6 (56:15):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (56:16):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (56:18):
That's not until July. I mean, and it's not going
to have any bearing on the immediate future of your team.
I mean, I understand where he's going for that, Like,
you know, drafting higher, you're going to have a better
prospect and I mean, that's something that can help you
going down the road. But I mean I do think
and talked about this a little bit earlier, Gordy. I mean,
are we kind of in a position now where I
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understand what Jim Crane said about the window being open
as long as he's here. Do you want to avoid
the lessons that weren't learned from about two thousand and
six to twenty ten, where you thought that you were
still a competitive ball club and clearly you were not,
and you were just allaying the inevitable. Do you want
to go ahead and kind of get the process going
where you don't have to do the full on demolition rebuild.
Speaker 16 (57:02):
They're not gonna do a demolition rebuild because you still
have you have Jeremy Panya, who's in the middle of
his prime. You have Jordan Alvarez, he's in the middle
of his prime. I mean, your your roster's too good
to just tear it down. The problem is the frigging injuries.
Like we haven't even talked about what the news that
comes out yesterday. Luis Garcia is gonna miss all of
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twenty twenty six. Like that's that's insane, That is absolute insane.
For a guy who had Tommy John had to work
back from it, busted his ass, had set back after setback,
get back, piss pretty decent, and then has it feels
a tweak? Was that a week ago? And then it
comes out yesterday? Yeah, he's uh, he's uh, he's gonna
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he's gonna have some kind of procedure and he's gonna
miss all the next year. Like good god man, Like
just it's insane him mccullors like that the first order
of business. And I hate to throw anybody under the
bus here, but if I'm Jim Crane, the first order
business when this season ends, I'm getting rid of a
whole damn training staff, like a whole new regime gotta
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come in here, because what you guys did was on paper,
this looks like medical malpractice.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
With the number of injuries we've had with the Astros
the last year plus.
Speaker 6 (58:16):
Well, I mean it's not even just the injuries. It's
at least two of your most important players that you
misdiagnosed twice. That shouldn't happen more than once. Gordy, I mean,
Kyle Tucker. It's like, all right, look it happens, Sure
we get it. But then it happened again this year
with Jordon. That's an embarrassment.
Speaker 16 (58:35):
Well, in all these arms, I mean we I don't
even know if we mentioned it the other day.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
What didn't it come up? Brandon Walter is gonna have Tommy.
Speaker 16 (58:41):
John like, yeah, this is this is Nutso man, even
guys you found off the scrap heap are having arm
issues like this that that points to the organization.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Something is something in the organization, Like you have one
or two guys. Okay, it was just a floke, man,
it's Tommy John.
Speaker 16 (58:57):
But like when all these dudes are having all these
arm injuries, you start to go, Okay, somebody's not doing
something in this organization, right, doesn't seem.
Speaker 6 (59:07):
That way, Maggie, Doug will get you involved in the conversation.
You want to join us someone three two one two
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Show continued. That's that's gotta be, is the Gordy. That's
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that's that's what I need right there. So that was well,
that was all timed by you, Gordy. Good job. Uh,
Guardians Tigers go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
From burn era of eight twenty seven this month. What
about that tells you.
Speaker 16 (01:01:52):
This guy's gonna get it done tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
This guy's gonna stop the bleeding.
Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
Well, I mean, he's a middle linebacker out there. It's
what Dana Brown told us before. You know, Oh, you know,
you don't take that intensity out of them, Okay, Well,
I mean I would.
Speaker 16 (01:02:04):
I would tell you there was a better chance Fromberg
gets into a fist fight with Yanner yes on the
field tonight than he does of having going six shutout innings.
Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Well, then you'd have some out there and say, well,
at least the astro shows some fight, at least if
it's with each other, that's true.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
That's yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:02:20):
You know what if we're gonna miss the playoffs all together? Here,
let's just get into a fist fight and you know,
show some kind of fire out there. Well, I mean,
look in Fairness in the movie Major League two. That's
what turned around.
Speaker 6 (01:02:31):
You know Jake Taylor's you know Cleveland team at the
time is they got into a fight in the dugout.
Then they went out there, they won the second game
of the doubleheader, and well they started on their runs.
So I don't know, maybe maybe that's just it is
that happens, and then hey, hey, here we go. We're
gonna win this game and then we're gonna win the
next three.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
You know what I want to do.
Speaker 16 (01:02:49):
An hour in hour number three, when we get to
eight o'clock hour, I want to get into what's something
you really need to do? Like what's what's the positives
of the astra is missing the playoffs? Like, you know what,
I've got a I've got a closet I really need
to clean out, and I got time to do that
now next week. So you know, like, what's the positives
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of the astros if they missed the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
Somebody threw something like that out on Twitter the other
day and it was so what do people actually do
in October? And I was like, well, I mean you know,
pumpkin patches, watch college football. Yeah, exactly built that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I could build that Halloween village we've been wanting to do.
Speaker 16 (01:03:29):
There, you go, you know, head over to Michael's and
grab some some arts and crafts.
Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
Start start the closet turnover for the winter time for
about the month that we have of winter around here,
I mean six days of cold weather. Yeah, I'm grasping
at straws here, Gordy. I'm not really sure exactly what's
available to the Astros in regards to that, so or
at least the fan base and that. So yeah, that's
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maybe something we can kick around. I like that idea.
As for now we can be able to involve you
someone three two two five seven ninety Aggie Doug wants
to weigh in. Good morning, Aggie, Doug.
Speaker 18 (01:04:05):
I guess we play more golf, guys.
Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
That's the only thing I can I like that idea, Doug.
You know what I'm with you on that. Me and
Sean are gonna waiting for your call.
Speaker 18 (01:04:13):
Steve here and go tear up the links, baby.
Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
Listen to this guy. A plus call, Aggie, Doug. You're
the man, and your programs playing good football. Good for you.
Speaker 18 (01:04:25):
So far, so good, guys, But I'm taking the humility.
You're out this season and uh, you know, Aggie's win,
they win, they lose, they lose, and hopefully they'll just
be in that twelve thing at the end of the season.
That's the only thing I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Hoping for sure.
Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
You sure you're an A and M fan. I mean,
I thought for sure the commemorative cups would have been
printed up after the win at Notre Dame.
Speaker 18 (01:04:48):
I pride myself on being a realistic Aggie. There's not
very many of us, so at least at least that's
the way I keep prints from LSU in Texas and
all these other schools. So uh, I I I'm, I'm,
I'm humble about the eggs. With the Astros, we're just tired, man.
(01:05:09):
I think that they they peaked against the Rangers and
winning the Silver Boot ain't winning you know, playoff series
and and the and this team knows that. But almost
it's like we've accomplished something and then it's like you
really didn't accomplish anything. But that's what I see when
I watch them. And uh, but to be fair, we've
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thrown dirt on this team. I don't know how many
seasons and they somehow keep coming back. They are the
zombie Astros for a reason. And so I don't know, guys.
I mean, what if forever goes out and you win
this game, you win the next three, and you go
into the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
You know hot?
Speaker 19 (01:05:50):
You know?
Speaker 18 (01:05:51):
And I don't know, guys, because again, we've We've done
this season after season after season. I mean, remember, let
dust these last season, getting in them the last day,
uh and winning the you know, the champion of our
division on the last day of the series on the season.
But I don't know, man, I just think that the
Astros really are just exhausted. The injuries are finally just
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all catching up to them.
Speaker 9 (01:06:16):
And it's okay, you know.
Speaker 18 (01:06:17):
That's what I want to tell the Astros. It's okay,
almost like a dying relative, It's okay if you if
you don't make the playoffs this year, we'll be fine.
We'll come back next year. I think they've got a
lot of right spots coming back next year. There's a
lot of things that all the injuries kind of showed
us this year that there's some really good kids that
we got available. So I think you got to give
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them a shot and h and definitely.
Speaker 9 (01:06:40):
Have to go out and sign some pitching because.
Speaker 18 (01:06:42):
With Nesky rag Getty, I mean, all these guys are
in question now. I believe both of those guys have
elbow issues and I'm waiting for them to announce their
surgeries as well. So I think the first thing you
got to focus on is obviously pitching. Uh And if
you can move some of these guys like a Walker
or are As Sanchez and include them with a young
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player or too to get some good pitching, I'm fine
with that. I mean, the Altuve and you're on the
only guy probably three or four more years left, so.
Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
Now I appreciate the call. I mean, you know, I
get to Gordy and we can carry this over of
not wanting to, you know, completely close the door on
this team. But isn't there just something that just looks different?
I mean, like I said about a Jose al Tuova earlier,
he's not Jose al Tuove of the past anymore. Like
that's I think pretty evident from what we've seen these
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last couple of months, and just the lack of power,
just the lack of production, all of those things. And
if he's off well then obviously we see what happens
with the rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Well before you bury him.
Speaker 16 (01:07:48):
I mean, he does make thirty three million next year,
thirty three million the year after. I mean he is
he's locked in. Uh so he's not going anywhere. He's
he is under contract through twenty nine, so you know
there's a reason why you moved him to the outfield
this year.
Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
He is thirty five years old. But I'll do his
not going anywhere.
Speaker 16 (01:08:09):
I mean this this is again everybody wants to hit
the reset button, start this thing out.
Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
No, you've got the bulk.
Speaker 16 (01:08:17):
Your team is all back next year, like everybody's under contract,
So you know, the only thing that's hurting right now
is injuries, and it's it's wild. I'm looking at a
list of the roster and under starting pitchers. You have
won two, three, four, five, six guys with a little
medical patch next to him, and mccullor's Garcia, Blanco, Arraghetti,
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was Nesky and Walter.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
I mean as absolutely insane.
Speaker 16 (01:08:41):
That that much your starting pitching is is injured. But
you know then you throw in Josh Hater, who's hurt,
Kayla Bord, who's hurt? I mean, it's you just the
injury bug took its toll this year and it just
absolutely crushed them. But no, this team is still absolutely
loaded going into next I hate to pull a Dana Brown,
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but hey, come on, Astros fans, this team's loaded next year.
We're coming right back.
Speaker 6 (01:09:07):
I always loved that at the end. All right, let's
go Astros fans. It's it's it's like I said, it's
like a college football coach. Coach, thanks for joining us,
all right, guys, hey appreciate it. Go tigers. You know
it's it's it's a nice little motif at the end.
It's something that we can always look forward to. And
we're gonna get that chance here in about an hour
and a half or so. John, we'll get you involved.
You want to join them? Someone three two one two
(01:09:28):
five seven ninety against someone three two one two five
seven nine zero. Is it the end for the shows? Well,
you just heard a little bit of our thoughts. We'll
continue it right here. It is the Shawn Salisbury Show
on a Thursday, Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Let the celebration start more.
Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Sean Salisbury on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
John in Spring wants to do exactly that.
Speaker 20 (01:09:53):
Good morning, John, Hey, good morning, Gordy. I was watching
the game last night and one of the Athletics players
it'll pop up, and Yiner Diaz went after the pop
up and then just pulled up Short. Now I wasn't there.
I really couldn't tell exactly why he just gave up
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on the ball, but I watched, I watched pop ups
drop in between three players on the infield, a lack
of effort and going after one. And just as soon
as that happened, the camera angle switched to Hunter Brown,
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and he just looked so defeated and dejected, like, these
guys are not even going to dive for a ball
for me. You have to be perfect to pitch for
these guys, because they're not going to score any one
for you. They're going to hit into double plays. And
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then I thought about earlier in the season, when they
were twenty games above five hundred, and they had all
these called up from the minor leagues, and you had
guys like Bryce Matthews carrying you for a series in Arizona.
You had Zach Short getting a key home run. You
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had players tromail diving into a center field wall face first,
and I think that's the difference. I just don't know.
I just don't see the effort in these guys as
she got playing out there today. And I don't understand why.
Speaker 9 (01:11:39):
This coach death. Gordy, you're talking about.
Speaker 20 (01:11:44):
Cleaning out your cleaning out your closet in October, and
I kind of think that's what you asked for.
Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
Yeah, John, appreciate the call. Yeah, I mean, Gordy, you
know he's mentioned you if you want to go ahead.
Speaker 16 (01:12:01):
Well, I mean it's the reality is they just have
not played great overall. And to the callers point earlier,
I looked it up. I mean when the callers asking
about do they get a better draft pick whatever. Yeah,
as of right now, Tekon's got them with the eighteenth
overall pick. Had they made the if they make the
wild card, they have the nineteenth pick. So I mean,
come on, what are we talking about here. It doesn't
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it's it's and again this is.
Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
Not gonna come on. Historically, everybody knows the eighteenth pick
always hits in. The nineteenth pick always folds.
Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:12:30):
I mean, if you had them, if you had a
if you missed the playoffs and it locked you in
as a top five pick, I mean, do we want
to go like NBA lottery. Do we want to go
lottery in MLB where you missed the playoffs and you
you have a good you know, you have a chance
to win the number one pick. Perhaps, you know we
could we can go that route. But no, I mean,
there's there's not much difference there. And uh, you know
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that's that's the thing. Matt Thomas was saying that yesterday, said,
I've seen so many people say, you know what, I'd
rather than miss the playoffs than make and.
Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
He goes, what's the benefit of missing?
Speaker 16 (01:13:02):
Like, you don't get anything good from missing the playoffs
either make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
So you don't like, I'd rather.
Speaker 16 (01:13:07):
Them even if you think this team is it's just
they got nothing, they got no juice, and they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Get their ass beat in the playoffs.
Speaker 16 (01:13:15):
Fine, you'd rather make the playoffs than not make the playoffs.
I don't understand the fans who were like, I don't
even want them to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
There's no benefit to not making the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
Well, I mean that's the thing is you at least
want to give yourself a chance. I mean, even as
feeble as that chance might be, you still want to
try I mean, that's the thing. And I hear that too,
and I'm just like, yeah, like what benefit is that? Like, Oh, okay,
well we miss the plaoffs, so we're gonna be extra
motivated next year. No, you get knocked out in the playoffs,
you're still extra motivated. I mean, you heard all throughout
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spring training, Gordon, when you were there in West Palm Beach. Oh, well,
you know, Joe was telling him that he wanted them
to be proud of what they accomplished last year, but
he understood that they were motivated to get back to
where they've been. Okay, well they made the players and
got to that point. So no, I'm fully with you
on that. There's no benefit to missing as opposed to
getting in as the final wildcard spots. As a matter
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of fact, the benefit is only in getting in. So
I mean, it's frustrating, it's annoying how they've played down
the stretch, but you hope that it, you know, if
there is somewhat of lightning in a bottle for these
final four, that if you can kind of recapture what
you did against the Rangers, it'd be nice to see it.
But again, even with that, you're up against the herculean
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task because well, I mean, Detroit's gotta win another game
soon enough, right, you would at least think so well and.
Speaker 16 (01:14:36):
To reset the playoff picture as it stands right now
you are you are outside of that last wild card spot.
Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
The Red Sox.
Speaker 16 (01:14:45):
Are what three games better than you right now, so
they play the Tigers. I mean, you're basically gonna have
to be rooting for a Red Sox sweep. And I
guess theoretically, numbers wise, the Red Sox could still catch
the Yankees, but the Yankees have won four in a row.
But anyway, I mean, you just hope that the Red
Sox can good. But like numbers wise, with four games remaining, Dan,
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you have to win all four. I guess, I mean,
winning three out of four and the Tigers losing all
four leaves you both tied in the standings and Detroit,
what the head to head would get in you would
be out. So I mean, you base you have to
sweep these last four.
Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
Yeah, that's the situation you've put yourself in. Carlos Koreas
said it earlier in the show Open Well Game seven mentality,
and that's what the Astros are up against. Ray we'll
work in you want to join them someone three two
one two five seven ninety that idea that Gordy brought up,
Maybe we'll kick that around in the eight o'clock hour two.
All of that and astros GM Dana Brown going to
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Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
As the Astros lose last night six to nothing at
two the A's with that loss, they're now a game
back of the Tigers for the final wildcard spot in
the American League. Fromber Valde is gonna get the start today.
One point thirty Astros on deck, coming your way right here.
Sports Talk seven ninety yard on Alvarez still not doing
baseball activities, Josh Hater still not throwing in Luis Garcia
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Dana Brown gonna join us at nine thirty this morning.
Keep it going on the phone line seven one three
two one two five seven ninety against seven one three
two one two five seven nine zero Montana Ray, what's
going on? Good morning?
Speaker 21 (01:18:47):
Hey, Good morning guys. Uh look, I'm gonna try not
to lose my temper on this.
Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
These guys are lazy.
Speaker 21 (01:18:58):
I mean, mccullar's out for what two years, and then
he's out again for a blister. Pop the thing, put
a band aid on it, get back to work. I mean,
maybe I'm an old school but these I don't see
it as being tired. These guys that are always on
the limp, lame and lazy list.
Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Trade them.
Speaker 6 (01:19:22):
You don't want to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Trade them.
Speaker 21 (01:19:24):
I mean, bring up the guys from the miners that
helped us win in LA eighteen to one. Maybe I'm
just old school or overreacting, but I don't see it
getting any better even next year. So you guys have
a great weekend. Gig them.
Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
I appreciate it. Ray. I mean with mccullors, I get
the frustration, and I mean it's got to be frustrating
for him too. But you're not going to trade Lance
mccullor's junior. Nobody is taking on somebody who frankly just
can't stay healthy and is making seventeen million dollars a
year to give you what I mean, ten starts? How
many starts did he give him this year.
Speaker 16 (01:20:05):
It's the craziest thing I ever hear when we talk
astros Is. I want people to use some common sense
when it comes to trades. If you have trash, if
you have what you consider trash. How do you convince
somebody to take your trash? No one wants your trash.
They do not want to pay for your trash. They
don't even want to take your trash for free. So
that it's just it's crazy when people call with that.
(01:20:28):
It's like it's always happened over the years. When a
starter as a bad couple outings, like a guy like mccullugy's,
people go ah, trade him. No, it is untradable. He
is a injury prone pitcher who's making seventeen point seven
million dollars next year. The only option you have is
to cut him and eat that salary. And you did
it with jose O Brew that they don't want to
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make a habit of doing that. I've seen so many
articles written about they should do it with Christian Walker.
I mean, I guess they'll discuss that, but like, is
this really what you want to get in the habit
of having a tip ten payroll in all of baseball
and just paying a bunch of guys to go away.
Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
You know that's what people call, Oh they're cheap, they
don't want to pay it, right, No, they've paid people.
Speaker 16 (01:21:08):
You just don't like the people they've paid because it's backfired.
The Christian Hobveer deal not looking great right now. He
didn't look very good the other night. He makes twenty
one point four million next year, must be nice. Well
it's what Callers makes. Seventeen point seven million next year.
Must be nice. But that's not just money you get
to just you know, like it's that's real money that's
being paid for two guys that either can't pitch for
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you or just are inconsistent.
Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
Well, I mean, and that's the thing is he made
twelve starts this year, by the way, fifteen appearances, so
three out of the bullpen.
Speaker 16 (01:21:42):
But I mean for Walk, all those bullpen appearances were
got awful.
Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
So he's got crazy.
Speaker 6 (01:21:48):
Yeah, that's that's for sure. But for Walker, I mean
average wise, the strikeouts are up all of the I mean,
it looks like fastballs with any sort of velocity are
trouble for him. And I mean, now on the other
side of thirty five, with two more years at twenty
million per I mean, that's gonna be a high ask.
The only thing I think you have going for you
on that, Gordy, is that he's a team leader in RBI.
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He still did knock in eighty two runs this season,
but he's also been on eighty two for some time.
Speaker 16 (01:22:18):
Well, but that's the only reason he has that is
because of where they've continued to bat him every night,
like keep putting him in that spot. Eventually, Yeah, he's
gonna he's gonna ground out or fly out and runs
gonna score. So that that to me is just yeah,
that's a that's that's decent numbers. But when you're batt
in four hole, five hole every night, you're gonna come
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up with guys on.
Speaker 6 (01:22:40):
So just trying to look over when the last time
he knocked in a run was, and I don't believe
that he has knocked in a single run here in
the month of September. I mean, just looking at it
real quick. Yeah, yeah, hold please, let's see September sixteenth
was the last time he knocked in a run. He
knocked in one against the Rangers in the second game
(01:23:01):
of that three game series.
Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
That's insane.
Speaker 16 (01:23:06):
I mean, but again, like what do you do with him?
Like you just he's under contract next year. I just
can't get in the habit of paying guys to go away.
Speaker 6 (01:23:16):
Well, I mean, and I understand about the paying guys
to go away, But it is also too, is your
team better with Estak peretis here as opposed to Christian
Walker here? I mean, because here's the other thing is too,
is you're I mean, the same thing we're talking about
with Walker. It's the same thing with Carlos Correa. He's
on this team. Next year, he's with you, so I
understand that the power is diminished and he's not the
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same player he was the first time when he left here.
But I mean he's on your team. So then are
you open to trading Jeremy Pania because I mean that
conversation that needs to be had because you gotta put
some some people somewhere. You're not gonna put yourd on
out and left field every game.
Speaker 16 (01:23:55):
Well, the thing we have to discuss here that I
think people are electing to knowledge is most likely.
Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Still gonna need surgery.
Speaker 16 (01:24:04):
He put it off so that he could come back
and be a hero this this last these last couple
weeks of the season.
Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
The hamstring isn't fixed. He's playing through.
Speaker 16 (01:24:13):
It, but as soon as the season ends, don't be
shocked when you see Estoc paratists to have hamstring surgery.
Out six to eight months, Like that's a real that's
a reality. Nobody's acknowledging just because he came back doesn't
mean that thing's fully healed.
Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
I mean they said it.
Speaker 16 (01:24:29):
They're like, we're gonna off to run full force to
first base, like he's he's back, but in a very
limited capacity right now.
Speaker 6 (01:24:38):
Yeah, we saw that play out last night too, with
that first inning six four to three double play lead
off walk by jose A l two Va, and it's like, oh, okay, hey, sweet,
now that'll be cool. And then right there that happened.
As soon as I saw that Jack Wilson fielded that
ball cleanly, I was like, great, there we go. There,
there goes that ending. I mean, as one of our
callers pointed out, Gordy, it seems like it's always just
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right around the corner. Hey, we got runners in scoring position.
Ground ball to third base, nobody moves. Hey we still
got runners in scoring position, pop up in the infield,
all right, Well, I mean you know they've gotten stuff
done with two outs, We've got runners in scoring position,
fly out to center field. I mean, it's just I
called them the minimalist Astros lineup for a reason, because
that's exactly what they have been, and I mean it's just, yeah,
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we believe that they can still be that team next
year with health included. But the last two years have
taught you you can't count on health with this team,
not right now.
Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:25:35):
Well my point that is, if Brady says that a
procedure be right, I mean, won't be ready for spring.
Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:25:45):
I don't know if we'd be ready for the start
of the season. So I mean, there goes that thing
out the window. We got too many infielders? No, you
got just them enough, you know, I mean so, But
but then, well, how do you want to pursue this?
Do you want to pursue a full time second basement
in the offseason? If Al Twovey's Surefire are going to
go back to left field, it's on heeled. No, I
(01:26:09):
feel like dubunk you be in every day. I don't know,
There's gonna be a lot of discussions to be had.
I just know, you know, Carls Kray is probably gonna
slide in a third. Jerry Payne is that short and
Christian walker. Unless you want to pay him to go away,
I think will be your first basement.
Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
Yeah, or unless you want to eat a significant amount
of his money, which I mean again, same deal, it'd
be pretty much the same thing. Just this time you
trade and you get somebody in return, just means that
it's going to be diminished in terms of what you
get back and also you know what you're able to
do with your own spending power at that point. But
with the stros and just looking at how wait.
Speaker 16 (01:26:46):
Wait, Christian Walker, we've got to acknowledge. Acknowledge twenty million
next year and twenty million the year after that is
not chump change.
Speaker 6 (01:26:54):
No it's not. And even with the RBI production, it's
something that I still would be a pretty tough sell.
But with the Strows, this thing looking different. What exactly
does different look like? We'll discuss here as we continue
on a Thursday edition of The Sean Salisbury Show Sports
Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
This Sean Salisbury Show continues to continue.
Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
The spectators out there and also to you know, shaking
hands with Keegan Bradley and just having a ball out
there to get ready coach O in golf. Is that
something that we necessarily saw coming.
Speaker 16 (01:27:31):
Well, he's he's he's like a hype man, like if
you're a if you're a rapper, on tour right now
or something, and you need somebody to like intro you.
I'm pretty sure for a nominal fee, you could have
Coacho come out and just like hype you up. Yeah,
he was starting the USA chan out there, so yeah,
good for him.
Speaker 6 (01:27:47):
I've said that he's America's guest to me, and you know,
I know that he wants to get back in the coaching.
But then there's part of me it's like why, like
you seriously can just be you know, put up everywhere
you want to go, and I mean, you show up
there and he's the most likable person on the planet.
Like I think even like if he showed up in
Tuscaloosa and wasn't wearing Alabama gear, but he showed up there,
(01:28:09):
You're not gonna have Alabama fans yelling at him. They're
gonna be like, oh, coach, Oh can I get a
picture with you?
Speaker 9 (01:28:15):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:28:15):
Can you say what you said in the locker room?
That was so funny? I mean it's funny to them
now because well they beat LSU almost every single year
after that. But like you get my point, like it's
everywhere he goes people want to be around him.
Speaker 16 (01:28:27):
Well, I said, you know, if you really wanted entertainment.
I don't know if maybe like the Vice Channel or
one of those like entertainment channels, you set up a
reality show in Destin highlighting Coacho and Jimbo Fisher just
living their lives with their massive buyouts. I mean, heck,
maybe throw Kevin Somemlin in there. You know, Mike Gundhy
(01:28:48):
is now available. I just think a reality show of
fired college football coaches who got massive millions upon millions
of dollars of buyouts, just living their life out in deston.
Speaker 6 (01:28:59):
I think the big it's almost like The Real Housewives,
but fired college football coaches edition.
Speaker 16 (01:29:05):
Exactly like Jimbo complains about the service at a restaurant.
Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
You know, I think it'd be great, great drunk.
Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
I think so too. Maybe so someone three two one, two,
five seven ninety is the number to get in before
we get to Jordan here on the phone lines. How
this thing is going to look different? I think we
can agree, Gordy that. I mean, there was a time
from twenty seventeen until twenty twenty three where you had
a run where you believe that every single year this
thing was at the very least going to end in
(01:29:35):
the LCS. I think now the difference is this is
going to be a team that we think can make
the postseason every single year, but there are going to
be miss postseasons now, like that is going to be
kind of the turn in the organization that we're starting
to see.
Speaker 16 (01:29:51):
And this is what they did for the last decade
is not the norm. And the norm was even the
Cardinals who had that great run, like they would make
a deep run, even win, you know, play for a
World Series, and then miss the playoffs the next year
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Boston had that too.
Speaker 16 (01:30:08):
Remember like Boston went on a run, they'd win a
World Series, and then they'd have a year or two
where they missed the playoffs, and then they'd come back
and make a run for a postseason.
Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
So I mean, like that's more the ebbs and flows
of baseball.
Speaker 16 (01:30:19):
I mean, everybody likes to bring up the Yankees dynasty
and that run that they had, but yeah, this this
is more than norm. I mean, sustaining seven eight straight
years of making the postseason is it's just not the
norm the baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
It's too hard, too competitive to make it happen.
Speaker 16 (01:30:35):
It's still mathematically they're still not eliminated. I mean, they
could still again get into this thing if some things
fall right.
Speaker 6 (01:30:43):
Yeah, well, I mean here's hoping at this point that
seems like that's all we're holding on too, because I
mean again, I mean, yeah, conceivably they could win four
in a row. But the way that this thing has
gone from about mid July until now, there's nothing to
lead you to believe that they have that type of
run in them.
Speaker 16 (01:31:01):
Well you never know. Just put if you can punch
your tickets some house, some way. But yeah, scoring zero
runs against.
Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
The A's is not going to get you there.
Speaker 6 (01:31:08):
No, it is not. Someone three two, one, two, five
seven ninety the number to get in Jordan and bel
Air wants to wing in Jordan. Good morning, Good.
Speaker 19 (01:31:16):
Morning, guys. I appreciate your baseball knowledge. During one of
the nationally televised games maybe two weeks ago, John Smoltz
mentioned something about a fundamental change in the season of baseball.
I don't know if you guys listened to that or
heard that. No, he was talking about what he was
talking about because the amount of injuries that that the
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teams have stuffered this year. He thought that once the
two expansion teams.
Speaker 9 (01:31:43):
Are added, there would be a re alignment.
Speaker 19 (01:31:45):
And then something a change in the way the structure
the season or something. I don't know that I can't
remember the details, but if you heard that, i'd like
to hear your opinion on that.
Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
I didn't.
Speaker 19 (01:31:57):
I don't know if you heard him say that, but
he thought that baseball would change, the season would change
because of the amount of injuries.
Speaker 6 (01:32:06):
Like they would play less games. Is that what he
was alluding to?
Speaker 9 (01:32:12):
I thought he.
Speaker 19 (01:32:13):
I thought he said something about a break between a
longer break during the All Star Game to allow an
All Star time to allow players to get healthy again.
I could be wrong, but he did say that there
would be a change in the season so that there
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would be more time for the players to recover or
something like that. I mean, I could look it up online,
but I didn't spend any time doing that. But he
did say something like that. I was gonna wonder if
you guys heard that in what he thought about that, Yeah,
he did say, because go ahead.
Speaker 6 (01:32:48):
No, No, I was just gonna say, appreciate the call.
The lesser games thing. I mean, I'm not even sure
if that's what he said, but that's not going to happen.
If anything. I'm sure soon enough they'll go to one
hundred and sixty six games. But I mean, you're gonna
have the Olympics coming up here, Gordy in a couple
of years, and they're already talking about maybe Major League
Baseball players being part of that. So would major League
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Baseball kind of do like what the NHL does during
the Winter Olympics, where you give them two weeks off,
kind of structure it around the All Star Game that season,
and then you know, give them an extra week off
and then pick it back up after it's done.
Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
I don't know, I don't I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
Well, I mean, I mean, the pitching injuries are one thing,
and I know that Smoltz has talked about that before
with the emphasis on spin rate and you know, just
trying to be able to protect these guys as much
as possible. But it seems like any type of you know,
protective measures are never met. I mean, it's a right
(01:33:51):
of passage. Now, you haven't pitched in Major League Baseball
until you've had Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
Well, they've had the asters that just have way too many.
Speaker 16 (01:34:00):
I mean, this is this is Invanity and then the
Loseli Scartsia for all of twenty twenty six. You know,
it's it's like, what are we doing here? We're wasting
guys in their prime.
Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
It's nuts well, and that's the thing. I mean, he's
not the only one we've seen it happen with Lance
McCullers Junior. I mean Christian Hobby here coming back as
quickly as he has, I think has been a miracle,
and a miracle enough. But we'll keep it going on
the phone lines. You want to join in seven one
three two one two five seven ninety. Also Gordy's idea.
I mean, if there is no postseason baseball, what do
we do? We're open to ideas. Seriously, there are no
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That there. The Sean Salisbury Show continues.
Speaker 6 (01:36:54):
It's not been good and the only the other problem
is the Mariner has played really good baseball and well
they're AOS champs and they were able to celebrate that
last night in the Astros for the first time since
twenty seven Ara of excuse me, twenty sixteen, not aos champs.
Speaker 16 (01:37:09):
So if I could read, we got a note on
Facebook a guy Brandon sent a message said, sounds to
me this morning like already, just as the case of
the Red Ass, the horrible Astros payroll.
Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Isn't about it not being what the fans like.
Speaker 16 (01:37:22):
It's about two players on the wrong side of ROI
and the players ultimately not producing. If there's anyone fans
are mad at, it's decision makers, not the players. I
just again, Dan, when they signed Christian Walker, I did
not see anybody putting up their hands, going this is
a terrible signing, Like everybody seemed to be on board
(01:37:43):
with it, like I don't. I like it's always hindsight's
twenty twenty. The Jose Bray signing didn't work out. No
one at the time said I hate this move. The
same thing in Christian Walker when they acquired him. Nobody
jumped out and said I hate this move. Yeah, when
it doesn't work out, you say that after the fact,
But I just that's that's very sighted to me, Like
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you can't, you can't, you can't. Oh you want this,
and then it does more code I didn't want this,
Like no, you you were on board with it when
they did it, like come back now and go that
was a terrible decision.
Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
Well, I mean, I think the heightened attention for it
too is exactly what you said about jose A Bray
you because it's right on the heels of that. So
you bring him in and his numbers are eerily similar,
and you see that he's struggling with catching up to
the fastball and striking out a lot and has not
been good with runners in scoring position. Like I get it.
(01:38:35):
I totally get it. I mean, yeah, it is a
little bit of hindsight there. But still, I mean, I
think if nothing else, maybe the argument to be made is, well,
when you do have guys that come up for contract
extensions and are on the south side of thirty, go
ahead and break the rules for them and give them
seven eight years as opposed to giving a guy that's
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in his mid thirties two or three.
Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:39:02):
But but again, this is that this is an opposition
to the twenty eight year old wanting the ten year
contract that they just don't give out.
Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
So you know, I like I saw somebody doing that
the other night. Oh we don't.
Speaker 16 (01:39:14):
We don't sign our players, they sign their players. They
just cut it off at six. Because again you get
all mad about these these guys like Christian Walker not
living up to their deal. Guess what the good thing
is you only signed him to a three year deal,
four year deal, And some of these guys, it's it's
you can get out of it. You know what you
can't get out of the ten year deals. You know,
it's you sign that out of that deal and he sucks,
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You're screwed. There is absolutely nothing you can.
Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Do about it.
Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
Well, I mean it's just like I'm saying, and I've
given you know, remember the children's book The Giving Tree.
Like the way the Astros have been conducting business with
that is eventually you're going to let somebody go that
you just cannot replace. And one of those guys I
think that we can agree is probably that guy is
Alex Bregman. I mean, how much did this team Alex
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Bregman this year and his leadership in the clubhouse and
how he goes about his business. You can wonder about
Kyle Tucker. They probably weren't gonna be able to keep
Kyle Tucker as is. So that's why I mentioned Alex Bregman.
I mean, that's one right there, Like, if you're going
to give this money to a first baseman, I don't
understand why you wouldn't do like what the Red Sox
did with Alex Bregman. How How was that not even discussed?
Speaker 16 (01:40:23):
Because this Athan wasn't playing that game with the Astros.
The only reason he signed up with Boston's because nobody
every other suitor went out the window. They nobody wanted
to give him that day. They were they were like,
we won eight, nine, ten years, and nobody was giving
him that. So that's why I ultimately had to do that.
But again, every time the Asters went to Bores and said, hey,
we'd love that Bregman back, he went right eight years
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and they went, no, we're.
Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Not doing that.
Speaker 6 (01:40:48):
I just I just think that the free agent signings
the last few years and the thought process behind it,
and I get it too. I mean me and already
talked about this a little bit yesterday that most free
agents that you sign are into their thirties because either
they were re up by their team when their you know,
service time window wasn't wasn't completely done yet, or also
(01:41:12):
too I mean, you know guys that have been productive
throughout there. I mean, Walker is one of those guys
that he got he got productive once he hit about thirty.
That's when he became the player that people thought he
was going to be. So all right, fine, you pay
him off of that. But the problem is is there's
a risk in every single free agent signing, and you
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sometimes can run the risk of, well, they're going to regress,
and we hope it's not with us.
Speaker 16 (01:41:38):
Yeah, I mean, look, he's around a two fifty career
hit or in it anyway, so it's not it's not
wild that he's batten two thirty four. I just the
twenty three home runs. If he had just gotten to
where he was kind of at the peak of his
career and hitting in the thirties, you would take that
from Christian Walker this year.
Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Okay, Well, we'll live with the batting and average around
two forty.
Speaker 16 (01:41:59):
If you can club thirty thirty two to thirty three
home runs, it's just you didn't get that pop this year,
so a man, I mean like again, he's he's under
contract next year. In the year after he's thirty four,
he'll be thirty five going into next year. I almost
again this this whole you know, decide what you want
to do with the SPATA. But I do think hitting
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coaches probably going to be a change there.
Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Just bring in, bring.
Speaker 16 (01:42:24):
In some fresh voices with a new philosophy that can
work with Al Tubay, who just had one of his
worst you know hitting years average twise. You know, like,
get get in there and work with these guys and
let's let's find the mojo.
Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
Let's find the bats again.
Speaker 6 (01:42:40):
It would be nice John and Fresno workian And speaking
of something that was mentioned right there, I do think
that there is some expanding thoughts on that. So we'll
do that and continue the conversation here. Don't forget astros GM.
Dana Brown going to join us in about forty five
minutes for his weekly visit. It's Chris Gordy in for
Sean Salisbury, Dan Matthews, Triple Emmanuel More hanging out with
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you here on a Thursday Sports Talks seven to ninety.
Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Why you're back this is the Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Get back at it.
Speaker 6 (01:43:10):
This should go back to last season two because a
lot of these same offensive struggles we saw last year.
And I get even when the Astros had that vaunted
lineup in twenty nineteen, you'd have stretches where it's just like,
come on, guys, like what's going on here? But then
there was always that breakout for that team and those
teams during that time where they would erupt for like
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seven runs in an inning in Oakland and you're just like, Okay,
there's that team. I know those guys. It's good to
see them again. You've never even remotely gotten close to
seeing that this year or even last year. Maybe hints
here and there, but at least for optics purposes, if
nothing else, there is no world where you can continue
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with the same approach that you've had, because let's be
honest here, Gordy, it's never improved this entire season. It's
it's the same thing. You still have Yiner Diaz swinging
over that slider one handed. You've still got guys trying
to pull pitches over the outside part of the plate
and hitting weak tappers and grounders. The third base and
shortstop pop ups, flyouts to center field, to end and
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ending all of those different things. You've got to switch
up the approach because at least from what it looks
like from me and the fans perspective, there is no approach.
Speaker 16 (01:44:26):
Yeah, I would, I kind of look at you know,
if we want to go off of just like offensive stats.
And for the Astros, I mean, we knew that the
home run to total. Will it come down in losing
Bragnant and losing Talker, you just lost a lot of
pop But she said, well, you got gord on Esa
Paratus is gonna bring a little bit, Christian Walker is
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gonna bring some that think they're gonna be okay here,
but you know, and then god on missus most of
the season. Esak Praadis misses half the season. I mean,
you know the injuries happening. Christian Walker didn't miss time.
He's just sucked. So you find your home run totals
down at one seventy two, tied for seventeeth on all
of baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
That's that's the lowest.
Speaker 16 (01:45:09):
I mean, I need to go back and look for
the last ten years, but asers have always been top five,
that ors, top ten in home.
Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Runs hit throughout this run.
Speaker 16 (01:45:17):
But even and I get it, it's it's not a
twenty twenty five stat we rely on, but batting average
has dipped. Do you realize, Dan, three years ago you've
had a two to fifty nine as a team that
was fifth in all of baseball. Last year they batted
two sixty two, third in all of baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
This season they're batting two to fifty as a team twelfth.
Speaker 16 (01:45:41):
I mean, again, you've been pretty consistently the last ten
full of years top five batting average.
Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
This year your twelfth.
Speaker 16 (01:45:48):
I mean, it's just all the offensive numbers have dipped,
and that's.
Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Why you are where you are.
Speaker 6 (01:45:53):
Well, I mean it's also too, I mean the players
do have to wear some of this too. I mean,
as I mentioned how jose L Twove has not been
the same guy. Carlos Korea not the same guy. We
mentioned about Jordan. You've had him a handful of games
this year, you really have not had him much. And
I mean Christian Walker not necessarily being what we expected
that he would be. You touched on it what his
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career average is, so I mean he's not far below that,
but it's just everything else that kind of boils in
and it's for the underperformance from the other guys, Jiner
Diaz another guy. I mean, where where would this team
be this year without Jeremy Paney and Jake Myers. Honestly, seriously,
where where would this team be if you didn't have
those guys and you didn't even have them for a
large swath of the season.
Speaker 16 (01:46:35):
Yeah, I'm I'm in you mentioned Karrea. I'm at least
encouraged by you know, since he put on an aster's uniform.
You bet at two ninety five in the month in
the month of August, and he's got in two seventy
six this month.
Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
It's not it's not outstanding, but.
Speaker 16 (01:46:49):
You know, two seventy six, three home runs, six doubles.
I mean, Korea is not is not a problem Like
he's okay, he's not. He's with all the problems you have.
I'm fine with him moving into next year. Now, he'll
be another year older. You know, he'll be just what
just turned thirty one a couple of days ago, so
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you know, he'll be thirty two. Al Tuo v will
be thirty five going on thirty six. I mean, it's
just you start to talk about a lot of your
your time players aging. But you know, like I said,
I'm optimistic that I think Graya has you know, it
almost feels like he's he's hit more now Sin's warning
an aster.
Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Form than he was warning a Twins uniform. So I'm
encouraged by him.
Speaker 16 (01:47:31):
But he got I just and again not saying it's
gonna fix all your issues, but just some new voices
in there as hitting coaches, I think can certainly uh
make this, make this thing going.
Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
And we'll see what Jim Crane decides to do.
Speaker 16 (01:47:42):
I mean, this will be the first time since twenty
sixteen pre both World Series titles that they potentially missed
the postseason. If they missed the postseason, I think heads
are gonna roll. I think Jim Crane's gonna say, we
are not staying the course here, guys, we are shaking
things up.
Speaker 6 (01:47:57):
Well, I mean, and that's the thing is I mean,
Alex sent Tron has been with the team what since
twenty sixteen, He's he's the longest tenured guy on this staff,
and I mean they're always on one year deals. So
it's not, you know, calling for someone to be fired,
that's not the thing. It's just a you just don't
bring them back. I mean it's and I think that
it's you have that conversation and it's look, we've got
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to go a different direction. That this this has stalled
out and it's time for us to move on.
Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (01:48:25):
Look, Mike Gundy is he He will go down as
one of the best, the best coach Oklahoma State has
ever had. But it was time to make a change.
Just thinking it got the stagnant. I mean, it's it's
fine to acknowledge you will always be beloved here, but
sometimes it's just time to make a change.
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five seven ninety is the number two. Get in. We'll
start off this segment with John and Fresno. John, good morning, Hey.
Speaker 9 (01:50:18):
What's going on?
Speaker 22 (01:50:19):
Guys? Uh astos need to take the pay some Cleveland.
Cleveland had all them old players at the at the
at the deadline, at the when they started trading trade
away all them old players and elevated their young players.
Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Look what they're at now.
Speaker 22 (01:50:35):
At the beginning Houston had all these injuries, right, and
they elevated their young players and they were seven games
over at the trade deadline.
Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
What happened?
Speaker 18 (01:50:46):
You bring all.
Speaker 22 (01:50:46):
These old players take rept away from your young players
that helped you get the way you are. Now you
got confused and in the dug guye and there let's
be other. What do uh a two bay? What do
cous carrell?
Speaker 6 (01:51:01):
What do let's for color?
Speaker 9 (01:51:03):
Health and coming? They all play to get on the hitch.
Speaker 22 (01:51:06):
But see look at their stats. What do they what
do they have to play for?
Speaker 9 (01:51:10):
What they incier?
Speaker 22 (01:51:11):
Hey we said that when they come in here, they're
gonna elevate.
Speaker 10 (01:51:14):
These young players.
Speaker 22 (01:51:15):
They can play harder, teach them how to win championships. Hey,
it's an opposite. If you look at their stats, they
haven't did any They're healthy, they healthy, commed, but they
haven't did anything. They elevate nobody. They already got championship.
Speaker 9 (01:51:29):
They already don't got paid.
Speaker 18 (01:51:31):
Hey look here they looking you.
Speaker 22 (01:51:33):
Get out of here the lakes four games and go
on their vacation. The young players don't know. If I'm
looking at an older player, they're supposed to know how.
Speaker 18 (01:51:39):
To win, and I don't see that he's trying to win.
Speaker 9 (01:51:42):
It's just like.
Speaker 22 (01:51:43):
Lebron for La he might put up some numbers, but
he can't take me to a championship. And therefore they're
gonna follow their leader. They they ain't doing nothing. They're
not gonna do nothing after did a clean house and
go with their young stars because they got something hang
up to lift.
Speaker 6 (01:51:57):
I appreciate the call, Toty. We've talked about it. Here's
the thing, though, too, is for anybody that's asking for
a rebuild, remember how twenty ten through twenty fourteen felt
around here. Seriously, just remember that for a second, you
couldn't handle it. You weren't going to the ballpark, you
weren't listening, you weren't doing any of those things. So
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if you want that, just be prepared for the consequences
of what go along with it, because baseball, when it's
not competitive, it is a long year. And I don't
think that fans are on board with that, Gordy.
Speaker 21 (01:52:32):
No.
Speaker 16 (01:52:32):
And again it's it's wild on Twitter, Dan, you know
how you have the for you tab'. I'm catching up
on a lot of tweets from last night, and goodness, gracious,
I mean it is great it's it's a Mastro's graveyard
of the season and a lot of people pulling the
you know, man, fifteen years ago, we were the laughing
(01:52:52):
stock of baseball. I never thought this run would ever happen.
I can't take it for granted. And I'm just like, gosh, like,
can we can we wait? I get it's not likely
to make the postseason, but can we wait till they
are mathematically fully eliminated before we start saying rest in
peace to the great playoff run we had and all this,
And again it's there's still talent on this roster. There's
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still talent in the farm system. So I'm not ready
to bury them well and go well, let's pocketing guys.
Sastros will never be good again. Like it's a little
bit premature.
Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
Well, and it's also too I mean, as I said,
the run that they went on from seventeen to twenty three,
it's unprecedented. If they had even had a year in
there where, say they tripped up in the divisional series,
we would have been disappointed, but still it would have
been like, all right, I mean, you can't do it
every single year. I get that. I mean I guess
you could see what we could, but most teams don't,
(01:53:44):
so I get that. But I mean it was every
single year where it was either LCS or it was
World Series that we were seeing around here. I mean
that's again, you create that expectation, you think that it's
going to be around forever. It's just the law of
averages tell you it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Let me throw this out there.
Speaker 16 (01:54:02):
Brad chimes in on Twitter says, uh, Gordy said no
one was complaining about the Walker deal when they signed.
It might be true, but that's irrelevant. It's Dana's Brown's
job to make sure the move is a success.
Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
Uh. How exactly is Dana supposed to go.
Speaker 16 (01:54:16):
In the cages with uh, with Christian Walker and go hey, uh,
let's run up back again. You see what you're doing, Christian?
Your hate Your right hand is a little bit low.
You want to move that up?
Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
Like. That's not the GM's job.
Speaker 16 (01:54:28):
It's it's on the it's on the hitting coaches, but
primarily it's the responsibilities is on the player to produce.
Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
Well.
Speaker 16 (01:54:35):
I mean again, like some of these guys, they get
in their head and okay, we've got sports psychologists. We'll
get you with somebody like all this other stuff. It's
it's on the players to produce. I just I you know,
it's like NFL team to get mad as you know,
it's like one guy sucks in one place and.
Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
He and he's great in another. You know who does that?
Who does that? Blame fall on?
Speaker 16 (01:54:56):
Fall on the GM that denied they drafted the guy.
Everybody said, this is a win, but then he doesn't produced.
Sometimes it's just all the player has to produce.
Speaker 6 (01:55:04):
Well, I mean, and that's what we do. I mean,
it's a good example right there with you know, when
he drafts someone, especially in the NFL, and it doesn't
work out, it's, oh, well, what the hell did you
see in them? I mean, you know the guy behind
him is a multi time pro bowler. How did you
not you know, come a deck guy more than the
other guy. I mean, there's a certain amount of risk
in all of this. You're you're going to miss it's
going to happen. You're going to pull off a trade
(01:55:26):
that doesn't work. You're going to have a signing that
doesn't work out. It's a tale as old as time
in all sports, not just with the Astros and in baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
Yeah, I just again, like Dana Brown.
Speaker 16 (01:55:40):
You know, does he have some faults and some blame
and all this, sure, but you know, I think he's
he's tried to do the best with the hand that
he was dealt with.
Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Keep in mind, his.
Speaker 16 (01:55:50):
His priority when he was first brought in was to
rebuild back this farm system. You know, he's got a
scout background, and largely they have done that with limit resources.
Keep in mind that the Keating scandal repercussions losing UH
top draft picks in multiple years hurt because then you know,
your your few top prospects you had, you end up
(01:56:13):
trading away at the trade deadline the last couple of years,
you know, get to go bring back Verlander for another run.
Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
You get rid of Joey Loprafino and other guys that
you were high on.
Speaker 16 (01:56:20):
So it's like, you know, you can't build back the
farm system if you keep selling every trade deadline too. So, uh,
what's been miraculous though, is a lot of these guys
they've brought up from the farm system that were not
thought of his high powered prospects that have turned into something.
So you know, that's that's been great. But you know,
largely this bullpen has been pretty solid for guys that
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weren't even on the radar two years ago, from Brian
King to you know, the list goes on and on
on like they've done a pretty good job all things considered,
but eventually your your hands get tied a little bit.
Speaker 6 (01:56:54):
Well that's just it. I mean, if you're gonna do
the blame for Christian Walker, then you got at least
a knowledge the credit for Taylor Scott last year, Estakperetis
and Cam Smith this year, Brian King even last year,
Bennett SUSA, Steven Okertz, cayleb Bortz. I mean, you get
my point here. So a lot of the moves that
he has made have paid off for this team and
(01:57:16):
have kept them in contention. So I've said it at
numerous times, Gordy. The only the only issue with Joe
Aspada and with Dana Brown in a lot of people's
eyes is they're not aj Hinch and they're not Jeff Luno, which,
by the way, aj Hinch's club also in the same
position that you're in right now. So keep that in
mind food for thought for some of you out there.
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Seven one three two one two five seven ninety from
one Brad we Go to another one. Brad, good morning,
Good morning.
Speaker 17 (01:57:44):
You know, I love alto Bay like everybody else says,
but I guarantee you he's not gonna last these four
years just for the sake of getting three thousand hits.
And in the meantime, you're going to sacrifice Bryce Matthews
guys like that, just for the sake of keeping Al
tub so he can get his three thousand hits.
Speaker 9 (01:58:05):
You gotta make a.
Speaker 17 (01:58:06):
Decision on Al two B two, Maybe keep him another year,
and then I mean you got to bring up Bryce Matthews.
Speaker 9 (01:58:12):
He's sitting there getting stale. He's already beat up Triple A.
Speaker 17 (01:58:17):
He's ready to be elevated, and you've got to get
in time at second base. I mean, instead you got
Al tuve Is. I hate to say it is he's
the astro of all time, but he's gonna become a
problem because he's gonna You're gonna lose your young guys
because of keeping him.
Speaker 6 (01:58:37):
Appreciate the call. I mean, you gave Bryce Matthews a
chance in aside from the series out in Arizona this year,
he looked like a guy that was not ready for
major league pitching quite yet. Now we could get the
spring training next year, Gordy, and he is ready, and
maybe that is when we see the full on jose
L two v out there in left field with some
of the perceived logjam that the Astros could have. But
(01:59:00):
I mean again, it gets back to the same conversation
two of what it's got four years left on his deal,
three years left on his deal. So what you're gonna
eat ninety million dollars just to send jose L twove away.
That's not happening.
Speaker 16 (01:59:14):
Yeah, and again history has shown he's he's been too
good of a hitter. You know, he is thirty five,
But you got to think that there's still some really
good baseball in their left end. I mean, he's still
got some pop. You know, he's still hit some home
runs this year, So you know, it is what it
is like him, Korea, Christian Walker, they are all under
(01:59:35):
contract not just next year, but the year after on
Or and on Avaras as well. That this has to
be your core four that produce and everybody else can
fill in the gaps. You know, maybe it's only one
more year of Jeremy Payne or two years rather with
twenty six and twenty seven years of arbitration. Okay, we'll
ride that train pill till it runs out. But again,
(01:59:56):
if they do fall out, which it does feel like
at this point, they will, barring a miracle, you know,
they do still have some some you know, nice pieces
moving forward. And you know, I look last night with
notwithstanding with Hazu Sanchez, he's got two more years of arbitration.
Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
You've got team control over him. In that trade.
Speaker 16 (02:00:18):
Ramon Urius, he what he has another year of arbitration,
so you got control over him for another So you
got a lot of guys like this roster is not barren.
You've got a lot of dudes the next couple of years. Uh,
Paradis has a couple more years of arbitration. So it's
you know, his team is still pretty loaded. It just
it's about of getting everybody healthy. That's that's the biggest thing.
(02:00:39):
I mean, Dan, if they had had this mass, uh
you know, counting of injuries like this, this would have
been a playoff team. Hands down, they would have been
a playoff team, probably a division winner.
Speaker 6 (02:00:49):
Now that's the frustrating part of where they are right now.
I mean where you just look at a lot of
different series, a lot of different games this year that
ended up being the difference for this team and hence
why they find them the situation they're in right now,
Logan Chris Roger Brandon. See you guys, right there, a
couple of spots open for it. If you want to
hop a board's someone three two on two five seven ninety. Cat,
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here Sean Salisbury Show on a Thursday Sports Talk seven ninety.
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Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
Emotionally tied to the team. The Sean Salisbury Show continues, Hi,
let go.
Speaker 6 (02:03:37):
Chris wants to weigh in. Good morning, Chris.
Speaker 23 (02:03:40):
Hey, Well, I guess we're not in a good place here.
I feel like we're in the middle of the seesaw
in which direction we're going to go wrestle on exactly
the guy we didn't want it to rest on, which
is Fromber. Do we get great Fromber? Or do we
get more drama than a room full of sixteen year
old girls fromber That being said, emotional Meat wants us
(02:04:03):
to make the playoffs, wants us to even though I
know we're probably gonna get run in a division series.
Logical me says, we've got at least two guys one
that's out there playing right now, and then jord On.
If we make the playoffs, they're gonna do a tape
it and play and really they need to get themselves healthy.
Same with Hater, So you know, I guess we'll see
(02:04:24):
how it plays out and I'll be ready for the
spring training schedule to come out. Also, CJ Stroud with
that ridiculous Mariner's hat. This has been covered before. That's
tom foolery. It was covered with Lebron James with his
New York hat in Cleveland. And I'm just gonna do
an MLA site and cite Carl from Rosemead in the
(02:04:46):
Jungle in two thousand and five. Dude, wearing that hat
is like showing up to a party with a boner
and sweatpants.
Speaker 10 (02:04:53):
I'm out, Rackham, yeah, or should I have done that?
Speaker 6 (02:05:04):
I guess we're kind of infringing on Clinton's gimmick right there.
But it's a great call yeah, Chrissy, New Orleans. Great guy.
But I mean, you know, yeah, and I know that
CJ talked about it a little bit yesterday. I mean,
I think he's just a guy that just he throws
on a hat, just he doesn't even think about it.
But I don't know. I mean, maybe is that somebody
(02:05:26):
pulls him aside next year and just says, I don't know,
maybe maybe throws maybe maybe throwing a few more rockets
and Astro's hats. I mean, we do know he's adopted.
Speaker 16 (02:05:35):
That's the thing that that happens out there in culture.
People are like they you know, you'll see somebody wearing
a Yankees hat and then somebody will go, hey, go Yankees,
and they go what and they go, oh, I just
like the hat. I just like the color. Or I'm
a jay Z fan. I just like a jay Z
words his hat, so I wear it. Who was the
New York Yankees? I don't fault baseball Like that's what
there's people out there like, I guess, okay, whatever, But
(02:05:57):
like it is in cons to when you had a
guy like JJ Watt here at his prime that would
put on for the home teams, right like JJ Watt.
Speaker 6 (02:06:06):
It was almost too much. Honestly, it like it was
like it was almost like, okay, like enough pandering, dude,
we get it, Like you love Houston, thanks, but.
Speaker 16 (02:06:15):
Even still in contrast to you're gonna wear the hats
of our rivals, what.
Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
Do you do it? Dude?
Speaker 6 (02:06:21):
Well, I mean I am with you on the because
I mean me and you both were college football fans,
and I think people know who we root for. But like,
for example, like I'll wear Notre Dame stuff, I'll wear
USC stuff. I mean, you know, Georgia stuff, any of
those things. And what always cracks me up is though
you're a this fan now, Like I wear a Florida
State shirt one day and I was like, no, I
just like the shirt, Like I know they are and
(02:06:43):
I don't root against them, but no, like I'm an
LSU fan and I'm gonna still be an LSU fan.
It's just I like the shirt. I mean, I'm with
them on that.
Speaker 16 (02:06:53):
And C is from La So like again, if you
were the Dodger sad, Okay, I get it, But like
wear Mariners and Yankees and it's like I get you know,
people like oh, he's a fan of this rapper who
or Mariners said, okay, fine, but like it's still is
weird when literally the other pro team in town is
in a division race with that other team.
Speaker 1 (02:07:13):
It's just a weird you know, it's just a weird dynamic.
Speaker 16 (02:07:16):
How would he feel if Reed Shepherd did a uh,
you know a thing yesterday at the Wolf Lodge, Like
what if he showed up where the Titans hat? Like Titans,
you're from Kentucky. Yeah, I just I just like to
the hat.
Speaker 1 (02:07:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's just weird, Like why would you you know.
Speaker 6 (02:07:30):
Well, that's that's where the PR staff has to step in,
you know, before he hits the podium and be like here, hey,
let me let me hold on to that. Well, no
I need a hat? Well don't.
Speaker 16 (02:07:37):
And if he's going to thee that night, and where's
it and where's the Maratha Okay, but like to wear
a press conference for the Houston team, It just it's
a little strange.
Speaker 6 (02:07:46):
Someone three two, one, two, five seven ninety is the
number to get in. Brandon wants to win. Good morning Brandon,
Good morning Dan?
Speaker 20 (02:07:54):
How are you good Man?
Speaker 24 (02:07:56):
How are you Gordy?
Speaker 20 (02:07:57):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
Hey? Brand?
Speaker 16 (02:08:00):
And you got to bring the positivity man, we need
uh we need to win these next four.
Speaker 24 (02:08:06):
Yep, Dan, do you number what we talked about it
last week about the Astros.
Speaker 6 (02:08:15):
No, you're gonna have to remind me, man, we need
to win you I mean, well, yeah, they've needed to
win for the last five games. That's been the problem, Brandon.
So I mean now that they're on for the final
four games, yeah, that's that's what they need to do.
Speaker 24 (02:08:35):
Number One, we got by Seattle.
Speaker 6 (02:08:38):
Uh all too all too.
Speaker 24 (02:08:40):
Well, let's try to beat the sweep with.
Speaker 6 (02:08:47):
Well, I mean you can at least try to get today.
Appreciate it, buddy, at least try to get today. And
then you've got three against Stanaheim, who excuse me, Los
Angeles of Anaheim, who have been on a slide themselves,
and they've even started, you know, kind of packing it
in for the season, probably about three weeks ago they
started packing it in. So you should be able to
(02:09:07):
handle that business. But again, could and should are two
different things, especially with this lineup and how they performed
this year. Squeezing one more before we get to Astros
GM Dana Brown, Roger wants to weigh Roger, good morning, Good.
Speaker 25 (02:09:20):
Morning, fellas. Maybe they go about I told them if
you go forward and see you might have a chance.
So it makes you start now they wish on the
on the on the hitting coach maybe is if bluence
is run dry. I know they dropped in Hasiusanchez and
the other guy the turn base, and just I don't
see them doing the due diligence make I don't know,
(02:09:41):
I don't know if they they I know they have
access to all the pitching trends, their tendencies, what they've
done before in their history. They've had the bat against
the pitcher, and I know they have all that to
their disposal. How are they really using it? And another thing,
I mean back then when we were you know, when
we're hitting the cover off the ball and we got
Brantley and pregnant and Korea even, and they were all
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peering up to the dugout and just really you know,
being being coached on that net dugout and just you know,
catching tails, maybe kipping pitches and stuff like that. We
just don't have that anymore. It's it's a big it's
a big influential gap that we're missing. And I just
hope that if we don't get we don't get to
the playoffs. You know, maybe they can adjust some of
(02:10:25):
that that some of that stuff that you know, those
gets unseen you know during the games, and uh, the
pitching lineup is really going to be in the first
shake up. I think just take Doug Gallen going to
see somebody because once they get into the afteref were
by and large we do make pictures, you know, make
them a better version of themselves, by and large.
Speaker 6 (02:10:46):
Well that's all appreciate it. I mean, real quick here, Gordon,
before we get set up for Astros GM Dana Brown,
I mean, could that kind of be the built in Hey,
this is why we brought back Jesus Sanchez, this is
why we brought back Christian Walker, all of these guys
that if you do make the hitting coach change, all right,
let's see how let's let's let's see how a different
(02:11:07):
voice affects them this year and working with them over
the offseason gets them ready for this season and see
if the results follow.
Speaker 16 (02:11:15):
Yeah, real quick, we had a few people on Twitter,
Ryan says Astros are at their best when they showed
patients at the plate. Since August they have been in
press mode and playing pit no joy. Yeah, I mean
it does feel like, you know, so many of these
innings are such quick innings, swinging at the first pitch.
It's like they when they were at their best, it
was working account all right. He battled back from both
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to it's now a full count, you know, And and
Alex Bregman was a big part of that. He's historically
he has always been that guy that worked in the
deep counts. And then Danny chimes and he says, hope
you guys have tough questions to Dana Brown.
Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
I mean I don't I don't know what tough questions
do you want to?
Speaker 16 (02:11:52):
Like, he's doing us a favor, coming on, So do
you want us to put Dana on the spot?
Speaker 1 (02:11:56):
Go data? Do you think you should have your job? Like,
come on, man.
Speaker 16 (02:11:59):
We were like, we're you know, we're gonna ask, We're
gonna ask the tough questions in the context of baseball.
But gosh, so many people just want they want to
head on a spit, they want heads the role.
Speaker 6 (02:12:08):
Yeah, no, I mean being in danger and missing the postseason.
We'll sure do that. Speaking of Dana, we'll talk with
them next as the Astros GM doing just us here
on the Seawan Salisbury Show for his weekly visit as
we continue along here on a Thursday of Sports Talk
seven ninety.
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Speaker 2 (02:13:12):
The Sean Sounds Very show continued.
Speaker 6 (02:13:16):
Let's just start offensively, just overarching view of the season.
One hundred and fifty eight down, so for more to go.
What have been your impressions twofold of the team's collective
approach at the plate, but also just the overall production.
Do we have Dana, Dana? Are you there?
Speaker 1 (02:13:36):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (02:13:37):
No, there he is, Go ahead, Dana, I'm.
Speaker 9 (02:13:39):
Sorry, so no, no problem. So yeah, the overall production.
You know, the injuries have certainly played a part, you know,
and where we are right now with the overall production,
it's been very tough. And you know what happens is
when you suffer these injuries, you got other guys trying
to pick each other up, and it's been a little
bit more good guys are put a little bit more
(02:14:00):
pressure on themselves and so it's a snowball effect right now.
And then we're feeling it, you know, because you know,
we've been struggling to score runs and so it's just
been you know, disappointing, you know, mainly because of the injuries.
But you know, the guys are still fighting through it
and trying to get through this thing, and you know
(02:14:20):
we're still alive. You know, we're not down, but we're
still alive.
Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 16 (02:14:26):
Dana's you know, mathematically not eliminated, but it is, it
is dire. I mean, they need to win, find a
way to win here. But I mean you mentioned it.
The injuries have taken its toll. But you know, look,
have they been out of this thing two weeks ago? Okay,
we get it. It was it was insurmountable injuries can't overcome.
And yet here they are still, you know, mathematically with.
Speaker 1 (02:14:47):
A chance here.
Speaker 16 (02:14:47):
But you know, is there any message you guys send
or mister Crane sends to the team in this situation,
or is it just kind of this is on Joe
to to rally the troops here, get these guys.
Speaker 1 (02:14:58):
Going and win these last games.
Speaker 9 (02:15:02):
Look, we we look at it as today, right, we
look at it as today. You need to get this
win today. If we win today, Detroit lous and Boston lose,
we're back to controlling our own destiny.
Speaker 22 (02:15:13):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (02:15:14):
And so that's the key. You got to get a
win today. And and and that's what's right in front
of us.
Speaker 1 (02:15:20):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (02:15:21):
You know, it's Joe's talked to the team multiple times.
You know, we've been down you know those roads, you know,
and inspiring the guys to get through it, you know,
even despite the injuries and things like that. And so look,
we we've battled, and I you know, I give Joke
a lot of credit for for keeping things together. I know,
(02:15:41):
you know, most clubs probably couldn't sustain such you know,
I mean, think about it. At one point we had
our one, two and three hitter out all at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (02:15:49):
Now we have our one and three hitter.
Speaker 9 (02:15:51):
Out right now in yourdin Opinia. And so, uh, it's
just been a absolute grind throughout this entire season with
the injuries, and the guys continue to show up every day.
And I know, you know, we're struggling on this five
game losing street. But you have to turn things around today,
(02:16:12):
you know, And and there's a chance by the end
of today we could be back controlling our own destiny.
Speaker 6 (02:16:20):
Astros GM Dana Brown joined us for his weekly visit
here on the Seawan Salisbury Show. You mentioned the injuries, Dana,
and just you know, this team fighting through one hundred
and sixty two, do you sense that there is a
little bit of a wall fatigue wise that that's been
hit by this team.
Speaker 9 (02:16:38):
Well, it looks like, you know, we've hit a wall
because we're losing, right, and so when you're winning, you
don't think you hit that wall. But I don't think
we hit a wall yet, you know. I just think
that you know, we've we've lost these five games, and
we can turn things around today. But look, we are
running out of time, make no mistakes, you know we're
(02:17:00):
we're running out of time. But we got to get
things turned around today. A win today could put it
right back. I don't think we hit a wall, though.
I think you know, we're going through a downtime at
a bad time. You know, this is not a good
time to lose five in a row.
Speaker 16 (02:17:18):
It is, uh, it is tough, like you said, and
the injuries have certainly been a big, big problem with it.
You know, kind of just just to look ahead a
little bit, you know, when you get to the off season,
just evaluating everything and uh when you look at how
I guess you guys handled managing injuries and all that,
is that something you think when we do get to
the off season, you guys will look at and the
(02:17:40):
process of everything from training to uh rehab everything because
it just I mean, it's one thing. I have a
couple of injuries day, but the insurmountable injuries you guys
have had. It almost feels like big picture, you need
to take a look at every little aspect of how
you guys handle it from from day to day and
everything with the training staff.
Speaker 9 (02:17:59):
Yeah, getting into too much right now, Here's what I
would say. Every year during the offseason, we always, you know,
have a review of, you know, what we could have
done better, Things that we could do to make the
team better, What can we do to strengthen the team,
you know, the whole thing. You know, we take a
complete look and give our assessment as a group in
(02:18:23):
baseball operations as to what we can do, what we
can do better. So I would say, in its totality,
we will take a complete look, you know, as a
staff and in baseball operations to see what we can
do better. And I would I would leave it at that.
Speaker 6 (02:18:37):
Again, Astros GM Dana Brown joining us for his weekly visit.
Hayes Due Sanchez has struggled since coming over, and he's
a guy that clearly you guys count on you you
bat him in the middle of the order. I mean,
is there anything that you can see that you know,
you guys could be able to be able to make
an adjustment over the off season to be able to
(02:18:58):
get him to reach the potential that you guys that
you were getting when you traded for him.
Speaker 2 (02:19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (02:19:03):
I mean at one point, uh, he looked electric, you know,
and in the batter's box things were going well.
Speaker 12 (02:19:09):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (02:19:10):
You know, he he had talent, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (02:19:14):
You know.
Speaker 9 (02:19:14):
The tough part is, uh, you know, sometimes you make
these trades and you thrust these guys right in the
middle of you know, high pressure, high drama, every day
pennant race, playoff chase, you know, and and and it
could be it could be overwhelming. It could be overwhelming
in the sense that you know, these guys start to
(02:19:34):
you know, put a pressure more pressure on themselves, and
you know that pressure to perform. You know, it's it
could be overwhelming at times. But you know, the guy
is very talented. He has big upside and you know
where we're trying to get him going. You know, if
we could just get him going and and squeak into
you know, the postseason, who knows. You know, this guy
(02:19:57):
may have an outstanding postseason. But we got to get
in and we still believe in the kid, We still
believe in the talent. You know, we believe in the
power and you know, but what we definitely have to
work to try to get him through this.
Speaker 16 (02:20:12):
You know, what what have you made of eastcoc Paradus
obviously busted his butt to get back here and rejoin
the team and try to give him a little bit
of offensive infusion before the end of the season. And uh,
you know, obviously he's he's playing through it and doing
his best. But what will lie ahead for him when
the off season does it is you think he'll need
a surgery, will get reevaluated or uh just kind of
(02:20:33):
what east ock Paratus has been given you.
Speaker 9 (02:20:36):
Yeah, he's going to be reevaluated. Uh, he's absolutely grinding
through it, you know. Uh, you know it feels like
at times, you know, he's playing on one leg, you know,
but you know, he's toughly enough to be out there,
you know, not one hundred percent, but grinding through every
single at bat. And and and we will make an
(02:20:58):
evaluation once he's you know, he's our medical staff this offseason.
Hopefully you know, things that heal completely and he'll be okay.
But he is certainly grinding through each and every at
bat right now, trying to provide you know, help to
the events that has has has gone cold again.
Speaker 6 (02:21:21):
Astros GM Dana Brown here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
Final one for you. I mean, we get all the
way to this point. Hadn't asked you about injuries? Is
there any chance that we're gonna see Yrd on Alvarez
this weekend? And what's the latest on Josh Hater and
minute Susa?
Speaker 9 (02:21:36):
Yeah, so Hater, you know, he's definitely had the and
and another MRI and and and it looks like everything
is healing, but he's still in no throw and so
you know, we're still waiting on him, you know, in
terms of you know, Susa. Look, uh, Susa is still
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a guy that you know, we feel confident that we
you know, we we can get into the postseason, that
we can potentially get him.
Speaker 1 (02:22:04):
Back, you know.
Speaker 9 (02:22:05):
And you know Alvarez, you know, he's not doing any
baseball activity, you know, but he's at least uh, you know,
walking and doing some small things, you know, on that ankle.
And you know, this is one of those ankles that
you know oftentimes you know, it's more than you know,
four weeks and we're trying to squeeze everything in, but
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he's he's still grinding into it, but no baseball activity
at this time.
Speaker 6 (02:22:30):
I know I said that was the last one, but
obviously can't end without asking you about yesterday's news. How
much of a bummer about Luis Garcia.
Speaker 9 (02:22:40):
Yeah, I mean Garcia has fought his way back and
he tried to you know, get back and provide us
some help. You know, he had you know, a few
a few outings here, you know, look promising at times.
And it's a bummer, you know, it's a bummer that
he's you know, gonna have to go back on nice
(02:23:00):
and you have surgery. You know, we'll have more detail
you know, from the doctor once they go in. But
it's really tough, you know, it's just it's like it
caps off our entire season with all of these injuries.
You know, I think we've been hit the worst, you know,
out of all the clubs with with just all of
(02:23:22):
these injuries.
Speaker 1 (02:23:23):
And you know, I'd like.
Speaker 9 (02:23:25):
To say, look, we get this game today, or we
could really turn this entire season around if we can
just squeeze into the postseason. So but yeah, certainly, you know,
the injury bug has got us in Garcia. It was
very tough news.
Speaker 6 (02:23:41):
To deal with absolutely Astros GM. Dana Brown. You want
to see every single week, Dana. Hey, really appreciate the time,
and hopefully we'll be catching up with you again next week.
Speaker 1 (02:23:51):
That would be wonderful.
Speaker 9 (02:23:54):
Let's go Astro fans. We still have four left.
Speaker 6 (02:23:56):
There, we go Astros GM. Dana Brown. Thanks, Dana, really
appreciate It's all right, So we'll come back react to
some of the things that Dana talked about with me
and Gordy, and also get you set up for the
Matt Thomas Show with Ross right here. If you want
to get in someone three two one two five seven
ninety can get someone three two one two five seven ninety.
It is the Shawn Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 2 (02:24:19):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show. Sales GREA. That's good.
Speaker 6 (02:24:25):
Some of the things, Gordy, you know that we talked
about with Dana, you know, start first with the very
first thing we talked about, and that was, you know,
just the offense, the lack of production at times this year.
And you know, as I've perceived and most of us
have perceived, not much changing in terms of their approach
at the plate, but injuries really taking their toll on
(02:24:46):
that group. That's at least what he believes.
Speaker 16 (02:24:49):
Yeah, I like he was, you know that he kind
of gave me an answer to my question. I mean, look,
something's got to change again. If i'm if I'm Jim Crain,
I'm I'm looking at the training staff saying, guys, something's
got to change the softings.
Speaker 1 (02:25:02):
Because this is absolute insanity to have.
Speaker 16 (02:25:05):
I mean, basically, what a third of your roster on
the injured list at some point this year. That's it's
absolute Nutso so I'm glad you gave that answer. It
was just it was tough having that interview Dan, because
it's almost like that, look, what's their percentage chest to
make the playoffs right now?
Speaker 1 (02:25:22):
Ten percent? I mean it's it's low. So it's hard.
Speaker 16 (02:25:25):
It was hard not for me to be looking ahead
and asking him off to these questions when you know
he's still in the mindset, let's win today and we're
still in that it's gonna take a miracle.
Speaker 6 (02:25:35):
Well, I mean it is, And this is the position
you put yourself in. I mean, just winning one of
these last two games, you would have been fine. You
would have still been in the postseason picture, and at least,
you know, with an opportunity now to you know, win
one of you know, these games in this series and
be able to set yourself up for a chance. But
(02:25:55):
I mean, now it's where you've got to win all
four of these and that might not even be an
I mean, you know, like I said about Detroit earlier,
they're going to win again. You would think they're not
going to lose their final eleven games of the season.
So how many do they win? Do they win today
and then win two in Boston they do that, you're done,
You're out.
Speaker 1 (02:26:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (02:26:15):
Losen to a team that doesn't even have a city
is nuts. I mean, they don't even given him about
the A's and Sacramento, like what it's gosh, we looked
at the schedule. What's the Angel's piece of cake? Two
out of three? Two out of three?
Speaker 6 (02:26:29):
How about don't get swept well, I mean it's kind
of the problem this year two out of three on
the road to the White Sox earlier this year getting
swept by the A's and now you could possibly get
swept again by the A's today. But hopefully that's not
the case again. One point thirty Astros on deck coming
your way. The Matt Thomas show with Ross coming up next.
By the way, they're at Big City Wings Tuckerton Road
(02:26:50):
out there in Cyprus, so stop by have some lunch
with the boys. But anyway, Gordy, appreciate your time. Chris
Gordy in for Sewn Salisbury. He's Triple, Emmanuel Elmore, Dan
Matthews here with you as we will talk to you
in twenty hours right here on your home of the
Astros Sports Talk steven ninety now
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