August 14, 2025 • 9 mins
Wrapping up their first series back home at Daikin since the trade deadline's conclusion, the Astros roll on to win another series, taking 2 of the 3 games from the Red Sox. Suffering a 14-1 loss the night before, the Astros still lead the AL West Division following the Orioles' victory over Seattle yesterday, putting the Astros 1 game ahead of the Mariners. Regarding Josh Hader's injury situation and not too sure on a timeline for returning, Sean and Dan take a moment to evaluate yesterday's victory, and pose the question, can the Astros continue to replenish players following their injury influx in the organization?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, here's the slide.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Josh Hader seeking a second opinion on his left shoulder strain,
and then manager Joe Aespota declined any further comment. According
to Chandler Rome on Twitter on the situation, to quote,
give Josh his space as he seeks a second opinion.
Sean personal experience would tell me and probably even you
and anybody else, when you're told I need my space,
(00:23):
that usually means I just can't stand to be around you,
or I need to be able to really think about this,
or just any of those possible things, because well, you've
reached a dire severe consequence in situation in life, and
in this case, I mean relative because it's the career
that tells me Josh Hader is done for the year.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Asked Dana Brown yesterday structural or just tired and you know, sore.
And as Dana Brown said, will know more when we
get the imaging done right and the imaging and that
will he said later today, meaning yesterday, which which means
the imaging was done yesterday. I'm gonna tell you the
(01:06):
way I look at that. Neither of you and I
are doctors, but I'm just going to tell you a
history for me.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
This is all.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Opinion without being a doctor in speculation, but just the
verbiage of it alone. Okay, and you know exactly what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
The vertige of it is your mic and stuff all
is coming through your ear piece will sound weird.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I mean it's a little hollow, but okay, I think
it might just be a.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It's it's okay, it's just maybe I feel maybe I
sound sex here.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I think so could be. We're going to go with that.
If if the people out.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
There here in my ear what I'm hearing in my ear,
so with that, I here's what I think. It's not
just the give him his space. If he would have
never said that and I and we're not blated to
see now now there you go, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Now we're in stereo. There you go. There For those
of you out there on the radio, you're mono right,
tell you sorry.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The motto of the stereo or dice A lot of
old school talk this one, like like nobody, I bet
you got the Mets astros and Daryl Kyle's I know, yeah,
we got classic games on in here, but like I
guarantee you like have you even asked, uh tripley, Hey, tripley.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Do you know what the ox cord is?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Like? You know? Of course? Oh you still do, okay,
because I mean now everything's blue the auxiliary cord. But remember,
like you know, when you're growing up, and then that
was the the next step before bluetooth speakers really became
a thing, is who's got who's got the ox cord? Yeah,
we're not on plugging your phone and be able to
play your music. We're not on a O L internet either.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
About that? He who knew they were even still around?
I saw that the other.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Day, gutt Feld says, yesterday, he says, you know, it's
kind of like that person that you that entertainer, actor
singer you thought was dead but is still alive and
one of the gals you'd be like, Abe, Goda, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I'm still here exactly right?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Great show? By the way, was that Barney Miller? Right?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
So he says, that's right, Oh, that's right, but gooda
was on right. I'm thinking you let me Barty Miller's Tom.
And the fact is people don't realize the young age
Vagoda wasn't godfather, which was really.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And he looked like he was in his sixties already, right,
they Wilfred Brimley, right, that's the guy who was born
Brimley was born seventy and lived one hundred and forty years.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And Vagoda is the same guy. Hey, whose dad is that?
Right now? It's my younger brother, right, How old is he?
Oh he's twenty two. Man, he looks seventy four.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Okay, but Matty's but he stayed seventy four for like
eighty years, right, and then lose twenty more so damn
back to the uh, the conversation that you were talking about,
give him space. That's one, but I even look at it,
even the second one second opinion. Yeah, at no time
can I ever remember in sports, for me or for
(03:53):
anybody else that you went and got a second opinion when.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The first one was good news?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Right, the second opinion and my opinion is please, hopefully
I'll find somebody this next doctor that says surgery or
you can pitch again this year if it's space and
I got to give you your space. I mean, what
are we hit an ivy League school during twenty twenty,
the COVID years where we got to give them their space?
(04:18):
They don't, They're they're feeling uncomfortable, so let's go have
a safe space.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Stop it.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So but with this I understand give them space because
I'm sure if it is what you and I think
it is, I'm sure it's a bummer for Josh Hater
because he has had such a great year and it's
just another blow to this team and.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Who wants to go through that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And you start to think if it's a shoulder, if
if this is, if it's rehab, you're thinking, okay, is
it labor them which I've been through, a rotator, which
I've been through, biceps which I've been through. None of
them are good. And when they're all at once, it's
a miserable rehab. It's more miserable than the replacement. I'm
just telling you it is.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's horrible, especially for somebody that uses the Thank you,
that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So it's just yeah, yeah, you're right. Because my right
it was on my left shoulder. All the two surgeons
has been on my left shoulder and had to have
a repeat of it because you know, you go in
there and scrape out a little scar tissue and fix
it up right second time. But in his case, right
I it was his case I mean, I get why
he'd need that. That would be a bummer. But put
it this way. The news you heard yesterday, that's not
(05:25):
that's not Hey, I can't wait. He'll be ready in
fifteen days. That fifteen day I l is in my opinion,
after hearing what we're talking about, there's no damn way
in fifteen days he's pitching if he's going to get in.
A second opinion, we've seen the movie even here. Second
opinion is equal long time off. Well, it's not only
long time off. I mean, it's that you're trying to
(05:45):
find any way possible to make sure that it's not
a long time off. So that's why you're doing it.
And we already saw it. One second opinion, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I mean we saw it once with the sock Perettis
where he goes and you know it was more severe
than we thoughts. And then second opinion, well, I'll give
him a peer injection and maybe he can let this
thing heal up and he's got a shot, which I
don't expect esac pretis back either, but we've seen it
with jord On. I mean they've gotten third, fourth opinions
even at this point because of all the different people
(06:13):
that he's seen to Hey, how does he fix this?
How is he able to try to get back? And
I mean still we're August fourteenth. There's absolutely no doubt
about it. I and you start to think about that.
Guess guess what starts to come to mind? Now you
start to think, uh, okay, what's going to happen next spring?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I mean that injury is that that is not going
to be an over you know that doesn't it's not
going to be fixed by Christmas if it is as
severe as we think it.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is without knowing exactly what, you know the full extent
of the injury is, which probably we never will.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I mean look at JP France.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, I mean I know a lot of people initially say, well,
at least it's not a form. At least it's not
an elbow, sure, but I mean JP Franz shoulder. So
I mean, if it's something like that, we haven't seen
JP Frantz in a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Which is weird.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
You know, you start to think when you said the
way you say it like that, it's strange it's been
that it has been that long, right, And you think
about the impact he made when others were hurt. We
needed him that year to hold it down from his
He was a really huge addition the year, his biggest
year when he came, you know, when they moved him
up here. I just this is horrible news. If it
(07:25):
it's horrible news right now, If Josh Hater's getting a
second opinion, I wouldn't be overly optimistic, although I try
to be at this stage of it. They I think,
we're we're If he needs space and it's a second opinion, Dan,
that's not good news, and they do.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
You don't have to be a.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Doctor to figure that out now. I mean, it's just
it's just kind of read between the lines. And you know,
I was talking about that Chandler room tweet that he
had where I mean it was something that everybody else had,
and somebody responded to give him a space six blanken
weeks left in the season Chandler's response and only Chandler fashion.
You can't really be this dense, can you. I mean,
(08:05):
that's it's it's kind of like one of those it's twofold.
It's it's like, dude, like read the room a little bit.
But it's also the six weeks is not the issue here.
It's it's about you know, like you said, you're giving
him a space because well, that's it's something that you
know you need to prepare yourself for a lengthy.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Time that you're going to be out.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
It's tough space because he's on the fifteen day and
he needs time away and to get with his family
for fifteen days. When you say that this is a
more devastating a result than you wanted and diagnosis that's now.
I hope we're wrong, But second opinions and given space
don't usually equal.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Man, he'll be back next week or we'll see in
two weeks. Yeah, it's it's a bummer, Dan, it really is,
and it I hate it. I don't think we're going
to be seeing Josh Hater throwing. How much more can
they how much more can they take? Well?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean I think this one might be the final
straw Like this one, this one, because when you were
trying to get that part of your bullpen short up
last year, you never really had it. He was up
and down all last year and at times when he
was good, he was great. But I mean he was
as automatic as could be this year. One time he
blew a save, one time this year he was an
(09:17):
All Star. So that's somebody you really counted on, and
now you're trying to scramble to find somebody and probably
the most important role in the bullpen, the guy that
gets the final three outs of a game. And I mean,
you know, we'll talk about that a little bit later too.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Can it diminishes your depth? No, absolutely it does.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I mean for a group that is already struggling right now,
they especially did not need this.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But you can jump.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Aboard someone three two one two five seven to ninety.
Again it's someone three two one two five seven ninety.
As we continue to talk the hater absence, how bad
is it going to hurt? We will discuss that here
as we're just getting going on a Thursday Shawn Salisbury Show,
Sports Talk, seven ninety
Well, here's the slide.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Josh Hader seeking a second opinion on his left shoulder strain,
and then manager Joe Aespota declined any further comment. According
to Chandler Rome on Twitter on the situation, to quote,
give Josh his space as he seeks a second opinion.
Sean personal experience would tell me and probably even you
and anybody else, when you're told I need my space,
(00:23):
that usually means I just can't stand to be around you,
or I need to be able to really think about this,
or just any of those possible things, because well, you've
reached a dire severe consequence in situation in life, and
in this case, I mean relative because it's the career
that tells me Josh Hader is done for the year.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Asked Dana Brown yesterday structural or just tired and you know, sore.
And as Dana Brown said, will know more when we
get the imaging done right and the imaging and that
will he said later today, meaning yesterday, which which means
the imaging was done yesterday. I'm gonna tell you the
(01:06):
way I look at that. Neither of you and I
are doctors, but I'm just going to tell you a
history for me.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
This is all.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Opinion without being a doctor in speculation, but just the
verbiage of it alone. Okay, and you know exactly what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
The vertige of it is your mic and stuff all
is coming through your ear piece will sound weird.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I mean it's a little hollow, but okay, I think
it might just be a.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It's it's okay, it's just maybe I feel maybe I
sound sex here.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I think so could be. We're going to go with that.
If if the people out.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
There here in my ear what I'm hearing in my ear,
so with that, I here's what I think. It's not
just the give him his space. If he would have
never said that and I and we're not blated to
see now now there you go, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Now we're in stereo. There you go. There For those
of you out there on the radio, you're mono right,
tell you sorry.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The motto of the stereo or dice A lot of
old school talk this one, like like nobody, I bet
you got the Mets astros and Daryl Kyle's I know, yeah,
we got classic games on in here, but like I
guarantee you like have you even asked, uh tripley, Hey, tripley.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Do you know what the ox cord is?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Like? You know? Of course? Oh you still do, okay,
because I mean now everything's blue the auxiliary cord. But remember,
like you know, when you're growing up, and then that
was the the next step before bluetooth speakers really became
a thing, is who's got who's got the ox cord? Yeah,
we're not on plugging your phone and be able to
play your music. We're not on a O L internet either.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
About that? He who knew they were even still around?
I saw that the other.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Day, gutt Feld says, yesterday, he says, you know, it's
kind of like that person that you that entertainer, actor
singer you thought was dead but is still alive and
one of the gals you'd be like, Abe, Goda, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I'm still here exactly right?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Great show? By the way, was that Barney Miller? Right?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
So he says, that's right, Oh, that's right, but gooda
was on right. I'm thinking you let me Barty Miller's Tom.
And the fact is people don't realize the young age
Vagoda wasn't godfather, which was really.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And he looked like he was in his sixties already, right,
they Wilfred Brimley, right, that's the guy who was born
Brimley was born seventy and lived one hundred and forty years.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And Vagoda is the same guy. Hey, whose dad is that?
Right now? It's my younger brother, right, How old is he?
Oh he's twenty two. Man, he looks seventy four.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Okay, but Matty's but he stayed seventy four for like
eighty years, right, and then lose twenty more so damn
back to the uh, the conversation that you were talking about,
give him space. That's one, but I even look at it,
even the second one second opinion. Yeah, at no time
can I ever remember in sports, for me or for
(03:53):
anybody else that you went and got a second opinion when.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The first one was good news?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Right, the second opinion and my opinion is please, hopefully
I'll find somebody this next doctor that says surgery or
you can pitch again this year if it's space and
I got to give you your space. I mean, what
are we hit an ivy League school during twenty twenty,
the COVID years where we got to give them their space?
(04:18):
They don't, They're they're feeling uncomfortable, so let's go have
a safe space.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Stop it.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So but with this I understand give them space because
I'm sure if it is what you and I think
it is, I'm sure it's a bummer for Josh Hater
because he has had such a great year and it's
just another blow to this team and.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Who wants to go through that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And you start to think if it's a shoulder, if
if this is, if it's rehab, you're thinking, okay, is
it labor them which I've been through, a rotator, which
I've been through, biceps which I've been through. None of
them are good. And when they're all at once, it's
a miserable rehab. It's more miserable than the replacement. I'm
just telling you it is.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's horrible, especially for somebody that uses the Thank you,
that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So it's just yeah, yeah, you're right. Because my right
it was on my left shoulder. All the two surgeons
has been on my left shoulder and had to have
a repeat of it because you know, you go in
there and scrape out a little scar tissue and fix
it up right second time. But in his case, right
I it was his case I mean, I get why
he'd need that. That would be a bummer. But put
it this way. The news you heard yesterday, that's not
(05:25):
that's not Hey, I can't wait. He'll be ready in
fifteen days. That fifteen day I l is in my opinion,
after hearing what we're talking about, there's no damn way
in fifteen days he's pitching if he's going to get in.
A second opinion, we've seen the movie even here. Second
opinion is equal long time off. Well, it's not only
long time off. I mean, it's that you're trying to
(05:45):
find any way possible to make sure that it's not
a long time off. So that's why you're doing it.
And we already saw it. One second opinion, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I mean we saw it once with the sock Perettis
where he goes and you know it was more severe
than we thoughts. And then second opinion, well, I'll give
him a peer injection and maybe he can let this
thing heal up and he's got a shot, which I
don't expect esac pretis back either, but we've seen it
with jord On. I mean they've gotten third, fourth opinions
even at this point because of all the different people
(06:13):
that he's seen to Hey, how does he fix this?
How is he able to try to get back? And
I mean still we're August fourteenth. There's absolutely no doubt
about it. I and you start to think about that.
Guess guess what starts to come to mind? Now you
start to think, uh, okay, what's going to happen next spring?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I mean that injury is that that is not going
to be an over you know that doesn't it's not
going to be fixed by Christmas if it is as
severe as we think it.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is without knowing exactly what, you know the full extent
of the injury is, which probably we never will.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I mean look at JP France.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, I mean I know a lot of people initially say, well,
at least it's not a form. At least it's not
an elbow, sure, but I mean JP Franz shoulder. So
I mean, if it's something like that, we haven't seen
JP Frantz in a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Which is weird.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
You know, you start to think when you said the
way you say it like that, it's strange it's been
that it has been that long, right, And you think
about the impact he made when others were hurt. We
needed him that year to hold it down from his
He was a really huge addition the year, his biggest
year when he came, you know, when they moved him
up here. I just this is horrible news. If it
(07:25):
it's horrible news right now, If Josh Hater's getting a
second opinion, I wouldn't be overly optimistic, although I try
to be at this stage of it. They I think,
we're we're If he needs space and it's a second opinion, Dan,
that's not good news, and they do.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
You don't have to be a.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Doctor to figure that out now. I mean, it's just
it's just kind of read between the lines. And you know,
I was talking about that Chandler room tweet that he
had where I mean it was something that everybody else had,
and somebody responded to give him a space six blanken
weeks left in the season Chandler's response and only Chandler fashion.
You can't really be this dense, can you. I mean,
(08:05):
that's it's it's kind of like one of those it's twofold.
It's it's like, dude, like read the room a little bit.
But it's also the six weeks is not the issue here.
It's it's about you know, like you said, you're giving
him a space because well, that's it's something that you
know you need to prepare yourself for a lengthy.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Time that you're going to be out.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
It's tough space because he's on the fifteen day and
he needs time away and to get with his family
for fifteen days. When you say that this is a
more devastating a result than you wanted and diagnosis that's now.
I hope we're wrong, But second opinions and given space
don't usually equal.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Man, he'll be back next week or we'll see in
two weeks. Yeah, it's it's a bummer, Dan, it really is,
and it I hate it. I don't think we're going
to be seeing Josh Hater throwing. How much more can
they how much more can they take? Well?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean I think this one might be the final
straw Like this one, this one, because when you were
trying to get that part of your bullpen short up
last year, you never really had it. He was up
and down all last year and at times when he
was good, he was great. But I mean he was
as automatic as could be this year. One time he
blew a save, one time this year he was an
(09:17):
All Star. So that's somebody you really counted on, and
now you're trying to scramble to find somebody and probably
the most important role in the bullpen, the guy that
gets the final three outs of a game. And I mean,
you know, we'll talk about that a little bit later too.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Can it diminishes your depth? No, absolutely it does.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I mean for a group that is already struggling right now,
they especially did not need this.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But you can jump.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Aboard someone three two one two five seven to ninety.
Again it's someone three two one two five seven ninety.
As we continue to talk the hater absence, how bad
is it going to hurt? We will discuss that here
as we're just getting going on a Thursday Shawn Salisbury Show,
Sports Talk, seven ninety
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