Astros Late Comeback Victory Over Royals, Peter Rose & "Shoeless" Joe Jackson Reinstated, Dana Brown's Weekly Segment!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Salsbury.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Okay, let's do this.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Sewn Salisbury to usc troupes, longtime friend Shawn Salisbury, Dan matthewscuse,
this is the Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
First pitch, swinging ground ball to the third basement, parades,
he back ends, goes to second out Rogers the first
of a play.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
That's what Robert does.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Great play by parades, good turn by Rogers, and the
Astros are out of the jam to.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
Strike pitch and pay your rockets went deep to left field.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
And you can test it.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
Goodbye off the community later signed hermy Paynia turns on
the fastball that were tied and one.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Cania go step for the sixth time this year.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
The to the win round ball, softly hit left side,
charging his parades. He's got it throws the first just
a time to get with bang bang play at first.
Royals are gonna take a look to see if they
want to challenge, and they will not hitting over, So
Robert Valdez works around to double in a hit batter
two zero, round ball left side to his left painya,

(01:16):
He's got it throws to first one two three inning
for Brian A.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Bray.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
You Astros seeking their first walk off win of twenty
twenty five. As we go to the bottom of the ninth,
the one breaking ball and that's hammered detail that field
care's that goodbye, He's sucker eighty spit home under the
season as.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
A walk off winner.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
The Astros beat the Royals two to one, hut.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Up this series at a game apiece. That's how it goes.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Last night over at dyke In Park, the bats that
enough for that. We say away we go here on
the Sean Salisbury Show on a Western Wednesday. Here as
the Astro is able to walk it off last night.
You just heard Robert Ford tell you that, and uh
left the Colton Gordon going to make his major league
debut tonight. Pete Rose and shoeless Joe Jackson now eligible

(02:12):
for the Hall of Fame. They are reinstated by Rob Manfred.
And I mean, Sean, it was a baseball heavy day
yesterday because you know how I feel about the NBA playoffs.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
But well, sorry with the as I remember you saying
when the playoffs started that you hated the player, not
the game.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
It's an extreme example, but I mean pretty much. I mean,
like I said, basketball season ended for me two Sundays ago, so.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
If they were still playing, meaning the Rockets, he'd be
all in on a game for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Like if they're playing last night, like I guess, they
would have played the night before and it would have
been I don't know if a late game because actually
it would have been here.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
But it doesn't matter. Would they have had Nuggets, No,
they would have had right Minnesota. That's exactly right that
they'd be.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Giving Minnesota a much better series right now, by the way,
but that's besides the point.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
We don't have to worry about it. But would they
would they? I mean without Steph Curry, Yes they would.
That's why they're there with Steph Curry. Different story because
that's the same team that obviously took care of Minnesota, right,
I mean took care of them. But you are one
correct that I would think the overall lineup is much
Put it this way, no Steph Curry, no advancement for

(03:20):
for Golden State even against this team because it took
them to seven games to do it, even though it
wasn't Steph Curry who dominated Game seven didn't need to.
But yes it is, they would be I would assume
giving them a better matchup because no Steph Curry. They're
just not good enough to overcome it.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
And they looked slow. Heard Matt and Ross talk about
it a couple of days ago.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
They look slow. Where was this team? Feels like they
were They're aging right before your eyes in the series. Now,
why why couldn't you have done that?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
What?

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Now there are four games into this one, So why
why couldn't you have done that five games ago?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, you know, for whatever reason, who knows, But you know,
the longer a series and maybe the less depth you
have or in your best player can cover a lot
of weaknesses. And even though Jimmy Butler's there, their best
player when he's healthy, we know who that is. No,
of course, so it can become a bit of an issue.

(04:16):
But it's amazing how serious, the serious and the truth
is the urgency of Minnesota and the young talent they
You know how you you'll watch in like a football
game when a guy who's been a really good player
just doesn't quite get there anymore. I'm not saying Golden
State's done because listen, dude, did we expect them to
begin here to even be here? I didn't. When they

(04:37):
got Jimmy Butler, you said, okay, what's this going to
look like at the end of the year, excuse me?
And they got him and we see what it looks like.
So it's there. They're more moxy and cagey than they
are athletic now. Although you know Steph Katele going out
and throwing fifty on your ass whenever you want it, right,
but we see it in football time all of a sudden,
you're going, You're going, it's like he can't make that anymore, yeah,

(05:01):
or he can't make that step aside step out of trouble.
Ben Roethlisberger perfect example of that too. Ben big physical.
Nobody as far as it probably ran a four to
nine or five flat, was as physical in that pocket.
He's as physical as we've ever had that, but just
ability to remember just stepping out of stuff because he's
just such a big, strong dude. And at the end

(05:22):
of the game, he wouldn't stay. At the end of
his career, he still put up four hundred yards on
your ass, but he didn't have that extiti and you said, man,
he can still throw it, but it's just different now,
and you did the last couple of years from Ben,
and I think he's one of the most underrated quarterbacks.
We've ever had the off the field stuff that people
give them hard time. Just on the field Roethlisberger, but
you saw on that team and it wasn't just him.

(05:43):
How quick are that team. It's like, damn, one second,
they can score forty on you. In the next second.
They're not very explosive anymore. Right, And Golden State and
Pittsburgh went on just good coaching and moxie and toughness.
I think that's Golden State. Now you see what happens
you take a great player out of a lineup that
they become a little bit. They look older. Yeah, they were.

(06:06):
Those guys couldn't throw a vertical ball forty yards at
the end of his everything was sideways football. It's not
only that.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
I mean, that's why Sean Payton finally got to a
point of hey, Kamara, mark Ingram, you're our guys.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
You're the ones that move this offense. And was given
what's his name, uh, the Swiss Army Knife, Tasom Hill,
Taysom Hill. Far more work you know at quarterback. So
and you're right, even in the last Super Bowl they won,
Manning was a distributor and keep things, you know. He
wasn't thrown for four to twelve, there's no question. And
they protected the football and played smart and that's and

(06:39):
and they were stout up front where he didn't take
a lot of hits, and he was able as always
to get the ball to the right guy even if
it didn't look the same right So here, Yeah, they do,
and they give it. But you're right about this, uh,
this basketball thing. I know you're disdained for that, but
I also know you love football. And this Pete Rose
and shoeless Joe Jackson stuff or baseball? Should I say
this Pete Rose and shoeless Joe Jackson stuff? I said football.

(07:00):
I've known Pete a long time and considered him a
really good friend and one of my favorite storytellers of
all time. I love this news. I think it's overdue.
It's a bummer. I get why they did it. I
just think it's a bummer that we couldn't have done
this six months ago, just at the very end. Well,
I mean especially you would have broke his rule baseball.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
I get that, but I mean it's also there was
other extenuating circumstances that went with it from him.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I mean that that I think probably over the course
of time or just yesterday. Just over the course of time.
You mean, like the arrogance a little bit, the lack
of remorse early on during the thing. Yeah, yeah, for me.
But for the gatekeepers, and there's there's I got news
for you. There's gonna be plenty of them, and buddies
that I know that vote for the Hall of Fame,

(07:47):
people that I know through the business that vote for
the Hall of Fame. They aren't going to touch this.
I know one, possibly too one for sure. Hall of
Fame voters. They won't vote for hose Al Touve after
what happened to seventeen. I'm just and there is an
arrogance about it, and I get it, And you say, well,
how do they get that gig? Like, for instance, is
Joe Buck. Shouldn't Joe Buck have a vote Hall of Fame?

(08:10):
But he's not a writer, right, it shouldn't. I mean,
watch as much baseball you start to think around. I
mean when Ernie Hart, when Vince Scully was doing it,
shouldn't Vin Scully have a vote? I would think so.
I mean, but it's use, you know, and not that
the writers are I do think there are some that
are that are that like Heisman voters that are on
the East coast or in the Midwest that don't watch
West Coast plays. If you're not getting a good time,
they're not watching every game. It's hard, it's impossible too.

(08:32):
We gotta pay attention. Pete put himself in a position.
It's obvious that the biggest issue in getting a guy
in the Hall of Fame is not steroids. Eventually that
eventually Bud Seelig, who watched it and he's in the
Hall of Fame, who over who oversaw it? They're going
to have to back off on that. They just are
if it's a Hall of Fame and it's a they're

(08:52):
at some point because it's hard to put a finger
on who is and who isn't dirty and who's clean.
Correct from the era when we weren't testing for steroids,
So we for you to you get it, even the
guys that had the implications. That's exactly my point, that
the smoke where there's a little, there's a little smoke.
So with Pete Rose, it's obvious that the that the
uh number one problem. It's not domestic viole. I'm being

(09:19):
serious sure that it's not any of them. It's not drugs,
it's not the number one problem for them was Pete
Rose's gambling as a manager, which was to them, just
as long as it's taken, you could do a lot
of other things that you'd say, well, and that the
part of the Hall of fame isn't being gentlemanly. Right,
we may have a lot less people in the Hall

(09:40):
of Fame, but with Pete's arrogance and what happened and
the signs on the door, you know, gambling, you know,
it's as stringent and as strict a rule as there's
been in baseball since it started. And Shoeless Joe has
paid the price. Pete Rose paid the price. And then
the question is, and we'll this us that I'm sure
throughout the day, how long is the price? Well, according

(10:03):
to the commissioner, now that he's passed away, he kind
of wipes away the hey in your in your lifetime
because now and then then that's why there's I don't
know if it's sarah excuse for the reason. Why did
they did not do that when he was live? Their
whole intention the whole time was to lift this van.
Once Pete Rose passed away, you would think so, I
mean it, well, it's obvious. Yeah, it's how long shoeless

(10:24):
jobin dead right exactly. So it's obvious they were waiting
in this Pete Rose for him to pass away and
then they were going to let him at some point
get his flowers. If these guys because in truth, no gambling.
Pete Rose is one hundred percent a one vote getter, unanimous,
without question. But there's gonna be some now that may

(10:46):
not get him in the next time they vote. Why
because well, of their just they they take it personal.
It's like when Tiger Woods was going through his off
the off the field course stuff. A lot of people
think that Tiger Woods was I mean, you're the moral
high horse for what Listen, you can feel bad for
his right that that part of the more. But Tiger
Woods wasn't my marriage counselor. And that's why I mean,

(11:09):
you come back. They love the story of the comeback
because like, he made a mistake off but that's that's
him and his wife and the business of the law
to take care of. If you were voting for Golf
Hall of Fame, would you leave Tiger Woods out because
what happened off the course and he was a jerk
to reporters now times, and he was a grinder on
the on the course. You know you wasn't talking to
you when he was going to beat your brains in.

(11:30):
But my point is, is it is it usually? I mean,
there's plenty of guys in the NFL Hall of Fame
if they were voting, is he a really good guy? Charitable?
Does he do a lot? Then? Then then then the question,
the bottom line is for Pete Rose on the field.
Now that the band's been lifted, I get why the
disdain and the bod that some just absolute went. But
now the band's been lifted, and if we're just voting

(11:52):
on baseball, Yeah, now that I can understand with the
band and people fighting for it, but now it's been lifted.
Name me one thing about Pete Rose. It says he's
not one hundred percent vote getter. If you're able to
compartmentalize and put the now that the band's been lifted
and you're not pre you're not bothered anymore because Pete

(12:12):
Rose the gambling sign on the locker in the clubhouse door.
Now that they've lifted the band, you give me one
reason why Pete Rose isn't a hunt isn't a one
hundred percent full on Mariano Rivera vote getter.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Well, I mean before more Mariano Rivera, I mean, wasn't
the big thing. Well, Babe Ruth didn't get one hundred percent.
What does bab Ruth have to do with anything? Yeah, well,
we could.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Go through the history of Babe Ruth and what he
did and didn't face, like like Henry Aaron and Willie
Mays and a few others. Sure we could go through
that because to me, I know, he was the first
one and he changed the game and the rest of it.
I don't think Babe Ruth's the best player of all time.
I'll just if you ask me right now, if I'm
starting a franchise with guys pre nineteen ninety or pre nineteen,

(13:00):
he's seventy, gimme Willie Mays. But I didn't see Babe
Ruth got to see the end of Willie Mays. But
Willie Mays was a little more closer to the timeframe
when some of us were growing up. So with the
with with this, with the situation, where so Babe Ruth didn't.
But that's okay, that's just like saying, well, the USC quarterback.
Before you wasn't any good, but the one after. It's

(13:21):
each individual situation. So yeah, babe didn't and he should have.
But how's Willy Mays not get one hundred percent of
the vote. How's Ken Griffy Junior not get one hundred
percent of the vote because of injuries? Okay, but as
a player, now that the band has been lifted, you
got to give me oneer. Don't tell me arrogance the
band's I understand the arrogance of why you didn't lift

(13:42):
the band, But now that it's been lifted and he
is eligible for the Hall of Fame, the dude's got
more singles then the majority of baseball players that ever
played have hits. Now, I want you to fathom that
for a second, al two, Vey's battling his ass off
and he'll he is going to have to get every
ounce of it to get the three thousand hits. Rose

(14:03):
has got singles singles, there are three thousand. So if
you want to say, well, he didn't have enough power,
really five different positions? What an all start? Four or five?
Of the point is that the only way now you
keep Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame like
going back to Tiger Woods. He wasn't my marriage counsel
because we did out that. I'm judging him by as
far as when it comes to voting or player, what
he did on the course, I'm not saying you encourage

(14:25):
what he did off saying with Pete Rose, Pete, Pete Rose,
I think he served his time suffering over this. He
told me in person, I said, Pete. As his body
goes Sean, it's always bothered me. He goes, But in
truth until the point now, Peter, remind me you're a
hall of famer. You're just a hall of famer without
the bus, You're just name's not in it. We should
have told the story a long time ago. Here's why
he's not in the Hall of Fame. Because it's a shrine.

(14:47):
It is a it is a shrine for people to
go enjoy it. It's a museum. It's that's exactly what
it is.

Speaker 6 (14:52):
It is.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
This is a hall of Fame. Well, it's for the player.
The truth is is for the fan right to go
in and enjoy. Tell the plaque, Telled. I've been saying
for it. Just tell the story. Why, Well, he gambled
and it was bad. You make your own judgment coming
out of there. But as a baseball player, now that
the band's been lifted, just on the field, there's no
player in the history of this game that played it

(15:13):
more right than he did. Growing up, my dad play
like that guy. And he was talking about Pete Rose. Yeah,
and that was when Pete Rose was a player, Play
like that guy. And and and it's true, so and
a lot of players runningto first base, but it wasn't
just that. I'll guarant ask to you if there's a
play at the plate in spring training and Pete Rose
back in the day, no catcher was running to score run.

(15:35):
I'll promise you Pete Rose wasn't avoiding contact in a
spring training game. That's how the guy played. So now
you got to make the decision. Is that your personal
preference because you didn't like him. The band's been lifted,
and we'll get to Shoeless Joe, who's was a hell
of a player Pete Rose, just on baseball accolades alone.

(15:55):
Now that the band has been lifted, and you're not
gonna tell every some of these guys are not going
to vote for it, right p Rose. As a baseball player,
there isn't five there's not ten guys in Major League
Baseball that he's not. He's in the team picture for
guys that if you're going to give a hundred percent
of the vote, right, he's in the team picture and
he will not get one hundred percent of the vote. Well,

(16:16):
is they guarantee?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
There's some thoughts on that, and we'll go through that.
Would you vote, would you vote him one hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I would. I'd voted him in twenty years vote. I
would vote in Bonds and Clemens as well. Yeah, so
does is it Rafael Palmara Hall of Famer? I would
think so, yeah, look at his numbers. Yeah. So with that,
and there's going to be the self righteous holier than
now there is. If you oversaw those skep if you
oversaw the steroid era, yeah, and you're in the Hall
of Fame, then then spare me. Because I hate to

(16:42):
say this, but it's a fact. There was a time
when Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa literally saved what was
going on in baseball. They were real they were reeling
from that. So I understand that I'm not a self
right so I get it, But real quick is I
do understand why people haven't. But if you're talking about baseball,
you can't look me in the face and say, nah,

(17:02):
baseball wise, he didn't deserve it. I'm holding the grudge
against him. The grudge has been held long enough. The
guy's dead. Now, Yeah, let's go now. And well, we'll
definitely get into this. I mean, Jason, I see you
went to weigh in on it too. We'll get you involved.
With the Astros.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Last night from were fantastic eight innings of one run
ball and they're able to walk it off with East
Soak Perettis. They're in the ninth innings, So plenty of Astros.
Talk to a lot of baseball today, NFL schedule at
leased tonight too.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
All of that to and much more.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
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Speaker 4 (19:12):
And we'll get it started this morning with Jason, who
wants to chime in. Jason, what's going on?

Speaker 7 (19:18):
Good morning fellows.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
How y'all doing great?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Man?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (19:22):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (19:23):
Lovely?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Well?

Speaker 7 (19:24):
You know, I like Pete Rose, and I know this
space sounds funny, but as a w W fan, I
got to watch him get inducted into the Hall of
Fame there, so that was pretty cool to watch. And
of course we all know the history between him and
Kane always getting chokes like that's a whole different story.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
When Pete Rose, I think it's about time. I mean
I thought the conversation should have been started whenever Major
League Baseball started advertising gambling during their baseball commercials and
on their baseball networks where teams would you know, say
bet Draft teams or bet MGM Grand or whatever it was.

(20:08):
And it's kind of hard not to have him in
there when you have basically his whole entire uniform in
the Hall of Fame. So it's like, but the sad
part about it is, and I remember Pete Rose talking
about it, he said it would be I mean basically
said it would be an insult that they accepted them

(20:29):
into the Hall of Fame after he died, and apparently
he told his kids, you know, not to show up
if they did so. I mean, I'm not necessarily saying
he didn't love the game of baseball, but I think
he kind of I think the MLB kind of shunned
him and he really didn't want I'm not gonna say
he didn't want to have nothing to do with baseball

(20:49):
because he was you know, on shows where he talked
about it, but like he left a sour taste in
his mouth, and I do kind of think it's a
disgrace that they didn't put him in why I was alive,
I mean, I just I kind of feel for the guy.
And the sad part about it was he never gambled
on himself or his team. He just gambled. And if

(21:11):
you can have a guy like or now, as they
claim the face of baseball, show, hey Otani and that
whole instant where he was gambled or didn't gambled, and
they pretty much swept it under the rugue. I think
it's kind of a disgrace to Pete Rose and I
wish he would have been alive had they led him in.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Now I appreciate the call Chase, and I mean that
is part of it too. That kind of sticks with me.
Sean is you know you do the on field there
in Atlanta for the World Series. What was that ninety
nine I think where they recognized him as one of
the games legends, and you know he's doing stuff on
Fox during the playoffs and other things that I mean,

(21:53):
clearly that's an MLB sanction broadcast. So it's kind of like,
all right, so he's permanently ineligible, but you still want
to them to the benefit of yourself. Like there, there
was a little bit of that too, that.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
That hypocrisy at its finest. Sure, absolutely, there's no question
about it. Listen. I get when there's a rule and
you break it, but where is the put it this way,
people who've killed people had more leeway to get back
into something than that. I'm being serious, And obviously we

(22:24):
don't encourage that, but he suffered through. And you know,
Pete's arrogance had something to do with it early on,
lack of remorse betting on his team as a manager.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
So there's some people are gonna say, if you bet
on your team and bet him to win every time,
and that the that the isn't that what we're trying
to do. But I also get that you just can't
do it because it's a slippery slope of when you
start chasing money and betting, it gets you to all
those things. But yeah, there comes a point in time
when you like, you're inviting him to the ballpark and
teams are putting them in their hall of fame or

(22:57):
hanging you know, putting statues out in front of the
state or whatever. Yet and you're and you're you're telling
everybody to use all these gambling sites, yet you're not
going to eventually let him back in and the O
tawny thing there, they'll say, well, we couldn't prove it, Otani.
You know, the only thing we could prove that he
wasn't involved. Even if he was, that he was never
getting We said it on the show, he's the Golden

(23:19):
dude of baseball. You weren't. You were going to do
everything you could to I confess that somebody else's fault,
even if he was involved, There's no question about it.
So with Pete served his time, I would have loved
to see him and make no mistake to our last
caller and having pretty intimate conversations about this subject with
Pete himself off air and on air. Pet Rose loved

(23:42):
baseball as much as him. But I've ever met my
life love sports as much as nimbody I met my life.
Forget the gambling part. He loved it. I want to
talk baseball with him all the time. He wants to
talk football and everything else. He just loves it and
loved it. And while Pete's toughness and arrogance at times
may have said, well he doesn't care and try, it

(24:02):
meant everything to him and he would be proud as
could be if he was alive and getting to go
in the Hall of Fame. He knows he's a Hall
of Famer, but just that validation he can he can
act as to you know, it was tough and like, okay,
it mattered. It mattered a lot to him, as it should.
But you know he robbed Peter and he paid Paul,
But how long do you pay Paul? Until six years

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until you die? Yeah, And that's exactly what's happened to him.
And they've lifted the band. But now that it's lifted,
you've got to take your personal feelings out of it.
If you're a voter, and you got to vote for
what happened on the field. And if he's eligible for
the Hall of Fame, he is one of the ten
bodies that you'd say, you know, Ted Williams and d'amagio
or Mannel or Clemente or Willie Mays, whoever it is.

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He's in the team picture, four guys that are no brainers.
And most of us growing up there was like I said,
my pop said that to play like that guy. Didn't say,
gamble like him. But when Pete was a player, play
like that guy. So I just, uh, you know, I'm
not telling anybody how they should vote. I know how
I'd have voted a long time ago. But I do

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get when you make a mistake, you've got to it
was a it was It's not a mistake. It was
a conscious mistake. He knew what he was doing, sure,
but After a while, he say, Okay, when do you
get to rightfully tell the story about p Rose? Because,
in truth, is it a hall of fame without some
of these guys in it? Without tell tell the story.
Tell the story. People wanted those stories, but baseball when

(25:29):
it comes to just baseball, come on, now, we know
he belongs in there, and you got to put you
You've got to be able to put your arrogance aside
and vote for him what he did in baseball. Now
that the commissioner said he is eligible to get back reinstated,
we've we've lifted the band. I don't see how you don't.
But there's no way he gets in one hundred percent
of vote. People are going to do it.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
It's the turnoff for many people about baseball. That Well,
we'll continue with the conversation about this because that's that's
what's really at the heart of all. This is one
of the words he just threw out. Well, it comes
to mind, and we'll do that here as we continue
on The Seawn Salisbury Show Sports TX seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
The Shawn Salisbury Show continued.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Pete Rose, shotless, Joe Jackson, many other posthumous releases from
the permanently ineligible list in baseball. It's it is, it's
the golden age of which I think he if if
nothing else, Uh Greg Rajon actually bringing this up last
night in the in the clubhouse, is that uh uh,

(26:34):
you know Trump's gonna take a victory lap for this too,
because if I'm not mistaken, I think as soon as
he got into office, he said something about this, and
it had been had been banging this drum for a
while about Pete Rose.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
And you watch, he'll he'll end up getting uh, he'll
end up getting stuff changed for an I l too.
That's what I mean. It seems like he's there's a
there's a group that just doesn't like Trump having Yes
he is, he's a verse himself, but I'll take it.
Good for Pete. It sucks. It's kind of I dropped
the S word. It's kind of chicken. You know what

(27:08):
they waited, but we now know that they waited for this.
This When Pete was buried, they felt, well, that's a
lifetime ban. He's no longer alive. Now his family can
enjoy it. But there may be nobody that would have
loved that moment more than him. Now, Like I said, self,
inflict that he deserved to go through the punishment, but

(27:29):
how long and he's a Hall of Famer. It's simple
and now nobody has to apologize or or or qualify
it now that they voted for Pete Rose.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well, it's selective outrage, is really what it is. And
we saw this on full display yes day. A couple
of examples of this. Bob Nightingale, USA today putting out
a story A dark Day for Baseball is what he wrote.
And what was another one Bob Ryan, of course, a
long time Boston writer. Now Pete Rose will now be

(28:01):
eligible for the Hall of Fame as uh, never forget
that Pete Rose may have loved baseball more than anyone
on earth, but he loved it gambling more at.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
That point in time. At that point, and you know,
Pete loved a bet post band. I mean, he liked sports.
But there's no law against that, right sure, but it
was almost that was almost like, well, of all the
guys that you know, the bet post, he's still betting.
He didn't learn as well, he didn't have to learn
his lesson post career because he's allowed to bet just

(28:33):
like you and ihore. But it bothers some I don't
consider what happened yesterday a dark day. I consider it
actually a really day of light that somebody served. His
time was great as a player in baseball, a great
ambassador that everybody knows that most parents told their kids
to play like Pete Rose growing up in my era
and watching him play punishment. Yes, we beg for comebacks

(28:57):
in this country. We love, we want, we want to
build a star up, tear him down. To the point,
I would say, to a point, I would say, did
you like Tiger Woods come back? Yeah? Yeah, I would
say for the most part, actors Robert Downey Junior's John
Travoltas that have made coming. For the most part, this
country loves comebackstories what we do. And I'll argue that

(29:23):
till the end, most people, most people, And then we
got a star. Oh then he tears himself or she
tears herself down, and then you you pile on and
then all of a sudden we see them emerge from
the the you know, from the grave, not obviously, not literally,
but figuratively, and we're like, we welcome them back.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Well again, it's the selective outrage of it. I mean,
it's everything we saw it here with the Astros twenty seventeen.
And then I mean I said this, and to make
it a college football example, when the whole Michigan stuff
was happening, I said, nothing's going to happen to him.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
And not only will nothing.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Happen to him, the pat forties and everybody they are
gonna p so hard for why it wasn't that big
of a deal. And I wonder why they were going
to do that, because they're one of the protected few
in all of sports that they get the benefit of
the doubt that say, if Clemson or LSU or Florida
State or somebody like that had been accused of what
they were accused of, there would have been every single

(30:18):
column out there about take away their entire program. Just
you know, this is the biggest stain on the sport
that there ever has been. I mean, it's if if
the Yankees were accused of doing what the Astros were
and what Major League Baseball found what they did, there
would have been nowhere near the amount of outrage nationally
or even internationally we saw the Astros because the Astros

(30:41):
were the Astros were easy, low fruit to pick, and
people want to choose the lazy route. No matter what,
because it's the easiest and there's very little pushback.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Right there, though there's no question about it. There's absolutely
no question about it. But apparently people didn't mind that
come back either, because I do believe we can go
around on the league. There's a lot of players that
were on that team that're playing else where. Most of
them are playing somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
And that teams that had people who are booing and
cheater and all those different love them now. Yeah, like
those Boston love Alex Pragmant.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
A matter of fact, they don't even talk about it,
right because he's helping them.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And so that's why I don't get caught up into
all the chatter because the same things that make you
are pissy off now he's in your built well, and
I don't know what he did, but Mookie Betts is
a Dodger and they love him in LA and he
was in Boston when all that stuff was going on.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
There's two things that Baseball almost has an embargo on
fake tough guy, which we heard a lot of that
after twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
And that's the thing, Oh, we're gonna start hitting them
all of that.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
I was like, you're gonna do none of those things,
because if there is any hint of a chance of
you getting into a fight, you're not going to step
up to that line one right.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
The other one is sanctimony, And I mean and that
exists with voters, players, that exists all around especial the
decision makes Pete was not remorseful. The hell does he
have to be remorseful to you?

Speaker 4 (32:00):
You for because you put a few words on a
page that that you feel and you've got to vote
for something that you feel like, he's got to be
remorseful to you. Like you want to talk about arrogance
and all these other types of things. You must not
have mirrors in your house, because you probably would be
staring back at yourself.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Here's what I don't get. Hey, here's what I don't get. Okay,
So you want remorse, I would say that going through
thirty or plus years of it is remorse. Six years?
Do I need? Do I need to look you in
the face and kiss your ass and bend me for you?
Listen the punishments said I made a mistake? You're dude.

(32:36):
Do I have to sit here and and and brow
beat the fact that you have made a mistake and
just call you once every month to tay you I'm
sorry or is once.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Enough spoken word? They would tell you no, but on
the inside they would say, oh, they want you to
beg for forgiveness.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Episode absolutely every single day is if your punishment take
the bended knee. That's what it is. That's exactly what
it is. And until you do, we're going to assume
that you didn't care, that you think you're bigger than baseball.
He wasn't, he isn't. But now that it's been lifted,
he belongs in the Hall of Fame. And if you're
not voting for him, it's a personal thing. It has
absolutely nothing to do with his performance on a field.

(33:09):
Sean case in point. Why is David Ortiz a Hall
of Famer thing? People love him there, he's engaging, he's
on TV, he's relevant. He still stays relevant in the
baseball by going. He's fun loving. He was a part
of what he said after that Boston Strong, all those things,
those pictures that were in and all rightfully so sure,
big Poppy, but Big Poppy went through some of the

(33:32):
the old uh and did he get an advantage testing.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Nowhere near what Pete Rose and you know Barry Bonds.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
And Robert there's no doubt. And look at this, even
a guy like Andy Pettitt, who I love, and he
got out in front of it, apologized to he's rehabing,
thought would help. Do you ever hear him mentioned in
any of these things anymore? No, because why he went
about his business. He came right out and and good
on him. I've always been a Pettian and he said,

(34:00):
I'm gonna look at the face and dress and then truth,
we don't even put him in the category anymore. So
he's more out of sight out of mind though, But
but but but there's a lot of guys that are
out of site that aren't out of mind. Conseko's still
not out of mind. He's out of sight, but it
comes up. But that's a five hundred home run guy.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
Right.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
If everybody's gonna lawd you know, if youse see people
are gonna laud Mike fires for doing what he did
in a way, you gotta do the same thing with
jose Canseak.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Did he lie?

Speaker 6 (34:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Pretty much everything he said came fruition, right, So he's
a Kat Williams of baseball, right that that is a
good one get truth and so but did say yes,
am I am? I? Well, I raise my hand and
say a little biased because I've always loved Pete before
I met him, and when I met him, he didn't
disappoint me love, and we had some great conversations with him.
So maybe, but I just know this is a baseball player.

(34:48):
Now that the band, I get the argument of why
you weren't voting for him or Major I do gambling series.
I get it. Doesn't mean I have to agree with
it for thirty six straight years. I get it. And
it feels kind a chicken that you decided to do
it that way, but that's part of that was the
plan obviously, because Pete Rose hasn't been in the dirt

(35:08):
for six months and now the band's lifted, which set
his lifetime. He served it the rest of his life
and passed away, and now his family, if they want to,
we'll get to enjoy it. We all know Pete Rose
as a Hall of Famer. He just wasn't in the
building and it's going to be a bummer that he
missed it. But at least we got it right. Yesterday
wasn't a dark day. A matter of fact, quite the
opposite for Bob Knightingille, who I've known forever. Like Bob

(35:30):
wrong on this one. It's not a dark day. Matter
of fact, it's a really good day to appreciate remorre
repentance or whatever that is, serving your time and getting
a new lease on life. Because as a baseball player,
he did it right. As a player, he did it
the right way, matter of facts, right as anybody. Pete
Rose would have hated the current game with the gimmicks

(35:52):
and bigger bass. He would have hated he was alive,
and I'm sure he'd made those cons Pete, and I've
asked him, But when I say hate it, Pete could
never hate baseball. But Pete Rose, I guarantee, and the
Ray Fosse thing at home plate and at All Star Game,
p Rose didn't want gimmicks. He's a pure baseball player. Unfortunately,

(36:12):
it was the sport that he loved and the gambling
that he loved that took him down. But he is
now going to get his rightful place when they vote
him in, if they do the right thing and vote
him in, because when the band's lifted, you go through
ten people. He's in the Mickey Mantle and the Willie
Mays and the Tony Gwynn. He belongs in. Yeah, we
can continue this conversation. You want him in Pete.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yeah, I've already answered it. Yes, and that's that's a
double Yes. I know you've said, I mean you you
think it's overdue.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Correct. It should have happened during his lifetime, should have
happened years ago. Why can't we paint to tell the
story of people who make mistakes but still provided us
with great thrills. Why can't we tell the story.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Of Sean They didn't bend the knee to the church,
that is the moral high ground police that are and.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
And be repentant every day to every single guy who
I wonder why people say that can't stand the media. Yeah,
well yeah, and then you all get put into the
same class unfortunately.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, there you go. Well a perfect life. You better
live a perfect life, that's all I say. Yeah, Well,
I haven't met anybody who's done that yet. Definitely not me.
I can tell you that the Good Lord maybe, but
you and I I mean every day. So yesterday was
in the dark day. Yesterday was some of the best.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
News we've heard a long time. Sports I'm a sports
radio host. I'm not supposed to give you life advice.
That's for you to figure out. Try to give it.
But you know what, who's listening, it's up to them.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I can tell you this baseball advice, says Pete Rose
belongs for sure, and it's time.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Yeah, well we can continue this conversation to uh. I
got a quick little Pete Rose story I'll share with
the class. And then also, do you want to get
into the astros last night from or boy, he is
making it hard on this Astros front office.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
We'll talk about it here.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
It is Shawn Salisbury show.

Speaker 8 (37:53):
Let the celebration start war Sean Salisbury. It's a Sean
Salisbury show.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
You got you got somebody that's you know, it's one
of those two where again I said earlier, you know
the spoken unspoken, you know, friend of yours? Hey, man,
mom's hot. Don't ever say it out loud, don't say
it to them. The hell's your problem.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I'll say it to them.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Just getting there, girl, Yes, I mean sure, but I
mean if you're really good friends, then maybe you can
get away with that.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
But if not, Yeah, is that your sister? Yeah? Right,
use that one. That Oh, that's that's that's the line.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
By the way, Pete Rose years ago TriStar Collector's convention
over at the old Astrohoule is uh is where I
actually no, I think it was the g RB. It
doesn't matter, but uh, anyway, pay the money. I'm eight
years old and my mom, you know, takes me to
the show and we got, uh, you know, a card
and Pete Rose gonna sign the card. Go up there, Pete, Hey,

(38:52):
young man, is this your mom or is this your sister?
And then of course me, well, now, mister Rose, it's
my mom. Old I was eight. Yeah, at that point
in time, you're not thinking that Pete's trying.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
To little kid.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
I spoke like nor McDonald's if you didn't catch my dress. Well, no,
mister ols my mom exactly. Hey, Boddy, why don't you
just sign the card?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
There you go? Could you imagine norm in a conversation
with Pep. That'd be that'd be classic. What if they
ever had one that's uh, that's classic, But they're having
right now. That's exactly. Hey Pete, about time you got
no Hall of Fame? Huh are you gonna get in
the Hall of Fame? What's that? Like? I've told you
if I could cause one of these days, we'll get
swartzon on here to tell the story about Norm McDonald
and getting on a train ride to San Diego from

(39:37):
l A and then Norms shocking him and waking up
the next day and Norms golfing in Arizona. Kevin neal,
I'm playing with me. You're ware? What are supposed to
go home? Back to LA today? After the up all
night get you know, Hans Franz. He wakes up waiting
wait for him to the lobby after a night after

(39:58):
they performed, he and Sandler and stuff, and they put
one on originally when they asked him because Sandler said,
we're going down San Diego do comedy you and me,
and it might have been Spade and Schneider whoever, and
he said invite. He goes and uh, Sort said what
about Norm? Let's getting Norm to go? He goes Santas, Yeah,

(40:18):
get get Norm to go to So he calls up
Norm and Hey, Norm, uh going down to San Diego
show you. We would like to have you. Sandler wants
you in. We'd like to Oh okay, what what where
are we going? Well, we're leaving on Friday or whatever
it was Thursday, we're taking the train, the train amp

(40:39):
damn track. How do you do that? He said, well,
norm you go buy a ticket and get on the
train and here's when it leaves. And this is true
sport Dick swords. Yeah, yeah, how do we do that?
And he said that they go down to San Diego
and they do their shows and the night before they're

(41:00):
coming back to l A. After with three two or
three whatever they did. How many days? Norm is out
of you know. It was having a little mix of
the perk and the drinks. You know, no big deal.
And he said, Norma gets like drooling against the wall.
But he you know, Abe Heason bellishing. He says, Norm's
out of his mind. We're done. We're at the hotel bar.

(41:20):
I'm gonna walk him up to just he goes, Norm
and he goes. I walk him up and put him
to bed. He says, Norm, we're leaving at nine tomorrow morning.
Be in the lobby. I can't. I'm playing golf with
Kevin Nalan. He's like out of his mind. Sure you are, basically,
get your ass to bed. We'll see in the lobby.
He wakes up. He's a lobby No nor McConnell calls it, Norm,

(41:45):
are you I'm on a seventh hall in Scottsdale with
Kevin Nana playing golf. Hey, Nick, he says, put Kevin
on the phone, Kevin, where are you guys at Kevin? Well,
helly and haer Kevin's voice. I'm playing golf with Norm.
We're on the seventh hole in Scott's Sale. So he

(42:06):
literally went all that, and and Schwartz said there's absolutely
no way in hell he can get out of bed
and go play. He said he can't take a train
ride from LA to San Diego. Norman him, were tight
right the swarts and he goes. But the dude after
last night, can't see straight, is playing on the seventh
hole When I wake up and I'm in the lobby
to leave with Kevin neland like he said, he goes.
I don't even think he remembered the night before seventh

(42:28):
hole when he called him next day, and I thought,
what a what a gamer, What a gamer? Norm McDonald is.
So I would imagine he and Peter having some good
conversation and today is a not a dark day, It's
a good day for baseball.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Yeah, absolutely, we'll continue that conversation too. Also, do you
want to get into Farmer's performance last night? All that
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Speaker 2 (43:15):
Okay, let's do this.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
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Speaker 8 (43:22):
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Speaker 4 (43:31):
They both get reinstated yesterday, as well as many other
past players who have of course passed away by Rob Manfred.
And of course the opinion's flowing out from that one.
And uh, you know we've shared ours. You know that
many others have shared theirs. Real quick on this Sean,
before we get into the Astros. I usually whenever it

(43:52):
comes to things like this, I defer to the people
who know the most, i e.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
The players.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I mean, with all the stuff that happened with the Astros,
you know, with the revelations in twenty twenty and after
the initial outrage war off, who are some of the
loudest defenders of the Astros, It was the players you
know Chris Saale, you know Joey Vado, Different players like that. Well,
Mike Schmidt yesterday releasing a statement it's a great day

(44:17):
for baseball. Commissioner Manfred has reinstated Pete Rose, making them
eligible for the Hall. The ongoing question of whether or
not Pete Rose should be elected into the Hall will
be answered by a select panel in the next Classic
Baseball Era Committee. Congratulations to Pete's family, his teammates, as
well as his supporters who have waited many years for

(44:37):
this opportunity for consideration.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I would like somebody to call and tell me why
he doesn't belong in Now you had the argument? Then?
Do you have the argument now? I wouldn't think so.
And even then, I think your argument was very flawed.
Oh great, And I don't know if this is even
a fair comparison. If a guy's married or married and
she cheats on him or he cheats on her and

(45:02):
they get divorced, should the next person, Now they probably
do well, wide it end, But should the next marriage?
Oh I can't. I can't marry that person. They made
a mistake fifteen years ago on their previous marriage, even
if it was I mean, I know that some people would,
But listen, it's it's rare that you get the one

(45:24):
that you date one marry one that you know what
I'm saying. Sure that I'm talking about from your seventh
grade sweetheart all the way until you died at ninety five.
My point is if that happened to you, divorced, regardless
of the reason, but the person then you shared the
reason why you got divorced, and it was opposite of
their feelings of their church or their religion or whatever,

(45:45):
but they still loved you. They can hold against you
rest your life. They would, right, That's my point. But
you know, and it was listen, it's a conscious mistake
to cheat on somebody, right, It's just it's a consciousness
take to gamble when you know you can't resid that's
called an addiction. When you can't, you know what you're
doing is going to get you caught. Eventually you're going

(46:06):
to get found out, and you still do it. It's
like the person who knows he's getting steroid tested and
I've been in those locker rooms and still does it,
hoping that the random test never comes his way. But
eventually it will find you, like a ball finds a
rookie third basement, it will find you and knowing that
so the addiction part of it, but who are not
making that? Well, he's addicted, so we got to cut

(46:27):
him some slack. And you know we can all use
that right. But my point is, at what point in
time is forgiveness and or did he serve his time?
He's dead now and it's unfortunate that he's not going
to get to see because he'd have been proud as
could be. But his family will as we've talked about.
But Dan, I don't well, okay, put yourself in an

(46:49):
in the situation of a voter who's a hardcore you
either do it perfect your whole career. I'm not voting
for you fair enough, even though there's none of those
guys either. What would you if you were that guy
and I said to you, tell me one reason why
you're not putting Pee Rose in the Hall of Fame? Now,
what could you tell me? On baseball? Yeah, but he's

(47:10):
he served his time and he's done. No, that's that
I mean.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
But that's what they think in their mind is the
cardinal sin?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Are you willing to sport there? There? There is no
repentance Okay, So that's what you're saying, that you're either
perfect and and you're hanging on the cross for our
sins or you're not. There's no forgiveness.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Ness broke the number one rule in baseball all the
same things.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
That you hear.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Gambling is illegal at Bushwood too, sir. And besides, I
never slice and then right into the woods. Okay, so
let me ask you this, dude, I'm talking to you,
Disco Dan. No, we call you what do we call you? Now?
Double Yeah, disdained Danny, double d's disdained Dandy, not not

(47:57):
not a good doubley be disdained Danny for a second.
I want you to be the devil advocate, right exactly,
that's for sure. Yeah all right, So you own a
business that maybe it's not in the financial world, there's
a felon. Does a white collar crime stole money from
a previous company, spent thirty years in jail? Twenty years
in jail comes to you, man, they had an awful lawyer.

(48:19):
That doesn't. But again, I'm just That's why I'm being blatant.
You said overdue for pete ros. That's why I'm giving
you an extreme Sure comes to you goes through the
interview process, and that served my time. I don't think
I owe anybody else in a Pi've done it, and
I'm honorable. You can do whatever it is. You've got
to go through the protocol to hire me, and you
like him, and you think he's worthy, and his and

(48:41):
his his resume tells you, aside from that, that this
dude's a difference maker. You hired him, so, Gordon Gecko, basically,
you know, just like the second are you giving a
scholarship to a kid who made a mistake in the
sixth grade? He stole beer from a refrigerator from from
a supermarket and got his handslapped, but stole beer and

(49:04):
he and his seventh grade buddies went and drank it
behind a you know, the ballpark and trying because they
saw their mom and dad drink a beer and got
in trouble for it, handslapped. You're a high school coach.
Are you not playing him because he made a seventh
grade mistake? I know these are small You get my point.
It's the forgiveness point. Where's you draw the line? Where

(49:25):
do you draw the line? So if you're would you
hire him a guy like that? Twenty years ago, spent
twenty years in jail served this time. Everybody tells you
he's rehabbed, he deserves to be out now, and he's
got and he he's a great salesperson. He's as good
at his craft before he went in that Pete wasn't

(49:46):
his or what epic Michael Milkin type of guy that
makes sense? Now you know who that is, obviously, former
financier Michael milkintt right, white collar crime with the jail.
But everybody turned in when they wanted and he comes
out in the second he's out, everybody wants his financial
DEVI are you hiring him?

Speaker 4 (50:02):
I got to I've got to have people I trust
vouch for him, like if it's other people that he vouches.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
For him, and okay, they just go through they say,
forget his history, just based on performance alone in his
past career. And he's had another job since he's been out,
and somebody else hired him, and he was for five
years and he's been productive. You're looking at him saying,
this dude can elevate my sales staff. Give him a chance.
But I mean giving him a chance is not necessarily

(50:30):
giving him power. Okay, but you're giving him a chance
to do it. Are you not hiring him for one
reason because of the sin twenty five years ago? If
it's the sin I painted, not some where he killed
fifteen people and sure you know it was a MS thirteen,
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about made a
major mistake twenty five years ago and knew it. Are

(50:52):
you hiring him or at least considered. Does he get
to come into your office for an interview? Yeah, I
talk to him? Okay, sure, okay, So would there be
any different and you not hiring somebody like him if
it wasn't. He didn't kill anybody, just just some white
collar crime. But it was a devastating one for somebody,
cast somebody there for a one K and and their
finance their retirement, which is devastating, and that person couldn't
quite recover. He's gone back and paid their family, paid

(51:18):
their family what he owed, what he stole from him.
Twenty five years later, once he got out, is he rehabbed.
I mean, we've got a perfect example here in town.
Joe Mixon. Okay, what people say, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Mean on camera, despite what may or may not have
gone into it, he still did it.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Got a chance, didn't he. Yeah, so I'll ask you again,
would you interview and hire him? He's making your business
better and he's for the last five years he's been
making another bus, had no issues at his previous job. Yeah,
I absolutely would interview him.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
But it's also too I mean, that's that's also on
me to make the determination of My point is, so
I feel like I can trust this person.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
The reason why I'm saying my point is, you go
through it, every thing checks out except you didn't like
the decision he made you. You believe in him, and
everything checks out, and you're like, damn, I this guy's
this guy, he deserves this chance. Are you still saying
he deserves it? I love him, he can make it better,
but I can't forgive him for thirty years ago when
he stole that four to one k from from from

(52:18):
that family and he paid the money back.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Right, That's that's for me to find out. I mean,
that's that's part of you know, doing your due.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Diligence, and if you make a mistake, then you move
on from it and say it screwed up. And gave
a guy a chance, and obviously he's not ready because
he stole from our company too, Right, that's the chance
that that's what I'm saying. Well, Pete rose is in
the grave now, he's not begamble, He's not doing anything,
has he? So I'll make it so has he served
his time? I thought he served his time twenty years ago? Okay, Well,
then the bottom line for you is you damn well know.

(52:44):
I mean, we got the minute the Menendez brothers are
out on parole, right, I think it's time for Pete
Roseby in the Hall of fame or do you get
my point?

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, so, but there will be some old school that
loved him as a player, can't get over that.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
Sin.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Oh, don't worry.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
The the parroenting columnists are going to be out and
I say, parent, they'll be out this morning parody. Because
that's the thing is, Oh, they're so brave for writing this. No,
they all wrote the same thing. They all wrote the
same thing. That's not bravery. What's what's brave about doing
your job?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
About? Okay, the guy bet on sports and he's he's
he's done. What's brave is when he was in the
middle of it and you thought he was a player,
and you looked at other people's histories of maybe somebody
wasn't a good guy, or somebody broke the law and
still in the Hall of fame. That's I'm not saying
he didn't deserve the punishment. I'm saying for you to
hold that grudge now. But what you're saying basically is

(53:42):
did that arrogance and or punishment that the same guys
who loved him as a player are not going to
put him in simply because of one reason. They can't
forgive his mistake, even though Major League Baseball did. When
I say forgive, that's not it has foregone the life,
the lifetime bans over because it's not alive. Yeah, So

(54:03):
at what point in time do we all say forgiveness
is necessary? For some It'll be never. So is it
fair for them to have a vote that they're voting
for stuff that happened away? Or is gambling an outlier
because it's different because it did happen in a clubhouse.
It didn't happen where he broke a law speeding when
one hundred and ten miles an hour and got a

(54:25):
ticket and didn't pay it or whatever, you know, whatever
it is, right, is this is this different? Or is
this a forgivable sin as well, a forgivable baseball sin.
For some it's not, and for some it never will be.
And what does a lifetime mean to you while you're
alive or even when you're dead. I would think it's
while you're alive. Okay, So you're a voter. You're voting
for him, right, Yes, No matter how much you had

(54:46):
disdain for his game, even without all of that, the
answer is still yes. Right. That's why I'm trying to
give you every opportunity to say no, Sean. That's the
one where I say no and you can't.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
No.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
It's for the reason you also brought up earlier of
you know, the kind of you know, half toe and
the water of Hey, he's still one of our games. Great,
so we'll honor him there. Hey we can still have
him on MLB on Fox, so we'll have him there. Hey,
we've got a great partnership with DraftKings and all of
these other companies.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I mean, like the hypocrisy that goes with it, and
we're making billions and he can't get in. So but
but in truth, does you know the test of time
and what Pete Rose went through and get an opportunity
to get in the Hall of Fame. Does this fix it?
Does it make it? Does it make it? I didn't
need to make it better. I didn't. I didn't need it.

(55:31):
And if the light right, and if a lifetime ban
for some means lifetime means even when he's dead, then
that's a tough burden to carry around if you're that
person carrying it around it. But there are those that exist,
and they're they're going to He's going to get in,
I would assume, but there's plenty they're not gonna for sure.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Yeah, Terry, Brandon, Bob, see you guys right there. I
know all three of you want to get in on
this conversation. We'll give you that chance. But also to
the stakeout, always a great part of the mornings here
on the Sean Salisbury Show. These things are dumb and
they need to go away. This one in particular is
no different from what I just said. We'll talk about
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Speaker 2 (57:18):
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Speaker 4 (57:28):
It is Sean Salisbury's show. The Astros like ike As
in the East. Sakperetis two one at winners last night
thanks to his walkoff home run there in the ninth
Pete Rose Shueless Show. Jackson reinstated to baseball, and the
NFL schedule comes out tonight. We'll find out when and
where the Texans are playing this season. Sean, what are

(57:51):
your thoughts on gender reveals for kids? You got friends,
you got family, you got anybody that you know that
they let you know, Hey, we're we're having a little one.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
You know what, I'm not a ginger revealed guy, ginger
a redhead reveal. No, I'm not a ginger reveal a
gender reveal guy in my own well, remember you know
Vin Scully wandered around.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
They say, by the year twenty fifty, there will no
longer be redheads?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Right? Is that true? The rare gene right right? The
true redhead. I I, for me wouldn't do it, but
I get it the excitement and the truth is now
some of them are cheesy and overboard and spend It's
like you spend all that time doing this, But in truth,
as I told you, I'm kinder and gentler, Dan, Why

(58:40):
do we think kidding? Yeah, well yeah, that's a good point. Okay,
yes I'm not either, but it sounds good. Why are
we mad at it? It's cheesy, it's irritam But some
twenty five year old gal who was having her first
or forty, I don't care. And they're having their first
child and they're excited and their friends want them to
do it, and it's it's something they've talked about. Why

(59:02):
are we so bothered by it? If it wasn't social media,
you'd never know. And quite frankly, there probably wouldn't be
many ginger reveals because it wouldn't be right because it's
a it's a it's a there's no doubt, it's an
optics thing. Well, but I put it this way. I
lean more towards oh gosh again, yes, and how cheesy
is and some of them go south and the rest
of it. But deep down they're not really disrupting anything

(59:24):
I do. I can, I can scroll on by. I
don't care three things. For me.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
They're self serving, they're corny, they're unoriginal. Everybody's done them right,
you know, Hey we're having a baby. Hey, here's my shoes,
here's his shoes, and here's a little pair of shoes.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Well, isn't Taco Tuesday self serving? Unoriginal? And everybody's doing it,
but it's delicious. That's exactly right, right for them.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
I don't yell it before I eat, and I'm not
Lebron James, but just okay Tuesday and I'm eating tacos.
And here's the only reason why people won't quit doing it.
You do it, you post it, and then a thousand
people tell you how cute it is and how good
it looks. Of course you're gonna think it was right.
And then there's the other thousand who say it and
are like, oh, this is cheesy, but in true corkboard, in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Truth come in October twenty five. I would never do
it having air and if somebody care. If somebody came
to me and said, hey, I want to do this,
I'd say, well, you sure, if you want to do it,
go for You're not for the sixty seconds it takes.
It's really not that big a deal for me. Now,

(01:00:24):
if a wackle Hollywood person does it, I'm I'm I'm
not going to take it that serious because in a
year they may say that person has enough decision to
make their own if they want to be a guy
or a girl. So I'm not real sure that Hollywood
stars are the whack jobs that do that that at
two say well, my daughter's my daughter's old enough to
know that if she decides to add a pecker, then

(01:00:46):
then she's okay to make that decision it too. No,
she's actually not, so if a Hollywood person's doing it,
I'm a little skeptical on you're going to change that
up in a year when you say you're two year
olds old enough to make decisions on what their sexuality is.
Save it. But in truth, I'm not real mad. I've looked,
I said cheesy, come on again, But in truth, when

(01:01:07):
I got bigger fisher fry than worrying about some person
in Cincinnati that is having a baby, good on them.
Hope the baby's healthy. It's really not that big a deal.
But do I'm with you on all three? Is it unoriginal?
Is it cheesy?

Speaker 6 (01:01:21):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
There are some that are pretty originally say you know what,
at least they thought outside the box. I don't have
a big problem with it. I'm just I like to
find out the sex of my ben. I did for
all three of mine. But it wasn't I didn't need
to tell the world until they were born. Oh, oh,
I understand, But that's that's how social media is. Everybody
has to know. We need to know that you took
a bite out of your burger in a restaurant right

(01:01:41):
in Ohio that we'll never get to or it won't
tell us. But man, hey, that burger looked. It looks good,
but we have no idea where to get it because
but we know you took a bite out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Or there's two others that are basically the tree falls
in the forest, that it really happened if nobody was
around the seat or hear it is working out and voting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Oh, we take the picture. You voted, thanks, Yeah, yeah,
you got your sticker on. Oh I voted. I did
my civic duty. You ever noticed that whenever people who
tell you they.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Did their civic duty that really, honestly, they're the they're
the worst people in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Oh, to talk about self righteous. You did your civic duty, right, Sean,
It was my civic duty. Yeah. I voted because I
wanted to vote for who I thought was gonna win.
There you go, and I'll tell you what, I'm more
bothered by just what you said. I'm more bothered by
the dude in a tank top who takes a selfie
of himself on a stationary bike with his headset on right. Then,

(01:02:34):
I am a gender reveal from a twenty five year
old who's excited because their first Basha. There's no such
thing as a bad workout, yeah, or in the gym,
the obligatory sitting in there showing us the dude who's
you know, the little flex in the back, or after
every set kind of looking in and screaming at the
gym like that. You know, that guy bothers me far

(01:02:56):
more than the gender reveal. Hey, I'm on the treadmill. Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
What brought this up was influencer Lelly Pond's Leey Ponds.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I don't even know how you say it. Maybe triple
you will say it, but do what couldn't do it? Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Her and her husband did the gender reveal, and the
way that they did it was they were both up
on stage with a TNT detonator and they had people
wearing ponchos that were blue that said team boy and
pink that said team Girl, and of course they pushed
down the debtonator and pink paint came out with such
force that it knocked her over. So you go through

(01:03:36):
all of that, all all of this just to basically just,
you know, just just do the confetti at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
But at that point time it knocked her over, right,
you're putting the baby in danger.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Well, and then the ones that always cracked me up
is the guy that you know, maybe had a hint
of a baseball career. And I say a hint because
the guys who do this are the ones who go
play slow pitch softball and you know, they show up
with the bag with the bats and everything and they
take it indictably serious.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yeah, there you go exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
And then you know, oh, man, I I would have
I would have gone and played at Texas Tech if
it wouldn't for my coach.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
No, I think it was Europe that was the reason
why you didn't go play at Texas Tech. Had a
hammy my senior year, right right or right right, and
nobody wanted it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
But then they do that the the the either just
full on pitch or the soft toss and then they
swing and miss and then the ball, you know, the
ball bursts and you see the paint and everything, and
it's just like, oh, your.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Little moment, it didn't go the way.

Speaker 6 (01:04:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
There you go show that to your kid when you
when you when you try to chi them about how
their effort was in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Remember this. We are going to leave that video out
because dad swung and miss yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
About how to play the game. I heard about your
playing days. You're playing days, weren't even playing days.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Oh, I'm with you, dude. But the gender reveal, it's
like I said, do I think it's cheesy, But it's not.
It's it doesn't bother me because I don't pay much attention.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
You've been in coaching. Those are the worst parents. The
best parents the ones who actually did it. Like a
buddy of mine coach Bigio's son. He said he'd ask
them for advice all the time. Bigiod say, no, you
got it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yeah, stay involved, but not overly involved, right, stay there,
go there and watch your court.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
If you hire somebody to coach them, let them coach them. Yeah. Yeah.
If you don't want to do that, then you coach them. Yeah,
and don't pay it. You coach them. If that should
get to a point where sometimes they could listen to
the parents and you need a different voice. And if
that voice is out there, the best thing a parents
should do is instead of control freak, step aside and
let them do it. And if you don't like the
way they're doing it, pull them out and go find

(01:05:30):
somebody else. Yeah, it's pretty simple concept. Yeah, And if
you're one of those parents that doesn't like it, do
what I always did. The little league parent who's yelling
at the umpire, who gets a snow cone after the
game and that's their pay, go down the right or
left field line, mind your own business and watch the
game like I did, so you don't have to listen
to the non sense buddy of mind.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Coaches in Georgia coaches Kirby smart Son, and I go,
how's Kirby? He goes, he's great. He sits out in
center field, doesn't talk to anybody. And it's not a
matter of one mean about talking. I'm glad to watch
my kids play. Yeah, yeah, I'm not for me. It's
not the same social session. That's fine, but I want
to watch my kid play and I don't really want
to hear you chewing out a twelve year old there's
something in the third inning, you know, I think you

(01:06:09):
should go. That's that's equivalent to like, you know, people
recognize me or you, Hey, you know you guys should
talk this more on the show that I think that'd
be interesting to people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
No, we appreciate it. When you're our producer, we'll do that,
or you're our program director. Sure, yeah, yeah, your name's
at the bottom of the check. I'll listen until then. No,
I'm with you. I love them, but I don't if
you want to coach them. That's when I coached, Like literally,
I said, if you want to volunteer, come on out. Yeah,
all your parents come out, you stand by your kid
at short stuff. But once the season starts and you're
not volunteer, you don't get to come up to me

(01:06:41):
and tell me my kids should be pitching. There you go. No,
it's not about that. But I'm just saying I'm not
saying that. Yeah, yeah, but it's like my kids, Well,
I understand that if you want to come out and volunteer,
and let's get him on the mountain and do it.
But they're all gonna play, and they're all gonna play
different positions. Romanowski, I mean it wasn't it guarantee it was.
It wasn't until Richie, you know, busted his windshield of

(01:07:03):
his Miata that I've had. I've had guys that never
played the position, and I'm not being mean. Hire me
to coach their kid and stood back there and we're
coaching them while I was coaching, and it happened one time.
And I love the guy now, but I said, for
this hour, he's mine. You're paying me. Now, if you
want to quit paying me, you stand out here and
coach him. But if you're going a helicopter, you're gonna

(01:07:24):
have to do it over there parked because we're not
sending that message. You trusted me, and if you don't try,
they're fine, that's no big deal. But that hour, that's
my time. There you go, especially since you already paid
for sure. Now, if you want to do it, have
at it. But it's not going to have that. That's
just way. And whether if you don't like the way
he's getting better, then move on. No big deal happens
all the time. We all do, because I all move

(01:07:44):
on from a family. If the guys at Alicopra or
he's using eight different coaches, and I got to correct
seven different mistakes. Yeah, if you're using three coaches and
training with different ones because you can't say no to
then then then I'll bail out.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
I won't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
I won't stick through it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
I'm not fixing other people's mistakes on a regular basis
by a conscious decision. Yeah, I stay out of it.
Let parents do their things, Terry Bob. See you guys
right there. We'll get you involved in. We're gonna get
back on time track, right sure, sure, yeah, why not?
U see y'all there.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
You want to get in on the Pete road stuff,
you can do that seven one three two one two
five seven ninety. Also do the Astros conversation here. As
the show goes along, don't forget Dana Brown coming up
nine point thirty right here, Sean Salisbury Show, I Live for.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
The Sean Salisbury Show continued. That's when Disney and Dan
comes out. Yes, yeah, yeah. As soon as that happens,
it's like you know, me sitting at the bar. Song
comes on and I immediately do the eye roll. The
That's that's when that happens. And then of course you
know you've got the obnoxious table behind you that are
all singing, right, you know, the lady with a really
obnoxious laugh, and then you know, of course she's the one,

(01:08:52):
of course that starts doing that to get drunk. Would
you say that he bothered by simple thing? Sometimes? Very
What happens if your significant other wants to have a
gender reveal for her, I have a kid? Yeah, what happens?
What happens if she wants to have one? Because you're
you're around that time when you're gonna start thinking about it,
i'd imagine.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
For for for her, I'd say yes, yes, absolutely, but
we're not going to do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Do what I say, do what I do, or don't
do what I do, do what I say. Well, there's
rules and exceptions. I've told you this. This this is
the thing about the show, it's the thing about me. Hey,
it's your it's your gender reveal. Right, that's even though
a bugs, you'd still do it to make your lady.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
I'd be I'd be open minded, but I just say, okay, look,
if we're gonna do this, let's do something original, like
I don't know, I mean, that's that's the whole workshop,
you know that we would put the plan together, no corkboards,
no little shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
No hitting off a teeth, no hit. I mean, if
if it was going to happen, that would be the way.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Now I will say this, like brother in law future
brother in law for their first child and the second
one is about to have one year old birthday this weekend,
have your birthday, Archie. But for the first child, gender reveal.
He's a big golfer. So you ted one up fair enough,
and and you know blue blue powder. Do youwhere here?

(01:10:12):
Gal is gender reveal type?

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Okay, so you're you're pretty sure you're not gonna have
to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
I think that it would be more or less word
of mouth. And then you know, I'd be one of
those Oh you had a child, I didn't know that,
Yeah you do now, Yeah, now you know. And when
they go to their first kid the first grade, you'll
take every single picture in the world in their first
day of school, but not on social media. Yeah. Yeah,
that's that's one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
That's one too, Like, you know, he's gonna hate that
I do this, but I don't care. My brother and
sister in law, they're like the most private people and
every single time, oh, don't take any pictures, you know,
and post them on your Instagram. I'm like, first of all,
most people aren't gonna care about your kids. Second of all, yes,
I am aware of what the internet is, trust me,
so no, don't worry. And I the last time he

(01:10:58):
reminded me, I told him, I said, you've told me once,
because I'm one of those, like I'm a creature of repetition.
So it's weird that I'm annoyed by a thing that
I do. And he and my dad are both repetitive
people in terms of telling me things.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
And sometimes I've been hardheaded. I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
But the last time you did, I go, you've told
me before, don't say it again. I looked, sure as
I'm looking at you, most people out there can't see
how I'm looking. I said it to him like that,
I go, he told me once, don't tell me again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Did he tell you again?

Speaker 10 (01:11:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
There you go, There you go. I got the point across, right,
you know. Sometimes you got to put the foot down,
got good home? Yeah. I like, yeah, that's a guy.
You could play that every every break. That was good
crooning right there? Yea was that was that was? That
was top notch. All right, Terry Bob, I promise you guys, tis.
So you're gonna tell me Terry and Bob are getting

(01:11:48):
in right when we come back, straight path guaranteed, no
blocks anything. You're not gonna ask any question other than
when you give your your headlines. You're going right to
Terry and Bob.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Being that's right right there, Sean Salisbury Show Sports Talk
seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
The Jean Salisbury Show continues first in line, Terry, good morning,
Good morning guys.

Speaker 10 (01:12:14):
Hey, before I get to my peak comment real quick,
I just wanted to tell Sean I got to several
years ago go to one of his roundtable deals that
we got to sit around and eat pizza and kind
of shoot the breeze about sports and life and some
other things.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
That was a good time.

Speaker 10 (01:12:33):
So thanks for that, Jerry.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Thank you. And you know what, when COVID hit and
I've been lazy about well, I know we're all busy,
but it's time to start the round tables up again.
Ten fifteen, twenty people. We had such good times. I
know exactly who you are, Terry, and I'm really grateful
for I learned a lot and had so much fun,
and a lot of the people that were there have

(01:12:56):
remained friends through through this. We do it every like
every other week, once every two weeks, once a month,
different places, breakfast at college football Saturday. That's so Terry,
thank you man. I miss it and we're gonna get
back to it because I just I enjoy being around
the people that talk to us every day. I wanted
to do it so for surround table talking sports have

(01:13:17):
some cold beers and talking. It's just kind of some
good luck and some friendships were forged where people business
wise get to help each other too. So Terry, thank you.
Man's what else on your mind? That's very nice and
we will do it again. I make sure of it.

Speaker 10 (01:13:30):
So on the Pete Rose team. So anyone that knows
a little bit about baseball history knows that Leo Durocher
was the manager of the nineteenth of the Brooklyn Dodgers
in the forties. He was suspended in nineteen forty seven
for allegedly gambling. He actually missed Jackie Robinson's debut that

(01:13:56):
year as manager. So not only did he not only
was he allowed to continue with baseball, he was allowed
to manage in baseball after that, and including the Astros,
who he managed for a year or two in the
seventies and then he was put into the Hall of
Fame in nineteen ninety four. So you know, it's obvious

(01:14:20):
that baseball is very selective and they pick and choose,
you know, who they're okay with and who they're not
okay with. And I think a lot of things with
Pete is his mouth seemed to be his biggest enemy,
where he just couldn't let it go for long enough
to just keep it quiet and then just you know,

(01:14:43):
see if they would, if they would put him. He
wrote a book, he did a media deal, an interview
or something, and you know he should have just like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Just let it lie, you know, for a while.

Speaker 10 (01:14:56):
He just he just couldn't seem to do that for
some reason. But I think you're right in in that
when it comes out to they's turn, because these sanctimonious
baseball writers probably are are. I don't know that he's
going to get in on his first year. He should,
but I don't know that he will. But I think

(01:15:17):
that the that the process is going to have to change,
uh at some point, because you have a bunch of
as dan pulls and gatekeepers who who just cannot uh,
you know, actually look at someone's actual career and put
them in based on what they did as a player

(01:15:38):
on the field. And you know, and you know, this
gatekeeping thing has got to stop. I think that they
really kind of need to get into where they allow
maybe existing Hall of famers to vote or something that
something has to change, because otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
This is just going to continue, right point. Appreciate the call, Terry, Terry,
I I will tell you this and thanks again for
the content. We'll do that roundtable. Excuse me again? Many
of them is I can tell you this talking to Pete.
There are things he'd do different that I can tell
you for a fact, not everything, but then and Pete
and he's he's Terry's right that there was times Pete

(01:16:18):
just couldn't stop himself from voice in his opinion. But
that's who he is. He wasn't gonna go with. But
there are things he would do different in the in
the of course, the gamy part, but in the process. Uh,
that's one. And as far as the gatekeepers go, al
Tuvey will get into the Hall of Fame. But I'm
with him. I think that there's going to be those gatekeepers,
as you call them, that will prevent him from being

(01:16:40):
a first ballot Hall of Famer. Because of it, just
to send enough message to say, well, he wasn't part
of it. When they'll say, well you sure don't know
enough yet, or if you do know enough, I just
can't get by that. And I've had a Hall of
Fame voter tell me that, so he should be. But
I'm I'm with I'm not sure he's going to get
in on the first ballot.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
Well, I use the word sanctimony earlier, and I will
give baseball, the current game of baseball credit. There's a
little bit less of it than there was even ten
years ago. That's that's encouraging generations change things, and that's
a lot of change now in the generation. Guess when
they grew up watching baseball steroid era, right, and a

(01:17:22):
lot of some of them, it probably changed their perspective
on Hey, look, I know this game is hard enough.
Just sticking a needle in, you know your backside doesn't
all of a sudden make you a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
And there's some who never saw Pete Rose take a
swing other than highlights. Yeah, So, like I said, there's
argument made for everything. The one argument you cannot make
is that now that he's cleared, that he does not
belong in the Hall of Fame. He does. You can't.
You can't. You can't. You can argue with me that
I just can't get over myself and not voting for

(01:17:53):
him after what he did. Gambling is self righteous stuff.
And I get it. It was a rule and he
broke it. It's a base ball law. That isn't even
a baseball rule. That is a baseball law. And if
anybody's caught doing it now, it's like, dude, what are
you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
That's like that's in addition to knowing what there's arrogance
about that too. It's right up there with the given
things that you know that's right. So there's no debt.
And I get the argument.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
But one thing you cannot argue his performance on the
field as a player. And now that he has been
had the band lifted, if you're just looking at what
you should look at now, baseball performance. Not only should
he be in the Hall of Fame, he should get
one hundred percent of your vote. And that's not going
to happen. No, it's just not.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
The columns will be out and I just couldn't bring
myself to do it all. Thanks, you know, my god,
I I was not ready to either enjoy or not
enjoy this moment without you putting out that column thing
that's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
I just I just can't consciously do it as if
it's affecting your life.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Well, yeah, I'll pass. It's some people are some people
have a gimmick. They they want to continue to just
bang their entire time, and look, that's their business.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
I don't know. I don't have to like it. I
don't know whether to get mad that they waited till
he was passed away, or say that's the way it
was set up. It's set a lifetime ban in the
second that he was the consideration while Trump and all
that involved in all these people who pined for it,
their whole narrow, their whole paradigm shifted once Pete Rose
passed away. If Pete Rose was still alive, Pete Rose.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
That we would not have this decision today, for sure,
Bob Kenneth, see you guys, We'll get you guys involved
in the conversation. You can join them sebon one three
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(01:22:22):
we get our callers, Ray and Kenny. In radio, they
call that laying out. We like to lay out, nice,
good turn, keeping the people hey, but do this, let
the let let the sound go, and then just lay
out there you go that sound lay just just you know,
know the moment that that's always in your ear piece
that he is, hey man, and that sound layout.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
Like Rory makes the putt there at the Masters Jim Nancy,
then he laid out, Yeah, you let all the people.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
We got to let the crowd tell the story. Now
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well on radio, but but it can walk off home
run at home game where it's loud. I think you
can get the you can get the feel of it.
I still think less is more after a on a
on a big.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
Play after you get the three fist pumps from Robert
Ford after the L two V walk off of a
worldist Chapman.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
See you later, see you later, see you later. The
worst is like on a long play like the Balls
in the Air, or on a football play that's like
a ninety are is when the color commentator jumps and
and and is uh all over the play by play
call guy's call when he's trying to get through his
call and you're interrupt you yeah, right, like I'm doing here.

(01:23:33):
Just it's like, dude, just be quiet, let him finish
the call, and then layout, and then you get all
the analysis.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
Why would you talk about Tony Romo? You know, Jack Potts,
the Chiefs win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Oh, this is such a Chiefs play. Okay, be the
guy that says that the fifty, he's at the forty
and forty. Oh my gosh, can you believe we got
a chance?

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Ten?

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
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play by cracket, right, no doubt about. Yeah, that one's
not going to go on the real for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
NFL schedule going to come out tonight too, So I
got all this schedule party, Are you really interesting?

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Speaker 12 (01:24:32):
Yeah, say Sean, you remember we had a conversation be well,
you know before Pete passed about this here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Yes, we did, about him and the call of fame.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
And I just want to say this here so a.

Speaker 12 (01:24:44):
Lot of people can understand, uh, because me and you
are about the same age, what it was like growing up,
going from the cradle to going your whole life seeing
this dude ripping balls your whole life man, and you're
growing up into a man and he's still around doing this.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
And then you look back at what he did.

Speaker 12 (01:25:07):
Nobody will ever be a utility player like him. I
think he went into he went he went to a
All Stars as all five players, I think, and and
the hits that he got, and I think he got
two more records and a lot of stuff. I'm going

(01:25:28):
on memory, but I know he had so many records, man,
but I'll never forget about all those hits that he
had and how many times he went games with consecutive hits.

Speaker 6 (01:25:39):
And the dude was good on defense left that he
played with.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
I was just gonna say, I think what right field,
left field, third base, second base, first base, five positions.
I know he was an All Star either four or
five of them switch hit or obviously four thousand plus
hits and you know what you know and three thousand
plus singles. You know, we're didn't hit with a lot
of power. And he played it right, man, just talking
about on the field, he played baseball right.

Speaker 12 (01:26:07):
And I just have to say this here, man, it's
unreachable in today's salary and the way things are.

Speaker 6 (01:26:14):
And look at that that big red.

Speaker 12 (01:26:16):
Eight team that he played with included Johnny bench Morgan
and Griffy.

Speaker 6 (01:26:23):
Come on, man, whoever's gonna reach that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
And did George Foster m VT here when Foster hit
fifty home runs? Plus? Yes, Tony Perez, he's our Geronimo.

Speaker 12 (01:26:34):
Yeah, yeah, we had this conversation before we even arrived
to this. I knew it was gonna happen someday. I
had it, but honestly, I thought I probably would be
eating souping and sitting in a diaper when it happened.
But it happened sooner than I thought.

Speaker 6 (01:26:53):
I just had to say that.

Speaker 12 (01:26:55):
And I just wish I'd got to see him before
he passed, because see, right now, I took, I took,
I took a lot of things for granted, I got
to say this for you before I go see.

Speaker 7 (01:27:05):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:27:05):
You know, men, you came up in a time where
we could go and find these guys and talk to them,
or either they came down the neighborhood. Man, and I've
been trying to make my round to see some of
these people. I wish I got.

Speaker 6 (01:27:15):
To see him before he passed.

Speaker 12 (01:27:17):
And coincident about him right before George Forma passed, I
meant to get by there to see him. And I
heard on the radio that that Saturday morning about it, man,
And it's just a gut punch. I'm going up to
Chicago next week. I'm gonna go by Dickers.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Man.

Speaker 12 (01:27:35):
I might not see him, but it's worth the try. Y, Yes,
I gotta do it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:40):
But uh, but I just had to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Thank you man, Kenneth, great stuff, and I hope you
go get to see Mike. And I'm with you, see people,
ken I was able. I played phone tag with Pete
probably two months before he passed. It was time to
get him on again, right Falcon Baseball And it was
my been during either to start the way, when did

(01:28:04):
Pete pass? What month? What was his exact day? It
might have been heading into this season, just picked or
at the end of last season. I can't remembers told
this story about my mom's my mom it was her
birthday last year. There you go, Okay, So it's all gosh,

(01:28:25):
it's been nine months, hasn't it. It feels like Pete
Rose passed away in like January or February. It was
during last year's run in the baseball season to talk
to him. So it was, and we played phone tag
and never got him on, but they tried to stay
in touch. But I'm with Kenneth. I hate the regret
of you know what I said, I was going to
pick up the phone and didn't pick it up. So

(01:28:46):
but he's exactly right about Pete Rose. This it was
and that big red machine. Still to this day, many
people think it's the best offensive team now. I don't
know how they do now, it's it's all relative to
your time in the baseball and you know, launch angle.
But that big Red Machine in the seventies was the
equivalent of whatever dynasty you think is the best one

(01:29:09):
going on now. Even though they didn't win eight championships,
they were you look for the A's and Cincinnati Red's
matchup in the postseason and the World Series was something
you couldn't wait for. Reggie Jackson and Rudy and Bando
and Bench and Morgan and Saesar Geronimo and Ken Griffy Sr.
And Don Gullet, Raleigh Eastwick, that whole group, I mean concepts.

(01:29:30):
You know, they were loaded, and you had a seventh
hitter that was an all Star, that's how And Sparky Anderson,
who was one of the all time greats. I missed.
I tryed to, you know, get too much. I missed Pete.
Like I said, there's certain guys you just look up
to and they don't disappoint. Maybe he disappointed others, but
he was always just He's one of the best storytellers
I've ever been around in my entire life. And I

(01:29:52):
miss him. I can't believe it's been that long already.
Pep Pete would have been allful, proud of this moment,
and probably not much brought that guy to tears. But
this might have more emotional and more sensitive than people
probably think. But what a great great baseball player, Well
you got to experience that, so that means a lot
to you, more than you can have membine, more than
anything I experienced from my career. I kind of feel like,

(01:30:16):
I mean, I the Pete Rose are guys that I
meet like that, Like when I first met Reggie Jackson
was able to have conversations with him, it was like,
those are the Kenny Stabler. Now, my moments in sports
from are far meaning, far more meaning. And I know
this sounds weird, but my moments in sports of that

(01:30:37):
four hours I got to sit just with Kenny Stabler
and have a beer and talk rated and he was
completely transparent. Or the times I had with Pete Rose,
or the times I had with former teammates of mine
that are hall of famers, far more important to me
than and I can remember those moments far more than
any moment with its high school of COG. Whenever you
felt you were at your best athletically to me, sit

(01:30:59):
down and Kenny Stable talk to me about the Raiders
because I grew up he was he was my guy.
Joe Namath the same way. Yeah, I the ear replace.
You can replace anything you want from my career. I
will chairish those. And then the ones that I didn't
get to talk to before they passed away, that you
said I need to it bothers me far more than
anything about my career. To me with my kids and family,

(01:31:21):
those are fine. But listening to Pete Rose talk about
Joe DiMaggio or the Cincinnati Reds or his love for baseball,
or you talk football, I chairish those far more than
I do anything that happened in my career. For me,
I immersed myself into them. And it's one of the
great things because those stories never get old.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
Well, it's just you always for me, you always remember
those interactions too. I mean, that's that's that's what it's
the truest.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Form of that. You you remember more how people treat
you than than who they are.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
And that's exactly it is. You know, it's the old
saying never never meet your heroes kind of deal. Well,
I say the complete opposite, meet them, because then then
get that will let you down.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Yeah, sure, and some won't ye.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Because I mean, you know, you hear something about Like
the funniest thing is for me personally, I've always been
you know where somebody tells me, oh, that guy you know,
kind of a jerk, and then you meet him. They
couldn't be nicer to me, right, and it's the nicest
guy in the world, and they're rude, and I'm like,
I don't know what it was about me, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
That's why we always say the money. You hear athletes
talk about all the locker room was the most partab well,
I don't even talk about not even in the locker room.
Guys from other sports are just sitting down having that conversation.
And it can be an actor, it can be a
cond be anybody, but we're talking sports. It can be
a singer. I don't care who it is. It's when
you meet him and they don't disappoint, You're like, now
this is far. And there was times I can remember

(01:32:38):
with Kenny Stave and with Pete sitting there literally and
I'm a grown adult, don't doing television every day or
playing every day. I'm thinking, I'm literally sitting here talking
to the guy that in Biloxi, Mississippi, at a at
a sports roast after him and I in the bar
and he's helping the girl ten bar and Kenny stable
with the guy that I was now watching the Raiders

(01:33:00):
play and saying, that's the coolest bastard on the planet.
And now I'm sitting here drinking single malt Scotch or
bourbon with him, and he's telling me all these Raiders
stories about practice. And he was when he was smoking
a grid at halftime and he was playing crap and
he said, I promise, guys, I'm will fix this in
the second half. And he went out and fixed it.
And I'm like, these these stories are I can't replace them. Yeah,

(01:33:25):
I could write it, you know, you could write a comfortable,
fun book. Not I'll tell a just on stories from
the people far greater than me. So I immersed myself
into having two ears in one mouth and listening to
those guys and and and I'll never it's I'll never
have a regret over that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:42):
Ever.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
That's that's the uh, speaking of laying out, that's when
you lay out. There's nothing I can.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Add to that question. Yeah, and move aside. That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
That's it, Ray Mark Biscuit. I know that you guys
still want to get in on this conversation. We'll do
that also to weave in the Astros as we continue
here on the Sewan Salisbury Show Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
But the Shawn Salisbury Show continues and it did no no. Now,
you know, do you have any difference of opinion on
Shoeless Joe as you had from Pete Rose.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
The only thing that I know about them is just
from the movie Eight Men Out, because obviously I wasn't
alive in nineteen nineteen, right, you aren't.

Speaker 6 (01:34:25):
I was not.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
I don't believe, you know, like some people say they
lived the past life and they remember, you know, parts
of the past life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Most of the talks going to be about Pete Rose.
But Shoeless Joe deserves his flowers too. Good movie. It
is a good movie, and I almost felt like he
got even more wronged. I love Pete but how it
went down, you know it, it felt even at times

(01:34:53):
felt unfair. Does that make sense? It was a similar
bit different situations.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
I mean, it's kind of similar to the Astros really,
where everybody was all in one fail swoop, you know,
lumped in together, and everybody will tell you he wasn't
and sure and wasn't in right right, and that's a
matter of fact.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
That's a really good comparison. Yeah, although nobody was banned
from life here because the player's got immunity for talking.
But there's been this talk about every year, like how
are we putting this on shoeless show again?

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
It's the bended knee thing that I talked about earlier,
like with al Tuove, that's going to be what keeps
him out because he's had numerous opportunities to talk about it,
clear his name, do all these things, and he hasn't
done it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Well. I think Al two V's smart. Let everybody else
tell you he didn't do it. He doesn't need to
be immersed in net. Go perform, do your thing. It's
the craziest thing because there's not ten players in Major
League Baseball that are more beloved than that guy had
this and never happened in seventeen. He's like certain players

(01:35:52):
that can go into a visiting ballparks and he's hard
not to root for. Oh, you'd have people wearing his jersey.
That's what I'm saying. This thing, even though it said
he didn't do it, wasn't involved. There were even before
I moved here. It's like, I love this jose Al
Tuve guy hey son play the game like him. Just
don't do it on the bass right right? But just
so such a good dude that And the truth is,

(01:36:14):
I kind of like guys who don't feel like they
need to explain themselves. Why because the more you have
to explain yourself, the more people think that you're guilty. Right,
And so he doesn't have to tell him I'm a
good guy, I'm classy, I didn't do that. It improves that,
that's sure. And to me, if you're the one that
leaves him off and he still gets in the Hall

(01:36:35):
of Fame, that's that's you. That's a you problem, not him.
But it's so ironic that they I almost think people
it's like, oh, it's a habit to boo altuva and
when in truth, the people that are booing him in
New York or anywhere else, they don't dislike him. Well
he's the poster child for it just because for that reason,
And they do it because he and he doesn't fight back,
so are they're trying to get it, and you can't

(01:36:56):
bait Jose Al Tuve into a conversation about it. No,
he doesn't know you anymore of.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
An apology Yankees fans have tried. And then he hit
the go ahead grand slam against him. I love that
there's a buddy of mind. Brandon lives up there, and
he had posted it. He was at that game that
afternoon Astros Yankees game when you know, you get the
bleacher creatures chanting foul twove right, And as soon as
he hit that, he starts, you know, mocking them foul.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Too by and he goes, wait, we're not doing it anymore. Yeah, yeah,
because he just basically sent a loud message. But I
like the fact that he doesn't feel like he has
to defend himself. I'm okay with it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
It's because to him, it matters more that he means
a lot to the guys in that clubhouse than to
other p and iles. I think he does with others
out there, right, And I don't think he wants to
separate himself from his teammates' success that year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
And you won't go wrong doing that. That's exactly right,
because they all say he was involved, was involved, and
he knows that and to him, it feels like to
me that he cares more about the people that are
in his life. And then his teammates. Look what he
does to go to left field or you know, pines
for his players to stay. I think that's ingrained in
his DNA. I don't think you'll ever hear him while

(01:38:08):
he's playing come out and pine for the Hall of Fame.
He doesn't need to.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
Because of what it is Sean is it's stick up
for the right people, not the people who people tell
you to stick up for. Like it matters to him
to mean a lot to Bregman, Springer, all of those,
and it does mean a lot to a writer or
to me and you exactly because those guys they'll stick
with you forever.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
The people that you just mentioned, it's only for the
moment that they need you. That's the motivation. Temporary, it's
the discipline, and he's got disciplined to make sure it's permanent. Yeah.
And in truth, he could have bolted from this city.
He could have gone somewhere else and been beloved somewhere.
He could have done all that. Yep. Tell me, what's
he overcome odds in his career? What's what's not like, Yeah,
I just to me, even if you're like I was seventeen,

(01:38:51):
it's like, but that dude there, he's just a baller
man and a good dude. I'm all in on LTV
and he is a Hall of Famer, but he will
not get My guess is he won't get in on
the first vote because some won't be able to let
that go. And three thousand hits is almost automatic Hall
of Fame entry, right and.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
When they do, and if me and you are still
doing the show, then we'll have those people on at
least give them the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
And what Kenneth said too, and we'll get to college
right now, what kenn Hath said about out of reach.
Never in your life will you see anybody get to
four thousand hits again? You know how long? Well, two
hundred hits for how many years?

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
Dan?

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Do the math? Yeah, two four, six, eight ten, that's
a thousand and two far that's what twenty years of
two hundred hits and you're still not at his number,
that's four thousand. Yeah, it's not happening. We talked about
all the you know, the and I think pe Rose
is that is the last guy to have a hitting
streak that it wasn't at forty four games hitting streak.
I don't think anybody's ever had one. Sense he was

(01:39:49):
the closest to Damagio since he retired. Maybe there was
somebody in the forties that passed him up, but I
think as of fifty six games, I think he was
within twelve games at Demaggio. I think he had a
forty four game hitting streak in his career, and I
don't think we've had one longer than that since maybe one,
but I don't think so. But he has put records
out of reach. You're never sniffing his hits record. It's

(01:40:10):
not you're not gonna get close to it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
Forty four hits since nineteen seventy eights. You had what
was it Mollitor, Paul Malader when he was with the Brewers,
when there in the Al thirty nine, he had thirty
eight out of Jimmy Rallins in two thousand and five too.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Those forty four was the longest since since Dumasio's fifty six.
Chase Utley was thirty five and two thousand and six.
You're never You're there out of reach, and we're not
gonna have one guy who has three thousand, just three
thousand plus singles, right, let alone four thousand hits. Yeah,
those those records with the way you do it, twenty
plus years, that's twenty one or twenty two years of
two hundred hits a year. That means you got to

(01:40:45):
be healthy out him. That's you got no shot. And
that about right, am? I right? Two four six eighth thout, Yeah,
that's that's it. That's twenty years of averaging over two
hundred hits, so five years to have thousand, Yeah, now,
not gonna happen. It's it's not likely. All right, we
got a full board. I see all of you right there,
stick and stay. Promise you we're gonna get every single
last one of you in and we will continue this conversation,

(01:41:07):
of course, with what happened yesterday with Pete Rose, shoeless
shoe and others in baseball, all of that much more
here Sean Salisbury Show. The Sewn Salisbury Show continued.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
That they post a picture of a noted Cowboys fan
post malone and a Patrick Mahomes jersey, and they say,
see you on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I like that. I'll bet you Detroit's plan on Thanksgiving too.

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
I was gonna say, they'll be there somebody playing that night.
And then if you even notice now that Christmas Day,
the NFL looked at the NBA and said your day. Yeah,
that's cute, that's cute. And then what was it the
NFL game in Brazil, which this is more for Triple
Lee on this one of it's gonna be exclusively on
YouTube and TRIPLEI where you come in on this is
what's gonna end up happening that day. It's gonna be

(01:41:55):
a Friday night when they play. You're gonna have people
calling you.

Speaker 6 (01:41:58):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
I know it's it's on YouTube, but what channel is
that gonna be on YouTube? Can we resolved?

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
Like I understand that New Year's Resolutions happened four months ago,
but can we resolve one thing. Stop calling radio stations
and asking for two things. Number one, what time the
game is? Number two? What channel it's going to be on?
That thing you're calling on it's got Google on it.
You can find it there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
You mean you could find the schedule yourself. Bingo, bingo,
never thought of that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
No, I know it says YouTube, but uh, what it's
it's on YouTube? Well, I know you're you're answering your
own questions.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Dan, Dan disdained, Dan comes out for that. So some
old school disdained Danny. Yes, they're not sure. They think
the YouTube might be like a CBS, NBC, Fox channel.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
It's not a channel, it's an app, right, or it's
or it's even just a website right right, it's just
on your on your browser.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Pull it up on your computer. Some might say, what's
a browser? So you all talking old school Danny disdain Danny.
There you go. We've had the internet now for almost
forty years. It's been a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Yeah, I feel I think I think we should have
a good idea. If my dad can learn how to
text and use emojis, I have faith in you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Trust me, all right. Anyway, someone three week, that's when
you know guy's made the leap. He starts emojing. That's
one of the biggest arguments before expective. This is gonna
be really quick, I promised, before we gets you all
back on the phones. One of the biggest arguments we
had as a kid. He could never understand how to
work the answering machine at our house. And I tried

(01:43:28):
to show them, and then I tried to show them again,
and then finally it just got to where we both
got frustrated with each other and he was like, I'm
going to work. I'm not dealing with this before paying
in the ass.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
That's right, because he was getting annoyed with me getting
frustrated with him. Oh, you know, the beauties, the beauties
of the father son relationship, I guess. But anyway, someone
three two one two five seven ninety Ray calling in
from the Yellowstone Dunton ranch up in Montana.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
Ray, what's going on?

Speaker 13 (01:43:56):
Uh well, I'm about four hours away from that, but okay,
fair enough.

Speaker 6 (01:44:00):
Uh, I just.

Speaker 13 (01:44:01):
Wanted to make this. Y'all mentioned something about a lifetime
ban with these these guys. Uh, what exactly does that mean?
As far as I'm concerned, lifetime means the moment they died,
they should have been eligible.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
That's how baseball did this, right that That's basically what
Rob Manford saying that he passed away, that he served
his lifetime. Now the band's lifted. That's the only Yeah,
according to them, that's the the reason. Lifetime ban, Bart
Giamatti the rest of it. Nope, can't do it. The
second past. You know, it was in the works the
second he rose passed away.

Speaker 6 (01:44:37):
Well it should have been that way with Shoel.

Speaker 13 (01:44:40):
Years and the rest of the Yes, because they died,
lifetime means as you're alive, not.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
You know, the post to suit them, Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (01:44:54):
I mean the only person and y'all not gonna like
this being a TU station. The only person I think
should have a lot time ban is Roger Clemens and
desk because I don't like him. But anyway, you guys
have a great day.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:09):
I mean, just because we have Texas on the station
doesn't mean we you know, we're trust me I am.
I am not above criticizing the school in Austin. As
a matter of fact, I enjoy doing it quite a bit,
including reminding them that they got a little bit more
agging in them than they think they do. That's harsh,
Like like what I said about the post I saw
about the All SEC Sports champion, It's like, well, first

(01:45:32):
of all, not all the sports are finished, and second
of all, the one that matters the most, well, you
didn't beat that team twice, so maybe you're not as good.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
But it only matters the most who just play football.
Maybe it doesn't matter as much to the baseball guys.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
I mean, you know, show me your most recent there
you go, show me your most recent national championship in
a sport that matters. Wow, Oh, you're really all the
one that cracks me up. And you know, Aggie's trust me.
You're not free from this either. As last year when
LSU baseball got eliminated from the tournament and A and
M fans were coming after us. One guy came after
me and I said, I saw a national championship and

(01:46:08):
this year, this year, this year, this year, this year,
and that year. I said, how many have you seen
in your lifetime in a sport that actually matters, that
people actually care about. That ended the converce. So did
you become an LSU fan from birth? One of the
my my dad lived in Tiger Stadium when he went
to school there. He lived in the dorms, right, and

(01:46:28):
then took me to games all throughout as a kid.
And I mean, you know, they used to play A
and M I think the first game every single year,
and A and M would crush them. That was the
you know RCC record crew. Yeah, man, that was when
LSU football was awful. And then they got a guy
that showed up there named Nick Saban, and he kind of,
you know, changed the mindset of the program a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
I remember Mike Archer, they had some Jeff Wickersham, they
had some Tommy Watson. I've got the pictures too, you know. Yeah,
those were days when before that, when the dorms were
built into the stadium.

Speaker 6 (01:46:59):
L s U.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
L s U Baseball Camp. Skip.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
I got the picture of me and Skip. You know what,
I'll post it here during there. We have a photo
proof there for everybody out there. Again someone three two
one two five seven ninety Biscuit's been waiting the longest.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Good morning, Biscuit, Hey.

Speaker 14 (01:47:14):
Man, Hey Dan, why are you picking on the old
man this morning?

Speaker 6 (01:47:17):
Man?

Speaker 14 (01:47:18):
Mean, I can't call Tripple no more and dancing you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
You're you're, you're, You're a made guy, Biscuit. I will
allow for you been grandfathered in, yes you. I want
to stay away from that one, just for you know,
the purposes of not seeming like you know, I'm going
too hard in here.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
But no, you're a made guy. You've got carp Blanche.

Speaker 14 (01:47:40):
Okay, yeah, it's shine man, and I think I he shine.
We like the former call it said me and Shine
talked about this, uh you know years ago, man about Pete. Man,
It's like, man, this is a damn saying Shine. You
know I use it on curse Sin, but it's a
damn saying. Yeah, I hear he's going wait to the man.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
That's the way.

Speaker 14 (01:48:00):
And then you know, and then I then you know,
I'm a sports guy and I got I got five
throwback jerseys and you know Jim Brown, Uh, Walter Payton,
Earl Campbell, doctor Ja. I'm not including my Lakers stuff
and baseball Peter Rose, and it's it's shining. If I'm

(01:48:24):
in the family, y'all can miss me with that. Man,
I'm not coming to nothing. Y'all can do the induction
or whatever. I'm not attending. I'm not just I'm just whatever.
Y'all go ahead, y'all do.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
What you do.

Speaker 14 (01:48:37):
You're gonna wait to all the demand passed away. It
just it just makes me upset, Sean.

Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
And and then I.

Speaker 14 (01:48:45):
Don't think people can really comprehend, you know, all clips
and it just don't ged a feel. Shine the one
signature play for me, for Peter Rose, Sean, if I
had to pick one, and it's hard to do.

Speaker 6 (01:49:00):
Speed did a lot of things. I'm thinking of that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Yep, that epitomized to that was that epitomized with who
he was. This is an all star game. You would
not see that. Now, well you're not allowed to run
into the catcher, but you would see. You wouldn't see
it because well, I'm not gonna get anybody hurt. He
played as if it was the last time he was
going to have a round third baits. And I think

(01:49:26):
I'm pretty sure because Pete shared this with me, and
I don't know if it changed since, but the last
time I talked to him person to Pete and had
a conversation with him, biscuit. At that point, Ray Fosse
still had not forgiven At that point, is foss still alive?
Did he pass away? He's still alive. That's a good kid,
because at the time he at the time tell me

(01:49:49):
if if it is Ray, because there was a point
in time he died in twenty twenty one. Okay, then
then and this now, I'm not talking about the last
conversation I said when we played phone Tack. I'm talking
about Remember I told you he was in the studios
pre twenty pre COVID when when Pete and I and
the last caught conversation in the law and phenomenal conversation
at that point in time. If I'm not mistaken, it
was that conversation that and Ray Fossey was still alive,

(01:50:12):
that he hadn't he did he that he still hadn't
talked to him, And so I'm assuming that he went
to his grave and that maybe Pete, both of them,
they hadn't had the conversation. And while I'm sure it
was hard, but that who was who Pete Rose was.
He didn't mean to ruin Ray Fosse or hurt him,
but that's how he played. And I'm with you as
much as it sucked for Ray Fosse and I hated

(01:50:33):
it for him, that's who that epitomized how Pete Rose
played sports. And it was legal then there was no
you know, you get catchers there in the second it's
an all star game. But those all star games, biscuit
as you know, were more competitive than as well, Yeah,
just were.

Speaker 14 (01:50:47):
Much much more competitive. And last thing I would say
and correct me my wrong, Sean, that the head first
slide is that a Pete Rose thing. That's the first
guy I remember doing the head first in base I mean,
and now within when we would literally we all.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Start trying to do it, you know, he's he's yeah,
he's the reason I slid head first throughout my career.
Once he's still you know, all those cherries you'd get
on your ability, you tod just slide right on your
your you're on your knee or something to do. And
I started about like like it was like in the
eighth freshman year in high school. I started going head first,
keep the batting gloves on, go head first, and I

(01:51:23):
never slid the other way again, never never slid the
other end. He's the he is the reason. And then
you watched Ricky Henderson do it the rest. I'm sure
at some point in time, Biscuit somebody did, but the
regular occurrence of it, Pete Rose was the reason I
slid head first as well. I'm with you, yeah, man,
I'm not going though, Sean, I understand. And that's saying

(01:51:46):
something for you, because you're a forgiving dude. You've always
have been you you you kind of you're able to say, Okay,
this young kid made a mistake, old person made a mistake,
or they did me wrong, but it's okay. I get it.
You're You're You're the first guy I think of what
I think of forgiveness and the way you are on
this show, So that that that that hits you deep. Man,
It cuts you deep, because I would have thought you'd say, Sean,

(01:52:07):
I'm still going because it's my pops or it's Pete
and I love him. But yeah, that's a harsh one
for you because that's not normally your style.

Speaker 13 (01:52:14):
Brother, Yes, sir, it.

Speaker 14 (01:52:16):
Just I don't know, man, maybe I had to pray
about it, shim.

Speaker 6 (01:52:20):
No, Man, I'm not going right back.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
And I get it. And I would imagine some of
his family and close friends think the same way I would.
I get it, biscuit. It just and that's why I'm
saying that that matters to you, because I mean, you
are the first one that would normally say, you know what,
let bygones be bygones. I'm gonna forgive. He finally got in.
So I get it. I get it, And if it's
coming from you, it matters because that would not normally

(01:52:42):
be your approach to kids or anybody else that did wrong.
You're you're usually pretty forgiving and say let's get all
the facts with Pete. I think you've got all the
facts and you've made your decision and I get it.
Good stuff, brother, Chris, appreciate you.

Speaker 6 (01:52:54):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Hey always good to hear from your biscuit.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
Yeah, I mean, by the way, with Fossey, Uh, it's
just reading the story about it that. Yes, Rose never
apologized for it, but Fossy did say, I know he
didn't mean it, but who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Maybe he should have run me, Maybe he should have
run around me. Yeah, that's just the way Pete played,
but he'd done that a thousand times over. The reason
he didn't apologize because it was legal and it was
good baseball. Some had a problem because it was the
All Star Game, and I'm sure Ray Fossey was bothered
by it. It impacted his career, but I don't think he
and Pete ever had a conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
Yeah, he said, got to I've got to do everything
I can to score there. My dad's at the game.
The reality is missed the next three games. He didn't
miss any and he went on to play nine more years.
But I ruined his career. I wasn't trying to hurt him.
Wouldn't have knocked Ray Fosse on his ass. You wouldn't
have known who he was.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
Now that hurts that that part hurts if you're that's
also just had to he just had to put that
on the end. Would But that's who Pete Rose was player.
That's part of what made him great. But at the
All Star Game then it was not running over the
catchers in the line that you were allowed to do it.
He didn't mean to hurt him, But it's like playing
tackle in pre season. Is the guy supposed to miss

(01:54:04):
the tackle? Well, if it was regular season, would you
have hit him harder? Now you're trying to make a team,
you're trying to impose you're tackling him. It was a
legal play that Pete Rose played the All Star Game
the way I kind of wish everybody'd play it. Simple fact.
Guy's a Hall of Famer. And now that he's now,
it's been done. Stop it. Vote him in and do
it soon. I hope they will.

Speaker 4 (01:54:24):
Twenty twenty seven is when he's going to get that
opportunity with that committee vote. See a bunch of you
still on the phone lines, Ronnie Brandon, big ee Al,
see you all right there. We'll get you guys involved,
I promise you here Sean Salisbury Show.

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Speaker 12 (01:56:02):
You guys called I put on some way since my
playing days.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
You shall see Sean Solisborough horble. Now back to the
Sean Solersborough Show. What a knucklehead, Really good and useless
conversations about it. But it's been fun. Well it's useful
to you. And normally when we're like like we've been
in a tournament like it together and all these guys

(01:56:26):
are these bigger celebrities which I'm not are there and
Chuck and I'll be standing line the back. You know
when they take the group picture and you know of
course he's going to start in those hips fit in this,
you know, you know, I said, dude, you're at evidem
away from about four hundred and you're talking to me,
and so it's, you know, just all in good fun.
I love him. He's uh, he's one of the best dudes.

(01:56:48):
Speaking of great stories, spend some time with him, you'll
get some great stories, says, We get those great stories.
That's a great thing about him. Same stories. He'll tell
you the bar he's down on the air, and that's
that's the chuck's off the charts. Well, it just it
gets back to the best people are genuine, genuine, and
you know what, unapologetic unless they need to be uh, refreshing,

(01:57:08):
transparent and authentic. Yeah, I'll handle authentic, even if it's
somebody one hundred and eighty degrees disagree. I mean, I'm
completely disagree with Sure, I don't disagree with Charles much,
but I give me authentic. I can live with it.
I don't care how you think. If you're authentic, I'll
deal with it. He is and he's his What you
see is what you get. He ain't you talk about

(01:57:29):
a guy who's not been a ne for anybody. H
that that hits him, maybe for his mom. Yeah, but
other than that, Charles is just just, you know, he
just is just a normal dude that just happens to
be on TV. He's speaking like he would if we're
on the golf course talking us. He just can't swear
on TNT like I'm sure that we'd all like once
in a while, like a comedian. But yeah, he's uh,

(01:57:49):
he's a fun guy, fun loving guy too. Oh, the
complete opposite of those sanctimonious types. I was talking you
know where Yeah again, I mean it's just you know,
for me and you just are you know, our personal
you know things with this is I always love with
you know people. Oh, you need to you know, talk
about this, you know, for the kids all of that. Dude,
It's not my job to raise your kids. It's not

(01:58:09):
my job to tell you how to live your life.
I'm not going to do any of those things. I'm
trying to figure.

Speaker 4 (01:58:13):
Out how the hell to live my life right, so
hard enough to balance your own? What leg do I
have to stand on to tell you how to live yours?

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
No question about it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
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They're gonna try to win the series today. Colton Gordon
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Obviously the Pete Rose shoeless Joe news that came out yesterday,
along with others in baseball who have since passed being
reinstated to the game, that's been the topic of conversation
that most of you want to get in here today,
So we'll continue that right now. Brandon outside Dyke in Park,

(02:00:19):
he wants to weigh in. Brandon, what's going on?

Speaker 15 (02:00:22):
Hey, guys, good morning. I love the show as always,
man best sports show in Houston. Sean love it, man,
love stuff out there.

Speaker 3 (02:00:28):
Now.

Speaker 15 (02:00:28):
I just wanted to kind kind of talk about it,
no doubt, great day for baseball, great day for professional sports.
And I think Sean you alluded to it this morning
when you talked about everybody deserves the second chance and
gave all those examples about different people doing wrongdoings, and
it doesn't mean somebody should, you know, serve the time
and then of course get that second chance for kind
of the resurrection or get hired for another opportunity for job.

(02:00:48):
We're all human beings and we all make mistakes. The
thing that gets me is the fact you mentioned that
lifetime ban and somebody has to die before they get
kind of reinstated for eligibility for the Hall of Fame.
And I think it's no different than look back at it.
I mean, and Sean, you alluded to what he said,
the hitting streak. Nobody's ever going to duplicate that forty
four games, says DiMaggio's streak, and of course the four
two fifty six on the hits incredible, incredible feet, that's

(02:01:11):
their Hall of Fame worthy eligible. Again, I think it's
no different than Major League Baseball being sponsored by you know,
DraftKings or fan Duel at one of those websites, because
they're always pushing down gambling to the consumer to go
spend their money so they can get a cut of
that too as well. From that sponsorships, which keeps those
guys in business and pays those those high priced player salaries.
So again, you know, he didn't bet on his own team,

(02:01:33):
He just bet on baseball. He admitted for his mistakes
and is wrongdoing Sean, and I think it's it's time
that we open the gates to the Hall of Fame
in twenty twenty seven and he becomes eligible to as well.
I'll hang up and listen to you guys comments off here.
Thanks so much, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Brandon all Fact, All Fact, and you and I talked.
I mean, what would what was wrong now? They would
look at different today? Gambling? They just would now I
think theyred half.

Speaker 4 (02:02:00):
But I mean you also got to believe that a
lot of this goes into that too, no doubt. I mean,
like what the black suff stuff it was making you know,
you're I mean, wasn't it basically organized crime?

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
Was pretty much they took the knee to on that, right.

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
You know, Hey, I better do this otherwise you know,
I'm gonna have you have my leg's broken for for
not doing this.

Speaker 2 (02:02:20):
Yeah, not just gonna get suspended. I might be dead.

Speaker 4 (02:02:21):
It's kind of like what was it the Boston College
basketball kids that you know, Henry Hill and all of
them were involved with. And I love one of the
guys in the thirty for thirty for that said, yeah,
we went to this hilton right near the airport and
he threatened me. They and they go over to the
real uh Henry Hill, you know, doing the interview, and
he goes, I never threatened nobody. All I told him
was it's just hard they shoot a basketball at the

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broken arm.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
Yeah, the message sent right, and they weren't joking either.
So the moral of that story, stay away from it.
But yeah, Brandon makes good points. Man, It's just there
comes a point in time when you've got to recognize
greatness on the fields. He's done served as time, and
unfortunately he's not going to be able to enjoy it himself,

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but the rest of us baseball fans will when when
that moment finally shows up and he gets his invite
or should I say his election to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (02:03:14):
And one more real quick on this before we get
back to the phone line. So was a biscuit that
brought this up about the family, like you wonder the family?
Now you know he gets the call in twenty seven, Hey,
he's in the Hall of Fame. If they don't feel
put upon at this point of just saying no, man
like you did this for so long, you had your
chance to make this right, you didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:34):
Are having a hard time. I understand what biscuit you
were saying. And I'm on the fence on this one.
I don't want to what would I do, Because it's
the greatest honor an individual player can get, which is
part of the team because without Perez driving in runs
and Johnny bench and wouldn't having Pete knows that. But
it's the greatest individual honor and even bigger than an

(02:03:57):
MVP or any of that. I have a hard time
wondering if there was if I was in the family's
shoes and it was my pops, I have a hard
time not going and representing him because he would have
deserved that. And like, I don't even know if it's
a makeup call. But I also get because I know
my personality of reactive. It's like, oh, you did this,
I'm gonna do. I get it, and I get a

(02:04:19):
biscuit saying one hundred percent. I'm trying to put myself
in the situation, saying, will I celebrate him in twenty
twenty seven if he gets in Sure, watch every second
of it. Who's going to give this speed on all
those things? But I yeah, I I would. I understand
the disdain, but part of it was brought on by Pete.
We just didn't like the distance of it and how
long it took. Sure I would, I would have a

(02:04:42):
hard time not want to honor my dad's or my husband,
ex husband or whatever, whoever's going to do it right
as kids, whoever, just to say we've waited this long.
I gotta at least say I got to go up
there for my pops. It would be hard, and it
would be there would still be some ugh bitterness about it.
But the one thing I think we can argue. As
much as I love Pete, he made a mistake. He

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knew the deal going in. It just took longer than
we wanted. But I have hard time like Biscuit, because
he was my guy man. I loved him growing up.
And but but I I for me, it's like, Okay,
I'm asking we ask him for giving second chances. There's
major League Baseball deserve the same chance that we asked
for Pete Rose to make up, to make up for

(02:05:26):
the length of this, not the fact that he got suspended.
You know, was kicked out of baseball for life. Now
that his life's over, he's not going to get to
enjoy it. But I'm still sitting on the fence of
how I would want to do it. If that was
my dad and I was his son, I'd probably want
to represent him as well as I possibly could. But
I get the disdain and why you wouldn't sure, you know,

(02:05:48):
I do, I completely understand.

Speaker 15 (02:05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:05:50):
Seven one, three, two, five seven ninety Ronnie, Good morning, Ronnie.

Speaker 16 (02:05:55):
Good morning, guys, thanks for taking a call. Excuse me,
I'm surprised nobody's brought this now. I'm no theologian or whatever,
but to me, the equivalent of this is goes all
the way back to Biblical days Moses. Moses was denied
access to the Promised Land. He wasn't allowed to go in,

(02:06:16):
he was allowed to see it, and he died before
you know, God wouldn't let him in. Okay, So that's
kind of the baseball what's happening with Pete is the
baseball equivalent of that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
Nobody.

Speaker 16 (02:06:30):
I mean, Moses is a pillar in the Judeo Christian faith,
and he is thought of and revered very highly, and
I think the same thing Pete. I didn't want Pete
to get into the Hall of Fame, but I've changed
my attitude on this, and I think that I'm glad
he didn't get in while he was alive, because I
don't think he deserved it as when he was alive.

(02:06:54):
You know, he broke a number one rule, plain and simple.
And sometimes rules are to be adhered to. They're not
made to be flexible or broken or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:07:06):
And I hope they let him in.

Speaker 16 (02:07:07):
I think they ought to let him in now, the
way they did Roberto Clemente when his plane crashed. They
ought to have a vote today to put Pete and
maybe Shoeless Joe in the Hall of Fame. And that's
what I got on that, I mean. And then you
look at Pete the way he played the game in
his collision with Ray Fosse, he idolized Pete idolized Ty Cobb,

(02:07:30):
and Ty Cobb made the comment years and years and
years when he was playing the game baseball is something
like a war. And that's exactly the way Pete Rose
played it. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
I appreciate the call, Ronnie.

Speaker 4 (02:07:45):
I mean again, it gets back to what I said
earlier of we were talking about, you know, kind of
the double standard of who gets in who doesn't, you know,
and a lot of this kind of comes down to
what's what's really keeping Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds out
of the Hall of Fame right now?

Speaker 2 (02:07:59):
Well, the fact that they haven't.

Speaker 4 (02:08:01):
Admitted that they did steroids, but not only that that
they haven't completely taken the bended knee of Oh, I'll
do the interview.

Speaker 2 (02:08:08):
Oh I'm a very nice guy. Now I'm a changed
man for you, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:08:11):
I Mean, that's basically what it really comes down to,
is it's ego playing into it. Oh, that guy was
a jerk when he played. I'm not voting for him
to get in. Well, that has no bearing on what
the criteria should be. Did they play the game at
an incredibly high level? Were they the best at the time?
Pitching wise? Roger Clemons probably next to Olan Ryan at

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least in the modern era.

Speaker 2 (02:08:33):
Of guys, you would say yes, he was. In terms
of being a hitter.

Speaker 4 (02:08:36):
Barry Bonds, there was a reason why he was the
most feared hitter in all of baseball because he was.

Speaker 2 (02:08:41):
He did it as well as anybody's ever done it.
When he was in that run, he was as good
as we've ever seen at the plate. Ever his eye,
he was as good as we've ever had for that
period of time. So yeah, that's what they want the admission.

(02:09:02):
But if you admit it, then are they going to
keep I mean, it's never enough. That's a good point
by you. It's never enough. It won't be whether they
get in or not, which maybe, But like I said,
the man who oversaw the steroid era is in the
Hall of Fame. Yeah, you do the math. Your your,
your fearless leader is in the Hall of fame. So

(02:09:24):
does that mean the people who were playing there, they
knew what was going on and they did they did
nothing about it. That doesn't make the sin less sinful.
Sure if if, if they did use them, you know,
but listen once again, paint the story. It's a museum
for us and for the Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens

(02:09:46):
are hall of famers. How you paint the story, tell
us why it took long. They accused the steroids, all that,
but still their hall of famers.

Speaker 4 (02:09:56):
I can't wait for the yelp review one day that
someone's going to have once Pete gets into the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 2 (02:10:00):
If somebody goes on there, oh, I'll never come to
Cooper's Town ever. Again. My response would be well good,
because thousands of others will listen. It's like season tickets to
the Masters or the lambeau Field. Now you give them
up yeah, somebody else is taking them. So you know,
while it's fine you want everybody to be happy. If
you're saying you're not going to the Hall of Fame
because Pete Rose is in it, then bummer for you

(02:10:22):
in Cooperstown because we all have to announce ourselves. Sean,
you know the rules here, Yeah, Like I'm unfollowing you
on Facebook great or or on Twitter. I didn't know
you followed me anyway, so I get it. So I'm
still yeah, and I've never been to the Baseball Hall
of Fame. Maybe it'll be a good time for me
to go. When Pete watch on my first visit there,
didn't you know the new rules of X When people

(02:10:43):
do that right before you actually like click gunfollow, you
have to have actual proof that you said that to
the person to do it, and I just want to
know that I let him know know. There you go.

Speaker 4 (02:10:57):
Yeah, greatie signal and that the best amazing Yeah, well
really is.

Speaker 2 (02:11:02):
We learned the biggest virtue signal in twenty twenty in
the history of this country. So yeah, yeah, there's no
virtue signal. They got that bothers me anymore, for sure.
Dwayne mark another brand and see you guys right there.
Get you guys involved in the conversation seven one three
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Speaker 2 (02:13:09):
Real Quick Dan get to these callers and the great
patience that they have waiting is they didn't score a
lot of runs, and he was saying a stellar performance
by from Frommer outstanding. Give you get to eight again.
It's what we say yesterday or may was the day before,
but I believe it was yesterday. I'd love to have

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one of those where they score nine runs and it's
nine to one. Sure, but you're begging for that key
hit at the right time. Yeah, you got two of
them last night. I mean more than two. But Paine
his home run tiet and then Praatis's home run to
win it. Those are moments that it's like, okay, does
this springboard even though you don't score twice, those moments

(02:13:50):
may springboard you big for a guy who's new here
and has really done one hell of a job on
this team so far in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (02:13:57):
It's the meter, you know good, Okay, you know all
of that. It's uh, did the bats? Weil them through?

Speaker 2 (02:14:03):
The bats? Did enough? It's it's on that one they
without Paratis, we may be an extra innings and you
never know what's gonna happen. Even though the bullpen has
been really good this year. You just don't know. But
he ended that and that's got to be one of
the coolest things around. The walk off home runs got
to be as cool as it gets, especially in this
new city that I think we're grasping that this guy

(02:14:23):
was a good pickup, considering you lost a star at
third base, no doubt, especially the way last night and
also with the glove, which I think is the underrated
part of what he's done. Colton Gordon gonna make his
major league debut tonight pitching for the Astros, and then
the NFL schedule coming out. But we've been talking, of course,
the Pete Rose shoeless Joe news that came down yesterday,
Rob Manfred reinstating them and others to baseball, and I

(02:14:46):
know a lot of you have some opinions on that,
so let's go with Dwayne and Olpaso wants to weigh in. Dwayne,
good morning, Good.

Speaker 17 (02:14:54):
Morning, gentlemen. I wanted to just say a comment. Pete
Rose was the player that played the game very hard,
intelligent as well as good. And you know, back in
those days when I was able to see him play,
ABC was the only channel that carried baseball on a Saturday,

(02:15:18):
so you know, you'd get your business taken care of him,
get him to watch the game. But he did a
lot for baseball as far as bringing others into the
game and teaching them how to play the game. And
we in this world today, there's not enough grace in

(02:15:40):
this world to allow forgiveness for anything. People will hold
it in and continue to hold it in and just
continue to be at that stage where they're not hurting
no one but themselves. And Baseball was hurt by the
Baseball Commission and stuff like that because they allow him

(02:16:02):
to be in the Hall of Fame. But one thing
that I did see is that you know, today everybody
is betting on sports, and why because it's bringing in
big bucks and people want that more than anything else
in the world. Is more cash in the pocket for

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me and everyone else. That's all I want to say, gentlemen,
have a blessed day, Take care.

Speaker 2 (02:16:31):
Saying to you, Dwayne, appreciate it. I mean, we're so
right about forgiveness and grace, so right, we're all guilty
of it.

Speaker 4 (02:16:37):
Well, it's just I think a lot of people look
at it too. And look, I'm not going to get
biblical on it, you know, anybody or anything like that,
but I think people kind of look at it as
it's it's a way of giving in, it's a way
of letting them win, and it's like, well, I mean
maybe if that's how you want to look at it,
that's fine, but it's also too you coming to peace
with it and you just saying, hey, you know what,

(02:16:59):
like I'm done with this, I'm not going to carry
this around anymore. And I mean, I don't know about you.
Usually when I've done that with people, it's kind of
felt better even, you know, than doing the other one
of telling them off and you know, still again having
that grudge and just keeping it going.

Speaker 2 (02:17:14):
The grudge holder suffers far more than the person you're
holding the grudge against. Always, is I know, in my life,
anytimes I've held a grudge against somebody, that person may
not even thinking about I'm the one who's suffering more
for it, shrugging me more. And in this case, I
don't know who the grudge. Is it more Pete? Is
it more major League Baseball? But I would say that

(02:17:35):
that the grudge holder always, in the end, suffers more
because the inability to move on and forgive is a
hard is a hard burden to bear, and it's and
to carry it with you is a hard thing to do.
And I think we're all guilty of the time. I
know I have been trying to either forgive or be forgiven.

Speaker 6 (02:17:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:17:51):
Well, that's a fair point by you, I mean, because
I mean that's the side that we have to look
at with Pete too, is that he probably looked at it,
as Pete, if you just apologize this, go away. I
think you looked at it and said, I don't know
these people anything.

Speaker 2 (02:18:03):
Maybe, And that's part of the reason why when they
talk about the lack of remorse fathered.

Speaker 4 (02:18:07):
So yeah, there you go. Mark on the southeast side
was to weigh in market morning.

Speaker 2 (02:18:13):
Good Laura, how a y'all doing very well?

Speaker 1 (02:18:15):
Well? Number one, I'm the number one baseball fan you
ever talked to. Okay, uh, number two. Hey, Joe Jackson
and not just Joe Jackson, but that whole team broke
the law. They were gaming on sports. They blew the
World Series deliberately so they can make money, not just
Joe Jackson, but the rest of them too. Okay, So

(02:18:36):
he doesn't deserve to come back. Pete Rose, if you
could rate it, rate it as a crime, I call
it a you know, second or third degree felon me,
you know, no big deal. He know should have been
you know, you shouldn't have been doing it. But it
was never proven that he was betting, you know, against
his own team. Uh. That's my feelings on that. Now
somebody else brought up a deal about how dooty excuse

(02:18:57):
how duty? How do how TV? And uh, you know
the trash can banging thing, Well, people ought to be mad.
Can you imagine what would happen if Roger Clemens was
on the mound and he heard the drum banging and
the next hit and that hitter got to get off

(02:19:18):
of it, and if it happened again, you look over
the dugout and and he give them a good luck.
If it happened again, that guy better had his rubbering
his legs. But they was getting phone at the head.
In other words, they solved those problems on the field
that shouldn't have ever got to Major League baseball.

Speaker 7 (02:19:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:19:36):
And a shame on the players for not you know,
I played ball. I know, you know you take care
of your action on the field. You know. They say
it's the greatest thing about sports was what happened between
the lines? Yeah, and uh, the players should have taken
care of that. A J. Hint should have taken care
of that, especially after the first player got plumped. He
should have took that trash ND phoned it down the hallway.

Speaker 2 (02:19:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:19:58):
Yeah we Mark, Yeah, Mark, I don't nein to rush you.
We got Dana Brown here coming up, but we appreciate
the call man. All right, good, all right, you too, Yeah,
I mean we could. We talked about that a little
bit earlier. We can continue this too after we hear
from Dana Brown. He's coming up for his weekly visit
here Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 2 (02:20:18):
The Shawn Salisbury Show continued astros GM. Dana Brown joins
us here on The Sean Salisbury Show. Dana, welcome in. Listen.
I don't care how you get him, but those ones
like last night, painous clutch home run and then the
new guy Paradus comes in and the walk off. What
a satisfying night. Regardless of the lack of explosion, those

(02:20:42):
two runs mattered. And that's all the care. He came
up on the right side of the scoreboard. You gotta
love those nights. They never get old.

Speaker 6 (02:20:48):
Absolutely, you know, he got a good, good outing by
Framburgh outstanding eight innings and nice team building, home runs,
shown some power for the victory, and you know we
beat it pretty good team. So you know, the boys
got after it last night. A win is a win
and we got to keep it roll.

Speaker 2 (02:21:06):
Up, hey, and sometimes Dana win like that. You know,
I believe that there's ten twelve maybe in baseball longer
in football, three or four moments, and in baseball maybe
there's twenty five of them. We say that was a turnaround,
or you point back to certain games and even though
it wasn't a fifteen run blowout, those games can maybe
not game to game momentum, but there's a confidence that

(02:21:28):
goes with winning like that. They can actually springboard your team.
You agree or disagree?

Speaker 6 (02:21:33):
Yeah, I agree. I mean for many of our listeners
who love sports, you know, when you have a win
like that, you know, it just it really energizes the team,
you know, and just to watch the boys celebrate at
home plate last night after Perettis, you know who's been
really good for us. You know, Perettis has been really
good defensively. You know, he's got over an eight hundred ops.

(02:21:57):
I mean, the guy's been a really good player. So
to just watch the guys rally around home plate after
that type of win.

Speaker 15 (02:22:05):
I mean, it is a drop, Dana.

Speaker 2 (02:22:09):
Has he exceeded your expectations so far? He's been really good.
Has he exceeded did you expect? Did you expect this
already from him?

Speaker 6 (02:22:17):
Yeah? You know what I expected. I expected a guy
that would come in and you know, play a really
solid third base and uh, you know, drive some balls
out of the ball park because of his bats. His
bat matches well with the Crawford boxes and so, uh
you know, I really I'm really excited about what he's doing,
and so I hope he continues to do that, which

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I really silly will because he's that type of guy
that sees a lot of pitches. I mean, he's kind
of annoying the pitch too, because, uh you know, he
takes a lot of pitches. He takes close pitches that
are balls, and he really has good at that. So, uh,
you know, we we think he's got a chance of
really continuing that and having a good successful year for us.

Speaker 2 (02:23:00):
You know, we got Dana Brown Astro's gym for his
weekly visit here on Sports Talk seven ninety. We obviously
have seen Hunter Brown, who's pitching Cy Young level fromber
last night, who is a inning z eeter and when
he's on, there's no better left hander in baseball. He's
that good. And I'm not telling anything you don't know.
And then Renel Blanco to do what he did the
other night and looked like last year when he was spectacular.

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That front part of your starting rotation, the whole rotation,
but that front you can pit that against anybody. Performances
like that. You keep preaching pitching. You get pitching like that,
you're gonna it's it's gonna be tough on a lot
of opposing batters.

Speaker 6 (02:23:34):
Yeah, and just think you know, our backs are starting
to heat up. And when you get that type of pitching,
you know we want to run off you know, five, seven,
ten in a row. That I mean, that's the key.
You know, the key is to continue to stay over
five hundred and then get those big runs like five
to seven and ten in a row. And that really
touched the team in a good spot, you know, all

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down the stretch. So uh, like I said, the boys
are heating up with the bats and so you know
it's it's it's time to have a fun ride. Right now.

Speaker 2 (02:24:03):
What are you seeing from your team that tells you
they're heating up and that they're going to sustain this.

Speaker 6 (02:24:08):
Yeah, I mean, you know, just starting with Jeremy Pinya,
you know, he's been really good at the top of
the order. Peretis right behind him. You know, Walker has
been a lot better of late, you know, hitting like
almost three hundred over his last nine games, so he's
starting to heat up. Of course, you know, Diez just
had that ten game Hitch Street snack last night. You know.

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So the guys are really starting to heat up. And
we've done a lot of this, you know, with with
Joda on you know, on the IL, so you know,
we're hoping to get him back sometime soon, within the
next five days, so that would be great. But look,
the guys are starting to heat up. I like the
way that the offense is trending, you know, and and

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the defense has been good all year, and the pitching
has been carrying this. So this is a good team,
make no mistake about it.

Speaker 2 (02:24:57):
Hey, is there any you said in the next five
of days for Jordan, Is there anything that would slow
that down or should we expect, you know, by the
end of the weekend that we got him early next week.

Speaker 6 (02:25:08):
Well, you know, the thing is he's just now starting
to you know, swing the bat, and so, uh, he
feels pretty good and that's a good sign. And so
once these guys start to swing, when they have these
type of hand injuries, well, once they start to swing,
you know, it's it's it all. It's all about how
you feel the next day. And so today we'll know
more than we knew yesterday. And so when he gets

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in there, we'll you know, see how he feels and
we'll know a lot more. But he's coming.

Speaker 2 (02:25:34):
Along nicely, Dana. So this is just basically now with
this is just a threshold of pain thing, how much
he can handle. He communicates with the training staff, communicates
with you guys, and when he feels set and ready
to go handling that pain or however it is, that
that that's when we see him go. Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (02:25:51):
Well, no, I don't. I don't even say that it's pain.
I just think it's it's it's more of a comfort thing.
I think he's it's you know, the pain is start
is going away. Now it's more Yeah, so now it's
more of as more of a comfort thing. And how
do you feel and you know, sometimes psychologically you've been
around sports psychologically, you know, you got to really feel it,
you know, once that thing starts to feel good and say, okay,

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I'm ready to go. So I think he's getting there,
and you know he's closing in on hopefully getting here
within that next Friday.

Speaker 2 (02:26:21):
So that's awesome.

Speaker 6 (02:26:22):
We're very active, very optimistic.

Speaker 2 (02:26:24):
As doos GM Dana Brown for his weekly visit, Dana,
I don't want to discuss the stuff off the field
because we know and that's being taken care of and
somebody can't discuss when the laws looking into it. But
on the field, well, what did you see in Lance's
performance that you know, I know it's a second start
and all the nerves that go into but what did
you see in his performance pitching wise that either was

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a concern or that you say he's going to be okay.

Speaker 6 (02:26:49):
Yeah, I think he's going to be okay. I think
the big thing was the command. You know, he didn't
have command of his stuff, and you know, going back
to my scouting days, we would always say the guy's
second start is always the toughest because you know, you're
spending so much energy in that first start, particularly Lance
when he came back and he had you pitched me
two years two years plus, and you know, you go,

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you pour it all in in that first start, and
then that second start. You know, sometimes you just don't.
Your bodies just don't recover as well. And I think,
you know, with him coming back, I think I'm really
looking forward to his next start. That second starts usually
always tough, you know, because you pour so much into
the first one.

Speaker 2 (02:27:31):
And his focus is still the part on the field
right because of that all he's overcome and the emotion
that must be raw from him on the field. Data
you've talked about it, that was a long time coming.
I mean, shouldn't we have expected for it to be
a little bit difficult to get going the way he wanted? It?
Isn't that human nature with all the baseball you've watched
and covered and led over the years.

Speaker 6 (02:27:53):
Look, you know, regardless of who it is, you know
you could have something. Young award winners, you know, these
you know, these guys come back without you know, when
they haven't pitched in a while. It's really difficult. I mean,
you're especially when you're facing good teams. I mean, teams
are trying to the teams are coming after the ass thos,
you know, because we've been really good for a long time.
And and look, I just think Lance is he's gonna

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be all right. You know, I talked to him. His
heads in a good space. Uh, you know, we we
talked a little bit last night after the game. I'm
looking forward to his next start. I mean, I'm really
feel confident. This guy worked his tail off. You know.
I think you know, when you when you go through
these long stretches, you know they could be really difficult.
And you know, Lance has had a lot of success

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here in this organization, has done a lot of good
things here, and so you know, we we we have
to give guys a runway, you know, just to see,
you know, what they could do when they're coming back.
And I think, you know, I feel really confident, you
know that he's going to be okay. And so you know,
it's got to get the command right. You know, you
can't walk guys in the big leagues because the walks

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will hurt, you know. And so stuff wise, I think,
you know, stuff was better at first outing, not as
good as second outing. So you know, if the stuff
backs up and the command's not there, it's gonna be
a little bit more difficult, but I think he's gonna
be fine. I'm looking forward to his next start.

Speaker 2 (02:29:15):
Hey, Dan, I had an interesting pitching conversation with Steve
Sparks on Monday on the show, and we are talking
about Lance and you know, he's got and at a
time when spin rate is so important and everybody wants that, right,
he's got so much spin and so much stuff on
his ball. You know, he was talking about that sweeper
that breaks twenty four to twenty five inches, whatever it is.
It's Steven mentioned, is there a possibility that it's sometimes

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you got to back the spin off because it's you know,
getting were their non competitive pitches outside the strikes, and
so there are competitive swing and missus, which he's really
good at as well. Did is there ever a point
in time when we say, yeah, a little too much spin,
we got to back off that, kind of like a
golfer near a green.

Speaker 6 (02:29:55):
Yeah, I would say I was addressed it a little
bit differently, would say, just started in a different location.
So if it's sweeping that far, you know, started more
on the in or half right, maybe it's you know,
it sweeps across the plate. Because you never want to
back off, you know, because the hitters want you to
back off, right they you know, they were looking for
you to They're looking for you to take the foot
off the gas. But ultimately, I think if you, you know,

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keep the spin started in a different location, break it
across the plate, outer half of the plate, whatever you
have to do, I think that's a better way of
addressing it and so that this stuff doesn't back up.

Speaker 2 (02:30:32):
Have you ever in this in this period, since you've
been here, Dana, with Lance rehabing and then after that
start and what went on, have you ever looked at
him and wondered if he was still confident? Has that
ever entered your mind?

Speaker 6 (02:30:44):
No, not at all. This guy's a gamer. As I
said before, he's done a lot of good things. And
then I think people do realize that this guy's had
a really good career here. Uh he knows that he's
really good. I think he feels like he's dialed in
and and you know, it's just a manner of you know,
commanding your stuff and making sure you're you know, ninety

(02:31:05):
two to ninety four with that good sweeper and uh,
you know, the good slider and good changeups. So I
think Lance is very, very confident. I think you know,
when you've had the success that he's had here, you know,
you realize, like, look this guy, this guy's locked in. So,
like I said, I can't wait for his next start.
I'm really looking forward to.

Speaker 2 (02:31:26):
Yeah, I anticipate. I can't wait either. A couple more
minutes with Dana Brown asks gym Dana Force, Whitley got
an inning in look struck out a couple uh update
on him and how you feeling about him right now?

Speaker 6 (02:31:39):
Yeah, I think Forrest is getting locked in. He's uh,
you know, he's excited because he had that you know
success there right before he reintroduces me. You know, I
think he's locked in. You know, he he he pitched
over there, he did well, you know sugar Land, and
so I think he's locked in. Hopefully won't get him back,

(02:31:59):
you know, some time next week early or the next range. So,
but you know, I'm excited about Forrest because you know,
he's showing that he's ready to pitch at the big
league level. He's going to strike guys out. The fastball
has been up to ninety eight, and you know he's
looking like he's ready to turn the corner. So health

(02:32:20):
is a big part of it. And you know he's
he's showing a lot better right now.

Speaker 2 (02:32:23):
Can we get a scouting report? You got such a
great specialty on this talent of Gordon at his start tonight,
what we can expect to see from him?

Speaker 6 (02:32:32):
Yeah, I would expect that you're gonna get, you know,
a competitive left handed starter who's going to touch ninety three,
you know, and throw a pretty good breaking ball and
attack his own And you know, I think he'll be
he'll be locked in tonight. You know, he's he's he's
really fired up about getting his start tonight, and so

(02:32:53):
I'm looking for the good things tonight and I know
he's gonna get after it. So I'm I'm pumped up.

Speaker 2 (02:32:59):
I'm gonna let you go with this. And I don't
want to talk about the reasons why or how he
got back in. I just want to talk about the
baseball player, because you're the perfect guy to ask. When
you were growing up and when you were watching him
and watching Pete Rose play, what'd you think about him
as a player? Dan, I always I've never asked you
about Pete is the player? What was your feelings about
him when he played?

Speaker 6 (02:33:19):
Listen, Pete Rose was one of the reasons why I
started going head first.

Speaker 2 (02:33:24):
In the fact, I said the same thing today.

Speaker 6 (02:33:27):
Yeah, I was a bass dealer, you know, back in
my days of playing, and so I was the head
first slide. And you know Pete Rose, you know, he
did a lot of that for a lot of the
kids in the neighborhood that I grew up in. And so,
you know Pete Rose, just watching him play to switch hitter,
you know, over four thousand hits. You know, he's some

(02:33:47):
kind of special player. So you know, I enjoyed watching
Pete play as a kid.

Speaker 2 (02:33:53):
You know what's interesting about Danny mentioned the forty two
hundred plus hits. There's no way anybody sniffed. That's twenty
plus year of averaging two hundred plus hits a year.
How does anybody ever touch that in this day and
age with specialization, Yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (02:34:07):
Think they get the four thousand. I mean, you got
to you gotta get two hundred, you gotta get two
hundred and fifty hits for seventeen years or something like that,
or maybe eighteen years. But yeah, I think that's one
of those records. You know, it's not quite Kyle Ripkins,
but it's one of those that it's going to be really,

(02:34:28):
really difficult to break.

Speaker 2 (02:34:30):
And so at this time last year we're having this conversation,
team was pushing towards twelve and twenty four. You're over
five hundred. While you're not feeling perfect about it, you
got to feel really good about at least the start
in fighting through some injuries and new guys and changes.
Pretty good start to the forty plus games you've already
started on, Dana.

Speaker 6 (02:34:49):
Yeah, forty one games in one game over, you know,
twenty one and twenty just two games, two games back,
and I think the guys are pretty much locked in
and the bat starting to heat up. And I've always
said once these pats heat up, you'll start seeing some
wins come across that board. And so I think we're
right at the brink of really turning this thing around

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and making a good run for it and getting some
cushion over five hundred, and so that's what I'm looking
for to see what's from the boys, And you know,
I'm locked in.

Speaker 2 (02:35:20):
It's gonna be a hell of a watch this next week.
And got a young one out there tonight and then
mccullor's next start and getting forced Whittley back up lot
and waiting on your done. Can't wait, Dana, Thanks so
much and congrats on the win last night, and we'll
talk to you next week.

Speaker 6 (02:35:32):
Appreciate you having me on. Let's go ask your fans.

Speaker 2 (02:35:34):
There you go, that's Dandy Brown. We'll come back and discuss.
We wrap this one up here. On Sports Talk seven ninety,
the Shawn Salisbury Show continued, Now, what's going on? Hey,
what's going on?

Speaker 1 (02:35:47):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (02:35:48):
A great show?

Speaker 18 (02:35:49):
Hey go asstros great and ring and Sean let me
touch on Dane, what Bisky was talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:35:55):
What the Hall of Fame? Sean?

Speaker 18 (02:35:56):
I agree with him, he spot on, can we stop
hold and these guys accountable other than a murder charge
outside the you know, the League of Professional Baseball political
opinion have for gotten us away of performance on the field.
These guys are sports professional player, Shun. You notice and
even with the Bill BELLI check off the field, I

(02:36:16):
don't think it's we get caught up in too much
of these guys personal life and then when something happened,
the guy passed or whatever, we circle back and hollow
the famous career ahead. Can we just stay with that, Shun?
I think a lot of this stuff would be solidified
because guess what it's all about what you've done on
the field as a coach and as a player. Can
we just get these guys their flowers for what they've

(02:36:38):
done for the game?

Speaker 2 (02:36:39):
And I hang up at the thanks he I appreciate it, buddy,
hell of a point. Hell of a point. But it's
selective and with social media, unfortunately for our's point of view,
that's never gonna happen. Sure, but he's right, but he's ready.
He's right though, and I mean and and a lot
of times this happens.

Speaker 4 (02:36:54):
It's it's after the fact that we go back and
we say, yeah, maybe a little too hard on.

Speaker 2 (02:36:59):
Them then't not the way it usually is?

Speaker 13 (02:37:01):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (02:37:01):
Yeah, well, I mean Tom has a way of making
you think differently about things real quick.

Speaker 2 (02:37:06):
Randall, Hey, good morning, guys.

Speaker 15 (02:37:08):
Man.

Speaker 19 (02:37:09):
Pete Rose was my favorite player growing up, and he
still is. I mean, here is the big red machine.
And I loved when he played in Philly. He played
with great players. George Fossel Dave's conception on Mike Smith.
I mean, you know, don't give Pete the rose when
he's dead and gone. You should have gave him his
Rose when he was alive. He should have been in

(02:37:30):
the Hall of Fame years ago. And I think that
they should have given these guys that vote a five
year period to vote, because the thing about it is
is that a lot of these guys didn't even grow.

Speaker 2 (02:37:42):
Up in Pete Rose era. And when we talk.

Speaker 19 (02:37:47):
About gambling, we was talking about the casinos here in Texas.
You can go right up there in Livingston and gamble.
Texas is gambling already in Texas, right up the street
in Livingston. Why not make it legal all over Texas?
And a lot of these guys get these peds.

Speaker 2 (02:38:05):
And and they reinstate them. Thank you, Hey, appreciate the call. Randall.

Speaker 4 (02:38:10):
Yeah, I mean, look, we can you know, wax poetic
about hypocrisy all day long, and we'll have plenty of
a show to be able to talk about. But we
made the most of our time today. That's it for sure.
Absolutely all right. Appreciate all of you who jumped aboard
on this conversation though it means a lot to all
of you. He's Sean Triple, Emmanuel Elmore, Dan Matthews here

(02:38:31):
and the Matt Toms Show with Ross coming up next.
As for us, we'll talk to you in twenty hours
right here Sports Talk seven ninety