Astros Lose Opener to Nationals, Remembering Ryne Sandberg, & A.J. Pierzynski Joins 790!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Salsbury.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Okay, let's do this, Sewan Salisbury.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
To usc True's longtime friend Shawn Salisbury.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Dan Matthewscus. This is the Sean Salisbury show.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Here's the O two bitch got him strike three, break
the ball below it in big strikeout there there's two
away five strikeouts now for fromber is that a thousand
for his career?

Speaker 6 (00:34):
That is one thousand strikeouts in fromber Valdez his career.
They have an acknowledgment on the video board and a
well deserved hand for Fromberg. Lord delivers and Dubon lines
it down a left field line. That's a fair ballable
bound all the way into the corner. Yuner on his
way to third, lyle digging it out of the corner.
Yyer gets the way from Tony Parish, Chica. There will

(00:55):
be no throat of the plate. Guyner stores. Astros lead
one to nothing on their first of the game and
RBI double by Maaricio Dubon. Here it comes, and that
is pulled and passed a sliding walker into right field,
over toward the warning track. Bell Wait on his way
to third. He's a round third in coming home. The
relay to the plate not in time Bell scores standing

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up and the Nationals on Nathaniel Lowe's RBI double tie
the game at one, all happening with two outs.

Speaker 7 (01:25):
Here's a pitch.

Speaker 8 (01:25):
It is driven to right field and hit deep Trammel
back onto the warning.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Tracking it's into the second row.

Speaker 8 (01:32):
Riley Adams, an opposite field homer makes it a two
to one ball game in the seventh for Adams, that's
his sixth of the season. Swinging in a shot toward
the middle, Abrams as it flips it to second out, over.

Speaker 7 (01:45):
To first base out double play.

Speaker 8 (01:48):
Hits sharply, probably hit that one hundred miles per hour,
but it's a double play and there's two away with
the runner on third.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
Here's the three to two breaking ball, strike three.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Oh my, that was in Duba. Not happy.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
He's having a couple of words with Lance Barksdale.

Speaker 7 (02:04):
But that'll do it for the Astros. Here at the
seventh inning, they stray.

Speaker 6 (02:07):
In a runner on third, fin against two to two
swing and a mess. Melton strikes out on a splitter
in the dirt, and that is the ballgame. They Houston
Astros suffer their fifth consecutive defeat, a season high, losing
Street as the Nationals take the first game of this
series two to one. Astros have now dropped ten of
their last eleven games at home.

Speaker 9 (02:30):
Well, sometimes they say meet the new Boss, seem as
the old boss. At least that's what Roger and the
crew from England once said. But Sean, it just seems
like it is yet again another day slash night, whatever
time of day it is, that we're talking the same
way about the Astros, especially during this Homestand good morning,

(02:53):
by the.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Way, good morning, Good to have you back. Hope you
had a good trip. Man, It's kind of gives you
that extra I mean, it's football season, so you know,
the grind kicks in right. Oh, And that's great to
have you back. You deserve that vacation. It's nice to
have you back. And so I hope you enjoyed it. Brother. Look,
I guess some son or ready to go. Yeah, it's
always good. I Dan, I I would think it's pretty
easy for me. I mean, if you've listened to me

(03:16):
this year, and I'm not much of a fence hitter,
the glass has been half full for me with the
way that they've been. We hear the grit and all that,
but the truth, the resilience in the way they've gone
about this this year is pretty remarkable in eighteen nineteen, dudes,
it really is.

Speaker 7 (03:30):
I mean, now, if.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
If you're outside this market and watching baseball and we
get I think we got a J. Perzinski. We have
Tim Kirchin in the in the next couple of days,
a J today correct.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
Tim kirsh will be.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
A precursor right the trade deadline, and we'll give us
some really good information about what team because both of
them pay extremely close attention, right And good point is
that with them or anybody else, if you say Astros,
I would think that most of us have to agree
that it's been a remarkable year considering the circumstances. And

(04:09):
quite frankly, a lot of teams that are sitting in
the third or fourth place will give anything to be
have their record with healthy people. I've said it before,
so you know, I've been a glass half full guy
with this team this year, just because having been on
teams Dan that were talented and underachieved, and that were
talented and we were properly rated, and that were probably

(04:32):
not as talented, but we were.

Speaker 7 (04:35):
You knew when you came into the building you were
in for a game.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Does that make sense? And I've been on teams, Like
I said, there was like we went in that if
you were going to like my freshman year at SC
with Marcus Hallen and Bruce we we were loaded. It's
like when you walk down the tunnel, you're gonna have
to be pretty good to beat us. I mean, and
if it got into a fistfight, we were gonna beat
you there too. There was, you know that feeling right now.
I don't know if they have it, but their resilience

(04:58):
has been great, so there's no doubt. But I got
to tell you, and I'm a pretty much a truth teller,
that's whatever. I'm not a hot take guy. So when
I say it, I believe it. I think this team's
in trouble. I do know. I know the Cavalry's coming.
That doesn't mean what they've done isn't spectacle, doesn't mean
they can't go win the division, doesn't mean they can't
go win a World Series.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
I do think they're in trouble.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I don't believe with the current lineup, the way they're hitting,
they can't win the World Series. Too much pressure fromber
throws twelve strikeouts, walks a couple goes six innings and
can't get but a run. Yeah, and you know what's
gonna happen when you run into the postseason. Guess who
pitches in the postseason World Series? O Tani American League.
You go face Crochet, Scooba, Scooball you're gonna face. I mean,

(05:39):
think about where you go, who you're going to run into.
You're not running into a bunch of hacks. You don't
get the fifth, fifth, and sixth, and seventh.

Speaker 7 (05:47):
And eighth starter.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
You get their guy and they can't hit like this,
I mean, which you would have to even with even
with the hell, even with Javey, Aeron Garcia and Arraghetti back,
they got to find their way as well. Is that
a guarantee that Jordon, when he gets back, she's going
to hit fifteen home runs in the last two months.

Speaker 9 (06:05):
You heard what Dana Brown said the other day, seventy
five percent is better than some of the guys you
got here.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Right, So, and that's listen, sometimes the truth hurts, right,
and Dana's spot on. Yet I don't want Jordan coming
back at seventy five percent because that to me, I mean,
if it was only seventy five percent. He'll he's right,
I got the point of the guy. So talent his
seventy five percent as other people's ninety three. Sure, but
and in some cases even more than that. So I
get that they're in trouble.

Speaker 7 (06:30):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
It's no longer a long season, meaning what's left you?
You really are in a There's got to be a
sense of urgency because you've lost five straight games two
teams that have zero business beating you. And I understand
somebody gets mixed in when Oakland's got some good young talent. Dude,
they do they just lose them all because you won't

(06:53):
pay to keep them, and they just don't. I mean so,
and so I understand their formal four in a row
at your place unacceptable. And I know it's getting people
back and it's post all star, but we can't keep saying, well,
we got this and you got this much time when
the calvaries come, is it? Is it? We think it
is so, but you're prepared for setbacks. She also did

(07:13):
anybody have Walter on their Bengal card that he was
going to be out?

Speaker 7 (07:16):
No going?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well, just like that gone. I mean when I say
gone for a minute, at least right right, So the
Meyers stuff feels like it's lingering. It's obvious that Paradus
is going to be that's going to change the thought
of the deadline his sere. The severity is injury has
got to change what you do between now and Thursday.
I believe they're not good enough with the bats right now.
They're just not good players, and the sum is just

(07:42):
not quite good enough. I don't think to face great
pitching because you're also going to run into some pretty
good hitters on other teams. That's it. When you get
the good ones. When Seattle throws Castillo out there, when
the Rangers throw Evaldi or throw de Gram, they're as
good as your two Caps. Pitching at the top of
the just are. Now, if we go through the playoff

(08:03):
thing as we sit today, and you go through the
playoff teams, you can make the argument that the worst
offensive lineup I'm talking about just on paper, by far
is this lineup. Now. Have they overachieved the times, absolutely,
but there's a lot of things. They've got some timely hits.
It puts them in this They've got some phenomenal pitching.
The bullpen's been pretty outstanding, and then at moments they have.

(08:25):
But well, and we can't keep making excuse Well, they're hurt.
A lot of people are hurt. A lot of teams
are banged up, this one a lot. But you go
out and scout people to do what when their time
comes to play, they got to play because you've got
to prepare for this. And that's you know, whether it's attrition,
free agency, trades, injuries, lack of production, all that kicks

(08:45):
in at some point for every team during the season. Now,
if you've got enough players to hold it over, great
pitching to hold you down. But right now, I talk.
We always say pitching, pitching, pitching, but you can't get it.
Twelve strikeout performance and give that. That was paulse scheme
stuff and the same results, the same result where you

(09:07):
pitch your ass off, you dominate and you're unhittable for
the majority of the game, and they get you one
run and you look over and say, oh my gosh.
Now I know it's not selfish, but there's a part
of people that says, when the end is, at the
end of the season, you start to stack them up.
You say, man, that's four more, five more wins. I
might have won the side young, regardless of what people say, well,
it's about the team, it is. But every single player

(09:28):
I know wants to do both want to win and
want to be the best at their position or win
the award, and so that stuff starts to creep in.
And I also, what happens in football in offensive defense.
I'm not saying it's gonna happen on this team because
they had a strong locker room clubhouse, but what happens
with team Dan, You've been around football a long time.
When one team's one side of the balls dominating the

(09:49):
other eight pulling its weight, what ends up happening eventually
in a locker room or on the sideline you start
to see players come over slam their helmet and it happens,
and you almost start to get pitted against each other
because in the then social media starts, well, this defense sucks.
What are you talking about? We're playing our that's why
how he says something that meeting, that's something players all
the meeting. Some guy, Well, you guys start pulling your weight.

(10:11):
I've been in them, Yeah, well what do you And
it's not a it It doesn't become constructive. Then it's
a you're oh, that's it's a it's I confess you
did get it.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
Yeah, it's your fault.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Okay, then then that's and this team's been good about
fighting it off. But trust me, it exists on every team.
You can be divided hell ni l's. I'm sure we'll
get to at some point this week or as college
football comes round. Look what happened in Maryland and I
L Mike locks divided. I lost my locker room because
of it. The jealousies, and we're going to get a
thousand more of those. The guy at right guard who

(10:42):
thinks he's better than the left guard and the left
guard's making one hundred thousand more than him, and then
the NI it's good, what are you doing? And the
jealousy it will create problems. These are eighteen, nineteen twenty
year old kids that peer group pressure. Well, he's making
you'll get it. So in this thing, I think that
I think the Astros, now they go on a ten
game run, they're nine to one, then we'll get here

(11:03):
and say phenomenal what they do. I think they're in
trouble because regardless of how they get there, you cannot
win hitting like this in the postseason. There's too much
good pitching, and there's too many teams that are gonna
be in a playoffs that will out hit you. And
when I say out hit you, whether it's Appa, I'm
going to outslug you. And there's no guarantee when these
guys back that Javier is going to be lights out,

(11:24):
that that Jordan's gonna hit three twenty. Maybe maybe, but
you're messing with fire. This team is these last five
the borderline inexcusable in my book, and just and but
they're gonna keep competing. And there's what three games in
front now. The other two teams are charging Mariners win.
The Rangers are dangerous, they're playing good baseball, and both

(11:47):
of them can out hit the Astros right now, and
both of them probably have more ammunition to be able
to pull off a trade than you do. And we
already saw McMahon's yankee right yep. And where's you had
some weaknesses at other places? Did you think you were
going to wake up and there was going to be
a weakness or a gap at third base? He's been

(12:07):
one of your best players.

Speaker 9 (12:08):
I mean, I think it's playing out right now that
you're four and five without him, Is you see how
different this lineup is without him taking pitches and you know,
running up the pitch count and being able to do
what he's done, even if it doesn't result in the hit.

Speaker 7 (12:22):
You're missing ESOC Predus in the worst way right now.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I'm just going to tell you this, Dan, I don't
like things to sting too much because you don't want
to keep giving a year after year, trying to build
it back up the farm system instead of giveaway. But
if you really truly think that you're a World Series team,
and I think if you're Dana Brown, you're thinking Hobby
ra soon, Garcia hopefully, errag Getti maybe next, and then
all of a sudden you start to piece him back together.
Who knows about Myers and Petis, which both starts an

(12:46):
any truth aside from Pania, those two were having the
best offensive season on this team and both of them
are out.

Speaker 7 (12:53):
So even at the time when he said.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, PAINEA, he's not a three hundred hitter, he hasn't
been in his career is and took it to an
MVP level, and then you get Myers that come on,
and if he hits two thirty, we should be crawling
ten miles over broken. The last three hundred and those
have been aside from praise your two most productive offensive
players and so on, a consistently. Well, now now you're
in a position here, Dan, when you think about all

(13:16):
that they're going to have to do to get right,
I how in the world you didn't think third base
was going to be it?

Speaker 7 (13:25):
And about the pharm sistem. Okay, I lost my train
of thought.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I was thinking about Arizona and how many people they're
going to try to move here if they are right.
But I'm thinking about who's the prize at third base? Well,
we know who it is. It's Suarez right now. Arnatto
maybe a little bit, but Suarez is the prize, right
But it's a rental. Dan, If you think you're a
World Series team, I'm just saying, if they you and
I may or may not. If they think they're a

(13:48):
world Series team in that front office, and I mean,
they believe that they're getting these the cavalies coming, but
yet you still think you got a slug. You absolutely
are going to have to give up some but you
do not want to give up because it's going to
be a bidding war for suare I'm just telling you
there's like the teams that were interested in him. There's
like twelve of them. I mean the list, I mean
you start to go down now. The Yankees are out

(14:10):
of it because they went and got their third basement
at probably a price. It's gonna come cheaper than a
mid thirties guy who's still going to hit fifty home
runs this year. So for me, if you believe, I
don't know, I think they're right now a playoff team
that can win a series two. But the question if
they hit like this, they're gonna get eliminated. You just
can't keep that's too And a hunter hasn't had his

(14:31):
best starts to last three games, and you're counting on
him to go six or seven last three or four starts,
he hasn't got out of the fifth inning, so worked
with it's a this is a difficult circumstan and it's
nut cut in time.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
We're Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
If they do go all in, meaning they make a
I don't even know if it's a wild factor, but
are pretty significant to get an arm and a bat
or whatever spark he said yesterday, Yes, yes, and Steve
say it because you know Steve's always he's so he
doesn't he doesn't trip out like he's the conversation he does,
but he doesn't trip out like the rest. It was like,

(15:06):
oh you lost for to road, It's likely we're gonna
be okay. But he's also very honest about their needs.
Right without singling out individuals. You're not gonna go and
say we got to get Suarez here. That's not his
gig and it shouldn't be. It's none of our gigs.
But we can speculate Steve's a little more level headed
than the rest of us as fans immediate right, So
with this, Dan, I'm just telling you, if you believe

(15:28):
they're even as a fan base, don't get mad if
they make a deal that gets rid of one of
your prospects and a player because it is or two
of them. If you also think that they're a World
Series team, because I think they think they are. But
if you put them in a conference room having a
beer with just the fellas and whoever talking, and he said,
can this lineup win the World Series as it sits today,

(15:51):
I would think they probably got to say we'd have
to do some a couple out of body experiences to
get through the postseason. Hitting the ball away, we are
doesn't mean they're not talented. It just means it feels
like they're a little in over their head at the
plate right now. And that's hard to say, but Dan,
it's if they're all in, you'll know how big this
thing is. We'll tell you what they think of this

(16:14):
team here in the next couple of days. I know
they love them and Dane always does and believe they
want to win all the time. It's not a matter
of that, but how deeply do they feel they can
win if it stays like this at the hitting order?

Speaker 9 (16:27):
Well, and you saw a couple of moves made yesterday
that might make you wonder if indeed a move is
imminent today tomorrow. You heard Dana Brown on with the
TV crew last night talking about that something could materialize
here in the next day or two, so we'll obviously
be keeping an eye on that. Also, if you want
to chime in someone three two one two five seven
ninety against someone three two one two five seven ninety

(16:50):
as the show goes along too. Some of that frustration
you mentioned, especially from one side of that clubhouse, oh boy,
it might have boiled over last night. We'll talk about
it here. To Sean Salisbury show on a Tuesday, Sports
Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Hello haters from LA to New York, Parker up and
kiss hour ass astros.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
This is Sports Talk seven ninety Home of your Astros,
still twenty seventeen, chaps.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
No doubt about it. Sean Salisbury's show continues right now.

Speaker 9 (17:31):
I'm gonna get you know, I'm more of an on
the Rocks guy, so I'll probably say pain you I
get chill head.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't bury the lead. This is a
good cut. Oh yeah, what a what a banger? What
a friggin' banger. And you know, I uh, I could
listen to this song all day and put a muzzle
on my voice. But Payne, yeah, I'm with you if
I'm going Margot's Rocks because I that chill head kicks

(17:58):
in what people call brain freeze. I'm a chillhead. Yeah yeah,
you know, and I it just like every singles, just
like another headache coming on another head because I can't
drink him slow, right, So you got to go Mark,
but yeah, five dollars market. That's a good gig. And
then to go watch what was your team MVP? Get
himself right back. Let's hope the rhythm and the swing
are the same, and it that that area hasn't prevented

(18:19):
his torque because he was playing good and that's really
good closer, he's only he's only what a trip down
fifty nine to sixty nine away?

Speaker 9 (18:25):
Now, Yeah, it's it's it's flipped right now because you've
got guys who you want to be here playing in
Sugarland and guys who are here who should be playing
in sugar.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Land exactly right, and we're getting the invaluable experience down
the road. And quite frankly, Tremmel and some they've helped already.
I mean, they've done a hell of a job. But
you got to have your Clydesdale's back, right, and this
is one of them. So that's good news that he's
the envelope. And you know, it's just kind of he's

(18:57):
kind of gone about that rehab kind of just you know, methodical,
not a lot of talk right now and going back
to business kind of like his off season this year.
Not that he's a talker anyway, but just he went
to work and do it. I would fully expect him
to be ready to go, and that'll be surely nice
to roll him back in the leadoff spot and get
him going again, and I hope the rhythm and nothing

(19:17):
changed other than and he'll have fresh legs.

Speaker 7 (19:20):
And that's a good thing. These last fifty or so games.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Remember a J.

Speaker 9 (19:22):
Hinch when they won the ALCS that one year, you know,
said win the division. Check that box, you know, just
going through it, it's almost Dana Brown, like you almost
wonder if it's like that HGB commercial with Jose Altuve
checking single, double, triple, all of that right now, if
there's like a big whiteboard in Dana and the in
the front office personnel office of hey, Jacob Melton, all right,

(19:43):
we got him back. And then you're hoping before you
board the plane to go to Boston on Thursday that
you're like, oh, Jeremy Pania, he's gonna be back.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Okay, good.

Speaker 9 (19:51):
I mean, you know, a little by little you want
to start checking more boxes of hey, I get your
two years.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
We're stayed on the plane back that's exactly right. Now
we're down the fourteenth when all those checks marks are
pretty much filled. You know, it's like the old Jimmy
the Greek and Brett Musburg, you know, the checking off.
This team's this team who's got the check in the
category coaches, coaches boom, this team, talent, this team coaching,
bah base running power, you'd like to get those in,

(20:17):
getting healthy, get the checkbox, I mean check that box again.
Payne is a good start, a good start because right
now I need far more hitting than I do pitching.
The guys struck out twelve last ninety six innings fromer
did what I mean, yeah nineteen yeah, nineteen yeah, and

(20:39):
gave them one. But at least they snapped the eighteen game.
Somebody outscored. Somebody scored first off. The problem is they
scored second one more time than you, So they have
They're gonna have to swing the bad better. They just are.
And Calvary I know is coming. And part of that
is payinya. But you're gonna get a Okay, you're gonna

(21:00):
get a okay. Well it may sting. We got that
power bat. I believe that's coming between now and Thursday,
in my opinion, and I don't if you think you're
a World Series team. If not, oh we're gonna go
with what we got. That'll tell you it's your survival
mode and hopefully you can get you you can. The
Bats will pick up and that the healthier getting on
your own team is good enough to handle without going

(21:22):
and making that, you know whatever, it's a wow factor
or an upper echelon type move for a Suarez type
of player.

Speaker 9 (21:28):
I think there's precedent too to what you just brought
up with trades that we will get into as the
show goes along, because I do think that that Dana
it might be a guy that has a little bit
of a track record, especially dealing with things like this.
So we'll talk about as the show goes along. Jason,
see you right there. We'll get you involved in the conversation.

(21:49):
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(23:43):
Salisbury Show continued. You saw a lot of the tributes,
you know, floating around there last night, and you know,
it's it's one of those that, gosh, you know people
that have usually bad takes the you know, at least
somebody else that I'll mention today that had a good
take that we'll talk about when it comes to Major
League Baseball, But Darren Ravel is one of those guys

(24:06):
that usually does.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
And I thought his point was great.

Speaker 9 (24:08):
Where it was, if you grew up in the eighties
and nineties, you had WGN, you had TBS, so you
were either a Cubs kid or you were a Braves kid.
So that means either Ryan Sandberg or Dale Murphy during
that time. Luckily we still have Dale, but I mean,
what that human being that guy ish dude as salt
of the Earth belongs in the belongs in the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
There's no better person, former or current player in baseball
than that guy. Dale Murphy is a phenomenal human being,
but Ryan Sandberg is so it's so gut wrenching. Yesterday
on another show I Do, we were talking about dion and
the health and what a scare. That was the pre
press conference, in post press conference, right, and I think

(24:47):
deanzen is pushing said with his late fifties, right, fifty
eight fifty somewhere in there. I can't even remember what
his agenes. He's in the neighborhood right now. And you're thinking,
that's scary. You're talking about bladder and you went and
remember Ryan Sandberg had been are free and then it
came back and unfortunately had spread. It started with the
prostate guys, go get it checked, just to just, you
know what, draw a little blood, pee into a cup

(25:09):
or whatever it is and let them check your PSA levels.
This is that I'm not trying to, you know, scare
anybody straight. But you can prevent that if you just
just every two years one You're just just it's not
that you can you can prevent that. If it's if
it's a problem. You get it removed, then you live
till you're one hundred. I feel horrible. It's my son
sent me the message because I was talking about Ryan

(25:30):
Sandberg yesterday on the show. I said, you know, if
you're Ryan Sandberg, who's going through some of this, I
would imagine here there's that we're talking about that fear
and how it can be life changing, and about like Dion,
does it change the way you coach, the perspective, you
know all that, how do players treat just all those
things that go with it.

Speaker 7 (25:45):
And I brought up Ryan Sandberg.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Guys say, man, here's a guy, you know, even it's
sixty five, a player that was so good. But it
doesn't matter. All the money in the world can't can't
stop that. You may get to see better doctors or
what have you. But and here's a guy that grew
up loving. And my son sent me the message last night.
He was the one first one who told me that.
He said, my oldest boy said, you know, man, rest

(26:08):
in peace to Ryan Sandberg. And I like, oh my gosh,
I said, I was just talking about him today and
I knew he was going through some health that the
struggles had grown right, right, And for those that didn't
get to see him play, the guy was a well
he's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 7 (26:23):
Guy was a phenomenal player.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
He was.

Speaker 9 (26:25):
He was the second basement of that era. He was
really the guy that I mean. I know a lot
of people credit Ripken for being the first power hitting
middle infielder, but Sandberg I think was even before him.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
It was nothing for him to just continue to pound
balls over that Ivy wall. He was a great player
and by all accounts of phenomenal human being.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
And this is gut wrenching. He was sixty five, right.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
But when my son sent me the message, and you
never know, and I didn't know my son, you know,
I was thinking about He said, Dad, I'll never forget
Ryan Sandberg. I said, you were too young, because Sandberg
is younger. It was younger when my when I introduced
my son to him. Then my son is now. And
my son pointed that out. It's like how fast time
flies and how much to cherish it. And he said, Dad,

(27:12):
I'll never forget him because you got me that book
about him and about and I remember getting him a book.
But you never know when you're selling all these years later.
We haven't talked about Ryan Sandberg for a long time,
and he's a big baseball fan. My son is, he said,
but I'll never forget Ryan Sanberg because what I read
about him when I was growing up. And I'm like,
that's a good thing, because guys like understanding the history

(27:34):
of who this guy was. And while obviously life's far
more important than baseball, but the thrills that Ryan Sandberg
gave us on the field were they'll never be replaced.
We just wanted more of him. And at sixty five,
that's way too young. So guys, and this isn't it.
Like I said, it's not a PSA, but go get
your PSA, get it checked, and get it done. Because

(27:54):
of all the things we can't control, you can get
out in front of that. And while let it be
a lesson and that's one of those you're like, guys,
are our egos getting the way? Hell, I don't want
to go to a doctor.

Speaker 10 (28:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
My old man was like that, get a big old
gash on their car to find, yeah, twenty five stitches
in your arm. But they put a band aid on
an old school right, And it's like with this going
in there it's like, oh, I got to go through
you know, whenever you think it's like I'm comfortable to
talk about and you know, you're thinking about how how
you find out about your process, like oh gosh, we
joke about that stuff until this, and I just I'm

(28:28):
sure there's a lot of morning going on in chicagoing
around the baseball world. But a good guy. And it's
it's sad because hell, we've had to say this about
too many people of it the last you know, as
far as far as better rough people. Though, yeah, it's
been a it's been a tough couple of weeks. And
you know, to his family and that sixty five and
I'm sure that when you were pronounced cancer, like my

(28:50):
guy Wade box has been going through it. Boxsy had
been going through it and he was pronounced, he've got
to ring the bell. And I'm sure when Boggsy sees
this about science Sandberg, who he thanked through this as well,
prostate that the wades. You know, there's always that fear
is will to come back and my cancer free will
to stay there and you lean on people who've the experiences, right,
so prayers for him that it stays away. But I'm

(29:12):
sure that's something that the people that have go through
it every day want to make sure when they go
back and get their numbers and that everything's okay.

Speaker 9 (29:17):
Jason Stark pointed that out because obviously it was induction
weekend up in Cooperstown, that it was pretty much known
that it was going to come any day.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
And that he wasn't starting, Yeah, because it had spread, unfortunately,
and that's what you're trying to prevent. But you know,
Wade Bogs, there's perspective changes, and I know, you know
Bogs and Sandberg, he was a close eye and Bogs
he had admitted, you know, admitted it. But ringing that
Bell's got to be a great relief. But also I'm
sure he's struggling today knowing that passed away from the

(29:46):
same thing that right now Wades cancer free from.

Speaker 9 (29:49):
And I did see that last night on Twitter that
Bogs did get emotional when he was talking about Sandberg
because they both went in the same.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Year exactly right, well five and suffering from the same disease. Sure,
this is the same ailment and one took a life.
And you know, Bog's got the great news over the
last couple of months that he got to ring that
bell and hopefully it stays that way and he can
go on the rest of his life and be okay.

Speaker 7 (30:10):
But get it checked.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
And to Ryan Sandberg's family and thanks for the thrills,
because boy was he fun to watch.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
That was my childhood.

Speaker 9 (30:17):
Steve bouchell Over at third, Seawan Dunston at short, Sandberg
at second, Grace at first, Rick Wilkins catching.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
And not bearing the lead too. Yeah, I wonder how
Grace he feels. I'm sure that it's tough on all
of Oh yeah, Grace.

Speaker 7 (30:29):
One thing about it.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
You mentioned Sean Dunston For people that didn't get to
watch him, I'm try to add a little light to
this situation. Great middle dfield, by the way, all the
way around, they were really and Bouchelle was underrated.

Speaker 7 (30:38):
Who's you know.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
He was a solid player, and then obviously we knew
Grace could hit. And a great impersonator too, one of
the all type great personalities.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
A wild car.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, he's phenomenal. But you remember Carlos Kraa's arm. Oh yeah, now,
Malta to take that and I'll raise you about three
miles or four miles an hour. Sean Dunstan if he
would have pitched, would have thrown a one hundred and eight.
And so I was just thinking about all the different
personalities in that infield. He'd wait and throw the ball
over there, and I was thinking, I've never asked Mark Gracis,

(31:08):
but I like to was that, like, you know, it's
like a catcher catching one hundred and four. It's like
like coming over there when he's bustling, or if you're
he's in the go go to his right in the
hole and has to make that quick throw to Sandberg.
I'm sure Sandberg thought, I gotta pad this glove up.
This is ridiculous. So, uh, those were the days and
you had, you know, even pre that calin Kingman and

(31:28):
all the great players that have gone through Chicago and
the great moments at Wrigley Field, and Sandberg was right
in the middle of him for a long time.

Speaker 9 (31:35):
Plus you got Harry Carey and Stone, Pony, Steve Stone.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Oh unbelievad Hey, everybody Sandberg spelled backwards is grabbing ass
Sandberg grabbing. Yeah. It's it's close. I mean, and I
think that you should hear like when Grace does hey.
I mean, it is classic. But Jee Jody Davis, another

(32:02):
Harry Carey favorite. But I'm sure we'll be doing a
lot of you know, a lot of giving a lot
of love and doing a lot of impersonations. And I'm
sure Sandberg is smiling all the way knowing. Man, he
knows he's loved. But when you see this and another message,
tell him, I know this sounds so cheesy, and you
think about a lot. We don't need to wait to
celebrate somebody why they're dead. It's okay to celebrate them,

(32:24):
whether you like them or their politics or they It's
okay to celebrate them while they're alive so they can
actually hear it. That ain't a bad thing. It's okay.
We don't just have to honor them while they're going.
We can honor them as good people aside from their
career when they're alive. That's a novel concept. And if
there's no lesson learned while we all get frustrated with

(32:45):
what's going on, humanity is important. And I saw comments
about like Dion on Twitter when this was going through.
You know, people will still make comments about recruiting and
his team. You know, they all like the horrific stuff.
People make comments when kids drown because of politics, right,
and it's just craziness. You know, there's got to be
a sense of humanity, man, because some families waking up today,

(33:06):
meaning the Sandbergs and anybody close and I don't know how
many kids Ryan Ryan Sandberg has, but they're waking up
today and suffering. So it's and Dion's probably thinking he's
got a new lease on life, right, and the perspective
of coaching, so well, it sounded like yesterday, Yes, it's okay.
Well that's that Come to Jesus. When somebody tells you, hey, man,
fill out a will, You're like, excuse me, yeah, put

(33:30):
get get a trust and will fill it out. You're
like oof.

Speaker 7 (33:33):
And then you start.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Then you start to take You start to gather and
start to take inventory of your life. And even when
it's somebody close to you. Hell, when my dad was
dying that night, you start to take inventory. My pops
is only going to be sixty seven, and you're like
uh uh you know, so it's it's it's gut wrenching.
So it's okay, no matter what our opinion is to somebody,

(33:55):
it's okay to have some a sense of compassion and humanity.
For somebody's going through it, and we don't have to
wait till they die to honor them. And I think
it's important.

Speaker 7 (34:02):
I do.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Wow, I get emotional about that stuff because you know, well,
I wish I had another day with my dad, and
I'm sure the Sandberg family is going to wish the
same thing at least.

Speaker 7 (34:12):
And I know this is gonna sound.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
My brother said this at my dad's funeral when we
were in the church and people were there before we
took him to the gravesite. My brother said, you know what,
And he's a really eloquent speaker because he does it
all over the country, and he said, you know, I
never thought I'd be grateful for a terminal disease. And

(34:34):
at first You're like, where's he going with this? And
then he hit the next thing. He said, the last
nine months we got to we got to say bye
to my dad. And I'm sure the Sandbergs. While it's
never easy, there are people that eight year old kid

(34:54):
in a flood, but those parents didn't say by to
their kid. You're not supposed to bury your kid in
this case. You know, you start to think and go
through it, it's like, good gracious man, the one thing
about it. I'm sure you get to a point where
families kind of know my dad the last week and
a half was in hospice, and it's like the time
is near and or last whatever it was, two and

(35:15):
a half, three weeks, whatever it was, and you get
to say bye, you know, even though you don't want to.
It's hard, but there's people who don't get to say
by because somebody gets in an accident or what have you.
So and in my brain it made perfect sense. So
instead of just and even though we were close with
my dad and loved him and told him, you still say, well,
am I telling him enough? Do I talk enough that
I get all the story? Does he know? Of course

(35:38):
he knows, but does he know how much you love him?
So it's it's important. So if nothing else, if there's
any thing you can say I'm grateful for in death,
is that you get to spend quality time down the
stretch with somebody that you got to say goodbye to,
even though saying goodbye sucks.

Speaker 9 (35:55):
It's like Ed O'Neil on Modern Family, it's a clip
that makes it rounds now that you know. Obviously, as
you get older in life, it resonates with you, yep.

Speaker 7 (36:04):
Is your mortality for sure?

Speaker 9 (36:06):
Well, talking about his dad of going, you know, he
knew I loved him right, like he had to know.
And that's one of those that, like, you know, you
think about it and immediately, if mom or Dad are
still there, you pick.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Up the phone and you're like, hey, hey, good I
said the same thing. Y'all know, my dad is my hero,
my best friend. I mean it was here was my
dad first Makedov's sake. I didn't call him Richard. He
was my pop. So he was my best friend. I
knew that the line, But everything I did, I wanted
to make sure that my parents were proud of my dad.
And you're exactly right. You're like and even I asked him,

(36:39):
he said, man, you do know right Dad? Of course
I do. I'll never forget what he said to me.
Like a day before he died, he goes, I was
laying in the I was sitting in his bed at hospice,
and he looked at me and he goes, I can't believe it. See,
my dad wasn't an overly emotional guy. You know, nine
kids in his family, he was the youngest. He knew
his dad loved him. But they didn't say it much right, right,

(37:00):
And I'll never forget the first time normally when I
called my dad, and I know we got to go
to break but I called my dad. You know, when
I called my mom. We always I can call before
a game. I'd always call him the night before a
game and I'd say, hey, no and they'd be there
the next day. But just was just a routine. And
I said, make sure you tell Dad I love him,
you know, instead talked to my dad. Dad talked to
my Hey, mom, make sure I tell Dad I love him, Mom,

(37:20):
I love you. You know the boxing I'll never forget.
At UCLA at the end, it's college winding down and
my dad came in the locker room after the game
and my college carewer is winding down and it had
blown out my knee, and he goes, right, I'll never forget,
he goes, I love your son. I mean I was
twenty years old, twenty one years old, and I knew

(37:41):
he loved me, and he'd said it before, but it
was never you know, was always through some and he
said it, but I always knew it. So I even
I mean, you know, you think, well he does know, right,
But even then you're always going to ask the question.
To this day, I'm thinking, I pray he knew everything,
how grateful and I told him. But you're like, so
tell him. It's okay. We're giving getting off the beaten

(38:01):
path here, but it's important because I see this stuff
and I'm like, man, am I doing enough to make
sure my kids and my friends know?

Speaker 7 (38:09):
It's important?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
And I'm sure there's people in Ryan Sandbrigg's life that
are like, I know, my dad knows, or my husband knows.
I pray knows.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
And they know.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
But even then it's okay to tell them to the
point where you drive them crazy. Yeah, And I drive
my kids crazy with it. They know, but they don't
get it. They don't get to go away without me
saying it and letting them know. So, uh, it's a
bummer for Ryan Sandburg. We see too much of this
in sixty five. That's way too early, especially when you
start to see your own mortality. It's a bummer.

Speaker 7 (38:39):
I fall short of that at times too, man, we
all do.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
But it's it's easy to Yeah, it's easy to get
caught up in it, no doubt, but cherish it if
you got them, they say, smoke them if you got them,
If you got them, tell them and make sure they know.

Speaker 7 (38:52):
For sure, for sure.

Speaker 9 (38:53):
But anyway, r ip Ryan Sandberg and you mentioned a
good positive on Sanders to to uh, you know, get
the news we got yesterday that he's on the right
path health wise there.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
But we can.

Speaker 9 (39:06):
Continue talking to astros seon one three two one two
five seven ninety is the number to get in seveone
three two one two five seven ninety is Sean Salisbury
Show here on a Tuesday Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
You're back.

Speaker 9 (39:20):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show. Get back at it,
go back home and you do what you did last night?
What gives a's come on?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Man?

Speaker 9 (39:29):
But anyway, they lose three to one two Seattle. So
now Seattle three games back and then uh, at least
the Angels helping us out. Former former astro Ray Montgomery
is the interim manager for them right now, and they're saying, hey, no,
we can play spoiler.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
We can do that for you.

Speaker 7 (39:43):
I wonder how Hope Wash his health is okay? Ron Wash.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
You know what I'm saying, I one of another great
baseball man, love him and I hope he's hope he's
his baseball. Yeah, whose is it? Yeah, don't you love him?
He's the best. He is one of my favorite dude.
Yeah you when you were Atlanta. I had a Washington
dude when I was in Dallas, when he was at
the Rangers manager when they're having some great runs. Let
me tell you what the guy was. Well, everybody holds

(40:09):
it and baseball people in the baseball world think he
freaking hung the moon. He's like old school with him.
He could talk a little trash. He's got that you
could picture wash back in the day. And I don't
know if he does that, but popping out a grit,
I still think he's good popping a grit and having
some fun and playing old school baseball.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
I freaking love him.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
So that's another guy you're wishing on his health and uh,
and good on the angels that are that are competing
at least when they're going through this.

Speaker 9 (40:31):
It was known at spring training that if you got
there before the sun came up and you think, oh,
I'm the first one here, they said that you would
see an orange ember either off in the distance or
close enough to you that you'd be like, there he
is washes here. Yeah, there he is one of those guys.
Wife loved going to the ballpark and just loves baseball.
So let's hope his health gets right quickly. Those infield

(40:52):
drills that you see sometimes that the Astros are doing
during batting practice, you know he started that.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
That's a wash thing. Yes, yeah, he's been. It was
well reputation for that as well. So great, great, great
old school baseball. And by the way, Tripoli another great cut.
That's America. I think if we go back and look,
that's America, I'm gonna say, and this is you know
how songs you don't.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
Know why they impact you. It's weird summer.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I'm gonna say, nineteen seventy five. You hit that Google
machine for me real quickly. I know, we gotta go
to break summer seventy five. I was in Phoenix, Arizona,
growing up, playing Little League baseball with my best friend
in school, also team. I gotta believe it's that seventy
four to seventy five because all we did was listen
to that song all summer long. Now, am I right
in seventy five or did I get this wrong somewhere

(41:37):
in the mid seventies. Yeah, summer in nineteen seventy five
and I have a looked at that. That's so weird, America,
who's looking up? You can do magic. I can remember.
I can remember. I don't know if it's weird, but
I was in seventy five. I can remember me and
my buddy playing ball and waking up. You know, we
used staying out at each other's house when you over
the summertime. Oh yeah, and this song was released and

(41:59):
I'll never forget it because we listened to it like
four thousand times at when when we were playing Little
League baseball. And then when that call comes up, I
can tell you that cut and where I was the
first time I heard it, and that's like four years.

Speaker 7 (42:11):
Ago when I was twelve.

Speaker 9 (42:12):
You know, you can do that, right, so America, And
that's probably I mean you growing up in southern California.
That's wolf Man Jack.

Speaker 7 (42:20):
You can do magic.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Rick D's to follow, right, these nuts and Rick D's
see people are saying, Okay, Sean was the dse nuts joke.

Speaker 7 (42:28):
Rick D's is one of the five Weekend Top forty.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
One of the five mode when it comes to music jocks,
maybe an all time Hall of Fame guy. Right, you
think of Casey case I mean you think of you know,
you think a wolfman Jack, you think we know the guys.
But Rick DS is in that team picture, so yeah, man,
and Delilah is always going to be in the in
the in the in the late night team.

Speaker 7 (42:50):
Picture drive and you're like, she's still there.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Oh yeah, I know they across the hall with yeah
eight minimal affiliates too.

Speaker 7 (42:56):
Anybody wants to listen to.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Delilah tell somebody, and that voice is comforting. You know.
I could picture her kids saying, man, Mom, we need that.
You know what I'm saying. Awesome, So yeah, it's weird
the things we remember. Nineteen I remember it, dude. I
can tell you where we were the first time I
heard that song, but I can't tell you the interest
the touchdown pass I threw because it was probably tipped
and we got lucky on it. But I can sure

(43:18):
as he'll tell you what you can do. Magic did
for my baseball game at twelve years old. Craziness, man, Now, weird,
it's the things you remember. Yeah, that's for sure, no doubt.

Speaker 9 (43:26):
But with the Astros trade deadline a couple of days away,
might there be a roadmap for how they're going to
go about their business.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
They better put this tempo up, Dan, they better pick
the temple up. They're getting paid to produce and at
the plate, they've got to do better.

Speaker 9 (43:40):
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Speaker 9 (44:26):
And Astros who lost two to one last night to
the Nationals. That's now five straight losses. Good news though,
Jeremy Paaniam he's gonna be back on the field tonight
with Triple A Sugarland and the Texans gonna get back
out on the practice field this morning for training camp.
Padded practice yesterday too, So a few things from that.
We'll get into some Texans as the show goes along too.

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But seven one three, two one two five, seven ninety
is the number to get in Andy's gonna get us
going this morning on the phone lines.

Speaker 7 (44:53):
Andy, good morning, Hey Sean.

Speaker 12 (44:56):
You know, I don't know what the fans should expect.
I mean, we've if you take away triple A and
double A and let's just talk seconds and third stringers.

Speaker 10 (45:10):
At any at any game.

Speaker 12 (45:12):
Lately, we've had at least three third streamer stringers starting.

Speaker 10 (45:17):
Because you had, uh, you had.

Speaker 12 (45:23):
Three backups that are own injured reserve. Who was the
third basement that looked like Zach Brown?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Was that Galermo? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (45:32):
Yeah, he got hurt, Boom, So that means a third
a third stringer came up to replace them. You had
Melton get hurt, That means a third stringer came in
replace them.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
And who is the lanky.

Speaker 12 (45:45):
Outfielder do Zenzo.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
So that's three. At any time in the.

Speaker 12 (45:51):
Last two or three weeks when Myers went out, we've
had three third stringers starting and two backup. Cartino and Duba,
five year starters from opening day are out, I mean
and then and not even counting seven starting pitchers for
the last two years, and Dubin is out one of

(46:15):
your decent relievers in the bull in a bullpen, I mean, hell,
it's amazing that where they are right now in first place.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I would and uh Andy, thanks brother. He makes a
great point on it's like anything you start to when
the when the backup to the to the starter gets
hurt in the backup to the backup or call them up.
The fact that they're three games in front of first place.
We've already said it, and it's it's it's nothing short
of hard to hard to get your head around. It

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really is. But with all that being said, we expect
I don't know is that I'm sure that people with
a three game lead in any division are like, okay,
happy and I I know we're all happy that they're here.
But when you look at the big picture, the big
picture for Astros fans is no longer just be a
playoff team. They are now at the point they've been
one of the dominant teams in baseball. That's not enough.

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Now it looks good at the end, we say, won
the division again and all, but it's not enough for
them and their expectations. I wouldn't think, just by the way,
when we interview Steve Sparks or or Dana Brown, this
France and fans. That's why when people say spoiled, well, spoiled, yeah,
but every fan base is spoiled when your team goes
on a run and then the expectations raised. I'd rather
have it that way than well, we expect a seventy

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five win team. So it's important and it makes a
good point about personnel. What did you expect, well, not
to be a three game or a seven game or
a five game lead with all these injury No, of
course we didn't. But now that you got it, you're like, well,
it's what do they say? Next man up? And it's
an overused term, but they're gonna do it. And they've
been fortunate that sometimes they've had a great pitching day,

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they've got just enough runs and they were able to
win two to one instead of lose to to one,
and then they'll get that twelve run game. Not enough
of those this year, so at some point in time
it's hard you rint that space. It's hard to own
it when you got a Rosha's got eighteen to twenty
dudes hurt, and a lot of them are depth at
pitching and your best players in the field. The pain

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is the Jordan Alvarez is I mean, it's difficult and
you lost Bregman and Tucker, who are both having great
years where they are, so I mean it's a difficult
thing to overcome, and they are, but it's there's still
not above criticism or the expectations are. When he guy
gets twelve strikeouts to go six ays, you've got to
produce more, period.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
And they didn't at the plate. And that's the thing.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
I mean mean thirteen games, about five hundred and three
games in front of the Mariners.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
It's not lost on me. That's that's a fine respect.

Speaker 9 (48:50):
But I mean it's again, even though he's been able
to scatter a couple of hits in this series, Josel
Twov's not being good. And I mean, you know how
I feel about Christian Walker and Jiner Diaz, two other
guys that you're supposed to count on that are supposed
to be guys that are supposed to do stuff for you.

Speaker 7 (49:06):
And last night it looked like Walker had them on
the right path to do that.

Speaker 9 (49:10):
Then you get a ground into a double play, and
then you get a strikeout which shouldn't have been a strikeout.
But that's neither here nor there. But I don't count
on Cooper Hummel. He's given me a daily basis, right,
I don't count on Zach Short and I mean you
know that's the thing too, is oh well that should
have been a ball he gets on base. Zach Short's

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been a sub two hundred hitter throughout his career. There's
a reason why he's bounced around Taylor Tremell to some degree.
Same deal there. I'm not upset with those guys. Some
of those guys aren't even supposed to be factoring at
all on this team.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Well, they're not supposed to be here, Dan that they're
just not and they're getting I mean welcome. I mean, now,
some have exceeded, have done a hell of a job,
but we talk about putting a rookie quarterback in there.
Where you put some people in it can be a
little overwhelmed, and quite frankly, have actually done a hell
of a job at times. The problem is you haven't
had the whole group doing that consistently throughout the year.

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They've been able to get great pitching one day and
then mix in some hitting, but the consistency of run
production of at the plate. Put it this way, when
good pitching comes to town, while they know the Astros
are capable it's not like you used to be, whereby
you get down to the eighth guy in the lineup
and you're like, this is exhausting.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
It's Matt, I can't get through.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I mean every single now fully healthy lineup, you're saying,
you got Cam Smith hitting ninth and Jake Myers hitting eighth.
In the healthy world, You're like, Okay, now that's exhausting
for pitching. But right now the middle of the lineup
doesn't scare you yet. But you know there's potential. You
know a couple of players that do. But you pitch
around them and you say, man, if we post four runs,

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we're winning. That's got to be the way somebody's feeling.
And so while it's recognized the goodness that they've had,
the reality is fans should have high expectations and just
winning a division will not be enough, regardless of the injuries,
because frankly, this team's never made excuses, and fan base
hays anither there's no reason to make them.

Speaker 7 (51:05):
It's just part and parcel to what you do. Is
they major.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Injuries happen, and the teams that can handle it a
little better and that then they've handled it phenomenal. This
year it's not can they handle it to the end
of the season meaning regular season, This is can they
handle it to there? Get in and then do they
have enough juice to handle it till November? And right
now the way they're hitting, good pitching is gonna is

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gonna do just what frombur and Hunter Brown, and they
will mow you down and you should win a lot
of games when you're giving up two runs.

Speaker 7 (51:40):
Mid does not win, no, And that's what. Yeah, I
mean those three guys.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Mid gets you to a point, but mid doesn't break
through a ceiling.

Speaker 9 (51:46):
But I mean, it's exactly what we talked about the
Cleveland series, the A's series, whatever it is. Who hurts
you in those series. The guys that are supposed to
hurt you. Who has hurt you with this Astros team, nobody. Well,
you've still at least got three eyes that are supposed
to be able to hurt you at the plate.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
They haven't done it. You know, it's crazy. And the
guys who have hurt you, well, three of them are hurt.
No four of them.

Speaker 7 (52:10):
I'm talking about the past.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Jordan struggled early in the season, but Paradis, Myers and
Paina all hurt the middle of the lineup has not
has not hurt enough people this year with their bats
and the inconsistency at the top of it. At times
they've you know, lead off cams and leadoff, then he's
hitting six and Altuve was in Leo. Now he's hitting second,
and then he's hitting third, and then you're gonna put
I mean, it's it's They've had a lot, a lot

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of different lineups, so yes, a lot of respect, but
the guys that are supposed to dominate you have not.
The players who have dominated have been the best are
the ones that we were hoping had to turn around
you like a Painya, like a Myers. We didn't know
what to expect from Paradis, but some consistency, and he
was He's been very good. But you're not getting the

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wow factor moments from the guys on a regular basis
that you paid to do that. They're either hurt or
they're they're underproducing at the plate for who we expect,
and that's got to fix.

Speaker 7 (53:06):
That's how to get fixed. I mean, look it raised.

Speaker 9 (53:08):
Expectations are there for a reason, and it's also i
mean expectations for those guys and it's just not being met. Whatsoever.
And that's why you see yourself. Now what one out
of your last nine at home is what this team
has been.

Speaker 7 (53:23):
So the road trips not coulda be easy?

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Dan, No, I mean you got to go to Fenway
and then you got to go do they get in
Toronto on this trip?

Speaker 7 (53:31):
Miami?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Miami?

Speaker 9 (53:32):
There you can go Fenway down to Miami back up
to New York. There you go to play the Yankees
right now? Yeah, So two of those three are teams
that are both in the wild card hunt chase in Toronto,
and it won't be easy to play them where you're
playing them, and I'd hate to go on the road.
There's no way Washington can sweep this series, right, There's
no way, correct.

Speaker 7 (53:53):
I mean, the way things have been going, I don't
write anything off.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
No, it's you gotta be a little concerned because I've
don't like the shrinking lead and still not being healthy.
Although it appears the Calvary's coming, but will the Cavalry
play like they did when they were dressed in uniform,
ready to go fresh and and hoping on their horses.
We got to make sure that that's who they are
when they do get back. Meaning the pain is of

(54:17):
the world. You're bogeying the easy holes right now, and
that hurts you. Part fives, you make a six, buddy,
you don't win tournament. As matter of fact, you don't
make the cut. That's the way it's trending right now
for the shows. Hopefully they got time to turn it around.
Brian and Katie, see you right there. We'll get you
involved in the conversation.

Speaker 9 (54:31):
You want to join them seven one three, two one
two five, seven ninety at least with the Astros not
getting what we want? What about personally, sometimes you don't
get what you want. We'll discuss that here. It is
a Shawn Salisbury Show on a Tuesday, Sports Talk seven ninety, proudly.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
And broadcasting from the most hated city in baseball, Houston,
rides with the Shawn Salisbury Show.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
On Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
All right, Sean, what are you hearing out there now?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
The Salisbury stakeouts? Salsbury takeout on the Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 9 (55:16):
Do it this time every single morning here on the
Shawn Salisbury Show, Sports SOX seven ninety. As the Astros
two to one losers last night to the Nationals at
dyk And Park, They've now lost five straight season high
losing streak for the Shows. Jeremy Pania, though gonna make
a rehab appearance tonight for Triple A Sugarland, and Dusty
Baker gonna manage a team again, Team Dick Aragua in

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the World Baseball Classics. Some of those teams gonna be
here in Houston this coming spring. But Sean could either
get directly into the steakout here, or we could work
Bill in on the phone line here and then we'll
jump in. Let's do it, Let's do it. Yeah, we
got time to do both. So Bill wants to wait
in here. Good morning, Bill.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Sure, Hey, thanks guys. I appreciate it, and I'll get
out of your way so you can do your thing.

Speaker 13 (56:04):
But I want to do a quick follow up on
the Sandberg thing. Since I grew up east of Chicago
two hours my whole life, Sean, you were of the
same age. We grew up in that same era. To
those Houston astro fans who may not understand, to a
certain generation, Ryan Sandberg was Craig Bigio, or to a

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no current generation, it might be jose Al tuove In
that Ryan Sandberg brought Eyes back to the Cubs after
very horrible years of horrible Cubs baseball. After the Earnie
Banks Ron Sandal years of the late sixties early seventies,
there was a ten eleven year era where Cubs baseball
was just is all you could stomach. And Sandberg brought

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Cubs fans life and started it all and gave them
an icon to follow back. And so if you don't
understand or know who Ryan Sandberg was, that's what he
was to Chicago fans. And that's how I kind of
view a guy like Altuve because he brought astro eyes
to a franchise that was mired.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
In total obscurity.

Speaker 13 (57:11):
Anyway, great, great part of my childhood gone like it
is for Shawn.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
So you guys have a great show. Ay Man, Bill
appreciates brother, I appreciate you, my man. He's right, listen,
and Bill sold it great and I'll even I'm avowed
put an exclamation point behind it. Ryan Sandberg is absolutely
to Chicago and then the Iron. They're both second baseman.
What hose Al is to here, He's he's beloved. He's

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a Hall of Famer, two v's Hall of Famer, better
human being than he was a baseball player, and he's
in Cooperstown. Al Tuve better human being than a baseball player,
and the guy's a phenomenal baseball player, beloved everywhere he goes,
puts a smile on people say, that's Ryan Sandberg. That's
what you mean, because I've got a bunch of buddies
in through the travel. You did what and even as

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a guy who wasn't didn't grow up a Cubs fan
boy in my era, if you're lining up, you're starting nine.
Sandberg's you're starting second baseman. Now, I know that Robbie
Alomar is gonna add there, but he was a little
I think Robbie's a tad younger. Maybe maybe I'm wrong,
but I think he's a tad younger than that. But Sandberg,
you could make the argument that if you're lining up nine, right,
Ryan Sandberg was one of your guys and the people

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that love him and what he did, and Bill's so right,
like al Tuve being here through some difficult times and
now reaping the rewards as success, is that Ryan Sandberg
there was He added some hope, man, and every time
he went out there's capable of hitting two home runs, win,
blowing out, playing great second base and beloved so Bill
hit it. And it's even that there's no will he

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might be. He absolutely is to Chicago what al Tuv
is to Houston. Make no mistake to Bill and yours point.
Somebody had posted a comic of the Gates of Heaven.
Walter Payton was there to greet him. Hi, and you
know what, speaking of which, talk about another guy that
didn't self promote, did his thing and that people love

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died too soon. Yeah, that is a great that is
a great one. I can can't you see the Good
Lord saying Walter, you know what? Hell you walked damn
near walked on water? Would you played? And everybody loved you.
Matter of fact, Walter Peyton trained so hard that even
the greatest athletes in the world couldn't keep up with
the hill with him.

Speaker 7 (59:22):
Jerry Rice, w'll tay how hard it was.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
And then Roger Craig, who was a teammate of mine,
who played with Jerry at San Francisco, the great running back,
he'd go run it too, and he said, Sean, you
have no idea you'd be running it. And Roger Craig
was an elite trained athlete. He'd go up there. He'd say,
Jerry was on his way down and you're trying to
go up right. And then I'm sure Jerry felt that
same way about the way Walter Payton did it. So yeah,

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if you got a guy greeting you at the Pearly
gates and you're Ryan Sandberg and you're up there, I
would imagine I would imagine Steve McMichael and both Walter
Peyton are sitting there saying and the fridge, well, you
talk about too many players from one team that wasn't
that long go welcoming one of Chicago's great people and
athletes and at sixty five, what a bummer?

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
A great point by.

Speaker 9 (01:00:09):
Bill Now, I mean it's you know, just like Jordan,
the other two guys we mentioned are up there. I mean,
it's probably you can make the argument here it's Al
two V, it's JJ Watt keem oladjewe Uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
And what's the common theme about all three of those
guys aside from great players, tremendous workers, and the community
friggin loves them, difference makers other than with a bat
and a hand, a ball in their hand or or
a sack and a quarterback, all of them doing whether
it's community, whether it's shaking hands, whether it's making some
kid happy, all those things, and it's oh yeah, pretty

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good players too.

Speaker 7 (01:00:45):
So it's hard.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I mean, and you know, we use it as a
cliche sometimes, but when you can look at a guy
and say, man, I was so fortunate to watch them play,
or play as a teammate with them, or be a
fan of theirs, and then you meet them and they
don't disappoint and they're even better than what you saw
the production on the field. I mean, I've been fortunate.
I got teammates like that. You're like, man, what a
great player. But then you sit down with him and

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you're saying, you forget that they were a great player
because you're so immersed in them. If people you just
named three in Chicago's the other three that we just
named are four same beloved and most of the beloved
isn't just because they can play a sport better than most.

Speaker 9 (01:01:24):
Usually if you have the sport is the final part,
then you've probably done it the right way.

Speaker 7 (01:01:29):
Yeah, if you're oh, by the way and oh yeah,
man out, oh man, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
A Hall of Fame player, yeah, and a hell of
a ball yeah, Ryan said, oh yeah, hell of a
ball player. With everything. When that's the the add on,
that's the addendum to the contract, You're like, Oh, that
kid must do that, that guy must have lived right.
And unfortunately, sometimes I don't know why bad things happen
to good people. I just don't, and I don't think
any of us do. But I do know that when

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you're that good, it just tells me, if you're a
god fearing person, that the Good Lord said he needed
you more than the rest of us did. And that's
the only way I can look at it. To stay
sane when it comes to losing people that you care
about is like, I guess somebody needed it more. It's
like when you give ten bucks away to somebody who
needs it more than you in a much bigger way
at some point in time. If you're a god fearing person,

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the only way that you can get out of your
own head is like, you know what they needed more
than we did, which is hard to accept. And I
had tried to accept it with my dad that the
Good Lord needed my pops sitting next to him, and
I'm sure they feel that same way about Ryan Sandberg. Tough,
tough loss we've had, We've we've been doing this way
too often lately.

Speaker 9 (01:02:32):
Yeah, Like I said, I mean we had it. We
had a rough week for it, and I mean it's just,
you know, it's one of those things that is you
get older. I mean, it's just the unfortunate truth is
you get to a point where you say goodbye more
than you say hello.

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
Did you get to your say to your steak out? No,
but it's gonna fit right in perfect with what we're
about to talk. Yeah, Ryan Sandberg deserves all the love
we can.

Speaker 9 (01:02:52):
Give him, for sure, no doubt, no, absolutely, But it
is a Sean Salisbury show here on Tuesday Sports Talk
seven ninety. And you know, I was on the road
this weekend and it's one of those age old You've
got the phone in front of you. You know, you're
you're trying to figure out, Hey, where's a good place
to eat? If you don't just want to do throw
a bag of burgers at everybody in the car. I
could have really used jbar and Barbecue, you know, somewhere

(01:03:14):
in Louisiana or Mississippi. I really could have used some
of that persons.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
So hold out hope maybe that they'll grow it along
the Robert Tritt Jones trail, right Jbarn Barbecue dot com.
You don't need reservations, so you don't even need the
phone number twenty two to one. Leland. I cheated on
him this past weekend. Yeah, I did, but it was
closer to home, right. It was just kind of going
and say, where do you want to eat? And so
I went to a play I'll leave it out good
if it's fine. Good place. I mean it was the
ice was good place. But I did so I you know,

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flirted with it just because it was close to my place.
And while good, I walked out of there saying, there's
another one I can check off the list that doesn't compete,
and that's not and and they're pretty damn good where
I was. It's jbar and Barbecue, buddy. It's whether it's
you got to go go into the convention center, the
dyke and park to toads. I don't care what you're doing.
It's a great place to go pre and post. But

(01:04:01):
it's also that place, like you said, you're out of
the state and you're saying, could I use this place
just to go over and grab myself some of that
jalapeno cheddar sausage or some of that brisket, and I
tried it all, and I'm into the comparison. Well, the
only way you can know about the competition is if
you go to the competition, and guess what, there's not
a lot of competition. It's the best barbecue in this town.

(01:04:22):
And it's the best facility indoor outdoor. It's awesome. You
smell it as soon as you walk through the door.

Speaker 9 (01:04:26):
You see Hoffee right there, or rash is back in
the pit room making everything happen. You got the brisket,
you got the jolapeno cheddar sausage, you got the sides.
You also have the brisket burger, maybe even some pretzel
bites with some of that cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Think about how awesome it's going to be outside in
the fall, sitting out there on that You got the
parking lot, sitting there watching games on TV and it's
coming or right now when you're watching baseball, And think
about this. If I told you somebody in their mid
nineties is doing more than we are, and that's mister Toomey,
the owner who celebrated the birthday last Friday, You're like, oh,
that adds some perspective. I better get the work and

(01:05:00):
still grinding for us at the best barbecue place around
Jabarn Barbecue.

Speaker 9 (01:05:04):
Work in quality that you can taste whenever you go
to Jbarm Barbecue. As Shawn has told you, event no event,
never a bad time to head over to Jbarm Barbecue
right there on Leland Street. Tons of parking over there.
The food is great and the bar it is fantastic,
and you've got the beer garden outside. You got it
all right over there. Jbarm Barbecue right there in Edo.

(01:05:25):
Stop on in today jbar m Barbecue Live. The Sean
Salisbury Show continued. You know, we haven't really gotten into
much this morning is the trade deadline. We'll talk that
much more with Aj Prizenski voul Territory TV, former Major leaguer.
He's going to join us here in about an hour

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and a half. But it's what to expect from the
Astros when it comes to the trade deadline. And we
heard what Dana Brown said the other day and it
leads me to believe that there's one of two paths
that the Astros will go when it comes to the
trade deadline. One is that you do get a splash
deal made. I mean, maybe that is Willie Castro and

(01:06:07):
some people out there have wondered, Oh, come on, is
that really a splash deal. Well, no, he's a good
middle of the order bat that would improve your offense dramatically,
especially without having East Soak Parretis around. And you hope
to get Jeremy Pania back here shortly, and you hope
that you are able to get some of the guys
that you count on in this team to be able
to turn this offense around, because this offense has been futured.

(01:06:29):
This offense has been awful for the better part of
the last five games, and you even saw a little
bit of that out in Arizona, aside from a couple
of three in this case Bryce Matthews home runs. Those
were nice to see, but overall, you've needed to be
able to upgrade this group. And the other part of it, too,
is I go back to the experience back in twenty

(01:06:52):
twenty one where Dana Brown was and that was with
the Atlanta Braves, and that was a team that had
lost Ronald Acunya Junior for the entire season with the
torn acl and you're thinking to yourself, all right, what
can they really add in order to be able to
get back into contention, because remember that was a team
that for the better part of the season was under
five hundred until August, and then they played their best

(01:07:15):
baseball in August, September, October. But it was small moves
sean that they made, which almost makes me wonder if
that's the way that Dana Brown is gonna go with
this thing, is trying to piece this thing together. Almost
in the aggregate of you add a decent enough left
handed bat that's not gonna cost you much. You add
maybe a reliever in there that's able to take some

(01:07:37):
pressure off the guys there in the middle of the
bullpen that you've been asking to throw a lot of innings,
especially lately, And maybe it's gonna be Lancema Colors for
me that you would put him out there.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
I wouldn't run him out to start right now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
I mean, well, considering I'm talking about if Arraghetti and
Javier back, right, I mean, well, do you trust that
he's one of your three or four best starters right now?

Speaker 13 (01:08:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Do I think he's got potential, to be sure, but
right now, in short stints, that may be the place
for him for now. So didn't mean interrupt, but that's
that's where I'm going and I'll ask you this while
you're talking about some of these You know, a bat,
a left handed bat, e is a middle of the
road move enough. Is this team deep enough for it
to be just kind of a piece it together as

(01:08:26):
opposed to get me a bopper?

Speaker 9 (01:08:28):
That's where I think the aggregate comes in, because I mean, again,
that season, you had Jock Peterson, who comes in and
makes an immediate impact for your team right handed bat.
You went out and got Adam Duval and then the
guy who was the LCSMVP for you, who has not
sniffed being anywhere close to a competitive player in the league,
and Eddie Rosario. But at least for those few games,

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you got enough out that he needed and he was
able to help you win. And though all of those
guys factored in, Astros fans remember that that's where the
connection to all of this because we saw it in
the World Series. It was every single one of those
guys who stepped up for that team. And you're just like,
my god, how do they keep finding these guys? And
it's gotten me even wondering. As I was talking with
some you know, Atlanta friends of mine when I was

(01:09:11):
out there a couple of weeks ago, I said, everybody
wants to give Alex Santoppolo's credit. And you see that
the way that the Astros are built. What if it
was Dana Brown all along there, what if he was
the guy that was this is the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Oh yeah, there's no doubt that, because that's I mean,
his eye is different than all of ours when it
comes today, it just is, that's it. And now he's
and he's made some hell of fied moves to keep
this thing going as a gentle manager. Listen, there's a
path those guys usually take, and he's taking it. He
learned the baseball way. He didn't walk off of campus
at twenty five and all of a sudden jumping into
general manager's role. Right, He's gone through the baseball world

(01:09:46):
as a player, as a scout, as a you know,
a guy who who understands talent and development and the
rest of it, and now is a GM making you know,
decisions on players and money and the rest of it,
and and is quick to make sure he gives others
credit in this organization.

Speaker 7 (01:10:02):
But yeah, well there's no doubt. Well you know who's
It's like anything.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
But sometimes the quarterback gets the credit, but the center
is the MVP up making sure he's protected. Same thing
here in this case. I trust that Dana Brown is
going to get you the players that make a difference.
The question from my vantage point is will we know
going Is it gonna be when the trade deadline hiss
are saying, damn, that's the one?

Speaker 7 (01:10:25):
Or is it the I hope that's the one?

Speaker 9 (01:10:27):
Well, I mean, and that's what makes me wonder if
his comment about trading with contending teams, if that's where
he's trending towards with this, because you're not going to
get somebody that's an impact player for a contending team
right now, there'd be zero point for them to make
that trade seem to deal with you. But you might
get a guy that's a platoon player for them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
I mean, we can't get Nick Kurtz now not coming
even though they're not a contending team. Who we're not
gonna get him? No, okay, well you're not gonna you're
not gonna don't have to play against him anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:10:57):
Junior Camonaro from from the you know Tampa Bay get him?

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
No, No, that's not you could use that position though,
couldn't Well, well, for sure, you could absolutely so, I,
uh yeah, I and and he may very well be
working on that. And Dan, I don't know if you'd
heard if you listen to the interview because of your
trip and vacation and got away from it a little bit,
are you Dana? And I had asked, I said, is

(01:11:21):
is uh? Last Wednesday? I had said, is rental in play?
He said, everything's in play? So you know the Kakuchi thing,
You thought, well, is it? What are you gonna more?
And if they do get a rental like Suarez, doesn't
that tell you they believe they're a World Series team
because you're gonna have to part. It's gonna sting if
you get a guy like that, So that'll tell you

(01:11:43):
how their mindset is and how they're feeling about the answers.
Because a rental better when we're real the impact, you
bet we better all feel it because you're not renting
to get to the playoffs. You're gonna make the playoffs.
In my opinion anyway, That's the way I feel. The
question is can you get through the playoffs currently? And
I think a lot of us feel like that's a

(01:12:05):
that's some thin ice that you got to you gotta
get through if and with the current lineup as it
sits right now.

Speaker 9 (01:12:10):
And it's what Sparky said with you guys yesterday, you know,
present and future, focused on the present, mind on the future,
I think was his the way that he said it.
But that would want to win now, that would be
well now, And that's exactly it. I mean, it's signaling
to your clubhouse, and especially to a clubhouse that needs
a morale boost in the worst way right now. That
absolutely would be that. So we'll see if the astros

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Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
That's beautiful out of the back because I don't know
if I love wildlife and animals. Man. So I'm going
to the grocery store about seven o'clock last night. Right,
I pull out of my complex and there's when I
say my complex, the housing area living. I'm headed towards

(01:15:11):
the grocery store to go to head and I'm in
the right lane, and the trucks in the left and
in the area right it says when it was not
far from like Jordan High School in that area, and yeah,
driving all of a sudden, the truck goes by me
and I see in front of the truck in the
left lane some wildlife in the mill street. So I
couldn't tell from where I was if it's a turtle

(01:15:32):
a rabbit right, and he couldn't tell if it was
you don't know. The truck goes and it's and goes
over the top of it truck, but didn't hit it
with its tires, and the rabbit didn't move, you know
normally they dash right, Yeah, rabbit didn't move. And I'm
in the right lane, like a truck behind to the
right is staggered. But I can see in front of him,

(01:15:53):
and he just kept going. And I went by and
saw that the rabbit was sitting up like they do
when they sit and in your backyard or what have you.
And I'm like, this is this is weird that rabbit
okay did and instead of just driving, my first thought
was and now it's gonna get hit. It scared, you know,
they freeze up, and you know, I almost feel like

(01:16:14):
they played dead. So nobody bothers him right right, But
it's in the middle of the road, and you know
how people go and h and then if he dashes
under a tire, but it was sitting up, and I'm like,
is it okay? I shove my car reverse and get
behind it, so nobody's going in that lane. And then
fortunately another car pulled up and slowed down and was
in the other lane because they.

Speaker 7 (01:16:33):
Saw me in the middle of the street.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I got my flashers on the car start to build
it behind him, thinking I'm cold and holding up traffic. Well,
I get to it and all of a sudden, it
turns its head and looks at me, and I could
see a little blood on his face and on his paw,
and it sees me and pees like a dogwood I'm
talking about, and I've never seen that from a rabbit
in the middle of the street. Yet it still hasn't moved.

(01:16:55):
And then a dude gets out and he comes up,
kind of looking an older gentleman, but he wanted to
see what was going on because my truck was big
and you can't see from behind in front of it.
And then I see it. Then it it goes into
the restaurant poops too right, and so I'm worried, and
that I'm thinking, what am I gonna do? I don't know,
and it's seven o'clock. There's no there's no as I

(01:17:17):
found out when I eventually got it and took it
to a vet, this is wildlife, but I they deserve
a chance too write, yeah, And so I took it
a bit of a vet was closed. So I'm calling
Texas Wildlife and trying to figure out and trying to
get a hold of somebody.

Speaker 7 (01:17:31):
But before that, so a guy comes over.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
And I had just stopped at my mailbox before I
left and picked up and I got a couple of
hats that I ordered that they're in a box. Other
than that, I had nothing in my truck to go.
No gloves to picked. But I go this rabbit. It
turns back, and I'm like you said, okay, and so
I might sick to my stomach because it's and I
know people rub we rabbits eat your garden, but I
wasn't thinking that right now. Yeah, So I'm holding it
up and my dumb ass I sat there and way,

(01:17:56):
go get the box, tear one off to kind of
let it in, and then the guy's over there, so
he taps it on the rear and you never know
if you're gonna get bit or what have you. But
I didn't care. And it waltz into the box. So
I'm thinking, I see blood, but the legs aren't. The
neck's not broke, the legs are moving, but it's not moving.
So I put in a box I take into the

(01:18:16):
front seat of my truck, on the floorboard by my feet,
and now I'm thinking, well, this thing's gonna get panicked.
And it's already worried and scared. And I can see
blood under its chin and below its eye, and on
the top of his head a big gash felt like
it eluded something got hit, maybe stunned, but had some
bunch of cuts like under you know when you fall

(01:18:36):
on the pavement as a kid underneath the chin, and
I'm like, dude, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm
not a vet. So I put there and now I'm
having trouble getting my foot on the gas pedal and
people and some guy drives it goes, oh, get out
of the road, do that somewhere else, and I'm like,
I wanted to catch up to him, grab him by
the nap of the neck and say, listen, I'm gonna
throw you in the middle of the road if you

(01:18:56):
don't shut up, because I like animals better i do people. Anyway,
one thing led to another and I got in there.
So I'm bending down, looking up, holding the steer wheel,
putting my hand on the gas polk I couldn't put
my foot there, and I didn't want the rabbit to
run around in the front seat of my truck. And
so I'm doing that so I can get it up
to like twenty five miles an hour, so I can
then click the the cruise control because if you got it,

(01:19:18):
attend it won't click it it will you can't get it.
So I'm doing that and I'm looking and I'm swerving,
I'm like the car. I'm like, good gracious, So finally
I got it going. Then you go up to another
stop stop light right by heb and so I make
a left and I go to the to the veterin
aian but it's closed. It closed. It's seven and I'm
just after seven. So I'm like, what am I gonna do? Dude,

(01:19:39):
I and I may be nuts. I put that box.
I go home, and I have dog. You know crate
that you can travel with your dog if you need to.
I go back. I stick it in the crate. I
get the stuff to clean up the cuts, put it
in the crate, get food, go buy lettuce.

Speaker 7 (01:19:54):
Then I go back to the grocery.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
If I take it to my house, I got in
a crate sleeping in my Lounderyom it's still there, but
we've dressed it up. The blood's gone, seems to be moving.
I felt like, maybe as it can cussed, I'm sitting
here treating it like it's a human being. It's a
wildlife rabbit, dude, that they eat the hell out of
my garden or my back flowers. Anyway, But I was

(01:20:16):
maybe I'm a whack chob stopping. You said, did you
do the right thing to let it go. Well, now
you got it, I'm gonna go home and make sure
it's okay and release it back in the wildlife where
it belongs. But I just was sick to my stomach
over a wildlife rabbit?

Speaker 7 (01:20:30):
Am I a wacko?

Speaker 14 (01:20:31):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
No, you're a good person. I mean, well, they say,
had nothing to do. I don't want to get But
it's not even like you got pat on the back.
I'm just thinking, is this normal or is this just
the wildlife? Because even when you go to the vet,
a vet was actually leaving when I went there, a
gentleman who was I said, are you a vet s or?
He was locking the door? He goes, yeah, but we're
clothed and stuff. I said, could you come over here
and look at this just so I know? And he
said yeah, and he started to saying, well, here's a
number you can call. He goes, but, man, when it

(01:20:54):
comes to wildlife, I mean, it's just like, what are
you gonna do? And I'm like, well, I can't just
chalk it up to that, man, I can't. I can't
chalk it up to that. I didn't know what to
do and I'm not and I'm thinking to myself, Sean,
you are so sensitive to these wildlife Hell, I should
have gone back and go to medical school, been a veterinarian.
But I'm sick to my gut, dude, And it's a

(01:21:16):
wildlife rabbit. And but I finally found one that wasn't
dead in the street, and they think, well, how can
we And I'm hoping. I mean it's moving around, and
put lettuce and went and bought carrots for it, you know,
like like bugs bunny is gonna come out of my
damn thing. And it was I'm just thinking to myself,
should I have just let it go? But then I
was worried that if I just put it on the grass,

(01:21:36):
that it's gonna run dash out, and then I'm gonna
end up seeing somebody hit it and run because they
get scared, right, And I'm thinking to my well, so, Dan,
if I based the moral of the stories, if I
quit and two years later you're calling me doctor Salisbury
or four years what however long it takes, you got
to go to vet schools, I already got. Then bring
your dog to me. Yeah, Oh there's no dude, I'm

(01:21:57):
wearing it with nothing on underneath it. Oh God, I'm kidding.
So I'm just wondering if if I'm out of because
it was why I know people would save a dog
or move it to I get that, yeah, but I
just maybe I know because some people probably want to
hunt them. But I just thought I can't do it.
And I was sick to my stomach the whole frigging night.
Then then I had it in the garage and I

(01:22:18):
thought it's kind of hot. Well, sean rabbits live outdoors.
This is not a pet rabbit. And then I brought
it into the laughtery room so could enjoy the air
and maybe it would help. And what's the stuff you
put on a cut that makes it white? The old
school in the browth, you know, uh, not mature comb,
it's old schoolide Yes. I poured that on the on
the the cut on the head, and all the white
showed up and it cleared that up. I'm like, okay,

(01:22:42):
I'm on my way to bed school. Yeah, and who
knows what's going to happen. But I thought, well, if
they got head, I said, if you got your head
hitting your little stunt, welcome to the Salisbury House. We're
all screwed up in this home anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:22:53):
So I just didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Maybe I got a problem. Dude. I am so cognizant
when I'm driving of what I am and when people say, well,
what would you would you swerve to hit the person
or the way I'm kidding in the car, you know,
the parked vehicle. I'm I am hitting a parked vehicle
before I'm running over a turtle or a rabbit, just
hopefully nobody's in the parked vehicle. So but I was

(01:23:15):
just wondering if I'm just an absolute nut job because
I decided that, you know what, I'm going to save
a rabbit that is gonna I'm gonna let go today,
and it's gonna turn around and probably pop back in
my yard, hang around and start eating my plants. Again.

Speaker 7 (01:23:27):
Good thing it was you and not already Buco.

Speaker 9 (01:23:29):
You know, with the arugula seeds in the garden, I
hit those in my shaving bits, right.

Speaker 7 (01:23:35):
You can't fire them off in the pearl limits.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
So if I come back here and you say, Sean,
whatever happened that rabbit? The six months later he's living
in my house and walking around with my dogs, you'll know, yeah,
that I cleared his cut up too good.

Speaker 9 (01:23:47):
You see, you see those videos. Well it's also too
I mean, might come back and say like, hey, buddy, thanks,
how about some more victuals.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Yeah right, Well you just crushed my yard and made
me hold up forty seven people in traffic and one
guy cussing at me because I stopped at the bill
of I wasn't good enough for you.

Speaker 7 (01:24:02):
So I just wonder if I'm a.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Probably whack job. But I imagine there's a lot of
people out there saying, well, what do you do? And
at times, you know, we just drive by stuff like that.
And I said, I can't. I don't know what because
it was sitting there and I felt so is like
scared and I'm like, Sean, you've you're so frigging soft
when it comes to that. But I can't help it, man,
I just that's that's just so. I was just wondering
if I was a nut job, or if it's okay
to save wildlife like that and try to take it

(01:24:23):
to a vet. That's gonna probably if I need a vet.
I had just taken it today and I'm like, I
don't know, man, I'll never see the rabbit again.

Speaker 9 (01:24:29):
But good gracious, well, I'm with you as long as
it's not a hindrance to myself for anyone else, right,
Because like I was driving down the interstate once coming
back from an SEC game and I had no choice.

Speaker 7 (01:24:39):
I had Sorry squirrel, I mean sorry, sorry sad? Yeah, yeah,
and you.

Speaker 9 (01:24:43):
Probably were sick to your stomach for a minute. Time
felt bad. But I mean at the same time though, too,
I was like, well, I slam on the brakes or
a swerve. That's why I'm saying, yeah, seventy plus here,
that's gonna be bad, right a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
And then that's why I'm asking if I'm a whack job.
This lucky enough going right.

Speaker 9 (01:24:57):
If I'm lucky enough to have the explanation, Hey, what happened?
I miss a squirrel? You know it's probably bad on me,
so and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
I'm just thinking, man, I can't let this squirrel sprint
across the street and get hit while you're trying to
save it, right, So he may be a little battered
and then bloody. Now you're not bloody, but lived a
few scars from this. But hopefully they'll go out there
and find the family or whatever. You Yeah, well, I
don't know about Thankful for me, Thankful to the good
Lord for making me stop is normally I was in

(01:25:23):
a hurry to get stuff done and to stop, and
I'm like, oh, you know, this is a pain. What
are you doing, Sean? I'll put him in the box
and you just got your hats in and let's go.
So I guess I'm not the only idiot. No, I
think there's a lot of people that are with you
on that, me included.

Speaker 9 (01:25:36):
But we will get back into the astros conversation because
did frustration boil over last night and was it necessarily
directed at a group and not an individual? We'll discuss here.
It is the Sean Salisbury Show on a Tuesday, Sports
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Salisbury, Okay, let's do this.

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Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
Some good news though, Jeremy Pania gonna be on the
field tonight for Triple As sugar Land, so hopefully that
means one step closer to returning and the Texan is
going to get back on the practice field for training
camp here in about an hour, speaking of about an
hour from now. Aj Persenski for Major Leaguer Foul Territory TV,
the crew over there of Scott Braun, Eric Kratz, we

(01:26:55):
had Kratzy on when you were out and that's doubled.
That Christian Walker hit last night kind of reminded me
of something that Kratzy had told us. He said, Hey,
when he's going the opposite way, going to the right
center field, that's when you know things are going good
for him.

Speaker 7 (01:27:08):
So it's I want to believe, man, I really.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Understand, but you're a hundred plus games in, and I
understand why the grind you're saying, when will the consistent?
He's gotten better, but he's you know, he's still what
hovering in the two forty range. And I would have
expected coming in here this year that we'd be looking
at twenty five in that twenty five home run range, right,
I'm hoping that it kicks in as a lineup lengthens

(01:27:35):
when they get healthy. But I understand Listen, I would
imagine he's probably pretty frustrated too. But yeah, and you know,
and he's always been a guy. As we've discussed, when
you hit the ball the right side of second base,
that's when he's in his groove.

Speaker 7 (01:27:49):
The rest take care of itself. But it's going to
have to happen more often.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:27:53):
You wonder also too, if frustration is starting to boil over,
especially with from er Valdez, because gave up that one
run last night and he'd get the no decision, but
the Astros had won thirteen games in a row when
he had started, even if he had factored into the
decision or not. After the game though, Brian McTaggart sharing
this along with the video of the play itself, it
was the Nathaniel Lowe RBI double that scored Josh Bell

(01:28:16):
all the way from first. That you're just like, you
should never have Josh Bell score all the way from
first unless it's a triple or something like that. But
from Ervaldez was frustrated with the defensive positioning on this play,
saying quote, it doesn't make sense that it was a double.
It doesn't make sense that the right fielder was playing
center field with a lefty hitting.

Speaker 7 (01:28:36):
That should have been a single, That shouldn't have been
a double.

Speaker 9 (01:28:40):
Runner shouldn't have been on the runner, should have been
at third in not at home on that and continuing
even further, Chandler Rome adding this from Fromber, translated through
Auto Lore, who is the team translator for some of
the players in the clubhouse. I saw the right fielder
playing center field, and you know we have a center
fielder for that. I feel like the right fielder should

(01:29:03):
have been playing right field. I was uncomfortable with that Frombers,
said it through an interpreter, also adding too, of not
really getting Taylor Tremmell's defensive placements on that play, as
I don't give up a ton of lifted baseballs at
that point, I give up a lot of ground balls.

Speaker 7 (01:29:19):
He's the ground ball.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
One of the best ground ball pitchers in baseball. Here's
I guess the concern about this is when you're addressing
it to that extent, it's bothered you. Now you want
to play manager and defense. Now I understand Frober's frustration.

(01:29:40):
You strike out twelve, walk a couple, and get a run,
get it. And that's happened to he and Hunter Brown
a handful of times this year. But what happens is
when you and I don't mean this. I like guys
that tell it how it is. But I'm not sure
and maybe I'm looking a wrong. Maybe I need to
hear the tone right Dan, because I don't know his tone.

(01:30:01):
But you read what he said. I'm always leery of
publicly criticizing a teammate or the man. You know what
I'm saying. Now, listen, I'm all for you want to
walk in there and you want to throw a dog
on gatorade thing and say we got to pick this
stuff up every now and then. I come to Jesus
is important. I don't mean a player's only meeting. I

(01:30:23):
learned that a little motion. I've been in there at halftime.
We were playing a game when I was in San
Diego and we were playing poorly in the first half
and our big guy, Ruben Davis, who's a big stud
defensive tagraph came and do and you know how heavy
the gatorade thing is when it's full. He lifted it
up above his head and threw it and it boom,
went everywhere. He was just frustrated. But message set didn't
need and a little you know, mixing a little fun

(01:30:44):
and a guy Rube. It was because he wasn't he
was always happy. He was that guy you wouldn't expect
to be that guy. But it was private locker room,
well said, and we all knew what the message was.
So there is a time and a place. I just
when the frustration starts to build that you're I don't
want to say making excuses, but now saying this should

(01:31:04):
and this should and this should and this shouldn't. It's
and then I'm a flyball pitcher base. You know all
the things you said, Dan it it You start to
wonder if remember I told you at the beginning, and
I didn't know this quote happened in the first hour
of this show. I said, you keep doing this, and
what happens is in football the offense and defense start
on the sidelines during the game. So have become a

(01:31:25):
start hole, start pulling your weight. I'm not saying that's
happening with the Ashless, but that does happen. You do
become that they could there There can be division created,
and it may not be long division. It may be
short division, but it also may be Oh so the
next time you give up a ground ball or walk
a guy with a runner on third of the basement,
I'm coming at you that's how you start to think,

(01:31:45):
you start to get a little defensive. So it was
he didn't name a name, but we kind of got.
It's when you're airing it out in public. It's it's
you just gotta be careful because what's the strength of
this team? Thank you, and that grit, that believability, all
the things they've You just want to be careful, not
to fair. That doesn't mean you got to go around
kissing people's ass. I'm just always leary. If I got

(01:32:07):
a problem with you, I'm doing it as a player
anyway that we can yell and scream in an office,
walk out, put our arm around each other, say I
can't wait till tomorrow. Like the cartoon with the sheep
dog and the you know, the and the and the
wolf or whatever it is, they clock in, Fred and
Harry or whatever they clock in the old cartoon, they
walk to work together, beat each other's brains in after
they clock in, and then they clock out and walk

(01:32:29):
home together. You see tomorrow, Fred seeing them what You're right?
Same thing here, you can go. That's okay. Those things
happen in a long seats a matter of fact, frustration
this time should if you're not getting frustrated. Now it's
like fights in training camp football. If you're not getting
those fights once in a while without breaking a hand
on a helmet, I'm starting to wonder there's the intensity there?
Do you care enough? And coaches know that it's the

(01:32:49):
same thing here? One hundred games in brother, and you're
frustrated after you should have won a game and you've lost.
I get it. You just gotta okay, it's emptied, have whatever,
come to Gee's and get back, get back at it.
I'm just always leary of player happened to say. He
said what now? They may not, but he said what

(01:33:10):
you gotta be You've got to guard against it because
frustration and competitiveness can cause you to save stuff and
then have to come back and apologize, which you don't
want to have to do. I think the nuclear option
was available to him and he didn't use it last night.
And we'll discuss that here because I know that some
people want to weigh in on it, because I think
I think that there's words being said but not being

(01:33:32):
said for us to.

Speaker 9 (01:33:33):
Want to read between the lines and talking about a
boiling point. Thank you, yeah, get it, there you go.
I get it Ronnie Brandon. See you guys right there
working into the conversation. A couple other spots open for you.
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Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Him shun.

Speaker 9 (01:36:51):
Before we get to some of you on the phone line, Sean,
to your point, and I said the nuclear option, because
the nuclear option would have been well, I can only pitch.
That's all I can do here. I can't go to
the plate and I can't hit. So if you guys
are really upset with me, then I think you're upset
with the wrong person. That's what that was last night.
That frustration boiled over, and it was you're going to

(01:37:13):
wear it right now, even though you're not necessarily at
fault for it. And maybe he was upset about the
defensive positioning. That's fine, some would probably tell Frombert you're
worried about the wrong things. Just make the pitches. Hope
that Lance Parksdale gives you the call, because funny enough,
it was a better pitch too low that was called
a ball than the one that was called on Dubon,

(01:37:33):
which I get it. That happens in baseball. It's even
air all of that. But that, to me, Sean was
what he was really saying last night, is it was
I am working my you know what off out here
and not getting rewarded for it. But I know that
if I go that route, I lose the other twenty
five guys in this clubhouse. They will never be back

(01:37:56):
on my side. It was a roundabout way of saying
I confess he did it. That's exactly what it was.
I mean, if you go and go back and read
the quote, and I mean, it's pretty this, this, this, this, this,
and this. I'm a flyball you know, the ball, I mean,
I'm I'm a ground ball pitcher. All those things that
go on.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
You know that the ball doesn't go, the ball doesn't
get in the air very often, and positioning, and in
truth it isn't his gig.

Speaker 7 (01:38:19):
His gig is to do his thing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
But that's the point you're making about frustration getting to
the point, and the point I'm making of you can divide.
You gotta be careful. And now then the question is
how many guys woke up this morn went to bedless?
I saying, I don't know, But how dare him? Right?

Speaker 7 (01:38:37):
Dude, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
It's like quarterback drops back to throw a pass, throws
a touchdown, those three touchdowns in the first half, having
a monster game, all of a sudden, three mistackles are
a guys out of position on a coverage and the
quarterback walks down to the defensive side, looks at the coordinator,
looks at them when they're sitting on the bench getting
dressed down by the coordinator, and says, hey, man, how
many more touchdowns can I throw before you guys get
me off the get off the field.

Speaker 13 (01:38:59):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
How would you respond, Well, I mean, it's true. I mean,
there's no doubt that the truth hurts. But the presentations,
it's all in the presentation, right, it's all in the presentation.

Speaker 9 (01:39:12):
But it's also too I mean I feel like that
kind of makes it a selfish statement.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
There's that point.

Speaker 9 (01:39:17):
So then that's when you immediately become defensive. When they're like, oh,
well wait a minute, Okay, you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
Know it's and I confess he did it, then yeah,
no question, And you're right, said it enough to where
it's not he didn't start calling out short of calling
out name. We know what he was frustrated about, right,
But you're exactly, there's no doubt. But my point is
depending on the other side and how somebody takes it,
those things confessed or unless it's just go out and

(01:39:43):
win and do it. And Frober's got an argument, Hell,
I get it, but it's when how and if you
present it the way he did. I personally am a
guy that the laundry staying in my locker room. That's
just me, right, that's just me. But I do get it,
or take it up with the people who you need
to take it up with, because don't you think they

(01:40:04):
know who they're talking to.

Speaker 7 (01:40:05):
Yeah, in the middle of the order that goes one
for ten.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Positioning, all that. But he didn't get in probably all
the things he'd like to get in. Nobody It could
have been an oh, by the way, we need more
runs and I gotta have driving runs get you know,
could have and I get it. And he is good
enough to be critical because he does. Dude, for the
last like seven or eight starts, ten starts, he's been

(01:40:31):
frigging lights out.

Speaker 9 (01:40:33):
No, that's why you felt good about last night, right,
you felt like, Okay, hey man, you know, first four
games not great, but we can at least get this
series started on the right foot.

Speaker 7 (01:40:40):
I said on this show yesterday. I know you weren't here.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
I said, this is the lock pick has to be
the lock pick in baseball lost four in a row.
You're going with the guy who's pitching out of his mind.
You're at home. He just got beat by the A's
for and row Washington's in town. You're kicking their ass.
And Dan, I forgot because of the all the things
I had going on. I forgot to a little wager

(01:41:03):
and I was going to put a significant one on you.
I forgot to do it. That's the only reason I
need to lose money, because this, to me was a spilting,
cold lead pipe lock. And he scored one run, so
when you think about it, that's what I'm saying, and
twelve strikeouts and when he walked to he was lights
out and gave it what one earned run and they

(01:41:23):
got the other one in the bullpit. And so the
point is is that, yeah, I'm like, there's no way,
there's no way. So I'm glad I forgot to make
it once it started like oh, But the other side
of it is there's no way going into last night.
I mean, it's you're thinking, this is the way you
into losing streak. At home, he just locked to the A's.
You're in first place and Frommer's going to the hill.

(01:41:45):
So I get his frustration, but Dan, it is a
slippery slope of when people start to look around and
say be careful. I mean, I say, keep it to
a whisper. I guess is my point. And what's the
one thing we've said about Farmer that's been his I
don't want to say downfall, because he's really good. His
slight a little bit of his weakness has been the

(01:42:07):
patience and the mental of overcoming a bad inning or commissions. Yeah, right,
and sometimes they can get the best to you. How
they nip it in the bud will be fine. And
the best way to do that is go out and
score ten runs day. But also remember maybe the next
time Robert pitches, you give him ten runs, because no
matter what goes on, he's still to say, well, could
I get a little bit of that love? And could
you position this? And I groundball picture? All those things.

(01:42:28):
You do not want to let that creep in. But
I get the frustration because the offense is not doing
its job as often as they need to, and.

Speaker 9 (01:42:36):
It at least makes you wonder if it's being said publicly,
because that's the thing too. All handle is behind closed doors.
Handles behind closed doors. I'm usually the one that believes, well,
it's tried to be addressed behind closed doors, and it
just has not been addressed. So now it's finally okay, fine,
you know what, I'll go to the nuclear option here.

Speaker 7 (01:42:51):
And that's the other part.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
So if that is the case, Dan, what you're saying,
and he's tried, and it's well, listen, we address it
every day. When are they going to pick it up there?
Even if they don't read papers, or do we even
read papers anymore? You get if they're not reading stores
or seeing social here. Of course you are. Yeah, And
you're getting questions by the daily media, of course you are.
And that's their job. So even if you don't want
to be reminded by, you're reminded by. It's it's prevalent

(01:43:15):
every day, and the players know. You can't fool players
on what they're doing. Now, some may you know that confidence,
Oh I'm hitting two twenty, but I'll come out of
this and that's a good thing. But there's no doubt
that they know that. But you're right now if in
fact that it has been discussed in private, and then
it gets to this, like you say, can kind of
give them a little nuclear love publicly?

Speaker 7 (01:43:37):
Sometimes it's needed.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
Sometimes you gotta I don't want to say embarrassed, but
sometimes you gotta that's what do you say, because now
how you're going to respond. It's a strong clubhouse. But
if it already, if we're at that level, now what happens?
If it happens for two more weeks, then what's the next?
Does the bull become fighting the clubhouse blow? You know
what I'm saying. That's not extreme, but you get the
point of And then all of a sudden, when Frober

(01:44:00):
pitches is a player, what do you start to feel
a little more, a little more grind because we owe
the guy's pitching his ass off. We've got to play
beat and so you kind of shoulder that accountability and
responsibility and I get it, and you should. But those
things start to get going, and if you hit that
in your level two, there still is another nuclear level
that goes wrong, and we know what that is.

Speaker 7 (01:44:21):
So don't want it, No, you sure as hell don't.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Now you don't.

Speaker 9 (01:44:25):
You'd like to keep this clubhouse as strong as possible, John,
Ronnie Conrod, James, see you, guys, right there a couple
more spots open for you because I know a lot
of you want to weigh in on this, so we'll
do that right here. It is a Sean Salisbury Show
on a Tuesday. Don't forget Aj Prisenski going to join
us in about thirty minutes right here on Sports Talk
seven to ninety the Sewan Salisbury Show continued Foul Territory TVs.

(01:44:51):
Aj Prisenski, former Major league catcher. He's going to join
us here in a little over twenty minutes too. But
I know that a lot of you want to get
in on this Fromber discussions. Will do that someone three two, one, two,
five seven nine you let's get it fired up with Ronnie?

Speaker 7 (01:45:05):
Who wants to weigh in? Ronnie, Good morning, Good morning guys.

Speaker 15 (01:45:08):
I kind of a sort of a two part question
regarding Fromber. How much say so do the pictures have
in determining position of the defensive players? And I know
in the past there have been times when pitchers will
turn around and maybe motion somebody in the outfield to
go over one way or the other. And if Fromber

(01:45:29):
was that upset with the positioning, he should have waited
Tremail or whoever over, you know, to change the positioning.

Speaker 10 (01:45:37):
But now all these guys have these cards that they
pull out of their pocket and.

Speaker 15 (01:45:41):
Look at the deal, and some other coach has determined
what positioning they want, so the pitchers may or may
not have any say so as to what's going on.
And the second part of that question is how much
does what's happening now with Fromber with regard to the

(01:46:01):
things that are going on in his starts, how much
does that have an effect or will that have an
effect on whether he decides to consider staying with the
Astros in.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
The off season.

Speaker 9 (01:46:14):
Appreciate it, Ronnie. I'll start with the second part. First,
finances are going to determine the other one. If the
Astros poning up the right amount of money for him,
then he's staying.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
Oh yeah, And if it's if you're blow him away,
it's not. And if somebody comes in and blows that
off for away, just follow the money trace. All things
being equal, he may be comfortable here as teammates listen.
One little thing like that, which can be a big
thing to some. And Ronnie makes a great point. Great,
I mean, the great breakdown of it is you can't
let that stuff fast. I mean, it happens all the time.

(01:46:43):
That won't be the deciding decision whether he comes here
or not. If that, all things being equally, may say yeah,
But we've got to fix a few things, but it's
going to come down to cash.

Speaker 7 (01:46:52):
You're exactly right down one money and years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
On the other side of it is Ronnie making the
point about positioning. All that seems to be done now
and taken out of the pitcher's hands. It's all the
pre stuff. That's why they got printed up cards in
their back pocket. You see the left fielder look at
it and moved the cheat towards the gap or cheat
towards the line. I can't remember the last time I
saw a pitcher direct that traffic. The only time I

(01:47:20):
ever see a pitcher turn and directed two two ways
one and if she's not, if you'll check with the umpire,
turn around, say two outs, pointing to the middle infield
guy on first or one out, and they know, point
to who's who's got the bag right when he's a comebacker, right,
who's got the bag when we're turning this double play.
That's it. I can't remember the last time I saw

(01:47:42):
a pitcher turn around and tell the center fielder cheat
towards right center. That's manager. Now. You'll see a lot
of times in the dugout guys directing trafficker the bench
coach said, hey, boom boom boom here. But now we've
gotten to the point where all that metrics and stuff
has been broken down pre stuff, and they handle your

(01:48:03):
laminated card or whatever it is. This guy does this
boom boom boom, play him, and they obviously take intoccount
who the pitcher is. You're gonna you know, velocity, and
how he pitches, where you're gonna put him. I can't,
And I think part of it is taking the decision
making or those type of stuff, the house cleaning stuff
out of the pitcher's head. And with Fromer, you just

(01:48:25):
wanted to focus on get people out, keep the ball
down and get people out and throw strikes, and you
don't want that. So I can't remember the last time.
I'm sure he probably could. But they may not even
know how the card says they're playing. They may know, guy,
he's got great power to right center. I'm gonna stay
away from his wheelhouse, pitch him in or what have you,
but they probably don't know. Hey, what's the card say

(01:48:46):
for Kurts, Well, play him to hit the ball into
the upper tank. If you're throw one out and over
the plate with right yeah, it's up there at the top.
But you get the point, depending on who it is,
their batspeed vlo, how they swing. But the job getting
people at now how to pitch to the guys another way.
But you're leaving that to bench coach manager and set

(01:49:07):
it up. And usually that is sitting right there on
the card. And if unfortunately they go somewhere not opposite
the card, well that happens. Well.

Speaker 9 (01:49:14):
I mean, it's not like playing quarterback either. I mean,
your job is hard enough as a pitcher just trying
to get outs. I mean, so if you're thinking about
the other thing, that you're making your job even harder,
even though doubt even for quarterbacks. I mean, you know,
pushback if I'm wrong here, Sean. I mean maybe every
once in a while, you know, you send somebody in motion,
and I mean we even saw it last year, a
penalty that was costly for the Texans in one of

(01:49:35):
their games.

Speaker 8 (01:49:35):
C J.

Speaker 7 (01:49:36):
Stroud took it upon himself.

Speaker 9 (01:49:37):
He said, I probably should have made sure that the
guy was set before I snapped the football.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
That is, I tell any quarterback I training for me
that the stuff that like when I come to the
line of scrimmage, you gotta have four guys off the
ball to play quarterback, and three other dudes got to
be off the ball. If you have nine guys on
the ball and two guys off and you throw a
touchdown pass, that's getting called back. Okay, four guys off.
So you see all the time, quarterback come up, get
on the line. Two guys are off. We only got
three guys the backs in the backfield. I'm off as

(01:50:03):
a quarterback all the time. Whether I'm under center in
the gun and I got my tight end off, the
line of scrimmage is going to boom, We're gonna motion
him across the formation. So boom down set white eight
boom shift, tight end goes up to the line of scrimmage,
Z comes off or vice versa. Going send a motion.
But you got to have four of them off. Well,
you see those guys coming to the line of scrimmage
and you get on, you get off. It is my

(01:50:26):
responsibility as a quarterback, even though the running the wide
receiver should know I got to be on or off
on this play. They are told and they need to
understand that. You'd be shocked at how many don't know.
I can ask a question to eighty percent of the
people and I've done it high school quarterbacks and even
college quarterbacks. Division one quarterback. How many people got to
be off the ball to to snap that ball for success?

(01:50:50):
And that's what I'll get, And it's nice. It's not
a question of your stupid. It's a question of the
things we take for granted. Can you imagine because I
learned it, can you be in at the well's And
then why hasn't the coach taught it? Because can you
imagine throwing it? If that's the unforced air in tennis?
Can you imagine throwing a touchdown pass? And referee and
we've seen it, uh illegal formation? See it. You'll see

(01:51:14):
it one hundred times this year because the quarterback either
didn't pay attention, the wide receiver was on the ball
too close. And as a wide receiver you just turn
to the ref and say, am I good? He'll tell you.

Speaker 7 (01:51:26):
But as a quarterback, I have always.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Said, regardless of what they're doing, you take that accountability
because you got the ball, you see it all You've
got to make sure your formation and motion that before
a guy goes in motion, you got to get him
upset for a second then send him in motion. It
can't be while somebody's moving and shifting, you're running the
guy in motion. Now the smart thing as you go
to football, like you if the guy running in motion
sees the guy move at the same time, what should

(01:51:49):
he do?

Speaker 7 (01:51:50):
Just stop?

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
Stop where you're at. Do you make sure that there's
four people off the ball or seven on? Stop where
you're at. Don't continue your motion now. If you stop
and are stationary for a second, it's not illegal mootent movement.
We just called a shift. So all those things come
in and trust me, series and games have been lost
somewhere along because somebody didn't get lined upright, which is inexcusable.

Speaker 7 (01:52:15):
I meantimes we see that that's exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
Right, and then all of a sudden you're like, oh,
and so as a quarterback regard, it's like under center, dude,
I've all even if the center's got a three hundred
pounds stud to block and like down at the goal line,
he's got to reach him, dude. So if I'm think
about me taking and running a stretch play left and
the center step and right to cut him off, and

(01:52:37):
he's got to block Aaron Donald, So I got to
ride him with my hands right under his ass if
I'm under center while I'm stepping left. So if you
pull and he's stepping right, snaps the ball into his
Nazutski's and the ball lands on the ground and people
are going, what's wrong with Cineca. I got to stay
in and hang with him. And I've always said, no
matter what, even if it hits the palm of my

(01:52:58):
hand or it's supposed to, or hits the bottom hand,
hits the fingers, short snap, I still have to get it.
That is my job. And if I'm saying, oh, that's
the center slow, I's got to hit my hand. Well.
Now in the gun, if he snaps at four feet
over my head, well the world can see. I don't
need to talk about that. So there are things that
you just got to do extra and a court you
should never ever, ever, never, ever, never, ever, never having

(01:53:21):
a penalty, especially a pre snap one that is we
are illegally lined up. It ain't that hard to get
four off and no, you can't move, And it is
the quarterback responsiblity. That guy's going in motion, you got
to make sure before you send him in motion that
my guys are set. At some point this year, somebody's
gonna score touchdown. Somebody's gonna make a big play. It's

(01:53:41):
gonna get called back in this league because they had
eight guys on a line of scrimmage. And you're gonna
say we're in the we're pros. But I'm just telling you,
and it's not mean, but some guys, even if you're
a quarterback in college and I've had I asked a
guy this once. He did not know.

Speaker 7 (01:53:57):
It's not a dog on him.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
It's like, we got to teach it better because it's
those little things that end up crushing the game they do.
It's the little things that become the big things. In
four little things equal to a home run for the
other team. Let's see, you're coaching it or you're allowing
it to happen. It's exactly right. And if you ain't
moving forward, guess what that's exactly right. So you can't.

(01:54:19):
There's enough. It's hard enough for a pitcher to direct outfield.
It's too hard a game. You got when you got
six six, six three two and sixty pound outside linebackers,
they can run down Saquon Barkley. We got a problem here, right,
So you better make sure they're precious and sixty five
or seventy of them in pros and eighty five of
them in college. If you're playing with h c year

(01:54:40):
old midis to play fast, so they are precious, and
it's four or five of them, and those it's such
a hard game. Those are the ones you can control.
If I just control the things I want to be
in every game. But there's certain things and Fromber's got
to get out of trying to control what he can't
because what he can control, he's damn good at. That's
the other job. Now they can come together and understand
wh it happened. But sometimes you're going to be misaligned.

(01:55:02):
In football. It can't happen in baseball. Sometimes a guy
just hits to the place where they ain't. It's called
one hundred and sixty two games and a whole bunch
of at bats.

Speaker 9 (01:55:10):
I mean, you try to do somebody else's job, soon
enough you forget how to do your own. That's what
they I've always said this, take care of your business
first thing.

Speaker 7 (01:55:16):
Go help you, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
It's the old secure you, and then make sure you're
healthy enough to go take care.

Speaker 7 (01:55:22):
But it's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:24):
If I'm not doing my job, and then how in
the hell how can I expect the right guard to
do his so take care of you? Then what are
you doing to elevate everybody else? But if you ain't
elevating yourself, it's basically a bunch of individual matchups with
eleven dudes and nine in baseball, got to take care
of your business and in the process help a teammate out.

(01:55:45):
If you're not doing either, either find yourself a bench
or take two weeks off and find something else to do.

Speaker 7 (01:55:50):
See a lot of you, see a lot of you.
Others want away in on this too.

Speaker 9 (01:55:54):
Will give you that opportunity also to don't forget about
fifteen minutes from now, Aja Prazinski, you're gonna join us,
So we'll continue the astros discussion here. It is the
Sean Salisbury Show on a Tuesday Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
This Sewn Salisbury Show continues John, good morning, hey man,
that's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Look man, uh.

Speaker 14 (01:56:18):
When fortunately when they scored from a come off that field,
they had the camera. Oh he was smoking hot. Now,
I don't know if he's calling out Tamail or any
of the players. He may be calling out the position
coach because a lot of times in baseball, the position
coach or the manager called those positions in now field.

(01:56:40):
But I mean, you know, he's just a little upset.
I mean, actually he'd been a pretty good little Indian
all season compared to his last few seasons. Very very
very emotional guy. He wants to win, you know. But hey, daddy,
we know that's not why they lost last night. You know,
they're not hitting any game if you own to score

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one run, hey, all the way to the nine and
until the game is oh, with anybody's game. I mean,
this could turn out to be a positive, maybe a
light of fire under some of these hitters that have
not been hitting for the last five, six, seven games.
You know what I'm saying. So you know, it ain't
no big deal. It might turn out to be good. Yeah,
I have a good day.

Speaker 9 (01:57:20):
I appreciate John. And you know something else too, buddy
of mine brought up Sean. You know, with the discussion
we were having, it's we can agree that Frommer's a
made guy, right like that. Frommer is one of those
guys that if he says something, you're like, Okay, there's
gotta be something here.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
He's got enough skin in the game and enough success
to say he's onto something. Yes, absolutely so.

Speaker 9 (01:57:41):
Credibility, I mean, and that's the thing too, is I mean,
she was point too that he brought up about I'm
not a fly ball pitcher, I'm a ground ball guy.
And that's what got us right there. Ye because even
if I'm watching it on TV, you're watching it on TV,
we all were. That was immediately what came to my
mind is I was like, why did Tremuell get to
that ball so slow? Like immediately, like that's what I thought, Like,

(01:58:01):
I was like, like, what the hell kind of route
did he take to get to that baseball?

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
Like?

Speaker 7 (01:58:05):
How is Josh Bell scoring from first base on that
Josh Bell?

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
You gotta and I don't mean this disrespectful to him,
but don't you got to get an hour glass of
time him from.

Speaker 7 (01:58:13):
First to third? I mean you almost thought.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
So listen, if it's Panya, if it's Ronald Acunya first
the third Byron Buxton, Yeah, talking different ballgame, but we're
talking about a fairly thick and I don't want to
slow footed may not be fair, but he ate exactly
fleet footed scoring for first at the angle. Listen fromber

(01:58:36):
is not wrong on the why why is this happened?
Blah blah blah, blah blah. It's the how he got
to it right or how you present it right, and
that that's where it comes in. And listen, he's probably
not the only one, and John's right say whether it's
the position coach or the bench coach that signal where
to go.

Speaker 7 (01:58:57):
But it was a roundabout.

Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
Wait, it's very hard for me to believe, even on
a long single that Josh Bell's scoring for first base.
You get my point, that rattled around you. I mean,
that's reserved for somebody who's on the run, who's going
to steal thirty for it. It just is those unless
you're fiddling around and they call it a hit and
it's not an extra base error. It is hard for

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that to score from first to third, especially on a
play that you're like saying, do we take a detour there? Yeah,
the unpaved part of it to get there to get it.
So it's not that and sometimes it can be, as
John said, a kick in the ass, but you just
got to be careful how you present it.

Speaker 9 (01:59:37):
Yeah, we'll continue this conversation too, because Gary Brandon see
you guys right there, so we'll get you guys involved.
But coming up though, maybe we'll discuss this and much
more with Aj Prazinski again former Major leaguer and also
now with foul Territory TV.

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Speaker 9 (02:02:26):
Good morning, AJ you got myself, Dan Matthews, you got
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Speaker 7 (02:02:31):
Let's just start off first.

Speaker 9 (02:02:31):
We've been talking a lot in the last few segments
about frommer Valdez's comments last night about the defensive alignment
on the Nathaniel Lowe RBI double that scores Josh Bell
all the way from first take yourself back as a player.
Whenever you hear your pictures say something like that, are
you taking it on Oh he's frustrated with us and
they he just took it out on them? Or is
that something you address with him and you say, hey, man,

(02:02:53):
like we got to keep that in here.

Speaker 16 (02:02:56):
First of all, Houston is like my second home. I've
done so many as those games over my career at Fox.
They joke that I should have a condo there because
I've been at Diking Park so much. Even the year
of COVID when the Astros we had the National League,
I had the Braves and the Marlins at that many
made at a time. So, yes, we spend a lot
of time in Houston.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
Well we got we got four hours on the show
that you come in and sit in the studio. Next
time you're in town, you always got to see you
here with us. Brother, were as if you want to
work more.

Speaker 16 (02:03:23):
Right, yeah, because if I don't talk enough already, you
guys do a great job. So yeah, So here's what
Here's what I would say to fromber if I was
on his team. Someone he's probably he's the veteran on
this team. There's nobody else that us had more success
than Fromber. Vote is the thing that I would say,
is this catcher if I'm Kartini or ordillaz As, I

(02:03:44):
go to him and I just say, look, man, we
align our defense the best we can with what you're
pitching and what the scouting report says. If somebody every
once in a while hits a flute ball, that we
we can't plan for everything. You can only plan for
what you see in what the scouts and what the
reports have told you over the year or Heck, some
of these guys have years and years of scouting reports

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lined up. So, yeah, you're frustrated. I think he's more
frustrated to the fact that the way the team's playing.
He's not frustrated that the coaches of the defense. It's just,
you know, he's the ace. He went it's deeper seded, right, Aj,
it's a little deeper seeded than that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
Right.

Speaker 10 (02:04:19):
It's not just on that play. It's more like they've
lost five in a row.

Speaker 16 (02:04:22):
You know, the Mariners and the Rangers are coming right
up their tail, you know, meaning like they are they're
just chasing him down really quick because the Askers not
long ago had a huge lead and it's what three
and four games, I think with the Mariners, So I
just think that they're at a point where, yeah, they're
starting to feel a little pressure, no paining you, No,
albare is still how are they going to score? Or
they got a bunch of guys Fromber's been throwing them

(02:04:43):
really well. So he loses what two to one last night. Yeah,
he's a little frustrated, but you know what, these things happen.
You can't plan for it, and someone just needs a gram.
Whether it's Joe Spotta, who's one of the best in
the game, or the pitching coach or whoever it is,
and just say, hey, man, like it's we understand you're frustrated,
but don't try to throw the rest of the team
under the bus.

Speaker 7 (02:04:59):
Hej You've been covering it and playing it for so long.

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
And like you mentioned Houston, when is there a time
and I was discussing in NFL locker rooms at times.
Use you know you're killing it as an offense and
defense isn't getting off the field or vice versa. That
that stuff confessed and it starts to pit against each
other because you say, man, pick up the temple and
the emotions run wild. The Astros have this strong clubhousees.
You know that that's been one of their strengths, resilient

(02:05:22):
regardless of all the changes. Can you get to a
point if the frustration mounts that it does become a
clubhouse divided? Is there danger of that? Well? I think
I think seans.

Speaker 10 (02:05:34):
The biggest difference between football and baseball is you can't get.

Speaker 16 (02:05:37):
Angry or play better in baseball, right right, it's not
an emotional well, let's freaking go, you.

Speaker 7 (02:05:44):
Know, run through a wall. YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 10 (02:05:46):
A lot of times that makes it worse. So I've
never been on a team.

Speaker 16 (02:05:49):
You know there's jokes and stuff or pictures like you
never score me any runs, or and then you know
hitters will score one running like, well we scored one.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
Is that should be enough if you're still good.

Speaker 16 (02:05:59):
I've never been in a club where it got to
a point where guys were like fighting over the offense.
And then it's more of a media inspired thing because
you don't you think you think guys aren't trying to score.
You think guys don't want to get hits. Play giggle
up there and say, man from er Val doesn't pitching day.
I don't want to get a hit because it'll help him, Right,
It's more like I want to get a hit for

(02:06:19):
myself and my team to help us win. So there's
enough pressure already on baseball players in general just to performaball.
Baseball is a game of individual performances, right, that make
up a team sport, and it's not. It's like in
football at eleven eleven, right, if all eleven guys don't
do what they're supposed to do when a play, something
happens you get sacked, right if they left guard misses

(02:06:40):
his block, but everyone else does the right thing.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
It's the same in baseball.

Speaker 16 (02:06:43):
If all nine guys don't play great defense together, it
doesn't work, and if guys don't get hits, it doesn't work.
And right now the Astros are just in one of
those lulls. It happens in the season too, like baseball
goes so up and down. Right, it's every day. It's
not once a week, it's not every few days. It's
every day, and you go through ups and downs. I
think they'll be fine. I mean they've been through this.

(02:07:04):
They have enough Vetteran guys all two v promber you know,
even like a Hunter Brown has been through this. Enough
hater at the back end. Joe Spott has been there
and did a great job. I think they're gonna be fine,
But they got to find some offense.

Speaker 9 (02:07:16):
Man.

Speaker 10 (02:07:16):
I don't know if if Dana Brest, We're gonna make
some trades.

Speaker 16 (02:07:18):
They definitely would like to get Jeremy pene in yord
On back because that would be two huge additions, no.

Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
Doubt about it, and Jordon getting close. But Payna is
going to be in Triple A. Sugar Land so hopefully
that's maybe on the next road trip when they head
to Boston and Miami. AJ curious when you look at
this roster considering all the injuries and people go through
that on different teams, but when you look at the
Astros the overall product, if those guys weren't healthy as
we sit today, is this a World Series team?

Speaker 16 (02:07:47):
I mean I did a game a couple weeks ago
and I have the first question I asked for Joe
Spott and they were in first place for four or
five games.

Speaker 10 (02:07:52):
I'm like, how in the heck are you guys doing
this with your roster?

Speaker 16 (02:07:55):
And this is right when Payne went down, this is
no you weord on and he just said, man, we're
really tight, agree and we get it done. Is this
a World Series team? As their constructor right now? I
gotta say no, I don't. But then again, I know
everyone account and gets the Astros because they always figure
out a way.

Speaker 1 (02:08:08):
To write to deep run the playoffs. So I don't
think so.

Speaker 16 (02:08:12):
But if they get your on a Jeremy back and
then listen, Dana Brown's gonna add somebody, whether it's.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
A reliever or starter.

Speaker 16 (02:08:18):
I mean, going to the playoff series, and you have
from or one two. That's a pretty good one two
punch to start any series. You need a third guy,
whether that's Eric getting when he comes back, where it's
somebody go get in the trade, but I would love
to see him get a bat.

Speaker 1 (02:08:31):
Let's not forget trading out also right now. So they
need him back.

Speaker 16 (02:08:34):
But I think they need a bat somewhere, whether it's
an outfield bad, whether it's a versatile utility infield, whether
it's first base. You know you're Christian Walker, you know,
whatever it is, they can help spell him at times
DH when you on has to play the outfield. I
think they need a bat again.

Speaker 9 (02:08:49):
Aj Prazinski Feul Territory TV, former Major leaguer, And you
know we've covered it with you to a j a
lot of jobs, So I'm gonna give you one more
right now. You just mentioned Dana Brown. Let's put you
in the front office mention it. Those bats out there.
Is there a guy or guys plural that you look
at right now and say, man, they could really help
this team.

Speaker 10 (02:09:08):
Fuck No, that's the problem. That's what every team's looking for.

Speaker 16 (02:09:11):
It seems like it's a pitching market right now because
the teams that are going to be sellers generally have
more relievers and you know, some back end starters available,
and they have because the teams that are good have
their lineup and they're set, and the don't want to
move you know what looked really.

Speaker 1 (02:09:26):
Good or Estak Paride. So I guess it's a fair trade. Yeah, gosh,
I don't know, man.

Speaker 16 (02:09:36):
We've talked about this all the time and everyone's like, oh,
you know, Luise Robert, do you want to go trade
for him?

Speaker 1 (02:09:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (02:09:40):
He's not He hasn't done very much the last couple
of years. You just start looking around and you say,
all right, yeah, Jared Gurant look great, but the Red
Sox probably aren't going to trade them. And there's a
lot of guys out there that you just hear rumors,
but there's no there's no name out there where you're like, Okay, yes,
he can change the direction of the season. He can
help us win the World Series because the teams that
are good want to trade their guys, and the teams

(02:10:01):
that are bad don't have those guys that are that
are impact enough to change the course of a season.

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
Hey, Ja, how do you feel normally about you know,
like a Suarez, it would be a rental. You don't
have parades. It's going to be it's more severe than
they thought. With the hamstring right handed, Pop gonna hit
forty five to fifty home runs. Do you are Are
you willing to risk losing a couple of assets that
the that the Astros have a few of them, but
have had to rebuild this farm system for a rental?

(02:10:27):
And I would imagine if you're getting a rental and
you're a player and you're catching for him, that that
rental has to take you over the top. It can't
just get you to the playoffs. Yeah, I was.

Speaker 16 (02:10:37):
I mean, you know, as Is the team is a
guy everybody wants, right, Yeah, so of course I'd love
to have him. But are you going to willing to
pay the price that some team is going to have
to pay a getting away from Arizona right for basically
two months?

Speaker 1 (02:10:49):
That's the question.

Speaker 16 (02:10:50):
You have to wait, that's what you bring him up
because you have he suck parades. But if you bring
in Geno Suarez, yes he'll help you. But I don't
know that Dana Brown is willing to pay the price
it's gonna take because if you look at all the
teams that are involved in in the Cubs and all
the Yankees, I guess are out because they got McMahon
from the from the Rockies. But I just don't know
that it's worth it, especially when you have a guy

(02:11:10):
like kisaw Parides.

Speaker 10 (02:11:11):
It's been so solid at third base. Where do you
played Genos forrez?

Speaker 1 (02:11:15):
Right? And you have yord On coming back? Right?

Speaker 16 (02:11:17):
You don't put maybe first Christian Warker, you heard his
his mental state, because you've got him signed for a
couple more years. It's just it's not I don't know.
People keep talking about this, but I just don't see
it as a fit for the Astros because of what
they have and what they'd have to give up to.

Speaker 1 (02:11:31):
Get him, which would make which would be awful tough.
And if you don't go to World Series and it's like,
well we lost a couple more prospects, and I know
Dan's got a little more base on the Astros. But
let me ask you, I don't know how well you
knew him, but being in Chicago you obviously, i'm sure
had plenty of relationship with him.

Speaker 7 (02:11:47):
Thoughts on Ryan Sandberg, I met him a few times.

Speaker 16 (02:11:51):
I didn't know lest in company, so I stn't enter
mingle him that much. So and he was kind of
a little bit before my time, but I haven't met
him a few times. A great human being, a great guy,
very very gonna be sorely missed in Chicago for the
Cups and baseball in general.

Speaker 1 (02:12:07):
One of the all time great gentlemen.

Speaker 10 (02:12:09):
You know, he kind of beat the cancer thing and
then he popped up out of nowhere again.

Speaker 1 (02:12:14):
So you'll be missed.

Speaker 16 (02:12:16):
Everyone in Chicago loves you, Cubs or White Sox fans.
Just a great, great dude and a great ambassador for baseball.
And it's a sad day anytime you lose people like that.

Speaker 9 (02:12:25):
Hey Jay, and you know, just get you out the
door on this. What did your gut tell you right now?
As even before Thursday comes and goes? How do you
see the aos shaping out when it's all said and
done at the end of September.

Speaker 1 (02:12:37):
Oh gosh, I thought the Astros had it.

Speaker 16 (02:12:39):
I thought when they were up with seven eight games
not long ago, I thought they were like, yeah, they're
gonna run away with this thing. Because the Mariners weren't
in Rangers didn't look like they were going anywhere. I'm
never counting against the Astros. I'm just gonna say that.
As much as I like the other two teams in
that division, I will never ever count out the Astros
until they are dead and buried at some point, because
they always seem to figured out and make make decisions

(02:13:01):
and make trades or whatever it is signings that help
them win. So I think the Astros wi figure out
a way to hold on. Now we'll be close, and
we'll be tight and will be a fundraise for the
fans and a little nerve wracking, yes, but the Astros
will figure out a way to get in the playoffs
and possibly.

Speaker 1 (02:13:15):
Probably win the division.

Speaker 16 (02:13:18):
But man, it's gonna be fun to watch it exciting
because now with Naylor and Seattle and the Rangers pitch,
I just got to see what Dana Brown does.

Speaker 1 (02:13:24):
Let's go, Dana, make that big move.

Speaker 9 (02:13:26):
No arguments here. I was gonna say us and fans
I think feel the same way.

Speaker 1 (02:13:30):
I lied Aj. I said, I was gonna get you
out the door, and I'm gonna keep him for thirty more.
So go ahead.

Speaker 9 (02:13:35):
But I was gonna say, is you know we got
Jeff Blum here in town. We're big fans of Blumber,
and I know that you know Blummer very well. So
what's some dirt on old number twenty seven that you
can share with us?

Speaker 16 (02:13:46):
Well, that's all for yet to hit the home run
to beat you guys in two thousand and five and
the long Dame.

Speaker 7 (02:13:50):
Aj it was nice talking with you.

Speaker 1 (02:13:52):
How's that for a reminder.

Speaker 16 (02:13:55):
But I'll say this, so don't forget he was part
of the Killer Bees at one time. Right, So when
weed you guys in the World Series, they were all
buzzing and when he hit the home run, he runs
in the dugout He's like, can they stop buzzing now?

Speaker 1 (02:14:05):
After a killer beat the home run? Right?

Speaker 16 (02:14:07):
So you know the Blumber as converted to full astro.
Even like two weeks ago we had our twenty year
reunion of that World Series and he was still he
was He all wanted to talk about was the Astros.
I'm like, Blummer, dude, we're here to talk about the
White Sox.

Speaker 1 (02:14:20):
Stop at the Astros.

Speaker 16 (02:14:21):
We get it, you got two more rings with them
by the time we've we've got to turn the page.

Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
Let's go back in time. Stop talking about the Astros.
You love there, you go love it and he does
a great job aj for me.

Speaker 7 (02:14:31):
This is the last one. But you're a general manager.

Speaker 1 (02:14:34):
You know, catchers are always such great baseball acumen and
end up being managers. So be the manager of the
GM or be both for me. And you can't have
Otani and you're starting. I mean, you get the first
pick in a expansion draft from all the teams, and
none of them are protected. Otani's not on the list.
He's the only one that is. Who are you starting
your franchise with one or two guys?

Speaker 10 (02:14:55):
Well, actually there's three guys.

Speaker 1 (02:14:56):
Can can we guess some of them? Can we guess
what you'd say? You go ahead, probably guess I guess? Yeah, Okay,
ones in ones in Pittsburgh, Right.

Speaker 16 (02:15:07):
How'd you get so, Neil Cruz, Yeah, let's see the
ones in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (02:15:13):
Hell, the there's a there's some young hitters. But you
go ahead and tell us and give me all three
for the reason, but you got to go in order,
so I know who it is.

Speaker 16 (02:15:20):
Okay, well Skins because of the way he pitches, obviously
in Pittsburgh, young, durable, gigantic. Don't know if you've ever
seen him, but he's monster. Yeah, and just the way
he throws his arm hasn't taken a huge abuse yet.

Speaker 1 (02:15:33):
Steins would be one for me.

Speaker 10 (02:15:35):
Bobby with it would be two just because of the
excitement he brings.

Speaker 1 (02:15:39):
He can do it all. He plays a preposition.

Speaker 10 (02:15:41):
And the third one I bet you guys won't think
of this is Kyle Rowley. He's in the division. He's
got forty one as a catcher.

Speaker 1 (02:15:49):
Glove. He can win. Yeah, you can win with all
three of those. And damn right, he's gonna put a
catcher in there. AJ's a smart guy. Man.

Speaker 7 (02:16:00):
Six together there. You got to look out for the fraternity.

Speaker 9 (02:16:03):
Hey, Jay, you guys do a fantastic job on Foul
Territory TV. Watch you guys every day after the show,
and really appreciate your time today. And like you said,
I'm sure we're gonna see you here at tik and
Park here pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (02:16:14):
We appreciate you, man, Thanks for your time. You're welcome, guys.

Speaker 10 (02:16:17):
Thanks to you on there in a couple of weeks again,
so you know, I'll have my condo ready hopefully.

Speaker 1 (02:16:22):
There we go, and we'll have your seat ready in here.
But no pressure.

Speaker 8 (02:16:25):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:16:26):
Thanks brother, We appreciate it again.

Speaker 9 (02:16:28):
Appreciate Aj Prazinski foul Territory TV, former MLB catcher, always
got to look out for the.

Speaker 1 (02:16:34):
Catch, no doubt. And you know what's true, the first
two guys one or two of the three that I
would have said, I would have probably thought, you know,
whether it's Kurtz or somebody else, is the three guy
since you can't have Otani or a healthy Okunu is
pretty damn I mean there's a group of those again,
you know Sodo, but I probably wouldn't have had cal
Raley in three. But now knowing Ketcher and Power and

(02:16:56):
what he's done, I think we still don't give cal
Raley the credits because you know, with the way O,
Tahani and Judge play now, but cal Rawley does it all.
He's not going to steal forty bases. But AJ's right
and I like it, and that power is extra help
behind the plate. That's good stuff by him, and he's right.
We're all waiting for Dana Brown to make that big

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move and at Aj, like you said, second home.

Speaker 7 (02:17:18):
Here, and he does a great job in calling the game,
absolutely does.

Speaker 9 (02:17:21):
If you missed any of that, you can go to
the free New and Improved Diheartradio app be able to
check that out. So I really appreciate AJ's time. One
thing though that he did mention and it is something
of are we on watch right now when it comes
to this with the astros. We'll discuss that here. It
is a Tuesday on the Seawn Salisbury Show, Sports Talk
seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (02:17:41):
Oh have we played it?

Speaker 1 (02:17:43):
Brit Blum?

Speaker 2 (02:17:44):
At hey, it's Jeff Blum.

Speaker 1 (02:17:46):
You've got more, Sean Salisbury.

Speaker 2 (02:17:47):
To pick gup. Barry Leftog on Sports Talk.

Speaker 9 (02:17:51):
Seven ninety Home of Your Stros, and he was talking about,
you know, just moves that will be made Dana Brown
last night in the booth with TK and Blummer. Speaking
of Blummer and he had mentioned the next day or
two last night, so you make the moves to bring

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back Jacob Melton with you know, John Singleton getting DFAYE
and then also deciding to not bring back Luis ki Yorman.
He clears waivers in the elect free agencies. So now
the roster I think sits at thirty nine if I'm
not mistaken with with Melton coming back from the ankle.

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So I mean there's at least a spot open for
you know, the astros to make those moves yesterday to
feel like, all right, well, then we might feel like
we're we're in the red zone in terms of being
able to make a move right here.

Speaker 7 (02:18:46):
Are you concerned if it gets too hot that some
will happen to Melton?

Speaker 1 (02:18:50):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:18:51):
I see what you did there?

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
You did, don't you? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:18:53):
I just I was just making sure you trying to add.

Speaker 9 (02:18:56):
Let's see nine twenty four, so we made it almost
three and a half hour before that.

Speaker 1 (02:19:00):
Yeah, I don't need him Melton in the infield, no,
or the outfield on a base. You know, I was
just checking making sure you think he's here going in truth?
Are you talking about Melton? Yeah? I mean, what was it?

Speaker 9 (02:19:11):
I can't remember I heard this line yesterday. I can't
remember if it was in the game or if it
was on one of our shows. I guess Dana had
had the line of he would lose sleep at night
of Jacob Melton being somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (02:19:22):
I would imagine he would, right, maybe not. I'm sure
some of those deals do keep you up at night
wondering the ones that are the good ones you're like,
I'm so excited, and the ones that the hope deals.
Why I hope this one works out? Because we had
to part with a pretty good player. I'm just curious
of what the wish list is going to be for him,
and are you willing to part with him depending on
what it's going to do for your own ball club.

Speaker 9 (02:19:43):
It just seems like at this point you can't necessarily
be closed off to very many deals. I mean, I
do think that as much as they coveted Cam Smith,
he's probably one. I mean, obviously Altova hater guys like that, like, no,
you need those guys, but I mean outside of them,
and I understand too. I've seen it on there about

(02:20:04):
Jordon Jordon Alvarez is not getting traded healthier not so
he's not getting traded great.

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
I'm assuming let's remove the pictures from it on the
everyday players Jordon, Payni and Altuve. You're not touching them
and Cam Smith after which you had to give up
in what you stood in line for to get when
you let Tucker go. Other than that, now, are they
willing to part with a Melton or a Matthews? I

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get it. I'm just talking about the guys who were
the fixtures on this organization, and I mean, you never
say never, but I don't think you're fielding calls on Jordon,
I don't. I sure as hell don't think you You're
never fielding a call on out to a matter of fact,
most people won't call on Altuve because they know he's
a lifer. I'm sure somebody would inquire about Payinya not
happening this year, and then Cam Smith, I'm sure they'll

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inquire about him, but you're not parted with him either.
Other than those four, I think I think if I
don't know, if you'd go anywhere but you with the
catcher and the kid from sam Houston State in the
minor leagues, and if I'm an opposing team, I wouldn't
do it. If I'm I'm actually inquiring about one of
the two I am if if there's some a piece

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of everything you know you can't get out to ve
Paena or or a guy like Jordon. If I'm calling
knowing the success keratinis had, knowing the future that I
think we all think jan Or Diaz has. Aren't you
making the call when you call and say, well, there's
a piece that i'd like involved in this? I would,
especially if that's a position, and that is a premium position,

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as we well know, defensively. And if you get cal
Rawley's pop, will God bless you so? For me?

Speaker 7 (02:21:42):
I would Now, I don't know, but I'm talking about
the untouchables.

Speaker 1 (02:21:46):
Paynya. You're not taking calls on him, unless, of course
it's one of those guys that give me the equal value,
then that's not happening. You're not taking calls on jord On.
You're sure he'll not taking calls on al Tov. And
I would doubt very seriously that cam Smith is up
for sale either when it comes to trades. But other
than that, where else is the sacred cow? I'm I'm

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not talking about Hunter Brown. I'm not talking about Pitching staff.
Hater's not going anywhere either. I'm talking about just everyday
players other than those four. Isn't everybody at least aren't
you at least listening depending I.

Speaker 9 (02:22:18):
Mean you even heard what AJ said too about that
there's more availability of arms out there. I mean, even
somebody call about Bennett SUSA, or about you know, even Brian.

Speaker 1 (02:22:27):
King, or if one of those guys gives you a
bopper that you think, okay, we can live with because
we've got maybe a better surplus there. Maybe maybe, But
i think AJ's right too. We live here and crave
the right handed power, and now that third base has
got a little bit of a gap there right handed
power from Suarez and Geno. But the problem here is
is he's right. Not only is it a long line

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to stand in what you're going to have to give
up that won't just sting, that may need stitches in
your cut, that will keep you up at night. And
so I'm not sure you want to do that for
a rental. Now, I don't think there's one, and they
may still pull it off, but I don't think there's
any doubt. And he's right about okay when Paradis comes back. Now,
if you thought Paradis was done for the year because

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the hamstring was tore off the bone, you may have
to make this move.

Speaker 9 (02:23:13):
Well, I mean that's the thing we I mean, you know,
to go on Sunday without saying it two days.

Speaker 7 (02:23:19):
But it's without saying it. It sounds like that's a
real possibility.

Speaker 1 (02:23:23):
There's no doubt because he said it was with more
severe and the news isn't good. So minimum of a month,
you're being September before you see before you see him,
because that when when if this is no longer a
hamstring strain. This is more severe than what originally thought,
so the Soirez thing, but you are getting him as
a rental. The question now, if Suarez had another year
on his deal, or you knew that that Preatus was

(02:23:45):
out for the year, that's the time when you may
say the thing's gonna hurt. But at least we're going
all in. But but where if, if, if Paradis does
come back, you're not going to DH and you need
his batman lineup every day, meaning Suarez, if he was here,
he's not gonna play the outfield, So it's d H
third base, first base. So if Walker's getting paid all

(02:24:06):
that money, you're gonna play him. We know who the
DH is. And when he plays left field and Gino
goes from third, then and if al two Bay is
not playing second, i'd like him in on. It's weird,
but there's not a lot of space for him if
everybody's healthy. But if you know Paratus is out, he's
got to be at least you're calling. You're calling Arizona
more than once to see how long the line isn't
and how much desperation there is out there to get

(02:24:28):
a guy who's gonna when we all said and done,
he's going to be in the high forties or fifties
when it comes to home runs this year.

Speaker 9 (02:24:33):
No, Dana and the crew are working the phones. He's
sold us even since May that they've been making those
phone calls. So we'll see if maybe one of those
is accepted. John Brandon, See guys right there, you want
to join in seven one three two one two five,
seven ninety. I do want to get to the Demico
Ryans thing too before we get out of here in
the final thirty minutes before we hand it off to
the Matt Thomas Show with Ross. So we'll do all

(02:24:54):
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Speaker 2 (02:26:29):
The Sean Salisbury Show continued.

Speaker 9 (02:26:33):
You know just a guy that's I mean kind of
like we were talking about earlier of you know, you're
known from many different things. Oh yeah, hell of a ballplayer.
That sounds like Ryan Sandberg was one of those guys.
So definitely gonna miss uh, gonna miss Rhino for sure
as he passes away again at the age of sixty five.
Let's get a couple of you in here before we

(02:26:55):
get to the Dimico stuff some one three two one
two five seven ninety. John Fresno wants the weigh in. John,
Good morning, Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (02:27:03):
Guys?

Speaker 17 (02:27:04):
Hey, Normally I would say it go for but in
this case, I'm not getting rid of my young players man. Uh,
Cal Smith, Bryce and Middleton did them, guys. I'm not
gonna get rid of my young player for no rental
just to get their well championship, because there ain't no
guarantee we're gonna get there and that I'll stick with
what I got I showed keep my youngsters there because well,

(02:27:26):
you're gonna sit them off somewhere else so they become
star somewhere. No, I eat the If I have to
eat this year, I eat this year. But I'm not
getting rid of my young players for no rental that
I may or may not keep next year and they
may or may not give me to. I went on
the crew to come back.

Speaker 2 (02:27:44):
They still in the first place.

Speaker 1 (02:27:46):
I'm not gonna push the pennant, but I'm gonna wait
on the crew to come back. But I will not
get rid of my young players. That's all I got. Then.

Speaker 7 (02:27:53):
I appreciate the call, John.

Speaker 9 (02:27:55):
I mean it kind of with John talking right there
reminds me of when the Astros pulled off the Kendall
Graveman trade, and it's who they made the trade with,
And I remember the Mariners players at the time were like,
all right, look, we're upset enough that you traded them,
but we're also even more upset that you traded them
to them, because we're trying to compete with them, like
we're trying to beat them, and you just made them

(02:28:15):
better and made us worse in return. But I mean,
I think Sean that more than anything, that Dana Brown
is going to have to try to pull off here
because he might get skunked. He might not bring anybody
in before Thursday's deadline. And if that's the case, do
you run into a similar situation that Jeff Luno ran
into in twenty seventeen where you got Dallas kicicle in
the clubhouse saying, Hey, I thought we're going for it here?

Speaker 7 (02:28:36):
What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (02:28:38):
I often wonder, you know, we have this this dilemma
of least I do struggle with player empowerment and you
just you're a player. You go be a player. We'll
take care of all the business side of it. And
then there's the part of me that says, okay, in
a situation like this, when you look around, you got
to be there. There's that slippery slope of addressing a

(02:28:59):
team and saying, well, we need help, because basically you're
looking at the guy and saying you don't belong up
here without saying it, does that make sense? So there's
that slippery slope of I don't want to say hurting
the feelings that seems too soft, but of just kind
of basically telling your team that the guys we have
here is more minor league than Major league at the plate.

(02:29:21):
So you got to guard against that. The other side
of it is there's that part of the player empowerment
where you're not fooling the players. They know who's struggling
and who isn't. And do you the two vasa do
you address them say guys, I'm gonna do everything I
possibly and kind of do or do you do it
through the media like in an interview with channeler Roma
when Dana comes on here with me or he's on
with with the you know, with the guys over the

(02:29:43):
weekend with you know, with the Sparks and the radio
broadcast of the TV side, does he what is he
saying to us that says okay to get the message
out right so the fans here in the media heres
and his teammates here, or do you you say, you
know what, We're going to do everything we can to
load you up and have you, you know, get you

(02:30:05):
ready because you heard one of the players in Cincinnati
was talking about arm us with more the players do know?
And then the question is in cincinnati's played good baseball recently?
Do you arm them with more? Do you let them
know that that's what your goal is? But you know,
I don't think you have to in this situation because
I think you're always trying to upgrade your roster, so
I'm not sure you owe the players, like, hey, let's
sit down, we're going after this because in the process

(02:30:26):
of telling the al two v's and those guys helps
coming with our injuries, but helps come via the trade deadline.
The dudes that are tweet ers are like, well are
you talking to men exactly? So that there's that there's
that fragile slipping account, right yeah, okay, right right here.
But in truth, the ones who are trade a bull
that aren't untouchable know who they are and don't know you.

(02:30:49):
Just that's part. That's the hard part. The unknown about
being a professional athlete is like I think I hear,
but I don't know. Can I be thrown into a deal?
If you're melting, You're like, it's a compliment because they
love me both sides, but it's also what a bummer.
I haven't got a chance to do all the things
I want to if I get traded. So there's that.
But yeah, I think that they probably do know. And

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your job as a general manager, simply and as an
organization is to give your team. It's not to make money.
That is the ultimate job.

Speaker 7 (02:31:17):
But you don't.

Speaker 1 (02:31:17):
That's not how you approach it, and that's not how
this team's approached. The job is to arm your team
with everything possible to go win a championship. I ain't
telling al Toovey we're reloading because we want to build
for four years from now. He don't want to hear that.
I'm trying to win now, and that's exactly what I'm
trying to We've done a hell of a job and
they've made a point of the grit and resilience of
this team. But you are trying to upgrade. And every

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player in the league knows on each team that Gino
Suarez a third base is an upgrade on most teams
because of his power, or if you were able to
convince Pittsburgh that you'll trade seven hundred players for Paul
Skins to get you get my point right, People know.
But if he doesn't pull it off, Dan, I don't

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think it'll be from lack of trying. Because if that's
the case and people are complaining, you go back and say, oh,
you wanted to get Suarez, well, you'd have been playing
in Arizona, or or six of these cats would have
been or four of them would have been somewhere else
and you get him for two much So now I'm
shifting the pressure back on you. Now we did get him,
and one of the guys who wondered why we weren't
upgrading is now playing in Arizona. And now I'm putting

(02:32:22):
it on you. Guys, you wanted a player, I gave
him to you, But we had to deplete four other players.
So what are you going to do now to get
us to the So there's that part too. I think
everybody knows you're trying to upgrade, but there's also a
part of man. And when we say mortgage or franchise.
We've seen that happen with fire sale teams in the past,
that they're doing it to get young players. But as

(02:32:44):
a team that needs that one guy, and there's no
doubt you can use power, But are you willing to
what are you willing to give up to get the investment?
The roi's got to be worth how much money you
put in on the front end, meaning what players you're
given to get the guy who's supposed to take your investment.
Buy low, sell high. Right, That's all and it applies
to baseball too, But there are certain guys that are

(02:33:06):
gonna even if you thought, well, maybe do I have
to buy higher just to share fact that who the
players and how many people and teams are interested in
and a guy like him you're gonna have to sell.
You're gonna have to buy a little higher than you
wanted to.

Speaker 9 (02:33:19):
Well, I mean, it wasn't the players last year, but
it was the fans. Sure pissed a Dana about come on,
man bloss Low Berfdo and Will Wagner for this guy.
And you don't make the playoffs if you don't have
that guy.

Speaker 1 (02:33:30):
And five starts in you're like, oh, I get it.
And then the postseason comes and it can happen in
lairs the postseason game. It wasn't Kokuchi fall. He did
his thing. We just never got to see the full
end of it because we ain't to see him pitch
in the postseason. But I can tell you this, if
you thought at the as it was rolling along, I'm
telling you they are not. They don't get a chance
to be eliminated in two games if Kokuchi's not here.

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Last year, it's a fact they went in. They gave
him up, and it told the team that we're going
to get a left handed guy who will pitch better
here than he did in Toronto because of they just
do that here. He developed and started using some other
pitches more and next thing you know, the guy was
pretty lights out. And then now the ancients happened. But
you knew going in there was a good chance of that. So, well,

(02:34:11):
that's a risk you take on a on your road
to a championship because that G word guarantee. There's only
G with one G spot. Well word, there's a guarantee.
Uh no, pud intended. Well yeah, but you know what
I'm saying, there's only one of those jesuits close to
a guarantee, and it ain't the guarantee that some guy
comes in here is gonna make the trade. The other
one may be there. You go, well, it's not even

(02:34:32):
this man. I'm just stick the landing because it is
a fact. There you go, it is a fact. Right now,
All the ladies go, yeah, yeah, yeah, fine, that spot.
That's right, the arms are up. You stuck the landing.
Now it's up to the judges in that case. There
you go, yeah, yeah, but the Russian judge WI probably
give us like a seventh.

Speaker 9 (02:34:49):
Fourt watch out for them, Prick you know, we'll take
care of them after the show. But anyways, mentioned the
Demico thing because, uh, there was something said yesterday that
I understand what he's saying, but I also just think
that the messaging is awfull. Let you hear from him
before we close up shop here on a Tuesday Sean
Salisbury show Sports Talk seven ninety, we want.

Speaker 2 (02:35:12):
To win, Sean Salisbury continues on seven ninety.

Speaker 9 (02:35:16):
You know, maybe week one is in in doubt if
he's going to be able to play in the game.
And Demiko was asked about said report yesterday and he
had this to say, tripley. If you've got the audio
cued up, we'll throw to it right here. This is
Demiko Ryans when being asked about said report.

Speaker 18 (02:35:32):
Nothing's changed with Joe. Joe is still working, you know.
In the background, I know we get reports about Joe.
Nothing said. He's still working. Whenever it's time for Joe
to be back, he'll be back, right. I know a
lot of people want to report a lot of things
about guys and injuries.

Speaker 7 (02:35:47):
My thing is this is, are you really concerned about
our guys?

Speaker 1 (02:35:51):
Are you really just trying to get something out there? Right?

Speaker 18 (02:35:55):
And for me, I always put my players. He'll think
safety first and foremal So I care about the guys.
So you guys don't hear me talking a lot about hittories.
Their personal information's working through that and it's nothing to
report or or get in an uproar about like our
guys are working. And that's it's always sensitive to me
because I've been there, I've went through this, so it's
not just to report something to report something like on

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people here who truly care about our guys. I care
about our guys and what they're doing throughout their process.

Speaker 1 (02:36:24):
And it'll continue to be that way. All right.

Speaker 9 (02:36:26):
A few things here. Number one, I understand what Tamiko
Ryans is trying to say there. You know, you want
to stick up for your guys, you want to protect them,
all of those things. That's all finding good. He also
doesn't have to report injuries right now, so that's part
of it is you can have a little bit of
that game rule kicks in during games, sure, so I
mean you don't have to to give away more information
you need to, the last part about it is it's

(02:36:48):
not the it's not the media's job and it's not
our jobs to worry about the guy because of an injury.
It's not like he has cancer, Sean, he has a
foot earned ankle injury. That that's what he's dealing with. Like,
that's one of those where when I heard that, I
was like, that's classic deflection. And I understand, Oh, we
you know, we have all the information, all the things

(02:37:09):
that Tamiko said, but come on, man, like I'm one
of your biggest fans, but get a grip here.

Speaker 1 (02:37:15):
Well, I'll tell you what happens. Dan, just on the
other side. So the point counterpoint, and I get exactly
what you're saying, and I don't I don't disagree. But
as I've told you before, like when we've the injury talked,
we're talking baseball, right, players and coaches will always protect
those guys first, right, And even if it doesn't fit

(02:37:36):
like what you're saying, basically the answer didn't really fit
the the injury or the situation, right. But and another
thing that happens is so I get it, Dan, and
don't discount this. How many days we started been in camp? Now?

Speaker 7 (02:37:51):
Well is it five?

Speaker 1 (02:37:52):
I think? Yeah? Remember I told you after about day
three to all players of day four, you start the
soreness and the tired starts. I'm quitting. I'm retiring now.
And you know how many times I've retired in my
ten year career, About every week and a half. It's okay,
I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna guy, but I'm gonna go
practice morning between now and the afternoon. Prectice.

Speaker 7 (02:38:12):
I'm quitting and then guess what.

Speaker 1 (02:38:14):
Then you get you get back up and keep playing,
and you do it for ten years or twenty years.
It's the way it is. Don't kid yourself. Coaches get tired.
Real quick story. We're at USC John Robinson's our coach,
and we're practicing. We're about four or five days into
two days my freshman year. Go out to practice, as
we always do. You stretch the morning practice going out

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there about you go through stretching lines, and you go through.

Speaker 7 (02:38:40):
Pre warm up and all those things.

Speaker 1 (02:38:41):
About forty minutes into practice, Coach Robinson calls us all
m M f us, tells us how bad we're practicing.
And you're looking at I saying we really weren't practicing
that bad, right, You're like, guys are tired your beat
down because in college, when we do one thing about
Coach Robinson, we were physical. We practiced hard, so we're
going through practice in forty minutes and like, wasn't that

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bad of practice? He kicks us off. The said, coach,
you get your ass out the field. He goes, don't
you dare talk to these players, and you know what
lunch is at this time, there will be no afternoon
means you'd be back out here at three thirty. And
then walking in, I'm looking at one of my buddy,
Scott Tinsley was a quarterback too. He goes speech number
one oh five, meaning that's happened in the past. So

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we're walking in, you're nervous afresh, and why are we
getting kicked off the field? You know what? His coach,
Robinson was tired too. You know what His method with
the madness was, get these guys off their feet, get
them in there. We weren't having a bad practice, but
it was his method to get your well rested coaches
stay away. Coaches needed a little afternoon nap and guess what,
guess and guess what inevitably happened at three thirty in
the afternoon practice lights out practice the psychoacology. But it's

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real quick with Demiko. I think it comes down you're
a little tired, you're protecting your players, and there's that
little irritant because you know Joe's hurt. But the truth
of the matter is mix and will post. And that's
probably another thing is you're not go anywhere, You're gonna
be fine, And Joe's not gonna practice anywhere. I'm not
giving him any carries anyway right in the preseason. I
don't need him to carry it. But it also Dimico's

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got to understand then if he's not out there and
he's your star running back, you do have to at
least address it. They've got to ask the question. But
it's just the irritation. It's part of you're tired. You're
into camp and people are trying to get their stories
and rightfully so, and he's got a job to do
so I get it. We'll see if he retease that
answer today.

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