Astros Lose Post All-Star Series to Mariners, Isaac Parades Placed on IL, Texans Training Camp Hype, Scottie Scheffler Wins U.S. Open

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You said, okay, let's do this.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Shawn Salsbury to usc troph longtime friend, Shawn Salisbury.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Dan Matthew, excuse, this is the Sean Salisbury show.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
Backwards glance at second, Mellow one two, and Smith rifles
a pretty deep to right center. Campzone is racing back,
looking up, and that one hops off the wall. Racing
around third now and coming home is humbled right behind him. Wham,
throw of the plate not in time to get humbled,
and Wickham is in as well as the ball was
dropped by Garver in the second.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
With a two run double camp.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Smith, we're tied at three, pitched by Woo and Walker
hits it well and hits it day till that failed,
and you can cass it goodbye.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Head of the Astros bullpen.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Christian Walker's thirteenth home run of this season gives the
Astros a four to three lead.

Speaker 6 (01:03):
One to two.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Tremael belts it deep to right field and you can
kiss that one goodbye.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Second home run of the inning for the Astros, this
one Curtisio. The former Seattle Mariner, Taylor Tremmell his second
of the year, five to three. Houston the one zero
and Crawford lines this one toward left center field, racing
toward the gap. Honoell can't get it. It goes past
him on his way to third. Master Bony, he's getting
the way to throw home by dubon the slide safe

(01:32):
Mastra Bony just beat it in the second base, Goos Crawford.
Astro's lead is five to four. I think he might
be out. Astros are challenging the safe call at home.
I thought it was out, Robert. It was an excellent
relay by dubon call it. Hopefully calling field didn't overturn
the runners out.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
FU retain your childe nicely done.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Taylor Trammel with a fist pump as the Astros come
up the field two one to a rose arena and
he hits it high in the air out to left center.
Trammel and McCormick back fighting the sun a little bit.
Tremmel makes the catch up against the wall and that
is the ballgame. The Houston Astros pour it on against

(02:18):
Seattle and win the finale of this three game series
eleven to three. Astros lead in the AL West is
now four games as Houston ms a three game skid.

Speaker 7 (02:30):
Much better, much much better. We like results like that
a lot more than the first two right out of
the All Star breaking with that, we say away we
go in good morning here on the Seawan Salisbury Show
on a Monday. And it did not start out very
well yesterday, Sean, but then the astros finally said, hey,

(02:52):
I mean I understand now We've got sixteen guys on
the ale, with Estac Perettis being the newest one with
the hamstring issue but still able to put up crooked
numbers and able to back up their starter Hunter Brown,
who again a little bit of a struggle out of
him with the command, but all in all finding a
way yesterday. And that kind of has been the calling

(03:14):
card for this team this year, hasn't it been?

Speaker 6 (03:16):
It sure has, And for them to hear you're not
getting anything. You getting me in your ear? Okay, Yeah,
I got you? Yeah he clear, Okay. He's been uh
for a guy. His struggles are probably somebody else's really
good performance at times, right, but to be able to
cut his way through it and the frustration of games

(03:38):
one and two and we're sitting there hanging in your prediction, man,
you would have had a standby stand on business if
they'd lost all three and you say, and they are
not winning the division. Oh, I was sending toes down.
I was ready to go. Are you still there?

Speaker 7 (03:49):
I feel better now, And I know that some people
are going to say, come on, Dan, it's one game,
but being up four as opposed to being up to
that's a major difference.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Yeah. I uh, I've got some concern do you I
am you know me. I'm a glass half full guy. Well,
of course you're concerned. You went into the weekend concerned. Yeah, listen,
I bullpenned back at it yesterday. But there there there's
been a little bit of hints of not being as

(04:17):
lights out as we expect. Now, that's listen, when you've
been that good this year, maybe it's unrealistic expectations from
us starting pitching has been they've gutted it out, but
it hasn't been oh my gosh, lights out. Does that
make sense? Sure? And we've got to they're going to
have to decide what to do with mccolors.

Speaker 8 (04:36):
Right.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
So he got two and two thirds two and two thirds.
I think I don't think he got through the third
inning to the I mean he got I think he
got an outer two and the third inning, and no,
that's exactly right. I'm pretty sure. And I just you know,
they you know, Castillo went in there. What they were
four hit on Friday night, the long Bowl in there.

(04:57):
I mean it just and I understand they had a chance,
but you know, you spike a ball into the ground,
you give a team another chance. And you know, that's
why I always say when you get to extra innings
or you get too late in the game, you can't
let a team. You got to start to distance yourself
because one blue pit, one spike in the ground and
a runner scores I think it was a Rosa Raina
who came around to score it. Those things, That's why

(05:20):
there's got to be some latitude and leeway in there
where one run or one solo home run doesn't kill you.
And they haven't been able to distance themselves enough this year. Yesterday,
different stories. So yeah, walking out of there with a
sweep would talk about a concern. Down to two games
and another injury, Yeah, there's there's got to be concerned.

Speaker 8 (05:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
Getting McCormick back obviously helps you depth wise, but losing
pret is so I'm anxious to see. But you know what,
Dan we're in a position kind of like we this
is kind of like what we thought going in. To
be honest with you, this year, little struggles that played
up and down. See it sounds different. Yeah, okay, that's
I was making So I thought it was different. It

(06:02):
sounds a little different in a year that's okay, no problem, brother.
So it just but this is kind of what we expected,
you know, injuries and losses, the free agency, that they
were going to have their struggles at the plate, and
then with all the injuries that we didn't realize other
than the ones that were there, but the ones that
have happened during the season. This it's not a surprise
that this is going to come down to what we've

(06:22):
expected right late. I mean, you know when they get
down inside thirty games every single series you're watching and
it means everything, but you'd like to get to the
point where those don't But a four game lead sounds
a lot better than a two game lead, but you
also realize you're a series away from, you know, a
four game series away or two three games series away

(06:43):
from being that gap closing. So hopefully that that win
yesterday springboards them into a different level of confidence and
once again, somebody else is going to have to step
up and do their thing and starting pitching, you know,
grinds it out and the bullpen's been good all year.
A few hiccups, but it's still going to be at
the plate. You're going to have to give us what

(07:04):
you gave us yesterday if you want to survive this.
Because we've said the burden for a pitching staff to
care aunts just it can be overbearing. And we've expected
a lot and we've got a lot. The question is
how much more can you expect the rest of the
season of them, you know, dominating their opponent. And you
know this is the way baseball works out, and you

(07:24):
don't have the leeway in this division with some good
teams and good pitching, with all the attrition and injuries
to get a comfortable lead where you can take a
deep breath. There's no deep breast to be taken the
rest of this year.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
Getting it done at the plate needs to be more
of the rule than the exception.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
Right now, and it's been the exception, and so with
Sunday and exception as it starts. But how many times
we said, okay, maybe that's the kickstart to the next level,
and then you'll go two games without it and you'll
get one mixed in kind of average, and then you'll
lose three to one and get four hit. Yeah, like
I said, as a glass half full guy, trust the
team because they're resilience helps me realize exactly. I mean

(08:01):
put it this way, the history of it, and they're
resilience and what they've done in that grit that Dana
Brown talks about has held pretty true for them. So
if you're going by that, you got to trust it.
But how much more can you take at the plate?
How much more can you take from a two you know,
two and two thirds inning? How much more can you
take of injuries before the world catches up to you?

(08:22):
And I mean we're talking about resilience to another whole
new degree. So after the first two, you know, one
got hand man handled, two was close, we got beat late,
and they're used to winning those late games this year
for the most part, especially within a run. But when
you get to the tenth inning, you saw what could
happen and then then they take care of their business.

(08:42):
And this has kind of been who they've been at
the plate this year.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
Yeah, And I mean guys like Christian Walker, janer Diez,
some of the other guys that you've looked at and said, hey,
need a little bit more out of you.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
I mean, hey, hatsup? Where a hatsups?

Speaker 9 (08:58):
Do?

Speaker 6 (08:59):
Christian Walker?

Speaker 7 (09:00):
It's the guy that guy jump started yesterday and even
Saturday night too. I mean, he gets a huge base
hit extra innings didn't work out, but still, I mean
he's able to help you out there. And then Taylor Tremmel,
I mean another guy. I mean, how many of these
guys are Dana going to find? I mean it's seriously well.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
I mean for the same disdain people have about the
injury explanations, which he's not a doctor, but I know
one thing, he's really good at evaluating talent and in
the as a GM and personnel department, he finds him.
And imagine without guys like Tremmeel and the Cam Smith
who listen, you didn't expect him to be doing what

(09:39):
he's doing this year. You expecting flashes of it, but
you know, and as a rookie, you're going to go
up and down at times. But you start to think
about all those other guys we've discussed doing some of
the things they're doing. Yeah, that's part of listen, it
should be easy to find the first rounder. Who I
always say in football the first round, Well, the first
round are panned out, well they should, that's why we draft.
I mean all in the case that your suppose it's

(10:00):
when an NFL got drafts a fifth round it becomes
a Pro bowler and you're saying, oh, either everybody missed
out or we're really good at developing players. And it's
the same thing here. I mean, you find another guy
and it's not going to be a Laskay. They're going
to have to find a step their game up. It
just isn't. I mean, the way this season's gone, you
can rest assured that somebody else that's a regular everyday
guy is going to have a hammy or a hip
flexer or something and miss a series of games where

(10:22):
somebody's gonna have to move positions and play every day
or you know, step their game up. And that's exactly
where we're at with this team. And it's going to
be this grind the whole season. It just is well,
especially right now too.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
I mean, as I mentioned, East sak peretis the newest
astro to go on the IL yesterday Dana on with
Robert Ford for his weekly visits and not exactly painting
a great picture for Jordan Alvarez. And I mean, Jeremy
Painey is not even with the team right now. He's
over in Florida, so I would probably have to guess
at the end of the week he's back with the team.

(10:54):
And then Dana didn't roll out the fact that he's
going to need some sort of chance to be able
to get his timing back. I mean, are you talking
about now paint Oh yeah, and then Jordon too. I mean,
you're not just gonna be able to Hey, all of
a sudden, he's starting to hit live pitching and then
you say, hey, he's he's good. You don't put it
put him back in the lineup like he's going to

(11:14):
need a week or so.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
Told you weren't sniff and either one of them before August,
and you think you're sniffing Jake Myers before then. It
doesn't sound like it either, because he's been in Houston rehabbing.
Went in doubt er on the side of longer. When
it comes to the team, I mean they they have
done a good job of not speeding people along. Now
with the Jordon thing when we say, well, when he's
ready to go, they'll go. But that's not speeding on

(11:37):
what we're talking about. Ninety days. You're talking about three months,
so it's been a it's been a PA and then
there's no guarantee when he comes back what it's going
to look like. And so if if those things, I
mean you think by August first you're seeing these guys,
the answer is probably not. The question is when will
you get him in August or if you will, and

(11:57):
at what point in time if Jordon's not feeling better
or getting the answers you want or the health that
you want, or the pain threshold that he can deal with,
when do you get to a point or is there
no point you'll take him for a postseason? You say,
do you shut him down? Or say, you know what,
We'll wait till the postseason. We'll get his bat and
lineup in the postseason, which would I'm sure other teams
would fear if it was Jordan doing Jordon things. So

(12:19):
there's a lot to deal with. But the truth is
you can only manage the people and that they're playing,
and nobody cares about the excuse, and we would neither
of the people here. You just don't there, I mean,
and they're not making them injuries happen. And you still
got to line up and play a Buck sixty two.
So you can line up play Bucks sixty and get
your ass kicked, or you can line and play Bucks
sixty two with other people and prove that the departments

(12:41):
scouted the right people and you got right people in there,
and you expect them to do what they always do, elevate,
and that's what they've done. And fortunately they got out
of this one with one. Because one in eight of
your last nine doesn't sound good. Two and seven, well
it doesn't sound good. Sounds better. And now they're still
on the road. What Arizona. Now Arizona is one four
straight yep, Arizona, and they're playing better and they're in
a mold. Do do we are we shipping people? Are

(13:03):
we buying or selling? Because we got some talent. Then
they've got a handful of talent that people have talked
about that people are gonna want. So they've got to
decide as well. Two teams, like I said in National
Amyriorica Red Sox and Arizona come trade deadline. Keep an
eye because there's been both well, they're staying in and
gonna gonna buy, and then they're all both of them
are gonna sell because they just don't think they're championship

(13:25):
caliber teams. We're gonna find out what their belief is. Heck,
we even got players in Cincinnati saying, hopefully these wins
and what we're doing. I think they beat the Mets,
who have one of the better home records in the league.
They've beat the Mets, and their own players are saying,
see if the ownership and management will go get players
to help us through the second half of the season.
We'll find out what that what that says in Boston,

(13:45):
Arizona and here as well, which is the most important
for us.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
Yeah, I mean the Brewers just swept the Dodgers over
the weekend, so now they're tied with the Cubs for
the lead in the Central I mean it's again what
I've said where you need to move the trade deadline back,
because I mean, you just you have so many of
these teams that are exactly in that.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
Same mold middle of augustin yeah, I think you need
to do it middle of August. But then, but the
trade deadline, then aren't you at a point where you're
not You're not if it's a rental, you're not getting
enough out of it. That's my only thing. I get
what you're saying. But if it's a rental, if you're
renting somebody and it's a month later, like late August
first to September, damn, you really got to decide if

(14:28):
you're going to rent then, because you're really only getting
them for what four to six weeks if your fortune
to go to postseason longer, Yeah, you're not getting them along.
So that makes it. That makes it tough. I like
it now because it makes your team urgesy. Hell, I
was going to go the other way. I was going
to say, make it a week after the All Star
Game where you've got I mean, it makes those guys
forces their hand sooner. I do like what you're saying,

(14:49):
But as a as a front office guy, I'd be like, no, no, no, sooner. Hell,
I got too much to worry about. I mean, later,
I can't rent this guy for six weeks and give
up three prospects for him. So I get why they
do it, but it's a it makes you. I mean,
there's a lot of thinking that's going to have to
go on in the next two weeks. For a lot
of organizations that are either on the cusp or that

(15:10):
are out in front, they need one extra player. Would
I tell you, I guess who the leading candidate is
for Class A, the Dodgers. Oh yeah, that talks about it.
There's no doubt. And why wouldn't you You spend all
that money, might as well keep spending if you if
you think the closer can get you over the top,
if he moved, don't be shocked if it's there.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Yeah, And I mean the Tigers last night helping out
the Astros with the Rangers starting the surge a little
bit and they finally snap a six game losing streak.
So it happens other places. It's not just here in Houston.
Someone three two and two five seven ninety the number
to get in seven one three two one two five
seven ninety. You know how I mentioned the rules and
the exceptions, Well, I need one good week, just one

(15:50):
good week.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
Explain what I mean? Right here?

Speaker 7 (15:52):
It is Sean Salisbury Show on a Monday, Sports Talk
seven ninety.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Salisbury.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
I think a signature event. If I'm not mistake the
at and t and then you want where he's never
won there and he's never been good on the West
Coast for the most part. Then he win the you know,
Players Championship. I think that's after Augusta, isn't it? Or
is it before? No, it's before, it's before because he
went before. And then you win the Masters and complete
the career guy and Slam, and you're going to finish
second in the Player of the Year voting. Scheffler's been

(16:28):
at no time since we've seen them at their best.
There's only two guys I can remember, and you know,
since Jack Nicholas. Even then the competition of Palmer and
those guys gave it trouble. But since Tiger and listen,
it's premature to call him Tiger. But he's on a
really good career path that form majors before he's thirty,
and the way he plays and his priorities all that.
And I told you last week going to this did

(16:50):
the Open, that the guy who wins the tournament will
be at the top of the list in iron play,
meaning hitting greens. He was number one and number one
in putting. And if that's the case, I guess what
the at least going into yesterday, and I think I
know iron play coming out of it.

Speaker 8 (17:05):
Now.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
He made a bunch of putts, so I'm sure it's
said the same same way a bunch of fifteen footers
at times at safe par too, the guys just dialed
in and there's there's you know, somebody you'll be staying
with your buddies on their t box, and somebody who's
played a golf course before, a caddy that you have,
will say, you know, you want to come in on
the right side on your drive because you'd have a
better angle to the pen right. And as an amateur,

(17:26):
you know, if you're a ten twelve handicapper, you're like, well,
I'm just trying to hit it in the short crass right.
I'm not real sure if it's going to go there.
You tell that guy, hey, there's a hula hoop three
hundred yards away in the middle of the fair way.
I need you to hit it there, and he does
or with an iron hit it. He doesn't make many mistakes.
Somebody does. They don't fester. He doesn't. And even though
yesterday took a double bog, he still wints a bout
what four or five strokes the guy what damn near

(17:48):
watched every shot the four days he took. He he
is when he's playing like this. The last time it
was like this. And they're kind of different on the course,
but they're both similar. There's not a lot of small talk,
you know. I think Effler now a little bit more,
but he's not a big yapper on the golf course.
And Woods was a guy that would just you didn't
talk to. He would stare you down, try to intimidate you,
and it worked. And then his game was when you

(18:09):
were the best driver, best iron player, and best putter
in the world, well it's pretty good. Now Scheffler will
drive it pretty well, but in the top ten and
distance and all that, he's not going to finish. And
that's the guy who hits at three hundred yards. Yet
none of those guys he put it this way. He
treated a five iron for him as like some players
playing with an eight iron. That's you know, how close
he hits it. And in watching him in the way

(18:32):
his everything, the routine, everything about him, I know, they
all go through their routine, there's just something different. And
when Rory McElroy and Xander Schaffle and all the great
players are just sitting back admitting that Tommy Fleet would
they played great golf, and they're admitting that really when
he's act good, the admiration they have, he's just playing

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at a level that those guys here's McElroy, as good
as there is on the planet. And if they're both
playing their best, you're really playing for second place at Scheffler.
And then you guys are playing for second place. And
that's why it was this time. He just plodded along,
kept hitting greens and kept hitting fairways, and kept hitting
and even when he missed a fairway, he knows when
to play it out, when to go for a green,
when not get short sighted. It's fascinating, it really is

(19:15):
to watch him play golf. Even if you don't like
the sporter, if you're bored, you're watching the best of
the best of the best. I mean, you're you're watching
a guy that he doesn't get the same pub and
he'll never is never going to change the game like
Tiger did, increase purses and all that that was for
Tiger's done. He took an unpaved road and made it

(19:36):
a ten of twelve lane wide highway. But Scheffler, when
it comes to dominance the feeling you have going into
a tournament that when he's playing good, you got to
the Vegas has to rank him first all the time, right,
He just you just gotta he just got to be first.
And then we'll see what happens. If he plays average golf,
he'll finish seventh, fifth, You'll yes, you're like, man, he

(20:01):
didn't play very well, miss law putts. Where you fining?

Speaker 8 (20:03):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (20:03):
He tied for fifth finish seth oh, he played good golf.
What do he want? He played great golf? Well, he
dominated the field. So it's just it's pretty impressive to watch.
And you know, the crazy thing about is some guys
who played great regular golf. When I say regular, don't
play links golf great. He doesn't matter for him. He
just knows how to play. And he and his caddy. Hell,
his caddy's making more money than a lot of the

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PGA Tour players that are in the top one fifty
with the money he'd make with this guy just keeps winning.
So yeah, it's fascinating to watch. And that just that
walk up. The crowds at the at Royal Port Rush
were nuts and what a great feeling for McElroy. To
do that, even though he lost. That's got to be
really cool that every putty made there him in the
cheers and everything that was going on. But Scheffler's Scheffler

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is in a whole different world. And that's saying something
to a guy who's already won a bunch of times
in McElroy this year. But mclroy, as good as he is,
even when he's playing at his best, in Scheffler, he
can't beat him. Shefferyl beat him by three strokes when
they're playing their best. Seventeen time winner on the tour.
Four majors now two of Augusta, one PGA and now
the Open, which his best finished at the US Open,

(21:10):
tied for second in twenty two. He he's at a
different level and he's just he's he's just doing stuff
that you're that like I said, when you're at when
you're playing average golf and there's the field's still concerned
about you with you and you're in five or six
strokes and I wonder if you're gonna go one of
those heaters and shoot sixty two. But his, uh, his

(21:31):
his performance in these majors and when the club, when
he went into the turn with the four or five
stroke lead on Saturday going into Sunday. It's like, dude,
the guy could play the five iron and putter and
get around the course and probably just par them all
and you'll win. And he would have. So he's, uh,
he's he's he's different man, and he's built different and
it shows, and it's got to be pretty cool to
be him. And he's gonna wake up today and you

(21:51):
know what, probably take a day or two off and
guess what'll be doing practicing right back at it, hitting
five hours of bunker shots and we're sitting here wondering
why we can't hit out of a bunker. You play
for twenty minutes out of a bugger. There's a reason
some guys are different. And he puts all the work
in and then his priorities are seemed to be in line.
So congratulations to him. And I'm just I'm actually when

(22:13):
I watch him play golf, I'm it makes you want
to get out of your chair and go practice twenty
hours and we can't be that good, But how do
you get better? And I guess, rense and repeat. But
it's pretty cool to watch him as he's getting somemself
tuned up, which is going to be one hell of
a Ryder Cup this fall.

Speaker 7 (22:28):
It definitely will. And they're going to play that at
Beth Page. So that's going to have the New York
crowd part of it too. And we talked about that.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
Last night, wind blowing off Long Island and a brutal test.
Now it may not be as brutal as it was
at the US album, but it's going to be Ryder Cup,
So it's going to be They're going to test your metal.
When that thing was at the US Open there it
was it was the USO. Yeah, I mean, I mean
that was just in the wind, you know, and then
the last one that they played it, of course, I
mean that they're all tough. But remember when they played

(22:56):
it in South Carolina. The what was it called the
uh the War by the Shore is what they call
the Ryder Cup in Kiawa Island right there. And I've
to anybody who's ever played that course has said when
the wind's blow, and there may not be a tougher
course on the planet than the one there, but Beth
Page ain't far behind. And we saw Oakmont, and if
you thought Oakmont was tough, Beth Page is going to

(23:17):
be tough as well.

Speaker 7 (23:18):
Well, mot was to feel like us open play right.
Oakmont was tough for Wyndham Clark too. Yes, and they
even told them, hey, that that locker you you dinged up,
Well guess what you're banned from Bushwood, sir, right, But if.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
You but also the open and if you'll pay all
of it, would go see us an anger management person,
maybe do some some not charity, but would they say
some volunteer work or whatever, and then you're then then
you're back for reinstatement. And Kevin Kisser made a good point.
You know that locker room, those pictures, that's supposed to
be sacred. That's a guy's place. So the key is

(23:52):
who took the picture. That doesn't mean that doesn't mean
that he wouldn't have apologized, but take care of it
behind closed doors. Go to the you go to Oakmont
and say, listen, I screwed up. I couldn't control my temper.
That's about the third time it's happened this year. I
got to stop this. I'll get help. What do I
got to do? Pay for it? And then you know,
maybe tip the entire clubhouse people even more to say sorry,

(24:12):
I put you through this. He's got plenty of money,
and then turn around and make a public upon all
the things public. But that should have been handled in
private because locker rooms. You don't see guys taking videos
of people during practice at the locker rooms in NFL
or clubhouse, you just don't. That's their place. Doesn't mean
you won't find out if somebody did a little due diligence.
But in truth that Wyndham Clark should have been able

(24:33):
to take care of that with Oakmont in private, without
that picture saying man, I screwed up, because somebody would
eventually told Oakmont and he would have needed to him.
He should have done it himself. So hopefully it'll get done.
And I know he's got some remorse in him, but
he's just got to learn to control his his say
with him. When he gets crazy, and he played great yesterday.
When he goes crazy, what happens is is it his

(24:53):
game gets a little suffering. When no what's his name
Terrell Hatton goes crazy, he like burns eagles the next hole.
But Clark's talented. You don't ever want that hovering over
your head. Go play and tip the hell out of
all the people that were your clubhouse people that day
and the locker room attendants again and say listen for
me putting them through this stress. But the fact that

(25:14):
somebody put that picture out there, that's their place and
you should never do that because when they say, well,
it's a public tournament, yeah, but that's a private setting.
And Wyndham Clark needed to work on that. So we
know he was humiliated. Maybe it'll you know, embarrass him
into watching future, you know, because it a couple of
big tournaments this year. He's letting clubs fly in the
rest of He's got to get that under control. And

(25:35):
I would imagine I would imagine Keithan Bradley's taking some
of that into account because Windham Clark's a hell of
a player. But will will he make the Ryder Cup
team and would he be selected? But he hasn't had
a good year, so I would doubt it this year.
It's not been a great year for Windham Clark.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
Take care of the Clubi's yep, that's the rule, and
respect what's not yours. Yeah, yeah, both of those and
the Ryder Cup definitely heightens the emotions, that's for sure.
Let's get back into the astra conversation because they won yesterday,
but is that a sign of coming attractions or was
it just a one off?

Speaker 6 (26:07):
We'll talk about it here.

Speaker 7 (26:08):
It is a Sean Salisbury show on Monday Sports Talk
seven ninety. The seven to ninety listener line in the
six o'clock hour is brought to you by one eight
hundred car Cash and Sean. I mean, we saw the
lineup yesterday, even without Zach short or then you put
Shay Whitgumb in the lineup over at third base. You've
got Cooper Hummel out in left field. You've got Mauricio

(26:30):
Dubon playing at shortstop. You've got Taylor Tremmel out there
in center field. And I saw somebody on Twitter throw
this out, and I mean, it's it's so true. Is
this is now getting more shades of the early twenty
tens when you saw this team put together a roster
and you're like, who is this guy? Who is Justin Maxwell?
Who is Brett Wallace? Like who are any of these guys?

Speaker 6 (26:54):
Dan? Think about? You just named four guys that were
not starred as Dubond's a close thing you have to
a star, and he's not a regular everyday starting weren't
even well.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
I mean, Dubond was in the league, he was with
the team, but right, most of these guys weren't even
in the league.

Speaker 6 (27:06):
But think about there are four games up and you
just named a bunch of guys that you'd say, oh,
these are the guys that are playing when there's a
day off. That's what it is. And then you add
a rookie in right field, you add a backup catcher
who quite frankly, is nobody's backup in my opinion. I mean,
I'm saying he should be out yng but that bat
in the lineup every day. How many teams, like I've
told you the trade deadline would not call. Wouldn't you

(27:28):
call if you needed a catcher? Now, if you're the
ass is, you're like, nah or wrong team to call.
But he's a really good player. So you start to
go around and start to think about what they are
going to the bodies Now, and you mentioned Whitcomb. I
mean you're talking about four or five and counting the
right fielder. That's five or six people a day that

(27:49):
you're lining up with that you that were not Kartini
not a starter. Cam Smith was not supposed to be
on this roster when he opened spring training and something,
well how long is he gonna last? Well, he's to
stay not going anywhere. So you start to look at
the roster and you say, how in the hell are
they doing this? And they say, okay, must be just
with they must have five studs at pitching. Well they

(28:09):
got two at the front and then three, four and
five have had their moments of goodness. But it is
well pointed out by Channelerome looking at the metrics of it.
They're five hundred team basically outside of Fromburn Hunter Brown.
And then a hunter goes and they're fortunately, see what happens?
You allowed your you four innings by your starter, a
guy that used to giving you six plus and they

(28:31):
score what eleven or twelve runs? Just was eleven or twelve?
They get to twelve yesterday eleven? There you go? Isnswerr right?
I I would probably when you when you start to
think about the pitching staff and what they've done, is
it overachieved with the guys beyond at times they really
have the starting pitching and we know what the bullpen's about,

(28:53):
But can you continue to get four and five inning games?
And then if you score eleven runs. You can. That
was the advantage. Your starter doesn't go great, your ace
one of them, at least he doesn't go great, yet
you still are able to even after he struggled to like,
oh my gosh, if he's not going into six er,
so what's gonna happen? Bullpen gives you good, gives you

(29:14):
really really good work, and you score eleven runs. Those
are the games I'm talking about, Dan, We're a two
run homer, what have you? Doesn't bother you. That's the
distance you're going to start the need At times, the
question is can they continue to produce not eleven runs?
But imagine what the what the difference would look like
if you were averaging five and a half runs over
a certain run for a month, it'd be pretty cool.
So they've got a burden they're going to have to

(29:36):
deal with and carry around, and it's not getting any
easier since you lost what has been your most consistent
player not named Jeremy Paney. But that's healthy in esak
pretis and we'll see if it's just ten days.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
Yeah, now that's that's the one that as soon as
you saw he went out of the game on Saturday,
you're just like, oh, no, like there's some guys that's
I mean, you're at the point now you can't lose
anybody else, like you need to start adding some of
these guys.

Speaker 6 (30:04):
Chances impossible, not impossible, but not probable. And you're right
when you lose someone getting back, but the chances of
somebody else not missing for a minute. You know as
well as I do, Dan, that that's slim and fat
shut or slim and none.

Speaker 7 (30:18):
I mean, it's getting to the point here where I'm
almost expecting that you're gonna get Christian Havier and Spencer
Arraghetti back before you get Yin or Jordan and Jeremy
Penia back.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
Uh does that a look as far fetch as you
would have thought it was a month? You know, we
just saw this last weekend. No, And as sure as
that wouldn't surprise you about twenty twenty five baseball season,
would it an injury? So here's the problem. If some
of these injuries last longer, somebody else gets hurting, those
other guys are ready to come back in the next month,

(30:51):
that now what what it's the burn and we can
no longer say, oh, it's a long season. Are are
we pass that yet? Yeah, where do you get the
what do you call the stretch? Run? What do you
call the stretcher? Now, don't they call winter dog days?
August or July?

Speaker 7 (31:06):
We're cycling out of them now we're getting into August.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
Okay, so that's I've heard people say, yeah, you know,
run into August. It's the dog days now dog days
to me or mid June to mid July. Is that
about right? That's sure for me, which is what we're
in the middle. That's exactly for me. Just maybe we
tied it into other sports because not a lot going on.
Maybe that's what we call the dog days this summer.
For them, those guys are traveling, it's baseball, baseball, baseball
all the time. To me, when you get to August,

(31:33):
it's no longer. Hey man, it's a long season. Hang
in there. It's you can see the light flickering at
the end of the tunnel and you can sounds cheesy,
but I believe that's a fact. I do. So, like
when we talk to Dana and Steve Sparks, while it
is you don't have there's not a lot of luxury left.
Four games is not enough to take too many size
you get because you know how that we've seen it.

(31:55):
You're two and two and seven the last night there.
It's but everybody's feelings, not just them. There's a lot
of teams that are feeling it. When you get some
Dodgers get beat. Like I said, there's gonna be frustration
that rolls around a lot of teams. The problem here
is some of the frustration you can't control because they're injured.
It's not just poor play at times for some franchise,
it is here it's who's next, who's up next, next,
man up mentality, which is so overused but so true,

(32:18):
And here we are. It'd be nice, it'd be nice
to wake up and say, man, Payna, Myers, and your
don are all back next week. Yet you don't have
one one in particular. You don't even have a two
week area where you think they're coming back. It's it's
so unknown. I think that also concerns fans because the
unknown always drives us all crazy.

Speaker 7 (32:40):
Ninety three different lineups used by Joe as spot of
this year.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
How many games ninety nine? Okay, so that six times
you've had the same lineup. And Joe told us specifically
when I asked him about it at the astros Fest
fan fest. He did not It was a I think
it was one hundred and forty plus last year different lineups,
he said, I do not want to do that this year.
Not only are they gonna do it, they're gonna beat it.
That they are going to beat it because if they

(33:04):
go five more, that's eleven. That would mean one hundred
and fifty one different lineups, and I think that's probably
the miss. So even if you go six and six,
that's one hundred and fifty different lineups. If you're fortunate
to go the rest of the season and only do
and have six times with a lineup, is that what
it was supposed to be at the beginning? And now
with all I mean, you could see it being different

(33:26):
all the time because of injuries and people coming and going, yeah,
that's not the way you want to go about your business.
Which is a continued tribute to this team about how
Joe A spot is mixing and matching and trying and
trying to find another puzzle piece when there may not
be one. It's crazy.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
And I got a hunch we're gonna see ninety fourth tonight,
so we'll get into that a little bit.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
You can almost guarantee that right now, there you go.

Speaker 7 (33:47):
It's pretty much a daily occurrence now with this team, Ronnie, Andy,
see guys right there, you want to join them? seOne
three two one two five seven ninety. Again it's seven
one three two one two five seven ninety. Don't forget
Steve Spark's going to join us eight o'clock for his
Monday weekly visit. And also too, you know, as a
mention with that lineup notes and one good week.

Speaker 6 (34:08):
That's all I need, one good week.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
I've teased it earlier, explain it here on the Shawn
Salisbury Show. On a Monday Sports Talk seven ninety, The
Shawn Salisbury Show continues. No, no, now, you know, let's
work Ronnie in this morning, Ronnie, good morning, Good.

Speaker 10 (34:28):
Morning, guys. Got a couple questions. I was intrigued by
the recall of John Singleton, even though you know, I
don't know how much he's gonna play, because Salazar has
been on the roster for three months and hadn't seen
a lick of action. So that must mean that Jordan

(34:48):
is really not that close to being able to contribute.
I'm tired of mccullors, you know, great admire the guy
for wanting to try, but either find to DFA and
I don't know how much money they owing either or
else work out some kind of a deal where he
could go down and work on.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
Stuff like they tried to do with jose Ah Brau.

Speaker 10 (35:10):
And I'm hoping that Whitcomb can stick up here and
maybe contribute a little more because they thought he was
going to be a contributor at some point, and I
hope he can.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
Be appreciate the call, Ronnie. With McCullers, we'll just start
with that. He's due seventeen point seven the rest of
this season and next year, so I mean you're pretty
much stuck with him for the next year and a half.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
We all love what he's done here, and we all
love a comeback story. If the playoffs started tomorrow. I
can't run him out there. No, I can't put him
in the bullpen. And I cannot run him out as
a starter. Yeah, he's not even on your wrongster. I can't.
He's not a third starter. He's lucky if he's a
fifth once in a while, he's like the spot six guy,

(35:59):
and as a down the road in less a change
of venue or less the next off season, would we
say a lot with him. Okay, next year, he'll be
better unless he starts to find command and throw more strikes.
Lance mccullors can't continue to start for you yet. But
if you're only going to get two and two thirds
in three innings, and it's a hope situation, we hope

(36:19):
that he's better, don't you have to lean on somebody else.
I let me tell you even more, we talk about
left handed power. Even if Jordan's not playing the rest
of the year, I still have to go. If he wasn't,
let's just say he wasn't, I still got to get
a third starter. Dude, I'm talking about a lights outstarter

(36:41):
since I can't. I don't know when the other guys
are coming back pictures. It pains me to say, because
I don't like not even quitting none. But I got
major doubts I at home or away. I know he
struggled at home, but he struggled on the road. If
the playoffs started tomorrow, there is no way I can
start him in a playoff game. I just can't because basically,

(37:04):
you're telling me it's basically a bullpen day. That's that's
basically what you're telling me. Giftsco give us two innings, dude,
we'll get out. And right now, that's that's about all
you can count on from him. And like I said,
he's had moments twelve what the one game where he
had twelve strikeouts in a walk. He We know he's
got stuff, but I also know there's a lot of
potential with athletes in the world in different sports that

(37:29):
if they can't hit a green and boh oh, man,
the guy's a great driver of the golf. We can't
hit a green. Well, he's in He's won seventy fifth
on the money list. Is Lance mccullor's right now is
not a starting pitcher in Major League Baseball. He's just not.
He has stuff to be a starter and be a
dominant player, but we keep making we just got a call,
Like we see, you can't count on him right now

(37:50):
on the mound. You just can't. So it's either you've
got to move him and get a gun. And I
understand what's going on with all these injuries, but right
now now he's just a guy. I can run anybody
out there to do what he's doing right now. And
that's I hate saying it. It's a fact. You can't
you can't. I don't know about the future, but right

(38:11):
now for the betterment of your team or as you
move forward if this continues there, You're right, he doesn't
sniff a postseason roster right now. It's the numbers game.
If you had healthy players, Lance mccullors wouldn't sniff a
start unless you went to an extended, extended rotation with
somebody banged up for a starter. He trying to get
him rest. You just can't. And you know he may

(38:33):
go out his next start and then throw three hitter
for seven innings and strike out ten. He's got that ability.
But you said the more it happens, the more you're
saying that is the that's the outlier. That's not the routine.
He just he's not. You cannot. You can't run him
out there right now.

Speaker 7 (38:49):
Thirteen and two thirds innings were handled by your bullpen
on Saturday and Sunday. I mean, that's to your point.
That's asking those guys to do a lot of extra
legwork and soon enough those legs might give out.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
Keep doing that and you roll into September and now
we're looking at and then people are gonna say, man,
why is the bullpen tired? Well, we see, and it's
hard to criticize Hunter Brown for how good he's been.
But when he's given you four in you went on
and one scored a lot of runs, but you're not
counting on that. That's like, oh man, we're getting three

(39:22):
more innings arrest when Hunter Brown pitches, and when you
do that, now it's an extra day spent when you
didn't really want to spend it exercise and bullpen. I
just there's got to be some changes. And I don't
know how you continue to run him out there because
you can't tell me, oh, yeah, he's doing some good things.
Lance is having a hard time throwing strikes and getting
people out. Well.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
I mean to your point too about Brian Wu yesterday,
he wasn't great for Seattle, but he still goes six
innings for you.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
I mean that's what you need.

Speaker 7 (39:48):
It sucks to say with Fromber and Hunter right now,
but I mean that's pretty much every time they go
out there, you look at him and say, hey, quality outing, Yeah,
we need it out of you.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
Okay, if you're real quick, Dan, if you're making and
this is I think we all know how people feel
about Lancema Colors his path. What he's done here, but
it's been a we're going on two plus years now
where it's been a bit of a struggle. So when
do you when do Why do we keep saying, oh, yeah,
next year, Ornick? At what point in time do you say,

(40:16):
this just isn't working anymore?

Speaker 7 (40:18):
Not for seventeen point seven, I mean, what, you've lost
that benefit of the doubt when that happens. I'm sorry,
but like when you're getting paid that type of money,
there's expectations. And when people say, well, he's coming off
an injury, well, if he was still bothered, which one, yeah,
not only that, but are you running him out there?
Then we're all assuming he's strong and one hundred percent healthy, correct, Sure,

(40:39):
So I got to judge him like a picture who's
never been hurt. I can't give him a full year
haul pass on being injured. And it's just and I
hate to say it because I know he's valued in
this town and I hold him in high regard, but
I also know that we'd be lying to ourselves and
we said, man, running him out there gives you a
real legitimate chance to win.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
I don't think so. I think no matter who he's facing,
you almost feel like it's a mismatch right now. Well,
I mean the first spot and them a couple runs
and a couple of innings right off the bat.

Speaker 7 (41:06):
Well, I mean that's what he did the other night too,
So I mean you just you're seeing it play out.
So hopefully they can find some link out of some
of these guys. And that might mean aj blue ball,
that might mean Miguel you loola in the interim, I
can get two.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
Innings out of anybody, all Right's just just the cold
heart facts. I can get two and a third or
two and two thirds out of anybody. You got two
innings yes day out of Caleb Ord out of anybody.
You don't get that out of him yesterday. You're not
winning that ball. You can fall into two innings. As
a major League baseball pitcher, you can fall into You
may not be great, but you can fall into two
and two thirds. He's got to be better.

Speaker 7 (41:37):
Well, in the question about one of the guys too,
that we didn't have a chance to get to here,
we'll talk about him here.

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Speaker 7 (42:30):
Astros eleven three winners yesterday salvage game in that series
in Seattle against the Mariners eastsak Paritis the newest astro
on the IL with a strained hamstring in Texas training
camp going to start up on Wednesday as they are
getting closer to the twenty twenty five twenty six season.
Someone three two, two, five, seven, ninety is the number

(42:51):
to get in Showan. I can't remember if I mentioned
this off air, I've mentioned it on air, but watching
the game yesterday and yeah, I mentioned it on air
because we had said that only six times in the
ninety nine games that you've had the same lineup, but
ninety three different lineups this year for Joe Espada, and
you're gonna get the ninety fourth tonight because with the
writing Gallon going for Arizona.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
You got John Singleton up here.

Speaker 7 (43:14):
Now, I think you dh Singleton and you have Victor
Krrattini as your catcher. As it is right now, the
way that Yaner Diaz is not swinging the bat. I
mean he did get an RBI sack fly yesday, so
that's not nothing. But I need to rely more on
Victor Carrottini than I need to rely on Yanar Diaz
right now.

Speaker 6 (43:33):
Yeah, I as many at bats as I can get
Victor Carrottini in any way I possibly can. I'm doing it.
I just have said it all. I've been stif. I've
said it for a year and a half now, but
I've continue in this year. That guy's not a backup
catcher in the league. He's just not. That guy is
not a backup catcher in the league. The guy is
a starter. He just happens to be with the future

(43:55):
and the expectations for Janar Diaz. But in truth, right now,
let's just say for the hell of it, Salosar was
catching for a second and your season was on the line,
and you had both Krotena and Yiner Dias in the dugout,
and he had to run somebody up there to get
a base hit late in the game to extend it,

(44:16):
or your season was over and it was one of
the two guys you're you're sending Victor Carrotini the plate,
and it's right now, it's it's not even it's not
even a question. That doesn't mean he's a better player
overall in long term, but the way the trust at
the plate right now, you would you would have to
send Victor Carrottini to the plate. Jiner Diaz is your starter,

(44:38):
and he should be, but that doesn't mean you can't
do everything you can to get more at bats for
a guy like Victor Caroten. But that's how I if
the season was on the line and you needed one
win on the last day of the season and the
score is tied with a runner on second and it's
the bottom of the ninth at home and salos are
like I said, he wouldn't be it the last game.
Is you get my point? The what if and you

(44:59):
say we need we need hit, Oh well, Sean, it
depends off the left of your righty. Well, Victor Kroten,
he's a what switch hitter? I'm sending him to the plate.
If you of those two right now because I trust it, somehow,
some way, that ball is going to be put in
play and you're gonna have to judge you. But what
we know and Carotene, he's a great guy to have,
but damn, what a luxury for us and what a

(45:21):
bummer for the for him that he gets to be.
You're part of a luxury, but is a plague every
day because that's one hundred and fifty day guy, one
hundred and fifty Game of Year guy, hundred forty five.
He's that good, especially at the plate. So I uh, yeah,
you're gonna see another new lineup tonight and it's gonna
you know, it's gonna be one hundred and fifty new
lineups and when the season is all said and done.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Yeiner swung in a pitch yesterday that was in the
middle of the left handed batter's box, in the middle
of it. Like I was like, dude, like you're not
even guessing at this point, You're just saying the hell
with it.

Speaker 6 (45:54):
Here I go. The key is he's he's It's like
a quarterback that premeditates coverage walked in the line scrimmage
and you're you're premeditating. They show you, man you know
it's man and or they show you zone uh and
you know its zone and you still treat like man
ball comes out and you didn't need to or the
opposite as true as it. You're like, I know, and
you're not even reading the coverage. You walk to the line,

(46:15):
scrimmers say I'm throwing it to this guy no matter
what the coverage is, and they roll somebody over the
top and you still throw it and it ends up
an interception. You still got to. You still got to
see the coverage. It's the it's this same thing here there.
There's no different with the uh. With the baseball side
of it is you start guessing and it looks like
Yiner dias at times, is you know, And I know
a lot of players guess, but not only guessing, but

(46:36):
guessing out of desperation at times. So you got to
You still got to see the pitch, and you still
got to read the coverage of your quarterback premeditating any
of that. Oh, I'm expecting curveball and the guy pumps
ninety eight by you, or I'm expecting fastball when it's
O two and all of a sudden, the guy runs
one two feet outside the play non competitive and you're
waving at it. Yeah, it's it's tough. And Keratini right
now looks to me like I can trust anything that

(46:57):
you thought him that he'll at least give you a
hell of it.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
And then I mentioned Christian Walker doing good thing yesterday.
The home run gives you a lead, which after that
you never look back. So that's good to see. But
I mean he's another guy where it's you're so short
handed right now that there is no choice. Those guys
have to factor for you.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Oh there's there's there is no question. And like we say,
when guys like that, you look around and say, I
still got to elevate because of what's going on, and
they're counting on me, and you got to take on
that responsibility. And the truth of the matter is that's not
a bad thing. It's not a bad thing. And then
you got to shoulder it because in truth, who's the
biggest power bat in the lineup right now? It's walkership

(47:38):
that's right now. So essentially with apparatus, you have to
continue to you that that's the responsibility as a professional
that's been a league long time. That's an accountability and
profession and a responsibility you have to accept and then deliver.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
Yeah, well, I mean he did yesterday. You just would
like to see it more consistent out of him. And uh,
maybe it will start well, I mean, and they're gonna
need it going to a place he knows well and uh,
Chase Field for this series, so hopefully he is able
to do some good things in this series against Diamondbacks.
Someone three, two and two five seven. Now let's squeeze
in John on the northwest side. Good morning John, Hey.

Speaker 8 (48:11):
Good morning guys.

Speaker 12 (48:13):
Hey.

Speaker 13 (48:13):
One is a rumor, but there's two things. First off,
I hear that the Ashers are projected to assigning Cam
Smith to an eight year, eighty million dollar contract extension.
And then the second thing is the rumor that I
like hearing is that the Ashers are going to make
a run at Ryan O'Hearn from the Baltimore Orioles.

Speaker 8 (48:37):
I'd love to see them get him here. That'd be
a good left handed.

Speaker 13 (48:40):
Bat for us and hopefully wouldn't deplete the farm system much.
But I think that i'd love to see them make
that move as well. So I was wondering what your
thoughts are on those two things, or if you've heard
anything more about that as well.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
So that's it all right.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
I mean, John, I've not seen that Cam Smith rumor
that you just threw out there.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
I got news, I got it. Yeah, he would you
say it was John? Eight years, eighty years eighty I've got.

Speaker 8 (49:06):
Eight year, eight year, eighty million dollar.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
I'll be honest with you. If I was Cam Smith,
I would not take it because in about three years
he'll be highly underpaid at ten million a year. Oh no,
I don't know, but I can out they said, hey,
three years it's at forty million. Maybe you consider I'm not.

(49:28):
I can't imagine. First of all, I can't imagine they're
even thinking about that right now, considering he's halfway through
his rookie year, a little past it. But eight years
eighty million, if I was him and his agent, no,
no disrespect, but I would smile and laugh because that'll
put him push him thirty. Yeah, that'll be on the
cheap side. You're not ten million a year. He'll be
getting cheated out of about twenty five twenty million a

(49:49):
year by the time if he's a cent continues when
it's time for his contract, he'll he'll be taking a major,
major pay cut. If he did that now, Well, it
looks good on the forefront. There's no way that he
could take that right now. I wouldn't if I was him,
No way.

Speaker 13 (50:03):
Yeah, I agree, I mean, I agree.

Speaker 8 (50:05):
I would love to see the action pull it off.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
Oh yeah, Well if they did, that'd be the biggest
bargain they've had in a long time, because if this
is sent continues, he'll be laughing at eighty million for
eight years and about another year and a half, no doubt.

Speaker 13 (50:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I got I saw the article, like.

Speaker 8 (50:20):
I think was Newsweek in the MLB section. They were
talking about it.

Speaker 13 (50:24):
And uh, it's not Friday, and so you know, I
just made a note of that and uh and then
again like the Ryan or Hearn thing too, I'd love
to see them pull that one off.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
Yeah, I think that's more. I think that's more feasible
than the eighty minute. I think about that because I
have heard his name being mentioned as a guy as well,
so interesting and as an All star as well, So
that'd be good. Appreciate John, great stuff, John, I always
appreciate you. But it yeah, I don't know. I mean,
like I said, I didn't see that, But if if
that did happen. You can't if you're if you're camp Smith,

(50:54):
you got to you got to get rid of get
over the instant gratification for what's to come. That'll be
a high raise for him. Eighty million dollars won't be enough.

Speaker 7 (51:02):
No, I'd say fifteen per then we can start talking.

Speaker 6 (51:05):
Yeah, and not for that long. If you're him, you're like,
why would I take myself to thirty years old? Damn near?

Speaker 8 (51:11):
Right?

Speaker 6 (51:11):
Was he twenty one? Right now? Twenty three? Oh he's
twenty three, Okay, So that would take you into your
thirties before you get your next contract, and they'd be
making on an average of ten million a year. Oh no,
at that point, Tom with awake, think about what the
salaries are going to look like in eight years, two
twenty two, So he'd be right at thirty. Think what
they're going to look like in three years. No, he

(51:32):
would be if he's this good times becoming a veteran
and getting better. Oh, he'll be laughing at ten million
a year at this time next year, Like, I'm not
taking ten million a year.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
No, he's already to the point where it's if my
annual salary doesn't start with a two in front of it.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
Yeah, then I'm cheating myself and there's no and there
is no rush right now. You don't have to worry
about that right now with his situation. But that'll be
and I know a lot of them are saying, eighty million,
how can you turn it down? Well, he can't because
ten million a year on average would be that that
that's we're paying average players at at times, or you know,
just a guy who's a who's not an everyday starter
in a he's on an assent that we're we're gonna

(52:11):
be talking a whole he's on the ascent that if
this continues, you won't be able to afford him when
his real contract comes up.

Speaker 7 (52:18):
Yeah, it's uh, you know kind of that that fine balance,
and that's what the astros at times have tried to
fight and at times been successful with. So Cam Smith
one of those other guys that likely you're gonna have
to make that decision on here sooner.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
Rather than later.

Speaker 7 (52:32):
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Speaker 7 (54:34):
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Mariners in Seattle and East Soak pretis newest astro on
the IL with a strained hamstring. All right, Sean, so
concerts you know we all go to them all the time,

(54:57):
just Evince in general. But it seems like concerts recently
have kind of been the events that starting to draw
the ire of the consumer out there. And I found
this on OutKick. OutKick readers respond, how much is too
much for concert tickets? Because Paul McCartney, I guess, is
going to go back out on tour. And I don't

(55:18):
know if it's Paul McCartney and Wings or if it's
just Paul McCartney plays the best of Wings and the Beatles,
whatever it is, but sir Paul McCartney is out there
apparently three hundred level tickets six hundred plus dollars to
go see Paul.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
I guess if you love him enough and you think
that that's going to change the course of your life,
you spent six hundred bucks, so you go with two
or four people and it's a twenty five hundred dollars.
I mean, you say the same thing, But in truth,
is it worth going to the Super Bowl and sitting
watching it and spending seven eight thousand dollars on a
Super Bowl ticket or ten grand?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
For me?

Speaker 6 (55:54):
It's not. I mean, I understand if you haven't been
to one and it's your team and you want to go,
But I start to think, are you going to the
thrill of being there? Okay, when you go, people say yeah,
I got my ticket stub, and I say, I guess
the the what's the word? I'm looking for the feeling
of nostalgia? Twenty years later of now, do I wish
I'd have gone to a led Zeppelin concert when they're

(56:15):
all alive and together? Sure? I do, But I personally
as much as I you know, sports is great, and
I love going to a concert and spending money. And
I guess if you have enough money and it's called
you've saved for that, it means everything, do you go
for it? But I don't under I can. I can
listen to his music. I don't know. It's hard for

(56:37):
me to decide because I've spent money money, I don't know.
Frivolous is the right word. But on stuff do you say, well,
why would anybody do that? You already have a set
of golf clubs and you spend a fifteen hundred more
on a new set, and you just got a new
set six months ago, but you want the newest version
of the driver or whatever it is. I don't know,
I guess to each his own, but I'm not spending
six hundred dollars to go watch Paul McCartney a concert.

(56:58):
See the most I've I've ever seen? Am I spending
five thousand dollars to go watch the Super Bowl? Right,
even if it's my team in it?

Speaker 7 (57:04):
The most I've spent game concert anything like that. Twenty
nineteen LSU at Texas, we didn't have tickets for the game,
and then guy holding up to hey, how much five
hundred a piece?

Speaker 6 (57:16):
And I was like, okay, I've been there. Yeah, okay,
I'll do it. I've been there.

Speaker 7 (57:21):
Then went to the ATM, drew out the cash, gave
it to him, and I mean the guy you know
also too, was like, you know, here, just so you
know the tickets are gonna work. I'm going in front
of you guys. You guys are sitting next to me, right,
And I was like, okay, so.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
Sure enough, okay, you spent five hundred, so now McCartney
and then right and you have the opportunity togeah, there
you go. They're a good guy and honorable. There you go.
See you can go watch LSU play every year. This
what if it's McCartney does this, and he never does
it again. So for somebody who loves McCartney six hundred
dollars worth and you love LSU football five hundred dollars worth,
I get that to me and I'd spend I listen,

(57:57):
if led Zeppelin was back and we could do it
and they a ridge And you say, Sean, would you
pay fifteen hundred dollars a ticket to get good seats
and go? The answers yes, the answers yes. Now would
I do that for a game every day where you
spend two three hundred bucks? I wouldn't. There would be
nothing you could do. And if I was a billionaire,
the you say, Sean, two tickets will cost twenty five

(58:19):
thousand dollars for the super Bowl, I would not do it.
And well, Sean, if you're a billionaire, what's the matter
it does? I did's principle, that's just like I didn't
grow up in a family that could do that. So
I still would not do it. Now, twenty five thousand
dollars for a sweep for twenty of your best friends
at the super Bowl and you paid for it and
you're a billionaire, different ballgame, different story. But spending fifteen

(58:42):
or two thousand for a ticket. Yet I say that,
and I probably would consider it for Led Zeppelin, so
I don't have problem other people doing it. I'm not
spending six hundred bucks on a Paul MCCARTNY ticket. And
I love the Beatles, and I think McCartney's really good,
But six hundred bucks a ticket, they would have to
be a lot less or given to me. I'm not
going so, but I love concerts.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
A buddy of mine bought tickets to go see Morgan
Wallen for his daughter and and his wife. Not not
going to get into the you know how much, but
let's just say when he told me it, I go.

Speaker 6 (59:12):
You could go to Hawaii for that money, right well,
and to his daughter or whoever, like for people who
took me, you know, have a daughter, go to Taylor
Swift Concerence. It does matter, and we'll do some crazy
ass things with our money for our kids, right sure,
or for your significant others. So I get it. I
get it. Just for me, I don't. I mean, I
love sports, but I don't love football enough to spend
five thousand dollars for a ticket on a Super Bowl

(59:34):
when I prefer to sit at home and watch it
and get to my refrigerator anytime I can anyway, So
now there's a line for me and it regardless how
much money, I start to think, you're exactly right, five
thousand dollars a ticket for a game like that, when
I can watch it on TV and be sitting on
a beach in Hawaii at the same time, Yeah, I'll pass.
Thanks to me.

Speaker 7 (59:52):
And that's the thing, is like when it comes to money,
you know, like everybody will spend their money on different things.
Some people want the nice car, all right, Hey, you
know that's on you. You know, go for it trips kind.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
Of like that. Yet I'll drop a five hundred bucks
to go play at Pebble Beach. Yeah tomorrow, see that.
You'll do it four days in a row. So it's
just an active experience for you.

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
You got more out of it than just hey, here's
my money, right, and maybe I'll sit in my seat,
but for the most time, I'm just gonna be standing
watching the show.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
Right. So, and like I said, everybody had, there's some
who like, oh, if the Texans go to the Super Bowl,
they'd want to they'd spend five thousand dollars for a
ticket for four people and do it for me. Like
I said, I unless it's a suite that I'm spinning
where I get to share the experience like a home
party with all my friends. I have no desire to
sit in the stands at five thousand a ticket at

(01:00:40):
a super Bowl, even if it was my raiders back
at it. I just soon watch on TV that nostalgia
having the ticket from past. Now, if there's certain place
you've been and you got a ticket from nineteen seventy
and you went to a concert, that's fine in your
book are remembers. But and it doesn't matter the money
for if I'm talking about if I had that money,
it's more principal. I'm not spending five thousand dollars for
Super Bowl. I don't like football that much.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
And I almost can guarantee, you know, like we just
saw last week, the Hank Aaron, the Hologram, you know,
all everything they had at the All Star Game. I
think you're gonna get your wish with led Zeppelin. They'll
start doing shows like that with AI and holograms. They're
going to start doing.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
That, and and I probably go just not for five thousand.

Speaker 7 (01:01:21):
Elvis's newest hits Elvis hadn't been alive in fifty years.

Speaker 6 (01:01:25):
Well, then there'll be some who think they can start
dating Elvis too. Which is that Jimes out there that
would what was it this hologram? Wouldn't there the guy
that asked his AI to marry them? Oh yeah, those
guys who are you know, banging robots and all that?

Speaker 14 (01:01:40):
Now?

Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
Yeah, people are weird, man, People are weird. And what
people will do for money? What isn't important to me
at five thousand dollars ticket to a Super Bowl? But
you're saying, Sean, would you go pay five thousand dollars
to play ten days at your favorite golf courses? The
answer is yes, yeah, so whatever whatever floats your boat.
And I love concerts but football. I'd spend one thousand
dollars on a concert of my favorite before i'd spend

(01:02:01):
thousand dollars on a super Bowl ticket. Yeah, and maybe
it's because i'd been and you know, it's just different,
like I said, and then going to baseball events. It
just depends on what it is. But I don't have
problem with people spending their money on it. But I'm
not dropping that kind of money for a Paul McCartney concert. Now,
somebody wants to give it to me half price, and
I've never seen Mccartney'll be pretty cool, But I don't.
I don't. I don't crave him into I liked him

(01:02:23):
with the Beatles, I don't. I don't him him individually
doesn't move my needle very much. That makes sense. It's
Paul McCartney and Ringo. He's fine. Yeah, we're on the
road again the Beatles. Different story for six hundred bucks.
Paul McCartney, Yeah, different story.

Speaker 13 (01:02:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
The problem is though some of the Beatles they're no one.
I was going to say, that's another problem is that
I maybe in his holograms, but then you got Ringo.
It's Richie loves Yeah, there you go. I mean there,
like I said, but hey, some people cal ten miles
over broken Glass to spend money on a on a
McCartney concert, and better them than me. It's like I

(01:03:00):
like him. Thanks.

Speaker 7 (01:03:01):
It just happened once to be listening to your your
good buddies Petros and Matt mney Smith, and they played
the it was Ringo's birthday a couple of weeks ago,
and they played when a guy prank called Mike Francessa's Ringo,
Ritchie and Hoboken.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
He went to the phone and was like, oh what
is this a comedian? Oh dude, And they've they've cracked
h Francessa a few times on stuff like that. Yeah,
no doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
Hey, Mike stan Lee died stan Lee? Who's stan Lee Francessa.
He's got leat hits? Oh yes he did, Yes he does.
Bob Haggy Doug right there. See, you guys want to
get into the astros conversation. We can continue that. We
touched on him a little bit earlier. But Lance McCullers Junior,
what to do? We'll discuss it here. It is Sean

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Speaker 15 (01:03:58):
Bob, good morning, Yeah, good with timely hitting and all
the other issues we have going on right now, injuries
and everything. Hey, the thing that kills me and I
wonder when it's gonna jump up and buy this in
the butt more than it has so far is stolen bases.
Their teams are getting extra bases on us for being
able to throw them out I'm just wondering how much

(01:04:18):
that's going to.

Speaker 16 (01:04:19):
Cost us games down towards the end of the season.
Not going to get your thoughts on it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
Thanks, guys, Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
So, I mean, yeah, it's been an issue for this team,
and I mean the other side of it has been
them trying to steal bases, which I mean the chief
guy doing that for you, both of them, Jeremy Pania
and Jake Myers. You don't have them right now, so
you don't really have anybody other than maybe Chaz that
can do that. But I mean it is something that
continues to be a problem for this team.

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
Sean.

Speaker 7 (01:04:45):
I mean, you saw it yesterday where you've got Seattle
runners on first and second, they pull off a double
steal to keep themselves out of double play, and then
both of those runs come around.

Speaker 8 (01:04:54):
The score.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
Running or the lack there, and especially this year, defending
it if not been a strength for the Astros. It's
it's just not it's not who's their best base runner
right now right now, as I mentioned, it's Chas. Of
the healthy guys, it's Chas, and I think that you've
got a guy I think at some point in time
your right fielder Cam Smith can steal thirty bases at

(01:05:18):
some point over the course of time, and I think
al Tuove thinks he can. But that's kind of a
two A's awesome that al tuo Ve makes some like
if there's ever been decisions in his career that you're like,
what's he doing, it's on the base pass. Other than that,
we just love him. Sometimes you'll say, what's he doing
chasing the ball of foot over his head, but then
he tom hawks it into the seats for a home run.

(01:05:38):
But he's not a great base run. This team isn't
going to win because of the best. Now it may
come down to a play at the plate in the
postseason or stealing second base to get a running and
scoring position. But I don't see this year, with the
way it's going, how you're going to fix preventing other
runners because that's not their strength.

Speaker 7 (01:05:58):
Well, I mean, and that it was a play at
the plate yesterday, there you go that helped you where
you know he's first called safe and then you go
back and you look at it and you say, no,
du Bond got him.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
Du Bond gunned him down, no doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:06:09):
But for al two b it's one of those that
the Lord, when he presented him as a ballplayer, was like, Hey,
this guy's gonna be an outstanding hitter. His fielding metrics
are gonna come down as he goes on in life.
Oh okay, but I mean still a Hall of Fame
level player. Yeah, he just can't really run the bases
very all.

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
Well, it'll be he's a Hall of Famer, but they
can't all have everything favor. There's got to be one
weekness and we know what it is with al twov.
So this team's strength and it does get caught in
the wash because we don't think about it very much,
you know, until it harms you orun til it helps you.
But when you look at it, they're just not I
know they've Dana Brown has said on this. They've worked
on it. You know, whether it's holding runners. I know

(01:06:47):
you're limited to how many throws to first base and
giving your catcher a chance. And everybody's into framing as
opposed to you know, they're they're the pop time and
all that. So if it comes down to it and
it's against a team that can run and you're the Astros,
you'd probably better keep them off first base because they're
not real. That's not a strength of theirs, and that's
just it. And hell, if you're that many games over

(01:07:09):
five hundred and your four games frount of first place and
you can't in base stealing and or running the bases
and or preventing people still as you're in first place,
I would just hate for that. That's like the equivalent
to me of a routine ground or costing you a
game late in the season because you know, you didn't
stay down on it, you got careless. You would hope
that base running offensively and or defending it defensively doesn't

(01:07:31):
cost you when it comes down to a single elimination
game or something like that. And inevitably, sometimes when you're
weak at something, guess what happens. It does find you
and something to look out for as we move forward.
So it doesn't cost them a division, a playoff game,
a series, or where they are. Because it's almost like
I think, because there's so many injuries and the hitting

(01:07:54):
has been inconsistent, you know, this season, I think it
takes away from what you would be talking more about
it because of the other glaring weakness, and the main
glaring weakness is an unfortunate one is the injury.

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
Now I was gonna say, I mean the list of
priorities you have right now, Priority number one is putting
somewhat of a competitive ball club on the field, right
because that's not even a realistic, a realistic scenario for
Joe a spot.

Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
At the moment, no doubt about it, and to mix
and match and do the things he's done to be
able to put things together. You know. It's it's like
the wedding planner who the catering truck forgot to show up?
And how you're gonna scramble around and get this ready
so people can eat. Joe is cooking to make sure
that these guys got nine guys to go out there

(01:08:40):
and line up with. It's pretty impressive. Here, here's some money.
Go to Waterburger. Get as many as you can. It's
breakfast time. Get to Ketos afterwards, get to get yourself
the Patty Melton some burgers, and we'll make it happen. Well,
what happened to the catering company? They're not showing up.
What are we gonna do. We'll survive it and we'll win.
It might even be better. It's my wedding all right,
that's why whatever I want to do, it is how

(01:09:01):
we're going to do it. Okay, that's right, and this
is his team, and so go get your London broil
somewhere else. Right. If you if you were talking about
variety on a menu, which we talk about with our
guys uh at jbar and Barbecue on a regular basis,
Joe a spot is gonna have about one hundred and
fifty different recipes by the time season's over. Kudos to
him being making a waterburger.

Speaker 7 (01:09:21):
There's many different stickers you can put on, you know,
the thousands of ways that you can make a waterburger
different to tell you different rappers.

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
And that's what he's done on long That's it. That's it.

Speaker 7 (01:09:31):
He's cooking back there. There's no doubt, Aggie Doug see
you right there. See a couple of others too who
want to weigh in. You want to join them Seon
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one three two one two five seven ninety. Do you
want to go a little bit further into this Lance
mccullor's conversation we were having a little bit earlier before
Steve Sparks joins us in a little over fifteen minutes.
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The Seawan Salisbury Show continued.

Speaker 6 (01:09:59):
More Aggie Doug HOWI boy, is that we all very well?
What's up?

Speaker 8 (01:10:03):
Man?

Speaker 16 (01:10:04):
Hey man? Before I get to my ticket, take if
y'all could pass along the questions to Steve Smarts. Is
there a stat of the Astros when they get to
two strikes and two outs? Man, it just seems like
they can't finish batters. And it's just and our and
our pitch count is just skyrocketing. Because I mean I

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watched the Colors do it. I watched Hunter Brown do
it yesterday. Bramber has a tendency to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
I mean, all of.

Speaker 16 (01:10:31):
Our you know, top three guys for lack of a
better term, they just seem to get to that second
strike in that second out and just can't finish.

Speaker 7 (01:10:40):
Now, it's it's definitely I mean, you know we were talking
about a little bit earlier. Appreciate the call. Actually know
you had the ticket thing. Let you get that in.

Speaker 16 (01:10:47):
But yeah, so so so the whole situation with the tickets,
I was I was completely you know, in agreeance with
you guys until you And yesterday is a perfect example.
I'm sitting there watching the Savannah bananas that Fenway Park
and that place is packed, right, So you know, me
and my buddy were like, hey, let's just look up
tickets and see when they're coming here. Two hundred and

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ninety eight dollars for standing room. Guys, that's more than
my Game seven twenty nineteen tickets that we paid for.
So it's I mean, I absolutely agree with you, guys.
Tickets have gone through the roof. I mean, I've heard
people spending thousands of dollars on bad Bundy, I.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
Mean, and stuff like that.

Speaker 16 (01:11:27):
So I mean, to me, I don't know where the
hell the the prices have gone and where all of
a sudden all these people are getting all this money.
But I mean, Finnbay was packed with little kid yesterday.
Can you imagine how much those people paid just for
a family of forward to get in there.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
Yeah, I appreciate the call.

Speaker 7 (01:11:43):
I mean, I think a lot of point doug secondary
market though, because if I'm not mistaken, I think face
value Savannah banana tickets are pretty cheap.

Speaker 6 (01:11:51):
Like that, they do want to make it a lure
of Fenway Park too. You know, I would imagine Doug's
Ryot's like wow, and well Doug, if it was my
family growing up, if they did that, that would have
been the equivalent of it. We'd have probably had to
sacrifice a day or two of vacation. It's not like
well sewn. You grew up in hard times, had just
come from a paycheck to paycheck family to work their
ass off week. I mean when you did go, you

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like saved up for it. You couldn't just say hey,
let's go and drop unless you got the like the
Businessman Special. Back then it's too I know, sitting in
the left field fence to be on the left field fence,
which are great c to be Crawford box seats at
Old Jack Murphy Qualcomm Stadium. They were two fifty. So
you'd leave Thursday Businessman Special if you weren't in school,
your dad take and you go there and your family
can go to a game for twenty bucks and so.

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But times have changed, so I don't know how families
do it. And then you're right. I always marvel to
when you're driving down the street and you see all
these I say, people spending a million dollars on a
home on a regular basis. Where's it all coming from?
But hey, I guess you mortgage yourself. You do it.
And if you want to take your family to a game.
For some families, I would imagine that was part of
their summer vacation. It's a lot of money.

Speaker 8 (01:12:58):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:12:58):
I conveniently had a lot of doctor appointments in uh
nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine, even ninety seven to where
uh you know, uh, Pershing Middle School right there in
the front office.

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
Oh, you got a doctor's appointment. You're wearing an astro shirt.
That's weird. Yeah. Sorry, And I won't be back till tomorrow. Yeah,
see all tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
Yeah, yeah, I gotta I gotta go see Jim Laertz
hit a game tying home run in ninety eight. Yeah,
but then Billy Spiers broken bat single won the game.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
There you go. Sometimes not always how hard you hit it, right,
But I I'm with Aggie Doug. It's just like, man,
I know it's entertainment, but goodness gracious, you got to
you gotta save up for some of those games because
it's a it's a big ticket item for some of them.
In the bananas in Fenway Park, I'm sure draws a
lot of people definitely does. And I haven't had a
chance to see them live yet. I've I've heard it's

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quite an experience. I might were at Dyke in last year.
My guy Eric Burns talks about it all the time, man,
when and he friggin loves it. It's gonna say, I
know it's gimmicky and all that stuff, but it's just
a Harlem Globetrotters of baseball, that's why. And it works
out well and these kids love it, man, that's awesome.

Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
That's why somebody said that if Jose Lima was still alive,
he would be Taylor made to be a Savannah banana.

Speaker 6 (01:14:09):
Talk, you know, willing to do stuff that's goofy on
and listen when people say, well, that's not real baseball,
it's not supposed to be. It's that's it's supposed to
be fun and entertainment. It's of course it's not real baseball.
You know the guy's doing it, But you know what,
the fact that major leaguers will show up with a
good you know, Clemens is pitching for him. And I
think it's a great concept and I think it's really cool.
And if they can continue to entertain and build that.

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They're going to ball Listen you talk about more pay
and doing it. They're going everywhere they go. People are
showing up and it's selling out ballparks. Why wouldn't they.
It's a fun little gig, and I love the attitude
and the fun and how a lot of the stuff
so choreographed stuff. It's really cool. It's I give him
a lot of credit for it. It's so popular.

Speaker 7 (01:14:48):
They're even playing in football stadiums, like they did Clemson
earlier this year. I think they did because the minor
league ballpark there in Charlotte's not big enough, so they
did Bank of America Stadium. I mean just somewhat get
it configured enough to be somewhat of a baseball field,
but still, I mean it's like one hundred and fifty
feet down the left field line or something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:09):
Yeah, you know what it's like, you know, how like
when you're starting out at some point, Morgan Wallman was
opening for some country side right and you're like, okay,
we're opening, we're doing a small ballerparks. And then it
gets to the point open now you're bringing along people
to open for you. Now the Savannah Bananas have created.
You no longer have to go after a player or
a former player and say you want to come be

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a part of this. They're like recruiting you to say, man,
I'd love to be a part of that and play
for you guys for a game, or be a black
Bill Lee. You know, it's the Spaceman Lee and you
want those kind of things. And so now it's gotten
to the point where people want to be a part
of it as a post and now they're no longer
a warm up act. They are the act.

Speaker 7 (01:15:46):
Well, it's like a buddy of mine's dad grew up
in San Antonio and he said that when he first
started out in his career, you know, go meet friends
for drinks after work, that they went to a place
in San Antonio. Hey, who's this George Strait and the
Acet and the whole band just playing some random honey talk.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
The opening for Hank Junior and stuff like that. Right,
and then that's that's right right where and you're playing
to you know, thirty five people sitting at a bar.

Speaker 7 (01:16:10):
And setting up his own air, helping the drummer put
together the drum kit.

Speaker 6 (01:16:15):
There's no doubt and write handwritten your playlist and stuff.
And then and now look, you know he he doesn't
open for anybody. So it it happens in the Savannah
Bananas have you know, done their thing, and now there's
no longer they no longer open for anybody. They are
the They are the act and at times bigger than
a regular base Put it this way, who you want

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to go see the Colorado Rockies? The Bananas would sell out,
of course field the Rockies can't easily, so big difference.
So it just goes to show. And you know what,
it doesn't all have to be straight line baseball. We
can the entertainments kind of cool. We're okay with that one.
So while we know what we're getting going in, Hey,
there's not supposed to be a guy on stilt's pitching.
We're doing to see and we bury the lead. How

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does the guy on stilt's pitch and keep his mouth?
It's not the it's all we're gimmicking baseball.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
What are we doing right?

Speaker 6 (01:17:06):
What is this guy down the right field line doing
like gymnastics triple flips? Coming in the fact that he
can do them and land on his feet's the key.
It's not the why he's doing them, it's how is
he getting it done? So you know what you get
going in and kids obviously, but it's crazy. You know,
when you've crossed the line into we're really good is
when adults can't wait to see it as opposed to

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just a twelve year old kid and that are excited
that this is their introduction to baseball. Anything that enhances
the game, even if it's a gimmick. In this case,
the gimmick works, and their willingness to change and do
a lot of different things on a regular basis has
made it really really cool. And so those tickets and
to our guy Aggie Doug, those tickets are not gonna
get any cheaper.

Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
Let's put it that way. Well, it's like the guy
that runs it was his name, Jesse. I think the
guy that has the top hat and where's the yellow tuxedo?
Like he well, he's really good on social media and
he put out where you know, they give me a
sweet for every game, says he never uses it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
He's always out in the crowd with the people. Oh yeah,
why would he be. That's where that's where he's getting
his vibe from. Right, and think about this, investors, either right,
this guy woke up one day and decided I'm gonna
try something and lost money, That's what I'm saying. And
then you know, there's these stories that were down to
the last so and so on trying and you're on
your hanging on borrowing from buddies of years, so you
don't have to go get investors, so it's ours. And

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now look, now, look, I would imagine the debt he
put into it that he's probably out of his personal wallety.
He's probably paid that debt back and is loving it.
And that's what you take the risk of not having investors.
And you're the guy and now his product, how much
you think what do you think the valuation on is
if you wanted to sell that franchise a lot? Yeah,
a lot of money. So it's really cool, and he's

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the first to do it, so guess what, second time
just won't be as good as somebody else tried to
emulate it. This is pretty cool. Good on him, no
good on them. It's original, it's fun and everybody just laugh. Yeah, gracious,
we could use a lot more of that right now,
good man. So now if this was regular baseball, we'd
all say, well, we're getting close with bigger base some
of the gimmicks right, but nowhere near this. And I

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just I love the fact that, hey, we lost kind
of a generation of when kids would go with their
mom and dad to the ballpark and corporate and stuff.
And it's I still always love seeing kids that like
minor where they can afford it or go in or
even if you know the astros a walk when you
see a son and a dad, or a daughter and
a dad, or a daughter and a mom or a
dad that then the mom's keeping score, It's like, this

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is you know, you'll still see like folks from my
generation or their parents that are eighty or five or ninety,
they'll be they'll have the radio headset in listening to
when Vin Scully I saw it all the time at
Dodger Stadium had the headset in listening to Vin call
it and why wouldn't you? All the while they're still
keeping score in the old school scorebook that they still
have for Little League, And I'm like, and then the

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kids sitting next to with the glove and the ball.
I don't know, man, maybe I'm a little bit too
into the just seeing these kids happy, But that's My
favorite stuff definitely is all game moment I took my kids.
It was like eating hot dog stuff in your face,
getting all and enjoying it and then watching how they
do it so it's done right. Yeah, I loved it.
And I don't know. We we blame it on the
kid and say it's for the kid, but in truth

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us adults like that nostalgia as well. For sure. Yeah
takes us back, no doubt doubt about it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:16):
All right, Steve sparks his weekly visit here on the
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Speaker 7 (01:21:02):
Eleven three win yesterday in Seattle East Soak parentis though
the newest astro to land on the IL. That now
means sixteen current astros are on the injured list at
the moment, and he's got a strained hamstring and Scotti.
Scheffler wins at the Open, second major win of the season.
Before we get Sparky in here with us, maybe you know,

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he might be already, you know, starting to you know,
be on the range, getting some swings in right now.
And then it's right before he gets his eighteen, before
it really gets fired up heat wise out there in
Arizona today.

Speaker 6 (01:21:38):
Well, if you're him, it's Arizona, you're two hours earlier
right now, right the ball games. It's six forty or
so Arizona time, wouldn't you. Oh yeah, wake up, grab
cupa cow, get you early tea time, go out there
and play. It can play in three and a half hours,
because they're probably staying at what Camelback or somewhere like
that that maybe the count back in or somewhere like

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Buttes the Buttes happen. I'm thinking ballpark because that's not
far from the park downtown. The Buttes up there on
the hill that's right where the in that where the Angels.
Angels play there there, they're being there a spring training games.
And then I think, well, it is at the Phoenician somewhere,
you know, any of those nice places, you know, they're
somewhere nice. So he's got golf courses galore. And it's

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the summertime, so some people are still at their non
summer or their summer, non Arizona places. Oh, I would imagine.
Heck if it was if it was me, Yeah, you're
if you get your preparation, you know Arizona pretty well. Hell,
you'll be done by noon with plenty of time to go.
Why wouldn't you. Yeah, get you some launch, quick shower
and then get on over to the ballpark and you're

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right till gog get you a whole day in man
like early morning golf in Arizona that sunrises. That's a
pretty good look man. Good for him for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:22:48):
So we'll have Steve Sparks on with us here in
just a minute or so. But until he joins us, Sean,
you know, we talked about a little bit earlier Lance
mccullors Junior, and I mean it's just kind of a
you know, I mentioned it earlier. You're trying to put
together as much of a competitive roster as you can.
At the moment, it's more challenging than it's ever been,

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probably since the Astros got out of the doldrums of
where they were in the early twenty tens, it's starting
to look a little bit more like it. And he's
not necessarily a priority, but it needs to be because
you've needed your pitching to be really good and he
has not been.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
No, you're exactly right. Well, do you well give me
your trust level past the first two and in truth,
just as a fan, you forget You're not hurt anybody's field.
I know it's not personal, just your trust level. When
you roll three, four and five out there right now?
Where are they in? Maybe an order off you? If
if we were reseating the starting pitching staff, how would

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you roll it five deep?

Speaker 7 (01:23:47):
Walter's three, Gordon is four right now, and then mccullors.
That's that's that's where my confidence is at the moment.
Would you keep in the rotation or try to make
a change. I mean, if you are able to get
you're in the next month or so, Arraghetty and Hobby
Air back, then he's out.

Speaker 6 (01:24:04):
Okay, I'm gonna ask you as your fifth starter, you
have to win a game, and it's got to be
somebody who's healthy. Now, are you running mcclors out there
or Gusto? Probably Gusto If that's your answer. I would
imagine there's a lot of feel the same way, and
it's not piling on Lance mccolors. We have a lot
of it and we've we've said it and you the
truth is, you're counting on him, you need him. But I,

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like I said, Steve might be able to give us
two innings right now, and I'm being serious. I mean,
it's just that it's got to be better. And that's
the concern. They've overachieved at the back end of the
starting world. They have for the most part, because these
are guys who weren't even supposed to be doing this
when the season starts, so that not that their town's
not good, but they're overachieving considering what we expected at
the beginning. Mccullor's is not overachieving. But people were still

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gonna say, well, it's only ninety or one hundred games
into the to his to this season, you've got to
you know, the starts and he's shown flashes, but how
long can you continue to see flashes before you know
or do Maybe they still see stuff they love and
that they're counting on it to kick in, but win.
I think that's what we're asking so I'm with you,

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I can't if a game was on the line, I
can't start him right now.

Speaker 7 (01:25:16):
You needed eight and the third out of your out
of your actually less than that because they walked you
off in the eleventh, but still you needed over eight
innings the other night out of your bullpen, and then
yesterday you needed five innings out of your bullpen.

Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
It's not sustainable, man, Well that's what we are. Biggest
concern was when you said, can this continue? Well, it
can continue. At the starting pitching over achieves three, four
and five, and they get to six innings and six
and a third and five and two thirds and seven,
and you're grinding it through and your bullpen. You don't
have to use the same guys. You know, three out

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of five days, these guys start to get arrest. But
if this continues and you continue to, you know, win
a series, score eleven runs in one and then you
give four hits and get you score a run in another.
The inconsistency of it you're going to need. If you're
a bat, you're sitting there staying, Okay, how do we
overcome this once we get the three four five? Help

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them out? Well? Hell, lately, Hunter Browns needed a little help,
and so you start to look and say, okay, can
you sustain this? Well, we've heard Steve Sparks continuously come
on here and say, man, compliment the pitching staff both
to start and especially the bullpen, and say the sustaining
it is difficult to do. Yet this team keeps answering

(01:26:35):
the call and surprising us with what they do. But
I don't think you want to bank on that, Dan,
I think that you have to expect more and more importantly,
you know where the dominoes don't fall just because starting pitching,
they start to fall. The hitting now has gotten to
the point where if you can hang more runs up there,
you allow guys some leeway to have a bad inning

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and still give you another two innings, as opposed to
he's walked to giving up a solo home run, walk
the lead off guy. We're in the middle of the
third d I mean we're a third three and a
third in. Got to get him out and before you
know it, now five different guys have been used for
six different innings, and then that goes two or three
days in a row. Now, look, part of the reason
they're successful is because they've been getting some great workhorse

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stuff upfront, from their starting pitching to where you say,
but I don't know, maybe they're dress in a phone
booth and wear a blue and red suit and Superman.
But it's gonna take a lot and it's gonna fall
in the onus. And you're saying, well, how can you
expect anything from the hitting? I get it, I get
it with all the injuries and now Parretis is out.
So yeah, it is a very weird season. Yet there

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are four games in front. We're talking as if they're
in a chase mode. They're being chased, but you also
know that if this continues, you'll get chased down quickly.
We saw quickly that lead subsided in the last nine
games where their two and seven eleven straight games where
you've had to come from behind and you've only been
able to do it twice. You nearly did it on Saturday,

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but yesterday you were able to do it finally, and
going into those eleven Dan, if I'm not mistaken, when
they came from behind, they won. Ever they were undefeated
the entire year, whether you got came from behind, gave
up the lead, and then came back from behind. Whenever
they've come from behind in a game. Up until maybe

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ten twelve games before the All Star Break, they were
you say eleven, So they were I believe, if not undefeed,
close to being a team that they win every time
they've come from behind and have it relinquished it, which
is a tribute to their stick toitiveness and their grit,
but also to a bullpen that's held that lead right
or a starter that's grinded through it good or bad

(01:28:41):
and still made it manage to get them to the
back end or to the you know, six seven eight
nine or seven eight nine in the bullpen. So yeah, man,
it is you can't continue, like I said, well in
one run games or in games you come from behind.
Now look at the record the last eleven you said
two and nine. That's not a trend you want to continue.

Speaker 7 (01:28:59):
No, it's not, and it's not a trend that you
can continue if you have designs of winning this division,
which the Astros definitely do so hopefully they can do that.
We'll we'll try to track down Steve Sparks, have him
on for his weekly visit. You want to join in
as well, someone three, two, one, two, five, seven ninety
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Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
And we The Sean Salisbury Show continued, Oh my god,
having a blast.

Speaker 6 (01:31:19):
It was a whole day. What a legendary movie that
was exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:31:22):
I mean, you know, you got the loser kids going
through gym class, whereas you know, Cameron, Sloan and Ferris
were at the ballgame having fun.

Speaker 6 (01:31:30):
She was keeping score too, funny enough, and they'll never
remember what they learned on that day. No, but those
three who went to the ballgame, Will and I had
a blast and all that stuff. The day that they
pickled Rooney. Yeah, that thing was well written back It
really just everything about it and a good cast, good movie,
good stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
The part with Jeanie where she realizes that Ferris has
been lying is it always cracks me up, you know,
Sosh swings open the door.

Speaker 6 (01:31:54):
I knew it. Ah, Yep, there you go. Ferris was
a legend. And then they end up covering for each
other when all was said and done. Right, Yeah, that's true,
that's true. You know she she did what a she
came around, Yeah she did so.

Speaker 7 (01:32:08):
Uh But anyway, the astros, as I mentioned, you know,
we've talked a lot about Lance mccullors junior. We talked
about a little bit earlier, but Taylor Trammel yesterday three
for four in the game, a good walk too. That
helps get that inning going and able to get his
average up to two of five this season, but not
a bad fine for you right now. And I understand

(01:32:30):
he's not going to put together many days like that,
but to be able to do what he did for
you yesterday, you're kind of like, h Suddenly that Jake
Myers injury isn't hurting as much.

Speaker 6 (01:32:40):
Yeah, how about that?

Speaker 8 (01:32:41):
Though?

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
Another guy who's it's not a matter of what we hope,
he's had to step in there and do some really
good stuff. I'm gonna tell you, when all this is
said and done, when the season's over, you're gonna look
around and when you address your team, or when you
think about your team, regardless of what happens, where they
go on and win a World Series or where they
make the playoffs, whatever happens, you're gonna look around and
say you're going to go through a list of about

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a dozen guys and say in credit that you're you're
going to just kind of start to connect the dots
of what kept you rolling this year. A couple veterans
that have been around, but quite frankly, a bunch of
other guys, whether they're veterans from another team that just
most would consider non stars and either journeymen or uh
platoon players or part time whatever you want to call them,

(01:33:24):
You're going to look around your clubhouse if you're already
not saying, we would have never survived this without them.
And now the question is as you talk about that
roster and guys like Tremmel and doing their gig, and
now what Brendan Rodgers is now on the sixty day
IL and then you got the IL for Paradus. I
mean you talk about an infield. I mean you're trying
to fight and scratch to find people. Is what's going

(01:33:49):
to happen at the trade dead And I do believe
while you're sitting here questioning, well, these injuries, well, what
are we going to do? When? When's Ordan? When's paying you?
When's when are they coming back? I do believe that
you'll know your answer as to how they feel well
by the thirty first of July. Because if they go big,

(01:34:11):
that ought to tell you that there's some I'm talking
about a wow factor move and it's whether it's a
pitcher or a you know, a big time left handed batter,
you're going to know that they're a little concerned about
their depth too. We have an answer what's the day
the twenty first, Yeah, you got about ten days, and
I would imagine a lot of phone calls going on
this week all around the league, and the Astros are

(01:34:32):
probably going to be one of those that are at
the center of it.

Speaker 7 (01:34:34):
Well, and I mean Ken Rosenthal even sane as much
on Foul Territory TV last week that the Astros are
going to be very aggressive when it comes to not
only a left handed bat but also a starting pitching arm.

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
Yeah, I think you need both, especially if you're not
sure when the big fella's coming back. Still, if you're
not sure, and I don't know how they can be sure,
considering it's really just kind of a if they're saying, well,
it's on how he feels. Apparently he doesn't feel right yet. Oh,
I mean, that's just it. I don't have any answers
for that anymore to you. I really really don't. We've tried,

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you do it. Well, what if he comes back in August? Well,
if he comes back, is there a chance he'll miss
the rest of the season. Is he going to come
back sooner than later?

Speaker 8 (01:35:13):
Now?

Speaker 6 (01:35:13):
Well, sooner than later, is not you know, talking three months?
And when he does come back who will he be.
There's a lot of if sits around the injuries, and
there's a lot of if sits around him, and even
when he comes back, you're hoping that it doesn't. It's
not one of those where you placed two days and
off too right. So but anytime you can have his
presence in the lineup, it extends your lineup and it
makes it difficult for pictures. It just does, even when

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he's not hitting, because you feel like you're the one
that he's going to bust out on and oh my gosh,
here we go.

Speaker 8 (01:35:39):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:35:40):
But I just I think they even if you think
Jordan can be healthy and give you which you hope
he can give you, I'm not sure they still think
that's enough at the plate. They may still need a
bopper at the plate, and also a starting picture because
I don't think you're number you can. I think you're
going to have a hard time living with what you're
living with unless you get another arm that can get

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people out as a starting pitcher.

Speaker 7 (01:36:03):
Well, I mean, and we even talked about it at
our confidence level because Brandon Walter, what you've gotten out
of him, it's been amazing, But I mean, is that
who he is like, have you unlocked something in him
that now he can be a five to six in
guy for you?

Speaker 6 (01:36:16):
Well, right now, I trust him more than I do
the guy who's been here a long time on the mound,
I just do. And whether that changes and they may
see something different, but I can't fathom that they'd made
the decision if they're going with three men that right now,
Lance would be one of them. And postseason will be
here before you know it. And in truth, regardless how
you feel about the future of a guy, I'm in

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the now right now, and if he's getting people out
and can give me five and two thirds six and
a third, I'll take it because that's more than you're
getting on a regular basis elsewhere.

Speaker 7 (01:36:47):
Well, and you know you mentioned McCullers, and he's one
of those guys too that I mean, you'd like to
be able to count on more. But I mean it
seemed like it was just a an l central thing
and then the Angers got to him, and then you
just saw what just happened the other night. I mean,
it's just to a point with him where it's like, man,
if you can't throw strikes, I understand the stuff is there,

(01:37:08):
but the stuff needs to be in the strike zone,
and that means getting into the fourth, fifth, sixth inning, Okay,
is what you need out of home.

Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
And there's no doubt this stuff is there, and there's
no doubt that you and I root for this. But
you know, you got to break it down. Honestly. We
keep saying the stuff is there. Isn't part of stuff
throwing strikes and getting ahead in the count. It should be,
especially for a guy that's done it as long as
he has. I mean, I can say Jameis Winston, stuff's
there too. He can rip it, he can throw thirty
five touchdowns. He can also throw thirty picks. So the

(01:37:38):
stuff is. And I'm using him as an exampt for
a high potential guy and I'd love to have him
on my team. Don't misunderstand me, because I love his energy.
But the deal is, we keep saying he's got the stuff,
but part of having the stuff is competitive strikes and
even balls that are outside that you're getting part of
your you've got command of what you're doing. Does it
feel like he's got command of his pitching right now?

Speaker 8 (01:37:59):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
Okay, So when we keep saying he's got stuff, there's
a lot of guys that that P word potential sits here,
and we know he's got that, but aren't you looking
for production? See that's it, that's the P word that
I need. Out of no doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:38:12):
I mean I understand the two years off all of that,
but I mean you also still need to be somebody
that is able to produce.

Speaker 6 (01:38:21):
And we'll deal with next year, the off season, the
contract all that now. But if he's producing, great, But
if two innings is enough for you, then you move
in to the bullpen or what have you. Or you're
just thinking bullpen. They just get me through two innings
and we'll go. But I don't think teams think like that.
With your a guy who you would love to be
your third starter, with his experience in the league. I
do believe that, you know, while he's got stuff and

(01:38:41):
he's he's been good here in the past, I'm worried
about the now. And if you're good, stuff's one thing
and great abilities another. But if you're not getting people out,
then I've got to find somebody who can and give
me more innings.

Speaker 7 (01:38:56):
Well it's like yesterday, I mean you had to use
Brian to bray you in the eighths and people are like,
why that well, is Joe using him right here because
he doesn't want to have to go back to Steven
Okert or to Bennett Susa or any of the other guys.
I mean, what was it? Two straight nights of Hector
Naris yep.

Speaker 6 (01:39:10):
And I'm curious what our listeners and I would love
to hear from them. I'm curious where they are with
Lance right now. What would you do? Is he I mean,
I understand the numbers, simply say gosh, dang, he's got
to give more. We got to you got to be
able to pitch. But what would you do if the
circumstances were different, if you had a healthy pitcher or two,
or if this continues? Do you lean on somebody who say, well,

(01:39:33):
if I can get three innings out of anybody, is
that what you do? I'm curious what our fans think
about what is the twenty twenty five step in July
for Lance mcclors moving forward this year?

Speaker 7 (01:39:44):
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Pensacola wants to weigh in.

Speaker 6 (01:42:05):
Ross. Good morning, Hey, what's up.

Speaker 14 (01:42:08):
Yeah, I'm in Florida, but I listened to y'all most days,
so thanks. Hey you asked about m Shawn was asking
for colors about mccolors, and that's why I jumped in.

Speaker 8 (01:42:20):
So.

Speaker 14 (01:42:20):
I don't know if anyone's made the joke yet about
the astros and a mass unit.

Speaker 13 (01:42:26):
But you could easily call them the Mastros.

Speaker 14 (01:42:28):
I won't go down the laundry list of all the
different injuries that we've had, but we know that they are.
They're a mash unit. And and do you ask about mccolors.
The pitching rotation hasn't been any different. Wes Nesky, we
lost him, Eric Eddy, we lost him. We're waiting on
Javier and Garcia and all these other people to come back.

(01:42:51):
Do you ask about mccollors. I don't think you can
do any worse running Just keep running him out there.

Speaker 8 (01:42:56):
He hasn't pitched in over a year and a half.

Speaker 14 (01:42:59):
I agree with you, he doesn't have his stuff, but
you just got to keep pitching him because, just like
y'all said, we're on game one hundred and with sixty
games left, you don't have many other options to just
let the guy pitch see if he can get you.
Like Sean's been saying, can you get the five innings?

(01:43:21):
Can you get the six innings? Pat him on the
rear end and get and hand it over. I think
he can do it. And the only way that we're
gonna find out if he can do it is if
you let him, if you let him pitch. But that's me,
Like I said, listen to you off from Florida. Thanks
great show.

Speaker 6 (01:43:38):
Hey appreciate it, Ross, and Ross appreciate you.

Speaker 7 (01:43:40):
It's also getting to the point though, I mean, you
know he talked about the dog days of summer and
that's you know, middle of June until about right now,
and then once you get into August, I mean, August
is the stretch run. That's when you find out are
you contenders or are you pretenders? And the Astros right
now are contenders and they want to stay that way.
And that's why I mean, when Lance McCullers Junior goes

(01:44:01):
to the Mound, I do not expect them to get
to win that night, not the way that he's been
pitching lately. As a matter of fact, it's almost kind
of to a point right now, if you get to win,
it's a bonus.

Speaker 6 (01:44:10):
Yeah, And I hate that feeling. I hate that feeling
for them, I hate it for him. But there's going
to come a point in time if they if the
health on the pitching staff gets right, you're going to
have to make a hard decision with him, because if
this continues and the health gets right and you're rolling
out Javierra Garcia to start, you can't. You cannot run
him out there at this You just can't. But right now,

(01:44:32):
what's your choice. You have to pitch him and say, Okay,
at some point this is going to kick in, right
at some point, it's going to be two, three, four,
five starts in a row where you look like Lance
mccullor feels like a decade ago, but you know, three
four years ago, five years ago, what's it going to
be like? But how long can you? What if? And

(01:44:53):
right now? But you don't really have a choice because
I don't think if they had options, a lot of them,
I'm not sure they would continue to I know they
want to show belief in the rest of it, but
it comes down to you can't. You can't hold the
rest of the team hostage just because you want a
guy to do well. It may it may this may
not be the year he does well. It maybe next year.

(01:45:14):
You may have to decide maybe later. It may be
in the bullpen. It maybe is a starter. But that's
what you're trying to figure out, is as he had said.
And I but there is going to come a point
where you can have to make a hard decision if
in fact you get healthy if not, Lance with Colors
is in it for the Hall this year, and you're
gonna have to come up big man. You just are.
And that was a road game where he's normally been
pretty good this year, where he hasn't been at home.

(01:45:35):
The splits are ridiculous, right, So he just has to.
But you're you're you're limited on how many different guys
you can run out there and what you're paining him
almost says, I got it. You see what I'm gonna
get out of it. But there is going to come
a point in time, and I'm sure the players will
rally running Lance out there. That's what a good teammates do.
But in the process of making these decisions, you're gonna

(01:45:55):
have to make hard decisions over can he be a
guy that every third or fourth day, I got to
put him out there every fifth day? Well, it would
be every fifth day obviously, but as the third or
fourth or fifth.

Speaker 7 (01:46:04):
Guy, well especially too, I mean as you you know,
just touched on with some of the injured guys. I mean,
you got three innings the other night out of Christian
Hobby here and I had Brian mctaggard on Astros on
deck on Friday, and he seemed to think that once
any of those guys hit the five innings, then that's
when the team feels like they're good to come back.

Speaker 6 (01:46:23):
Yeah, and you know, having Hovey are back healthy would
sure be a blessing. But Lance is gonna have to
I mean, find it, can't keep well, you know, it's
good stuff. I felt pretty good. He's just gonna have
to whether he feels good or not, he's gonna have
to just get people out. He's gonna have to go
be more competitive in the strike zone and get people out.
And right now he's not doing enough of it.

Speaker 7 (01:46:44):
Well, I mean, you pulled them by necessity the other
night because it was a close enough game that you're like,
I can't let him, you know, wear this too much,
because if the Astros say, at that point, we're down
five to nothing, I think you see him wear it.
I think that Lance mcculler's junior try to throw a
couple of more innings and then you know, you're trying
to save your bullpen as much as possible. But when

(01:47:05):
Joe's spot had pulled him, I think, what was it
a two to one game at that point? Is when
he pulled them out of the game.

Speaker 6 (01:47:10):
So yeah, and guess what any it was in And
it was in the third inning, right, so we say, oh,
you know you got what you're gonna get up. Can
you imagine going into a game saying just give me
two and two thirds. That's not that that will not
be enough for this team. And but it goes back
to managing the bullpen, getting him rest, getting the right guys.
Just why you bring in a guy like a bray
you in that situation and get him work so you
don't wear out the other guys who are putting a

(01:47:32):
lot of innings in. It's stuff. I couldn't root harder
for Lance mc colors, but I also know that for me,
production is more important than potential. But right now your
hands are a bit tied. He has to elevate. He
just has to.

Speaker 7 (01:47:43):
That's why I think this next start is going to
be crucial for him, because if it's a little bit
of the same, then I think that's probably where you're
at the point of, Hey, let's see what aj blue
Ball's got, Let's see what Miguel Yola's got, because this
isn't working right.

Speaker 6 (01:47:55):
And I would have thought that this start was that start,
the one we just saw, But you put it this way.
You're trying to roll it out there where you say, okay,
we got two good wins in a row where we
went five and two thirds or six and a third.
Maybe this is now we can gear up for what
we're going to get the rest of the year. But
it is really hard to sustain winning and winning a
division and being a World Series team when it's your

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first two and then there's a fall off and then
on that and then you got to pick it back
up with you know, with Walter and Gordon and whoever
else you're thrown out there. I don't Lance mccullors. I
don't think any of us want to call him the
weakness of the starting rotation. And unfortunately, right now he
is got.

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Speaker 5 (01:48:51):
Let's go on. This is the Sewan Salisbury Show.

Speaker 8 (01:48:55):
Gain.

Speaker 7 (01:48:55):
As I mentioned on the phone lines, you can join
us right there. John wants to up in here. John,
what's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:49:02):
They we're going on?

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (01:49:04):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (01:49:06):
I like Lance, but right now Lance is uh wood
pen quality.

Speaker 5 (01:49:10):
That means he can't go past too, and he don't.

Speaker 12 (01:49:13):
His problem is he don't have no comfortence in his
pictures because it to my side pisches roughed reason, I
give them to them.

Speaker 8 (01:49:19):
If I'm a great.

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
Battle he got the car. He don't have no trust
in his inside pitch. He can't.

Speaker 12 (01:49:24):
He don't have nothing to take it inside the zone
and the great battles waiting on they He's not gonna
flinging none outside of the zone.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
The Rougher reason is not gonna give him them outside
the zone.

Speaker 12 (01:49:33):
He's gonna have to come in the middle, and they
waiting on it, and they tagging him, and he don't
have no company. His comfortens is gone, is put in
his pictures. So right now, the best thing I just
said that the Astro is gonna do. If they want
to keep them, man, just send him to the bull pin.

Speaker 5 (01:49:49):
He'll give you one ding baby two. But and it's
hard on the hitters.

Speaker 16 (01:49:53):
Well you you're.

Speaker 12 (01:49:54):
Three in us and you down five rubs. Now you
got to come back. It's just not helping the team.
Like you said, John, it's just right. Man just did
right there at this Timber. It's just that hip of
the team. So demote him. To the bullpen. Let him
get his comfort this back God right there, just a goat.

Speaker 5 (01:50:11):
That's all I got, guys, top y'all later.

Speaker 6 (01:50:13):
I appreciate JO can't add anything to that. I would
agree if you're only going to get one or two
innings and get it there, not from the starting pitching.
We already know if you're a bullpen you're going three,
four or fives. Maybe get two or three innings out
of the out of the the three, third, fourth, and fifth,
and then you go six, seven, eight, nine, specialize one, two, three, four,
and once again you've done it. And I know they're
going to run him out there again, and that's fine.

(01:50:33):
We'll see how that works out. But it's going to
come a point if the production's not there, you are
absolutely going to have to replace that and put him
in the bullpen to at least maximize the inning or
two that you're going to get out of him in
a little bit longer relief.

Speaker 7 (01:50:46):
Here's the problem that you run into, though, is extra
base runners in a relief appearance.

Speaker 6 (01:50:51):
That's death, oh there's no question. And that's and if
you can't command it as a starter, that's also putting
you in a buy and you come in and walk
the first two because he doesn't go through his normal
starting routine, so you have to have a paradigm shift
in the way you approach baseball. As you know of
the two. Obviously he's got the stuff, and you think, well, man,
one time through, get out of the inning. We'll just
take you for an inning. But and maybe it is confidence,

(01:51:12):
but he always seems like a confident guy. But it
just doesn't the command of standing on that man like
I'm going here to dominate just doesn't feel like it
is when you see him. When you saw the good
Lance mc colors, it was almost as he felt like
these guys can't hit me. Now, it's almost like he's
standing in their grinding on. How am I going to
throw a strike that gets people out. It's just it's
been a struggle. I understand the injuries and the rest

(01:51:33):
of it, but you wouldn't be running him out there
if he wasn't healthy. The question is where's his mental toughness,
state of mind, how's he feeling about himself to get
people out? And like see right now, when Hunter Brown's struggling,
I still think hunder Brown thinks he can't get everybody
out even if it goes four innings. I think he's like, ah,
that's not me. I'll come back right now. I'm not
sure if Lance mccullors believes that's not him.

Speaker 7 (01:51:53):
Well, I mean even Brown yesterday, that what thirty pitch
inning the third that he had, It's a hell of
a grind in one inning. Body, it was a hell
of a grind. But like it wasn't like he was
getting tattooed. It was a lot of soft contact. It
was a walk in there.

Speaker 8 (01:52:05):
I mean the.

Speaker 7 (01:52:07):
Right and I think I think was Polanco's two run single.
But I mean even with that, you were kind of like,
he's one pitch away from getting out of this. I
don't feel the same way about Lance.

Speaker 6 (01:52:16):
No, you're one pitch away from getting into more trouble.
It feels right, And that's the way you feel right now. Yeah,
I hate to say it, I do, because he would.
Can you imagine if you were getting if you were
getting the same production from him as you were getting
from Walter now now, now we'd be viewing this the
whole man. He's given us the performance and at least
grinding out. I mean, you'd feel different.

Speaker 7 (01:52:38):
I saided earlier in the year that once you lost
the whole team, when you lost Renelle Blanco, that Lance
had the chance about him to start interrupting. Yeah, yeah,
exactly if like the oh which one you know? Ask
me about the many different ones that are on there.
It's at games show. Were you saying about Blanco?

Speaker 12 (01:52:56):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:52:57):
But I mean that that's what you were hoping to
get out of Lance was five six innings, because that's
pretty much what Blanco gave you. Five six innings, three
three four earned runs, and that's an outing.

Speaker 6 (01:53:07):
Wouldn't you take five innings every day from him, I mean,
every fifth day from him right now and then consider
it a success easily? Easily. But it's been it's been
tough sledding, and the command is becoming a little bit.
You're not quitting on him, you can't, obviously, but there's
the production when you're looking at your team. You owe

(01:53:27):
it to the team to run somebody out there every week.
And he's gonna he's gonna pitch again. When when's his
next start here at home?

Speaker 7 (01:53:33):
Probably yeah, because I don't because he went Saturday. So yeah,
you're going three games. You've got three games there and
then what back here?

Speaker 6 (01:53:39):
He'll go second game of this Friday at home. Yeah,
who they play on Friday is that is that the
a's coming up athletics. Then he'll get his next start
at home where he struggling, and he'll give him a
chance at home to get back at it and and
start to build on it. But you're gonna need production
from him. You just absolutely well.

Speaker 7 (01:53:56):
I mean, and it's also too, I mean, it's the
pressure that you're putting on the rest of your guy.

Speaker 6 (01:54:00):
I told you on the hitters to think we got
to score seven runs, and we got to score earlier.
We're in a chase month that's one of no doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:54:05):
And then I mean you got Colton Gordon going tonight
where you look at Colton Gordon, you give them the
ball and you're like, hey, you know, five is kind
of the baseline for you, especially with those guys out
there as much as they just.

Speaker 6 (01:54:17):
Threw over the weekends. So sorry, tell me a Saturday,
Sunday and Monday extra work for the bullpen. You don't
want that the rest of the year. I can tell
you that where it's just like damn, it's tribute to
Joe a spot and how he's done this. He's had
to play a geography guy. He's had to pay real
estate guy, he's had to pay babysitter, he's had to
play he and Dana Brown together doctor, and oh, by

(01:54:39):
the way, manager, and to do that. Now, I know
that's his job, but can you imagine somebody coming to
you at the beginning and saying, Hey, by the way,
you're going to be strapped with this this year. Here's
who's going to be hurt as a pitching Here's who's
going to be hurt as an everyday player. Here's how
long it's gonna last. And by the way, getting Lance back,
he's going to be a two to four inning guy
on an inconsistent basis. Other than that, how you doing?

(01:55:01):
And and your rookie's gonna be leading off? You're like,
how are you feeling now, Joe? Will? I guess I
better gear up for a crazy What place are we in? Oh?
You'll be four games up just after the all starch?

Speaker 13 (01:55:11):
What?

Speaker 8 (01:55:12):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:55:13):
What a bonus? Well, imagine what it's like if you
can get close to being healthy, or just get one
or two bodies back, You get mccornbt, just add a
piece here and get paying you back and maybe get
yourd on and then all of a sudden, Javier is
giving you five innings there and you bring him up
here and you say, okay, now that guy, because like
I said, wasn't it three weeks ago as velocity was
pumping at ninety five and that's he doesn't normally live there.

(01:55:36):
It feels heavier when he's throwing it, but that's not
normally where he lives. So that's a good sign. You're
gonna need him, and you're gonna need well I'm not
just putting it on mccolors, but Lance mccullors has got
to be a big piece to this. If you're going
to keep them in the lineup. It can't be two
point two inning. It can't be two point two like
it's a GPA two and two thirds. You just can't.

Speaker 7 (01:55:53):
Well, it's the financial experts out there tell you have
a rainy day fund. The Astros are spending their rainy
day fund at this moment.

Speaker 6 (01:56:00):
Oh yeah, you know how you put it when you
bring home your changes ticket into a jar and at
the end of the year you say, oh, I have
enough for a vacation. Yeah, well they've dipped into that
quite a bit now, and it's you may have to
start to double in the price for fines on cusswords,
so you can have enough money in that thing to
start paying people to be cause. And I'm sure Lance
doesn't like getting on a plane to the next city

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or when he comes out after two and two thirds thinking,
because you don't just think about yourself with this. And
I'm sure he's been a good team guy. I'm sure
he's thinking about I can't keep letting my teammates out.
I've got to be better. I don't think there's any
doubt about it. The question is will he And that's
a question that they have to ask themselves. And on
Wednesday we'll get an idea from Dana Brown. With their
thinking it, Dane will be confident as he is, but

(01:56:43):
he can't be overly pleased with the wood he's steeing
at least the overall production the last nine games, even
though they've won two of them.

Speaker 7 (01:56:51):
Well, confidence only takes you so far. Reality has to
set in soon enough.

Speaker 6 (01:56:55):
And the opposite of that is confidence will get you
through some really bad times to get you hopefully back
to reality. The question is what comes first, having a
good game pitching, then your confidence or going in thinking
I'm really confident, I'm going to get back at what
I'm normally chicken or the egg. When it comes to confidence,
is that the production that gives you the confidence or
the confidence gives you production. In Lance mccullor's situation, I'm

(01:57:17):
not sure he believes either one right now. Now.

Speaker 7 (01:57:19):
It's definitely showing in the results to on the mound
of not really being able to go deep in the
games and not winning it set games. All right, As promised,
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Speaker 6 (02:00:26):
And grateful to have him on for his weekly visit
post All Star breaks. Steve, welcome in. Let me start here.
What point time do you We're almost one hundred games
in and we talked about it's a long season and
it is. But at what point in time do you
say we're no longer in the dog days? We're in
a run that every game now, the stretch run is important.
Are we there yet?

Speaker 8 (02:00:48):
Well, that's two different questions. I think dog days, yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:00:51):
Go ahead, Yeah, When do we kick in? When do
we kick into? Man, the urgency has to be every
single day. I guess what I'm.

Speaker 8 (02:01:00):
Asking, Well, it's to what point you really want to
do that?

Speaker 18 (02:01:06):
I think as far as urgency goes, you're going to
try to put out your best lineup just about every day.
But at the same time, you're always thinking about how
do I get guys off their feet so they're fresh
and they remain healthy and things like that, How too,
Bay could.

Speaker 8 (02:01:20):
Dh from time to time. I'm sure his body could.

Speaker 18 (02:01:23):
Help benefit from getting a day off.

Speaker 8 (02:01:26):
And daging from time to time.

Speaker 18 (02:01:28):
But right now, with so many injuries, I mean, you're
trying to put out your most competitive lineup as you
can facing you know, other good Major League teams that
you feel like you want to give all your guys
a great chance to win on a nightly basis. So
I think they're going to be in the dog days
for a little while until they start getting guys back
and you start getting guys breathers. I always think back

(02:01:51):
to twenty twenty two when the Astros are running out
of six man rotation before other teams were doing that
for over half of the season, and how much more
fresh they were, and they absolutely steamrolled through the playoffs
and through the World Series that year. I think because
they were more arrested than anybody else. When you're not
as healthy as you have been in years past, I

(02:02:12):
think it makes it much more tricky.

Speaker 6 (02:02:16):
Joe A. Spotta, I contend he's the manager of the
year considering all that's gone on and where they are
four games in front. His best job in these last
two years is it managing what he's had to manage Steve.

Speaker 8 (02:02:29):
It's been very difficult. Yeah.

Speaker 18 (02:02:31):
I think he's done a great job. I thought last
year pulling the team out of.

Speaker 8 (02:02:35):
Where they started, I thought he did a great job too.

Speaker 18 (02:02:37):
But right now I mean, he's just trying to figure out,
you know, who can I put in there to be competitive,
And there's been so many guys. Taylor Tremmell yesterday, and
we've seen Zach Short win a game for the Astros
against the Dodgers last week. We've seen Shane Wickham make
a great play yesterday on the slide behind.

Speaker 8 (02:02:58):
I think it was Cooper Humble yesterday.

Speaker 18 (02:03:00):
Different guys are stepping up and doing big things for
the Astros.

Speaker 8 (02:03:03):
So I think that says a lot about the player development.
But we see it a lot in spring training, Sean.
I mean, we see a lot.

Speaker 18 (02:03:09):
Of these guys, and we've seen these relationships bloom with
the major league coaching staff. We see it and we've
gotten to know these guys a lot in spring training,
and I think that's the one thing that's kind of
missing is people don't realize that these guys are welcoming
to this clubhouse pretty easily because we've gotten to know
them so well. In the month of February March too.

Speaker 6 (02:03:31):
Steve is a starting pitching right now, doing it all
the way through, doing enough to keep the bullpen rested,
like I know you want. When we push into middle
of August to September.

Speaker 8 (02:03:43):
Wow, that's it.

Speaker 18 (02:03:44):
You know what, when you're running a six man rotation,
I think the Astros on six man rotation right now
because they're playing thirteen games in a row. Yep, that's
going to put an extra strain on the bullpen. So
it's going to be up to whether or not Guesto
goes in the rotation or they bring some else up.
I'm not sure how they would do it if they
went to a sixth man, but they need a long man,

(02:04:05):
you know, somebody to cover them in those in those
games so they don't pitch guys three games in a row. Say,
and we watched Joe do a great job yesterday making
sure he didn't have Okert or Susa or Narris pitch
three games in a row. I mean, I think that's
probably the back of his mind all the time, but
I think right now, this time of year, you want

(02:04:27):
to make sure you don't put those guys health in jeopardy.

Speaker 6 (02:04:30):
Steve Wnda, I mean, you're you're so good at getting
us talking us off a ledge when it comes to this,
and we know mccullors has good stuff. You really are
and listen, potential and production are two different things. And
I think we all root for Lance's success. And I
know with the injuries, they're in a bad it's it's tough.
I mean, you're down bodies. What are you seeing that

(02:04:51):
tells you that if they were healthy, he stays in
the rotation. What's missing from the arsenal right now, other
than getting ahead in the count throwing the type of
strikes he needs to.

Speaker 18 (02:05:01):
What I've seen is some games where he's pitched really
well and he's racked up a lot of strikeouts. So
that tells me, you know, when he's leveraging the counts,
when he's ahead of the count, he still has the stuff.

Speaker 8 (02:05:12):
To get swing and miss when he's right.

Speaker 18 (02:05:15):
So if everything's good, you know, maybe it's pitch mixed,
maybe it's changing where the catcher sets up to get
himself in better counts. I think he needs to do that.
So I think it's all about I know we've talked
about this a lot. It's the one on one count.
You know, get ahead of the count so you can
leverage and get guys to chase right now, you fall

(02:05:35):
behind two and one or three in one. Guys can
be very very selective because they don't have that urgency
to protect, and I think right now he's just not
getting the chase that he's used to. But I think
it starts with getting the account in his favor. I
like his curveball right now better.

Speaker 8 (02:05:51):
Than his sweeper.

Speaker 18 (02:05:52):
I think upping the percentage of the curveball rather than
the sweeper makes more sense. It's just got more depth,
it's got more swing and myth, and it's hanging around
in the strike zone longer to.

Speaker 8 (02:06:02):
Get guys to bite more. So that's where I would go.

Speaker 18 (02:06:05):
You know, I'm not the pitching coach, but right now
I like one pitch better than the other, and the
other thing. I would start to catcher more over the
plate to get him, to get him ahead of the
account and make guys start to swing more.

Speaker 6 (02:06:17):
Do we, Steve, Do you trust that we're going to
see the production that we need to see to keep
him in the rotation as they start to get healthy,
and hopefully they will sooner than later.

Speaker 18 (02:06:26):
Yeah, I think it's in there. You know, we've seen
some guys around the league that miss some time. Spencer
Strider has had a hard time getting back into the
field of things. There's a bunch of guys that when
you've had as long as the layoff is lance, there's
going to be some inconsistencies. But I've seen it, you know,
and I've seen some games where's he's looked really sharp

(02:06:48):
and really good, where I think he can help the team.
So I just think I think it gets down to
being more aggressive than the strike zone.

Speaker 6 (02:06:56):
Steve sparks for his weekly visit here for a couple
more minutes here on Sports Talk seven ninety salisby show. Uh, Steve,
I mean, if you know different, any signs of health
or that we're gonna get people back sooner than later.
I mean, when do you see Hobber didn't get three innings?
How quickly do you think we're gonna see some of
these guys?

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
Uh?

Speaker 18 (02:07:17):
Specific timeline, I'm not real sure. If I was the guest,
it's probably all in August. But you're looking at You're
looking at Araghetty, You're looking at Christian Javier, You're looking at.

Speaker 8 (02:07:30):
Garcia.

Speaker 18 (02:07:31):
Starting to get some guys coming back, and we're seeing
the velocities of you know, Dana talk to Robert yesterday
and he mentioned.

Speaker 8 (02:07:38):
That Jabber is up to ninety five.

Speaker 18 (02:07:41):
We see Ara Getty, he dealt feel very confident in
what he's gonna be able to do when he gets back.
I think he's gonna be a huge piece of this
thing going forward for the Astros.

Speaker 11 (02:07:52):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:07:52):
And then you're we're gonna see the other guys trickling.

Speaker 18 (02:07:55):
We're gonna see Paya, We're gonna see your don We're
gonna start to see some guys come back. Well how
long it takes myers in Eastock. I think they're a
little further out.

Speaker 8 (02:08:04):
But once those guys start to trickle in, not only
are you going to get the full squad, get the
band back, if you're going to get some guys that
are super fresh. I mean the guys that have.

Speaker 18 (02:08:15):
Been off their feet and probably very well rested going
into the playoffs.

Speaker 8 (02:08:19):
So I think if you're looking for silver linings, that's
gonna be it. But uh, you got to get my first.
But I'd like some of.

Speaker 18 (02:08:26):
The signs and some of the reports we're getting with
some of these pitchers, it's going to be a very
welcome edition.

Speaker 6 (02:08:33):
Steve does this if they are a World Series team,
which I believe they think they are, and I think
a lot of us when they're going good considering all
these circumstances to be up by four games is pretty impressive.
What what what what would you what would you expect?
I mean, at least at least your intuition about this
All Star break the aggressiveness side of it, not All
Star break, trade deadline break. The trade deadline. Yeah, all

(02:08:56):
Star breaks on. I always confused back in the day.
They were around the same time, right for me when
I growing up. But the trade deadline, what do you
see as far as aggressiveness goes? How aggressive will they be?

Speaker 18 (02:09:09):
Well, you're feeling out as many teams as possible. Right now,
there's only a couple that have really kind of come
out and said, yeah, we're open for business. But there's
going to be a couple more right at the very end.
Here's one thing that I keep kind of going back
to is the last few deadlines.

Speaker 8 (02:09:24):
The astros of Delta.

Speaker 18 (02:09:25):
And tell me if you recognize anything that's in common
with these guys, William or Bray you, Emmanuel Valdez, Joey
low Braffido, Will Wagner, Ryan Clifford, and Drew Gilbert. They're
not household names, but they have one thing in common.
Six guys that they've dealt, and I think it's a coincidence.

Speaker 8 (02:09:43):
But they're all left handed hitters, right, every single one
of them. That the Astros of Delta in these trades.

Speaker 18 (02:09:50):
So now they're depleted to a degree as far as
left handed hitters go through the system except for Jacob Meltham,
and Jacob Melton is probablyrobably one of their best trading tips.

Speaker 8 (02:10:01):
But I would hold on to Jacob Melton. I like
his twitch, I like his upside.

Speaker 18 (02:10:06):
So as far as left handed hitters go, the Astros
haven't had a bunch of those guys coming up through
the system because they've traded them all. So it's always
one eye on the present, one eye on the future,
according to Dana Brown, so I would keep the one
eye on the future and keep Jacob Melton. But as
far as going out and get guys, he talks about

(02:10:27):
getting a left handed hitter, I agree with that. Once
Jordan gets back, you feel a lot better about having
some guys around out a well balanced lineup.

Speaker 8 (02:10:37):
But we're starting to see Tamla Trammel.

Speaker 18 (02:10:39):
We're starting to see some guys contribute and get better
and help him. Now you're seeing what you have going forward,
and once everybody gets healthy, then you're gonna have to
start making tough decisions. And I think you know the
first tough decision is going to start with the trade deadline.

Speaker 8 (02:10:58):
What do we need to go get We'll see the
other thing about. Uh, one eye on the future and
one eye on the present.

Speaker 18 (02:11:05):
John, If you're getting a pitcher, man, I'm sure thinking
about somebody.

Speaker 8 (02:11:11):
Who I can put into the rotation right next year
as well. I want somebody controllable.

Speaker 18 (02:11:17):
And uh, you know it treated almost like it's the
off season, maybe a free agent signing, but by going
out and get somebody who can help you next year.

Speaker 6 (02:11:26):
Yeah, stay away from the rental, is what you're saying there, Steve,
and I would yeah, real quickly, Let's say you were
you had you only had your choice on one, just
you as a as a baseball insider and fan as well,
that it was either a starting pitcher that was going
to be here, that you had you had under contract
that wasn't a rental, or a power bat left and regardless,

(02:11:46):
when you start to think, okay, when Jordan comes back
and we're getting Hobby aer and Garcia maybe or Arraghetti,
you start to think about August, Steve, but you're gonna
have to make that decision before then. So if you
only had one wish list, it had to be a
starting pick your or a power left handed bat. Who
is it? Not the name, but what position.

Speaker 8 (02:12:05):
If it's the same package, I have to give up.

Speaker 6 (02:12:08):
Yes, yes, let's not forget this, and let's not forget this.

Speaker 18 (02:12:14):
Every single trade that you make right now is really
gonna hurt because you have to overpay to outbid some
other teams. So if you're looking for a left handed
bat or you're looking for pitching, everybody's looking for that
and you're gonna have to You're gonna have to make
it sting to.

Speaker 8 (02:12:31):
To really get those guys. But if it was one.

Speaker 18 (02:12:33):
Of the two, I would go for the bat just
because of the way they pitched, just because of the way.
I'm not saying there's a surplus, because you just start
looking for wood right away and you're wanting to knock
on it.

Speaker 8 (02:12:46):
But but there's.

Speaker 18 (02:12:47):
Guys down to the miners that are doing great. Jason
Alexander with a one and a half of the ra
and he's come up twice and pitch very well. Brandon
walter Man, by the way, I think they have more
pitching than they do bats, and right now, the Astros,
when I look at the lineup.

Speaker 8 (02:13:07):
I want to see more thump.

Speaker 18 (02:13:09):
I want to see I want to see somebody to
add to this lineup to help them score more runs.
Because I think pitching wise, they've done a phenomenal job.
You're trying to keep them healthy. There's a long way
to go the pitching man. I've been really impressed with
what they've been able to do to this point, and
I still think they have more in the tank.

Speaker 6 (02:13:27):
You don't just want wood, you want goodwood, right, Steve,
It's not just wood.

Speaker 8 (02:13:31):
We have goodwood, doesn't everybody? I mean that you want cherry,
you want you wor goodwood. You're exactly right, So.

Speaker 6 (02:13:39):
No question not it's selling you out because I'm just asking.
It is Arizona. It is a night game. There are
golf courses. Are you playing today?

Speaker 18 (02:13:50):
I've got too many people in town, Like I'm meeting
with a buddy of mine in an hour and a
half that I played with with the Tigers. Then I've
got a niece here that we're getting together the next day,
and the next day is at off days, so I
didn't have time. I'm just getting together with a couple
of people here the next couple of days.

Speaker 8 (02:14:06):
Other than that, man, I love playing here too.

Speaker 6 (02:14:09):
I'm one hundred per se because you could, you could
be done, but you can get eighteen holes in about
three hours, especially in the summertime. But you're a man. Yeah,
nobody's out there. You don't have to hit and wait,
and you're a man in need. Steve Golf will have
to take a back seat. Okay, it just will back this.

Speaker 8 (02:14:23):
Time this trip.

Speaker 18 (02:14:24):
Yeah, I've been looking forward to seeing a couple of people,
so this is always fun for me to come to Phoenix.

Speaker 6 (02:14:29):
Awesome, what a great city. Enjoy Hopefully we get these
taken care of and get this thing rolling, get healthy,
and the trade deadline will present something that can help
them as they look for the stretch.

Speaker 13 (02:14:39):
Run.

Speaker 6 (02:14:39):
Steve, great stuff today. I appreciate it and we look
forward to you next Monday. Brother, Thank you, thanks, take
care you too. That's a great Steve Sparks. Yeah, he uh.
And then his explanation on the grind dog days to
when it's the stretch, because it is, but you're still
dealing with the dogs. Getting guys rest. But yeah, I

(02:14:59):
found interesting He's going to go back more than pitching,
and for a guy who's a pictuer and knows how
important is it tells you he trusts pitching more, which
is a good thing. He's he always has a great
way of like, Okay, all right, well we'll hang in there,
you know what I'm saying. And they are four game leads,
so we don't really have to hang in that long.
They're pretty good now.

Speaker 7 (02:15:17):
Things are working out at least, I mean for the
most part. At the moment, you're fifteen games up, four
games ahead in the division and hopefully start getting guys
back here.

Speaker 6 (02:15:26):
Yeah, we're saying they're still on All Star break. Hey,
what are they going to do after? Well, Sean, probably
the same thing that did the Aime the same trade,
devinne There you go, July thirty first, about ten days away.
There we go.

Speaker 7 (02:15:36):
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Speaker 8 (02:15:39):
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old San Diego band.

Speaker 7 (02:16:24):
Yeah yeah, good guys, Tom Mark Travis. Yeah, they're and
and and quite big pottery fans.

Speaker 6 (02:16:30):
I'm not mistaken. So San Diego huge fan of those.
We're considering them old. We got problems, it's gonna say.
I mean, there's certain groups and I'm just like they
can't be old. Like I saw Fred Durst Limp Biscuit
showed up once and he just was fully gray out,
and I'm like, I can't have that, Like come on, man,
like put on put on the the red you know,
Yankee hat and and still be that young guy. And

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at least some of them still sing.

Speaker 7 (02:16:58):
But you know, we were talking about those Steve Sparks
he joined us for his weekly visits after the Astros
salvage game against the Mariners up in Seattle. Now they're
gonna get the Diamondbacks coming up here for a series.

Speaker 6 (02:17:11):
But I mean you touched on it.

Speaker 7 (02:17:13):
Going with the bat is what he feels like is
is more of the priority for this team. I'm guessing
and this is just a you know, a shot in
the dark here, but that he's more confident that we
are going to see Javier Arraghetti those guys come back
sooner rather than later, that if you're gonna have to
kind of choose between the two, that the bat is

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more the need than the starting pitching arm.

Speaker 6 (02:17:38):
My I'm gonna guess that even Steve, if Jordan was
playing right now and Raiken just your I'm just Jordan himself,
I'm going to suggest that Steve would still say another
bat even with the I think you're right. I think
he sees the he sees the okay, the end game,

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meaning we're going to get somebody these guys back starting
pitching in August. And you see he was very adam
about the August is the month he start to see
him filter back in and that when it gets right
down to it, and I think he's seen enough from
the pitching staff bullpen, and you know the guy's up
front and the way Walter's pitch to say we can
continue to do this. I believe he thinks that, and

(02:18:21):
just from hearing his comments, but I also believe that
even if Jordan was back, that Steve would have taken
the hitting over the pitching as far as what's needed
at the trade deadline, if you could only choose one.
And I don't blame him because I think we're on
the same page. Even though I'm greedy, I want both.
But he made a great point too. It will sting

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if you go get somebody. It's going to have to
because at this stage, people know what your necessities are,
they know what you lack, they know what you need,
and they know what maybe that certain teams are desperate for.
And if there's a line of more than one team involved,
it gets a little it gets a little dicey, and
you're going have to probably if they're that aggressive as
Steve talking, you're probably gonna have to part with the

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guy that you say, man, three years down the road,
this guy may be a hell of a player. That's
all part of the gig, and unfortunately injuries have brought
that to fruition this year.

Speaker 7 (02:19:12):
You know what I heard Steve say right there? I mean, Sean,
have you seen this lineup?

Speaker 6 (02:19:15):
Come on? Man's That's the way I heard Steve say it. Yeah.
And also I think there's a major deep respect in
his voice and his approach, and he sees him every
day for what the guys like Tremmel and this group
has done considering their circumstances. And Steve who better. I
mean when you're watching it every day and around it
and listening around to batting cages and watching pitch by

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pitch and swing by swing. He gets it. And Steve's
got a great way of like understanding how tough it
is that like for people want to quit on mc
colors and say, well wait a second, now, six man rotation,
get it going. But he gets it. But I'm with him.
You're gonna need some presence in the lineup, even with
Jord on Hell well, let me ask you this. If

(02:19:57):
Jordon was going good and really I mean kick an
ass and you can answer it coming back out of
the break and I don't know where you'd put him. Well,
now that you've got an injury to your third baseman,
are you interested in does it just have to be
left handed power? Or are you interested in Suarez from Arizona.

Speaker 7 (02:20:16):
See, it's funny you say that, because I actually thought
about that very thing.

Speaker 6 (02:20:19):
Yes, does it just have to be left handed power?
You get a guy like that, he's going to strike out,
but dude, he'll tatter the Crawford boxes with his power.
I'm just wonderinggin third base depth right now, right where.
I just wonder if if you can't get left handed power,
are you okay with right handed power still as opposed
to a starting pitcher or bull it'll sting. But I'm

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looking at a guy like that saying you want ball
that hits the seats. He gets regardless of what you
think about. Every year he is, he is leveling up
and driving the ball out of the ballpark. I just
wonder if a guy like that, if you can't get
left hander, if that matters, because I mean, there is that,
along with the good and the bad with jrd Oncet
situation right now, that I do think we can talk
about as well. Gary, see you right there, a couple

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of others there on the phone lines.

Speaker 7 (02:21:06):
That means a couple of spots open for you. Seven
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Speaker 6 (02:21:16):
The seven ninety listener line here.

Speaker 7 (02:21:18):
In the nine o'clock hour is presented by one eight
hundred car cash Bobby Griffin that he'd I think a
lot of people have it's it seems like, but uh, anyway,
it's such a well, the battle between him and Clark
is such a tired act.

Speaker 6 (02:21:32):
I'm sick of it. I am those two to go
fight somewhere else and save her the back and forth
race bait talk. But I get why Shack when shack'suppen
because he's such a fun loving guy, but he's also
seven foot three hundred and thirty pounds of full grown
ass man. That well, I haven't seen Robert Griffin respond
to that. Just say he probably said I'm going to

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stay out of this one. It's just probably that's that's
that's one you probably can't.

Speaker 7 (02:21:55):
That's what that's what they call on social media getting ratioed.
He would get ratioed you for that, like you never
saw it, and leave it alone. Shack's got plenty of back.
I don't think RG three has that back, well, he
wants no part of that.

Speaker 6 (02:22:08):
At some point, I'm sure RG three will reach out
to M say man, I'm sorry, I'll do that in private, right,
hoping it stays in private, right, because I don't know.
You just don't not that you're afraid of him. I mean,
you're a grown ass man to do it, but it
probably adds a little perspective of enough, just stay out
of the Angel Reese not saying you can't criticize her.
But then the other side, it was like, if you're

(02:22:30):
if you're a reactionary guy, you're like, that's screw shack.
I'll tweet whatever the hell I want to if you
want to come find me, here's my address. You know,
there's that, there's that group, but that's probably if it
ever came that probably a one sided battle. I wouldn't
imagine Bobby Griffin wants any part of that one.

Speaker 7 (02:22:44):
You'd have to pack a hell of a lunch, and
I don't even think there's a lunch large enough.

Speaker 6 (02:22:48):
And it'd have to be in a pale not a
brown bag, because yeah, you'll use that to knock you
over your head. So yeah, so I guess message sent.
But Uh yeah, the big fellow, the big Diesel is
a fun loving guy. But he didn't smile when he
when he did that video.

Speaker 7 (02:23:04):
So, having having seen him numerous times in person, it's
every single time that I see him, the more recent one,
it's I'm still like, I can't believe there's a human
being that is this large.

Speaker 6 (02:23:16):
Yeah, in a great colleague who was in the longest
yard is bigger. Jeez, it is bigger. And I did
see him on a flight one. Yeah, I was like, hey,
I'm huge, and what a good guy. But I'll play
I've told you. Yeah, standing on the sidelines. I'll never
forget when when you can make Anthony Munjos and Tony
Biseli look like kids, I'd children. And it was weird.

(02:23:39):
I was standing there and dude, I'm six five to
forty five, and then BISSELLI. It was weird. It was
like it was like I'm standing there and I'm looking
at Biseli's right there and stares me. Yeah, but he's bigger,
and then Munjos is lost with but Munjos is Munjos,
and then Shaq standing next to him. It's like, uh, well,
one of these things is not like the other. I
don't belong in that photo with those guys. It was

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a game. We kicked Oklahoma's ass on the sideline, got
the oorchs bowl yea yeah, and they just mean scored fifth,
hung fifty plus one, probably could have hung eighty on
him right, and White flagged in that game. I think
Jason White said, you can look, we're done, man, But
that Shack was on the sidelines, and it's like all
those guys were and it's like, I'll send there observe
and say, when's the last time Moon looked like a
twelve year old? And Shaq can make a lot of

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people look shrinked. He and without trying to shrink him,
he shrinks him because he's just such a math. But
there's nobody that's that big with that acts like and
I mean this affection because I love it. There's no
bigger child on the planet than Shaq. You know, loves
to dabble with all the fun stuff. He's just a kid.
The dancing, Oh, he just a kid. And it's and
when he gets to laugh and you can't control it.

(02:24:44):
I just I love guys like that. He takes his
you know, and it seems like if you want a
pitch man to sell you your product. If Shaq, if
Shack endorses it, anything I do for now. And if
I do, I'm just gonna say, Shack, could you say
something good about it? Right and say yeah, sure, I man,
I use this good because right and there, all of
a sudden, it turns to gold. So it's a pretty
good product endorsmer for you too.

Speaker 7 (02:25:04):
I remember once because our good buddy John Kinkaid used
to do the podcast with Shack, they did a live taping.
Well they're both in Atlanta, yeah right, yeah, and I
remember somebody had asked him what was your favorite endorsement,
and he said the General because that was the first
car insurance I ever had, So he said, it's the General.

Speaker 6 (02:25:20):
But it also is perfect for him because it kind
of lets him be a child, yeah, you know, and
do kind of goofy stuff with the cartoon General. Oh yeah,
he just he's just great. But you know, the big fellas. Uh,
he's a fun watch and he's talked about a guy
he's parlated. And the money he makes away from basketball
is got to be one hundred times more than he made.

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He'sn't a player and he was getting paid too, but
he's a. He's really good. I like the fact that
he's got a bunch of kid in him, you know
that that's why he approaches his.

Speaker 7 (02:25:49):
Name reminds me of the old Robin Wright story when
she was on the set of Princess Bride that she
said it was really cold, and Andre the Giant like
he could tell that she was cold. He put his
entire hand on her head like almost like to like,
you know, have it be like a beanie for her
to keep her warm.

Speaker 6 (02:26:08):
Yeah, where no wind can hit it because his hands
covering her whole skull.

Speaker 8 (02:26:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:26:12):
Yeah, those big fellas like that. But I love the
fact that Sha Shack still acts.

Speaker 5 (02:26:16):
Like a kid.

Speaker 7 (02:26:17):
It's a good thing. No, we did more of it, Yeah,
we definitely do. We definitely do. Someone three two, one, two,
five seven ninety is the number to get in Gary
and Spring wants the way in Gary.

Speaker 6 (02:26:25):
Good morning, Hey, good morning guys.

Speaker 8 (02:26:28):
Greg show is as always.

Speaker 9 (02:26:29):
I was wanting to comment on the importance of that
win yesterday, but then after that I'd like to follow
up with a question for you. Uh that win yesterday,
Going into that game, you know, they really needed it
because their dabbers were down, you know, losing ground.

Speaker 6 (02:26:45):
YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 9 (02:26:46):
But that win yesterday far exceeded just a dub in
the in the win column. Actually it's a two game
swing swing because they could have been only two out
or two ahead. Now they're four ahead. So and so
that game for the team overall was huge. I mean
it was gigantic. But uh, I want to ask you

(02:27:07):
a question. Uh, yesterday, when what was what's the center
fielder's name that hit that horn?

Speaker 6 (02:27:14):
Taylor Tremill.

Speaker 8 (02:27:16):
Uh Tramiel.

Speaker 9 (02:27:17):
Yes, Okay, So I was watching that game and everything
in the bedroom. My wife's in the front room on
Sundays watching her girly shows and everything. So uh, when
uh Walker hit that first home run, I mean I
let out the biggest scream. I won't do it here
on the on the phone. I don't want to hit
your ears, but but I went, whoa.

Speaker 6 (02:27:41):
Real real loud?

Speaker 9 (02:27:42):
And then and then when the center fielder hit his
home run, guess what I did?

Speaker 6 (02:27:45):
I went, whoa real real loud?

Speaker 8 (02:27:49):
So you get you get where I went on that.

Speaker 7 (02:27:52):
Yeah, No, I mean it definitely was a good turnaround
from what we had been.

Speaker 6 (02:27:57):
Like Josh Reddick, I was gonna say or or the
nature himself.

Speaker 8 (02:28:02):
Actually, who what was the picture's name.

Speaker 6 (02:28:06):
That was pitching for the Astros yesterday.

Speaker 9 (02:28:08):
No, the pitching that gave up the back to back
home run.

Speaker 7 (02:28:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I went.

Speaker 13 (02:28:19):
There.

Speaker 6 (02:28:20):
You got a good show. See Gary, appreciate it, buddy, Yeah,
I get it.

Speaker 7 (02:28:27):
Okay, yeah, because at first all it's like like like
Rick Flair, like the nature Boy, like yeah I know
that one.

Speaker 6 (02:28:32):
But yeah, good, well they did it and yesterday's run
production was important. Would love to see more of that.

Speaker 7 (02:28:39):
But you'd love to see it at least, I mean
where you are right now, and and we can pick
this up. On the other side, is it's just you
don't get greedy. You take wins where you can get
them right now.

Speaker 6 (02:28:49):
And dude, I don't care what they look like, ugly, whatever,
it doesn't matter. Keep getting them. And you got to
keep stacking them so you can rest, you can get
a little rest, get healthy. I hope the problem becomes
we get a surplus of starting pitching and hitting gets healthy.
So he's like, oh, they were able to stave off
all the stuff for three quarters of the season and

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get their guys right, and now the baseball world should
be a little bit more nervous because they're in first
place without having these guys, and now that they got them,
it could bode really well for them. And after all
that they've been through this year, it would kind of
be nice to have that next step be where we
got everybody healthy and ready to go, at least those
that can get healthy. And now it's like, I'm not
sure who to play. I got eight starting pitchers. Wouldn't

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that be nice?

Speaker 7 (02:29:32):
It would be you know, Wilson Phillips sas to hold
on for one more day. In this case, it's hold
on for maybe a few more weeks at this point,
and that's not necessarily a place you want to be in,
but that's where they find themselves, all right. I still
want to get into the jord On thing and also
to a couple of other Astros thoughts here as we
continue on on the Sean Salisbury Show, The Matt Thomas

(02:29:54):
Show with Ross coming up ten to two right here
on your home of the Astros and the Rockets Sports
Talk seven to ninety, let.

Speaker 1 (02:30:01):
This celebration start war.

Speaker 3 (02:30:03):
Sean Salisbury on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (02:30:09):
Leves great arm but hadn't come to fruition. Here's what
I unless he heard it recently. Why didn't this shoulder
surgery get done in the office, That's what I want
to know too. I mean, if you knew it was
bothering him at some point times like it's not healing
or not getting better, why would you wait till a
month before or three and well, no hour, what two
weeks before, a week before, days before to say, well,
he's out for the season. Let's let's let's put him

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on a shelf. Why wouldn't you if you're hearing for
somebody else in January unless you heard it worse between
now and then. But it's a hard thing to do
in the off season when you're just you know, playing
golf and warming up and throwing balls on the side
and lifting weights and running. So I don't know, it's
it seems odd. But it also just validates the fact
that there will be no competition for the quarterback job

(02:30:51):
in Tennessee. It's going to be a rookie and they're
hoping he plays like Stroud and Jayden Daniels did their
rookie years and and the rest of the division is
hoping that he plays like well, Anthony Richardson, and we'll see.
But the kid's a really talented kid. It was inevitable anyway.
But I don't know. I don't know why you'd wait
this long if you knew that you were struggling with it,
why you'd wait till a week or so before season

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makes no sense to me.

Speaker 7 (02:31:14):
Now, man, Now, I mean it is pretty much all
the camp Ward show there, because I mean, like you said,
it was probably going to be that anyway. But now,
I mean, Brandon Allen, I think is a possibility. Did
I see Mason kid from Arkansas?

Speaker 8 (02:31:28):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:31:29):
Yeah? Is Rudolph there now? Yeah? Well, Mason Rudolph was
in Pittsburgh. Did he go back to Pittsburgh?

Speaker 4 (02:31:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:31:34):
He was actually the starting quarterback in the room until
Rogers got there. If I'd not mistaken. I think the
Mason Rudolph is now and he's still in the same room.
And they also drafted Will Howard. Yeah in Pittsburgh. I'm
talking about it. And it's Brandon Allen and Tim Boyle
there you go. Both both have been backups and got
a little bit of run. But Boyle was I think
a backup with the Jets for a minute. Brandon Allen's

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been on a couple teams in the League former. Well,
I think Arkansas was his school. Yeah. So yeah, but
put it this way, you're not You're You're planning on
seventeen games from a rookie who's a big time playmaker,
and he may get you in a little trouble early on,
but he has a good way of bringing people back.
He's a very talented kid, and he's got great perspective,
and listen to his interviews and his approach. I expect,

(02:32:18):
as long as they give him some players, I think
cam Ward is going to be a good player in
the league. A lot of experience on three different schools
in college. Yeah, definitely Incarnate Word Washington State, and then
obviously finished up at Miami and you and and threw
them into a lot of games. And Miami's hoping that
Carson Beck gives them what cam Ward gave them here
in his final year of college. Now, good luck with

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that one. Yeah. I was going about to say, I
watched that game get worse every year as opposed to
get better now Carson becks. So we'll see if Miami
can rekindle that how he started it at George as
opposed to how he finished.

Speaker 7 (02:32:51):
Mentioned the good or the bad with jord On good
and the bad not the ore. But the good is
while he's still swinging a bat, that at least gives
you a runway to believe that he can make his
way back to the team this year. The bad sean,
this is stage four at this point. If he has
another he's got inflammation, any of those things, we got

(02:33:13):
to shut him down again. If you're the Asters, at
that point, you just got to say this just isn't
gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (02:33:17):
Well, and you make a great point. I agree with you.
But my question is, let's say they had to shut
him down again for any just it was a time
to be determined, right, would you are you still willing
to say, hang in there, hanging as long as there's
no surgery involved. Are you willing to stay hang in there,
hanging there, and let let's see if mother nature kicks
in and hell, just to have him for the last

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three weeks of the season in the postseason would be
worth the weight? Would you be okay with that?

Speaker 7 (02:33:43):
I just I have no guarantees that you would even
be able to get that right at that point, because
you shut him down again, that's at least another month.

Speaker 6 (02:33:49):
Yeah, at least I would think if you shut him
down again, this would just I'm depending on the intro.
I would think when you shut somebody down again, it
can't just be for threshold of pain. It would have
to be structural, right, where you'd say we got to
do some kind of go in there and repair something.
I would think, Now, like I said, I don't know,
you know, some of these it can just just last longer.

(02:34:10):
But if they shut him down again and it's and
then he says, well, I'm good to go, but they
just can't. It just can't get the strength or the
where you can just handle the pain of it. Then
and you shut him down and say we're going to
give another month. And maybe you do, because having him
back is always a plus. But I would think if
you shut him down again, it's one of those that
you'd have to consider, is it is it pain threshold

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or is there a structure situation where we have to
do something in there to repair this thing? And then
that obviously would shut him down the rest of the year.

Speaker 7 (02:34:36):
I mean, because that you know, as we've touched on
with next week being the trade deadline, this is a teaze, right,
It's a it's a tease because you want him back
and you know how good he can be. Well, I
mean it's that, but it's also I mean trying to
figure out who's out there, who's available, and who can
help this team right now, because make no mistake about it,
they need guys that.

Speaker 6 (02:34:54):
Can help this team right now. Well you want to
bring you back here? No? No, oh, will you're a break?
Exactly right? Okay, everybody panics?

Speaker 7 (02:35:04):
True, No, I was gonna say the reaction was was
genuine because I was like, are you asking us who
I think you are?

Speaker 6 (02:35:11):
Is any a twenty plus home run guy? Now? Dan?
You had him here for Christianbasco, That's what I'm saying.
So it's it's you have there's some things going on
out there. There are some left handed power bats you
can get. But I think tomorrow we should talk about
what if the team they're getting ready to play thirty
five home runs? If you can't get left handed power,
Steve Sparks would take hitting over pitching right now if

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you only had one. Does a guy like Suarez come
into play for Arizona to hear? I mean, does he
come into play? You know what you're getting from him?
You're gonna get power you're gonna get strake ups. But
now the third base depending on the hamstring, plug and
play guy right. I don't know. Is it into play
just because he doesn't or is it out of play
because he's power from the right handed side. Something. They're

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gonna have to decide.

Speaker 7 (02:35:53):
Some options to weigh out, no doubt about it. That's
gonna do it for us. Here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
He's Sean Triple, Emmanuel Elmore, Dan Matthews, here with you
The Matt Thomas Show with Ross coming up next. Right here,
Sports Talk seven ninety