Astros Lose Series To Brewers, Rockets Offseason Predictions, NBA Game 2 Previews

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Salsbury.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Okay, let's do this.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Sewan Salisbury.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Salisbury to usc Troup, longtime friend, Shawn Salisbury.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Dan matthewscuse. This is the Sean Salisbury show.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Pitch. It's a butt and it's all the way to
the third baseman. He makes the catch, all the way
in the air to Durban. I'll two ve tried to
get one down, but it went up. That's the second out.
Two outs, men on first and second, two to one count.
Here's the pitch. Clubs at to right field. Back on
it goes Cameron, Daz Cameron still going.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Back and she's gone.

Speaker 6 (00:49):
Brendan Rogers.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
His first home run is an astro and it's a
big one, a three run job.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's four to three.

Speaker 7 (00:59):
Two with the lead. First too in the dirt, skips
to the right of the catcher. Contreras. How two bay
takes off throw down a second out. How twove saw
that ball get away from Contreras. Didn't get very far
from him. It was just in the opposite batter's box,
and Contrera's are great arm and he showed it off there.

(01:19):
The bases are empty with two outs. Here's the O
two swinging in a mess. Rogers strikes out on the
curve ball, and that is the ballgame. The Milwaukee Brewers
score four times in the first inning and they defeat
the Astros four to three. Astros suffer their third straight loss,

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and we'll try and avoid getting swept in Milwaukee tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 8 (01:43):
Now, I know what some of you are thinking. You're
thinking this is I mean, come on, man, it's you know,
a happy belated thirty fifth birthday to jose A l
two ve. But you're just beating up on jose al
two vay. And that's the highs and lows of Brendan Rodgers.
And that was the whole game. Come on, Dan, well,
I mean pretty much it was as you just heard
Robert Ford give you the final score last night. But

(02:03):
I mean me and you were just talking about it,
Sean is a way we go here on the Seawn
Salisbury Show.

Speaker 9 (02:08):
Yeah, Dan, this is who they've been. See some opportunities
once in a while and leave it hanging a bunch
of other times. Now, when you say this, we were
not talking about a team that will loses like the

(02:29):
White Sox did.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Even though the White Sox be you two or three games, right,
You get my point? They had a rough loss. Yes.

Speaker 9 (02:35):
To my point is this is a talented baseball team
that we're going to keep saying it's early until they
get hot.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
We always do, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (02:44):
It could be forty five games and they'll do this
until they get hot and roll for We're going to
say it's early, even if it's game seventy. I'm just
telling you that's the way it works. And on the
good side, when you roll and you're like, damn, we're
rolling good, hopefully this can continue and you tread lightly.
This team is going to have that. This is what
it's going to look like. Dude, you just got to understand.
This is for the most part, but in truth, as

(03:06):
I said yesterday, beginning of the season, this struggle offensively,
it would be a lot worse than Steve Sparks said
it initially about when you seeing things happen this early
season because it's the beginning we were talking about. I
think Christian Walker, it's it's heightened because you open the season,
everybody's excited and it's glaring. You're the new guy, and
if you're struggling, once it goes it's like anything else.

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If I asked you, right now, who what defensive tackle
missed a tackle in the Super Bowl and you're not
specifically knowing, you say, well, didn't happen all the time.
It just kind of fits in, right, linebacker cleans up,
I'm sure Jal Carter, Oh yeah, sure, exactly, and made
some place too. Yeah, that's that's kind of like in football,
it's like, oh, yeah, you may have missed forty tackles,
but it's the middle of this. It's not the first game.
Guy steps out of a sack, right, missing a tackle.

(03:51):
What's different the miss tackle to sack ones for lost
ones at the light of scrimmage or tackle in the backfield.
We're normally saying, oh man, he missed a sack. The misstackle.
It's like, that's part football. I think that in some sense,
this is the way it's going to be in truth,
that's the way you live in baseball. The other stuff
where you make lose like the White Sox did last night,
when like the Royals did. Those are the extremes, right

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or the Yankees are giants? No, that's exactly right.

Speaker 8 (04:16):
We both decided out, let's have you know, multiple runs
in the.

Speaker 9 (04:20):
That's right, and score you know fifteen in a game.
But those are the outliers, right, so you live here.
It's just depending on how you franchise and how the
expectations placed on. And we have high expectations even with
the changes. We assume they're supposed to be a World
Series team anyway, and they will be. I think their
pitching staff proves to me on a regular basis. They
got it now was nesk you got what four innings,

(04:41):
but grind it out of that first slow start and
the bullpen was magnificent. No runs the rest of the game.
Problem is they could only muster up the three run job,
which was a little too late, and then base running gaps.
The one thing is, like we said that, you can
talk about Hose tvased career, phenomenal, love him, and when
you say something negatives like man, do I I feel
uncomfortable talking about it.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Sure.

Speaker 9 (05:02):
The truth of the matter is he's one of the
worst base runners you'll ever see. Decision he just did.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
He just is.

Speaker 9 (05:07):
He's not a good base runner. Whether it's the timing
not understand for a guy, he just he just isn't.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
He's not.

Speaker 9 (05:13):
He doesn't expect can he run, Yeah, steal the base
once in a while, he's not. He makes some indecisive
decisions on a on something you have to be extremely
decisive about, and that's the base pass. So yeah, Dan,
it's it's frustrating. But if I told you they're gonna
win eighty eight games and that's the chance to win
the division in the beginning of the season, and we did.

(05:34):
We picked this eighty six, eighty seven, eighty somewhere in
that range. Whether you took the over the under, how
Vegas sits the line, think about it?

Speaker 2 (05:43):
No, I don't.

Speaker 9 (05:44):
I don't know anybody said it was a ninety four
win team, a ninety two win team.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 9 (05:49):
Maybe a call or two, but I don't know anybody
that you watch the TASE. Oh yeah, this is ninety
plus wins. So they're kind of playing to who we
you know, equals what nine games over five hundred?

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Not about right?

Speaker 9 (06:04):
They play eighty games? No, no, not yeah, no, ninety
wins one hundred and sixty. No, that that's like twenty games, yeah,
eighteen hundred. I'm thinking the first half of the season,
so eighty I was actually thinking just home games eight.
So you go, you go, ninety wins, you're almost twenty
games over five hundred, So they get to eighty eight wins,
eighty seven wins, you're sixteen seventeen games over five hundred.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
You're usually held it around the playoffs.

Speaker 9 (06:27):
So damn when you think about that eighty you know,
eighty eight and seventy something or eighty four and seventy
eight whatever that you know buck sixty two, that you're
only three or four games away from hoverard to the playoffs.
So when you look at the big pictures, like, okay,
it's on schedule, but I don't like some of the
visuals we see. It's not a clear vision of what

(06:47):
you want to see, and I think that's part of it.
We want it clear, and we want to be the
Dodgers right now where you're sill.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Hit the ball all to the park.

Speaker 9 (06:53):
We will wait for that streak the Padres went on,
you know when the Dodgers, when they were in first
place for a minute over the Dodgers. So you wait
and at some point they'll hit it. My thing is
not that one streak, it's can you put together four
or five of them in eight to ten game increments
the rest of the season. But the frustrating when you
see a base running air, and you see runs and
score pitching runners in the scoring position with an oportunity.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Can' push him across.

Speaker 9 (07:16):
He was you love getting back into it with home run,
and then all of a sudden, you know, with what
Brendan Rodgers home run and then unfortunate the last out
of the game. And then you say, well, starting pitching
goes deeper, and they've been going deeper, and Wiznski he's
got a good future. Even his record doesn't indicate how
well he's kind of pitched. He's done some good things.
And then then you're saying, well, the hitting is gonna
come alive, and you start to look at pieces they

(07:38):
just that they miss on, and then you say, well,
the bullpen's great.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
They've done a great job this year.

Speaker 9 (07:42):
They have, and in the one game they messed up,
bloom Blanco hung in there, couldn't.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Close it out.

Speaker 9 (07:46):
So it's they haven't yet saying hitting, defense, pitching, bullpen,
offense all come together for about ten fifteen games, and
that's what you're waiting. But it can't just be once.
And so when you think about the big picture, eighty
eight wins, does eighty eight wins get you in?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
No, I would think so. Yeah, right, so what does
that put you down?

Speaker 9 (08:05):
It's put you I mean, eighty eight wins is going
to get you over five hundred in a good way, right, so,
or at least hovering in this division in the playoffs,
even though the Optics may not look.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Like a World Series team.

Speaker 9 (08:16):
So while it's a long season, it's just now we
want instant gratify. I do watching the frustration of watching it.
Not that I'm doing any better, but our job is
to watch it and analyze it. And there are some
self inflicted errors and that clutch gene that you're used
to seeing here. In truth, it's we've missed it for
about at times a lot of times last year and

(08:37):
the start of this year. The clutch gene which this
team built its whole reputation on has been missing more
than we expected to. Well, it's too much. I mean
I'm talking about at the plate.

Speaker 8 (08:50):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, too much, because the
numbers will exactly back you up on that. Brian McTaggart
last night, astrosmen scoring three or four three.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I didn't see Bryan's I usually would. I'll usually see
it in.

Speaker 8 (09:02):
The morning six and fifteen when they score three and
fewer this season eleven and three when they score four
or more. And obviously one of those three losses came
on Sunday when you had the rain shortened game against
the White Sox. Who knows what would happen there, But
the moral of the story is you'll loft to three.
And I mean, I'm gonna take it a step further
with the base running because it's al tuove. It's kind

(09:23):
of exacerbated. But this is a team that doesn't do
it well as is.

Speaker 9 (09:27):
They haven't done it well since I moved to this
time you got you got Jake Myers getting picked off
at second base the other day on a back door pick.
I mean, this is a team that's, you know, stil
High school, the old high school. You can't you can't
make that air.

Speaker 8 (09:38):
I mean not only you going, but also you being
unable to throw out runners at second base. I mean,
there's a reason I tweeted out every single time you
see them throw out a guy trying to steal a base,
because it just hasn't happened very much. It seems like
you've had a revolving door over there at first base
making it over to second where it's just like, good God, man,
like make an adjustment, like do a Tyler Anderson like hesitation,

(09:59):
like leg kick or something to throw these guys off, like.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
My god, little slidestep on their ass.

Speaker 8 (10:05):
I mean something, because it's just it's so many times
that they run themselves out of innings or then they
give up the extra base.

Speaker 9 (10:13):
Yeah, it's a problem. You get on it right now.
And it's not for what. It's not just one person's fault.
It may be the throw one time, it may be
the move and not holding them. The number of throws
that you can you know, all the put it this way,
it's become a problem. Do I save one of these
throws over the first But you know what I'm saying,
which as many times you can make per runner throw

(10:34):
over you know at the time. So it's obviously advantageous
for the team that runs, but it's gonna be a problem,
dare if they can't get people. Because right now, the
special teams, which I call base running, a couple of
other things base run, and they've not been you know,
Kyle Tucker could steal forty bases. But the problem is
the overall the parts were better than the sum. The

(10:56):
way this team runs a basis, and it does, it
gets them. But the special teams I put in is also,
like you said, being able to throw people out consistently.
And you're standing on your head right now when you
do throw somebody out because you're you're almost looking say
what kind of pianos that dude carrying and running for
first or second, Because it's got to the point that
if you walk or get a single, you almost feel

(11:18):
like the guy's standing on second base and it's it's
it's it's gonna be you get teams that not only
can drive. When you've got a guy who can run
and he's a table setter but gets on automatically, you
know he's getting on second base, and then you run
into the boppers on some teams that are rolling, that's
a prob they're gonna lose games late because of it.
And you and I both know are right and they're
gonna but it's gonna even get it's gonna get more

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if they if they don't get this fixed. And in
the process of doing it in season, here's the problem.
You almost got to retrain yourself as a pitcher to
do something different that you're not used to doing. Right
because it doesn't matter how straight. Pudge, Rodriguez and Benure
both behind the player buster posey ain't throwing anybody out,
Manny sam Gian, I don't give you the strongest arm
guys on the planet. And Pudge was as good as

(12:00):
there was. He ain't thrown him out. Even I don't
care if it's pop time, all of it. You can
when they get that kind of jump, and teams know
right now a heavy weakness for them is the run
game on both sides, the ability to throw it out,
ability to to pro to be smart on the base pass.
So I'll make them sometimes, but they make some unforced
airs on the base pass, it'll make you shake your head.

Speaker 8 (12:20):
Well, and the good news is, I mean you still
are fielding it pretty well. I mean you get some
good defensive work out there last night. But I mean
back to al Twov, I threw this out immediately after
the bunt lineout that he had after Jeremy Pania had
just bunted, And of course you know how I feel
about bunting. But my whole thing about it is you've
played this game long enough, man, Like, I'm not going

(12:40):
to micromanager at bats. Far be it for me to
do that, you're probably gonna be a three thousand hit
guy in your career and be a first ballot Hall
of Famer. So again, there's no saying anything to that guy.
But the only thing I would.

Speaker 9 (12:52):
Say above criticism on some of these things, and.

Speaker 8 (12:55):
That's it is, I mean, you're down four to nothing
that one run right there, while yes, hey, you know
they they matched together all of that, and you know,
maybe you know those are a couple of runs last
night that we're talking a five to four win as
opposed to a four to three loss.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
But like they're giving you a run.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
You guys have shown that you have the propensity to
pound it into the dirt to shortstop anyway.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Just do that. Just do that, and maybe again you
have an opportunity to at the very least go to
extra innings.

Speaker 9 (13:25):
Last night, Well, if you go to extra ends, you
get a find chance. Sure, and judging by the way
the bullpen's been, you'd say, and after that that that
late inating by a bray you wet bingo bango bongo
boom boom bo might have got a second one out
of it. Yeah, right, so yeah, it was, uh, it's
going to cause in trouble the bigger picture though, the
things you're not out, the constant slugging the ball, because

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I don't think right now now you know the ability
of the team, but right now you're not fearing the
ball flying all over the ballpark right now?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Does that make sense? No, not at all if you're
if you're the posy pitcher.

Speaker 9 (13:58):
Normally this team is feasted on the ability to wear
to the fatigue factor for opposing pitchers. Oh my gosh,
I got this guy hitting in the seven hole and
I can't get him out either. That's been a calling
card for them, and right now there's not enough of
that going on in the lineup.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
They they've got some judgement. Yes early, we're here.

Speaker 9 (14:16):
We'll say a million times it's early, but we're only
judging by almost forty games.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well that's all you have to judge on.

Speaker 9 (14:21):
And well, if we're judging good by the Dodgers or
the Yankees, and you also have to u you got
to be fair and look at it and say some
of the things they aren't doing, and there is I
would understand why this fan base is frustrated as hell
right now with some of the because this is a carryover.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
From last year and that's what you hate.

Speaker 9 (14:40):
They're doing something good. You want the carryover. Not doing
something good, you want to eliminate that. When you don't,
we're all of a sudden thinking this is one hundred
this is a two hundred game issue because of the
last years and now forty plu right around forty thirty
six thirty seven games in that. Now you're you're almost saying, well,
this isn't just thirty games. This is one hundred and sixty,
one hundred and seventy hundred and eighty games. Yep, that's

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the bothersome part.

Speaker 8 (15:02):
Yeah, it's frustrating all the way around. Jason c right
there by the way to programming. Note, usually we have
Dana Brown at Wednesdays at nine thirty. That's gonna be
tomorrow as so we'll have Dana on our Thursday show
here on the Sean Salisbury Show. But uh, we'll continue
this conversation next. Work you into the conversation seven one
three two one two five seven ninety against seven one

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three two one two five seven ninety. Just get started
here on a Wednesday Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Now back to Sean Salisbury.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Jason wants to do so, Jason, good morning.

Speaker 10 (15:43):
Uh, you went from a great song and you just
gotta bring up the bad news about Golden State winning game.
One man, we hate those guys.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, and I saw.

Speaker 8 (15:55):
I saw rockets Twitter last night too, when Steph got hurt,
and they're like, we're just being trolled at the point.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
Oh yeah, how.

Speaker 10 (16:03):
Y'all fella's doing this morning? I kept playing driving home
from March. You know, I listened to y'all show every morning.
I hear a lot of people call in and talk
about last year's team. But you know, last year's team
is way different from this year's team. And you know

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the difference last year when we was in this same
position we're in now is there was leadership, There was veteranship.
Defensively we were sound, and offensively we was doing what
we had to do. We was beating the bad teams,
and we had to beat the bad teams. And look,
I'm one of those guys that look at the schedule

(16:46):
at the beginning of the year and I see the
Chicago White Sox and I'm thinking, you know what if
we're having a bad game, you know, or we're in
the dumps a little bit, you know, that could be
our bounce back. You go from beating the Tigers, who
are one of the best teams in baseball right now,
to lose into the White Socks, and you know, you

(17:08):
got to hear your manager talk about you know, you
know we're gonna get there, We're gonna do this, you know.
And I know callers will call in sometimes and be like, well,
that guy, you know, he just got to be more positive.
But let's just be honest with ourselves. What positive things
are they doing right now? I mean, I'm not gonna

(17:29):
knock any player, but you know, putting daz In, who's
really not done much this season other than a Grand
Slam and a couple of RBIs, I mean, you got
to put somebody in there that you know, at that
point in time can probably hit the ball. But in
the case of baseball, you never know when that happens.

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You know, you just go with what you know or
go with what you think. I think we'll turn around eventually.
But defensively, we've got to be better. Offensively, we got
to start knocking in runs. It's good to see a
guy other than our two they or you know, your
big guys, you know, like you know, Brendan Rodgers yesterday

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hitting a three run homer, you know, first home run,
which was actually a good time. At the same time,
you know, I'm watching the game with my buddy and
my wife and they're like, well, we still got two
innings left. So for us to hit a three run
homer and hear my buddy and my wife say, well,
we still got two innings left, We've got to do something.
You know, that's that's.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
Just horrible to hear.

Speaker 10 (18:33):
I hope we bounce back, but right now we just
whatever whatever is going on, we got to figure it
out because, like you say, we could be one game
in the end of the season in the playoffser what
could be one game down? As always doings. I love
your show. Love listening to y'all. Y'all stay dry.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Today, Jason, appreciate it. Buddy, get I meant to go
and get some all that work, dude. We love our
third shifters.

Speaker 8 (19:02):
We love our truck drivers, you know we we we
love anybody that you know puts in a hard day's work.
You love your morning baristas too. You know what we
are the Raiseleinsky of sports talk radio. We instead of
making car parts, we do sports talk radio for the
American working man.

Speaker 9 (19:18):
Because that's who we are and that's what we care about.
You damned rights. And I'm gonna tell you what, our
truck drivers, men and women.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Are awesome out there. We got a great group of them.

Speaker 8 (19:25):
Awesome, love them for sure, especially to you know when
when you ask them if they can honk the horn
and they they they oblige you on that. And you know,
it's kind of like when you're a little kid. No
matter how old you get, it never gets old. But
I mean, look, the leadership part of it is kind
of what I'm gonna take from Jason's call right there.
Leadership is fine, but leadership is not. Hey, put together

(19:46):
a good app bat here with runners in scoring position,
you know it, put together you know, be aggressive when
you need to be aggressive, but also to don't be
overly aggressive where you're anxious at the plate.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Like that's not leadership. That's that's you know.

Speaker 8 (19:58):
And I understand that people are gonna look at Alex
Tron when really, in all honesty, Troy Knicker is the
hitting coach for this team. Whenever you look into the dugout,
he's the guy that's working hands on with hitters and
and and not to you know, say that anybody deserves
blame on that. But the point is, like, that's not leadership.
You can do all the raw ra stuff you want.
It's all fine and good whenever you're winning, but then

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when you're losing, people want to point to that. I
just I think it's a convenient excuse, is where I'm
going with it.

Speaker 9 (20:25):
Yeah, well, uh, it's a it's an easy excuse too,
but one that I'm with you on. I I think
it's a lazy one, don't you agree? Yes, lazy. And
it's not raw raw, it's you know what it is,
it's in truth. It's when things are going at their worst,

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how do you get everybody to raise up and find
a way to be at their best? I don't know
what that. I mean if we could bottle it up.
Is it a key base hit? Is it a players
only mean? No, it's not a players only mean. It's
just being able to And the truth is a lot
of times good leadership is helping your team get through
those bad moments so they can get to the good
ones and just and feel keep that feeling of we're

(21:08):
still good. Listen, I know there's people out there that
think the pro athletes their confidence like they they're cocky
and arrogant that it's not fragile bull. You and I
both know that, and we've been around the best I've
ever been around her is insecure and fragile.

Speaker 8 (21:22):
Does it get They pay more attention to all the
I don't read it, I don't listen to it than.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
You know, We're right.

Speaker 9 (21:28):
But they also the great ones, even though they may
be sensitive that they listen. The best I've known or
is sensitive to everything. That's why they you know, those
fears that they have, and so they use them for
their advantage and they drive themselves to do some us
whatever that leadership is. I've been on teams where a
guy has been struggling but did the right thing most
of the time, even if he wasn't producing, still showed

(21:48):
up on time, still had the same attitude. I think
that's a part of leadership too. How does your attitude
shift when things are good and when they're badkindicate would
I be able to tell the difference? And I know
some people, you know, raw Rock guy, when it's good
or what have you, and some things when it's not.
Then I refer to him a lot in this And
Warren Moon was one of the best I ever saw
at He's the best I ever saw it.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I saw at it. With the way he went about
his business.

Speaker 9 (22:11):
I could never tell what kind of game he was
happening by watching him, sure, I mean by watching this problem.
And most of the time you could look up and
guess what he was playing good football, So it was rare,
you know, But in a game where maybe he had
a series or two way through pick his routine and
preparation and leadership never changed. He wasn't and I confess
he did it. He wasn't a well if you guys

(22:32):
do this, we'll do this. It was always lets the
wei wi thing and I'll get my stuff done right.
And I could never tell. I could never tell if
he threw five touchdowns or five interceptions during the moment
of the game, if I just watched his reaction how
he handled players. To me, that's leadership because it made me, oh, hell,
we got this. And sometimes you almost have to fool

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if you can't dazzle him with brilliance, you got to
baffle your teammates with bs making everything's going to be okay,
even when you damn well know it may not be right.
And I thought he was good at it. So you're
exactly right. Listen, production begat good clubhouse feelings. It just
does anybody who's struggling at their job or struggling or tired.
It's a different feeling good good.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
You know what.

Speaker 9 (23:14):
You can be exhausted, go four for four and guess what,
you'll be rested real quick, you know what I'm saying.
So all those things start to come together. They got
to find who and what that is. But great leadership
is to find your way through the bad times the
good times. Everybody can thrive in always. And these aren't
bad times. They're struggling a little bit. Bad times they're
losing fourteen or fifteen in a row. Bad times are

(23:34):
in June when the ballpark's got three thousand people at it.
That's some bad times. This team didn't going to face
at anytime soon, hopefully.

Speaker 8 (23:42):
Not, because we've lived those times and they're not fun.
You don't want those times whatsoever. But when it comes
to the Astros hitters, what are the numbers necessarily telling
you about how good that group is or maybe even
not so good. We'll talk about it right here. It
is a Sean Salisbury show, Sports Talk seven to ninety.

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Speaker 1 (25:54):
And with that, the Sean Salisbury Show continues.

Speaker 9 (26:00):
But you know what, there's actually frivolous people out there
that think that that's okay to waste our time like this.

Speaker 8 (26:06):
Now you know what it is, and we'll get into
this a little bit later on as we'll get back
into the astros.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Stupidity is enabled now, Like, yeah.

Speaker 9 (26:14):
Stupidity is the norm, and you encourage it more than
you do people that are not stupid.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
He doesn't know any better.

Speaker 8 (26:19):
You know what my response was when somebody told me
something like that for somebody that should know better, exactly that,
I said, they're thirty four years old, they should know better.

Speaker 9 (26:28):
I'm trying to figure out he's a football fan. Watch
so the NFL, and there's somebody dumb enough out there
to take this case that this guy's going to sue
the NFL for ae hundred million dollars because he was
distraught over a guy who's a good football player but
wasn't worthy of a first round pick at least going

(26:48):
in right for thirty two teams. Apparently, I'm I'm just
going by the results or a second round pick or
a third or ID pick, whatever reason it is. You
can do decide that on your own. If you're distressed
over that, My man, can you imagine living with somebody
like that who came home and said, you know, I'm
suing McDonald's why I ordered eight Big Max and a
diet coke and I'm fat. Now it's McDonald's fault because

(27:10):
I couldn't push it away from the table.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I just to me.

Speaker 9 (27:15):
Stories like this, like we've said before, order hot coffee
and it spills in your lap and burns your niz zuts,
and then you sue the company for serving you hot coffee.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Right, Okay, what now?

Speaker 9 (27:29):
If I said give me the ice coffee and you
served me piping hot coffee, told me it was iced,
and spilled it on my lap on purpose just to
burn my balls, then I may have a lawsuit. Okay,
But other than that, stop it and the encouragement of
it and this and that and turn it into listen,
the guy didn't get drafted, then we all got a bitch.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
You want to talk about stress on draft aid?

Speaker 9 (27:49):
The stress that I went through trying to get myself drafted,
or are a million others then on Draft Day's day
were like, damn, I thought I'd go in the fifth round.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I did and get drafted. Now I'm a free agent.

Speaker 9 (27:59):
Okay, queen yours, I thought, I'll bet you a year
ago Quinn years thought he was the first round pick. Well,
round seventh. So should we all now step back and start?

Speaker 10 (28:08):
Man.

Speaker 9 (28:08):
I'll say I was distressed because I coached him at
a football camp when he was in the eighth grade
and better than all the high school guys, and I've
been talking to his parents.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I thought, this kid and I did.

Speaker 9 (28:18):
After about five throws, honestly got trut down in Dallas
at a camp he was. They sent him up to
my group because I had the high school upper class group,
and they said, John, we think we're going to send
him to you because he's too good for the eighth grader.
They said, bring him on. After about five throws, you
just sent back tore his hands in his pocket. He's
tall and athletic, and he's about a year away from
you know, a flat foot dunkin under the basket.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (28:42):
And so I said after about five after the first practice,
but after about eight throws a warming.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Up, I said, they have the ball sounds a little
different coming off his hand. Should shuh.

Speaker 9 (28:50):
I'm stressed now, Dan, I'm gonna sue one hundred million
dollars because I cannot believe our local Longhorn didn't get
drafted before the seventh round. It was it was mind
boggling to me. So you see what I'm see where
I'm going. These idiots and we and we laugh and encourage,
but you're right, we encourage mediocrity, stupidity, frivolous crap. Everybody
fall into the sheep culture. No, there's nothing about you

(29:12):
know what, Go see a psychologist. If you're that stupid
to love sports that much. If you love Shedur Sanders
and love Colorado football or love football that much, Listen,
I love sports, and I love it. It's been our livelihood.
But I sure as hell don't love it enough to
be that distressed over a non family member not getting drafted.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
He'll be okay or go obsessed about the met gallus.
He dressed in a shack.

Speaker 9 (29:35):
Part right right, like I care, right like I said that, Sean,
We're all in this together.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Okay, Yeah, no we're not. We actually aren't in it
all together.

Speaker 9 (29:43):
A matter of fact, we'reas about as divided as you
can be, and I'm okay with it. You stay on
your side, I'll stay on mind. Don't bring your stupidity
near me. Frivolous lawsuits like this and then for people
to encourage Yeah you know what, man, I was uptight too.
Just gives all these other whack jobs an opportunity to say, no,
we're not in this love together and know we're not
on all the same page. Guys like that, if you

(30:04):
love sports that much or should it is a player
that much as you're so hero or its bs, which
we know it is. If you're like Robert de Niro
in that movie Yeah, yeah, do you care?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (30:17):
With Snipes is the baseball player? Yeah, well I got
If you're right, If you're that big a fan, may
I suggest you take two weeks off, quit and find
a hobby because listen, I wasn't even that stressed when.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
My own team lost.

Speaker 9 (30:35):
I got it, none of if we were, dude, we
just quit because sports. If a golfer who missed a
ow can't pull up. So the PGA Tour Scottie Scheffler
didn't shoot thirty two under.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Right.

Speaker 9 (30:48):
I can't believe you guys. Where's my by guy Mark
Duce Bobbik the rules guy by the way, teammate in
the mind of Minnesota, which he loved, golf dude, fanatic
about it. Now he's the rules guy that jims hey
dudes that we called him.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
He's great.

Speaker 9 (31:01):
So as I digressed that, yeah, classic. But I just
sit here. I think see stories like this, Chap my asster.
This is why, this is how we're living. And no,
we are absolutely not in this love together. Okay, we're
not all in on this. No, he's an idiot.

Speaker 8 (31:16):
I've mentioned the movie Idiocracy. You might judge numerous times.
If you have not seen it, watch it, and some
of you, when you do watch it, you're gonna think,
oh my god, this is a documentary.

Speaker 9 (31:26):
Oh yeah, I'm sure of it, and I have not
seen it, so I need to. Yeah, But it's stuff
like this. It's like if you're that distressed and you
got to find a different hobby and go lay on
a couch and tell somebody just how screwed up you.

Speaker 8 (31:37):
Are, and you've talked about it before putting your name
on it. Like when we're talking about funny enough Shdor Sanders,
the anonymous NFL assistant, you're allowing them to be known
as John Doe. No, stupidity needs to have a spotlight
on it, a massive spotlight on it. You want to
waste the court's time, say you're going to waste our

(31:57):
courts time. At least you're going to win this as
much as we're going to wear this.

Speaker 9 (32:02):
And you know what, I don't weigh not everybody, Not
everybody deserves due process. Stupidity does it. Sorry to tell you, buddy,
stupidity does not deserve it. But Sean, they can't hailp it.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Oh, I know.

Speaker 9 (32:15):
It's like the guy we'll see on the street. Here's
another one of my favorites. You'll see a guy on
the street walk up obliterate five people kicking somebody, or
take a gun out and shoots them with it. And
we got to we've got their due process. We don't
know why I shot him in the head from behind.
Or five people kicked a female lay in the street,
or a guy, five of them they got to fight.

(32:36):
Four of the guys kicked in and start killing and
start slamming bricks on his head.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
But what about those people that do that? You get
the street justice? Oh yeah, somebody comes up.

Speaker 9 (32:43):
Yeah, I hate tell them, but Charles Bronson ain't around
right now, Charles Bronson, or the Bruce Willis when he
filled in for Bronson, or the next part of it.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Oh yeah, awesome, Denzel, where are you when we need you? Right?
So you do?

Speaker 9 (32:57):
I've always well, they deserve well we all see it
on video, and it's true that the guy actually pulled up.
I don't know if you saw like the riding on
the front of the little suv that ran the motorcycle
off the road yesterday and then drove off. I'm talking
about a road rage. But when you see like somebody
do what we're talking about on the street and we're all, yeah,
they're gonna go to court, I understand it's the system

(33:18):
and being a little hyperbolic, But wait a minute. I
just saw five guys beat the dog crap out of
a guy and throw a brick on his head and
he was walking down the street with his girlfriend. Oh yeah,
they deserved press somebody some of me. He wants to
go back to the archaic days. No, they deserve to
be stoned. Okay, and I don't mean with the weed,
I mean stone with bricks, because they're idiots.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
You.

Speaker 9 (33:38):
I just it's the same here, these frivolous lawsuits that
if it even makes it past processing, the person should
look at it the clerk and stay one night and
putting this in front of a judge, you're an idiot. Okay,
go see a psychologist and pay one hundred bucks an
hour and leave the NFL alone on this. He didn't
get drafted, oh well, until the fifth round, he'll be okay.

(33:58):
And now just roote that he goes out there, he
does get his brains beat, and he goes plays good
football like we expect him to. There's some there's there's
something for everybody, buddy. And when I saw this story,
I said, it's no shock. It is no shock because
we see him every day. We just when it comes to.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Sports, they're heightened, right, It's like, ooh sports, this guy's
a nut job.

Speaker 9 (34:15):
He's distressed, and you know what, he thinks they're gonna settle,
and he thinks he's gonna get some money.

Speaker 8 (34:19):
He thinks that if nothing else, it's gonna make a
million to the league and they're gonna be like here
throw them a hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 9 (34:25):
Yeah, and tell him to do right, and then all
of a sudden someone goes viral. Now he's a popular
guy on video, right, one of those type of things,
and and two hundred and fifty thousand dollars Richard, just
for broaching the subject, right, idiots, and we allow it
to happen.

Speaker 8 (34:36):
Yeah, well, I'm sure probably not only that, but then eventually,
once his identity comes out, he's gonna be a hero.
He's gonna be so brave and challenge the way to
challenge the man, right, Yeah, exactly and exactly. Although the
funny thing is is those same people who usually do that, Sean,
they're the same people who stick up for the man
whenever things go a certain way, of course, and we
just saw that in recent events. And then it's like,

(34:57):
you know, oh, I'm standing up for what's right. You're
standing up for what makes you feel better about yourself.
That's what you're doing. It's so self serving, right, and
there's nothing right about this now. And like I said,
if you're a judge, like yeah, I don't care what
side of the eye you so do you look.

Speaker 9 (35:09):
To say this guy's an idiot? Okay, no, sorry, what
are you doing in my courtroom?

Speaker 11 (35:14):
Now?

Speaker 8 (35:14):
Okay, that's one of those where you take the file
and it's not even a you know, you throw it out.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
You throw it at them.

Speaker 9 (35:19):
Yeah, and say listen and make them pick it up
and walk out. Yeah, that's exactly Yeah, pick it all up,
you clean it up, the bailiff. Nobody else does it's you.
You do it.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
There you go, you learn your lesson. It'd be nice
if there was that type of accountability. All right.

Speaker 8 (35:33):
Anyway, let's get back into the Astros seven one three
two one two five seven ninety. Again it's seven one
three two one two five seven ninety the numbers with
the Astros hitters. How bad are they? Well, we'll discuss
right here. Sewn Salisbury show.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Let the celebration start war Sewn Salisbury.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
It's a Shawn Salisbury show.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
That there's a legitimate chance that car I mean, that
Pickens is getting traded from Pittsburgh to the Dallas Cowboys.
Rapaport and bleacher Report it's starting to heat up that
there's there's a deal in place. A bunch of people
are discussing it right now, and it'll be centered around

(36:15):
a third rounder and a late round pickswap. The Steelers
are trading wide receiver George Pickens to the Cowboys and
the deal that should be official soon. That's in the
last within the last hour. That's a big move for
the Cowboys. Now you had Pickens and you had my
guy from Seattle, the widerft. Yeah, DJ Metcalf, DK Metcalf,

(36:38):
excuse me, DK Metcalf. And that's a form of that's
a that's a hell of a group there. I wonder
why the Pittsburgh Steelers, I mean, maybe it's that they
don't want to Pickens is a Pickens is a is
a lightning rod, but a talented player. They must have
had have had enough of it. But this is a
great upgrade for the Cowboys to wide receive position. They
need playmakers desperately and they haven't still done a lot

(37:01):
this offseason.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
This is a if.

Speaker 9 (37:03):
This comes down, this is a This is a playmaking
football playing Jesse Pickens can play, and with Ceedee Lamb
that makes them about as formidable as you would have
had with DK Metcalf and Pickens have been a better
throwing team here in Dallas, obviously in Pittsburgh, and they
still wondering who their quarterback is about Pittsburgh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cowboys. Yeah,
there's no doubt there they do. Who their quarterback. It's

(37:23):
not no, it's not it's not Joe Milton. You mean no,
no Milton, it's dak Press a lot of hamster off
but the Cowboys. Just so before we go, we get
to Ronnie right now. But I just want to let
you know that there's that it's it's pending or close,
and it's a good deal for both. I mean, we'll

(37:44):
see for Pittsburgh. But you know, when they get to
a point where they either don't want to pay or
they feel like they've had enough of what's going on,
they move you. That's who they are. But Pickens talent wise,
elevates the Dallas Cowboys room.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
It does put on you too.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
Uh, Ronnie, you know what. As a matter of fact,
Tripoli telling us, so we need to hit right at
seven o'clock. We're doing this time. I don't want to
cut him there, got to get that news in. But
there you go, buddy, So we'll do that. Also continue
the Astros conversation seven o'clock hour here on the Shawn
Salisbury Show.

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And the Rocket Sports Talk seven ninety your home for
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Speaker 1 (38:40):
Okay, let's do this.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Sean Salisbury to usc true longtime friend Shawn Salisbury.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
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Speaker 8 (38:57):
GM or fell Stone saying continuity quote very very likely
for them this offseason, and the Pacers and Warriors both
winning last nights on the NBA playoff floor seven one
three two one two five seven ninety. Ronnie, appreciate your patience, buddy,
Good morning, how you doing morning?

Speaker 14 (39:15):
Thanks lot guys. Two questions. One, I didn't ever hear
who the Astros brought up to replace Jordan on the roster.

Speaker 8 (39:26):
Cesarselves are catcher. You have three catchers on the roster
right now.

Speaker 14 (39:30):
Yeah, he's been he's been here before. He he's you know,
got some possibilities.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
And and and a theory.

Speaker 14 (39:37):
And I Sean, you probably would be good at figuring
this out or or guessing on this. I hear the
word inflammation in his hands regarding uh Jordan. He seems
to have soft tissue problems. I don't know what would
cause an inflammation in the hands or wrist or whatever

(39:58):
when you're not being hit by a pitch, or when
you're not diving for the ball and landing on your
wrist or arm or.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Elbow or whatever.

Speaker 14 (40:07):
And so I'm just wondering some guys, some athletes, are
better able to handle soft tissue stress than others. And
I'm wondering if this is going to be a chronic
problem that he's always going to have, and I don't
know what they can do about it.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
It's the hell of a point, Ronnie.

Speaker 9 (40:24):
Thanks for the call, but I yeah, I'm with you,
I and I I know I don't have a full
answer for it, and neither do doctors.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
People.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
Some I've played with players that soft tissue followed them around,
and they were talented, they worked hard. It's just some
are more And I'm assuming this is soft tissue, not
do we know for a fact it's not structural.

Speaker 8 (40:47):
I mean, they said inflammation and it apparently went in
for test. But that's funny you mentioned that because supposedly
he had the test yesterday afternoon, and then a spot
was asked about a postgame and he was like, I'm
not gonna have an update right now.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
We'll talk about that to right.

Speaker 9 (41:00):
So that and Ronnie, you make if it's soft tissue
To answer that part of the question I have, I
never had For me, I shredded my knee twice, blew
out my shoulder.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Mine were structural. I wasn't.

Speaker 9 (41:11):
I never, I rarely ever had a soft tissue issue.
Your arm would get sore and tired, but soft tissue.
But I have played with guys that they dealt with
it and were in the training room every day the
entire season, even when they weren't trying to prevent that
soft tissue hammy calf, whatever it is. You know that
that the pulled muscle into rib cage or in the

(41:33):
oblique whatever it is. Yeah, and some people, and Ronnie
I asked this question yesterday. My concern is when something
like this happens to and it's if it is soft tissue,
does it linger off and on like a hanm he
does for a receiver so often I don't know the
answer because I don't know his threshold of pain either.
I'm assuming you know there's a big, strong given that

(41:54):
doesn't matter. It's plenty of smaller people that have a
great threshold of pain. I don't know, And that may
be one of those where I've seen guys too, just
you just, yeah, need surgery on your thumb, Well, I
just got to play through it, you know, or because
of the you know, or you tore a ligament in
your thumb, you know, whatever it is, is it structure
or is it soft tissue? And some people suppss pain

(42:15):
threshold is different. And that's the one thing that you
those doctors don't measure. Well, you're hurting, you're hammy, Yeah,
I'm hurting, But I can get through this. And does
it linger the whole time? And when when?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Do you know?

Speaker 9 (42:27):
When it's soft tissue, it's okay to go back. So
but if it's structural, then obviously, if it's one of
those lingering things, you go in and you scrape it
out or whatever you got to do, you repair it
and then it's a six or eight week thing, right,
So we've seen that too. But Ronnie, some guys, and
I'm not just saying you're dot, I don't know, and
maybe he will, but some have a propensity to just
carry around soft tissue injuries. It linger and they just

(42:48):
have to deal with it throughout their career and hope
it doesn't keep them on the shelf for a long
period of time.

Speaker 8 (42:52):
Well, it's also I mean there's a trained response for
not only fans, but for also us. The astros have
a history of underselling injuries and then all of a
sudden telling us it's a lot worse than it really is.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Well, I'm hoping that's not the case.

Speaker 8 (43:04):
Here, But I mean there's a reason why when stuff
like this happens, we get concerned because it's oh, it
was a little bit of discomfort. You know, they're day
to day and then all of a sudden they're out
three months with what we found out was a shin fracture.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, we're still talking about it because it fits. It
was a shin, Bruce, right, that's intusion.

Speaker 9 (43:21):
Right, But then when you look deep into it, and
let's not say but I can remember after about a week,
I said, listen, man, we're talking on the show, and
I know you listen and you talked about it on
your shows too, Dan, yea, yeah, when Brian and I
would talk about it regularly about listen every week.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
This is not a contusion.

Speaker 9 (43:38):
I've never I haven't been around a football player in
my life that had a shin bruise or a thigh bruise,
and a month later they had a shin bruise and
a thigh bruise. Right, no, now, it may be a
Charlie horse. It's d you got to deal with it.
But they missed in the next week with a thigh bruise.
If it's a biga, they're putting an extra padding there,

(43:58):
taping it up and going play it. I'm not saying
there tougher, but that's right, and take whatever drug it
is to get you ready because the thigh research so
and I'm sure Kyle Tucker's got some toughness in him.
But once it goes along, shin bruises don't keep you
out seventy games. Fractures do. A broken bone may, and
so it's went on. They weren't and when they finally

(44:18):
did say it, they really weren't telling us anything.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
We didn't know.

Speaker 9 (44:21):
We could figure out. Was it brope a contusion? Contusions
go away, a little lie stuff. It may take a
week if it's a deep one. But as a baseball
player where nobody's attacking you with a helmet, you can
play a lot quicker. So the fracture and putting his foot,
you know, his foot down and do it all that.
But yes, undersell it. And I told you this, Dan,
if he doesn't go on ir or the I l

(44:43):
that I was a little more encouraged. But even though
it's ten days, they're telling you that they have to
force this rest and I too, and we still don't know.
Hopefully it is just not structure. That it is soft tissue.
But it's not a lingering thing to answer Ronnie's question.
But some guys just have a propensity to deal with
it and what is your pain threshold? That's something that

(45:05):
they have to decide. I can't fit. I can't fix
that for them.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
I know.

Speaker 8 (45:08):
I was laughing about the whole tour doll things. It's
really not that funny, just because you know, it's like
what you know all what you know now. But like
I remember hearing stories of you know, guys in the
NFL locker rooms. Oh men, you guys are taking those shots,
he goes, dude, not only are we taking the shots,
were lined up like almost like it's a flu shot.
There's like twenty of us right there in line for
next line it up for those either. But I am

(45:28):
lining up for the tour doll to get myself on
the field.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (45:31):
Yeah, there when people say, well, would you take a shot,
Hell yeah, I'll take a shot. I'll deal with of
course I would. That's exactly what these guys think. Me too,
And I'll see you for a time, no doubt about it.

Speaker 8 (45:43):
That's like somebody told the story of I think the
Oilers had an early season game in Cincinnati, were you know,
still hot that time of the year. You got the turf,
all of that natio, all of the pain killers like
melted together that they finally wanted to either the trainer
or somebody. I think I'm getting most of the facts
of this story right. That they went to basically use

(46:03):
a hammer at a chisel to start handing it out,
and it's just like that can't be seen.

Speaker 9 (46:08):
Yeah, cut it cutting and you're not sure, Well, I
got ten milligrams of this and twenty milligrams of the other.
Then one guy got forty milligrams and one and eight milligrams,
and the other of two milligrams of the other.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, that's probably.

Speaker 9 (46:19):
But remember and even then older school and I can
remember you come in, you just signed it, wasn't you
didn't have to have a big old doctor's point.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Then I'm struggling with this and.

Speaker 9 (46:31):
They take those little white pouches, little pouches now they're
all see through, but pouches have like lines on and
they write your name on it. You just had to
sign it and say, you know, get sc I mean,
everybody's doing it. It's just like it's not like they
were giving you cocaine or anything, but they were. If
it was a pill that they had in the building
and you needed it, you could get it because I

(46:53):
know at every level, because we at that point in
time was you know, the truth of everybody was if
I I'm not I'm not going to make an impact
sitting in that jacuzzi, you know, got a play so
and del Rio tells a great story about it, and
he sent me a picture. He was in Denver and

(47:13):
Manning was there and I got the picture. I'll have
to find it, dude, to tell you how psycho this
dude is. He was hurt and not practicing that day.
Was in the whirlpool, in the hot pool cold plane
of the back and forth. He's sitting in the whirlpool
with a transmitter on, with his helmet on, you know,
long neck in there with his short Yeah, and Jack
sent me to pose.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I said to you, you're a kidding, right, He goes, no,
this is this is true.

Speaker 9 (47:34):
That they were running the plays on the field and
to show you and quarterbacks, any player you want to
talk about preparation was it. You never had to worry
if he was ready to play. Mentally, he was in
the in the building, in the training room, in the jacuzzie,
helmet on shorts, sit at a warpool, listening to the
play called looking at the script of the practice script
while they're out on the field. Most guys I've never seen.

(47:56):
Most guys may look at the script, but they're sitting
in the training room or eventually go out to practice
and they've got if it's cold, to get their hooded
sweats or other the script and you know, slowly pedaling
the bike on the side or working with the training
staff on the side. That sucks during training camp when
you're hurting camp practice, because what that is that's harder
than practicing because that trainers on the side running you
the whole.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
So it's miserable.

Speaker 9 (48:18):
But obviously Peyton Manning, but I thought interesting because he
even he didn't want to be there, with his pain threshold.
So there's some things that go on in the league
get back on the field. And you know, I'm not
encouraging doing drugs, But if you're asking me in my career,
would I have been the guy who wasn't taking a
shot not to play?

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 9 (48:35):
I was taking the if I needed a shot to play,
That's what I was doing.

Speaker 8 (48:38):
And so I you know what you just told me
right there kind of reminded me of the story that
Dean Orlovski once sold on Busting with the boys when
he was in Indianapolis. Is he's watching film in the
room and then this is the year obviously that Peyton
had the next thing he couldn't play, and.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
He comes in.

Speaker 8 (48:53):
You can go to problem always say you know, hey, hey,
can I watch a little bit of film? And Orlovsky is,
you know, still sitting in there. He's like he's like yeah,
And finally Manning sits down and he slowly turns around
and goes.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Alone like he didn't want anybody in there. Yeah, He's just.

Speaker 8 (49:08):
Like he's like, well, if this guy is gonna have
a statue here one day tells me to get out.

Speaker 9 (49:13):
Of the film room, to get out the film. It
wasn't wasn't Peyton asking, Yeah, it was him. I'm trying
not to God bless, excuse me, thank you very much,
and also real quick the story and then I think
I told it once on here years ago. Manning comes,
he's in Denver and I'll leave the quarterback out that's
throwing routes.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
They're throwing routes on air, drop back in the throwing
curl routes.

Speaker 9 (49:35):
True story now, and it seems like every Manning starts like,
come on, is that hyperbok? Now, there's some epic stories
because when you go to training camp, practice it and
then until he thought it was until it was over, when.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Don't you sound that horn?

Speaker 9 (49:48):
Yeah, it's true. We'd run it again well. And Tom Moore,
who was our coordinator in Minnesota, was his who's coach
Brady and coach all these great players, right and Tom,
when Peyton decided the drill was over, it was over,
not in a arrogant way, in a we got to
get this right way right, So we are we are there,
they're going routes on air and off and throwing routes,

(50:10):
and Manning's in Denver's first year and quarterback those twelve
yard curl. Just routes on air, run twelve yard curl.
He says, what's the coverage? He says, there's no coverage
routes on air. The younger player, so again, what's the coverage.
There's no coverage routes on air? He asked him the
third time, and finally it clicked. Oh, Peyton Manning plays

(50:35):
every snap like he's playing against the coverage. Yes, and
it's a it's a great lesson because I've always told
my guys, and I'm grateful that he said about that.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
We're not playing seven on seven.

Speaker 9 (50:45):
This is eleven on When you're dropping back when we're
on the field, I understand when everybody's warming up. When
you hit the field and we're doing it, you have
to approach it. Why are you throwing it there? Why'd
you throw the flat right? If you're just doing empty reps,
it's not training your mind. Manning's thought was, if we're
throwing rep for an hour, I threw that curl because
the flat defender jumped my eyes. It was man coverage

(51:05):
and he took the flat route. I threw it off
his ear. Oh, it's zone, it's three deep zone. The
sam linebacker has curled a flat, so he went to curl.
I looked into the flat. He jumps the flat, I'm
throwing it in behind. He wanted to know why you
were throwing the curl route. Don't just have an empty
red and so all those things that go along with
doing it the right way. Epic story, and there's a

(51:27):
thousand more of them with that guy. I asked one
receiver that was on his team for a while and Indy,
I said, what was it like when you first got there?
He said, John, I said, with Peyton he goes. You
were afraid to death to disappoint him, meaning everything he
did because he stay after and do this and crying
in a good way. Loved him as a teammate, but
you didn't want to disappoint because if you weren't prepared,

(51:49):
it was a It's the guys like him are the
wrong guy to be around mentally, because that's the stuff
you can control.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I've said it numerous times.

Speaker 8 (51:55):
Is the reason why championship teams and the best player
is harp on practice.

Speaker 9 (51:59):
Well, the best I've played with, that's exactly what they did.
And they trained with the purpose, practice with the purpose,
and they were usually the guys who stayed around the law,
I mean around the practice facility. They loved their gym rats. Yeah,
excuse me. And in the process they didn't have to
tell you, they just had to show up. And if
Manning was out there and you're a receiver and you
missed it, it's good enough for him, it's good enough

(52:20):
for me. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right. So
I get back to it. You know the pain threshold
and what is it. Let's hope it's a soft tissue
that's not a lingering, and it's not a structural thing
that in ten days or eight days from now or
whatever it is from now, they're going to come back
and say we needed to play, we need to keep him,
and then we're going to send him assignment. Then my
concern kicks in because you wonder how long it is.

Speaker 8 (52:42):
No doubt we'll find out a little bit later on
this afternoon, hopefully with your and on. Hopefully it's not
bad news. Sorry speaking of potential bad news. Boy, we
just have to continue to try attempt fate, don't we. Well,
somebody's trying to do that out there. I hope it
doesn't hurt us. We'll talk about it here Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Buckle up, The Shawn Salisbury Show continues.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
It's going to be a hell.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
All right, Sean, What are you hearing out there now?
The Salisbury's takeout?

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Salsbury's takeout on the Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
It is the stakeout Astros Losers last night four to
three to the Brewers in Milwaukee. Rafel Stone saying continuity
very likely for this team. The soft season and a
trade in the NFL Cowboys picking up receiver George Pickens
from the Steelers in exchange for a couple of draft picks.
But Sean, I've talked about it numerous times of you

(53:45):
don't tempt fates. I mean, you know, you've you've been
the one on here who's willing to take risks. I mean,
you know we've talked about it before. Of I mean,
I forget exactly what it was that I was averse to.

Speaker 9 (53:54):
Ali Skydivell, Right, Yeah, I I don't know was it
talking about?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yeah? What was I asking you?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
That?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
You just storm chaser? I said I'd like to do that. Yeah,
you did say that, And I told you a buddy
of mine does.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
That, right, He's a media guy that does storm football
guy that doesn't shout out, Josh, I can't remember what
it was we were. We were questioning this, would you
do it?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Oh? Space? Yeah, that's what it was. It was space.
Would you go to space? And you said, I'll pass. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (54:20):
I mean I I just I think with some of
these no, I mean like maybe with uh, you know
Elon that maybe I would because I'm like, you've done
it a few times. But even they have had some
rockets that have exploded on them. So I just maybe
you would have to be there, you know. Again, like
we talked about what the one hundred men against one gorilla,
you know, venue matters and in this case, you know,

(54:40):
circumstance matters for that. But this comes from Cowboy State
Daily on Twitter. Yellowstone using a fifty three thousand pound
vibrator truck to create custom made earthquakes to study the
super volcano that the park sits on.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
The goal is to.

Speaker 8 (55:00):
Learn more about the massive magma chamber that makes Yellowstone
such a dynamic geological wonderland. A buddy of mine shared
this last night, and his response with the quote tweet,
we really are a suicidal species messing with volcanoes now,
I mean that's one of those where you know, you

(55:21):
just got the magma. It's flowing underneath there, it's doing
whatever it does, it's building onto the Earth's crust. I
guess if you will. We learned about that if you
took geology. But we've been told numerous times, if I'm
not mistaken, that that super volcano that's underneath Yellowstone could
be a real problem for us if we have that
thing going off.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
And I mean, that's just kind of where I'm going
with this. So why are we tempting fade here? Man? Like? What?
Let let good things just stay the way that they are.

Speaker 8 (55:50):
If the magma wants to bubble up under the surface,
let it bubble up under the surface.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Can't I don't need the Tommy Lee Jones movie. We
can't do it.

Speaker 9 (55:57):
We have to we have Yeah, I just it was
on the other day to yeah right down there, and
the in l A was odd.

Speaker 8 (56:03):
The guy jumps jumps off the train. Yeah don cheetle,
Yeah that's right. Yeah he was like not an air
traffic controller, but what you know, whatever, he was somewhere.
But the guy that jumps off the train and he's.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Like, ah, yeah, yeah, that was a trip wasn't it. Yeah,
it was.

Speaker 9 (56:19):
It was a trip tarpits right there. You know it
started just vam. Yeah, it's overflowing. Yeah the uh yeah,
I'm with you. Sometimes just leave well enough alone. You
poked the very too many times. It put its it
bites back, and that's not a bite you want. Let's
just put it that way. That makes sense.

Speaker 8 (56:37):
No, it's one hundred percent not a fight you want,
because I mean, you know you're just there. I mean
good things that you know, the Duntons sold that ranch.
I mean, sorry to spoil it for some of you
out there, but you know, good good thing they sold
that ranch and moved off, you know, because I mean
that land wouldn't be any good anymore. So then Teeter
and everybody would you know, they they they'd be you know,
the beneficiaries of of the potential bad news here.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I mean, that's that's we've seen this movie before. We've
seen it numerous times. Did you see did you just
play the Teeter card? Yeah? I like it. Yeah, And
here's twenty dollars.

Speaker 8 (57:08):
Why because I don't speak kill Billy and I'm not
trying to learn.

Speaker 9 (57:13):
Why did I think they step into an unbelievable gold
mine with that shit.

Speaker 8 (57:17):
That's ask Jimmy what it's like to work for me,
what's it like to work for him? He's pretty fair,
I guess. I mean, he doesn't really chew you out
unless he has a reason. But he's he's really good
at finding a reason.

Speaker 9 (57:28):
Yeah, well, Jimmy found reasons to get chewed out regularly.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
He kind of brought it on himself people right, like,
like you're just like, you know, I love him, but
they screw up a right. I just want to yell
at this guy. Yeah, exactly. And he knew it was
coming every single time he woke up. So hey, there's
a shroud. Yeah, shut up, Dan, you should know by now.

Speaker 9 (57:47):
We don't leave well enough alone in this country and
just let good things be good things. We try to
change and fix everything. We're doing it in sports every day.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Oh, let's do this, let's add.

Speaker 9 (57:57):
This, let's do this, Let's put this gimmick so they
they parallel each other.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
So does it shock you? Absolutely not.

Speaker 9 (58:05):
There's always somebody who wants to push the envelope, and
I don't mind that. But once it's something's just they
can sit and leave well enough along.

Speaker 8 (58:14):
In fairness, though, I mean like if you saw the
movie Oppenheimer, I mean obviously if you say the Manhattan Project,
Oh yeah, I mean, wasn't concern that they had of, hey,
what happens when we detonate this thing?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
And they're kind of are like, I don't know. No,
you don't find out until after the second golf us all.
They're like, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 9 (58:32):
We're taking the chance talking about going in blind on
something pretty serious.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
There you go, and then.

Speaker 8 (58:37):
They're all just sitting out there. The guy's got the
zinc oxide. Oh yeah, just sitting there. Hey, put your
goggles on. Oh, turn away from the flash.

Speaker 9 (58:44):
Yeah. Well I was gonna say, if you turn away
with the flash, alls, you're not seeing. You're still gonna
see the flash with that big and your dead anyway.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
So man, all of a sudden I watch it.

Speaker 9 (58:54):
Yeah yeah, oh no, it'll hit you quicker than that. Dude,
all of a sudden, my body is melted. So yeah, yeah,
they uh yeah, that'll help turn away. And the old
nineteen seventies eighties, how you prevent the tan was the
zinc oxide. Yeah, by putting the white all over your face.
And then they got the surfers and the beach volleyball

(59:14):
players started putting the different colors on their face. Yeah,
like the blue and the panah, it was a whatever
happened to zinc oxide?

Speaker 8 (59:20):
It kind of went away because I think people kind
of realized pretty quickly of like it's just on my nose,
Like what the hell is that doing? Yeah didn't and
you just got this green stuff on your nose. Like
it was like it was like people like we would
do it. It was like thought looked cool for a while
tot then all of a sudden you realize it doesn't
look that cool, and hopefully it's not the sun's not

(59:41):
being attracted to the shine on your face as opposed
to being reflected, right, and we I don't see zinc
oxide anymore. But whoever whoever did it was printing money
for a minute, kind of like EyeBlack, you know, I mean,
like guys will put EyeBlack on and you're just kind
of like that really doesn't do anything, just where sung.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
But yeah, but on the.

Speaker 9 (01:00:00):
Field you look cool though. Oh yeah I had Do
you have to go EyeBlack? Yeah, yeah, you have to
go so it comes dead. Yeah, there's there's no doubt.
Eye black sometimes you put EyeBlack on was kind of sunny.
He's like, yeah, man, you never know. But I still,
to this day, I'm trying to wonder did it ever work?
But I was staring into the sun. Did the eye
now look cool as hell? I mean it was sweet,
you know, all tough guy, you know, through sweating and

(01:00:21):
it's dripping and you've got some blood on you, and
then the eyeblack's coming down and you just look, you know,
you go over the sidelines, you look cool, your hair,
take the helmet off.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
But I still don't know did it really prevent the sun?

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Did?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I mean, did the reflection help?

Speaker 10 (01:00:35):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Wherever it came up with, we all bought into it,
and I still do.

Speaker 10 (01:00:39):
Well.

Speaker 8 (01:00:40):
It was like those bracelets that golfers were wearing for years,
with the copper bracelet.

Speaker 9 (01:00:43):
Yeah, there was gonna help you back, and the magnetum
mag was gonna go through your bloodstream. Yeah, and you're
gonna feel healthier than everyone hit it twenty five yards exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Who didn't try that? I raised my hand, Yeah, yeah, hey,
I'm gonna I'm gonna get more rotation here.

Speaker 9 (01:00:55):
And the golf shops and and you'd buy them and
I have like eight of them, right, and even when
you put eight on it once it did, my back
was still you know, it didn't help. We We had
those in baseball too, when I played the Tommy Copper.
Now that they Chris Maloney the actor, Yeah, say yeah,
you got Stabler, he's out there pitching it for you.

(01:01:15):
For a time, it was Brett favre Ye. Oh you know,
I'll still got it man. The Tommy Copper, that's it.
You know, you put a pair of Sketchers and a
Tommy Copper as an older dude.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
That's that's it.

Speaker 8 (01:01:26):
There's there's kind of like a you know, just different
phases of athlete pitching now, like you know, you got
Howie Long doing the Sketchers slip in commercials, because how
do you mean, look, we know he's he's got grown kids,
and he's got grand grand kids and all of that,
but how he probably still looks at you though, and says, oh,
you know what, I'm still that guy.

Speaker 9 (01:01:46):
Of course, he is the only guy in the history
that haven't never had to change his haircut, still looks
good doing it. I mean, never never changed his haircut,
and you know what, I don't how can you hate him.

Speaker 8 (01:01:57):
He just he just he just sits in the chair
and whoever cuts his hair doesn't even ask him anymore
than usual.

Speaker 9 (01:02:03):
Yeah, it's just it's unspoken. They just know it's a given.
Give me the howie, that's it.

Speaker 10 (01:02:08):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I just need the howie and know good to go.

Speaker 8 (01:02:11):
You know, yeah a few if you run through right
there with the you know, one and a half and
one and you're just like, all right, hey, HOWE see
in a couple of weeks, I guess.

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
Yeah, we'll see when you know, during the season, we'll
see it probably once every two weeks to keep it tight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
For the NFL three, it was the Triton necklaces.

Speaker 8 (01:02:26):
Those were the ones that we wore playing baseball, a
big thick right.

Speaker 7 (01:02:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
They were kind of like, you know, yeah, yeah, like
white and red and twined like it was supposed to
be some good vibes or something. Exactly what happened to those,
I mean, I think pretty quickly it was just like
it's just a necklace struggle with the.

Speaker 9 (01:02:41):
Product that tells you to play better, even though you
don't just make a couple of days.

Speaker 8 (01:02:44):
It's like those shoes where you had like the platforms
at the front, and it was supposed to help your calves,
and it's going.

Speaker 9 (01:02:50):
To improve your ford and you're also going to dunk
better because you kidding yourself. We all tried those when
I was in high school too. I am no I
remember those. Yeah, we all we all look for the advantage, right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Why would I want to add to my thirty eight
inch vertical already? You know that?

Speaker 7 (01:03:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I didn't need too.

Speaker 9 (01:03:06):
The good Lord bless you seventy two extra inches in
they're vertical.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Ah, you know what I'm saying. God, don't you know
what I'm saying. I mean, some do.

Speaker 8 (01:03:14):
I was just you know, I'll see where you're going. Yes, vertically,
that's it. I knew I turned for the combat. I
knew you had a way to land the plane. I
just wanted to see how you were going to land
the plane right there smoothly you did, And see you did? Yeah,
all the wheels are down there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
You go.

Speaker 8 (01:03:28):
All right, we can get back into the ASTROS conversation.
Also going to jump into some of the stuff that
rafel Stone and Ema Doka talked about yesterday and their
end of year press conference. All of that's still to
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Sometimes if it's if it's sung by Robert gil keene,
yeah you know you, oh yeah, absolutely, what a guy
for sure. But the Astros conversation continues here if you
want to jump in seOne three, two, one, two five
seven ninety Sean did a little bit of a dive
last night. When I say a dive, all it is
is just looking it up really quick. Of Hey, for example,

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what are they hitting as a team with runners in
scoring position? They're sixteenth in all of baseball out of
thirty teams hitting two forty nine. So they're sitting right
in the middle, right, So it's not awful. In five
hundred baseball, it's not great, right, that's pretty much it.
The run differential is still good. I think what plus
eight right now? That has a lot to do with
good pitching keeping things down.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
There you go.

Speaker 8 (01:06:40):
And then team Ops they are six seventy six right now,
it's twenty third in all of baseball, So we get
what type.

Speaker 9 (01:06:47):
Of OPS will lead the league? Meaning as a team
some in the mid seven hundreds.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Is that fair?

Speaker 9 (01:06:54):
I mean as an overall team, if you're twenty something
in the six is when we don't have anybody as
a team that had an eight hundred oh ps, there's
no way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Right Oh no, the Yankees are eight sixteen as an overall.

Speaker 9 (01:07:04):
I've talked about when the season ends, the season somewhere
between seven and fifty, and that range is going to
be into seven hundreds will lead the league somewhere right
easily as the same fair enough, but in the middle,
And in this case they're below it. But the results
are pretty much the same, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, bottom third in OPS as a team right now.

Speaker 9 (01:07:25):
And they're a five hundred baseball team right now. And
if they hadn't got some good pitching early on, we're
looking at different.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
But you know the old lifts thing.

Speaker 9 (01:07:33):
They have got good pitching, and so it's been able
to step up and salvage them in times when they're
only scoring one or two or three runs. And Brian
mc taggart's overwhelming statistic of stay at three you're gonna
lose a lot, get to four, you're gonna win a lot.
That's a base running air. It's a not moving somebody over,
it's not a sacrifice fly. It's a solo homers compared

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to a two run job when guys are sitting on baiting.
And once again your your five hundred baseball club. So
they're the numbers are kind of bearing out who they
are right now, and the pitching numbers, I would imagine
would be far more impressive if you're comparing it to
the league statistically, I would imagine they're hanging around e
R A.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I would imagine they're hanging.

Speaker 9 (01:08:16):
Around innings as starters. I would imagine they're they're in
the conversation of the team picture more so than the bats.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Are right now. Yeah, e er, right now.

Speaker 8 (01:08:26):
The Astros are sixth in all of baseball three forty three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
There you go. Best pitching in baseball.

Speaker 8 (01:08:31):
Is the Mets, and then the Tigers they're pitching their
out of their mind, and then the Padres. Three teams
that you won series over three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Yeah, that got to come down to a focus thing, right.
You can't lose to the White Sox and teams like
that series and you got to beat got a birdie
the par fives, and the par fives are beating the
White Sox and they didn't. That's a that's that's equivalent
of a two stroke lead and a triple bogie. Yeah
you got on, that's that's right.

Speaker 9 (01:08:59):
Or you got on in three, or I got on
in two and four putted and you took a bogie
off a par five, which is basically given you the
letting the field lappy on that hole. So yeah, I
can't do it. And early, yes, talented, Yes, excellent pitching. Yes,
when does the onslide at the plate start?

Speaker 8 (01:09:21):
That's actually something I do want to talk about because
I thought about this last night's and my conclusion was
not good news.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Okay, we'll just say that.

Speaker 9 (01:09:30):
Let me ask you this feel better. I understand the
record will make you feel better. I'm just talking about
the overall visual of the team, the players, Like you
knew Bregman at some point was going to get hot. Right,
Just take the roster and take this year's roster, pitching, staff, health,
all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Forget the record. Who's better? Which team you like more? Well?

Speaker 9 (01:09:52):
I mean you said taking out records? Yeah, I don't
look at that. They started twelve and twenty four. I'm
just talk about it this time of the year, forget
the record month in what'd you feel about your feelings
about last year's team this year's team. Did you feel like,
even though they were under five hundred playing average baseball,
did you feel like, oh, more of a chance to
turn it around last year or this year? Last year

(01:10:15):
a chance last year is because the names, Yeah, ye,
because you had two of the better hitters in baseball
on your team. And now, I mean, you've got a
couple of guys, and we'll talk about this a little
bit more, but I mean, I just I don't see
a precipitous jump in certain guys. You need to see
that out of that's going to lead me to believe
that it's going to miraculously turn around. So I mean,

(01:10:36):
again we talked about it in the last segment tempting Fate. Well,
I mean, I just kind of feel like you're doing
it when you play the way that they have these
last few games. And I just hope that I'm wrong
on that, and we'll see. Only time will tell. So anyway,
speaking of that, you know, the potential bad news that
I have when it comes to these bats getting hot
as we've been told that eventually they will be well,

(01:10:57):
we'll discuss that here as we close out seven o'clock
hour schansal Very Show.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
The Jean Salisbury Show continues.

Speaker 9 (01:11:06):
Michael Parsons and now adding George Pickens. You better be awfully.
If you're Brian Schottenheimer, you better be awfully. You better
know how to babysit because you're gonna need some of
it there. Now, that doesn't mean those are bad guys,
but they are just energetic and a little loose lipped, right,

(01:11:28):
does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
I mean, if if nothing else, the emotions will be noticed.
They put it this better way to put it. They
wear it on their sleeve. There you go.

Speaker 9 (01:11:36):
All three of those cats do. But all three supremely
gifted and really good at their position. So the Cowboys
have upgraded now, and last offseason the biggest upgrade they
had was Zeke Elliot at least we thought you know then,
and that wasn't an upgrade at this stage of his career.
This is an upgrade because we're still waiting for the
what's next? What are they gonna do? Get help on
the offensive line boom they're trying to answer that question.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Through the draft.

Speaker 9 (01:11:58):
This offseason, they got a dynamic playmaker, which to me
Weekend Pittsburgh, even though I know the personality strong meaning Pickens,
it weakened the Pittsburgh Steelers team. So they must feel
good about either who they have that they can put
out there for whoever their quarterback is going to be
and to play alongside a DK Metcalf, But it is

(01:12:20):
Pickens is a dynamic count He's got Pro Bowl written
all over him. If he's got some contentment to him
and allows it to happen, this offense will move the
ball and they're gonna run it more because I can
tell you I know what Brian Schttenheimer likes to do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Dude.

Speaker 9 (01:12:32):
He wants to run it and mix in play action,
which may not be a bad thing. So Dak doesn't
have to throw thirty five to forty times. It'd be
nice to throw twenty eight to thirty two times and
get a run game. And now you have dynamic playmakers
on the edge.

Speaker 8 (01:12:44):
Well, I mean, and people laughed when Jerry said in
his pre draft press conference they've drafted pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
They actually have.

Speaker 8 (01:12:51):
I mean, that is one thing that they have done
pretty well of these last few years. And it's kind
of too why they've gone away from their previous model
of hey, who's the hot shot free agent out there. Well,
let's win the offseason, let's win the headlines, let's do that.
They're not doing that as much anymore. But it's also,
I mean, you're not as good as the Eagles are.
You're probably not as good as the Commanders are. And

(01:13:13):
I almost wonder the best team in the division ay,
and I almost wonder if they're closer to the Giants
than they are to those other teams.

Speaker 9 (01:13:20):
This weapon helps them offensively. They need to get more stuff,
they need to protect the passer. The one thing that
we know, the two things that I've always known about
the Cowboys when they're good, the offensive line is dominant,
and the running games a fact, is the factor. And
then the rest mixes in that. You know, when they
were running it, when they had Tony Romeo. Romeo was

(01:13:41):
a good passer, he really was. Tony would get you
into some trouble sometimes, but man, the ball came out quick,
great at the quick game, and was really magical at
bringing you from behind. But they had both and they
still didn't get to a super Bowl. They you know
obviously the Green Bay Packer playoff game and des Bryant
the whole thing, right, But when they haven't when Da
Da as good as he's been numbers wise in a year,

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not this past season. Season before he was a runner
up in the MVP. So they can put points up,
but it's been a while since they've been able to
run it, dominate you physically, efficiency at quarterback, with playmakers
and on defense, get stops, get sacks, get you off
the field to do it. It's been a minute since
all those have come together. Hence why the Cowboys can
always hovering around the playoffs but can't get through January

(01:14:24):
because they just have not had enough playmakers and they
haven't been physical enough with some of their offensive linemen
aging we've now moved on or retired and here they
are on a quite frankly, they talk about a rebuild.
They've they've had to redoce some things for them, so
especially the offensive line. But Dak Prescott's got to be
happy now he's going to get an earful. I mean,
those two dudes are gonna want the ball regularly, Lamb
and Pickens. He's gonna get it. So gear up, you're

(01:14:47):
the Dallas Cowboys quarterback. You know what's coming when you
bring pickings here, you just do. But I can tell
you this, they can really make it miserable on defensive
coordinators with their ability to throw the ball around a
lot because both those receivers are dynamic. I'm Pittsburgh's plan.
I'm curious to see it and the Rogers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Plan when it all comes together.

Speaker 9 (01:15:07):
If he's gonna be there, he's one, he's one less
receiver interested now, which which would and maybe he wanted it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:15:15):
Mike tom was still their coach, right, and they don't
They don't have losing seasons, that's gu say.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Then they'll they'll at least be nine to eight.

Speaker 9 (01:15:22):
We can probably bet on that, right, which will keep
them competitive. But the level that they want to get
to that that team has a ways to go offensive.
Remember too, their bell cow back in Najie Harris is
now running the football for who the Chargers, and they
also drafted a running backs. I mean, Gym's gonna do
it that way. Brian Shott, We've we've we've got some

(01:15:45):
old guard guys back in here to Brian Schottenheimer's gonna
want to run it hardball runs it they do, you're
gonna see you may even start to see a little
more fullback in this league. You know Hvac moved back
playing hand in the dirt behind the quarterback in the
old I formation and under center. You may start to
see some more of that with some of these teams too.
The forty nine ers will do that as well. You know,
we're we're gonna run the football. That's what we're gonna do.

(01:16:08):
That's my best Jim Harball. It wasn't very good. I
apologize to the audience for that. I just wasted your time.
Waste our time. That's okay. I mean it may not
be your best, Like it may not be your best Harball,
But that's how Jim would talk.

Speaker 8 (01:16:21):
Yes, And it's so funny too, just like the differences
in personality between he and John is Jim, you know,
you're talking with him and you're just kind of like,
are you there, dude, Like am I am I even
talking to you right now? Whereas John, you know, he'll
joke with you like I remember we were on a
conference call with him a few years ago and somebody
asked about a player and he was like, you know,
oh yeah, you know he's got that Georgia accident just

(01:16:42):
like you do. And the guy was like, no, I'm
from Ohio. It covered you and you're at Miami of Ohio.
Oh get out, you're man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
You're gonna be on this. You're gonna be at the
game on Sunday. No, kidd, come on over and say hello.

Speaker 9 (01:16:51):
That family is so competitive. John gives a speech. I
was they're doing something for under arm or a handful
of a bunch of years ago and John was the
the keynote speaker to the group, and it was great
because I'd known him in the past, but just hear
him talk about getting one percent better than the rest
of it. And then he tells his story. He started
telling a story about him and Jim and he was
telling me the story about then when they went on

(01:17:13):
vacation after the Super Bowl, that they were out in
the water their families and Jim just ran through and
tackled and got after it picked a fight and he's like,
what are you doing and turned into a fight, and
it's like he was still bitter that they lost, and
still he goes sean you know, all competitive, he goes
he carries that around to the dinner table. They love

(01:17:36):
each other, but it's like and then you have Tom
Crean at the dinner table because he's the father in
law married to the daughter and then the old man
I mean competitive family. But he's literally said, he goes, oh,
he's paying the ass man. He wants to fight all
the time. He's still bitter that I beat him or
that we got him. He still carries it around and
gets after it. So it's it's fun, but that's what
makes Jim who he is.

Speaker 8 (01:17:56):
It was like another friend of mine was a staffer
when Crean was at Indiana that when Jim would come
to games, he didn't just want to sit and watch
the games. So he was like he was like, hey,
you know, Tom, give me something to do. So they
were like, all right, fine, we go to timeouts, bring
out the coaches chairs and enough happily and with party
Kaki pants on there and there's Jim with the ball
boys out there bringing out the folding chairs for the glasses,

(01:18:18):
some kind of good the shirt that says Indiana on
and a baseball had and probably shooting jump shots at halftime,
probably or challenging an eight year old to a one on.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
One game.

Speaker 9 (01:18:29):
Half as entertainment. You know, I was part of that
team in Minnesota. If you remember, you were, well, hell,
you're too young. But you go back, remember when Ditka
went crazy on Harball on the sidelines. So we came
back from three touchdowns down to pick six for the
touch Oh it's famous. On the you go back, say,
did call Harball? In Minnesota? We had a pick six

(01:18:49):
from Todd Scott. We came back and beat him on
It was I think it was Monday night football and
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
A national game regardless.

Speaker 9 (01:18:55):
And I'm telling you that beside himself, but Harball played
like a defensive player who is a quarterback. You know,
he put the high to you said is he moving?
And then captain come back Indiapolis. But a hell of
a competitor and a good player. But Jim, you might
as well just put a fifty number on a quarterback
in a neck role, right, but competitive, But he still
liked that. Yeah, if you said, dude, you want to

(01:19:15):
play a game at halftime, there's a fraternity guy that
wants to come down and play you. Yeah, absolutely, and
box out and throw elbows. Yeah, but they're that that family.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Dude.

Speaker 9 (01:19:25):
By the time Sunday gets there, it's like I'm worn
out from all the other competition. Crap, I've been doing
good on them. He beats to a different drum. But
it's a it's a it's a fun watch. My cousin
played for Jack at h at Western.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:19:37):
I had a lot of DNA in that football family, right,
a lot of a lot of energy.

Speaker 8 (01:19:41):
So a couple of years ago I got to tell,
you know, the old man, Jack Harball, the dad. I
was like, Hey, my cousin's John, you know, said his
last name, and he goes, no, kidd, smoothie, how's he doing?
I was like, you remember my cousin once again? Do
you remember coaches and teachers or a buddy from the
fourth grade that maybe was your friend that you moved
away from And.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
You're like, what was that Gud's name? We had a
good time on the place.

Speaker 9 (01:20:04):
Yeah, you'll always remember that, just like they remember because
especially if you're engulfed in it and immersed in it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Yea.

Speaker 9 (01:20:10):
And does it shock you that a hardball will remember
all that stuff? No, and keep score on the names
and all that, Yeah, they can't. It doesn't fall far
from the tree. Brother, and the old man was competitive
as well as you know. Yeah, well we love them
for who they are, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Brandon.

Speaker 8 (01:20:23):
See you right there, buddy. We'll get you in on
the conversation. Also to the potential cold water for the
astros bats where they're gonna get hot. H I've got
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just a second. But you know, just something you know
Seans we've heard I mean a couple of nights ago
Joe a Spotas speaking with the media. Hey, these bats
will get going, you know, we'll find our groove. So
many words that he said of saying that they they
still believe that they have not necessarily gotten this line
up to the potential that it can reach. We hear
Dana Brown every single week with us, which normally today

(01:23:22):
at nine thirty is when he joins us. He'll join
us tomorrow at nine thirty. But what if I told
you that there's only so much of a shelf life
to believing that, because the main reason is you're not
going to be getting two ninety nine and seven eighty two.
Ut Jake Myers, that's not going to happen he's going
to stop being hot at the plate. He's going to

(01:23:43):
stop having you know, even the outs are loud right now,
you know one that he had there.

Speaker 9 (01:23:49):
He just history. What if this year is different? Well,
what if he has an out of body experience? Remember
we said at the begin to hear some on seasons
like this when you've lost a bunch of players else
that step up and have kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
A career year. Right, we said that two of them
had two, Right, what if Jake's one of them? It'd
be nice. But I just I think that still with.

Speaker 9 (01:24:09):
I told you he hit two seventy two with it,
eighteen home runs, seventy runs baded in, sixty five seventy
runs bad in And what would you say.

Speaker 8 (01:24:20):
I can't do a backflip, but I'm doing like the
hand motion of a backflip.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
That's what I would do. I would do a bat
You think he comes in at twelve home runs fifty
two RBIs hitting two thirty Yeah, yeah, that's yes.

Speaker 8 (01:24:34):
And where you are right now? What we're thirty five
games into the season. Still a long way to go. Yeah,
when we're still there's still a long way. If this
elevator can go, when where you buy in All Star break.
If he's sitting two eighty one at the All Star break,
you think this is his year. He's hitting two eighty
one at the All Star Break, he is an All Star.

Speaker 9 (01:24:54):
Okay, now back to reality anyway, Yeah, Kitty, I hope
that I you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Hopefully sure, but remember you can throw Jeremy Peney in
there too.

Speaker 10 (01:25:01):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:25:01):
The thing I'm thinking about is we we've seen the
history of Jake Myers, right, sure about it? At the plate,
stellar defense, stellar defense, average arm piece in arm average
not a plus armah, not a plus average, not a
plus arm, good range and good defensive players and below
average hitter. Yes, but why though? Think about these years

(01:25:25):
since Springer left. Who are they trying to force feed
you at center field? No matter who the general manager is,
who's or the manager, who's it been? Oh, it's been Myers,
Dusty the spot a click he was here with click? Yes,
and uh and obviously Dana Brown. So I'll ask you,
did they see something in him that says he's more

(01:25:47):
He's closer to this guy potentially than the guy we
always see at the plate that he's just remember, coming
out of last spring training, they gave him all this confidence.
We want to play him. We believe in Jake and
like the guy in trying to believe in himself in plate.
So maybe he's a guy that needs approval. You know,
there's guys like that that needs that pat on the

(01:26:08):
back is opposed to a kick in the ass. Maybe
maybe the only reason I'm saying this, I'm trying to
hold out hope that maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
That do we get a two seventy or two sixty
five guy.

Speaker 9 (01:26:16):
But why would you continue to every single different person
who comes in here pushed an arrative that that's our guy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
They have given him every opportunity to lose the job.
Let alone keep it, I think, And he's keeping it now.
So this is the final rung on the ladder if
it doesn't improve.

Speaker 9 (01:26:30):
So, but is there something too that all these different
bodies believe that that's their center fielder.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah, Or you think it's just defense, It's for two things.

Speaker 9 (01:26:40):
It's well, they see something we haven't seen yet with
their his swing, and that over the course time that
they expect him to be a better hitter than he's
been in his career two point five. It's the speed
and it's the defensive metrics. That he gives you out
there in center field. Again, the speed covers, but two
forty plus is a bonus, is what you're saying.

Speaker 8 (01:26:58):
But the point five is the power component that he has,
because while he does have a lot of swing and miss,
he is a guy that has shown you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
To run into something. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:27:06):
Oh yeah, so I just kisous. I'm trying to glass
that full. I get it. I'm trying to just get
the other Well what if, well, what if he is
a different guy. What if this is his year where
he steps up. What if the constant belief that this
team and organization have shown him to be the starting
center fielder every day, that this is the way they
believed he could hit. Now, I think they've seen enough

(01:27:28):
evidence to say it's going to take more than that
the thirty some games into the season, but man, it
sure is an upy. Listen, he could be hitting one
ninety seven and we'll be saying, here we go again.
At least he's given you something to say, Okay, at
least in the first you've needed some of his bat
and he's come through. So until he proves different this year,
I'm going to judge him this year, and he's been

(01:27:48):
a pleasant surprise offensively, but yeah, if a future's bet, Dan,
you'd be getting some really good odds in your favor
money wise, they would say, yeah, bet this guy's not
going to do what he's doing now, and you're gonna
get odds because the odds to say that. You know,
if you said, well, he is gonna put it this way,
you get better odds. I'm talking about to make a

(01:28:09):
lot of money if you bet the fact that this
was going to continue, right, if you've got a future's bet,
and you wouldn't get the odds if because they'd favor
the oh, he'll hit two eighteen or two twenty one.
So if if you bet on a future bet that
this is who he is, you're gonna get some pretty
good odds and making money in your favor.

Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
We've covered this obviously with jord On. We know that
he's better than what he's shown, and we'll see how
long he's going to be out and what he looks
like when he comes back. Janer Diez, he is better
than a two to twenty three hitter at least, we
believe a little bit of a smaller sample size than
we have with jord On, But Jose Altuve. I mean,
ever since you know, the hotter start to the season,
it's now down to two fifty four. It's about fifty

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points less than what his career average is at three
zero five. And I understand people are gonna say, oh,
batting average, it's a you know, it's an archaic stat whatever,
it still shows me that he's getting on base.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
That's and not only are you.

Speaker 8 (01:28:58):
Getting on base, that you're hitting the baseball to get
on base, right, So I've got that, But I mean
east Sock peretis. You know, he's twenty points higher than
his career average right now at two fifty four, So
that's going to come back a little bit. And then
Christian Walker, obviously all know a slow start. He's about
two fifty hitter in his career. He's bat in two
oh three, so maybe, I mean you will start to

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get a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
More out of him.

Speaker 9 (01:29:20):
And with Christian Walker, we figured the slugging would be
We didn't expect him to hit two eighty five, right,
two fifty six with twenty five home n see.

Speaker 8 (01:29:29):
And that's the he just touched on it right there,
because I mean, you know, he gets the base hit
last night it's like, all right, yeah, hey, hey, there
you go. You know that that that could get him going.
I don't need a base hit out of him. I
got I've got a guy on base right there. I
need one going over the wall. That's that's what I
paid him the money to come over from Arizona to do.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
That's what he's supposed to do.

Speaker 9 (01:29:49):
And you expected, and Rogers has been well depending on
the ballpark. I mean, and Colorado was a good, solid
hitter and a really good glove. So what are you
going to get out of him in this ballpark?

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
The majority?

Speaker 8 (01:30:00):
That's another one too. Make a choice, make a choice
at second base.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
And going with it.

Speaker 9 (01:30:04):
I don't last see, I don't like my committee. That's
just not my style. I've told you a million times.
I want the lineup to be. If I know we're
good one hundred and forty five, one hundred and fifty games,
I don't have to check the lineup card.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
That's just how I feel. But I'm not Joe spotted,
and it's I mean, and that's just it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:19):
I mean, I understand what Mauricio Dubon has done for you,
but I don't come off of what we talked about
during spring training. Brendan Rodgers is my second basement. The
numbers aren't that necessarily different, but I want the freedom
to be able to play Mauricio Dubon at other places.
And it's also too I mean, you hear Joe a
spot after the game last night. Oh you know, I
told Brendan Rodgers to be a good day to get

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his first home run. Well, you know what else would
be a good thing playing him there every single day,
So then maybe he can start to find that a
little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:30:46):
I don't know, Yeah, I guess I don't know why
we're so enamored. I mean, and I love Joe, I do,
but why we're so enamored with constantly having to make
sure that everybody gets a swing every other day or so?
To me, I'm gonna win this thing with the guys
that did start, and you're gonna need the extra guys.
Don't misunderstand their important Descenzo to come and get a
home run. But I'm not winning a World Series platoon

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on a regular video.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
I'm just not.

Speaker 9 (01:31:14):
I need to get healthy and to get a lineup
and to get it going, because that's and then and
then you've got to have those games a handful of
a year or twenty of them a year, where those
guys come in and do their thing like Descenzo has
or like Dubon when he gets three hits in the game,
all those things. But you're winning championships with your core
of your team or the core of your starting lineup, unless,
of course, the guy you put him in there, put

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him in there and he just sucks, then well guess what,
then you got to put somebody else in there and
keep them in there. I just to me, the rhythm
and continuity that you're going to talk about with the
Rockets is going to be important end game regularly. I
just I'm one of those guys that likes to settle
it and let them play their way into it and
play it or play their way out of it. Put
the bat in their hand, let's see what happens. I'm

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not a big to change the lineup one hundred and
forty times a year.

Speaker 8 (01:31:59):
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Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
For The Shawn Salisbury Show continues, and it no no
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Speaker 8 (01:32:14):
I'll get back to the phone lines here in just
a second, but did want to get you some of
this audio yesterday from rafel Stone and head coach Im A.
Doka meet with the media to end this season. End
of course with Stone, I mean, you know, featuring him,
because we don't really get to hear from him a
ton hem Adoka is kind of the singular, you know,

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voice for the front office coaching staff during the season
and the end of the season, preseason, that's when we
get to hear from rafel Stone. But one thing, and
one of the first things that he was asked about
yesterday was the off season plans for this teams. This
is a team that's gonna go star hunting and try
to make that blockbuster trade of the off season or
do you like the group that you have?

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
This was rafel Stone's answer.

Speaker 11 (01:32:58):
Again, all things being equal, continent, he's great, But you know,
the goal ultimately is to build a championship team. And
if we think that there there's a move or a
series of moves that make it more likely we will
be that, then we would ignore continuity and we'd do
those moves.

Speaker 8 (01:33:16):
So, I mean, as I said earlier, his line, continuity
is very very likely. I mean, he just gave himself
an off ramp right there, Sean. That's you know what
that signals to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Me, We're not trading for anybody big, No, the complete opposite.

Speaker 8 (01:33:30):
It signals to me that if Milwaukee comes to him
and says, hey, we are going to pivot with this thing,
it seem you know, it looks like that we're not
going to have Dan Willard that Giannis is getting a
little bit older, and he has voiced said, if its
the right situation, like, I don't think Jannis is the
type of guy it's going to force his way out.
He strikes me as being the type of guy kind

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of like in a lesser example here when Lance Berkman
told the Astros, hey, look if it works for you,
I see how this thing is going move me and
help yourself out, Like, you know, let's do something like that.
I could kind of see Yannis doing something like that,
and he's giving you a championship. You have that approach.
I think that probably they would be willing to oblige you.

Speaker 9 (01:34:09):
I think there's a part of me that we both
think that going out and getting another stud's are important.
But I'm going to look at the opposite way. When
I hear that continuity tells me they like what they have.
They're not going to disrupt it. They're not making a
wholesale change. Maybe they'll obviously listen, like he said, somebody
calls and there's the deal that makes us more, have
better continuity and be a better team. Of course, But

(01:34:33):
I look at this way that while we're like men,
that he's not willing to just make knee jerk reaction
and get rid of everybody because they got a good
thing going Zach. If I said, well you have continuity, Dan,
we have great continuity in the building, the thought is
when we've talked about the Astros in the past, oh,
great continuity in the clubhouse. That doesn't tell me they
want to disrupt it. That tells me they want to

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add a piece or two that it fits in. But
isn't like major wholesale. We're getting rid of five to
get two, we're getting rid of seven. We're just we're
doing all of it over again. So I'll look it's
kind of maybe it's somewhere in between, but I'll look
at it this way that it was almost a warning
that we're not going out and making a whole sale
changes that we're getting rid of ten players on a
roster to bring in some star or two. I think

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that there's the possibility if it fits, but I think
they would lean towards the conservative we're good other than
a few pieces, as opposed to they need the puzzle
and the puzzles, Yannis. But what you got to give up,
I'm gonna look and say that that was his to
be able to say, all you guys relax. I know,
because Yanna, all these names are gonna come up. Continuity
is that we're close. And I don't think it's going

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to be a major disruption to their continuity if he
lives by that part. But if somebody comes up making offer,
they can't refuse it better as the building, of course
you make that deal.

Speaker 8 (01:35:44):
Well, I mean, you at least leave yourself open for that.
And I do think that probably you are correct, because
like last season, you know, I heard Matt and Ross
talking about this yes day. What was the offseason move?
There wasn't one. They didn't make a single one. They
retained guys and the only move that you could make,
you know, from the trade deadline to that point was
they went out and got Steven Adams, who wasn't able

(01:36:04):
to play because of the knee injury, so you finally
got to play him this year. They want to bring
him back, They want to bring Fred van Vliet back.
But I think that rafel Stone looks at this roster
and says, we have to add some offense to this
because that's what got us beat.

Speaker 9 (01:36:16):
Now that offense may not be a big name that
you did, the big sex scene, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:36:23):
I think there's levels that Jannis is in a different
rarefied air. Kadi's been in rarefied here. I think a
step below. You're not going to tell you he's not
going to cost much. He's older and it's not going
to cost you as much. But he'll score twenty five
every night. And then there's the booker part of it,
who can get you twenty five every night too. But
I just don't think wholesale changes are with this roster needs.

(01:36:43):
I think some tinkering. Now, if you're asking me, would
I give it now, I'm just talking about how they're feeling.
If you said you give up three or four players
in a couple assets to get Yannis, but keep the
majority of the Van Vliet to keep this team intact
other than a few piece is that you just have
to move. And that means a Ben Thompson's here, that
means shng Guon's here. Now, when you say all that,

(01:37:06):
you say, well, then what do I got the firepower
to go get Johannis? I don't know if you do.
But if you do, you can't just let sevent of
your core players go. I don't believe that. I think
the continuity says we're gonna you're more apt to see
us just like this with a few changes as opposed
to a bunch of changes. And there's one big stud.
But we've got rid of four really good players.

Speaker 8 (01:37:24):
I don't see that. I don't see them being that desperate.
Let's hear some more from rafel Stone. Jalen Green's playoff performance.
It was not great. How did the GM view the
way that he played these seven games?

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
That's a really flawed question.

Speaker 11 (01:37:38):
Like we have, there's there's there's there's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Great data that we have and we use.

Speaker 11 (01:37:43):
But and I can one of my you may would know,
one of my favorite things I tell them when when
when we have new coaches joined, one of my favorite
things to tell them is I can.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Make data say whatever I wanted to say.

Speaker 11 (01:37:55):
And so you know, I think you know, we we
heavily use it, but but we're very careful to try
and really parse it out. And I would say that
I would say that that that that some of our
very best lineups include him, and so uh so so
that that that piece by itself, I just think that's
just yeah, that's just that's just not correct.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
It makes sense when you talk about skin.

Speaker 9 (01:38:17):
You can you can get the numbers to however you
want to, you know, translate them. But the fact is
you didn't need numbers to watch six of the seven
games he was. He was not Jalen Green. We expect
and there's no way you couldn't say that you need yeah, right,
and they know that. It's a it's a way of
him being kind without burying a guy who's maybe a

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big future here and say, yeah, as postseason sucked, he's
got to play better. We're in trouble. He knows it,
they know it, they see it. It's obvious you didn't
need one metric. All you needed was the eye test.
Six of the seven games, Jalen Green was not the
player that we saw in game two. But he's got
the teasers he's got that ability and that that's what

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makes you so frustrated. But it's a small sample size
in the postseason, and rafel Stones one hundred correct there.
It's like, I don't want to say unfair, because that's
how we judge players, but to judge a career by
seven games is a little bit premature aspect. Now, if
his whole season would have been like that, they were
just holding on to potential. It's like, come on, man,
I can't get one of those once every twenty five games.

(01:39:20):
But you've seen enough of him to say he could
go somewhere else and be a consistent All Star, and
that's why you keep hanging on to it. He's shown
flashes of player of the month, domination type of player,
but when you see it in the postseason, it's more
heightened because it's the last thing you see heading into
the next year.

Speaker 8 (01:39:39):
How close is this team to being a championship basketball team.
We'll let you hear what rafel Stone thinks on the
other side. Also get Brandon, Anthony Biscuit, all of you
guys in on the conversation here as we continue here
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Speaker 8 (01:41:10):
The metrics of this team performs better when he's not
on the floor, and obviously rafel Stone taking some umbrage
to that question, as you just heard him say there.
But the next question is for rafel Stone is how
close is this team to winning a world title? And
that was something that he talked about yesterday of trying
to bridge that gap for this team.

Speaker 11 (01:41:32):
I think it's it's less what we learned and more
it's a learning opportunity. What like, just this is a
compliment to e May that my favorite thing about this
team is I felt from the beginning of the year
to the end of the year, we were the hardest
playing team in basketball. And that's that's really a testament
to him and his staff and obviously to our players

(01:41:52):
as well. But but that'll get you over in the
regular season in a way, it won't get you over
in the playoffs, because every he.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Plays hard in the playoffs. So there you go, Sean.

Speaker 8 (01:42:03):
I mean again, that's pointing too that there will be
offensive upgrades made to this team, because that's pretty much
without saying it, what he says is what did this
team in because when they lost games this year three
four minutes scoring droughts, you let the other team get
on a run. You know, you lose it in the
fourth quarter. You can't get it back because you know
they just went on a twelve to one run and

(01:42:25):
you just don't have that offensive firepower to be able
to shoot your way back into this. Sometimes they did,
but it was just way too inconsistent. And that's to
the tune of the two seed too. Think about what
we're saying here, and that's and and and that's just
getting to my next point here is because if you
want to call this a dire warning, I just think
that the warning signs are there. Don't be fooled by

(01:42:45):
what you did because it doesn't translate into the following season.
Remember I brought up the Atlanta Hawks when they went
to the Eastern Conference finals that one year, and you're saying.

Speaker 9 (01:42:54):
Trey Young jacked up Yeah, they're They're they're the NBA
championship team.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
There you go.

Speaker 8 (01:42:58):
I mean if they called off that fell fast, it
fell off the face of the earth. I mean, they've
been a middling five hundred basketball team, playing round team
ever since. They just have not been able to take
that next step. They tried to add to John Say Murray,
you know, they've tried to make other moves and it
just hasn't translated. They haven't been able to recapture that
basketball that they were playing the Sacramento Kings a couple

(01:43:19):
of years ago. Mention them as somebody else that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
They're on the doorstep man. But continuity is nice.

Speaker 8 (01:43:24):
But the continuity that I look at is the follow
up question would be, Okay, what you just saw offensively,
what makes you believe you're going to make a precipitous
and up jump that you are going to be back
in the spot number one? But even more than that,
I mean, we're kind of Texans level with this now.
Of Hey, winning the division is nice, getting into the
playoffs cool. You know you can win on wild card weekend.

(01:43:46):
You've got to get to the AFC Championship any more.

Speaker 9 (01:43:49):
The comparisons, even more so the astros who expect to
get there all the time. Right sure, and now it
may be premature to put that on the Rockets, but
with their talent young, that's how you eventually got. Now
that you've got your you were the two seed, what's next?
Be the one seed and be the favorite in the West.
That's what's next. Do it, Oklahoma City. Those quantum leaps
that they've made the last couple of years. I want
you to And there's no doubt the postseedon you needed

(01:44:12):
more punch, there's no question. But I want you to
listen to triple he can ask a favor. The last
twenty thirty seconds of what rafel Stone just said, can
we get to that one more time? When he talked
about playing hard, twenty stilled right around where he said
a tribute to Emay. I want you to listen to
this and listen to how we all feel. I got it,

(01:44:37):
okay popping up there for me, we.

Speaker 11 (01:44:42):
Were the hardest playing team in basketball, and that's that's
really a testament to him and his staff and obviously
to our players as well. But but that'll get you
over in the regular season in a way. It won't
get you over in the playoffs because everybody plays hard
in the playoffs.

Speaker 9 (01:44:57):
Perfect, stop there. Think about this. He told you the
NBA is and I know it's not specific. He talked
about his team's play harder. Now, what do I always
say about cod You know, I guarantee you may Udoka
doesn't coach playing hard. He went in with the first
culture message, saying we will play hard on both ends
of the floor here, either by an or don't. I

(01:45:19):
don't need to remind you of every day because once again,
should he may Adoka have to coach playing hard. Now
if he does, we got a problem. Now, if you're
down by twenty and you quit playing in the middle
of the fourth quarter, or you're down ten and you
quit playing, then I come set you by me and
send that message that way. Once I've established and that's
what that's who we are, You're gonna come sit by me.
But think about what he said. Every when it comes

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to the playoffs, everybody plays hard. Think about the man.
They even know that. Across the league. The regular season, eh,
sometimes I play hard. I'm not talking about the rocket sometimes,
he said. Everybody plays hard in the playoffs, which means
during the regular season there's a lot of coasting. There's
a mes that and he didn't mean the message, but
I look into the subliminal part of it is is

(01:46:03):
the rest of the league, the regular season, you got
to pull teeth to get the guys to play forty
eight minutes a night, which is crazy. That being said,
they do play hard, they should play hard.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
They get paid. I don't reward teams for playing hard.
I just don't. I'm gonna keep saying it.

Speaker 9 (01:46:20):
But he's right though with when rafel Stone says that
a tribute to Emay. Why because the second the door
opened and he walked in as a head coach, you knew.
That's all I got to say about it, because once,
if I got to remind you to play hard, then
I got the wrong players. And I think they got

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the right players for the most part.

Speaker 8 (01:46:42):
I mean, it's looking for offensive upgrades, but it's also
I mean, you hope that from this experience that you
take is that next year the court's not as big.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Did you think Cam Whatmore is going to be a star?

Speaker 8 (01:46:52):
There was a part of me that thought he was
going to be a I mean, yeah, I think he's
somebody that gives you an offensive element that you didn't
have regular times on the floor. That's what kind of
puzzled me with why he wasn't used more.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Yeah, here's a guy that I think, Man, this guy's
got that's star ability in him right now.

Speaker 9 (01:47:09):
Maybe it's a little bit of you need to grow
up a little bit, and that may be, like I said,
that may be it too.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
It's just I.

Speaker 9 (01:47:16):
Saw flash when he first got here and before the
emerges that guy, right, and you're hoping he does. The
question is how long you gonna wait before you move
on or do your thing here? And do you have
enough continuity with the guys you got now to make
a few changes without the big change and get to
where you want to go. That's something they're going to
have to study and find out for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:47:35):
We'll let some of you in on the phone lines
here Anthony wants away and good morning Anthony.

Speaker 6 (01:47:41):
Hey, good morning guy. So I have a few thoughts
on the Rockets. So my first thought is that this
group went forty one and forty one last season. They
won fifty two games this season, and.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
You know that.

Speaker 6 (01:47:58):
Doesn't happen by accident. And you know, the the of
the core guys, the regular rotation players and y'all could
correct me if I'm wrong. I believe prior to this
season Fred Van Vliet and Dylan Brooks were the only
two regular rotation players who had any playoff experience. And
I think that, you know, for Lebron James, it doesn't

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make a hill of beans if if he plays in
another playoff series. Lebron James is who he is. But
for a men Thompson and Alprin Shangoon and Jalen Green,
this this is gonna matter next year, and so my
my thought is not to sell the farm. They built
this through the draft, just like the Astros did. They

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brought their own players up, and I think they're built
for success for a long period of time with the
core group of players they have here. My thoughts are,
go see where see where we end up with the
lottery in the first round. If you if you have
a top five pick used for leverage, and go get
a prolific scorer. But don't sell the farm to bring

(01:49:05):
in a rental for a couple of years, because what
we have right now is going to sustain success for
the next eight to ten years.

Speaker 9 (01:49:12):
I appreciate the call, Anthony, and I mean a lot
of sense to the call man, it really is about
the core players, and he's right. The playoff experience was
nil other than a couple of players before this, and
obviously getting that experience will be invaluable because it will
you do take that with you the next year. Failures
and successes and how you deal with them. Lebron's been

(01:49:32):
in a million. I'm not worried about him, but yeah,
how you deal with those in the corrier team. But yes,
this is a very inexperience they went in. They went
in blind on this. I mean not blind because their season,
but playoff blind because they didn't really have a lot
of direction because not a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Guys had seen it before.

Speaker 8 (01:49:47):
Well, and you know, for a guy like Shingoon, I mean,
I appreciate what he said leaving the locker room the
other night. He said, I didn't have a very good
offensive season, and of course we're all sitting back, well
wait a minute, like a double double every single night.
But I appreciate that he's saying, no, I have a
standard of playing better basketball on that end of the floor.
And I mean, I think he recognizes again that if
you ask me, who is going to be the primary

(01:50:08):
on this team? Is it he or is it Jalen Green.
I'm leaning right now towards Alprin Shangun because for Jalen Green,
I think that he just doesn't necessarily have what it
takes to be that guy night in and night out.
He proved it numerous times. I think he's more towards
Klay Thompson than he is the other guy.

Speaker 9 (01:50:25):
Let's put it this way. There's more talented players on
this team than Shangun. I'm just taught raw ability. Sure,
Shangun's the best player, Say what you want, he's the best,
best performer. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's how we
use words. Do I think a man Thompson could be
in this league where he's where people just looking and say,
I know what I'm getting every friggin knight from that stud? Yes,

(01:50:47):
but I think the production I pretty much know now.
The defensive end, Shengun needs some more.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
We know that.

Speaker 9 (01:50:53):
But I'm just on being a guy. Maybe the All
Star team this guy can play. And I'm with you, Well,
there's more talented. I'm I'm not sure there's better or
just night in and night out. I pretty feel pretty
good about what I'm gonna get out of Shane Gun
on the offensive end. Now he's going to have to
improve on the defensive end.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
But we a lot of times in this league judge
of people from their offensive production and then you want
to win MVPs. You got to do both. But I'm
with you.

Speaker 9 (01:51:20):
The question is how many guys past Shan Gun and
a Men Thompson are in the Rocket's mind untouchable or
that are going to impact this team to win a
championship because the feel good business is fine, but I'm
really not in it for that. The only way you
feel good is win into championships. But they made quantum
leaps from two years ago in the twenties to forty

(01:51:41):
one last year to plus fifty fifty plus this year,
So they've got good things going on. But you got
to ask yourself, not only now, but in the futures,
what am I going to look like three years from now?
Do I see Jalen Green is running this show three
years from now? And if you don't, then then you
better answer every call because he's young enough or I
should be able to let me go around the league.
If I say it about, if I said it about,

(01:52:02):
give me a young player, that's okay, Ban Carrol.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Really, that's right, said, let's go ban Carrol. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:52:09):
Do you think that franchise looks and says he's going
to be here three years? That's that's a staple we're
building around him. I would know that's the way they
feel right now. R Yeah, So do we feel that
way about him front office and coaching wise. It three
years from now he's going to be a bell cow
and then you got to find out if that's the case,
because right now I don't see Jalen Green being a
seventh guy in my rotat. He's either a star and

(01:52:32):
it feels like he's a star and a stud. Right
question is we'll be here consistently in the postseason still
an early still a way too early body of work
postseason wise for us to bury him.

Speaker 8 (01:52:42):
And I think that's why, indeed you are going to
see him stick around here. It's gonna be an interesting
offseason for sure. Get to some of you guys on
the phone lines. I know a couple of you want
to weigh a little bit more on this, so we'll
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Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Biscuit, Good morning, Biscuit, what's up, buddy Ay.

Speaker 16 (01:55:00):
Top of the Morning to your uh shine, and then
hey man, let me Dan, if you will let me,
let me make some points here. And because I don't
think i've talked to you guys since the Rockets lost
to Golden State number number one, the Rockets future is
bright man, Shine. You know I've been putting why if
you you go through all this time to build something,

(01:55:23):
why would you just blow it up all of us?
You ain't You're not letting the whole process play out.
What is it you thought the Rockets was going to
get to the conference.

Speaker 17 (01:55:33):
Finals this year?

Speaker 10 (01:55:34):
I don't.

Speaker 17 (01:55:34):
I don't understand that. You know what I'm saying, They
at about where they were supposed to be. You know,
in my opinion far as the growth stage.

Speaker 16 (01:55:45):
Now, listen to what Stone says, Shine, I'm like, I
took it the way you.

Speaker 17 (01:55:48):
Took a Shine. I took it with like.

Speaker 16 (01:55:50):
They're not calling nobody, But if somebody calls them and
you know, offers them something they can't refuse, of course,
you know they're gonna They're not gonna be foolish and
pass it up.

Speaker 17 (01:56:02):
But I don't think they're going out shopping things. Shot.

Speaker 16 (01:56:04):
Me and my buddy we try to put up This
is what a package would look like, say to get
Giannis that would have to make the money match, and
what they would have to give up Jalen Jabari cam
went More probably reeed Sheppard at a couple of draft picks.

Speaker 17 (01:56:21):
Are you gonna no, I'm not gonna do that. I
don't think so. I don't think Stone would either.

Speaker 16 (01:56:26):
And so to me, then you said something that I've
always been trying to say is I think the roles
probably are gonna have to change next year.

Speaker 17 (01:56:36):
I think that all the guys who were twenty three
and under so none of them hitting their ceiling yet,
but maybe some.

Speaker 16 (01:56:41):
Of the roles would have to change. Then you made
the point, but maybe Jalen should be a Klay Thompson.
I guarantee you Jalen would prefer to.

Speaker 17 (01:56:50):
Play that role. They put him in a role that
maybe wasn't suited.

Speaker 16 (01:56:55):
For Jalen, and I'm thinking they starting to see that
Jalen would rather just be score instead of it'd be
the primary ball in And that's what rould me have
to slide over the Thompson.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
You know what, Yeah, no doubt about it.

Speaker 9 (01:57:13):
And you know what biscuit about this is that I
that's why I'm not sitting on the fence about this.
Listen if if they call it about Giannis, I'm listening
as you and I booker, And of course I'm gonna
listen to see if well, maybe they're gonna give him
away cheaper. Maybe you know all those questions. Yes, of
course I'm answering every call. Why wouldn't I's I gotta
do say no? But I just am always. I hate
it when when when you crap can something that you

(01:57:36):
only had one playoff run with him. If I look
at the quantum leaps from like twenty two wins to
forty one wins to fifty plus in the two seed,
something tells me that next year could even be better. Now, yes,
you're gonna have to tang right when, You're gonna have
to tinker with a few.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Guys and roles. And that's okay. We do it on
every team, even the World.

Speaker 9 (01:57:54):
Champions tinker, well, we like this role, maybe more minutes
for this guy. Even the team that wins the Nbahchampionship
will not have the same roster next year. They will
have something new or add a piece to it. Because
that's the way we evolve and the way we go
about sports. But I'm really big on the fact that
I want to see how this affected them good and bad.
Now you come back next year and I go through
this again and Jalen Green gives me six games like

(01:58:16):
that and his roles, I mean, and he had a
great regular season. Then I got to start to ask,
as you would too, Biscuit, is he not made for
these chops?

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
Right? Regularly we've seen those guys and that's okay.

Speaker 9 (01:58:26):
The good those guys well, the left hander that played
here and won an MVP, we've seen it with him
and he's what twelve fourteen years into his career, So
it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
So I'm not willing. I'm not making fire sale changes.
I'm just not.

Speaker 9 (01:58:38):
But I am listening to a big stud call, but
I'm not giving them away just for the sake of
changing after one playoff appearance that you got beat by
a team that lives in the postseason and the grit
and the best shooter of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
So there you go.

Speaker 17 (01:58:54):
Let me.

Speaker 16 (01:58:55):
Let me make this last point, Sean, if you watch
the game last night was go to State in Minnesota?
How did Anthony Edwards do get they go to State defense?

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
You saw it, You saw we.

Speaker 16 (01:59:06):
Gotta take any context who Jayalen was playing too, you
know what mean he's playing.

Speaker 17 (01:59:11):
Golden State has the best perimeter defense in.

Speaker 9 (01:59:13):
The league, and they have up and down for the
less since they've been on the winning streak of championships,
they've put everybody talks about their shooting and offense.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
They play defense.

Speaker 9 (01:59:22):
That's a big reason why they are, you know, ring
after ring after ring on their finger, not just because
they can shoot. They get stops on the other end
and take pride in it, for sure. Here's the yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:59:32):
But when it comes to Jalen though, it's a great
point brought up by uh about Anthony Edwards twenty three
and fourteen. That's not out of him, right, you're thinking, right, right,
that's and and that that's and I got biscuits point.
But you also get it if that's an off night
for Anthony Edwards, there's maybe they're.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
Just maybe Edwards is just a little bit better at
least start comparing those type of gifts. It's different. But
I know we'd like Jalen Green to be Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 8 (01:59:58):
Well, that's the thing though, is it's it's the roller coaster.
It's just the Hey, you're all wanted to be more
than thirty eight. Now you went to seven, like, yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:00:06):
You'd rather have twenty four and five, twenty four and
six than thirty nine and eight, Yes, and then seven
and two and eighty four.

Speaker 8 (02:00:13):
Right, Yeah, I mean at least that I still know
I'm getting it from you offensive.

Speaker 9 (02:00:17):
But I'm not giving him away just because of a
one playoffs series. I got to look at the big picture. Yeah,
that's fair, Al Brandon. See you guys right there.

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GM Rafel Stone and Email Udoka meeting with the media yesterday,
Stone saying continuity very very likely this offseason.

Speaker 8 (02:01:39):
And the Pacers and the Warriors both went last night.
Indye up to two o in their series against the Cavaliers,
and UH Golden State now up one oh on the
Minnesota Timberwolves. Some one three two one two five seven ninety.
Kind of put a bow on this Rockets conversation we've
been having because I know that Al on the south
side wants to weigh in.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
So Al, what's going on? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (02:02:02):
Dan?

Speaker 19 (02:02:02):
Look at Sean man, y'all be helping this weather man. Hey, Shun,
I won't pick your brain a little bit, and I'm
gonna go old school and I won't forget your tape.
Put your GM head on, Shun. Okay, and I hear
what people saying. I'll be real quick Dan on a
great call by Biscuit, But Shun, this.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Is what I'm looking at.

Speaker 19 (02:02:20):
I believe the Red Rockets, you know, the story or whatever,
all my life or lies. You warn them everybody. But
when people talk about this team, they say, I mean,
I'm not just putting your honesty.

Speaker 10 (02:02:31):
Now.

Speaker 19 (02:02:31):
He ain't the only player you can get. I believe
you need to get players that's in that for the
moment veterans. Because if you run this back and what
I hear people say and calling talking about the Rockets, this,
that and the third and then all in the same breath,
you give Golden State championship praise.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
They ran up on a dog.

Speaker 19 (02:02:49):
They got championship. So if you run it back and
you run to them again, what's the difference. My thing is,
you need superstars in the NBA. Shun this is the
league we're in.

Speaker 7 (02:03:00):
Get it done.

Speaker 19 (02:03:00):
Lakers got the bat guy from Dallas. It's Jason Tatum,
Jaylen Brown.

Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
You you don't have that. You got the COOLi Geoka,
Jenny West with Jamal Murray.

Speaker 19 (02:03:10):
You got a young team and okay, see they passed.

Speaker 2 (02:03:13):
The first round.

Speaker 19 (02:03:14):
Man, we need to quit being selling fans.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
We put the Texas in Super Bowl.

Speaker 19 (02:03:19):
We want them to go. And that's the same in basketball, man,
you can't keep you.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
We did that with James Harden and we got fooled.

Speaker 19 (02:03:26):
Regular season all right, playoffs nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:03:29):
Here we go again.

Speaker 19 (02:03:30):
Sometime You got to look at the tape and call
it for what it is.

Speaker 6 (02:03:32):
Man.

Speaker 20 (02:03:33):
You got to improve that. You're not winning with this roster.
You need to improve this team with superstars. Periods. You
can't say that and then you play these teams that.

Speaker 19 (02:03:43):
Got them and then say, oh, well they had the
best team and then you come back and say, I'm
not doing this here with the it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 9 (02:03:50):
Let me ask you this now. Let me ask you this.
The points valid well taken. Okay, I'm the GM as
you asked me to be. You're my head coach. Then
I come to you and you say, okay, you want superstars.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
What do you going? I'm asking you what are we
giving up to get them? And who?

Speaker 6 (02:04:04):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Now give me a solution. Okay, I know we want stars.

Speaker 9 (02:04:07):
We'd all like Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, Nicola Jokich, and
Shay Gilgess Alexander on our team as an all star team.
You got a bunch of guys that around the league.
People talk about some of these guys like they talk
about they're talking about Shigoon like they talk hear Draymond
Green loves it, thinks a guts, a great player, Aman Thompson.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
They think he's got to be.

Speaker 9 (02:04:25):
So the people in other cities are talking about our
guys like we're talking about some other players now. So
now that you're my coach, give me an idea who
you want and what are we gonna do to.

Speaker 2 (02:04:35):
Go get on?

Speaker 9 (02:04:35):
What are you willing to give up of this team
to go get that guy or two that you want?
Because there is a price to pay and it's gonna hurt.

Speaker 2 (02:04:42):
So how do we do it? Yeah?

Speaker 19 (02:04:44):
Okay, Sean. First of all, I'm looking at the NBA
hole as a washer. I'm digging into paperwork, and I'm saying, Seun,
let's look at the free agent mark and let's look
at a trade value. Let's just say Booker, let's look
at the guy in New York Bridges. Let's do something,
get in here like these other gms and make stuff happen.
We got a lot of free agents coming up, some
dudes on contract with Phoenix or whatever where we might

(02:05:07):
not have to do to Yiannis five dose.

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
And draft pick Tray.

Speaker 19 (02:05:11):
It's the other guys that's kind of star level players,
all all star players, which we don't have probably should
go on is the only one. It don't have to
be the big, big names, but you need to get
some proven championship predigree, better pedigree or not even that,
just some star level players to teach these young guys
and carry them along the way. Look at ant Man

(02:05:32):
over there, he's doing his thing, but he's got a
team over there.

Speaker 2 (02:05:36):
Some other guys can ball.

Speaker 19 (02:05:37):
It's some good players out there we can tweak to
this roster. I'm just saying, with this roster from what
I've seen, the second seed to go out to a
seventh seed, we got to call it like we called
everybody else seven game series we lost. I just want
to go in there to mind frame in twenty twenty five, Shun.
Let's get a star, a player that's you know, that's
going to motivate this team and that can ball Shun.

(02:05:58):
That's all I'm saying. It don't have to be Giannis.
There's other cats out there when we do our homework
that we can tweak this team. How you feel about it?

Speaker 9 (02:06:05):
That makes sense, Well, we've said, and it does if
I listen. I'm taking calls on Booker and KD and
Joannis and whoever else it stars, and I hell, I
may even make a feel but the one thing about
to get a guy like that, there's a price to pay,
even Booker and KD there'll be a price to pay.
The bigger prices for the price is sitting in Milwaukee.

Speaker 3 (02:06:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
We don't even know if Milwaukee's gonna move him. Who knows. Yeah,
I mean it's a big if. Nobody's said anything.

Speaker 9 (02:06:28):
But your point's very valid and that kind of goes
with what you're saying Dan about just a more punch
and if that's a superstar name, fine, But the one
thing about it when you bring in you've got to
spit out, meaning who's who are you willing to give
up to disrupt this? As rafel Stone said, the continuity,

(02:06:50):
and that's what you're looking for. Well, I'm valid point though,
and that's the inventory. It's being taken right now over
at the Memorial Hermon Training Facility.

Speaker 8 (02:06:57):
I mean, that's that's what these meetings are, is all right?
Do we believe that this guy is going to be
somebody that's with us for five more years, ten more years?
Is that somebody that we have long term plans for?
And I think if you get to a certain point
where maybe it is a Cam Whitmore, who knows. I
think it would be a mistake to turn the page
on Jabari Smith Junior, especially with the postseason that he

(02:07:18):
just showed, because I think that he kind of unlocked
something in himself. I think he gained some confidence in
his shot, and he's got length on the defensive end.
You know, that's part of his game that he has.
But is that something that he carries over into the offseason,
works on a few things and we all see him,
We all of a sudden see him come back next
year and we're like, who's this guy shooting threes? Like,
I mean, these are things that you need in order

(02:07:39):
to take this team to the next level. Because offensively, again,
that's what it comes back to. I understand defense will
win you games, but if you don't have offensive punch,
to Al's point, you're not winning a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
And then when it matters the most.

Speaker 9 (02:07:53):
Yeah, I think Jabari Smith's best basketball still in front
of him.

Speaker 3 (02:07:56):
I do.

Speaker 9 (02:07:58):
I think for him, it was just getting himself and
it obviously showed that his game went to a new
level in the postseason, and so maybe he's got I
think that there's the three and D part of him.

Speaker 2 (02:08:10):
I don't think we've seen anywhere near his best basketball,
and I hope it's here. I'm with you, but just
go in this. We all got to know this. You
may not get the big fish.

Speaker 9 (02:08:20):
You'll probably get a fish or two, and you're going
to lose some of the guys that you like, or
you're coming back with the exact same roster.

Speaker 2 (02:08:27):
And that's rare. Even if he won the NBA Championship,
that's rare. I will see.

Speaker 8 (02:08:32):
I would bet just from what we heard, the three
cuts from Rafelstone, that there will be a move made
this all. It's not going to be the same fifteen
guys next year. It's not going to be another offseason
of no free agency anything like that. I think the
Rockets will make a move that way.

Speaker 2 (02:08:48):
You mayn't even land the marlin. You may land a kingfish.
But that's not good.

Speaker 8 (02:08:51):
But that's okay, especially if you didn't have to give
up a whole bunch still mounts on the wall, Still
good eating.

Speaker 2 (02:08:56):
There you go.

Speaker 8 (02:08:57):
So I may you know you've got you've got that
at your dispose. I mean, I just the moves you
make has to be have to be immediate. I mean,
the moves you make have to make in the medium
impact on this team. Like I mean, I don't need
young players. I got those.

Speaker 9 (02:09:08):
Well, I mean, so I need people who can score
if you're going to go out the building, or I
gotta put a lot of trust in what I have
the scenario you laid out for Kevin Durant where yes,
I mean, I think if if Phoenix comes to you
and says, hey, we're willing to move them and this
is what it will take, I think that probably you've
got a little bit more bargaining power at the table
then you maybe would have if you were coming at

(02:09:30):
it from a you know, a desperate sense, because if
you're Phoenix, then they're like, all right, well we want
all these guys who's.

Speaker 2 (02:09:37):
Not worth that? Well, we don't do all you three
of them, not five of them? Right?

Speaker 9 (02:09:41):
No, I agree, you're gonna get k d cheaper. Regardless
of the the history in the back of his basketball card.
He'll score twenty five every freaking night. See that's what
you'd like, Pop. But you're gonna have to give up
half the farm to get Giannis because there's gonna be
a long line if you're if he's available, I assure you,
because when a team out West is going to do
everything they can to get him, and you and I
both it looks that trifecta together. Look at a team

(02:10:02):
like San Antonio, who they're kind of in the same
situation that you were a couple of years ago. Yeah,
now you have women and yamaa come back healthy Daron
Fox and you at him other instantly Pops team again,
even though Pop's out the coach. Now you've got the
three studs again to match. So yes, and there'll be teams.
You start to look around, listen, say what you want.

(02:10:23):
The Lakers are going to inquire about the guy. I
would have fired them, of course you would, because something
now they're missing. Is that a guy in there who's
a game changer. Somebody threw out the idea of Joel
Embiid to the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (02:10:37):
Well you just let you. You just traded that guy.

Speaker 9 (02:10:41):
Yeah, with them with more athleticism, run up another court
an Anthony Davis traded him the same guy you just
traded him.

Speaker 15 (02:10:49):
He is.

Speaker 9 (02:10:50):
He's really good if he's healthy. But so was the
guy in l a that you just traded for the
for for for Luca. So you're getting the same guy. Well, yeah,
if you want a guy that's going to play. You
got to You already got a load management gy who's
in his forty so you're trying to preserve in Lebron James.
So you're gonna bring in Joel Embid so he can
play forty games. Okay, sounds logical if you pay him
for eighty two and you get forty out of him,

(02:11:11):
and boy those forty or hell, he's good. He's the
problem is what am I doing with my game plan
approach the other forty four games or forty again the
other forty two games?

Speaker 2 (02:11:20):
I got a deal? Yeah, now it's oh yeah, hell yeah,
and that's part of my bot.

Speaker 9 (02:11:25):
Yeah, I want him, but here's what It's gonna be
a lot cheaper than you wanted it then you would
normally get if he played sixty five games.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
I ain't trading.

Speaker 9 (02:11:33):
I'm not giving away the farm for a forty two
game player. I'm just not Embiad's good. He ain't that
good that he can make a difference such a difference
for forty games. Well as Philadelphia. How many NBA championships,
say one recently? Yeah, Joel Embiid for eighty games is all?

Speaker 2 (02:11:49):
Is a monster?

Speaker 9 (02:11:51):
Joel Embiid for forty two. Ain't worth giving up six
assets for. I'm doing that pick flips thing again. Yeah,
that'd be Darryl Moury. Yeah, Darryl Moury right there and
his T shirts and his and his blazers. He miss
me with all the ass kiss and Joe El. Embiid's
a great he is a great player, great talent, but
the best of it, what do they say, the best
abilities availability?

Speaker 2 (02:12:09):
I only get him. Look at his career.

Speaker 9 (02:12:11):
What's he played eight hundred and some games, four hundred
of them, four and fifty of them. He's played in
four hundred and forty nine of them. He hasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:12:17):
Yeah, great when he plays, but I already just.

Speaker 9 (02:12:20):
Traded that guy away, and he's playing now in Dallas
and his name's Anthony Davis, who runs the court better
than Embiide does. Other than that, sure does he make
him better, of course he does. But you better have
a backup plan for the other forty games he doesn't play,
because it'll be an ankles. There's gonna be a lower
half injury. That's the lower half injury. That's kind of

(02:12:41):
that's kind of burning the candle with big men. But
is once those start to happen. Dude, he plays the
first twenty of thirty games. Well we got an MVP,
can it?

Speaker 2 (02:12:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (02:12:49):
Every time the dude hits the floor, he's a monster.
The problem is a lot of times it's in street
clothes and he ain't doing me any good from there.

Speaker 8 (02:12:56):
Definitely not Gary Brandon. See you guys there will get
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Going non stop with form Q.

Speaker 8 (02:14:11):
Sean Salisbury, Brandon, you've been patient man, Good morning, How
you doing?

Speaker 2 (02:14:18):
Good morning?

Speaker 10 (02:14:19):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (02:14:20):
Good morning?

Speaker 10 (02:14:23):
Seohan?

Speaker 2 (02:14:23):
How are you doing great?

Speaker 3 (02:14:24):
Buddy? Are you?

Speaker 2 (02:14:26):
They were okay, I'm ready for this series.

Speaker 13 (02:14:29):
They in for the throws.

Speaker 2 (02:14:31):
Well, I'm ready for it to end with a win. Brandon, Yeah,
me too, Yeah they and when yeah, now they they
definitely need to hit better.

Speaker 8 (02:14:43):
The pictures have been good, but it'd be nice to
see fromber go out there and absolutely shove today.

Speaker 17 (02:14:49):
I was about to say that we need good and from.

Speaker 2 (02:14:57):
Number forty four you HEARDing.

Speaker 3 (02:14:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
No updates yet. I mean, I know he came back
to Houston to meet with doctors.

Speaker 10 (02:15:04):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:15:04):
Joe was asked about it last night at Spota. He
didn't get into it, but uh, hopefully before the game today.
So keep it right here. Maybe we'll have something for you.

Speaker 10 (02:15:13):
Okay, all right, you have you having a good day, Sean.

Speaker 9 (02:15:17):
I'm having a great day, buddy. I've always liked when
you call in. We appreciate you calling in and your
enthusiasm every day. So yes, I every day is a
great day. I'm good. I'm always good, man.

Speaker 2 (02:15:28):
I love it. I love what we get to do
every day to come in here and talk sports, and
we appreciate you. Am into that.

Speaker 3 (02:15:33):
Yeah, I should come in and meet you guys.

Speaker 2 (02:15:37):
Yeah you should. Dan will pick you up if sometimes
you need it. You know, you know, I know I
was gonna say, you want to wake up at four
thirty with me? You want to you know, swing swing
in with with us, Brandon, Yeah, hang out with us. Yeah,
be fun for you one time, one time down the
road here to come in. Let's make this happen. That'd
be great.

Speaker 17 (02:15:56):
Some coffee for me.

Speaker 2 (02:16:00):
Let's care.

Speaker 9 (02:16:01):
Not only you'll make your cook coffee, you'll make your
breakfast too, Brandon, whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
What a guy there you go.

Speaker 9 (02:16:06):
Yep, we'll set that up. You enjoy that day game today, Brandon.
We like that, brother, We'll talk to you.

Speaker 2 (02:16:11):
Thank you. I we got to win. He got the win.
He probably got to win on his video game.

Speaker 8 (02:16:18):
Yeah, you know, hopefully, hopefully you're bringing the good vibes
today of the Astros brand and they need it for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:16:24):
Yeah, and guess who got the wind from me?

Speaker 8 (02:16:28):
Yes, there go good vibe speak, speaking it out into
the atmosphere. That's that's what Brandon's doings. He's putting out
the positive energy. Appreciate it, but.

Speaker 2 (02:16:36):
Good vibe stanks Brandon.

Speaker 5 (02:16:39):
You guys have a good man.

Speaker 2 (02:16:41):
Not only do you go pick him up dad, you
go making breakfast and coffee.

Speaker 15 (02:16:47):
He told you you have.

Speaker 9 (02:16:48):
Coffee ready for him. I was gonna say, I quick trips.
He told you, he said, and make me some coffee.

Speaker 17 (02:16:53):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (02:16:54):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (02:16:54):
Usually it's like, hey, Usually it's like when you're doad,
you go go make me a sandwich.

Speaker 2 (02:16:58):
Man.

Speaker 8 (02:16:59):
My breakfast making prowess is pretty good. Don't sleep on
the breakfast prowse that. I have a big breakfast car.

Speaker 6 (02:17:05):
Hitch.

Speaker 8 (02:17:05):
But but the but the thing is, though, it's like
every once in a while, if I do want to
have like a hot breakfast the next morning, I'll make
it the night before. Or it's more often and not
just oh there's a breakfast bar, there's a cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (02:17:17):
All right, let's go. That's so.

Speaker 9 (02:17:19):
So you go the layer card while you're awake and go.
You don't want to have to get up twenty minutes
over that said breakfast.

Speaker 8 (02:17:24):
Yeah, yeah, the week the weekend is for when we
you know, break out the mimosas and everything else of
the sort.

Speaker 9 (02:17:29):
It's basically big production. Basically listen, you go pick them
up and you've got to be somebody's bitch. Dan make
that coffee too.

Speaker 8 (02:17:37):
Would look at it that way, you know, I mean
it's a mutually it's a mutually beneficial meat up.

Speaker 2 (02:17:42):
And I would love to have bread and read. I
can't wait.

Speaker 9 (02:17:45):
And I but I love the fact he was just
bring me make me some coffee. That's it's okay. Yeah,
he went to like I said, sometimes you know, when
you get your hands over here and say, by the way,
make me a sandwich. Yeah, hey, honey, make me a sandwich.
Oh yeah, you make your own damn hand sandwich. But yeah,
there you go with Brandon. He told you to get
his ass some coffee.

Speaker 8 (02:18:06):
A show that we that I used to work on,
you know, we were all kept in we were all
in relationships, and we would record what the reaction was.
So that would be maybe one to do here is hey,
can you make me a sandwich? And hear what the
response is. I'm sure it's not great.

Speaker 2 (02:18:20):
Yeah, that's okay though, that's why we do.

Speaker 9 (02:18:23):
Bread's right there, Hey, go make me a say I
just gave you some love, Go make me a sandwich.

Speaker 2 (02:18:28):
Make it a ham one too.

Speaker 8 (02:18:29):
Well, the response would be the bread, yeah, the turkey's
right there, the cheese is right there.

Speaker 2 (02:18:34):
Don't let the door hitch you the way out right,
you know what, I'll get the chips out.

Speaker 9 (02:18:38):
We gotta that's we're gonna recut that. So whenever there's
something going on, just go make me a coffee. Down
and make me some coffee. That's what he said, was
I pretty much? Tommy and Goodfellas, Yeah, yeah, and no
more shines. Maybe you've been along. What's the matter with you?
You know, just just just having a little fun here, you.

Speaker 2 (02:18:55):
Know, what I love Brando's is confidence too. Yeah, I
love it.

Speaker 9 (02:18:58):
Man calls in a you know, maybe I should come
into the studio, and sitting on a showIn said, and
by the way, when I said, we'd love to have
you go, Dan will pick you up.

Speaker 2 (02:19:09):
See how I offered that information for you? Yeah? You well, uh,
and then and Dan pick me up, bring me a
cup of coffee? There you go, take me a couple
of CoFe. I think he said, make me a cup
of coffee. Yeah, I mean I could.

Speaker 9 (02:19:21):
I just I just know that that's a man who
knew what he wanted, and Dan is gonna make him
a cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (02:19:29):
K cuffs my coffee. Damn.

Speaker 9 (02:19:30):
Right is that the Kurig stuff, the Curig stuff? Yeah, yeah,
like fresh brown stuff. Oh I do too, But I
mean I sometimes got to adjust.

Speaker 8 (02:19:38):
I was gonna say, both conveniences there and you know
drive through it's open you So you got that too,
Philly Doc. Let's squeeze in Gary in my neck of
the wood spring, Gary, what's up.

Speaker 2 (02:19:49):
Hey, guys, good morning, great show as usual. Thanks Miney.

Speaker 15 (02:19:52):
I have a question about the last series with the
Rockets Golden State. But first I like to uh, come
in on the team and and what they need to
do in the you know, the off season.

Speaker 2 (02:20:02):
Earth.

Speaker 15 (02:20:02):
I don't really think they need to do much of anything,
especially with the starting five or six or seven people
they got going because if you take a look at him,
as young as they are, we keep talking about their youth,
which is accurate. What you want on a young team
is you want him to get better each year. Well,
you start three years back, and then two years back,
and then this year. They have gotten better every year.

(02:20:24):
So why would you want to change that up? Especially
with this coach. He's so good he knows what to
do with that. So I think leave everything status quo.
Probably need a shooter somewhere down the line if you're
a shooter, but I wouldn't get rid of the starting
six or seven. And I want to see Smith back
out there with more minutes because he's like a third
big man. I mean, he rebounds and he's just right

(02:20:46):
there and everything. So I need him back out there
with more minutes. But my question for you is in
one of the two games that we just the last
series that we just had, didn't they have a game
where they missed ten twelve free throws and they only
lost about about six or seven points.

Speaker 2 (02:21:03):
Didn't that happen? That was Game four?

Speaker 15 (02:21:06):
Yeah, so so you know, and one, I'm not one
to say, well, what, this play lost the game and
this play lost the game, because it's never just one play.

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
But that's not a play. That's a whole bunch of
different plays. And if they'd have made half of those.

Speaker 15 (02:21:21):
Or three quarters of those, they'd have won that game
and they'd have won the series. But you know, if
and butts were candy nuts. But I'm just saying, don't
change anything. Just keep going the way you are until
it doesn't improve anymore. And I think we're pretty close.
So anyway, I just wanted to throw that out there
and see what you guys thought.

Speaker 9 (02:21:39):
Thanks Garry, good stuff. Gary appreciate it. And we can
discuss that one thing too. Speaking about I was just
thinking about threes in this team and free throws and
shooting threes. We talked about the difference in the last
game being the Rockets, the discrepancy between makes and attempts
in the three point range. Right man, take a look
at Boston has a sixteen point lead. Even the teams

(02:22:03):
that we expected to have have a ring sixteen point
lead over the Knicks. They come out on the third quarter,
they keep poisting. They were fifteen to sixty. They shot
sixty threes in the game and gave up a sixteen
point lead. The Knicks came back and won and stole
game one from them, But Boston served up on a platter.
At some point in time, don't you say, you know what,
we're having a hard time. We're shooting twenty five percent
from beyond the arc. How about we bang it inside

(02:22:25):
maybe you know it it gets and get to the
foul line quick in the game play the hey play
in a half court. Not let them get on the
run because Brunton can turn that. That team's good enough,
as we saw, to come from behind and do their thing,
and Boston, you know, let them do it.

Speaker 2 (02:22:39):
But hoisted sixty.

Speaker 9 (02:22:40):
There comes a point in time when if you're not
making free throws, then keep getting in the line and
hopefully you're making them. But the long range, there's other
things you can live by. But I was just thinking
about how losing in free throws and the discrepancy in
Golden State's ability to knock down those threes. In Game seven,
the Rockets inability and once again Boston's in ay to

(02:23:00):
not even say maybe we should just play let let's
play a half court game, and let's also play bang
it inside and see if we can get the free
throw line get this game over whistle. And they ran
them down and beat him as we as we as
as well witnessed. So there's a lot of things to
improve on. But I don't know if wholesale is the
thing I want to be a part of. Right, And
that was the problem is Golden State. They dictated what

(02:23:21):
they wanted you to do in the half court, and
the Rockets didn't have an answer. That was the difference
in the series. You would almost see just organized chaos
right there on the half court side of things. And
by the way, Steph Curry, I believe I read and
I can't remember where I read, also said, alolong with
Draymond Green. It's one of the toughest defenses he's ever faced. Now,
three years ago, if I'd have told you that, you'd

(02:23:43):
have said, before emake got it, you'd have laughed.

Speaker 2 (02:23:45):
Talking about this. Yes, yeah, he said this team, That's
what I'm saying. That would have been my response.

Speaker 9 (02:23:50):
He's talking so thinking about that, we're not talking about
this team offensive scoring and triple doubles, your sign.

Speaker 2 (02:23:55):
This team's defense.

Speaker 9 (02:23:56):
And at the beginning of the year, I said, if
they get buy into defense, they'll go to another level.
And he made Udoko's made sure of it. And they
make it miserable because they're physical, they're they're they what's
the other word, they're and Dan tagonistic, they switch, they help,
but they're they're good on the perimeter and they're playing.
It seems to be a theme in Houston played defense
in basketball.

Speaker 8 (02:24:16):
Well, I mean it's I would have had the Steven
Adams like response after you know, Game six, when he
was asked, you know what do you what difference do
you make that you're talking about me?

Speaker 2 (02:24:24):
Bro Like that would have been me. I like you,
you're talking about this team right defense? Brother?

Speaker 9 (02:24:28):
And when Steph Curry sounding if you've been hard on him,
it's that's that's a loud message to the rest of
the NBA.

Speaker 8 (02:24:34):
Next year, I'd like to be harder on them in
meaning they're staying home, you're going agreed anyway. A recruiting
p s A that you know I came across this
morning that I know, Sean you have experienced with this
and a message for the parents out there, A hard
one for some.

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Speaker 8 (02:26:32):
We're trying to get to the next level, trying to
be able to, you know, hopefully play at a major
now Power four program, any of those things.

Speaker 2 (02:26:40):
But you've coached quarterbacks for you want to keep playing.

Speaker 9 (02:26:43):
Yeah, doesn't matter what level, whatever level is you want
to get to, you do your best to have your
quarterbacks or your players, your training or coaching, keep playing.

Speaker 8 (02:26:51):
If you're looking out for the best entrance. Of course,
you know you're coaching, you're you're you're doing it for
the benefit of them, not the other way.

Speaker 2 (02:26:56):
They're the ego and the size of school.

Speaker 9 (02:26:58):
We all have dreams, but you know what my goal
will tell them, Just just do whatever you can to
keep If you love playing, keep continue playing, whatever level
that is. There's a lot of good football play that
isn't powerful well.

Speaker 8 (02:27:08):
The problem that now persists in college football especially is
with name, image and likeness. The transfer portal get a
lot of people who are not affiliated with these programs
that will lead you to believe they have more pull
than they really do.

Speaker 2 (02:27:21):
And that actually happened in Georgia.

Speaker 8 (02:27:23):
There's a pair of sisters in Georgia who say they
were scammed out of thousands of dollars by a man
who is now under investigation for multiple acts of fraud
as Gainesville police picked up Malcolm Walker for theft by
deception for allegedly scamming coaches and families into thinking they

(02:27:44):
would get their son to meet with college coaches.

Speaker 9 (02:27:49):
Listen, man, I hear this all the time. Dan maybe
not as blatant as that, but I hear about everybody's
a scouting service.

Speaker 2 (02:27:58):
Somebody'll come.

Speaker 9 (02:27:59):
I've had parents endlessly over the lead years come say,
well they had it was approached by this guy or
this guy sort said he can give in front of
coach and he can get me recruited. I said, okay,
just do your due diligence because it could be a
money grab and the due due diligence and in many
cases it's Listen, I can't get a kid of scholarship
if he doesn't take care of Friday night. Now, if

(02:28:20):
he's hurt or shown potential. My point is, and you
know what I'm saying is that the second I guarantee
your freshman in high school that he's going to have
a scholarship, you find somebody else. The second I guarantee you,
we're going to maximize his ability and get him to
a point that he'll take care of the rest, maximize
his ability to give him every opportunity to keep playing
if he takes care of Fridays, all the work we

(02:28:40):
put in, that's on him, and it's on to get
him ready, and then on his coaching, coaching staff and
players all those things come into it, but the guarantee.
And when I get I tell I said, do your
due diligences. Listen, some recruiting services are really good, some
are awful. Some are just like in seven on seven leagues.
Some of those coaches don't care about your kid making repetitious.
They care about your kid and the four hundred and

(02:29:02):
ninety five dollars or twelve hundred dollars you got in.

Speaker 2 (02:29:04):
Then they got eight quarterbacks at one position.

Speaker 9 (02:29:06):
You wonder why your kid's not getting work, but you
spend five hundred and fifty bucks because seven on seven
with an elite team is supposed to be the best.
We don't play seven on seven on Sundays. So be
good at seven on seven and maybe you'll be better
at eleven on eleven. But you got to be judicious
and all that you do. There's some great scouting service,
there's some great coaches, there's some great teachers, all those things.
But when it comes to somebody guarant if it's an

(02:29:27):
individual that doesn't have a background looked up, then you
know what, don't do it. But when they're asking for
money and the first time the G word comes out
of their mouth, guarantee your kid gets a scholarship, then
I suggest you find another service to go to, or
another person, but be very aware because the money grabs
are out there and people are so deaf. My kid's
not getting any interest. Well, you got to draw interests.

(02:29:50):
I would hope that high school coaches are pushing their
kid if they think he's good at whatever level it is.
I'm not telling a kid, yeah, you can go start
at USC when you're a Division three player. Let's be
go play Division IIE for a year, Jude Juco and
do well, get your grades right and go play good football.
And maybe that is your dream Middle Country. But today
I'm misleading you because I'm a truth teller.

Speaker 2 (02:30:09):
Man.

Speaker 9 (02:30:10):
You can't come at me and be a You're a
Juco type GPA and I'm telling you you're going to
play ivy League football.

Speaker 2 (02:30:16):
Wrong.

Speaker 9 (02:30:17):
It's the same thing here. These were care If it
was all true, wouldn't we all hire a thousand dollars
service to get a one hundred thousand dollars scholarship?

Speaker 2 (02:30:25):
Yeah? Of course, there's no G word.

Speaker 9 (02:30:26):
There's no guarantee, especially now they're going after a transfer transfer.
A four star quarterback is going to get left out
from going to a power for school. So yeah, just
you know, train him hard. I ain't guarantee, and a
kid any I guarantee he'll get the most out of
our work. I'm sure as he'll not guarantee. When a
scouting service comes on, there's great ones. Just do your
due diligence before you hand them a check.

Speaker 8 (02:30:47):
Well, and in this case right here it was the
deception was they forked over six thousand dollars because he
said that the money was needed to be able to
book flights and hotels for an official visit. The official
visit never happened and he ended up losing his scholarship
at the FCS school.

Speaker 9 (02:31:04):
He used that, let me explain something to you. Because
the recruit that's going on an official visit doesn't have
to pay for his flight. The school does. That's your
first problem. The guy meant that, so I can take
my trips and go on my vacations and do my thing.
So had nothing to do to it. Because if they're
and I always say this, if it takes a recruiting service, now,

(02:31:24):
some are good a three star kids not getting noticed
down in the valley. Go down there and somebody sees
you know what we're missing out on cricket. Yes, they
serve their purpose at times. I just got news for you.
There's no service alive. Even if Nick Saban runs it
that if you don't play well on Friday nights and
you're not good and you're not putting the time in
and doing the lonely work and showing these guys' improvement,
you're not. I don't care if my brother is the

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head coach at that Southern col You're not going to
get recruited unless you put the time. And you got
to get a little lucky. And some guys are overlooked
because somebody didn't find them. They didn't have a bunch
of Division I players that they're playing against. There's a
lot of those. Trust me, I've trained him. I said,
this guy's, this guy's more productive and more potential. And

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then he goes to a school. Then all I have
one that's i'll leave his name out right now, but
he went went juco kicked ass.

Speaker 2 (02:32:12):
You go back one way.

Speaker 9 (02:32:13):
I'm telling you the guy can play, and he was
an underrecruited kid, but he was banged up a little bit,
but he can play. I don't know if that's Power
four next year or whatever, playing good football, and so
they're out there. But listen, you know, if you're not
you're not getting recruited if you don't take care of
your business as a player. The recruiting service is the bonus,
and it better be a good one. And if they
guarantee you a scholarship, then I would suggest that that

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guarantee is you already knew it because you're a five
stars a ninth grader. But other than that, you better
do do your due diligence or you'll get You'll get
had and taken and there's not gonna be a two
hundred thousand dollars scholarship waiting for you. Good ones are there,
but you've got to seek him out because it can
be a heavy money grab and ruin your kid to
the point where they turn down other stuff because they
think they were getting something else. Next thing, you know,

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if you've sent guys on vacation and they haven't done
a damn thing for you in your scholarship.

Speaker 2 (02:32:59):
Play good foot. Well that's the first part.

Speaker 8 (02:33:01):
Well, buddy of mine, Russy Mansell, who's covered recruiting for years,
also does camps. He was the one who tipped me
off to this story, and the post that he had
on Facebook was never, and I mean never pay anyone
that promises you quote offers. Been doing this a long time.
It's a problem all over the country.

Speaker 9 (02:33:20):
It is in every city, in every football town, and
every parent, for the most part, has the question you
hope that you've learned from somebody else's mistakes.

Speaker 2 (02:33:27):
He's one hundred percent correct. It's a regular thing.

Speaker 9 (02:33:30):
And when they promise or guarantee at the beginning, before
they've watched you do a thing other than seeing your
name on some social media recruiting service or senior play
one Friday night, that didn't mean a hill of beans.

Speaker 6 (02:33:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:33:43):
I would shy away from that. Go with the reputable.

Speaker 9 (02:33:46):
But if you got somebody who's trying to make it
the care, do your due diligence on them, just like
you would your own kid going to a college.

Speaker 2 (02:33:52):
Make sure you.

Speaker 9 (02:33:53):
Take recruiting trips to those people and say are they
good enough? Are they doing the right thing by my son?
And the second they guarantee it, I promise it, I
would move on. That's your answer, because they can't guarantee it.
I train kids every day. I can't guarantee that a
kid who's a good player is getting a scholarship because
guess what, I ain't making the decision. The guy who's
the head coach and the coordinator are making that decision.

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It's a hard lesson to learn. Hopefully you don't have
to ever learn it, all right to you, young players,
if you don't put the time in and you don't study,
they'll pass you up. And by the way, if you're
not putting your time in a couple of workouts in
the off season and you don't play well on Friday night,
and then you're wondering why you're not getting recruited by
the school you want to, you'll know. You'll know, because
there's no Whodini doesn't exist here. You don't play well,

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more than likely they look at somebody who does take
care of that business.

Speaker 2 (02:34:40):
First.

Speaker 8 (02:34:40):
Everybody's got to keep a reality yep, everybody's got to
keep a job, all right. When somebody asks you for
your top five list and you don't have a teammate
on it, well it's probably not a good look. We'll
let you know who and what all that was about
here on Sean Salisbury Show. The Sean Salisbury Show couldn't

(02:35:02):
eventful off season for the wrong reasons.

Speaker 9 (02:35:05):
Yeah, a little bit tumultuous as they call it. Sure, yeah, probably.

Speaker 2 (02:35:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:35:09):
So he was recently over snapchat doing kind of like
a you know, ask me anything, you know, the AMAS
question and answer.

Speaker 2 (02:35:18):
With you getting a questions on board. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 8 (02:35:22):
So he was asked his top five quarterbacks in no
particular order. In his top five quarterbacks were Lamar Jackson,
Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (02:35:33):
You notice somebody who's not on that list? Yeah, toua.

Speaker 8 (02:35:37):
So now it's got people wondering because I mean, if
I'm not mistaken at the end of the season, didn't
he infer he wants out of Miami, Like it's it's
almost like kind of one of those where it's the
self sabotage, but in this case, he's like, Hey, I'm
trying to get myself, you know, out of this job,
so I can, you know, try to find somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (02:35:55):
But he got a pretty good gig, man, He's in myami.

Speaker 9 (02:36:02):
This is one of those cases we ask athletes tell
us the truth, and when they tell us the truth,
we don't want to hear it, but this is one
you should lie.

Speaker 2 (02:36:09):
I don't encourage. You can get my point fudge a
little bit on this. If you ask Nico Collins, say,
top five quarterback, you.

Speaker 9 (02:36:14):
Have to throw Stroud in there, even if you didn't
believe you right, and it's almost now, I would preface this.
I would say this if I was him, just if
I was schooling tyreek Hill how to make sure you're
a good teammate, because even if he's not, by saying this,
all as you do is ov oken man. Now, it
may he probably thinks that two is not a top
five four and two isn't a top five quarterback, but.

Speaker 2 (02:36:37):
It's almost the obligatory.

Speaker 9 (02:36:39):
He's my guy, and most receivers get that and would
say I'm gonna put him at the top of the list.

Speaker 2 (02:36:44):
That's my dude, Right.

Speaker 9 (02:36:45):
You think Michael Irvin would have ever said Troy Aikman's
not a top five Do you think at any point
in time Kelsey's not gonna go off and Mahomes and
Troy Aikman might be at the time. But my point
is that that's just part and parcel to being a teammate. Now,
I would have phrased it if him Okay, I gotta
leave my guy out because you know, my guy's my guy.
Then you tell your guy you love him, and throw

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the other five in. You don't say oh by, or
if you're asking the question and you don't say, well,
you know, okay, exclude you. You make him answer the
question like that and allow him to say my guy
aside because my guy's my guy. Now the other five
then you go, Now you've covered both, and you're honest.
This is one you'd kind of like to fool them
and make sure your guys put in there, just so

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you were made a teammate.

Speaker 2 (02:37:28):
We wanted to be.

Speaker 9 (02:37:29):
True, but we don't want the truth when it comes
to you and your teammate. We want you to make
sure you got your guys packed. Because I'm quite sure
that TWOA would have named a couple of his guys
if he was talking about receivers. He'd want right even
if he didn't, that's the smart thing to do when
you're a teammate.

Speaker 2 (02:37:45):
I don't know, just a hunch.

Speaker 9 (02:37:47):
Yeah, It's like, I just don't get why we'd want
to why you'd want to disrupt that even if you
didn't think of let everybody else guess you don't need
to to your quarterback.

Speaker 8 (02:37:54):
Looks like I saw once there was a third basement
in baseball asked for the greatest all time third baseman,
and one of the ones in his organization was a
Hall of Famer Chipper Jones, and they he didn't name it.

Speaker 2 (02:38:05):
And people were like, well, wait a minute, you're on
organization here, man. Yeah, you're not gonna throw that guy
out there.

Speaker 9 (02:38:10):
Yeah for me, especially quarterback to Wes say, I get baseball,
but it's a teammate. Somebody asked me, who if you're
Kyle Tucker when you were here, if you're a guyanerdus,
who's your favorite second basement of all time or your
top five? You better name Altove. Yeah you just should. Yeah,
maybe maybe he is. You might, but name him. I
just don't get. Just be being a good teammate and

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just keeping the peace with that is an okay thing.
You can try to fool us sometimes because what goes
on in their locker room is more important than.

Speaker 2 (02:38:37):
What we think. For sure.

Speaker 8 (02:38:38):
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