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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Salisbury. Okay, let's do this Sewn Salisbury.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
To usc True's longtime friend Shawn Salisbury.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Dan Matthew, excuse, this is the Sean Salisbury show.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
One round ball, softly hit up the middle and it's
under the glove of the shortstop. Turner goes in the center,
paying your rounds third and stores Astro's lead one to nothing.
They won two and that is strike three call at
the knees. Marsh goes down looking. Gordon gets his third
strikeout and there are two away. They won two to
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Turner swaying and a mess struck Hi out on a
sweeper and a dirt picked up by Caratini, who tags
out Turner and the side is retired. Philly Stranda pairs.
Gordon gets a couple of big strikeouts. King brings the
hands together, the two two in a foul tip. Held
on to my cartin. He finally went away with a
fastball at ninety four. It was off the plate and
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Bom went for it. Big strikeout for King and they're
two outs in the inning. Another two bouncing ball, softly
hit left side, coming in Pine. He has it, guns
to first, got them Philadelphia Phillies load the bases with
one out and they get nothing one oer and that
is driven deep till I failed, and you can test
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that one good bye. One of the train tracks from
picking their Caratini and the Astros get some insurance.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
They're up two to nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
The kick in the two two Sosa lifted in the right,
Smith lopes in a few steps waiting for it, makes
the catch and fat is the ball game. Another day,
another shutout win for the Astros over the Phillies.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Houston victorious two to nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Saya ban the Phillies these first two games to guarantee
a series win. They'll look for the sweep tomorrow afternoon,
as the Astros now have a five and a half
game lead in the Ale West over the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Oh thank you Robert Ford for filling us in on
all the details, and with that we say away we
go in good morning here on the Sean Salisbury Show
on a Thursday. Sean, we've talked about it all throughout
the season, even at times complaining a little bit.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Although maybe I need.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
To start taking Dana Brown's tact of your conversation with
him yesterday where you asked him about any perceived frustrations
and he was like Sean in so many words. We
have thirteen guys on the IL and we're thirteen games
over five hundred and four and a half games up
in the Ale West. What is there to complain about?
What's there to be frustrated?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
He doesn't have many if he didn't really have any,
I mean the ones he can't control, but is an
everyday thing, the way they're playing and competing and overcoming.
He's uh, it seems pretty pleased with his and I don't
blame him. I've said it all week long. If Jordan
was healthy, mccullors was healthy, errag Getty was healthy, Javier
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was healthy, and Garcia was healthy, among others, and this
was their record, you'd take it. You would absolutely take it.
You'd say, first place with a with a healthy lead
and not playing your best all around baseball, but playing
well enough to get to this point. What would you
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be saying about pitching if they were here? What are
you going to say about pitching? Now? Tell me what
you're saying about pitching now? It's stellar, okay, So what
are you going to say if they were all here? Stellar?
It's hard to take an A plus. It's hard to
take an A and move it. It's hard to be
better than like last night. Four innings of scoreless relief
and facing one of the best right handers in all
of baseball now and he pitched well too, and you
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didn't get to him much. You just got You took
care of your business at the right time again, timely
hitting and then you know, loading up the bases for
Philadelphia and getting out of the inning without giving up
a run. I mean, you know Brian King given up
three hits but still finding a way to get out
of his inning. And then obviously twenty first save for
Hater last night and he looked at the bullpen, solid
start for Gordon. You know, you go in and initially
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you say because of you know, the years of experience
and who they are, overmatched. When I sat and say overwhelmed,
I just said a little bit overmatched because Wheeler is
one of the best. Well, get him back down, pitched
his ass off, did Gordon, And here they are. They
came up with the timely hits and did the right thing.
You d him up, turn double plays, you don't give
free passes, and guess what, you give yourself another chance
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to win. And now you're winning the series. Regardless. So
if people want to say, well, man, imagine if we
heard what would I mean? You wouldn't be thirty games
over five hundred. You'd be saying the same things you're saying,
maybe a little bit more hitting because Jordan's in the
middle of the lineup, consistent power that he was struggling
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and maybe the injury had something to do with that beforehand.
So you'd say, Okay, we improved on the hitting a bit,
but hey, how's the pitch bullpen phenomenal? How's the starting
pitching outstanding? So you just add those guys in and say, well,
how's the bullpen phenomenal, how's starting pitching outstanding. I'll take
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this record regardless. I'd take this record of tu Tucker
and Bregman were still on the team at this stage.
What a couple teams in the league, three or four
with better records and they're all bunched within what a
handful of games? I don't know, in the entire league,
in the entire Major League Baseball. So I mean, I
don't know how you can. And then we look at
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it and say, well you can. Of course, we're going
to break down it places to improve every day. Of course,
they're doing it. You win by two, you want to
way you didn't win by five. That's human nature and
pro sports, of course, But I don't know how in
this city. You may individually say, man, when's Walker gonna
get going again? But you know what, there's gonna come
a time if Christian Walker gets going pain, you'll go
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through a slump. You know, you know a four for
twenty it's gonna I mean, happens to every single Grip
unless you name's Tony Gwynn. It happens to you, right,
So they're gonna go through offset. But the pitching and
staying healthy. But you're not telling me anything more about
this team and their record and where they are and
how peaceful and happy you are anymore with those guys healthy,
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pitching staff, healthy than you are. Now they've drumped right.
In matter of fact, you're not even begging for garciaan
Javier to come back. I'm gonna say you don't want
them back, but you're not begging for them to come back.
You're not in a hurry for them to come back.
You don't need them to come back tomorrow because well depth,
because guys are doing their job. The hitting, you hope
improves and getting your do on back will will obviously
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help just his presence alone. But I don't we have
our little things that okay man, you know, with the
little blemishes that are gonna need fixed. But maybe you're
gonna win Twuto. I mean, who complains about getting a shutout?
None of us should. That means pitching one, well didn't.
But you're facing one of the ten best pitchers in
all of baseball, and I think I'm cheating him and
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Zach Wheeler. So you would be probably be playing around
the same baseball and you'd be fortunate if the guys
that were hurt were posting like some of these guys have.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
Not.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Sam Garcia and Javier haven't, but they've had great moments
and they've also had their struggle. So you'd be saying
the pitching staff is not just formidable, but been spectacular
this year starting in bullpen combine. They wouldn't get any different.
So I'm with him. You're gonna have plenty to worry
about if they go on a ten game losing streak
or one of those. So right now, in this situation,
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the Padres, the Dodgers, the Phillies, they'd all be loved
to be where they were. Where you are the Dodgers
are You get my point? But we know the Dodge,
but the Padres and you know the Mets in Phillies
Battle and in the American League East. I mean it's
you're in a position nobody's had to overcome more. The
Dodgers have an argument, but they also had more on
their roster. I just I you always want to get better,
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and you're always going to work to get better, but
there's no way. And anybody that's saying that they thought
this was a record, they were going to dominate the
play like this and pitch like this, they're lying, it's
a pat on the back because none of us. You
thought maybe good, but nobody thought this.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Had so many people on the phone lines tall us
that this is a five hundred or just around five
hundred teams struggle.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I've heard some say struggle to make the playoffs. Right,
I didn't have them winning the division. I had Seattle
or Texas Ranger winning the division and Robert Flores that's
exactly right. And I and said, do I think there's
going to be one of those years where we're just
kind of talking about the hitting consistency all year long
if they get good pitching. But you looked at both
other teams in this division at the top, the two
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other ones that we seeattle in Texas that we have
figured would go in and you looked at their pitching
staff so formidable both and I didn't have I said,
I'm battling for that PLAYFFS, but making as wild cover
but not getting to play, I mean, not win the division.
So please, there's one thing. But actually, and stunned isn't
the word, but damn, I mean it's a there's a
little bit of a damn moment, like wow, this is
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this is going on and the rest of the league
feel in the same way because they didn't think this
was happening. Nobody did, so maybe the players themselves did,
and maybe that's why it's happening. But like I said,
fully healthy or not, you will take the record they have.
If every single person that's hurt was on this roster
right now, you would not feel I mean you feel
better because it's a security blanket of health. You wouldn't
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feel you wouln't feel anybody better about the record because
you know what, the record wouldn't be much different.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
The damn part of it, I think is they're now
a season high fourteen games over five hundred. They're forty
seven and thirty three. Is that not only some of
us here, but also people around baseball looking at this
team and going, how the hell are you doing this?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
That's like, that's what I meant. I said. Everybody says
so national other teams, and then they'll all give you
the same answer. They don't usually get themselves beat and
they're pitching out of their minds. Hoy, they won in
twenty two exactly right. So, like I said, we say
all we want about oh man, look at all this
and the training. Why is this guy hurt?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Man?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
This guy's always hurt?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Man?
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Is it gonna get back healthy? Let's just say those
guys that are hurt pitched like they're capable of. You
know what, the record would be forty eight and thirty two,
forty nine and thirty one, forty seven and thirty three. Yeah,
that that that's where they'd be the Dodgers going into
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this season. If you said you're going to be twelve
to fifteen games over five hundred at the All Star
breaking their division, you know what data said? I mean,
they would have said, well, we're more talented, be better
than that. They would have been pleased. Yeah, what's their record?
They are right now, let me pull up the standings.
They are believe only like a game or two in
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front of the Astros. Point, so when you went into
the season, who was the most loaded roster on the planet.
So they're fifty and thirty one, So to your point,
who was the most load two and a half games
in front of the Asters? Most loaded roster on the planet.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Right.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Of course in depth where we said, hell, if they
get a couple of people hurt, they can go. Well,
they've got a bunch of pitchers injured as well, and
they've won fifty games and they're considered. There were some
that thought, can they challenge the Seattle Mariners at one
hundred and fifteen hundred and sixteen wins? Whatever that was?
Which was hard to do? That that was I've heard
it whispered. There was, well, there's lines over and unders
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were said it, okay, can you know you could make
up you could have made a bet on it. So
and that's dude, that's the Dodgers loaded, and you could
go who had a better overall roster? Just money, reputation, everything,
more veteran MVP who had a better roster going in
the Padres or the Astros of the Dodgers. Oh, the
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Dodgers by a distance, right, well, at least with the names. Yes,
that's what I'm talking about, the perception sure that everybody
thought they were loaded. I went to how many games
are they heading to win Calumn two and a half?
Speaker 6 (11:58):
And the team that you're going to see for the
the next three games over the weekend, the Chicago Cubs.
They along with the team that you beat the last
couple of nights, all three of you were tied for
the third best record in all of baseball, and most
of the teams in this league are pretty healthy. And
then the Astros are three games in the win column,
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a couple of three games in the win column behind
the Dodgers, and the Dodgers were supposed to win one
hundred and five to one hundred and ten games. Right,
So back to your original point about why Dana Brown
with me asked him what his biggest frustration is. He says,
I really don't have one. They've they've overixped. Now you
don't want to get comfortable with that, of course you
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of course you can go out and play tomorrow. I
mean today, at the end of the day, it's halfway
point you go out. Let's say they win today as
forty eight wins.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
If you were to go out and win, play the
same way in the second half, just the exact same
baseball that gets you forty eight and forty eight, and
in my math is ninety six.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
That is.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
That's the actual math too. That's ninety six wins would
have been eight to ten wins, better than ten to
twelve wins, better than people had them. Let's just say
you're five games under that pace. That's what I'm saying.
Ninety one win, that's my point, and you're still winning
the division easily. So talk about you know, everybody talks.
It's not how you start, how you finish. Bs last
week and a half, two weeks of the season won't matter.
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That's why the way you start is every bit as
important is the way you finish, because if you start
slow and get too far behind, it's too much ground
to make up and there's too much pressure you put
on your team labors to get you know, I'm talking
about well twelve and twenty four what they did, and
we're able to go win the division. That doesn't happen
very often last year, and I think it's pretty easy
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to see. You ran out of gas, so there's no doubt.
So now you flip it. If you just play, you
win forty three games in the second half of the season,
you still win the division. You're still getting ninety wins,
and you're the last part of the season. You may
be able to rest some people and skip a start
or what have you, because you were able to jump
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out front. So don't tell me in football or baseball
and think, oh, it's not how you started how you finish. No, No, No,
the first one hundred or the first eighty, or the
first forty or every bit as important as a last forty,
because if I'm thirty and ten in the first forty,
guess what, that gives me a little leeway to rest
the people later on. Sure, so this odd not how
you start. Lightheyfin No, if I get out in front
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of the four by one hundred, relay by twenty meters
of my lead dog because he's so fast and we
got the inside, you know, make up the stagger, and
then I get it to the fastest guy in the
world in four and he's got a twenty meter lead,
he can start going using both on their ass and
staring at people with about thirty forty meters to go.
Same thing here. An eight game lead with ten games
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to go is a lot more a lot more stress
free and rest needed then having to win on the
last day of the season because of a tiebreaker. Get
my point? Oh yeah, so yeah, it's been a I
don't know how you can't say that this has been
the best coaching job, managing job in baseball the way
he's done it and the way these other guys have responded.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Fired up in the dugout too. Saw that on TV
last night when they get out of that eighth inning.
You see Joe with a little fist.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Pump, some youthful enthusiasm kicking in too, even even looking
into the dugout, kind of giving a couple of claps
like all right, here we go. Yeah, he's add on here.
You think that I think that these guys don't feel
like they're sixteen years old winning a little league? Of course,
you damn right that it's okay to enjoy winning. H
It's okay, So good on them for sure. Now the
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astro is definitely enjoying it. Right now.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
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Speaker 5 (18:08):
Would you take knowing what the I'm just asking you.
First of all, he's not taking that. No, you hired bors.
You are not taking that, especially after you hired that.
And five that's twenty five million a year. I know
we're on a your postseason chops. I know, as Gordie
was talking about when he joined us on Tuesday of
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to sustain this for a full year. That's one year.
Let me see you do it again if you're the Astros,
because they don't have to really do anything for a
couple of years. In twenty eight is when it's when
it's up right, When you guys got what he got
to arbitration, twenty eight's when he'd be free. I'm just
telling you now. I'm sure the report is true and
or he can let us know, but five years for
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twenty five million a year. If I was advising him
as an agent, just me on on his side. If
I'm the astro side, I do, I'd sit there and say,
we're not gonna be misled into jumping out in front
paying him fifty million dollars or forty million dollars. Now,
we're not in no hurry for that. And if you're
going by their background and the way they've done it,
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their their their business model, Jordan, I know they they're
not gonna pay him. Oh you know, let's let's go
forty million for five right now. They're not gonna do
that right now. And I would not blame them for saying,
do this back to back seasons, during the regular season,
all year long. I get why they do it, and
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it's a risk both ways, risk by him, risk by
the team. The longer you wait, you say, is the
price tag bigger? And in some cases the price tag
doesn't get bigger. But if I was advising PAYNYA and
I was Scott Boris and he came to me and
said five years, one hundred and twenty five million, I'd say,
I'd smirk, and I'd say this is this is Jeremy
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Painey we're seeing now. I would not I would I
would that contract wouldn't even get a blink. I know
you're saying twenty five million from four. He ain't thinking
twenty five million a year, brother, and he ain't thinking five.
At his age, he's thinking, this is the time to capitalize.
I do this a year or two in a row
at a premium position. He's if he takes twenty five
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million a year for five years, if they redid that
as an extension, I would say that is a monster
on the serve of at least right now not knowing.
I don't think that's a huge risk for the astros.
A matter of fact, it'd be brilliant business. I think
it would be silly business if you if Painya, who
I think believes in himself, says this is who I
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am and it's only going to get better, he'd be
He'd be crazy to take twenty five million right now.
Crazy crazy too. He is twenty seven.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
So I mean that is something also to con say
is when he'd be finished, he'd be thirty two thirty.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Three, and he ain't getting an eight year contract at
thirty three five more though, fine, you tell me all right,
See I idly I come from the side of the
fence that says, bet on yourself the second you start
trust everybody else and bet on everybody else. Some are somewhere, somehow,
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some way along the line, somebody disappoints you. If I'm
Jeremy Pania and I got that skill set, I ain't
taking your twenty five and I normally you know the
I do. I think we we over like. I get
all that the overpaying sports. Will Sean think about the
normal pre I get that. We're not talking about the
normal person. We're talking about pro sports. So you got
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to compartmentalize. Well, Sean, think about the country.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I do.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
I came from a family that was paycheck to paycheck.
I get the blue collar I get it. But now
we're not in that league. You're dealing with a whole
bunch of It's just what kind of millionaire you want
to be. We're dealing with salaries that are did that
her crazy? I would advise him, if I was in
his camp not to take twenty five million a year.
It's probably the advice he's getting right now, twenty toy.
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Like you say he's twenty seven, he's twenty seven right now?
Twenty seven? Right now? Yeah no, And I'll tell you
why I if I'm him, I'm thinking, okay, held thirty
million a year for five or six years might be
a bargain for him three years from now. Getting him
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like that, you take the risk. With Kyle Tucker. Tucker's
having it. He bet on himself and they bet on
the fact that they couldn't pay him, and they knew,
even coming off an injury, that there's bigger money that
they weren't going to pay all the money. He keeps
doing this and is an MVP talk of the National
League or wherever he ends up this year, he's getting paid. Now.
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Parlay this a couple of years forward with a premium
position shortstop and he's going, well, he'll get what Korea did.
I don't know if it's going to continue. I'm just
talking about if I'm his agent, and I would assume
that Scott Boris is leading more towards the way I've
approached it. Didn't take it twenty five minute. That's just
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my opinion. If every you're gambling all the time, dude,
you're betting on yourself all the time, or you bet
or you're betting on the organization to believe in you,
or see to me, if he took it. Now he
might be saying, Okay, now I'm secure. I don't. I don't.
It's a good thing for the team. But I always
guys that do this at settle and that is settling
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in his case, because it would be. I sometimes wonder,
well do they believe they can't sustain this? Like Darell Reeves,
give me one year contract and I'll just keep going
on the place and getting paid with the new signing
bust And he kept doing it and kept getting paid.
So I do believe, Like I said, I'm just I'm
trying to see it from both sides. I think that
the Astros get him, even if he doesn't prove. If
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the if they he came back and accepted twenty five,
if the offer is on the table and they did it,
he did the team. This is an absolute It's not
a huge risk for the Astros. It's not the biggest
risk of it all. Isn't that what if pain he
comes back and it's two sixty next year? To me,
the bigger risk is on pain a side. If you
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take it and play like this for two more years,
you're leaving about fifteen million dollars a year on the
table and more than five years from somebody else. Look
around the league. I mean, I just a hell of
a talent. I get both sides. If I'm the Astros,
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I make him do it over. I won't give me it.
I won't munch. Right now, if I'm Scott Boris and
Jeremy Peney, I say, we're betting on you kid. Twenty
five million dollars ain't gonna be enough.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Same time though, I mean with Boris and Anthony and Roger,
we'll get you guys involved in the conversation here in
a second. But the same time, with Boris, it's not
like Alex Bregman broke the bank with the Boston deal.
I mean, what was it three years? Like what thirty
five per or whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
But he's also got the old exit strategy. He's got
options out. After year one, you're gonna leave, I think
at the end of this year. I mean he's missed
about a month and a half right now. I mean
we're talking about jord On, so probably not gonna happen
this year. Probably not. And the truth of the matter is,
if you're Bregman in truth, the way you play there
before he got banged up, the way you play there,
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and if this is the fastest star, it was the
fast start of his career. The way you play there,
I wouldn't want out. Boston's got money. Now we've seen
him let Bets and Devors go. But they got money.
The question is who they pay it to. Well, they
let Devers go, but remember they paid Devers three hundred
plus million, and Bregman is a far better defender, not
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quite the hitter. Now, Bregman was hitting like Devers normally does.
So yeah, but we can't compare Bregman to Payna. It'll
be different, the money will be different, just in two years.
So I get both sides, and you think, how can
somebody turn down twenty five million. My guess is he
hired Boris not to be tempted to take twenty five million.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Yeah, so it was three years forty per, three years,
one hundred and twenty sixty.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
If they would have been nice, he would have just
like three more years of it here. If you'd offered
him forty million year, thirty eight to forty million a
year here for five or six years, Oh, Alex Bregman
would be here, I think if you offered him thirty
per yeah, oh, definitely. That's why I'm saying, if you
offer him what you're talking about, if they would extend
it just to five years here forty for five, what
do you think he's worth it? But if they would have,
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Alex Bregman would not be in Boston. Yep, I just
I just can't fathom the pain. You could have taken
five years, twenty five million, one hundred and twenty five
million without hiring an agent, if that's their first offer,
If that is their first offer, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
I don't think you ever Toad, I don't know it's
boris ever taken anybody's first offer. Probably not. There you go.
If I'm Payna, I wouldn't. If I'm the Astros, I
would wait because you want to see him do it again.
And it's it's been seventy some games in seventy nine,
eighty games in now today's eighty one. Oh, I get
both sides.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
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Anthony, You've been waiting patiently. Good morning, how are you?
Speaker 10 (29:34):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Good morning guys.
Speaker 10 (29:36):
Hey, So, I think something Sean alluded to in the
first segment is why the Astros are looking at one
of the best records in baseball right now, and that
is that nobody is immune to going through slumps in baseball,
but elite pitching is sustainable. And the Astros have two
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of the best in baseball right now, now one of
the best bullpens in baseball right now. And if you
go up and down the list, the fact is that
the Astros are beating legitimate World Series contenders up and
down the list. They're winning records against the Tigers, the Padres,
the Blue Jays, the Mets, I mean, all of these teams,
(30:19):
and at some point you start to say, why not
this team, this team can legitimately go win a World Series,
especially if they continue pitching like this.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Hey, I appreciate the call, Anthony. I mean no argument here.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
I mean, we saw it in twenty twenty two, how
good that bullpen was. And by the way, yesterday was
the three year anniversary of the combined no hitter from
Christian Javier Hector Naris and Ryan Presley and the Bronx.
And then oh, by the way, they did it again
in Game four of the World Series too, So I mean,
you got really good pitching that year and look what happened,
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and you're getting really good pitching again right now. So yeah,
there's reason to believe in to Anthony's point, the Astros
are now twenty eight and twenty one against above five hundred.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Right, They're beating good teams. They're winning close games, they're
coming from behind and keeping leads, three things. If you
say that in any sport, that team is usually a
champion or pretty close. They really if you continue those
three things at the end of the year, we say,
what would they do, well, they're best in the league.
It come from behind wins, uh, one run, get one
run wins and what was the last one? We just said,
(31:22):
and uh, come, you said, come from behind one run
and beating good teams, beating good teams. Yea, you stay
that and you're the best at all three in the league,
they will be in position to put a ring on
their finger. And if we're having this conversation in September,
HOCTI last I checked in the postseason, you play really
good teams. That's exactly right. So it's nothing plus the
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psychological effect of beating good teams and winning close games.
You now then become the point where you expect to
win them. And I think last night and the night before,
I think they got two punch. Well yeah, we plan
on when they expect to, not hope, they expect to
win them in regardless of the the body, the Rappers
the same. It's the Astros and that's who they are.
So yeah, man, I uh, And it comes down to this.
(32:07):
When you interview anybody in baseball, from John Smoltz to
Dana Brown to Steve Sparks to it won't matter who
comes on this show, Rob Dibble, tell me the number
one thing you have to have to win a championship pitching.
They'll all say that it'll start there now. Then they
may jump in. Well, I gotta have a superstar, gotta,
(32:28):
I gotta, I gotta have great leadership culture. All all
that pitching is the pitching in nineteen forty and pitching
in twenty twenty five will be the top answer.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
I've said it numerous times that pitching is akin to
the football example of being really solid on the offensive
and defensive line. There's not a single coach even in
those scenarios that says, oh man, just got too many
guys to be able to plug in there.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
And it's not and the pitching and it's not just
being solid solid will get you there. Great defensive front
and an offensive line will put a ring on your finger.
Their pitching has been more than solid considering all the circumstances.
It's been great. So they continue to do this. We can,
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this will be It'll be groundhog Day in September when
we're having this conversation. If they're doing exactly what they're doing,
excuse me. You can ask me the same question September fifteenth,
and I will give you the same answer. Pitching beat
good teams, win run run games. They come from behind,
and they keep the lead, they'll win the championship. Ste
(33:39):
If Roger agrees with you. Roger, good morning, Good.
Speaker 11 (33:43):
Morning, Sean Dan Dan. Out of respect for Jimmie two times,
I'm only gonna say this once. Yeah, good pitching always
always puts you in a position to win a ballgame.
It's just as simple as that. And since we've been
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getting so much of it, well, guess what we've been
in position and move in execute, and and and and
getting timely hitting. And that's that's what you got. I mean,
I've never seen a journey like this out of a
team with the no name predominantly the no name, the
no name pitching, and and you got so so many
injuries and and and so many times. We've been always
(34:26):
plagued by this. It's always been our it's been a
demise at times. And you got a big yord On Aberat.
You've got guys coming back that are gonna you know,
you would have hoped that they're gonna do what they
normally do, what they're what they're with their careers say
that they do. And nobody's really being rushed back. That's
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what's crazy. Like there's nobody gripping over here. This is
you know, everybody's just like, okay, we've got time to wait.
We're doing okay. I just hope that when the guys
get lined up and get come and come back. You
know this is this is also good for a playoff
room when you when you're looking for a couple of
sticks or maybe one good stick. You got a surpluff
of pitching. You can you can, you can, you can
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juggle with. I don't know how they're gonna do it.
I don't know who they're gonna do, who they're gonna
get rid of. This is, man, this is so crazy.
I've never seen anything like this song, nothing like this.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
I agree it is. It's it's baffling in a good way,
and you just hope it continues in the truth that matters.
I've always been told, you know who your team is.
Sixty games in, we're eighty games in. Oh yeah, I know,
we're rating now. You can go through losing streaks, but
the basic who you are, the guys that manage a
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team or a general manager or a player. You you
kind of get an idea who you are, and a
great idea sixty games and the trends, all that, the metrics, everything.
If this is who they are, this will be one
of the more shocking seasons around. Why because with all
the changels you said, they can still do this and
actually improve. Yeah, it's it's fascinating, man, it really is.
(36:06):
It's a good it's a study and how to do things.
Somebody take a deep dive. It's pretty impressive. They're pulling
off the Latanza heist right now. That's what it is.
And appreciate appreciate it, Roger.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
Yeah, we're we're Henry Hill in the shower listening to
ten ten wins right now, and you know, hearing the
story of the Litanza heist being pulled off.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Jimmy, no way. So I have no earthly idea what
this comparison is. What is it? That's good? It's good fellas.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Oh okay, remember that when when he's listening to the
morning news and he finds out that they actually pulled
off the Liths.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I go, there you go? And was this a when
you saw? I thought, is this one of those cartoon
shows like he mentioned, Jimmy, there you go. I felt
like it fits that it did fit, you know, good
point by hopefully it hit with the audience right there,
you know, someways good Mafia references. Of course, I love it. Yeah, yeah,
especially around Christmas time. I don't know why I like
those movies around Christmas time, but anyway I do.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
I'm an odd bawl. What can I say? Alex see
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Someone three two one two five seven ninety head up
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Good morning, Marian, Jane.
Speaker 12 (37:39):
Tell y'all doing the day.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Very well, man, appreciate it now.
Speaker 12 (37:43):
I just want to get in real quick. Uh. With
the pitching, I will say for me personally, I haven't
been pleasantly surprised, especially with a few of these uh
newcomers and the way they've been pitching, like Gordon last night.
I think they said that last night was the first
time it is very gone. What was it five or
six innings of shut out baseball and just watching the
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way that the Astros can take these these pitchers and
mold them and develop them into just lights out players
in their positions. And my second thing I'll get out
of here is they play great, fundamental baseball against really
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good teams and find ways to win against them. But
through the course of the year. I don't know what
it is, but what scares me more than anything watching
these games is the teams that they.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
Shouldn't have a problem be.
Speaker 12 (38:42):
It's like they forget how to play basic baseball and
it all goes out the window for them. I think
that's one thing that bugs me more than anything about
the Astros seasons as a whole every single year.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
Appreciate it, guys, great shows always.
Speaker 12 (38:56):
We'll later.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
I appreciate the call, Alex.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
I mean, as I mentioned, teams above five hundred this year,
the Astros are twenty eight and twenty one, so that
means that nineteen of their other wins this year are
against teams that are below five hundred, So that means
that they are in those games at nineteen and twelve
against teams that are below five hundred, so still getting
it done.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
I'll take those games because in truth we said, he
makes a great point. As long as you keep paring
those I mean, keep birdying those par fives. You get
to the end, who do you play in the playoffs? Again,
teams that are about five hundred. There you go. So
just take care of your business like you are nineteen.
Keep doing those and staying seven or eight or nine
games over five hundred against teams you're supposed to hammer.
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Keep beating teams you that should at times beat you,
that are as good as you, and get to the
end and then gear up for the playoffs because you're
getting everybody's best and that should make you feel really
really good, really really good.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Well, and again, you know, I think it was a
little bit of an intersectional meet and they got t
bone last year by the Detroit Tigers, because the intersection
was you were incredibly banged up and tired towards the end,
and they were incredibly hot. Whereas you almost wonder how
that series could have gone if say the Astros had
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a week and a half two weeks to be able
to rest jord On and rest Kyle Tucker and get
these guys at least as close to one hundred percent
as possible. Would that series have gone any different? I
don't know it's coming gone in its past, but still
that is something that in past years they've been able
to do where you get into the postseason in the
last couple of weeks of the regular season, you were
able to get those guys healthy for it. And obviously
(40:35):
it worked out because well, it's ALCS or it's a
World Series at the end of the year for you.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Yeah. And when you said they, would you say they
had a not a what was the phrase, you not
a tea bag? Would you say it was a t bone? Yeah?
T bone? Yeah. Right when you said it, I was like,
that's the worst car accident. I got t boned in
twenty twenty in Arizona. Side guy went about fifty five
to a stop Sis, very nice valley and t boned. Sweet. Yeah,
(41:04):
got there. I still have an ankle that needs FEWS
because of it, but I haven't got it fixed yet.
But felt bad for him. He was a little older.
Is it your is it your pivot ankle or is
it your front ankle. I'm a right hander, so it's
like it's my rollover ankle, which isn't good. Every time
I play golf, I come back, it's a little I
need to go in. But I don't want to be
in that boot for you got to be in one
with one of those knee kick things. You got to
push and walk. I'm not ready to do that, especially
(41:25):
over the sumcooters. Yeah, I'll get my it gets my
way of my golf. So I'm dealing with the pain.
But that te bone, because I thought you said, well,
you know they got tea baged. I was like, wow, interesting, Yeah,
t Bone. I mean there's been teams that they've probably
been you know, the first less tea bag. Yeah, probably
you're allowed to say it. Dan, it's it's not a
good place to be. No, it isn't. And you know
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what it could be simply just lipton. Now I'm not
saying anything. I mean, you you can take it how
you want.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
Well, I mean, and that's the thing is, you know,
some people will tell you that drinking unsweet tea shows
you that you are anything but being a Southerner. Right,
we're not really in the sad all right, let's be honest.
But you get my point. Yeah, the sweet tea guy.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
I was going to say it. I mean you're to
throw the tea bag in, Okay, you gotta make the
tea somehow. That's exactly right. So that's all I was saying.
But you were talking T bone, did I get it?
I like your point how you were teed is valid now,
and we could deliver a couple of those come playoff times.
I wouldn't mind eating bones and tea bags to the
opposing I was going to say, eat the t bones
(42:27):
and deliver the tea bags. There you go, well why not,
there you go, and the Texas tea bags? Usually what bigger?
I guess, yeah, yeah, I guess right. I was going
to say, you had Texas to it. Then Usually it's got.
It's implying that we're just and that that's we're asking
the Astros, Rockets and and Texans to do. There you go,
put it on them, man. But it's a good Rockets
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gave you a good start to twenty twenty five, and
uh Astros are playing far better baseball than we would
have imagined. And it's obviously, you know, we can saying, well,
maybe that's just who they are the last eight or
nine years. Like you know what, it's not it's no
longer a maybe this is how they do their thing.
And then the Texans, we know how excited we are
about that season about to start.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Well, I mean there's something to be said about learning
lessons from, you know, rougher parts of a season, and
the Astros and Texans both went through that last year.
Who knows Texans will be able to learn from some
of those mistakes last year and kind of be in
the mold of what the Astros are right now.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
And I always like, well, it's not a moral victory,
and that's not where you want to stop. But here's
what we're look at. Hey, they learned lessons and they
both won their division last year, so you know what
I'm saying, They learned lessons and they both won their
division by not by having some flaws, right and while
there's flaws this year, whatever they're doing in those games,
close games and pitching is sure covering up any flaw
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they have at the plate. Right now. It's impressive. It's
fun to watch, indeed it is.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
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How about them Stros shutting out the Phillies in the
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Alexander from KPRC two, he's going to join us. Say
he had that report on Jeremy Pania that the Astros
were in discussion on a five year, one hundred and
five million dollar contract extension with Pania. And then of
course we get the news a couple of days ago
Sean that he has signed with Scott Boris. So of
(47:09):
course it was the gnashing of the teeth, the clutching
of the pearls, all of the different things. But there
is something though that is to you know, to follow
on this, and that Is already did have a follow
up to his initial report where he did say yes
it was the contract extension offered or at least discussed,
(47:29):
and that Painia. This is the first part of the
reasons to be optimistic, willing to listen on extensions and
get them done. And Ari even points out in parentheses
that the Astros have done so with two players that
are Boris clients, But typically the mo for Boris with
his clients is to let it all ride, go to
(47:50):
free agency, and then all thirty teams get a chance
to deal with you. The second part of it, as
I mentioned, was the two players that are that are
Boris got that you were able to get deals done.
Jose L Twova five years, one hundred and twenty five million,
Now I get that a little bit later on in
his career. For him, it was about I don't want
to go anywhere else. I want to be able to
(48:10):
finish here, all of those different things, and he maybe
could have gotten a little bit more if indeed he
had gone the free agent route and signed with somebody
else who knows. Lance McCullers junior, another guy five years,
eighty five million, that you were able to get him
back here on a contract extension. It really comes down
to Jim Crane in all of this, because from what
I understand with McCullers especially, that was Jim Crane saying, no,
(48:34):
we're keeping that guy here, like, I've got to still
have that guy.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
In this building.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
If Jeremy Peniam has that anointance, if he has been
anointed as one of the guys that Jim Crane wants
to be able to keep around, then Jeremy Pane is
still going to be here.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Yeah, if he has the Verlander effect, you know, we
build a relationship. I know it was different. They played
golf and stuff together regard as how the relationship is.
If if mister Crane signs off on it, then you're
good to go. Now, what if Altuve would have come
back and said, I wanted what's he making a year?
Speaker 8 (49:05):
About?
Speaker 6 (49:05):
What al twove in the twenties? Al tuove, what's he
making a year with that five year? One hundred and
twenty five? Twenty five years?
Speaker 5 (49:14):
Oh it's five for one to twenty five right, Well,
the same thing that they offered Pina at twenty five million,
let's say, uh four million, more per year. Right, Let's
say al two Ve, Let's say al tuo Ve wants
would have said, I need to get to thirty or
I gotta go with Jim Crane said, okay, I think
so so is the price depending on who it is.
(49:38):
If he's settled in, he's gonna he's going to give
you a better deal. If so, you think that if
if al to is thirty for five, did Jim Crane
would have said yes, I think he would have.
Speaker 6 (49:48):
But I mean I also just think for al two
V was twofold. I think number one, he didn't want
to go anywhere else. So the first that's the first.
Maybe you could say that a little bit of the
negotiating leverage was taken away from Scott Boris.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
But the other part is is it his age where
he was?
Speaker 6 (50:03):
I mean taking this now and we're even kind of
seeing a little bit of a decline offensively out of
al Tuov. What when in the last night's game two
sixty six.
Speaker 5 (50:11):
Let's say somebody, let's say he wanted thirty, and he
was thirty. He's at the tail end of his career.
He wants one more big good deal. Now that's a
good deal, but he wanted thirty for five. What's that
a buck fifty? So would they have given it to him?
Speaker 8 (50:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (50:26):
Okay, So if he has the same feelings for al
tuve that he has, they did the same feelings for
painting that has for Altuve. If you're painy and your boris,
don't you know that, well we could Boris knows they
probably could have got more for Altuve. So aren't you
if you're I'm just talking about from Paineyside, aren't you
saying I'm younger? I know I'm not that guy in
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the franchise. But al Tuovea's goal wasn't to be the
highest paid player. He wanted to be here for life.
And he's earned a lot of money and he's been great.
But if you're Jeremy Pania, that one big one, and
this may be that one if it continues, I would
imagine that the twenty five dol two A. Now, if
you said thirty for five right now in an extension,
I think he would consider that. That's why when it's twenty,
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if twenty five or twenty two right around in there
is the first offer. How many people take the first offer?
The L two v's of the world and Ramirez is
the world who take less to stay where they want
to in Cleveland or Altuve here, Jose Ramirez took a
lot less. Jose Ramirez probably over the course of contract,
could have made eighty million to one hundred million more
somewhere else and stayed in Cleveland. Al two B and
him have the same feel love it, love their teammates
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love being there. But we're living in a different world.
And even if Pain is cut, different wants to be
an astro for life. Five million dollars a year for
five years. That's a lot of money. So regardless of
Whendy win's enough enough well, with athletes and entertainers, never never,
it's never enough because you only have a fine of
that time to be able to cap exactly that's exactly,
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that's exactly right. So I just and you hope it.
I hope it's the approach of the Altuvidus. You just
know he's coming back. But if pain, it keeps going.
And he hired Bores. He didn't hire bors to soft
sell a thing. He knows what they're into. He knows
what you're getting into. He knows who is representative is,
and he knows the sledgehammer's coming with it.
Speaker 7 (52:16):
Now.
Speaker 5 (52:16):
You may tell him I want to be here's the goal,
here's what I want to be, and here's what I want.
Go get it. If they don't get to it, I
don't think he'll sign that. And I don't think twenty
five million right now would be enough for Scott Boris
to look at him and say, yeah, take this at
twenty seven years old.
Speaker 6 (52:30):
I think that it's also too from the Boris side,
there's no rush, don't do this is the same with
the Astros too, But at least the fact that you're
having conversations and there's the willingness to have it because
correct me if I'm wrong here with Correa, wouldn't it
If it gets to the season and we don't have
anything done, then we're not talking about it, right So
I mean you at least have that runway to work
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with right now.
Speaker 5 (52:52):
What if yeah, and if you're not in a hurry
for either one, what if the end of the season
comes in pain is hits three twenty five, has twenty
two home runs, scores one hundred runs, plays gold glove defense,
the rest of it, does what he's doing now and
finishes this Seaton excuse me? This season? Is he worth
more than or now? Well, I mean i'd probably say
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at that point, you're north of twenty five per is
at least the starting point. And if he doesn't take
if the offer sits right now and he doesn't take it,
aren't you honestly? I mean, he's betting on himself again,
and I get it. So right now as we're going,
is any betting on himself every single day if he
doesn't sign it now? Is any betting that he's gonna
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finish this season? He goes back to him in October
and says, well, if you're the Astros, don't you realize
now who's at fall? And where's the bigger risk? Not
paying him or letting him walk? They've had success letting
guys walk. Now he's not walking for a couple more years.
I get that, But I just just from the look
and the overall feel I get, I don't feel like
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twenty five million is going to be enough, even though
the guy's making four million bucks this year, because Scott
Morris is going to make sure he understands the big picture.
And you and I both know it, and I don't
blame him. I listen the shelf life for a CEO
or for a company person who works twenty twenty five years,
that's long. That's a long time. The shelf life for
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great baseball is in truth. Now, I'm not talking about
the careers that Gwynn and guys that play twenty two
years Nolan Ryan, the majority of them. Think about guys
that have been head star power and two years later
you're like, how's he hitting two twenty two? You know
what I'm saying, How's he hit two twenty five? Right?
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And just two years ago he finished third in the
MVP voting. It can go fast. So and if you're
just looking at how this business is, you got to
capitalize because I assure you you rarely play your best
baseball at thirty five as opposed to twenty eight. Rarely
because you're normally things are just that you've been through,
so you're banged. It's rare that that guy's playing thirty
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nine better than he was at thirty. The Brady's of
the world are not normal, and neither are the Al
two bays. But at some point in time Al two
b' is probably gonna hit two forty in his career,
you know, but probably you know, thanks slow dev Maybe
maybe not, Maybe he'll just walk out and hit two
eighty and three hundred no matter what. But in Paine's case,
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he right now he's righting high on the hog Man.
It's it's a life's good for him ft brother father
time yep, undefeated.
Speaker 6 (55:30):
Well we can continue this conversation if you want someone
three two one two five seven ninety. Once again that
someone three two one two five seven ninety.
Speaker 5 (55:38):
But coming up.
Speaker 6 (55:39):
If you have high expectations for guys like this and
you're disappointed, well then that's on you. I'll explain here.
It is a Sean Salisbury show, Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
This is this Sean Salisbury Show. Yes, yes, that's very nice.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Now with that fresh leather scent. First on Sports Talk
seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
All right, Sean, what are you hearing out there now?
Speaker 3 (56:09):
The Salsbury's takeout sALS brief takeout on.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
The Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 6 (56:28):
It is a Sean Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven nineties.
Strows two nothing winners over the Phillies last night at
Dyke and Park.
Speaker 5 (56:35):
They're going for the sweep today.
Speaker 6 (56:36):
Fred van Vliet back to the Rockets on a two year,
fifty million dollar contract extension.
Speaker 5 (56:41):
And I told you he was common sound right, let
me back that up a little bit. I told you
he was coming back. He was gonna he was gonna stay. Yeah,
he was gonna stay.
Speaker 6 (56:49):
Yeah, and for half the money that you would have
paid him if you picked up his team option. And
no surprise in the NBA draft Cooper flag number one
two and you know, Dallas mavericks that contract. He just
signed the extension. That's what that's the value. I mean,
that's what he and it's a good one.
Speaker 5 (57:04):
But that's a guy who gets it and a team
who understands the value, and they've agreed to it. It
didn't take long and he wants to be here, and
that's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (57:10):
Well, I mean it's also where I mean I mentioned
at the time you were spending at a point of desperation.
You're not at desperation anymore. It's hey, do you want
to be a part of this? Oh yeah, I want
to be a part of this?
Speaker 8 (57:20):
All right?
Speaker 5 (57:21):
Well then here you go two years twenty five per
how about that? Yeah? That sounds good to me.
Speaker 6 (57:25):
So that's how it all works out for Fred van
Vliet and the Rockets.
Speaker 5 (57:30):
All right.
Speaker 6 (57:30):
So I didn't know that ac DC is currently on tour.
I guess they're over in Europe. And somebody posted a
video of one of their performances and Sean, let me
just say that fans are not necessarily impressed with ac DC,
who has been performing now for over fifty years at
this point. And it was a video of them singing
(57:54):
Highway to Hell, and one fan commented on the video,
I really wanted to see them this year. Now, I
don't thank you for this. Another one, this is so painful.
Speaker 5 (58:03):
They don't sound good in pro they don't sound good
the acoustics getting to that. This is so painful. They
just need to stop.
Speaker 6 (58:10):
And in one video it shows Angus Young of course,
I mean, you know him dressed like the schoolboy up
there at the guitar, doing the kicks across the stage
while he's playing, you know, all of those different things.
People saying yeah, absolutely, and still is, and people saying
he's the guitarist equivalent of Mick Jagger, because Jagger is
still at his shows, has the energy, he's you know,
(58:31):
doing all the running around everything. I'm sure bono for
you too, because you know he's got that huge circular stage.
So of course when streets have no names, start playing,
he starts running around the stage I five and people
doing all of that.
Speaker 5 (58:44):
You know, you've got.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
To you have a certain mindsets of how you want
to remember these guys. And that's where again the expectations,
and if you're disappointed, it's on you. Because I went
and saw Motley Crue a couple of years ago, and
even before us them had people telling me, oh man,
it's not the same. You know, Vince, he can't hit
the notes anymore, all of these different things, and I
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was like, of course he can't hit the notes anymore,
because you're thinking of him when he was like twenty
two years old, so yes, of course he could back then.
Speaker 5 (59:15):
Oh man, Mick Mars, Mick Marris was like sixty back then,
what do you think he is now? He's a grandpa
up there on stage. The fact that they're performing and entertaining,
it's more of the sentimental value that the sentimental part
of I'm going back to see ACDC. Right, you know
that they're not, but I can say that about there's
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very few who at seventy show up at a concert,
not studio, not putting laying down tracks and studio at
a concert and you say, sound like I remember him
forty years ago. Of course, voice again a little different.
They may not be able to hit certain high notes,
all those things. They could still hit the guitar. What
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did you expect? Do you think you're going to be?
I mean now, some like when I listened to Elton John,
Elton John sounds the same now is for Joel rare
though that that's rare so and especially heavy metal hardcore
rock bands, you're gonna They're just part of It's the
entertainment value for me. I kind of know what now.
(01:00:21):
Listen when I sit in person in one of those
cozy atmospheres and all of a sudden, Barry Manilo is
sitting on stage, I expect them, you know, crooning and
singing love songs, okay, But when you're out there and
you're you know, banging on a guitar and you're going
crazy and fireworks are blowing and all you know all that,
of course you're not gonna sound the same. And there
are certain parts of your voice they just aren't gonna
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get It's the same. The opposite is when you're young,
people say you hit puberty yet, and we hit puberty.
Didn't sound the same at thirty as you did at sixteen.
So yes, you go in knowing, and my expectations are
I'm just here with my These are the people I
grew up with singing, Beth. I hear you calling when
I was dancing at my high school day really, and
so yeah, I'm sure some they sounded like their old ways.
(01:01:05):
And I'm sure certain songs you know, would you say
it was Highway to Hell, Highway to Hell? Yeah, yeah,
I'm sure parts of it sounded good in other parts
so well, it didn't quite sound when they were thirty.
But that's okay, So going in, you gotta limit those.
I ask anybody in the stands, are you as good
or doing the same when you were singing your karaoke?
Were you better at thirty or better at eighty five? Okay?
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I just to me, we are ridiculous in our expectations
of all these stars, players, athletes, that we expect them
to just be oh at twenty we want, we want
Aaron Rodgers to be who he was at twenty four. Sorry,
it ain't happening.
Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
Have you ever noticed that, you know, speaking of like
those eighties heavy metal bands like Motley Crue, like like Guns,
n' roses.
Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
White Snake. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:01:49):
Have you ever noticed that rock stars at a certain
point start to look like postman apausal women? Oh yeah,
like Vince, Like Vince Neil came out on stage and
he's wearing this like long shit, I don't even know
like what to and I.
Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
Was just like, what the hell is this? If you stuck,
if you can throw a little yes, you could.
Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Say Axel Rose, it's at Axel's best looking days are
behind Axl Rose. I hate to tell you, there's no
question and you start to say, man, they're morphing into this. Okay, yeah,
but you know what it's it doesn't matter. It's I'm
going to ac DC. I pretty much know what I'm
getting and I'm just there. If there's a sentimental that's
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part of my childhood growing up. There'll always be legends,
even if they don't sound the same. I'm there and
enjoying the with with you know, friends and getting after it.
It's kind of like my generation that was when boy
bands were really starting to fire up. You know, you
had all the bands out of Orlando, Backstreet Boys and
sync O Town, whoever it is, and the choreography was
(01:02:51):
a huge part of it. That's like going to see
them in Vegas Backstreet. Let's just say, ah, you know
their choreography is not as good. Yeah, because again, they're
not in their early twenties any more. Now, they're in
their mid to late forties, maybe even touching fifty at
this point.
Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
Yeah, they're not going to move like they did. Sorry,
Michael j you're not gonna hit the same notes, Michael Jacksorry,
moonwalk won't be the same if he was alive at
eighty five as it was when he was twenty five.
It might not get He might he might not pull
it off the same speed and urgency, but the effort.
Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
Hey, Elvis can't do the hip things that he used
to do because he'll break his hip if he does it.
Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Right, if you were still with us, right, but you
know what, Oh well that doesn't it doesn't matter to me.
It really. Adele's voice isn't going to be Adele's voice
when she's seventy. There'll be hits of it in certain story.
By the way, just dealing with her Laker agent, that's
a right, right, And that's her guy.
Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
Who, if I'm not mistaken, I think he's Fred's agent.
Rich paul I think he's Van Fleet's agent.
Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Oh nice, nice, I think so. So yeah, he might
be right, but you know, doing her thing. But listen,
it's just all of it. It's not the ACDC thing.
It's all about us and our expectations when we go
into an ac DC concert.
Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
There's the parts in whatever the I'm trying to remember
what the sequel.
Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Sometimes they sounded awful and I mean domading on acoustics
when you were going to concert at thirty some of
them missed.
Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
You just didn't know what you're listening to. That's exactly right, Yeah,
that's exactly right. Well, I'm trying to remember, and somebody
can hit me up on Twitter with the scene what
the sequel was to Knocked Up where Paul Rudd and
Leslie Mann and I can't remember the classic rock act
that he was trying to revive, and they were putting
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out like a DVD set with it too, And one
of the guys in the footage goes, you can't show
the footage from the seventies and then fast forward to
now it'll freak people out, because again his point was
people remember them as that and then you're coming to
him now and all the guys are old, gray and
you know, elderly and everything else, the sort that you're
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just like, oh yeah, hey I've gotten older and so
have they. Like that's it's it's all part of it.
Like some of the rock acts, you go, you know,
I go see now, I mean I remember. I'm like
when you know, we were in the late nineties or
early two thousands and we're all young then, and then
you see them now and they're up on stage and
you got gray hair, and you're just like, God.
Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Yeah, but you know, I don't do that. We stand
the test of time, though. It is still pretty cool.
Speaker 8 (01:05:23):
I know.
Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Sometimes it's like an actor, it's been an a list
or a list or a list, and then you start
seeing them in kind of backup rolls. It hurts, but
used to, you know what, try to get the best
of them. And why would I blame them for wanting
to continue what they've known for sixty years led Zeppelin.
I would love them to tour and use Jason Bonham
john Son to be the drummer, right, it'd be awesome.
(01:05:45):
But do you actually think they sound the same.
Speaker 11 (01:05:48):
No?
Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
I guess what, They're going to make a comeback and
we're all flying to Wembley Stadium to watch them in London,
and you know it would be a great venue because
of who it is and a brit band. Right, do
you actually think they sound the same? Probably not. Jimmy
Paige still with us, Oh yeah, okay, yeah. The only
one of the four of the originally is that that's
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not is Bonham. He passed away earthright is Notwithstanding I
think that Jimmy can probably still Page and John Paul Jones,
I mean they I mean you're talking about four rock
and ru I mean not just a band, but four guys.
If they were out, if you said who's the best
drummer in the world, Bonham is going to be in it,
Who's best keyboards? John Paul Jones going to be in it?
Jimmy Pace, They're all going to be in the top
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five or ten at their position as musicians. Right and
overall they're one of the best bands, in my opinion,
the best rock band ever. I love them and i'd go,
but I know going in that I may not get
him at their best. They may be able to pick
that guitar and hit the drums the same. I get it.
If Bonham was alive and his kid can play but
you're not. You've got to go in knowing this ain't
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nineteen seventy five Stairway to Heaven. It's gonna be a
little different. Somebody may actually be able to do them
better than they do themselves at this stage, and that's
a comple admit to them, because who doesn't want to
emulate led Zeppelin. So it's just all the perspective you
go in with it.
Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
It's the perceptionist side right now of Britney Spears. But
Britney Spears gets up on stage and you're like, oh,
she's not like I remembered, of course, because she's not
a teeny bopper anymore.
Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
I mean doing Pepsi commercials with her g string hanging out,
showing out of her out of her jeans or whatever. Yeah,
it's changed a little bit, and she probably doesn't sound
the same. She's lived a complicated life, she sure has that.
There's a part of me that I'm sure some of
it was self inflicted. But how can you not feel
sorry for somebody when you got to fight your own parents.
That's not a good thing.
Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
Well, I mean we saw it with Elvis Presley too,
the Colonel, everybody else unbelieva. Everybody needs a Priscilla, because
that's the thing is Priscilla finally came along with the
colonel and said, here's your money, go blow it in Vegas,
and he did, and he faded off to oblivion.
Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
You just yeah, there comes a point in time when
when when you battle in life and then battle in
family too. That's hard to do.
Speaker 6 (01:07:56):
But you also have a lot of Colonel Truthers out
there too. That's say that he looked doubt for Elvis,
and it's like, sure, there's a little bit of both.
Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
I absolutely there's the truth usually lies in the middle somewhere.
Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
Dan, Yeah, it usually does usually, But yeah, not a
very good gambler was the colonel, and that's eventually what
got him. But anyway, let's get into a little bit
of rockets because the Fred van Vliet News I am
pretty sure it's signaling one thing, and I think rocket
fans are gonna like it. We'll talk about it here.
It is Sean Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.
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The seven o'clock hour, seven ninety listener line is presented
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Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
We'll talk with Ari at nine thirty.
Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Someone three two one two five seven ninety is the
number two get in and Sean yesterday we see the
news about Fred van Vlietz. And you know, as I'd mentioned,
even before they had declined the team option, he was
set to make forty four point nine million a season.
I would say that twenty five per is significantly less
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than that goes even further, Evan Sadiri, who is an
NBA contributor for Forbes, reporting that the Rockets are soon
going to waive Jock Landelle to create eight million dollars
in additional cap flexibility. And there was even another report
out there from Sham Sharania mentioning that Kevin Durant may
(01:11:12):
be willing to take a pay cut in Houston as
he has a chance for a two year, one hundred
and twenty million dollar contract extension for the Rockets, but
may take the cut for some additional pieces to be
brought in to help the organization win a championship. All
of that spells out to me, Sean, they're going to
make a run at Yannis.
Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
Why would you at least Annie up, at least Anny up.
You may have to fold because it just states too much.
What you don't want to do is be left with
three dudes on your roster, and I'd be a hyperbolic.
You get my point, ladies and gentlemen, starting lineup Jannis, Kevin,
Durant and Can't VanVleet and Cam Whitmore's coming off the bench.
(01:12:01):
We're only starting three because we gave away everything. We
had no assets left to get him. That's the point
of diminishing returns, where you're you're you're robbing Peter to
pay Paul. The problem is you're taking three steps back,
take two steps forward, and then two steps back. Take
one step forward and then four steps forward to take
two steps back. You don't want to diminish and completely
dismantle your team for one cat, but if you don't
(01:12:28):
have to, you at least got to find out what
it's going to take. You saw what it took for Durant.
It's going to take more for Giannis. I would imagine.
Now the question is how much more and what are
you willing to part with to get him? This would
be considered one of the great off seasons of all
time if you were able to get Durant and Nis
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and then it validated and then it parlayed into a
championship and you're starting let's just say it's Giannis a
men Thompson, van Vliet Kevin Durant. Let's say you had
to part with shn Goon and part with Jabari Smith
(01:13:09):
a couple of draft picks, and let's say your fifth starter,
I don't give me it. I don't care. Who did
cam Wittmore is in a line? I don't care. But
whoever your fifth one is, is it worth it? Your
shamee Guon's gone, Jabari Smith gone. You get Giannis Amn Thompson,
Kevin Durant. Hell. I can put Durant at the two
if I need to correct. As matter of fact, I would.
I would think at this stage that's kind of where
(01:13:31):
I wanted Fred van Vliet. And then you pick of
the guys that are still creating value, whoever you want
in that lineup at the you know, at the three
or wherever is it worth it? Yes, it is absolutely okay.
Then then you got only not only do you got
to kick the tires when they you know, they sit
around and say, hey, minimum buying. Get in the game.
(01:13:56):
And if you're not, you can't win power Ball without
playing the numbers. You got to.
Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
You got to get in because at this stage, I still,
even at his advanced stage, have one of the still
best scores.
Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
In the game.
Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
And I've got one of the best, not one of
the best, probably the current best all round player.
Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
In the NBA. Yeah, I mean Jokicic is in the category,
but you're talking about guy runs the court and does
oh well, he's in that photo. Then the team pick.
There's no doubt. I yeah, man. And remember he's also
been first Team All Defense. I think was he Defensive
Player of the Year? I know his first team All Defense.
I think the year he won the MVP, he might
have been first Team All Defense or it was a
(01:14:32):
year after. But yes, you're getting a guy in the
prime of his career. You're getting a Kevin Durant who
can still score. We'll put it this way. That's fifty
five points. That's forty eight or fifty to fifty five
points every night.
Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
NBA Defensive Player of the Year the same year he
won the MVP in twenty twenty, I think there's all
I know, four time All Defensive First Team.
Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
Right, So a Jordan did it? Not many have won
both in the same year, and Giannis is one of them.
So with that, you're getting Dan. Think about this that right,
there is fifty fifty five points a night isn't it
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maybe not fill it, fill it in, fill it in
the rest of the way, minimum of fifty So fifty
two to fifty three. Let's say Joannis what twenty seven,
twenty eight, twenty nine a night, Kevin Rant twenty five,
twenty six, twenty seven at night, fifty three to fifty
five points a night, right there, falling out of bed.
Pretty good. You want more scoring, you want more shooting.
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You get in that two man game with those two
ain't bad. Plus you don't have to play. You know,
Giannis is gonna sit down and play with his back
to the basket. He's pretty good at pulling you out
and attacking the rim and stuff too. So yeah, I
do it. You have to. You have to since it's
not done, and there's I mean, people talk about the knicks.
You have to throw your You have to absolutely annie
up on this and and at least get in the
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game with the buy in. You just have to.
Speaker 6 (01:15:59):
It's it's That's what I've said from the beginning, even
after they got eliminated by the Warriors. Is at least
be willing to listen and clearly where fell Stone is
because I mean a lot of people took his words
in the postseason press conference of I would bet on continuity.
He didn't say we were going to be continuity driven.
He just said I would bet on it. And he
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still left himself that open door of, oh, but if
we got an opportunity, we're adding, you.
Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Got to play. I mean you got at least play
the off season game, right, I mean, you never know
what's going to happen, and if you don't play it,
then you're automatically out. And I would imagine Giannis is
probably also saying that intrigues me as well. That situation there. Now,
Milwaukee's going to make that decision based on what if
I'm Milwaukee, I'm holding out for the best deal. I'm
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not doing anybody any favors. But this is Giannis prime
of his career, still has MVP basketball in him. He
obviously strengthens the defensive end as well. When he's committed
to it, which I imagine he would be. You have
to buy in man.
Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
Plus, I've been told on good authority that he is
a huge fan of a certain Greek place here in town,
and the wife went to Rice.
Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
It's built, an honest, the store is open. Why the
hell wants to live in Milwaukee, send a private plane
when because this is a trade not free agent, they're
still there, but they're owned by somebody else at that point.
But I wonder if Milwaukee we're trading man, go ahead
and take that private flight. It's not tampering. Go to
take that private flight to Houston. Get on that visit.
We're trading you to one of these places, and we're allowed.
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You know, if the team says, go seek a trade,
go do what you have at it. But uh, he
could go a lot of worse places. You know, we
automatically think, well, it's going to be the Knicks, it's
going to be the Lakers, it's gonna be it's gonna
be someone who's needs one extra body, right, Well, this
are the Celtics going to jump into this with. Well,
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if you're the Celtics and you jump to guess what,
you're gonna have to give up people like Jalen Brown
and you don't want to do that. So if it
enhanced your team, and Giannis would be an enhancement considering,
you just got to make sure you don't completely that
you're not playing with three cats because you had to
give everybody up to get him. That's a lot of
assets on the way out, but you're the way in.
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You're going after one thing in mind, and it ain't
in twenty thirty. It's to win a championship in the
next two years to compete for it. That's why in
the next matter of fact, they probably have aspirations like
Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City right now thinks they're going to
win again next year, and the Rockets are not far
because the way they're building it is extremely similar. And
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they showed already you can play against those guys and
you can beat them twice when you when you did
coming out of high coming out of college, his one
year was again Zaga right Coulgrin when he when he
left Minnesota go to Chicago right high school, Holmgren came out.
We said, explosive, a great talent like the Portzinga could
could run the court and do it all. But look
what we're talking about him now, shot blocking on the
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defensive end. So you add another way. I mean, so
those guys, you're getting something else out of them. So
they're building it the right way in Oklahoma City and
they got a championship ring. I think that the Rockets
are headed in that direction. Cowboy Darrel. See you want
to get in on this, We'll let you do that.
Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
Also continue the Rockets conversation. Giannis is the possibility we'll
discuss here, Sewn Salisbury show.
Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
Let the celebration start more.
Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Sean Salisbury on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
Morning Cowboy Daryl Wells up.
Speaker 14 (01:19:27):
Man, I have mentioned, Man, I'm a lone time cayle
periodically that sometime.
Speaker 8 (01:19:32):
I work out of the area. But I want to
welcome into the show. Man.
Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
Appreciate it. Man, good to hear from you.
Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
Yeah, Sean, how you doing? Man? I want to uh. Man,
It's just gonna be hard for Santa.
Speaker 14 (01:19:44):
It's hard for me to think that san Antonio is
just gonna give up and Giannis, Man, I mean I
think they I think they're really gonna go after him.
Speaker 8 (01:19:53):
I like to see it, see him here in Houston.
Speaker 14 (01:19:55):
Man, I just find it hard to see that san
Antonio is not gonna go out out if by chance
we don't get in. What about people like Jimmy.
Speaker 8 (01:20:07):
Butler, or maybe.
Speaker 14 (01:20:12):
I think Butler is somebody that a brandom ingram supplement.
What we got to have a plan be because I
can see some moves being made, you know, to where
they are.
Speaker 8 (01:20:25):
Trying to bring somebody in. I'm just gonna hang up
on this.
Speaker 14 (01:20:29):
And I mean because you know, guys like Malik Malik
is out there, Jimmy Butler, McKiel, Bridges, brandom Ingram, you know, Malik.
Speaker 8 (01:20:37):
Monks, you know.
Speaker 14 (01:20:38):
I mean, I'm just throwing some names out there that
that that that could be a possible beat, possible be plan.
Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
But anyway, hey Darryl, real quick, real quick. We got
to go and we only got ten seconds. But do
you not think, as they said, what if they had
to go to the season just like that are right now?
Are they not a championship team or they still want
to move away?
Speaker 8 (01:20:57):
I think they'll contender.
Speaker 14 (01:20:58):
I think if they stayed away there now, I think
Kevin Durant is gonna have to.
Speaker 8 (01:21:02):
Play a bigger role than what we in chance, you know,
than what's designed. I think she's gonna have to play
a much bigger role.
Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
Man, sounds good.
Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
Appreciate you, brother, Great to hear from you, Thanks, Daryl,
good to hear from you. I mean, and that's I
think another reason why you would make another move is
Kevin Durant, on its surface and himself, is an offensive upgrade.
I gave you the numbers yesterday, But I mean you
also want to take into account that he's going to
miss games, you know that, because that's the way he's
(01:21:32):
been during his career. And also, I mean you don't
want to put everything on him at this stage of
his career. So I think if you're able to go
out there and get somebody else that can kind of
be a little bit of a two headed monster there,
then you like your chances of being able to do that.
And we'll see if indeed that's what Rafelstone and the
Rockets decide to do. Let's get back into the astros conversation,
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because this guy is the most underrated astro in twenty
twenty five. I don't even think close. We'll talk about
him right here. It is Sean Salisbury Show, Sports Talk
seven ninety.
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Afternoon, matt nae for you to see if the Astros
can pull that off. KPRC two's Ari Alexander reporting the
Astros we're in discussions with Jeremy Paine on a five year,
one hundred and five million dollar contract extension. Does report
that still discussions in play, and.
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We're gonna about to say was fluid fluid still ongoing,
So uh Ari Alexander gonna join us nine thirty from
KPRC two and Fred Van Vliet back with the Rockets
on a two year, fifty million dollar contract extension.
Speaker 6 (01:23:17):
Seven one three, two one two five seven to ninety.
Getting back into the Astros conversation, Sean, as I'm watching
the game last night, we see the string of lefties
that the Astros throw out there from the sixth inning
on Steven Okert, which hard to argue. At the inning
he had one out, strikeout, two outs, same deal number three.
Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
Do I even need to say it again? That's how
his sixth inning goes.
Speaker 6 (01:23:38):
Then you get the seventh from Bennett Sussa scoreless, still
good there. Then you get the eighth out of Brian
King and then of course the ninth out of Josh Hater.
Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
You're able to lock it up to nothing win.
Speaker 6 (01:23:48):
The most underrated player for this twenty twenty five team
has a one to fifty seven e r A twenty
three games, and he's want to know he's also got
a couple of saves to his ledger. Yep, he's one
of those four lefties. Benetsusa has been an absolute godsend
for this bullpen and for this team this year. And
I don't think anybody despite what we got in twenty
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three in September, when he wasn't on the roster at
the time that he needed to be on the roster
for in order to be able to participate in the
twenty twenty three postseason. But still you have him right now,
and he's a guy that's ramping up and giving you
a chance to believe that this team can accomplish some
things in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
We got to think about what you're saying. First of all,
he wasn't on your Bengo card to be this guy
this year, correct, not even close. Thank you. Secondly, high
praise by you, and rightfully so, and validated by him.
I want you to think about this. Could I say
that about five other guys? You could? I mean, I
(01:24:49):
know I'm with you, but but I'm adding to it
why it's impressive and there's no argument here.
Speaker 6 (01:24:55):
Brian King, Stephen Oker too, there's three. I feel like
this guy has been.
Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
Now do starting. Now do the starting pitching. Colton Gordon,
there's four. Now do Jake Myers, Jake Myers. There's five.
See my point? Those career step ups underrated? Uh sneaky value. Hell,
it's not even sneaky. They're right in your face taking
care of their business. So while you got him at
the top of the list, I could have Ari can
(01:25:22):
come on here, Gordy can come on here, I can
come on here, Triple E can throwing. We can all
pick a different cat and be validated. If I take
Jake Myers over you, if I see you Ben at
SUSA and I raise you Jake Myers, can you argue it?
It's it's arguable, it's not a rise, and it's also
(01:25:45):
opposed to you know, different roles you're being asked. But
just we talked about underrated in this thing and what
they're doing. Dude, A three hundred hitter from a two
twenty guy. I can make the argument you mentioned Oker
couldn't make the argument King's been He gives up three
hits and then what that's the worst he does and
(01:26:06):
he still gets his business taken care of with that
giving up runs. So we can go Hell, it's impressive,
and your choice of Susa is extremely valid. Hell, I
can also throw in and he wouldn't win it. But
in truth, how in the world can't you throw in
the third baseman the way that he's played this year?
(01:26:28):
Peretis has been outstanding and leads a team in home runs.
Speaker 6 (01:26:33):
You knew that average wise not going to be great,
but still ops wise fantastic out of Peretis eight twenty
seven and he's playing a really good third base defensively.
Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
So the point is, and you are extremely right because
I know you've been on Seus's jock in a good
way for a while. Now you know what I'm saying,
and right rightfully so, and I'm with you. You can
line him up, that's the great thing. Pick him out
of a crowd, you know, and they say in the
light up pick the most underrated. You know that that
gal like when you're watch it like blue Bloods. And
(01:27:06):
she's eighty five and saw him on the street and
she can't quite figure out, well, I don't know the
number five? Step forward right, And she's like, well, I'm
not sure kind of number three. My name's Carl right right,
And all of a sudden, and all of a sudden
you got Donnie Wahlberg, who's pissed, right, Oh gosh, okay,
thank you, And then she goes out because he's always
(01:27:27):
mad on the show. You know, Dottie's constantly mad on
the show, Sergeant Reagan or whatever. And so it's the
same here. Okay, oh, Kurt step forward?
Speaker 8 (01:27:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (01:27:39):
Him?
Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
No, what about SUSA? So it really is one of those.
And in truth, those guys the underrated I don't want
to say underappreciated, because we sure as hell appreciate him
here in Houston. But the guys you said, hey, man,
give me five guys that aren't gonna make a huge
impact this year, And I'll damn well tell you probably
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could have named something. Well, yeah, we'll see. Jake Myers,
no way, did you have this. If you did, put
you on yourself on a light detector, because you're lying
your ass off. So validating you and SUSA, but also
I can put four more in the category that we'll
get a vote, which is crazy. There ain't no unanimous choice,
and that's a good thing considering the way that the
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they've been hurt and banged up this year.
Speaker 6 (01:28:25):
I raised your Blue Bloods for a CSI Miami. Horatio Caine, Oh,
pulling off the glasses that's because you killed her Ray.
Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
Yeah, yes, it's the dramatic. The dramatic part. The glasses
come off while he looks at the war. If he's outside,
he puts them back back back on. Right. The sunglasses
are the key for for Horatio h as we like
to call him, the hurricane is not going to be
the only thing storming Miami. And it kicks into the cut. Right,
(01:29:00):
that's exactly that's it. That that that's the way it is.
And he'll get rexlln as as his bad cop. Yeah,
and I love him too, dude. The big dude is
because you're going to prison. He's always angry too. Have
you ever noticed? Oh yeah, dude, he's always he's always mad.
But I love the fact his character's perfect. Well was
(01:29:21):
on that show, So yeah, you're you're exactly right. You
could raise and I'll see you and raise you n C.
I s Mark Harmony, so we I mean you could
I mean Jeth throw Gibbons and I can actually roll
myself right back to Commissioner Frank Reagan. Somebody gives you
the brooding constant family love, but that'll be all yeah, somebody, Well,
(01:29:42):
I mean, you know, you've got Tom Selleck there to
kind of rein him in, and I mean and and
Gibbs is there to reign in Denoso, because Denoso, for
all of his great qualities, is kind of a pan.
He's a knuckle. He needs babysat. Yeah, little mature on
the show just at Ohio State. That's exa havitable was
ZeVA comes in and they got there, you know, good
(01:30:02):
for him, but damn. But yeah, when you think about it,
big fantasy. Oh yeah, as a matter of fact, her
and Tony, Yeah, coming out with a new show. I
think I saw that. Yeah, yeah, it'spent off. So I
she stole alive, Yes she is, she is, apparently. I
you got to you got to keep an eye smart too,
very smart. That's exactly maybe the only one smarter than
(01:30:23):
Mark Harmon probably in there. And but I the brooding
part of it. But yeah, man, there you go, step up.
I liked you raise me to H, but there you
take the step back. Frank Reagan and Mark Harmon ain't
that bad. H was dominant though. The sunglasses were the key.
Those the sunglasses were the key. He did it, but
he did. That's exactly what happens. That hurricane we're expecting
(01:30:45):
will be nothing like the hurricane you're about to see.
And then yeah, the open of the show.
Speaker 6 (01:30:53):
Then him at the end of the credits right there,
walking away, walking away from the exploding car.
Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, don't don't. Hey, let's not short
change Gary Sonise is right, could bring it and the
dude out of New York in Vegas too. Yeah, what's
the lead guys there? Name in real life? You know,
I can't the longest lasting one because that was the original, right,
So there you go. Good group of brewders. Yeah, definitely. Uh.
Speaker 6 (01:31:20):
CBS had that market cornered with the n c I
S and CSI. Then they keep pumping them out and
on for forty years, you know, Seal Team. Oh yeah,
all of those good stuff man, and the ones I
still want to I can still you know, hear jim Nance,
you know, during an NFL game.
Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
I mean, of course, when Letterman was still going.
Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
This week on Dave, oh yeah, that was always his
This this week on Dave and like you said earlier,
were talking about Pat Summer all off the air sixty
minutes except on the West coast.
Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
And then Angela Lansberry murder. She wrote, She wrote, dude,
I've told you I interviewed him, which was there are
certain interviews that come on in the course of your
career that you get and you like, cherish it, you
don't want it to end, but you're a little nervous, yeah,
and how far? And you're it's Pat Summer. I don't
want to take too much of his time, right And
it's a voice of the NFL. And I don't know
(01:32:10):
how can I dabble in joking and laughing or do
I got to keep it, you know, just be yourself.
That's all I have. And that's what I was when
I interviewed him, and Keith Jackson a similar feeling voice
of the NFL with Madden and Great and the most
understated great play by play man of all time, the
rosebul the sen Gabriel Mountains. He dropped back Aikman dropped
(01:32:30):
back hit Irv and he'd say it'd be downing distance
first and ten Aikman back to pass complete to Michael
Irvin for fifteen yards layout, give it to Madden and
here goes Madden. Get it right by going Craig, get
it right back to him the second down into the
hand to him at Smith Boom boom, Madden right. And
so I had Pat Summer all on, and I'm going
through it, and I said, I gotta do it because
(01:32:52):
I'm that guy. The worst I could say is no.
But I'd be more different if I didn't ask. Right,
if somebody comes on and has a like, does a
great voice, and you can't get Frank calli Endo on
without asking him to do a voice print. And Pat Summer,
who widely know you knew it when he was the
eighth and people probably forget that he was the eighteenth
tower guy for golf pre Jim Nantz. And I had
(01:33:14):
him on and I said, Pat, you have to After
a while, I said do you mind? I said, well,
you do you mind? I said, do you mind? Giving
us a We're at Augusta at a golf tournament. The
tournament's winding down, they're walking up the eighteenth Fairway, and
you got a promo sixty minutes and what follows sixty
minutes and dude on cue and he didn't know I
was going to ask him this, and I'm such an idiot,
(01:33:36):
but he said, you know, said, he goes, he goes, uh,
coming up next on the West coast, sixty minutes, followed
by he goes sixty minutes, except on the West coast
because you know it's earlier, he said. And it'll be
followed by Angela Lansbury in Murder, she wrote. And there's
a long hesitation, she wrote, and then you listen like
Joe Bucket, those guys imitation. It's like people started to
(01:33:58):
give ten second preg pauses for that. But the way
he said it with that voice, I dropped the mic.
I said, thanks, Pat, interviews done. It's all I needed
to hear that there's nowhere else we can go. That's
exactly right. So that's a walk off. Dropped the mic
and let's go. That's right.
Speaker 6 (01:34:12):
Real quick story the Madden Miller like commercials him running
through the wall. My brother used to tease me a lot,
obviously being the older brother, but he he told me
that John Madden was going to run through the wall.
And so every time I saw that and there was
a home video of me of the commercial was on TV,
and I freaked out and ran out of the room crying,
Oh you did.
Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
I was like five six years old. I didn't know
any better.
Speaker 6 (01:34:33):
Tough lessons learned earlier, maybe even younger than that, but still,
you know, thinking that like the kool Aid man, I mean,
I could absolutely have that of you know Madden.
Speaker 5 (01:34:43):
Hey, guys, you know what's Miller time right now? I
wish they'd bring those Miller like commercials back. Oh they
need to, Yeah, some legendary ones.
Speaker 6 (01:34:50):
They kind of dabbled a little bit trying with JJ
wattson to Duke Wilson by G Miller.
Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Yeah, they've they've they've tragendary. Yeah, hell, you know, would
have been nice. You know, the Bob Ukers of the
world and stuff. You know what I'm saying, must be
in the front row, right, Those were the best commercials
of all time.
Speaker 6 (01:35:07):
That was one of my favorite meetups of all time,
meeting that guy.
Speaker 5 (01:35:10):
Phenomenal.
Speaker 6 (01:35:10):
Oh dude, I mean all I did was ask for
a picture, but like still, it was a He's the
every man's man, mister ucker, can I have a picture?
And I told myself, don't call him Harry Doyle. Do
not call him Harry Doyle. He'd laughed his ass up.
Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
Probably, Oh yeah, just a kid just outside. Very nice
meeting you, a young man, the guy you want to
have a beer with, and every door you go in
just it didn't matter that a locker in the Brewers
clubhouse was one of the guys.
Speaker 6 (01:35:35):
Major respect. Yeah, no doubt very much, Steve. See you
right there. Get you involved in the Astros conversation. You
want to join up, you can do so. Seven one
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Like Montross and Heights, they got a bunch of those.
As soon as you walk in, it's right there on
the left. Yep, there it is raspberry, I know it.
Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
Yep, yep, there he was.
Speaker 6 (01:38:50):
Or as soon as you walk in, it's either that
one or it could be the you're kind of surprised.
Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
She was right Princes Rasberry beret like Menawa talk guy
was right there you go, There you go, and you
lived up there too during his heyday too.
Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
Sorry, I gotta believe that it was kind of like
Bunbee is here, that it was all up there. It was,
Oh Prince, Yeah, he's one of ours. Yeah, his name
pulls a ton of weight. Yeah, I mean it's his town.
So even after all, I'll tell you who else is town?
It was when I was there was Kirby Puckett, Oh
you want to talk, put it this way, and the
closest too.
Speaker 5 (01:39:27):
I can compare to him with the way nice guys
people love them time for fans, great talent. You know.
The three that remind me of that. I was saying,
Sean who the first three that come to your mind?
And there's a lot of great people that did. Are
Hall of famers that didn't act like it that people
(01:39:48):
loved that. Two of them passed away way too soon.
They impacted And I've been fortunate to be in all
three cities when they were at their best. And that's
why I say these three guys because I know the
feeling al Tuve here. I don't know how is anybody
more beloved in their town than he is here now.
Kirby Puckett Minnesota, dude was a shorter version. Let me
(01:40:10):
tell you something, dude, one of the best human beings
of all. People loved Puck And I was there when
the Jack Morrison they were winning World Sais, which was
really cool. Tomorrow Night right and Tony Gwyn Yeah, everybody
loved him. Two of them, if unfortunately passed away way
too early. Sure impactful serve their community. The only thing
(01:40:32):
Tony didn't get to do that the other two did
was win a world championship. It was in one right, right,
he was in yea, his career was winding down. The
Astros are on the wrong end of that one, right.
So those three guys, But yeah, I was in Minnesota
with that Sterling Hitchcock. Yeah yeah, how's that for a name?
Speaker 8 (01:40:54):
Right?
Speaker 5 (01:40:55):
How are you getting beaten by a guy named Sterling Hitchcock? Right?
So when you talk about beloved, you know, we talk
about who's the most beloved here. There's a lot of
beloved athletes in Minnesota, some of the on the Allen
pages of the world, some of the current plan. But
the beloved that goes beyond the field and all that
greatness is just like the guy that you just like,
(01:41:16):
feel like you got it when you see him, you
want to get him a hug. That was Pucket, That's Altuve.
Tony Gwyn is giving as any dude I've ever been around,
and treated me like gold in my family. I loved
him and I miss him. But all three very similar
in their approach to everything and just precise in dynamic performance.
That's why it's.
Speaker 6 (01:41:36):
Crazy because his son Chris does the Padres radio, and
one of my things I'm driving around and especially late
at nights, is to listen to like, you know, Dodgers Padres,
whoever it is on the West, you know, because I've
got the package bill listening to those games and you
hear him talk and you're just like Tony, he's still
with us.
Speaker 5 (01:41:54):
Sounds exactly like his dad. It's crazy, it's it's it's nuts,
but beloved, just like Alto Bay, just like Pucket. But
you're right, Prince, while the athletes did, it was still
if he walked into a game, if you took all
the celebrities of Minnesota were big at that time and
Prince walked. You know who's getting the most attention, Oh yeah, him.
But he was just one of the dudes. So it
was a good time to be in Minnesota. Quick story here.
(01:42:15):
So somebody I ran into randomly at a bar once.
They were talking about they started a new job, and
it was one of those introduced yourself to the group
kind of an icebreaker, tell us something interesting about you.
And one of the new people was from Minnesota and
her icebreaker was I went to Junior High with Prince,
and yes, he actually was really good at basketball because
there was The Chappelle Show and he loves hoops. Would
(01:42:36):
you guys loved Should I say, would you guys like
to play some basketball? And he would go to games
and loved it.
Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
Afterwards he served us pancakes, right, she'd liked some grapes.
Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
There you go, ititches, there you go. So he's and
he's still hell maybe even in his death, may still
be the most beloved guy celebrities in that town. And
speaking of people who left us, Charlie Murphy challenge him,
you you will not win. So yeah, that wasn't hyperbole
when it comes to him. So good.
Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
Yeah, man, absolutely. Anyway, still talking to the astros, you
want to get in on that. You know how it
goes around here. It's fair game. We've already talked a
little bit of rockets too. Don't forget Chris Gordy gonna
join us to start off at the final hour of
the show, and same for Ari Alexander in the bottom
of the fourth hour. All of that still ahead right
(01:43:25):
here it does is Shawn Salisbury Show Sports Talk seven ninety.
The seven ninety listener line in the eight o'clock hour
is presented by one eight hundred car.
Speaker 5 (01:43:34):
Cash, Steve, You've been patient. Welcome on in. How you doing?
Speaker 8 (01:43:38):
Good morning, guys, can you hear me?
Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Okay, very well, how are you?
Speaker 8 (01:43:42):
I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 15 (01:43:43):
You know one guy you guys left off you talk
about the Miller like commercials, was Rodney Dangerfield.
Speaker 8 (01:43:48):
Of course, Oh my god, that guy was hilarious.
Speaker 15 (01:43:51):
But you know, I wanted to talk about the Astros.
And if you guys have already went over this, I
do apologize. I just got it into the vehicle. But
you know, if you'd have told at the halfway point
that the Astros would be in first place by five
and a half games with this, with this pitching staff,
with Alvarez not playing, uh, with Petas Uh coming in,
(01:44:14):
and to be honest with you, I don't think we've
missed a beat at third base.
Speaker 8 (01:44:19):
With his with his bat, with his glove.
Speaker 15 (01:44:23):
And if if the season ended today, I would have
to say that Joe was spotted would have to be
a top candidate for for Manager of the of the Year.
Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 8 (01:44:33):
It's it's amazing. I mean my thing was even coming into.
Speaker 15 (01:44:39):
This Philly series, I thought, okay, well, you know it's
going to end here and I'll be I'll be darn man.
I mean, good pitching will be a good batting team,
I guess every just about every time.
Speaker 8 (01:44:51):
The other thing.
Speaker 15 (01:44:52):
About this team is it seems like in the past
we've always played down to the competition, the A's, the
teams that were below us, and we've always lost to him.
Seem like this team just has a way a knack
of pulling them out. They always seem to do it
after about the fifth ending or after the you know,
the the starting pitchers out. But I'm I'm amazed. Now
(01:45:14):
we're getting into the you know, the heart of the season,
you know, July and August. But if they keep this up,
I would be amazed. So I'll hang up and listen.
Good here hearing you guys again. Been in the hospital
for a while.
Speaker 5 (01:45:26):
But oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 8 (01:45:29):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 15 (01:45:29):
Man, it's good to listen to you guys again and
hearing hearing all the all the jokes and.
Speaker 8 (01:45:33):
The voices again.
Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
So y'all have blessed.
Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
Thanks Steve, Steve, I'm sorry, hope everything's okay. Yeah, absolutely no,
sorry to hear that. And uh, you know, Steve, You're
always welcome here, man, and good to hear you're on
the other side of it. But uh, I mean, you
know he's he's right, Sean. You know, we've talked about it.
Speaker 6 (01:45:50):
I mean it's pretty much been a theme for about
the last week and a half of you know, the
Astros being able to reel off wins like they have,
winning series at the very least. I mean, I'm trying
to remember, what's the last series they lost. It was
the split in Oakland. But aside from that's I don't
even know. Have they even lost a series this month.
Speaker 5 (01:46:10):
I'm trying to think. I don't think they have. They
had a split, as you said, right right within the
four gamer. I don't think they have. I don't think
they've I don't think they've lost a series this month.
I think they've won everyone.
Speaker 6 (01:46:21):
So two out of split, two out of three in Pittsburgh,
two out of three in Cleveland, and then yeah, I mean,
because that's when the stretch started with the White Sox twins,
and then yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
The only one was a four game split, right, So.
Speaker 6 (01:46:32):
I mean, you've got to go back to May was
the last time they did, and yeah, it was the
Tampa Bay Rays. Was the last one, because then they
took three out of four from the Mariners and then
two out of our two straight from the A's and
then they split with the Rays. That's what brought him
into the month of June. So I mean that just
(01:46:53):
shows you how good of baseball you're playing. And as
I mentioned earlier, you're sixteen and six in the month
of June two.
Speaker 5 (01:46:59):
So that's getting it done.
Speaker 6 (01:47:01):
That's that's being able to piece this thing together as
best as possible. Look, you know, and it's I had
a call last night on the Tenth Inning Show talking
about and you know, there's there's a little bit of
luck involved. And I said, damn right, there's luck involved.
If the Astros are able to pull this thing off
in the LCS and the World Series and we've got
another parade downtown, we're gonna be talking about all the
(01:47:21):
great things. And then, of course you're gonna have people
and I'm not saying this person was saying this as
a detractor, but you always have those people.
Speaker 5 (01:47:28):
Oh well, but look at how lucky they got you.
Damn right, they got lucky.
Speaker 6 (01:47:31):
There's a reason why teams don't win these things back
to back hardly, if ever, and that's even the teams
that have the most in their sports. It's a handful
of these things. It ain't a bunch of them. You
can give me the Yankees all you want, my God
like miss me with pre World War Two, with all
the all the world championships the Yankees won, they played
(01:47:52):
like ten teams.
Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
Oh when's the last time they won one? Two thousand
and nine, it's twenty five. I wanted what's happened in
your life from two thousand nine to twenty twenty plenty? Yeah? Okay,
So while it's a historic franchise, doesn't mean a hill
of beans day can close it out. But there's a
lot of teams that have got close. Now, the Yankees
obviously all respect, but I don't have to the Babe
(01:48:16):
Ruth doesn't play anymore. Neither is Lou Garritt or Joe DiMaggio.
So Mickey Mannle and Derek Tet aren't on the team.
So they're good a lot of respect, but the Astros
do not have to take a back seat to any
of them, and especially that team. Well, I mean switch
sports too. Let's good to the NFL.
Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
I mean two of the benchmarket organizations in the NFL,
or the Steelers in the forty nine Ers. Forty nine
Ers mid nineties was the last one they won. They've
been to a couple since, right, but still I mean
mid nineties. And then the Pittsburgh Steelers the last one
they had won was eight.
Speaker 5 (01:48:46):
Yeah, then let's see they went. They've been to Kyle Shanahan,
there's been Garoppolo and Purty been there. The team that
lost to Baltimore Ravens was there and pre that had
to be Steve Young beating the Chargers, wasn't It wasn't
their last Super Bowl wins, Dan Humphries, Yeah, one, that
their last win. Yeah. Yeah, So it's been a hell
of a it's been a hell of a run. And
(01:49:07):
the Steelers, who Tom's never had a losing record, but
they haven't won a Super Bowl since Ben was there.
So the Lakers in the NBA, well, aside from twenty twenty,
it's been a while. Well, the Dodgers before they took
care of their business in a short season, I mean
last year at nineteen eighty eight was the last one
when Gibson hit the ball in the right field seats.
Speaker 6 (01:49:29):
And by the way, with the Lakers, if you want
to know how that championship has thought of Alex Caruso
the other night, if I'm not mistaken, even said now,
it's nice to have a real championship.
Speaker 5 (01:49:40):
Listen, they deserve it because it was under the rules
and they want it under that umbrella. But I don't
know many players did say, now you know you won
the ring twenty years scenario, we won this ring. Maybe
it won't matter that it was an abbreviated season, But
in truth, most players feel like that, did you want
to do it the full season against all the competition,
(01:50:00):
when everybody's right and everybody's healthy, and the stadiums are
filled and Caruso's got two of them, And I would
imagine this one's a tad bit more important because it
was over the course of a full season.
Speaker 8 (01:50:08):
Right.
Speaker 6 (01:50:09):
Rumor says that somebody wants to apologize to you, Sean,
so going to give them that opportunity to be able
to do.
Speaker 5 (01:50:15):
That apologize for what? Oh, I don't know, I'm gonna.
Speaker 6 (01:50:18):
That's the rumor in the in the payoff is coming up.
And then something that we had talked about yesterday but
didn't have a chance to get to. I want to
be able to get to it right here, because speaking
of strays, somebody threw one out there. Who oh you'll
you'll find out again right here. It is the Sean
Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Why You're back. This is the Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 5 (01:50:40):
Get back at it. Ryan wants to weigh in. Ryan,
good morning. How you doing morning, fellows? How are you
all doing? Very well?
Speaker 11 (01:50:49):
Man?
Speaker 16 (01:50:50):
Something about getting home from work and just being scared
about these Uh the fields scare.
Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Me, man, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 8 (01:50:56):
I ended up over indulging.
Speaker 16 (01:50:58):
In the garage watching the game, and uh my Twitter
fingers got a little happy, and Sean, you caught as straight.
The USC childrens have wonderful white jerseys.
Speaker 5 (01:51:06):
I should, but I was wondering what what when when
I was laughing at it. You don't know me in
any apology, dude. It's all in good fun. But I'm
trying to figure out, at what point in time have
I ever oversold the Trojans?
Speaker 16 (01:51:20):
You have it, that's the point.
Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
So you're about so basically what you're saying, you can't
handle your liquor. You're an amateur.
Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
No, that's not what Miller lights tastes really good in
the garage.
Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
That's that's a fact, and that's why I didn't even
think twice about it. It's and I would imagine we've
all been there. It's like, okay, then you look at
I wonder and you know what our jerseys are. They're
they're just traditional and cool, but they're not gonna they're
they're not gonna wow anybody or or what do we
call road whites or what is it? The the the
alternate jersey. Yeah, no, you're good, brother. You don't know
(01:51:55):
me an apology, and I'm of all the people, I'm
actually honored that you would have thought of me while
you're drinking. So I appreciate it. Matt in my trojans.
I hope they play better.
Speaker 16 (01:52:03):
Yeah, the uh hater. He makes me nervous every time.
Speaker 8 (01:52:08):
I know you shouldn't.
Speaker 16 (01:52:09):
But it was a good win, Gordon. I'm happy he
went out there and just shut him down. Is a
good time. It's a good game. And excited to see
what they do for the rest of the season.
Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
You think, do you think, No, you're good brother, have
that it, man, but we'll have we will go after
somebody else's jersey, and I'm with you, my man. Hey,
real quick, do you not think they're a championship team
right now, or do you think there is something missing
from them being a championship Yeah, you'd like to hit better,
but you like what's going on? Do you think this
team can win a championship? How they are right now?
Speaker 16 (01:52:40):
I think what it is is I always believe they
can win a championship, but it's we've gotten so accustomed
to either one just beating the crap out of teams,
or we're double play machines that can't ever score runs.
And then you just you don't have no idea, and
it's just this roller coaster of emotions. And as an
Astros fan, you seeing him win it twice, and yes
(01:53:01):
twice for anybody who says that they haven't, they have twice.
You you have this certain level, like an expectation your
mind as to what they're gonna do, and when they
don't do it, you think the sky's falling.
Speaker 8 (01:53:11):
So it's just it's this biased I have.
Speaker 9 (01:53:14):
I think they are a championship team.
Speaker 16 (01:53:16):
I just need to get out of my head and
stop worrying so much unless the guys do what they
know they can do on the field.
Speaker 7 (01:53:20):
Nah.
Speaker 5 (01:53:20):
Many look, it's part of being a fan.
Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
Love and Ryan, we appreciate the call, buddy, Thanks, but
appreciate you, see, buddy, Yeah, you know I've I've been
on Ryan's level numerous times with uh, you know, getting
after it, and then the uh, the twitter, the twitter
streets start at least creeping up on you, and the
temptation is too much to uh to.
Speaker 5 (01:53:41):
Just can't resist grabbing.
Speaker 6 (01:53:42):
Yeah, and it's and it's it's at times got me
in trouble, but also at times, you know, you feel
like maybe this is some of my best works, so
maybe I need to dabble in these waters sometimes.
Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
Why do you think people reached? I mean why is
why do you think the people that's their first reach
when they start drinking?
Speaker 6 (01:53:58):
Because you're talking about Yan you were just mentioned. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I would say that probably like.
Speaker 5 (01:54:03):
A bottle of courage is similar to that's it. Yeah,
it's it's beer muscles. It's one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (01:54:11):
Because you see something and annoys you, maybe even irks
you a little bit more, hell, even pisses you off.
So then you're like, oh, what do I care. I've
had a few, I don't have any inhibitions.
Speaker 5 (01:54:20):
I'm ready to go. And then you know, then that's
that's the road you go down. You wake up the
next day and you have a lot of inhibitions.
Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
Well, because then you see that blue bubble that has
responses and you're like, oh, yeah, so that one. I
would just say that, you know, in Ryan's case with
the Miller lights, I've been there. And also to for me,
like my my go to of choices vodka that if
you drink enough, it starts to become the water effect.
And I'm sure there's somebody out there we shouldn't drink
(01:54:47):
that much. Well I have okay, you can get over it.
Is that it becomes a point where you almost don't
even taste the vodka.
Speaker 5 (01:54:55):
That's a problem. Dan. I'm good, you're allowed. There you go.
Speaker 6 (01:55:00):
Then the next day I was hungover and I recovered
and I was just fine, you're at the house watching
the sporting of it, and that's no harm to Pixie
and Chaco are there, they're good. Let them out beat
them treats there you go. Yeah, I don't know. I
would Ryan.
Speaker 5 (01:55:12):
I actually thought it was funny because I'm like a
our white jerseys. Yeah they're pretty cool. They're old school.
They just don't oh they don't. But that's the way
see wants it. They don't put names on the back
of their jersey. They kind of like just it's like
Penn State. You're gonna get the same look all the
time for the most part, other than a few subtle changes.
Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
See.
Speaker 5 (01:55:28):
And I never knew either that we still wear black cleats,
that you could run out with the teams they're charging
you no, right, and that Penn State fans did it
last year at SC. Yeah, and they're like, all right,
all right, we like they came to SC to run
down the tunnel for Penn State with USC, right, but
like fifteen grand or ten grand whatever, five grand certain
(01:55:49):
levels they're now doing that and they're applying it to
the athletic program or whatever they're doing. So, yes, do
you want to run down the tunnel with the USC Trojans.
It'll cost you.
Speaker 11 (01:55:58):
So.
Speaker 6 (01:55:58):
I mean, I've seen Matt Liner, Reggie Bush like others
do the runout with Tommy Trojan's uh sword yep.
Speaker 5 (01:56:06):
Have they asked you to do it as a as
a lum Yeah? No, rat basket. I don't know. Well,
you know, what are we doing here? They'll get to me.
I'm an ss Bush as a bee we're all the elves,
we're on the l's.
Speaker 12 (01:56:18):
No.
Speaker 6 (01:56:18):
I don't know if they'll get Peterson because Jock Peterson
did it once because I think he was supposed to
go there and I think his dad went there, but
he did it.
Speaker 5 (01:56:25):
He didn't he didn't end up going to school there.
I don't know if they will, but you know, I've
held that before when you're addressing the band as the
quarterback after a game, or I've I've ran alongside on
a for the program and I have the picture of
it holding the football, running through campus, literally running through
campus in my uniform with Tommy Trojan and the Trojan
(01:56:47):
horse running for campus. Yes, running through campus is one
of the coolest pictures. I need to get it like
painted or put on the wall like you would like
a playing because it was just kind of it's memorable.
It's Tommy Tropy, It's we got tom Trojan, we got
the Traveler of the horse, and I'm running alongside it
through campus and it was like holding the football while
he's holding it and riding the horse. Yeah, this is
(01:57:09):
a pretty cool experience. Yeah, so I do have that
at some point. I don't know why I've waited this long.
I need to get that blown up into like a
picture or have somebody paint that picture that they see.
Mike Bond's the ad there now right, Yeah, from Cincinnati.
You've been a couple of plays, Mike. If you're listening
or anybody knows Mike Bond, Yeah, unlet's do this. See
did we get a new one post? No, Mike's still there.
(01:57:32):
He's been there about three years now. I've been to
the Coliseum. I've walked in. Mike hired Lincoln. I'm pretty
sure it. Yeah, but I've never been to a game,
and I'd like to go. Oh you have to, yeah,
you just it's the Cosseum. Yeah, just just for the
history of it.
Speaker 11 (01:57:46):
I know.
Speaker 5 (01:57:47):
That's why I want to go check it out. I'm
actually shocked you haven't been there, Like I said, all
your college football. Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 6 (01:57:52):
I've been twice, just never been to a game. And
the second time I went, they were setting it up
for the NASCAR race.
Speaker 5 (01:57:57):
You've been to South Bend? Oh, yes, okay, that was
to watch the game. Yes, you gotta go. Yep, pregame
mass all of it. It was really really cool.
Speaker 8 (01:58:05):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (01:58:05):
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Speaker 5 (01:59:27):
A lot of nerve.
Speaker 6 (01:59:28):
That guy has to check everybody else's time that they
spend on air. And then today he gets to have
a half day at school.
Speaker 5 (01:59:36):
Well, the show's after us. They'll they'll get some country
club days. God bless him. I don't hate I don't
hate them for it.
Speaker 6 (01:59:44):
We just never get most Just one of the astros
gonna play, you know, a game in Japan or something
like that where first pitch is at like four am.
Speaker 5 (01:59:50):
Are you whining right now? No? You know, do you
wanna do you have something you want to say to
the Maddie ballgame? I'm just saying, you know, what would
you say if you were drunk? To him?
Speaker 8 (02:00:01):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (02:00:02):
Checking everybody else's time card? How about your time card there?
Speaker 5 (02:00:06):
Brother?
Speaker 15 (02:00:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (02:00:07):
See I even weaved in a little bit of hul
Cogan there.
Speaker 5 (02:00:10):
What about your time card there?
Speaker 7 (02:00:12):
Brother?
Speaker 5 (02:00:12):
Yeah? But they'll get some country club days. Oh yeah,
you gotta love the day games. See Ross puts in
the time. Ross puts in the work, Matt, you know
every once in a while. Oh, it's a half day.
I'm gonna be at home today. So will Matt be
doing it from the crib? He will? Yeah, I would
think so.
Speaker 9 (02:00:30):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (02:00:31):
Man, you just came out firing, did you straight? That's
a semi straight. It's kind of a rubber bullet.
Speaker 6 (02:00:37):
I mean, yeah, I would say, if nothing else, it's
like a you know, a reminder joking around with your buddies,
a punch to the arm kind of de Oh.
Speaker 5 (02:00:44):
Yeah, it was the old little bug, the little exuberant
pat on the back. Slug bug. Yeah there you go,
right there, slug but yeah, I see a slug bug.
Boom boom. Right, No, that's it. I got you. That
makes sense, just to let you know. But at the
same time, you know, you're little jealous a little that
we don't have those.
Speaker 6 (02:01:03):
I'm just saying, you know, every once in a while,
if you if you guys want, we could get some.
Speaker 4 (02:01:07):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (02:01:07):
We had a couple of Rockets games in China, I
want to say, a couple of years ago that were
like five a m tips. Uh, they were exhibition games.
We could get those scheduled.
Speaker 5 (02:01:17):
Yeah. See the boss, the boss is giving us. It's
all about programming.
Speaker 6 (02:01:20):
Yeah, the program the programmer himself, Chris Gordy, he knows people.
Speaker 5 (02:01:27):
That's it. Yeah.
Speaker 17 (02:01:28):
Well, even even better, We'll tell Matt to take that
day off and you guys can call the game. How
about that call a Rockets exhibition game? Work on those
pronunciations of those Chinese things.
Speaker 5 (02:01:38):
Let me tell you something, brother, I'm all in and
you give me that I'm in. Yes, I always it's
like during the Olympics and when they when they have
to do the hockey and it moves fast where it's
like and I'm like, forget all winning the gold medals.
Is the toughest job in the world. Is being a
play by play hockey guy at the at the Olympics
Doc Emrick, Oh yeah, the best in the way, and
pronounced him like they lived with him. Yeah, hey yeah,
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and he rolled through us. Yeah, wheels it around the
mar It's incredible, incredible and it's gonna be nicing. Gordy.
Even you guys wouldn't give us that day off. So
there you go.
Speaker 6 (02:02:09):
There you go, go, Chris, Chris Gordy of course, courtesy
of Carbach Brewing every single week here on the show. Gordya,
let's get into a little bit of astros here, as
I mean, they're able to pull it off again last night.
Let's just start here at one thousand foot view. How
the hell are they doing this right now? Fourteen games
above five hundred, shutting out the Phillies two nights in
a row, even without Bryce Harper, but still winning ball
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games and now five and a half games up on
the Mariners.
Speaker 17 (02:02:35):
It's I mean, I've been absolutely amaz amazed at what's
happened these.
Speaker 9 (02:02:40):
Last two nights.
Speaker 17 (02:02:41):
To hold this Phillies lineup to zero runs over eighteen innings,
I mean, is absolutely insane. And then, guys, when you
compare it, you know, combine it with the fact that.
Speaker 9 (02:02:51):
They have four shutouts this month.
Speaker 17 (02:02:54):
If you remember when we started a month of June,
they shut out Tampa won nothing, then shut out Pittsburgh
three nothing in the in the win against Paul Schemes,
Like it's I can't remember the last time an Astro's
pitching staff had four shutouts in a month. Like you
probably got to go back to the Garrett Cole justin
Verlanders at Grenky days of a rotation. So all that considered,
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with all the injuries, you have to this pitching staff
that it's nothing short of amazing what they're getting done
right now.
Speaker 9 (02:03:21):
And it's it's not just the starters.
Speaker 17 (02:03:22):
And that's that's a big piece of it, right, I mean,
Hunter Brown and from Rivaldo has been so good, but
it's the guys behind them. I'll step it up and
doing their thing, but then the bullpen to be absolutely
as nails as they've been this year. I mean, this
is this is hands down, I mean obviously the best
bullpen performance they've had since twenty twenty two when they
you know, they were like so Ount won the World
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Series with that bullpen.
Speaker 9 (02:03:44):
But it's it's crazy, guys.
Speaker 17 (02:03:46):
This bullpen has been lights out and amazing at four
shutouts in one month.
Speaker 5 (02:03:50):
Hey, Gordy, sit like they are now, injuries and all that.
Do you believe that there's a five star move or
kind of like a needle moving move that the trade
deadline or what's more bound, but what's what's bound to
happen or a big, bigger chance, a big move, a
three star move, or no move at all by the Astros.
Speaker 17 (02:04:13):
I'd say probably a three star move at this point, guys,
I would not be afraid to add another like a
utility man that could play first and maybe spell Christian
Walker just a little bit. It's it's like that meme
that goes around with Charles Barkley where it says it's
time to have a conversation. I mean, it's getting to
that point with Christian Walker, like it's it's it's almost sad.
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I mean, it's a you know, you got to a
point where you felt bad for Josea Bray because it
was just so bad. It's getting to that point of
Christian Walker and I hate to make him the whipping boy,
but hitting two fourteen, it's, you know, we keep going, Oh,
it's gonna turn around, It's gonna turn around. No, it's not.
It's it's almost July. I mean, it's it's just not
gonna happen this year for him. It's just not He's
gonna have some moments. He'll have a day where you go, oh,
is he turned in the corner. The next day he'll
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go for four or four strikeouts, you go, no, it
was just a blip on the radar. So I don't know, man,
That's like the more and more I start to look
at it and go, how do you keep running him
out there every single day? And I guess he's making
a ton of money, But I would almost look, there,
is there a platoon guy? Is there a guy that
you could bring in that could play some first, could
play some second that you could kind of move around.
But that's kind of what I'm thinking, Like I don't
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think it'll be a home run, you know, big splash name,
but maybe a journeyman somebody out there that could just
be an extra bat to add to this lineup.
Speaker 5 (02:05:28):
Again.
Speaker 6 (02:05:28):
Chris Corney joins this every single week courtesy of Carbok Brewing.
And I mean your point about Walker is incredibly valid,
and I think he goes to another point Diaz. I mean,
you're starting to see inconsistent playing time for him. Where
it's Christian, it's it's Victor Karattini getting the dh roll
that day, it's Victor Karattini behind the plates.
Speaker 5 (02:05:48):
I mean, is there even a little bit of concern
with Jiner.
Speaker 17 (02:05:53):
Yeah, I mean it's it's been a little bit of
a concern with with Janar Diez. You know, Karatina. I've
been saying, I've been saying this is last year. I
thought they should be more platoon, more fifty to fifty
between the two of them. So but yeah, I mean
the way they've been constructing the lineup, they've had a
lot of games, is Kartini dhing on days that Yannar
Diaz is catching.
Speaker 9 (02:06:13):
But it's funny.
Speaker 17 (02:06:14):
I was filling out the All Star ballot yesterday, which
encourage all of you guys to go to astros dot
com and cast a ballot and let's get Hosey al
Tuoven Germany Pinyon into the All Star Game.
Speaker 9 (02:06:22):
But it got to the catcher spot. I saw yannar Diez's.
Speaker 17 (02:06:25):
Numbers and I was like, oh God, it's just like
he was supposed to be one of the best hitting
catchers in baseball, and he was when he first got
up here, but it's just not panned out this year
for whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (02:06:35):
Do you think they can win a World Series with
the roster as it is right today, even with getting
Yard on back and he's good, but it just doesn't
mean it's a late to the party and he has
a good second half. He's not the even if he
has an MVP second half. Does this current structure, how
they are set up now, do you believe they're a
World Series team?
Speaker 17 (02:06:55):
I mean, right now, Sean, if we're just going off numbers, yep,
just going off.
Speaker 5 (02:06:59):
No, and your and your optics too.
Speaker 9 (02:07:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (02:07:03):
They are top five in all of baseball in e
r A and they are top three in baseball and
batting average. I mean, if you're if you're top five
in both those categories, you're you're playing winning baseball.
Speaker 9 (02:07:14):
You're doing something right.
Speaker 5 (02:07:16):
Be in top five in scoring and in you know,
like or in offense, and top five in defense or
sacks in the NFL, and we'd say that team's got
a chance to win the whole thing.
Speaker 17 (02:07:25):
Correct, Yeah, no, no, absolutely, their top five and saves.
Now there are number one in one category that's not good.
And this has been a category with the Astros have
usually been down in for the past decade, and that's strikeouts.
They lead the league in in in strikeouts.
Speaker 9 (02:07:43):
Well I should put that, sorry, maybe of a stake.
Speaker 17 (02:07:45):
They lead the league in strikeouts at the at the
on the mound pitching wise, So that tells you all
you need to know about a team that is gonna,
you know, sit you down.
Speaker 9 (02:07:54):
And and teams are not hitting.
Speaker 17 (02:07:56):
I mean when you look at what Hunter Brown and
frombervald does and those guys are doing on the mound
onent batting averages, it's like two hundred two ten, it's
like teams are not hitting against them. So anyway, it's
just one of those things. Did you look at with
the steam and go, you know the words World Series.
You gotta be awesome to get to the World Series.
But can this team make a run? Put it that way. Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (02:08:17):
I understand you're heading into the Manning Passing Academy this weekend,
so we'll dive in here at the end into a
little bit of college football. I'm sure you probably sharell
saw Steve Spurrier's comments that he made to Pat Duley
about arch Manning. Most people picking Texas to win the SEC.
They got arch Manning already winning the Heisman too. My
question is, if he was this good, how come you
let quinn Ewers play all last year and he was
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a seventh round pick.
Speaker 17 (02:08:43):
Yeah, I mean, that's it's kind of silly. I mean,
you know, guys wait their turns. Guys you know, they're
premier talents that aren't ready to step in and start
from day one. You know, you can make the same
argument about oh, why didn't Tua start over Jalen.
Speaker 9 (02:08:57):
Hurts at Alabama? You know what I mean?
Speaker 17 (02:08:58):
Like that, you could do that again against anybody. You know,
Chris Leak was the starter at Florida when Tim Tebow
got in. Tim Tebow was a generational quarterback. Tim Tebow played,
you know, he got into goal line packages as a freshman,
but he didn't start and Chris Leek won a championship.
So you know, it's just one of those things that
I think Spurrier is just kind of I think he's
having a little fun with it. But look, there were
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some UT fans that were yelling last year they thought
Art should have started. You know, there were there were
moments where Quinn was not great, But bigger picture, Quinn
gave Texas the best chance to win a championship last year.
That was just the bottom line, you know, And so
that's why he started.
Speaker 9 (02:09:35):
But I get it. Spurrier is not Spurrier without without
poking the bear.
Speaker 5 (02:09:39):
And and you know what's interesting about that, Gordia is
when he was coaching at Florida like a Danny Warfle.
I believe he coached Worfle there. I'm pretty sure was
under his time. Danny Worfle won a Heisman Trophy. But
Danny Worfle wasn't a Sunday player. I mean, even if
he's a smart guy and good player, but was on
you know, his skill level. And so Spurrier's coached guys
that went on that had a really good college players,
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but on Sundays were difference. And he knows that. He
also coached at the NFL. So it is Listen, that's
just to get a dig out of you, because right
now Steve Sperry was coaching college football, he'd love to
have Arch Manning as his starting quarterback in South Carolina
or at Florida. So Gordy on that what would it
What would it take for a Manning with a quarterback
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coach and a head coach the same like him, meaning
the guy who's calling the place. What's it going to
take for him not to be successful with all those players?
What would it take?
Speaker 9 (02:10:34):
You mean, like, if Arch isn't good, what were the.
Speaker 5 (02:10:37):
Chances of him I'm talking about failing at the position
an injury? Other than that, how in the world can't
he be successful with that DNA and that talent and
that coach because he sees something in him as well.
Speaker 9 (02:10:50):
Well.
Speaker 17 (02:10:51):
That's what's funny is is you think of his dad,
Cooper Manning was supposed to be the next big thing,
and you know, he was the the Mannings and you
know he was supposed to be the all everything, and
you know, injuries hampered his career at ol Miss and
so you know, so it is kind of interesting you
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bring that up because it is the what if you
know he had I think it was a spinal issue
or pitching of.
Speaker 9 (02:11:17):
The nerves or something like that that kind of ended
his career.
Speaker 17 (02:11:20):
Yeah, if something like that would have happened to Arch,
I mean that to me, that's the only thing that
could prevent this kid from being awesome.
Speaker 9 (02:11:26):
I think now. I have said this about Arch all
all offseason.
Speaker 17 (02:11:30):
When people have asked him about him, they say, do
you think he's going to be next level?
Speaker 9 (02:11:33):
I say, I think he's going to be very good
this year. I think he's going to be awesome in
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 17 (02:11:39):
And they've been pretty committed to saying they believe he's
going to come back for another year, that it's not
going to be one year starting onto the NFL. So
I think he's I think he has ups and downs
this year. I think he has a really good season,
maybe ten and two that make the playoff or whatever.
But I think twenty twenty six, they come back. A
lot of these pieces all come back in Texas is
fully loaded for championship run in twenty six Under there's
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a history of.
Speaker 5 (02:12:01):
The family that tells me he's gonna play well. And
his head coach is pretty good. I'm with you and
the Manning family. They've had a plan all along and
he may change. I see him playing two years as
a starter as well. I don't see him bolton right
away because the man it says he doesn't need to
and get more polished. So when you hit the ground
running as a rookie, ready to go, no doubt.
Speaker 17 (02:12:22):
Yeah, it all depends on how the season plays out, right,
I mean, like it's you know, if he has an
up and down year and they go eight and four,
then yeah, he's absolutely coming back. If they go undefeated,
they win the championship and he wins the Heisman, she's gone.
Speaker 5 (02:12:35):
Yeah, and he's gonna be the first man, Yeah, no doubt.
I mean where else you're going, there is no question.
It's all those things. But if you know, if you
take Manning in Texas or the field, you'd take the
field because there's so many good teams. But if he
has that type of season, Gordy that you mentioned, of
course he's leaving because there's no place else to go
but down. Even though the challenge is to win a
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second national title, which is hard to do in a row.
But I'm with you. I think this is in really
good hands. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 6 (02:13:02):
And so does Steve Spurrier and no kids, and we
finally get a chance to see what it looks like
this year. Gordy, I know, like I mentioned, you're heading
out to the Manning Passing Academy, but got a good
series coming up this weekend against the Cubs, get the
Phillies today.
Speaker 5 (02:13:17):
I mean, just prime conditions for Carbock Crawford and give
my best to that family.
Speaker 9 (02:13:21):
Brother.
Speaker 5 (02:13:21):
If you run into those guys, tell him I missed
the laughs. Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (02:13:26):
Yeah, absolutely, it's all. It's always fun to get out there.
Speaker 17 (02:13:28):
Just a Todd mcshake tweeted he's gonna be down there,
so it's gonna be a it's gonna be a big,
big affair down there. But yeah, if you're if you've
been out the ballpark the last couple of nights, man,
you've had plenty of opportunity to enjoy an ice cool
Crawford back and watch them dominant pitching from the Astros.
They have been certainly dominant, shutting down everybody. And man,
make sure you got a Crawford boch from our friends
at Carback Brewing.
Speaker 9 (02:13:48):
You guys will be out there.
Speaker 17 (02:13:49):
Dan will be out there today after the game, the
eight team will be broadcasting live and then a special
edition of the Crawford Box cast Today's six.
Speaker 9 (02:13:57):
Kevin Eschinfalder going to join Dan out there at Carbock.
Speaker 17 (02:14:00):
So make sure you guys come on by, and if
you head to the ballpark today for an afternoon lunch meeting,
grab yourself across the box from harbuck Berry sixty seven.
Speaker 6 (02:14:08):
Can't think of a better way to start the weekend. Gordy,
save travels, buddy. We'll talk to you next Tuesday. I
see you guys, all right, see you, Chris, Gordy Manning
passing Academy bound. That is something though that I do
want to carry over because I do think that there
does need to be a enough of a message delivered
to Texas fans. Because I've seen this movie play out before.
(02:14:29):
We'll talk about it right here. It is a Shawn
Salisbury Show, Sports TX seven ninety.
Speaker 3 (02:14:34):
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Speaker 6 (02:14:46):
Uh Football doing the Rockets and Astros studio work.
Speaker 5 (02:14:50):
And I did a game with him awahe football game
and where are we at Memphis? Yeah, And he called
the play by play and I was a color analyst
for the radio side, and he just, I meane, just
to talk about easy but you're working with him to
teasey up, and was just it was, is like the
game's overall?
Speaker 8 (02:15:06):
Right?
Speaker 5 (02:15:06):
Yeah, yeah, great guy, Yeah, for sure, he'll be a
great guest for you today.
Speaker 6 (02:15:09):
But the Astro's going for the sweep of the Phillies.
Hunter Brown gonna be on the mound against Christopher Sanchez.
That's gonna be coming your way noon with the Astros
on deck, Rossville Reale delivering that for you and Fred
Van Vliet two year, fifty million dollar contract extension with
the Rockets. All right, So to wrap up what we
were just talking about with Gordy at the end there
about arch Manning, I just I tell Texas fans be excited,
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because yes, there was the whole five star anticipation. He
gets on campus. You beat out everybody else to get
him there. You want to finally see him on the field.
I just whenever I see top ten lists, he's number one,
Heisman odds, he's got the highest odds, all these other things, Sean,
it just gets to a point where I'm like, these
expectations are so sky high, he's not going to reach them,
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and then people are going to take that as disappointment
he didn't live up to it.
Speaker 5 (02:16:00):
Yeah, that's the thing. And I would imagine him knowing
that family are prepared that no matter what you do,
it won't be enough. I'm not even just saying for
Texas fans, for the national media and the rest of it,
hopefully it will. You know one thing about arch Manning
that he's never done through all this, he doesn't talk
much about it. He just kind of he goes about
his business. If you're looking for a quarterback who's as
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highly pubbed as him, he works in about as much silence.
He does his business in silence about as good as anybody.
He really does, considering we could be reading him about Nil.
The truth is, if the Mannings wanted to push this,
is there a big is there just for you know
about their endorsement Kings and you know they do it all,
you know, just the whole of moving product of ROI
(02:16:43):
and your investment in NIL. If they really pushed this
and this was their biggest priority, he'd blow the field
away with his endorsements, because it's not just the local
stuff at Texas. He's people in Florida want to know
about arch Manning as well. Yeah, so he could, but
he tells me the focus has been on football and
getting this right. The rest will take care of him
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because he didn't transfer when he could have been starting
as a freshman somewhere else. None of that, and he
hung in. And Sarkesian is a big part of that
because they believe in him. But I'm going to tell
you what, knowing this family like I do, I fully
believe that he has prepared for If I win the
Heisman Trophy and we win a national championship, it still
won't be enough for some Oh well he threw for
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forty two hundred yards, you know what, that picky three
you know how we'll nit pick at it. We will.
So in the terms of can he ever live up
to the hype? Well, what's the hype? You expect him
to be Brady right now and when or go out
and be the first guy since Archie Griffin to win
two isis that hype because he's arch Manning. Yes, you
can't live up to that hype, you just can't. But
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not living up to that hype. You could still be
the first pick of the draft and have a great
season and be a national champion. Because we are unrealistic
with this stuff. We just are, all of us are.
But I'll tell you who'll be more prepared for the
unrealistic expectations more than any of us. The family, the pedigree,
and that kid. Now, I don't know how he's going
to play. My assumption is he's going to play pretty
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damn well because he's got really good feet, he's smart,
he's a good, big sized body. He's one thing you're
not gonna have to worry about. Preparation and the mental
approach to the game. That's who they are. And he's
more athletic than any of them. He's more athletic than Peyton.
He's more athletic than I'll tell you who he's exactly like.
Is his grandfather. The most athletic of the group when
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they were playing in their prime is Archie. Arches is
close to Archie, closer to Archie than any of the
other two. See, people didn't go to watch Archie Manning
play could throw it, Archie Manning could run and kill you.
Archie Manning has closer to that Peyton and Eli weren't
beating you running. You can time them in no disrespect.
(02:18:53):
You can tie them with an hour glass, right, But
they always anticipate or smarter and never been through it
on time, all that stuff. So Archie arch is an athlete.
But I'm telling you now that while we all place expectations,
they have expectations. Nobody's gonna have higher expectations themself than
him and that family, but they will know how to
temper them. I assure you that the expectation you're exactly right,
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living up to the hype will be brutal because the
hype is blown out the way it's he can win
the Heisman Trophy and win a national championship, and for
some it still won't be enough because he's a manning
and we there's a blessing and a curse. Brother. The
blessing is good DNA, the curse is good DNA. Yeah,
And the expectations that go through, there's no doubt it's gonna.
Speaker 6 (02:19:36):
Be tested right out the gate too, right there in
the horseshoe against Ohio State. So we'll see what he's
got right there off the jump. But we are going
to switch back in the Astros because good buddy Ari
Alexander from KPRC two, he's going to join us to
talk about his report he had yesterday when it pertains
to Jeremy Peney. That's coming up right here on the
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moment with Painya and the astros Even after the news
we had a couple of days ago about Scott Boris
being hired on.
Speaker 7 (02:21:44):
It looks like the way stand is on hold because
even though Scott Boris has done things with Astros players
in the past, Lands for Colors and Josel two Bay
for the two recent extensions pulls, right now, it just
feels like everything is in a holding pattern because the
deal examscussion over the past several months was between paying
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his former represented had been into and the Astros, And
so now Scott is evaluating it and station is this
a deal that we want to move forward with which
I would feel like is very unlucky or more leaning
towards Boris's mo which is Jeremy Payne likely unbelievable year.
I believe in this player. I think he can have
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two more having an years ago into free agency and
get two hundred plus million dollars.
Speaker 5 (02:22:31):
All right, I see both sides. If I'm the Astros,
I might want to wait and see if this is sustainable.
I mean that he keeps doing this year after year, right,
I mean, you know, like another year this one and
maybe now I get why they'll be patient with it.
There's no rush now. On the other side, if I
was his agent Boris, I wouldn't take it. I would
twenty five million I would bet on myself. So let
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me ask you, is there any chance that he takes
twenty five million for five years or somewhere in that range.
Speaker 7 (02:22:58):
I would say there's a chance because because this year
Jeremy spent the whole season interested in an extension, an
open pan extension. And the way that he feels about
Houston is this is in two and where he has grown.
He likes it here, he likes his veterans, He gets
along with everybody he plays with the World Series MVP
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of this team.
Speaker 1 (02:23:20):
So from that standpoint, I.
Speaker 7 (02:23:21):
Don't think he has any issue. He was making an
extension staying in Houston long term, and the deal that
was discussed over the pawt Taians was one that was
a five year deal which would take him through his
a several month two season and still give him time
to sign another good extende, thirty good deal, another free
agent deal where he could maybe make another sixty another
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ninety one hundred million and retire with huge career earning
seventy eight.
Speaker 9 (02:23:49):
The deal that had been discussed was set up.
Speaker 1 (02:23:52):
It was the win win deal.
Speaker 7 (02:23:53):
Damn so the get to sign him for a rate
that they felt was fair to Dastro is gonna break
the band and the last few of the two free
agent years at the end them and is the few
free aging years at the end there would have been
in the high twenties. From what I were, it's something
that sort of makes sense for both sides. But on
the other side, it's told he is, yes, he's having
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his breakout year. This year for paying is different than
the other he was that he has had. And if
you are the Astros, do you want to take that
wait in for a year? I don't think you can
in these kind of situations because the approach and now
with Hunter Brown and almost the same thing happened there
was you could have done the talk of the thought
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of an extension with him prior to lasts, you know,
and then he started horrendously and almost got you know,
set down to triple A. And then he's in down
with the sinker and becomes what is going to be
an all star pitcher. And now this is a guy
that turns it already too expensive for you to extend
in two hundred plus million, and so at some you know,
going to want to miss the boat with these guys
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and pre arbitrary or extend at the point you don't
buy out arbitration years typically your team friendly and so
that necessarily I think at this point you've kind of
seen what you need to see With Jeremy Paine. I
don't ness that the heater in the playoffs in twenty
twenty two. He's good in the club out. He's the
second best player in baseball right now per b Wars,
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and you know he has all of it in there,
and so even if he doesn't match that production like
his floor, is still a really good player.
Speaker 8 (02:25:28):
It's still a.
Speaker 5 (02:25:29):
Twenty plus million dollars player.
Speaker 7 (02:25:31):
And looking around in the league in shortstops, how many
guys right now are better than keep in mind on
the league and when he's playing at his works which
was parts of last seam around the twenty twenty three
that's still a three to four winning player.
Speaker 6 (02:25:45):
Yeah, all right, we're gonna get your connection check there
for a second. To put you on hold triple to
check with you is getting a little bit of skipping
on your end. But I mean all the information and
everything that Arid is laying out for us there, Sean,
I mean, he's one hundred percent right where you've got
a highly effective player being able to get it done
also offensively, defensively running the bases. But I mean a
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guy that Joas Boda even himself was able to identify
this year before the season to say clubhouse leader, a
guy that now it's his turn because Bregman's not here anymore.
You're looking for those guys to be able to step
up and step in and will continue. Now, all right,
we got you back. But I mean, how much of
a lot of this too is We talked about it
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earlier that Bregman being a Boris guy, he gets a
three year deal. Pete Alonso he was a under the
gun type of guy that got a shorter term deal.
That it's just unless your name is Otani and maybe
a couple of other guys, you're not getting that eight
to nine ten year deal anymore.
Speaker 7 (02:26:46):
Well, it doesn't have to be an eight nine ten
year deal. The shortstop contract that I think best compares
with what Jeremy payin you could get, Like if he
was a free agent, let's say right now, and he's
coming off of this season, and he's at the age
that he would be a free agent, which is age
twenty nine going into thirty. Is the Willia Domas deal.
That's not a Boris client, that's CAAA. But they did
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a seven year, one hundred and eighty two million dollar deal,
and that seems right now to be in line with
what PAYNYA could get in free agency. I imagine that
the two hundred number is something that Scott, Boris and
Paynia had discussions of. When Boris is trying to convince
him to sign with Boris Corp is saying, look, you're
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playing great. You're a two hundred plus million dollars shortstop.
You know a Damas got one eighty two, We can
get you two hundred inflation. A couple of years from now,
one hundred and eighty two million contracts is going to
be a two hundred million dollar contract, and so I
think that that's something you can look at. Bregman situation
was interesting because Alex is a very specific guy. Pete
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Alonzo's his market cratered a bit because he's sort of
a flawed player, right and he also wanted to stay
in New York. Alonso is not a very good defender.
He had the worst year of his career and his
platform year, which is obviously something you don't want as
a player. Whereas Bregman was coming off a great year,
but you didn't have all that many teams that really
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wanted to spend all that much money. They had a
lot of this money for Juan Soto because Juan Soto
is twenty six and this general rational player, where Alex
Bregman's a really good player. But they're sitting there looking
at their budget and going, I don't want to spend
two hundred million dollars for Alex Bregman, but I would
have spent five hundred million for Juan Soto, And so
that market kind of turned out into a weird way,
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unfortunately for Bregman, and so they had to sign these
short term deals.
Speaker 9 (02:28:35):
Sometimes it works out.
Speaker 7 (02:28:36):
You'll get Matt Chapman, he had the one year deal
and then he did the extension the three year deal,
I guess with the ops, and then did the extension
under Scott Boris.
Speaker 9 (02:28:45):
So sometimes it just works.
Speaker 5 (02:28:47):
Out that way.
Speaker 7 (02:28:48):
But also keep in mind Jeremy Payne is a shortstop,
and if you look at the short stop market over
the past few years, Danzby Swanson signed one hundred and
seventy five million dollar deal, Xander Bogart signed two hundred
and eighty million dollar deal at Damis. Like I mentioned,
I think that there's a runways here for him to
get big money in free agency.
Speaker 6 (02:29:06):
Yeah, and you've been all over this story and we
appreciate you hopping on with us this morning to be
able to let us know some of those details. Again,
He's Ari Alexander KPRC two Sports. You can find him there.
You can also find him on Twitter as well. He
is Ari Alexander, and the L in Alexander is a
number one and he's got that blue check mark so
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you know it's him.
Speaker 7 (02:29:28):
All right.
Speaker 5 (02:29:28):
Appreciate it time, buddy. Always great to be able to
catch up with you.
Speaker 9 (02:29:32):
Thanks for having me guys.
Speaker 6 (02:29:32):
There you go, Ari Alexander again KPRC two. A lot
of good points brought up by him right there, Sean
that we can dive into. Robert Brandon, see you guys
right there, get you guys involved in the conversation. Here
it's the Matt Toms Show with Ross coming up putting
next as well, ten to two. Right here on your
home of the Astros Sports Talk seven to ninety.
Speaker 1 (02:29:51):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 18 (02:29:54):
Sales.
Speaker 5 (02:29:56):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 6 (02:29:58):
Where I still remember the first one hundred million dollar guys.
Of when you started to have guys that were signing
those deals like Piazza, a few of the others, you know,
Alex Rodriguez, you were like, oh my god, I can't
believe they're throwing out that type of money. Now we
went two hundred million, I mean, and that's the thing.
I mean in the NFL, we're seeing half a billion
for guys like Patrick Mahomes. So it's getting to that
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point where these numbers continue to go up. But I
also think that baseball teams get to a certain point
now where they're like, we're not going to do these ten, twelve,
thirteen year deals anymore.
Speaker 5 (02:30:31):
I don't know why you would. It's not for us.
I don't know why you would. Well, you look at
the articles recently just in football collusions happening when Bill
Bidwell allegedly or Bill Biddle Michael Bidwell, the owner of
the Cardinals, got on the phone with the owner of
the Chargers and Dean Spanos and supposedly had a conversation
(02:30:53):
that said that they were thanking each other going through
it about the Kyler Murray contract, that they were going
to keep the guarantees down so it would look good
on other people that they were pissed at the Cleveland
Browns raise the guarantee stuff on Deshaun Watson, and so
the collusion Russ Wilson's contract. You start to look around
and you think, are people starting to get to the
(02:31:16):
point where is collusion really taking place? Even if it's
part time of let's keep these guaranteed contracts down. And
in Major League Baseball number one, I just think it's
bad business. I don't know if it's bad business to
give your best player, but I think that they're going
to see more owners in the NFL try to limit,
not give eighty five ninety percent guarantee to a lot
of guys, maybe the sum and start to work their
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way back the other way. In Major League Baseball, I
think it's a dumb ass trend. There's no way so
too ten years from now is going to be you're
giving money away at that point in time, you just are.
And there's no way I would give yord On a
thirteen year contract because he he will not, he will
not play that out as far as six ages. As
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much I love them seven years of course, but it's
just it's there's no sense. Now you're nineteen and you
get it, but you're not getting it at nineteen. So
the point is is that I think you're really stretching
yourself with injuries and posts. You get him for six
and you got to pay him for basically, or seven
you got to pay him for thirteen or twelve. I
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wouldn't do it, just like I'll never ever ever never
ever never ever never never never ever oh Tani included.
They don't get a buyout now on a thirteen year
deal at year ten, you want to buy out a
year nine eight. Maybe we both want out year one?
Speaker 8 (02:32:37):
What kind of.
Speaker 5 (02:32:38):
Buffoon are you?
Speaker 2 (02:32:39):
Well?
Speaker 5 (02:32:40):
You tell me tell me why. Somebody make a case
for me. That tells me why giving a guy a
one year and I want to get Robbert. He's waited
long enough, but I want to. I want you to know.
To tell me why giving a guy a buyout after
one year is good. Tell me what you tell me
after one year in the prime of their career, Why
it's good for the team that gives the buyout. Give
me one reason. I can't think of it. You're a
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bridge so they can have success and utilize you as
a springboard to go somewhere else. Now, if they stay
and they and they then they don't have a great
year and they're under the second year, they got to
buy out in the second year. Well, you give them
two chances to crush it, and that if you don't
want to pay them, they get to go somewhere else.
That's the that's the essence of a contract. I want
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you under my umbrella for a while. Why am I
gonna let you have your biggest season and play your
and leave? To me, it's a I think you're I
think you are an absolute and if if if the
shoe fits to somebody listening to give a player a buyout,
you're just dumb. Let's get to you just I mean,
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you may not be dumb, my cue. I just think
it's the dumbest move in a twelve thirteen year contract.
I would never give one. Real quick Corobert's Southside, what's
going on? Hey, thanks for Paul, I know that I
gotta be quick.
Speaker 18 (02:33:55):
I just wanted to say, I think it's really impressive
what the Astros are doing and they just need to
get They just need to win the you know, their
eighth pitching games. And also, I have a joke for
Yankees fans, why are the Yankees stuck on twenty seven championships.
Just send them a picture of out two of A's jersey.
Speaker 5 (02:34:15):
There you go.
Speaker 6 (02:34:16):
Hey, that's not even just a joke, that's a fact
for sure. Appreciate the call, Robert. Yeah, they love him
up there, and we love them even more down here,
and for good reason. So that's the Sean Salisbury Show
on a Thursday. He's Sean Tripley, Emmanuel Elmore, Dan Matthews,
The Matt Thomas Show with Ross. That is next right here,
Sports Talk seven ninety. We'll talk to you in twenty hours.
Salisbury. Okay, let's do this Sewn Salisbury.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
To usc True's longtime friend Shawn Salisbury.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Dan Matthew, excuse, this is the Sean Salisbury show.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
One round ball, softly hit up the middle and it's
under the glove of the shortstop. Turner goes in the center,
paying your rounds third and stores Astro's lead one to nothing.
They won two and that is strike three call at
the knees. Marsh goes down looking. Gordon gets his third
strikeout and there are two away. They won two to
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Turner swaying and a mess struck Hi out on a
sweeper and a dirt picked up by Caratini, who tags
out Turner and the side is retired. Philly Stranda pairs.
Gordon gets a couple of big strikeouts. King brings the
hands together, the two two in a foul tip. Held
on to my cartin. He finally went away with a
fastball at ninety four. It was off the plate and
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Bom went for it. Big strikeout for King and they're
two outs in the inning. Another two bouncing ball, softly
hit left side, coming in Pine. He has it, guns
to first, got them Philadelphia Phillies load the bases with
one out and they get nothing one oer and that
is driven deep till I failed, and you can test
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that one good bye. One of the train tracks from
picking their Caratini and the Astros get some insurance.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
They're up two to nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
The kick in the two two Sosa lifted in the right,
Smith lopes in a few steps waiting for it, makes
the catch and fat is the ball game. Another day,
another shutout win for the Astros over the Phillies.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Houston victorious two to nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Saya ban the Phillies these first two games to guarantee
a series win. They'll look for the sweep tomorrow afternoon,
as the Astros now have a five and a half
game lead in the Ale West over the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Oh thank you Robert Ford for filling us in on
all the details, and with that we say away we
go in good morning here on the Sean Salisbury Show
on a Thursday. Sean, we've talked about it all throughout
the season, even at times complaining a little bit.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Although maybe I need.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
To start taking Dana Brown's tact of your conversation with
him yesterday where you asked him about any perceived frustrations
and he was like Sean in so many words. We
have thirteen guys on the IL and we're thirteen games
over five hundred and four and a half games up
in the Ale West. What is there to complain about?
What's there to be frustrated?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
He doesn't have many if he didn't really have any,
I mean the ones he can't control, but is an
everyday thing, the way they're playing and competing and overcoming.
He's uh, it seems pretty pleased with his and I don't
blame him. I've said it all week long. If Jordan
was healthy, mccullors was healthy, errag Getty was healthy, Javier
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was healthy, and Garcia was healthy, among others, and this
was their record, you'd take it. You would absolutely take it.
You'd say, first place with a with a healthy lead
and not playing your best all around baseball, but playing
well enough to get to this point. What would you
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be saying about pitching if they were here? What are
you going to say about pitching? Now? Tell me what
you're saying about pitching now? It's stellar, okay, So what
are you going to say if they were all here? Stellar?
It's hard to take an A plus. It's hard to
take an A and move it. It's hard to be
better than like last night. Four innings of scoreless relief
and facing one of the best right handers in all
of baseball now and he pitched well too, and you
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didn't get to him much. You just got You took
care of your business at the right time again, timely
hitting and then you know, loading up the bases for
Philadelphia and getting out of the inning without giving up
a run. I mean, you know Brian King given up
three hits but still finding a way to get out
of his inning. And then obviously twenty first save for
Hater last night and he looked at the bullpen, solid
start for Gordon. You know, you go in and initially
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you say because of you know, the years of experience
and who they are, overmatched. When I sat and say overwhelmed,
I just said a little bit overmatched because Wheeler is
one of the best. Well, get him back down, pitched
his ass off, did Gordon, And here they are. They
came up with the timely hits and did the right thing.
You d him up, turn double plays, you don't give
free passes, and guess what, you give yourself another chance
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to win. And now you're winning the series. Regardless. So
if people want to say, well, man, imagine if we
heard what would I mean? You wouldn't be thirty games
over five hundred. You'd be saying the same things you're saying,
maybe a little bit more hitting because Jordan's in the
middle of the lineup, consistent power that he was struggling
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and maybe the injury had something to do with that beforehand.
So you'd say, Okay, we improved on the hitting a bit,
but hey, how's the pitch bullpen phenomenal? How's the starting
pitching outstanding? So you just add those guys in and say, well,
how's the bullpen phenomenal, how's starting pitching outstanding. I'll take
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this record regardless. I'd take this record of tu Tucker
and Bregman were still on the team at this stage.
What a couple teams in the league, three or four
with better records and they're all bunched within what a
handful of games? I don't know, in the entire league,
in the entire Major League Baseball. So I mean, I
don't know how you can. And then we look at
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it and say, well you can. Of course, we're going
to break down it places to improve every day. Of course,
they're doing it. You win by two, you want to
way you didn't win by five. That's human nature and
pro sports, of course, But I don't know how in
this city. You may individually say, man, when's Walker gonna
get going again? But you know what, there's gonna come
a time if Christian Walker gets going pain, you'll go
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through a slump. You know, you know a four for
twenty it's gonna I mean, happens to every single Grip
unless you name's Tony Gwynn. It happens to you, right,
So they're gonna go through offset. But the pitching and
staying healthy. But you're not telling me anything more about
this team and their record and where they are and
how peaceful and happy you are anymore with those guys healthy,
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pitching staff, healthy than you are. Now they've drumped right.
In matter of fact, you're not even begging for garciaan
Javier to come back. I'm gonna say you don't want
them back, but you're not begging for them to come back.
You're not in a hurry for them to come back.
You don't need them to come back tomorrow because well depth,
because guys are doing their job. The hitting, you hope
improves and getting your do on back will will obviously
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help just his presence alone. But I don't we have
our little things that okay man, you know, with the
little blemishes that are gonna need fixed. But maybe you're
gonna win Twuto. I mean, who complains about getting a shutout?
None of us should. That means pitching one, well didn't.
But you're facing one of the ten best pitchers in
all of baseball, and I think I'm cheating him and
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Zach Wheeler. So you would be probably be playing around
the same baseball and you'd be fortunate if the guys
that were hurt were posting like some of these guys have.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
Not.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Sam Garcia and Javier haven't, but they've had great moments
and they've also had their struggle. So you'd be saying
the pitching staff is not just formidable, but been spectacular
this year starting in bullpen combine. They wouldn't get any different.
So I'm with him. You're gonna have plenty to worry
about if they go on a ten game losing streak
or one of those. So right now, in this situation,
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the Padres, the Dodgers, the Phillies, they'd all be loved
to be where they were. Where you are the Dodgers
are You get my point? But we know the Dodge,
but the Padres and you know the Mets in Phillies
Battle and in the American League East. I mean it's
you're in a position nobody's had to overcome more. The
Dodgers have an argument, but they also had more on
their roster. I just I you always want to get better,
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and you're always going to work to get better, but
there's no way. And anybody that's saying that they thought
this was a record, they were going to dominate the
play like this and pitch like this, they're lying, it's
a pat on the back because none of us. You
thought maybe good, but nobody thought this.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Had so many people on the phone lines tall us
that this is a five hundred or just around five
hundred teams struggle.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I've heard some say struggle to make the playoffs. Right,
I didn't have them winning the division. I had Seattle
or Texas Ranger winning the division and Robert Flores that's
exactly right. And I and said, do I think there's
going to be one of those years where we're just
kind of talking about the hitting consistency all year long
if they get good pitching. But you looked at both
other teams in this division at the top, the two
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other ones that we seeattle in Texas that we have
figured would go in and you looked at their pitching
staff so formidable both and I didn't have I said,
I'm battling for that PLAYFFS, but making as wild cover
but not getting to play, I mean, not win the division.
So please, there's one thing. But actually, and stunned isn't
the word, but damn, I mean it's a there's a
little bit of a damn moment, like wow, this is
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this is going on and the rest of the league
feel in the same way because they didn't think this
was happening. Nobody did, so maybe the players themselves did,
and maybe that's why it's happening. But like I said,
fully healthy or not, you will take the record they have.
If every single person that's hurt was on this roster
right now, you would not feel I mean you feel
better because it's a security blanket of health. You wouldn't
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feel you wouln't feel anybody better about the record because
you know what, the record wouldn't be much different.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
The damn part of it, I think is they're now
a season high fourteen games over five hundred. They're forty
seven and thirty three. Is that not only some of
us here, but also people around baseball looking at this
team and going, how the hell are you doing this?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
That's like, that's what I meant. I said. Everybody says
so national other teams, and then they'll all give you
the same answer. They don't usually get themselves beat and
they're pitching out of their minds. Hoy, they won in
twenty two exactly right. So, like I said, we say
all we want about oh man, look at all this
and the training. Why is this guy hurt?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Man?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
This guy's always hurt?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Man?
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Is it gonna get back healthy? Let's just say those
guys that are hurt pitched like they're capable of. You
know what, the record would be forty eight and thirty two,
forty nine and thirty one, forty seven and thirty three. Yeah,
that that that's where they'd be the Dodgers going into
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this season. If you said you're going to be twelve
to fifteen games over five hundred at the All Star
breaking their division, you know what data said? I mean,
they would have said, well, we're more talented, be better
than that. They would have been pleased. Yeah, what's their record?
They are right now, let me pull up the standings.
They are believe only like a game or two in
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front of the Astros. Point, so when you went into
the season, who was the most loaded roster on the planet.
So they're fifty and thirty one, So to your point,
who was the most load two and a half games
in front of the Asters? Most loaded roster on the planet.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Right.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Of course in depth where we said, hell, if they
get a couple of people hurt, they can go. Well,
they've got a bunch of pitchers injured as well, and
they've won fifty games and they're considered. There were some
that thought, can they challenge the Seattle Mariners at one
hundred and fifteen hundred and sixteen wins? Whatever that was?
Which was hard to do? That that was I've heard
it whispered. There was, well, there's lines over and unders
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were said it, okay, can you know you could make
up you could have made a bet on it. So
and that's dude, that's the Dodgers loaded, and you could
go who had a better overall roster? Just money, reputation, everything,
more veteran MVP who had a better roster going in
the Padres or the Astros of the Dodgers. Oh, the
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Dodgers by a distance, right, well, at least with the names. Yes,
that's what I'm talking about, the perception sure that everybody
thought they were loaded. I went to how many games
are they heading to win Calumn two and a half?
Speaker 6 (11:58):
And the team that you're going to see for the
the next three games over the weekend, the Chicago Cubs.
They along with the team that you beat the last
couple of nights, all three of you were tied for
the third best record in all of baseball, and most
of the teams in this league are pretty healthy. And
then the Astros are three games in the win column,
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a couple of three games in the win column behind
the Dodgers, and the Dodgers were supposed to win one
hundred and five to one hundred and ten games. Right,
So back to your original point about why Dana Brown
with me asked him what his biggest frustration is. He says,
I really don't have one. They've they've overixped. Now you
don't want to get comfortable with that, of course you
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of course you can go out and play tomorrow. I
mean today, at the end of the day, it's halfway
point you go out. Let's say they win today as
forty eight wins.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
If you were to go out and win, play the
same way in the second half, just the exact same
baseball that gets you forty eight and forty eight, and
in my math is ninety six.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
That is.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
That's the actual math too. That's ninety six wins would
have been eight to ten wins, better than ten to
twelve wins, better than people had them. Let's just say
you're five games under that pace. That's what I'm saying.
Ninety one win, that's my point, and you're still winning
the division easily. So talk about you know, everybody talks.
It's not how you start, how you finish. Bs last
week and a half, two weeks of the season won't matter.
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That's why the way you start is every bit as
important is the way you finish, because if you start
slow and get too far behind, it's too much ground
to make up and there's too much pressure you put
on your team labors to get you know, I'm talking
about well twelve and twenty four what they did, and
we're able to go win the division. That doesn't happen
very often last year, and I think it's pretty easy
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to see. You ran out of gas, so there's no doubt.
So now you flip it. If you just play, you
win forty three games in the second half of the season,
you still win the division. You're still getting ninety wins,
and you're the last part of the season. You may
be able to rest some people and skip a start
or what have you, because you were able to jump
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out front. So don't tell me in football or baseball
and think, oh, it's not how you started how you finish. No, No, No,
the first one hundred or the first eighty, or the
first forty or every bit as important as a last forty,
because if I'm thirty and ten in the first forty,
guess what, that gives me a little leeway to rest
the people later on. Sure, so this odd not how
you start. Lightheyfin No, if I get out in front
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of the four by one hundred, relay by twenty meters
of my lead dog because he's so fast and we
got the inside, you know, make up the stagger, and
then I get it to the fastest guy in the
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he can start going using both on their ass and
staring at people with about thirty forty meters to go.
Same thing here. An eight game lead with ten games
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to go is a lot more a lot more stress
free and rest needed then having to win on the
last day of the season because of a tiebreaker. Get
my point? Oh yeah, so yeah, it's been a I
don't know how you can't say that this has been
the best coaching job, managing job in baseball the way
he's done it and the way these other guys have responded.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Fired up in the dugout too. Saw that on TV
last night when they get out of that eighth inning.
You see Joe with a little fist.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Pump, some youthful enthusiasm kicking in too, even even looking
into the dugout, kind of giving a couple of claps
like all right, here we go. Yeah, he's add on here.
You think that I think that these guys don't feel
like they're sixteen years old winning a little league? Of course,
you damn right that it's okay to enjoy winning. H
It's okay, So good on them for sure. Now the
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Speaker 5 (18:08):
Would you take knowing what the I'm just asking you.
First of all, he's not taking that. No, you hired bors.
You are not taking that, especially after you hired that.
And five that's twenty five million a year. I know
we're on a your postseason chops. I know, as Gordie
was talking about when he joined us on Tuesday of
(18:32):
to sustain this for a full year. That's one year.
Let me see you do it again if you're the Astros,
because they don't have to really do anything for a
couple of years. In twenty eight is when it's when
it's up right, When you guys got what he got
to arbitration, twenty eight's when he'd be free. I'm just
telling you now. I'm sure the report is true and
or he can let us know, but five years for
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twenty five million a year. If I was advising him
as an agent, just me on on his side. If
I'm the astro side, I do, I'd sit there and say,
we're not gonna be misled into jumping out in front
paying him fifty million dollars or forty million dollars. Now,
we're not in no hurry for that. And if you're
going by their background and the way they've done it,
(19:16):
their their their business model, Jordan, I know they they're
not gonna pay him. Oh you know, let's let's go
forty million for five right now. They're not gonna do
that right now. And I would not blame them for saying,
do this back to back seasons, during the regular season,
all year long. I get why they do it, and
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it's a risk both ways, risk by him, risk by
the team. The longer you wait, you say, is the
price tag bigger? And in some cases the price tag
doesn't get bigger. But if I was advising PAYNYA and
I was Scott Boris and he came to me and
said five years, one hundred and twenty five million, I'd say,
I'd smirk, and I'd say this is this is Jeremy
(20:01):
Painey we're seeing now. I would not I would I
would that contract wouldn't even get a blink. I know
you're saying twenty five million from four. He ain't thinking
twenty five million a year, brother, and he ain't thinking five.
At his age, he's thinking, this is the time to capitalize.
I do this a year or two in a row
at a premium position. He's if he takes twenty five
(20:25):
million a year for five years, if they redid that
as an extension, I would say that is a monster
on the serve of at least right now not knowing.
I don't think that's a huge risk for the astros.
A matter of fact, it'd be brilliant business. I think
it would be silly business if you if Painya, who
I think believes in himself, says this is who I
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am and it's only going to get better, he'd be
He'd be crazy to take twenty five million right now.
Crazy crazy too. He is twenty seven.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
So I mean that is something also to con say
is when he'd be finished, he'd be thirty two thirty.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Three, and he ain't getting an eight year contract at
thirty three five more though, fine, you tell me all right,
See I idly I come from the side of the
fence that says, bet on yourself the second you start
trust everybody else and bet on everybody else. Some are somewhere, somehow,
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some way along the line, somebody disappoints you. If I'm
Jeremy Pania and I got that skill set, I ain't
taking your twenty five and I normally you know the
I do. I think we we over like. I get
all that the overpaying sports. Will Sean think about the
normal pre I get that. We're not talking about the
normal person. We're talking about pro sports. So you got
(21:43):
to compartmentalize. Well, Sean, think about the country.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I do.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
I came from a family that was paycheck to paycheck.
I get the blue collar I get it. But now
we're not in that league. You're dealing with a whole
bunch of It's just what kind of millionaire you want
to be. We're dealing with salaries that are did that
her crazy? I would advise him, if I was in
his camp not to take twenty five million a year.
It's probably the advice he's getting right now, twenty toy.
(22:08):
Like you say he's twenty seven, he's twenty seven right now?
Twenty seven? Right now? Yeah no, And I'll tell you
why I if I'm him, I'm thinking, okay, held thirty
million a year for five or six years might be
a bargain for him three years from now. Getting him
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like that, you take the risk. With Kyle Tucker. Tucker's
having it. He bet on himself and they bet on
the fact that they couldn't pay him, and they knew,
even coming off an injury, that there's bigger money that
they weren't going to pay all the money. He keeps
doing this and is an MVP talk of the National
League or wherever he ends up this year, he's getting paid. Now.
(22:49):
Parlay this a couple of years forward with a premium
position shortstop and he's going, well, he'll get what Korea did.
I don't know if it's going to continue. I'm just
talking about if I'm his agent, and I would assume
that Scott Boris is leading more towards the way I've
approached it. Didn't take it twenty five minute. That's just
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my opinion. If every you're gambling all the time, dude,
you're betting on yourself all the time, or you bet
or you're betting on the organization to believe in you,
or see to me, if he took it. Now he
might be saying, Okay, now I'm secure. I don't. I don't.
It's a good thing for the team. But I always
guys that do this at settle and that is settling
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in his case, because it would be. I sometimes wonder,
well do they believe they can't sustain this? Like Darell Reeves,
give me one year contract and I'll just keep going
on the place and getting paid with the new signing
bust And he kept doing it and kept getting paid.
So I do believe, Like I said, I'm just I'm
trying to see it from both sides. I think that
the Astros get him, even if he doesn't prove. If
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the if they he came back and accepted twenty five,
if the offer is on the table and they did it,
he did the team. This is an absolute It's not
a huge risk for the Astros. It's not the biggest
risk of it all. Isn't that what if pain he
comes back and it's two sixty next year? To me,
the bigger risk is on pain a side. If you
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take it and play like this for two more years,
you're leaving about fifteen million dollars a year on the
table and more than five years from somebody else. Look
around the league. I mean, I just a hell of
a talent. I get both sides. If I'm the Astros,
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I make him do it over. I won't give me it.
I won't munch. Right now, if I'm Scott Boris and
Jeremy Peney, I say, we're betting on you kid. Twenty
five million dollars ain't gonna be enough.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Same time though, I mean with Boris and Anthony and Roger,
we'll get you guys involved in the conversation here in
a second. But the same time, with Boris, it's not
like Alex Bregman broke the bank with the Boston deal.
I mean, what was it three years? Like what thirty
five per or whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
But he's also got the old exit strategy. He's got
options out. After year one, you're gonna leave, I think
at the end of this year. I mean he's missed
about a month and a half right now. I mean
we're talking about jord On, so probably not gonna happen
this year. Probably not. And the truth of the matter is,
if you're Bregman in truth, the way you play there
before he got banged up, the way you play there,
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and if this is the fastest star, it was the
fast start of his career. The way you play there,
I wouldn't want out. Boston's got money. Now we've seen
him let Bets and Devors go. But they got money.
The question is who they pay it to. Well, they
let Devers go, but remember they paid Devers three hundred
plus million, and Bregman is a far better defender, not
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quite the hitter. Now, Bregman was hitting like Devers normally does.
So yeah, but we can't compare Bregman to Payna. It'll
be different, the money will be different, just in two years.
So I get both sides, and you think, how can
somebody turn down twenty five million. My guess is he
hired Boris not to be tempted to take twenty five million.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Yeah, so it was three years forty per, three years,
one hundred and twenty sixty.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
If they would have been nice, he would have just
like three more years of it here. If you'd offered
him forty million year, thirty eight to forty million a
year here for five or six years, Oh, Alex Bregman
would be here, I think if you offered him thirty
per yeah, oh, definitely. That's why I'm saying, if you
offer him what you're talking about, if they would extend
it just to five years here forty for five, what
do you think he's worth it? But if they would have,
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Alex Bregman would not be in Boston. Yep, I just
I just can't fathom the pain. You could have taken
five years, twenty five million, one hundred and twenty five
million without hiring an agent, if that's their first offer,
If that is their first offer, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
I don't think you ever Toad, I don't know it's
boris ever taken anybody's first offer. Probably not. There you go.
If I'm Payna, I wouldn't. If I'm the Astros, I
would wait because you want to see him do it again.
And it's it's been seventy some games in seventy nine,
eighty games in now today's eighty one. Oh, I get
both sides.
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Anthony, You've been waiting patiently. Good morning, how are you?
Speaker 10 (29:34):
Hey?
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Good morning guys.
Speaker 10 (29:36):
Hey, So, I think something Sean alluded to in the
first segment is why the Astros are looking at one
of the best records in baseball right now, and that
is that nobody is immune to going through slumps in baseball,
but elite pitching is sustainable. And the Astros have two
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of the best in baseball right now, now one of
the best bullpens in baseball right now. And if you
go up and down the list, the fact is that
the Astros are beating legitimate World Series contenders up and
down the list. They're winning records against the Tigers, the Padres,
the Blue Jays, the Mets, I mean, all of these teams,
(30:19):
and at some point you start to say, why not
this team, this team can legitimately go win a World Series,
especially if they continue pitching like this.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Hey, I appreciate the call, Anthony. I mean no argument here.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
I mean, we saw it in twenty twenty two, how
good that bullpen was. And by the way, yesterday was
the three year anniversary of the combined no hitter from
Christian Javier Hector Naris and Ryan Presley and the Bronx.
And then oh, by the way, they did it again
in Game four of the World Series too, So I mean,
you got really good pitching that year and look what happened,
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and you're getting really good pitching again right now. So yeah,
there's reason to believe in to Anthony's point, the Astros
are now twenty eight and twenty one against above five hundred.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Right, They're beating good teams. They're winning close games, they're
coming from behind and keeping leads, three things. If you
say that in any sport, that team is usually a
champion or pretty close. They really if you continue those
three things at the end of the year, we say,
what would they do, well, they're best in the league.
It come from behind wins, uh, one run, get one
run wins and what was the last one? We just said,
(31:22):
and uh, come, you said, come from behind one run
and beating good teams, beating good teams. Yea, you stay
that and you're the best at all three in the league,
they will be in position to put a ring on
their finger. And if we're having this conversation in September,
HOCTI last I checked in the postseason, you play really
good teams. That's exactly right. So it's nothing plus the
(31:45):
psychological effect of beating good teams and winning close games.
You now then become the point where you expect to
win them. And I think last night and the night before,
I think they got two punch. Well yeah, we plan
on when they expect to, not hope, they expect to
win them in regardless of the the body, the Rappers
the same. It's the Astros and that's who they are.
So yeah, man, I uh, And it comes down to this.
(32:07):
When you interview anybody in baseball, from John Smoltz to
Dana Brown to Steve Sparks to it won't matter who
comes on this show, Rob Dibble, tell me the number
one thing you have to have to win a championship pitching.
They'll all say that it'll start there now. Then they
may jump in. Well, I gotta have a superstar, gotta,
(32:28):
I gotta, I gotta have great leadership culture. All all
that pitching is the pitching in nineteen forty and pitching
in twenty twenty five will be the top answer.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
I've said it numerous times that pitching is akin to
the football example of being really solid on the offensive
and defensive line. There's not a single coach even in
those scenarios that says, oh man, just got too many
guys to be able to plug in there.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
And it's not and the pitching and it's not just
being solid solid will get you there. Great defensive front
and an offensive line will put a ring on your finger.
Their pitching has been more than solid considering all the circumstances.
It's been great. So they continue to do this. We can,
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this will be It'll be groundhog Day in September when
we're having this conversation. If they're doing exactly what they're doing,
excuse me. You can ask me the same question September fifteenth,
and I will give you the same answer. Pitching beat
good teams, win run run games. They come from behind,
and they keep the lead, they'll win the championship. Ste
(33:39):
If Roger agrees with you. Roger, good morning, Good.
Speaker 11 (33:43):
Morning, Sean Dan Dan. Out of respect for Jimmie two times,
I'm only gonna say this once. Yeah, good pitching always
always puts you in a position to win a ballgame.
It's just as simple as that. And since we've been
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getting so much of it, well, guess what we've been
in position and move in execute, and and and and
getting timely hitting. And that's that's what you got. I mean,
I've never seen a journey like this out of a
team with the no name predominantly the no name, the
no name pitching, and and you got so so many
injuries and and and so many times. We've been always
(34:26):
plagued by this. It's always been our it's been a
demise at times. And you got a big yord On Aberat.
You've got guys coming back that are gonna you know,
you would have hoped that they're gonna do what they
normally do, what they're what they're with their careers say
that they do. And nobody's really being rushed back. That's
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what's crazy. Like there's nobody gripping over here. This is
you know, everybody's just like, okay, we've got time to wait.
We're doing okay. I just hope that when the guys
get lined up and get come and come back. You
know this is this is also good for a playoff
room when you when you're looking for a couple of
sticks or maybe one good stick. You got a surpluff
of pitching. You can you can, you can, you can
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juggle with. I don't know how they're gonna do it.
I don't know who they're gonna do, who they're gonna
get rid of. This is, man, this is so crazy.
I've never seen anything like this song, nothing like this.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
I agree it is. It's it's baffling in a good way,
and you just hope it continues in the truth that matters.
I've always been told, you know who your team is.
Sixty games in, we're eighty games in. Oh yeah, I know,
we're rating now. You can go through losing streaks, but
the basic who you are, the guys that manage a
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team or a general manager or a player. You you
kind of get an idea who you are, and a
great idea sixty games and the trends, all that, the metrics, everything.
If this is who they are, this will be one
of the more shocking seasons around. Why because with all
the changels you said, they can still do this and
actually improve. Yeah, it's it's fascinating, man, it really is.
(36:06):
It's a good it's a study and how to do things.
Somebody take a deep dive. It's pretty impressive. They're pulling
off the Latanza heist right now. That's what it is.
And appreciate appreciate it, Roger.
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story of the Litanza heist being pulled off.
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Jimmy, no way. So I have no earthly idea what
this comparison is. What is it? That's good? It's good fellas.
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Oh okay, remember that when when he's listening to the
morning news and he finds out that they actually pulled
off the Liths.
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Very well, man, appreciate it now.
Speaker 12 (37:43):
I just want to get in real quick. Uh. With
the pitching, I will say for me personally, I haven't
been pleasantly surprised, especially with a few of these uh
newcomers and the way they've been pitching, like Gordon last night.
I think they said that last night was the first
time it is very gone. What was it five or
six innings of shut out baseball and just watching the
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way that the Astros can take these these pitchers and
mold them and develop them into just lights out players
in their positions. And my second thing I'll get out
of here is they play great, fundamental baseball against really
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good teams and find ways to win against them. But
through the course of the year. I don't know what
it is, but what scares me more than anything watching
these games is the teams that they.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
Shouldn't have a problem be.
Speaker 12 (38:42):
It's like they forget how to play basic baseball and
it all goes out the window for them. I think
that's one thing that bugs me more than anything about
the Astros seasons as a whole every single year.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
Appreciate it, guys, great shows always.
Speaker 12 (38:56):
We'll later.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
I appreciate the call, Alex.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
I mean, as I mentioned, teams above five hundred this year,
the Astros are twenty eight and twenty one, so that
means that nineteen of their other wins this year are
against teams that are below five hundred, So that means
that they are in those games at nineteen and twelve
against teams that are below five hundred, so still getting
it done.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
I'll take those games because in truth we said, he
makes a great point. As long as you keep paring
those I mean, keep birdying those par fives. You get
to the end, who do you play in the playoffs? Again,
teams that are about five hundred. There you go. So
just take care of your business like you are nineteen.
Keep doing those and staying seven or eight or nine
games over five hundred against teams you're supposed to hammer.
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Keep beating teams you that should at times beat you,
that are as good as you, and get to the
end and then gear up for the playoffs because you're
getting everybody's best and that should make you feel really
really good, really really good.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Well, and again, you know, I think it was a
little bit of an intersectional meet and they got t
bone last year by the Detroit Tigers, because the intersection
was you were incredibly banged up and tired towards the end,
and they were incredibly hot. Whereas you almost wonder how
that series could have gone if say the Astros had
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a week and a half two weeks to be able
to rest jord On and rest Kyle Tucker and get
these guys at least as close to one hundred percent
as possible. Would that series have gone any different? I
don't know it's coming gone in its past, but still
that is something that in past years they've been able
to do where you get into the postseason in the
last couple of weeks of the regular season, you were
able to get those guys healthy for it. And obviously
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it worked out because well, it's ALCS or it's a
World Series at the end of the year for you.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Yeah. And when you said they, would you say they
had a not a what was the phrase, you not
a tea bag? Would you say it was a t bone? Yeah?
T bone? Yeah. Right when you said it, I was like,
that's the worst car accident. I got t boned in
twenty twenty in Arizona. Side guy went about fifty five
to a stop Sis, very nice valley and t boned. Sweet. Yeah,
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got there. I still have an ankle that needs FEWS
because of it, but I haven't got it fixed yet.
But felt bad for him. He was a little older.
Is it your is it your pivot ankle or is
it your front ankle. I'm a right hander, so it's
like it's my rollover ankle, which isn't good. Every time
I play golf, I come back, it's a little I
need to go in. But I don't want to be
in that boot for you got to be in one
with one of those knee kick things. You got to
push and walk. I'm not ready to do that, especially
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over the sumcooters. Yeah, I'll get my it gets my
way of my golf. So I'm dealing with the pain.
But that te bone, because I thought you said, well,
you know they got tea baged. I was like, wow, interesting, Yeah,
t Bone. I mean there's been teams that they've probably
been you know, the first less tea bag. Yeah, probably
you're allowed to say it. Dan, it's it's not a
good place to be. No, it isn't. And you know
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what it could be simply just lipton. Now I'm not
saying anything. I mean, you you can take it how
you want.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
Well, I mean, and that's the thing is, you know,
some people will tell you that drinking unsweet tea shows
you that you are anything but being a Southerner. Right,
we're not really in the sad all right, let's be honest.
But you get my point. Yeah, the sweet tea guy.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
I was going to say it. I mean you're to
throw the tea bag in, Okay, you gotta make the
tea somehow. That's exactly right. So that's all I was saying.
But you were talking T bone, did I get it?
I like your point how you were teed is valid now,
and we could deliver a couple of those come playoff times.
I wouldn't mind eating bones and tea bags to the
opposing I was going to say, eat the t bones
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and deliver the tea bags. There you go, well why not,
there you go, and the Texas tea bags? Usually what bigger?
I guess, yeah, yeah, I guess right. I was going
to say, you had Texas to it. Then Usually it's got.
It's implying that we're just and that that's we're asking
the Astros, Rockets and and Texans to do. There you go,
put it on them, man. But it's a good Rockets
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gave you a good start to twenty twenty five, and
uh Astros are playing far better baseball than we would
have imagined. And it's obviously, you know, we can saying, well,
maybe that's just who they are the last eight or
nine years. Like you know what, it's not it's no
longer a maybe this is how they do their thing.
And then the Texans, we know how excited we are
about that season about to start.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Well, I mean there's something to be said about learning
lessons from, you know, rougher parts of a season, and
the Astros and Texans both went through that last year.
Who knows Texans will be able to learn from some
of those mistakes last year and kind of be in
the mold of what the Astros are right now.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
And I always like, well, it's not a moral victory,
and that's not where you want to stop. But here's
what we're look at. Hey, they learned lessons and they
both won their division last year, so you know what
I'm saying, They learned lessons and they both won their
division by not by having some flaws, right and while
there's flaws this year, whatever they're doing in those games,
close games and pitching is sure covering up any flaw
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they have at the plate. Right now. It's impressive. It's
fun to watch, indeed it is.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
And the Astros a season high fourteen games above five
hundred and forty seven and thirty three someone three two,
one two five seven ninety against someone three two and
two five seven ninety Those two things that make me
optimistic about Jeremy Piny you share those next right here
as we start hour number two here on a Thursday
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Speaker 6 (46:23):
How about them Stros shutting out the Phillies in the
first couple of games.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
They're gonna try to sweep them today.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
Fred van Vliet back to the Rockets on a two year,
fifty million dollar contract extension. No surprise, Cooper Flag goes
number one overall in the NBA draft to the Dallas Mavericks.
Someone three two and two five seven ninety is the
number to get in. Don't forget Chris Gordy going to
join us nine o'clock for his Thursday of his two
visits that he has every single week here on the
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show courtesy at Carboch Brewing. And then good buddy Ari
Alexander from KPRC two, he's going to join us. Say
he had that report on Jeremy Pania that the Astros
were in discussion on a five year, one hundred and
five million dollar contract extension with Pania. And then of
course we get the news a couple of days ago
Sean that he has signed with Scott Boris. So of
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course it was the gnashing of the teeth, the clutching
of the pearls, all of the different things. But there
is something though that is to you know, to follow
on this, and that Is already did have a follow
up to his initial report where he did say yes
it was the contract extension offered or at least discussed,
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and that Painia. This is the first part of the
reasons to be optimistic, willing to listen on extensions and
get them done. And Ari even points out in parentheses
that the Astros have done so with two players that
are Boris clients, But typically the mo for Boris with
his clients is to let it all ride, go to
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free agency, and then all thirty teams get a chance
to deal with you. The second part of it, as
I mentioned, was the two players that are that are
Boris got that you were able to get deals done.
Jose L Twova five years, one hundred and twenty five million,
Now I get that a little bit later on in
his career. For him, it was about I don't want
to go anywhere else. I want to be able to
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finish here, all of those different things, and he maybe
could have gotten a little bit more if indeed he
had gone the free agent route and signed with somebody
else who knows. Lance McCullers junior, another guy five years,
eighty five million, that you were able to get him
back here on a contract extension. It really comes down
to Jim Crane in all of this, because from what
I understand with McCullers especially, that was Jim Crane saying, no,
(48:34):
we're keeping that guy here, like, I've got to still
have that guy.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
In this building.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
If Jeremy Peniam has that anointance, if he has been
anointed as one of the guys that Jim Crane wants
to be able to keep around, then Jeremy Pane is
still going to be here.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Yeah, if he has the Verlander effect, you know, we
build a relationship. I know it was different. They played
golf and stuff together regard as how the relationship is.
If if mister Crane signs off on it, then you're
good to go. Now, what if Altuve would have come
back and said, I wanted what's he making a year?
Speaker 8 (49:05):
About?
Speaker 6 (49:05):
What al twove in the twenties? Al tuove, what's he
making a year with that five year? One hundred and
twenty five? Twenty five years?
Speaker 5 (49:14):
Oh it's five for one to twenty five right, Well,
the same thing that they offered Pina at twenty five million,
let's say, uh four million, more per year. Right, Let's
say al two Ve, Let's say al tuo Ve wants
would have said, I need to get to thirty or
I gotta go with Jim Crane said, okay, I think
so so is the price depending on who it is.
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If he's settled in, he's gonna he's going to give
you a better deal. If so, you think that if
if al to is thirty for five, did Jim Crane
would have said yes, I think he would have.
Speaker 6 (49:48):
But I mean I also just think for al two
V was twofold. I think number one, he didn't want
to go anywhere else. So the first that's the first.
Maybe you could say that a little bit of the
negotiating leverage was taken away from Scott Boris.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
But the other part is is it his age where
he was?
Speaker 6 (50:03):
I mean taking this now and we're even kind of
seeing a little bit of a decline offensively out of
al Tuov. What when in the last night's game two
sixty six.
Speaker 5 (50:11):
Let's say somebody, let's say he wanted thirty, and he
was thirty. He's at the tail end of his career.
He wants one more big good deal. Now that's a
good deal, but he wanted thirty for five. What's that
a buck fifty? So would they have given it to him?
Speaker 8 (50:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (50:26):
Okay, So if he has the same feelings for al
tuve that he has, they did the same feelings for
painting that has for Altuve. If you're painy and your boris,
don't you know that, well we could Boris knows they
probably could have got more for Altuve. So aren't you
if you're I'm just talking about from Paineyside, aren't you
saying I'm younger? I know I'm not that guy in
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the franchise. But al Tuovea's goal wasn't to be the
highest paid player. He wanted to be here for life.
And he's earned a lot of money and he's been great.
But if you're Jeremy Pania, that one big one, and
this may be that one if it continues, I would
imagine that the twenty five dol two A. Now, if
you said thirty for five right now in an extension,
I think he would consider that. That's why when it's twenty,
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if twenty five or twenty two right around in there
is the first offer. How many people take the first offer?
The L two v's of the world and Ramirez is
the world who take less to stay where they want
to in Cleveland or Altuve here, Jose Ramirez took a
lot less. Jose Ramirez probably over the course of contract,
could have made eighty million to one hundred million more
somewhere else and stayed in Cleveland. Al two B and
him have the same feel love it, love their teammates
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love being there. But we're living in a different world.
And even if Pain is cut, different wants to be
an astro for life. Five million dollars a year for
five years. That's a lot of money. So regardless of
Whendy win's enough enough well, with athletes and entertainers, never never,
it's never enough because you only have a fine of
that time to be able to cap exactly that's exactly,
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that's exactly right. So I just and you hope it.
I hope it's the approach of the Altuvidus. You just
know he's coming back. But if pain, it keeps going.
And he hired Bores. He didn't hire bors to soft
sell a thing. He knows what they're into. He knows
what you're getting into. He knows who is representative is,
and he knows the sledgehammer's coming with it.
Speaker 7 (52:16):
Now.
Speaker 5 (52:16):
You may tell him I want to be here's the goal,
here's what I want to be, and here's what I want.
Go get it. If they don't get to it, I
don't think he'll sign that. And I don't think twenty
five million right now would be enough for Scott Boris
to look at him and say, yeah, take this at
twenty seven years old.
Speaker 6 (52:30):
I think that it's also too from the Boris side,
there's no rush, don't do this is the same with
the Astros too, But at least the fact that you're
having conversations and there's the willingness to have it because
correct me if I'm wrong here with Correa, wouldn't it
If it gets to the season and we don't have
anything done, then we're not talking about it, right So
I mean you at least have that runway to work
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with right now.
Speaker 5 (52:52):
What if yeah, and if you're not in a hurry
for either one, what if the end of the season
comes in pain is hits three twenty five, has twenty
two home runs, scores one hundred runs, plays gold glove defense,
the rest of it, does what he's doing now and
finishes this Seaton excuse me? This season? Is he worth
more than or now? Well, I mean i'd probably say
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at that point, you're north of twenty five per is
at least the starting point. And if he doesn't take
if the offer sits right now and he doesn't take it,
aren't you honestly? I mean, he's betting on himself again,
and I get it. So right now as we're going,
is any betting on himself every single day if he
doesn't sign it now? Is any betting that he's gonna
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finish this season? He goes back to him in October
and says, well, if you're the Astros, don't you realize
now who's at fall? And where's the bigger risk? Not
paying him or letting him walk? They've had success letting
guys walk. Now he's not walking for a couple more years.
I get that, But I just just from the look
and the overall feel I get, I don't feel like
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twenty five million is going to be enough, even though
the guy's making four million bucks this year, because Scott
Morris is going to make sure he understands the big picture.
And you and I both know it, and I don't
blame him. I listen the shelf life for a CEO
or for a company person who works twenty twenty five years,
that's long. That's a long time. The shelf life for
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great baseball is in truth. Now, I'm not talking about
the careers that Gwynn and guys that play twenty two
years Nolan Ryan, the majority of them. Think about guys
that have been head star power and two years later
you're like, how's he hitting two twenty two? You know
what I'm saying, How's he hit two twenty five? Right?
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And just two years ago he finished third in the
MVP voting. It can go fast. So and if you're
just looking at how this business is, you got to
capitalize because I assure you you rarely play your best
baseball at thirty five as opposed to twenty eight. Rarely
because you're normally things are just that you've been through,
so you're banged. It's rare that that guy's playing thirty
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nine better than he was at thirty. The Brady's of
the world are not normal, and neither are the Al
two bays. But at some point in time Al two
b' is probably gonna hit two forty in his career,
you know, but probably you know, thanks slow dev Maybe
maybe not, Maybe he'll just walk out and hit two
eighty and three hundred no matter what. But in Paine's case,
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he right now he's righting high on the hog Man.
It's it's a life's good for him ft brother father
time yep, undefeated.
Speaker 6 (55:30):
Well we can continue this conversation if you want someone
three two one two five seven ninety. Once again that
someone three two one two five seven ninety.
Speaker 5 (55:38):
But coming up.
Speaker 6 (55:39):
If you have high expectations for guys like this and
you're disappointed, well then that's on you. I'll explain here.
It is a Sean Salisbury show, Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
This is this Sean Salisbury Show. Yes, yes, that's very nice.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Now with that fresh leather scent. First on Sports Talk
seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
All right, Sean, what are you hearing out there now?
Speaker 3 (56:09):
The Salsbury's takeout sALS brief takeout on.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
The Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 6 (56:28):
It is a Sean Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven nineties.
Strows two nothing winners over the Phillies last night at
Dyke and Park.
Speaker 5 (56:35):
They're going for the sweep today.
Speaker 6 (56:36):
Fred van Vliet back to the Rockets on a two year,
fifty million dollar contract extension.
Speaker 5 (56:41):
And I told you he was common sound right, let
me back that up a little bit. I told you
he was coming back. He was gonna he was gonna stay. Yeah,
he was gonna stay.
Speaker 6 (56:49):
Yeah, and for half the money that you would have
paid him if you picked up his team option. And
no surprise in the NBA draft Cooper flag number one
two and you know, Dallas mavericks that contract. He just
signed the extension. That's what that's the value. I mean,
that's what he and it's a good one.
Speaker 5 (57:04):
But that's a guy who gets it and a team
who understands the value, and they've agreed to it. It
didn't take long and he wants to be here, and
that's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (57:10):
Well, I mean it's also where I mean I mentioned
at the time you were spending at a point of desperation.
You're not at desperation anymore. It's hey, do you want
to be a part of this? Oh yeah, I want
to be a part of this?
Speaker 8 (57:20):
All right?
Speaker 5 (57:21):
Well then here you go two years twenty five per
how about that? Yeah? That sounds good to me.
Speaker 6 (57:25):
So that's how it all works out for Fred van
Vliet and the Rockets.
Speaker 5 (57:30):
All right.
Speaker 6 (57:30):
So I didn't know that ac DC is currently on tour.
I guess they're over in Europe. And somebody posted a
video of one of their performances and Sean, let me
just say that fans are not necessarily impressed with ac DC,
who has been performing now for over fifty years at
this point. And it was a video of them singing
(57:54):
Highway to Hell, and one fan commented on the video,
I really wanted to see them this year. Now, I
don't thank you for this. Another one, this is so painful.
Speaker 5 (58:03):
They don't sound good in pro they don't sound good
the acoustics getting to that. This is so painful. They
just need to stop.
Speaker 6 (58:10):
And in one video it shows Angus Young of course,
I mean, you know him dressed like the schoolboy up
there at the guitar, doing the kicks across the stage
while he's playing, you know, all of those different things.
People saying yeah, absolutely, and still is, and people saying
he's the guitarist equivalent of Mick Jagger, because Jagger is
still at his shows, has the energy, he's you know,
(58:31):
doing all the running around everything. I'm sure bono for
you too, because you know he's got that huge circular stage.
So of course when streets have no names, start playing,
he starts running around the stage I five and people
doing all of that.
Speaker 5 (58:44):
You know, you've got.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
To you have a certain mindsets of how you want
to remember these guys. And that's where again the expectations,
and if you're disappointed, it's on you. Because I went
and saw Motley Crue a couple of years ago, and
even before us them had people telling me, oh man,
it's not the same. You know, Vince, he can't hit
the notes anymore, all of these different things, and I
(59:07):
was like, of course he can't hit the notes anymore,
because you're thinking of him when he was like twenty
two years old, so yes, of course he could back then.
Speaker 5 (59:15):
Oh man, Mick Mars, Mick Marris was like sixty back then,
what do you think he is now? He's a grandpa
up there on stage. The fact that they're performing and entertaining,
it's more of the sentimental value that the sentimental part
of I'm going back to see ACDC. Right, you know
that they're not, but I can say that about there's
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very few who at seventy show up at a concert,
not studio, not putting laying down tracks and studio at
a concert and you say, sound like I remember him
forty years ago. Of course, voice again a little different.
They may not be able to hit certain high notes,
all those things. They could still hit the guitar. What
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did you expect? Do you think you're going to be?
I mean now, some like when I listened to Elton John,
Elton John sounds the same now is for Joel rare
though that that's rare so and especially heavy metal hardcore
rock bands, you're gonna They're just part of It's the
entertainment value for me. I kind of know what now.
(01:00:21):
Listen when I sit in person in one of those
cozy atmospheres and all of a sudden, Barry Manilo is
sitting on stage, I expect them, you know, crooning and
singing love songs, okay, But when you're out there and
you're you know, banging on a guitar and you're going
crazy and fireworks are blowing and all you know all that,
of course you're not gonna sound the same. And there
are certain parts of your voice they just aren't gonna
(01:00:42):
get It's the same. The opposite is when you're young,
people say you hit puberty yet, and we hit puberty.
Didn't sound the same at thirty as you did at sixteen.
So yes, you go in knowing, and my expectations are
I'm just here with my These are the people I
grew up with singing, Beth. I hear you calling when
I was dancing at my high school day really, and
so yeah, I'm sure some they sounded like their old ways.
(01:01:05):
And I'm sure certain songs you know, would you say
it was Highway to Hell, Highway to Hell? Yeah, yeah,
I'm sure parts of it sounded good in other parts
so well, it didn't quite sound when they were thirty.
But that's okay, So going in, you gotta limit those.
I ask anybody in the stands, are you as good
or doing the same when you were singing your karaoke?
Were you better at thirty or better at eighty five? Okay?
(01:01:25):
I just to me, we are ridiculous in our expectations
of all these stars, players, athletes, that we expect them
to just be oh at twenty we want, we want
Aaron Rodgers to be who he was at twenty four. Sorry,
it ain't happening.
Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
Have you ever noticed that, you know, speaking of like
those eighties heavy metal bands like Motley Crue, like like Guns,
n' roses.
Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
White Snake. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:01:49):
Have you ever noticed that rock stars at a certain
point start to look like postman apausal women? Oh yeah,
like Vince, Like Vince Neil came out on stage and
he's wearing this like long shit, I don't even know
like what to and I.
Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
Was just like, what the hell is this? If you stuck,
if you can throw a little yes, you could.
Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Say Axel Rose, it's at Axel's best looking days are
behind Axl Rose. I hate to tell you, there's no
question and you start to say, man, they're morphing into this. Okay, yeah,
but you know what it's it doesn't matter. It's I'm
going to ac DC. I pretty much know what I'm
getting and I'm just there. If there's a sentimental that's
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part of my childhood growing up. There'll always be legends,
even if they don't sound the same. I'm there and
enjoying the with with you know, friends and getting after it.
It's kind of like my generation that was when boy
bands were really starting to fire up. You know, you
had all the bands out of Orlando, Backstreet Boys and
sync O Town, whoever it is, and the choreography was
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a huge part of it. That's like going to see
them in Vegas Backstreet. Let's just say, ah, you know
their choreography is not as good. Yeah, because again, they're
not in their early twenties any more. Now, they're in
their mid to late forties, maybe even touching fifty at
this point.
Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
Yeah, they're not going to move like they did. Sorry,
Michael j you're not gonna hit the same notes, Michael Jacksorry,
moonwalk won't be the same if he was alive at
eighty five as it was when he was twenty five.
It might not get He might he might not pull
it off the same speed and urgency, but the effort.
Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
Hey, Elvis can't do the hip things that he used
to do because he'll break his hip if he does it.
Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Right, if you were still with us, right, but you
know what, Oh well that doesn't it doesn't matter to me.
It really. Adele's voice isn't going to be Adele's voice
when she's seventy. There'll be hits of it in certain story.
By the way, just dealing with her Laker agent, that's
a right, right, And that's her guy.
Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
Who, if I'm not mistaken, I think he's Fred's agent.
Rich paul I think he's Van Fleet's agent.
Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Oh nice, nice, I think so. So yeah, he might
be right, but you know, doing her thing. But listen,
it's just all of it. It's not the ACDC thing.
It's all about us and our expectations when we go
into an ac DC concert.
Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
There's the parts in whatever the I'm trying to remember
what the sequel.
Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Sometimes they sounded awful and I mean domading on acoustics
when you were going to concert at thirty some of
them missed.
Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
You just didn't know what you're listening to. That's exactly right, Yeah,
that's exactly right. Well, I'm trying to remember, and somebody
can hit me up on Twitter with the scene what
the sequel was to Knocked Up where Paul Rudd and
Leslie Mann and I can't remember the classic rock act
that he was trying to revive, and they were putting
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out like a DVD set with it too, And one
of the guys in the footage goes, you can't show
the footage from the seventies and then fast forward to
now it'll freak people out, because again his point was
people remember them as that and then you're coming to
him now and all the guys are old, gray and
you know, elderly and everything else, the sort that you're
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just like, oh yeah, hey I've gotten older and so
have they. Like that's it's it's all part of it.
Like some of the rock acts, you go, you know,
I go see now, I mean I remember. I'm like
when you know, we were in the late nineties or
early two thousands and we're all young then, and then
you see them now and they're up on stage and
you got gray hair, and you're just like, God.
Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Yeah, but you know, I don't do that. We stand
the test of time, though. It is still pretty cool.
Speaker 8 (01:05:23):
I know.
Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Sometimes it's like an actor, it's been an a list
or a list or a list, and then you start
seeing them in kind of backup rolls. It hurts, but
used to, you know what, try to get the best
of them. And why would I blame them for wanting
to continue what they've known for sixty years led Zeppelin.
I would love them to tour and use Jason Bonham
john Son to be the drummer, right, it'd be awesome.
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But do you actually think they sound the same.
Speaker 11 (01:05:48):
No?
Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
I guess what, They're going to make a comeback and
we're all flying to Wembley Stadium to watch them in London,
and you know it would be a great venue because
of who it is and a brit band. Right, do
you actually think they sound the same? Probably not. Jimmy
Paige still with us, Oh yeah, okay, yeah. The only
one of the four of the originally is that that's
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not is Bonham. He passed away earthright is Notwithstanding I
think that Jimmy can probably still Page and John Paul Jones,
I mean they I mean you're talking about four rock
and ru I mean not just a band, but four guys.
If they were out, if you said who's the best
drummer in the world, Bonham is going to be in it,
Who's best keyboards? John Paul Jones going to be in it?
Jimmy Pace, They're all going to be in the top
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five or ten at their position as musicians. Right and
overall they're one of the best bands, in my opinion,
the best rock band ever. I love them and i'd go,
but I know going in that I may not get
him at their best. They may be able to pick
that guitar and hit the drums the same. I get it.
If Bonham was alive and his kid can play but
you're not. You've got to go in knowing this ain't
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nineteen seventy five Stairway to Heaven. It's gonna be a
little different. Somebody may actually be able to do them
better than they do themselves at this stage, and that's
a comple admit to them, because who doesn't want to
emulate led Zeppelin. So it's just all the perspective you
go in with it.
Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
It's the perceptionist side right now of Britney Spears. But
Britney Spears gets up on stage and you're like, oh,
she's not like I remembered, of course, because she's not
a teeny bopper anymore.
Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
I mean doing Pepsi commercials with her g string hanging out,
showing out of her out of her jeans or whatever. Yeah,
it's changed a little bit, and she probably doesn't sound
the same. She's lived a complicated life, she sure has that.
There's a part of me that I'm sure some of
it was self inflicted. But how can you not feel
sorry for somebody when you got to fight your own parents.
That's not a good thing.
Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
Well, I mean we saw it with Elvis Presley too,
the Colonel, everybody else unbelieva. Everybody needs a Priscilla, because
that's the thing is Priscilla finally came along with the
colonel and said, here's your money, go blow it in Vegas,
and he did, and he faded off to oblivion.
Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
You just yeah, there comes a point in time when
when when you battle in life and then battle in
family too. That's hard to do.
Speaker 6 (01:07:56):
But you also have a lot of Colonel Truthers out
there too. That's say that he looked doubt for Elvis,
and it's like, sure, there's a little bit of both.
Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
I absolutely there's the truth usually lies in the middle somewhere.
Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
Dan, Yeah, it usually does usually, But yeah, not a
very good gambler was the colonel, and that's eventually what
got him. But anyway, let's get into a little bit
of rockets because the Fred van Vliet News I am
pretty sure it's signaling one thing, and I think rocket
fans are gonna like it. We'll talk about it here.
It is Sean Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.
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The seven o'clock hour, seven ninety listener line is presented
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Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
We'll talk with Ari at nine thirty.
Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Someone three two one two five seven ninety is the
number two get in and Sean yesterday we see the
news about Fred van Vlietz. And you know, as I'd mentioned,
even before they had declined the team option, he was
set to make forty four point nine million a season.
I would say that twenty five per is significantly less
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than that goes even further, Evan Sadiri, who is an
NBA contributor for Forbes, reporting that the Rockets are soon
going to waive Jock Landelle to create eight million dollars
in additional cap flexibility. And there was even another report
out there from Sham Sharania mentioning that Kevin Durant may
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be willing to take a pay cut in Houston as
he has a chance for a two year, one hundred
and twenty million dollar contract extension for the Rockets, but
may take the cut for some additional pieces to be
brought in to help the organization win a championship. All
of that spells out to me, Sean, they're going to
make a run at Yannis.
Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
Why would you at least Annie up, at least Anny up.
You may have to fold because it just states too much.
What you don't want to do is be left with
three dudes on your roster, and I'd be a hyperbolic.
You get my point, ladies and gentlemen, starting lineup Jannis, Kevin,
Durant and Can't VanVleet and Cam Whitmore's coming off the bench.
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We're only starting three because we gave away everything. We
had no assets left to get him. That's the point
of diminishing returns, where you're you're you're robbing Peter to
pay Paul. The problem is you're taking three steps back,
take two steps forward, and then two steps back. Take
one step forward and then four steps forward to take
two steps back. You don't want to diminish and completely
dismantle your team for one cat, but if you don't
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have to, you at least got to find out what
it's going to take. You saw what it took for Durant.
It's going to take more for Giannis. I would imagine.
Now the question is how much more and what are
you willing to part with to get him? This would
be considered one of the great off seasons of all
time if you were able to get Durant and Nis
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and then it validated and then it parlayed into a
championship and you're starting let's just say it's Giannis a
men Thompson, van Vliet Kevin Durant. Let's say you had
to part with shn Goon and part with Jabari Smith
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a couple of draft picks, and let's say your fifth starter,
I don't give me it. I don't care. Who did
cam Wittmore is in a line? I don't care. But
whoever your fifth one is, is it worth it? Your
shamee Guon's gone, Jabari Smith gone. You get Giannis Amn Thompson,
Kevin Durant. Hell. I can put Durant at the two
if I need to correct. As matter of fact, I would.
I would think at this stage that's kind of where
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I wanted Fred van Vliet. And then you pick of
the guys that are still creating value, whoever you want
in that lineup at the you know, at the three
or wherever is it worth it? Yes, it is absolutely okay.
Then then you got only not only do you got
to kick the tires when they you know, they sit
around and say, hey, minimum buying. Get in the game.
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And if you're not, you can't win power Ball without
playing the numbers. You got to.
Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
You got to get in because at this stage, I still,
even at his advanced stage, have one of the still
best scores.
Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
In the game.
Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
And I've got one of the best, not one of
the best, probably the current best all round player.
Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
In the NBA. Yeah, I mean Jokicic is in the category,
but you're talking about guy runs the court and does
oh well, he's in that photo. Then the team pick.
There's no doubt. I yeah, man. And remember he's also
been first Team All Defense. I think was he Defensive
Player of the Year? I know his first team All Defense.
I think the year he won the MVP, he might
have been first Team All Defense or it was a
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year after. But yes, you're getting a guy in the
prime of his career. You're getting a Kevin Durant who
can still score. We'll put it this way. That's fifty
five points. That's forty eight or fifty to fifty five
points every night.
Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
NBA Defensive Player of the Year the same year he
won the MVP in twenty twenty, I think there's all
I know, four time All Defensive First Team.
Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
Right, So a Jordan did it? Not many have won
both in the same year, and Giannis is one of them.
So with that, you're getting Dan. Think about this that right,
there is fifty fifty five points a night isn't it
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maybe not fill it, fill it in, fill it in
the rest of the way, minimum of fifty So fifty
two to fifty three. Let's say Joannis what twenty seven,
twenty eight, twenty nine a night, Kevin Rant twenty five,
twenty six, twenty seven at night, fifty three to fifty
five points a night, right there, falling out of bed.
Pretty good. You want more scoring, you want more shooting.
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You get in that two man game with those two
ain't bad. Plus you don't have to play. You know,
Giannis is gonna sit down and play with his back
to the basket. He's pretty good at pulling you out
and attacking the rim and stuff too. So yeah, I
do it. You have to. You have to since it's
not done, and there's I mean, people talk about the knicks.
You have to throw your You have to absolutely annie
up on this and and at least get in the
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game with the buy in. You just have to.
Speaker 6 (01:15:59):
It's it's That's what I've said from the beginning, even
after they got eliminated by the Warriors. Is at least
be willing to listen and clearly where fell Stone is
because I mean a lot of people took his words
in the postseason press conference of I would bet on continuity.
He didn't say we were going to be continuity driven.
He just said I would bet on it. And he
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still left himself that open door of, oh, but if
we got an opportunity, we're adding, you.
Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Got to play. I mean you got at least play
the off season game, right, I mean, you never know
what's going to happen, and if you don't play it,
then you're automatically out. And I would imagine Giannis is
probably also saying that intrigues me as well. That situation there. Now,
Milwaukee's going to make that decision based on what if
I'm Milwaukee, I'm holding out for the best deal. I'm
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not doing anybody any favors. But this is Giannis prime
of his career, still has MVP basketball in him. He
obviously strengthens the defensive end as well. When he's committed
to it, which I imagine he would be. You have
to buy in man.
Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
Plus, I've been told on good authority that he is
a huge fan of a certain Greek place here in town,
and the wife went to Rice.
Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
It's built, an honest, the store is open. Why the
hell wants to live in Milwaukee, send a private plane
when because this is a trade not free agent, they're
still there, but they're owned by somebody else at that point.
But I wonder if Milwaukee we're trading man, go ahead
and take that private flight. It's not tampering. Go to
take that private flight to Houston. Get on that visit.
We're trading you to one of these places, and we're allowed.
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You know, if the team says, go seek a trade,
go do what you have at it. But uh, he
could go a lot of worse places. You know, we
automatically think, well, it's going to be the Knicks, it's
going to be the Lakers, it's gonna be it's gonna
be someone who's needs one extra body, right, Well, this
are the Celtics going to jump into this with. Well,
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if you're the Celtics and you jump to guess what,
you're gonna have to give up people like Jalen Brown
and you don't want to do that. So if it
enhanced your team, and Giannis would be an enhancement considering,
you just got to make sure you don't completely that
you're not playing with three cats because you had to
give everybody up to get him. That's a lot of
assets on the way out, but you're the way in.
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You're going after one thing in mind, and it ain't
in twenty thirty. It's to win a championship in the
next two years to compete for it. That's why in
the next matter of fact, they probably have aspirations like
Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City right now thinks they're going to
win again next year, and the Rockets are not far
because the way they're building it is extremely similar. And
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they showed already you can play against those guys and
you can beat them twice when you when you did
coming out of high coming out of college, his one
year was again Zaga right Coulgrin when he when he
left Minnesota go to Chicago right high school, Holmgren came out.
We said, explosive, a great talent like the Portzinga could
could run the court and do it all. But look
what we're talking about him now, shot blocking on the
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defensive end. So you add another way. I mean, so
those guys, you're getting something else out of them. So
they're building it the right way in Oklahoma City and
they got a championship ring. I think that the Rockets
are headed in that direction. Cowboy Darrel. See you want
to get in on this, We'll let you do that.
Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
Also continue the Rockets conversation. Giannis is the possibility we'll
discuss here, Sewn Salisbury show.
Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
Let the celebration start more.
Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Sean Salisbury on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
Morning Cowboy Daryl Wells up.
Speaker 14 (01:19:27):
Man, I have mentioned, Man, I'm a lone time cayle
periodically that sometime.
Speaker 8 (01:19:32):
I work out of the area. But I want to
welcome into the show. Man.
Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
Appreciate it. Man, good to hear from you.
Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
Yeah, Sean, how you doing? Man? I want to uh. Man,
It's just gonna be hard for Santa.
Speaker 14 (01:19:44):
It's hard for me to think that san Antonio is
just gonna give up and Giannis, Man, I mean I
think they I think they're really gonna go after him.
Speaker 8 (01:19:53):
I like to see it, see him here in Houston.
Speaker 14 (01:19:55):
Man, I just find it hard to see that san
Antonio is not gonna go out out if by chance
we don't get in. What about people like Jimmy.
Speaker 8 (01:20:07):
Butler, or maybe.
Speaker 14 (01:20:12):
I think Butler is somebody that a brandom ingram supplement.
What we got to have a plan be because I
can see some moves being made, you know, to where
they are.
Speaker 8 (01:20:25):
Trying to bring somebody in. I'm just gonna hang up
on this.
Speaker 14 (01:20:29):
And I mean because you know, guys like Malik Malik
is out there, Jimmy Butler, McKiel, Bridges, brandom Ingram, you know, Malik.
Speaker 8 (01:20:37):
Monks, you know.
Speaker 14 (01:20:38):
I mean, I'm just throwing some names out there that
that that that could be a possible beat, possible be plan.
Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
But anyway, hey Darryl, real quick, real quick. We got
to go and we only got ten seconds. But do
you not think, as they said, what if they had
to go to the season just like that are right now?
Are they not a championship team or they still want
to move away?
Speaker 8 (01:20:57):
I think they'll contender.
Speaker 14 (01:20:58):
I think if they stayed away there now, I think
Kevin Durant is gonna have to.
Speaker 8 (01:21:02):
Play a bigger role than what we in chance, you know,
than what's designed. I think she's gonna have to play
a much bigger role.
Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
Man, sounds good.
Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
Appreciate you, brother, Great to hear from you, Thanks, Daryl,
good to hear from you. I mean, and that's I
think another reason why you would make another move is
Kevin Durant, on its surface and himself, is an offensive upgrade.
I gave you the numbers yesterday, But I mean you
also want to take into account that he's going to
miss games, you know that, because that's the way he's
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been during his career. And also, I mean you don't
want to put everything on him at this stage of
his career. So I think if you're able to go
out there and get somebody else that can kind of
be a little bit of a two headed monster there,
then you like your chances of being able to do that.
And we'll see if indeed that's what Rafelstone and the
Rockets decide to do. Let's get back into the astros conversation,
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because this guy is the most underrated astro in twenty
twenty five. I don't even think close. We'll talk about
him right here. It is Sean Salisbury Show, Sports Talk
seven ninety.
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Afternoon, matt nae for you to see if the Astros
can pull that off. KPRC two's Ari Alexander reporting the
Astros we're in discussions with Jeremy Paine on a five year,
one hundred and five million dollar contract extension. Does report
that still discussions in play, and.
Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
We're gonna about to say was fluid fluid still ongoing,
So uh Ari Alexander gonna join us nine thirty from
KPRC two and Fred Van Vliet back with the Rockets
on a two year, fifty million dollar contract extension.
Speaker 6 (01:23:17):
Seven one three, two one two five seven to ninety.
Getting back into the Astros conversation, Sean, as I'm watching
the game last night, we see the string of lefties
that the Astros throw out there from the sixth inning
on Steven Okert, which hard to argue. At the inning
he had one out, strikeout, two outs, same deal number three.
Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
Do I even need to say it again? That's how
his sixth inning goes.
Speaker 6 (01:23:38):
Then you get the seventh from Bennett Sussa scoreless, still
good there. Then you get the eighth out of Brian
King and then of course the ninth out of Josh Hater.
Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
You're able to lock it up to nothing win.
Speaker 6 (01:23:48):
The most underrated player for this twenty twenty five team
has a one to fifty seven e r A twenty
three games, and he's want to know he's also got
a couple of saves to his ledger. Yep, he's one
of those four lefties. Benetsusa has been an absolute godsend
for this bullpen and for this team this year. And
I don't think anybody despite what we got in twenty
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three in September, when he wasn't on the roster at
the time that he needed to be on the roster
for in order to be able to participate in the
twenty twenty three postseason. But still you have him right now,
and he's a guy that's ramping up and giving you
a chance to believe that this team can accomplish some
things in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
We got to think about what you're saying. First of all,
he wasn't on your Bengo card to be this guy
this year, correct, not even close. Thank you. Secondly, high
praise by you, and rightfully so, and validated by him.
I want you to think about this. Could I say
that about five other guys? You could? I mean, I
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know I'm with you, but but I'm adding to it
why it's impressive and there's no argument here.
Speaker 6 (01:24:55):
Brian King, Stephen Oker too, there's three. I feel like
this guy has been.
Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
Now do starting. Now do the starting pitching. Colton Gordon,
there's four. Now do Jake Myers, Jake Myers. There's five.
See my point? Those career step ups underrated? Uh sneaky value. Hell,
it's not even sneaky. They're right in your face taking
care of their business. So while you got him at
the top of the list, I could have Ari can
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come on here, Gordy can come on here, I can
come on here, Triple E can throwing. We can all
pick a different cat and be validated. If I take
Jake Myers over you, if I see you Ben at
SUSA and I raise you Jake Myers, can you argue it?
It's it's arguable, it's not a rise, and it's also
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opposed to you know, different roles you're being asked. But
just we talked about underrated in this thing and what
they're doing. Dude, A three hundred hitter from a two
twenty guy. I can make the argument you mentioned Oker
couldn't make the argument King's been He gives up three
hits and then what that's the worst he does and
(01:26:06):
he still gets his business taken care of with that
giving up runs. So we can go Hell, it's impressive,
and your choice of Susa is extremely valid. Hell, I
can also throw in and he wouldn't win it. But
in truth, how in the world can't you throw in
the third baseman the way that he's played this year?
(01:26:28):
Peretis has been outstanding and leads a team in home runs.
Speaker 6 (01:26:33):
You knew that average wise not going to be great,
but still ops wise fantastic out of Peretis eight twenty
seven and he's playing a really good third base defensively.
Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
So the point is, and you are extremely right because
I know you've been on Seus's jock in a good
way for a while. Now you know what I'm saying,
and right rightfully so, and I'm with you. You can
line him up, that's the great thing. Pick him out
of a crowd, you know, and they say in the
light up pick the most underrated. You know that that
gal like when you're watch it like blue Bloods. And
(01:27:06):
she's eighty five and saw him on the street and
she can't quite figure out, well, I don't know the
number five? Step forward right, And she's like, well, I'm
not sure kind of number three. My name's Carl right right,
And all of a sudden, and all of a sudden
you got Donnie Wahlberg, who's pissed, right, Oh gosh, okay,
thank you, And then she goes out because he's always
(01:27:27):
mad on the show. You know, Dottie's constantly mad on
the show, Sergeant Reagan or whatever. And so it's the
same here. Okay, oh, Kurt step forward?
Speaker 8 (01:27:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (01:27:39):
Him?
Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
No, what about SUSA? So it really is one of those.
And in truth, those guys the underrated I don't want
to say underappreciated, because we sure as hell appreciate him
here in Houston. But the guys you said, hey, man,
give me five guys that aren't gonna make a huge
impact this year, And I'll damn well tell you probably
(01:28:02):
could have named something. Well, yeah, we'll see. Jake Myers,
no way, did you have this. If you did, put
you on yourself on a light detector, because you're lying
your ass off. So validating you and SUSA, but also
I can put four more in the category that we'll
get a vote, which is crazy. There ain't no unanimous choice,
and that's a good thing considering the way that the
(01:28:24):
they've been hurt and banged up this year.
Speaker 6 (01:28:25):
I raised your Blue Bloods for a CSI Miami. Horatio Caine, Oh,
pulling off the glasses that's because you killed her Ray.
Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
Yeah, yes, it's the dramatic. The dramatic part. The glasses
come off while he looks at the war. If he's outside,
he puts them back back back on. Right. The sunglasses
are the key for for Horatio h as we like
to call him, the hurricane is not going to be
the only thing storming Miami. And it kicks into the cut. Right,
(01:29:00):
that's exactly that's it. That that that's the way it is.
And he'll get rexlln as as his bad cop. Yeah,
and I love him too, dude. The big dude is
because you're going to prison. He's always angry too. Have
you ever noticed? Oh yeah, dude, he's always he's always mad.
But I love the fact his character's perfect. Well was
(01:29:21):
on that show, So yeah, you're you're exactly right. You
could raise and I'll see you and raise you n C.
I s Mark Harmony, so we I mean you could
I mean Jeth throw Gibbons and I can actually roll
myself right back to Commissioner Frank Reagan. Somebody gives you
the brooding constant family love, but that'll be all yeah, somebody, Well,
(01:29:42):
I mean, you know, you've got Tom Selleck there to
kind of rein him in, and I mean and and
Gibbs is there to reign in Denoso, because Denoso, for
all of his great qualities, is kind of a pan.
He's a knuckle. He needs babysat. Yeah, little mature on
the show just at Ohio State. That's exa havitable was
ZeVA comes in and they got there, you know, good
(01:30:02):
for him, but damn. But yeah, when you think about it,
big fantasy. Oh yeah, as a matter of fact, her
and Tony, Yeah, coming out with a new show. I
think I saw that. Yeah, yeah, it'spent off. So I
she stole alive, Yes she is, she is, apparently. I
you got to you got to keep an eye smart too,
very smart. That's exactly maybe the only one smarter than
(01:30:23):
Mark Harmon probably in there. And but I the brooding
part of it. But yeah, man, there you go, step up.
I liked you raise me to H, but there you
take the step back. Frank Reagan and Mark Harmon ain't
that bad. H was dominant though. The sunglasses were the key.
Those the sunglasses were the key. He did it, but
he did. That's exactly what happens. That hurricane we're expecting
(01:30:45):
will be nothing like the hurricane you're about to see.
And then yeah, the open of the show.
Speaker 6 (01:30:53):
Then him at the end of the credits right there,
walking away, walking away from the exploding car.
Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, don't don't. Hey, let's not short
change Gary Sonise is right, could bring it and the
dude out of New York in Vegas too. Yeah, what's
the lead guys there? Name in real life? You know,
I can't the longest lasting one because that was the original, right,
So there you go. Good group of brewders. Yeah, definitely. Uh.
Speaker 6 (01:31:20):
CBS had that market cornered with the n c I
S and CSI. Then they keep pumping them out and
on for forty years, you know, Seal Team. Oh yeah,
all of those good stuff man, and the ones I
still want to I can still you know, hear jim Nance,
you know, during an NFL game.
Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
I mean, of course, when Letterman was still going.
Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
This week on Dave, oh yeah, that was always his
This this week on Dave and like you said earlier,
were talking about Pat Summer all off the air sixty
minutes except on the West coast.
Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
And then Angela Lansberry murder. She wrote, She wrote, dude,
I've told you I interviewed him, which was there are
certain interviews that come on in the course of your
career that you get and you like, cherish it, you
don't want it to end, but you're a little nervous, yeah,
and how far? And you're it's Pat Summer. I don't
want to take too much of his time, right And
it's a voice of the NFL. And I don't know
(01:32:10):
how can I dabble in joking and laughing or do
I got to keep it, you know, just be yourself.
That's all I have. And that's what I was when
I interviewed him, and Keith Jackson a similar feeling voice
of the NFL with Madden and Great and the most
understated great play by play man of all time, the
rosebul the sen Gabriel Mountains. He dropped back Aikman dropped
(01:32:30):
back hit Irv and he'd say it'd be downing distance
first and ten Aikman back to pass complete to Michael
Irvin for fifteen yards layout, give it to Madden and
here goes Madden. Get it right by going Craig, get
it right back to him the second down into the
hand to him at Smith Boom boom, Madden right. And
so I had Pat Summer all on, and I'm going
through it, and I said, I gotta do it because
(01:32:52):
I'm that guy. The worst I could say is no.
But I'd be more different if I didn't ask. Right,
if somebody comes on and has a like, does a
great voice, and you can't get Frank calli Endo on
without asking him to do a voice print. And Pat Summer,
who widely know you knew it when he was the
eighth and people probably forget that he was the eighteenth
tower guy for golf pre Jim Nantz. And I had
(01:33:14):
him on and I said, Pat, you have to After
a while, I said do you mind? I said, well,
you do you mind? I said, do you mind? Giving
us a We're at Augusta at a golf tournament. The
tournament's winding down, they're walking up the eighteenth Fairway, and
you got a promo sixty minutes and what follows sixty
minutes and dude on cue and he didn't know I
was going to ask him this, and I'm such an idiot,
(01:33:36):
but he said, you know, said, he goes, he goes, uh,
coming up next on the West coast, sixty minutes, followed
by he goes sixty minutes, except on the West coast
because you know it's earlier, he said. And it'll be
followed by Angela Lansbury in Murder, she wrote. And there's
a long hesitation, she wrote, and then you listen like
Joe Bucket, those guys imitation. It's like people started to
(01:33:58):
give ten second preg pauses for that. But the way
he said it with that voice, I dropped the mic.
I said, thanks, Pat, interviews done. It's all I needed
to hear that there's nowhere else we can go. That's
exactly right. So that's a walk off. Dropped the mic
and let's go. That's right.
Speaker 6 (01:34:12):
Real quick story the Madden Miller like commercials him running
through the wall. My brother used to tease me a lot,
obviously being the older brother, but he he told me
that John Madden was going to run through the wall.
And so every time I saw that and there was
a home video of me of the commercial was on TV,
and I freaked out and ran out of the room crying,
Oh you did.
Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
I was like five six years old. I didn't know
any better.
Speaker 6 (01:34:33):
Tough lessons learned earlier, maybe even younger than that, but still,
you know, thinking that like the kool Aid man, I mean,
I could absolutely have that of you know Madden.
Speaker 5 (01:34:43):
Hey, guys, you know what's Miller time right now? I
wish they'd bring those Miller like commercials back. Oh they
need to, Yeah, some legendary ones.
Speaker 6 (01:34:50):
They kind of dabbled a little bit trying with JJ
wattson to Duke Wilson by G Miller.
Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Yeah, they've they've they've tragendary. Yeah, hell, you know, would
have been nice. You know, the Bob Ukers of the
world and stuff. You know what I'm saying, must be
in the front row, right, Those were the best commercials
of all time.
Speaker 6 (01:35:07):
That was one of my favorite meetups of all time,
meeting that guy.
Speaker 5 (01:35:10):
Phenomenal.
Speaker 6 (01:35:10):
Oh dude, I mean all I did was ask for
a picture, but like still, it was a He's the
every man's man, mister ucker, can I have a picture?
And I told myself, don't call him Harry Doyle. Do
not call him Harry Doyle. He'd laughed his ass up.
Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
Probably, Oh yeah, just a kid just outside. Very nice
meeting you, a young man, the guy you want to
have a beer with, and every door you go in
just it didn't matter that a locker in the Brewers
clubhouse was one of the guys.
Speaker 6 (01:35:35):
Major respect. Yeah, no doubt very much, Steve. See you
right there. Get you involved in the Astros conversation. You
want to join up, you can do so. Seven one
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Speaker 5 (01:38:02):
App, Steam Clean Steam Cleaning my buddy. No, no, no, no,
he's from He's from the Golden Triangle. Now there's no
G at the end of cleaning. Yeah, cleaning, there you go.
You can't add the G at the cleaning.
Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
No, but and you might even be getting fancy if
you put the apostrophe right there.
Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
We love our guy, Michael. Sorry, you show up corrector
you don't show up at all. There you go, Where
do you find a raspberry beret? You know, secondhand store? Nice? Nice?
So if you go in there, no matter where you go,
if it's a secondhand store, which there used to be
more of them, that's where you find a raspberry just
going there.
Speaker 6 (01:38:41):
Like Montross and Heights, they got a bunch of those.
As soon as you walk in, it's right there on
the left. Yep, there it is raspberry, I know it.
Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
Yep, yep, there he was.
Speaker 6 (01:38:50):
Or as soon as you walk in, it's either that
one or it could be the you're kind of surprised.
Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
She was right Princes Rasberry beret like Menawa talk guy
was right there you go, There you go, and you
lived up there too during his heyday too.
Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
Sorry, I gotta believe that it was kind of like
Bunbee is here, that it was all up there. It was,
Oh Prince, Yeah, he's one of ours. Yeah, his name
pulls a ton of weight. Yeah, I mean it's his town.
So even after all, I'll tell you who else is town?
It was when I was there was Kirby Puckett, Oh
you want to talk, put it this way, and the
closest too.
Speaker 5 (01:39:27):
I can compare to him with the way nice guys
people love them time for fans, great talent. You know.
The three that remind me of that. I was saying,
Sean who the first three that come to your mind?
And there's a lot of great people that did. Are
Hall of famers that didn't act like it that people
(01:39:48):
loved that. Two of them passed away way too soon.
They impacted And I've been fortunate to be in all
three cities when they were at their best. And that's
why I say these three guys because I know the
feeling al Tuve here. I don't know how is anybody
more beloved in their town than he is here now.
Kirby Puckett Minnesota, dude was a shorter version. Let me
(01:40:10):
tell you something, dude, one of the best human beings
of all. People loved Puck And I was there when
the Jack Morrison they were winning World Sais, which was
really cool. Tomorrow Night right and Tony Gwyn Yeah, everybody
loved him. Two of them, if unfortunately passed away way
too early. Sure impactful serve their community. The only thing
(01:40:32):
Tony didn't get to do that the other two did
was win a world championship. It was in one right, right,
he was in yea, his career was winding down. The
Astros are on the wrong end of that one, right.
So those three guys, But yeah, I was in Minnesota
with that Sterling Hitchcock. Yeah yeah, how's that for a name?
Speaker 8 (01:40:54):
Right?
Speaker 5 (01:40:55):
How are you getting beaten by a guy named Sterling Hitchcock? Right?
So when you talk about beloved, you know, we talk
about who's the most beloved here. There's a lot of
beloved athletes in Minnesota, some of the on the Allen
pages of the world, some of the current plan. But
the beloved that goes beyond the field and all that
greatness is just like the guy that you just like,
(01:41:16):
feel like you got it when you see him, you
want to get him a hug. That was Pucket, That's Altuve.
Tony Gwyn is giving as any dude I've ever been around,
and treated me like gold in my family. I loved
him and I miss him. But all three very similar
in their approach to everything and just precise in dynamic performance.
That's why it's.
Speaker 6 (01:41:36):
Crazy because his son Chris does the Padres radio, and
one of my things I'm driving around and especially late
at nights, is to listen to like, you know, Dodgers Padres,
whoever it is on the West, you know, because I've
got the package bill listening to those games and you
hear him talk and you're just like Tony, he's still
with us.
Speaker 5 (01:41:54):
Sounds exactly like his dad. It's crazy, it's it's it's nuts,
but beloved, just like Alto Bay, just like Pucket. But
you're right, Prince, while the athletes did, it was still
if he walked into a game, if you took all
the celebrities of Minnesota were big at that time and
Prince walked. You know who's getting the most attention, Oh yeah, him.
But he was just one of the dudes. So it
was a good time to be in Minnesota. Quick story here.
(01:42:15):
So somebody I ran into randomly at a bar once.
They were talking about they started a new job, and
it was one of those introduced yourself to the group
kind of an icebreaker, tell us something interesting about you.
And one of the new people was from Minnesota and
her icebreaker was I went to Junior High with Prince,
and yes, he actually was really good at basketball because
there was The Chappelle Show and he loves hoops. Would
(01:42:36):
you guys loved Should I say, would you guys like
to play some basketball? And he would go to games
and loved it.
Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
Afterwards he served us pancakes, right, she'd liked some grapes.
Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
There you go, ititches, there you go. So he's and
he's still hell maybe even in his death, may still
be the most beloved guy celebrities in that town. And
speaking of people who left us, Charlie Murphy challenge him,
you you will not win. So yeah, that wasn't hyperbole
when it comes to him. So good.
Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
Yeah, man, absolutely. Anyway, still talking to the astros, you
want to get in on that. You know how it
goes around here. It's fair game. We've already talked a
little bit of rockets too. Don't forget Chris Gordy gonna
join us to start off at the final hour of
the show, and same for Ari Alexander in the bottom
of the fourth hour. All of that still ahead right
(01:43:25):
here it does is Shawn Salisbury Show Sports Talk seven ninety.
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Speaker 5 (01:43:34):
Cash, Steve, You've been patient. Welcome on in. How you doing?
Speaker 8 (01:43:38):
Good morning, guys, can you hear me?
Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Okay, very well, how are you?
Speaker 8 (01:43:42):
I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 15 (01:43:43):
You know one guy you guys left off you talk
about the Miller like commercials, was Rodney Dangerfield.
Speaker 8 (01:43:48):
Of course, Oh my god, that guy was hilarious.
Speaker 15 (01:43:51):
But you know, I wanted to talk about the Astros.
And if you guys have already went over this, I
do apologize. I just got it into the vehicle. But
you know, if you'd have told at the halfway point
that the Astros would be in first place by five
and a half games with this, with this pitching staff,
with Alvarez not playing, uh, with Petas Uh coming in,
(01:44:14):
and to be honest with you, I don't think we've
missed a beat at third base.
Speaker 8 (01:44:19):
With his with his bat, with his glove.
Speaker 15 (01:44:23):
And if if the season ended today, I would have
to say that Joe was spotted would have to be
a top candidate for for Manager of the of the Year.
Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 8 (01:44:33):
It's it's amazing. I mean my thing was even coming into.
Speaker 15 (01:44:39):
This Philly series, I thought, okay, well, you know it's
going to end here and I'll be I'll be darn man.
I mean, good pitching will be a good batting team,
I guess every just about every time.
Speaker 8 (01:44:51):
The other thing.
Speaker 15 (01:44:52):
About this team is it seems like in the past
we've always played down to the competition, the A's, the
teams that were below us, and we've always lost to him.
Seem like this team just has a way a knack
of pulling them out. They always seem to do it
after about the fifth ending or after the you know,
the the starting pitchers out. But I'm I'm amazed. Now
(01:45:14):
we're getting into the you know, the heart of the season,
you know, July and August. But if they keep this up,
I would be amazed. So I'll hang up and listen.
Good here hearing you guys again. Been in the hospital
for a while.
Speaker 5 (01:45:26):
But oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 8 (01:45:29):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 15 (01:45:29):
Man, it's good to listen to you guys again and
hearing hearing all the all the jokes and.
Speaker 8 (01:45:33):
The voices again.
Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
So y'all have blessed.
Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
Thanks Steve, Steve, I'm sorry, hope everything's okay. Yeah, absolutely no,
sorry to hear that. And uh, you know, Steve, You're
always welcome here, man, and good to hear you're on
the other side of it. But uh, I mean, you
know he's he's right, Sean. You know, we've talked about it.
Speaker 6 (01:45:50):
I mean it's pretty much been a theme for about
the last week and a half of you know, the
Astros being able to reel off wins like they have,
winning series at the very least. I mean, I'm trying
to remember, what's the last series they lost. It was
the split in Oakland. But aside from that's I don't
even know. Have they even lost a series this month.
Speaker 5 (01:46:10):
I'm trying to think. I don't think they have. They
had a split, as you said, right right within the
four gamer. I don't think they have. I don't think
they've I don't think they've lost a series this month.
I think they've won everyone.
Speaker 6 (01:46:21):
So two out of split, two out of three in Pittsburgh,
two out of three in Cleveland, and then yeah, I mean,
because that's when the stretch started with the White Sox twins,
and then yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
The only one was a four game split, right, So.
Speaker 6 (01:46:32):
I mean, you've got to go back to May was
the last time they did, and yeah, it was the
Tampa Bay Rays. Was the last one, because then they
took three out of four from the Mariners and then
two out of our two straight from the A's and
then they split with the Rays. That's what brought him
into the month of June. So I mean that just
(01:46:53):
shows you how good of baseball you're playing. And as
I mentioned earlier, you're sixteen and six in the month
of June two.
Speaker 5 (01:46:59):
So that's getting it done.
Speaker 6 (01:47:01):
That's that's being able to piece this thing together as
best as possible. Look, you know, and it's I had
a call last night on the Tenth Inning Show talking
about and you know, there's there's a little bit of
luck involved. And I said, damn right, there's luck involved.
If the Astros are able to pull this thing off
in the LCS and the World Series and we've got
another parade downtown, we're gonna be talking about all the
(01:47:21):
great things. And then, of course you're gonna have people
and I'm not saying this person was saying this as
a detractor, but you always have those people.
Speaker 5 (01:47:28):
Oh well, but look at how lucky they got you.
Damn right, they got lucky.
Speaker 6 (01:47:31):
There's a reason why teams don't win these things back
to back hardly, if ever, and that's even the teams
that have the most in their sports. It's a handful
of these things. It ain't a bunch of them. You
can give me the Yankees all you want, my God
like miss me with pre World War Two, with all
the all the world championships the Yankees won, they played
(01:47:52):
like ten teams.
Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
Oh when's the last time they won one? Two thousand
and nine, it's twenty five. I wanted what's happened in
your life from two thousand nine to twenty twenty plenty? Yeah? Okay,
So while it's a historic franchise, doesn't mean a hill
of beans day can close it out. But there's a
lot of teams that have got close. Now, the Yankees
obviously all respect, but I don't have to the Babe
(01:48:16):
Ruth doesn't play anymore. Neither is Lou Garritt or Joe DiMaggio.
So Mickey Mannle and Derek Tet aren't on the team.
So they're good a lot of respect, but the Astros
do not have to take a back seat to any
of them, and especially that team. Well, I mean switch
sports too. Let's good to the NFL.
Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
I mean two of the benchmarket organizations in the NFL,
or the Steelers in the forty nine Ers. Forty nine
Ers mid nineties was the last one they won. They've
been to a couple since, right, but still I mean
mid nineties. And then the Pittsburgh Steelers the last one
they had won was eight.
Speaker 5 (01:48:46):
Yeah, then let's see they went. They've been to Kyle Shanahan,
there's been Garoppolo and Purty been there. The team that
lost to Baltimore Ravens was there and pre that had
to be Steve Young beating the Chargers, wasn't It wasn't
their last Super Bowl wins, Dan Humphries, Yeah, one, that
their last win. Yeah. Yeah, So it's been a hell
of a it's been a hell of a run. And
(01:49:07):
the Steelers, who Tom's never had a losing record, but
they haven't won a Super Bowl since Ben was there.
So the Lakers in the NBA, well, aside from twenty twenty,
it's been a while. Well, the Dodgers before they took
care of their business in a short season, I mean
last year at nineteen eighty eight was the last one
when Gibson hit the ball in the right field seats.
Speaker 6 (01:49:29):
And by the way, with the Lakers, if you want
to know how that championship has thought of Alex Caruso
the other night, if I'm not mistaken, even said now,
it's nice to have a real championship.
Speaker 5 (01:49:40):
Listen, they deserve it because it was under the rules
and they want it under that umbrella. But I don't
know many players did say, now you know you won
the ring twenty years scenario, we won this ring. Maybe
it won't matter that it was an abbreviated season, But
in truth, most players feel like that, did you want
to do it the full season against all the competition,
(01:50:00):
when everybody's right and everybody's healthy, and the stadiums are
filled and Caruso's got two of them, And I would
imagine this one's a tad bit more important because it
was over the course of a full season.
Speaker 8 (01:50:08):
Right.
Speaker 6 (01:50:09):
Rumor says that somebody wants to apologize to you, Sean,
so going to give them that opportunity to be able
to do.
Speaker 5 (01:50:15):
That apologize for what? Oh, I don't know, I'm gonna.
Speaker 6 (01:50:18):
That's the rumor in the in the payoff is coming up.
And then something that we had talked about yesterday but
didn't have a chance to get to. I want to
be able to get to it right here, because speaking
of strays, somebody threw one out there. Who oh you'll
you'll find out again right here. It is the Sean
Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Why You're back. This is the Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 5 (01:50:40):
Get back at it. Ryan wants to weigh in. Ryan,
good morning. How you doing morning, fellows? How are you
all doing? Very well?
Speaker 11 (01:50:49):
Man?
Speaker 16 (01:50:50):
Something about getting home from work and just being scared
about these Uh the fields scare.
Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Me, man, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 8 (01:50:56):
I ended up over indulging.
Speaker 16 (01:50:58):
In the garage watching the game, and uh my Twitter
fingers got a little happy, and Sean, you caught as straight.
The USC childrens have wonderful white jerseys.
Speaker 5 (01:51:06):
I should, but I was wondering what what when when
I was laughing at it. You don't know me in
any apology, dude. It's all in good fun. But I'm
trying to figure out, at what point in time have
I ever oversold the Trojans?
Speaker 16 (01:51:20):
You have it, that's the point.
Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
So you're about so basically what you're saying, you can't
handle your liquor. You're an amateur.
Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
No, that's not what Miller lights tastes really good in
the garage.
Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
That's that's a fact, and that's why I didn't even
think twice about it. It's and I would imagine we've
all been there. It's like, okay, then you look at
I wonder and you know what our jerseys are. They're
they're just traditional and cool, but they're not gonna they're
they're not gonna wow anybody or or what do we
call road whites or what is it? The the the
alternate jersey. Yeah, no, you're good, brother. You don't know
(01:51:55):
me an apology, and I'm of all the people, I'm
actually honored that you would have thought of me while
you're drinking. So I appreciate it. Matt in my trojans.
I hope they play better.
Speaker 16 (01:52:03):
Yeah, the uh hater. He makes me nervous every time.
Speaker 8 (01:52:08):
I know you shouldn't.
Speaker 16 (01:52:09):
But it was a good win, Gordon. I'm happy he
went out there and just shut him down. Is a
good time. It's a good game. And excited to see
what they do for the rest of the season.
Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
You think, do you think, No, you're good brother, have
that it, man, but we'll have we will go after
somebody else's jersey, and I'm with you, my man. Hey,
real quick, do you not think they're a championship team
right now, or do you think there is something missing
from them being a championship Yeah, you'd like to hit better,
but you like what's going on? Do you think this
team can win a championship? How they are right now?
Speaker 16 (01:52:40):
I think what it is is I always believe they
can win a championship, but it's we've gotten so accustomed
to either one just beating the crap out of teams,
or we're double play machines that can't ever score runs.
And then you just you don't have no idea, and
it's just this roller coaster of emotions. And as an
Astros fan, you seeing him win it twice, and yes
(01:53:01):
twice for anybody who says that they haven't, they have twice.
You you have this certain level, like an expectation your
mind as to what they're gonna do, and when they
don't do it, you think the sky's falling.
Speaker 8 (01:53:11):
So it's just it's this biased I have.
Speaker 9 (01:53:14):
I think they are a championship team.
Speaker 16 (01:53:16):
I just need to get out of my head and
stop worrying so much unless the guys do what they
know they can do on the field.
Speaker 7 (01:53:20):
Nah.
Speaker 5 (01:53:20):
Many look, it's part of being a fan.
Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
Love and Ryan, we appreciate the call, buddy, Thanks, but
appreciate you, see, buddy, Yeah, you know I've I've been
on Ryan's level numerous times with uh, you know, getting
after it, and then the uh, the twitter, the twitter
streets start at least creeping up on you, and the
temptation is too much to uh to.
Speaker 5 (01:53:41):
Just can't resist grabbing.
Speaker 6 (01:53:42):
Yeah, and it's and it's it's at times got me
in trouble, but also at times, you know, you feel
like maybe this is some of my best works, so
maybe I need to dabble in these waters sometimes.
Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
Why do you think people reached? I mean why is
why do you think the people that's their first reach
when they start drinking?
Speaker 6 (01:53:58):
Because you're talking about Yan you were just mentioned. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I would say that probably like.
Speaker 5 (01:54:03):
A bottle of courage is similar to that's it. Yeah,
it's it's beer muscles. It's one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (01:54:11):
Because you see something and annoys you, maybe even irks
you a little bit more, hell, even pisses you off.
So then you're like, oh, what do I care. I've
had a few, I don't have any inhibitions.
Speaker 5 (01:54:20):
I'm ready to go. And then you know, then that's
that's the road you go down. You wake up the
next day and you have a lot of inhibitions.
Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
Well, because then you see that blue bubble that has
responses and you're like, oh, yeah, so that one. I
would just say that, you know, in Ryan's case with
the Miller lights, I've been there. And also to for me,
like my my go to of choices vodka that if
you drink enough, it starts to become the water effect.
And I'm sure there's somebody out there we shouldn't drink
(01:54:47):
that much. Well I have okay, you can get over it.
Is that it becomes a point where you almost don't
even taste the vodka.
Speaker 5 (01:54:55):
That's a problem. Dan. I'm good, you're allowed. There you go.
Speaker 6 (01:55:00):
Then the next day I was hungover and I recovered
and I was just fine, you're at the house watching
the sporting of it, and that's no harm to Pixie
and Chaco are there, they're good. Let them out beat
them treats there you go. Yeah, I don't know. I
would Ryan.
Speaker 5 (01:55:12):
I actually thought it was funny because I'm like a
our white jerseys. Yeah they're pretty cool. They're old school.
They just don't oh they don't. But that's the way
see wants it. They don't put names on the back
of their jersey. They kind of like just it's like
Penn State. You're gonna get the same look all the
time for the most part, other than a few subtle changes.
Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
See.
Speaker 5 (01:55:28):
And I never knew either that we still wear black cleats,
that you could run out with the teams they're charging
you no, right, and that Penn State fans did it
last year at SC. Yeah, and they're like, all right,
all right, we like they came to SC to run
down the tunnel for Penn State with USC, right, but
like fifteen grand or ten grand whatever, five grand certain
(01:55:49):
levels they're now doing that and they're applying it to
the athletic program or whatever they're doing. So, yes, do
you want to run down the tunnel with the USC Trojans.
It'll cost you.
Speaker 11 (01:55:58):
So.
Speaker 6 (01:55:58):
I mean, I've seen Matt Liner, Reggie Bush like others
do the runout with Tommy Trojan's uh sword yep.
Speaker 5 (01:56:06):
Have they asked you to do it as a as
a lum Yeah? No, rat basket. I don't know. Well,
you know, what are we doing here? They'll get to me.
I'm an ss Bush as a bee we're all the elves,
we're on the l's.
Speaker 12 (01:56:18):
No.
Speaker 6 (01:56:18):
I don't know if they'll get Peterson because Jock Peterson
did it once because I think he was supposed to
go there and I think his dad went there, but
he did it.
Speaker 5 (01:56:25):
He didn't he didn't end up going to school there.
I don't know if they will, but you know, I've
held that before when you're addressing the band as the
quarterback after a game, or I've I've ran alongside on
a for the program and I have the picture of
it holding the football, running through campus, literally running through
campus in my uniform with Tommy Trojan and the Trojan
(01:56:47):
horse running for campus. Yes, running through campus is one
of the coolest pictures. I need to get it like
painted or put on the wall like you would like
a playing because it was just kind of it's memorable.
It's Tommy Tropy, It's we got tom Trojan, we got
the Traveler of the horse, and I'm running alongside it
through campus and it was like holding the football while
he's holding it and riding the horse. Yeah, this is
(01:57:09):
a pretty cool experience. Yeah, so I do have that
at some point. I don't know why I've waited this long.
I need to get that blown up into like a
picture or have somebody paint that picture that they see.
Mike Bond's the ad there now right, Yeah, from Cincinnati.
You've been a couple of plays, Mike. If you're listening
or anybody knows Mike Bond, Yeah, unlet's do this. See
did we get a new one post? No, Mike's still there.
(01:57:32):
He's been there about three years now. I've been to
the Coliseum. I've walked in. Mike hired Lincoln. I'm pretty
sure it. Yeah, but I've never been to a game,
and I'd like to go. Oh you have to, yeah,
you just it's the Cosseum. Yeah, just just for the
history of it.
Speaker 11 (01:57:46):
I know.
Speaker 5 (01:57:47):
That's why I want to go check it out. I'm
actually shocked you haven't been there, Like I said, all
your college football. Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 6 (01:57:52):
I've been twice, just never been to a game. And
the second time I went, they were setting it up
for the NASCAR race.
Speaker 5 (01:57:57):
You've been to South Bend? Oh, yes, okay, that was
to watch the game. Yes, you gotta go. Yep, pregame
mass all of it. It was really really cool.
Speaker 8 (01:58:05):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (01:58:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
Dan Matthew, excuse, this is the Sean Salsbury Show.
Speaker 5 (01:59:27):
A lot of nerve.
Speaker 6 (01:59:28):
That guy has to check everybody else's time that they
spend on air. And then today he gets to have
a half day at school.
Speaker 5 (01:59:36):
Well, the show's after us. They'll they'll get some country
club days. God bless him. I don't hate I don't
hate them for it.
Speaker 6 (01:59:44):
We just never get most Just one of the astros
gonna play, you know, a game in Japan or something
like that where first pitch is at like four am.
Speaker 5 (01:59:50):
Are you whining right now? No? You know, do you
wanna do you have something you want to say to
the Maddie ballgame? I'm just saying, you know, what would
you say if you were drunk? To him?
Speaker 8 (02:00:01):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (02:00:02):
Checking everybody else's time card? How about your time card there?
Speaker 5 (02:00:06):
Brother?
Speaker 15 (02:00:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (02:00:07):
See I even weaved in a little bit of hul
Cogan there.
Speaker 5 (02:00:10):
What about your time card there?
Speaker 7 (02:00:12):
Brother?
Speaker 5 (02:00:12):
Yeah? But they'll get some country club days. Oh yeah,
you gotta love the day games. See Ross puts in
the time. Ross puts in the work, Matt, you know
every once in a while. Oh, it's a half day.
I'm gonna be at home today. So will Matt be
doing it from the crib? He will? Yeah, I would
think so.
Speaker 9 (02:00:30):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (02:00:31):
Man, you just came out firing, did you straight? That's
a semi straight. It's kind of a rubber bullet.
Speaker 6 (02:00:37):
I mean, yeah, I would say, if nothing else, it's
like a you know, a reminder joking around with your buddies,
a punch to the arm kind of de Oh.
Speaker 5 (02:00:44):
Yeah, it was the old little bug, the little exuberant
pat on the back. Slug bug. Yeah there you go,
right there, slug but yeah, I see a slug bug.
Boom boom. Right, No, that's it. I got you. That
makes sense, just to let you know. But at the
same time, you know, you're little jealous a little that
we don't have those.
Speaker 6 (02:01:03):
I'm just saying, you know, every once in a while,
if you if you guys want, we could get some.
Speaker 4 (02:01:07):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (02:01:07):
We had a couple of Rockets games in China, I
want to say, a couple of years ago that were
like five a m tips. Uh, they were exhibition games.
We could get those scheduled.
Speaker 5 (02:01:17):
Yeah. See the boss, the boss is giving us. It's
all about programming.
Speaker 6 (02:01:20):
Yeah, the program the programmer himself, Chris Gordy, he knows people.
Speaker 5 (02:01:27):
That's it. Yeah.
Speaker 17 (02:01:28):
Well, even even better, We'll tell Matt to take that
day off and you guys can call the game. How
about that call a Rockets exhibition game? Work on those
pronunciations of those Chinese things.
Speaker 5 (02:01:38):
Let me tell you something, brother, I'm all in and
you give me that I'm in. Yes, I always it's
like during the Olympics and when they when they have
to do the hockey and it moves fast where it's
like and I'm like, forget all winning the gold medals.
Is the toughest job in the world. Is being a
play by play hockey guy at the at the Olympics
Doc Emrick, Oh yeah, the best in the way, and
pronounced him like they lived with him. Yeah, hey yeah,
(02:01:59):
and he rolled through us. Yeah, wheels it around the
mar It's incredible, incredible and it's gonna be nicing. Gordy.
Even you guys wouldn't give us that day off. So
there you go.
Speaker 6 (02:02:09):
There you go, go, Chris, Chris Gordy of course, courtesy
of Carbach Brewing every single week here on the show. Gordya,
let's get into a little bit of astros here, as
I mean, they're able to pull it off again last night.
Let's just start here at one thousand foot view. How
the hell are they doing this right now? Fourteen games
above five hundred, shutting out the Phillies two nights in
a row, even without Bryce Harper, but still winning ball
(02:02:32):
games and now five and a half games up on
the Mariners.
Speaker 17 (02:02:35):
It's I mean, I've been absolutely amaz amazed at what's
happened these.
Speaker 9 (02:02:40):
Last two nights.
Speaker 17 (02:02:41):
To hold this Phillies lineup to zero runs over eighteen innings,
I mean, is absolutely insane. And then, guys, when you
compare it, you know, combine it with the fact that.
Speaker 9 (02:02:51):
They have four shutouts this month.
Speaker 17 (02:02:54):
If you remember when we started a month of June,
they shut out Tampa won nothing, then shut out Pittsburgh
three nothing in the in the win against Paul Schemes,
Like it's I can't remember the last time an Astro's
pitching staff had four shutouts in a month. Like you
probably got to go back to the Garrett Cole justin
Verlanders at Grenky days of a rotation. So all that considered,
(02:03:15):
with all the injuries, you have to this pitching staff
that it's nothing short of amazing what they're getting done
right now.
Speaker 9 (02:03:21):
And it's it's not just the starters.
Speaker 17 (02:03:22):
And that's that's a big piece of it, right, I mean,
Hunter Brown and from Rivaldo has been so good, but
it's the guys behind them. I'll step it up and
doing their thing, but then the bullpen to be absolutely
as nails as they've been this year. I mean, this
is this is hands down, I mean obviously the best
bullpen performance they've had since twenty twenty two when they
you know, they were like so Ount won the World
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Series with that bullpen.
Speaker 9 (02:03:44):
But it's it's crazy, guys.
Speaker 17 (02:03:46):
This bullpen has been lights out and amazing at four
shutouts in one month.
Speaker 5 (02:03:50):
Hey, Gordy, sit like they are now, injuries and all that.
Do you believe that there's a five star move or
kind of like a needle moving move that the trade
deadline or what's more bound, but what's what's bound to
happen or a big, bigger chance, a big move, a
three star move, or no move at all by the Astros.
Speaker 17 (02:04:13):
I'd say probably a three star move at this point, guys,
I would not be afraid to add another like a
utility man that could play first and maybe spell Christian
Walker just a little bit. It's it's like that meme
that goes around with Charles Barkley where it says it's
time to have a conversation. I mean, it's getting to
that point with Christian Walker, like it's it's it's almost sad.
(02:04:36):
I mean, it's a you know, you got to a
point where you felt bad for Josea Bray because it
was just so bad. It's getting to that point of
Christian Walker and I hate to make him the whipping boy,
but hitting two fourteen, it's, you know, we keep going, Oh,
it's gonna turn around, It's gonna turn around. No, it's not.
It's it's almost July. I mean, it's it's just not
gonna happen this year for him. It's just not He's
gonna have some moments. He'll have a day where you go, oh,
is he turned in the corner. The next day he'll
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go for four or four strikeouts, you go, no, it
was just a blip on the radar. So I don't know, man,
That's like the more and more I start to look
at it and go, how do you keep running him
out there every single day? And I guess he's making
a ton of money, But I would almost look, there,
is there a platoon guy? Is there a guy that
you could bring in that could play some first, could
play some second that you could kind of move around.
But that's kind of what I'm thinking, Like I don't
(02:05:19):
think it'll be a home run, you know, big splash name,
but maybe a journeyman somebody out there that could just
be an extra bat to add to this lineup.
Speaker 5 (02:05:28):
Again.
Speaker 6 (02:05:28):
Chris Corney joins this every single week courtesy of Carbok Brewing.
And I mean your point about Walker is incredibly valid,
and I think he goes to another point Diaz. I mean,
you're starting to see inconsistent playing time for him. Where
it's Christian, it's it's Victor Karattini getting the dh roll
that day, it's Victor Karattini behind the plates.
Speaker 5 (02:05:48):
I mean, is there even a little bit of concern
with Jiner.
Speaker 17 (02:05:53):
Yeah, I mean it's it's been a little bit of
a concern with with Janar Diez. You know, Karatina. I've
been saying, I've been saying this is last year. I
thought they should be more platoon, more fifty to fifty
between the two of them. So but yeah, I mean
the way they've been constructing the lineup, they've had a
lot of games, is Kartini dhing on days that Yannar
Diaz is catching.
Speaker 9 (02:06:13):
But it's funny.
Speaker 17 (02:06:14):
I was filling out the All Star ballot yesterday, which
encourage all of you guys to go to astros dot
com and cast a ballot and let's get Hosey al
Tuoven Germany Pinyon into the All Star Game.
Speaker 9 (02:06:22):
But it got to the catcher spot. I saw yannar Diez's.
Speaker 17 (02:06:25):
Numbers and I was like, oh God, it's just like
he was supposed to be one of the best hitting
catchers in baseball, and he was when he first got
up here, but it's just not panned out this year
for whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (02:06:35):
Do you think they can win a World Series with
the roster as it is right today, even with getting
Yard on back and he's good, but it just doesn't
mean it's a late to the party and he has
a good second half. He's not the even if he
has an MVP second half. Does this current structure, how
they are set up now, do you believe they're a
World Series team?
Speaker 17 (02:06:55):
I mean, right now, Sean, if we're just going off numbers, yep,
just going off.
Speaker 5 (02:06:59):
No, and your and your optics too.
Speaker 9 (02:07:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (02:07:03):
They are top five in all of baseball in e
r A and they are top three in baseball and
batting average. I mean, if you're if you're top five
in both those categories, you're you're playing winning baseball.
Speaker 9 (02:07:14):
You're doing something right.
Speaker 5 (02:07:16):
Be in top five in scoring and in you know,
like or in offense, and top five in defense or
sacks in the NFL, and we'd say that team's got
a chance to win the whole thing.
Speaker 17 (02:07:25):
Correct, Yeah, no, no, absolutely, their top five and saves.
Now there are number one in one category that's not good.
And this has been a category with the Astros have
usually been down in for the past decade, and that's strikeouts.
They lead the league in in in strikeouts.
Speaker 9 (02:07:43):
Well I should put that, sorry, maybe of a stake.
Speaker 17 (02:07:45):
They lead the league in strikeouts at the at the
on the mound pitching wise, So that tells you all
you need to know about a team that is gonna,
you know, sit you down.
Speaker 9 (02:07:54):
And and teams are not hitting.
Speaker 17 (02:07:56):
I mean when you look at what Hunter Brown and
frombervald does and those guys are doing on the mound
onent batting averages, it's like two hundred two ten, it's
like teams are not hitting against them. So anyway, it's
just one of those things. Did you look at with
the steam and go, you know the words World Series.
You gotta be awesome to get to the World Series.
But can this team make a run? Put it that way. Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (02:08:17):
I understand you're heading into the Manning Passing Academy this weekend,
so we'll dive in here at the end into a
little bit of college football. I'm sure you probably sharell
saw Steve Spurrier's comments that he made to Pat Duley
about arch Manning. Most people picking Texas to win the SEC.
They got arch Manning already winning the Heisman too. My
question is, if he was this good, how come you
let quinn Ewers play all last year and he was
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a seventh round pick.
Speaker 17 (02:08:43):
Yeah, I mean, that's it's kind of silly. I mean,
you know, guys wait their turns. Guys you know, they're
premier talents that aren't ready to step in and start
from day one. You know, you can make the same
argument about oh, why didn't Tua start over Jalen.
Speaker 9 (02:08:57):
Hurts at Alabama? You know what I mean?
Speaker 17 (02:08:58):
Like that, you could do that again against anybody. You know,
Chris Leak was the starter at Florida when Tim Tebow
got in. Tim Tebow was a generational quarterback. Tim Tebow played,
you know, he got into goal line packages as a freshman,
but he didn't start and Chris Leek won a championship.
So you know, it's just one of those things that
I think Spurrier is just kind of I think he's
having a little fun with it. But look, there were
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some UT fans that were yelling last year they thought
Art should have started. You know, there were there were
moments where Quinn was not great, But bigger picture, Quinn
gave Texas the best chance to win a championship last year.
That was just the bottom line, you know, And so
that's why he started.
Speaker 9 (02:09:35):
But I get it. Spurrier is not Spurrier without without
poking the bear.
Speaker 5 (02:09:39):
And and you know what's interesting about that, Gordia is
when he was coaching at Florida like a Danny Warfle.
I believe he coached Worfle there. I'm pretty sure was
under his time. Danny Worfle won a Heisman Trophy. But
Danny Worfle wasn't a Sunday player. I mean, even if
he's a smart guy and good player, but was on
you know, his skill level. And so Spurrier's coached guys
that went on that had a really good college players,
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but on Sundays were difference. And he knows that. He
also coached at the NFL. So it is Listen, that's
just to get a dig out of you, because right
now Steve Sperry was coaching college football, he'd love to
have Arch Manning as his starting quarterback in South Carolina
or at Florida. So Gordy on that what would it
What would it take for a Manning with a quarterback
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coach and a head coach the same like him, meaning
the guy who's calling the place. What's it going to
take for him not to be successful with all those players?
What would it take?
Speaker 9 (02:10:34):
You mean, like, if Arch isn't good, what were the.
Speaker 5 (02:10:37):
Chances of him I'm talking about failing at the position
an injury? Other than that, how in the world can't
he be successful with that DNA and that talent and
that coach because he sees something in him as well.
Speaker 9 (02:10:50):
Well.
Speaker 17 (02:10:51):
That's what's funny is is you think of his dad,
Cooper Manning was supposed to be the next big thing,
and you know, he was the the Mannings and you
know he was supposed to be the all everything, and
you know, injuries hampered his career at ol Miss and
so you know, so it is kind of interesting you
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bring that up because it is the what if you
know he had I think it was a spinal issue
or pitching of.
Speaker 9 (02:11:17):
The nerves or something like that that kind of ended
his career.
Speaker 17 (02:11:20):
Yeah, if something like that would have happened to Arch,
I mean that to me, that's the only thing that
could prevent this kid from being awesome.
Speaker 9 (02:11:26):
I think now. I have said this about Arch all
all offseason.
Speaker 17 (02:11:30):
When people have asked him about him, they say, do
you think he's going to be next level?
Speaker 9 (02:11:33):
I say, I think he's going to be very good
this year. I think he's going to be awesome in
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 17 (02:11:39):
And they've been pretty committed to saying they believe he's
going to come back for another year, that it's not
going to be one year starting onto the NFL. So
I think he's I think he has ups and downs
this year. I think he has a really good season,
maybe ten and two that make the playoff or whatever.
But I think twenty twenty six, they come back. A
lot of these pieces all come back in Texas is
fully loaded for championship run in twenty six Under there's
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a history of.
Speaker 5 (02:12:01):
The family that tells me he's gonna play well. And
his head coach is pretty good. I'm with you and
the Manning family. They've had a plan all along and
he may change. I see him playing two years as
a starter as well. I don't see him bolton right
away because the man it says he doesn't need to
and get more polished. So when you hit the ground
running as a rookie, ready to go, no doubt.
Speaker 17 (02:12:22):
Yeah, it all depends on how the season plays out, right,
I mean, like it's you know, if he has an
up and down year and they go eight and four,
then yeah, he's absolutely coming back. If they go undefeated,
they win the championship and he wins the Heisman, she's gone.
Speaker 5 (02:12:35):
Yeah, and he's gonna be the first man, Yeah, no doubt.
I mean where else you're going, there is no question.
It's all those things. But if you know, if you
take Manning in Texas or the field, you'd take the
field because there's so many good teams. But if he
has that type of season, Gordy that you mentioned, of
course he's leaving because there's no place else to go
but down. Even though the challenge is to win a
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second national title, which is hard to do in a row.
But I'm with you. I think this is in really
good hands. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 6 (02:13:02):
And so does Steve Spurrier and no kids, and we
finally get a chance to see what it looks like
this year. Gordy, I know, like I mentioned, you're heading
out to the Manning Passing Academy, but got a good
series coming up this weekend against the Cubs, get the
Phillies today.
Speaker 5 (02:13:17):
I mean, just prime conditions for Carbock Crawford and give
my best to that family.
Speaker 9 (02:13:21):
Brother.
Speaker 5 (02:13:21):
If you run into those guys, tell him I missed
the laughs. Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (02:13:26):
Yeah, absolutely, it's all. It's always fun to get out there.
Speaker 17 (02:13:28):
Just a Todd mcshake tweeted he's gonna be down there,
so it's gonna be a it's gonna be a big,
big affair down there. But yeah, if you're if you've
been out the ballpark the last couple of nights, man,
you've had plenty of opportunity to enjoy an ice cool
Crawford back and watch them dominant pitching from the Astros.
They have been certainly dominant, shutting down everybody. And man,
make sure you got a Crawford boch from our friends
at Carback Brewing.
Speaker 9 (02:13:48):
You guys will be out there.
Speaker 17 (02:13:49):
Dan will be out there today after the game, the
eight team will be broadcasting live and then a special
edition of the Crawford Box cast Today's six.
Speaker 9 (02:13:57):
Kevin Eschinfalder going to join Dan out there at Carbock.
Speaker 17 (02:14:00):
So make sure you guys come on by, and if
you head to the ballpark today for an afternoon lunch meeting,
grab yourself across the box from harbuck Berry sixty seven.
Speaker 6 (02:14:08):
Can't think of a better way to start the weekend. Gordy,
save travels, buddy. We'll talk to you next Tuesday. I
see you guys, all right, see you, Chris, Gordy Manning
passing Academy bound. That is something though that I do
want to carry over because I do think that there
does need to be a enough of a message delivered
to Texas fans. Because I've seen this movie play out before.
(02:14:29):
We'll talk about it right here. It is a Shawn
Salisbury Show, Sports TX seven ninety.
Speaker 3 (02:14:34):
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Speaker 6 (02:14:46):
Uh Football doing the Rockets and Astros studio work.
Speaker 5 (02:14:50):
And I did a game with him awahe football game
and where are we at Memphis? Yeah, And he called
the play by play and I was a color analyst
for the radio side, and he just, I meane, just
to talk about easy but you're working with him to
teasey up, and was just it was, is like the
game's overall?
Speaker 8 (02:15:06):
Right?
Speaker 5 (02:15:06):
Yeah, yeah, great guy, Yeah, for sure, he'll be a
great guest for you today.
Speaker 6 (02:15:09):
But the Astro's going for the sweep of the Phillies.
Hunter Brown gonna be on the mound against Christopher Sanchez.
That's gonna be coming your way noon with the Astros
on deck, Rossville Reale delivering that for you and Fred
Van Vliet two year, fifty million dollar contract extension with
the Rockets. All right, So to wrap up what we
were just talking about with Gordy at the end there
about arch Manning, I just I tell Texas fans be excited,
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because yes, there was the whole five star anticipation. He
gets on campus. You beat out everybody else to get
him there. You want to finally see him on the field.
I just whenever I see top ten lists, he's number one,
Heisman odds, he's got the highest odds, all these other things, Sean,
it just gets to a point where I'm like, these
expectations are so sky high, he's not going to reach them,
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and then people are going to take that as disappointment
he didn't live up to it.
Speaker 5 (02:16:00):
Yeah, that's the thing. And I would imagine him knowing
that family are prepared that no matter what you do,
it won't be enough. I'm not even just saying for
Texas fans, for the national media and the rest of it,
hopefully it will. You know one thing about arch Manning
that he's never done through all this, he doesn't talk
much about it. He just kind of he goes about
his business. If you're looking for a quarterback who's as
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highly pubbed as him, he works in about as much silence.
He does his business in silence about as good as anybody.
He really does, considering we could be reading him about Nil.
The truth is, if the Mannings wanted to push this,
is there a big is there just for you know
about their endorsement Kings and you know they do it all,
you know, just the whole of moving product of ROI
(02:16:43):
and your investment in NIL. If they really pushed this
and this was their biggest priority, he'd blow the field
away with his endorsements, because it's not just the local
stuff at Texas. He's people in Florida want to know
about arch Manning as well. Yeah, so he could, but
he tells me the focus has been on football and
getting this right. The rest will take care of him
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because he didn't transfer when he could have been starting
as a freshman somewhere else. None of that, and he
hung in. And Sarkesian is a big part of that
because they believe in him. But I'm going to tell
you what, knowing this family like I do, I fully
believe that he has prepared for If I win the
Heisman Trophy and we win a national championship, it still
won't be enough for some Oh well he threw for
(02:17:27):
forty two hundred yards, you know what, that picky three
you know how we'll nit pick at it. We will.
So in the terms of can he ever live up
to the hype? Well, what's the hype? You expect him
to be Brady right now and when or go out
and be the first guy since Archie Griffin to win
two isis that hype because he's arch Manning. Yes, you
can't live up to that hype, you just can't. But
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not living up to that hype. You could still be
the first pick of the draft and have a great
season and be a national champion. Because we are unrealistic
with this stuff. We just are, all of us are.
But I'll tell you who'll be more prepared for the
unrealistic expectations more than any of us. The family, the pedigree,
and that kid. Now, I don't know how he's going
to play. My assumption is he's going to play pretty
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damn well because he's got really good feet, he's smart,
he's a good, big sized body. He's one thing you're
not gonna have to worry about. Preparation and the mental
approach to the game. That's who they are. And he's
more athletic than any of them. He's more athletic than Peyton.
He's more athletic than I'll tell you who he's exactly like.
Is his grandfather. The most athletic of the group when
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they were playing in their prime is Archie. Arches is
close to Archie, closer to Archie than any of the
other two. See, people didn't go to watch Archie Manning
play could throw it, Archie Manning could run and kill you.
Archie Manning has closer to that Peyton and Eli weren't
beating you running. You can time them in no disrespect.
(02:18:53):
You can tie them with an hour glass, right, But
they always anticipate or smarter and never been through it
on time, all that stuff. So Archie arch is an athlete.
But I'm telling you now that while we all place expectations,
they have expectations. Nobody's gonna have higher expectations themself than
him and that family, but they will know how to
temper them. I assure you that the expectation you're exactly right,
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living up to the hype will be brutal because the
hype is blown out the way it's he can win
the Heisman Trophy and win a national championship, and for
some it still won't be enough because he's a manning
and we there's a blessing and a curse. Brother. The
blessing is good DNA, the curse is good DNA. Yeah,
And the expectations that go through, there's no doubt it's gonna.
Speaker 6 (02:19:36):
Be tested right out the gate too, right there in
the horseshoe against Ohio State. So we'll see what he's
got right there off the jump. But we are going
to switch back in the Astros because good buddy Ari
Alexander from KPRC two, he's going to join us to
talk about his report he had yesterday when it pertains
to Jeremy Peney. That's coming up right here on the
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you understand it. Where where do things stand at the
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moment with Painya and the astros Even after the news
we had a couple of days ago about Scott Boris
being hired on.
Speaker 7 (02:21:44):
It looks like the way stand is on hold because
even though Scott Boris has done things with Astros players
in the past, Lands for Colors and Josel two Bay
for the two recent extensions pulls, right now, it just
feels like everything is in a holding pattern because the
deal examscussion over the past several months was between paying
(02:22:05):
his former represented had been into and the Astros, And
so now Scott is evaluating it and station is this
a deal that we want to move forward with which
I would feel like is very unlucky or more leaning
towards Boris's mo which is Jeremy Payne likely unbelievable year.
I believe in this player. I think he can have
(02:22:26):
two more having an years ago into free agency and
get two hundred plus million dollars.
Speaker 5 (02:22:31):
All right, I see both sides. If I'm the Astros,
I might want to wait and see if this is sustainable.
I mean that he keeps doing this year after year, right,
I mean, you know, like another year this one and
maybe now I get why they'll be patient with it.
There's no rush now. On the other side, if I
was his agent Boris, I wouldn't take it. I would
twenty five million I would bet on myself. So let
(02:22:51):
me ask you, is there any chance that he takes
twenty five million for five years or somewhere in that range.
Speaker 7 (02:22:58):
I would say there's a chance because because this year
Jeremy spent the whole season interested in an extension, an
open pan extension. And the way that he feels about
Houston is this is in two and where he has grown.
He likes it here, he likes his veterans, He gets
along with everybody he plays with the World Series MVP
(02:23:19):
of this team.
Speaker 1 (02:23:20):
So from that standpoint, I.
Speaker 7 (02:23:21):
Don't think he has any issue. He was making an
extension staying in Houston long term, and the deal that
was discussed over the pawt Taians was one that was
a five year deal which would take him through his
a several month two season and still give him time
to sign another good extende, thirty good deal, another free
agent deal where he could maybe make another sixty another
(02:23:44):
ninety one hundred million and retire with huge career earning
seventy eight.
Speaker 9 (02:23:49):
The deal that had been discussed was set up.
Speaker 1 (02:23:52):
It was the win win deal.
Speaker 7 (02:23:53):
Damn so the get to sign him for a rate
that they felt was fair to Dastro is gonna break
the band and the last few of the two free
agent years at the end them and is the few
free aging years at the end there would have been
in the high twenties. From what I were, it's something
that sort of makes sense for both sides. But on
the other side, it's told he is, yes, he's having
(02:24:15):
his breakout year. This year for paying is different than
the other he was that he has had. And if
you are the Astros, do you want to take that
wait in for a year? I don't think you can
in these kind of situations because the approach and now
with Hunter Brown and almost the same thing happened there
was you could have done the talk of the thought
(02:24:36):
of an extension with him prior to lasts, you know,
and then he started horrendously and almost got you know,
set down to triple A. And then he's in down
with the sinker and becomes what is going to be
an all star pitcher. And now this is a guy
that turns it already too expensive for you to extend
in two hundred plus million, and so at some you know,
going to want to miss the boat with these guys
(02:24:57):
and pre arbitrary or extend at the point you don't
buy out arbitration years typically your team friendly and so
that necessarily I think at this point you've kind of
seen what you need to see With Jeremy Paine. I
don't ness that the heater in the playoffs in twenty
twenty two. He's good in the club out. He's the
second best player in baseball right now per b Wars,
(02:25:20):
and you know he has all of it in there,
and so even if he doesn't match that production like
his floor, is still a really good player.
Speaker 8 (02:25:28):
It's still a.
Speaker 5 (02:25:29):
Twenty plus million dollars player.
Speaker 7 (02:25:31):
And looking around in the league in shortstops, how many
guys right now are better than keep in mind on
the league and when he's playing at his works which
was parts of last seam around the twenty twenty three
that's still a three to four winning player.
Speaker 6 (02:25:45):
Yeah, all right, we're gonna get your connection check there
for a second. To put you on hold triple to
check with you is getting a little bit of skipping
on your end. But I mean all the information and
everything that Arid is laying out for us there, Sean,
I mean, he's one hundred percent right where you've got
a highly effective player being able to get it done
also offensively, defensively running the bases. But I mean a
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guy that Joas Boda even himself was able to identify
this year before the season to say clubhouse leader, a
guy that now it's his turn because Bregman's not here anymore.
You're looking for those guys to be able to step
up and step in and will continue. Now, all right,
we got you back. But I mean, how much of
a lot of this too is We talked about it
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earlier that Bregman being a Boris guy, he gets a
three year deal. Pete Alonso he was a under the
gun type of guy that got a shorter term deal.
That it's just unless your name is Otani and maybe
a couple of other guys, you're not getting that eight
to nine ten year deal anymore.
Speaker 7 (02:26:46):
Well, it doesn't have to be an eight nine ten
year deal. The shortstop contract that I think best compares
with what Jeremy payin you could get, Like if he
was a free agent, let's say right now, and he's
coming off of this season, and he's at the age
that he would be a free agent, which is age
twenty nine going into thirty. Is the Willia Domas deal.
That's not a Boris client, that's CAAA. But they did
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a seven year, one hundred and eighty two million dollar deal,
and that seems right now to be in line with
what PAYNYA could get in free agency. I imagine that
the two hundred number is something that Scott, Boris and
Paynia had discussions of. When Boris is trying to convince
him to sign with Boris Corp is saying, look, you're
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playing great. You're a two hundred plus million dollars shortstop.
You know a Damas got one eighty two, We can
get you two hundred inflation. A couple of years from now,
one hundred and eighty two million contracts is going to
be a two hundred million dollar contract, and so I
think that that's something you can look at. Bregman situation
was interesting because Alex is a very specific guy. Pete
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Alonzo's his market cratered a bit because he's sort of
a flawed player, right and he also wanted to stay
in New York. Alonso is not a very good defender.
He had the worst year of his career and his
platform year, which is obviously something you don't want as
a player. Whereas Bregman was coming off a great year,
but you didn't have all that many teams that really
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wanted to spend all that much money. They had a
lot of this money for Juan Soto because Juan Soto
is twenty six and this general rational player, where Alex
Bregman's a really good player. But they're sitting there looking
at their budget and going, I don't want to spend
two hundred million dollars for Alex Bregman, but I would
have spent five hundred million for Juan Soto, And so
that market kind of turned out into a weird way,
(02:28:31):
unfortunately for Bregman, and so they had to sign these
short term deals.
Speaker 9 (02:28:35):
Sometimes it works out.
Speaker 7 (02:28:36):
You'll get Matt Chapman, he had the one year deal
and then he did the extension the three year deal,
I guess with the ops, and then did the extension
under Scott Boris.
Speaker 9 (02:28:45):
So sometimes it just works.
Speaker 5 (02:28:47):
Out that way.
Speaker 7 (02:28:48):
But also keep in mind Jeremy Payne is a shortstop,
and if you look at the short stop market over
the past few years, Danzby Swanson signed one hundred and
seventy five million dollar deal, Xander Bogart signed two hundred
and eighty million dollar deal at Damis. Like I mentioned,
I think that there's a runways here for him to
get big money in free agency.
Speaker 6 (02:29:06):
Yeah, and you've been all over this story and we
appreciate you hopping on with us this morning to be
able to let us know some of those details. Again,
He's Ari Alexander KPRC two Sports. You can find him there.
You can also find him on Twitter as well. He
is Ari Alexander, and the L in Alexander is a
number one and he's got that blue check mark so
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you know it's him.
Speaker 7 (02:29:28):
All right.
Speaker 5 (02:29:28):
Appreciate it time, buddy. Always great to be able to
catch up with you.
Speaker 9 (02:29:32):
Thanks for having me guys.
Speaker 6 (02:29:32):
There you go, Ari Alexander again KPRC two. A lot
of good points brought up by him right there, Sean
that we can dive into. Robert Brandon, see you guys
right there, get you guys involved in the conversation. Here
it's the Matt Toms Show with Ross coming up putting
next as well, ten to two. Right here on your
home of the Astros Sports Talk seven to ninety.
Speaker 1 (02:29:51):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show.
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Speaker 5 (02:29:56):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 6 (02:29:58):
Where I still remember the first one hundred million dollar guys.
Of when you started to have guys that were signing
those deals like Piazza, a few of the others, you know,
Alex Rodriguez, you were like, oh my god, I can't
believe they're throwing out that type of money. Now we
went two hundred million, I mean, and that's the thing.
I mean in the NFL, we're seeing half a billion
for guys like Patrick Mahomes. So it's getting to that
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point where these numbers continue to go up. But I
also think that baseball teams get to a certain point
now where they're like, we're not going to do these ten, twelve,
thirteen year deals anymore.
Speaker 5 (02:30:31):
I don't know why you would. It's not for us.
I don't know why you would. Well, you look at
the articles recently just in football collusions happening when Bill
Bidwell allegedly or Bill Biddle Michael Bidwell, the owner of
the Cardinals, got on the phone with the owner of
the Chargers and Dean Spanos and supposedly had a conversation
(02:30:53):
that said that they were thanking each other going through
it about the Kyler Murray contract, that they were going
to keep the guarantees down so it would look good
on other people that they were pissed at the Cleveland
Browns raise the guarantee stuff on Deshaun Watson, and so
the collusion Russ Wilson's contract. You start to look around
and you think, are people starting to get to the
(02:31:16):
point where is collusion really taking place? Even if it's
part time of let's keep these guaranteed contracts down. And
in Major League Baseball number one, I just think it's
bad business. I don't know if it's bad business to
give your best player, but I think that they're going
to see more owners in the NFL try to limit,
not give eighty five ninety percent guarantee to a lot
of guys, maybe the sum and start to work their
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way back the other way. In Major League Baseball, I
think it's a dumb ass trend. There's no way so
too ten years from now is going to be you're
giving money away at that point in time, you just are.
And there's no way I would give yord On a
thirteen year contract because he he will not, he will
not play that out as far as six ages. As
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much I love them seven years of course, but it's
just it's there's no sense. Now you're nineteen and you
get it, but you're not getting it at nineteen. So
the point is is that I think you're really stretching
yourself with injuries and posts. You get him for six
and you got to pay him for basically, or seven
you got to pay him for thirteen or twelve. I
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wouldn't do it, just like I'll never ever ever never
ever never ever never never never ever oh Tani included.
They don't get a buyout now on a thirteen year
deal at year ten, you want to buy out a
year nine eight. Maybe we both want out year one?
Speaker 8 (02:32:37):
What kind of.
Speaker 5 (02:32:38):
Buffoon are you?
Speaker 2 (02:32:39):
Well?
Speaker 5 (02:32:40):
You tell me tell me why. Somebody make a case
for me. That tells me why giving a guy a
one year and I want to get Robbert. He's waited
long enough, but I want to. I want you to know.
To tell me why giving a guy a buyout after
one year is good. Tell me what you tell me
after one year in the prime of their career, Why
it's good for the team that gives the buyout. Give
me one reason. I can't think of it. You're a
(02:33:02):
bridge so they can have success and utilize you as
a springboard to go somewhere else. Now, if they stay
and they and they then they don't have a great
year and they're under the second year, they got to
buy out in the second year. Well, you give them
two chances to crush it, and that if you don't
want to pay them, they get to go somewhere else.
That's the that's the essence of a contract. I want
(02:33:23):
you under my umbrella for a while. Why am I
gonna let you have your biggest season and play your
and leave? To me, it's a I think you're I
think you are an absolute and if if if the
shoe fits to somebody listening to give a player a buyout,
you're just dumb. Let's get to you just I mean,
(02:33:43):
you may not be dumb, my cue. I just think
it's the dumbest move in a twelve thirteen year contract.
I would never give one. Real quick Corobert's Southside, what's
going on? Hey, thanks for Paul, I know that I
gotta be quick.
Speaker 18 (02:33:55):
I just wanted to say, I think it's really impressive
what the Astros are doing and they just need to
get They just need to win the you know, their
eighth pitching games. And also, I have a joke for
Yankees fans, why are the Yankees stuck on twenty seven championships.
Just send them a picture of out two of A's jersey.
Speaker 5 (02:34:15):
There you go.
Speaker 6 (02:34:16):
Hey, that's not even just a joke, that's a fact
for sure. Appreciate the call, Robert. Yeah, they love him
up there, and we love them even more down here,
and for good reason. So that's the Sean Salisbury Show
on a Thursday. He's Sean Tripley, Emmanuel Elmore, Dan Matthews,
The Matt Thomas Show with Ross. That is next right here,
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