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September 4, 2025 12 mins
Shaking back in Game 2 after a rough Game 1 loss, the Astros go on to even the series against their postseason rivals, the New York Yankees, now tied 1-1. Set for the rubber match later this evening, many are still in shock following Tuesday's Game 1 debacle between Framber Valdez and Cesar Salazar. With fans and even the league taking into account what went on Tuesday night, Sean and Dan share some of their own thoughts regarding the situation and what this could mean for Framber moving forward with the Astros and his career as an MLB pitcher. 
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But a couple of more things from the Fromber Salazar situation.
So we'll start it off first with some audio, if
you'll indulge me here. It's about a minute or so.
This was Joe Aspota yesterday about the whole situation, and
you know, like I said, some loose reports out there,
and Joe took a few minutes at the beginning of
his pregame availability with the media to address such things.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
So yesterday I obviously.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Met with Salazar and Valdez once I finished talking to
you post game, and I really wanted to get down
to number one was the asking him to step off.
I want to know about the top process, what you know,
whitch pitch, who was calling which pitch and what And
I wanted to hear from both of them. At the

(00:45):
same time, I wanted to have a conversation face to
face because I wanted to hear the truth about the
only entire thing that happened in that inning. I have
a lot of respect for both players, and I truly
believe that when they when we have these conversations, that
they're honest, and I want them to tell me the
truth and I want them to tell you guys the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Once they you know, talk to the media.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
So I don't want to get into specifics, but I
do want to say that I want to put this
behind us. There's a lot of speculations and stuff that
he's been said on media, which I don't read, but
they make me, you.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Know, people tell me what's going on, and I don't
like it.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
A lot. A lot of that stuff is not true,
but I understand the environment and the what comes with it, right,
So I appreciate it week and just get past this
and go back to you know, baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
So remember yesterday Sean I had said that something like
that I was pretty sure was coming.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Where it was. Let's get past this.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
You guys are making too big of a deal of this,
all of these different types of things. And I mean,
I don't really overall have an issue with what Joaspotus said,
but I mean it is going along the lines of
a report that was out there. Michael Schwab, who is
somebody on Astros Twitter, who I mean, at least does

(02:11):
seem like he has people inside the Astros clubhouse who
will give him some information and he's gotten some things right.
And in this case, there was a report yesterday from
him that there was a confrontation in the clubhouse that
some of the veterans went to Fromber and said that
ain't right what you did. You need to make it right.
You need to address it with Sesar Salazar.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
And go on.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
And I mean, you know, I haven't seen it from
anyone else, but at least that is out there. And
it doesn't surprise me if that's the case, because I
understand you don't want to do it during the game,
but you've got to be able to address that soon enough.
And I mean, again, we're going off unconfirmed reports on that,
but it doesn't shock me that something like that happened,

(02:56):
And it doesn't shock me that the Astros wouldn't want
something like that that out there.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Well, if it did happen. If it did happen, it
should have. And I don't know why the Astros would
have a problem with one that out there, that there
was a confrontation, because it tells me the players have
control of what they're supposed to have control over. I'd
very much want it out there. When Joe responds that
I wanted you guys to be honest with each other

(03:22):
and honest with me, and then you can go out
there and be honest when you tell it. That tells
me they weren't being honest. After the game experience, there's
no doubt and regard. I don't know if there was
a fight, I don't know, if there's an argument, I
don't know. I know this if it was an accident,
those are the worst optics between a catcher and a
pitcher I've ever seen. After that, nobody throws a fastball

(03:44):
on an off speech pitch and hits the catcher and
turns around and walks away to center field. If they're
concerned about what the confusion period you.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Can be asked me how you want.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
I've been in pro sports locker rooms on plenty of
times in my life, more than most sit or lists
and more than most that are actually coaching it because
I'm older than all of them. Is that that body
language will tell you everything in a locker room at
a clubhouse, trust me. And on the mound, when you
do something that affects one of your teammates, you go
to him. You don't walk away from him, and I

(04:15):
sure sec don't snap my head back at the picture.
I put my head to walk out there, call time
out right away and go and say pat my chest,
that's my bad, so the world knows it was on me.
That's the way you do it. So if the astros
are concerned about this getting out, it's already out. You
have a picture who's now lost a lot of respect
to Major League Baseball, who is a great pitcher but

(04:37):
needs to get his crap under control, to his teammates
if nothing else, period, and stop the emotional roller coaster
and act like a seven year old didn't get his
president at Christmas when things go sideways, and a lot
of his sideway stuff is self inflicted, no matter how
good he is. Those are just the facts here now
what they do moving on and the rest of it.
I respect his game, but you know what, if I
was on that team, he'd have been addressed as well.

(05:00):
They should have, and the astro should want that because
it tells me it's not a pussified clubhouse.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's what it tells me. Because if you let it.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Run rough shot, no, do it to him and get
to pick and choose who you do it too. That's
like being a boss at a place and treating the
intern a lot worse than you treat the star. No, no, no,
that doesn't work here. So if all the clubhouse stuff
we hear about the Astros is true, then that should
have happened. As a matter of fact. As a manager,
you turn the other cheek and you let it happen.
You make sure they police themselves, You make sure that

(05:29):
they babysit themselves. You shouldn't need to, and if you do,
you're in the wrong sport and probably in the wrong
position to be in. I'm talking to any man, It
doesn't matter. Those things get taken care of by the
right people. And I don't know if it's true or not,
but I can tell you this, I'd be more disappointed
to hear that somebody didn't address him in the clubhouse
as opposed as somebody or two or three players did,

(05:51):
because if that tells me that you just look at
each other say we're in the we ain't in this together.
So all this, this is a tight knit clubhouse, the
great leadership through all these years, and I think that's true.
Perfect opportunity to prove it was yet was what Tuesday night,
And let's hope they did.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
So.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
I don't know what the sources are, and all that
I don't care. I know this, if it is true.
Good stand up and cheer it till the high heavens,
because you need people to know your clubhouse is under control.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let it faster. I don't want to do this week.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
It's walking on eggshells, poor sensitive, old fragile.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Screw your fagility. Screw it.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Okay, I really I could care less about how fragile
somebody is, about some that just didn't quite go their
way in a ballgame, competitive or not. Don't be a
competitive a punk to your teammate. Competitive you, I can
combardmentalize you could be a punk and you could be
a prick, and when you put them both together against
the other.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Team, that's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
But when it's to your own teammate for God in
the world to see, nah, I'm not here for that,
and nor should they be.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
In another way, as Chandler, Rome put it on Twitter
as part of his story to quote get past it,
and he even used it in quotes Saesar Salas are
sent out last night with the lineup card in the pregame.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
You're only doing that for either an honor.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I mean, remember the Tigers did it when Jim Joyce
missed the call over at first base for Armando Galarraga,
and the next day it was kind of, oh, hey,
it's a nice.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Gesture for the perfect game.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah right, So, I mean, you know a lot of
times it's optics, empty gestures.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
But to me, it feeds into more mixed messages.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Why are you sending them out there if it's if
this is no longer a big deal, You've addressed it,
it's done, it's over with. Just send your bench coach
out there with the lineup card. You go out there
with the lineup card, if that's really the case. But
you're sending them out there. To me, that's pandering, it's playcating,
it's all of those things.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's a makeup call to make it seem like nothing.
It's okay to have.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Listen, here's what I don't do you think the Yankees
when Billy Martin and Reggie Jackson were there, cared about
these fights. Matter of fact, they loved them. They freaking
loved them. Derman Thomas did they friggin loved them? Thurman Munthson,
I'm sorry, Yeah, they loved them. Billion fighting in the
dugout there? Now, don't you want you fighting about behind
closed doors? I don't understand. Oh, listen, man, if you

(08:13):
don't know, you don't know. I've watched some of the greatest.
Now you don't want aybody get hurt and break your hand.
I've watched some of the best club locker room fights
on the planet, and if I told you one, your
jaw would drop. And if I told you the result
and who was involved, you'd say, no friggin way Terrell
Owens and he don't. Oh no, I never played for
either one of those teams. I've done about when when

(08:34):
when one is supposed to have no shot? And that
was one that's surprised me. Listen, listen, I mean that
you would, you'd be shocked. But it goes on all
the time. I don't know why we're I would I'm okay,
you don't need to let us know that he's walking
out with the lineup car. Why because here's a makeup call.

(08:54):
You'll show we're all tight and you know we're together,
We're in we're in sync. Okay, great, that's fine, I
get it, But do you embrace this? Can you imagine
going through one hundred and fifty games or one hundred
and forty five games wherever we're at now and not
having an argument with a teammate. Hell, people have disagreeance
with their wife every third day, or disagree this if

(09:15):
you oh I didn't it is or we're late. You
got to go pick up the kid. I mean not
to bad, but it's just it happens. You got a bed,
wake up. Hopefully it's good next day. It's not one
of those ones that you let it fester and be
kind in it and get it, get it over with,
let hash it out. So I just to me, it's okay.
A picture and a catcher went on the same page.
One was pissed, he acted like a child we've seen before.

(09:38):
The other got your third string catcher and coming in
trying to do a job and got oky dope.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
So it happens. We don't have to make it own.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
None of us are going to buy in the fact
that they're gonna go out to dinner and spend their
best friends after And maybe they are. Maybe it turns
it into a better relationship. I don't know, but I
don't know. Embrace it every day. You're not perfect. Okay,
you're trying to seek no nobody. Twenty six dudes in the clubhouse,
I got news for you. There's plenty of them. They
walk out there. I can't stand that guy, but they
respect him as a teammate. I ain't been in a

(10:08):
locker room where everybody loves everybody. If you do, then
your team's probably not very good. Okay, you need the guy.
I mean it's okay tread and lightly walking on eggshells.
Screw the A and I'm not walking on eggshells. Come,
guy's fragile in the clubhouse when he's my ace. Now,
I'm not worried about your fragility. Dude, you go handle that.
You're grown ass man. You pitch like one, like a

(10:28):
grown ass man. Now act like one all the time. Okay,
And but get when they go against each other. I
can't believe we don't hear more of it in baseball,
with all the with all the nosy nellies that get
involved in people you know in the clubhouse, there's plenty
of it. But I can't believe we don't hear more
about it, because you know what, there's plenty of times
dudes you're yelling and screaming, are mad at each other,
go behind, want to break bats and throw it.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
And I get it.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
It's a long season, and if you're not competitive and
the probably if that hasn't happened in your clubhouse, then
you probably.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Well you're in a church league. Hell, it probably happens
in church leagues. Two.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
So I don't have problem with it. Embrace it, man.
That tells me you're competitive and you're into it. What
doesn't tell me is when you disrespect your own teammate.
For God in the world to see, that's a problem
because if it happens again, he on accident. You know,
we're all gonna say accident, you're your ass. We're not
going to say it's an accident even if it was,
because well the history, and then we won't cut him

(11:23):
a brick. Address it, get it over, raise your hands,
hands my bad, and keep it moving and quit trying
to hide it. And oh we gotta protect now you
know how to protect it. They're growing ass, guys. Now
this is a strong clubhouse. I heard that for ten years.
Perfect time to prove it.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, I think you did last night with that comeback
win in the way that you got it, don That's
how you get things done for sure.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
So I'm sure that was a nice change of pace.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
And we will get into that too as well as uh,
you know, Sean pointed out a little bit of football
as the show goes along with Joe and Brad.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I know you want to weigh in on this. We'll
give you that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
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