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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're about the Shawn Salisbury show continues. Troy Aikman.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
He was on the call for the Kansas City Chiefs
in Houston Texans Divisional round playoff game. Obviously there were
some questionable calls. He voiced his displeasure with those calls.
He was on a podcast with Sports Illustrated UH and
he talked about getting the calls right in the NFL
with the officiating.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
This is how it sounded.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I I I know the officials have a they have
a tough job, you know.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I mean the scrutiny that they're under.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
As we've as we've gotten more advanced with incht in replay,
those guys, it seems, have become more and more scrutinized,
and the game has not become less controversial.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
The game has become more controversial. But then I just
think that we are at.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
A point and this this is tipped a little bit
because the league is in partners with a number of
these gambling services. So here you are promoting gambling. People
are gambling more than they ever had before, and those
types of calls are there's a lot at stake regardless,
but especially when you're considering.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
There's a lot of money that's changing hands with these
calls as well.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So I think that we owe it to the fans
that we get it right. And I think we're at
a point in time where we can't we can get
it more right. So that's that was really my position,
and just trying to lean on the NFL and say, hey,
you know, we've got to fix this.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
We've we've got to address it in the off season.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And that's Troy again, yea.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
And with that what happens is and I'll expand on
what Troy said, and and I don't want to speak
for him, but I'm assuming too what he means also
is with this betting change. And I don't think he's
saying that the referees are on the take. I got
I gathered and he's right, it's a brutal job. I
don't want it. Hence why they those guys go do it.
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And you're not going to get them all right, but
you got to get most of them right, because that's
why you're the expert. But I can tell you what
you means. The thing is, it's a bit of hypocrisy,
which is okay. I mean, betting is not going away.
It's only going to get bigger and stronger across the country.
That's just the way it is. It just is too
much money to be made, right, and you can follow
the cash anywhere, So betting it and going away it's
going to show and it's going to show up in
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places like Texas whether you like it or not. But
here's what the deal is is with it is it's
when a call on the field happens. I think with
Troy's saying, you know, oh, look, taking a safety, I
mean there's plays that you say that changed the whole
course the Texans Chiefs game, the taking a safety? Think
how about that? How that changed? Oh my gosh. And
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so there's that. God and then on a bad call,
when it's a bad call and it costs you, and
Troy's talking about money changing hands, is you can't help
but think with all the gambling that I think what
he's saying is the questions start to enter your mind
what's going on here? And he's right, we're more critical
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of referees now than we've ever been. They got more
technology now than they've ever had and more opportunities to
see it, and yet they're under more scrutiny, and there's
more and at times rightfully, so I think some of
them have lost confidence and they rely on instant replay
to bail them out at times. So they're not as
not as precise and dynamic as they were when it
was just them and not replay making the call. But
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with all this betting and gambley is I go to
sponsors and putting them on jerseys and everywhere they go
that it's the fans perspective that when it's a bad
three or four bad calls in a row or in
a quarter, you're like, come on, man, it's too obvious,
right that I think of what it is that change
hands and it gets into people's head in the fans,
they're not getting it right. What's human nature when that happens,
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not one time, but three times or four times, is
to think, well, somebody's on the take or this is
rigged right, that's what you think. So it opens up
the can of worms, and what's it lead to? More
scrutiny by the referee. I actually think if you brought
the referee in to a post conference, like I said,
and let them do what the players do, like where
we all hear it and see it, I actually think
they could take some of the pressure off them by
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answering it. Honestly, I think they'd get less scrutinized. We're
worried about their security. You ought to worry more about
their security when they're not talking. So I think that's
what it comes down to. The money changing hands. We
hope it's not changing hands with the wrong people. But
guys are sitting in sports books that we all want
to go to every week, wait, hanging there on every
call on teams you don't even root for, and when
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they make bad call after bad collafter bad call, the
initial of the thought in your mind is it goes
from conspiracy theory to I'm not wrong. That's how we think, right.
So I think he spot on with this, and you
got to get it right. That's why you have technology.
You got to get it right.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, I think with all of these partnerships and sponsorships,
big gambling agencies and casinos and all that, just like
over in the NBA, Terry Rogier right now being investigated
for the Johntay Porter ring where Johntay Porter was basically
throwing games and throwing his play to affect the outcome
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because he was on the take. Terry Rogier apparently was
involved in it as well. So you look at it
in the NBA and we know that what was a
guy's named Tim Donaghy. We know that he was throwing
games and things like that. I just I personally have
a hard time believing that there's not a couple of
referees in the NFL, or in sports period or in
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sports period that are benefiting from these partnerships.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Statistics would tell you that some of the most that
everybody's got advice or something that they're not talking about.
I'm not saying this the case, but statistics would say,
with all these things, somebody's got to be You did
think somebody's got to be doing this right. Think about this,
You're not making fifty five million years a quarterback. I'm
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just throwing you know, scenarios out there. You're or an
NBA player. Let's say you're a middle of the road
or a college basketball player. It's not gonna play in
the NBA and you're not an nil guy, but you
play and you can affect. You're the point guard, but
you're not getting drafted because you're slow and you're a
good college player. But you know that you're going right
into coaching. When you're done, you're gonna go get a
job on Wall Street. And somebody comes to you and says,
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all you got to do is make sure you guys
don't win by ten, nine and a half or less.
And you control the game and they're offering you two
and a half million dollars on it, three million bucks
and you know that's the most money you're ever gonna
make in your career, and they keep coming at you. Now,
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the problem is, once you're in, you're out right. You
ain't getting out, so you and you'll be chasing money
and then you're looking over your shoulder the whole time.
Who's going to sell me? What's going on? What happens
when I don't collect? What happens when they put three
million dollars and I said, I got this and we
screw it up? You know what I'm saying. Then, Now
it doesn't go for money. It goes from you losing
a finger in a hand and the stuff you see
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on TV, and oh, it's real to me about the
temptation of an official saying I'm never going to get ahead.
What about the guy who may have been betting in
high school or college and he's behind seventy thousand dollars
and can't catch up chasing money. I'm not saying it's
a good thing, but of all the athletes, all the coaches,
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all the players, all the referees, all the executives, all
the people, and now with big betting in mind, and
you know, people are knocking on doors to an eighteen
year old kids that thinks he's getting hosed.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Nil.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I know how I'm gonna get even. I can control
this game. I am the right guard and on fourth
and one, we ain't getting the first down to coming
over me. You know, you know what I'm saying. So
doesn't humanate? Are is every single guy that walks into
a locker room or officiating pure? No, that's the And
I don't think that's conspiracy there. I know we all
take the but you know what it's like when you
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get into a marriage. Guys will say, you know what, galt,
hey loyal to death, do us part, blah blah blah,
And two years in they're married to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It didn't work. They say, what they're pure in law
they're supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Of course, we have this delusions of grandeur that think
that everybody's straight when it comes to calling games, I
can tell you this, if they're not. Plenty have been approached,
and people were getting approached long before when when I
was playing, getting approached long before betting was a sponsor
in the NFL, NBA or Major League Baseball or hockey.
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So does it exist. There's a party that says there's
no way it can't. But I don't believe the games
are rigged. It's too How do you rig eleven on eleven?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah? I can.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
You may be able to rig one on one tennis, yeah,
or golf. I don't know how you rig eleven on eleven.
You can make a call every now, but determine the
betting outcome of a game on everything? Like guy catches
him on the en zone. He's clearly and you say no, no, no,
he's not in the endzone. I mean, come on, dude,
could you're just flashing me on sign?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
So unless players, a player and an official are in
on it together, I just it's hard to them. But
I think we're past conspiracy theories on some I think
it is legitimate for people to question sometimes when you
think there's no way on God's Green Earth, they missed
that call, and then they go check it out and
they still miss it. You're like, come, what in the
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hell is going on here? I do believe it's all
worthy of the banter we're having, no question.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I don't think there's the pureness that we think as
far as officials.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Let's put ourselves real quick, and I promise I'm staying
here now. I never, ever, I wasn't a better grow
I mean, you know, you bet your buddy on a
golf course or shooting free throws, right, I was never
a sports gambler in college or heighths. I didn't have
the money to do it. Nil would have been Hell.
Now I got ten million bucks, great, But you just
fighting scramble on a scholarship check enough to get your
money for a pizza and a beer with your buddies
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or your girl right in college. I'm just telling you,
start to think. Now for a second, let's put ourselves
in their shoes. Middle of the road player, but an
important one in the college level. Hell, I don't even know,
maybe even high schoo they've been on high school I
don't know. Hell, But in college, lever or pro level,
you're a pivotal player.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But you're not. You're you're every year you're fighting to
keep your job. And somebody comes in office, you're.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Five million dollars to to to to just in your
court and skew it in their direction for five mil
and it's tax free and it's cash, and I would
consider it. Yeah, And you think, man, I'm at the stage,
I'm at the end of my career. I don't have
any money saved.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
What am I going to do?
Speaker 5 (10:25):
You would somebody and somebody and you go to say five,
how about six? And the guy says fine, But once
you're in, you're staying in. Yeah, unless you get us.
They won that bet. And you said, I'm out. I
can't control the games anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I'm done.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
You walk away a five million cash, which would be
what seventy seven point five million dollars in a normal world.
So you can see how somebody would say, like you
mentioned the NBA, Hell, I ain't ever gonna be a
star again the first of the No. Yeah, yeah, porter, Yeah,
And you're saying, going to be a star in this league,
this is a way to buy I can pay for
my house, I can have roof over my head the
rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, not that it's good, but.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
You'd see you see how that that slippery slope can
go downhill fast. Yeah, every guy in college, and every
guy in the NFL, and every guy in NBA, and
every guy plays high school sports and every so they're
all clean. The biggest degenerate gamblers in the world are
on college campuses, right, make no mistake about it, no doubt. Dude,
walk through a fraternity and you start talking gambling. They
may not know what's on the test they're taking in
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their history class or their dug on English class in
school English Lit. I'll guarant ask to you they know
what the points spread of the long horns of the
a and m aggies are this week, you know when
they're playing.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I guarantee you that frat brose in America want three things.
They want sports betting, They want their zins, and they
want to play.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Golf, right, and they want then they want to be
able to have some zoids.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah things, Yeah, you're right, yeah, they all that's three
of the five and most important, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So rampant right now.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
And if you're a if you're one of those guys
who knows how to go get people to be first place.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You go.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Find a college campus that's not getting an I ellen's
not a star score.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You asked the star and see if you can.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
But you better be careful because you don't want that
star to sell you out, right, he said, She shid.
But my point is you can see the slippery slope
a game. I mean, I love to bet, but I
ain't ever chasing money, right, and as a player, I
didn't want to watch points for you know, if you
were an underdog or if you weren't.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
But you never came up with what's the spread? Spread?
Wasn't it? Are we underdogs? Are we favorites?
Speaker 5 (12:15):
That kind of left out there when you mentioned spread,
all of the suddenybody looks like, what do we talk about?
Don't look at that in the paper this week? You
want to know?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, thanksuse you want to find the degenerateus, Just go
right down to the university used campus and find that
frat house for Sigma guy Knew or whatever they're called.
You know, the frat bros. They know the points spread
for tonight. Damn right they do. They know, like what
do we got tonight? And check it out? The college
slate for Friday night?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I guarantee you. They know Harvard at Columbia. Columbia's favored
by four and a half. They know it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
And the smart ones don't just bet the big games.
You bet the ones. You said. The object of betty
is bet where you can win.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Saint Peter's at Ryder, Saint Peter's favor by one and
a half.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I'm you know, I'm a college basketball guy.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
They's a sucker for a good parlay. We all ye,
Let's get to break seven. Five to seven ninety is
the number to join. Will continue to take your calls
as we continue to roll along right here on seven
ninety