June 13, 2025 • 11 mins
Revisiting last nights rubber match, the Astros' send the White Sox down the road with a series loss following the games final score of 4-3 resulting in a 2-1 series victory for the Astros. With Framber Valdez on the mound for another outstanding outing with 5 innings pitched, 12 strikeouts, and only allowing 2 runs the Astros are on a roll following Josh Hader closing the game for his 18th save of the season now tied for 3rd in the league. Discussing last nights victory Sean and Dan assess how the Astros have turned the tide in rallying back to win games, along with props to the Astros phenomenal pitching and bullpen staff throughout these games securing and ensuring wins from extraordinary starts from their starters.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here you go.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
You heard Robert Ford give you the details of how
it went last night over there at dyke In Park.
Kevin Ashenfelder also to filling in for Steve Sparks in
this series. But with all that we say, away we
go and good morning here on the Sean Salisbury Show. Sean,
it was a little different this time around, especially the
(00:21):
last six starts that we'd seen out of fromber Valdez.
But it's hard to sneeze at five innings and twelve strikeouts.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, good morning, under yeah, understated, right, I mean five innings,
twelve strikeouts, a walk and pull off the wind. It
wasn't I wouldn't say vintage fromber because that would have met,
you know, a couple more endings in innings.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
When he's at his best and getting into the seventh.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
But what ninety plus ninety four ninety five pitches last
night and the twelve strikeouts and compared to the balls
that's no free passes man one of them. And then
the uh, you know the run you know hater gives
up in the nights. But other than that, this day
they were solid. The thing I like is that they
win these games. You know how important it is to
(01:05):
win one run games and two run games, and they
did and got good bullpen work again. You know, you
a little a little nervous, but haters had such a
good year and he's pushing twenty saves on the year.
I was it was impressive because Fromber was so efficient
last night, even though he didn't get deeper than the
fifth inning.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So another win for him. Been on a roll.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Twelve strikeouts and he keeps the ball for the most
part in the ballpark and gives you a chance and
run run games a little stressful, I mean two runs
going into the night, but the four the four runs
they posted in a Fromber pitching match and getting the
great bullpen, you know, you got a chance. And so
he was really really good last night. But not you know,
(01:48):
oh my gosh, this is seven eight inning Fromber. But
like you said, twelve strikeouts in five innings, is is
nothing to if that's average work for Fromber, because the
five innings, I'll take it. I know that when we
say big wins, and I just I think wins coming
after that big offensive performance and coming back out and
I told you yesday said you can chalk this one up.
(02:10):
And they're not losing this series with Fromer going to
the hill, and you know what, they they saw a
lot of his good stuff last night, so Asos take
care of their business, and you know, they had to
do a new series and it was he was impressive
and they got enough timely hits to win the game.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I mean, if this is a quote unquote down start,
twelve strikeouts over five innings, I don't think there's gonna
be a lot of people who are too upset with
performances like that. But you set the standard that you
set the last few starts. I mean people are thinking
six seven innings out of you, but still able to
give you a chance to win. I think is the
underlying theme.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, there's no doubt, like you said, when you keep
you're gonna win a lot of games. When you get
to your when you get to your bullpen, but you
also get to your closer with a leading ninth inning,
that guy, you're gonna win a lot of games.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
And Frober did that. But this is you know, this
is who he's been as far as you know.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Induces ground balls and when he's going like that and
getting strikeouts, he's pretty impressive. And although when I say
a fishing although you would like a few less pitches
I think it was ninety plus pitches last night, if
I'm not mistaken, a few less pitches for ninety five innings.
But the strikeout the walk ratio was efficient to where
it's not a twelve and five or ten and four
type of thing when it comes to strikeouts and walks.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
But he gave his team a chance.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And this team understands and always has, you know, for
the most part, what you know, the clutch gene that
somehow they come through even though they had the lead,
didn't you know, didn't have to have some two out
rally in the ninth They He did well enough to
allow them to jump out in front. And then if
you can get whether it's the fifth inning of the
seventh inning, a bullpen, that's fairly you know that that
(03:52):
is either rested or great, and if they're both, then
you got a chance. But when you get to that
with that lead, it's going to be really difficult to
beat the it's the way they're going.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You would just like a.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Little more latitude when it comes to you know, runs,
but that's that's you know that three four or five.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Runs gives you a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Every time Fromber or one hundred Brown goes out there
and well it wasn't his best or most efficient efficiency
and throwing strikes and getting people out and force and swing,
and this was pretty oppressive.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Right on the number ninety five last night for Fromber
and you mentioned I mean scattering some hits. He does
strike out the twelve, as we've mentioned, you mentioned the
one walk, but it's also you know, with those hits,
I mean it was good played approaches by the White Sox.
I mean, you've got guys going the other way. Even
when he gives up that second run there in the
fifth inning, you saw how frustrated he was. He saw
(04:44):
Josh Miller had to go out to the mound and
be like, hey, hey, hey, you know, calm down a
little bit. You got this. You are still you. You
can still get out of this. And Fromber, to his credit,
I mean, we've seen it spiral out of control in
the past. He took the words or even just you know,
took it upon himself and just I was able to
bear down and get that final out and they give
(05:04):
himself a chance to win.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And they also realized I would imagine when they went
out there.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Okay, with a little frustration, get through this, get out
of the fifth inning. Did in their mind it was like, okay,
at ninety plus pitches, even though he's efficient the frustration,
they also are making good decisions on when it was time,
right for him, when it was time, and.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know, to get through it, deal with it.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But what has been a weakness in the past, hopefully
he doesn't let become weakness. I understand the frustration. Hell,
I play golf, so I get it. But he they
handled it well enough. And then you know, with that
with a two run lead, getting the hater, you would
imagine that here you've got a pretty good shot. They
get up the run, but they close it out. So
another say for him, like I said that winds are
(05:48):
hard to come by. I don't care the optics of them,
and we'd love him to look like you know, two
games ago, two nights ago. But I'll take the optics
in these too, because I think wins like this you
got to kind of gut your way through it, and
a little bit of scare in the ninth with the
you know, getting closer, because then it becomes one more swing.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Of the bat.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
But you know, your pitcher gets you five innings and
twelve strikeouts. Most people in this league we'll chalk that
up as the hell as man, not only will we
take it. Isn't an amazing to get to the point
where it's like, yeah, Frobert was pretty good. He struck
out twelve. For some that's a they won't sniff twelve
strikeouts in the game this year, so they'd take it.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Froberts stead a.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Set a pretty high standard more more than ever the
last six starts or so, he's elevated to a whole
new level and is proven why every year you got
to consider him for the cy.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Young And it was a good one last night.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It wasn't special when it comes to oh man, we
scored fifteen runs, but enough and enough time the hits
and staving them off when you got to the bullpen
six seven, eight, nine, Well, and.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
We'd also too, I mean, this is mostly last year.
This year in close games late, it seems like the
Astros have been able to kind of, you know, be
able to build themselves up and win those types of games,
and they proved it again last night. And a huge
part of that too, is you mentioned Josh Hater earlier
on in our conversation, Sean, the job of the closer
(07:11):
is to close the game out with the lead and
to get the win. That's the job. It's not to
go out there and get three up, three down every
single time. You'd love to have it, but I mean still,
it doesn't look like most of his outings have looked
this year. And if anybody was necessarily concerned, that's what
I would say to them, Well did he get the save.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, he got out there, he did his job. Well,
we're not closer. Closer doesn't mean perfection.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Now, if you say, well he's perfect on all his saves,
that's fine, but in a lot of those I'm talking
about any closer in the league, but in saves across
the league, the stressful situations. You know, you walk a
lead off guy, or you give up a solo home run,
and then you settle in and take eighteen pitches to
get you know, I'm just using anything, any pitches or
(07:56):
names out there, and then you get him out, You
close out the game you want.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's your gig, right. It doesn't say.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
The only way you get to win is if you
go perfect. Three guys up, three guys down. There's no
stress there's nobody on second base after a double and
a stolen base.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
There's you know.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Most of the time, these closers got to deal in
stressful situations anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You know, they start an inning.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
And boom, go out there and try to close it out,
and you're exactly right. We do get we all get
caught up. Oh yeah, man, he got the save, but
it wasn't a perfect one. Oh and that's why you
get a two run lead instead of one, and one
run doesn't hurt it. You get a little latitude, you
can snap it, you get a mulligan, you know, snap
pook it and come back it in the fairway and
go and make a bogie. But it ends up still
(08:41):
winning you the tournament. They don't take trophy away. When
you win the tournament with a bogie, the major still counts.
It doesn't matter, still win it. Nobody said you have
to make birdie in order to hoist a trophy or
a hoist to.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Save so same thing there. I know.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
We all want it clean, we want it to look
like Rivera every time they go out there doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But wins do. And he settled back into this thing.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
He's been really good this year, but I think you
feel pretty secure get into a bullpen with a two
run lead. The way that they've done it this year
and their history in the past, well it may not
have been last year, is they know how to come
up with the clutch hit to win close games, doing
a better job of it obviously this year and get
some you know what, to take them to it thirty
(09:23):
eight and thirty or whatever it is, and continues to
keep them in first place. And they continue to trudge along.
And I don't care who it's against. You win every series.
You win the series. I think you start to mount
these wins and it becomes impressive and this is a
good time for them to gain even more ground, meaning
distance themselves with these next what ten to eleven games.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, I don't grade in terms of how a win was.
I mean, they're all different, but I mean the moral
of the story is did you do it or did
you not? It's pass vail in that regard, Sean, So
I agree with you on that one thing we have
not talked about, though, wait and see on East Soak paraitis,
I'm not going to why do you? As soon as
I saw him come out of the box, I wasn't
(10:03):
thinking hamstring, Sean, I started to worry that it was worse.
I was like, oh my god, please tell me he
did not snap an achilles.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well, anytime you start to see the back part of
the back part of the body, I mean, you know,
when it's the lower half and hits there. Now we've
got to the point where they can hamstring calf. Oh
my gosh, it's in the lower half. Then you start
to worry. Yes, I am with you one hundred percent.
Those getting in As we well know, Achilles this day
and age, with all the modern medicine and technology we have,
(10:32):
are worse than some kind of a hamstring or a need.
But yeah, you gets a looking because he has been
a consistent hell of a player this year.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
He really has.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
He's been solid for them and keeps driving the ball.
Hell he's on his way to thirty home runs. It
keeps up close, you know what I'm saying. So he's
been really good for this team.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Absolutely, and Joe a spot after the game saying it's
going to be a wait and see on Parrettis. He
did add though, that Parrett has told him after the
game that he'd be good to go today. You know
players will say that, and now we just have to
see if indeed he is going to be able to
avoid the IL. Here's to hoping, especially when you don't
have Jordon Alvarez or Chas McCormick available to you right now.
(11:13):
I mean more Jordon in terms of the production that
you can count on from him. But again hoping for
the best when it comes to esak paritis. But the
Astros pick up the win last night, you want to
jump in on that. Seven one three two one two
five seven ninety again seven one three two one two
five seven ninety. But just how good is this bullpen? Ben?
(11:33):
We talked a lot about Josh Hater, not the sum
of the entire bullpen. We'll talk about those guys next
right here, as we are just getting started on a
Friday edition of The Sean Salisbury Show Sports Talk seven
ninety
Here you go.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
You heard Robert Ford give you the details of how
it went last night over there at dyke In Park.
Kevin Ashenfelder also to filling in for Steve Sparks in
this series. But with all that we say, away we
go and good morning here on the Sean Salisbury Show. Sean,
it was a little different this time around, especially the
(00:21):
last six starts that we'd seen out of fromber Valdez.
But it's hard to sneeze at five innings and twelve strikeouts.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, good morning, under yeah, understated, right, I mean five innings,
twelve strikeouts, a walk and pull off the wind. It
wasn't I wouldn't say vintage fromber because that would have met,
you know, a couple more endings in innings.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
When he's at his best and getting into the seventh.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
But what ninety plus ninety four ninety five pitches last
night and the twelve strikeouts and compared to the balls
that's no free passes man one of them. And then
the uh, you know the run you know hater gives
up in the nights. But other than that, this day
they were solid. The thing I like is that they
win these games. You know how important it is to
(01:05):
win one run games and two run games, and they
did and got good bullpen work again. You know, you
a little a little nervous, but haters had such a
good year and he's pushing twenty saves on the year.
I was it was impressive because Fromber was so efficient
last night, even though he didn't get deeper than the
fifth inning.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So another win for him. Been on a roll.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Twelve strikeouts and he keeps the ball for the most
part in the ballpark and gives you a chance and
run run games a little stressful, I mean two runs
going into the night, but the four the four runs
they posted in a Fromber pitching match and getting the
great bullpen, you know, you got a chance. And so
he was really really good last night. But not you know,
(01:48):
oh my gosh, this is seven eight inning Fromber. But
like you said, twelve strikeouts in five innings, is is
nothing to if that's average work for Fromber, because the
five innings, I'll take it. I know that when we
say big wins, and I just I think wins coming
after that big offensive performance and coming back out and
I told you yesday said you can chalk this one up.
(02:10):
And they're not losing this series with Fromer going to
the hill, and you know what, they they saw a
lot of his good stuff last night, so Asos take
care of their business, and you know, they had to
do a new series and it was he was impressive
and they got enough timely hits to win the game.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I mean, if this is a quote unquote down start,
twelve strikeouts over five innings, I don't think there's gonna
be a lot of people who are too upset with
performances like that. But you set the standard that you
set the last few starts. I mean people are thinking
six seven innings out of you, but still able to
give you a chance to win. I think is the
underlying theme.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, there's no doubt, like you said, when you keep
you're gonna win a lot of games. When you get
to your when you get to your bullpen, but you
also get to your closer with a leading ninth inning,
that guy, you're gonna win a lot of games.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
And Frober did that. But this is you know, this
is who he's been as far as you know.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Induces ground balls and when he's going like that and
getting strikeouts, he's pretty impressive. And although when I say
a fishing although you would like a few less pitches
I think it was ninety plus pitches last night, if
I'm not mistaken, a few less pitches for ninety five innings.
But the strikeout the walk ratio was efficient to where
it's not a twelve and five or ten and four
type of thing when it comes to strikeouts and walks.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
But he gave his team a chance.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And this team understands and always has, you know, for
the most part, what you know, the clutch gene that
somehow they come through even though they had the lead,
didn't you know, didn't have to have some two out
rally in the ninth They He did well enough to
allow them to jump out in front. And then if
you can get whether it's the fifth inning of the
seventh inning, a bullpen, that's fairly you know that that
(03:52):
is either rested or great, and if they're both, then
you got a chance. But when you get to that
with that lead, it's going to be really difficult to
beat the it's the way they're going.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You would just like a.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Little more latitude when it comes to you know, runs,
but that's that's you know that three four or five.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Runs gives you a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Every time Fromber or one hundred Brown goes out there
and well it wasn't his best or most efficient efficiency
and throwing strikes and getting people out and force and swing,
and this was pretty oppressive.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Right on the number ninety five last night for Fromber
and you mentioned I mean scattering some hits. He does
strike out the twelve, as we've mentioned, you mentioned the
one walk, but it's also you know, with those hits,
I mean it was good played approaches by the White Sox.
I mean, you've got guys going the other way. Even
when he gives up that second run there in the
fifth inning, you saw how frustrated he was. He saw
(04:44):
Josh Miller had to go out to the mound and
be like, hey, hey, hey, you know, calm down a
little bit. You got this. You are still you. You
can still get out of this. And Fromber, to his credit,
I mean, we've seen it spiral out of control in
the past. He took the words or even just you know,
took it upon himself and just I was able to
bear down and get that final out and they give
(05:04):
himself a chance to win.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And they also realized I would imagine when they went
out there.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Okay, with a little frustration, get through this, get out
of the fifth inning. Did in their mind it was like, okay,
at ninety plus pitches, even though he's efficient the frustration,
they also are making good decisions on when it was time,
right for him, when it was time, and.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know, to get through it, deal with it.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But what has been a weakness in the past, hopefully
he doesn't let become weakness. I understand the frustration. Hell,
I play golf, so I get it. But he they
handled it well enough. And then you know, with that
with a two run lead, getting the hater, you would
imagine that here you've got a pretty good shot. They
get up the run, but they close it out. So
another say for him, like I said that winds are
(05:48):
hard to come by. I don't care the optics of them,
and we'd love him to look like you know, two
games ago, two nights ago. But I'll take the optics
in these too, because I think wins like this you
got to kind of gut your way through it, and
a little bit of scare in the ninth with the
you know, getting closer, because then it becomes one more swing.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Of the bat.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
But you know, your pitcher gets you five innings and
twelve strikeouts. Most people in this league we'll chalk that
up as the hell as man, not only will we
take it. Isn't an amazing to get to the point
where it's like, yeah, Frobert was pretty good. He struck
out twelve. For some that's a they won't sniff twelve
strikeouts in the game this year, so they'd take it.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Froberts stead a.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Set a pretty high standard more more than ever the
last six starts or so, he's elevated to a whole
new level and is proven why every year you got
to consider him for the cy.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Young And it was a good one last night.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It wasn't special when it comes to oh man, we
scored fifteen runs, but enough and enough time the hits
and staving them off when you got to the bullpen
six seven, eight, nine, Well, and.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
We'd also too, I mean, this is mostly last year.
This year in close games late, it seems like the
Astros have been able to kind of, you know, be
able to build themselves up and win those types of games,
and they proved it again last night. And a huge
part of that too, is you mentioned Josh Hater earlier
on in our conversation, Sean, the job of the closer
(07:11):
is to close the game out with the lead and
to get the win. That's the job. It's not to
go out there and get three up, three down every
single time. You'd love to have it, but I mean still,
it doesn't look like most of his outings have looked
this year. And if anybody was necessarily concerned, that's what
I would say to them, Well did he get the save.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, he got out there, he did his job. Well,
we're not closer. Closer doesn't mean perfection.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Now, if you say, well he's perfect on all his saves,
that's fine, but in a lot of those I'm talking
about any closer in the league, but in saves across
the league, the stressful situations. You know, you walk a
lead off guy, or you give up a solo home run,
and then you settle in and take eighteen pitches to
get you know, I'm just using anything, any pitches or
(07:56):
names out there, and then you get him out, You
close out the game you want.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's your gig, right. It doesn't say.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
The only way you get to win is if you
go perfect. Three guys up, three guys down. There's no
stress there's nobody on second base after a double and
a stolen base.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
There's you know.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Most of the time, these closers got to deal in
stressful situations anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You know, they start an inning.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
And boom, go out there and try to close it out,
and you're exactly right. We do get we all get
caught up. Oh yeah, man, he got the save, but
it wasn't a perfect one. Oh and that's why you
get a two run lead instead of one, and one
run doesn't hurt it. You get a little latitude, you
can snap it, you get a mulligan, you know, snap
pook it and come back it in the fairway and
go and make a bogie. But it ends up still
(08:41):
winning you the tournament. They don't take trophy away. When
you win the tournament with a bogie, the major still counts.
It doesn't matter, still win it. Nobody said you have
to make birdie in order to hoist a trophy or
a hoist to.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Save so same thing there. I know.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
We all want it clean, we want it to look
like Rivera every time they go out there doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But wins do. And he settled back into this thing.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
He's been really good this year, but I think you
feel pretty secure get into a bullpen with a two
run lead. The way that they've done it this year
and their history in the past, well it may not
have been last year, is they know how to come
up with the clutch hit to win close games, doing
a better job of it obviously this year and get
some you know what, to take them to it thirty
(09:23):
eight and thirty or whatever it is, and continues to
keep them in first place. And they continue to trudge along.
And I don't care who it's against. You win every series.
You win the series. I think you start to mount
these wins and it becomes impressive and this is a
good time for them to gain even more ground, meaning
distance themselves with these next what ten to eleven games.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, I don't grade in terms of how a win was.
I mean, they're all different, but I mean the moral
of the story is did you do it or did
you not? It's pass vail in that regard, Sean, So
I agree with you on that one thing we have
not talked about, though, wait and see on East Soak paraitis,
I'm not going to why do you? As soon as
I saw him come out of the box, I wasn't
(10:03):
thinking hamstring, Sean, I started to worry that it was worse.
I was like, oh my god, please tell me he
did not snap an achilles.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well, anytime you start to see the back part of
the back part of the body, I mean, you know,
when it's the lower half and hits there. Now we've
got to the point where they can hamstring calf. Oh
my gosh, it's in the lower half. Then you start
to worry. Yes, I am with you one hundred percent.
Those getting in As we well know, Achilles this day
and age, with all the modern medicine and technology we have,
(10:32):
are worse than some kind of a hamstring or a need.
But yeah, you gets a looking because he has been
a consistent hell of a player this year.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
He really has.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
He's been solid for them and keeps driving the ball.
Hell he's on his way to thirty home runs. It
keeps up close, you know what I'm saying. So he's
been really good for this team.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Absolutely, and Joe a spot after the game saying it's
going to be a wait and see on Parrettis. He
did add though, that Parrett has told him after the
game that he'd be good to go today. You know
players will say that, and now we just have to
see if indeed he is going to be able to
avoid the IL. Here's to hoping, especially when you don't
have Jordon Alvarez or Chas McCormick available to you right now.
(11:13):
I mean more Jordon in terms of the production that
you can count on from him. But again hoping for
the best when it comes to esak paritis. But the
Astros pick up the win last night, you want to
jump in on that. Seven one three two one two
five seven ninety again seven one three two one two
five seven ninety. But just how good is this bullpen? Ben?
(11:33):
We talked a lot about Josh Hater, not the sum
of the entire bullpen. We'll talk about those guys next
right here, as we are just getting started on a
Friday edition of The Sean Salisbury Show Sports Talk seven
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