July 22, 2025 • 12 mins
Now surpassing the midway point of the season, following their post-All-Star series loss to the Mariners, the Astros returned to action yesterday against the Diamondbacks, securing a 6-3 victory and further solidifying their place at the top of the AL West. Wondering how the Astros continue to rack up wins without their core lineup intact throughout the season, Sean and Dan pose to listeners what may be the endgame for the Astros when we arrive in November, following the conclusion of the season. What will we all be saying about our beloved Houston Astros team?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And sewn, I have the answer to your question where
no matter what was the question, what was the question?
So it was Thanksgiving? No matter where the Astros season ends,
How are we talking about the twenty twenty five Astro Yeah,
you do?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You describe it to me. I didn't watch the season.
Tell me what the theme was and when when you're
talking at Thanksgiving dinner, what's the conversation that surrounded the
Astros when all a sudden done.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
This shows you were achieved, got the most out of
this team, because you'd never go into a season expecting
that you're gonna need more than what thirty five players
you're hoping because I mean, you are gonna have injuries,
You are gonna have guys that are out. But I
mean to the stat that I said that Chandler Rome
shared on Sunday that with Estoc Paratus out, you now
have five guys who were in your opening day lineup
(00:46):
that are on the IL currently at the moment right
and some might be back sooner rather than later. You
don't know on certain others, but I mean, who on
the who who on their BINGO card this year had
Taylor Tremmel contributing, Because I mean, you knew that they
signed him. You knew that they had him, but you
were hoping they weren't going to have to need them.
That was more or less insurance for if Jake Myers
(01:07):
didn't become the Jake Myers that we got to.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Know this year, we may show up in West Palm Beach,
who on their Bengal card had Gordon Walter, a litany
of player of bullpen pitchers, Kurt O, Kurt Susa, Augusto
Yes before you heard no question about it, had Cam
(01:31):
Smith leading off and doing it when it was beginning
to trank. He wasn't in spring training, he wasn't going,
you were thinking twenty twenty seven is when we see
Cam Smith right and and hopefully he's ready to go.
Then I mean paradist. I mean you go through the list, dude,
and all these young players. So the sweet part of
it is we're getting a glimpse of what it looks
like the stay and still in first place. The bummer
(01:54):
part of it is that you wonder if you're getting
the most out of it. Yet you start to think, well,
is this a blessing in disguise? Because some of these
young guys are actually better maybe than some of the
guys who were KG. But you got to listen, you're
not just depth wise alone. So when you say you're
gonna say they overachieved, overachieved into what first place? Elimination
(02:14):
of the playoffs? What overachieved into made it to the ALCS,
overachieved into winning a World Series, or just overachieved and
made the Playoffs's the what's the end game as far
as what we're saying about them overall how they ended
the season aside the theme for you will be overachieved?
Does that overachievement end up in deep into the playoffs,
(02:34):
missing the playoffs, winning the division wars? It end?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I think that this team, you get six of those
sixteen guys back, there's no reason this team can't at
least get to an LCS how well they've pitched, and
you get some of those guys back, and I mean
you do that after abouts you know what in November
December last year, I'm trying to remember when Kyle Tucker
was traded, But when that happened, it was the doom
(02:59):
and glue. It was the thought of, yeah, Dana's same,
We're going to compete now, but why don't we pay
anybody right right, It's all of that turned out pretty good.
So I mean, I mean even when we did our
season predictions, I picked the Astros to win the West,
but you row flow a lot of people going with
the Rangers.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, I picked. I picked the Rangers to come back
and win. I had the Astros I think as a
wild card. Yeah, but I had the Rangers win in
the division. And I'm not going to waffle. We obviously
know who I want to win the division. But just
looking at it fair when you and that was pre
all this stuff that that was with Jorda unhealthy and
al Tuove in left field and whoever is going to
(03:35):
be your regular second basement and having some depth and
and hoping that that Cam Smith can be a player,
But who's going to replace Tucker and right field? And
will parade us be anything like Bregman at third base?
Offensively when he's going hot after his initial starts, and
then and defensively, I mean, look around yet. I mean
you're starting to see your guy Christian Walker heat up.
But the yiner hasn't played what we're used to. They've
(03:58):
been hurt all over starting pitching, answer has had his
ups and downs, and right now going through some downs,
so you you roll through the damn thing and it's like,
there's no way. So and I had I had them
getting to the playoffs without winning the division, and that's
with all of them healthy, and now they're I mean,
look where they're at now. So yeah, so you think,
(04:20):
so World Series isn't how this is going to end
in your mind? I don't see that.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I don't see any reason why it can't. I just
would you bet it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
No, because I just I don't know how many of
those guys are coming back.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
There you go, and I think the majority of people
would say the same thing. And so I'm curious what
our callers saying. When you're sitting at Thanksgiving dinner and
the baseball comes up, which you know those it always says, yeah,
you just finished with I wish as this year is
pretty good? How does it in this year? And what's
the theme that you're going to talk about? Yours is undefeated,
(04:55):
make it to the playoffs, hope for a World Series,
but right now, just not enough depth and stars to
do it.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I would say that another you know, how you thought
about this season satisfying because when you had all of
the guys that were part of your core, you know,
the Koreas, the Springers, all of those guys. I mean,
it was anything less than at least going to the
LCS hell in some people's eyes, anything less than going
to the World Series and winning.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It was a disappointment.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And the fact that this year we're even having the
conversation that they could still possibly be able to do
all of those things. I mean, I think that it's
almost gravy at this point that you look at it
and you say, however, this thing ends.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Right we sit back and say house money, those players
in back saying, screw house money.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
This is my career that we got to go. Still
got twenty seven over there. We've still got a lot
of really good players here exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Here's mine. If I was saying it, I would say
validation would be my theme. They validated who we think
they are. They just keep developing players in the future.
Looks validated that we know it's not just when somebody
gets hurt so somebody else can step in. Validation of
how we feel about their grind, I guess, and their resilience.
For me. Secondly, I think this team will be in
(06:08):
the American League Championship series, especially if the pitching stays healthy.
Now I don't know if hitting's going to do it,
and I'm saying this, and that's not knowing when PAINA
and the group's going to come back. I think they'll
validate how we feel about the organization. Maybe you don't
pay as much, but that they continue and the window
(06:29):
stays open, validate that for us. And then I think
that I think they'll be playing for a league for
a chance to go to the World Series in a
long series and see if they can pull. I don't
know right now if they will, but I think at
the end will also be whether they get that far
or not, or if they do get that far, we'll
be saying there's no way you would have expected this,
considering all that they've been through and how much longer
(06:50):
are these injuries going to last before you actually have
a full go. And that's a lot a lot of
sidebars in this run, man, And there's there's a massive
amount of sidebars.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And I think that you know, it's also looking at
everybody else and you don't know what trades you know
the Yankees or the Blue Jays, or you know the Tigers,
any any of those other teams are going to make
I mean, hell, even in your own division. Just thought
that the guy hit a home run off you last
night is going to go back to Seattle. Heino Suarez,
and you have him and cal Raley hitting with each other.
I mean, when they're going good, it's a pretty lethal tandem.
(07:20):
But there's also a lot of al dudes. Got two
five home runs, dude, or is it Morena? He homberg
again last night?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
He did? Yeah, i' thought he's what at thirty six?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, he hit a two pitch for a homer and
that was exactly that thirty six.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Thirty six home runs. The majority of the league ain't
going is it ain't gonna hit thirty six this year,
let alone thirty. There's not a guy on this team
that I think is going to sniff thirty this year.
I think about that. I think about at the at
the midway point you've had a season, he'll strike out
one hundred and eighty times, but nobody cares because he
can pump the ball out. So yeah, I'm I'm anxious
(07:56):
see what it's going to look like when we're having
this conversation next Tuesday about the trail as it pushes
with the deadline to thirty first, So that's what like
next Thursday or Friday Thursday. Yeah, there you go, so Thursday,
four o'clock local time. Anxious to see where it goes.
But yeah, how our fans feel about what it's going
to listeners? How and the Astros fans should I say
what you what you're going to be saying in your
(08:18):
debate or your conversation at your Thanksgiving table about the Astros.
The one word to describe them are the one sentence?
And where does the season end? Does it end in
November or does it end somewhere before then? Curious?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, I mean you would love for it to end
in November. And if it does, I mean that's even
more gravy. But I mean just for right now, you know,
I look at some of the other teams out there. Detroit,
they've gone through their struggles recently. Hell, when they won
on Sunday, they broke a six game losing streak. I mean,
the Astros, and they can pitch, if they can pitch,
and they're hitting a lot better, and they're still getting
(08:52):
guys back too. They've had some some injured players to
deal with, you know, with them, the Yankees don't don't
scare me. I mean, you see New York. I think
that you could handle a good pitch and can get
them out.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I do.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Well, you saw last year even with Soto and Judge, right,
it was if Soto and Judge hit, that team wins.
If Soto and Judge don't hit well, then it's it's
bad times.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And the one thing going for them, the guy has
completely changed the I mean he's got a chance at
the Triple Crown. Now, if I'd have told you Aaron
Judge are going to lead the league in average, what
would you have said? I mean, he's always paid. Yeah,
but but but he also is a guy who strikes
out a lot, yet he is his bat control for
a guy who's going to hit fifty plus home runs
(09:35):
again this year is pretty impressive. That guy gets better
every year, whether you like him or and I think
he's a hell of a good guy. I do. I'm
a fan because he feels really humble to me. I do.
There's nothing about the guy I don't like. And if
you can get him out, you beat the you beat
the Yankees. And it'll be a tough task if you
(09:56):
if you face him, but if you get him out consistently.
They because the big fella Stanton, I just I just
got to throw him balls away and did not give
him some fastball. It's sitting, you know, dead red, so
he can hit its five hundred feet. But you get
you get judge out. You got a real chance to
beat the Yankees in a series. And I know he's
looking forward to a big postseason because for him to
(10:18):
validate that part of his career as well. But it's
gonna be fun. And I don't think the Yankees are
going to be the team they'll be playing in the ALCS.
That's just my opinion. If they get there, I don't.
I think Detroit's a fair I think depending on what
the Red Sox do and how they're pitching holds up
because I'm gonna tell you what, what's his name who
came over from the White Sox, Garrett Crochet. Dude is
(10:40):
frigging pitching like Sandy Kofax right now. So that and
you know what, Toronto kind of quietly just kind of
doing their thing because we always overrate them going in
and we didn't overrate them this year. Now they're in
first place. Pretty interesting. There's there's some places and the Astros.
As long as the pitching stays healthy, even with all
the other crowd going on, they will have a legitimate
(11:02):
chance to get where they're going. Validate what we think
about them, and that is that there's resilient as any
team in sports sports period. They really are. You might
not like them, but you have to respect them.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And that's usually what I tell people from the outside that, oh,
the Astros, I'm like, wow. I mean, look, you guys
tried to pass this narrative that the only reason they
won in seventeen was for doing something, and then they
got back in twenty nineteen, then they got back in
twenty one, and then they won it.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
In twenty two. Sailed. That's a lazy narrative. Now it's lazy.
You beat it up and rightfully, so okay, and you've
milked it for a couple of years. This team gets
there because this team gets it, not because of a
trash can, and they probably would have won that World
Series trash can or not anyway, So that there it is,
old and tired.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Beat you twice in your own building too, So go
ahead and vote on that ELI City Council.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
This has been a constant theme of conversation that we've
had here on the Shawn Salisbury Show, and it took
a really dark turn. We'll talk about it here. It
is The Shawn Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety
And sewn, I have the answer to your question where
no matter what was the question, what was the question?
So it was Thanksgiving? No matter where the Astros season ends,
How are we talking about the twenty twenty five Astro Yeah,
you do?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You describe it to me. I didn't watch the season.
Tell me what the theme was and when when you're
talking at Thanksgiving dinner, what's the conversation that surrounded the
Astros when all a sudden done.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
This shows you were achieved, got the most out of
this team, because you'd never go into a season expecting
that you're gonna need more than what thirty five players
you're hoping because I mean, you are gonna have injuries,
You are gonna have guys that are out. But I
mean to the stat that I said that Chandler Rome
shared on Sunday that with Estoc Paratus out, you now
have five guys who were in your opening day lineup
(00:46):
that are on the IL currently at the moment right
and some might be back sooner rather than later. You
don't know on certain others, but I mean, who on
the who who on their BINGO card this year had
Taylor Tremmel contributing, Because I mean, you knew that they
signed him. You knew that they had him, but you
were hoping they weren't going to have to need them.
That was more or less insurance for if Jake Myers
(01:07):
didn't become the Jake Myers that we got to.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Know this year, we may show up in West Palm Beach,
who on their Bengal card had Gordon Walter, a litany
of player of bullpen pitchers, Kurt O, Kurt Susa, Augusto
Yes before you heard no question about it, had Cam
(01:31):
Smith leading off and doing it when it was beginning
to trank. He wasn't in spring training, he wasn't going,
you were thinking twenty twenty seven is when we see
Cam Smith right and and hopefully he's ready to go.
Then I mean paradist. I mean you go through the list, dude,
and all these young players. So the sweet part of
it is we're getting a glimpse of what it looks
like the stay and still in first place. The bummer
(01:54):
part of it is that you wonder if you're getting
the most out of it. Yet you start to think, well,
is this a blessing in disguise? Because some of these
young guys are actually better maybe than some of the
guys who were KG. But you got to listen, you're
not just depth wise alone. So when you say you're
gonna say they overachieved, overachieved into what first place? Elimination
(02:14):
of the playoffs? What overachieved into made it to the ALCS,
overachieved into winning a World Series, or just overachieved and
made the Playoffs's the what's the end game as far
as what we're saying about them overall how they ended
the season aside the theme for you will be overachieved?
Does that overachievement end up in deep into the playoffs,
(02:34):
missing the playoffs, winning the division wars? It end?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I think that this team, you get six of those
sixteen guys back, there's no reason this team can't at
least get to an LCS how well they've pitched, and
you get some of those guys back, and I mean
you do that after abouts you know what in November
December last year, I'm trying to remember when Kyle Tucker
was traded, But when that happened, it was the doom
(02:59):
and glue. It was the thought of, yeah, Dana's same,
We're going to compete now, but why don't we pay
anybody right right, It's all of that turned out pretty good.
So I mean, I mean even when we did our
season predictions, I picked the Astros to win the West,
but you row flow a lot of people going with
the Rangers.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, I picked. I picked the Rangers to come back
and win. I had the Astros I think as a
wild card. Yeah, but I had the Rangers win in
the division. And I'm not going to waffle. We obviously
know who I want to win the division. But just
looking at it fair when you and that was pre
all this stuff that that was with Jorda unhealthy and
al Tuove in left field and whoever is going to
(03:35):
be your regular second basement and having some depth and
and hoping that that Cam Smith can be a player,
But who's going to replace Tucker and right field? And
will parade us be anything like Bregman at third base?
Offensively when he's going hot after his initial starts, and
then and defensively, I mean, look around yet. I mean
you're starting to see your guy Christian Walker heat up.
But the yiner hasn't played what we're used to. They've
(03:58):
been hurt all over starting pitching, answer has had his
ups and downs, and right now going through some downs,
so you you roll through the damn thing and it's like,
there's no way. So and I had I had them
getting to the playoffs without winning the division, and that's
with all of them healthy, and now they're I mean,
look where they're at now. So yeah, so you think,
(04:20):
so World Series isn't how this is going to end
in your mind? I don't see that.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I don't see any reason why it can't. I just
would you bet it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
No, because I just I don't know how many of
those guys are coming back.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
There you go, and I think the majority of people
would say the same thing. And so I'm curious what
our callers saying. When you're sitting at Thanksgiving dinner and
the baseball comes up, which you know those it always says, yeah,
you just finished with I wish as this year is
pretty good? How does it in this year? And what's
the theme that you're going to talk about? Yours is undefeated,
(04:55):
make it to the playoffs, hope for a World Series,
but right now, just not enough depth and stars to
do it.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I would say that another you know, how you thought
about this season satisfying because when you had all of
the guys that were part of your core, you know,
the Koreas, the Springers, all of those guys. I mean,
it was anything less than at least going to the
LCS hell in some people's eyes, anything less than going
to the World Series and winning.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It was a disappointment.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And the fact that this year we're even having the
conversation that they could still possibly be able to do
all of those things. I mean, I think that it's
almost gravy at this point that you look at it
and you say, however, this thing ends.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Right we sit back and say house money, those players
in back saying, screw house money.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
This is my career that we got to go. Still
got twenty seven over there. We've still got a lot
of really good players here exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Here's mine. If I was saying it, I would say
validation would be my theme. They validated who we think
they are. They just keep developing players in the future.
Looks validated that we know it's not just when somebody
gets hurt so somebody else can step in. Validation of
how we feel about their grind, I guess, and their resilience.
For me. Secondly, I think this team will be in
(06:08):
the American League Championship series, especially if the pitching stays healthy.
Now I don't know if hitting's going to do it,
and I'm saying this, and that's not knowing when PAINA
and the group's going to come back. I think they'll
validate how we feel about the organization. Maybe you don't
pay as much, but that they continue and the window
(06:29):
stays open, validate that for us. And then I think
that I think they'll be playing for a league for
a chance to go to the World Series in a
long series and see if they can pull. I don't
know right now if they will, but I think at
the end will also be whether they get that far
or not, or if they do get that far, we'll
be saying there's no way you would have expected this,
considering all that they've been through and how much longer
(06:50):
are these injuries going to last before you actually have
a full go. And that's a lot a lot of
sidebars in this run, man, And there's there's a massive
amount of sidebars.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And I think that you know, it's also looking at
everybody else and you don't know what trades you know
the Yankees or the Blue Jays, or you know the Tigers,
any any of those other teams are going to make
I mean, hell, even in your own division. Just thought
that the guy hit a home run off you last
night is going to go back to Seattle. Heino Suarez,
and you have him and cal Raley hitting with each other.
I mean, when they're going good, it's a pretty lethal tandem.
(07:20):
But there's also a lot of al dudes. Got two
five home runs, dude, or is it Morena? He homberg
again last night?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
He did? Yeah, i' thought he's what at thirty six?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, he hit a two pitch for a homer and
that was exactly that thirty six.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Thirty six home runs. The majority of the league ain't
going is it ain't gonna hit thirty six this year,
let alone thirty. There's not a guy on this team
that I think is going to sniff thirty this year.
I think about that. I think about at the at
the midway point you've had a season, he'll strike out
one hundred and eighty times, but nobody cares because he
can pump the ball out. So yeah, I'm I'm anxious
(07:56):
see what it's going to look like when we're having
this conversation next Tuesday about the trail as it pushes
with the deadline to thirty first, So that's what like
next Thursday or Friday Thursday. Yeah, there you go, so Thursday,
four o'clock local time. Anxious to see where it goes.
But yeah, how our fans feel about what it's going
to listeners? How and the Astros fans should I say
what you what you're going to be saying in your
(08:18):
debate or your conversation at your Thanksgiving table about the Astros.
The one word to describe them are the one sentence?
And where does the season end? Does it end in
November or does it end somewhere before then? Curious?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, I mean you would love for it to end
in November. And if it does, I mean that's even
more gravy. But I mean just for right now, you know,
I look at some of the other teams out there. Detroit,
they've gone through their struggles recently. Hell, when they won
on Sunday, they broke a six game losing streak. I mean,
the Astros, and they can pitch, if they can pitch,
and they're hitting a lot better, and they're still getting
(08:52):
guys back too. They've had some some injured players to
deal with, you know, with them, the Yankees don't don't
scare me. I mean, you see New York. I think
that you could handle a good pitch and can get
them out.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I do.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Well, you saw last year even with Soto and Judge, right,
it was if Soto and Judge hit, that team wins.
If Soto and Judge don't hit well, then it's it's
bad times.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And the one thing going for them, the guy has
completely changed the I mean he's got a chance at
the Triple Crown. Now, if I'd have told you Aaron
Judge are going to lead the league in average, what
would you have said? I mean, he's always paid. Yeah,
but but but he also is a guy who strikes
out a lot, yet he is his bat control for
a guy who's going to hit fifty plus home runs
(09:35):
again this year is pretty impressive. That guy gets better
every year, whether you like him or and I think
he's a hell of a good guy. I do. I'm
a fan because he feels really humble to me. I do.
There's nothing about the guy I don't like. And if
you can get him out, you beat the you beat
the Yankees. And it'll be a tough task if you
(09:56):
if you face him, but if you get him out consistently.
They because the big fella Stanton, I just I just
got to throw him balls away and did not give
him some fastball. It's sitting, you know, dead red, so
he can hit its five hundred feet. But you get
you get judge out. You got a real chance to
beat the Yankees in a series. And I know he's
looking forward to a big postseason because for him to
(10:18):
validate that part of his career as well. But it's
gonna be fun. And I don't think the Yankees are
going to be the team they'll be playing in the ALCS.
That's just my opinion. If they get there, I don't.
I think Detroit's a fair I think depending on what
the Red Sox do and how they're pitching holds up
because I'm gonna tell you what, what's his name who
came over from the White Sox, Garrett Crochet. Dude is
(10:40):
frigging pitching like Sandy Kofax right now. So that and
you know what, Toronto kind of quietly just kind of
doing their thing because we always overrate them going in
and we didn't overrate them this year. Now they're in
first place. Pretty interesting. There's there's some places and the Astros.
As long as the pitching stays healthy, even with all
the other crowd going on, they will have a legitimate
(11:02):
chance to get where they're going. Validate what we think
about them, and that is that there's resilient as any
team in sports sports period. They really are. You might
not like them, but you have to respect them.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And that's usually what I tell people from the outside that, oh,
the Astros, I'm like, wow. I mean, look, you guys
tried to pass this narrative that the only reason they
won in seventeen was for doing something, and then they
got back in twenty nineteen, then they got back in
twenty one, and then they won it.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
In twenty two. Sailed. That's a lazy narrative. Now it's lazy.
You beat it up and rightfully, so okay, and you've
milked it for a couple of years. This team gets
there because this team gets it, not because of a
trash can, and they probably would have won that World
Series trash can or not anyway, So that there it is,
old and tired.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Beat you twice in your own building too, So go
ahead and vote on that ELI City Council.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
This has been a constant theme of conversation that we've
had here on the Shawn Salisbury Show, and it took
a really dark turn. We'll talk about it here. It
is The Shawn Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety
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