February 5, 2025 • 13 mins
With Sunday inching closer and closer, the anticipation for kickoff headlining the Philadelphia Eagles taking on the Kansas City Chiefs has fans eagerly waiting for what is the final showdown of the season. Looking to be a rematch from Super Bowl LVII and taking a moment discussing what this moment may feel like, NFL legend Bernie Kosar joins Sean and Brian and sheds a bit of his experience throughout his twelve year tenure in the NFL. Along with a prediction on Sunday's winner, Bernie also shares a bit insight pertaining to what players may expect rolling into Sunday's game far as the atmosphere, nerves, and the surreal feeling of Super Bowl weekend leading right into gameday on Sunday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we're found.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The Sewn Salisbury Show continues.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
National Champion, done it all, my guy, Bernie Coles are Bernie,
Welcome in Man, been too long, brother Sean here?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey Sean, what a great surprise here, brother, Good morning
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning to you too.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's still always a great surprise and great insight to
have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Let me start here.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I want to dive into some serious football stuff and
some laughs too. You're the general manager of an NFL
team and we're drafting a quarterback and or we're trading
for one.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
What are we looking for first?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So I've pride myself on being a cerebral ex quarterback
and stuff, and I plaged your eyes a lot of
my information currently from the great Sean Salisbury. So I
really if I could have got to the question first,
I would have asked you that, brother. But one of
the things that you know, I think some of us
(00:56):
old school guys kind of believe in and we've really
seen over time, is having the leadership for sure, having
the confidence. I got assure it on today you matter
and I'm not doing that you matter because of the
hurricanes and that, but self confidence, self belief, telling people
(01:16):
that they matter the quarterback, understanding that he matters, understanding
him truly believing that he's the guy. And then we
are victims are beneficiary, Sean and the guys around us,
just like in life. So having a team, you know,
and a system that fits what you're going to be doing.
And we, you and me, have watched more quarterbacks kind
(01:37):
of get ruined early in drafts and early in careers
because the systems and the players around them don't match
up to maybe what their skill set or their leadership
or their belief in himself. So it's a fine, it's
a fine recipe to kind of put things together with
four or five of those components to hope to get
(01:58):
out that franchise quarterback and hopefully get another CJ.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Stroud. There you go.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And he's specially and Bernie, you and I played in
the same era, and you talked about priding yourself on
being the cerebral part of it, and everybody knew you
as a guy who knew where to throw it and
why you were throwing it there. And now we're in
and I love some spread open all. I like some
new age stuff too, mixed with old school. Are we
doing our quarterbacks to this service by taking the decision
(02:26):
making process at the line of scrimmage pre snap. Are
we doing a service by taking it out of their hands?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Would you?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I know you had a lot put on you mentally
as a quarterback. Is that an advantage or a disadvantage?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So I go to the old school belief and the
way we were raised that we have the responsibility and
had to know the ex's and o's and wanted that
responsibility out there. And I did struggle with that transition
from being able to call the place yourself and not
have voices in your head to having voices and talking
(03:02):
in your head with that and that's actually sometimes a
little was disruptive, and I think it could be disruptive
to younger quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And I really would like.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
To see more of that comprehens of all twenty two coaching,
where the quarterback has the responsibility and really is the
field general, understanding everything that's going around him from the
exos and o's component.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Bernie Cozar seventeen years in the NFL Pro bowler was
on a Super Bowl team, National Championship team, and I
think all of us old school would realize that he's
one of the more cerebral bright minds that ever played
the position.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Bernie, you mentioned CJ.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Stroud, and I know you've seen plenty of him.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Have we even scratched the surface of how good the
guy can be?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, No, that's the scary thing for the rest of
the league and the positive thing for your Texan fans,
and that is is he's still blossoming. He's still growing
and to see to see the just the pure athleticism,
the pure touch, the pure confidence, the pure accuracy that
(04:13):
he's throwing. I know there was a bump statistically in
the road this year, but again here here we're talking
about two.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Years in a row.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Now he's been a playoff quarterback, the team's been a
playoff quarterback. I believe. I believe that the mixture of
what the system you know, was trying to be the
first couple of years. And you kind of talked about
it too, and the previous question about for young quarterbacks
and maybe what you're looking for or how to make
(04:41):
them successful. But I made a mistake at the end
of my career. I thought I had to be cool.
I thought I had to be in shotgun all the time.
I thought I had to be calling the place, spread
everybody out and and and make downfield throws, and there
is no shame and no no nothing that makes you
(05:02):
feel bad by running the ball, play action, using using
the tight end, or using a second back in there
to block and stuff. And Texans kind of implemented some
of that. And I believe that's the type of stuff
that CD Stroud, with his athleticism and his anticipation on
some of those over type throws that you could get
(05:25):
off of the play action game. I think he could.
He's gonna keep getting even more special with the way
the team plays all three phases of the game.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He throws that intermediate ball at mid level ball about
as good as anybody we have in the league. Bernie
Cozar continues to join us for a few more minutes
here on Sports Talk seven ninety Sean Stalisbury Show. Bernie,
let me get to your your beloved Cleveland Browns. I
love the fans. I know your affinity for them, my man.
I've played against you in playoff games and the rest
of it, and I know what that city and that
football franchise means to you. Hard question I know to answer,
(05:59):
because the quarterbacks position, are they going to regret the
Deshaun Watson contract and decision.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, one of the one of the fun things about
our business is the finality of it, and one of
the bad things about it is the finality of just
whether you win or lose. And we're ultimately only judged
by the wins and losses. And if you look at
(06:26):
just that, as Sean, you know, us old school guys do,
is that then hasn't been successful. And one of the
things that's happened now with the second pick of the
draft is is the old Bill Parcells line. You are,
you are, what your record is, and when you are
picking second, that isn't that isn't at all an element
(06:50):
of success. So how now how you get out of
that and how you move forward? You are in the
digital world type life, Sean, we all like to live
in Man. We'd love to have a third year in
a row where the Houston Texans take C. J. Stroud,
the Washington Commanders take Jade and Daniels okay, and then
(07:13):
Cleveland Brown's go that same path. But statistically, God, Sean,
you and me know how tough that is to do.
And having also the pieces around you to to rectify
rectify that is something that's obviously has to be addressed
here in Cleveland, Bernie.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean, look, Baker had some good moments. He did,
he did some good things as a quarterback there. And
I know they've had pick after pick after pick. It's
been since you. And that's no disrespect to guys who've
tried well, they've had sustained great success at the position.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Why have they missed so much? Well? What is it?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I mean, you're around you, and I know if we
had the answer, we'd bottle it up and sell it.
But can you put your finger on a franchise you love?
How are they missed at that position with high picks
so often? And it really has not You won't say it,
but I will. It has not been since you since
they've had sustained success at that position.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
How do they get back to that? Well?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Well, Sean, first, thanks brother for swallowing my cranium.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
My headset now doesn't fit a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So if talking from the distance, you know, it's only
from a swell, a swelled cranium in that. But the
thing that the thing again that I kind of been
talking through and I'm not trying to talk in my
as my daughter says, in a word, salad and that,
but we are victims of beneficiaries of the guys around us.
(08:43):
And I could go back to the show in my age,
to the team coming back in nineteen ninety nine, and
I'm a big fan of Tim Couch first pick at
a draft for the Browns coming back, and I actually
believe Tim Couch is it was an unbelievable quarterback and
is a tough guy and played exceptional football.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But nobody else in.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Cleveland thinks believed me in that, and they would call
them a bust. And Sean, we are such victims or
beneficiaries of the guys around us, just like in life.
And how I'm able to look good today showing up
and you guys have all the technical stuff beautifully set
up for me here to do that that being able
(09:26):
to have have the people around you to help you,
and system wise has sometimes been lacking, and systems players pressure,
playing too early hasn't matched up, and then you're trying
to sometimes in the past, win the offseason, win.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
The pr battles of it.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Those those things have added up to really us the
first quarter of this century being something where the weekends
of been been tough to swallow.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, they have now let me in this with you.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I know you've got a lot going on, brother, and
it means a lot to me to have you on
and you know my affinity for you. Super Bowl, We've
got one hell of a matchup, and I know the
referee talk and all this stuff that's going on, it's
almost overshadowed the great talent on both sides, on both
sides of the ball and on both these teams.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Do you got a thought on this game and who
you like? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So, Sean, this one is one of the things that
I do is a rematch of the Kansas City Philadelphia
and being from Cleveland and here talking down in Houston,
but the Kelsey's grew up in Cleveland Heights. By me
here in Cleveland, and Travis is doing an unbelievable charity
(10:45):
in Kansas City called Operation Breakthrough. And I'm proud to
be talking to you here today as a guy now
with sixties after sixty surgery shot, I know hundred concussions,
fifteen seizures. Heck, my last couple seizures as in a
coma seventy two ninety six hours. Most of this century
(11:05):
I was scripted on north of eighty to one hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Pills a day.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So to be told seven years ago that I have
five years left to cognitive brain function, to not be
able to say cognitive, to not be able to enunciate, articulate,
communicate any multiple syllable words, to be able to kind
of turn back to cognitive decline and be diagnosed here
with Parkinson's early stage dementia, and then be put on
(11:30):
the liver transplant list. Yet to be able to be
physically fine and be able to positively talk about this today.
Mental awareness and mental health is something that I've been
really proud of, and working with some of the people
like Travis and the Kelsey family and stuff has been phenomenal.
And since Jason has retired, I am not conflicted, so
(11:52):
I can easily just root for the Chiefs, unlike most
of America.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Brother, you gotta score before I let you go.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I want to see I want to see Travis and
and Patrick Mahons score some points. You know, I'm biased
towards I'm biased towards the offenses, so I love what
I love the quarterbacks and stuff, so I'm I'm always
rooting for big scores.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
There you go, I'm gonna let you go on that.
My man, listen, you sound phenomenal. You know I follow
every step of the way and your grind and your
resilience and the help you've received, but also the help
you've given others. Maybe the most important thing you've ever done.
And you've done a lot of great things. Raising family
obviously at the top of that list. And a hell
of a player.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And I love you, my man. To talk to you,
I will do that, all right, brother, love you.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Thanks. That's a great Bernie Cozar. Well, you talk about
a guy who's been through some adversity, and I can
tell you what, he's one of the most positive people
I've ever been around. Hell of a run. We'll come
back discuss what he talked about, and I like it.
He's got his guys from Cleveland Heights and he's going
Kansas City all all day, all the time.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
That's Bernie Kozar, one of the best. Come right back.
And we're found.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The Sewn Salisbury Show continues.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
National Champion, done it all, my guy, Bernie Coles are Bernie,
Welcome in Man, been too long, brother Sean here?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey Sean, what a great surprise here, brother, Good morning
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning to you too.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's still always a great surprise and great insight to
have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Let me start here.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I want to dive into some serious football stuff and
some laughs too. You're the general manager of an NFL
team and we're drafting a quarterback and or we're trading
for one.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
What are we looking for first?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So I've pride myself on being a cerebral ex quarterback
and stuff, and I plaged your eyes a lot of
my information currently from the great Sean Salisbury. So I
really if I could have got to the question first,
I would have asked you that, brother. But one of
the things that you know, I think some of us
(00:56):
old school guys kind of believe in and we've really
seen over time, is having the leadership for sure, having
the confidence. I got assure it on today you matter
and I'm not doing that you matter because of the
hurricanes and that, but self confidence, self belief, telling people
(01:16):
that they matter the quarterback, understanding that he matters, understanding
him truly believing that he's the guy. And then we
are victims are beneficiary, Sean and the guys around us,
just like in life. So having a team, you know,
and a system that fits what you're going to be doing.
And we, you and me, have watched more quarterbacks kind
(01:37):
of get ruined early in drafts and early in careers
because the systems and the players around them don't match
up to maybe what their skill set or their leadership
or their belief in himself. So it's a fine, it's
a fine recipe to kind of put things together with
four or five of those components to hope to get
(01:58):
out that franchise quarterback and hopefully get another CJ.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Stroud. There you go.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And he's specially and Bernie, you and I played in
the same era, and you talked about priding yourself on
being the cerebral part of it, and everybody knew you
as a guy who knew where to throw it and
why you were throwing it there. And now we're in
and I love some spread open all. I like some
new age stuff too, mixed with old school. Are we
doing our quarterbacks to this service by taking the decision
(02:26):
making process at the line of scrimmage pre snap. Are
we doing a service by taking it out of their hands?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Would you?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I know you had a lot put on you mentally
as a quarterback. Is that an advantage or a disadvantage?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So I go to the old school belief and the
way we were raised that we have the responsibility and
had to know the ex's and o's and wanted that
responsibility out there. And I did struggle with that transition
from being able to call the place yourself and not
have voices in your head to having voices and talking
(03:02):
in your head with that and that's actually sometimes a
little was disruptive, and I think it could be disruptive
to younger quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And I really would like.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
To see more of that comprehens of all twenty two coaching,
where the quarterback has the responsibility and really is the
field general, understanding everything that's going around him from the
exos and o's component.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Bernie Cozar seventeen years in the NFL Pro bowler was
on a Super Bowl team, National Championship team, and I
think all of us old school would realize that he's
one of the more cerebral bright minds that ever played
the position.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Bernie, you mentioned CJ.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Stroud, and I know you've seen plenty of him.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Have we even scratched the surface of how good the
guy can be?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, No, that's the scary thing for the rest of
the league and the positive thing for your Texan fans,
and that is is he's still blossoming. He's still growing
and to see to see the just the pure athleticism,
the pure touch, the pure confidence, the pure accuracy that
(04:13):
he's throwing. I know there was a bump statistically in
the road this year, but again here here we're talking
about two.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Years in a row.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Now he's been a playoff quarterback, the team's been a
playoff quarterback. I believe. I believe that the mixture of
what the system you know, was trying to be the
first couple of years. And you kind of talked about
it too, and the previous question about for young quarterbacks
and maybe what you're looking for or how to make
(04:41):
them successful. But I made a mistake at the end
of my career. I thought I had to be cool.
I thought I had to be in shotgun all the time.
I thought I had to be calling the place, spread
everybody out and and and make downfield throws, and there
is no shame and no no nothing that makes you
(05:02):
feel bad by running the ball, play action, using using
the tight end, or using a second back in there
to block and stuff. And Texans kind of implemented some
of that. And I believe that's the type of stuff
that CD Stroud, with his athleticism and his anticipation on
some of those over type throws that you could get
(05:25):
off of the play action game. I think he could.
He's gonna keep getting even more special with the way
the team plays all three phases of the game.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He throws that intermediate ball at mid level ball about
as good as anybody we have in the league. Bernie
Cozar continues to join us for a few more minutes
here on Sports Talk seven ninety Sean Stalisbury Show. Bernie,
let me get to your your beloved Cleveland Browns. I
love the fans. I know your affinity for them, my man.
I've played against you in playoff games and the rest
of it, and I know what that city and that
football franchise means to you. Hard question I know to answer,
(05:59):
because the quarterbacks position, are they going to regret the
Deshaun Watson contract and decision.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, one of the one of the fun things about
our business is the finality of it, and one of
the bad things about it is the finality of just
whether you win or lose. And we're ultimately only judged
by the wins and losses. And if you look at
(06:26):
just that, as Sean, you know, us old school guys do,
is that then hasn't been successful. And one of the
things that's happened now with the second pick of the
draft is is the old Bill Parcells line. You are,
you are, what your record is, and when you are
picking second, that isn't that isn't at all an element
(06:50):
of success. So how now how you get out of
that and how you move forward? You are in the
digital world type life, Sean, we all like to live
in Man. We'd love to have a third year in
a row where the Houston Texans take C. J. Stroud,
the Washington Commanders take Jade and Daniels okay, and then
(07:13):
Cleveland Brown's go that same path. But statistically, God, Sean,
you and me know how tough that is to do.
And having also the pieces around you to to rectify
rectify that is something that's obviously has to be addressed
here in Cleveland, Bernie.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean, look, Baker had some good moments. He did,
he did some good things as a quarterback there. And
I know they've had pick after pick after pick. It's
been since you. And that's no disrespect to guys who've
tried well, they've had sustained great success at the position.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Why have they missed so much? Well? What is it?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I mean, you're around you, and I know if we
had the answer, we'd bottle it up and sell it.
But can you put your finger on a franchise you love?
How are they missed at that position with high picks
so often? And it really has not You won't say it,
but I will. It has not been since you since
they've had sustained success at that position.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
How do they get back to that? Well?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Well, Sean, first, thanks brother for swallowing my cranium.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
My headset now doesn't fit a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So if talking from the distance, you know, it's only
from a swell, a swelled cranium in that. But the
thing that the thing again that I kind of been
talking through and I'm not trying to talk in my
as my daughter says, in a word, salad and that,
but we are victims of beneficiaries of the guys around us.
(08:43):
And I could go back to the show in my age,
to the team coming back in nineteen ninety nine, and
I'm a big fan of Tim Couch first pick at
a draft for the Browns coming back, and I actually
believe Tim Couch is it was an unbelievable quarterback and
is a tough guy and played exceptional football.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But nobody else in.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Cleveland thinks believed me in that, and they would call
them a bust. And Sean, we are such victims or
beneficiaries of the guys around us, just like in life.
And how I'm able to look good today showing up
and you guys have all the technical stuff beautifully set
up for me here to do that that being able
(09:26):
to have have the people around you to help you,
and system wise has sometimes been lacking, and systems players pressure,
playing too early hasn't matched up, and then you're trying
to sometimes in the past, win the offseason, win.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
The pr battles of it.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Those those things have added up to really us the
first quarter of this century being something where the weekends
of been been tough to swallow.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, they have now let me in this with you.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I know you've got a lot going on, brother, and
it means a lot to me to have you on
and you know my affinity for you. Super Bowl, We've
got one hell of a matchup, and I know the
referee talk and all this stuff that's going on, it's
almost overshadowed the great talent on both sides, on both
sides of the ball and on both these teams.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Do you got a thought on this game and who
you like? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So, Sean, this one is one of the things that
I do is a rematch of the Kansas City Philadelphia
and being from Cleveland and here talking down in Houston,
but the Kelsey's grew up in Cleveland Heights. By me
here in Cleveland, and Travis is doing an unbelievable charity
(10:45):
in Kansas City called Operation Breakthrough. And I'm proud to
be talking to you here today as a guy now
with sixties after sixty surgery shot, I know hundred concussions,
fifteen seizures. Heck, my last couple seizures as in a
coma seventy two ninety six hours. Most of this century
(11:05):
I was scripted on north of eighty to one hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Pills a day.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So to be told seven years ago that I have
five years left to cognitive brain function, to not be
able to say cognitive, to not be able to enunciate, articulate,
communicate any multiple syllable words, to be able to kind
of turn back to cognitive decline and be diagnosed here
with Parkinson's early stage dementia, and then be put on
(11:30):
the liver transplant list. Yet to be able to be
physically fine and be able to positively talk about this today.
Mental awareness and mental health is something that I've been
really proud of, and working with some of the people
like Travis and the Kelsey family and stuff has been phenomenal.
And since Jason has retired, I am not conflicted, so
(11:52):
I can easily just root for the Chiefs, unlike most
of America.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Brother, you gotta score before I let you go.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I want to see I want to see Travis and
and Patrick Mahons score some points. You know, I'm biased
towards I'm biased towards the offenses, so I love what
I love the quarterbacks and stuff, so I'm I'm always
rooting for big scores.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
There you go, I'm gonna let you go on that.
My man, listen, you sound phenomenal. You know I follow
every step of the way and your grind and your
resilience and the help you've received, but also the help
you've given others. Maybe the most important thing you've ever done.
And you've done a lot of great things. Raising family
obviously at the top of that list. And a hell
of a player.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And I love you, my man. To talk to you,
I will do that, all right, brother, love you.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Thanks. That's a great Bernie Cozar. Well, you talk about
a guy who's been through some adversity, and I can
tell you what, he's one of the most positive people
I've ever been around. Hell of a run. We'll come
back discuss what he talked about, and I like it.
He's got his guys from Cleveland Heights and he's going
Kansas City all all day, all the time.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
That's Bernie Kozar, one of the best. Come right back.
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