NFL Draft Round One Recap, Astros Began Series Against The Royals, Aaron Wilson Joins & Talks Draft!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Salsbury.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Okay, let's do this.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Shawn Salisbury to usc true longtime friend, Shawn Salisbury.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Dan matthewscuse House. This is the Sewan Salsbury Show.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Yeah, what a good spot. Feel really good about where
we are. We went into the day. I'd say, honestly,
we had three different scenarios. Trade up, say twenty five pick,
trade back. I mean Tamiko and I have been talking
about it basically for two three days. Here's some different scenarios,
here are some possibilities. I don't want to say we
talked to the whole league, but we probably talked to
the whole league on every different level. So you know,

(00:43):
there's some players that we identified somewhere out of reach.
You know, some you know, any and trades or byproduct
of teams willing to make a decision to move or not.
So you know, we fell at twenty five. You know,
that was the best thing for us, put us in
a pretty good spot to twos three threes, picked up
another three next year, So I mean, we'll deal with tomorrow.

(01:05):
We think we're gonna get some pretty good football players tomorrow.
We felt like the value to draft was basically in
the middle, so try to take advantage of our opportunities
here tomorrow, like.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
And love Sean. I love how he said, Wait, I
love Nick, But the captain obvious statements. Well, we went
into the draft thinking we had three ways to go.
We could trade down, stay where we are, trade up. Well,
not the only three things you can't do other than
skip your pick.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
My favorite was the we we you know, we didn't
talk to everybody in the league, but we pretty much
talked to everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
In the league.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Hey, Nick, what are your what do you think you're
gonna do?

Speaker 7 (01:36):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
We got thanks for really giving us some really good insight. Sure,
what do you got? Well, we got three we got
three things we're thinking about. We think about trading down,
we think about staying there at twenty five, we're thinking
about trading up. Well, can you go sideway somewhere? What happens?
I mean, what's the only other options? And you miss it?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:59):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Is there a magic pick that you can make a
twenty five A right? Thank you for letting us know
you had three options, like every other frigging team that
picks in the draft, to trade stay, trade down, trade up,
or stay great Really, like, you know, just kind of
a blah. Right, when you trade out of the first round,

(02:19):
there's no there's no thriller excitement. So if somebody threw
a party here, sorry you missed out of the great fun.

Speaker 9 (02:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Not getting a picky, but it I think when Gray's
Abel fell out of the top ten or twelve, I
think you started. I think it was where was he
in the teens, right early teens. I think a guy
they've coveted, who rows in the draft. I think that
one when that when you started to see that when
Banks and Zabel go and you start see Lineman go,

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You're hoping, okay, then he's out, and then you know,
you're thinking the two positions really the two offensive parts
of the ball guard tackle and then wide receiver. And
then all of a sudden, heck, I'm setting thinking it
was a tight could you get a tight end falling there? No,
they went after Warren missed out, you know, Lovelan went
ahead of him. But then they're starting to roll down.
I'm thinking, okay, these receivers and then all of a

(03:10):
sudden they there's a couple went and I think after
as you saw, when it got to a certain point
where a receiver they loved a tight ends that they
would have even considered, and the offensive line they loved.
They felt that, well, a second or third round, we
can get more value there with an offensive lineman than
we can with a guy we're kind of taking a
flyer on who we had as a second round grade. Anyway,

(03:32):
So you got some ammunition, but it was, you know,
blah for the Texans. But if we've always said it's
it's the second to sixth, to fifth, sixth, seventh round,
those guys are the ones that make up your team.
You know what first rounders are going to give you,
at least you should and then you make up teams.
So they've loaded with what two two's, two threes and

(03:54):
then another three next year? Is that what I got
they got or something? So they're pretty loaded up, man,
with some good assets. But just because we think they
have to take somebody in the first round, no, they
actually don't. There's a value situation that you know it's
the thirty fourth pick or the fifty seventh pick. If
you had the guy, a guy that at the fifty

(04:14):
seventh pick, that the first round's there, and none of
the guys that you have on your board are first
round draft grades. Why take them, unless you were panicked
that what are they picking thirty fourth, which is pretty
quick in the second round, unless you right, unless you
panicked and said, oh my gosh, what if in this
the later picks in the first round after us, or

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that first pick in the second round he gets the
guy we want, Well, then you go to the next one.
But they got themselves some ammunition, and I'm okay with it.
I didn't expect. I actually thought they would move up
to try and grab themselves somebody in the teens. But
they looked at the other way, grab more assets because
there's nobody past twenty when they got twenty five that
they loved, and they made that decision was made pretty

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quickly once they got out of the teens.

Speaker 6 (04:59):
Right how we say coach speak all the time this
GM speak. He said a lot, and he said nothing
right like where it's just you know, oh yeah, hey,
we could trade up, we could do all this everything
you just laid out where it's just like, yeah, doing
your job.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
We got it. We we completely get it.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
But Nozaba went eighteen to Seattle and then I think
the one and we're going to talk with Aaron Wilson
here coming up at nine o'clock this morning, the pick
right in front of him, Donovan Jackson. Like, I think that,
you know, it was it was two scenarios that Nick
was willing to play out. Is I think if Jackson
was there, they take him then I think that he

(05:36):
probably even had already a conversation with Joe Shane with
the Giants and said, all right, hey, if this is
how it plays out, we'll take your deal.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
We'll go with you.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
Guys, and then you know, you guys can come up
and get your quarterback.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah. When was what I'm trying to think exactly? You know,
it all runs together when you're watching all when did
they at what point? What pick were we on when
they made that trade? Remember schefter came out, but where
were we in the draft?

Speaker 6 (06:03):
I mean, it was as soon as the card was
turned in to get Jackson. So I think that it
was exactly that scenario that I.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
But who took Jackson the one before? Yeah, Minnesota took him,
but there was but the trade wasn't didn't go down
before Minnesopa Minnesota picked Okay, the trade I thought it
was three or four picks before. Okay, so Minnesota takes
him and then right then and there you're thinking, Okay,
like you said, now, that's when the scenario is coming
to play. If the GM was Ta Tugus, we were
going to take that guy, yea, and they grabbed him,

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and so now we and here's the irony. Who did
the Texans deal with more than anybody in trade so
far in this new regime Minnesota, They've they they've they've
had like three or so different deals. You've swapped players
or what happened. Yeah, even last year the Cleveland but
I'm talking about think about Daniel Hunter, you think about
Jonathan Grenade. Those the players that were swapped, and they're gears.

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Cam Akers left town to see last year because he's
been in that run scheme when he was with the
Rams and Kevin O'Connell there, so they've dealt with them.
And so when that happened, obviously two or three picks
before them, they had their mindset that guy. If that
guy's gone, that's the last guy. We cover it in
the first round. We will do what we want. And
you knew you had a desperate player even though Russ

(07:19):
Wilson and Jameis Winston are there. I'm just gonna tell you,
and it went like I had. As you know we've talked,
I liked Jackson Dart's second. I actually had him going higher,
but when he got in the Dable thing sitting there,
Dabel loves guys like him, physical good, a guy who's tough,

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a guy who can be versatile inside the pocket. Who's
Jackson Dart is outstanding pocket presence and manipulation of the pocket.
And we're get understands head up, not watching the pass rush,
versatile with his feet, can run the RPO. Who's that
remind you of? And they I think they even said
it last night, there's some Josh Allen feel South Palantonio

(08:02):
said it that Brian Dable said that he loves him
because he's tough like Josh Allen, has the versatility like Allan,
and quite frankly, right now he's more accurate than Alan
was when Alan came out of college. You know, maybe
that has something to do with where they played Ole
miss They play fast and Wyoming a little different weather,
right but regardless, so with that situation, so you knew

(08:23):
when they passed up top on a running back, I
thought maybe they'd take jed T right away because of
the makeup call for Barkley, and you knew how what
an impactful player he's going to be, right, and to
help the quarterbacks because those veteran quarterbacks are gonna need
run game help and so will a young guy. But
they passed on him, got their guy. What was Abdul Carter?
I believe, right, yeah, Abdual Carter? Right, yeah, So you

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get a guy who's a game wrecker, and then as
it starts to creep down, and there was no doubt
in I don't think in anybody's mind, aside from the
visuals you saw. When they traded up, it was to
get a quarterback and it was not to get sche
Door Sanders. They love Jackson Dart because of it. So
you want to talk about a big win. You get
a dominant, if not the most dominant defensive player in

(09:07):
the draft, and turn around and get what a lot
of people felt was the second best quarterback in the draft,
and Dable got a guy that fits what he loves
to do. In truth, you're a lame duck right now,
you and Mike Kafka. If you're the Giants, you need
a good season. The problem is, did they draft Jackson
Dart to be coached by somebody else because he's not
going to start right away. Now James turns the ball
over and throws it to the other team. But he's

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got to you know, he'll throw you into them and
throw you right out of him. Have a great game,
and then two where you're like shaking your head. Russ
Wilson's nowhere near what he was in Seattle. So this
could be if all of a sudden they start off
slow getting their ass handed to him. You could very
well in week six see a Jackson dart play, because Dabell,
if you're going out, you might as well try to

(09:49):
salvage your gig. But the point I'm making is when
you got down to the Texans and they didn't get
a guy, and they after that there wasn't a first
round quality or value grade for them. Now you know
you I had a desperate player and you just wait,
and who is the most desperate player of a young
quarterback needs that kind of spark had already drafted a
hell of a defensive player. And now you're thinking, okay,

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maybe this gives us the next part. I mean, they did,
they did it right, and then he jumped back in
and got Jackson dark because I got news for you.
Dart wasn't gonna last long after that, and I don't
know how long I'm gonna tell you my concern about
sir Sanders real quick. Are we sure that he's the
next team that's greating him? Doesn't have like Tyler Sugar
ahead of him in the draft? This is where the
problem gets now. It's not first a second because I

(10:34):
didn't I had no doubt he was not going to
be a top ten pick, and then he looked who's
picking in between ten and twenty one? The Steelers were
there that I ought to tell you something. The Giants
loved I mean they were on shore Sanders. They talked
to him as much. Anybody passed on him twice the neck.
The Cleveland Browns passed on him. Brian Davile passed on him.

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So you start to go down the list and say, okay,
is there somebody in the second round is going to
pass on him again? That's it's not first a second
because the truth is, in a normal draft, he would
not have we wouldn't even been talking about him in
the first round. But this is now where a lot
of people had him somewhere in the second or third round.
Just not in production just on what they thought parlayed
it out right. But you found a desperate player in

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in Dable who wanted that guy and got a guy
that fits him. So now he's does he get the
rookie hall passed from Jackson Darter's dark get to sit
back and watch because he's not ready to play at
that level just yet. But we force him in there, right,
and he may say and he's he's trying to save
his job Brian Dables, so they trade back up and
give an opportunity. But all this, when it come down
to it, are we sure sir s Anders is the

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next best quarterback there? Taking Pittsburgh passed on him. They
spent time in Pittsburgh. I don't have their quarterback room
is empty unless they're guarant I mean there's two Mason Rudolph.
But think about that. What is this telling us? And
you can't play the black black white card? H Why
Glenn passed Aaron Glynn the Jets even though they got Fields,

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I'm not sure Fields is going to be the starting
quarterback in two years there. Mike Tomlin passed on him. Yep.
So when we get that, that's why I get back
to it. It's okay to criticize and compliment. Just keep
it the football. And maybe some have an agenda, but
the agenda in this Mike Tomlin did not draft passed
on on sure Deer Sanders didn't pass on it because
of the color of his skin. He just passed on
because the skill set, didn't think it fixed or or fit,

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or didn't like the interview, whatever, whatever reason why. That
still doesn't mean surear Sanders can't go play and make
an impact. It all starts down. Now, go get a
team and wherever they draft you and go kick ass
and prove that somebody made a mistake, or go ahead
and validate their mistake and say, well I didn't play
very well, so you can't let it fester. But Dable
got the guy he wanted, two guys he wanted, and
they did it right. And the Texans played their hand

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right and got a desperate team and now a little
more value for them. But the draft is crazy, and
we and Ego and Pridal getting the way. But if
you're sure, dear Sanders, may put it this way, he
made more money in Colorado then he was probably gonna
make as a rookie anyway, So it's not the money
you're the money will come if you're the second contract,
especially as a rookie quarterback. Now go proof to them

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you can play. But what does it tell you? See
the concern is if they all passed, teams traded back
up a team that doesn't even have Aaron Rodgers on
a contract yet, and Mason Rudolph, your starter passed him.
So the thing is there may not have been a
lot of first round grades on sdor Sanders, but for
the Texans, you know, not getting anybody in the first round.

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And when they started to pass it, I told we
talked about Dan, there wasn't a lot. As you got
into the late teens and twenties, the receivers in alignment,
the two that you wanted offensively, you know they were
going offense because why I mean when they made the trade,
could have got another defensive player if you wanted. They
wanted one of those guys that they didn't get. And
so the quality, if it's not the quality or your

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draft grade, be true to what you've studied and prepared
for get out of the first round. Had no problem
with it, but it was interesting. There should be no
shock that Jackson Dart. It only takes one guy to love,
and Brian da Bele loved him. It should be no
shock that Shoulder Sanders didn't go in the first round.
It's just that the hype made it that way, and
that doesn't mean he can't play. Got some good things
and bad things, but it's okay to criticize and compliment

(14:10):
without being an as kisser or oh you just don't
like him. The bottom line is thirty two teams did
not either need him or think that he was worthy
of a first round pick. Take it for what it's worth.
But now you've got a chance to go do your
thing well and then pleasing the internet is not gonna
save your job. I mean, that's that's the part of
it too.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
I mean, you know, you pass on him, you get
asked the question, hey, why'd you pass on Shuder Sanders?
We like this guy more. I mean, that's that's pretty
So that's really what it comes down to. And I
just I love like how people just feel like, you know,
there's some sort of like underlying issue here.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Loud they can say I've seen it on TV and
you hear it all the time. There's an undertone that
that these NFL people passed on him because he's black
and he didn't like his attitude. You saw it, You
see it all the time, and then then the league
wouldn't exist. Right, But you're gonna I'm not saying ye me,
I'm telling you a narrative, right, and then you're gonna
turn on your tea today and there's gonna be plenty
of them that are going to blame it on.

Speaker 7 (15:02):
Well.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Now, the hate and the rooting for a guy to fail,
I've never understood, sure, I've never understood why we don't listen.
You cannot evaluate him. You can think that, hey, he's
a second or third round talent, but then to all
of a sudden, while he's falling, to sit there and
root for his demise is like, it's just weird to me. Listen,
he's already having a tough night. I know you maybe
don't like the moxie or the arrogance or the car,

(15:24):
you know, decorating his room and then falling out of
the first round. Humble pie will be issued. Once his
ego and pride get out of the way, we all
have it, then you got to get back to work
and do it. His day job, it's play quarterback. His
dad's not coaching him. You got to go play quarterback
and earn it now and be the guy you don't
just get it handed to you and then go play.
And he would have started anyway. You get my point.
But we get this where all of a sudden he's falling. Listen,

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there may be a fourth round or may be better
than him, and he may end up being the best
in the who knows. It's all a crapshoot when we're
evaluating from college to pro. But I just don't understand,
whether it's him or anybody else, the rooting for him
to fall out. Now, you may root for your team
not to take him because you don't want him as
a quarterback, but the rooting I hope he fails. Well
maybe that's just me. I kind of I'm root for

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his success. But I wouldn't have drafted him in the
first round either. I wouldn't have I would have done
just what they did, and I would have taken Jackson
Dart second. Has zero to do with the color of
his skin, because cam Ward's the best quarterback in this draft,
and quite frankly, it's not close. Big physical kid, and
look at the way he handled himself last night. Understated,
took care of his business. He's going to be a
good player. The only thing is less Tennessee screws it up, right,

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But I think that's exactly But the guy can play,
so has nothing to do with that. But I just
the narratives will be created. And one thing I know,
there may be some that have an agenda that are
outside the football world. I can tell you this in
all the years I played, and even now more so
because there was Listen, my guy, Warren Moon had to
go through being the only reason Warren Moon didn't come

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out of the college to be in the NFL as
a Rose Bowl MVP. Warren was not because of the
color of his skin. They wanted to switch positions a
position he'd never played before after he was a Rose
Bull MVP and kicked ass. Well goes to the CFL
kicks ass. The rest is history. So that may have
existed in the late seventies in the early eighties, right,
and it did, and it may exist in some way,

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shape or form now. But I'd like to think we
dispelled that with some of these tremendous Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson,
Patrick Mahomes enough. But I can tell you this in
the football room. I don't know any head coach, coordinator,
quarterback coach that passes on a guy or they say,
you know what, yeah, we don't want a black quarterback.
How stupid would anybody be to do it, to think it,

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or for us to think that's the narrative? That isn't
why Shadur Sanders wasn't drafted in the first round. I
can tell you that now. But the people in the building, now,
agenda's outside the building. Who knows when somebody doesn't like
somebody or they give him an evaluation and they got
a deep seated issue with it. I don't know. But
the bottom line is he can play. He's going to
get a chance to do his thing. It just won't

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be in the first round. Ego and pride he's got,
he got to sleep on a wake up the next morning,
and then when he gets his team, go do your thing.
So I just I've never understood the root for his failure.
You don't want him on your team, great if you're
a fan, But to root for his demise, I don't.
I don't wish that on anybody.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Now.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I'm anxious to see how he handles a bit of
adversity that he hasn't seen him and he's been under
a protective shield, and now we'll go find out. And
that's that's not a bad thing for sure.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
And you know, something else with the Texans having five
picks tonight kind of comes to mind something that you've
said in the past. We'll discuss that here to get
things started on The Seawan Salisbury Show.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
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Speaker 2 (18:48):
Oh there it is.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
There's there's those there's those two words right there, like
and love, because I think that they loved some players.
But then you know Gray's Abel, for example, he goes
eighteen to seattlebody.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Else started dating them that wants to marry him.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Yeah, yeah, they they they they I wouldn't say that
they were like kind of the guy, you know, hey,
shut ask her to dance?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Should not?

Speaker 6 (19:09):
And then somebody else cuts in and then they start
dating and you're like, ah, man, what could have been?
I don't think there was anything like that, But I
just I think that probably they were saying to themselves.
I don't have any doubt that they tried to move up. Hell,
there was a report in Dallas that they tried to
move up with the Cowboys and get Booker there, and
the Cowboys decided to go ahead and take Booker to

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replace the retiring Zach Martin.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
So good for them. Well, that's how the Cowboys have
always been built. When they're good, their offensive line stellar.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
People were making fun of Jerry the other day for
saying that they've drafted. Well, he's not wrong. They really have. Like,
if you're being honest, the Cowboys have.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
But last year bothered everybody because they didn't do anything
and they've off there there everything Jerry's done they put on.
They're like, you don't go get somebody in free agency
because Ezekiel Elliott was your biggest pickup last off season.
Right that people put them both together and said, okay,
on draft air, you've got good players. Of the course
of time they've they've I mean the wide receiver from

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Foster he's pretty good. Yeah, he's not bad. Michael Parsons
not bad player. Finding Dak Prescott in the fourth round,
that's not bad. Yeah, they've done some good things. They
just haven't done enough of it, or they've let other
things go by the wayside and one of them, the
offensive line got old and out quick. And when they
were when they had Tron Smith and when they had

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Zach and that they were dominant, right, and then the
rest was the rest comes easier. But yeah, I'm with you.
I think that when it didn't work there and they
started to see the people they love, Like I always say, Dan,
if I live by this, as I've always half, if
I live by this most of the time, I'm going
to be right. If if if I have a clue

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as a front office guy or as an evaluator, take
the guy you love, and if the guy you love
isn't there, take the guy in the second round that
you love in the second round right now, get my
there's guys I'm telling you right now, there's fourth rounders
right now that they love. But they love them in
the fourth round, right And when the guys in the
first round are used up to the point where you
don't love the guy, now you're getting into man, I

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had the nine and a half. Now I'm down to
the seven and a half. Eight be a good choice,
but is it a great choice? And when you get
to that point, they didn't think any of them, they
weren't in love. They're dating, or they're on a dating app.
They were not in love. So now they may love
a guy with thirty fourth pick in the secround and say, yeah,
he's the second round, even at the twenty fifth, we

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aren't get to overvalue him because the first round of
the second round all those things. So it is. And
if you live by that, and you've done your homework,
whether it's a draft guru or whether it's me, or
whether it's you, or whether it's Nick Cassario and Damaico ryans,
do not see panicked and desperate people jump into stuff

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they shouldn't jump into financially whatever, socially draft pick, Oh well,
what do we do? We got to stay in the
first on social media whatever, there's people who think about
this stuff. If the guys I love are gone and
I'm on a like situation, I'll find a guy I
love in the second round. The guy I liked in
the first round I love in the second round. I'm

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good there, but I can't. I will never draft a
guy I just love, regardless of social media pressure or
the media pressure or man, I'm a lame duck coach,
or you know, I got to get a long term deal.
If I don't love you on our vide not not
your evaluation on another team, I really give her fuzzy rats.
Ask what you think about your team. I'm talking about
my team and what we think. I can love guys

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in the second round that they ain't love in the
first and they didn't have anybody they loved it twenty five,
so they got out and.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
We should not have a problem with it. Well, being
reactionary gets you fired. I don't think there's any doubt
about that. And you know, the way I look at
rounds two and three is that's the ultimate man. I
really like this guy because you're not necessarily counting on
them to be day one starters. If they become that,
then obviously you hit you did incredibly well. But there
are guys that they're reserves for now there you know,

(23:08):
maybe even they make their bones on special teams, whatever
it might be. But Nick Casserio has done incredibly well
in these rounds of the draft, and this is I
think it's rounds two and three are what make your team.
I think if you miss on those, then your draft
as a whole was not great.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
So I'm convinced and if you miss on those guys
but hit on the first rounder, I think your team's worse.
Not not because you hit on the first round, but
like I said, it's the core ofer team you expect
the first round. When I say your team's worse overall,
in the long run, we go back and say, man,
two years ago we missed in the second and third round.

(23:44):
You should not be standing there saying we missed in
the first round like they did with those found pieces.
There's no question they're not stars, but they're guys that
are great players, really good players, for no doubt. And
there will be some team in this league that takes
somebody in the fourth or fifth round in this draft
at any position who will be starting by the end
of their rookie and we'll be a staple now to
their offense or defense. And you know what, you may

(24:05):
not have loved him in the third round, but man,
I love this guy in the fifth round. You can
love a lot of different rounds. Brother, just it just
goes down in the thought process. It's not as exciting
in the fifth row. Right screed, whyde he fallowed the
two hundredth player in the draft. There's been some two
hundredths players in this draft that are pretty damn good.
We've seen it. Rock Party comes to mind immediately.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
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Speaker 6 (24:26):
You know another thing that keep in mind with Nick Casserio.
I think it's twofold of why he made the decision
he made last night. We'll discuss that here Sean Salisbury Show.
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Speaker 2 (25:33):
Tripley.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
I don't have my phone screen up, so if you
can get John, appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
John. What's going on? Good morning?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
It's going good, guys.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
How are you all fantastic?

Speaker 11 (25:44):
Help me understand this man, because you had several opportunities
to move up now May and you know we're not
in we're not in the rooms, so you know we're
just and I've listened to what Sean has said this
morning a little bit more understanding after looking around and

(26:11):
asking everybody last night.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
What the hell are they doing?

Speaker 11 (26:14):
But you know your offensive line is subject you let
all Americans walk. You had the opportunity. I mean, we
know maybe the other teams were just asking a huge amount,
but you could have gone and gotten Simmons, in which

(26:39):
Kansas City obviously thought.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
And I'm sorry, well, you can't beat Kansas City.

Speaker 11 (26:44):
I'm not saying he's gonna make Kansas City a super
Bowl team, but you got to start somewhere, and I
know you can find better. You can find good alignment
in the second third rounders. But to protect that man's
blind side.

Speaker 7 (27:03):
You're going to get him killed.

Speaker 9 (27:05):
Man.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I just I don't get it.

Speaker 7 (27:07):
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Okay, John, Now, let me let me get what you're saying. Now,
let's just let's negotiate this, let's do this together. I
get what you're saying, the need that you had at
offensive line. I think they probably think they fulfilled a
little bit about this offseason. Regardless, they're not gonna be
worse than they were. But let me ask you this.
If it was free agency and you and I were
sitting here having this conversation, and you and I were saying, man,

(27:29):
they had a chance to sign three or four linemen
and passed on them because they didn't want to pay
an extra half a million bucks in a signing bonus
or whatever it is. Now we're talking saying, it's just,
where's the commitment to that. If it's a weakness, why
didn't you go address it in free agency? I think
they feel they did part of that during the offseason,
So I get how we'd have this conversation. But here's
the thing about draft day. You know what would have

(27:51):
happened if they'd have traded up till like fifteen and
got an offensive Lineman and gave up another first and
again Noah gave up another first round pick swap with
the team and probably would have had to give up
like a third round pick or a second round pick
as well, and maybe a conditional fifth. People here would
have so we all would have said, did we really
need to do that? Oh, we're giving up these ads.

(28:12):
So you got it on both sides. The point is
you got to have another person deal with you. And
when the Giants got on it, you know what they thought.
That's why they were easy to deal with their physics.
It feels that way because they coveted and loved Jackson Dart.
They just didn't love him at the third or second
or fifth pick. They loved him at the twenty fifth
pick and that got him. So that's hard to deal

(28:32):
with people, right, But it's also John, Like I said,
if I come to you and want to buy your business, right,
I know you not sound, but you get my point.
And I say, well, here's my offer, and I want it,
but you say, man, no, no, no, can't do it.
And then I say, well here's my second offer, and

(28:52):
you say no, no, no, I need a lot more than that.
And then we finally say, now you know what, I
get it, I'll move on. Maybe it we'll revisit it
another time. That's in essence, what they're doing is it's
not not personally. You tried to get better. I'm assuming
they were on the phone all the time, but you
got to have another player with you that you don't
mortgage your franchise to get a guy that you and
I think they should get. I get your point, but

(29:13):
you got to have another player when it comes to trades.
And it's obvious and until Jackson Dart was there, the
guys that they wanted they never got to and at
twenty five they were prepared. They didn't love anybody else,
meaning the Texans, so get out of it and trying
to trade up early. You got to have somebody that's
gonna play fair with you and play in the sandbox,
and obviously nobody did until the twenty fifth pick exactly.

Speaker 11 (29:35):
I mean. And like I said, you don't know what
New Orleans or who Joe blow whatever team right, whether
it was Banks or who Booker or whoever, you know,
you don't know what those they could have been asking
for a Ricky Williams deal, right, I mean, let's be real,
you know what I mean. Let's be real about it.

(29:57):
You know, we don't know what the other teams were
asking before. You know, I'm not I'm not mad, pissed
off at Nick or the Texans. I'm just kind of
I'm waiting to see what's going to happen, to see you.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I'm with you.

Speaker 11 (30:11):
I'm waiting to see what happens this evening. They better
not go no wide receiver. They better go offensive lineman.
That is what I think. But to this Sanders deal,
I think he has blown up bridges. I think him
and Dion I heard somebody say about a week or
two ago, because all his daddy done is coached him.

(30:38):
Who is willing to draft him? Knowing what coach would
be willing to draft him, knowing well, my daddy will
come coach me.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
I want my daddy.

Speaker 7 (30:49):
I want that head.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Coach fire and I want my daddy here. I want
my daddy from Colorado. I want Dion.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Well, guess what happens. Guess what happens when you're not
a first round pick. You don't have that pull to
go in there and say I want my daddy. You're
You're just another jersey with the name. The name and
number one round.

Speaker 11 (31:05):
And I think he's going to go to Cleveland. I
told the boys last night. I said, he's going to Cleveland.
Thirty third pick. He's gonna go to Cleveland. He's gonna
wear that cursed number two and he's gonna be look
at it, curse number two, second round Cleveland.

Speaker 7 (31:20):
What happens to all those players?

Speaker 1 (31:22):
They bought them out? And I don't know.

Speaker 11 (31:24):
I don't I don't want that for the young man.
I hope he has great success in whatever he does,
but I think what he has done is he has
rubbed so many people the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
And look, Pittsburgh, New Orleans.

Speaker 11 (31:41):
Passed on him, Pittsburgh passed on him. Something's not right,
something's there. These guys are seeing something that we're not
all seeing or.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Have heard what we all have not heard. Yeah, and
they just feel.

Speaker 11 (31:55):
That he is there's a there's problems.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I say, John, appreciate it, buddy.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
I mean, you know, with the Texans, it's just again
it comes down to what you were saying about liking
and loving. But at the same time, though too, to
John's point, I had seen Josh Simmons mock to them,
and it's not to say that mock drafts have any
bearing on this. Nicossaria will tell you they don't. But
he's good enough for the Kansas City Chiefs, he's not
good enough for you. Like that's kind of what what

(32:28):
kind of I'm confused with on that one, because as
far as I'm concerned, the Chiefs are what you're trying
to get to. And if they think that that's a
guy that can continue the success that they've had, well
that it should be good enough for you.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
You'd think you would think I always work copycat league.
If you want to do it right, look at the
people who've had success doing it. That's honestly, that's the way.
I don't care if it's business or anything else. There's
a reason why guys who hit investments keep hitting them.
They they have pretty good clue for the same thing
as when guys like if you wanted a perfect way

(33:03):
to script, how you're supposed to do it? When Ozzie
knewsm was with Baltimore, I think Ozzie news Some's front
is a Hall of fame front office guy. Now obviously
hall of fame guy because of player, but he never
got the credit that he deserved. Nast I mean Ron
Wolf's and all those guys, I get it. Ozziek Newsom
was phenomenal. He just could never find a receiver, right.

(33:25):
But Andy, they've they think they found some now, right.
But Ozzie they draft they didn't miss very often, and
he was he was incredible. So when teams like that
are doing it, you kind of want to take a pic. Okay,
what do you guys do different? Did you just hire
better scouts? Do you evaluate more? Honest? Is it?

Speaker 1 (33:45):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'd always want to pick their brain. I'm always looking
to pick the brain to successful people. I'm not looking
to pick the brain to somebody to tell me about well,
just like I'm not going no offense. I'm not going
to somebody who who on Twitter or Facebook wants to
tell me about the quarterback position for forty years and
they don't watch it, don't play it, don't study it.

(34:06):
But they're going to tell me give me advice on
how to do the job when they have it. And
I'm not saying I don't respect their opinion. You know,
you can be a non football player and be a
good broadcaster, or be a good and be a good journalist. Sure,
I'm talking about when you're going and you're both looking
at the same thing and they're trying to no, no, that's
not how we do it. Well, I'm telling you it'd
be like me going to a programmer, a technical like

(34:29):
a computer programmer, and standing there and saying, yeah, I
know how to work I know how to work a
computer kind of, but I don't know how to program it.
So I'm going to look to the expert to do it. Now,
we may not always be right, so it's the same
thing here. I'm not going after the opinion of somebody
I wouldn't I'm not going after some evaluation of an
opinion that I would not take or you know that

(34:50):
would tell me, Hey, Sean, I'm not going after somebody's
opinion if I don't want their advice. Yeah, when it
comes to if I don't want their advice, their opinion
really doesn't bother me or make an impact to me.
So I'm going to people that are I'd like to
go to people that actually have had long term success
at it, and then I say, okay, what's your secret,

(35:11):
and then you bring young people in they learn it too.
But my point is I'm not going after the Cleveland
Browns quarterback evaluation right now and saying, you know that
I'm going to draft how they do it. And that's
where I was going, right.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
I mean, you have organizations who continuously follow the same
draft strategy year and they continue to fail at it
being go there you go. So trust me, I lived
it for ten years. I saw what that looks like,
all right. Speaking of what the Texans had available to
them in terms of trade partners anything else, the sort
Niccossia talked about that, let you hear from him next
right here Sean Salisbury Show. This Sean Salisbury Show continues

(35:47):
to continue, you know, just in terms of trading out
and you know, you know where they going to move up?
Were they going to stay exactly where they were or
were they going to do exactly as they did last.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Night before we call on that video or that audio.
And a buddy of mine reminded me, my buddy, Matt,
and I was thinking about this last night and talking
about it this morning. Do you is there will there
be any thought process to this draft part of it?
And I'm just just to close out the you know,

(36:19):
the love like stuff and what you take with you
and John calling and us having these conversations. Do you
believe that any of these teams and I do with
Shador Sanders because he'll be the hot button all day
long until camp starts. Is that when you draft him,

(36:43):
and John had mentioned, you know, I can go back
to Daddy and coach, but with the truth is when
you draft Shadur, you draft the dad. And I know Dianne,
I love him, but he's he's a powerful personality. That's
why I like the Cowboys aren't going to hire him
because Jerry wants to be the face of the organization
and Dion would come in and own every room he's in.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
You think that Brian Schottenheimer's there about it, No, and
you knew it all along.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
But with Dion the you know, maybe calling the coach
put it this way in a roundabout way, just because
of his presence forgetting even if he says anything, the
presence of Dion Sanders would be the biggest helicopter parent
in the league. And not because he's trying to immerse himself,
just the fact that you drafted Shaudur. Dad comes with
it for some of the things John said, although Deon's

(37:31):
not going to play my kid, he's a good player
now Dion may come out and say, my Dean thought
his kid was a top five pick, so you do.
It's not a bad thing. Sometimes. Deon's pretty smart guy
and played in the league a long time. His son's
not going to be him. But I just for me,
I think that there probably are some teams if you're
sitting on the fence, you say, Okay, what takes us
over the top to draft him or what doesn't. I'm

(37:51):
convinced that part of it, not not all the teams,
but there are some that may have said, do we
want to take on the whole thing that comes with this,
the whole thing that comes with us, and whether we
agree that they should or shouldn't. I do believe there
is some real estate and some some bandwidin that that says,

(38:14):
you take that on the constant helicoptering of media, why
not Deon sanity at Colorado? But may those things without
being a helicopter. He's still a helicopter because of his
name and the presence, and he's been coaching him since
the He's been his coach's whole life. He's not just
going to disappear and stay in Colorado. The presence of

(38:35):
Dion Sanders whether you like that or not, does hover
over franchises. And I do believe with all my heart
that part of their evaluation was not just the kid,
evaluated the dad too, and what it would mean to
have that in the in the organization of the building.
Can we handle it? And some coaches are probably insecure, thinking, man,

(38:55):
if Chadur plays well and our team doesn't, that maybe
they'd call Dion. There is that threat, and some coaches
that are insecure would be afraid of that. But I
do believe his presence and the fact that he's the dad,
whether it's a good or bad thing for people, whether
you like him or not, Dion, it's helicopter without actually
being that parent who's constantly talking to the coach. Just

(39:17):
his presence alone creates a helicopter situation more than any
player in this league, more than any player in this league.
And it's not close.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
It's just not let's carry that over because I actually
have a different way of thinking about that. And also too,
we'll let you hear from Nick Cassario in terms of
what their opportunities were last night, as we'll start seven
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Okay, let's do this.

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Speaker 6 (40:22):
Texans moving out of the first round last night, two
second rounders and three third rounders.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Coming up today.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
They make a trade with the Giants Astros in Kansas City,
taking on the Royals and the Rockets in Warriors Game
three of their Western Conference playoff series coming up tomorrow
in the Bay Area series tied at one, Alan south
Side get to you here in just a second, but
just kind of, you know, pick up where we left
off with the Dion conversation. I actually I disagree slightly

(40:50):
about how he would handle his son.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Is before you do it. I didn't say how he'd
handle it, soun right. I didn't say how Dion would
be walking into comple all the time doing it. Matter
of fact, quite the opposite, I said, even if he
doesn't want to be that, what we would a helicopter
parent usually is talking to the they hire a guy
to coach their kid, and then they stand over the
coach and the kid all the time, right going to
the going meeting with the coach, all the time. My

(41:14):
kids should be playing that parent that helicopter. I didn't
say that. I'm talking about because of his name and
because of what he's done. He's coached him all the time.
And of course shoud is gonna lean on Dean. It's
his dad and mentor. And I don't blame him. He's
pretty pretty good coach too, uh And and it's been
around a long time. I'm just talking about the presence
he can go on and post one thing on Twitter

(41:35):
and that the appearance is helicopter because it will be
about his son. It'll be it will so it's what
others are doing, not him. Okay. And he may have,
because he's Dion at times, immerse himself from behind the scenes,
make a call to a coach he might have played with, Sure, Hey,
how's my husband my son doing? Yeah, right, man, how'd
you guys pass? I can picture Deon saying this. I

(41:55):
would expect to tweet in the next day or so
for him to say, hey, it doesn't matter. Once you
get into camp, prove to do, Approve what you can do.
I can I can see him doing that because he
believes in that. But I can also see him saying, well,
somebody's gonna give a big bargain. You missed on my
kid that he's gonna be a player. Now, sure, I
can see that. And though so that's the helicopter stuff
from a distance that see he's already he's he can

(42:16):
reach pretty far. Just his presence. That's why I said,
I don't think he's going to be waltzed into the building.
Whoever drafts him say hey man, why he's playing my kid?
But the presence alone for you, and that's just the
fact that his bandwidth is large. So that's not Chadure's fault,
but you fall into it. What is Schade's fault is

(42:37):
you know, I personally not that this is reason to
get drafted. The way he decorates a room, and the
legend and the dollar signs on the back, wait till
you get in and you're doing that some of the things.
But I don't mind the swagger, but the confidence, it's
almost the in your face too much, and that may
turn people off. It doesn't mean you got to kiss
their ass. But you know, I thought the room was

(42:58):
too much. But that's not why he He didn't get
drafted in the first round. People had already made up
their mind they were not going to draft him. Once
it got past the early rounds and the Steelers, it
was obvious the Steelers obviously didn't want him there either.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Well, I mean, you know, to your point about Shidor,
I mean, you can do all of that if you're
just ultra talented, which he's really good.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
But even though we'd look at the guy, don't be
a turd.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
Like I just I think that he's not as good
as he thinks he is. Is kind of what NFL
teams told him, Well, I mean kind of is what
NFL teams told them.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Let me put it to well without telling him, they
told him by not drafting him. What this simply says
is Dion and his son. I understand as parents, we
always think our kids Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes
or Mike Trout and Shoe hee O tani os al
tuve there's not many of them, and I and I

(43:48):
and I do get that. Okay, you're confident, confident, But
Dion and c. Shaudor thinks he's the number best player
in the draft, and that's okay for him to think
that top five, But then there's also the realistic part.
They didn't think he was top five, they didn't think
he was top fifteen. They don't think he was top
thirty two. And who the hell knows that they think
he's a top fifty guy. We're gonna find out pretty quickly.

(44:11):
And I would assume so. And yes, he plummeted according
to all the hype, but did he plummet in the
draft rooms? We don't know that. Brian Dable didn't have
him as a third round grade. We just assumed because
while he went and visited and he works out for
him and the same thing with any of these guys
that are going to get passed on. Sanders is just
a bigger name we're going to talk about. So for me,
it's like, I, Yeah, he overvalues himself. That's okay at

(44:36):
times as long as when you people don't match what
you think about your value, that you've got to go
back to the draw drawing board and say, why how
do I get to where I'm going to match? To
prove to these people whatever that is and to prove
to myself that I am that guy. He's going to
get an opportunity. He's gonna get drafted, and then he's
gonna go to camp and his dad's not gonna coach him.
So then he's going to be out there like going

(44:57):
to college way for your first time. You're on your own.
You're gonna gain your freshman forty. Are you gonna kick
ass and do your thing? We'll go find out. But yeah,
that's that's there's some humble pie involved and pride gets
in the way. Not only did they say you're not
a top five player or quarterback, we don't think you
want to thirty two teams said that.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
Well, I mean I think it's also there's power in that.
I mean, it's all right, and how he handles it's
going to be the kids, that's it. I mean, it's
it's now. It's hey, you know, how well is he
able to you know, be able to deal with really
you know, having the you know, humility thrown at him
and so we'll see if indeed he can't do that.
Nick Cassario, though, in terms of making the move a

(45:35):
last night to move away from the twenty fifth pick,
he talked about it after the night concluded, said yeah,
they were ready to make it even before their time
on the board came up.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
We were kind of looking, let's say, in the upper teams,
they were a little bit you know, there were some
other some opportunities, okay, kind of move or what are
the teams gonna do? So we were talking about it
wasn't like wait until twenty five and all of a sudden,
like I mean, at one point, I think we had
three or four trades like potentially on the board before
we got to twenty five. And then when we got
to twenty five, we stought a couple of scenarios and

(46:06):
teams were looking at some situations. So you know, we
took what we felt was the best offer and what
the best decision for.

Speaker 7 (46:13):
Us was at that time, so we made the move.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
So, I mean, you know, talking about the upper teams,
and you know that's where Grey's abel went. I mean,
you also had a mecha Buca as a possibility there.
So I mean my guess is they probably figured, all right, well,
Tampa might like this guy, Minnesota might like this guy,
and that's what they decided to do in terms of
picking for their teams but I mean, once that happened,

(46:37):
I'm guessing that's you know, brought up Josh Simmons and
Josh Connery, another guy that went after you. It just
kind of came down to they looked at those guys
and said, yeah, not a first round, we don't feel it.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Well, that kind of answered what John called about what
were they doing they were when you got three to
five trades sitting on the table that you're involved in,
It's just obvious that that they weren't on the same
page of what it was going to require. It's pretty simple,
and sometimes if you don't have a player, then you
got to do. Okay, what's the next best scenario. We
can't make a trade. We don't love a guy at

(47:09):
twenty five, Let's find somebody who does love a guy
at twenty five. And they did, and they got assets
for it, which will benefit them. Listen, the difference between
the twenty fifth pick and the thirty fourth pick ain't
that much, buddy, And sometimes a foot thirty fourth pick
has more value than somebody that reached. Hell, there's some
that had Jackson Dart is a third round grade. They're
cheap steing around it. That's exactly right, So you're not

(47:32):
really Now if all of a sudden you're at five
and you trade out of the first round, which you
wouldn't do, and then because you're your team, obviously you're
picking five for a reason, they're just like, damn well,
and now we'd have that argument. But listen, it just
didn't match what they wanted. And I'm okay, unless we're
sitting in the rooms. It's hard for me to say,
because if I was sitting in the room and they said, no,
we're not giving that up, and you said, what do

(47:52):
you mean you're not giving up? Of course you're going
to give up an extra fourth round pick to move
up to fifteen to get Zabel or whatever. Right, But
I think Nick's why enough to know where they placed
their value in what was need and if you don't
love the player or don't love the trade value you're getting,
you move on. And that's exactly what they did. I
think the reason why we're bothered is it it's not
even bothered is it wasn't a sexy first round here,

(48:15):
it's like nonalant for the second for the second straight year.
That's exactly right, So and it'll bode well for them
and the Giants both win it because you get some
good assets. And the Giants got the guy that Brian
Dable wanted but didn't love early and loved late. Yeah,
and they were willing to trade up to get him
because I think he thought that probably quickly in the
second round, that Jackson Dart was going to be.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
Gone, and people thought that maybe New Orleans was going
to be a team that could have possibly done it.
But the Giants beat him to the punch of going
out and getting dark.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Think about this, The Giants picked second right, they picked
number two. They traded at twenty five. Brian Dable, whether
it Intel or what have you, had the feeling that
between twenty five. Now, remember the last two teams that
picked the twenty fifth team doesn't need a quarterback. The
last two teams that picked were who can't say they
changed Philadlhia Eagles.

Speaker 6 (49:05):
They didn't get a quarterback. Well, and that was the
talk too on the broadcast. I was watching the game
day crew and they after twenty one were like, all right,
we're now in the playoff teams, nobody needs a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
O per right. That's what you looked at it and said, Okay,
once you get out of the top ten. Twenty one's
the only place that you're going to grab a quarterback.
And the Steelers decided against it. And they either know
that Aaron Rodgers is coming there or they just that'll
even be a bigger adce like they don't have Aaron
Rodgers under their umbrella. And they got a fairly empty

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quarterback room. And you still passed tough to swallow. If
you're sure duer centers, I'm sure, But you get to
twenty five and then there's nobody there. Think about what
you did and if you think about the right way,
are we sure the Texans didn't get the best of
this deal? And here's why they're picking second. That's the
pick of the Giants that they traded for Jackson Dart
Okay who picked it? Real quick? Dan pull up? Who

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who picked twenty sixth? Twenty sixth? Was? It was a trade?
It was the Falcons trading with the Rams. Okay Falcons
or Rams, neither one. Stafford and Pennis and Cousins neither
one were drafting who twenty seven twenty seven was the
Ravens Okay starks Lamar not drafting who's twenty eight twenty
eight was the Lions. Jared Goff not not drafting quarterback?

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Who's twenty one? Jaden Daniels not drafting You're not drafting
quarterback for a dozen years? Who's Burls? Josh Allen? And
we know thirty one? Thirty two Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
It hurts.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Okay, think about this. Who picks first in the second round? Bruh?
Cleveland does they? Actually, that's exactly why they traded up
to get him. They weren't thinking about what was behind
him in the first round. He's sat in there thinking,
we're the second pick of the second round, and the
risk of the Cleveland could actually take one of the

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guys in the second round. You don't know if it's
Sanders or Darth that they love, right, and so you
jumped down. You jumped up so you could assure yourself
because you knew after you If put it this way,
if Cleveland, let's say through a trade that the Chargers
were on the clock with the first pick of the
second round. Let's just say that for fun. Do you
think Brian Davile would have traded up to get Jackson

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Dart No, he'd have waited until twenty until the second
pick of the second round. He saw Cleveland, not any
the other ones. He saw Cleveland sitting there and said,
I can't risk it. So are we a pretty good
card to hold if you're the Textans saying okay, you
can come get him here and we'll still get the
bad because we're not drafting Jackson Dart. So in turn,
the way they did it negotiated pretty smart move by
the Texans if you didn't love somebody at the twenty

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fifth pick, and they didn't, So here we are, and
a smart move because there is a good chance that
either Jackson Dart or possibly should or Sanders opens up
the second round, the second as the first pick of
the second round, and Cassario is the Moe Green of
day two. That's right.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
You know, he's made his bones while you were dating
cheerleaders there you go. Yeah, just just make sure you're
not Mow Green when he's getting a massage. It didn't
work out so well from Moe. Then, well Cleveland knows
about that. See what I did there?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Well, I mean, you know he shouldn't he just that's true,
especially in what I was saying, so you said, I mean,
it just kind of hit. I didn't prepare for it.
But sometimes off the cuff.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
But there you go, so bolly good volley by me,
good spike by you. There you go, bump set kill right,
that's it. That's it, all right, it uh coming up next,
Al Rob Carl, see you guys right there.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
We'll get to you all.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
But a stripper rivalry, Yeah, it's a real thing. We'll
talk about it here Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
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Speaker 2 (52:34):
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Speaker 6 (53:24):
Al Rob Carl, see you guys right there. Get to
you all here in just a second. But for the
stakeout today, Sean, I've got a stripper rivalry in Pennsylvania
for you. So troopers with the Pennsylvania State Police called
out the Devil's Den Gentlemen's Club in Dauphin County because
there was reports of an assault on one of the strippers.

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They conducted an investigation and they found that a dancer
at the Devil's Den was assaulted while on stage by
a dancer from Castaways Gentlemen's Club. As this came to
blows here because apparently it was over a beef between

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the strippers where one of them was insulting anyway, was
insulting the dancers over at Castaways. Thirty year old Remika
Green was identified as the former coworker of the lady
who was dancing on stage that apparently took umbrage with

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her saying things about the girls over at Castaways. So
then she said, oh, you know what, Hey, we'll go
over to the Devil's Den. We'll show them what we got.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
So the Devil's didn't Castaways or the names Wars is at.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
This is in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. I have no idea
where that's at. I just know it's in Pennsylvania. Okay,
So she punched, got a fight.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah, got up on stage. Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm saying, hey,
you know what, stripper wars wars. I know one thing,
they were probably pissed off that one got a better
grade at at law school. But they're both in law school.
I'm sure med school they're there. I mean they're like
actual like like YELP for example, because you talk ten

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strippers for.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
If you go to these places, as I've only heard the.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Dancers dan dancers. It's a skill set gentlemen's clubs. Yeah, yeah,
that's right, that's right. They they are dancers. But you know,
as I've been told, I wouldn't know anything about it.
You can't take pictures of the places. So like for
those websites where you make reviews, well most of them
are predicated on pictures. Yeah, but can you imagine walking

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in there and being a customer and snapping photos of
a stripper on so they throw you out immediately heard
what a clown?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Right?

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Who does that? So they got you see moral of
the story. Moral of the story. Don't be a stripper
in fist fight or what is it?

Speaker 6 (55:52):
No, I mean, don't don't talk, don't talk about then't
talk about the other club.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
It's kind of like fight club, you know, don't talk
about fight club. Keep keep the keep the other strip
club out of your mouth. There you go, right, Yeah,
so do we have do we know who won the fight?

Speaker 6 (56:06):
Not sure who won the one who was the one
who was talking trash or the one who was at
her home course. Yeah, then then you know, then you've
got basically the Steve Wilco of Devil's Den that then
has to get up there. And it's probably one of
those two where you know, you got to pick the
lady up because you know she's trying to kick, trying
to throw all that. So still kicking and punching in
the air, doing all.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Of that, but in the background, you'll steal here tricksy, trixy,
you're on deck tricksy.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
It would be like Brian Callen and what was it
the hangover to after the machine gun goes off?

Speaker 13 (56:35):
All right?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Is everybody all right? All right?

Speaker 1 (56:37):
All right?

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Now get back to work? There the time to work.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
Uh yeah, the tricksy, the good times keep rolling here
at the Devil's Den exactly on Dick in the Hole
is yeah, like it's tricksy, Savannah. Savannah's a pretty tricksy
for sure.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
What are some others good? Good? I mean, yeah, you
know Dan Mysstick, miss oh nice, really nice, Sonny, Misty, Misty,
that works, Sonny, Oh really good one, Sonny, Brandy Brandy nice?
So well, does it? Brandy basically a why a why
Brandy's a regular people use Brandy all the time. I mean,

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Brandy's a name, and so is what was the first one? Brand?
Brandy was popular with the Fisherman, remember you know, but
you got but with Brandy, what other name did you
say before that? Go again? Sonny is not as popular
with you obviously. Oh well, Sonny with an O is
usually a guy sometimes guys with girls. Girls with guys'

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names can be Charlie, Charlie, you're up. But I like
the name Charlie for you know, like you know, because
they call it having a general gender neutral name that
usually you know, girls that have you know, what we
think would be guys names are usually always pretty hot.
Well yeah, because you're not worried about any of that.
There's like I can name it because nobody's gonna make
fun of her. But that's that's usually one of the gibbons.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
The other one is if football coach has a daughter,
oh normally yeah, but stay away from the program, you're
not dating any of my players or like that. One
Hard Knocks with Brian Cox and one of the players
was trying to rise up his daughter and in the
middle of the meeting, he goes hey, and by the way,
stop dming my daughter.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Can you imagine that? Don't slide into my daughter's and
with Brian Cox and he you don't want that ass
I can tell you Cox. He comes from Saint Louis,
East St. Louis and he's one. I love him. I'm
talking about love. And we worked together at ESPN for
a while. I just love him through the coaching and

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all and his passion. I'm just gonna tell you if
you throw all the guys in the years I played
into a into the middle of the field and said,
cage fight, who's coming out of it? Joey Brown is
one of them, and there's others, but Brian Cox, if
I if we're taking futures, bets give me Bryan.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
You know how, like the first opening days of training camp,
there's always fights, and usually the first fights are always
the linemen.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
That tells me that we're passionate. I'd love it. On
one on one.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
Pass rush drill, well, there was like and it became
like we're both the offense and defensive line. The Falcons
started to get into it. And when the defensive line
are on oh yeah, when the defensive line started to
run in for it. Who was running with them? Brian Cox?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Dude, let me tell you something, like I said, if
you were the guy that Brian Cox said, quit hitting
my daughter up on d m oh and he said
it with a smile on his and he liked you
enjoy it? Why you can and get out of his
daughter's d MS because or if you follow through on it,

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you better make sure you and you better marry her,
and you better make sure it's a lifelong relationship. Because
I'm telling you I love him. But if you want
to go into a battle and a guy that you
want on your side, Brian Cox is Cox. He's the guy,
and if you don't, then you better bring a lunch
pail or you are a good supply of body body bags.

(01:00:07):
And I mean that affectionately. I love him, man, I
love his passion, everything about him. He's that teammate that
you say, I don't have to worry about his effort
or him showing up or him playing pissed. He played
angry all the time. But that's I can already picture
Brian say that, hey, by the way, and then that guy.
While Brian might have been laughing about I could picture
whoever it was for the next week walking around the

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terribletoryes like say what do I do? And and and
I see I would have milked it. I would have said,
oh my gosh, of all the guys you were going
to choose, you chose Brian Cox, you chose Brian Cox's daughter.
I mean, dude, like, like you know when when a
guy comes out and cheap shots your star on in
hockey and the guys skate around saying, oh the good

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you better protect yourself because in period two, you know
who's coming out to track you down with Brian. And
I mean this, like I said, in a good way,
but I would imagine that that person was walking treading
real lightly around the facility around Brian for the next
time and kissing a lot of ass.

Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
Well it's it's you know, it's the old saying he
ain't the one to try, right, he ain't the one that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Well, he's the guy that if there's a fight breaks out,
like on the field and you see him start to
walk towards the pile of the fight even though he
wasn't involved in the A your head's on a swilvie
to say fight needs then right now that was Joey Browner, dude,
when he'd start running towards a fight. I had him
in sc and I had him in Minnesota. So Joey
and I have a teammates. Two plays for a long
time and anytime a fight broke out, and Joey decided

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to take that long strided jog that he has towards
the fight. And if his brother Keith Browner was in
it at USC, the pile, like you know, when you
staid by aunt piles, they scatter. When Joey started to
take that jog towards the pile, it was like, okay,
time to end it, joe He's on his forty sevens
running towards the pile. You don't want to die out

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here with an ass whooping with a kick to the
to the throat and Ryan Cox just as president alone.

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Yeah, that's probably a bad eye. That's that's another thing.
You don't want none.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah, well they don't then was it that smoke you definitely? Yeah,
you definitely don't want me. You want him on your
side because Brian's one of the all time greats. But
back to the stripper thing real quick. So the moral
of the story is, don't talk trash about an opposing
clothes and stay off the stage when you got to fight.

Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
And if you're if you're going obviously no pictures and
just go for the wings.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
But I just go for the wings, you know, or
some rare remember we've heard that before. They serve rare
roast beef and prime rib there too.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
They have that breakfast buffets, which I'm just like, I
don't think I'm gonna be eating here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
That would that would be an appetite loser pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
And also just just to make sure that you know,
you tip well so you can make sure that they
you can help them play for their degree. No touch, Yes,
no you touch. You're out as you should be. That's it,
as you should be. What are the names of those
two again in Philly or Pennsylvania?

Speaker 6 (01:02:59):
Pennsylvania? The clubs are the name of the clubs you
called them? Yeah, it was the Devil's Den and Castaways.
H See, it's always names like those two, you know
where it's it's it's it's got to portray some sort
of uh. I mean, I guess Devil's then wouldn't necessarily
portray comfort, but like Castaways.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
But the names and the names of on deck. It's
the comedy. If it's a comedy, like like you mentioned
Savannah or I did you mentioned Brandy? It's usually for me. God,
I think it's usually a name that's not common in
Did you would like that you wouldn't name your daughter
right like Tricksy does pe people name their daughter Trixie?
I don't think so that's just the stage huh, Peaches, Well, man,

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you're on a rollout or so how was that strip
club in Tulsa? Or like it's a classic one Memphisphis,
you're on deck even though we're in Orlando.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
Well was it Jeff Banks, the the assistant, the pole assassin.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Great coach. By the way, is that if you're talking
about that Jeff Banks?

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
I mean that was the story like her pet monkey
like attack one?

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Yeah, exactly, so full time classic. But Memphis is on deck?
Followed by what was that? Oh, Peaches? I don't think
anybody's name of their kid, Peaches.

Speaker 6 (01:04:18):
I just just remember though too, and I've heard this,
I I don't know from experience. Is uh, you know
the dancer truly does love you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Oh yeah, she wants because she's never done that with
anybody else, right, and you know she loves you. Yeah, yeah,
I can see it. I can see it, man, I
can feel it. Yeah, just after just after two dances,
ask her to.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
Marry you because that friend that says that that's the
old Hey, walk with me for we're taking you home.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Actually, you know this is all just speculation because I
wouldn't know, because you know, I know you've never been Come.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
Come with me for a second. Let's let's have up here.
Let's talk this out. Se Al, Rob Carl see you
guys right there. We'll get back into the Texans draft
talk here on the show on Salisbury Show Sports Sock seven.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Ninety fout The Shawn Salisbury Show continues.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
Jump aboard. I'll appreciate your patience, buddy, good morning.

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
Hey, what's going on? Guys? Uh, let me jump right
into it real quick.

Speaker 14 (01:05:17):
I think, uh, I'm gonna trust the Miko, Ryan Seawan
and Nick Caseiro because a lot of speculations even what
should do just the overall take on this draft and
these potential players and all that we already know as
wapsat And when I say that these scalps, I mean

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these people that's reporting back to the owners and the
management of coaching and the.

Speaker 8 (01:05:43):
GMS, they be more wronged. And how about Tom Brady
the sick round so should do it? Should do it?
And the patch of Mahmes he didn't go to the
first pick. Okay, how about jaalen Hurst. So look at
these guys. You know you rarely have we seen in
the last five to four years that the number one quarterback.

(01:06:05):
I can't remember the orders Young won a Super Bowl
or even comes close to the potential of the number
one pick. They had so much potential on Caitlin Williams.
How did that work out? Yeah, we can nick and
pick by this team in line or whatever, but whatever.
Look at Bryce Young, everybody, well the brightce Young rug
how did they look out?

Speaker 7 (01:06:23):
C J Strike surely along headed than him.

Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
So I wouldn't get down about Shirdri Sanders and just
to say this and hang up and get your take.
I think Sean is gonna be the totally option. We
live in the world now, it's a vacuum world. No
one's gonna be so hung up on then this, that
and the third. You may have some old school organizations,
but whatever, the way these kids and the way these
coaches is now, it's a vacuum world. They want when

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he goes out and plays show that confidence, this that
and the third and the most accuratey quarterback in the
Big twelve.

Speaker 7 (01:06:56):
I think he probably gonna go to Cleveland and when he.

Speaker 8 (01:06:59):
Gets on a field just played doors talking.

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
I just think we live in a vacuum world.

Speaker 8 (01:07:03):
No one's gonna be the date because people forget so
fast nowadays, Sean, It's like now year na yang.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
But I think he gonna do with it. I ain't
gonna get you take all right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
I appreciate the call, Al, I don't. I'm not overly
hung up on him. I wasn't like jaw dropped over it.
There was only a two or three teams in the
draft that would have taken him that were that were
interested in less than five that they were in desperate
need of a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
The prop over under was two and a half, right,
so if three, obviously the over would have head.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Yeah, but I'm you're talking about teams that were interested
in drafting a quarterback. Forget who got like going in
as their evaluation. Once you got past the Giants, the Browns,
and the Titans, and only one of them took a
guy that high, you started it started to you started
to run in this son the Bears didn't need one.
I mean, you start, you started to run into teams

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that didn't have them. So part of that. Now, if
there was eight teams that needed a quarterback, just the
draft would have been a different story. Supply and demand,
and there's more less demand, and quite frankly, in this
draft it's a there's some you might get a good
one in the fourth round. It doesn't appear to be
that there's eight stuperstars at quarterback in this draft. Now,
I think cam Ward is going to be really, really good.

(01:08:20):
It's I wrong. We're sitting here. That's the first pick
in the draft. I've never heard less talk about the
first pick of a draft. Yeah, and a guy who
hasn't been drafted to getting more talk with the guy.
The distance between cam Ward and Shador Sanders was, in
my mind, in my evaluation, was pretty significant. Cam Ward's
a better player. Now, does that mean because one's a
better player, you don't think the other could play? No,
Al's right. Once this is over, it is pride and

(01:08:43):
ego with the big part now and the hype that
went with all the but the hype came from the outside.
Did you ever hear one guy, a scout or anybody
come out and say a head coach say that guy
is a franchise changing quarterback. We don't need a quarterback.
But somebody rarely did you hear that in this draft,
cam Ward, But so we just assumed there was a
first round grade on him by twenty teams. There obviously

(01:09:05):
wasn't but hype. And remember, reporters have their sources. They
go to the guy they want to get stuff from
whose they draft. Everybody has an agenda. Doesn't mean I'm
always a negative connotation, you know. The agenda of Okay,
my agenda is to find out who the three best
quarterbacks are the five, but the agenda is, you know,
you're protecting your sources. And this guy said this, but

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we all assume because of what we saw on Colorado playing,
or he's Dion Son or did, everybody had a high
grade on him right then their room. They obviously didn't
have the same grade as it somebody else may have.
But al is right, and there's going to be a
lot more players in this draft that think they're getting
drafted in the second round. It would be more they could
draft on the third or a guy thought he's getting

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drafted the third gets taken in the sixth Trust me,
I know what that feels like. And it's a miserable day.
But then you got to wake up and go back
to your to work. Well, I mean, you're in the
door right right now. You've got the opportunity right now,
go now do your thing, so right right, and we
see a countless players just because Schudor Sanders wasn't drafted
in the first round. It's not a life since he says, well,

(01:10:09):
you're gonna be a crappy player. He'll decide that as
will as teammates around him and the coaching staff that
puts him in position wherever he's drafted. I don't care
if it's the third round. I'm sure brock Perty was like, damn,
I thought it was gonna be a fourth orifth round.
I got to pick the last pick of the draft.
Just turned out pretty good for him. Well, I mean
in the tune of about fifty five to sixty mil
as the last guy drafted this draft. So that contract,

(01:10:29):
I just to me, once you get by your own
pride and ego and a little bit of extra money
that you'd have made even making nil and I don't
think he needs it in the family.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
The next contract is now you say, okay, what chip
you're putting on your shoulder, the pouch chip that says, oh,
nobody likes me. I'm better than that, and you're grudge
holding or you know what, that's all right Now, I'm
gonna go do my thing. All the pre draft type
is just that they're never gonna tell you exactly what
they're doing. And the grades on Shador Sanders and the

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eyewash on Shooter Sanders by pros people who do it
every day, were that he's not a first round pick.
But that's not a mandate that says you can't be
a good player. Hell if that was the case, and
let's not draft him the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth,
and seventh round. So they listen, the guy has laws
and he's got some good things going on. Now he
gets a chance to go prove it out from under
his pops umbrella. And remember what I mentioned yesterday.

Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
I mean, you almost forget that Quinn yours is in
this draft, and you know, people will look down on
Quinn a little bit for the year that he had
last year. Well, and I understand that the next follow
up to that is, well, he didn't have Whittington Worthy
and all these guys. I'm like, look, I get all
of that, but we've also seen people who have screwed
up having more talent, and he didn't screw that up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
He did pretty well with those guys in that season.
He's a good player. I mean, let's make no mistake
about it. He is a Quinn. Yours can rip it.
The consistency mechanically, they're going through somebody. I don't know
what round it's gonna Okay, let's say he gets drafted
in the fourth or fifth round. Let's just say I
think he won't have some a little bit of regrets.

(01:12:01):
Say maybe I should have come back and played one
more year senior year sommer. Maybe maybe not. But does
that mean that he's not going to go shine? Sometimes
you actually shine more because you feel like, oh, I
actually do have something more to prove, because these guys
didn't respect me or value my game enough. It's not
personal for some it may be, but it's like, man,

(01:12:22):
I thought I was a better player than this play.
I mean, one person, one team's evaluation doesn't get to
dictate to me.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
How good a player I am. I mean, look at
Dak Prescott. I mean that was I watched tons of
Dak Prescott when he played at Misissippi State, and I
was like he felled day three.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Happening every day. Well, the two highest paid quarterbacks in
the league when the I mean think about this, Dak Prescott,
where was he taking fourth round Mississippi State. Brock Perty's
going to get all has he signed his new deal yet?
He has? So the speculation is between fifty five more
than two, which is fifty three million, said last pick

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of the draft. So you're going to basically say if
he gets the sixty to fifty eight million a year,
you're going to basically say the two quarterbacks that are
the two highest paid quarterbacks yearly salary or close are
going to be two guys that were drafted after the
third round. So in truth, it's not that it's a
big deal for the Pridey. It's not a big deal
on football because once they go there, strip all the

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names and the numbers off. You've got to go play man.
And when you play, if you're the better player, most
coaches like to play the better player.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
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We want to win, Sean Salisbury continues on seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
And then that's when it hits right there, fairly, brothers man,
They love. They love to hit the note every single time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Absolutely, And you played the Brad Fax and Freddie Funk card.
Good card. Yeah, it might have been like Mark Calcavecia,
you love some calr that's it. Maybe even like Marco
Mura was part of that group ball Strike was.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
Gonna say mid mid to late nineties golfers pretty much
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
Farles some house Sutton maybe maybe I think I think
would have been great in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
That he's got a golf course here out in Columbus
and lives in Texas, good old Texas.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
Yeah, originally from Bosier City, Louisiana. But there you go,
getting out there. But uh yeah, little kingpin for you
this morning again, seven five, seven ninety the number to
get in on the phone lines. Texans trade out of
the first round. They've got two seconds, three thirds coming
up tonight Astros in Kansas City taking on the Royals,
and also the Rockets and Warriors game three tomorrow nights

(01:16:19):
in the Bay Areas series tied at one. Get back
out to the phone lines. Carl In Dickinson, Carl good morning.

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:16:27):
Well we're lucky to have the two best analysis of
the sports industry on the radio here in Houston. Man,
you guys breaking it down.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Thank you so appreciate it. Chuck the mail, thank you, buddy.

Speaker 15 (01:16:39):
Yeah, I was expounding on Sean's statement he made the
other day. I couldn't get in y'all were busy with
Dana Brown, but he was exactly right about having a
Super Bowl type guy on the team to get the
team thinking winning. You know, I went down in nineteen
eighty one down to Rockland, California for the forty nine

(01:17:01):
ers training camp, and first day I'll never forget walked
into the training room, I mean the meeting room. We're
all sitting down. Well, this guy walks in. Man, he
looks like he's got a kid's haircut, fourteen year old
kid's haircut, with an old man's face, beady eyes. He
had a briefcase, looked like he had a chain around it.

(01:17:23):
He had an under handful of pencils wrapped around with
a rubber band, and he goes a rookie said, hey man,
let me have one in pencils and he turned around,
looked at him, goes no. Well, this old black veteran
up top said hey boy, you better get your butt
black away from that guy right now, and he goes,
who's that, He goes, that's a jacks Hot Saw Reynolds. Well,

(01:17:47):
what they did they brought that guy. He was a
you know, a student of George Allen back from you know,
La Rams.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
This guy was awesome.

Speaker 15 (01:17:56):
He was like fourteen fifteen year old veteran old man
killed there. Well, they flew him in from his private island,
I think, in the Bahamas to come in there. Well,
what he did the forty nine ers bought a bunch
of money on rookies that year, and what he did
he solidified that team, made them winners from day one.

(01:18:17):
Everywhere this guy went, he had a you know, chalkboard.
He was not only a great football player, but he
was an educator and he did get those rookies rowing
that they've invested their money in. So Sean, your coint
was right on, brother, that's all. He's gonna call it
in and tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Carl, thank you very much. I appreciate you. What a
great reference. It doesn't matter what the ear was. Guys
like that Jack Hacksaw Reynolds was unbelievable. You got to
be an ass kicker if your name is Hacksall. Oh,
there's no doubt. I don't think the part of that
he got that nickname from sawn a vehicle in half.
Oh wow, yeah, I think. But Hacksaw was real. Oh yeah,

(01:18:56):
I think so. Lawrence Taylor parton any given Sunday had precedents.
I'm pretty sure it was real, unless it's one of
the greatest fake stories ever. But that's where it's I mean,
supposedly the nickname. Now maybe we all bought into it,
but Jack Axel Reynolds was a monster when he walked
into the room. You know, kg, you know, just like

(01:19:18):
you know, probably a little you know, old man, Get
off my lawn, Jack Reynolds. But still where the old
man strength. But the presence of a winner, and Carl's right,
the presence of Winter matters. It does now. The presence
of a Winter who can't play a lick or has
no who has doesn't have any much skins in a
game and put his time and people just look at
and say, oh, hot air, right. But the guy who

(01:19:41):
comes in and does it and then they talk about it.
Then he talks about you don't have to be the
guy that always talks, go do it and the example
and learning how to win that that that that is
something and guys like Jack Reynolds, even though it's an
old school reference, still applies to this day. Guys like that,
and having guard to Johnson here matters.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:19:58):
I mean it's you know, into the point you just
brought up about CJ. Gardner Johnson. I mean, that's that's
a huge reason, you know, with the Texans. But Kalaias Campbell,
I mean, he's not the player he used to be,
but he still gets jobs why he's effective enough and
he's a guy that can show guys how to be pros, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Exactly, and still give you enough on the field that
warrants him being under contract. The best year that the
Falcons when I was there got out of Vic Beasley
their first round pick was when Dwight Freemi was there.
You think that's my mistake. No, there's a reason you
have guys there that learning how to be a pro.
Just because you get paid doesn't make you a pro.

Speaker 6 (01:20:28):
Or even the guy that left and is now in
Chicago case Keenum. I mean times did C. J. Stroud
talk about him and saying that, hey, that guy's gotten
me ready.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Lean Andon, Guys that you can trust in the building
that do you know, have your best interests in mind
and have been around other players and winners. It is.
It does permeate to the building, just like the other way.
It's true. It really just comes down. He's got a
bunch of you got a bunch of clowns in the building,
taxic people in the building. It will it will bring
your your your team down. Well, I mean, and you
can't fake hard work. I mean, that's that's the thing

(01:20:59):
that you know, talk about it all the time, about
being genuine. That's what it comes down. So if I
got to, if I got a coach hard work, I'm
not drafting a guy. If I'm not, I'm not, that
group will get cleaned out quickly. I'm not. I'm not.
I don't like I said, I'll say it all the time.
If I'm at this stage of my career and I
got it during the draft, or I'm on a team
and I got it, and I lead with, well he's

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a hard worker. Well, I would imagine if I drafted
a guy in the first round or went and signed
him for twenty five million bucks, I'm assuming he's a
hard worker. I always love how it's like a throwaway comment,
you better be I would assume I'm a say I'm
on the numpset. Everybody's supposed to to do that when
they're playing you're a pro. But it doesn't always come

(01:21:39):
that way. So we have to like pre quality. Oh
he works hard, thanks captain. Better he should because I'm
not coaching hard work. I'm just don't coach hard work.
Hard work, but not hard work.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
That's on you.

Speaker 6 (01:21:54):
What Helen's dad say in Christmas vacation? Oh, he worked
really hard dead sell to washing machines. Exactly, there you go,
hard work. What was that during the bonus? That was
the Christmas lights? Oh, there you go, because the lights
wouldn't come on. But the same the same thing about
it wasn't that part of he got his bonus there
as well? Right with that he did at the end
of that's right. But get my cousin Eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Yeah, so yeah, you gotta right with white shoes, white
pat and leather, you can't. You can't have a team.
I should never have to label my team hard workers.
I would assume that through our work, you see that
it's and it's not that I'm ever going to coach.
It's assumed. It's the standard.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
It should be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Yeah, and some don't work hard, and sadly enough, that's
why you got a pre qualify. Oh hard worker or
he's work harder. It's just hard for me to fathom.
You go get a job and you're not giving him everything.
I don't get it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
Well, it's I mean, it's why teams continue to lose
and some can some continue to win. Rob Brandon, Nick John,
see you guys, we'll get you all here in the
eight o'clock hour. Continue that Texans conversation, especially too of
the method to Nick Casserio's man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
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Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
To pick up a second and the third this year,
in a third next year. Astros in Kansas City to
take on the Royals and the Rockets and Warriors Tomorrow
night game three over on news radio seven forty k
t RH series tied at one again Sebon one three
two one two five seven ninety the number two. Get
in on the phone lines real quick here before we

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get back to some of you out there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
It was Billy Andraid, Brad Faxon and Paul Asinger who
were credited as being Roy Munson's nineteen seventy nine bowling buddies.
Right there, Burn Baby Burn is playing, you know it
goes in rushing strike.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
And Roy Munson play the golf like those three.

Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
Well, I mean, once he lost his hand, I think that,
you know, it was kind of an uphill battle for him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Then he lost well, I mean, you.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
Know, losing the Biggaran McCracken was kind of tough to
come back from too. You know, Bill Murray's got the
hair going all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
The fairlies, man, they love their athletes.

Speaker 9 (01:24:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
That's the thing is.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
You go back and watch the diner scene in Dumb
and Dumber and the guy who yells at kick his
ass Sea Bass, Well, he's Houston's own rocket. Roger Clemons,
huh yeah, and se Sea Bass was Cam Neely of course.
You know Brett Farv and something about Mary. So the fairlies.
They love their athletes, that's for sure. Again Sebon one
three two one two five seven ninety Randon, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
How you doing? Man?

Speaker 16 (01:25:02):
I watched the draft last night?

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
What'd you think?

Speaker 16 (01:25:07):
I liked it? I liked the first pick.

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
Ba okay, yeah, so I mean you liked uh you know,
cam Ward being being picked?

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
What uh? What about the Texans trading out? Were you
cool with that?

Speaker 10 (01:25:19):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Okay, what do you think?

Speaker 16 (01:25:21):
And they're gonna know who we got traded? But I
do like it?

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
Okay, yeah, I mean there's there's traded picks. So you
get a second and the third this year and a
third next year. So we're gonna get an early second
round pick tonight taking over the Giants pick.

Speaker 16 (01:25:39):
Oh yeah, I will watch tonight and I'll say I'll
watched some baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
There you go, so to two screen action right there.
I like your style, Brandon.

Speaker 16 (01:25:50):
I was trying to watch who did you watch the
car Waterwauks game? Game too?

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Did not that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Sad? Say? Missed that one man?

Speaker 16 (01:26:01):
They walked to the they walked to the Kansas City.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah. They did play a doubleheader yesterday.
That's right, so maybe those Royals pitchers will be tired
for the Astros this weekend. Brandon, get the bats going
a little bit. Yep, there you go, all right, buddy,
Well we expect to get your draft grades on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Is that cool?

Speaker 16 (01:26:24):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
All right, buddy, have a good weekend. Thanks, all right?

Speaker 6 (01:26:28):
See man, Yeah, that's that's the other part of this.
You know, we hadn't really gotten in much of the
Astros this morning, but the Royals having to play a
double yesterday, so you get Seth Lugo tonight against Hayden
was Nesky. So the Astros with a Royals pitching staff
that has not been really throwing it well lately. So
you kind of go into this series the complete opposite

(01:26:48):
way of where you're going in last year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah, I had a little higher hopes for Kansas City,
at least starting out there, because I think that they
you know, and they may go on and win the division.
I mean, I don't know, but I think a lot
of us thought they'd be a little bit better. They
got good players. But it's a chance to go in
there and take care of your business, get back home
for three more and continue this winning streak. For sure.

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
Let's get back into the draft. Let's hit up John
on the northwest side. Who wants to talk a little
draft John? What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Hey, good morning. I really like what Casio did.

Speaker 17 (01:27:17):
I think it's great that we have five picks out
of the first one hundred, and you know, there's some
really good value there, like Trey Harris Sean and you
know that left tackle Anthony Belton is available. You know,
I would love to see us get him, and that
Devin Neil. Everybody's calling him the most dangerous back in

(01:27:37):
the draft. So I mean, these are this is all
stuff that's that's still there, and I think we could
potentially make a really good, really good haul in the
second or third rounds. I really like Casario's thinking and
and you know, we'll see what happens, but I just
I just think there's a lot of good value that
can be gleaned from all this and looking.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Forward to it.

Speaker 17 (01:28:00):
I think it was a great move by Cassario what
he did.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
So yeah, yep, no argument here. I am with you.
And the question is, yeah, what does another back become?
Del You're looking for a little depth there. Interesting because
they're going to get a quick pick in a hurry.
And if Cleveland doesn't go quarterback and they take something else,
what guy but there is and I think they self, John,

(01:28:24):
just to validate what you're saying. I think that's exactly
why they trade it out. Is not only to accumulate
these assets, because they may maybe they want to move
around again, who knows, but to accumulate these assets because
I'm assuming that on their draft board, did they have
the guy at thirty four ranked just as high as
anybody else they would have had at twenty five at

(01:28:44):
the time, And that's why they moved out. Once again,
we said all we want. Their evaluation may be different
than what we thought of what you saw. Why didn't
you get this guy or Simmons or someone. The bottom
line is for them, they feel they're going to get, well,
you have to pay less, but more assets, more players,
five picks in the first one hundred, as John said,
and they will end up feeling like with this second

(01:29:07):
round pick, with thirty fourth pick, I guarantee you they
feel that the guy has first roundability. Whoever it is
they've taken, they're going to say, and it may very
well be that they have first roundability and that they
knew because Cleveland with the teams were picking in front
of them, they had a pretty good idea that this
guy wasn't on their board. Whoever it is going to
be with thirty four, the luxury you have is threefold.

(01:29:28):
I think that it's Number one, you've got your franchise quarterback.
You don't have to worry about that. Number two, that's
always the standard setter.

Speaker 6 (01:29:35):
You've got another, you know, highly thought of commodity out
coming out of draft is you know, a standout edge
rusher and will Anderson Junior. The only thing that is
the bad out of these three is that you don't
have a franchise left tackle at this moment. I mean,
I think you like what Cam Robinson's going to bring you,
but I don't think you necessarily believe that that's a
long term solution. And then, you know the other side

(01:29:59):
of that is people would say, Okay, well then why
not Simmons. Again, like I said earlier, if he's good
enough for Kansas City, WI, isn't he good enough for you?

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
But if they great it different though, sure, I mean
that's that's a POSSI You're right, you'd say, well, hell,
Kansas City's had success drafting, but in truth did did
You may not have had any idea that Kansas City
held him in that regardless my point, maybe you thought
at the time you could grab him with the second
pick of the second round after you made the trade.

Speaker 6 (01:30:26):
If he's there, then I think that's a possibility. And
it's also too I mean we were talking about with
Laramie Tunzel being shipped away. I mean Kansas City did
the same thing with Joe Toney. So I mean this
is maybe somebody that saught a project here or somebody
that if he has a good camp, you say, Okay, yeah,
we like this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
He's day one and and if he is, and if
he's not, we get If you know you were able
to get a guy like him in day two, you
will obviously sell to us and everybody else into your
team and city that that guy's a first round player
that we got in the second round. That that's how
you approach with thirty four is not too far removed
from that.

Speaker 6 (01:31:03):
For the most part the last few years, Nick Casseio
has done really good work in the second.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
I have no bitch about where they are with what
they did with the trade. None And you got you
got a player. The Giants wanted to play because they
love Jackson Dart and they got him where they thought
it was their value for him for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:31:19):
Someone seven ninety again the number two jump aboard.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Let's stay here in our area the gallery and Nick,
good morning.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Hey, good morning.

Speaker 7 (01:31:28):
Is it safe to say that shad.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Or got munsened.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
I mean, he's still got both hands, so I mean,
you know, and he doesn't have to go and try
to find Ezekiel somewhere. So Ishmael, Ishmael, I I apologize, Ishmael,
but uh yeah, I mean at least you still got
that going for him.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
There you go.

Speaker 7 (01:31:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:31:48):
I think one of the one of the things that
that Belichick always said.

Speaker 9 (01:31:52):
Was that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
One of the best assets you could have is to.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
Have multiple picks in the draft.

Speaker 18 (01:31:57):
And and I think I think, you know, Nick is
own that right now, and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Hopefully Nick was.

Speaker 18 (01:32:02):
You know, it sounds like he was helping out Belichick
with all those picks over the last you know, ten
to fifteen years. Not the first round one that Belichick
screwed up, or the or the free agent picks that
Belichick screwed up, but the ones that nobody really talked
about that ended up working out really well. So that's
the only good part about the Patriot way that I
agree with, well, not the only one, but getting multiple

(01:32:24):
picks in the draft is going to be is going
to be good.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
Appreciate the call, and you know, Nick, I'm glad you
brought that up, because that is something that immediately when
I saw this move made last night, came to mind
for me is oh, this is trained thinking right here,
This is what this guy is used to. Because how
many times did we see the Patriots when they'd be
picking twenty nine thirty wherever it might be, where they say, yeah,
we could, but we could also move into the top

(01:32:49):
five of the second round and have a good shot
at getting the same guy even later and pay him loss.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Regular occurrence, and a big reason why they won championships,
even though we may they didn't do it the sexy way.
They wanted smart players and if they could get a
guy at the thirty sixth pick, a thirty fifth pick
that everybody else thought was the twenty ninth pick, and
they did, having Brady Helps. But think about theirs, from
Vrabels to the Bruce Skis to the Richard Seymour's to

(01:33:18):
Lawyer Malloy's to tie loops. They drafted some guys in
the first un but drafted did a great job of
picking up a guy like Rodney Harrison when they had
a chance to. They knew when to get rid of
people at the right time. Casario, Listen, twenty years with somebody,
you start to think like them. Hell, you start to
look like them when you're around somebody every day. Yeah,
but think about it. How many times people get married
and then about ten years into shim man, you guys

(01:33:38):
look like brother and sister start taking that dog owners
start to look like they're dogs. Well, there you go.
Whatever it is. So in this case Casaro has drafted well,
and why wouldn't you want to go the New England
way like people are going Kansas anyway, because they had
a lot of success doing it. Now, you got to
hit on the quarterback and the head coach got to
be good, and he is. But Nick Cassio not only learned,

(01:33:59):
but I'm sure helped Bill along the way. And it's
okay to have some of the same ideals and ideas
that they had and apply them to here and then
add your own little twist to it. But yes, that
was a specialty of them. Trade down, get more players
and it worked out pretty well for them. So good example, Oh, Sean,
they just want good football players. I mean, how many
times you hear Nick Serio say that we just want

(01:34:19):
good football players, good football and if you were to repeat,
if you were to finish the sentence, you want good
football players and smart football players. Belichick put it this way.
Great talent, maybe not a high football IQ. Bill's gonna
pass on it. Not quite as talented, high football IQ.
Self starter. Belichick takes that guy over the guy more talented,

(01:34:42):
always did well, usually winning organizations.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Do yep?

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
I mean that's why again you know it were not
just the eyes and the optics. It's the deep dive
on does he a self start? Does he study little
things to become big things? Like will the guys study
at home? I know that sounds crazy. Well, we'll go
away from the building, and as football matter enough to him,
he'll study away his football. Does he love it? And

(01:35:06):
does it matter enough to him that it's not just
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Speaker 6 (01:35:19):
The future was thought about last night with the Texans.
I have no doubt about that, and we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
Let the celebration start or Sean Salisbury.

Speaker 10 (01:37:18):
It's a Sean Salisbury show.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Morning.

Speaker 13 (01:37:24):
Hey sign, I'll tell you what what you say is right.
They didn't love somebody in the first round, because if
they did, they would have picked or they would have
moved up, because we've seen him do that in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
And they would have been willing to give up a
little more for whatever. They didn't pull off those trades
that they were talking about. They would have given up
a little more if there was somebody they loved so
much that they had to give up an asset they
didn't want to part with. They did not love anybody,
or they would have That's.

Speaker 13 (01:37:50):
Right, because they had an extra second and extra fourth
and twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
They he didn't do that. They had some firepower. That's
exactly right.

Speaker 13 (01:37:56):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 9 (01:37:59):
Bear with me.

Speaker 13 (01:37:59):
I'm gonna get to a point here. So right now,
he's got eleven picks, and he's got an extra second,
extra third, and extra fourth. Next year, he's got five
picks in the top ninety nine. My guess is he's
gonna have seven picks in the top ninety nine tonight
when it's all said and done.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Interesting, I don't I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Yeah, I don't think he's gonna get rid of I
think you you know, you're talking about possibly adding even
more assets in the first one hundred. Yeah, I don't
doubt that at all. He's moving and shaking and doing it.
And I don't have one one ounce of bothered by
what they did at twenty five Andy, do you?

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:38:37):
I don't either, Son, I'm all for it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (01:38:40):
But this is what this is what I think seeing
all them offensive around him, because some of those are
some you know, high ranking number one first rounders, seeing
them and seeing him staying away from them tells me
one thing. That offensive lining room last year was toxic.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
And hints hints why they moved a lot of that out.
You're that and unproductive too, and.

Speaker 13 (01:39:11):
Yeah yeah, and the in the end they feel good
with what he's done in free agency. I really think,
and I think that I think the toxic, toxic toxicity
came from Larry mccunsel. I think he ran that offensive
room and you can't have a guy like that. Was

(01:39:33):
how many fall starts.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Pful? Yeah, fifteen or so?

Speaker 13 (01:39:38):
Yeah, Yeah, I was looking at Leonard Cody Mock that
came out two years ago. The redhead of a guy
with no teeth went to Tavia Bay to guard yea
from North Dakota State. I looked at him the other day.
You may fall starts he's had his first two years.
He's played every game as a starter, probably one one, one,

(01:39:59):
one false start in thirty four games. Larry mcconzill was
the issue in that offensive line room last year. Guys
that were going. But hey, yeah, so seven picks tonight
in the first nine nine.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Yeah, makes ther second round, makes the second third round
pretty exciting.

Speaker 6 (01:40:17):
It's just I mean, I don't see it happening because
I mean they've got the two in the second, they
got three in the third, then they don't have a
pick tomorrow until round six, and they've got a couple
of theirs. So I think it's pretty tough unless you
will throw in the future ones you have.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
I don't think they're moving out, let's put it that way.
You're just talking about adding the sixth and seventh pick
in the first one hundred, right.

Speaker 6 (01:40:36):
I mean maybe you could possibly see them, you know,
tomorrow jump into the fifth. But I mean, I just
think it's gonna be tough. And plus, I mean, you've
got five of them tonight, You've got two of both
of those next year, and if I'm not mistaken, they
have a two first next year.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Maybe somebody had mentioned it earlier and I can't remember.
I haven't even looked at the They're set up well
for next year. Is where I'm getting at with this. Yeah,
Like I said, when people say, well, what do you
think about twenty twenty eight, I have zero idea, But
I can tell you twenty twenty five. Yeah, in this draft,
I think it was really smart by them, because what

(01:41:16):
you and I may love, they may not. And we
ain't the one signing a paycheck, and we're sure as
hell not the ones coaching them. So find the guys
that fit with what you're doing, with the value you
place on them, and a lover like thing. Like I said,
I put a heart buy him or a thumb up,
and if a thing on my draft board, if the
heart's there and the guy's available, I'm taking him. If
it's a thumbs up, I'm inquiring about other people, and

(01:41:36):
obviously at that stage they didn't have a heart by
any name. It was just a thumbs up.

Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
I like the guy well, And I mean, the flexibility
is there for the reasons I gave you of two
of your cornerstone pieces are already in place that normally
you would be jumping up for quarterback edge rusher, but
I mean left tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Cornerback, quarterback. Think about this, quarterback, edge rusher, right corner,
number one, dominant wide receiver. They've covered four now, tight
end upgrade, offensive line upgrade, and if you wanted a
little depth to the running back position, I see that too.
So Joe doesn't have to just do everything all the time.

(01:42:15):
If that's the case, but no doubt, three or four
of the positions you must lock down and have that
are really really good. They've covered other than right now,
the left tackle piece in an offensive line, but I'm
talking about individual positions. Hell, they don't just have one
edge rusher either, so they are stout at where when

(01:42:37):
you praise the priority, Okay, it's quarterback, edge tackle, receiver, corner, corner, receiver.
They've got it all covered but one offensive line. I
would expect in the second round they're addressing a little
more of that as well.

Speaker 6 (01:42:49):
And it's also too you mentioned running back. I mean,
if that happens, see you Damian Pierce And oh yeah,
it's already kind of started to go that direction because
third downs last year that was Darya Goomblewallly time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
And you know what, Pierce. If he fits in the
right scheme, we'll go. This zone scheme has been a
little bit I don't want to say troublesome, but he's adjusting.
He'd done great on special teams and it's coming did
some good things spelling, mixing a little bit, you know
on some home runs that he hit. But if yeah,
if they go in there and find another back, Damian
Piers will priably be playing.

Speaker 6 (01:43:18):
There's just there's less of a path for him to
make this team because of I mean you mentioned about
his return ability.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Well then why'd you go out and get brack some
barios That's exactly so you might be moving him if
you drafted back and maybe do you like him in
your years years h set and he's picking up that
zone scheme pretty well. Remember now the offensive coordinator you
have here, now where does he come from? Look very similar.
He's not gonna have to learn any verbiage or the

(01:43:44):
players because they're bringing in a guy and I you know,
it makes you wonder was that part of the plan too,
Get a guy you love as a coordinator, but also
as close to what we're forty nine ers rams, the verbage,
the vikings that coach Zach Taylor in Cincinnati. The verbiage
that you can cross over to any when we got
mixing from there, you didn't have to learn much.

Speaker 6 (01:44:02):
Just know how to answer a question. That's that's that's right.
That's my expectation of Nick Kayley. Don't give me two
and a half minutes of word salad. There you go
when you basically just told me in that word salady
you're talking about Bobby Slowan. Yes, right, so it's you
can make. If you've been in that system, then it flies.
And for Damian Pierce, if he hasn't it, if he
doesn't feel fully comfortable and wants to be a one

(01:44:23):
guy and number one guy, then there's probably a different
system for him because he's got good speed and he's
a hell of he's a good kid and a good player.
But it may not be it may not be long
for it with this game because they're bringing in extremely
very similar to what they're going.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
To do in the Zone run game.

Speaker 6 (01:44:38):
I always say it, if you're confident in your point,
you get right to it. If you're not confident, then
you try to talk yourself into it. Yeah, or and
you talk around it. That's exactly you talk you talk
around it. You you cover up the you know, you
put colonne on dog crap is what you do. And
you want to do that, Just throw the dog cap
away and hose it down, that's what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Yeah, or maybe just have somebody come out there and
scoop it up. There you go, that's the it up yourself, Dan, Yeah, okay,
we do commit to excellence, now, we do. We do,
they'll commit to do. I don't eat hot spots in
my yard, all right?

Speaker 6 (01:45:10):
Is there any way to sound like more of a
basic white guy than I just did?

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Do you wear? Do you wear like the colored socks
when you're in the backyard, like pulled up to your car,
like is that you?

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Are?

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
You that guy with high tops, colored socks and cargo
shorts rowing along?

Speaker 6 (01:45:25):
No, no cargo shorts, not since two thousand and five. Yeah,
no pukahell necklaces either. You know, what's what's the old
biblical thing? You know, when I had childish ways, I
left them in the past. Or however it goes. I'm
sure somebody will hit me up with it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:45:40):
Yeah, the fashion of the past, that's that's definitely left me.
Quentin Joe see you guys right there, Get you guys
in in the conversation also too. You know, as I've
been teasing the method to Nick Cassario's madness, it'll make sense,
trust me. We'll talk about it here Sean Salisbury Show.

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Out there for the Seawan Salisbury show continued.

Speaker 6 (01:46:56):
And that you know, once he was off the board,
that they kind of felt like, you know, Donovan Jackson
was the player. It was escaping me for a second.
But he had thrown that out before the draft last night.
So when I saw that Jackson was still there, I
was like, Okay, that's their guy. And then when Minnesota
got him, I was like, oh, okay, well that's going
to change the equation.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
Are you going to bury the lead? What's the lead?
Boogie Shoes? Are you really gonna let that song play
without slinging love toward it? I mean, gayly care more
about the draft than Boogie Shoes. It's it's not a
disrespect thing. It just feels it. It felt it felt racist.
I just I feel like the song is properly rated.

(01:47:35):
Do you know who the group is? Is it Casey
in the Sunshine Man? Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
You're right?

Speaker 6 (01:47:39):
Tripley easily easily songs in the seventies, You probably go
with them or the Beg's Yeah, So Casey in.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
The Sunshine Van throws on boogie shoes on a Friday,
on freaky Friday, and you decide to put a draft
in front of boogie shoes. I was trying to give
people what they want, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
It was racist, don't you, triple E. There's been a
lot of that going on, pretty racist.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
Didn't and.

Speaker 6 (01:48:05):
I've been I've been throwing out quite a few microaggressions.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Is that it was really weird. You hate on on
on on Casey and the Sunhime. Aren't they all white anyway?
I think so? Yeah, I know, I know the BGS
hate for Whitey, but that song was really palpable. You
know what I'm saying. Triple A kind of hurts, doesn't
Triple A? Yeah, it kind of hurts. I mean I
thought that Casey and the Sunshine Man might get more

(01:48:29):
run by you. That's cool. You want to talk about Oh,
let's talk about eight second round picks. Let's talk about
hat on a hat high motor. Hey, yeah, in a
nine technique, you can really spin it. Yeah, boy, we've
got them all. Trust me.

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
That's another notepad on the side of the refrigerator. I
could throw it, y'all. That's what always cracks me up, Like,
you know, during like I lost, but I watched the
Game Day, which, by the way, I mean, you know,
I didn't watch NFL network, I didn't watch ESPN's I
watched the ABC and they had the Game Day crew.
Nick Saban, he had it on a string last night,
like he was firing them come on, he's unbelievable. He's

(01:49:07):
unreal at it. And it was genuine where it wasn't
just a hey, you know, maybe I know this guy
like he's throwing out like Colston Loveland. He was like, yeah,
that was a recruiting battle we lost, Like it was
stuff like that that he was throwing in there with
the analysis that I was like, like, if you thought.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
That this was maybe gonna be a good idea, it
was enforced last night, and then you can but you
can also throw down. I mean Nick could talk x's
and o's with the best of them. I mean, just
everything about it. He's he's fantastic to answer, they say, oh,
I'm sure he is. I would see, for instance, if
I'm somebody and you want to you're listening to a

(01:49:44):
pregame show or a pre draft show of guys like
Herbstreet and Nick, Saban, don't you want to hear what
they have to say because they may not get all
the picks right, But no disrespect to any good I'd
love Todd McShay of known mell a long time. Any
anybody who's would considered a they love the draft guru

(01:50:05):
stuff right, well, somebody who covers every frigging game and
game to and somebody who studied the craft as was well,
he's best college coach.

Speaker 7 (01:50:14):
Ever.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Wouldn't you think that if when they pump it on
and I say, hey, Nick, I tee him up and say, uh, Loveland,
why him over Ty Warren? And that's all I got
to ask him. I don't need to give him the
answer and then ask the question why him over ty?
Warn and have Nick first of all tell me why
is he xes? And oh's a telestrator and then come

(01:50:37):
and say, oh, by the way, we lost him recruiting
where we would love to have him because he'd have
made a dead blab. But whatever it is, wouldn't you
think that, Okay, I'm gonna trust this even though he
may not be right where he has the guy slotted
see save, I think like him. I want to know now,
Saban and This is where I love more. I don't

(01:50:57):
the pre draft stuff and our guy Andy loves it
and John oh, I study it. The players where they go.
It's you're guessing, dude outside the first few picks and
all this guy they need an edge rusher and I'll
duel Carter's there.

Speaker 6 (01:51:09):
Okay, this was the most disconnected from the college football
season that I've been in a really long time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Well, trade changing teams. You can't keep track of guys
three he may change three times in two years, and
you're not sure where he is anymore. So when you
look at that all the draft leading, there's eight billion
mock drafts, and I get it. People have careers and
they want to do it. Some get them right. See
for me, now is next week and today is is

(01:51:35):
a post draft? Well how they fit into the system
to Ben Johnson the tight end if it's And for
Nick saban Man, I'd say I want to hear him
post draft now now going in because he's not drafting.
He just tells you about Now. I want to hear
what he's got to say about mill Row as a
pro want I want to hear what he says guys
he has studied and so I trust guys like that
of value. I trust a lot of evaluation, but if

(01:51:57):
it's a deep dive into on the field character all
that I do. Man, I'm tuned into Nick Saban, and
I'm not tuned into many draft of pregame shows at all.
I'm tuned into him because I know he's seen all
of it, every last bit. Doesn't mean other people can't
do it too, but I usually trust the guys that
it's hard for me to trust a guy that says

(01:52:19):
I wouldn't draft him there. And then I say, and
I've done this, They say, well, did you watch him
play in college? And no, I didn't see him play.
So you're basically reading Twitter or something else. You say
you jumped on YouTube. I'm gonna take Joel Klatt or
Serb Street that's watched him ten times during the season
a little more, even though you may not agree with
their analysis with your naked eye. They're pretty dialed in

(01:52:42):
it tape, and so having Nick Saban is personality shows.
When he's talking about a player, it's you close your
mouth and listen. Hey, all of us. I like Joel,
I like Clatt, but he's on the list. You know
he used to come on with us all the time,
and then all of a sudden text messages didn't get
responded to. Oh so you pulled the do on it.

(01:53:03):
Yeah yeah, interesting. But he could be, you know, because
any Matt Thomas guy here. Yeah, I think he was.
I think he used to. But it might be you know,
new phone number, all these things, so I'm too big
for you. Yeah, that very much could be too. I might.

Speaker 6 (01:53:18):
I might have you know, bothered him too much and
now it's not geez that number. Yeah, there's a few
of those happen. Yeah, no, it does, it does absolutely,
you know. Let's save and you're right, you'll get some
good insight. I am a bad person for thinking that
you do good work.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
I am. I fully wear it, I admit it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
So when a producer's calling you to actually have you on,
it's a compliment, even though you may not. Still it's
okay to return the text say well I can't make it,
or I can yet I have.

Speaker 6 (01:53:47):
Been ok doked a few times. Hey, can we keep
you through the segment If we didn't agree to it before,
then no you cannot. There then you start paying. Yeah,
there's there's certain there's that's very true because for my
personal Hey, can we have you on even if I
have nothing going on?

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Sorry? Or the best one I ever had was when
I was in Boston for my cousin running the marathon
and I'm legit at the Red Sox game and I said,
at the Red Sox game, can't do it today? Oh
you can't step out? I just wrote them back. I go.

Speaker 6 (01:54:14):
I really was trying to be nice with that first one.
Now I can't be nice with the second one. The
follow up was not appreciated.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
Yeah, I if I well, I'm on my time, I'm
at a baseball game. I just prefer I could walk out. Yeah, yeah,
you're right, I could. I could, but I'm not going
to much rather stare at the Green Monster than talk
to you. And I'm having a fanway Frank, and I'm
sports out and I gotta come probably about five summer
als deep. Yeah, and if I got three beers in
from the cask and flagging, I'm not coming on your show.

(01:54:43):
So I can be so I can just slur an
answer of why the guy didn't exactly, bro, I got
a guy going to a place he played fourteen years
ago because I had eight beers. I'll sitting at the ballpark. No,
I love you, but I can't do it.

Speaker 6 (01:54:55):
Funny thing is is I saw that same guy at
sec Metidias. He had the nerve to ask me how
the Red Sox game was. I just said it was
great and I kept walking.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Yeah, it was great. Like I was, like, imagine what
I'd have missed if I'd have gone out with you
and spent twenty minutes talking to you on the phone
and interview when I'm trying to enjoy just a finaway Frank. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not talking to you when Sweet Caroline is coming over.
But sing Sweet Caroline. It's a compliment they want. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:55:19):
I do, trust me, and anytime, I'm more than willing
if I've got the time. But you know you asked
me to step out of the Red Sox game.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
Yeah that's not once I walk in Fenway Park. The
only way you're getting me out is when the game ends.
That's it.

Speaker 6 (01:55:30):
Yeah, nothing else matter. Hey, hey buddy, Hey buddy, move it
along all right? Yeah, games of a buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (01:55:37):
Quentin, Joe Anthony will get you guys sometimes. Are you
gonna tell Quentin and Joe you're gonna get him in.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
We're gonna get him next man. We're gonna get them,
but you might right TRIPLEI, I mean, Quentin and Joe,
are you guys? Have you gained four years? Four years
since the Fenway Park? Dude, they will be unimpeded, Okay, unimpeded. Hey, Joe,
Quinn will get to you tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:55:56):
Can you let me get to them being unimpeded here
Sean Salisbury shall.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Let the celebration start?

Speaker 4 (01:56:06):
Or Sean Salisbury on Sports Talk seven.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
Ninety Hey, good morning, guys. Hope you guys are doing well.
We are as you're sitting here watching the draft.

Speaker 19 (01:56:17):
You know, I saw some of the things that you
were saying about the Texas may have traded down because
they didn't love someone. It may be a little bit
of it may be that, but it may be something else.
You know, how far back did they trade down? Ten spaces?
So what happens when you're looking at something like that
is if I trade down because I've got my seven,
six or seven guys that I'm looking at right now,

(01:56:40):
and everybody's not going to take three or four of
those guys at that same position, So I'm going to
be able to trade down.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
Because I like five guys because I.

Speaker 19 (01:56:50):
Know one of those guys are going to be there,
and I may get a chance to trade down, and
I may end up getting two of those guys and
I still got some draft capital with that. It may
not be that they didn't love somebody, but they may
have liked four or five guys and have an opportunity
to get two of them instead of just getting one guy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
But and my thing the draft like that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Yeah, Q. And then I guess for me, the depth
of the love like thing is I may not have
loved him in the first round, I liked him a lot,
but if I felt like I could trade seven or
eight away and still get him or two more for
him for trading, and I'm sitting at thirty four, and
now I love these guys in the second round, And

(01:57:32):
so to me, there is a difference. And I'm with
you one hundred percent. They may really like somebody at
twenty five, but not enough to say I love him
and get more value by getting two. And while I
may not like a guy with the eighteenth pick, I
may love that same guy with the thirty fourth pick,
and then I'm taking him. I just to me to

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me if if it's all things being equal, there's only
guys you like. I just there's a lot of guys
to like in the draft. But all things being equal,
who do I love? Who's gonna give me a better
chance to win? That's what I'm doing, right?

Speaker 19 (01:58:03):
Absolutely? Absolutely? Can I feel one hole? Or can I
feel two holes?

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
Right?

Speaker 19 (01:58:08):
Because when you're drafted the guy in the first round
in the second round, you're not drafting him to fill
a hole. You drafted him to be a starter, right,
And my rule was first round ten year starter and
second round of five year starter. And that was kind
of the way we looked at those guys, and so
that's kind of what you were looking at.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
And you you can really you could actually, I mean
you could actually love a guy or should I say,
like a guy a lot in the first round. And
then all of a sudden, you say, but man, think
about this, we made two second rounders. We have him
graded a lot higher than that we are if we
fell in love with them seven picks later because the

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value went up. And you're right, well, would you rather
have also this? Would you rather have two guys in
the second round that you love or a guy in
the first round that you like a lot. I'm taking
two guys in the second round that I love, especially
when you're talking about in the thirties because it's so
close to the first round. As you know, the difference
between the thirty second guy and the thirty eighth guy
ain't a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
Right, It's not a whole lot. It's a lot financially.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
Yeah, I'm talking about as talent wise, yes, exactly.

Speaker 19 (01:59:16):
Why absolutely, because there's no one, there's no one sitting
in those thirty two rooms right now saying that Will
Johnson is in the first round talent, but he's got.

Speaker 7 (01:59:23):
Some injury issues.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Yep.

Speaker 19 (01:59:24):
So sometimes you get that red line on the draft
board that says, do not draft before here. So you
made thirty two teams know he's a first round but
their thirty two doctors say, don't take that guy in
the first round. You can't do it because of that,
you know, And so some things like that happen. But
I don't you know, I didn't hear you guys earlier.
So I'm sure you talked about the big elephant in

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the room about the quarterback not getting picked. Yeah, And
but here's my thing with that, and Shawn. You know this,
and because we look at football little different than a
lot of people. Last year there was six first round
quarterbacks pick picked.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
Yeah, I think like five ors of them in the
first what twelve or so picks?

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
Right, So that means that those six don't need a quarterback.
They're not taking one.

Speaker 19 (02:00:07):
Okay, you already have ten, fourteen, eighteen starters that you're
not getting rid of right now. You only have four
or five teams every year that need a quarterback this year, Cleveland,
New Orleans, Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
Those are the three obvious choices.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
And the Giants have one two, the Giants, right, and
the Giants, but they got one now yep.

Speaker 19 (02:00:26):
So, and if you don't fit what they do, they're
not gonna take you. They're just not because you don't
fit their scheme. And I've been in draft rooms where
Randy MOUs.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
Didn't fit our scheme, but we didn't take him, which
is crazy. Okay, yeah, do.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
You feel like that guy shit any scheme?

Speaker 1 (02:00:42):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
Yeah? Yeah, absolutely right.

Speaker 19 (02:00:44):
You know, but we don't take the guy because you
don't fit a skip, doesn't fit the scheme. So now
you're sitting here where no one wants play quarterback in Cleveland,
although thirty two is one of thirty two teams, you know,
don't want to be there.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
New Orleans maybe with Car And you're sitting here with Pittsburgh.

Speaker 19 (02:01:00):
Pittsburgh is sitting there saying that they still have Aaron
Rodgers on the hook, that they want him, so.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
They may take him, they may not.

Speaker 19 (02:01:07):
Pittsburgh doesn't have a second round pick, which means they
got to give up something to go get him in
the second Cleveland's got a lot of picks at the top,
and then you have the Saints if he doesn't go there.

Speaker 1 (02:01:19):
Mike Brain tells me it's.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
The Rams as a late replace, as a guy for
three years down the line can replace Stafford.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
Absolutely, And who didn't the Rams trade back with Atlanta
and pick up some picks. Yep, yeah, there you go.
That's who I think would pick him. And you know
he does need to sit and watch and all that.

Speaker 13 (02:01:42):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (02:01:42):
The kid can play, the guy can play, but you
know it's got to be the right system.

Speaker 2 (02:01:48):
That's why Dabel, that's why Dabel took Jackson. Dark different
type of player, more like Josh Allen with legs and
arm you know, where Shadur is a pocket guy. Delivered
the ball under I should get hit, although he's got
some movement can extend it. But Jackson Dart's different. They
fit that scheme, and Q, you've just broke it down.
So now we're down to two teams. You're right, Oh,
these guys don't need one. These guys the scheme's different.

(02:02:12):
And then, and it's not just what people got, understand,
there's so many factors that come into it, and you
hit it. If your scheme doesn't match Randy Moss, then
we probably all need to change our scheme.

Speaker 1 (02:02:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
But you're exactly right. If you could pass on Randy Moss,
you could pass on she Dr Sanders if he doesn't
mix with what you're doing right in the building. So
I think Q is one hundred percent well he is.
He's been in front offices and he's coached and done
it all, and him and I do think alike. And
that's why I said to you a couple segments before,
I said, really, when you look at it, what do
we have four teams we're looking at a quarterback one

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of them didn't want they want a versatile guy, and
the Giants Cleveland's such a muddied situation anyway, it's awful,
but he may end up there. So you're down to
who the Saints listen car fifty they still if they
don't think Spencer Rattler is a guy he could be
at right, And then you know, obviously the Rams is
the sneaky one too, because during the draft last night,

(02:03:06):
I swear to you, when they got the Pittsburgh and
I was thought, there saw the Rams after you know
what I was thinking, would they draft Shadure California all
that stuff, the bright lights because Stafford, remember, there was
talk they gave Stafford to share they were thinking about
trading them. So he thought, okay, where they still love McVeigh,
love Stafford, they got a great relationship, right or two?

(02:03:29):
Logical not in the first round trade out to possibly
get him a little later on. No, rush, you got
a Hall of Fame quarterback, a Super Bowl champion, and
in two years and I'm going to tell you maybe
the best thing that could ever happen to Shador Sanders
is get under the Rams umbrella with that coach and
the way that they well, every assistant coach that's their

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ends up going on the offensive side of the ball,
ends up going getting a head coaching job. Imagine sneaky
wanted to keep an eye on because in truth, what
if Stafford, I mean Shader Sanders can play. He just
a lot of guys just didn't weren't ready for him
in the first round. That doesn't mean he can't play.

Speaker 6 (02:04:09):
And imagine telling your owner that our scheme didn't fit.
Sometimes convictions are stupid.

Speaker 2 (02:04:14):
Well, sometimes say, well it doesn't fit, So guess what
coordinator change our scheme a little bit there, Randy Mossel fit.
We'll put him wherever we can play in the parking
lot in Randy Moss's there. And think about this too. Okay,
let's say he gets drafted fortieth. I'm just I don't
care who's pig. Just so Sanders, that's fortieth man. Okay,
we only have thirty two first round because that's fortieth.

(02:04:35):
He's not a hack if he gets drafted there. Now,
the scary thing is of all of a sudden, Dart's
gone all a sudden, the Saints picking, they tad draft
should right. It's just I got to watch the clock.
I know, but there's so many different factors. Hell, if
somebody doesn't like him, he may be in the third round.
Maybe it's gonna be interesting. Second round is gonna even

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Speaker 6 (02:06:04):
Talk with our Sports Talk seven ninety NFL insider. He
also does work with KPRC Channel two. He is Aaron
Wilson and Aaron last night's I mean the Texans deciding
to trade out of the first round, I mean, was
it necessarily something that surprised you or did you catch
wind of it that it might be head in that direction, right?

Speaker 9 (02:06:24):
I did report in the days putting up, actually two
days before and then again hours before the draft, that
they were exploring trade back scenarios. They were prepared for
the possibility that Kelvin Banks Junior was going to go
in the top ten. And a couple hours before the draft,
I talked with David Mulligeta, the agent for Kelvin Banks

(02:06:44):
off of CJ. Stroud, and he said he thought that
the feeling for him was seven and the floor was
around twelve to thirteen. So he fell right there in
the middle. And you know, that's his job, because he's
going to talk to the general managers and you know, ask,
you know, okay, you would do you like my guy?
That kind of stuff, And then from there gleaned a
little bit of information just enough to be dangerous. But yeah,

(02:07:08):
I was not shocked by the trade back. I think
you can kind of hear it. Nick's boys a little
bit of mild frustration. Hey, he made earnest, good faith
efforts to trade up people didn't want to trade And
it's very true, like any business deal, you have to
have two to tango. And if they don't want to
do a deal and they prefer to pick well, I

(02:07:29):
mean that's their right. They don't have to do a
deal with you. It has to be very attractive to them.
And many cases you have to overpay. Just imagine what
he would have had to give up to go to
not just ninth but twelve for let's say Tyler Booker,
because you know that was another spot, but the Cowboys
picked Booker. He would have been a great Texan. But
you can't get everyone when you're picking that late. This

(02:07:51):
is part of the really the taste price of success.
When you are in the playoffs, you're just you're drafting
lower and it's more of a crapshoot on what you're
gonna get. And that's why the NFL intended this play.

Speaker 2 (02:08:04):
For the parody Aaron. Did they consider trading up for
somebody other than a big fella? I mean, were they
in line for a receiver or somebody or even a
tight end. Was there any talk of because Nick had
mentioned four or five trade scenarios that they were kind
of dabbling in. Was there anybody maybe a surprising one
or were they looking at a perimeter player if they

(02:08:26):
could have moved up and the price would have been right.

Speaker 9 (02:08:30):
Yeah, they didn't really get to involved in those things
in terms of like a Matthew Golden or looking at
I'm not gonna goga. They could have gotten those players.
There's ways they could have done it, and they didn't.
They were starting their trade stuff as far as moving
back when it was getting into the teams. So that's
right around with these receivers are going off the board. Yep,

(02:08:52):
there's comparable receivers that are still available. It's just not
quite the same sizzle. But you know, there's like Luther
Burden and guys like that. There's a lot of offensive linemen.
They're just not quite where those other guys are. And
I think ultimately, you know, one pick before then that
was really instructive of Donovan Jackson. I had been with

(02:09:13):
Donovan before the draft and a workout here in Houston.
He's Episcopal guy, and he thought the Vikings and the
Texans likes him the most, and he had a great
visit with the Texans on the final day. He can
host players and he had a good feeling about them,
and he was hoping to play for his hometown team.
But at twenty fourth. He just saw, like you know,
that that was what the vis usually wanted. They were

(02:09:34):
pretty interested in Jackson. I don't know that they've missed
out on like a great player. I think he's a
very good player, and usually it takes great to prompt
yourself to move. And this is a depth draft and
they've got so much draft capital today. If they pick
well today, they're going to set themselves up with some
future starters, I believe with the two second rounders and

(02:09:56):
the three third rounders. But yeah, it's a little boring obviously,
ain't that Colmactic did not have any player. And I
went to the draft party out there with the McNair's
over at George Brown and he and Randy K. Machol
over Donsky Television, and yeah, the fans are all excited.
They wanted it and it didn't happen. But that's part
of being at twenty fifth.

Speaker 2 (02:10:15):
Yeah, and you know what, Aaron I I liked what
Nick did. I do accumulate these and they didn't accumulate
him to get guys they didn't like or weren't in love.
Within these rounds. They got guys that they not only
assets to move if they have to. But guys that
they expect to play, as you mentioned second rounders, they
expect them to be starters at some point and and
and for that case, hell, they may end up being

(02:10:37):
ten year starters like they expect out of a first
round or so with that in the second round for
the second picks coming quickly. Still offensive line, yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:10:47):
I would go offensive line. And there's an offensive line
from the University of Minnesota, same as armante Urseri. He
did visit here at about nine other clubs. He was
the big toe offensive line in the year. But he's
a pure tackle. And that's a federation because they would
ideally like to have someone that can play guard. He's
just so tall, be very difficult for him to play guard.
He's massive. He's almost three forty, a big, strong guy.

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He did great against ab Duel Carter, and that's important.
You know, how do you block the best line? You know,
the best pass rushers. Another one is Anthony Belton from
North Carolina State, and he was a good player at
the Senior Bowl and he can kick inside. He's got
good knee men, he's got good mobility. He's not the
I guess the it's not a bodybuilding contest. He's a

(02:11:32):
big belly type of lineman, but he can move and
he's got a nasty streak. I watched a lot of
tape of him. He finishes. So there's some guys that
think about and then you get your pick of the
running backs. Both of the Buck guy running Max Traveon
Henderson and Quinchawn Judkins. They did a zoom with Henderson,
they did a visit official with Judkins, and they're good players.

(02:11:53):
I feel like a wide receiver, you gotta be look
careful about Luther Burden. There's some talk of diva stuff
with him and a little bit of entitlement, and his
production was down, so he might be one of those guys.

Speaker 1 (02:12:04):
Maybe you avoid him.

Speaker 9 (02:12:06):
You know, you don't want to have like a you know,
chemistry situation, because whoever they bring in as a receiver,
you're not the number one. It's Nico Collins and it's
Christian Kirk, so you got to be a complimentary guy.
I like Kyle Williams from Washington State. I think he
could really help them. He also visited. They've had a
high degree of interest in him throughout the draft process,
and those are some guys that I think makes sense

(02:12:28):
for the Texans that they've had some interest in.

Speaker 2 (02:12:30):
Do the Texans feel like they're pretty loaded on defense,
that there's not a big defensive priority anywhere in this
draft for them?

Speaker 3 (02:12:38):
Right?

Speaker 9 (02:12:38):
There are some value players, but they don't have to
get them, like Mike Greene, who's got some off field issues,
but he's very talented. From Marshall, you know, I think
that off ball lineback from LA would be a good
text in Carson's question, there are swarm kind of mentality,
but you don't need him. I think he's got to
get some of the needs. I know they talk about

(02:12:59):
best player available. I understand that, and you have to
say that, but you tilt everything for best available player
at your greatest need and you have to weigh, you know,
is there a better player later? But to me, yeah,
I mean they understand the value. I just look at
it like, are there potential guys that running back or
tight end to make you not want to go defense?

(02:13:23):
And sure there's Will Johnson's here, but how many corners
are you going to have? And you've got the two
studs already and Derek Stingins and your core laughter. I
think at some point you do have to look at
your depth chart. Depth chart to me says Union off
of Fliment. That perhaps helps now, and he helps even
more in the future. Someone with some upside and a

(02:13:44):
wide receiver that compliments those guys. I think tight end,
there are a bunch of good tight ends like Mason
Taylor of Milisu.

Speaker 7 (02:13:51):
He would help.

Speaker 9 (02:13:52):
I think at some point you're probably looking at is
this all the souls? If he doesn't play better this
is last year here, I think that that could have
and if he repeats last season, that third year of
the contract's not gonna not going to fulfill that one
in my opinion. But yeah, they've got to I think
get better at tight end. They need to get faster too.

(02:14:13):
They need some speed, and I think they could. He's
a speed wide receiver and running back Jayden Blue with
someone he's you know, from what it's worth. They told him,
or he told me. They said to him that they're
looking for a speedback to go with Joe Mixon. He's
a four to two five unofficial official four three eight.

(02:14:34):
He's very fast. He's been Kline Kaye's local guy did
do the visit here. Maybe someone like that, but I
don't think you have to do that in round so
he can get in round three.

Speaker 6 (02:14:44):
Yeah, and you know Aaron by the way, Aaron Wilson,
our own Sports Talk seven to ninety insider kPr C too,
And I mean you touched on a little bit with
some of those skill position guys. This is where I'm
going with it, Damian Pierce. I mean, is that kind
of signaling the end of him being with the Texan
with them going out getting bracks and barrios and maybe
even the tire kicking on some of the guys that
you just mentioned.

Speaker 9 (02:15:06):
I would say, yeah, I mean you have to think
about is he going to have a big role or
are they going to move on if they draft one
of those guys. I think he would still be on
the team, but his role could go down. He's a
good kickoff returner, but there are a lot of guys
that can return kicks like Burios, Elec, Tremon Smith, like

(02:15:27):
potentially some of these running bags and receivers were talking about.
But when I look at you know, Damian, you know
he doesn't have a big role anyway. I mean, Joe
Mixon is a workhorse. There's a couple of times where
like the Patriots game, he had the big run they
still like him. It's not like he's been disappointing in

(02:15:47):
the role. I thought he did enough to earn his
keep for sure. Last season it was solid. But they
just don't want to play another back that much. And
I think that, yeah, they're they're looking for the future
at some point. I think probably the best thing for
Damien it would be, you know, when it gets time
for a free agency to you know, look for a

(02:16:08):
new situation. But that's not like a knock on him.
He's done fine. It's just Jill makes some of a
different level.

Speaker 6 (02:16:15):
Yeah, no doubt about great stuff. Aaron, appreciate your time
and now you'll be back at it again to night.

Speaker 2 (02:16:20):
Appreciate you, Appreciate you guys all.

Speaker 6 (02:16:23):
I appreciate Aaron Wilson again our own seven ninety NFL
Insider also too with KPRC too. A lot of stuff
to digest from him. And you know, a couple of
names he threw out there I thought were pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:16:34):
Anthony C.

Speaker 6 (02:16:35):
There will get you in the conversation as well. As
we continue here nine o'clock hour, Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (02:16:43):
The Salisbury Show continues.

Speaker 6 (02:16:47):
That's a little bit more of a focus on the
skills and it's not just receiver. And I'm with them
on running back and tied end. I mean, you tell
me that second pick in the second round that Mason
Taylor is still there because I'm I'm out on Dalton Schultz.

Speaker 2 (02:17:05):
I'm done.

Speaker 6 (02:17:06):
Like it's you're not going to all of the sudden
get a career resurgence out of this guy. And you say,
oh man, a breakout guy at that spot. I feel
like Mason Taylor could be that guy.

Speaker 2 (02:17:15):
Let I tell you what the with the what do
they have? How many second rounders to two and then
three third rounders. I'm just telling you right now, if
in those five picks they gave me lineman on the
offensive side, probably your second round guy, a running back?
You get me, dude, I'm going to tell you right now.
I think Trayvon Henderson is going to be a beast

(02:17:37):
in the NFL. I think he's a football.

Speaker 6 (02:17:39):
Player and you can take carries off of Joe Mixon
and make him even better.

Speaker 2 (02:17:43):
I think he's a football player. Jesse, dude, now too sure?
Home run hitter? Yeah if you don't. If you want
to talk about guy can get to the edge and stuff.
You heard hi mention Jaden Blue. Yeah, and how about
you know remember when Detroit took Jamior gives anybody what's
he like? Well that there's nobody gets the edge fashion
that guy and he changed is the what we mean
is a sideline. A sideline, you're in trouble if that guy,

(02:18:03):
he'll turn the corner on the fastest of people. But
whether it's Judkins or whether it's Trevon Henderson, I'm just
telling you that those guys, if you draft one of
those in the second round along with alignment, and the
third round you give me a tight end, a receiver
and have at it with the other pick, I'm all in.
If you want to spot defensive player, fine, but I

(02:18:24):
told you that for me, that the entire focus for
the most part, and when I say entire most part,
the majority of the focus in this draft should be
on the offensive side of the ball. And if that
means two linemen, a running back, a receiver, and a
tight end with those five picks, I'm good. If you
don't sniff somebody till the later rounds. On defense, I'm good.

(02:18:45):
I think this defense is going to be as long
as they are healthy. There's always some ifs to go
with us with it. I think their top five defense
in the league. As long as their offense steps their
game up this year and doesn't keep them on the
field for eight million minutes, I do. But if I will,
I'll actually be surprised if you don't come out of
this second and third round without a running back, without

(02:19:08):
a wide receiver, without alignment. Give me the tight end
two and whatever you decide with the fifth pick that
you have in this first hundred. But I'm telling you
home run hitters. It'll make Joe mix it even better
to be able to spot. I'm telling you you'll find
a Jim Traveon Henderson. He will thump your ass and
they've got home run hitter speed and a tight end

(02:19:31):
that can't Schultz may need a push, Okay, he may
need to push. Go get a guy who you believe
in that is an in vogue position. And you know
how I feel about wide receiver to get greedy, and
then the offensive line show that up. Two linemen, a
running back, a tight end or receiver with these five picks,
and I'll be happy as a pig and crap. Don't

(02:19:52):
sleep on Jack Besh. Do not sleep on Jack Besh.
I'm not sleeping on any of them as long as
I offensive side of the ball. Let's get this dog
on the snowball, rolling pick after pick. Needed picks and
wanted picks and loved picks. But go on. If you
need a little depth on defense, fine, I'm telling you
the woes are on offense right now.

Speaker 6 (02:20:13):
And here's the thing, the method to Cassario's madness. Before
we get to you guys on the phones, think about
what's coming down the pike for this team where you've
got what two more years of Joe Mixon, so the
running back that could possibly be the guy that eventually
becomes your first and you draft another guy to back
him up a few years down the road. This coming year,
you're gonna have c J. Strout up for a contract extension.

(02:20:35):
You're signing him to a contract extension this next year
when we go to training camp.

Speaker 2 (02:20:39):
That's happening. Sure as you're born, Well, he's not gonna
want forty million.

Speaker 6 (02:20:43):
If you said that, brock perty what fifty three fifty
five two is?

Speaker 2 (02:20:46):
At fifty three? There was talk from a reliable source
they was saying that. And I believe this as much
as I like to. Who's had a better start to
their career. Tell me party. Yeah, I mean both of
them a little physically limited to it doesn't have a
great arm, but great accuracy when he's on time.

Speaker 6 (02:21:06):
What it should as opposed to what it is. What
it should be is it should be if you're the
forty nine No no, no production alone. I'm saying from
like it just like the talent level. Yeah it should
be too, But to your point, yeah, it's production and
party showing. He's pretty pretty mobile and he stayed on
the field. Fifty three million a year for TUA. If
you're Rock Purty, you're not taking a dime less than that.

Speaker 2 (02:21:28):
You shouldn't. You've been better. You're fifty five to sixty million.

Speaker 3 (02:21:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:21:31):
If you're CJ. Stroud, you're sixteen. Even though even though
the party's been in a Super Bowl and led him
to got him to the NFC Championship Game twice, he's
a good player, He's not Stroud. But the timing of
a contract doesn't always mean you're the best. It's just
the timing was perfect at a time when and Kyle
Shanahan and Lynch love Rock Purty. So when c J.

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Stroud's contract comes up, he's blinking his way to sixty million.
He's better than Prescott. Now, if he has a great
year this year, dude, Well, I'll put it to you
this way. If the Texans are right, if he has
a great year this year, you know, the highest paid
quarterback in the NFL is gonna berod.

Speaker 1 (02:22:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:22:11):
I may only last year until the next guy comes along,
but he he is going to bypass Prescott. If he doesn't,
and you're c J. Stroud and move toget his agent,
I'd sit there and say, not happening. Will Anderson Junior too,
I mean, he's another guy. So again there's a method
of the madness here. It's also it can be it

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can be tough on them too. When you've got great
players coming through, coming up contract wise and they're and
they're kicking ass. It's great problem to have because you're
they're on your team. But it's also two guys taking
up about ninety million. Think about that. Well, that's why
drafting well important year or eighty million a year between

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two players.

Speaker 6 (02:22:55):
Yeah, yeah, that's how you keep this thing rolling. I mean,
you can enjoy the toys now, but then once you
pay the quarterback in the top tier edge Rusher. Oh boy,
Anthony Arthur Jose will work you guys in and if
you want to join them. We got a few lines open.
Someone three two one two five seven ninety against someone
three two one two five seven ninety. We'll keep it
rolling here, Shawn Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 10 (02:23:18):
We're out there.

Speaker 6 (02:23:19):
The Shawn Salisbury Show continued. Anthony, appreciate your patience. Man,
Good morning, how you doing?

Speaker 20 (02:23:27):
Hey, good morning guys. Hey, I had a couple of
things I wanted to get to. If that's all right
with y'all, go for it. So I think, uh, my
guess is if he's there, that the Texans go tray
beyond Henderson with that first second round pick this evening.
And there's a guy. I'm a diehard Longhorns fan, so

(02:23:48):
I watch every single game Cameron Williams, offensive tackle for Texas.
They have him rated as like a late third, early
fourth round type of talent. I'm telling y'all right now,
the kid's a dog. And I think when you line
up across from SEC defensive lineman every single week and
you can start and sustain that, that that matters. And

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so I wouldn't really mind seeing the Texans maybe trade
into the fourth round or use a late third round
pick to grab him. But the draft always brings this
pet peeve out in me where you have the couch
potatoes that are like, oh, I can't believe they drafted him.

Speaker 1 (02:24:28):
This guy sucks.

Speaker 20 (02:24:30):
I'm telling like the guy on the end of the
NBA bench that's collecting dust that never sees the court
would go to a pickup game at LA Fitness and
scorch everybody, like, professional athletes don't suck. It just drives
me crazy to hear people say, oh, that guy sucks,
like I don't think the average person realizes the difference

(02:24:52):
between an average athlete and a professional athlete.

Speaker 2 (02:24:57):
You are in, Anthony, thanks for the call. I think
you're right on your points. It will not shock me
if Trayvon Henderson or a back like that's taken in
this round, in the second round, and as sure as hell,
won't shock me if they see the same things you
do in a dog who has to block guys like
that and say fourth round or maybe we use our
third round or on them. I don't know they're great

(02:25:17):
on him, and neither does anybody else or how they
feel about them. But as a guy. Obviously you do
because you watch every week, but you are one hundred
percent correct. Now I know a lot of it's hyperbluet
and say, oh he sucks. Here's what I know about
the draft. And this isn't to demean us or anybody
else that loves football but or watches it once in
a while but sits at home and you know, doesn't
play it or isn't doesn't talk to somebody, or it

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doesn't study tape.

Speaker 1 (02:25:41):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:25:41):
It is just for there the low moments that stand out.

Speaker 1 (02:25:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:25:46):
I love everybody's opinion on the banter, but it's hard
to meet to lend credence or respect. And I'll respect
the person, but if somebody is going to come on
say and I think its name value is the deal?
If they don't know the name some people you drafted
him yet thirty two teams or twenty five teams could

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have said, yeah, that's the second round pick and he's
a watching some kid from North Carolina that you've never
heard of. If you're a casual football fan, ah, that
guy sucks. Why didn't you take three or four guys
with a name?

Speaker 1 (02:26:18):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:26:20):
I will tell you this when you sit at home
and He's exactly right, Anthony, is about the suck the
tenth guy on the bench two years after his career
is over, or the junior college basketball player that started
but didn't go to the pros or Division I school
and quit playing basketball that you play at lifetime fitness.
He's destroying you. He is the pickup game I'm talking about.

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He is wearing out any of the guys who walked
off and are just over there Jim getting their sweat in.
But it's the same thing. Well, respect is important, you
just say, and Anthony, you just got to blow those
get the ones. Oh that guy sucks. Most of the
time when people say the guy sucks, they never seen
the guy play, but maybe on a Saturday on their
TV without doing a deep dive. That's why I said earlier.

(02:27:06):
If you're gonna tell me you don't like a player
but have never seen him play, I can read an
article two by somebody, and that person that wrote the
article is a journalist, just asking questions and doing the
same thing we do. So they don't know any more
deep dive than unless that the source gives it to
him like a head coach. So I respect. We got
called Andy. Now he watches it. I love listen to

(02:27:28):
their take. No, we don't always have to agree, but
he's right. The fact, oh you draft that guy. Most
of the time the word suck comes out of people's
mouth on a draft talk is because it's not name value.
They haven't looked deep into the talent. They've Oh Shuder Sanders,
A lot of these people have got a problem with it.
If you ask how many times you've seen him play? Well,

(02:27:48):
I saw him on some highlights. He's Dion's kid, not
that he can't play, but that's the thought. You didn't
draft him. They that Jackson Dark sucks. Did you watch him?
I would think that most of the time that the
evaluation of Brian Dable is better than yours and mine. Well,
because he's in the building and that's their guy. They've

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studied it, that's what they do for.

Speaker 6 (02:28:10):
A living, and it's to the highs and lows that
we were talking about. I mean, for Williams, if I'm
not mistaken, he was the one who got beat by
Sawyer for yours to get sacked, and Sawyer runs it back.
But I want to remind people too, that's a play
that when they were people but right, But when there
were people who were doing the JJ Watt pick. I
remember people said, oh he he got taken over by

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TCU in that game. I think we can agree that
JJ Watt became a pretty good player.

Speaker 2 (02:28:36):
Yeah, And like I said, it's a respecting I get.
And if you're watching all the time, he said, well
I watched this guy, and you make comparison, you can
give the reason. I'm all ears, but Anthony's right, Oh gosh,
they draft that guy suck.

Speaker 3 (02:28:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:28:46):
Most of the time when the suck word comes out
of a fan's mouth or something they haven't seen that
they don't know a lot deep dive about the way
the guy played. It's name values big on draft day,
right for for the average fan, like into, I don't
know that name, it was any good? He sucks. When
the pros as that there saying, you may know there's
guys in the first round, I guarantee you that ninety

(02:29:08):
five percent of the people have never seen play they
were drafted in the first fifteen picks. But that's okay.
The people who did see him player the one signed
in the paycheck. But yeah, the word suck comes out.
Sometimes you may have a sucky game right at a moment.
But yeah, there's once you put the uniform on, and
there's not a lot. Now, maybe compared to the next
guy he sucks, but not compared to the general public.

(02:29:29):
That guy that sucks on the basketball court is destroying
you at the local gym if he's not getting off
the bunch on his college team. It reminds me of
a few years ago.

Speaker 6 (02:29:36):
I was listening to a Saints postgame show and a
guy had called in saying that there were guys playing
innermural football at LSU that were better than I think
it was Tommy Lee Lewis as who they were talking about,
and the host immediately goes, they're not so I mean, yeah,
that's pretty much the same thing here is. I mean,
you know, people have bad games sometimes, you know, their

(02:29:57):
tape doesn't look great in certain situations, whatever it might be.
But yeah, if a team's taking them, they're taking them
because they have designs on that guy being somebody that
can contribute to that team, not because, ah, you know what,
we just felt like doing this because we want to
piss off our fan base, right right, Nobody you want
to piss off your fan base, you want to do
it out of spite and you might laugh at me

(02:30:18):
saying that, and you know of you know, doing things
out of spite, But trust me, I've been around organizations
that do things and then afterwards, Oh, you're not feeling
so bad about the pick, now, are you. My response is,
if you were really thinking about me when you were
making the picks, then you're really in the wrong headspace.
I gotta tell you.

Speaker 1 (02:30:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:30:35):
I put it this way. If the if the general public,
US and the media, d fans or fans are making
your picks for you because of social media, then you're
an excuse me, you're not long for that job. You
won't last. You can't because every decision you make will
be unpopular by somebody, every decision you makes on I'm

(02:30:56):
just telling you now, there are people in Tennessee that
are pissed that cam Ward was the pick. Despite your
best efforts. You're going to be disliked that. That's that
That's just gonna happen right now. There's a whole bunch
of people mad that the Giants fans that may have
wanted Sure instead of Jackson Dart. And then there's some
who don't care. They like Jackson Dart more. You cannot
it doesn't mean that they don't respect the man. Like

(02:31:18):
I said, you know, I think we got some really
bright callers and people who make good point. Because he
didn't play, it doesn't mean you have that your opinion
is not valid. Now the deep dive of if I'm
spinning a paycheck, I'm gonna go with Nick Saban probably
a little bit more than I would with Tripoli or
you or me. Right, he's seen the guy I think.
I think I think he can give him right. I

(02:31:39):
think he can give a good insight on James j
Jlen Milroe, how he's gonna If you want to know
how Milrow can be as a pro, talk to Saban.
He'd probably give you a decent idea of what you're
getting for the player that's good enough for me with
my study in his study and say, okay, two guys
like him or whatever. I'm good. But you're exactly right.
I'm not drafting players. Matter of fact, that's the time

(02:32:01):
you stay off social media a month or two before
the draft. Don't even talk about it or listen or read,
because the truth is, no matter the decision you make,
people are mad they trade out of the first round.
I get it because it wasn't sexy. But at the
end of this, if they do it the way Nick
has done it, you're gonna get five really decent players
and some really good ones as well.

Speaker 6 (02:32:19):
If you have to try to rationalize why you took
someone to me, or to a fan, or to anyone else,
then you are not confident in that you made.

Speaker 2 (02:32:29):
It's not a well we thought that we'd like this guy.
It's a here's why we drafted him. Here's why he's
gonna be a great player for us. I don't need
to qualify it. I sure don't need your approval, and
I definitely don't need your validation. If he's good, you'll
love me. If he sucks, we'll know it. See there's
that suck word. If he doesn't make the team, no,
I didn't. I So we all do it and it's listening.

(02:32:51):
You know. It's just kind of a play on words
and hyperbolic. But if a guy doesn't make your team, well,
don't you think that they drafted a fourth round in
the throw the draft fourth round they expect to make
the team that draft, and a guy to say, well,
we draft this guy in the fifth round, we plan
on cut his ass. Yeah, No, they drafted who they
thought at that point and the fifth round was the
best guy for him, and they'll do it. I think

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the second, third round. I'm all in on what they
did yesterday or last night. But yeah, uh, it's we
all have our hardcore opinion. But name value is big
for the fan. If you don't recognize the name, guy,
can't be a good player. Quite the opposite, Well, Darrel
Royal said it best you start listening to the fans.
Soon enough you're sitting with them. We've all been there,

(02:33:34):
and every coach that's ever coached has said there's been
a time when somebody's come up and said, hey, uh
you probably Nick Saven got fired from Cleveland and that's
exactly right. Or Bruce and he still talks about it
to this day. Belichick got fired. Yeah, oh yeah, he
got fired along the way. Somewhere along the way, somebody
told him you're not good enough, and you're like damn,

(02:33:55):
and you're like, he got fired. Yeah, they're all worthy
of Andy Reid from Philly, he's pretty good. At some
point in time, no offense, Matt Lafleur will be there.
They'll be coaching somewhere else more than likely, and they're good.
It happens, and even here, there may come a time
when when Demico Ryans is coaches somewhere else. We hope

(02:34:15):
that's not for thirty years. Yeah, would be nice. You
never know. So, yeah, it's a slippery slope. But you
draft to win, and you draft. You draft every guy
to make your team. For sure, that's how you do it.
The seventh round pick included. You're drafting him to make
your team.

Speaker 6 (02:34:30):
Although I would respect a GM that sits up there
and says, you know, that's a seventh rounder.

Speaker 2 (02:34:35):
I don't know. Hell, we'll probably cut him. Yeah, well yeah, yeah,
or s get up and say, oh, it was kind
of a throwaway pick. So if the guy's any good,
then it's just a blessing.

Speaker 1 (02:34:43):
He was there.

Speaker 2 (02:34:44):
What do you want from me again? You retired, And
it was a little long, and we had a tough
couple of days and we're excited about our picks. We
had to grab a kicker.

Speaker 7 (02:34:51):
Ye.

Speaker 6 (02:34:51):
It was kind of like you knuckleheats, you know, you
get to the end of your fantasy draft and you're
just kind of like Baltimore's defense, what the colors.

Speaker 2 (02:34:58):
Of his college uniform match ours. Let's draft he's an
LSU guy. I love LSU. So you know what we're
gonna go with that. That does exist though, because those
kid yourself, Bill Belichick love Nick Saban players well went
in doubt. In truth, well, there's three guys left on
the board. One went to Slippery Rock, one went to Auburn,
another one went to Alabama. And you got a relationship
with Nick who you think you're drafted? What happened here?

Speaker 6 (02:35:19):
Of course he did. It happened here with Colorado State.
It was like, hey, so and so Colorado State.

Speaker 2 (02:35:23):
Oh of course, listen, you get dad right down to it.
If I'm a head coach and I call up little
say Lincoln Riley and I are tight, and I called
him up and it's between him and u C l
A's guy, and I got him both great and the same.
Or maybe even the USC guy has stepped slower. What
do you think, Oh, Shan, he'll make your team give
me the trojan. So you're telling me that we play

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favorites late in the draft. Absolutely, you're telling me last
year when Nick Cassiria went to USC to you know,
check on Kaylan Bullock, he did not check with Lincoln
Riley because if Lincoln Riley said, Hey, you know, this
guy's a really good player, and be like, oh man,
maybe maybe we don't take this guy.

Speaker 6 (02:36:00):
Was about say, is that a dig on my trojans
to day? No, it's it's it's a fact, it's a
dig on.

Speaker 20 (02:36:05):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:36:06):
I'm not saying that Lincoln Riley has a blind spot
to defense, but I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:36:09):
Lincoln Riley might have a blind spot on defense. That
was one of those that they studied. Debiico studied the
tape of bullet and said, I don't care what Lincoln says.
That's the guy I taking. Said. Talk about validation. That's
where convictions do work out today. Listen, win in doubt.
Take the guy from your school late in the draft,
right there you go, because then you then you go
back on the campus like, oh you took him in
the seventh round. Yeah he made our team and he's

(02:36:30):
in the Pro Bowl. Yeah it's nice.

Speaker 6 (02:36:31):
Yeah, Yeah, bragging rights aren't that's for sure. Arthur c
right there will squeeze you in. And also if you
want to join him, you can do so. Seven one three, two,
one two five seven ninety Sean Salisbury Show continues next, Hey,
this is Charles Barker.

Speaker 2 (02:36:47):
You guys caught I put on some way since my
playing days. You shall see Sean Solisboro horrible. Now back
to the Sean Solersboro show. What a knucklehead. Arthur, Good morning,
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (02:37:02):
Good morning? How you doing, sir?

Speaker 2 (02:37:03):
Fantastic?

Speaker 21 (02:37:05):
Yeah, man, before I get to the draft, it's unfortunate
that what I predicted years ago came to fruition on
last night, and it could have been worse. Actually, with
John mort Son, you're you're not an ego. He's very
he doesn't control itself. He's out of control when he's

(02:37:29):
flying in the air trying to make these ducks. And
we saw what happened last night. But anyway, I digress.
The Texans, my goodness, man, this team desperately need a
need someone to protect CJ. We managed to get rid

(02:37:50):
of that headache such a migraine U and Laromie Thompson
and we move out of the first round instead of
trying to move up and at least drapped in one
of the local kids here from Houston.

Speaker 2 (02:38:08):
They did try to move up, my man, they just
I mean, you got to have the other team that
wants to give you the I mean work out of
the price. I mean if they try to hold you hostage.
I mean they did try to move up more than
once to get one of the alignment. It just in
the trade value. It's a free agency. You can just
pay the guy, but when it comes to trading, the
other person's got to want to play along. And it

(02:38:29):
just didn't work. So what do you do if the
if the trade partner doesn't want to play along.

Speaker 1 (02:38:34):
Absolutely, and I wasn't aware of that.

Speaker 7 (02:38:36):
Shun my bad.

Speaker 2 (02:38:39):
I understand.

Speaker 21 (02:38:40):
Yeah, I was hoping at least they got Donovan, but
it didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (02:38:43):
So we move on from that then.

Speaker 2 (02:38:45):
So yeah, but and you know, think about this, Arthur. No,
it's okay, I get it.

Speaker 1 (02:38:49):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (02:38:49):
It's hard to watch hour after hour and say, well
did they and you hear this stuff, But what happens
is think about this. So even though we all would
have liked to have seen that happen, because we know
that those needs. Now they got five in the first hundred,
so two in the second, three and the third. They
may very well find the guy that they thought was
a first round type guy, but they didn't love him

(02:39:09):
that they do love him in the second round. So
you may still you're gonna get alignment. You are, but
they just didn't feel a twenty five. They the one
that was there or who they loved, and they tried
to move up, but they didn't get a playing partner
because those other teams obviously wanted those guys and weren't
willing to budge on that. So hang in there, man,
you may get a guy you like here in the
second round. You're forgiving Arthur. It's all good. We all listen.

(02:39:31):
How many of us get up and go get a drink?
So oh they no, I didn't I miss the part
where they were trying to trade for something happens every day,
we all do it, so they're problem Martha.

Speaker 6 (02:39:39):
Thanks for the power goes out like it did right
before the first pick for me last night. It came
back for number two, so you go had that going
for us. He's Sean Triple, Emmanuel Elmore, Dan Matthews, by
the way, to come join me tomorrow. Cactus Cove six
Annual Crawfish Cookoff happening now.

Speaker 2 (02:39:53):
Yeah, I have a great weekend. I keep forgetting Today's Friday,
and good luck for the Texans. Go kick ass, Astros
continue rocket waltz into their building and open up a can.
And if you kick Raymond and the balls.

Speaker 6 (02:40:05):
That happens sometimes. Yeah, you know, who are we to,
who's counting? Let's have fun on Monday. We'll do that
in nighttime. Enjoy the weekend, sixty eight hours. We'll talk
to you right here. Sports Talk seven ninety