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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Salsbury. Oh, by Salisbury, Okay, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Shawn Salisbury to usc true longtime friend, Shawn Salisbury, Dan Matthews,
this is the Shawn Salsbury Show.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Astros and White Sox from Chicago fromer Valdez on the
Mound tonight for this series opener and Tyres Haliburton's dad
John agreeing not to attend games for the foreseeable future,
the Pacers basically telling him, yeah, hey, after what happened
with Jannis on the floor, uh, maybe it's not a
good idea for you to stick around for some time.
(00:45):
But as we just threw out the tweet at Sports Talk,
has seven ninety sewn a personal day for him. He's out,
so nice little three day weekend for Sean in that regard,
and he'll be back on Monday. So hopefully on Monday,
we are talking a Rockets Game seven.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
And even more.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
But you got to get to Game six first and
the Rockets, so we'll be on the for tonight against
the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
But as I threw out for.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The first couple of hours, Chris Gordy gonna be joining
us including right now.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Gordy, good morning, buddy.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well it's happening.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Dan, good to be on with you, and yes it
is a it's gonna be a busy weekend in the
sports world. We got, like you said, Rockets Warriors tonight,
you think what an eight tip central here? So it
be fun to see if the Rockets could find a way.
I almost feel like and when they went down three
to one, I almost felt like, all right, this series
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is over. You found a way to win Game five
and dominating fashion, So I know you don't want to
look at it this way, but almost look like you're
supposed to lose tonight. So I almost look at like
it has like go in there with nothing to lose,
just play your game and see.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
See what happens.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Well, And I feel like, if you find a way
to win this one, like you're gonna have all the
momentum and everything in your favorite coming back home for
a game seven.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I mean almost kind of in a way, and you
know I was gonna go somewhere else, But then once
you brought that last point, doesn't it almost kind of
feel like that Clippers series? What was that twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, I'm trying to remember which one that was
where you get the Corey Brewer and Josh Smith game,
which if I'm not mistaken, I think this is the
anniversary of it. So I mean you're able to win
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that one, and pretty much that felt like the backbreaker.
Like I there was no feeling in me going into
that Game seven on that Sunday where I was like,
the Rockets are gonna lose this game. Like I knew
the Rockets were gonna win that game. And I think
even the Clippers and their fans knew that they were
gonna win that game.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeah, that was the fourteen to fifteen season, and yeah,
they were down. They lost three out of the first
four in that series, and I'll never forget it was
you know, Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and those guys,
and it felt like they were going to go on
to their first you know, to the conference finals and
low and behold the Rockets you know, went our run
and they win. You know, they went three in a
(03:05):
row and fortunatehen we get stupid Golden State Warriors in
the Conference finals that year. But yeah, you're right, I
mean it felt like they went to LA and found
a way to win there. And ironically, I think that
Game six was the game Harden was not playing well.
Kevin McHale kept them on the bench, and that's where
you said, like Corey Brew and a lot of the
other guys were going off, and you know, there was
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a much to do made about oh my god, they
benched James Harden in the fourth quarter and and you
know he didn't play, and it was it was reminiscent
of the other night with Jalen.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Green got benched and didn't play. Sorry, you were playing great.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You know, we're gonna go with the other guys and
so yeah, man, it's it's gonna be fun. Let's see
who can step up tonight. We talked about it yesterday.
This Warriors team is they're older, man, they they they
starting to look a little bit tired. And who knows,
maybe they'll just go back to San Francisco and play
their best game of the of the series.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But for the Rockets, you've got that youthful.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Exuberance and you're young and and and go go out
there not afraid the Warriors though. I mean, this is
that stretch down. I remember early in the series we
were getting like three days off in between games. This
stretch has been play a game, have a day off,
play a game, have a day off, and you and
you have to travel as well. So you know, I
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wonder how much that it takes a toll on Jimmy Butler,
who's but he still is still hurting Steph Curry, who's
another year older. You know, I just wonder if that's
advantage a little bit more advantage Rockets.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Well, remember too, I mean Steph's got that bad thumbs,
So the Rockets have to be on the lookout for
that tonight.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, no doubt it. I don't know, man, We'll.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
See they don't have to be on the lookout for
his thumb tonight. That's the point that, like, it's just
all of this, like and I mean that's that's actually
another aside of all of this that we've had, of
many of the different, you know, side story lines of
this series. Is there a fan base Team Slash just
all encompassing of everything that bitches more than this team
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when all when all the success they've had, like when
they could kind of set the standard for hey, this
is how you win in this league, this is how
you're supposed to hatle your business. But I mean, you've
even got it to the point and we'll hear it
sometime here during a couple of hours that you're on
with me, Gordy, You've even got it to the point
where Stephen A. Smith is going on ESPN and saying
Steve Kerr is just too much.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah he is.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It's it's to me, It's not even the stuff he says,
it's just the self righteous attitude, like the the the arrogance.
And and again when you want as moneys many games as.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
He has, I guess you have a right to have
a little bit of arrogance.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
But it's almost just like I, you know, it comes
into the room knowing I'm better than you, mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And that's what I love more about Doka.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
So it's more blue collar, so much more, you know,
like and the team reflects that with the attitude of
we're gonna play hard nosed defense and we don't give
a damn who you are, you know. But but yeah,
the Warriors has just always kind of have that that
arrogance about them, but we know we're better than you,
and you know, it's fun to finally see there, you know,
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they're their quote unquote dynasty come to an end, I guess.
But then again, if they win this series and they
go on. I mean, they're you know, they're gonna play
a young Minnesota team that you know, maybe they they
could be too. So I don't know, maybe the dynasty's
not over, but certainly you would love to see the
Rockets win. But man, it just it's you look back
on the series and go, God, there's games three and
(06:39):
four out there. You know, Game three, let's slip away
in the fourth quarter, they just pulled away. But Game
four they you you had every opportunity, and particularly in
those final seconds. I mean, you have the ball down
one with thirteen seconds left and ching guns.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You know, shot just fell short.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, I mean, And I think that that's the other
part of this to Gordy is that I would have
to believe that the Rockets feeling with Game five was
get us back out there, like get it, because I
think they feel like they left money on the table,
Like they feel like they should have won one of
those two games they had Saturday.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
They let it.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Slip in the third quarter going into the fourth quarter,
and then you had, you know a couple of bad
sports during Game four where you don't start off the
game well, but you're able to make up for it.
You don't start off the third quarter well, but you're
able to make up for it and to your points.
I mean, you had a chance to win it late
in this game. I just I think that I'm hoping
more than thinking that this is the case that they
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unlocked something in game five of just saying we know
how we need to win this game, and it's being
much better on the offensive end and attack the basket.
Just You're a team that's known for physicality on both
ends of the floor, and I feel like at times
in this series, Gordy, where I'm just like, why are
you taking the mid range jumpers? Why are you settling
for the three point shot? Get to the basket. If
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you get an offensive foul, be damned. I don't care,
Like get to the basket.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, And that's that's been the matchup.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I mean that the shingouon Draymond matchup has been the
one this whole series that's been been open.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And you know that, you know, Shangoon's had good games.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I think this whole series, it feels like, so that's
the one big matchup.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It feels like, you know, you continue to expose.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But yeah, I mean the other part is they're leaving
guys open from three and you got to hit your threes.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You gotta kN act down.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Shots don't be discouraged if you know, if if they're
they're answering and they're hitting theirs, because you just feel
like you know the what you've done all serious. You
continue to leave the pajem Skis and the the Moses
Moodies open. You know that they're gonna hit some but
but hopefully not enough to kill you. It's it's the
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Steph Curries that'll kill you. So and Jimmy Butler. So
you know, I'm encouraged that these last two games, Fred
van Vliet has played very well. What was he eight
to twelve from three in game four and then four
to six last game from three, So hopefully Fred playoff.
Fred van Vliet continues to show up here, and if
he shows up tonight, Shingoon does what he does and
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maybe just get a little something out of Jalen Green.
I mean, that's that's been his disappearing act has not
been has not been great. But again, if all those
guys do do what they need to do tonight, certainly
no reason why they can't why they can't go in
there find a way to win and and and look,
I mean two of their losses you scored in the
you know, you scored eighty five in game one, you
(09:39):
scored ninety three in game three. Your wins just scored
one oh nine and one thirty one them.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Is there? You know one hundred plus is what it's
going to take to win tonight.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, And I mean for the longest time, it seemed like,
you know, and I joked about it with Sean the
other morning. That's you know, getting to that one oh
nine marker right there, because what was it. I think
game two the Rockets won one o nine to nine four,
I think, and then of course, you know, we get
them losing the other night one o nine to one
oh six, so that would be nice. And you mentioned
(10:08):
something about ima Udoka. I mean, you know, because we
like to do the coaching tree thing. And Steve Kerr
obviously is a Popovich guy, so is Emay. And it's
so funny Chris that like he I feel like I
May is the way that we wish those other two
guys would be, like just be like the winning speaks
for itself, you you know, coaching your team the way
(10:28):
you do and the results that you've gotten it speaks
for itself.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Why do you get involved in all the other stuff?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Man, Yeah, no doubt, but I mean that's just you know,
the team adapts the attitude of the coach and I
love you know. They try to ask Dylan Brooks the
other night about, oh, you know, they think that you're
trying to hit Steph Curry on the arm after you
deliver it, and he goes, whatever, man, he goes, We're
just we're playing basketball. Like, let's go like it's you know,
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don't don't feed into the you know where you feel
like you need to apologize. Well, I'm not trying to
do anything to it. No, just be unapologetic, go about
your business and let's play.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yep, that's what the Rockets are hoping we'll translate into
a win tonight. And also too, we'll get into some
astros here because the Lion's share of the Rockets talk,
we're gonna have even though that we're gonna go next Gordy,
the Lion's share of it, I'm gonna save for a
couple of hours we got with Jackson. Gatlin is gonna
be in studio with me from eight until ten, and
(11:27):
we'll be getting you ready for Game six tonight, But yeah,
we're gonna have a lot of Astros talk. I mean,
this seems like this weekend is a chance for them
to be able to not only make up ground, but
also to be able to get even further above five hundred,
because this White Sox team is downright bad. They are
eight and twenty three on the season. Both times you
(11:49):
faced him last year, he took two out of three
from them, So, I mean, you had a couple of
frustrating losses in there, but from ber Valdez. Gonna be
on the hill tonight against Cameron Are excuse me, Cannon
for the White Sox. So chance for the Astros to
be able to have a good weekend up there on
the South Side. But speaking of the Rockets, something you
(12:10):
just mentioned with Dylan Brooks, something else really stood out
to me the other night, Gordy, And that's where I
want to get things started this morning here on the
Sean Salisbury Show again. Chris Gordy going to be with
me for the first couple of hours. Jackson Gatlin of
the Locked On Rockets podcast going to be with us
for the final two hours of the show. But we're
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Speaker 3 (13:26):
I want to go back to a part in the
game where it was the foul on a men Thompson
and I think it was Gary Payton Junior who fouled him.
He got a little annoyed with them. He got a
little upset. He was about to go nose to nose
with them, and then you see, out of nowhere, Dylan
Brooks come in and he is the mediator right there.
He's the one pushing him away saying no, we're not
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doing it. And that stood out to me right there,
because we've seen all series long the Rockets were willing
to say, yeah, hey, you know what, Draymond will mix
it up with you. Hey, whoever else wants to try
to play with us, We're not backing down. We're not
going to do this. But I think he kind of
threw them off their game, like I think the Warriors
were doing that intentionally to say, this is a young team,
let's get them emotional, let's get them off their game
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by focusing on the things that don't really matter to
the overall conclusion of this that I almost wondered if
that was something that ima Udoka and his coaching staff
had addressed with this team of saying, hey, look, don't
back down from a fight. I get it, we're not
going to get punked, but at the same time, we're
not going to get into useless where you know, situations
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where we can get a technical foul we can get
a flagrant foul whatever it might be, and it hurts
us when we're trying to keep our season alive.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
That's you know, I'm in tomson In post came out
and I was laughing about it, you know, saying it's ironic.
Of all people, the guy pulling me back was Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You know. It's. Look, he has been he has been
mature at times. You know.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Obviously he still will get in to it and pick
up files and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
But you gotta have to have that attitude.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
You gotta have that attitude of you got to be smart,
but you also want to send the message to them
that that hey, we're not backing down where we came
here to play. Look, Draymond can't affect the game like
he used to, So one of the few ways he
can still affect the game is by head Games is
getting into your head and making you, you know, getting
you feel a little testy, so it takes your mind
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out of you know, out of game mode, and you
know you're less focused because you're worried about him and
getting chippy with them and all this kind of stuff,
as opposed to making your shots. So yeah, I look,
Dylan Brooks's has been very good this series, just in
terms of doing a little bit of everything. So yeah,
you just got to keep cooler heads have to prevail
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because would not shock me, Dan if we had another
dust up tonight. It feels like every game we've had
a little bit of a dust up at some point.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Oh, absolutely we will. I mean, it's it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It almost is like one of those things that it's
like you buy a new house, well, you know, comes
with the furniture.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's here like that.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
That's this series, like it is at least one time
that there is a loose ball, somebody maybe you know,
edges somebody out for it and pushes them to the ground.
So then they get up, they're upset about it, they
start getting into all these things. But I mean, it's
been something that I've talked about even before this series,
you know, Gordy, that I feel like that has been
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something that has worked against the Rockets at times. I mean,
remember the couple of times they lost out in Sacramento
this year. Those things happened, and maybe Sacramento was able
to get away with a little bit more physicality than
they were so then that frustration boiled over into the referees,
and then people get thrown out of the game, and
the moral of the story is you end up losing
those games. So I just I think that of all
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the things, and you know, we've talked about the great
adjustments made by Steve Kerr, that I think is the
greatest adjustment made by this Rockets coaching staff of saying
we have played ourselves out of games by just emotional,
just you know, making bad decisions on the floor that
not only hurt us fundamentally, but also can hurt your team,
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i e. Foul trouble, you know, guys being at risk
of being thrown out of the game, all of those
different things.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Well, I was just reading a great piece of literature
up at ESPN dot com, an article title titled Warriors
Irked as Rockets take aim at Curry's injured thumb.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Oh my God, by a.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Great a great writer by the name of oum Ohm.
Never heard of him, but anyway, it's it's, you know,
it's it's all this one sided thing about, oh my god,
can you believe this dirty ass Rockets team They're just
they're trying to hurt Steph Curry and they know his
thumb's hurt, so they're going after that thumb. It's like
Dylan Brook said it. He's like, if I if you
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knew I had a bum ankle, and I'll playing on
the bum ankle. Guess what You're gonna try to test
me on that ankle? Right, Like, it's just so oh
ridiculous how it becomes It's like always the stars. It's
like Lebron and Steph Curry must protect them at all costs.
And oh my god, he's playing through injury. How dare
you try to, you know, make it worse? Oh my god,
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Like get out of here. I just I hate this CRD.
This is when the when the national media writes this
kind of crap, it makes me Rockets please go win
this series, Please just go stick it to them.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And and and you know, it's just it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well, I mean I said it yesterday and I responded
to someone Grace as a matter of fact, on Twitter.
Self awareness is a skill, Gordy. And you know, as
we continue to uh, you know, go through life, I
think we realize on social media and sports wherever it
might be, that there are people who who lack such
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skill and I think President Company is included.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, I'm just gonna like, if the if the Rockets
win tonight, I'm just gonna start to I'm gonna write
stories and put them out there, just making the Rockets
out to be the victim, like Rockets overcome treacherous ways
of Warriors. You know, like just it's just absolutely ridiculous.
How you know the ESPN folks, I mean, let's be
real on a on a on a week Dan where
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we just saw Lebron and Luca and the Lakers eliminated.
You know, we'll see what happens with the Clippers and Nuggets.
They're going to a game seven. But you know, it's
it's just like you gotta wonder if the NBA, at
least sitting up there in our offices are rooting for
the Warriors, because they start to look around and go,
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oh my god, we could have a Thunder team, you know,
from Oklahoma City. We could have a Calvs team from Cleveland.
We have a Rockets team that nobody knows that they're
players nationally, like, this could be a disaster for NBA ratings,
which is the dumb way to think about it, because hey,
this is how you develop new superstars. This is how
a guy like Albert Chagun becomes a household name because
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more people see and that sort of thing. Instead, we
got to rest on the laurels of our superstars already.
And oh man, you know, can you imagine if we
get Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler to go on a run,
here be ratings, you know, greatness for us.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So I don't know, I don't think.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
You know, I'm not gonna go full conspiracy theory and
think that they're gonna get every foul call and all
that and that the fix is in. But you certainly
know that NBA office is rooting for the Warriors to advance.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Well, I mean, at the same time, it was one
of those concerns that maybe you could have a Tony
Brothers game tonight. But the good news is on that
Sean or Sean Gordy is that it's not going to
be Tony Brothers tonight because he Ed molloy and I
forget the other two officials were on the game last
night for the Knicks and Detroit. So you want to
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make sure that New York moves on to the next round.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Can I add to Dan man?
Speaker 8 (20:56):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
What's what's my guy?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Kate Cunningham really good and there's another universe where the
Pistons a couple of years ago go Jalen Green number
one and Kate Cunningham goes number two. The Houston Rockets
cade was awesome this whole series against the Knicks. I
know they lost, but my gosh, I mean in the
twenties and thirties, every night, no single digit performances, like
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Jalen Green.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Said, yeah, what could have been?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That is for sure on that, but I mean, look,
you know he he walked so a men Thompson could fly,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
So we're still waiting for Jabari Smith to fly as well.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Now, I mean, look, you know it's funny you mentioned
that because I feel like in this series, Gordy he's
kind of taking a step forward offensively, Like I feel
like we're seeing much more of a confident guy out
there shooting the basketball.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
We are, but just remember, like we're talking about him
as a guy that was, you know, top top five
in the draft, Like that's that's the thing when you
talk about Shingon.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I'm sorry, that's too good.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
But Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, you know, a'm and Thompson,
and I mean even throw Reed Shepherd in there for
argument's sake. I mean, these were all guys that you
got in the top five of the draft, that you
know you draft to guy top five. The expectations are
your borderline superstar, if not superstar by your three or
four in the league.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
And that's why I think you have a lot of
people wondering how much longer Jalen Green is for this
Rockets roster. But I guess we'll have those questions asked
and answered during the off season. But we're not to
the offseason yet, Gordy, so we don't have to ask
or answer those right now. But coming up next, let's
get into a little bit about Astro's discussion, because yesterday
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this guy was a hot topic of conversation here on
the show, and we get to see him showcased this weekend.
We'll get into some strows here on The Sean Salisbury
Show again. Chris Gordy in for Sean for the first
couple of hours. Jackson Gatlin going to be joining us
here for the final two hours of the show. As
we continue here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
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Speaker 7 (24:08):
I had to live there for the Sean Salisbury Show, continued.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Gordy.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I don't know if the Astros could set up their
pitching any better against the team who again is not
very good in the Chicago White Sox. They're kind of
mired in that like early twenty tens that the Astros
were in, and we'll see if it pays off for
them like it did the Astros. I mean, I think
a lot of people look at what they did with
the reset with Ed Wade at the beginning, but then
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Jeff Luno of Trade Away bottom this thing out and
then start to see, oh hey there's Carlos Korea, Oh
hey there's George Springer.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Oh hey, there's a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Guys that can really be a great core for you
and keep you going deep into the postseason for some time.
But I mean, this is a Stro's team that you
would like to see them take care of business this weekend.
I mean, is it too hard to ask? Wore a
sweep in this series, especially when you factor in you're
facing a team that is as lowly as the White
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Sox and has eight wins.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I think it's hard to ask for sweep on anybody,
just because this Asters team has just shown that they're
consistently inconsistent at times. So you know, it's it wouldn't
shock you to go out there and see Jonathan Cannon
throw a you know, a complete game shutout or something stupid.
I remember last year he went that was June of
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last year. He went up against Disastros team and nearly
did nearly did pitch it a complete shutout. He went
eight and two thirds, I want to say, give up
a couple hits in the ninth and they had to
pull him. And the White Sox won two nothing against
this Area Astros team now again, different looking lineup, No
Kyle Tucker now Alex Bregman and Tesak Paratus and Christian
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Walker and others. But yeah, they I remind you, this
was just under a year ago Jonathan Cannon eight two
third shutout innings against you, so it can happen again.
So uh, but yeah, it's it's just good to look
up and see from Berveldes going tonight, Hunter Brown on
Saturday at Your at Your Ace, and then just still
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so weird to look up and see mccullor's junior listed
as the starter on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Good, Like I said yesterday on the show with you guys,
like it's it's a good thing if you're an Astros fan,
Like I understand people being the cynics and going, oh God,
is he gonna get hurt again and all this kind
of stuff, but understand why it's mccolors comes back and
he is awesome or or just really good. That is
great for the Astros. Like you know that we we
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did the a g AJ blue Box Spearman on Wednesday
that didn't go well. But you know, you you will
have a bevy of pitching, could you expect expect Spencer
Arraghetty as soon as that thumb heels. You know, he's
gonna start working his way back. You know, we'll see
what happens with Luis Garcia.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I know.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Shawn asked Dana about it on Wednesday. Dana said they
believe Luis Garcia will pitch at at some point this season.
Christian Haveer, I think is a long shot. I don't
think he'll be back. You know, we'll see on JP Frantz.
You know, I was told a couple, you know, during
spring training they think maybe around All Star Break around
there he could be back. But my point being, you'll
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have a little bit not an embarrassment of riches, but
a lot of good arms that you can rely on.
And so that's that's where it's like, if you're an
Astros fan, you hope for.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Lance what colors you and you're to get back to
his whole form.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
No, you definitely do.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
And I mean, you know, that's where I kind of
wanted to take the conversation here of this is a
guy that hasn't pitched in over two years, because the
last time we saw him was Game three of the
twenty twenty two World Series. Clearly that didn't go well
that night, but then the rest of the series did,
so that was good. But I mean, you know, he's
been about mid nineties. The other stuff has looked good.
He's pitched well enough down in the minors during this
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time to kind of get him ready for this. That's
I mean, I've got to believe that to everything that
we just talked about, where you have to wonder about
longevity with him, that it is going to be continued.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Slow and steady is the race.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Like it would not shock me if on Sunday, Gordy
we see him go maybe four innings and then you
see Logan van Wi get a couple of innings in there.
You know, who knows, maybe even do you kind of,
you know, use it as a pseudo bullpen day for
Ryan Gusto to get him an inning or so, just
to kind of get him on track. I mean, you know,
just all of these different things to kind of, you know,
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go sort of a bullpen game on Sunday. But I
just don't really envision them going it for one hundred
pitches the very first time out and just thinking, hey,
he's fully back. We're just gonna go with this. They're
they're trying to build this guy up.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, no, I would not.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
You know, I'd say five innings would be great you
can get If you get five strong innings out of him,
you take that, you know, is into the fifth maybe
more realistic, he gets through four and you know, the
pitch count is in the seventies and they start to go, Okay, Lance,
that's good, that's good enough for your first time back out.
I don't know, because he's looked he's looked good in
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these minor league reups starts, So yeah, I think you're
just gonna roll him out there and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
If he if he gets behind.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
And counts and the nerves are working, he works a
couple of walks, and we comes out of the first
stating throwing twenty three pitches.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, he's not going to be very long on you know,
on the day.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
But you know, like I said, I'm just excited that
he's going to be back out there. I mean, Dan,
it's you go back to. It was November of twenty
twenty two in Philadelphia, game game five, I want to
say World Series Game four, game five, whatever it was
of the World Series out there Philadelphia, and man, just
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crazy to think that that's how long it has been
since the last pitch. We need we need to go
back and look up, like, well, what was the top
song in the country and all that last time lansm
of colors now for a competitive start for the Houston Astros.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'll look that up during the break. But it was
game three, because I remember the Astros had just evened
up the series, and then they went up there and
they gave up two in the first, two in the second,
and then three in the fifth and lost that game.
And they weren't able to put together any sort of
offense against Ranger Suarez and the Phillies pitching that night.
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And then remember too, that was the Michael Brantley famous
speech in the clubhouse of just really didn't see any
fight out of you guys, what the hell's wrong with you?
And then Game four, Christian Javier and company go out
there and oh, no big deal, they just no hit him.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, just just go do that again. Lance.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Well, Lance wasn't good that that serious. But nonetheless, I
think right before that they beat just beat the Yankees
right in ALCS and and Lance was was very good
in that series and needed I mean, I remember he
battled like he was just trying to get out on
Thatanes lineup and they were just battling and Black battling,
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Aaron Judge and all those guys.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I remember talking about to him.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
After the game, you know, when they when they won
the series, and he was just like relieved.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
He's like, God, I just need to get through that.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
But then yeah, Phillies got after the Phillies had an
incredible lineup too, So I get it was hard, but
that's that's just wild to think that that's the last time.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Last week Colors pitched.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Anti Hero was the number one song on November the first,
twenty twenty two. That was when Game three was so
Taylor Swift one way or another, she weaves her way
in some some sort of way into the conversation Gordy.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, was she even dating Travis Kelsey?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Then that was pre t K, That that was before
Travis Kelsey. It might have even been later on in
that season, I think, you know, because remember I think
it was Jarrett Payton Junior that got the video of
them both walking in the hallways there at Arrowhead Stadium,
and Travis Kelcey kind of gave that weird look like
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it like some people kind of looked at it as
you know, hey, I don't want to be videoed or like,
oh man, this this guy like seems like he's in
a situation he doesn't want to be in.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
When you said pre t K, I was like, I
just I heard no, no.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Not not Todd Kellis. No, I'm a cup man here.
I don't need Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Hey, Blumber. When do we get our day of the year.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah, Julia, you got your day of the year over
at Houston City Hall, at.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Julia Morales Day. I didn't think we would see the day.
Congrats to Julia.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
That's the best. You get a key to the city
or something.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I mean, I know she got a proclamation and there
was something else that was mandated by the city that
I guess people had to address her as so like
I don't know, like is there like kind of like
a like almost if you have your own day here
in the City of Houston, it's it's it's equivalent to
being knighted by the British royal family.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
I'm gonna make a prediction, Dan, you put in ten
twelve more years on these airwaves, we will get a
Dan Matthews day.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Let's go, let's go, and hey, I mean I've already
got a build in if you know. Even before that,
my parents did go to law school with our fair
Mayor John Whitmyer.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
My dad told me that. I was like, what do
you need to tell me?
Speaker 9 (33:24):
That?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Sooner I would have introduced myself to him and said, hey,
by the way, do you want me to make you
feel old. I'm about to turn forty and my parents
went to law school with you.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I'll make a prediction.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
The year is twenty forty and Houston Mayor JJ Watt Honorstan.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Matthews for Dan Matthews Day in History.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
How about that? How about that?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I'd be all about it, and especially to JJ's a
great guy. You know, it'd be good to see him again.
You know, I did have a chance to see him
a couple of years ago when he had his number
retired by the Texans, and he seemed to remember me.
So I mean, I guess I left some sort of
an indelible mark on his life.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
What you don't want to be remembered for is you
walk up and then you see the guy's eyes rolling me. Yeah,
I remember you.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
What you saying?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I remember you?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
And this might be some inside baseball for some people,
But there was a guy on the ticket up in
Dallas who used to do nineteen twenties reporter. His name
was Scoops Callahan, and he tried to get Peyton Manning
one time after the Broncos played against the Cowboys. And
he's doing his whole Hey Champ camp Champ, maybe we
can play some of it for you. But Peyton Manning,
just like from the podium, starts pointing down at him
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and goes, I remember this guy from last time, You're
not gonna get me again. And that was pretty much
the end of Scoops Callahan at that point. Last time
I was up there, I asked if Scoops was there,
and they said rip Scoops, Like he's not done, he
just was no longer with the company.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
That was that was the greatest. I'd love to hear
him make an appearance. They would be like in the
middle of his Rockets Warriors series and he'd be like,
tamp Tamp, I have to give him the Rathma task
to those Windy City skyscrapers, Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Well, you know what we need to do is we
need to try to find him somewhere out there. And
if it does get to a Game seven, I mean
I think that somehow we have him infiltrate the Warriors
press availability to get Draymond, to get you know, Steve Kerr.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I'll leave Curry out of this.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I actually kind of like Steph Curry, but the other
two their fair game. Pat Spencer discount Joe Flacco absolutely,
definitely him.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
As much as I hate Steph Curry, I've talked to
multiple people behind the scenes who are like, he's a
really good dude. Like he stops to like he'll do
he'll do stuff for kids, he'll stop to sign autographs.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
It's like, as much as.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
You hate it, and I cannot stand him when when
he hits those ridiculous falling away threes that have no
business going in. But yes, everything everybody talked to you
behind the scenes like, no, as much as much as
you want to hate him, he's actually a really good dude.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I mean I think that, you know, we have sports
hate for him, which is which is different. I mean,
it's for different reasons. It's just because oh it's that
damn guy again. God, he just does it to us
every single time. But hopefully he doesn't do it two
more times because if he doesn't, well, then that means
the Rockets move on. But we'll continue the Rockets conversation
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also some astros here as we continue here on the
Seawan Salisbury Show. But let's keep the baseball conversation going, Gordy,
because other teams in the AO West, right, now it's
not going well, and we'll discuss that here on the
Sewn Salisbury Show.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
The Sean Salisbury Show continues to continue.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
They just are up to three out of four to
the Oakland A's and as is usually the case, whenever
you know, the Astros lose a game and you see
the you know, final score graphic go up, and you'll
start to see the responses. Of course, if they love
a bunch of guys on bas you start to see
people who start yelling about Alexon, Tron and Troy snicker.
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And then if they lose a close one because I
don't know, maybe Brian bray U's eighth inning didn't go well,
or Josh Hater in the ninth it didn't go well,
which hasn't happened this year, knock on wood, but all
of those things, and you get those people weighing in.
But then you also get a slew of Ranger fans who,
even though it has nothing to do with them, they
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still like to weigh in on the fact the Astros loss.
But then they'll try to tell you, oh, the Astros
aren't rent free in our heads. Well, then why are
you commenting on a post that has nothing to do
with you like, I don't get it. But they also
do it to their own team. So they lose yesterday
three to nothing to the A's, there to drop three
or four in the series. And you get responses like
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this from a guy named Cole who posts a screen
grab of a YouTube video how to hit a baseball
step by step, and the guy who's swinging the bat
at a ball on a tee has a certain around
him with an arrow pointing to him from a Ranger's logo,
and another guy saying that if season tickets, I will
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never watch this team ever again. They have been completely
ass since they won the World Series a couple of
years ago. It's gotten to their heads. Let's see, no
worries the well, this is obviously a Bay Area fan,
No worries. The Rangers were just beat by the AOS
champs and the A's are gonna be better, but they're
not going to be that good.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
But it gets even worse.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I mean, we're complaining about Christian Walker around here in
his start, how about Jake Berger getting demoted to Triple
A with the Rangers.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Things are not going well.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Yeah, they've lost what seventh of their last ten and
not going well yeah, they I think it was what
mid April they swept the Angels that ever since then
series lost to the Dodgers, no harm in that, but
then series lost to Oakland or whatever they're called Sacramento.
Days lost, lost two out of three of the A's,
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lost two out of three of the Giants, and then
just lost three out of four to the A's.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, it's it's not going great, and they're you know,
they're pitching.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
It has been it's been okay, but look look at
the games. They've been losing one nothing, three nothing, three
to two, three to.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Two, two to one.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Seems a little bit like the Astros last last April
when it was like offense was just hard to come by.
And so yeah, they're going they're going through it. Nobody
is gonna feel bad for them. The Angels, they've lost
six in a row now, so they're remember I think
I said a week ago it is like the Al
West was very tight, like nobody could get any separation.
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We're starting to see a little separation at least with
the Angels falling, you know, to losing six in a row.
Now they're kind of falling back, you know, to the
back of the pack. Here, and it's starting to feel
like it's a Mariners Astros race, Rangers falling behind a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
A's hanging around.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Man, I don't know, you know, they're just Brett Rooker
and and you know, the young pieces that they have.
They've been in some games, but I just feel like
they're due to fall back at some point as well.
And this will probably be a two horse race the
rest of the season between Seattle and Houston.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, you can't count out Lawrence Butler. He's pretty strong.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Another guy who has already changed his Twitter name in
the responses to fire Chris Young. Now that's something we
can all get on board with.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I guess, so no, keep him.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I want him staying there and aggressively overspending on guys.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah, continue to do that and then continue to complain
about beat writers who had nothing to do with how
Twitter handled itself during that time, and then go on
a radio show complaining about it and you know, doing
all the things that he did.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
What a clown? Like Like seriously, what what?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Just an absolute oh we're the victims here, clown. And
I guess it helped him in the ALCS according to
their fan base. But whatever, it's it's a joke organization.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
It was crazy, dan Is, you know the fact you
just took two out of three against the Tigers. Look,
it would have been nice to get the sweet but
you take the series victory. But the Tigers still lead
the American League. The Mariners are one game behind them,
and then the Yankees have not been They they're five
and five in their last ten, like they haven't been
doing the damage that people thought they were gonna do,
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you know, at the start of the year. And then the
Guardians they've won three in a row, so they're just
ahead of the Astros. But all said, Astros, you're only
three games back of the best record in the American
League right now. So this thing, if you can start
getting a little bit of a hot streak and start
you know, winning series after series after series, which the
schedule kind of sets up that way with Chicago, Milwaukee,
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the Reds, the Royals, the Rangers, Like, you got a
chance to run off a bunch of wins here the
next couple of weeks. We could be talking about, you know,
getting into too late may saying the Astros are right
there in the thick of you know, best record in
the American League.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
And you mentioned the Angels. Things getting even worse, especially
for Mike Trout. He'd leave the game yesterday with I believe, discomfort.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
In his knee.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
They called it a precautionary move, but I mean, you
look at that guy and you're just like, man, this
guy just can't catch a break.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Dude, he is Derek Rose.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
It's it's what could have been, like the great were
the greatest players of all time that just couldn't stay healthy.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yep, it's been it's been rough.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
But you know, we don't necessarily have anything against the Angels,
I mean, especially Mike Trout, but you know, definitely not
huge fans of the team up north from US here,
and even though they seemingly pay more close attention to
the Astros than their own team at times, it's okay,
it's fine. I mean, look, you know, one team does
it the right way and then you do it your way.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
They still have the coked out managers still Aric.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I think that was alleged. I think I think I
think that was alleged. But he definitely will smoke a
heater on you. That was one thing when he was
the third base coach of the Braves. It was one
of those things that no matter how early you got
there to the spring training facility in Florida, you always
saw this orange ember off in the distance and you'd say, oh, hey,
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that's Wash. He'd be out there having his morning smoke.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
By the way, it's real. It's a Yahoo story from
twenty ten. Ron Washington reflects on his cocaine use. And
here's another story from Washington Post. Washington tested positive for
cocaine during the two thousand and nine season. So yes,
you can say, you don't even have to put a ledge.
You could say confirmed cocaine user.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Ron Washington.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
There you go, all right, well fair, they test managers.
I guess you're an employee. I guess you have to be.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I guess. So it's not going well there though. With
the Angels, who could have seen that.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Look, that was so funny when they did that, because
it was like it was everybody was having the resurgence.
It was like Dusty Baker with the Astros wins the
World Series. Bruce Bochie goes to the Rangers and obviously
he wins the World Series. So it was like the
Angels like, oh, yeah, this is a new trend. Go
higher the old guy. Yeah, that's not gonna work out
for Angels.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, No longer hire the young binder dorks that you know,
maybe played a little bit of minor league baseball.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
You go, you go get the grizzled veteran. You go
get the guy that that will rely a little bit
more on feel and well.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Worked out well for the Astros, for sure, but for
some other teams it has not worked out all that well.
While I've got Gordy here, you know, we got to
get into a little bit of college football, even though
we're a few months away. Because Gordy, I feel like
when it comes to arch Manning, there's a group of
people who I think are handling him the wrong way,
but an individual who I think is handling him the
right way. We'll discuss that as we start seven o'clock
(44:33):
hour here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
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Speaker 11 (44:49):
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let's do this.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
Shawn Salisbury.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
To usc true longtime friend Shawn Salisbury.
Speaker 7 (45:08):
Dan Matthewscuse.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
This is the Seawan Salsbury Show, Heavy Rockets, for the
final couple hours of the show today, speaking of those
Rockets Game six tonight against the Warriors out in San Francisco.
Rockets trying to force a Game seven on Sunday Astros
(45:31):
or in Chicago taking on the White Sox. That will
be five thirty coming your way for Astros on deck,
leading you up to the Stros and the Socks to
start that series. But Gordy, as I mentioned, you're a
big college football guy, and we are at the moment
I think exactly four months away. Maybe a couple of
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days ago, it was exactly four months away from kickoff
to the college football season. It can't get here soon enough,
I guess, is the easy way to say it. I
am ready for Saturdays again. Thursday night. They've kind of
yielded to the NFL. It's no longer a huge deal
to maybe have a major ranked matchup that night. Maybe
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you'll get one every once in a while, but for
the most part, that's gone away.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
But already the arch manning hype train.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Immediately after Quinn Yours announced that he was going to
the NFL, it ramped up even more of people having
him as Heisman favorites or you know, even their top
ten quarterbacks in college football list.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
Having him as either number one.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Or at the top, which when I see some of those,
I was just like, Guys, he hasn't thrown an honest
pass in a game yet. He has not started a
game yet. He has not had any time with the receivers, who,
by the way, were not really that great last year, Gordy,
and they're gonna be even less. They're gonna be even
worse this year without Matthew Golden and Isaiah Bond and
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some of the other guys, Jayden Blue, even in the
backfield not there, some offensive linemen not there this year.
I mean, I get how sark is recruited, But where
I'm going with this is it just feels like people
do this all the time of the backup quarterback, the
high five star. They're always going to be highly anticipated
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and people think they're going to be the savior of
the program. But then you get, like what I ran
into when I covered Georgia. You get Jacob Eason, who
guess what, he's not going to become the next Matt Stafford.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
Okay, point the counterpoint, I look, I'm I'm an arch truther.
I think I think he's going to be awesome. He's
had to, you know, two starts to his career. Last
year when when Quinny were got hurt.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Granted year, I forgot about that.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Yes, Louisiana Monroe in Mississippi State. I know, it's it was.
It was the games he was out that that.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Quentin was hurt for.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
You can't do anything about the schedule, but you know,
and and let's not forget the UTSA game that he
came in when when Quinn got hurt and he went,
what had a sixty seven yard run, you know, touchdown
run and then showed off the athleticism and everybody started
to go, oh, this kid runs more like Grandpa on
like Uncle.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Peyton and Uncle Eli.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
So yeah, Arch has got he's got the uh, he's
got the versatility in his game. But this was a
big thing and Sark was in town earlier this week
and and he brought this up. This is one of
those things we don't we don't talk a ton about.
But keep in mind, when Arch came in, he's on
the freshman team right like, he's playing with all the young.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Freshmen in that recruiting class.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
With him was a guy named Ryan Wingo who was
a five star wide.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Receiver who's been hanging around.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
DeAndre Moore was another young guy that that was on
the depth chart. Arch developed chemistry at those guys and
so when they got into the game last year, he's
hitting Ryan Wingo and Stride he's hitting DeAndre Moore and
you're going, oh, oh, okay, like which what you don't
consider is those guys came up together, so they have
chemistry and now they're all starters. I think there's gonna
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be something to them. You know, Yes, they lost Matthew Golden. Yes,
they lose this guy, that guy, but like I think,
I think they're.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Gonna be ready.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
I mean, they got to figure out the offensive line
and make sure they've got protection up front.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
But I think I think there's a world there where
Arch is awesome.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
And you know, by the way, thanks to the SEC
Office doing Texas and favors and giving them another easy
year slate of a schedule while Oklahoma plays a juggernaut
of a schedule. Look, also, I'll give Texas credit. They
do open the season at Ohio State, and that's that's
as tough as anybody having to go play the reigning
national champs on the road and their opener. But you know,
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even if they lose that game, look at the rest
of your schedule. I mean, outside of a road trip
to Georgia and a road trip to Florida. I mean,
you know, they get the Aggies at home to finish
the year. I think Texas is set up in a
great spot to go at worse ten and two and
they'll be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
So I'm buying into the Arch hype.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
I understand that, you know, maybe we're putting the card
before the horse, but they're doing everything right. When the
transfer portal opened and this world of Nil, Arch could
go get millions from anywhere. He could have went to Oregon,
he could have went, you know, to Alabama. He could
have every big nil deal in the country. The Mannings
are doing it right with him. Cooper's you know, they
they've kept trying to keep him out of the limelight
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of doing too much press and doing too much of
this and that. Sark even mentioned this past week that they,
you know, they they opted out of the photoshoot of
the NCA video game that you know they want. They
invited Arch and coach Sark to go out there and
they turned it down. So, you know, they're trying to
do whatever they can to not grab the headlines, but
it's hard not to what he's got when he's got
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the last name Manning.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Well, speaking of the last name Manning, I think that
also feeds into this CBS Sports mock draft, way too
early mock draft, and sorry Gordy, but they have your Saints.
They don't believe in Tyler Shuck obviously because they have
your Saints picking number one overall, and then they have
Arch Manning being the top pick in next year's draft.
(51:11):
Other quarterbacks Drew Aller from Penn State, gross Leonora Sellers
from South Carolina six to the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
I mean, my god, if you.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Thought this year's quarterback class, if this is what you're
already looking at for this one, well then you're in
for a treat next year.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
If your team's picking near the top of the draft.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
Yeah, I will say quick disclaimer. I mean the rumblings
that are out there is that the Mannings have been
pretty dead set on saying that Arch needs to develop
and they're gonna give him time to develop. That's why
they didn't push for him to be the starter last year.
They didn't think he was ready. They still thought another
year sitting behind Quinn yours was fine, He's gonna get
(51:54):
his chance to show it he can do this year.
But there are multiple people in Austin, Texas who believe
Arch is not going pro after this year. They think
he you know, they're gonna sit back and reflect on
the year that was, that we may get two years
of Arch Manning as a starter. Because here's the thing.
You could put out your your mock drafts and say
he's a top ten pick next year and all that.
(52:15):
Guess what, another year in college, He'll still be a
top ten pick the year after.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
And look at what Peyton and Eli did.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
They both stuck around another year when they could have
come out and.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Played another year of college.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
So I don't think it's crazy to think that you
can put all these all these mock drafts all you want.
I think there's there's a real case to be made
that Arch Manning does not come out in the twenty
twenty six NFL draft.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Well, me and Greg Greg McElroy are both on the
same page here because I'm not going to go throughout
the list. I mean, you know, we have rules on
this show. No list, no no mount rushmoreris But he
had his top ten returning quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Arch Manning was not in this group.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Kdeklubnick though, the Austin Westlake product, He's number one on
his list out of out of Clemson.
Speaker 5 (52:59):
Yeah, there's been multi mock drafts I've seen that have
three Clemson defenders going in the top ten. You know,
it's who else in the ACC is even gonna, you know,
do anything next year. It's it's it feels like it's
it's Clemson and that's it.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, and uh, Garrett Nessmeyer is five on this list.
Carson Beck though six. How about the stray that he
caught from link if in a couple of a couple
of weeks ago on the Believe It was the podcast
that Ryan Clark does, was at the Pivot where they
were talking about the money being thrown around and they
were like, yeah, you know four point five million or
whatever it was for Carson Beck to go to Miami
(53:35):
and he just.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
Goes, did they see his tape against us? I love Lane?
Speaker 1 (53:41):
That's a jerk.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
He's the best. He's the best.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Like he says the things out loud that we want
coaches to say, and then when he says it, nobody
bats an eye because they're just like, oh, Lane, like
it's he really is the best.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
I love him.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
Oh it's also he says that kind of stuff, and
it it hears him from ever getting out of Oxford,
Mississippi because other schools and programs looking and go, yeah,
don't let that guy representing our brand.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Oh trust me.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
I think if they felt like, if they feel like
he can help them take their program to the next
level and win a national title, I think those hurt
feelings will be replaced by money and trophies pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
But he hasn't proven he can do that.
Speaker 5 (54:22):
Here's the words you will never hear, Dan Champion, National
championship winning head coach Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
You'll never hear those words.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
There you go, Chris Gordy throwing it down for us
when it comes to the coaching career of Lane Kiffin.
All right, Coming up next, it is the stakeout and
Gordy somebody puts some treats around a local Texas town
and the cops got involved because well, you can't do this.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
We'll talk about it here.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
It is the Shawn Salisbury Show Sports Talk seven ninety.
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Ring the Jews. Let's go.
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Continues definitely on Sports Talk seven ninety.
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Speaker 3 (55:36):
Chris, we had Easter what a couple of weeks ago,
a week and a half ago, whatever it might have been.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
It's in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
But a Texas weed dealer arrested for stuffing Easter eggs
full of weed, in hiding them around town in Lufkin,
orchestrating a weedster egg hunt over Facebook to draw up business.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Police say they were searching for a men who.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
Had allegedly hit Easter eggs plastic Easter eggs full of
weed around city parks in the area in orchestrating a
scavenger hunt on social media to help find them. It
was w k RC Local twelve there in Lufkin who
had the story. They said that he was on Facebook
(56:23):
posting clues of how to find them, and police say
that they were covered four of the five that they
believe were placed out there. But this was all in
an effort to try to dram up business. Hey, look,
to say that I know you know how to go
about this side of life would be a It just
(56:45):
wouldn't be true. I know no way of how to
do you know how to try to handle yourself here.
Speaker 4 (56:51):
But I gotta believe that probably.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
For people who are in this line of work, if
you want to call it that, that you probably want
to try to move in silence as much as possible,
Like you want the right mouths to be passing this
as word of mouth. And I know, I say right
kind of in a loose term there, but you want
at least people you can trust to let others know like, hey,
(57:15):
he's got the goods.
Speaker 5 (57:18):
So when you say he was trying to promote his business,
so the thought was people were gonna find this marijuana
and like it and then come back for more.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
See that's the question I have too, is it's like
that does he post like does he like put like
a card in there or something of Hey, if you
want the good stuff, enjoy this sample, but then get
in touch with me. Investigators identified Avontae Nicholson as the
suspect who was behind the scavenger hunts. So if you
want the good stuff there in the near piney Woods
(57:52):
of Texas, well, get in touch with Avontae Nicholson.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah. I think that's uh.
Speaker 5 (57:59):
I still think that's what one of the most ridiculous
things we waste our resources and police. You know, you
saw it, like, what's something is legal in one state
and illegal in the next. I mean, it's the same reason,
it's the same thinking that we can't get past the
damn legalizing sports betting here in Texas that you know,
if you live in I don't know, you know, you know,
(58:20):
you live near the border.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Of Texas Louisiana.
Speaker 5 (58:22):
You got to drive across the border to go place
a bet here here in this space is legal, but
here in this space it's illegal.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Like it's just it's absolutely ridiculous. But if we can.
Speaker 5 (58:31):
Move tech forward at all in twenty twenty six and
moving forward legalized sports betting and legalized marijuana.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
What are we doing? Why are we still arresting people
for this?
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Well, I mean this is a conversation too that I
get into all the time, especially with family, about this
of what's the harm in online sports betting?
Speaker 4 (58:49):
For example? Like who who is that hurting?
Speaker 8 (58:53):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (58:53):
Well, you know, it's it takes advantage of people, and
you know whatever the other arguments are. I'm like, those
people who have those addictive tendencies, they'll find it elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
There.
Speaker 3 (59:04):
There are offshore betting accounts that you can bet with,
and I mean, you know those options are they.
Speaker 5 (59:12):
I go to the grocery or the gas station all
the time and I stand in line behind ten people
buying their lottery tickets and scratch offs. Those people, I mean,
that's We're fine with that. These idiots, who are you know,
lift paycheck to paycheck, but like they're.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Gonna go spend give me forty dollars of.
Speaker 5 (59:29):
Scratch offs, Like it's it's that same, like they're they're
doing it anyway. So just it's just so stupid that
like we're protecting you from yourself. Yeah, go oh, by
the way, can't bet on sports. It's a legal estate,
But come on up, to the Houston Rice Park where
you can bet on horses.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (59:47):
Doesn't it always seem to happen this way at gas
stations for the scenario you just laid out that, like
you're in a hurry, and maybe you know the machine
told you to see cashier, and and usually when that happens,
I just go ahead and close up my gas tank
and say, all right, I'm moving on to the next one,
because that's not happening. But let's just say that you
(01:00:07):
do have to go inside. Like for me, you know,
for a heavy user of nicotine pouches, Well, every once
in a while, I have to get my fill, so
I just want to go in there, buy a couple
of cans really quick and get out. Well it's always
too oh yeah, give me a number five, give me
number ten.
Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
I'm like, oh my god, dude, no, not right now.
Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I don't get the again, like you're taking your chance.
But like I just don't let people know too. When
you play like the lottery, the random pick is just
the same odds of you going up there picking.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Your numbers specifically, So just take the random pick of
the numbers.
Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
But yeah, I mean, like all for people to win
ten bucks twenty bucks off of scratch off. You spent
forty but you're won ten. Great, it's not in that
positive here.
Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Well, no, Gordy, I mean you in your mind and
you know, any of us who have ever done it,
we have the dream that one day we're gonna be
up there on the stage and they're going to have
the huge cardboard check for us.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
It's it's spoiler alert. It ain't ever happening.
Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
Stop buying lottery tickets, stop buying scratch offs. I don't know,
I just it just pisses me off because I know
it's it's it's the idiots in North Texas. It's the
Dallas folks who are taking the money from the from
the casinos in South Oklahoma that are paying them off, going,
don't you dare League live sports betting in that state?
(01:01:32):
And it's the whole state, like the whole state of Texas.
We're held hostage by the idiots in North Texas getting
payoffs from the folks in Oklahoma to not League live
sports betting in the state.
Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
It's it's ridiculous, Noted dream killer Chris Gordy. When it
comes to the lottery, I mean you know, all I
want to do.
Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
All I want to do is on a Friday night
watching college football bet on Akron versus Ohio.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
That's all we want to do.
Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
It said, we had to go to offshore betting and
by the way, miss out on tons of Louisiana.
Speaker 12 (01:02:01):
That is as.
Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Backwards as anybody figure this thing out of your couple
of years ago.
Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
When you know, if we tax this, we can actually
make some dollars off of this for our state.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Huh go figure actually works out?
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
What a novel concept? Do you a parlay guy or
do you think they're for suckers?
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Parlay's no, those are fun. You pick fourteens if you'll
lose you that's there for the way to go.
Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Okay, I would always go three. I feel like three.
I was. I was in the neighborhood. Yeah, I mean
that's that's.
Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
I talk to friends that live in other states who
bet on their phones all the time on oh yeah,
I got the over under on Dylan Brooks threes tonight.
I got this, and I always tell him like, oh,
it must be nice. I have no idea what that
feels like because I live in the state of Texas
and and our and our great Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick,
he's protecting us, thanks so much, really looking out for us.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Well, hopefully soon enough, cooler heads will prevail on that,
and then you know you can allow for somebody to
bet an eight Lake parlay. And you know the saying
that goes with that, Gordy, is as soon as that
that ticket has turned in. Say you have to physically
do it at a window there at a casino. You've
got to believe the person who takes that bet turns
to the person next to him and says, a sucker
(01:03:19):
is born every day.
Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Yeah, that's what we say at the gas station every
day when they're buying their lottery tickets.
Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Hey, buddy, look, all I want to do is just
get a couple of Kansas Smooth here and be able
to move on about my day, because trust me, if
I don't get these, then we're all in trouble. Can't
have that. You don't want to see me, Gordy, when
when I don't have my fix.
Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
I just want Tripley to be able to go in
and bet on Fred van valit Three's made tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
That's That's what I want. You just want to.
Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
I want him to be able to go in there,
and you know, maybe Triple he doesn't watch the Kentucky Derby,
but he wants to put twenty bucks on Journey at
three to one odds tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Maybe that's what he wants to.
Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Do Kentucky Derby talk. I mean, we teased it a
little bit yesterday when you were in here, but I
don't know if we're gonna go fully in today. But
I did finally find out that there were some others
and I think me and you were throwing this out
there because I mean for the Matt Thomas Show today,
obviously they'll have hell yeah or not for the final
segment of the show. I feel like that would be
(01:04:24):
a great hell yeah or not today of real horse,
fake horse.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Oh yeah, they've done They've done that multiple times in
the past.
Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Yeah, so journalism is pretty much the only one. And
then I guess I know that Toby Keith posthumously has
a horse running in the Derby this year, but aside
from that, I know nothing. It's one of those too,
you know, not to get on another aside here, but
like it's just I don't know, like I find it
(01:04:52):
all obnoxious, Gordy, Like I know that your wife loves
it just for where she went to college. But like
it's just all of the celebrity look at me, Oh,
look at my gaudy hat, look at my ridiculous suit
that I'm wearing. Like it's just just run the damn horses.
That's that's that's all I want. I don't need the
celebrity worship.
Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
It's fun, though, it's it's all the hype and build
up for hours for an event that lest what just
like two minutes, three minutes whatever it is?
Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
What is it the fastest two minutes in sports?
Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
Yeah, it's it's to me, it's it's a lot of
fun to because look, you never been to a race
park before, or you know, live live horse racing. It's
it's a lot of fun. Again, if it's legal in
your state, which is legal here, we can bet on horses.
Just can't bet on a basketball or fruse ball or
anything else.
Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
You go on full seersucker tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
No, I do not own a serious sucker suit.
Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
I would have thought that you were a seersucker guy. Honestly,
I I really would have would have pegged you for
that seersucker with like maybe some sort of a nice
little spring color like a light orange or a pink
high something like that, and then definitely a pocket square.
Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
I think if anybody could pull off the seer sucker,
probably you or maybe even Salisbury.
Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I think I could see Sean going.
Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I see I can see slaves are wearing. Yeah, I
could absolutely see him wearing a seer sucker for sure.
And if he's listening right now, I'm sure probably we'll
get a text of saying there is no way in
hell that I would ever wear a seersucker suit. You
can bet on that, you feel me.
Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah, I'm not buying.
Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
I'm not wearing the seersucker, but look, I wouldn't be
ready to bet on the horses.
Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Tomorrow will be fun, yep, for sure, for sure, and
plenty of drink to go along with it.
Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Because the first round had come and gone and we
didn't have Shador Sanders coming off the board at that point.
And then, funny enough, as tonight's picks from last week
would happen, we know we still wouldn't. We had to
wait all the way until the fifth round when it
finally happened. But of all people to give him advice
on how to handle this situation, now, did you have
Cam Newton on your bingo card as being a guy
(01:08:29):
that could offer out some advice.
Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
Kim Newton's actually been pretty level headed since he's been
back on the national scene, hosting this podcast and all
that kind of stuff. I like this, This is a
this is a wise to mature Cam Newton later in life.
Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Absolutely it is.
Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
So he was on his fourth and one podcast and
he said, quote lead with work not clouds and saying
I think he of course Shador took on the persona
of a dB that's defensive back, not the other dB.
Not as a quarterback. As a dB, you're able to
do certain things. You can speak loud and be rambunctious
(01:09:08):
and have that bravado. But as a quarterback, reminder, you're
the CEO of that franchise. And he breaks it down
even further that as the CEO of the franchise, you
have to pander to six different parties of people, the owner,
the general manager, the head coach, position coach, teammates, and
of course the fans. But he goes as far as
(01:09:28):
to say that he thinks this is the best best
situation for seduor because he has to claw his way
all the way up to the top, does he have
the capabilities to do it? Absolutely? And if I'm in camp,
I'm telling him, bro, let's go to work. Let's control
what we can control now, even finishing it off by saying,
I do see Shador Sanders starting for the Cleveland Browns
(01:09:51):
at some point this season.
Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Yeah, I almost wonder.
Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
I mean, okay, it's easy say that, but what the
hell did you take Dylan Gabriel in the third round?
Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
For?
Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
Like, I just it doesn't make any sense, And I
guess if you want to make the case about you
took Shador in the fifth because he was falling and
he was just at that point he was best player
available and despite whatever red flags he had, we're gonna
take him. But on a team where you already you
still have Joe. You know you have Joe Flacco. You
added Kenny Pickett, a former first round pick, and then
(01:10:26):
you drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third to come.
Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Back and take Shador.
Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
I just how does Shador climb up that depth chart,
you know what I mean reasonably with He's.
Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Just gonna he's gonna have to like blow it out
of the water in preseason to impress.
Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
I mean, I just otherwise I don't see how he
how he's not a practice squad this year, and then
you know, if he does, maybe the thought is just
a you know, good value and make a trade him
if he's any good. I don't know, but you know
you're already you're still paying Deshaun Watson a tonness sit
there and not play football. I just it's it's just
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hard to be with four quarterbacks, four healthy quarterbacks on
that roster. I don't know how he's going to jump
all them.
Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yeah, I noticed you said four, because I mean there
are five currently on the roster. But I mean, I
think we can agree that this is gonna be the
second time in his career that Deshaun Watson has been told, hey,
we'll pay you, you can show up, but you're not
getting work with the quarterbacks, like we're not going to
play you. So you're kind of still just here. Like
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basically he's on the pay no mind list now for
the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
Yeah, I heard what. Deshaun Watson shows up to collect
his checks. He wears a ski mask because it's highway robbery.
He's just absolutely taken them to.
Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
The to the woodshed.
Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Well at least it's not the Texans paying it anymore,
you know. I mean that's that's the good thing you
have here. But I mean, look for all the advice
you know he's given, and I haven't seen what people
have said back to Cam Newton, and you know, did
he have some questionable moments during his career, not hopping
on the fumble there in the Super Bowl, getting up
from his postgame press conference after that, and then following
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it up by saying, anybody who wants to show me
a good loser. They're just showing me a loser, you know,
basically saying, hey, look, I have every right to be
upset about losing the game and acting the way that
I did, because well, sure, you know, I am a
sore loser because I don't want to be a loser.
I think for all of those things, I almost feel
like hearing advice from people like him carries even more
(01:12:28):
weight because I think that he's kind of coming at
it from a standpoint of Hey, probably if I knew
what I knew now, I wouldn't have handled myself that way.
Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
Well, this is the guy who was famous for ripping
his chest open and you know, doing the Superman celebration.
And now he's the one saying you lead. You know,
you want to be a leader, Lead with your work
ethic and not with all the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Let's not forget. I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
Cam Newton was at one time the backup quarterback to
Tim Tebow at the University of Florida and stole a
laptop from a dorm room and climbed out the window
and that's how he ended up what had blame college
and then worked his way back to Auburn, where he
had one of the most impressive single seasons of.
Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Any quarterback ever.
Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
But yeah, I mean that's you know, Kim Newton's had
his share of of of issues, so to get advice
from him. Look, I think Shador is just a he's
in a tough spot, man. I mean, he's who his
dad is. He's been you know, he's had all the
money in the world. Like this isn't a kid that
came from like meager upbringings and had to like work
his way up. You know, he's he's kind of silver spoon, right,
(01:13:32):
Like he's he's had great advantages. But look, he showed
to play at Jackson's State like he originally did and
looked very good there, and then go to a school
like Colorado and impress there.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
He's a good football player. Man.
Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
I think this is where when you get into OTAs
and training camp and all that, all the parties and
all the celebration, it's it's all that's over.
Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
It's time to go to work in the NFL. Man.
You you either put put your big boy.
Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
Pants on and and do what you need to do
or get left in the dust. So I I just
think I just don't know how he's gonna jump those
guys on the depth chart. That's that's what I keep
going back to. So even if he and Princes and
looks really good in these preseason games for Cleveland and
all that, I mean, maybe they flip it. Maybe they
trade him.
Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
Well apparently too.
Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
You know twofold Roth Tucker was on the Dan Patrick
Show earlier this week and he talked about how he
had skipped out on a production meeting, which that's one thing,
but another thing that supposedly happened during his pre draft
meetings with teams is that he was handling it as
basically like, hey, you pitch me on why I should
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want to come play for you, And NFL teams were
basically like, that's not how this works here, dude. This
isn't college recruiting all over again. You don't have signing day,
you don't have all of that. We have signing day
for you. That's the whole point of the draft.
Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
But don't you think some of that is not shador
I think some of that comes from Dion, Like in
other words, I saw him on radio road to the
super Bowl in New Orleans and he had a whole
entourage with him and cameras and all this do you
think that Shador saying, hey, let's get the camera crew
to follow me around or whatever, or do you think
that's more Dion going You know, now that look Sador
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that you know you need your camera crew following you around.
You want to document every part, you.
Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
Like how much was that him telling him to do this?
Or how much is this shaudor making decisions on his own.
Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
But I would also argue that Dion should know better,
like Dion should know like what like how to play
the game. I guess is where I'm going with this
in terms of getting ready for the NFL draft, Like
for all the flash and everything else that Dion had
when it was time for him to go, he posted,
he went.
Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
Yeah, you're probably right, I mean and and but but again,
Dion's also the king of showmanship, right, like you know,
make sure you stay in that spot. Why there's a
reason why we talk about him as a head goa
to Colorado, like he he has worked his way up,
and he he demanded you know, not just commands a
spot like like demands the spat light and you know,
so but again, like like I said, in the NFL,
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they will. If you don't put all that stuff aside,
you will not last. So that's where I say, like Chador,
it's it's time to put your head down and go
to work.
Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
And if he does that, I think you'll be very successful.
Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Yeah, we'll see how it all plays out up there
in Cleveland. They definitely don't have a shortage of quarterbacks
at the moment. And yeah, I guess whoever earns the job,
we'll have earned it. So we'll see how that goes
all right, coming out next, Gordy, it's the story that
just won't go away. Jordan Hudson a couple of different
sides of this, because it sounds like maybe the Belichick
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family is starting to not be so favorable of her.
Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
We'll explain.
Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
We'll discuss here on the Sean Salisbury Show Again. Jackson,
gatl I'm gonna be join us here in fifteen minutes
for the next couple hours of the show. It is
a Shawn Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
Wait.
Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
Sean Salisbury continues on seven ninety.
Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
It is the story that just will not go away.
It is Jordan Hudson, And of course, you know the
intenna was raised for us all last week with the Hey, Bill, how.
Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Did you two meet?
Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
We're not answering that, and then she has that look
on her face behind the monitor that you're just kind
of like, oh, I get what that look on your
face is. You just think that you have the world
figured out because you're pretty and and you just you
feel like that you can call all the shots. And
then we get the report that there were multiple interruptions,
including her storming out of where they were.
Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Yeah, in that like that's where you're that CBS reporter.
You got to look at Bill Belichick and go, dude,
blink twice if she's holding you hostage, Like what is happening?
You're a grown ass man. Why are you I don't
care if you're dating her? Why are you taking orders
in your in your business world, you know, your your
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work environment.
Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Why are you taking orders from her?
Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
And and it's I remember when I heard the report
came out that he had made her, you know, oh,
she's gonna be as administrative assistant or whatever ahead of
business for the North Carolina program.
Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
And I was like, oh, that's cute. He's just giving
her a role or whatever.
Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
But like no, now, like in that interview, just she's
she's in charge. She's calling the shots for one of
the greatest head coaches of all time, at least in
the NFL. We'll see what he does in college. I
was just I was appalled by that. I'm like, what
do you, Bill, What are you doing?
Speaker 7 (01:18:27):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
I mean when they hired him in.
Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
You know, the initial storyline was his contract of the
buyout is this I think, what before June one or
July first or something like that, And then it goes
down significantly after that point of people wondering, okay, is
he basically going to finally just get this in the
position where he can give the team the program to
his son, Steve, but speaking to Steve, his wife gets
(01:18:55):
involved here in a second. But you know, another story
that came out with all of this is that apparently
young Jordan has already racked up quite a bit of
real estate since Bill being with Bill, that she's amassed
an eight million dollar real estate portfolio within months of
meeting Belichick. So just buying spots all over Cape Cod,
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even so far to the point where her mother moves
to one of these Cape Cod towns and get this,
Gordy runs a sex toy shop and a museum.
Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
There seems like a really good family.
Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
That her parents do.
Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
The mom does.
Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
They didn't say anything about the dad, just the mom
in this New York Post story.
Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Wow, that's a toy. That's a plot twist.
Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
It was a part of the story that I think
people stuck with the most.
Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Yeah, here it is.
Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Her mother eventually moved to Provincetown, which it's somewhere in
the Cape, I guess, and where she manages a sex
toy shop in a museum.
Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Maybe this further a little bit more of how they met. Remember,
it's like, you know, the story came out they met
on an airplane or something. And then when she got
so goes, how'd y'all meet? She goes, we're not talking
about this? Okay, Well, now you're giving suspicions on more
more you know, storylines on how y'all really met about it,
(01:20:20):
And it seems there you go, yeah, it seems to
be a little bit more on like, yeah, we met
on a plane.
Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Yeah that's the ticket. And I love that's how this happened.
Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
I love Belichick's statement, like where he throws that out
there and it's kind of like Bill nobody with half
a brain is buying that story now, like you've created
a story that didn't need to be created, Like, like,
how do you not like you know when you and
Lauren first started dating, when me and Megan first started dating,
Like we know the answer, Jackson and his lady, when
when when we all started dating our ladies, Like we
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know both of us without having to concoct a story
of how we met, Like we we all can tell you, Hey,
how'd y'all meet? How we went to college together and
we reconnected on the road. That's our story.
Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Well, it's just weird.
Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
I mean, everybody, everybody can look at it. She is
she he is literally he could be her grandfather. Like
that's that's the reality of it. I know everybody wants
to well, if they're in love, let him be love,
that's great, whatever, But it's weird.
Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
It's gross.
Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
It's gross as a fisherman and her as a mermaid.
Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Like Bill, you you're one of the most legendary NFL
coaches ever. What are you doing for a guy.
Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
Who was always who was always stoic, and a guy
that was always like known for being the the sour
puss in the room, is now suddenly wearing a fisherman
costume for a photo shoot.
Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
All of a sudden, the intimidation that he might have
had during his time with the Patriots, that's out the window,
Like if you're an opposing coach, Like I'm trying to
think if there's anybody on their schedule or even the
acc who could be brash enough to like yell from
the other sideline of.
Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
Say hi, did Jordan for me?
Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
Bill as they're walking off the field, like maybe Pat
and Ardus.
Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
As much as I want to say that this is
going to be a disaster and that he'll be won
and done as the head coach in North Carolina, go
look at their schedule. It's it's it's cupcakes up and down.
Like they get Clemson, but they get them at home.
If they lose that one, I mean, I think they're
winning all the rest of their games. It's Duke and
wake Forest and Stanford Virginia. I mean, it's a very
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easy navigatable schedule for Belichick. So I mean, like he says,
much I want to say, is he's gonna crash and
burn there. I think I think he's gonna win there.
Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
We'll leave it with this.
Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
So it was a podcast that Juliannelman was doing with
Rob Gronkowski and Nicky Glazer of course, who has a
connection to all of them through the Tom Brady roast
putting a comment out there ending it with people are
out for blood. But then you get Jim Belichick, who
is the daughter in law to Bill and married to
his son Steve, who wrote, publicists act in a in
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a professional manner and don't storm off delaying an interview.
That's what Jen wrote in return. So we wondered, like,
what maybe like Bill's kids, who I think he's got
a daughter and two sons. We know about the two
sons and the daughter from footage from the Saban and
Belichick documentary being at his being at our wedding and
speaking there. But that probably tells me that the kids
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are not on board with this.
Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Yeah, no way, because you.
Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
Can you imagine they have like a family function and
she's like bossing the kids around.
Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Oh, the kids.
Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
The kids are gonna be like, look, you can boss
our dad around and for some ungodly reason, he's taking
orders from you, But we're not taking orders from you.
Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Sean, Sean, I'll end it with this. Sean brought up
a great point. The other day, what if they have
a child together, Like, can you imagine, like what Steve
Brian and his daughter? Like, if that's my dad that happened,
I'd never speak to him again. I'd be like, you've
completely forgotten about us, dude, see.
Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Yak sevente at seventy three. I don't know if Belichicks
got the amo anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
That's a fair point. That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Things we learned about in health class, right, Gordy, good
high gien. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, yeah that too, that
too for sure. Hey, buddy, I appreciate the first couple
of hours. Got Jackson Gatlin coming in with us. We'll
get into a lot of Rockets talk. But are we
talking Game seven on Monday.
Speaker 5 (01:24:29):
Let's go, Yes, let's go find a way Rockets. Rockets
find a way to win the night.
Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
For sure, for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
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is in. The Shawn Salisbury Show continues final two hours
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As we're gonna get into a lot of Rockets talk
with Jackson Gatlin locked on Rockets in studio with me.
You can find him on Twitter at j T Gatlin
speaking of the Rockets game six tonight from the Bay
Area against the Warriors, and it's going to tip off,
Uh just after eight, I believe is when it's going
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to be a tip off there in the Bay Area.
But the Rocket's trying to win that one and keep
the season alive. Astros are in Chicago taking on the
White Sox or Astros on deck coming your way here
on your home of the Astros Sports Talk at seven
to ninety. But Jackson, you know just this Rockets series.
Heard you the other night with ac on on Rockets
(01:26:14):
launch Pad, and one of the things that stood out
to me was, you know, you're all over this team
and Jalen Green has been the storyline that just won't
go away in this series.
Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
And for a good reason. I mean, game two he
was great.
Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
The other three I guess in this case, now the
other four he's not been so great.
Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
But is this team better without him on the floor.
Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
I mean, I think if you go and look at
a lot of the different advanced numbers and different metrics
out there, and I could, I could pull up a
laundry list of different advanced stats and everything that would
suggest the team is better without him on the floor.
But the problem is the way that this roster's constructed
is he's the one guy that has his specific skill set.
Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
On the team.
Speaker 9 (01:26:52):
He's the one dynamic lead guard on the team. There's
things that he can do that Fred van Vliet only
dreams that he could do on a basketball floor. And
so when you get the good version of Jalen Green,
that's when this Rockets team is elite.
Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
That's when they're unbeatable.
Speaker 9 (01:27:07):
Right, They're something like thirteen to one to fourteen to
one this season when he scores thirty or more points.
Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
And so the proof is in the pudding.
Speaker 9 (01:27:13):
When you get the best version of Jalen Green, this
Rockets team looks incredibly good. You get alp rin Chingund
in the middle, doing his work facilitating rebounding. He's a
much improved defender. Then you get all the other guys,
the wing defenders, everybody that makes this Rockets team special.
And that is honestly a championship recipe right there. The
issue is, and has been for most of Jalen Green's career,
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has been the inconsistency in his game, right night to night.
Which version of Jalen Green do you get?
Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Now? This season?
Speaker 9 (01:27:40):
I think he's done a remarkable job of kind of
eliminating a lot of the lows throughout the year. Right,
you don't see the lows, and even when he does
have like an off night bag game, he's gotten a
lot better about rebounding, responding the very next game out
after game one, I had a feeling that he was
gonna respond in a big way in game two, and
he comes out and you know, Erupts has thirty eight point.
It looks incredible, right, future superstar material. Then he struggles
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on the road in games three and four, And a
lot of this has to do with how the Golden
State Warriors are defending him.
Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
They change it on a game to game basis.
Speaker 9 (01:28:11):
Game two, they elected to take Draymond Green out of
a lot of the ballscreen actions, which really gave Jalen
kind of free reign to do whatever he wanted to do. Offensively.
He made all the right reads. He was knocking down
his shots eight threes that night. But then you see
the Warriors and they switch up their coverages and they've
been the best defense in the NBA since adding Jimmy Butler.
And that's a tall task, that's a tall order for
Jalen Green to navigate that on a night to night basis.
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So for the Rockets, I mean, I feel like here
in game six, they're gonna need something special from him,
especially on the road. And look, you got you know,
I know it's you know, everybody's first playoff series, the
first taste of postseason action for all the young guys.
That is right, Fred Dylan, Steven Adams, they've been there,
But you know you kind of I think the expectation
now should be like, look, you got the first game,
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jitters out of the way, you responded great in game two.
He struggled on the road in games three and four,
struggled back at home in Game five, although to be
fair to his credit, it looked like he was getting
ready to have one of those special Jayalen Green performances.
Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Had the and one basket.
Speaker 9 (01:29:08):
First hoop of the game, changes hands, midair scores at
the rim, absorbs contact, gets the free throw, and then
he cans a three pointer a couple possessions later. It's
unfortunate that he banged knees with Steph Curry and kind
of sideline him a little bit that game, and then
by the time he made it back on the floor,
rockets were rolled and the offense looked good. Everything was humming,
So he didn't really need to force the issue as
much in that game. But Game six on the road
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in the Bay Area, you're gonna need something special from
not only Jalen Green, but also Alprin, Shangoon and a
Men Thompson.
Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
I'm gonna get to the rest of the guys in
a second, but I mean tell me if I'm wrong here.
I kind of felt like there was a concerted effort
to get to the basket in game five, like it
was where you'd see some of those lanes being cut off,
and we're gonna settle for mid rangers or maybe even
an ill advised three. Even if it's wide open, You've
still got other options on the floor.
Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
But is that.
Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Something that maybe they've unlocked Dow now that they feel like, hey, yeah,
we can bang you up down low, we can make
this happen.
Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
You know.
Speaker 9 (01:30:05):
It kind of feels like to me that they've just
they're starting to really understand the Warriors a little bit better.
And you see it game to game, literally from game
one to two to three, to four to five, this
Rockets team has gotten a better understanding of the Warriors
as the series has progressed. And that's kind of the
beauty of like a seven game series. You deal with
the same opponent each and every night, and so you
watching the coaches and what adjustments they make and all
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this stuff for the players. And I said this, you know,
on my show before the series even started. Is you know,
because they're also young, they're also in experience. They haven't
been in a series like this before. Many of the
players up and down the roster. I figured that they
would get more comfortable as the series progress because they
would start to understand, Okay, this is how the adjustments work,
this is what they're trying to do, This is how
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they're trying to limit us offensively, this is where they're
trying to hurt us when they're on offense. And I
really do feel like you look up and down the roster.
Different guys have really started to settle into this series.
And in Game five, to me, the big difference maker was,
you know, after the first couple of games and especially
Game one, Emy talked about this a lot after the game,
that they played in a crowd too much.
Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
You know, the Warriors love to pack the paint.
Speaker 9 (01:31:10):
They want to, they won't will dare you to beat
them from the perimeter, and so they're they're having guys
sag off defensively packing the paint, and the Rockets played
in a crowd way too much in Game one. The
difference there in Game five is they made the right read.
They did a great job of getting a quick paint
touch and then getting that outlet pass, kicking it out
to an open shooter. And then it didn't just stop there,
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because you can, you know, get a quick paint touch,
quick driving kick, get it out to the shooter, and
maybe you get a quick rushed kind of three. You know,
Warriors get a decent close out on it. They did
a great job just moving the basketball around so you
pass up a good shot off the initial kickout, you
swing it to the next man over, while the Warrior's
defense is a rotation. You turn a good shot into
a great shot, and then at the end of the day,
you know, you just got to actually knock down the shots.
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That's sometimes basketball just comes down to you, like did
you hit your shots or not? Like was the process good?
Sure is one thing, but did you actually make the shot.
You can generate all the white shots in the world,
but it doesn't matter if you can't actually get the
ball in the hoop.
Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
It's the name of the game.
Speaker 9 (01:32:04):
And so for the Rockets there in game five, everybody
was firing on all cylinders and I just hope that
they didn't completely empty the clip in that one, so
they got a little bit of something left for game
six again.
Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Jackson Gatlin locked on Rockets hanging out with us for
the next couple hours here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
You know, you mentioned Fred and I almost kind of
worry with him, is there a shelf life to this? Like,
you know, we've gotten good shooting performances in game four
and then of course game five he's able to do
it again. But I mean, does that kind of worry
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you a little bit of Hey, if you're going to
try to count on that guy to provide that part
of your offense, it's going to not be something that's
going to be a long term solution.
Speaker 13 (01:32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (01:32:44):
I mean, here's the thing is, when the Rockets signed
Fred Right, he wasn't supposed to be any kind of
a long term solution. Fred and Dylan when they were
brought in was you know, the idea was to have
them kind of be more or less the training wheels
for this young core right kind of guide them back
to competitive basketball, what it's like to be a professional,
all that stuff. And I think that's where you see
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a little bit of the frustration with kind of where
Jalen Green is at in his career, his growth kind
of you know, the inconsistencies in his game. Is there
are some Rockets fans I see out there who take
who are frustrated on some nights where Fred is, you know,
getting up too many shots, this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
And my message is.
Speaker 9 (01:33:20):
Usually, well, Fred is a very willing like he will
gladly sit in the corner and let Jalen Green run
the show and take you know, eight shot attempts at
night and only the open threes. Whatever, he feels the
need to kind of force the issue, especially when Jalen
doesn't have it going, because the Rockets recipe for success
is very clearly they need one of Jalen Green or
Fred van Vliet on a night to night basis to
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have a strong game from the perimeter to help keep
the defense on us. Right, run that two man game
with Alparin Shingoun, generate decent looks, run the offense, all
that stuff. And there's some games where Jalen doesn't and
he looks phenomenal, right, looks like a future superstar. And
then there's others where he really struggles, right, really struggled
there in Game four of the early turnovers, the ball,
pressure from the Warriors, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
So for Fred, I don't think.
Speaker 9 (01:34:03):
That there's necessarily a shelf life on it. He is
a very streaky shooter, and that's kind of the downside
for Fred is he doesn't have the downhill gravity, the
athleticism to get to the rim put that kind of
pressure on the Warriors defense. So for Fred, it's very
much like is your shot falling. If it is awesome,
you're gonna look great. If your SHOT's not falling. Things
are gonna get ugly really really quick for this Rockets offense.
Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Again, Jackson Gallan join us here in studio, will continue
the Rockets conversation. You want to get in on said
Rockets conversation the phone line some one three two one
two five seven ninety against someone three two one two
five seven nine zero. Something we did see in Game
five that we do hope will translate to tonight, maybe
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even to Sunday. But why did it take so long?
We'll discuss here. It is the Sean Salisbury Show, Sports
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But again someone three two one two five seven ninety
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you know, Jackson. One of the things that sit out
for me from Wednesday night Rockets able to win that game.
UH one thirty one one sixteen thirty two of thirty
eight from the free throw line eighty four percent, And
I'm just kind of like how, like like like how
how does that all of the sudden happen for you?
Like how do you go from being during the series
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sixty three percent going up almost twenty something percent? Like
where I'm going with this is like I was almost
kind of angry, Like I was just like, you have that,
you know that you can do this. It's clearly about form,
it's clearly about discipline, it's clearly about other things that
go into making those shots that it's just like, if
you could do it, why weren't you doing it? It's
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so much more mental than anything else, Like that's what
free throw shooting is. It's mental top to bottom. And
so when you get you know, game one, uh, what
is it? Fifty five percent in game one? Game two
they go eighty percent, right, So then they swing it
back up eighty percent. Game three on the road, they're
all the way back down again at fifty eight point
three percent. Game four on the road again sixty one
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point three percent, and then you're right right, they swing
it in game five, and not only do they get
a ton of free throw attempt, so they capitalized on it, right,
thirty eight trips there, hit thirty two of them, but
eighty four point two percent.
Speaker 9 (01:36:32):
I mean, it's one of those where it's you hear you,
your coaches talk about it. Sometimes free throw shooting is infectious, right,
Like bad free throw shooting will absolutely destroy a team.
One guy starts missing a couple of free throws, he
gets in his head a little bit, and then other
guys see the miss free throws and it's just one
of those weird like basketball phenomenon that are out there.
And it's unfortunate because you look at the margins and
how close some of the games were earlier in this series,
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and you can just kind of sit here and say, man,
if they just hit their free throws, we could be
talking about a series that might be, you know, three
to two in favor of the Rockets right now, or hell,
maybe a series where they could have actually close things
out at Toyota Center in five games. As unbelievable as
that sounds, but that's how important the free throw shooting
has been throughout this series, and so it is a
frustrating thing. It is, you know, understandable to look at
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that and be like, well, like, why can't you just
do it? And unfortunately, you know, you like take a
look at the body of work where the Rockets have
been all season. They've been one of the worst shooting
teams all season. Free throw line, three point line doesn't matter.
They're not a great shooting team. And so you take
that and you look at, you know, their style of
play top five in the NBA and free throws generated
per game in the regular season, and it's unfortunate because
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you're just leaving so many points at the board and
for a team that very much struggles on the offensive
side of the ball to not be able to lean
into at least one of those like strengths, right, Like, yeah,
you're top five and free throws generated, but if your
bottom five and three throw percentage, like how much are
you actually converting on those? So it is a frustrating
thing to look at when you're just trying to figure
out where the margins for improvement are in this series
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and how they can you know, hopefully come out on top.
Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Steve Kerr and the Warriors don't want this to get
to Sunday. They don't So for everything that we just
talked about with the rockets the free throw line. If
it is five point lead, two minutes left to go,
we're gonna start to see hakka shingoon hacka, whoever get
them the free throw line. I mean that's pretty much
where normally you see that in the final minute. The
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NBA doesn't do it as much as college. Like that
cracks me up the college game. Hey, we're down by fifteen,
but we're still gonna send them to the line. You're
down by fifteen, you're not winning this game, Like, just
let it play out.
Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
No, you're right.
Speaker 9 (01:38:37):
And I mean it's one of those where from a
as a fan of like all the different little adjustments
and x's and o's and things that these coaches have
to think about and that they get paid, you know,
the big bucks to decide on and figure out. From
a strategy perspective, I love it. I love the chess
match of like, Okay, you're gonna put a bad shooter
on the floor. Cool, we're gonna send him to the
free throw line and make him prove that he can
stay on the floor. But from like a fan perspective
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consuming the product, it sucks. Nobody wants to see Steven
Adams shooting free throws in the third quarter because the
Rockets gotten the bonus, or sorry, the Warriors gotten the
bonus a little early, and now you're taking advantage of
what should be something that is a weakness, right, like
getting in the bonus, and you know, give wrapping those
free throws to an opposing team is such a weird strategy,
and I don't I mean, you got to go all
the way back to right, hack of shack, you know,
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and I'm sure it even existed before that. I'm aging
myself here, but hacker Howard, hack of Howard here, absolutely right.
It's been a thing for you know, god knows how
many years, and I don't know what the fix would
be from an NBA rules perspective to try and get
rid of it. Obviously you can't do it in the
final two minutes of the game. It can't foul away
from the ball because then it's you know, you get
possession and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
So I don't know, you know, it was.
Speaker 9 (01:39:42):
It was definitely a talking point though after Game four
because Steven Adams played so well in that game and
then late in that fourth quarter, with about like three
four minutes left, uh Kevon Looney backed back fouls on
Steven Adams intentional fouls because they were looking to get
the Rockets in the bonus and they were going to
punish Houston by sending Steven Adams to the free throw line. Now, unfortunately,
the rest of that way from the point where the
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Rockets would have been in the bonus, Imo Udoka elected
to sub out Steven Adams, bring back Alprin Shingun or whoever.
Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
Else was out there.
Speaker 9 (01:40:11):
Maybe Alpi was out there with the double big lineup,
but basically subbing out Steven Adams, and the Rockets wound
up scoring less than one point per possession the rest
of the way in that game. And that was also,
you know, infamously where Jimmy Butler got the three free
throws under sixty seconds ago the Dylan Brooks three shot foul,
and that was, you know, an unfortunate turn of events
for Houston.
Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
But it's one of those where you're like, man, you.
Speaker 9 (01:40:33):
Could have just kept Steven Adams in the game and
played like the whole hack of Adams gambit, and you
would have probably come out on top with better offense,
more points produced in that window of time from you know,
about four minutes left in the game to about the
two minute mark where you stop being able to do
the hack of Shack stuff or the hack of Adams stuff,
And that was definitely one of those things you probably
look back on, you're like, man, if you could, and
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he's so many of those throughout this year. He changed
one little thing, one little moment, one little decision, and
Rockets could have I'm out on top. And I think
that's one thing that Rockets fans should be incredibly optimistic about.
Is every win by the Words in the series has
been very narrow, and meanwhile, the Rockets two wins have
been overwhelmingly positive, like they were really good in their
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two wins. Granted, you can get into the variables, Jimmy
Butler's injury in game two, all that stuff. Is he
healthy in Game five? That's definitely doesn't look like himself
right now. But I think that should bode well for
the Rockets that things have been so close right now
that it feels like they're almost due for one where
like the fifty to fifty stuff goes their way while
the you know, the the questionable calls me be swing
their way a little bit potentially here in game six.
Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Hopefully that is the case again someone three two, one, two,
five seven ninety the number to get in on the
phone lines and Biscuit wants to win.
Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
In Good morning, Biscuit, how you doing.
Speaker 8 (01:41:45):
Eight top of the morning, My brothers, hey man, I
had a couple of questions in your observation of the Rockets.
In my one of the things that I don't know
if you think the same way, but one of the
things I think is Jalen and Fred are both better
off the ball as when they're shooters then running the point.
And my thinking is, at some point, do you think
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Thompson will be the one be like a point forward
to free up Jalen and Fred to be the shooters,
Because I mean, we all talk about how the Rockers
are not a good shooting team, but to me, they're
not a good ball handling team per se. And I
just I think that's why the Warriors trying to press
him to keep them from getting into their offense. If
they can get into it in the earlier point, I
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think the Rockets can take advantage of the Warriors. But
if it's laid in the clock, you know, Sam Goon
and some of the other guys.
Speaker 12 (01:42:36):
You know, it just seems like That's one thing, and
the other thing is Jabari. I just think Jabari needs
more minutes. And I don't understand why the coach, for
whatever reason, he seems like he favors Eastern oak Jabari.
I mean, maybe you can, you know, found on that
a little bit. But I just think Jabari gives them
more flexibility because he's quick on his feet. Plus he
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has late and he's probably wanted a better shoolder. So
you know, I just you know, those two things is
one to kind of go through my mind when I'm
looking at the Rockets.
Speaker 9 (01:43:07):
Appreciated Biscuit. Yeah, Biscuit, thanks for the thoughts. Look just
first on the Jalen Fred kind of debacle problem, whatever
you want to call it, I think that I'm with
you to an extent, right. You know, Fred is absolutely
a guy you can play him on ball, off ball,
and like I was saying earlier in an earlier segment,
is just you know you can with Fred.
Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
You can play him off ball, and.
Speaker 9 (01:43:29):
He's more than happy to sit off ball and just
knock down the catch and shoot threes and play hard
nosed defense on the other side, you know, be that
kind of vocal leader. The extension of the coaching staff
on the floor. But the problem comes in where if
you're not generating enough offense, like you got to be
able to run, you know, a steady diet of pick
and roll at times with Alprin Shangun. You got to
put that pressure on the Warriors defense. And I agree
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with you. I think that the future vision for a
men Thompson with this team is absolutely something like a
point forward type. You look at his skill set and
what he's capable and what he's been doing right here
and just just year two of his career, and he's
kind of in that same mold as like a mix
between a Russell Westbrook and Giannison Tetakumpo, a guy who
you know, he's struggling right now, you know, outside shots
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not great TVD on if it'll ever actually be great,
although he's made a lot of progress with it just
this season alone, So I have, you know, high hopes
that he'll get to a place where it's at least
respectable down the line in his career. But you know,
you just don't get necessarily the right amount of gravity
defensively if you run, say a Men Thompson as your
primary ball handler and you're setting screens with Shingoon or Adams.
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You know, situationally, some of those high screens work where
he can get you know, ahead of steam and get
downhill and put some pressure on the rim for the Warriors.
But the other issue is, because he's not a shooter, right,
they can put him on, they can send defenders under
the screen, they can sag off of him, and so
it's not the same as trying to guard Fred van
Vliet or Jalen Green in the pick and roll where
the Warriors defenders really have to be up to touch.
They have to fight over the screens, and that's what
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generates that offensive advantage where you see alp Rin Shangoon
diving hard to the rim, you know, getting those little
pocket passes, and then he gets to decide whether he's
gonna attack, put the ball on the floor, kick it
out for a shooter, all those different things. So, you know,
it's just unfortunate that the Rockets don't necessarily have another
option to go to to maybe play Jalen and Fred
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a little bit more off ball, and Jalen is capable
of playing off ball as well, but it's fully dependent
on whether or not his SHOT's going in right if
Jalen shots going in, then yeah, you can spot him
up on the three point line, let him take threes,
and he'll definitely punish you. But Jalen's absolutely a rhythm guy.
He needs to feel the ball in his hands. He
needs to be able to kind of you know, work
up a work up, a good lather a little bit
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on the court and kind of you know, I've always
been a firm proponent of Look, if Jalen needs to
take a couple mid range shots or drive to the
rim a little bit, like I don't I'm not worried
so much about the efficiency of some of those like.
Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
Long twos or whatever you normally want.
Speaker 9 (01:45:52):
To shy away from, especially in today's NBA with you know,
such a focus on analytics and all that. Just get
into a good rhythm early and you can usually see
it right when Jalen hits his first, you know, couple
shots of a game. You can almost anticipate when the
good Jalen Green games are going to happen versus the
bad ones where you see maybe misses a couple shots,
or if his first couple attempts are just catching shoot
threes from the perimeter. They don't feel as great as
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when Jalen's actually running the show and orchestrating the offense himself.
Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Yeah, And I mean, you know, of all the other
things you have to contend with in this series is
you know the physicality of it. You know how much
of it is going to go against you, how much
of it is going to benefit you. And these are
things that have played out all throughout it as I mean,
we've seen this be a tightly contested series, even sometimes
the emotions bubbling over. And that's where I want to
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take the conversation next, because me and Gordy talked about
this a little bit earlier because there was something that
happened in Game five that I felt like, oh that
was coached up, that was intentional. And we also know
who the Gray Shirts are for tonight, does it benefit
the Rockets? We'll talk about that here. It is a
Sean Salisbury Show. Jackson Gatlin in for Sean. Here, final
hour and a half of the show here on a
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Sports Talk seven ninety and the.
Speaker 7 (01:47:04):
Sean Salisbury Show continued.
Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
The officially referee assignments are out and the crew chief
tonight James Capers. The referee is Michael Irvin Mitchell Irvin,
excuse me, and JB. DeRosa is going to be the
third official on the floor. So we pretty much knew
that what Tony brother is doing the Pistons and Nick's
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game last night, that he would not be on this one.
But do you think there is any possibility, Jackson, if
we get to Sunday that we get a at least
Tony Brothers sighting. And remember that one year, didn't they
double whammy the Rockets one year of both Tony Brothers
and Scott Foster.
Speaker 9 (01:47:48):
Yeah, that was the dynamic duo at play. Unfortunately for
any NBA fan, you see those two guys walking in
through the door and you're like, you know, you're in
for hell in whatever that game is. Look, my thing
is I just I'm I'm not a fan of Tony
Brothers whatsoever, but he is easily the lesser of two evils.
If somehow Scott Foster comes walking through that door. He's
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been nursing that injury that he got back in I
think like early March. He was actually in the replay
center for I believe game one of this series Rockets Warriors,
and that was unfortunate.
Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
Every time there was a challenge that game, I was like, here.
Speaker 9 (01:48:23):
It goes, Scott Foster is gonna put his fingerprints on
this game. Look, as long as it's not Scott Foster
in Game seven, I will be happy.
Speaker 4 (01:48:31):
I don't know if I.
Speaker 9 (01:48:31):
Can go through the emotional turmoil of another Scott Foster
officiated Game seven between the Houston Rockets and Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
I think it might destroy me. Honestly.
Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Yeah, I don't think we need that type of you know,
bad memories bubbling up or anything else that could possibly happen,
because I mean, you know, as Rockets fans, we've been
through our fair share of Hey, Kevin Durant was out
of bounds, you didn't call it, and you lose that game.
We've had quite a few over the last few years
when it comes to that, and you're hoping that it
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just comes down to the play on the floor. But
part of the play on the floor, though, has been
a little bit of these teams mixing it up with
each other. And I brought this up with Gordy earlier,
and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. I
feel like it was intentional. The other night when you
get the amen Thompson put back, He's fouled, and I
think it was Gary Payton Junior that he was getting
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into it with. And then out of nowhere, here comes
stilling Brooks, that number nine jersey coming through the paint
and telling them nope, pushing him out of the way,
saying we're not doing it, We're not going to do this.
Do you feel like that was talked about before the
game of saying, hey, look, if we're gonna give ourselves
any opportunity, we have to stop doing that stuff.
Speaker 9 (01:49:44):
I don't think that it was necessary, like we need
to stop doing that stuff. I just think there's a
time and a place for it. And for one, it's unbelievable.
You gotta be really like off the deep end for
Dylan Brooks of all people to step in and play peacemaker.
That means like, look, you know, I've I've you know,
seen and been around in men Thompson since he was
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drafted by the Rockets. I remember being at the draft
in New York and and you know, seeing him at
summer camp and kind of learning his story and kind
of where he came from. The dude is a basketball sicko.
The dude is obsessed. Like we're talking Michael Jordan levels
obsessed about like being in a I remember this pre
draft story coming out on him, like the dude would
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go to an open gym with his brother a sar
and they literally just locked themselves in a gym for
hours on end, no music, no vibes, no nothing, just
getting shots of just pure work. That is like like
almost like Joe Missoula level, like serial killer behavior, but
like in a player and you love that.
Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
You love that commitment to the game.
Speaker 9 (01:50:44):
And a Men Thompson's got a bit of like a
dark side to him, Like you've seen it all throughout
the season. He is not afraid to mix it up
with anybody. Shout out to Tyler Harrow. I think you
can still see like the scuff marks on Toyota Center
Court from where uh A Men Thompson ragged alled him
across the floor earlier this season. The Rockets have definitely
in race that mentality from Emo Doka right then, We're
not backing down from anybody. We'll throw hands with anybody
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if we need to. And I think that the Rockets
actually generally play better once a dust up like that happens,
once they kind of get into it with another team
they love it. They relish the physicality of it all.
And in that moment, right a men Thompson he was hyped,
you know, absorbed some contact from GP two, got the
and one possibility and was just he turns out he
was he was actually talking trash GP two, like literally
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all game long. I have a close friend who is
actually at the game and a little bit closer than
where like my media seat is, and apparently like just
all game long that he's talking trash and he's like,
you're not anything. You're trash, your garbage, like all this
stuff all game long. And you love to hear that
kind of stuff because that's how a men Thompson stays
locked in and motivated and engaged.
Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
And I had the chance to ask.
Speaker 9 (01:51:47):
Dylan Brooks after game five, you know, what, what are
you seeing from a men Thompson defensively?
Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
You know, especially in this game?
Speaker 9 (01:51:54):
In game five he had eight stocks, right, so five
steals by five steals by halftime, mind you to go
along with three blocks. He ripped Steph Curry a couple
of times, had one where he blocked Curry from behind.
Just just an absolute menace on that side of the ball.
And Dylan said that he's taken the match up personally, right,
He's going in and he is taking it personally, and
you could see that, you could feel a Men Thompson's
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presence on both sides of the floor there in Game five.
So I don't know if it was necessarily intentional where
the Rockets like made like a team mandate, like hey,
let's you know, let's let's take it easy, let's not
get into it, let's not mix.
Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
It up with the Warriors.
Speaker 9 (01:52:28):
But I think just in that moment, Dylan wanted to
make sure that he kept a Men Thompson focused and
that they didn't start something right then and there, because again,
there's like a time and a place for that stuff
in a game.
Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Well, I mean, you know, to the point that you
just brought up, I mean, you're down three to one.
You don't want to give yourself any opportunity when you've
built up all this momentum in this game. Don't let
those guys back in now. Eventually they did, and you
had to kind of sweat it out there for a
little bit where you're looking at the scoreboard and you're
kind of like, oh man, time's not really on our
side right now. Like even though you don't have the
starters on the floor, you still got to be able
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to try to close this out, and the Rockets were
able to do that. But I mean to your point
about a men, I mean, I feel like that's the
guy that we'd been waiting for all series, because we
saw that guy all throughout the season. You mentioned the
Tyler Hero thing, the rematch of them going up against
each other. He picks Tyler Hero, and there was some
force behind that dunk of like letting you know, like, hey,
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you want to try a trash talk me off the floor.
He wants tell me to go home, do all that
kind of stuff. Guess what, I'm not only going to
throw you to the floor. I'm gonna remind you that
I'm the better guy here. Oh absolutely. And you you
love that.
Speaker 9 (01:53:31):
You love a player who kind of holds a grudge,
has like a little you know, wants a little revenge
in the next meet up between two teams, And I
absolutely amen. Thompson had that matchup circled on his calendar.
He was nursing the ankle injury right before that game.
He missed a couple of games prior, and you kind
of just knew you were like no, he's gonna push
through it, and he's gonna find a way to show
up for this game. There's no way you're gonna keep
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him sidelined for this one in his you know, a
one and only opportunity for a rematch against Tyler Harrow.
But look at his performance in this series, and he's
absolutely settling in. You know, he Let's be honest, he
really struggled. He was pretty bad in games one through three,
after looking like an absolute showstopper in the final regular
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season meeting between these two teams where he held Steph
Curry literally scoreless, Like Steph didn't score on a men
Thompson that finally regular final regular season game, Rockets held
him to just three points, and the three points that
he did score was that kind of like Hail Mary prayer
just before halftime from like center court. Just one of
those you know, normal Steph Curry shots, just ridiculous. But
for a men Thompson, I think it's just you know,
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he's young, right, just like a lot of the other
guys on this team. But he really struggled defensively earlier
in the series, and you know, Steph is is let's
you know, make it very clear nobody is ever a
Steph Curry stopper. There are certain players you just can't
stop them. You make life difficult for them, You try
to make things as hard as humanly possible for them,
and you kind of just also hope that they have
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an off night. And that's that's your best hope against
some of the all time great players, right, And that
is what Steph Curry is. He is an all time great.
There's maybe an argument to be made. I know he
you know, no lists on the show, but maybe maybe
a top ten player all time who knows, Uh, there's
certainly an argument there. And for a men Thompson in
year two of his career to go from kind of
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struggling earlier in this series to really studying, you know,
obviously pouring over film, making adjustments and understanding where he
needs to and where he can improve in in regards
to holding Steph Curry as as the primary defender. He's
gotten so much better as the series has progressed Game four,
so much better. Didn't wasn't biting on the pump fakes,
(01:55:38):
wasn't getting you know, wasn't falling for kind of some
of the craft and the uh, the you know, fakes
and misdirection that Steph has in his game, really staying
glued to him. And then it got even better there
in Game five, where he was he was the aggressor right,
Like you know, usually when you're on defense, right, you're
you're just you're playing defense and you don't want to
play defense like on your heels or anything like that.
But like he was sending a message defensively against Steph
(01:56:00):
Curry in that game, really setting the tone, and I
think that kind of that intensity on defense, as well
as the fact that he's starting to figure some things
out offensively against this Warriors team, it kind of helped
fuel his defense even more, right, because there's an understanding
if you're struggling offensively, you're missing shots, if you're getting
targeted by the Warriors defense because they're basically like, no
(01:56:23):
show us, prove to us that you can be an
offensive threat, which is exactly what happened in Game three.
The Warriors put so much attention on Jalen Green on
the perimeter, sending two to the ball.
Speaker 4 (01:56:32):
Blitzing him.
Speaker 9 (01:56:33):
The Rockets got a lot of opportunities for like these
four on three power plays with Alphain shingoun or men
Thompson being on the receiving end of a pass from
Jalen Green, where the Warriors were sent in two weight
like sometimes all the way out to like half court,
just trying to force the ball out of his hands.
And then those two guys in particular really struggled in
Game three to capitalize on those opportunities. And I think
it was kind of like second half end of Game
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four more so where Amn Thompson really started to settle
and you could see he's like, Okay, this is how
I'm going to attack Quentin Post. This is how I'm
gonna attack if somebody else is guarding me. This is
what I can do in transition. And then he took
that to a completely another level in Game five where
he was just incredible. The stat line that he had
there in Game five, I'm going off rip from memory,
but I think it was twenty five points the eight stocks,
(01:57:18):
so eight five steels, three blocks, six rebounds, three assists,
and three turnovers. He's only the third player in NBA
Playoff history to record that specific stat line, certainly the
youngest to have done it. In the other two names
Rick Berry and Houston's own Achim Olajuan that's some elite
company to be mentioned with in just your fifth playoff
game ever in your career and just in year two
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of your career.
Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
Just absurd.
Speaker 3 (01:57:43):
Yeah, I mean easily, if you're in a company with
those guys, you're you're doing things right early on in
your career and hopefully it just continues for a men
Thompson being proactive in this series. That's something that one
side has done really well and the Rockets are hoping
they can do that tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:58:00):
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Ninety all throughout this series, you know, just to kind
of close out this hour here, we've seen Steve Kerr
and the Warriors make adjustments and they worked out well.
Obviously Game three they took away Jalen Green. We've seen
different lineups thrown out there in different ways of using
guys in rotation, and it felt like that again to
(01:59:15):
me that in Game five, this was a Rockets team
offensively that said, hey, we've got to get back to
physicality offensively, we got to get inside. No more getting
pushed off the spot and having to settle for you know,
a mid ranger and maybe it goes down, maybe it doesn't,
but you give yourself a chance at the rim, you've
got a much better chance. What ways, can ema Udoka
(01:59:37):
and his staff be proactive tonight against the Warriors of
trying to take them off their game?
Speaker 9 (01:59:42):
Yeah, I think you look at some of the success
from Game five and I you know, I don't want
to take anything away from the Rockets. But the Warriors
went into that game with like this really weird mentality
of like, I think you've heard an interview like before
the game and might I don't know if it was
like his pregame interviews officially, it might have been like
a radio interview or something, but he they basically went
into the the game with the mentality of, yeah, well,
like if things don't go our way, you know, we'll
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rest our guys, and you know, we'll get ready for
Game six. It's like that's a losing mentality to go
into Game five with to begin with, Like why not
just actually show up and try and take care of business?
Speaker 5 (02:00:12):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
And that's that's what got them.
Speaker 9 (02:00:14):
You know, a couple of years ago when they had
their first round series with the Sacramento Kings, they didn't
take care of business in in game in game six
of that series, and it's kind of a repeat of
what happened for them here in Game five against Houston
is you know, you you give a team life and
so credit to the Rockets. They played incredible and I
think that's what, you know, put the Warriors on their heels,
(02:00:35):
and you saw Steve Kerr, you know, halfway through the
third quarter waving the white flag and moving on completely
until we saw like the weird third string push. That
was such a weird playoff game scenario. But I think that,
you know, it's it shows a little bit of cockiness
right from the Warriors that they just thought it just
we'll just go home and we'll just take care of
business in Game six. Like, this Rockets team has shown
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that they are capable of beating good teams on the road.
They're the only team in the NBA this season that
managed to beat both the OKC Thunder and the Cleveland
Cavaliers throughout the entire calendar campaign, and they beat both
of those teams on their home court. Right those are
the two best teams in the entire NBA, and they
rose to the occasion they were able to do that.
So you're telling me you don't think that the Rockets
(02:01:17):
can go to the Bay and take game there. I
think they absolutely can. And you start looking at little areas,
you know, the margins the big thing for me, and
think something that stood out that was glaringly obvious that
they needed to find a way to improve. After Games
three and four in San Francisco, they let the Warriors
beat them in second chance points, and that just flat
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out cannot happen. One, they're rolling out an incredibly tiny
starting lineup, right, You got Draymond Green at the five,
and he's all of a towering six foot five. Now,
granted he's one of the greatest defenders of all time,
give him that, but they're running this really small, versatile
lineup really hoping to stretch the Rockets defense out. That's
why they inserted Buddy Healed these past couple of games.
You know, he had the really great game three well
off the bench, and so then he gets the starting
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nod from Steve Kerr the next couple of games for
the Rockets, though, in that third and fourth game of
the series, you know, they built an entire identity off
of second chance points, offensive rebounds all season long, that physicality,
and they just didn't take care of that in games
three and four. And you cannot lose that. That's one
of the Rockets win conditions is you need to generate
those second chance points and get those kickouts and extra
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offensive opportunities, especially when you struggle to shoot the ball
as much as they do.
Speaker 3 (02:02:28):
Unfortunately, Yeah, and it was a points in the paint
battle of fifty four to fifty four in Game five,
and the Warrior is only able to edge them out
fifteen to thirteen and second or fast break points in
that game five. But I mean, you know, for all
the things you talked about, I mean, rebounding, second chance opportunities,
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all those things, that's what the Rockets have to live
off of, and hopefully they are able to take advantage
of those spots tonight. A little bit of a difference
in the rotation that we saw in game five, see
if it translates over to game six tonight. We'll discuss
that here again. Jackson Gatlin in studio with us here
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five thirty Again. Jackson Gatlin locked on Rockets Podcast join
us here in studio for another hour, and you can
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find him on Twitter at j T Gatlin. He's got
that blue check mark, so you know it's him. I mean,
you know, sometimes people get drawn off sides by that
now because I mean, you know, obviously you can you
can buy the blue check mark, but you know it's
usually for those of you know, if anybody ever throws
out news, oh my god, hey did you see this? Yeah,
that's Adam she Flir, not to Adam Schefter. There's a
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major difference.
Speaker 9 (02:05:03):
You know, I don't know if this is this is
gonna I don't know if this is gonna sound so
pathetic or not, But there was like a moment like
earlier on in my career, like kind of making a
name for myself, like kind of coming up the ropes
of like talking about the Rockets and covering the team
and whatnot. That Like I remember the morning I woke
up and had the check mark and like a bunch
of people were like tagging me on Twitter like oh
my god, he got the check And it was like
kind of a cool moment, right because like that was
like the signifying like hey, like you're legit, right, Like
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I remember kind of aspiring to some other guys like
like MT or the Atoms and wanting to get to
that level of like being like, you know, hey, I'm
official enough that like and now it's just like a thing,
and so it doesn't even like I don't even put
any stock into it anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:05:39):
You're you're You're verified. You're you're verified in the church
that is Twitter. It is a church to some people.
You know that it's also a cult to some people.
Actually unfortunately true, Yes, you know that to be the fact, absolutely, uh.
But you know, one of the things that I did
want to talk about in this segment is Aaron Holliday,
And I know that just a name alone it does
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do a ton for people. But I mean this has
been a series where em had been pretty much running
his starting five and then you get some variation of
Jabbari Tari and Steven Adams off the bench. But Game
five you saw sixteen minutes out of Aaron Holiday, and
you saw him be able to do some good things
when he finishes minus six and the plus minus but
(02:06:20):
still nine points out of him able to give you
some good things both on the offensive and defensive end.
Speaker 4 (02:06:26):
I mean, do we go to nine now?
Speaker 3 (02:06:28):
I mean, is that you know where we're gonna see
number zero coming off the bench tonight for the Rockets.
Speaker 9 (02:06:34):
You know, I think with Aaron Holiday, it's tough because
he he has been phenomenal for the Rockets in the
regular season, and he's great I think in certain spot
minutes and I think you could see he may pivot
to Holiday if the Rockets are really struggling to hit
their outside shots early in Game six. You know, he
is very similar to like Fred van Vliet in the
way that they're both you know, you know, I don't
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wanna Halliday is not quite as stout as Fred is. Defensively,
but he can hold his own and he can navigate
a screen, and he can you know, he's a decent
guy to you know, have if you need to throw
out there and have another fresh body to maybe chase
Steph Curry around a little bit on the perimeter, and
then offensively, you know, he's not going to be a
primary ball handler. He's not going to be a guy
that you really want running pick and roll with, you know,
Shangoon or Adams or really trying to initiate the offense.
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So you have to kind of pair his minutes either
with Fred or with Jalen or at the very least
with Amen Thompson, so that you do have a primary
ball handler on the floor, letting air and just kind
of spot up knock down the open threes. That's more
or less his role again, could see it, But I
also kind of think that Ema is just going to
continue to play, you know, the eight man rotation that
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he's been leaning on for me. I just want to
see how much more of the double big lineup he
can actually go to because Adams has been so impactful
in his minutes when he's on the floor, he and
al Brin, Shangoon in I think it's like fifty four
minutes played together in this series, they're plus thirty two
on the floor together, and that dominance those two guys
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in particular, a lot of it coincides with the non
Steph Curry minutes. Right as soon as Curry heads to
the bench, Udoka tries to you know, immediately get to
that double big lineup. They play the zone defense, and
that really really messes with Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (02:08:14):
Right, Jimmy Butler's a guy.
Speaker 9 (02:08:15):
His entire play style is you know, oftentimes predicated on
you know, picking on or playing bully ball against smaller guys. Right,
He'll hunt for a switch, he'll get the mismatch he wants,
whether it's on Jalen Green or Fred van Vlie, which
you know, I think every time Jimmy Butler's tried to
post up Fred this series, I think he's tried to
back him down and be like, man, what who is
this guy? He's a little stronger than I thought he'd be.
(02:08:36):
But that's the credit to Fred and his defense, and
you know, he puts in a lot of work and
he is a very strong guard despite not being the
most imposing, towering presence on the floor. You're not gonna
back Fred down, You're not gonna get one over on
him in the post. And so that zone defense really
kills the Warriors offensive flow. They're momentum whenever they go
to those non Curry minutes. But they've actually run it
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even in some of those minutes where Steph Curry has
been on the floor, and they've actually been decent enough
doing it, in large part because when the Rockets run
that zone defense, they generally have two really great, you know,
almost premiere perimeter defenders at the top of that two
three zone, whether it's you know, Men Thompson and Tarry
Eason or a Men Thompson and Fred Van Vliet, or
even even Jalen Green has been like surprisingly good defensively
(02:09:21):
this series, especially in matchups where he's guarding Steph one
on one. I think he's actually, you know, he's got
the foot speed, the quickness, the athleticism to really stick
with Steph and it's just about maintaining that defensive discipline.
Although a Men and Fred Vanvliet have by far been
the two best defenders this series against him.
Speaker 3 (02:09:37):
How about early in Game five where you see Draymond
trying to body up Jalen Green and Green holding his
ground right there. Like when I saw that, I was
kind of like, this might be a different night if
that's the way that this is gonna go.
Speaker 4 (02:09:50):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 9 (02:09:50):
And you know, I think that, you know, the Rockets
really don't have necessarily a weak link anywhere defensively on
the roster. And that's a test that's just a testament
to the amount of work that Jalen Green and Alprin
Shangoon have both put in because they did they did,
like I remember them being on the Slam magazine cover
a while back when they did the interview for that.
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Alp definitely put himself and Jalen on blast when they
did like the little ten minute interview segment. He's like, yeah,
when we first got here, you know, Jalen and I,
we just cared about getting buckets.
Speaker 4 (02:10:19):
We didn't want to play defense.
Speaker 9 (02:10:20):
And and you know, Jalen was like, chill, chill, you
can't play You can't put that out there, and so, uh,
Dylan and Fred both got a good laugh out of that.
Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
And it is true, right like you go back to
some of the Silas.
Speaker 9 (02:10:30):
Years, you know, the lean years during the rebuild, and
you know there wasn't really a ton of you know, structure, culture,
accountability is certainly not on the defense side of the basketball.
And so now you're, you know, fast forward a few
years and you're at a place where both Jalen and
Shingun have had a lot of success defensively at times.
Jalen's defensive numbers in isolation this season have been really great,
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and the biggest one has been alprin Shangoon. You know,
from the moment that he got drafted, people saw, okay,
you know, slow footed, European big like, you know, he's
gonna barbecue chicken defensively, and there was this whole narrative
around him from the moment that he was drafted. You're
never gonna be able to win with him. He's gonna
get played off the floor. He's gonna get you know,
he's not a sixteen game player. He's gonna struggle in
the playoffs. He has been flat out dominant in four
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out of the five games for the Rockets in the series.
You go and look, if you pull up like the
Rockets like ESPN stats page or whatever, alper n Chingun's
leading the Rockets in every category, every statistical category of
the series except for block shots. Like he's leading points,
he's leading a rebounds, he's leading an assists, and he's
leading in steals. That is absolutely absurd to think about
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what he's doing here in just year four of his career,
his first taste of playoff basketball, and the biggest thing
to me has been his defense in this series, right,
this Warriors team is like almost like just built top
to bottom to play a player like alper N changoon
off the floor with their three point shooting, their floor spacing,
their ball movement, and Alpi has absolutely held his own.
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There's moments where he gets like, you know, unfortunately accident
whatever you want to call it, switched on to Steph Curry,
and you know, Steph is so adept at like burning
big men. You put him on an island and then
he you know, he gets to work and cooks them.
Shinguhn has done a great job of just like there
are possessions where he just face guards stuff and Steph
can't even get the ball. Like that's that's the impressive
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thing about Alp and kind of his growth defensively to
where he hasn't been played off the floor in this series,
and that is is huge for the Rockets.
Speaker 3 (02:12:23):
Well it's also you know, at least they don't have
Charles Barkley saying they can't guard a chair and like
that was said about Luca Taylor Knights. I mean, now,
as soon as I heard that line, I was like, man,
that's that's a good one.
Speaker 4 (02:12:35):
They're they're from Chuck, But.
Speaker 9 (02:12:37):
That's an upgrade from can't guard a traffic cone. I
like that, can't guard a chair. That's pretty good. Yeah,
I haven't heard the traffic cone one. That's that's that's
a new one for me.
Speaker 3 (02:12:44):
But I mean no, and that's that's kind of an
interesting point brought up by you of you know, where
these guys were early on in their NBA development. It's
you know, defense, that's not why you're here. But then
Imy Doka got here and he said, no, that's that's
how you're gonna stay on the floor. If if, if
you're going to be counted on, you have to have
that part of your game.
Speaker 4 (02:13:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (02:13:04):
Absolutely, and I mean you're you're seeing it. You know,
credit to Udoka who kind of fostered this entire environment,
you know, the past couple of years. But you know,
thinking back to year one with em they went forty
one and forty one, but you saw games where you know,
guys would get benched at the end of the game,
like if you weren't if you were a defensive liability,
if you weren't locked in, if you weren't playing to
the best of your ability on that end of the floor,
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you weren't getting minutes under em. And so they had
to learn how to play defense. They had to grow in.
And give credit to em right, he was he was patient.
He gave them a lot of rope and time to
learn and grow and adapt to those roles. But you know,
it's it's that environment that he's fostered that's led them
to get to the place where you know, they finished
a top ten defense last season, and then you know,
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after that season, I was like, all right, I don't
want to hear anything more about alperriinch and Goon can't
be a good defender. He was the defensive anchor the
five on a top ten defense. And then they doubled
down and they finished as a top five, top five
defense this season. And you know that I don't think
anybody could have predicted that that would have been an
outcome for him. If you you know, rewind the clock
and go all the way back to draft day when
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the Houston Rockets originally selected him.
Speaker 3 (02:14:09):
For sure, it's been a lot of fun to see
those two guys grow, and you continue to hope that
you excuse me, get to see them get even better
on that end of the floor against seven one three,
two two five, seven ninety, the number to get in
on the phone lines will continue the conversation because, I mean,
whether we like it or not, Jackson, there will be
an off season, and this is going to be an
(02:14:30):
interesting off season for the Rockets. But with something signaled
that yesterday that might lead you to believe it's not
going to go the way that some people hope. We
will discuss that here. It is the Sean Salisbury Show
without Sean, but we continue on here Sports Talk seven ninety.
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Speaker 4 (02:14:50):
Good morning, Brandon, How you doing, buddy.
Speaker 14 (02:14:52):
I'm sorry I was there and.
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You lost internet? All right? Well, I mean you've still got.
Speaker 14 (02:14:58):
Us right, yeah, but I was trying to listen to
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Ah well, I mean that's why we need to get
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Speaker 4 (02:15:25):
Buddy.
Speaker 14 (02:15:26):
We need to even in this series and.
Speaker 1 (02:15:29):
Not go home.
Speaker 3 (02:15:30):
I like the way you think, well, we do want
to come home, but we want to come home to
still play a basketball.
Speaker 14 (02:15:35):
Game, right, I said that, we don't want to go
home for good.
Speaker 4 (02:15:39):
There you go, there you go?
Speaker 3 (02:15:40):
Okay, all right, I got you there, I got you there,
I got you there. You feeling good about the game tonight?
Speaker 14 (02:15:46):
Yes, I won't be here. I'll be here, but I won't.
Speaker 4 (02:15:51):
Be here tonight, gotcha, gotcha? So you can be watching
it somewhere at the hotel.
Speaker 3 (02:15:56):
Okay, all right, so you are feeling good about it? Yes, awesome, man.
It's gonna be just after eight tonight is the start,
but we'll have launch Pad over on.
Speaker 4 (02:16:14):
TV.
Speaker 3 (02:16:14):
It's gonna be on ESPN, but of course you know,
Matt's gonna be on news radio seven forty KRH.
Speaker 4 (02:16:19):
So that's how you can listen to.
Speaker 14 (02:16:20):
Us there, and Astros is gonna be on this.
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Yeah, we'll be we'll be here on seven ninety astros
well and then we'll join in progress after I wrap
up the tenth Inning Show.
Speaker 14 (02:16:33):
You doing the ten Indian Show.
Speaker 4 (02:16:34):
I'm doing ten Inenning tonight.
Speaker 8 (02:16:35):
You know it?
Speaker 14 (02:16:37):
You know what I know? A Hey, sorry, we watch there?
Speaker 4 (02:16:42):
Awesome?
Speaker 3 (02:16:43):
Well, now you know what we you always know where
to find us. We always know we can count on you, Brandon,
and hopefully on Monday. We're reacting to uh, not only
a game seven, but it talking about the Rockets moving on.
Speaker 4 (02:16:55):
Does that sound like a deal.
Speaker 9 (02:16:56):
We can move on.
Speaker 4 (02:16:58):
That's it, that's it. I like your it's Brandon.
Speaker 14 (02:17:01):
What did New York? Did you see New York wan?
Speaker 4 (02:17:04):
I've just seen highlights of it. I didn't. I didn't
watch the game with them in Detroit.
Speaker 14 (02:17:08):
Now New York won, Oliver to the Detroit yep, yep.
Now even the series?
Speaker 3 (02:17:18):
Do are you asking about the Rockets now? No, Pittson,
Oh well, I mean if Detroit had won, they would
have evened it up. But series is over. New York
won four two.
Speaker 4 (02:17:29):
Oh nice, there you go. Now they get the Celtics.
Speaker 14 (02:17:33):
The they love power at the.
Speaker 4 (02:17:38):
Oh that's no good. Yeah, we had some gnarly storms
up there.
Speaker 14 (02:17:41):
Man, Hey, come, you guys should come to Conrad.
Speaker 4 (02:17:47):
We will, man, we will my.
Speaker 3 (02:17:49):
My, my future mother and father in law live right
there in Montgomery, so we're we're up there quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (02:17:54):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:17:55):
We'll we'll track you down. Okay, okay, all right, man,
have a good weekend. I'm sorry.
Speaker 14 (02:18:01):
Where's Sean today?
Speaker 4 (02:18:02):
Oh, Sean's just out today. He'll he'll be back on Monday.
Speaker 14 (02:18:05):
You know he's who's there with you?
Speaker 4 (02:18:08):
Jackson Gatlin from Locked on Rockets? What's up?
Speaker 1 (02:18:11):
Brandon?
Speaker 14 (02:18:12):
Hey, Jackson? How are you?
Speaker 4 (02:18:14):
I'm doing great, man, It's good to hear.
Speaker 14 (02:18:15):
From you, like I'm doing a seven ninety show.
Speaker 4 (02:18:19):
There you go, what's us. I've been here before.
Speaker 9 (02:18:22):
I used to be a producer for seven ninety, back
in the day when I was getting my when I
was cutting my teeth in the industry.
Speaker 4 (02:18:27):
So I'm I'm very familiar with these studios.
Speaker 14 (02:18:31):
Okay, Monday, He'll be back.
Speaker 4 (02:18:35):
Monday, and we we know we can count on you
on Monday. All right, Brandon, let's.
Speaker 14 (02:18:40):
Get this when and even this series and let's go
home or with the when again.
Speaker 3 (02:18:46):
There you go, that's a walk off right there. You're
a good man, Brandon, have a good weekend. We'll talk
to you on Monday. Okay, there you go. You know,
see you, buddy. We always know we can count on
Brandon and and Brandon, Brandon bringing the positivity this morning.
Speaker 4 (02:19:01):
We need the good vibe. I said, we're getting the
win and getting another win and moving on.
Speaker 1 (02:19:06):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:19:08):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (02:19:08):
He's bringing it. He's bringing it. He is ready to
go for tonight, firing us up. So appreciate you doing
that for us this morning, Brandon, real quick here, and
maybe we can can even carry this over if the
conversation continues. But I mean we do this all the
time as sports fans, like we're never we're never fine
with is staying like right in the present moment. And
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I mean more often than not, Jackson, you know this
kind of is you know, I was talking about it
earlier with Gordy. This shows itself in college football where
it's you know, hey, we've got these guys, but you know,
look at that crew of five stars we've got in
the coach right right. The coach isn't playing them yet,
but now it's their time and they're gonna have their chance.
And you know, Arch Manning is gonna win the Heisman
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this year and all all of these other things. Well,
where I'm going with this is that we're seemingly already
doing this with the Rockets of there is going to
be an offseason. There is going to be you know,
Ema Udoka and Rafelstone up at the podium talking about
the season that was. We hope that it is at
the end and that there is a third Larry O'Brien
Trophy in the facility just right around the corner from here,
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but more than likely that's not going to be the case.
Speaker 4 (02:20:18):
But those questions will be asked.
Speaker 3 (02:20:20):
And Tim McMahon seemingly is already on it from ESPN
talking with them a Udoka and talking about, you know,
the idea of trading core players for a superstar, and
he says, to try to expedite the process by going
out and getting one piece now is kind of doing
a disservice to all that we've talked about coming into it.
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That's our vision, and I think the playoffs this year
will give us a good picture of that and put
guys in different situations and high pressure situations to see
how they react to it. So it's not like he's
saying they're not going to do it, But I mean,
I think we can agree here, and me and Sean
talked about this a little bit yesterday. Not going to
make a move for the sake of making a move
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this offseason, but can me and you agree they're going
to have to upgrade this team offensively going forward.
Speaker 9 (02:21:08):
You know, I think that's that's probably the most likely outcome.
And it's really unfortunate because I think that the hope
this year especially was well really the hope was going
to be, you know, last year, they wanted to make
a playoff push, right, get to the play in tournament
and give all these young guys a quick, you know taste,
even if it was just one or two play in
tournament games, right you squeak into the tenth seed, get
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some of those data points on what some of these
guys look like in those high pressure situations in postseason basketball.
Whether you believe the play in tournament is akin to
you know, an actual playoff series, they are you know,
different single elimination kind of you know environments. But you know,
I think it's unfortunate that they missed out on that
first window to get some data on these guys and
how they would perform in those circumstances going into this series,
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and kind of you look at the overwhelming success of
this season, right, rockets far surpassed any level of expectations
that were set for them.
Speaker 1 (02:21:58):
Now.
Speaker 9 (02:21:58):
I had them pegged as like probably flirting with like
the top end of the playing bracket this season, maybe
like a fifth or sixth seed if things broke really
really well for them, and they finished the two seed,
and they were largely the two seeds for most of
the season except for that little, you know blip where
they lost six in a row. They started you know,
floundering for a minute there, and then they found their
way back up to the top of the West. So
I understand the desire and in you know, lots of
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different lots of different conversations that I've had, you know,
with guys in and around the organization, around the team,
they are very proud of what they've built. They're very
bought into the you know potential of this core group,
of the core seven, of all the young guys that
they have on their roster. That being said, you know,
I don't see how you could potentially walk away from
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this series and not immediately say, okay, well, clearly the
defense is legit. Clearly we are like one offensive piece
away from being legitimate contenders.
Speaker 15 (02:22:51):
Right.
Speaker 9 (02:22:51):
You mentioned the Larry O'Brien Trophy, and that's that's fun
to think about, but realistically, right, it feels like this
team is maybe one piece away. But the thing is, right,
it doesn't have to necessarily be a piece that you
go outside and get, right, it could be you know,
we've I've talked about this a lot. This team very
much feels like they are a Jalen Green leap away.
And this season, Jalen did a much better job again,
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you know, eliminating the inconsistency, right, eliminating some of the
low the low games. But I think you look at
some of the players in this series, right, they're they're
incredibly high on a men Thompson. They really believe like
he's the star of the future. You see what have
been what alprin Chinggoon's done in this series. And Jalen's
been kind of that variable of like, all right, what
are you gonna show us? Right, he gave us the
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great game two? What else do you have in the tank?
Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
Right?
Speaker 9 (02:23:39):
Can he show up and give a big game six?
And then potentially right be impactful in game seven. And
I think if you do that, if you're Jalen Green
and you show up in a big way in Game
six and help secure that win, push the series to seven,
and then show up again in game seven, even regardless
of the outcome, if you play well in three of us,
you know, three out of seven games in a series
for your first playoff of parents, I think that you
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look at it, you know, as an overwhelming success for
this season and for him personally, and what that means for,
you know, kind of building the team going forward and
whether or not you hope that he's the in house
piece or if you have to go get a piece
from somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (02:24:13):
Yeah, I mean these are things that obviously will be
talked about all throughout the off season, and you know
there's gonna be the Jonas conversation. Is he somebody that
you know he's gonna one out of Milwaukee? I've said that.
I think that's that's a storyline this offseason that I mean,
why would you stay there if you're him? You're not
gonna have Damian Lillard next year? Obviously for the cheese curd,
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that's what you still of course, But I mean, you know,
the Greek food is much better here. You know, we
all know that for sure, and his wife went to Rice.
It's built in here, you know, come back to Houston.
The food's better here anyway, the weather's better. Can you
have Alpha, Rin, Schangun and Yannis on the same team?
That becomes the question would become the question for sure,
and you gotta trade out for it if you're going
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to bring the guy here to Houston. So the the
things we can continue to talk about here, Ray, John,
see you guys right there if you want to join
them seven one three two one two five seven ninety
against seven one three two one two five seven ninety is.
So we'll continue with the Rockets talk because this guy
an absolute factor in this game.
Speaker 4 (02:25:15):
Tonight we'll talk about him here. It is a Shawn
Salisbury show.
Speaker 3 (02:25:19):
I had to wear the Shawn Soundsbury Show. Continued, Ray,
You've been patiently waiting, appreciate it. Good morning, Ray, how
you doing?
Speaker 15 (02:25:29):
Hey, good morning, Good morning, regular caller. Always nice to
call and speak with you guys. But I want to
make a comment about the Rockets and I'll hang up
and see what you guys have to say.
Speaker 1 (02:25:40):
About it.
Speaker 15 (02:25:40):
But I don't like the demeanor that Golden State came
out with in Game five. It came off as and
I'll put this on my social media too, it came
off to me as as arrogant and and overconfident. They
they they barely played, and they played as if they knew, Hey,
get we got game six in the bag and we'll
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close them out at home.
Speaker 1 (02:26:02):
And I didn't like it.
Speaker 15 (02:26:03):
Uh, And I think Emi Adulkuld probably would will bring
it to the Rockets attention as well, that that you know,
those guys played as if they think they knew that
they would probably close you guys out at chase them,
So you need to take that person. I just don't
like it that as they came out. That's very cocky
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to me and arrogant. And I think the Rockets will
win tonight. Uh, just make your free throws. The games
of Rockets have won, it's been blowouts. The games that
go to the State have won have been narrow victories
that should have been won by the Rockets. Have they
did a couple of things better? I think they will,
and I think they'll win tonight and we'll play Game
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seven out here on Sunday but I hang up and listen,
you guys.
Speaker 1 (02:26:46):
Have a great day.
Speaker 4 (02:26:46):
I appreciate the call.
Speaker 16 (02:26:47):
Ray.
Speaker 3 (02:26:47):
I mean, is there power in I guess ignorance in
that case where you know, all this series people talking about, oh,
Golden State's got the experience, And I mean, I'm sure
that they went out with the intentions of trying to
close it out in game five, but then again, it's like,
all right, give ourselves a runway here. If it doesn't
work out, we still got two other opportunities. I mean,
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it almost kind of feels like just how precious these
games are that if that's what this comes down to,
you're kind of like, I don't feel bad for them,
Like you known how this is supposed to go.
Speaker 4 (02:27:19):
You know that you lose a game, it's not guaranteed
you're winning the next one.
Speaker 3 (02:27:23):
Like, I mean, I think Ray's kind of got a
point right there, Like, if that's the case for the
Rockets tonight, just say, hey, we should have won one
of these two games, maybe even both of them on
this floor and been able to handle business a lot earlier.
Speaker 9 (02:27:37):
No, absolutely, And I think Ray brings up a fantastic
set of points there, right. There's a lot of reasons
to be confident going into this Game six. I know,
you know, didn't want to be down three one. That's
never where anybody wants to be in a series. You know,
all time in NBA history, only thirteen teams have ever
come back from being down three to one. Now, shout
out to the Houston Rockets. They've done it twice in there,
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back in nineteen ninety five and then again in twenties
twenty sixteen Clippers Series fifteen. There, thank you, And you know,
I think that he has a great point, right, as
a member of the team, you've absolutely got to take
that personally, right. Warriors went out there and they thought
that they could trot it out and you know, maybe
just kind of go through the motions a little bit
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in Game five and maybe steal one on the road.
But Rockets came out. They were the aggressors, right, They
were the ones defending home court. They were the ones
playing like their season was on the line, because it
literally was. It was it was win or stay home
at that point. And I do think that Email will
absolutely be the guy that you know, highlights and shows
them Hey, all right, So they thought they could mess
around and and you know, not take Game five seriously.
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They wanted to rest up. You know, Kerr pulled to
start car. I thought it was interesting that that Draymond
Green apparently had to I guess beg a Steve Kerr
to let the starters like have another crack at it.
I'm guessing Kerr wanted to like sit the starters at halftime,
just come back out with the third stringers and just
completely fold the game. But Draymond convinced him, Hey, let
us play for five minutes in the third courts and
see if we can cut into this lead a little bit.
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And then when they didn't, that's when they you know,
wave the white flag went to the third stringers. But yeah,
I think it's a dangerous game if you're the Warriors, right,
you give the Rockets life, you give them momentum, you
give them a reason for optimism after a really dominant
Game five performance, and there's something to be said for
the confidence factor at play.
Speaker 17 (02:29:18):
Right.
Speaker 9 (02:29:18):
Yeah we've got Steph Curry. Yeah, you got Jimmy Butler,
like Draymond, you know, experienced head coach and Steve Kerr.
But some of that stuff doesn't matter, Like if you
just I think the NBA and especially like playoff basketball. Right,
these one game samples can be so volatile. Right, you
have a game night where the Rockets shoot the way
they did in Game five again and Steph Curry struggles,
Jimmy Butler looks awful like you did in Game five.
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You do that one more time, and it's a distinct possibility. Right,
You never know what's gonna happen in a one game scenario.
Then you're playing with fire. And then I firmly believe
that if this series gets to a game seven, right,
if the Rockets can come out on top in game six,
they're winning this thing in seven. They're not losing a
Game seven on their home court.
Speaker 4 (02:29:58):
They're just not.
Speaker 9 (02:29:59):
They've been so much better on their home court. Outside
of the first half of like Game one, they've been
great on their home court.
Speaker 3 (02:30:07):
Yeah, no doubt about it. And you hope that you
get that opportunity on Sunday to be able to prove that.
And you would think, I mean, especially to your point,
how well they've played there at Toyota Center. It's just
it's also too it's just get there, get there early.
I mean, that's that's the.
Speaker 4 (02:30:22):
Part of it too.
Speaker 3 (02:30:23):
I saw that you had that tweet and I see
that the other night as I'm watching the game, I'm like,
this is the seasons on the line.
Speaker 4 (02:30:29):
Where are y'all?
Speaker 14 (02:30:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:30:31):
Yeah, And look I get it. I've been there too, right.
Speaker 9 (02:30:33):
It sucks, you know you're getting off work at you know,
five maybe six o'clock whatever, and it was it was
an an early tip off right on a Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (02:30:39):
So six thirty pm tip is never like tat.
Speaker 9 (02:30:42):
I know, we like those better, but just from a
consumer standpoint, like it just trying to make it from work,
and like, you know, even if you I remember, you know,
back when I you know, still worked like a quote
unquote day job, right and wasn't doing sports full time.
I remember trying to you know, make it to games
downtown TC, and you know I would just I would
take my change of clothes with me. I'd take my
Rockets swag throat in the car and just change into that,
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you know, on the way or right after work, and
just make it my priority to get there as soon
as possible. I like to be in there right, wind,
doors open, right, I like being able to walk around
the concourse a little bit, check out the team shop
to you know, get myself whatever you know, refreshments I wanted,
and then settle into my seat. I know not everybody's
like that, though, And you know we've talked about this
time and time again with attendance, you know, further rockets
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at Toyota Center.
Speaker 4 (02:31:26):
I get it.
Speaker 9 (02:31:27):
During regular season games, right, you don't want to show
up on time, or you show up, you know, midway
through the first quarter or whatever. I get it, Traffic,
all sorts of other responsibilities. But we got to find
a way to figure this out for the playoffs, man, Like,
you got to show out for this team. They finished
two seed. They're going toe to toe with one of
their greatest rival rivals of all time in the Golden
State Warriors.
Speaker 14 (02:31:45):
Like.
Speaker 9 (02:31:45):
The fact that the Toyda Center was that empty was
a little disappointing to me to see Wednesday night.
Speaker 3 (02:31:50):
I was like, these guys post for you, post for
them real quick. Let's get John on the northwest side
in John, good morning, how you doing?
Speaker 17 (02:31:59):
Hey, good morning man, I see you gotta get something
to show.
Speaker 4 (02:32:03):
Mister Jackson, Yes, sir, what's up? John?
Speaker 17 (02:32:07):
Yes, sir, mister Jackson. And Dan listen, man, I'm pretty
comfortable in saying that tonight that Golden State is gonna
mug the Rockets more than they have mugged him in
the last o four games, because they cannot beat the Rockets.
If the Rockets is running up and down the court
using the athleticism and then youth, they can't do that.
Speaker 1 (02:32:27):
There's no way they.
Speaker 2 (02:32:28):
Can do that.
Speaker 7 (02:32:29):
And you know, I wonder I would think that o'doka knows.
Speaker 17 (02:32:32):
That that is the game plan, and so I think that,
you know, the Rockets, they have to be ready now
for all this banging and dirty play and everything else
and take the opportunity every time they get it to
run up and down that court and score the rock
You know, I'm not biased, but I'm telling that the
Rockets have all kinds of talent on this team. Far
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as I'm concerned, they should have already swept this talkcomne team.
But I give them a break because they are young,
and I didn't really think that the playoff treasure was
really gonna bother them, but I see it did. They
run around and there like a chicken with their head
cut off when it comes to offense. But now it's
time to get mentally right, go on up there and
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beat them. And the thing that what kurr did the
other day pulling this team out. Kurve came here already
thinking we can't beat this team tonight.
Speaker 7 (02:33:27):
That is very, very weak.
Speaker 17 (02:33:29):
And I think the young Rockets and the coaches they
should be able to see that they saving it all
their old energy because they oh, they saving the energy
for the night the Rockets plant to take it to them.
What's y'all opinion on that, Man, have a good day.
Speaker 3 (02:33:44):
I appreciate the call, John. I mean, look, it's getting
back to the point that I brought up earlier of
you have a chance to close out, you close out.
It's the same thing in baseball, I mean all the time.
The other night the Astros put Josh Hater in with
a four run lead. All, why would Joe do that? Well,
because they're still within striking distance enough that they can
get a rally going and they and they can beat you.
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Make sure you don't do that. I just I kind
of feel like it's one of those you know, another
baseball example, you want to give the Rockets and out.
You gave them an out, Now start a rally, have
a chance.
Speaker 4 (02:34:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (02:34:16):
I think that again, huge mistake by Golden State to
not at least take Game five a bit more seriously
than what they did, and I fully agree with John
like this, this game six is going to be brutal.
Like that was the benefit of Game five is I
think that was the most favorable whistle that we saw
the Rockets get all series up to that point. This
Rockets team is incredibly physical, and I do think the
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the kind of tone of the series across the first
four games did favor the Rockets largely with a lot
of the stuff that.
Speaker 4 (02:34:44):
Doesn't get called.
Speaker 9 (02:34:45):
And look, I know that you know, as fans, you're
watching the games, and you know generally we're looking at
these things through red tinted shades, and you just want
to look at all the times where Rockets got cheap
shotted or you know, player gets held or bumped and
no fouls are being called or whatnot. But the the
inverse of that is the Rockets are getting away with
a lot of stuff on the Warriors too. They're getting
away with a lot of grabbing and holding and being
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physical with Steph Curry because that's what you gotta do,
right you gotta grab his jersey, hold his arm, hook
him around, you know, put your hands around him, or
you know when they're trying to get the ball inbounded,
all these little things to get even just a smidge
of an advantage over him.
Speaker 4 (02:35:20):
And that's that's what the Rockets are gonna have to
do here in game six. But don't touch the thumb.
Speaker 9 (02:35:24):
But don't touch the thumb. Touch the thumb, gate, do
not touch the thumb. No, look, it's you know, I
don't want to hear any of that from Golden State Warriors.
That Golden State Warriors fans that cheer for a player
like Draymond Green just absolutely absurd. Pot calling the kettle
black right there. But no, I think that the kind
of culture shock or the wake up call, and this
game is gonna be that Rockets are not gonna get
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any whistles. Like I'm going into this, it's fully expecting
they are gonna get mulled. They're gonna get hit. Warriors
are gonna get to be so physical with the Rockets,
and they need to power through that. It's gonna feel
like it's five on eight. It's gonna feel like the
refs are hell and the Warriors out a lot by
just not calling things. By driving, you get hit on
a drive contact. They need to be able to play
through that, and at times officiating has rattled this Rockets
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team a little bit, in particular Alpa and Shingun. As
great as he's played this series, Alp has a bit
of a tendency at times to you know, he'll drive,
make a move to the basket, and if he feels contact,
if he feels like he had, you know, two hands
on his body while he's posting up, or a bit
of a shove or something around the rim, you see it,
he'll you know, miss a shot and then immediately his
arms shoot up.
Speaker 4 (02:36:25):
And he's like, where's my call?
Speaker 9 (02:36:26):
And it's unfortunate because you know, for a young player,
that's going to be a big hurdle for him. Is
trying to break through and just power through whatever the
officials do. Who cares, right, just play the game? And
you know, sometimes I feel like Alpi's playing a bit
more for the foul than he is just to actually
score the ball, especially around the rim. If you just
play the game, get through that mental block, and don't
let the refs take you out of the game, I
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think they'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (02:36:49):
Well, that's one of my frustrations that I have with
him too, is exactly what you just said where it's
just a hey man, it wasn't called get back on defense, Like,
there's there's nothing you can do about now. They're not
gonna have a late whistle. Hey guys, hey, let's slow
it up here. Yeah, a post foul them down there.
So whatever his number is to the score is table.
That's that's the foul. But yeah, late late whistles only
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belong to the Golden State Warriors. Right, you can cry
enough about a call and then maybe they'll flip it
in your favor.
Speaker 4 (02:37:13):
Five on eight.
Speaker 1 (02:37:14):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (02:37:14):
I'll have to remember that tonight, hopefully not thinking that
during this game. Mike Allen, see you guys right there.
Try to squeeze you in here before we step aside
for the Matt Thomas Show. But we will continue getting
you ready for tonight's Rockets Warriors game six.
Speaker 4 (02:37:29):
There in the Bay Area.
Speaker 3 (02:37:31):
Jackson Gatlin locked on Rockets here with us on The
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Speaker 4 (02:37:49):
Mike, Good morning, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (02:37:51):
Good morning gentlemen, Hey Gatlan man, I need some help.
I'm frustrated.
Speaker 16 (02:37:57):
We've made this series a lot harder than what you
know and a lot harder than what it should be.
And that's not taking anything away from Golden State. Anytime
you have a guy like stuff, man, you got.
Speaker 1 (02:38:07):
The opportunity to win. So I'm frustrated with the with
the rockets.
Speaker 16 (02:38:13):
I'm gonna say Emmy, I feel like Emmy is a
hell of a coach, but I feel like he's also.
Speaker 1 (02:38:18):
Dropping a ball.
Speaker 16 (02:38:20):
It's something going on to where we're struggling to score
the ball and he just refused to give a guy
like Cam the opportunity to play.
Speaker 1 (02:38:28):
I don't know what's going on with him.
Speaker 12 (02:38:30):
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (02:38:31):
It's almost like.
Speaker 16 (02:38:32):
Cam made a statement early in the year saying it
doesn't matter what I do, I'm not gonna play, and
it seems like that Diggs hold even deeper.
Speaker 1 (02:38:41):
And I just want to get your take on.
Speaker 16 (02:38:42):
Him, man, because it's frustrating watching a guy that that
talented not be able to see the court and you
can't convince me its defense. It's it's gotta be something
a little bit more than that. And I feel like
he's his days in Houston is probably numbered, and that's unfortunately,
because the guy's ultra talented, man, and I just hate
to see us, especially when we're struggling to score the
(02:39:05):
ball at times. And this team was deep enough to
use our bench throughout the year and he's reverted to,
let's go with this eight man rotation.
Speaker 1 (02:39:14):
I'm not saying go.
Speaker 16 (02:39:15):
It's deepest twelve eleven guys right sometime. Man, this guy,
this guy's a walking bucket. Man. I feel like if
you just give him the opportunity and I'm not saying
the opportunity with guys that gets really no minutes. I'm
saying opportunity with guys just playing heavy minutes and let's
just see what happens.
Speaker 4 (02:39:33):
Yeah, I appreciate the call, Mike.
Speaker 9 (02:39:36):
Yeah, I think that it's the Cam situation is really
unfortunate because you look at Cam and he has this
abundance of talent, right he is a walking bucket, and
it's it's disappointing because Cam was such an important part
of the team last season and you know, help the
team get to forty one forty one, you know, played
it played a role alongside of Men Thompson as rookies,
(02:39:57):
and it's really hard at times to find two in
not let alone one impactful rookie, but two that the
Rockets have in the rotation. Last season, I think Cam
came in kind of thought that maybe he had a
guaranteed spot in the rotation this year. Unfortunately didn't get
that guaranteed spot. Rockets wanted to see what reed Shepherd had,
whether he was ready for NBA minutes, and then when
he wasn't, pivoted back to Aaron Holliday. I will say
I hate to be the bearer of bad news. It
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is a defense thing with Cam more than anything else.
You know, he needs to be locked in on that
side of the ball. Again, if you're playing for Emo Doka,
you gotta be able to play defense, and you're not
gonna go from getting dnp's in the regular season to
study suddenly playing important postseason minutes.
Speaker 4 (02:40:33):
Unfortunately, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (02:40:35):
Man Jackson Gatlin locked on Rockets joining us at J
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Speaker 9 (02:40:40):
I am feeling good about Game six. I'm excited. I
think the Rockets are gonna pull it out. I think
they're gonna bring it home for a Game seven, and
I think we will be talking about Rockets Wolves in
the not so distant future.
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Astros and White Sox from Chicago fromer Valdez on the
Mound tonight for this series opener and Tyres Haliburton's dad
John agreeing not to attend games for the foreseeable future,
the Pacers basically telling him, yeah, hey, after what happened
with Jannis on the floor, uh, maybe it's not a
good idea for you to stick around for some time.
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But as we just threw out the tweet at Sports Talk,
has seven ninety sewn a personal day for him. He's out,
so nice little three day weekend for Sean in that regard,
and he'll be back on Monday. So hopefully on Monday,
we are talking a Rockets Game seven.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
And even more.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
But you got to get to Game six first and
the Rockets, so we'll be on the for tonight against
the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
But as I threw out for.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The first couple of hours, Chris Gordy gonna be joining
us including right now.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Gordy, good morning, buddy.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well it's happening.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Dan, good to be on with you, and yes it
is a it's gonna be a busy weekend in the
sports world. We got, like you said, Rockets Warriors tonight,
you think what an eight tip central here? So it
be fun to see if the Rockets could find a way.
I almost feel like and when they went down three
to one, I almost felt like, all right, this series
(01:38):
is over. You found a way to win Game five
and dominating fashion, So I know you don't want to
look at it this way, but almost look like you're
supposed to lose tonight. So I almost look at like
it has like go in there with nothing to lose,
just play your game and see.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
See what happens.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Well, And I feel like, if you find a way
to win this one, like you're gonna have all the
momentum and everything in your favorite coming back home for
a game seven.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I mean almost kind of in a way, and you
know I was gonna go somewhere else, But then once
you brought that last point, doesn't it almost kind of
feel like that Clippers series? What was that twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, I'm trying to remember which one that was
where you get the Corey Brewer and Josh Smith game,
which if I'm not mistaken, I think this is the
anniversary of it. So I mean you're able to win
(02:27):
that one, and pretty much that felt like the backbreaker.
Like I there was no feeling in me going into
that Game seven on that Sunday where I was like,
the Rockets are gonna lose this game. Like I knew
the Rockets were gonna win that game. And I think
even the Clippers and their fans knew that they were
gonna win that game.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeah, that was the fourteen to fifteen season, and yeah,
they were down. They lost three out of the first
four in that series, and I'll never forget it was
you know, Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and those guys,
and it felt like they were going to go on
to their first you know, to the conference finals and
low and behold the Rockets you know, went our run
and they win. You know, they went three in a
(03:05):
row and fortunatehen we get stupid Golden State Warriors in
the Conference finals that year. But yeah, you're right, I
mean it felt like they went to LA and found
a way to win there. And ironically, I think that
Game six was the game Harden was not playing well.
Kevin McHale kept them on the bench, and that's where
you said, like Corey Brew and a lot of the
other guys were going off, and you know, there was
(03:28):
a much to do made about oh my god, they
benched James Harden in the fourth quarter and and you
know he didn't play, and it was it was reminiscent
of the other night with Jalen.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Green got benched and didn't play. Sorry, you were playing great.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You know, we're gonna go with the other guys and
so yeah, man, it's it's gonna be fun. Let's see
who can step up tonight. We talked about it yesterday.
This Warriors team is they're older, man, they they they
starting to look a little bit tired. And who knows,
maybe they'll just go back to San Francisco and play
their best game of the of the series.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But for the Rockets, you've got that youthful.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Exuberance and you're young and and and go go out
there not afraid the Warriors though. I mean, this is
that stretch down. I remember early in the series we
were getting like three days off in between games. This
stretch has been play a game, have a day off,
play a game, have a day off, and you and
you have to travel as well. So you know, I
(04:22):
wonder how much that it takes a toll on Jimmy Butler,
who's but he still is still hurting Steph Curry, who's
another year older. You know, I just wonder if that's
advantage a little bit more advantage Rockets.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Well, remember too, I mean Steph's got that bad thumbs,
So the Rockets have to be on the lookout for
that tonight.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, no doubt it. I don't know, man, We'll.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
See they don't have to be on the lookout for
his thumb tonight. That's the point that, like, it's just
all of this, like and I mean that's that's actually
another aside of all of this that we've had, of
many of the different, you know, side story lines of
this series. Is there a fan base Team Slash just
all encompassing of everything that bitches more than this team
(05:10):
when all when all the success they've had, like when
they could kind of set the standard for hey, this
is how you win in this league, this is how
you're supposed to hatle your business. But I mean, you've
even got it to the point and we'll hear it
sometime here during a couple of hours that you're on
with me, Gordy, You've even got it to the point
where Stephen A. Smith is going on ESPN and saying
Steve Kerr is just too much.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah he is.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It's it's to me, It's not even the stuff he says,
it's just the self righteous attitude, like the the the arrogance.
And and again when you want as moneys many games as.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
He has, I guess you have a right to have
a little bit of arrogance.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
But it's almost just like I, you know, it comes
into the room knowing I'm better than you, mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And that's what I love more about Doka.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
So it's more blue collar, so much more, you know,
like and the team reflects that with the attitude of
we're gonna play hard nosed defense and we don't give
a damn who you are, you know. But but yeah,
the Warriors has just always kind of have that that
arrogance about them, but we know we're better than you,
and you know, it's fun to finally see there, you know,
(06:18):
they're their quote unquote dynasty come to an end, I guess.
But then again, if they win this series and they
go on. I mean, they're you know, they're gonna play
a young Minnesota team that you know, maybe they they
could be too. So I don't know, maybe the dynasty's
not over, but certainly you would love to see the
Rockets win. But man, it just it's you look back
on the series and go, God, there's games three and
(06:39):
four out there. You know, Game three, let's slip away
in the fourth quarter, they just pulled away. But Game
four they you you had every opportunity, and particularly in
those final seconds. I mean, you have the ball down
one with thirteen seconds left and ching guns.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You know, shot just fell short.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, I mean, And I think that that's the other
part of this to Gordy is that I would have
to believe that the Rockets feeling with Game five was
get us back out there, like get it, because I
think they feel like they left money on the table,
Like they feel like they should have won one of
those two games they had Saturday.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
They let it.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Slip in the third quarter going into the fourth quarter,
and then you had, you know a couple of bad
sports during Game four where you don't start off the
game well, but you're able to make up for it.
You don't start off the third quarter well, but you're
able to make up for it and to your points.
I mean, you had a chance to win it late
in this game. I just I think that I'm hoping
more than thinking that this is the case that they
(07:39):
unlocked something in game five of just saying we know
how we need to win this game, and it's being
much better on the offensive end and attack the basket.
Just You're a team that's known for physicality on both
ends of the floor, and I feel like at times
in this series, Gordy, where I'm just like, why are
you taking the mid range jumpers? Why are you settling
for the three point shot? Get to the basket. If
(08:02):
you get an offensive foul, be damned. I don't care,
Like get to the basket.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, And that's that's been the matchup.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I mean that the shingouon Draymond matchup has been the
one this whole series that's been been open.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And you know that, you know, Shangoon's had good games.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I think this whole series, it feels like, so that's
the one big matchup.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It feels like, you know, you continue to expose.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But yeah, I mean the other part is they're leaving
guys open from three and you got to hit your threes.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You gotta kN act down.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Shots don't be discouraged if you know, if if they're
they're answering and they're hitting theirs, because you just feel
like you know the what you've done all serious. You
continue to leave the pajem Skis and the the Moses
Moodies open. You know that they're gonna hit some but
but hopefully not enough to kill you. It's it's the
(08:54):
Steph Curries that'll kill you. So and Jimmy Butler. So
you know, I'm encouraged that these last two games, Fred
van Vliet has played very well. What was he eight
to twelve from three in game four and then four
to six last game from three, So hopefully Fred playoff.
Fred van Vliet continues to show up here, and if
he shows up tonight, Shingoon does what he does and
(09:18):
maybe just get a little something out of Jalen Green.
I mean, that's that's been his disappearing act has not
been has not been great. But again, if all those
guys do do what they need to do tonight, certainly
no reason why they can't why they can't go in
there find a way to win and and and look,
I mean two of their losses you scored in the
you know, you scored eighty five in game one, you
(09:39):
scored ninety three in game three. Your wins just scored
one oh nine and one thirty one them.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Is there? You know one hundred plus is what it's
going to take to win tonight.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, And I mean for the longest time, it seemed like,
you know, and I joked about it with Sean the
other morning. That's you know, getting to that one oh
nine marker right there, because what was it. I think
game two the Rockets won one o nine to nine four,
I think, and then of course, you know, we get
them losing the other night one o nine to one
oh six, so that would be nice. And you mentioned
(10:08):
something about ima Udoka. I mean, you know, because we
like to do the coaching tree thing. And Steve Kerr
obviously is a Popovich guy, so is Emay. And it's
so funny Chris that like he I feel like I
May is the way that we wish those other two
guys would be, like just be like the winning speaks
for itself, you you know, coaching your team the way
(10:28):
you do and the results that you've gotten it speaks
for itself.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Why do you get involved in all the other stuff?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Man, Yeah, no doubt, but I mean that's just you know,
the team adapts the attitude of the coach and I
love you know. They try to ask Dylan Brooks the
other night about, oh, you know, they think that you're
trying to hit Steph Curry on the arm after you
deliver it, and he goes, whatever, man, he goes, We're
just we're playing basketball. Like, let's go like it's you know,
(10:55):
don't don't feed into the you know where you feel
like you need to apologize. Well, I'm not trying to
do anything to it. No, just be unapologetic, go about
your business and let's play.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yep, that's what the Rockets are hoping we'll translate into
a win tonight. And also too, we'll get into some
astros here because the Lion's share of the Rockets talk,
we're gonna have even though that we're gonna go next Gordy,
the Lion's share of it, I'm gonna save for a
couple of hours we got with Jackson. Gatlin is gonna
be in studio with me from eight until ten, and
(11:27):
we'll be getting you ready for Game six tonight, But yeah,
we're gonna have a lot of Astros talk. I mean,
this seems like this weekend is a chance for them
to be able to not only make up ground, but
also to be able to get even further above five hundred,
because this White Sox team is downright bad. They are
eight and twenty three on the season. Both times you
(11:49):
faced him last year, he took two out of three
from them, So, I mean, you had a couple of
frustrating losses in there, but from ber Valdez. Gonna be
on the hill tonight against Cameron Are excuse me, Cannon
for the White Sox. So chance for the Astros to
be able to have a good weekend up there on
the South Side. But speaking of the Rockets, something you
(12:10):
just mentioned with Dylan Brooks, something else really stood out
to me the other night, Gordy, And that's where I
want to get things started this morning here on the
Sean Salisbury Show again. Chris Gordy going to be with
me for the first couple of hours. Jackson Gatlin of
the Locked On Rockets podcast going to be with us
for the final two hours of the show. But we're
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Speaker 1 (13:23):
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Speaker 3 (13:26):
I want to go back to a part in the
game where it was the foul on a men Thompson
and I think it was Gary Payton Junior who fouled him.
He got a little annoyed with them. He got a
little upset. He was about to go nose to nose
with them, and then you see, out of nowhere, Dylan
Brooks come in and he is the mediator right there.
He's the one pushing him away saying no, we're not
(13:49):
doing it. And that stood out to me right there,
because we've seen all series long the Rockets were willing
to say, yeah, hey, you know what, Draymond will mix
it up with you. Hey, whoever else wants to try
to play with us, We're not backing down. We're not
going to do this. But I think he kind of
threw them off their game, like I think the Warriors
were doing that intentionally to say, this is a young team,
let's get them emotional, let's get them off their game
(14:11):
by focusing on the things that don't really matter to
the overall conclusion of this that I almost wondered if
that was something that ima Udoka and his coaching staff
had addressed with this team of saying, hey, look, don't
back down from a fight. I get it, we're not
going to get punked, but at the same time, we're
not going to get into useless where you know, situations
(14:33):
where we can get a technical foul we can get
a flagrant foul whatever it might be, and it hurts
us when we're trying to keep our season alive.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
That's you know, I'm in tomson In post came out
and I was laughing about it, you know, saying it's ironic.
Of all people, the guy pulling me back was Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You know. It's. Look, he has been he has been
mature at times. You know.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Obviously he still will get in to it and pick
up files and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
But you gotta have to have that attitude.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
You gotta have that attitude of you got to be smart,
but you also want to send the message to them
that that hey, we're not backing down where we came
here to play. Look, Draymond can't affect the game like
he used to, So one of the few ways he
can still affect the game is by head Games is
getting into your head and making you, you know, getting
you feel a little testy, so it takes your mind
(15:25):
out of you know, out of game mode, and you
know you're less focused because you're worried about him and
getting chippy with them and all this kind of stuff,
as opposed to making your shots. So yeah, I look,
Dylan Brooks's has been very good this series, just in
terms of doing a little bit of everything. So yeah,
you just got to keep cooler heads have to prevail
(15:46):
because would not shock me, Dan if we had another
dust up tonight. It feels like every game we've had
a little bit of a dust up at some point.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Oh, absolutely we will. I mean, it's it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It almost is like one of those things that it's
like you buy a new house, well, you know, comes
with the furniture.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's here like that.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
That's this series, like it is at least one time
that there is a loose ball, somebody maybe you know,
edges somebody out for it and pushes them to the ground.
So then they get up, they're upset about it, they
start getting into all these things. But I mean, it's
been something that I've talked about even before this series,
you know, Gordy, that I feel like that has been
(16:24):
something that has worked against the Rockets at times. I mean,
remember the couple of times they lost out in Sacramento
this year. Those things happened, and maybe Sacramento was able
to get away with a little bit more physicality than
they were so then that frustration boiled over into the referees,
and then people get thrown out of the game, and
the moral of the story is you end up losing
those games. So I just I think that of all
(16:46):
the things, and you know, we've talked about the great
adjustments made by Steve Kerr, that I think is the
greatest adjustment made by this Rockets coaching staff of saying
we have played ourselves out of games by just emotional,
just you know, making bad decisions on the floor that
not only hurt us fundamentally, but also can hurt your team,
(17:09):
i e. Foul trouble, you know, guys being at risk
of being thrown out of the game, all of those
different things.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Well, I was just reading a great piece of literature
up at ESPN dot com, an article title titled Warriors
Irked as Rockets take aim at Curry's injured thumb.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Oh my God, by a.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Great a great writer by the name of oum Ohm.
Never heard of him, but anyway, it's it's, you know,
it's it's all this one sided thing about, oh my god,
can you believe this dirty ass Rockets team They're just
they're trying to hurt Steph Curry and they know his
thumb's hurt, so they're going after that thumb. It's like
Dylan Brook said it. He's like, if I if you
(17:52):
knew I had a bum ankle, and I'll playing on
the bum ankle. Guess what You're gonna try to test
me on that ankle? Right, Like, it's just so oh
ridiculous how it becomes It's like always the stars. It's
like Lebron and Steph Curry must protect them at all costs.
And oh my god, he's playing through injury. How dare
you try to, you know, make it worse? Oh my god,
(18:13):
Like get out of here. I just I hate this CRD.
This is when the when the national media writes this
kind of crap, it makes me Rockets please go win
this series, Please just go stick it to them.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And and and you know, it's just it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well, I mean I said it yesterday and I responded
to someone Grace as a matter of fact, on Twitter.
Self awareness is a skill, Gordy. And you know, as
we continue to uh, you know, go through life, I
think we realize on social media and sports wherever it
might be, that there are people who who lack such
(18:49):
skill and I think President Company is included.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, I'm just gonna like, if the if the Rockets
win tonight, I'm just gonna start to I'm gonna write
stories and put them out there, just making the Rockets
out to be the victim, like Rockets overcome treacherous ways
of Warriors. You know, like just it's just absolutely ridiculous.
How you know the ESPN folks, I mean, let's be
real on a on a on a week Dan where
(19:16):
we just saw Lebron and Luca and the Lakers eliminated.
You know, we'll see what happens with the Clippers and Nuggets.
They're going to a game seven. But you know, it's
it's just like you gotta wonder if the NBA, at
least sitting up there in our offices are rooting for
the Warriors, because they start to look around and go,
(19:37):
oh my god, we could have a Thunder team, you know,
from Oklahoma City. We could have a Calvs team from Cleveland.
We have a Rockets team that nobody knows that they're
players nationally, like, this could be a disaster for NBA ratings,
which is the dumb way to think about it, because hey,
this is how you develop new superstars. This is how
a guy like Albert Chagun becomes a household name because
(19:59):
more people see and that sort of thing. Instead, we
got to rest on the laurels of our superstars already.
And oh man, you know, can you imagine if we
get Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler to go on a run,
here be ratings, you know, greatness for us.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So I don't know, I don't think.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
You know, I'm not gonna go full conspiracy theory and
think that they're gonna get every foul call and all
that and that the fix is in. But you certainly
know that NBA office is rooting for the Warriors to advance.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Well, I mean, at the same time, it was one
of those concerns that maybe you could have a Tony
Brothers game tonight. But the good news is on that
Sean or Sean Gordy is that it's not going to
be Tony Brothers tonight because he Ed molloy and I
forget the other two officials were on the game last
night for the Knicks and Detroit. So you want to
(20:49):
make sure that New York moves on to the next round.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Can I add to Dan man?
Speaker 8 (20:56):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
What's what's my guy?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Kate Cunningham really good and there's another universe where the
Pistons a couple of years ago go Jalen Green number
one and Kate Cunningham goes number two. The Houston Rockets
cade was awesome this whole series against the Knicks. I
know they lost, but my gosh, I mean in the
twenties and thirties, every night, no single digit performances, like
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Jalen Green.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Said, yeah, what could have been?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That is for sure on that, but I mean, look,
you know he he walked so a men Thompson could fly,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
So we're still waiting for Jabari Smith to fly as well.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Now, I mean, look, you know it's funny you mentioned
that because I feel like in this series, Gordy he's
kind of taking a step forward offensively, Like I feel
like we're seeing much more of a confident guy out
there shooting the basketball.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
We are, but just remember, like we're talking about him
as a guy that was, you know, top top five
in the draft, Like that's that's the thing when you
talk about Shingon.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I'm sorry, that's too good.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
But Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, you know, a'm and Thompson,
and I mean even throw Reed Shepherd in there for
argument's sake. I mean, these were all guys that you
got in the top five of the draft, that you
know you draft to guy top five. The expectations are
your borderline superstar, if not superstar by your three or
four in the league.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
And that's why I think you have a lot of
people wondering how much longer Jalen Green is for this
Rockets roster. But I guess we'll have those questions asked
and answered during the off season. But we're not to
the offseason yet, Gordy, so we don't have to ask
or answer those right now. But coming up next, let's
get into a little bit about Astro's discussion, because yesterday
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this guy was a hot topic of conversation here on
the show, and we get to see him showcased this weekend.
We'll get into some strows here on The Sean Salisbury
Show again. Chris Gordy in for Sean for the first
couple of hours. Jackson Gatlin going to be joining us
here for the final two hours of the show. As
we continue here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
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Speaker 7 (24:08):
I had to live there for the Sean Salisbury Show, continued.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Gordy.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I don't know if the Astros could set up their
pitching any better against the team who again is not
very good in the Chicago White Sox. They're kind of
mired in that like early twenty tens that the Astros
were in, and we'll see if it pays off for
them like it did the Astros. I mean, I think
a lot of people look at what they did with
the reset with Ed Wade at the beginning, but then
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Jeff Luno of Trade Away bottom this thing out and
then start to see, oh hey there's Carlos Korea, Oh
hey there's George Springer.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Oh hey, there's a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Guys that can really be a great core for you
and keep you going deep into the postseason for some time.
But I mean, this is a Stro's team that you
would like to see them take care of business this weekend.
I mean, is it too hard to ask? Wore a
sweep in this series, especially when you factor in you're
facing a team that is as lowly as the White
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Sox and has eight wins.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I think it's hard to ask for sweep on anybody,
just because this Asters team has just shown that they're
consistently inconsistent at times. So you know, it's it wouldn't
shock you to go out there and see Jonathan Cannon
throw a you know, a complete game shutout or something stupid.
I remember last year he went that was June of
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last year. He went up against Disastros team and nearly
did nearly did pitch it a complete shutout. He went
eight and two thirds, I want to say, give up
a couple hits in the ninth and they had to
pull him. And the White Sox won two nothing against
this Area Astros team now again, different looking lineup, No
Kyle Tucker now Alex Bregman and Tesak Paratus and Christian
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Walker and others. But yeah, they I remind you, this
was just under a year ago Jonathan Cannon eight two
third shutout innings against you, so it can happen again.
So uh, but yeah, it's it's just good to look
up and see from Berveldes going tonight, Hunter Brown on
Saturday at Your at Your Ace, and then just still
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so weird to look up and see mccullor's junior listed
as the starter on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Good, Like I said yesterday on the show with you guys,
like it's it's a good thing if you're an Astros fan,
Like I understand people being the cynics and going, oh God,
is he gonna get hurt again and all this kind
of stuff, but understand why it's mccolors comes back and
he is awesome or or just really good. That is
great for the Astros. Like you know that we we
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did the a g AJ blue Box Spearman on Wednesday
that didn't go well. But you know, you you will
have a bevy of pitching, could you expect expect Spencer
Arraghetty as soon as that thumb heels. You know, he's
gonna start working his way back. You know, we'll see
what happens with Luis Garcia.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I know.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Shawn asked Dana about it on Wednesday. Dana said they
believe Luis Garcia will pitch at at some point this season.
Christian Haveer, I think is a long shot. I don't
think he'll be back. You know, we'll see on JP Frantz.
You know, I was told a couple, you know, during
spring training they think maybe around All Star Break around
there he could be back. But my point being, you'll
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have a little bit not an embarrassment of riches, but
a lot of good arms that you can rely on.
And so that's that's where it's like, if you're an
Astros fan, you hope for.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Lance what colors you and you're to get back to
his whole form.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
No, you definitely do.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
And I mean, you know, that's where I kind of
wanted to take the conversation here of this is a
guy that hasn't pitched in over two years, because the
last time we saw him was Game three of the
twenty twenty two World Series. Clearly that didn't go well
that night, but then the rest of the series did,
so that was good. But I mean, you know, he's
been about mid nineties. The other stuff has looked good.
He's pitched well enough down in the minors during this
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time to kind of get him ready for this. That's
I mean, I've got to believe that to everything that
we just talked about, where you have to wonder about
longevity with him, that it is going to be continued.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Slow and steady is the race.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Like it would not shock me if on Sunday, Gordy
we see him go maybe four innings and then you
see Logan van Wi get a couple of innings in there.
You know, who knows, maybe even do you kind of,
you know, use it as a pseudo bullpen day for
Ryan Gusto to get him an inning or so, just
to kind of get him on track. I mean, you know,
just all of these different things to kind of, you know,
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go sort of a bullpen game on Sunday. But I
just don't really envision them going it for one hundred
pitches the very first time out and just thinking, hey,
he's fully back. We're just gonna go with this. They're
they're trying to build this guy up.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, no, I would not.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
You know, I'd say five innings would be great you
can get If you get five strong innings out of him,
you take that, you know, is into the fifth maybe
more realistic, he gets through four and you know, the
pitch count is in the seventies and they start to go, Okay, Lance,
that's good, that's good enough for your first time back out.
I don't know, because he's looked he's looked good in
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these minor league reups starts, So yeah, I think you're
just gonna roll him out there and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
If he if he gets behind.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
And counts and the nerves are working, he works a
couple of walks, and we comes out of the first
stating throwing twenty three pitches.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, he's not going to be very long on you know,
on the day.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
But you know, like I said, I'm just excited that
he's going to be back out there. I mean, Dan,
it's you go back to. It was November of twenty
twenty two in Philadelphia, game game five, I want to
say World Series Game four, game five, whatever it was
of the World Series out there Philadelphia, and man, just
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crazy to think that that's how long it has been
since the last pitch. We need we need to go
back and look up, like, well, what was the top
song in the country and all that last time lansm
of colors now for a competitive start for the Houston Astros.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'll look that up during the break. But it was
game three, because I remember the Astros had just evened
up the series, and then they went up there and
they gave up two in the first, two in the second,
and then three in the fifth and lost that game.
And they weren't able to put together any sort of
offense against Ranger Suarez and the Phillies pitching that night.
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And then remember too, that was the Michael Brantley famous
speech in the clubhouse of just really didn't see any
fight out of you guys, what the hell's wrong with you?
And then Game four, Christian Javier and company go out
there and oh, no big deal, they just no hit him.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, just just go do that again. Lance.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Well, Lance wasn't good that that serious. But nonetheless, I
think right before that they beat just beat the Yankees
right in ALCS and and Lance was was very good
in that series and needed I mean, I remember he
battled like he was just trying to get out on
Thatanes lineup and they were just battling and Black battling,
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Aaron Judge and all those guys.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I remember talking about to him.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
After the game, you know, when they when they won
the series, and he was just like relieved.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
He's like, God, I just need to get through that.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
But then yeah, Phillies got after the Phillies had an
incredible lineup too, So I get it was hard, but
that's that's just wild to think that that's the last time.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Last week Colors pitched.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Anti Hero was the number one song on November the first,
twenty twenty two. That was when Game three was so
Taylor Swift one way or another, she weaves her way
in some some sort of way into the conversation Gordy.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, was she even dating Travis Kelsey?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Then that was pre t K, That that was before
Travis Kelsey. It might have even been later on in
that season, I think, you know, because remember I think
it was Jarrett Payton Junior that got the video of
them both walking in the hallways there at Arrowhead Stadium,
and Travis Kelcey kind of gave that weird look like
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it like some people kind of looked at it as
you know, hey, I don't want to be videoed or like,
oh man, this this guy like seems like he's in
a situation he doesn't want to be in.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
When you said pre t K, I was like, I
just I heard no, no.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Not not Todd Kellis. No, I'm a cup man here.
I don't need Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Hey, Blumber. When do we get our day of the year.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah, Julia, you got your day of the year over
at Houston City Hall, at.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Julia Morales Day. I didn't think we would see the day.
Congrats to Julia.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
That's the best. You get a key to the city
or something.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I mean, I know she got a proclamation and there
was something else that was mandated by the city that
I guess people had to address her as so like
I don't know, like is there like kind of like
a like almost if you have your own day here
in the City of Houston, it's it's it's equivalent to
being knighted by the British royal family.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
I'm gonna make a prediction, Dan, you put in ten
twelve more years on these airwaves, we will get a
Dan Matthews day.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Let's go, let's go, and hey, I mean I've already
got a build in if you know. Even before that,
my parents did go to law school with our fair
Mayor John Whitmyer.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
My dad told me that. I was like, what do
you need to tell me?
Speaker 9 (33:24):
That?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Sooner I would have introduced myself to him and said, hey,
by the way, do you want me to make you
feel old. I'm about to turn forty and my parents
went to law school with you.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I'll make a prediction.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
The year is twenty forty and Houston Mayor JJ Watt Honorstan.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Matthews for Dan Matthews Day in History.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
How about that? How about that?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I'd be all about it, and especially to JJ's a
great guy. You know, it'd be good to see him again.
You know, I did have a chance to see him
a couple of years ago when he had his number
retired by the Texans, and he seemed to remember me.
So I mean, I guess I left some sort of
an indelible mark on his life.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
What you don't want to be remembered for is you
walk up and then you see the guy's eyes rolling me. Yeah,
I remember you.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
What you saying?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I remember you?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
And this might be some inside baseball for some people,
But there was a guy on the ticket up in
Dallas who used to do nineteen twenties reporter. His name
was Scoops Callahan, and he tried to get Peyton Manning
one time after the Broncos played against the Cowboys. And
he's doing his whole Hey Champ camp Champ, maybe we
can play some of it for you. But Peyton Manning,
just like from the podium, starts pointing down at him
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and goes, I remember this guy from last time, You're
not gonna get me again. And that was pretty much
the end of Scoops Callahan at that point. Last time
I was up there, I asked if Scoops was there,
and they said rip Scoops, Like he's not done, he
just was no longer with the company.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
That was that was the greatest. I'd love to hear
him make an appearance. They would be like in the
middle of his Rockets Warriors series and he'd be like,
tamp Tamp, I have to give him the Rathma task
to those Windy City skyscrapers, Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Well, you know what we need to do is we
need to try to find him somewhere out there. And
if it does get to a Game seven, I mean
I think that somehow we have him infiltrate the Warriors
press availability to get Draymond, to get you know, Steve Kerr.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I'll leave Curry out of this.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I actually kind of like Steph Curry, but the other
two their fair game. Pat Spencer discount Joe Flacco absolutely,
definitely him.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
As much as I hate Steph Curry, I've talked to
multiple people behind the scenes who are like, he's a
really good dude. Like he stops to like he'll do
he'll do stuff for kids, he'll stop to sign autographs.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
It's like, as much as.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
You hate it, and I cannot stand him when when
he hits those ridiculous falling away threes that have no
business going in. But yes, everything everybody talked to you
behind the scenes like, no, as much as much as
you want to hate him, he's actually a really good dude.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I mean I think that, you know, we have sports
hate for him, which is which is different. I mean,
it's for different reasons. It's just because oh it's that
damn guy again. God, he just does it to us
every single time. But hopefully he doesn't do it two
more times because if he doesn't, well, then that means
the Rockets move on. But we'll continue the Rockets conversation
(36:20):
also some astros here as we continue here on the
Seawan Salisbury Show. But let's keep the baseball conversation going, Gordy,
because other teams in the AO West, right, now it's
not going well, and we'll discuss that here on the
Sewn Salisbury Show.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
The Sean Salisbury Show continues to continue.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
They just are up to three out of four to
the Oakland A's and as is usually the case, whenever
you know, the Astros lose a game and you see
the you know, final score graphic go up, and you'll
start to see the responses. Of course, if they love
a bunch of guys on bas you start to see
people who start yelling about Alexon, Tron and Troy snicker.
(37:05):
And then if they lose a close one because I
don't know, maybe Brian bray U's eighth inning didn't go well,
or Josh Hater in the ninth it didn't go well,
which hasn't happened this year, knock on wood, but all
of those things, and you get those people weighing in.
But then you also get a slew of Ranger fans who,
even though it has nothing to do with them, they
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still like to weigh in on the fact the Astros loss.
But then they'll try to tell you, oh, the Astros
aren't rent free in our heads. Well, then why are
you commenting on a post that has nothing to do
with you like, I don't get it. But they also
do it to their own team. So they lose yesterday
three to nothing to the A's, there to drop three
or four in the series. And you get responses like
(37:47):
this from a guy named Cole who posts a screen
grab of a YouTube video how to hit a baseball
step by step, and the guy who's swinging the bat
at a ball on a tee has a certain around
him with an arrow pointing to him from a Ranger's logo,
and another guy saying that if season tickets, I will
(38:09):
never watch this team ever again. They have been completely
ass since they won the World Series a couple of
years ago. It's gotten to their heads. Let's see, no
worries the well, this is obviously a Bay Area fan,
No worries. The Rangers were just beat by the AOS
champs and the A's are gonna be better, but they're
not going to be that good.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
But it gets even worse.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I mean, we're complaining about Christian Walker around here in
his start, how about Jake Berger getting demoted to Triple
A with the Rangers.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Things are not going well.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Yeah, they've lost what seventh of their last ten and
not going well yeah, they I think it was what
mid April they swept the Angels that ever since then
series lost to the Dodgers, no harm in that, but
then series lost to Oakland or whatever they're called Sacramento.
Days lost, lost two out of three of the A's,
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lost two out of three of the Giants, and then
just lost three out of four to the A's.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, it's it's not going great, and they're you know,
they're pitching.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
It has been it's been okay, but look look at
the games. They've been losing one nothing, three nothing, three
to two, three to.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Two, two to one.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Seems a little bit like the Astros last last April
when it was like offense was just hard to come by.
And so yeah, they're going they're going through it. Nobody
is gonna feel bad for them. The Angels, they've lost
six in a row now, so they're remember I think
I said a week ago it is like the Al
West was very tight, like nobody could get any separation.
(39:38):
We're starting to see a little separation at least with
the Angels falling, you know, to losing six in a row.
Now they're kind of falling back, you know, to the
back of the pack. Here, and it's starting to feel
like it's a Mariners Astros race, Rangers falling behind a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
A's hanging around.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Man, I don't know, you know, they're just Brett Rooker
and and you know, the young pieces that they have.
They've been in some games, but I just feel like
they're due to fall back at some point as well.
And this will probably be a two horse race the
rest of the season between Seattle and Houston.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, you can't count out Lawrence Butler. He's pretty strong.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Another guy who has already changed his Twitter name in
the responses to fire Chris Young. Now that's something we
can all get on board with.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I guess, so no, keep him.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I want him staying there and aggressively overspending on guys.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah, continue to do that and then continue to complain
about beat writers who had nothing to do with how
Twitter handled itself during that time, and then go on
a radio show complaining about it and you know, doing
all the things that he did.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
What a clown? Like Like seriously, what what?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Just an absolute oh we're the victims here, clown. And
I guess it helped him in the ALCS according to
their fan base. But whatever, it's it's a joke organization.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
It was crazy, dan Is, you know the fact you
just took two out of three against the Tigers. Look,
it would have been nice to get the sweet but
you take the series victory. But the Tigers still lead
the American League. The Mariners are one game behind them,
and then the Yankees have not been They they're five
and five in their last ten, like they haven't been
doing the damage that people thought they were gonna do,
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you know, at the start of the year. And then the
Guardians they've won three in a row, so they're just
ahead of the Astros. But all said, Astros, you're only
three games back of the best record in the American
League right now. So this thing, if you can start
getting a little bit of a hot streak and start
you know, winning series after series after series, which the
schedule kind of sets up that way with Chicago, Milwaukee,
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the Reds, the Royals, the Rangers, Like, you got a
chance to run off a bunch of wins here the
next couple of weeks. We could be talking about, you know,
getting into too late may saying the Astros are right
there in the thick of you know, best record in
the American League.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
And you mentioned the Angels. Things getting even worse, especially
for Mike Trout. He'd leave the game yesterday with I believe, discomfort.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
In his knee.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
They called it a precautionary move, but I mean, you
look at that guy and you're just like, man, this
guy just can't catch a break.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Dude, he is Derek Rose.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
It's it's what could have been, like the great were
the greatest players of all time that just couldn't stay healthy.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yep, it's been it's been rough.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
But you know, we don't necessarily have anything against the Angels,
I mean, especially Mike Trout, but you know, definitely not
huge fans of the team up north from US here,
and even though they seemingly pay more close attention to
the Astros than their own team at times, it's okay,
it's fine. I mean, look, you know, one team does
it the right way and then you do it your way.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
They still have the coked out managers still Aric.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I think that was alleged. I think I think I
think that was alleged. But he definitely will smoke a
heater on you. That was one thing when he was
the third base coach of the Braves. It was one
of those things that no matter how early you got
there to the spring training facility in Florida, you always
saw this orange ember off in the distance and you'd say, oh, hey,
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that's Wash. He'd be out there having his morning smoke.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
By the way, it's real. It's a Yahoo story from
twenty ten. Ron Washington reflects on his cocaine use. And
here's another story from Washington Post. Washington tested positive for
cocaine during the two thousand and nine season. So yes,
you can say, you don't even have to put a ledge.
You could say confirmed cocaine user.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Ron Washington.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
There you go, all right, well fair, they test managers.
I guess you're an employee. I guess you have to be.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I guess. So it's not going well there though. With
the Angels, who could have seen that.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Look, that was so funny when they did that, because
it was like it was everybody was having the resurgence.
It was like Dusty Baker with the Astros wins the
World Series. Bruce Bochie goes to the Rangers and obviously
he wins the World Series. So it was like the
Angels like, oh, yeah, this is a new trend. Go
higher the old guy. Yeah, that's not gonna work out
for Angels.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, No longer hire the young binder dorks that you know,
maybe played a little bit of minor league baseball.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
You go, you go get the grizzled veteran. You go
get the guy that that will rely a little bit
more on feel and well.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Worked out well for the Astros, for sure, but for
some other teams it has not worked out all that well.
While I've got Gordy here, you know, we got to
get into a little bit of college football, even though
we're a few months away. Because Gordy, I feel like
when it comes to arch Manning, there's a group of
people who I think are handling him the wrong way,
but an individual who I think is handling him the
right way. We'll discuss that as we start seven o'clock
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hour here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
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Shawn Salisbury.
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To usc true longtime friend Shawn Salisbury.
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Dan Matthewscuse.
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This is the Seawan Salsbury Show, Heavy Rockets, for the
final couple hours of the show today, speaking of those
Rockets Game six tonight against the Warriors out in San Francisco.
Rockets trying to force a Game seven on Sunday Astros
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or in Chicago taking on the White Sox. That will
be five thirty coming your way for Astros on deck,
leading you up to the Stros and the Socks to
start that series. But Gordy, as I mentioned, you're a
big college football guy, and we are at the moment
I think exactly four months away. Maybe a couple of
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days ago, it was exactly four months away from kickoff
to the college football season. It can't get here soon enough,
I guess, is the easy way to say it. I
am ready for Saturdays again. Thursday night. They've kind of
yielded to the NFL. It's no longer a huge deal
to maybe have a major ranked matchup that night. Maybe
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you'll get one every once in a while, but for
the most part, that's gone away.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
But already the arch manning hype train.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Immediately after Quinn Yours announced that he was going to
the NFL, it ramped up even more of people having
him as Heisman favorites or you know, even their top
ten quarterbacks in college football list.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
Having him as either number one.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Or at the top, which when I see some of those,
I was just like, Guys, he hasn't thrown an honest
pass in a game yet. He has not started a
game yet. He has not had any time with the receivers, who,
by the way, were not really that great last year, Gordy,
and they're gonna be even less. They're gonna be even
worse this year without Matthew Golden and Isaiah Bond and
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some of the other guys, Jayden Blue, even in the
backfield not there, some offensive linemen not there this year.
I mean, I get how sark is recruited, But where
I'm going with this is it just feels like people
do this all the time of the backup quarterback, the
high five star. They're always going to be highly anticipated
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and people think they're going to be the savior of
the program. But then you get, like what I ran
into when I covered Georgia. You get Jacob Eason, who
guess what, he's not going to become the next Matt Stafford.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
Okay, point the counterpoint, I look, I'm I'm an arch truther.
I think I think he's going to be awesome. He's
had to, you know, two starts to his career. Last
year when when Quinny were got hurt.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Granted year, I forgot about that.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Yes, Louisiana Monroe in Mississippi State. I know, it's it was.
It was the games he was out that that.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Quentin was hurt for.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
You can't do anything about the schedule, but you know,
and and let's not forget the UTSA game that he
came in when when Quinn got hurt and he went,
what had a sixty seven yard run, you know, touchdown
run and then showed off the athleticism and everybody started
to go, oh, this kid runs more like Grandpa on
like Uncle.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Peyton and Uncle Eli.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
So yeah, Arch has got he's got the uh, he's
got the versatility in his game. But this was a
big thing and Sark was in town earlier this week
and and he brought this up. This is one of
those things we don't we don't talk a ton about.
But keep in mind, when Arch came in, he's on
the freshman team right like, he's playing with all the young.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Freshmen in that recruiting class.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
With him was a guy named Ryan Wingo who was
a five star wide.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Receiver who's been hanging around.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
DeAndre Moore was another young guy that that was on
the depth chart. Arch developed chemistry at those guys and
so when they got into the game last year, he's
hitting Ryan Wingo and Stride he's hitting DeAndre Moore and
you're going, oh, oh, okay, like which what you don't
consider is those guys came up together, so they have
chemistry and now they're all starters. I think there's gonna
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be something to them. You know, Yes, they lost Matthew Golden. Yes,
they lose this guy, that guy, but like I think,
I think they're.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Gonna be ready.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
I mean, they got to figure out the offensive line
and make sure they've got protection up front.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
But I think I think there's a world there where
Arch is awesome.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
And you know, by the way, thanks to the SEC
Office doing Texas and favors and giving them another easy
year slate of a schedule while Oklahoma plays a juggernaut
of a schedule. Look, also, I'll give Texas credit. They
do open the season at Ohio State, and that's that's
as tough as anybody having to go play the reigning
national champs on the road and their opener. But you know,
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even if they lose that game, look at the rest
of your schedule. I mean, outside of a road trip
to Georgia and a road trip to Florida. I mean,
you know, they get the Aggies at home to finish
the year. I think Texas is set up in a
great spot to go at worse ten and two and
they'll be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
So I'm buying into the Arch hype.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
I understand that, you know, maybe we're putting the card
before the horse, but they're doing everything right. When the
transfer portal opened and this world of Nil, Arch could
go get millions from anywhere. He could have went to Oregon,
he could have went, you know, to Alabama. He could
have every big nil deal in the country. The Mannings
are doing it right with him. Cooper's you know, they
they've kept trying to keep him out of the limelight
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of doing too much press and doing too much of
this and that. Sark even mentioned this past week that they,
you know, they they opted out of the photoshoot of
the NCA video game that you know they want. They
invited Arch and coach Sark to go out there and
they turned it down. So, you know, they're trying to
do whatever they can to not grab the headlines, but
it's hard not to what he's got when he's got
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the last name Manning.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Well, speaking of the last name Manning, I think that
also feeds into this CBS Sports mock draft, way too
early mock draft, and sorry Gordy, but they have your Saints.
They don't believe in Tyler Shuck obviously because they have
your Saints picking number one overall, and then they have
Arch Manning being the top pick in next year's draft.
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Other quarterbacks Drew Aller from Penn State, gross Leonora Sellers
from South Carolina six to the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
I mean, my god, if you.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Thought this year's quarterback class, if this is what you're
already looking at for this one, well then you're in
for a treat next year.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
If your team's picking near the top of the draft.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
Yeah, I will say quick disclaimer. I mean the rumblings
that are out there is that the Mannings have been
pretty dead set on saying that Arch needs to develop
and they're gonna give him time to develop. That's why
they didn't push for him to be the starter last year.
They didn't think he was ready. They still thought another
year sitting behind Quinn yours was fine, He's gonna get
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his chance to show it he can do this year.
But there are multiple people in Austin, Texas who believe
Arch is not going pro after this year. They think
he you know, they're gonna sit back and reflect on
the year that was, that we may get two years
of Arch Manning as a starter. Because here's the thing.
You could put out your your mock drafts and say
he's a top ten pick next year and all that.
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Guess what, another year in college, He'll still be a
top ten pick the year after.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
And look at what Peyton and Eli did.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
They both stuck around another year when they could have
come out and.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Played another year of college.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
So I don't think it's crazy to think that you
can put all these all these mock drafts all you want.
I think there's there's a real case to be made
that Arch Manning does not come out in the twenty
twenty six NFL draft.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Well, me and Greg Greg McElroy are both on the
same page here because I'm not going to go throughout
the list. I mean, you know, we have rules on
this show. No list, no no mount rushmoreris But he
had his top ten returning quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Arch Manning was not in this group.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Kdeklubnick though, the Austin Westlake product, He's number one on
his list out of out of Clemson.
Speaker 5 (52:59):
Yeah, there's been multi mock drafts I've seen that have
three Clemson defenders going in the top ten. You know,
it's who else in the ACC is even gonna, you know,
do anything next year. It's it's it feels like it's
it's Clemson and that's it.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, and uh, Garrett Nessmeyer is five on this list.
Carson Beck though six. How about the stray that he
caught from link if in a couple of a couple
of weeks ago on the Believe It was the podcast
that Ryan Clark does, was at the Pivot where they
were talking about the money being thrown around and they
were like, yeah, you know four point five million or
whatever it was for Carson Beck to go to Miami
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and he just.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
Goes, did they see his tape against us? I love Lane?
Speaker 1 (53:41):
That's a jerk.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
He's the best. He's the best.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Like he says the things out loud that we want
coaches to say, and then when he says it, nobody
bats an eye because they're just like, oh, Lane, like
it's he really is the best.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
I love him.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
Oh it's also he says that kind of stuff, and
it it hears him from ever getting out of Oxford,
Mississippi because other schools and programs looking and go, yeah,
don't let that guy representing our brand.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Oh trust me.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
I think if they felt like, if they feel like
he can help them take their program to the next
level and win a national title, I think those hurt
feelings will be replaced by money and trophies pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
But he hasn't proven he can do that.
Speaker 5 (54:22):
Here's the words you will never hear, Dan Champion, National
championship winning head coach Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
You'll never hear those words.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
There you go, Chris Gordy throwing it down for us
when it comes to the coaching career of Lane Kiffin.
All right, Coming up next, it is the stakeout and
Gordy somebody puts some treats around a local Texas town
and the cops got involved because well, you can't do this.
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We'll talk about it here.
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Chris, we had Easter what a couple of weeks ago,
a week and a half ago, whatever it might have been.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
It's in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
But a Texas weed dealer arrested for stuffing Easter eggs
full of weed, in hiding them around town in Lufkin,
orchestrating a weedster egg hunt over Facebook to draw up business.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Police say they were searching for a men who.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
Had allegedly hit Easter eggs plastic Easter eggs full of
weed around city parks in the area in orchestrating a
scavenger hunt on social media to help find them. It
was w k RC Local twelve there in Lufkin who
had the story. They said that he was on Facebook
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posting clues of how to find them, and police say
that they were covered four of the five that they
believe were placed out there. But this was all in
an effort to try to dram up business. Hey, look,
to say that I know you know how to go
about this side of life would be a It just
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wouldn't be true. I know no way of how to
do you know how to try to handle yourself here.
Speaker 4 (56:51):
But I gotta believe that probably.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
For people who are in this line of work, if
you want to call it that, that you probably want
to try to move in silence as much as possible,
Like you want the right mouths to be passing this
as word of mouth. And I know, I say right
kind of in a loose term there, but you want
at least people you can trust to let others know like, hey,
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he's got the goods.
Speaker 5 (57:18):
So when you say he was trying to promote his business,
so the thought was people were gonna find this marijuana
and like it and then come back for more.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
See that's the question I have too, is it's like
that does he post like does he like put like
a card in there or something of Hey, if you
want the good stuff, enjoy this sample, but then get
in touch with me. Investigators identified Avontae Nicholson as the
suspect who was behind the scavenger hunts. So if you
want the good stuff there in the near piney Woods
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of Texas, well, get in touch with Avontae Nicholson.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah. I think that's uh.
Speaker 5 (57:59):
I still think that's what one of the most ridiculous
things we waste our resources and police. You know, you
saw it, like, what's something is legal in one state
and illegal in the next. I mean, it's the same reason,
it's the same thinking that we can't get past the
damn legalizing sports betting here in Texas that you know,
if you live in I don't know, you know, you know,
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you live near the border.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Of Texas Louisiana.
Speaker 5 (58:22):
You got to drive across the border to go place
a bet here here in this space is legal, but
here in this space it's illegal.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Like it's just it's absolutely ridiculous. But if we can.
Speaker 5 (58:31):
Move tech forward at all in twenty twenty six and
moving forward legalized sports betting and legalized marijuana.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
What are we doing? Why are we still arresting people
for this?
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Well, I mean this is a conversation too that I
get into all the time, especially with family, about this
of what's the harm in online sports betting?
Speaker 4 (58:49):
For example? Like who who is that hurting?
Speaker 8 (58:53):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (58:53):
Well, you know, it's it takes advantage of people, and
you know whatever the other arguments are. I'm like, those
people who have those addictive tendencies, they'll find it elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
There.
Speaker 3 (59:04):
There are offshore betting accounts that you can bet with,
and I mean, you know those options are they.
Speaker 5 (59:12):
I go to the grocery or the gas station all
the time and I stand in line behind ten people
buying their lottery tickets and scratch offs. Those people, I mean,
that's We're fine with that. These idiots, who are you know,
lift paycheck to paycheck, but like they're.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Gonna go spend give me forty dollars of.
Speaker 5 (59:29):
Scratch offs, Like it's it's that same, like they're they're
doing it anyway. So just it's just so stupid that
like we're protecting you from yourself. Yeah, go oh, by
the way, can't bet on sports. It's a legal estate,
But come on up, to the Houston Rice Park where
you can bet on horses.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (59:47):
Doesn't it always seem to happen this way at gas
stations for the scenario you just laid out that, like
you're in a hurry, and maybe you know the machine
told you to see cashier, and and usually when that happens,
I just go ahead and close up my gas tank
and say, all right, I'm moving on to the next one,
because that's not happening. But let's just say that you
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do have to go inside. Like for me, you know,
for a heavy user of nicotine pouches, Well, every once
in a while, I have to get my fill, so
I just want to go in there, buy a couple
of cans really quick and get out. Well it's always
too oh yeah, give me a number five, give me
number ten.
Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
I'm like, oh my god, dude, no, not right now.
Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I don't get the again, like you're taking your chance.
But like I just don't let people know too. When
you play like the lottery, the random pick is just
the same odds of you going up there picking.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Your numbers specifically, So just take the random pick of
the numbers.
Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
But yeah, I mean, like all for people to win
ten bucks twenty bucks off of scratch off. You spent
forty but you're won ten. Great, it's not in that
positive here.
Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Well, no, Gordy, I mean you in your mind and
you know, any of us who have ever done it,
we have the dream that one day we're gonna be
up there on the stage and they're going to have
the huge cardboard check for us.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
It's it's spoiler alert. It ain't ever happening.
Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
Stop buying lottery tickets, stop buying scratch offs. I don't know,
I just it just pisses me off because I know
it's it's it's the idiots in North Texas. It's the
Dallas folks who are taking the money from the from
the casinos in South Oklahoma that are paying them off, going,
don't you dare League live sports betting in that state?
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And it's the whole state, like the whole state of Texas.
We're held hostage by the idiots in North Texas getting
payoffs from the folks in Oklahoma to not League live
sports betting in the state.
Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
It's it's ridiculous, Noted dream killer Chris Gordy. When it
comes to the lottery, I mean you know, all I
want to do.
Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
All I want to do is on a Friday night
watching college football bet on Akron versus Ohio.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
That's all we want to do.
Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
It said, we had to go to offshore betting and
by the way, miss out on tons of Louisiana.
Speaker 12 (01:02:01):
That is as.
Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Backwards as anybody figure this thing out of your couple
of years ago.
Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
When you know, if we tax this, we can actually
make some dollars off of this for our state.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Huh go figure actually works out?
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
What a novel concept? Do you a parlay guy or
do you think they're for suckers?
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Parlay's no, those are fun. You pick fourteens if you'll
lose you that's there for the way to go.
Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Okay, I would always go three. I feel like three.
I was. I was in the neighborhood. Yeah, I mean
that's that's.
Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
I talk to friends that live in other states who
bet on their phones all the time on oh yeah,
I got the over under on Dylan Brooks threes tonight.
I got this, and I always tell him like, oh,
it must be nice. I have no idea what that
feels like because I live in the state of Texas
and and our and our great Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick,
he's protecting us, thanks so much, really looking out for us.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Well, hopefully soon enough, cooler heads will prevail on that,
and then you know you can allow for somebody to
bet an eight Lake parlay. And you know the saying
that goes with that, Gordy, is as soon as that
that ticket has turned in. Say you have to physically
do it at a window there at a casino. You've
got to believe the person who takes that bet turns
to the person next to him and says, a sucker
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is born every day.
Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Yeah, that's what we say at the gas station every
day when they're buying their lottery tickets.
Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Hey, buddy, look, all I want to do is just
get a couple of Kansas Smooth here and be able
to move on about my day, because trust me, if
I don't get these, then we're all in trouble. Can't
have that. You don't want to see me, Gordy, when
when I don't have my fix.
Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
I just want Tripley to be able to go in
and bet on Fred van valit Three's made tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
That's That's what I want. You just want to.
Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
I want him to be able to go in there,
and you know, maybe Triple he doesn't watch the Kentucky Derby,
but he wants to put twenty bucks on Journey at
three to one odds tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Maybe that's what he wants to.
Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Do Kentucky Derby talk. I mean, we teased it a
little bit yesterday when you were in here, but I
don't know if we're gonna go fully in today. But
I did finally find out that there were some others
and I think me and you were throwing this out
there because I mean for the Matt Thomas Show today,
obviously they'll have hell yeah or not for the final
segment of the show. I feel like that would be
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a great hell yeah or not today of real horse,
fake horse.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Oh yeah, they've done They've done that multiple times in
the past.
Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Yeah, so journalism is pretty much the only one. And
then I guess I know that Toby Keith posthumously has
a horse running in the Derby this year, but aside
from that, I know nothing. It's one of those too,
you know, not to get on another aside here, but
like it's just I don't know, like I find it
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all obnoxious, Gordy, Like I know that your wife loves
it just for where she went to college. But like
it's just all of the celebrity look at me, Oh,
look at my gaudy hat, look at my ridiculous suit
that I'm wearing. Like it's just just run the damn horses.
That's that's that's all I want. I don't need the
celebrity worship.
Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
It's fun, though, it's it's all the hype and build
up for hours for an event that lest what just
like two minutes, three minutes whatever it is?
Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
What is it the fastest two minutes in sports?
Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
Yeah, it's it's to me, it's it's a lot of
fun to because look, you never been to a race
park before, or you know, live live horse racing. It's
it's a lot of fun. Again, if it's legal in
your state, which is legal here, we can bet on horses.
Just can't bet on a basketball or fruse ball or
anything else.
Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
You go on full seersucker tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
No, I do not own a serious sucker suit.
Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
I would have thought that you were a seersucker guy. Honestly,
I I really would have would have pegged you for
that seersucker with like maybe some sort of a nice
little spring color like a light orange or a pink
high something like that, and then definitely a pocket square.
Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
I think if anybody could pull off the seer sucker,
probably you or maybe even Salisbury.
Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I think I could see Sean going.
Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I see I can see slaves are wearing. Yeah, I
could absolutely see him wearing a seer sucker for sure.
And if he's listening right now, I'm sure probably we'll
get a text of saying there is no way in
hell that I would ever wear a seersucker suit. You
can bet on that, you feel me.
Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah, I'm not buying.
Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
I'm not wearing the seersucker, but look, I wouldn't be
ready to bet on the horses.
Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Tomorrow will be fun, yep, for sure, for sure, and
plenty of drink to go along with it.
Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
All right, coming up?
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Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Because the first round had come and gone and we
didn't have Shador Sanders coming off the board at that point.
And then, funny enough, as tonight's picks from last week
would happen, we know we still wouldn't. We had to
wait all the way until the fifth round when it
finally happened. But of all people to give him advice
on how to handle this situation, now, did you have
Cam Newton on your bingo card as being a guy
(01:08:29):
that could offer out some advice.
Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
Kim Newton's actually been pretty level headed since he's been
back on the national scene, hosting this podcast and all
that kind of stuff. I like this, This is a
this is a wise to mature Cam Newton later in life.
Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Absolutely it is.
Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
So he was on his fourth and one podcast and
he said, quote lead with work not clouds and saying
I think he of course Shador took on the persona
of a dB that's defensive back, not the other dB.
Not as a quarterback. As a dB, you're able to
do certain things. You can speak loud and be rambunctious
(01:09:08):
and have that bravado. But as a quarterback, reminder, you're
the CEO of that franchise. And he breaks it down
even further that as the CEO of the franchise, you
have to pander to six different parties of people, the owner,
the general manager, the head coach, position coach, teammates, and
of course the fans. But he goes as far as
(01:09:28):
to say that he thinks this is the best best
situation for seduor because he has to claw his way
all the way up to the top, does he have
the capabilities to do it? Absolutely? And if I'm in camp,
I'm telling him, bro, let's go to work. Let's control
what we can control now, even finishing it off by saying,
I do see Shador Sanders starting for the Cleveland Browns
(01:09:51):
at some point this season.
Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Yeah, I almost wonder.
Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
I mean, okay, it's easy say that, but what the
hell did you take Dylan Gabriel in the third round?
Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
For?
Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
Like, I just it doesn't make any sense, And I
guess if you want to make the case about you
took Shador in the fifth because he was falling and
he was just at that point he was best player
available and despite whatever red flags he had, we're gonna
take him. But on a team where you already you
still have Joe. You know you have Joe Flacco. You
added Kenny Pickett, a former first round pick, and then
(01:10:26):
you drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third to come.
Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Back and take Shador.
Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
I just how does Shador climb up that depth chart,
you know what I mean reasonably with He's.
Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Just gonna he's gonna have to like blow it out
of the water in preseason to impress.
Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
I mean, I just otherwise I don't see how he
how he's not a practice squad this year, and then
you know, if he does, maybe the thought is just
a you know, good value and make a trade him
if he's any good. I don't know, but you know
you're already you're still paying Deshaun Watson a tonness sit
there and not play football. I just it's it's just
(01:11:03):
hard to be with four quarterbacks, four healthy quarterbacks on
that roster. I don't know how he's going to jump
all them.
Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yeah, I noticed you said four, because I mean there
are five currently on the roster. But I mean, I
think we can agree that this is gonna be the
second time in his career that Deshaun Watson has been told, hey,
we'll pay you, you can show up, but you're not
getting work with the quarterbacks, like we're not going to
play you. So you're kind of still just here. Like
(01:11:30):
basically he's on the pay no mind list now for
the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
Yeah, I heard what. Deshaun Watson shows up to collect
his checks. He wears a ski mask because it's highway robbery.
He's just absolutely taken them to.
Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
The to the woodshed.
Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Well at least it's not the Texans paying it anymore,
you know. I mean that's that's the good thing you
have here. But I mean, look for all the advice
you know he's given, and I haven't seen what people
have said back to Cam Newton, and you know, did
he have some questionable moments during his career, not hopping
on the fumble there in the Super Bowl, getting up
from his postgame press conference after that, and then following
(01:12:05):
it up by saying, anybody who wants to show me
a good loser. They're just showing me a loser, you know,
basically saying, hey, look, I have every right to be
upset about losing the game and acting the way that
I did, because well, sure, you know, I am a
sore loser because I don't want to be a loser.
I think for all of those things, I almost feel
like hearing advice from people like him carries even more
(01:12:28):
weight because I think that he's kind of coming at
it from a standpoint of Hey, probably if I knew
what I knew now, I wouldn't have handled myself that way.
Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
Well, this is the guy who was famous for ripping
his chest open and you know, doing the Superman celebration.
And now he's the one saying you lead. You know,
you want to be a leader, Lead with your work
ethic and not with all the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Let's not forget. I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
Cam Newton was at one time the backup quarterback to
Tim Tebow at the University of Florida and stole a
laptop from a dorm room and climbed out the window
and that's how he ended up what had blame college
and then worked his way back to Auburn, where he
had one of the most impressive single seasons of.
Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Any quarterback ever.
Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
But yeah, I mean that's you know, Kim Newton's had
his share of of of issues, so to get advice
from him. Look, I think Shador is just a he's
in a tough spot, man. I mean, he's who his
dad is. He's been you know, he's had all the
money in the world. Like this isn't a kid that
came from like meager upbringings and had to like work
his way up. You know, he's he's kind of silver spoon, right,
(01:13:32):
Like he's he's had great advantages. But look, he showed
to play at Jackson's State like he originally did and
looked very good there, and then go to a school
like Colorado and impress there.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
He's a good football player. Man.
Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
I think this is where when you get into OTAs
and training camp and all that, all the parties and
all the celebration, it's it's all that's over.
Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
It's time to go to work in the NFL. Man.
You you either put put your big boy.
Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
Pants on and and do what you need to do
or get left in the dust. So I I just
think I just don't know how he's gonna jump those
guys on the depth chart. That's that's what I keep
going back to. So even if he and Princes and
looks really good in these preseason games for Cleveland and
all that, I mean, maybe they flip it. Maybe they
trade him.
Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
Well apparently too.
Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
You know twofold Roth Tucker was on the Dan Patrick
Show earlier this week and he talked about how he
had skipped out on a production meeting, which that's one thing,
but another thing that supposedly happened during his pre draft
meetings with teams is that he was handling it as
basically like, hey, you pitch me on why I should
(01:14:38):
want to come play for you, And NFL teams were
basically like, that's not how this works here, dude. This
isn't college recruiting all over again. You don't have signing day,
you don't have all of that. We have signing day
for you. That's the whole point of the draft.
Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
But don't you think some of that is not shador
I think some of that comes from Dion, Like in
other words, I saw him on radio road to the
super Bowl in New Orleans and he had a whole
entourage with him and cameras and all this do you
think that Shador saying, hey, let's get the camera crew
to follow me around or whatever, or do you think
that's more Dion going You know, now that look Sador
(01:15:13):
that you know you need your camera crew following you around.
You want to document every part, you.
Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
Like how much was that him telling him to do this?
Or how much is this shaudor making decisions on his own.
Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
But I would also argue that Dion should know better,
like Dion should know like what like how to play
the game. I guess is where I'm going with this
in terms of getting ready for the NFL draft, Like
for all the flash and everything else that Dion had
when it was time for him to go, he posted,
he went.
Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
Yeah, you're probably right, I mean and and but but again,
Dion's also the king of showmanship, right, like you know,
make sure you stay in that spot. Why there's a
reason why we talk about him as a head goa
to Colorado, like he he has worked his way up,
and he he demanded you know, not just commands a
spot like like demands the spat light and you know,
so but again, like like I said, in the NFL,
(01:16:07):
they will. If you don't put all that stuff aside,
you will not last. So that's where I say, like Chador,
it's it's time to put your head down and go
to work.
Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
And if he does that, I think you'll be very successful.
Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Yeah, we'll see how it all plays out up there
in Cleveland. They definitely don't have a shortage of quarterbacks
at the moment. And yeah, I guess whoever earns the job,
we'll have earned it. So we'll see how that goes
all right, coming out next, Gordy, it's the story that
just won't go away. Jordan Hudson a couple of different
sides of this, because it sounds like maybe the Belichick
(01:16:40):
family is starting to not be so favorable of her.
Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
We'll explain.
Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
We'll discuss here on the Sean Salisbury Show Again. Jackson,
gatl I'm gonna be join us here in fifteen minutes
for the next couple hours of the show. It is
a Shawn Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
Wait.
Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
Sean Salisbury continues on seven ninety.
Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
It is the story that just will not go away.
It is Jordan Hudson, And of course, you know the
intenna was raised for us all last week with the Hey, Bill, how.
Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Did you two meet?
Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
We're not answering that, and then she has that look
on her face behind the monitor that you're just kind
of like, oh, I get what that look on your
face is. You just think that you have the world
figured out because you're pretty and and you just you
feel like that you can call all the shots. And
then we get the report that there were multiple interruptions,
including her storming out of where they were.
Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Yeah, in that like that's where you're that CBS reporter.
You got to look at Bill Belichick and go, dude,
blink twice if she's holding you hostage, Like what is happening?
You're a grown ass man. Why are you I don't
care if you're dating her? Why are you taking orders
in your in your business world, you know, your your
(01:17:54):
work environment.
Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Why are you taking orders from her?
Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
And and it's I remember when I heard the report
came out that he had made her, you know, oh,
she's gonna be as administrative assistant or whatever ahead of
business for the North Carolina program.
Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
And I was like, oh, that's cute. He's just giving
her a role or whatever.
Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
But like no, now, like in that interview, just she's
she's in charge. She's calling the shots for one of
the greatest head coaches of all time, at least in
the NFL. We'll see what he does in college. I
was just I was appalled by that. I'm like, what
do you, Bill, What are you doing?
Speaker 7 (01:18:27):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
I mean when they hired him in.
Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
You know, the initial storyline was his contract of the
buyout is this I think, what before June one or
July first or something like that, And then it goes
down significantly after that point of people wondering, okay, is
he basically going to finally just get this in the
position where he can give the team the program to
his son, Steve, but speaking to Steve, his wife gets
(01:18:55):
involved here in a second. But you know, another story
that came out with all of this is that apparently
young Jordan has already racked up quite a bit of
real estate since Bill being with Bill, that she's amassed
an eight million dollar real estate portfolio within months of
meeting Belichick. So just buying spots all over Cape Cod,
(01:19:18):
even so far to the point where her mother moves
to one of these Cape Cod towns and get this,
Gordy runs a sex toy shop and a museum.
Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
There seems like a really good family.
Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
That her parents do.
Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
The mom does.
Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
They didn't say anything about the dad, just the mom
in this New York Post story.
Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Wow, that's a toy. That's a plot twist.
Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
It was a part of the story that I think
people stuck with the most.
Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Yeah, here it is.
Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Her mother eventually moved to Provincetown, which it's somewhere in
the Cape, I guess, and where she manages a sex
toy shop in a museum.
Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Maybe this further a little bit more of how they met. Remember,
it's like, you know, the story came out they met
on an airplane or something. And then when she got
so goes, how'd y'all meet? She goes, we're not talking
about this? Okay, Well, now you're giving suspicions on more
more you know, storylines on how y'all really met about it,
(01:20:20):
And it seems there you go, yeah, it seems to
be a little bit more on like, yeah, we met
on a plane.
Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Yeah that's the ticket. And I love that's how this happened.
Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
I love Belichick's statement, like where he throws that out
there and it's kind of like Bill nobody with half
a brain is buying that story now, like you've created
a story that didn't need to be created, Like, like,
how do you not like you know when you and
Lauren first started dating, when me and Megan first started dating,
Like we know the answer, Jackson and his lady, when
when when we all started dating our ladies, Like we
(01:20:50):
know both of us without having to concoct a story
of how we met, Like we we all can tell you, Hey,
how'd y'all meet? How we went to college together and
we reconnected on the road. That's our story.
Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Well, it's just weird.
Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
I mean, everybody, everybody can look at it. She is
she he is literally he could be her grandfather. Like
that's that's the reality of it. I know everybody wants
to well, if they're in love, let him be love,
that's great, whatever, But it's weird.
Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
It's gross.
Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
It's gross as a fisherman and her as a mermaid.
Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Like Bill, you you're one of the most legendary NFL
coaches ever. What are you doing for a guy.
Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
Who was always who was always stoic, and a guy
that was always like known for being the the sour
puss in the room, is now suddenly wearing a fisherman
costume for a photo shoot.
Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
All of a sudden, the intimidation that he might have
had during his time with the Patriots, that's out the window,
Like if you're an opposing coach, Like I'm trying to
think if there's anybody on their schedule or even the
acc who could be brash enough to like yell from
the other sideline of.
Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
Say hi, did Jordan for me?
Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
Bill as they're walking off the field, like maybe Pat
and Ardus.
Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
As much as I want to say that this is
going to be a disaster and that he'll be won
and done as the head coach in North Carolina, go
look at their schedule. It's it's it's cupcakes up and down.
Like they get Clemson, but they get them at home.
If they lose that one, I mean, I think they're
winning all the rest of their games. It's Duke and
wake Forest and Stanford Virginia. I mean, it's a very
(01:22:26):
easy navigatable schedule for Belichick. So I mean, like he says,
much I want to say, is he's gonna crash and
burn there. I think I think he's gonna win there.
Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
We'll leave it with this.
Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
So it was a podcast that Juliannelman was doing with
Rob Gronkowski and Nicky Glazer of course, who has a
connection to all of them through the Tom Brady roast
putting a comment out there ending it with people are
out for blood. But then you get Jim Belichick, who
is the daughter in law to Bill and married to
his son Steve, who wrote, publicists act in a in
(01:23:00):
a professional manner and don't storm off delaying an interview.
That's what Jen wrote in return. So we wondered, like,
what maybe like Bill's kids, who I think he's got
a daughter and two sons. We know about the two
sons and the daughter from footage from the Saban and
Belichick documentary being at his being at our wedding and
speaking there. But that probably tells me that the kids
(01:23:23):
are not on board with this.
Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Yeah, no way, because you.
Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
Can you imagine they have like a family function and
she's like bossing the kids around.
Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Oh, the kids.
Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
The kids are gonna be like, look, you can boss
our dad around and for some ungodly reason, he's taking
orders from you, But we're not taking orders from you.
Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Sean, Sean, I'll end it with this. Sean brought up
a great point. The other day, what if they have
a child together, Like, can you imagine, like what Steve
Brian and his daughter? Like, if that's my dad that happened,
I'd never speak to him again. I'd be like, you've
completely forgotten about us, dude, see.
Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Yak sevente at seventy three. I don't know if Belichicks
got the amo anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
That's a fair point. That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Things we learned about in health class, right, Gordy, good
high gien. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, yeah that too, that
too for sure. Hey, buddy, I appreciate the first couple
of hours. Got Jackson Gatlin coming in with us. We'll
get into a lot of Rockets talk. But are we
talking Game seven on Monday.
Speaker 5 (01:24:29):
Let's go, Yes, let's go find a way Rockets. Rockets
find a way to win the night.
Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
For sure, for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
All right, appreciate it, Gordy, he is out, Jackson Gatlin
is in. The Shawn Salisbury Show continues final two hours
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As we're gonna get into a lot of Rockets talk
with Jackson Gatlin locked on Rockets in studio with me.
You can find him on Twitter at j T Gatlin
speaking of the Rockets game six tonight from the Bay
Area against the Warriors, and it's going to tip off,
Uh just after eight, I believe is when it's going
(01:25:50):
to be a tip off there in the Bay Area.
But the Rocket's trying to win that one and keep
the season alive. Astros are in Chicago taking on the
White Sox or Astros on deck coming your way here
on your home of the Astros Sports Talk at seven
to ninety. But Jackson, you know just this Rockets series.
Heard you the other night with ac on on Rockets
(01:26:14):
launch Pad, and one of the things that stood out
to me was, you know, you're all over this team
and Jalen Green has been the storyline that just won't
go away in this series.
Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
And for a good reason. I mean, game two he
was great.
Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
The other three I guess in this case, now the
other four he's not been so great.
Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
But is this team better without him on the floor.
Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
I mean, I think if you go and look at
a lot of the different advanced numbers and different metrics
out there, and I could, I could pull up a
laundry list of different advanced stats and everything that would
suggest the team is better without him on the floor.
But the problem is the way that this roster's constructed
is he's the one guy that has his specific skill set.
Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
On the team.
Speaker 9 (01:26:52):
He's the one dynamic lead guard on the team. There's
things that he can do that Fred van Vliet only
dreams that he could do on a basketball floor. And
so when you get the good version of Jalen Green,
that's when this Rockets team is elite.
Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
That's when they're unbeatable.
Speaker 9 (01:27:07):
Right, They're something like thirteen to one to fourteen to
one this season when he scores thirty or more points.
Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
And so the proof is in the pudding.
Speaker 9 (01:27:13):
When you get the best version of Jalen Green, this
Rockets team looks incredibly good. You get alp rin Chingund
in the middle, doing his work facilitating rebounding. He's a
much improved defender. Then you get all the other guys,
the wing defenders, everybody that makes this Rockets team special.
And that is honestly a championship recipe right there. The
issue is, and has been for most of Jalen Green's career,
(01:27:34):
has been the inconsistency in his game, right night to night.
Which version of Jalen Green do you get?
Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Now? This season?
Speaker 9 (01:27:40):
I think he's done a remarkable job of kind of
eliminating a lot of the lows throughout the year. Right,
you don't see the lows, and even when he does
have like an off night bag game, he's gotten a
lot better about rebounding, responding the very next game out
after game one, I had a feeling that he was
gonna respond in a big way in game two, and
he comes out and you know, Erupts has thirty eight point.
It looks incredible, right, future superstar material. Then he struggles
(01:28:04):
on the road in games three and four, And a
lot of this has to do with how the Golden
State Warriors are defending him.
Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
They change it on a game to game basis.
Speaker 9 (01:28:11):
Game two, they elected to take Draymond Green out of
a lot of the ballscreen actions, which really gave Jalen
kind of free reign to do whatever he wanted to do. Offensively.
He made all the right reads. He was knocking down
his shots eight threes that night. But then you see
the Warriors and they switch up their coverages and they've
been the best defense in the NBA since adding Jimmy Butler.
And that's a tall task, that's a tall order for
Jalen Green to navigate that on a night to night basis.
(01:28:34):
So for the Rockets, I mean, I feel like here
in game six, they're gonna need something special from him,
especially on the road. And look, you got you know,
I know it's you know, everybody's first playoff series, the
first taste of postseason action for all the young guys.
That is right, Fred Dylan, Steven Adams, they've been there,
But you know you kind of I think the expectation
now should be like, look, you got the first game,
(01:28:55):
jitters out of the way, you responded great in game two.
He struggled on the road in games three and four,
struggled back at home in Game five, although to be
fair to his credit, it looked like he was getting
ready to have one of those special Jayalen Green performances.
Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Had the and one basket.
Speaker 9 (01:29:08):
First hoop of the game, changes hands, midair scores at
the rim, absorbs contact, gets the free throw, and then
he cans a three pointer a couple possessions later. It's
unfortunate that he banged knees with Steph Curry and kind
of sideline him a little bit that game, and then
by the time he made it back on the floor,
rockets were rolled and the offense looked good. Everything was humming,
So he didn't really need to force the issue as
much in that game. But Game six on the road
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in the Bay Area, you're gonna need something special from
not only Jalen Green, but also Alprin, Shangoon and a
Men Thompson.
Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
I'm gonna get to the rest of the guys in
a second, but I mean tell me if I'm wrong here.
I kind of felt like there was a concerted effort
to get to the basket in game five, like it
was where you'd see some of those lanes being cut off,
and we're gonna settle for mid rangers or maybe even
an ill advised three. Even if it's wide open, You've
still got other options on the floor.
Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
But is that.
Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Something that maybe they've unlocked Dow now that they feel like, hey, yeah,
we can bang you up down low, we can make
this happen.
Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
You know.
Speaker 9 (01:30:05):
It kind of feels like to me that they've just
they're starting to really understand the Warriors a little bit better.
And you see it game to game, literally from game
one to two to three, to four to five, this
Rockets team has gotten a better understanding of the Warriors
as the series has progressed. And that's kind of the
beauty of like a seven game series. You deal with
the same opponent each and every night, and so you
watching the coaches and what adjustments they make and all
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this stuff for the players. And I said this, you know,
on my show before the series even started. Is you know,
because they're also young, they're also in experience. They haven't
been in a series like this before. Many of the
players up and down the roster. I figured that they
would get more comfortable as the series progress because they
would start to understand, Okay, this is how the adjustments work,
this is what they're trying to do, This is how
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they're trying to limit us offensively, this is where they're
trying to hurt us when they're on offense. And I
really do feel like you look up and down the roster.
Different guys have really started to settle into this series.
And in Game five, to me, the big difference maker was,
you know, after the first couple of games and especially
Game one, Emy talked about this a lot after the game,
that they played in a crowd too much.
Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
You know, the Warriors love to pack the paint.
Speaker 9 (01:31:10):
They want to, they won't will dare you to beat
them from the perimeter, and so they're they're having guys
sag off defensively packing the paint, and the Rockets played
in a crowd way too much in Game one. The
difference there in Game five is they made the right read.
They did a great job of getting a quick paint
touch and then getting that outlet pass, kicking it out
to an open shooter. And then it didn't just stop there,
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because you can, you know, get a quick paint touch,
quick driving kick, get it out to the shooter, and
maybe you get a quick rushed kind of three. You know,
Warriors get a decent close out on it. They did
a great job just moving the basketball around so you
pass up a good shot off the initial kickout, you
swing it to the next man over, while the Warrior's
defense is a rotation. You turn a good shot into
a great shot, and then at the end of the day,
you know, you just got to actually knock down the shots.
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That's sometimes basketball just comes down to you, like did
you hit your shots or not? Like was the process good?
Sure is one thing, but did you actually make the shot.
You can generate all the white shots in the world,
but it doesn't matter if you can't actually get the
ball in the hoop.
Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
It's the name of the game.
Speaker 9 (01:32:04):
And so for the Rockets there in game five, everybody
was firing on all cylinders and I just hope that
they didn't completely empty the clip in that one, so
they got a little bit of something left for game
six again.
Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Jackson Gatlin locked on Rockets hanging out with us for
the next couple hours here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
You know, you mentioned Fred and I almost kind of
worry with him, is there a shelf life to this? Like,
you know, we've gotten good shooting performances in game four
and then of course game five he's able to do
it again. But I mean, does that kind of worry
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you a little bit of Hey, if you're going to
try to count on that guy to provide that part
of your offense, it's going to not be something that's
going to be a long term solution.
Speaker 13 (01:32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (01:32:44):
I mean, here's the thing is, when the Rockets signed
Fred Right, he wasn't supposed to be any kind of
a long term solution. Fred and Dylan when they were
brought in was you know, the idea was to have
them kind of be more or less the training wheels
for this young core right kind of guide them back
to competitive basketball, what it's like to be a professional,
all that stuff. And I think that's where you see
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a little bit of the frustration with kind of where
Jalen Green is at in his career, his growth kind
of you know, the inconsistencies in his game. Is there
are some Rockets fans I see out there who take
who are frustrated on some nights where Fred is, you know,
getting up too many shots, this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
And my message is.
Speaker 9 (01:33:20):
Usually, well, Fred is a very willing like he will
gladly sit in the corner and let Jalen Green run
the show and take you know, eight shot attempts at
night and only the open threes. Whatever, he feels the
need to kind of force the issue, especially when Jalen
doesn't have it going, because the Rockets recipe for success
is very clearly they need one of Jalen Green or
Fred van Vliet on a night to night basis to
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have a strong game from the perimeter to help keep
the defense on us. Right, run that two man game
with Alparin Shingoun, generate decent looks, run the offense, all
that stuff. And there's some games where Jalen doesn't and
he looks phenomenal, right, looks like a future superstar. And
then there's others where he really struggles, right, really struggled
there in Game four of the early turnovers, the ball,
pressure from the Warriors, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
So for Fred, I don't think.
Speaker 9 (01:34:03):
That there's necessarily a shelf life on it. He is
a very streaky shooter, and that's kind of the downside
for Fred is he doesn't have the downhill gravity, the
athleticism to get to the rim put that kind of
pressure on the Warriors defense. So for Fred, it's very
much like is your shot falling. If it is awesome,
you're gonna look great. If your SHOT's not falling. Things
are gonna get ugly really really quick for this Rockets offense.
Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Again, Jackson Gallan join us here in studio, will continue
the Rockets conversation. You want to get in on said
Rockets conversation the phone line some one three two one
two five seven ninety against someone three two one two
five seven nine zero. Something we did see in Game
five that we do hope will translate to tonight, maybe
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even to Sunday. But why did it take so long?
We'll discuss here. It is the Sean Salisbury Show, Sports
Talk seven to ninety.
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But again someone three two one two five seven ninety
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you know, Jackson. One of the things that sit out
for me from Wednesday night Rockets able to win that game.
UH one thirty one one sixteen thirty two of thirty
eight from the free throw line eighty four percent, And
I'm just kind of like how, like like like how
how does that all of the sudden happen for you?
Like how do you go from being during the series
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sixty three percent going up almost twenty something percent? Like
where I'm going with this is like I was almost
kind of angry, Like I was just like, you have that,
you know that you can do this. It's clearly about form,
it's clearly about discipline, it's clearly about other things that
go into making those shots that it's just like, if
you could do it, why weren't you doing it? It's
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so much more mental than anything else, Like that's what
free throw shooting is. It's mental top to bottom. And
so when you get you know, game one, uh, what
is it? Fifty five percent in game one? Game two
they go eighty percent, right, So then they swing it
back up eighty percent. Game three on the road, they're
all the way back down again at fifty eight point
three percent. Game four on the road again sixty one
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point three percent, and then you're right right, they swing
it in game five, and not only do they get
a ton of free throw attempt, so they capitalized on it, right,
thirty eight trips there, hit thirty two of them, but
eighty four point two percent.
Speaker 9 (01:36:32):
I mean, it's one of those where it's you hear you,
your coaches talk about it. Sometimes free throw shooting is infectious, right,
Like bad free throw shooting will absolutely destroy a team.
One guy starts missing a couple of free throws, he
gets in his head a little bit, and then other
guys see the miss free throws and it's just one
of those weird like basketball phenomenon that are out there.
And it's unfortunate because you look at the margins and
how close some of the games were earlier in this series,
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and you can just kind of sit here and say, man,
if they just hit their free throws, we could be
talking about a series that might be, you know, three
to two in favor of the Rockets right now, or hell,
maybe a series where they could have actually close things
out at Toyota Center in five games. As unbelievable as
that sounds, but that's how important the free throw shooting
has been throughout this series, and so it is a
frustrating thing. It is, you know, understandable to look at
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that and be like, well, like, why can't you just
do it? And unfortunately, you know, you like take a
look at the body of work where the Rockets have
been all season. They've been one of the worst shooting
teams all season. Free throw line, three point line doesn't matter.
They're not a great shooting team. And so you take
that and you look at, you know, their style of
play top five in the NBA and free throws generated
per game in the regular season, and it's unfortunate because
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you're just leaving so many points at the board and
for a team that very much struggles on the offensive
side of the ball to not be able to lean
into at least one of those like strengths, right, Like, yeah,
you're top five and free throws generated, but if your
bottom five and three throw percentage, like how much are
you actually converting on those? So it is a frustrating
thing to look at when you're just trying to figure
out where the margins for improvement are in this series
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and how they can you know, hopefully come out on top.
Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Steve Kerr and the Warriors don't want this to get
to Sunday. They don't So for everything that we just
talked about with the rockets the free throw line. If
it is five point lead, two minutes left to go,
we're gonna start to see hakka shingoon hacka, whoever get
them the free throw line. I mean that's pretty much
where normally you see that in the final minute. The
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NBA doesn't do it as much as college. Like that
cracks me up the college game. Hey, we're down by fifteen,
but we're still gonna send them to the line. You're
down by fifteen, you're not winning this game, Like, just
let it play out.
Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
No, you're right.
Speaker 9 (01:38:37):
And I mean it's one of those where from a
as a fan of like all the different little adjustments
and x's and o's and things that these coaches have
to think about and that they get paid, you know,
the big bucks to decide on and figure out. From
a strategy perspective, I love it. I love the chess
match of like, Okay, you're gonna put a bad shooter
on the floor. Cool, we're gonna send him to the
free throw line and make him prove that he can
stay on the floor. But from like a fan perspective
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consuming the product, it sucks. Nobody wants to see Steven
Adams shooting free throws in the third quarter because the
Rockets gotten the bonus, or sorry, the Warriors gotten the
bonus a little early, and now you're taking advantage of
what should be something that is a weakness, right, like
getting in the bonus, and you know, give wrapping those
free throws to an opposing team is such a weird strategy,
and I don't I mean, you got to go all
the way back to right, hack of shack, you know,
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and I'm sure it even existed before that. I'm aging
myself here, but hacker Howard, hack of Howard here, absolutely right.
It's been a thing for you know, god knows how
many years, and I don't know what the fix would
be from an NBA rules perspective to try and get
rid of it. Obviously you can't do it in the
final two minutes of the game. It can't foul away
from the ball because then it's you know, you get
possession and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
So I don't know, you know, it was.
Speaker 9 (01:39:42):
It was definitely a talking point though after Game four
because Steven Adams played so well in that game and
then late in that fourth quarter, with about like three
four minutes left, uh Kevon Looney backed back fouls on
Steven Adams intentional fouls because they were looking to get
the Rockets in the bonus and they were going to
punish Houston by sending Steven Adams to the free throw line. Now, unfortunately,
the rest of that way from the point where the
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Rockets would have been in the bonus, Imo Udoka elected
to sub out Steven Adams, bring back Alprin Shingun or whoever.
Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
Else was out there.
Speaker 9 (01:40:11):
Maybe Alpi was out there with the double big lineup,
but basically subbing out Steven Adams, and the Rockets wound
up scoring less than one point per possession the rest
of the way in that game. And that was also,
you know, infamously where Jimmy Butler got the three free
throws under sixty seconds ago the Dylan Brooks three shot foul,
and that was, you know, an unfortunate turn of events
for Houston.
Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
But it's one of those where you're like, man, you.
Speaker 9 (01:40:33):
Could have just kept Steven Adams in the game and
played like the whole hack of Adams gambit, and you
would have probably come out on top with better offense,
more points produced in that window of time from you know,
about four minutes left in the game to about the
two minute mark where you stop being able to do
the hack of Shack stuff or the hack of Adams stuff,
And that was definitely one of those things you probably
look back on, you're like, man, if you could, and
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he's so many of those throughout this year. He changed
one little thing, one little moment, one little decision, and
Rockets could have I'm out on top. And I think
that's one thing that Rockets fans should be incredibly optimistic about.
Is every win by the Words in the series has
been very narrow, and meanwhile, the Rockets two wins have
been overwhelmingly positive, like they were really good in their
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two wins. Granted, you can get into the variables, Jimmy
Butler's injury in game two, all that stuff. Is he
healthy in Game five? That's definitely doesn't look like himself
right now. But I think that should bode well for
the Rockets that things have been so close right now
that it feels like they're almost due for one where
like the fifty to fifty stuff goes their way while
the you know, the the questionable calls me be swing
their way a little bit potentially here in game six.
Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Hopefully that is the case again someone three two, one, two,
five seven ninety the number to get in on the
phone lines and Biscuit wants to win.
Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
In Good morning, Biscuit, how you doing.
Speaker 8 (01:41:45):
Eight top of the morning, My brothers, hey man, I
had a couple of questions in your observation of the Rockets.
In my one of the things that I don't know
if you think the same way, but one of the
things I think is Jalen and Fred are both better
off the ball as when they're shooters then running the point.
And my thinking is, at some point, do you think
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Thompson will be the one be like a point forward
to free up Jalen and Fred to be the shooters,
Because I mean, we all talk about how the Rockers
are not a good shooting team, but to me, they're
not a good ball handling team per se. And I
just I think that's why the Warriors trying to press
him to keep them from getting into their offense. If
they can get into it in the earlier point, I
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think the Rockets can take advantage of the Warriors. But
if it's laid in the clock, you know, Sam Goon
and some of the other guys.
Speaker 12 (01:42:36):
You know, it just seems like That's one thing, and
the other thing is Jabari. I just think Jabari needs
more minutes. And I don't understand why the coach, for
whatever reason, he seems like he favors Eastern oak Jabari.
I mean, maybe you can, you know, found on that
a little bit. But I just think Jabari gives them
more flexibility because he's quick on his feet. Plus he
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has late and he's probably wanted a better shoolder. So
you know, I just you know, those two things is
one to kind of go through my mind when I'm
looking at the Rockets.
Speaker 9 (01:43:07):
Appreciated Biscuit. Yeah, Biscuit, thanks for the thoughts. Look just
first on the Jalen Fred kind of debacle problem, whatever
you want to call it, I think that I'm with
you to an extent, right. You know, Fred is absolutely
a guy you can play him on ball, off ball,
and like I was saying earlier in an earlier segment,
is just you know you can with Fred.
Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
You can play him off ball, and.
Speaker 9 (01:43:29):
He's more than happy to sit off ball and just
knock down the catch and shoot threes and play hard
nosed defense on the other side, you know, be that
kind of vocal leader. The extension of the coaching staff
on the floor. But the problem comes in where if
you're not generating enough offense, like you got to be
able to run, you know, a steady diet of pick
and roll at times with Alprin Shangun. You got to
put that pressure on the Warriors defense. And I agree
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with you. I think that the future vision for a
men Thompson with this team is absolutely something like a
point forward type. You look at his skill set and
what he's capable and what he's been doing right here
and just just year two of his career, and he's
kind of in that same mold as like a mix
between a Russell Westbrook and Giannison Tetakumpo, a guy who
you know, he's struggling right now, you know, outside shots
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not great TVD on if it'll ever actually be great,
although he's made a lot of progress with it just
this season alone, So I have, you know, high hopes
that he'll get to a place where it's at least
respectable down the line in his career. But you know,
you just don't get necessarily the right amount of gravity
defensively if you run, say a Men Thompson as your
primary ball handler and you're setting screens with Shingoon or Adams.
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You know, situationally, some of those high screens work where
he can get you know, ahead of steam and get
downhill and put some pressure on the rim for the Warriors.
But the other issue is, because he's not a shooter, right,
they can put him on, they can send defenders under
the screen, they can sag off of him, and so
it's not the same as trying to guard Fred van
Vliet or Jalen Green in the pick and roll where
the Warriors defenders really have to be up to touch.
They have to fight over the screens, and that's what
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generates that offensive advantage where you see alp Rin Shangoon
diving hard to the rim, you know, getting those little
pocket passes, and then he gets to decide whether he's
gonna attack, put the ball on the floor, kick it
out for a shooter, all those different things. So, you know,
it's just unfortunate that the Rockets don't necessarily have another
option to go to to maybe play Jalen and Fred
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a little bit more off ball, and Jalen is capable
of playing off ball as well, but it's fully dependent
on whether or not his SHOT's going in right if
Jalen shots going in, then yeah, you can spot him
up on the three point line, let him take threes,
and he'll definitely punish you. But Jalen's absolutely a rhythm guy.
He needs to feel the ball in his hands. He
needs to be able to kind of you know, work
up a work up, a good lather a little bit
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on the court and kind of you know, I've always
been a firm proponent of Look, if Jalen needs to
take a couple mid range shots or drive to the
rim a little bit, like I don't I'm not worried
so much about the efficiency of some of those like.
Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
Long twos or whatever you normally want.
Speaker 9 (01:45:52):
To shy away from, especially in today's NBA with you know,
such a focus on analytics and all that. Just get
into a good rhythm early and you can usually see
it right when Jalen hits his first, you know, couple
shots of a game. You can almost anticipate when the
good Jalen Green games are going to happen versus the
bad ones where you see maybe misses a couple shots,
or if his first couple attempts are just catching shoot
threes from the perimeter. They don't feel as great as
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when Jalen's actually running the show and orchestrating the offense himself.
Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Yeah, And I mean, you know, of all the other
things you have to contend with in this series is
you know the physicality of it. You know how much
of it is going to go against you, how much
of it is going to benefit you. And these are
things that have played out all throughout it as I mean,
we've seen this be a tightly contested series, even sometimes
the emotions bubbling over. And that's where I want to
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take the conversation next, because me and Gordy talked about
this a little bit earlier because there was something that
happened in Game five that I felt like, oh that
was coached up, that was intentional. And we also know
who the Gray Shirts are for tonight, does it benefit
the Rockets? We'll talk about that here. It is a
Sean Salisbury Show. Jackson Gatlin in for Sean. Here, final
hour and a half of the show here on a
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Sports Talk seven ninety and the.
Speaker 7 (01:47:04):
Sean Salisbury Show continued.
Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
The officially referee assignments are out and the crew chief
tonight James Capers. The referee is Michael Irvin Mitchell Irvin,
excuse me, and JB. DeRosa is going to be the
third official on the floor. So we pretty much knew
that what Tony brother is doing the Pistons and Nick's
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game last night, that he would not be on this one.
But do you think there is any possibility, Jackson, if
we get to Sunday that we get a at least
Tony Brothers sighting. And remember that one year, didn't they
double whammy the Rockets one year of both Tony Brothers
and Scott Foster.
Speaker 9 (01:47:48):
Yeah, that was the dynamic duo at play. Unfortunately for
any NBA fan, you see those two guys walking in
through the door and you're like, you know, you're in
for hell in whatever that game is. Look, my thing
is I just I'm I'm not a fan of Tony
Brothers whatsoever, but he is easily the lesser of two evils.
If somehow Scott Foster comes walking through that door. He's
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been nursing that injury that he got back in I
think like early March. He was actually in the replay
center for I believe game one of this series Rockets Warriors,
and that was unfortunate.
Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
Every time there was a challenge that game, I was like, here.
Speaker 9 (01:48:23):
It goes, Scott Foster is gonna put his fingerprints on
this game. Look, as long as it's not Scott Foster
in Game seven, I will be happy.
Speaker 4 (01:48:31):
I don't know if I.
Speaker 9 (01:48:31):
Can go through the emotional turmoil of another Scott Foster
officiated Game seven between the Houston Rockets and Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
I think it might destroy me. Honestly.
Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Yeah, I don't think we need that type of you know,
bad memories bubbling up or anything else that could possibly happen,
because I mean, you know, as Rockets fans, we've been
through our fair share of Hey, Kevin Durant was out
of bounds, you didn't call it, and you lose that game.
We've had quite a few over the last few years
when it comes to that, and you're hoping that it
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just comes down to the play on the floor. But
part of the play on the floor, though, has been
a little bit of these teams mixing it up with
each other. And I brought this up with Gordy earlier,
and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. I
feel like it was intentional. The other night when you
get the amen Thompson put back, He's fouled, and I
think it was Gary Payton Junior that he was getting
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into it with. And then out of nowhere, here comes
stilling Brooks, that number nine jersey coming through the paint
and telling them nope, pushing him out of the way,
saying we're not doing it, We're not going to do this.
Do you feel like that was talked about before the
game of saying, hey, look, if we're gonna give ourselves
any opportunity, we have to stop doing that stuff.
Speaker 9 (01:49:44):
I don't think that it was necessary, like we need
to stop doing that stuff. I just think there's a
time and a place for it. And for one, it's unbelievable.
You gotta be really like off the deep end for
Dylan Brooks of all people to step in and play peacemaker.
That means like, look, you know, I've I've you know,
seen and been around in men Thompson since he was
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drafted by the Rockets. I remember being at the draft
in New York and and you know, seeing him at
summer camp and kind of learning his story and kind
of where he came from. The dude is a basketball sicko.
The dude is obsessed. Like we're talking Michael Jordan levels
obsessed about like being in a I remember this pre
draft story coming out on him, like the dude would
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go to an open gym with his brother a sar
and they literally just locked themselves in a gym for
hours on end, no music, no vibes, no nothing, just
getting shots of just pure work. That is like like
almost like Joe Missoula level, like serial killer behavior, but
like in a player and you love that.
Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
You love that commitment to the game.
Speaker 9 (01:50:44):
And a Men Thompson's got a bit of like a
dark side to him, Like you've seen it all throughout
the season. He is not afraid to mix it up
with anybody. Shout out to Tyler Harrow. I think you
can still see like the scuff marks on Toyota Center
Court from where uh A Men Thompson ragged alled him
across the floor earlier this season. The Rockets have definitely
in race that mentality from Emo Doka right then, We're
not backing down from anybody. We'll throw hands with anybody
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if we need to. And I think that the Rockets
actually generally play better once a dust up like that happens,
once they kind of get into it with another team
they love it. They relish the physicality of it all.
And in that moment, right a men Thompson he was hyped,
you know, absorbed some contact from GP two, got the
and one possibility and was just he turns out he
was he was actually talking trash GP two, like literally
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all game long. I have a close friend who is
actually at the game and a little bit closer than
where like my media seat is, and apparently like just
all game long that he's talking trash and he's like,
you're not anything. You're trash, your garbage, like all this
stuff all game long. And you love to hear that
kind of stuff because that's how a men Thompson stays
locked in and motivated and engaged.
Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
And I had the chance to ask.
Speaker 9 (01:51:47):
Dylan Brooks after game five, you know, what, what are
you seeing from a men Thompson defensively?
Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
You know, especially in this game?
Speaker 9 (01:51:54):
In game five he had eight stocks, right, so five
steals by five steals by halftime, mind you to go
along with three blocks. He ripped Steph Curry a couple
of times, had one where he blocked Curry from behind.
Just just an absolute menace on that side of the ball.
And Dylan said that he's taken the match up personally, right,
He's going in and he is taking it personally, and
you could see that, you could feel a Men Thompson's
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presence on both sides of the floor there in Game five.
So I don't know if it was necessarily intentional where
the Rockets like made like a team mandate, like hey,
let's you know, let's let's take it easy, let's not
get into it, let's not mix.
Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
It up with the Warriors.
Speaker 9 (01:52:28):
But I think just in that moment, Dylan wanted to
make sure that he kept a Men Thompson focused and
that they didn't start something right then and there, because again,
there's like a time and a place for that stuff
in a game.
Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Well, I mean, you know, to the point that you
just brought up, I mean, you're down three to one.
You don't want to give yourself any opportunity when you've
built up all this momentum in this game. Don't let
those guys back in now. Eventually they did, and you
had to kind of sweat it out there for a
little bit where you're looking at the scoreboard and you're
kind of like, oh man, time's not really on our
side right now. Like even though you don't have the
starters on the floor, you still got to be able
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to try to close this out, and the Rockets were
able to do that. But I mean to your point
about a men, I mean, I feel like that's the
guy that we'd been waiting for all series, because we
saw that guy all throughout the season. You mentioned the
Tyler Hero thing, the rematch of them going up against
each other. He picks Tyler Hero, and there was some
force behind that dunk of like letting you know, like, hey,
(01:53:20):
you want to try a trash talk me off the floor.
He wants tell me to go home, do all that
kind of stuff. Guess what, I'm not only going to
throw you to the floor. I'm gonna remind you that
I'm the better guy here. Oh absolutely. And you you
love that.
Speaker 9 (01:53:31):
You love a player who kind of holds a grudge,
has like a little you know, wants a little revenge
in the next meet up between two teams, And I
absolutely amen. Thompson had that matchup circled on his calendar.
He was nursing the ankle injury right before that game.
He missed a couple of games prior, and you kind
of just knew you were like no, he's gonna push
through it, and he's gonna find a way to show
up for this game. There's no way you're gonna keep
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him sidelined for this one in his you know, a
one and only opportunity for a rematch against Tyler Harrow.
But look at his performance in this series, and he's
absolutely settling in. You know, he Let's be honest, he
really struggled. He was pretty bad in games one through three,
after looking like an absolute showstopper in the final regular
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season meeting between these two teams where he held Steph
Curry literally scoreless, Like Steph didn't score on a men
Thompson that finally regular final regular season game, Rockets held
him to just three points, and the three points that
he did score was that kind of like Hail Mary prayer
just before halftime from like center court. Just one of
those you know, normal Steph Curry shots, just ridiculous. But
for a men Thompson, I think it's just you know,
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he's young, right, just like a lot of the other
guys on this team. But he really struggled defensively earlier
in the series, and you know, Steph is is let's
you know, make it very clear nobody is ever a
Steph Curry stopper. There are certain players you just can't
stop them. You make life difficult for them, You try
to make things as hard as humanly possible for them,
and you kind of just also hope that they have
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an off night. And that's that's your best hope against
some of the all time great players, right, And that
is what Steph Curry is. He is an all time great.
There's maybe an argument to be made. I know he
you know, no lists on the show, but maybe maybe
a top ten player all time who knows, Uh, there's
certainly an argument there. And for a men Thompson in
year two of his career to go from kind of
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struggling earlier in this series to really studying, you know,
obviously pouring over film, making adjustments and understanding where he
needs to and where he can improve in in regards
to holding Steph Curry as as the primary defender. He's
gotten so much better as the series has progressed Game four,
so much better. Didn't wasn't biting on the pump fakes,
(01:55:38):
wasn't getting you know, wasn't falling for kind of some
of the craft and the uh, the you know, fakes
and misdirection that Steph has in his game, really staying
glued to him. And then it got even better there
in Game five, where he was he was the aggressor right,
Like you know, usually when you're on defense, right, you're
you're just you're playing defense and you don't want to
play defense like on your heels or anything like that.
But like he was sending a message defensively against Steph
(01:56:00):
Curry in that game, really setting the tone, and I
think that kind of that intensity on defense, as well
as the fact that he's starting to figure some things
out offensively against this Warriors team, it kind of helped
fuel his defense even more, right, because there's an understanding
if you're struggling offensively, you're missing shots, if you're getting
targeted by the Warriors defense because they're basically like, no
(01:56:23):
show us, prove to us that you can be an
offensive threat, which is exactly what happened in Game three.
The Warriors put so much attention on Jalen Green on
the perimeter, sending two to the ball.
Speaker 4 (01:56:32):
Blitzing him.
Speaker 9 (01:56:33):
The Rockets got a lot of opportunities for like these
four on three power plays with Alphain shingoun or men
Thompson being on the receiving end of a pass from
Jalen Green, where the Warriors were sent in two weight
like sometimes all the way out to like half court,
just trying to force the ball out of his hands.
And then those two guys in particular really struggled in
Game three to capitalize on those opportunities. And I think
it was kind of like second half end of Game
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four more so where Amn Thompson really started to settle
and you could see he's like, Okay, this is how
I'm going to attack Quentin Post. This is how I'm
gonna attack if somebody else is guarding me. This is
what I can do in transition. And then he took
that to a completely another level in Game five where
he was just incredible. The stat line that he had
there in Game five, I'm going off rip from memory,
but I think it was twenty five points the eight stocks,
(01:57:18):
so eight five steels, three blocks, six rebounds, three assists,
and three turnovers. He's only the third player in NBA
Playoff history to record that specific stat line, certainly the
youngest to have done it. In the other two names
Rick Berry and Houston's own Achim Olajuan that's some elite
company to be mentioned with in just your fifth playoff
game ever in your career and just in year two
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of your career.
Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
Just absurd.
Speaker 3 (01:57:43):
Yeah, I mean easily, if you're in a company with
those guys, you're you're doing things right early on in
your career and hopefully it just continues for a men
Thompson being proactive in this series. That's something that one
side has done really well and the Rockets are hoping
they can do that tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:58:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
Ninety all throughout this series, you know, just to kind
of close out this hour here, we've seen Steve Kerr
and the Warriors make adjustments and they worked out well.
Obviously Game three they took away Jalen Green. We've seen
different lineups thrown out there in different ways of using
guys in rotation, and it felt like that again to
(01:59:15):
me that in Game five, this was a Rockets team
offensively that said, hey, we've got to get back to
physicality offensively, we got to get inside. No more getting
pushed off the spot and having to settle for you know,
a mid ranger and maybe it goes down, maybe it doesn't,
but you give yourself a chance at the rim, you've
got a much better chance. What ways, can ema Udoka
(01:59:37):
and his staff be proactive tonight against the Warriors of
trying to take them off their game?
Speaker 9 (01:59:42):
Yeah, I think you look at some of the success
from Game five and I you know, I don't want
to take anything away from the Rockets. But the Warriors
went into that game with like this really weird mentality
of like, I think you've heard an interview like before
the game and might I don't know if it was
like his pregame interviews officially, it might have been like
a radio interview or something, but he they basically went
into the the game with the mentality of, yeah, well,
like if things don't go our way, you know, we'll
(02:00:03):
rest our guys, and you know, we'll get ready for
Game six. It's like that's a losing mentality to go
into Game five with to begin with, Like why not
just actually show up and try and take care of business?
Speaker 5 (02:00:12):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
And that's that's what got them.
Speaker 9 (02:00:14):
You know, a couple of years ago when they had
their first round series with the Sacramento Kings, they didn't
take care of business in in game in game six
of that series, and it's kind of a repeat of
what happened for them here in Game five against Houston
is you know, you you give a team life and
so credit to the Rockets. They played incredible and I
think that's what, you know, put the Warriors on their heels,
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and you saw Steve Kerr, you know, halfway through the
third quarter waving the white flag and moving on completely
until we saw like the weird third string push. That
was such a weird playoff game scenario. But I think that,
you know, it's it shows a little bit of cockiness
right from the Warriors that they just thought it just
we'll just go home and we'll just take care of
business in Game six. Like, this Rockets team has shown
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that they are capable of beating good teams on the road.
They're the only team in the NBA this season that
managed to beat both the OKC Thunder and the Cleveland
Cavaliers throughout the entire calendar campaign, and they beat both
of those teams on their home court. Right those are
the two best teams in the entire NBA, and they
rose to the occasion they were able to do that.
So you're telling me you don't think that the Rockets
(02:01:17):
can go to the Bay and take game there. I
think they absolutely can. And you start looking at little areas,
you know, the margins the big thing for me, and
think something that stood out that was glaringly obvious that
they needed to find a way to improve. After Games
three and four in San Francisco, they let the Warriors
beat them in second chance points, and that just flat
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out cannot happen. One, they're rolling out an incredibly tiny
starting lineup, right, You got Draymond Green at the five,
and he's all of a towering six foot five. Now,
granted he's one of the greatest defenders of all time,
give him that, but they're running this really small, versatile
lineup really hoping to stretch the Rockets defense out. That's
why they inserted Buddy Healed these past couple of games.
You know, he had the really great game three well
off the bench, and so then he gets the starting
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nod from Steve Kerr the next couple of games for
the Rockets, though, in that third and fourth game of
the series, you know, they built an entire identity off
of second chance points, offensive rebounds all season long, that physicality,
and they just didn't take care of that in games
three and four. And you cannot lose that. That's one
of the Rockets win conditions is you need to generate
those second chance points and get those kickouts and extra
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offensive opportunities, especially when you struggle to shoot the ball
as much as they do.
Speaker 3 (02:02:28):
Unfortunately, Yeah, and it was a points in the paint
battle of fifty four to fifty four in Game five,
and the Warrior is only able to edge them out
fifteen to thirteen and second or fast break points in
that game five. But I mean, you know, for all
the things you talked about, I mean, rebounding, second chance opportunities,
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all those things, that's what the Rockets have to live
off of, and hopefully they are able to take advantage
of those spots tonight. A little bit of a difference
in the rotation that we saw in game five, see
if it translates over to game six tonight. We'll discuss
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us here in studio for another hour, and you can
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find him on Twitter at j T Gatlin. He's got
that blue check mark, so you know it's him. I mean,
you know, sometimes people get drawn off sides by that
now because I mean, you know, obviously you can you
can buy the blue check mark, but you know it's
usually for those of you know, if anybody ever throws
out news, oh my god, hey did you see this? Yeah,
that's Adam she Flir, not to Adam Schefter. There's a
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major difference.
Speaker 9 (02:05:03):
You know, I don't know if this is this is
gonna I don't know if this is gonna sound so
pathetic or not, But there was like a moment like
earlier on in my career, like kind of making a
name for myself, like kind of coming up the ropes
of like talking about the Rockets and covering the team
and whatnot. That Like I remember the morning I woke
up and had the check mark and like a bunch
of people were like tagging me on Twitter like oh
my god, he got the check And it was like
kind of a cool moment, right because like that was
like the signifying like hey, like you're legit, right, Like
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I remember kind of aspiring to some other guys like
like MT or the Atoms and wanting to get to
that level of like being like, you know, hey, I'm
official enough that like and now it's just like a thing,
and so it doesn't even like I don't even put
any stock into it anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:05:39):
You're you're You're verified. You're you're verified in the church
that is Twitter. It is a church to some people.
You know that it's also a cult to some people.
Actually unfortunately true, Yes, you know that to be the fact, absolutely, uh.
But you know, one of the things that I did
want to talk about in this segment is Aaron Holliday,
And I know that just a name alone it does
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do a ton for people. But I mean this has
been a series where em had been pretty much running
his starting five and then you get some variation of
Jabbari Tari and Steven Adams off the bench. But Game
five you saw sixteen minutes out of Aaron Holiday, and
you saw him be able to do some good things
when he finishes minus six and the plus minus but
(02:06:20):
still nine points out of him able to give you
some good things both on the offensive and defensive end.
Speaker 4 (02:06:26):
I mean, do we go to nine now?
Speaker 3 (02:06:28):
I mean, is that you know where we're gonna see
number zero coming off the bench tonight for the Rockets.
Speaker 9 (02:06:34):
You know, I think with Aaron Holiday, it's tough because
he he has been phenomenal for the Rockets in the
regular season, and he's great I think in certain spot
minutes and I think you could see he may pivot
to Holiday if the Rockets are really struggling to hit
their outside shots early in Game six. You know, he
is very similar to like Fred van Vliet in the
way that they're both you know, you know, I don't
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wanna Halliday is not quite as stout as Fred is. Defensively,
but he can hold his own and he can navigate
a screen, and he can you know, he's a decent
guy to you know, have if you need to throw
out there and have another fresh body to maybe chase
Steph Curry around a little bit on the perimeter, and
then offensively, you know, he's not going to be a
primary ball handler. He's not going to be a guy
that you really want running pick and roll with, you know,
Shangoon or Adams or really trying to initiate the offense.
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So you have to kind of pair his minutes either
with Fred or with Jalen or at the very least
with Amen Thompson, so that you do have a primary
ball handler on the floor, letting air and just kind
of spot up knock down the open threes. That's more
or less his role again, could see it, But I
also kind of think that Ema is just going to
continue to play, you know, the eight man rotation that
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he's been leaning on for me. I just want to
see how much more of the double big lineup he
can actually go to because Adams has been so impactful
in his minutes when he's on the floor, he and
al Brin, Shangoon in I think it's like fifty four
minutes played together in this series, they're plus thirty two
on the floor together, and that dominance those two guys
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in particular, a lot of it coincides with the non
Steph Curry minutes. Right as soon as Curry heads to
the bench, Udoka tries to you know, immediately get to
that double big lineup. They play the zone defense, and
that really really messes with Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (02:08:14):
Right, Jimmy Butler's a guy.
Speaker 9 (02:08:15):
His entire play style is you know, oftentimes predicated on
you know, picking on or playing bully ball against smaller guys. Right,
He'll hunt for a switch, he'll get the mismatch he wants,
whether it's on Jalen Green or Fred van Vlie, which
you know, I think every time Jimmy Butler's tried to
post up Fred this series, I think he's tried to
back him down and be like, man, what who is
this guy? He's a little stronger than I thought he'd be.
(02:08:36):
But that's the credit to Fred and his defense, and
you know, he puts in a lot of work and
he is a very strong guard despite not being the
most imposing, towering presence on the floor. You're not gonna
back Fred down, You're not gonna get one over on
him in the post. And so that zone defense really
kills the Warriors offensive flow. They're momentum whenever they go
to those non Curry minutes. But they've actually run it
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even in some of those minutes where Steph Curry has
been on the floor, and they've actually been decent enough
doing it, in large part because when the Rockets run
that zone defense, they generally have two really great, you know,
almost premiere perimeter defenders at the top of that two
three zone, whether it's you know, Men Thompson and Tarry
Eason or a Men Thompson and Fred Van Vliet, or
even even Jalen Green has been like surprisingly good defensively
(02:09:21):
this series, especially in matchups where he's guarding Steph one
on one. I think he's actually, you know, he's got
the foot speed, the quickness, the athleticism to really stick
with Steph and it's just about maintaining that defensive discipline.
Although a Men and Fred Vanvliet have by far been
the two best defenders this series against him.
Speaker 3 (02:09:37):
How about early in Game five where you see Draymond
trying to body up Jalen Green and Green holding his
ground right there. Like when I saw that, I was
kind of like, this might be a different night if
that's the way that this is gonna go.
Speaker 4 (02:09:50):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 9 (02:09:50):
And you know, I think that, you know, the Rockets
really don't have necessarily a weak link anywhere defensively on
the roster. And that's a test that's just a testament
to the amount of work that Jalen Green and Alprin
Shangoon have both put in because they did they did,
like I remember them being on the Slam magazine cover
a while back when they did the interview for that.
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Alp definitely put himself and Jalen on blast when they
did like the little ten minute interview segment. He's like, yeah,
when we first got here, you know, Jalen and I,
we just cared about getting buckets.
Speaker 4 (02:10:19):
We didn't want to play defense.
Speaker 9 (02:10:20):
And and you know, Jalen was like, chill, chill, you
can't play You can't put that out there, and so, uh,
Dylan and Fred both got a good laugh out of that.
Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
And it is true, right like you go back to
some of the Silas.
Speaker 9 (02:10:30):
Years, you know, the lean years during the rebuild, and
you know there wasn't really a ton of you know, structure, culture,
accountability is certainly not on the defense side of the basketball.
And so now you're, you know, fast forward a few
years and you're at a place where both Jalen and
Shingun have had a lot of success defensively at times.
Jalen's defensive numbers in isolation this season have been really great,
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and the biggest one has been alprin Shangoon. You know,
from the moment that he got drafted, people saw, okay,
you know, slow footed, European big like, you know, he's
gonna barbecue chicken defensively, and there was this whole narrative
around him from the moment that he was drafted. You're
never gonna be able to win with him. He's gonna
get played off the floor. He's gonna get you know,
he's not a sixteen game player. He's gonna struggle in
the playoffs. He has been flat out dominant in four
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out of the five games for the Rockets in the series.
You go and look, if you pull up like the
Rockets like ESPN stats page or whatever, alper n Chingun's
leading the Rockets in every category, every statistical category of
the series except for block shots. Like he's leading points,
he's leading a rebounds, he's leading an assists, and he's
leading in steals. That is absolutely absurd to think about
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what he's doing here in just year four of his career,
his first taste of playoff basketball, and the biggest thing
to me has been his defense in this series, right,
this Warriors team is like almost like just built top
to bottom to play a player like alper N changoon
off the floor with their three point shooting, their floor spacing,
their ball movement, and Alpi has absolutely held his own.
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There's moments where he gets like, you know, unfortunately accident
whatever you want to call it, switched on to Steph Curry,
and you know, Steph is so adept at like burning
big men. You put him on an island and then
he you know, he gets to work and cooks them.
Shinguhn has done a great job of just like there
are possessions where he just face guards stuff and Steph
can't even get the ball. Like that's that's the impressive
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thing about Alp and kind of his growth defensively to
where he hasn't been played off the floor in this series,
and that is is huge for the Rockets.
Speaker 3 (02:12:23):
Well it's also you know, at least they don't have
Charles Barkley saying they can't guard a chair and like
that was said about Luca Taylor Knights. I mean, now,
as soon as I heard that line, I was like, man,
that's that's a good one.
Speaker 4 (02:12:35):
They're they're from Chuck, But.
Speaker 9 (02:12:37):
That's an upgrade from can't guard a traffic cone. I
like that, can't guard a chair. That's pretty good. Yeah,
I haven't heard the traffic cone one. That's that's that's
a new one for me.
Speaker 3 (02:12:44):
But I mean no, and that's that's kind of an
interesting point brought up by you of you know, where
these guys were early on in their NBA development. It's
you know, defense, that's not why you're here. But then
Imy Doka got here and he said, no, that's that's
how you're gonna stay on the floor. If if, if
you're going to be counted on, you have to have
that part of your game.
Speaker 4 (02:13:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (02:13:04):
Absolutely, and I mean you're you're seeing it. You know,
credit to Udoka who kind of fostered this entire environment,
you know, the past couple of years. But you know,
thinking back to year one with em they went forty
one and forty one, but you saw games where you know,
guys would get benched at the end of the game,
like if you weren't if you were a defensive liability,
if you weren't locked in, if you weren't playing to
the best of your ability on that end of the floor,
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you weren't getting minutes under em. And so they had
to learn how to play defense. They had to grow in.
And give credit to em right, he was he was patient.
He gave them a lot of rope and time to
learn and grow and adapt to those roles. But you know,
it's it's that environment that he's fostered that's led them
to get to the place where you know, they finished
a top ten defense last season, and then you know,
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after that season, I was like, all right, I don't
want to hear anything more about alperriinch and Goon can't
be a good defender. He was the defensive anchor the
five on a top ten defense. And then they doubled
down and they finished as a top five, top five
defense this season. And you know that I don't think
anybody could have predicted that that would have been an
outcome for him. If you you know, rewind the clock
and go all the way back to draft day when
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the Houston Rockets originally selected him.
Speaker 3 (02:14:09):
For sure, it's been a lot of fun to see
those two guys grow, and you continue to hope that
you excuse me, get to see them get even better
on that end of the floor against seven one three,
two two five, seven ninety, the number to get in
on the phone lines will continue the conversation because, I mean,
whether we like it or not, Jackson, there will be
an off season, and this is going to be an
(02:14:30):
interesting off season for the Rockets. But with something signaled
that yesterday that might lead you to believe it's not
going to go the way that some people hope. We
will discuss that here. It is the Sean Salisbury Show
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Speaker 14 (02:14:58):
Us right, yeah, but I was trying to listen to
you guys and I can't find it on the on
mycor player.
Speaker 3 (02:15:08):
Ah well, I mean that's why we need to get
with We need to get with you and be able
to make sure on any of your devices that you've
got the iHeartRadio app, and of course that you have
us pre set number one, right, Yes, that way you
can find us. That way you can find us what
you got on these rockets.
Speaker 4 (02:15:25):
Buddy.
Speaker 14 (02:15:26):
We need to even in this series and.
Speaker 1 (02:15:29):
Not go home.
Speaker 3 (02:15:30):
I like the way you think, well, we do want
to come home, but we want to come home to
still play a basketball.
Speaker 14 (02:15:35):
Game, right, I said that, we don't want to go
home for good.
Speaker 4 (02:15:39):
There you go, there you go?
Speaker 3 (02:15:40):
Okay, all right, I got you there, I got you there,
I got you there. You feeling good about the game tonight?
Speaker 14 (02:15:46):
Yes, I won't be here. I'll be here, but I won't.
Speaker 4 (02:15:51):
Be here tonight, gotcha, gotcha? So you can be watching
it somewhere at the hotel.
Speaker 3 (02:15:56):
Okay, all right, so you are feeling good about it? Yes, awesome, man.
It's gonna be just after eight tonight is the start,
but we'll have launch Pad over on.
Speaker 4 (02:16:14):
TV.
Speaker 3 (02:16:14):
It's gonna be on ESPN, but of course you know,
Matt's gonna be on news radio seven forty KRH.
Speaker 4 (02:16:19):
So that's how you can listen to.
Speaker 14 (02:16:20):
Us there, and Astros is gonna be on this.
Speaker 3 (02:16:25):
Yeah, we'll be we'll be here on seven ninety astros
well and then we'll join in progress after I wrap
up the tenth Inning Show.
Speaker 14 (02:16:33):
You doing the ten Indian Show.
Speaker 4 (02:16:34):
I'm doing ten Inenning tonight.
Speaker 8 (02:16:35):
You know it?
Speaker 14 (02:16:37):
You know what I know? A Hey, sorry, we watch there?
Speaker 4 (02:16:42):
Awesome?
Speaker 3 (02:16:43):
Well, now you know what we you always know where
to find us. We always know we can count on you, Brandon,
and hopefully on Monday. We're reacting to uh, not only
a game seven, but it talking about the Rockets moving on.
Speaker 4 (02:16:55):
Does that sound like a deal.
Speaker 9 (02:16:56):
We can move on.
Speaker 4 (02:16:58):
That's it, that's it. I like your it's Brandon.
Speaker 14 (02:17:01):
What did New York? Did you see New York wan?
Speaker 4 (02:17:04):
I've just seen highlights of it. I didn't. I didn't
watch the game with them in Detroit.
Speaker 14 (02:17:08):
Now New York won, Oliver to the Detroit yep, yep.
Now even the series?
Speaker 3 (02:17:18):
Do are you asking about the Rockets now? No, Pittson,
Oh well, I mean if Detroit had won, they would
have evened it up. But series is over. New York
won four two.
Speaker 4 (02:17:29):
Oh nice, there you go. Now they get the Celtics.
Speaker 14 (02:17:33):
The they love power at the.
Speaker 4 (02:17:38):
Oh that's no good. Yeah, we had some gnarly storms
up there.
Speaker 14 (02:17:41):
Man, Hey, come, you guys should come to Conrad.
Speaker 4 (02:17:47):
We will, man, we will my.
Speaker 3 (02:17:49):
My, my future mother and father in law live right
there in Montgomery, so we're we're up there quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (02:17:54):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:17:55):
We'll we'll track you down. Okay, okay, all right, man,
have a good weekend. I'm sorry.
Speaker 14 (02:18:01):
Where's Sean today?
Speaker 4 (02:18:02):
Oh, Sean's just out today. He'll he'll be back on Monday.
Speaker 14 (02:18:05):
You know he's who's there with you?
Speaker 4 (02:18:08):
Jackson Gatlin from Locked on Rockets? What's up?
Speaker 1 (02:18:11):
Brandon?
Speaker 14 (02:18:12):
Hey, Jackson? How are you?
Speaker 4 (02:18:14):
I'm doing great, man, It's good to hear.
Speaker 14 (02:18:15):
From you, like I'm doing a seven ninety show.
Speaker 4 (02:18:19):
There you go, what's us. I've been here before.
Speaker 9 (02:18:22):
I used to be a producer for seven ninety, back
in the day when I was getting my when I
was cutting my teeth in the industry.
Speaker 4 (02:18:27):
So I'm I'm very familiar with these studios.
Speaker 14 (02:18:31):
Okay, Monday, He'll be back.
Speaker 4 (02:18:35):
Monday, and we we know we can count on you
on Monday. All right, Brandon, let's.
Speaker 14 (02:18:40):
Get this when and even this series and let's go
home or with the when again.
Speaker 3 (02:18:46):
There you go, that's a walk off right there. You're
a good man, Brandon, have a good weekend. We'll talk
to you on Monday. Okay, there you go. You know,
see you, buddy. We always know we can count on
Brandon and and Brandon, Brandon bringing the positivity this morning.
Speaker 4 (02:19:01):
We need the good vibe. I said, we're getting the
win and getting another win and moving on.
Speaker 1 (02:19:06):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:19:08):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (02:19:08):
He's bringing it. He's bringing it. He is ready to
go for tonight, firing us up. So appreciate you doing
that for us this morning, Brandon, real quick here, and
maybe we can can even carry this over if the
conversation continues. But I mean we do this all the
time as sports fans, like we're never we're never fine
with is staying like right in the present moment. And
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I mean more often than not, Jackson, you know this
kind of is you know, I was talking about it
earlier with Gordy. This shows itself in college football where
it's you know, hey, we've got these guys, but you know,
look at that crew of five stars we've got in
the coach right right. The coach isn't playing them yet,
but now it's their time and they're gonna have their chance.
And you know, Arch Manning is gonna win the Heisman
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this year and all all of these other things. Well,
where I'm going with this is that we're seemingly already
doing this with the Rockets of there is going to
be an offseason. There is going to be you know,
Ema Udoka and Rafelstone up at the podium talking about
the season that was. We hope that it is at
the end and that there is a third Larry O'Brien
Trophy in the facility just right around the corner from here,
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but more than likely that's not going to be the case.
Speaker 4 (02:20:18):
But those questions will be asked.
Speaker 3 (02:20:20):
And Tim McMahon seemingly is already on it from ESPN
talking with them a Udoka and talking about, you know,
the idea of trading core players for a superstar, and
he says, to try to expedite the process by going
out and getting one piece now is kind of doing
a disservice to all that we've talked about coming into it.
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That's our vision, and I think the playoffs this year
will give us a good picture of that and put
guys in different situations and high pressure situations to see
how they react to it. So it's not like he's
saying they're not going to do it, But I mean,
I think we can agree here, and me and Sean
talked about this a little bit yesterday. Not going to
make a move for the sake of making a move
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this offseason, but can me and you agree they're going
to have to upgrade this team offensively going forward.
Speaker 9 (02:21:08):
You know, I think that's that's probably the most likely outcome.
And it's really unfortunate because I think that the hope
this year especially was well really the hope was going
to be, you know, last year, they wanted to make
a playoff push, right, get to the play in tournament
and give all these young guys a quick, you know taste,
even if it was just one or two play in
tournament games, right you squeak into the tenth seed, get
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some of those data points on what some of these
guys look like in those high pressure situations in postseason basketball.
Whether you believe the play in tournament is akin to
you know, an actual playoff series, they are you know,
different single elimination kind of you know environments. But you know,
I think it's unfortunate that they missed out on that
first window to get some data on these guys and
how they would perform in those circumstances going into this series,
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and kind of you look at the overwhelming success of
this season, right, rockets far surpassed any level of expectations
that were set for them.
Speaker 1 (02:21:58):
Now.
Speaker 9 (02:21:58):
I had them pegged as like probably flirting with like
the top end of the playing bracket this season, maybe
like a fifth or sixth seed if things broke really
really well for them, and they finished the two seed,
and they were largely the two seeds for most of
the season except for that little, you know blip where
they lost six in a row. They started you know,
floundering for a minute there, and then they found their
way back up to the top of the West. So
I understand the desire and in you know, lots of
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different lots of different conversations that I've had, you know,
with guys in and around the organization, around the team,
they are very proud of what they've built. They're very
bought into the you know potential of this core group,
of the core seven, of all the young guys that
they have on their roster. That being said, you know,
I don't see how you could potentially walk away from
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this series and not immediately say, okay, well, clearly the
defense is legit. Clearly we are like one offensive piece
away from being legitimate contenders.
Speaker 15 (02:22:51):
Right.
Speaker 9 (02:22:51):
You mentioned the Larry O'Brien Trophy, and that's that's fun
to think about, but realistically, right, it feels like this
team is maybe one piece away. But the thing is, right,
it doesn't have to necessarily be a piece that you
go outside and get, right, it could be you know,
we've I've talked about this a lot. This team very
much feels like they are a Jalen Green leap away.
And this season, Jalen did a much better job again,
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you know, eliminating the inconsistency, right, eliminating some of the
low the low games. But I think you look at
some of the players in this series, right, they're they're
incredibly high on a men Thompson. They really believe like
he's the star of the future. You see what have
been what alprin Chinggoon's done in this series. And Jalen's
been kind of that variable of like, all right, what
are you gonna show us? Right, he gave us the
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great game two? What else do you have in the tank?
Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
Right?
Speaker 9 (02:23:39):
Can he show up and give a big game six?
And then potentially right be impactful in game seven. And
I think if you do that, if you're Jalen Green
and you show up in a big way in Game
six and help secure that win, push the series to seven,
and then show up again in game seven, even regardless
of the outcome, if you play well in three of us,
you know, three out of seven games in a series
for your first playoff of parents, I think that you
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look at it, you know, as an overwhelming success for
this season and for him personally, and what that means for,
you know, kind of building the team going forward and
whether or not you hope that he's the in house
piece or if you have to go get a piece
from somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (02:24:13):
Yeah, I mean these are things that obviously will be
talked about all throughout the off season, and you know
there's gonna be the Jonas conversation. Is he somebody that
you know he's gonna one out of Milwaukee? I've said that.
I think that's that's a storyline this offseason that I mean,
why would you stay there if you're him? You're not
gonna have Damian Lillard next year? Obviously for the cheese curd,
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that's what you still of course, But I mean, you know,
the Greek food is much better here. You know, we
all know that for sure, and his wife went to Rice.
It's built in here, you know, come back to Houston.
The food's better here anyway, the weather's better. Can you
have Alpha, Rin, Schangun and Yannis on the same team?
That becomes the question would become the question for sure,
and you gotta trade out for it if you're going
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to bring the guy here to Houston. So the the
things we can continue to talk about here, Ray, John,
see you guys right there if you want to join
them seven one three two one two five seven ninety
against seven one three two one two five seven ninety is.
So we'll continue with the Rockets talk because this guy
an absolute factor in this game.
Speaker 4 (02:25:15):
Tonight we'll talk about him here. It is a Shawn
Salisbury show.
Speaker 3 (02:25:19):
I had to wear the Shawn Soundsbury Show. Continued, Ray,
You've been patiently waiting, appreciate it. Good morning, Ray, how
you doing?
Speaker 15 (02:25:29):
Hey, good morning, Good morning, regular caller. Always nice to
call and speak with you guys. But I want to
make a comment about the Rockets and I'll hang up
and see what you guys have to say.
Speaker 1 (02:25:40):
About it.
Speaker 15 (02:25:40):
But I don't like the demeanor that Golden State came
out with in Game five. It came off as and
I'll put this on my social media too, it came
off to me as as arrogant and and overconfident. They
they they barely played, and they played as if they knew, Hey,
get we got game six in the bag and we'll
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close them out at home.
Speaker 1 (02:26:02):
And I didn't like it.
Speaker 15 (02:26:03):
Uh, And I think Emi Adulkuld probably would will bring
it to the Rockets attention as well, that that you know,
those guys played as if they think they knew that
they would probably close you guys out at chase them,
So you need to take that person. I just don't
like it that as they came out. That's very cocky
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to me and arrogant. And I think the Rockets will
win tonight. Uh, just make your free throws. The games
of Rockets have won, it's been blowouts. The games that
go to the State have won have been narrow victories
that should have been won by the Rockets. Have they
did a couple of things better? I think they will,
and I think they'll win tonight and we'll play Game
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seven out here on Sunday but I hang up and listen,
you guys.
Speaker 1 (02:26:46):
Have a great day.
Speaker 4 (02:26:46):
I appreciate the call.
Speaker 16 (02:26:47):
Ray.
Speaker 3 (02:26:47):
I mean, is there power in I guess ignorance in
that case where you know, all this series people talking about, oh,
Golden State's got the experience, And I mean, I'm sure
that they went out with the intentions of trying to
close it out in game five, but then again, it's like,
all right, give ourselves a runway here. If it doesn't
work out, we still got two other opportunities. I mean,
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it almost kind of feels like just how precious these
games are that if that's what this comes down to,
you're kind of like, I don't feel bad for them,
Like you known how this is supposed to go.
Speaker 4 (02:27:19):
You know that you lose a game, it's not guaranteed
you're winning the next one.
Speaker 3 (02:27:23):
Like, I mean, I think Ray's kind of got a
point right there, Like, if that's the case for the
Rockets tonight, just say, hey, we should have won one
of these two games, maybe even both of them on
this floor and been able to handle business a lot earlier.
Speaker 9 (02:27:37):
No, absolutely, And I think Ray brings up a fantastic
set of points there, right. There's a lot of reasons
to be confident going into this Game six. I know,
you know, didn't want to be down three one. That's
never where anybody wants to be in a series. You know,
all time in NBA history, only thirteen teams have ever
come back from being down three to one. Now, shout
out to the Houston Rockets. They've done it twice in there,
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back in nineteen ninety five and then again in twenties
twenty sixteen Clippers Series fifteen. There, thank you, And you know,
I think that he has a great point, right, as
a member of the team, you've absolutely got to take
that personally, right. Warriors went out there and they thought
that they could trot it out and you know, maybe
just kind of go through the motions a little bit
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in Game five and maybe steal one on the road.
But Rockets came out. They were the aggressors, right, They
were the ones defending home court. They were the ones
playing like their season was on the line, because it
literally was. It was it was win or stay home
at that point. And I do think that Email will
absolutely be the guy that you know, highlights and shows
them Hey, all right, So they thought they could mess
around and and you know, not take Game five seriously.
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They wanted to rest up. You know, Kerr pulled to
start car. I thought it was interesting that that Draymond
Green apparently had to I guess beg a Steve Kerr
to let the starters like have another crack at it.
I'm guessing Kerr wanted to like sit the starters at halftime,
just come back out with the third stringers and just
completely fold the game. But Draymond convinced him, Hey, let
us play for five minutes in the third courts and
see if we can cut into this lead a little bit.
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And then when they didn't, that's when they you know,
wave the white flag went to the third stringers. But yeah,
I think it's a dangerous game if you're the Warriors, right,
you give the Rockets life, you give them momentum, you
give them a reason for optimism after a really dominant
Game five performance, and there's something to be said for
the confidence factor at play.
Speaker 17 (02:29:18):
Right.
Speaker 9 (02:29:18):
Yeah we've got Steph Curry. Yeah, you got Jimmy Butler,
like Draymond, you know, experienced head coach and Steve Kerr.
But some of that stuff doesn't matter, Like if you
just I think the NBA and especially like playoff basketball. Right,
these one game samples can be so volatile. Right, you
have a game night where the Rockets shoot the way
they did in Game five again and Steph Curry struggles,
Jimmy Butler looks awful like you did in Game five.
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You do that one more time, and it's a distinct possibility. Right,
You never know what's gonna happen in a one game scenario.
Then you're playing with fire. And then I firmly believe
that if this series gets to a game seven, right,
if the Rockets can come out on top in game six,
they're winning this thing in seven. They're not losing a
Game seven on their home court.
Speaker 4 (02:29:58):
They're just not.
Speaker 9 (02:29:59):
They've been so much better on their home court. Outside
of the first half of like Game one, they've been
great on their home court.
Speaker 3 (02:30:07):
Yeah, no doubt about it. And you hope that you
get that opportunity on Sunday to be able to prove that.
And you would think, I mean, especially to your point,
how well they've played there at Toyota Center. It's just
it's also too it's just get there, get there early.
I mean, that's that's the.
Speaker 4 (02:30:22):
Part of it too.
Speaker 3 (02:30:23):
I saw that you had that tweet and I see
that the other night as I'm watching the game, I'm like,
this is the seasons on the line.
Speaker 4 (02:30:29):
Where are y'all?
Speaker 14 (02:30:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:30:31):
Yeah, And look I get it. I've been there too, right.
Speaker 9 (02:30:33):
It sucks, you know you're getting off work at you know,
five maybe six o'clock whatever, and it was it was
an an early tip off right on a Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (02:30:39):
So six thirty pm tip is never like tat.
Speaker 9 (02:30:42):
I know, we like those better, but just from a
consumer standpoint, like it just trying to make it from work,
and like, you know, even if you I remember, you know,
back when I you know, still worked like a quote
unquote day job, right and wasn't doing sports full time.
I remember trying to you know, make it to games
downtown TC, and you know I would just I would
take my change of clothes with me. I'd take my
Rockets swag throat in the car and just change into that,
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you know, on the way or right after work, and
just make it my priority to get there as soon
as possible. I like to be in there right, wind,
doors open, right, I like being able to walk around
the concourse a little bit, check out the team shop
to you know, get myself whatever you know, refreshments I wanted,
and then settle into my seat. I know not everybody's
like that, though, And you know we've talked about this
time and time again with attendance, you know, further rockets
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at Toyota Center.
Speaker 4 (02:31:26):
I get it.
Speaker 9 (02:31:27):
During regular season games, right, you don't want to show
up on time, or you show up, you know, midway
through the first quarter or whatever. I get it, Traffic,
all sorts of other responsibilities. But we got to find
a way to figure this out for the playoffs, man, Like,
you got to show out for this team. They finished
two seed. They're going toe to toe with one of
their greatest rival rivals of all time in the Golden
State Warriors.
Speaker 14 (02:31:45):
Like.
Speaker 9 (02:31:45):
The fact that the Toyda Center was that empty was
a little disappointing to me to see Wednesday night.
Speaker 3 (02:31:50):
I was like, these guys post for you, post for
them real quick. Let's get John on the northwest side
in John, good morning, how you doing?
Speaker 17 (02:31:59):
Hey, good morning man, I see you gotta get something
to show.
Speaker 4 (02:32:03):
Mister Jackson, Yes, sir, what's up? John?
Speaker 17 (02:32:07):
Yes, sir, mister Jackson. And Dan listen, man, I'm pretty
comfortable in saying that tonight that Golden State is gonna
mug the Rockets more than they have mugged him in
the last o four games, because they cannot beat the Rockets.
If the Rockets is running up and down the court
using the athleticism and then youth, they can't do that.
Speaker 1 (02:32:27):
There's no way they.
Speaker 2 (02:32:28):
Can do that.
Speaker 7 (02:32:29):
And you know, I wonder I would think that o'doka knows.
Speaker 17 (02:32:32):
That that is the game plan, and so I think that,
you know, the Rockets, they have to be ready now
for all this banging and dirty play and everything else
and take the opportunity every time they get it to
run up and down that court and score the rock
You know, I'm not biased, but I'm telling that the
Rockets have all kinds of talent on this team. Far
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as I'm concerned, they should have already swept this talkcomne team.
But I give them a break because they are young,
and I didn't really think that the playoff treasure was
really gonna bother them, but I see it did. They
run around and there like a chicken with their head
cut off when it comes to offense. But now it's
time to get mentally right, go on up there and
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beat them. And the thing that what kurr did the
other day pulling this team out. Kurve came here already
thinking we can't beat this team tonight.
Speaker 7 (02:33:27):
That is very, very weak.
Speaker 17 (02:33:29):
And I think the young Rockets and the coaches they
should be able to see that they saving it all
their old energy because they oh, they saving the energy
for the night the Rockets plant to take it to them.
What's y'all opinion on that, Man, have a good day.
Speaker 3 (02:33:44):
I appreciate the call, John. I mean, look, it's getting
back to the point that I brought up earlier of
you have a chance to close out, you close out.
It's the same thing in baseball, I mean all the time.
The other night the Astros put Josh Hater in with
a four run lead. All, why would Joe do that? Well,
because they're still within striking distance enough that they can
get a rally going and they and they can beat you.
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Make sure you don't do that. I just I kind
of feel like it's one of those you know, another
baseball example, you want to give the Rockets and out.
You gave them an out, Now start a rally, have
a chance.
Speaker 4 (02:34:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (02:34:16):
I think that again, huge mistake by Golden State to
not at least take Game five a bit more seriously
than what they did, and I fully agree with John
like this, this game six is going to be brutal.
Like that was the benefit of Game five is I
think that was the most favorable whistle that we saw
the Rockets get all series up to that point. This
Rockets team is incredibly physical, and I do think the
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the kind of tone of the series across the first
four games did favor the Rockets largely with a lot
of the stuff that.
Speaker 4 (02:34:44):
Doesn't get called.
Speaker 9 (02:34:45):
And look, I know that you know, as fans, you're
watching the games, and you know generally we're looking at
these things through red tinted shades, and you just want
to look at all the times where Rockets got cheap
shotted or you know, player gets held or bumped and
no fouls are being called or whatnot. But the the
inverse of that is the Rockets are getting away with
a lot of stuff on the Warriors too. They're getting
away with a lot of grabbing and holding and being
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physical with Steph Curry because that's what you gotta do,
right you gotta grab his jersey, hold his arm, hook
him around, you know, put your hands around him, or
you know when they're trying to get the ball inbounded,
all these little things to get even just a smidge
of an advantage over him.
Speaker 4 (02:35:20):
And that's that's what the Rockets are gonna have to
do here in game six. But don't touch the thumb.
Speaker 9 (02:35:24):
But don't touch the thumb. Touch the thumb, gate, do
not touch the thumb. No, look, it's you know, I
don't want to hear any of that from Golden State Warriors.
That Golden State Warriors fans that cheer for a player
like Draymond Green just absolutely absurd. Pot calling the kettle
black right there. But no, I think that the kind
of culture shock or the wake up call, and this
game is gonna be that Rockets are not gonna get
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any whistles. Like I'm going into this, it's fully expecting
they are gonna get mulled. They're gonna get hit. Warriors
are gonna get to be so physical with the Rockets,
and they need to power through that. It's gonna feel
like it's five on eight. It's gonna feel like the
refs are hell and the Warriors out a lot by
just not calling things. By driving, you get hit on
a drive contact. They need to be able to play
through that, and at times officiating has rattled this Rockets
(02:36:08):
team a little bit, in particular Alpa and Shingun. As
great as he's played this series, Alp has a bit
of a tendency at times to you know, he'll drive,
make a move to the basket, and if he feels contact,
if he feels like he had, you know, two hands
on his body while he's posting up, or a bit
of a shove or something around the rim, you see it,
he'll you know, miss a shot and then immediately his
arms shoot up.
Speaker 4 (02:36:25):
And he's like, where's my call?
Speaker 9 (02:36:26):
And it's unfortunate because you know, for a young player,
that's going to be a big hurdle for him. Is
trying to break through and just power through whatever the
officials do. Who cares, right, just play the game? And
you know, sometimes I feel like Alpi's playing a bit
more for the foul than he is just to actually
score the ball, especially around the rim. If you just
play the game, get through that mental block, and don't
let the refs take you out of the game, I
(02:36:47):
think they'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (02:36:49):
Well, that's one of my frustrations that I have with
him too, is exactly what you just said where it's
just a hey man, it wasn't called get back on defense, Like,
there's there's nothing you can do about now. They're not
gonna have a late whistle. Hey guys, hey, let's slow
it up here. Yeah, a post foul them down there.
So whatever his number is to the score is table.
That's that's the foul. But yeah, late late whistles only
(02:37:09):
belong to the Golden State Warriors. Right, you can cry
enough about a call and then maybe they'll flip it
in your favor.
Speaker 4 (02:37:13):
Five on eight.
Speaker 1 (02:37:14):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (02:37:14):
I'll have to remember that tonight, hopefully not thinking that
during this game. Mike Allen, see you guys right there.
Try to squeeze you in here before we step aside
for the Matt Thomas Show. But we will continue getting
you ready for tonight's Rockets Warriors game six.
Speaker 4 (02:37:29):
There in the Bay Area.
Speaker 3 (02:37:31):
Jackson Gatlin locked on Rockets here with us on The
Seawn Salisbury Show.
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Speaker 4 (02:37:49):
Mike, Good morning, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (02:37:51):
Good morning gentlemen, Hey Gatlan man, I need some help.
I'm frustrated.
Speaker 16 (02:37:57):
We've made this series a lot harder than what you
know and a lot harder than what it should be.
And that's not taking anything away from Golden State. Anytime
you have a guy like stuff, man, you got.
Speaker 1 (02:38:07):
The opportunity to win. So I'm frustrated with the with
the rockets.
Speaker 16 (02:38:13):
I'm gonna say Emmy, I feel like Emmy is a
hell of a coach, but I feel like he's also.
Speaker 1 (02:38:18):
Dropping a ball.
Speaker 16 (02:38:20):
It's something going on to where we're struggling to score
the ball and he just refused to give a guy
like Cam the opportunity to play.
Speaker 1 (02:38:28):
I don't know what's going on with him.
Speaker 12 (02:38:30):
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (02:38:31):
It's almost like.
Speaker 16 (02:38:32):
Cam made a statement early in the year saying it
doesn't matter what I do, I'm not gonna play, and
it seems like that Diggs hold even deeper.
Speaker 1 (02:38:41):
And I just want to get your take on.
Speaker 16 (02:38:42):
Him, man, because it's frustrating watching a guy that that
talented not be able to see the court and you
can't convince me its defense. It's it's gotta be something
a little bit more than that. And I feel like
he's his days in Houston is probably numbered, and that's unfortunately,
because the guy's ultra talented, man, and I just hate
to see us, especially when we're struggling to score the
(02:39:05):
ball at times. And this team was deep enough to
use our bench throughout the year and he's reverted to,
let's go with this eight man rotation.
Speaker 1 (02:39:14):
I'm not saying go.
Speaker 16 (02:39:15):
It's deepest twelve eleven guys right sometime. Man, this guy,
this guy's a walking bucket. Man. I feel like if
you just give him the opportunity and I'm not saying
the opportunity with guys that gets really no minutes. I'm
saying opportunity with guys just playing heavy minutes and let's
just see what happens.
Speaker 4 (02:39:33):
Yeah, I appreciate the call, Mike.
Speaker 9 (02:39:36):
Yeah, I think that it's the Cam situation is really
unfortunate because you look at Cam and he has this
abundance of talent, right he is a walking bucket, and
it's it's disappointing because Cam was such an important part
of the team last season and you know, help the
team get to forty one forty one, you know, played
it played a role alongside of Men Thompson as rookies,
(02:39:57):
and it's really hard at times to find two in
not let alone one impactful rookie, but two that the
Rockets have in the rotation. Last season, I think Cam
came in kind of thought that maybe he had a
guaranteed spot in the rotation this year. Unfortunately didn't get
that guaranteed spot. Rockets wanted to see what reed Shepherd had,
whether he was ready for NBA minutes, and then when
he wasn't, pivoted back to Aaron Holliday. I will say
I hate to be the bearer of bad news. It
(02:40:19):
is a defense thing with Cam more than anything else.
You know, he needs to be locked in on that
side of the ball. Again, if you're playing for Emo Doka,
you gotta be able to play defense, and you're not
gonna go from getting dnp's in the regular season to
study suddenly playing important postseason minutes.
Speaker 4 (02:40:33):
Unfortunately, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (02:40:35):
Man Jackson Gatlin locked on Rockets joining us at J
T Gatlin on Twitter, feeling good about it.
Speaker 9 (02:40:40):
I am feeling good about Game six. I'm excited. I
think the Rockets are gonna pull it out. I think
they're gonna bring it home for a Game seven, and
I think we will be talking about Rockets Wolves in
the not so distant future.
Speaker 4 (02:40:50):
I like it and I like it a lot. He's
triple y. I'm Dan Matthews.
Speaker 3 (02:40:54):
It is the Sean Salisbury Show, Matt Thomas Show with
Ross coming up right here on your home of the
ass Rows in the Rocket Sports Talk seven ninety Talk
to you in sixty eight hour sixty eight.
Speaker 4 (02:41:04):
Yeah, it is sixty eight hours from now. We'll be
here with you. Bye.
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