May 21, 2024 • 9 mins
Looking to extend the win column a bit further against the Angels, what looked like an absolute victory turned into an absolute nightmare for the Astros yesterday. With Valdez on the mound the Astros eyed to add another win, until a sudden alter in the game plan occurred. Where did Framber go wrong?
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(00:01):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show.sALS. That's goodiful, you're listening to
the Sean Salisbury Show. Sean Brownand Tripoli Stroz back in action tonight.
Had been to May Park seven tento the first pitch, six o'clock on
deck show OTAs kicking off this morningover at NRG Stadium for the Houston Texans
(00:22):
Scottie Scheffler. His arraignment has beendelayed until June third. All right,
last night from ber Valdez pitching welluntil the fifth inning. Next thing you
know, they are excuse me,it's six to one. Then next thing
you know, it's down. They'redown eight to six. Bullpen scrambling to
(00:46):
get somebody up. They end uplosing. Interesting uh audio that we have
of fromber Valdez talking about Yannier Diezand the game plan. This is how
it sounded, Josey, OK,come the program the plan for you.
(01:25):
I thought we did a good job. You know, Jenner did a really
good job calling pitches. I wasthe one that decided to go against the
game plan and try to change thegame plan. Obvious he had to deal
with the consequences. Had a prettybad game, But you know, Jenner
did a really good job calling pitches. All right, So it's obviously his
trans that Yanni excuse me Fromber andhis uh excuse me translator. He had
(01:46):
a game plan, they stuck withit, and for whatever reason, from
Ber Valdez out of nowhere decides togo against the game plan. That what
are we doing? That's either anover a bundance of arrogance thinking, oh,
these guys can't touch me, meaningthe Angels, or once again,
(02:07):
the inability to lose focus in agame in your job. And third is
how much respect do they have forthe manager? Yeah, that's another question.
That's a no, their manager.Listen. If a boss tells you,
listen, you don't want to microanything. You let players do their
(02:29):
thing. You're going with a gameplan, and certain adjustments have to happen,
Like if you want to shake acatcher off, shake a catcher off,
you got the ball in your hand. I would never as a coach
or a manager. If you've gotthe ball in your hand, I'm never
telling I'm gonna try to teach youa young quarterback, but as a pitcher,
and I'm not telling. Justin Verlanderand Fromber's been in the league long
enough if he wants shake a pitchoff, you shake a pitch off.
(02:52):
But when you get away from deviatefrom what the game plan is and what's
working, I don't understand it.It going rogue and just to do it,
to do it, it makes nosense you adjust game plans. Listen,
if you're pitching a shutout in afootball game and it's the middle of
the third quarter, do you allof a sudden say, you know what
the playing zone the whole time theycan't get a completion and when they do
(03:12):
they should you know what, let'sjust blitz and play man and allow them
to hit three home runs for touchdownsand get right back in the game.
Why would you do it? Youdon't. You make adjustments where adjustments are
necessary. Otherwise stick to the plan. Let's roll. That doesn't mean be
a robot, but it's just calledsmart being being high IQ. It's quite
frankly, it doesn't take a lotIQ to stick to the game plan,
(03:32):
right, I mean baseball or footballIQ to see what's working. You don't
have to be you know, youdon't have to be blinded to that.
So why is that? Well,why would you do that? And you
know what, maybe does there evercome to a point when you're doing something
like that, then maybe it's timefor you to go walk off that mound.
I mean, come out of thatdug out and pop out and give
(03:53):
an ass chewing to somebody maybe everynow and then it needs and I don't
mean a disrespectful and I mean afirm one. And I could tell you
this, no player is above thateither and to shake him back in to
do what we're What are we doinghere? Like you said, so,
I don't know, man, ifyou're willing to do that in the face
of a team that you're you're winning, and what are we taking this grade?
(04:15):
Listen, the Astros right now,while they're playing great baseball, they're
not sacred cows to the point wherethey can just yawn their way to a
World Series championship. We've seen thatthe first month and they're hot. Now,
why would you go away from something? What if all of a sudden,
you hit two home runs in thefirst four innings of the player you're
gonna switch over hit left handed inyour eye, switch hitter. Yeah,
I'm gonna go against a game plan. We've been going gap gap hitting a
(04:40):
couple of bombs. You know what, that comic sounds to me. I
decided to do my own go basicallygo road is It sounds to me as
if you're just saying you're thumbing yournose and you're gonna do what you want,
as opposed to what you're playing golf. For tennis, you're winning,
you're you're winning a major, andyou decide you're gonna hit driver with a
four stroke lead and a in atight fair way and you're gonna fire at
(05:01):
short sighted pins and you lose itbecause you're hit into the water. Well,
that's on. You have at it, buddy, you got it.
But when eight other dudes or twentyplus other dudes are involved in your decisions,
selfish and quite frankly weak minded,Yeah, yeah, that's a problem.
It's a big problem. That's whatit goes into, is the mindset
(05:24):
here and the lack of respect,for one, for your catcher and also
for your manager and your game planbecause going into that inning you had given
up just one run, you werepitching well, and for the people that
were like I saw it all lastnight, don't blame excuse me, they
blamed it on on yan Ere.Then of course you have the Martin Maldonado.
(05:45):
Oh, he would have never shakenMartin Maldonado off. And then all,
why is Joe Spota keeping him inso long? This has nothing to
do with that. When your aceor one of your top two guys in
the rotation is cruising and you havea six to one lead, and he
pitched well last time through, andyou're trying to save your bullpen because you
(06:05):
have the rest of the series andthe rest of this week to get through,
you let him roll. And whenwhen all this stuff starts to happen,
you can't just go out to thebullpen and get a guy up in
three minutes. It's a little it'sa little more in depth than that.
So save me. This is Joespot of leaving him in too long.
That's not it. This is aFromber thing. This is a one hundred
(06:28):
percent Fromber is not mentally tough inthat moment. And we've seen this throughout
his career. When stuff starts togo downhill, so does he. And
to go against the game plan,shake your catcher off a thousand times,
and to do whatever you want todo, Well, look at the result.
Three bombs in one inning. Iactually don't find it funny to go
(06:49):
onto your own game plan. Idon't think it's I don't think it's comical.
Do you No, I'm not sayinghe did. But to me,
you're just begging for trouble and andthen to flat out admit, yeah,
I just want to I just wentaway from the game plan. Can I
get a reason? Yeah? Whyare we? Because you wanted to test
(07:12):
something for the future? You knowwhat it Also, if you're the Angels,
wouldn't it piss you off a littlebit? I mean, when we
wake up this morning, you're going, well, we won the game,
so that's great. Go ahead andgo off script anytime you want. But
and sometimes you got to go unpavedroad and off script when things aren't working.
Yeah, but if you're the Angels, wouldn't you look at that and
say, basically he was saying,what kind of a joke? And whether
(07:36):
you think they are or not thebest, you probably reserved that for something.
In two I went off game plan. Why if you run the ball
for three hundred yards do you needto throw it give in a football?
Do you get my point? Ifyou're shooting threes and you're hot and you're
up by forty, do you needto all of a sudden start banging it
(07:56):
inside. Perfect example, Atlanta Falconsagainst the New England Patriots. There a
twenty eight three they went off theirgame plan. Next thing you know,
they lose and guess who's stuck totheirs? Uh the Patriots down twenty eight
to three. Right, So Idon't I don't understand this, and I'll
be honest with you. That's noton yinor DEAs, and it's not on
Joe's body is one thousand percent fromerValdez and fromer Valdez alone. I do
(08:20):
think Joe, and I don't knowwhat he from the time the game's over
or what he said to him.I don't think you can let this rest.
You can't. I think that ifyou're a if you're a manager that
wants to control your clubhouse, thatthis needs addressed, not just for a
spot or Yan Das, for yourentire team. To me, it's just
disrespectful to your entire team, everybody, everybody. Yeah, as you just
(08:41):
lost them the game, and it'sobvious Frommer's not good enough to go off
game plan. Apparently, Yeah,you see what it's obviously in a hell
of a pitcher. But the overallmakeup. You're not playing against these guys.
If you're gonna go off script,it better be really good. Yeah,
exactly, it better be really good. Yeah. Seven three two phone
lines are open, got them litup this morning. We'll get to your
(09:03):
calls next, and also continue todiscuss fromber Valdez going off script. What
did yannire Diaz have to say aboutfromber going away from the game plan.
We've got that next as well,right here on The Shawn Salisbury Show,
This is the Sean Salisbury Show.sALS. That's goodiful, you're listening to
the Sean Salisbury Show. Sean Brownand Tripoli Stroz back in action tonight.
Had been to May Park seven tento the first pitch, six o'clock on
deck show OTAs kicking off this morningover at NRG Stadium for the Houston Texans
(00:22):
Scottie Scheffler. His arraignment has beendelayed until June third. All right,
last night from ber Valdez pitching welluntil the fifth inning. Next thing you
know, they are excuse me,it's six to one. Then next thing
you know, it's down. They'redown eight to six. Bullpen scrambling to
(00:46):
get somebody up. They end uplosing. Interesting uh audio that we have
of fromber Valdez talking about Yannier Diezand the game plan. This is how
it sounded, Josey, OK,come the program the plan for you.
(01:25):
I thought we did a good job. You know, Jenner did a really
good job calling pitches. I wasthe one that decided to go against the
game plan and try to change thegame plan. Obvious he had to deal
with the consequences. Had a prettybad game, But you know, Jenner
did a really good job calling pitches. All right, So it's obviously his
trans that Yanni excuse me Fromber andhis uh excuse me translator. He had
(01:46):
a game plan, they stuck withit, and for whatever reason, from
Ber Valdez out of nowhere decides togo against the game plan. That what
are we doing? That's either anover a bundance of arrogance thinking, oh,
these guys can't touch me, meaningthe Angels, or once again,
(02:07):
the inability to lose focus in agame in your job. And third is
how much respect do they have forthe manager? Yeah, that's another question.
That's a no, their manager.Listen. If a boss tells you,
listen, you don't want to microanything. You let players do their
(02:29):
thing. You're going with a gameplan, and certain adjustments have to happen,
Like if you want to shake acatcher off, shake a catcher off,
you got the ball in your hand. I would never as a coach
or a manager. If you've gotthe ball in your hand, I'm never
telling I'm gonna try to teach youa young quarterback, but as a pitcher,
and I'm not telling. Justin Verlanderand Fromber's been in the league long
enough if he wants shake a pitchoff, you shake a pitch off.
(02:52):
But when you get away from deviatefrom what the game plan is and what's
working, I don't understand it.It going rogue and just to do it,
to do it, it makes nosense you adjust game plans. Listen,
if you're pitching a shutout in afootball game and it's the middle of
the third quarter, do you allof a sudden say, you know what
the playing zone the whole time theycan't get a completion and when they do
(03:12):
they should you know what, let'sjust blitz and play man and allow them
to hit three home runs for touchdownsand get right back in the game.
Why would you do it? Youdon't. You make adjustments where adjustments are
necessary. Otherwise stick to the plan. Let's roll. That doesn't mean be
a robot, but it's just calledsmart being being high IQ. It's quite
frankly, it doesn't take a lotIQ to stick to the game plan,
(03:32):
right, I mean baseball or footballIQ to see what's working. You don't
have to be you know, youdon't have to be blinded to that.
So why is that? Well,why would you do that? And you
know what, maybe does there evercome to a point when you're doing something
like that, then maybe it's timefor you to go walk off that mound.
I mean, come out of thatdug out and pop out and give
(03:53):
an ass chewing to somebody maybe everynow and then it needs and I don't
mean a disrespectful and I mean afirm one. And I could tell you
this, no player is above thateither and to shake him back in to
do what we're What are we doinghere? Like you said, so,
I don't know, man, ifyou're willing to do that in the face
of a team that you're you're winning, and what are we taking this grade?
(04:15):
Listen, the Astros right now,while they're playing great baseball, they're
not sacred cows to the point wherethey can just yawn their way to a
World Series championship. We've seen thatthe first month and they're hot. Now,
why would you go away from something? What if all of a sudden,
you hit two home runs in thefirst four innings of the player you're
gonna switch over hit left handed inyour eye, switch hitter. Yeah,
I'm gonna go against a game plan. We've been going gap gap hitting a
(04:40):
couple of bombs. You know what, that comic sounds to me. I
decided to do my own go basicallygo road is It sounds to me as
if you're just saying you're thumbing yournose and you're gonna do what you want,
as opposed to what you're playing golf. For tennis, you're winning,
you're you're winning a major, andyou decide you're gonna hit driver with a
four stroke lead and a in atight fair way and you're gonna fire at
(05:01):
short sighted pins and you lose itbecause you're hit into the water. Well,
that's on. You have at it, buddy, you got it.
But when eight other dudes or twentyplus other dudes are involved in your decisions,
selfish and quite frankly weak minded,Yeah, yeah, that's a problem.
It's a big problem. That's whatit goes into, is the mindset
(05:24):
here and the lack of respect,for one, for your catcher and also
for your manager and your game planbecause going into that inning you had given
up just one run, you werepitching well, and for the people that
were like I saw it all lastnight, don't blame excuse me, they
blamed it on on yan Ere.Then of course you have the Martin Maldonado.
(05:45):
Oh, he would have never shakenMartin Maldonado off. And then all,
why is Joe Spota keeping him inso long? This has nothing to
do with that. When your aceor one of your top two guys in
the rotation is cruising and you havea six to one lead, and he
pitched well last time through, andyou're trying to save your bullpen because you
(06:05):
have the rest of the series andthe rest of this week to get through,
you let him roll. And whenwhen all this stuff starts to happen,
you can't just go out to thebullpen and get a guy up in
three minutes. It's a little it'sa little more in depth than that.
So save me. This is Joespot of leaving him in too long.
That's not it. This is aFromber thing. This is a one hundred
(06:28):
percent Fromber is not mentally tough inthat moment. And we've seen this throughout
his career. When stuff starts togo downhill, so does he. And
to go against the game plan,shake your catcher off a thousand times,
and to do whatever you want todo, Well, look at the result.
Three bombs in one inning. Iactually don't find it funny to go
(06:49):
onto your own game plan. Idon't think it's I don't think it's comical.
Do you No, I'm not sayinghe did. But to me,
you're just begging for trouble and andthen to flat out admit, yeah,
I just want to I just wentaway from the game plan. Can I
get a reason? Yeah? Whyare we? Because you wanted to test
(07:12):
something for the future? You knowwhat it Also, if you're the Angels,
wouldn't it piss you off a littlebit? I mean, when we
wake up this morning, you're going, well, we won the game,
so that's great. Go ahead andgo off script anytime you want. But
and sometimes you got to go unpavedroad and off script when things aren't working.
Yeah, but if you're the Angels, wouldn't you look at that and
say, basically he was saying,what kind of a joke? And whether
(07:36):
you think they are or not thebest, you probably reserved that for something.
In two I went off game plan. Why if you run the ball
for three hundred yards do you needto throw it give in a football?
Do you get my point? Ifyou're shooting threes and you're hot and you're
up by forty, do you needto all of a sudden start banging it
(07:56):
inside. Perfect example, Atlanta Falconsagainst the New England Patriots. There a
twenty eight three they went off theirgame plan. Next thing you know,
they lose and guess who's stuck totheirs? Uh the Patriots down twenty eight
to three. Right, So Idon't I don't understand this, and I'll
be honest with you. That's noton yinor DEAs, and it's not on
Joe's body is one thousand percent fromerValdez and fromer Valdez alone. I do
(08:20):
think Joe, and I don't knowwhat he from the time the game's over
or what he said to him.I don't think you can let this rest.
You can't. I think that ifyou're a if you're a manager that
wants to control your clubhouse, thatthis needs addressed, not just for a
spot or Yan Das, for yourentire team. To me, it's just
disrespectful to your entire team, everybody, everybody. Yeah, as you just
(08:41):
lost them the game, and it'sobvious Frommer's not good enough to go off
game plan. Apparently, Yeah,you see what it's obviously in a hell
of a pitcher. But the overallmakeup. You're not playing against these guys.
If you're gonna go off script,it better be really good. Yeah,
exactly, it better be really good. Yeah. Seven three two phone
lines are open, got them litup this morning. We'll get to your
(09:03):
calls next, and also continue todiscuss fromber Valdez going off script. What
did yannire Diaz have to say aboutfromber going away from the game plan.
We've got that next as well,right here on The Shawn Salisbury Show,
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