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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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at the studio this morning is the owner of Edge Construction,
mister Mike tw Week. Mike, how you doing this week?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Great, Sean.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's good to talk to you. You know, I almost
feel like I know we're going to talk about timelines
and things. But we are in a new studio, not
new new, but like new to.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Us, well kind of new old.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, there are CDs on what generation would that make
this NCD album?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Good to see you and we are again we're doing
because you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Looked at who's on this really like what we got there.
Head east, I'm gonna take that one with me.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
No, it's yours like that is that is your my
gift this morning with with and this week we're going
to talk about kind of timelines and and those and
those kind of things. Uh and and I know in
when it comes to remodeling and things people and with everything,
we want things done now, right, we wanted yesterday, or
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we wanted if.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Amazon started saying, uh, it'll be there in a week,
what would how would you feel?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Shot, let's do it. But there's a reason why things
take and I know that that that it's something that's important.
But there's a reason why these things take time.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know, we're not talking about, you know, a widget
that you're going to use for a month or two
and move on from. If done right, you're gonna be
not only you're going to enjoy this house and this
remodel for years to come, but generations to come. It's
going to be enjoyed by others as well.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah. I always wonder, you know, if you if you
go a year out at the end of your model
and look back, are you going to be glad you
really pushed it hard to finish a week earlier and
maybe hopefully you didn't sacrifice anything for that. And the
point is like it's it sort of takes what it takes.
We tried really hard to come up with realistic time schedules.
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They're not as tight as they were maybe five years ago,
because we went through this time. I don't remember what
that nasty thing was that came into America, but screwed
up the world and manufacturing especially so our material the
availability of materials, just kind of things that we always
relied on and knew that we could get. All of
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a sudden we couldn't get or they were or were
getting numbers saying twelve weeks, twenty four weeks, like, oh
my gosh, that's six months. What are we gonna do here?
So we had to loosen things up on the timelines.
It's getting better. The materials, our lead times are are
have come down a lot, and correspondingly we are we
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are tightening enough timelines, but it's never tight enough. I mean,
if if it took ten days to do a kitchen,
it's it still would be liked kind of go a
little faster. We're that way too.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Rather is and I wrote down local vendors there because
I know one of the things that I think a
couple of weeks ago we talked about cabinets for example,
and rib Lake does that does That's made a lot
of fun.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Of them there. They're fantastic. It's a beautiful country. Yes,
you do have to take a dog sled for the
final journey. Oh, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Is there is there something we said for that too,
as we look for kind of more predictable production and timelines,
just having you know, working with some of these you know,
Cohler is probably another great example. Big names, regional names,
obviously talking about Color Global, but based here in Wiscon
And does that help to I.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Think it helps. I mean, I'm sure if you're in
Texas or California and Order and Cola and you have
a problem, they answer the phone. But I do feel like,
you know, we sort of get special treatment here in Wisconsin.
Whether we do or not, I'm not positive. You know,
we mentioned Red Blake, Wisconsin is great Northern cabinistry and
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this company, I'm just so impressed with them. The past
couple weeks we've been installing cabinets in a new house
that we're building, and the level of quality and just
customization that we can get from them. That customization has
become just a it's not a dirty word anymore because
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we have this company that can Can gives us cabinets
in eighth inch inferments versus three inches, and it really
doesn't cost us anymore. And they have a real hands
on production there where I think it's eight or ten
different people touch a cabinet by the time it's done,
and they're all inspecting and looking at everything. And and
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yes they have CNC, but a lot of it is
done by hand. A lot of assemblies done by hand.
So versus the rest the big companies that are out there,
the large cabinet manufacturers. I feel like, does anybody ever
look at this stuff? We end up having to do
small repairs. It's not that Welburn Forest. We still use
Welburn Forest. It's a great price point, it's a good cabinet.
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It's not what the great Northern cabinet is, but not
you know, that doesn't fit into everybody's budget, or there
are some there are some things that we get from
some looks that we can get from Welburnforest that we
can't from Red Blake, Wisconsin. But it's just a it's
knowing what you're getting and how that affects the timeline.
So yeah, like I said, we have been tightening up timelines.
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I don't know if ever going to get back to
where we were, say five years ago, like maybe year
two thousand or or twenty twenty or or before. But
maybe it was too type back then. Maybe we're pushing
too hard.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's it's interesting perspective on that is with is with
the ability to to pick up the phone and call
somebody when you're talking about like you know, C and
C and these these very automated production lines, there's not
necessarily that that same line or channel of communication with
a human that says, hey, this is how far out
we are with with work, and you know, if you're
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able to call up and or I don't know what
you said, it the old like the old male pony
express up to rib Lake and let them know that hey,
uh we were this is our order, having an actual
human on the other end to say, okay, here's where
our production line runs, here's here's what we have. And
I've got to guess that that helps with timeline as well.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It helps a lot. And I mean it's not that
Wilburn Forrest doesn't answer our phone. They do, but I
but I feel like this this great Northern company, you
feel like everybody's vested there. Okay, like, can we call
and talk to our rep. I don't even really call
them salespeople because they're not they don't have to sell
their product. I know. I've told the story a couple
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of times about how we ended up with them. I
had found them maybe six or eight years ago, and
I was probably at a show or something, or I'm
not sure, or even ran into them, but we reached
out to them. We looked at their stuff. We said, hey,
we would like to carry your your cabinets, and they said, well,
you're gonna have to wait till we have room and
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production to add another business like yours. It's not that
we were that many cabinets, but it was enough that
they they didn't want They don't want to overload, which is
actually a positive sign. That's a green that's a green light.
It was three years from that day until we a
rep showed up at our office and said, okay, we're
ready for you.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Now, and I would who's right, rude?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I don't even remember you get it? But it turned
out to be just a great relationship. And like I said,
when we go. When we've been up there and toured
the plant. There are four or five people that we
talked to we would talk to in the in the
production of these cabinets just routinely that are walking through
with you and explain it. And most of those people
have worked on the line, you know, They've they've pulled,
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they've glued stuff, and shot nail guns and ran screws
and and cut cabinets. So it's a it's a great facility.
And and uh, I don't want to make it sound
like they're antiquated, because they're not. But I really like
that people are actually looking at this product throughout the production.
I mean, I feel like your chances of getting of
having a problem are much less.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Somebody actually putting their hands on it to actually see
and assemble and that's a really really cool thing. And
I want to ask too about kind of the time.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It seems like you shouldn't have to ask for that.
I don't want that should be normal.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I guess I think unfortunately, as we all experienced it
with the timeline at Edge too, and kind of working
with folks at Edge construction and for people thinking whether
it's a you know, kitchen bathroom, whole home edition, those
kinds of things that timeline can vary depending on the
type of project. It is also depending on the homeowner's
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timeline as well. And I know that we're just talking
about cabinets are things and having that line of communication.
I know that that meetings and having that plan in
place and that those communication lines those are important to
you guys as well. With the clients.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, the homes, Yeah, you know you can. You can
do this so many different ways. We tried really hard
to have a really good initial budget. And what we're
really trying to like, if we if our ballpark, if
our initial budget hit the contract price, that to me
is like the ultimate goal. It's virtually impossible because not
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everything's been picked out. Same thing with timeline, we want
to give you a realistic timeline. I could come in
and say, yeah, it's going to take three weeks to
your bath, but that would be a lie because I
know just getting countertops takes at least two weeks. I
mean from template, it takes two weeks from templating glass
to get the glass back and installed, and some some
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of those things add to the timeline, but it's just
a necessary part and it also needs to follow a process.
If we're taking apart your bath, we're generally going down
to where we can see what's behind the drywall. We're
fixing any problems we can find. We're replacing pipes, We're
replacing valves when we can get our hands on them.
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If there's bend water that's seeped through anywhere, which a
lot of times there is, we're making sure we make
those repairs. And there's a lot of times when we're
tearing stuff apart, we find the sins from the past
contractor it's several times a year we'll find a floor
d ice that's been cut in half to run a
pipe and there's nothing supporting this floor. It just happened
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on a job that we just finished a bath. Now
this was not something, by the way, that the homeowner
had to worry about. We took care of it. It
wasn't a big deal. But we certainly aren't going to
gloss over it and just finish over the top of that.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Is that something when you're planning the timeline that you
that that's included is just kind of what you mentioned,
you know, redoing a bathroom and you're obviously you're going
to encounter some you know, moisture and some other issues.
That's something that that's built into those repairs are kind
of built in that you just know that that's going
to most likely be part of the project.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, we have a little bit of funch time. So like,
if so, if we're going to do your master bath
and we know there's tile of demo and all the
fixtures to demo and we're gonna have to peel off
some dry well, I'll probably put two or three days
for demo in there, knowing that it and then following
that is a day or two for framing, So we
might have four days combined. Generally it works out because
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you know, the frame probably might take a little less
than it or two days, and the demo might take
a little more. What we're trying to do is not
give ourselves a realistic look at what this could take,
knowing that we can probably make up time in other areas. Yeah,
that's that happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But before we get to demo, a lot has going
on obviously, right there's been design, there's been meetings, there've
been there have been all of that stuff. And one
of the things I wouldn't mind kind of doing. Is
that kind of that walk through of that process of
you know, as we're talking about about some of the
little intricacies, there is always that first day where somebody
picks up the phone gives you guys a call at
Edge construction number. By the way, six to eight six
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sixty three six six six six six three three four three.
You know what I made the mistake of Mike was
looking at the number as I was saying, because I
know it off the top six three six edge and
I looked at but what what What happens is people
pick up pH on, they make that first phone call,
and let's kind of talk about how things proceed from there.
You know, I say, hey, Mike, I'm looking to remodel
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my bathroom, for example. What what happens next?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So uh uh, somebody in our office will set up
an appointment. I go on every first appointment. So you're
going to see me and probably are our head of
sales and design. That's Heather and uh, by the way,
the the the amazing pictures online. I okay, we have
we have good carpenters, we have great tile guys. We
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we we can do all those tasks really well. We
can't do it without good designs. So give the design
side a lot of credit because there it's their picture
right that that we build off of. So yeah, we
come out, we brainstorm the project, and what we're trying
to do is get enough information to build that first
do that first go round, we build it in CAD,
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then we build it in a spreadsheet and that then
we're trying to build that initial budget. Like I was
talking before, Heather will keep me a praise sometimes on
how we're doing on initial budget versus contract, and I'm
always surprised that. You know, we try to get really close.
There are times where we set that initial budget and
this thing just is growing and you know, adding parts
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and pieces and that happens. But so yeah, that from
from that first meeting to getting back your initial budget
and scope is usually two to three weeks, so that
that takes a little bit of time.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Are you taking measurements and stuff that first start you
out there with your tape measure? And do you still
use state measure? They're like lasers.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You have a laser.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
You do have a laser too.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
We do use the old fashion tape measure also because uh,
you know, like like all tech what a the trust
but verify Yeah, yes, yeah, so I mean the lasers
are not is We've had the lasers mess up a
little bit once in a while, you know, like when
when I'm talking like we need it down to the
quarter enche. So it needs to be pretty specific. So
if we're gonna measure and order cabinets off those measurements,
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we're gonna use the old fashion tape, good old trust
the first go round. Definitely fantastics.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
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Edge Construction Company dot COMTELF number six O eight six
three six three three four to three that number six
three six Edge talking about timeline when it comes to
home remodeling, and we're just kind to do it a
bit of a walk through the process with Edge construction
and kind of getting an idea of how that stuff
is all put together. Last week we talked about that
initial kind of that site review coming out, Mike Heather,
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Design and Construction coming out, taking a look, talking with you,
getting to know what your ideas are for the project.
And I've got to guess once you kind of have
that that very basic foundation, there's obviously going to be
many radiations of yeah, that's good where we're going with it,
of the of the design and obviously going to talk
budget as well. But that's really a good place for
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you guys to not only get going but kind of
see what this project's gonna take and kind of what
a timeline is going to look like. We have something
at that point.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, a lot of times on that first meet people
will be that's one of their first questions is how
when can you start and how long is it going
to take? And it's like, well, okay, it's a little
little cut before the horse, right, We've got to do
all this other stuff first. And you were you alluded
to that, Yeah, that after that first meeting, we get
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back with a scope which is kind of like we're
trying to include all the things we talked about, and
all the ramifications of those things. So all the little
jobs that have to happen, all the materials have to
get ordered. We want to list that. I want to
give you our best guess at what it's going to
cost you. We're probably not talking about timeline much yet.
I mean, if you said, well, I want to do
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a whole house for model, how long does that take? Well,
usually it takes us six months plus or minus, you
know a little bit. So it's like you give you it,
give you a rough idea, sure, but it's a little
tough to give you the whole thing that that that
next step is really if Homer reaches back to us
and says, yeah, I have this little joke where I say,
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nobody ever calls us back and said, well, it's so
much less than I thought it was gonna be because
it doesn't happen. But if it's anywhere close. When we're
doing that initial pricing, we're kind of at the level
of something above average, mid to high level. And at
what it does is it gives us a place to go,
so you can go up or down from that number.
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And that's where Heather and her gang get involved and
try to keep you on track with budget. But the
next step is really we bring our people out. We
go through this job. We troubleshoot everything. There were things
that we in the initial walk through, I might get asked,
can we get plumbing from here or there? I well,
I don't know. At this stage, we'll assume we can
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do it. There's a solution. I don't know if there's
ever not been a solution, and we've always figured out
a way to do it. But sometimes I've got to
have my plumber sitting there and when and when he's
out on the job, he sees things through a different lens.
A lot of times he looks at it and goes, oh,
this is no big deal. There's other times, well it's
a little tougher, but we figure out a way. So
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so how long does all that stuff take? We do
our walk we call it our trade walk through. Then
we're then we're doing selections, coming to the showroom. One
of my favorite spots in the show room. I walked
through it this morning. We have these two kind of
offshoot areas where projects are in design and or in construction,
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and what the designers will do is sort of group
things together for each job and so you get to
see what people picked out, and a lot of times
there's a new product in there, there's new tile or
or new something new countotops, and so that's that's one
way for me to get to see that. I get
to see it, especially put together, because I don't have
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the design tea. I don't know, maybe you do it,
but I I love looking at things that have been
put together, and it's really a neat way to do
it is to see that.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
That is and you mentioned that kind of that gene
that is really something is there are there are things
that can be taught, right, I think with enough practice
that you know, there are certain things that folks can
you know, we can learn. There are certain things, though,
and I think design is one of them that that
people can do. But to be good at it, it's
really a very There's something just that there's something innate
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that people they that can do it. They just I
don't know if it's they have that extra love that
they put that passionate. But there is really an undefined
skill that that goes to good design, isn't there.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, I'm a little jealous. Yeah, there's a lot of
times where we're building something and I'm like, I don't know.
But then when you see it all come together, you're like, oh,
this is amazing. So to have that vision is great.
I always tell our gang, you know, give me the picture.
I can build you the picture, but just don't make
me draw the picture.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Do you have homeowners who connect better with whether it's
the folks on the on the building side, and connect
better with both folks kind of on their personality.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I think so, yeah, I think so. Sometimes it's a
you know, we have a pretty amiable group. So when
when we don't have a connection, we try to notice
early because like, you know, maybe this isn't such a
good fit. But yeah, we haven't had much trouble that way.
I think, like it's a tough process and so you
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don't know how people are going to react once you
get into construction and and uh, we're tearing apart the
house that you love, you know, you may get a
little antsy, and so our people are used to working
with that, I think. And the main thing is I
would say, okay, like if if there is a problem,
like if you're wondering about something, don't let it like
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ask somebody. You've got to ask somebody those people that
we have on the jobs are that's one of the
reasons they're there is to is to work with work
you through these issues and help you figure out what's
going on.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I think sometimes I know obviously a lot of like
UW professors and others that that you guys have done
work where I think of like folks that may work
in like engineering and other things, maybe a little bit
more like yes, talking yeah with you guys and some
of the you know, some of the other folks and
maybe some other other practices may be like oh, I'm
going to really talk with with the design with the
design people, and with that too, is is we talk
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about the different parts of Edge construction. The nice thing
is having in house design. And I know that that's
a lot of times could be cliche about what that is,
but actual truly in house design, which you guys have
at Edge construction. You guys know each other. I mean
there's a there is you mentioned sometimes you know, don't
let things for a homeowner, don't let them lie. But
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also internally there is a back and forth about you
know this is great, how do I build it? And
vice versas, like that looks great, but we've got to
make it aesthetically pleasing as well, right.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Well, and it's got to be buildable. So we do
have those internal discussions then get pretty lively once in
a while because oh what, we have an addition right now,
and by the designers and the homeowners decided to increase
the width about a foot and it created some issues.
Now it's not necessarily like expensive issues. It's like, okay, Mike,
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cast figure out how to build this. Now. You wouldn't
think it would change that much, but it really does,
because we got roof floads and I think about those things,
and I have come to the conclusion that we operate
best in this business by letting design come first. So
which I'm sure the designers nobody tell them, please, they
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already think enough. But I'll give you an example. So,
like it used to be fifteen years ago, we'd go
into somebody's basement and it was roughed in for a
bath down there. But it was a lot of times
builders are shooting in the dark, you know, they don't
they don't really know where you want your bath or
where the third owner from now is going to want
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the bath. And so a lot of times you walk
down there and Homer's like, I don't know why they
roughed it in here, but I wish it was over there.
Well fifteen years ago, Oh the world would stop. We'd
be like, well, no, let's let's try and steer them
into having it there. At this point, though, we move
half of those baths, we move half of those roughs, it's
not that big a deal. And if it's important to
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the design, you know, if you're gonna spend all this
money and take take time out and be on our
construction in your house, the result needs to be good.
I mean it needs to be great. And so I
now my opinion is design first. We figure out the
problems we've we've we've never not been able to figure
out the problem. Yeah, and they are as big of
an impact as people think.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
We're talking a little bit too about the design process.
As we kind of work through that, as we talk
with Mike two eight, owner of Edge Construction. Yeah, if
you've got an idea, they can make it happen. It'd
be great to talk with Michael's team. I got to
do this morning. Pickup phone Gemmac call six O eight
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talking about the timeline for a Homer model and whether
it's an addition, or a bathroom or a kitchen, there's
there's each have their own different different aspects. Every obviously,
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project is unique and special. Edge Construction and Mike we're
talking about speaking of things that are unique and special.
We left off talking about design and kind of how
that process works is after you get a chance to
take a look at and kind of work with the
homeowner about what they want to do, it goes then
to design and it's uh, you're just waiting, right, yes,
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and they take they take over for a while.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah and yeah. People wonder, okay, what's the timeline? When
when is a start date? Well, generally our projects spend
about the same amount of time in design as they
do in construction. So if if your kitchen is going
to take two and a half three months to build
out and finish. Then that's about how long you're going
to spend a design. And we don't set the pace
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on the design. Okay, there's a thing I like to
call reaction time. So if we're maybe from that second
or third meeting, or we're selections and we're still not
we're maybe ninety percent firmed up on the plan, we're
gonna give you those You're gonna go home. You might
call us back later that day and go, yep, that's
what you want, or you might go, hey, I need
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a little time. The truth is most people need a
little time from a week to two weeks to look
at those revisions and think about the stuff they're picking out.
Then we start again. Okay, we hit the drawing board again,
redraw the plans, and that might happen two, three, four
times before we actually get to contract, before we get
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to a finished product that we can give you a
firm price on then and write a contract.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, it kind of alluded to it. I think at
at that first segment of the show too. People who
have gone through design, good design and good and good
you know, in the process you guys have an edge
construction looking back, appreciate how it's done. And for good
reason is do you really in a year or two
do you remember that it took a week extra like
that doesn't. What really matters is getting that stuff right.
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And when you were talking about the design and having
time to kind of go over and digest and and
that stuff. Those things, it's real. It's real easy to
fix something or change something on paper. Once it's built,
it gets a little more. It takes a little more
time and a little bit more money.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, you know, while you were talking, I was thinking
about part of that timeline and design Roy is held
up by when we make a change, it might be
a product change, it might be a tile change. We
then send that out to get pricing on it. And
most people, me included, would go, oh, we should get
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that later today. But it doesn't happen now. A lot
of times it's and I think this is a little
little bit of a hangover from COVID and those times
we went through. Sometimes it's a week or two weeks
or even longer before we get pricing, and we're on
our side, we're begging for pricing. We got homeowners begging
us for pricing, right, because we can't write a contract
without pricing. But it is a process you got to follow.
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And you know, if if we don't sub up much,
and so I think in our favor, that's that's a
good thing. We're an electrical contractor. We have cabinets, tops,
all the flooring choices, we install everything on that side.
We subcontracts for us are usually mean plumbing and heating,
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and that's pretty much it. And so if we're waiting
for if we're waiting for design updates and pricing, it's
from a limited amount of amount of people at least,
I mean, I think hopefully grows a little better. I
don't like going into contracts without a firm number. I don't.
I just don't. I'm not made that way. I want to.
I want to provide you with a contract with a
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number at the end, and we're going to hit that
one hundred percent of the time. That is not the norm,
by the way, in our business. Our business is the
price seems to be a guideline. I hear stories every
day from home owners that had somebody else from out
their kitchen and bathroom and now we're there looking at
something else and that you know, a big bill at
the end, or it costs more than they thought, or
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and so I think some of that is because they
don't take that time. They don't have that timeline for
design up front, where we're okay, we have a goal
at the end, we're going to write a contract, but
it's everything's gonna be picked out, everything's gonna be decided,
and then the only adjustments to price earlier that at
that point are as if you add something or change something.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What about is we took about two kind of going
through that design and have you know, getting that finalized
and saying this is what you know, you get the
get the beautiful renderings and CAD and people can really
see it. At that point, things like planning, staging, that
stuff starts to begin, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, So if once that contract is written, once we're
signed up, we order pretty much everything we can get
our hands on. So we're still not starting the day
of the contract because we're gonna we're gonna now order cabinets.
So I mentioned long lead times. I've a couple of
years ago we were at I think we peaked at
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maybe maybe six months lead time for cabinets. I mean
it's just a tremendously long time. It was really bad
for us, it was bad for homeowners. I'm sure the
companies that we're dealing with it weren't have the manufacturers
weren't have a lot of fun either. But those numbers
are now down to like four to six weeks. Okay,
So once we when we get a delivery data on
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those cabinets, is when we as when we set a
date on starting that kitchen. So I would say normally
after contract, we're trying to start six seven weeks after
after the contract, we want to actually start that kitchen.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
For folks that have had a chance to stop in
and visit and been to the showroom, it's really just
a small part of the building. I mean there's you
guys have I know years ago, I remember visiting is
probably a decade or two. You guys are in a
smaller location for good reason.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
You've moved.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
How long have you been in your current.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Location now it's twenty thirteen?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, wow, congratulations. And it's it's a big spot for
a big reason, which is as we're talking about ordering
things and bringing things in. Nothing could slow down a
project more than waiting on something or worse getting wrong
something and waiting for wrong something to be replaced. And
you guys are able to stage that stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yes, And so our backshop stores a lot of things,
and we have a good sized warehouse back there. We
have capacity to store six to eight kitchens. I know
we've had that many back there. It's not the norm.
Something probably went wrong for that to happen that they
all piled up like that. But but yeah, we generally
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have a kitchen or too waiting back there to go in.
I feel much better having those cabinets, some of those
big ticket items in my hands before we get before
we start tearing things apart, because yeah, it's like I said,
the manufacturing has got a lot more predictable. But what
if something happened, what if what if something got missed
and we're waiting. The tiles kind of went through the
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same thing. So if you came in our backshop, you're
going to see shelves full of tile laid out by
job and uh it's really great. So our our internal
people at do tile, they when it when it comes
to pull up, when it comes to uh doing that job,
they can just pull it off the shelf. They know
they've got it. We don't have to get to a
supplier and hope that everything is there.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
What about with design and understanding maybe comps is comparables
is if like let's say understanding that just think of tiles.
There's infinite designs of tiles, and let's say the particular
one that is a homeowner I want this one. Uh,
it's it's going to be a way does your design
I know your designers are pretty familiar with all the
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different manufacturers and who you work with, and saying, well,
that one might take a little longer. We've got one
almost identical that can get that. I mean that. That
is also part of we talk about some of the
all the different skills of folks at edge construction. One
of them is kind of knowing where to find what's availing.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yes, so there's three things when we're considering and looking
at those products those kinds of products. Is the overall design,
like we want that the picture in our head has
to match. But availability and lead time that's another huge one.
There are there are now tiles that we can we've
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gotten lead times back down to Sometimes they're stock tiles.
There are places in town that stock certain tiles. Some
of the more popular ones. There's a level that it
takes a week to get, a level it takes two
weeks to get, and a good designer will have a
good handle on that stuff and or we'll be able
to find out quickly how available that tie tile is. Again,
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I don't care if it's available today or tomorrow or
next month. We're gonna, we're gonna at contract time, we're
gonna buy it. We're gonna get it in our show,
in our in our warehouse that we've got it. The
other thing to worry about is that we're a good
designer can help you on the on something like tile.
Is that Okay, you've got this one that you really like,
but it's twenty five dollars a foot, and we're not
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sure how available it is. There might be one that
is very close for five dollars a foot that you
would never find without a good designer. And so that's
where they can really help you, man. And we're constantly
searching for those products. You know that that five dollars
foot tile, the quality can be exactly the same as
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that twenty five dollars foot tile. It's just maybe that
one's made in Europe or something. And Lee times take
a while, Shipping takes a while, whereas we can get
some something a little more local. That'll do the trick.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
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Edge Construction Online, Edge Construction Company dot com. That's all
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six three six Edge. Talking this week about a timeline
for Homer Modeling and Mike, as we've been going through
kind of walking through the process, one of the things
popped into my head. What is the what room or
which projects generally take the most amount? I was going
(34:07):
to guess kitchens, but I'm like, I don't know for
sure what what does for as far as design? What
are is there one that stands out as far as
this is the one that's going to probably take longer
than you expect.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, for us, it's uh so it's not about we
don't build that many houses, but maybe one or two
a year. But when we do, they tend to be
a little bit more unusual. It might be in a
tough spot like on the lake or or in the country,
and or house has to get torn down and a
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new one built down there on the same spot. And
so that's that that takes a different level of design.
And so about half those houses that we do build
go through just from scratch cat process. And i'll give
you the one we're finishing up right now in a
a month or so. Spent probably almost a year in design,
(35:05):
partially because the first house we drew, everybody loved, but
one half of the couple that was going to live
there said, you know, I want to I like the house,
but I want a real front porch, you know, like
old school front porch. And kind of over the years
those porches have gone away, like they the new houses,
(35:26):
especially ranch houses, are not drawn for a front porch,
and it's and it's just hard to fit them into
some plans. And we were several months into designing this
house and had to basically scrap the plan and start over.
And so the result, which will end up on our
website at some point, is tremendous, and it's got an
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amazing front porch, which anybody would be jealous of. I
think it's just it's it's kind of takes me back,
you know, as a kid, I had a my cousin.
He was one of thirteen kids, I think, and whenever
you rode your bike over their house, there was four
or five people out on that front porch. And the
neighbor hod is very social and front porches were that way.
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I don't know if you do you remember that one?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Oh, yes, absolutely, yeah, I was. It's funny. I think,
you know, we talked off the air. It may have
been about this particular project, but we talked about front porches,
and you were kind of talking to me about the
project and about some of the benefits and you know
the fact that we don't see them as often as
we used to it, and now every time I drive
around I see a beautiful porche, I'm like, look at that,
look at that. And with that with kind of those
(36:35):
you know, those bigger projects, obviously there's there's not only
is there a lot more to him. As you mentioned,
there's there's also logistics that need to happen tying it
in with the current place. Also, you mentioned oftentimes that
people are are bringing edge construction. Is it's because it's
a unique job that needs specialized talent and a really
good understanding with that. Are there some some projects that
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tend to go much faster than people may expect.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, I think so. You know, some that simpler stuff.
If we're just doing a main bath in a house
and it's pretty much replacement, that's very easy. A lot
of times we'll do a refresh on a kitchen where
we're doing counter toss backsplash pretty much yet that that
doesn't need to spend very much time and design. Those
things are pretty easy to do a lot of times.
Basements too. Now we have done basements that are you know,
(37:21):
off the charts cool and the customed things everywhere, But
a lot of times basements are just extra finished space.
Whether there's another veteran of bath down there, it's a
fairly easy design proposition. There's only so many things you
can do down there sometimes, and be honest, I think
our people are so good at it that that one
goes a little quicker, but you get into the kitchens,
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I think it's worth taking your time as we think about.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
So, yeah, anybody that's said the experience of doing a
remodel of a kitchen, it definitely would probably like, Yeah,
that's definitely one it is it. One final thing as
we kind of wrap up this week is I know
we spent a lot of time as we go to
the timeline talking about design, and I do want to
talk about what you guys do when it comes to
the timeline. So let's just we're gonna fast forward design.
(38:07):
Is there, contracts, everything's good to go, Budget's good to go,
everything's ordered, demolish, demo starts demo day. So that is
where things really start to happen, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, So we're going to have we're gonna we're gonna
create a mess, right But before we do that, our
people are going to try and separate the living part
of the house from the construction area of the house.
And we'll do that with temp walls or plastic or
zip walls or whatever whatever happens there. We're going to
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take precautions there. We're gonna cover floors, we're gonna or
do everything we can to protect your stuff. We're gonna
need a staging area maybe out in that garage or
or someplace in the house not to where materials sort
up passed through in and out and uh right, demo starts.
So we'll take a kitchen. I think our kitchen contracts
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we're probably signing for around one hundred day is ninety days.
Might be a little less on some jobs if we
if we if we talk about ninety days on your kitchen,
it means we've got to shoot for seventy five, by
the way, because you know, it's just the world we
live in now. There's there's for some reason, there tends
to be things at the end where we're waiting or
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you know, little finishes to just tie it back together.
And so that's a that's a pretty common timeline. I
would say for us five years ago, we probably could
take two or three weeks off of that timeline. It's
just we're a little it's a different world now, so
we're doing and you know, I okay, we went through
COVID where it got real important to not have a
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bunch of people in your house at the same time,
or a bunch of people working on top of each other.
But actually I think that's kind of a better way
to do it. Anyways. We want to let those good trades,
we want to sort of give them the give them
the ball, and let them do what they need to do,
and then when they're done, they're out and the next
person's in and you don't have that interference of trying
to work together.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Certainly, and I think of like in the shipping industry,
you always hear about that last mile problem, which is
like it's real easy to get not easy, but but
things can get from point A to point B quickly.
It's getting them from point B to the front door
that that can create that that creates a little bit
more time. And it seems like in remodeling too, there's
like ninety percent of it is very like it's a
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ten percent that tends to be kind of those those
final parts. Are my am I off on that? Or
is that kind of yeah at all?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I mean I think that you know, when we talk
about two or three month timeline on a kitchen, I
think from Ahner's view, they're thinking it's going to be
noise for two three months. That's a it's a long time,
but really it's not like that. It's it's it's pretty
hot and heavy the first few weeks, and then things
kind of quiet down. I mean, painting doesn't make much noise,
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and stealing cabinets doesn't make much noise. Yes, there's saws intermittently,
but it's not like tearing stuff apart. It's not the
it's not the mess of tern stuff apart. Once we
get into that fin it's pretty quiet, pretty it's a
lot less invasive than you think.
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mister Mike tw Week. Mike, how you doing this week?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Great, Sean.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's good to talk to you. You know, I almost
feel like I know we're going to talk about timelines
and things. But we are in a new studio, not
new new, but like new to.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Us, well kind of new old.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, there are CDs on what generation would that make
this NCD album?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Good to see you and we are again we're doing
because you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Looked at who's on this really like what we got there.
Head east, I'm gonna take that one with me.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
No, it's yours like that is that is your my
gift this morning with with and this week we're going
to talk about kind of timelines and and those and
those kind of things. Uh and and I know in
when it comes to remodeling and things people and with everything,
we want things done now, right, we wanted yesterday, or
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we wanted if.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Amazon started saying, uh, it'll be there in a week,
what would how would you feel?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Shot, let's do it. But there's a reason why things
take and I know that that that it's something that's important.
But there's a reason why these things take time.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know, we're not talking about, you know, a widget
that you're going to use for a month or two
and move on from. If done right, you're gonna be
not only you're going to enjoy this house and this
remodel for years to come, but generations to come. It's
going to be enjoyed by others as well.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah. I always wonder, you know, if you if you
go a year out at the end of your model
and look back, are you going to be glad you
really pushed it hard to finish a week earlier and
maybe hopefully you didn't sacrifice anything for that. And the
point is like it's it sort of takes what it takes.
We tried really hard to come up with realistic time schedules.
(02:22):
They're not as tight as they were maybe five years ago,
because we went through this time. I don't remember what
that nasty thing was that came into America, but screwed
up the world and manufacturing especially so our material the
availability of materials, just kind of things that we always
relied on and knew that we could get. All of
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a sudden we couldn't get or they were or were
getting numbers saying twelve weeks, twenty four weeks, like, oh
my gosh, that's six months. What are we gonna do here?
So we had to loosen things up on the timelines.
It's getting better. The materials, our lead times are are
have come down a lot, and correspondingly we are we
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are tightening enough timelines, but it's never tight enough. I mean,
if if it took ten days to do a kitchen,
it's it still would be liked kind of go a
little faster. We're that way too.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Rather is and I wrote down local vendors there because
I know one of the things that I think a
couple of weeks ago we talked about cabinets for example,
and rib Lake does that does That's made a lot
of fun.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Of them there. They're fantastic. It's a beautiful country. Yes,
you do have to take a dog sled for the
final journey. Oh, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Is there is there something we said for that too,
as we look for kind of more predictable production and timelines,
just having you know, working with some of these you know,
Cohler is probably another great example. Big names, regional names,
obviously talking about Color Global, but based here in Wiscon
And does that help to I.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Think it helps. I mean, I'm sure if you're in
Texas or California and Order and Cola and you have
a problem, they answer the phone. But I do feel like,
you know, we sort of get special treatment here in Wisconsin.
Whether we do or not, I'm not positive. You know,
we mentioned Red Blake, Wisconsin is great Northern cabinistry and
(04:22):
this company, I'm just so impressed with them. The past
couple weeks we've been installing cabinets in a new house
that we're building, and the level of quality and just
customization that we can get from them. That customization has
become just a it's not a dirty word anymore because
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we have this company that can Can gives us cabinets
in eighth inch inferments versus three inches, and it really
doesn't cost us anymore. And they have a real hands
on production there where I think it's eight or ten
different people touch a cabinet by the time it's done,
and they're all inspecting and looking at everything. And and
(05:07):
yes they have CNC, but a lot of it is
done by hand. A lot of assemblies done by hand.
So versus the rest the big companies that are out there,
the large cabinet manufacturers. I feel like, does anybody ever
look at this stuff? We end up having to do
small repairs. It's not that Welburn Forest. We still use
Welburn Forest. It's a great price point, it's a good cabinet.
(05:31):
It's not what the great Northern cabinet is, but not
you know, that doesn't fit into everybody's budget, or there
are some there are some things that we get from
some looks that we can get from Welburnforest that we
can't from Red Blake, Wisconsin. But it's just a it's
knowing what you're getting and how that affects the timeline.
So yeah, like I said, we have been tightening up timelines.
(05:52):
I don't know if ever going to get back to
where we were, say five years ago, like maybe year
two thousand or or twenty twenty or or before. But
maybe it was too type back then. Maybe we're pushing
too hard.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's it's interesting perspective on that is with is with
the ability to to pick up the phone and call
somebody when you're talking about like you know, C and
C and these these very automated production lines, there's not
necessarily that that same line or channel of communication with
a human that says, hey, this is how far out
we are with with work, and you know, if you're
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able to call up and or I don't know what
you said, it the old like the old male pony
express up to rib Lake and let them know that hey,
uh we were this is our order, having an actual
human on the other end to say, okay, here's where
our production line runs, here's here's what we have. And
I've got to guess that that helps with timeline as well.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It helps a lot. And I mean it's not that
Wilburn Forrest doesn't answer our phone. They do, but I
but I feel like this this great Northern company, you
feel like everybody's vested there. Okay, like, can we call
and talk to our rep. I don't even really call
them salespeople because they're not they don't have to sell
their product. I know. I've told the story a couple
(07:06):
of times about how we ended up with them. I
had found them maybe six or eight years ago, and
I was probably at a show or something, or I'm
not sure, or even ran into them, but we reached
out to them. We looked at their stuff. We said, hey,
we would like to carry your your cabinets, and they said, well,
you're gonna have to wait till we have room and
(07:28):
production to add another business like yours. It's not that
we were that many cabinets, but it was enough that
they they didn't want They don't want to overload, which is
actually a positive sign. That's a green that's a green light.
It was three years from that day until we a
rep showed up at our office and said, okay, we're
ready for you.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Now, and I would who's right, rude?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I don't even remember you get it? But it turned
out to be just a great relationship. And like I said,
when we go. When we've been up there and toured
the plant. There are four or five people that we
talked to we would talk to in the in the
production of these cabinets just routinely that are walking through
with you and explain it. And most of those people
have worked on the line, you know, They've they've pulled,
(08:10):
they've glued stuff, and shot nail guns and ran screws
and and cut cabinets. So it's a it's a great facility.
And and uh, I don't want to make it sound
like they're antiquated, because they're not. But I really like
that people are actually looking at this product throughout the production.
I mean, I feel like your chances of getting of
having a problem are much less.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Somebody actually putting their hands on it to actually see
and assemble and that's a really really cool thing. And
I want to ask too about kind of the time.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It seems like you shouldn't have to ask for that.
I don't want that should be normal.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I guess I think unfortunately, as we all experienced it
with the timeline at Edge too, and kind of working
with folks at Edge construction and for people thinking whether
it's a you know, kitchen bathroom, whole home edition, those
kinds of things that timeline can vary depending on the
type of project. It is also depending on the homeowner's
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timeline as well. And I know that we're just talking
about cabinets are things and having that line of communication.
I know that that meetings and having that plan in
place and that those communication lines those are important to
you guys as well. With the clients.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, the homes, Yeah, you know you can. You can
do this so many different ways. We tried really hard
to have a really good initial budget. And what we're
really trying to like, if we if our ballpark, if
our initial budget hit the contract price, that to me
is like the ultimate goal. It's virtually impossible because not
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everything's been picked out. Same thing with timeline, we want
to give you a realistic timeline. I could come in
and say, yeah, it's going to take three weeks to
your bath, but that would be a lie because I
know just getting countertops takes at least two weeks. I
mean from template, it takes two weeks from templating glass
to get the glass back and installed, and some some
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of those things add to the timeline, but it's just
a necessary part and it also needs to follow a process.
If we're taking apart your bath, we're generally going down
to where we can see what's behind the drywall. We're
fixing any problems we can find. We're replacing pipes, We're
replacing valves when we can get our hands on them.
(10:24):
If there's bend water that's seeped through anywhere, which a
lot of times there is, we're making sure we make
those repairs. And there's a lot of times when we're
tearing stuff apart, we find the sins from the past
contractor it's several times a year we'll find a floor
d ice that's been cut in half to run a
pipe and there's nothing supporting this floor. It just happened
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on a job that we just finished a bath. Now
this was not something, by the way, that the homeowner
had to worry about. We took care of it. It
wasn't a big deal. But we certainly aren't going to
gloss over it and just finish over the top of that.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Is that something when you're planning the timeline that you
that that's included is just kind of what you mentioned,
you know, redoing a bathroom and you're obviously you're going
to encounter some you know, moisture and some other issues.
That's something that that's built into those repairs are kind
of built in that you just know that that's going
to most likely be part of the project.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, we have a little bit of funch time. So like,
if so, if we're going to do your master bath
and we know there's tile of demo and all the
fixtures to demo and we're gonna have to peel off
some dry well, I'll probably put two or three days
for demo in there, knowing that it and then following
that is a day or two for framing, So we
might have four days combined. Generally it works out because
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you know, the frame probably might take a little less
than it or two days, and the demo might take
a little more. What we're trying to do is not
give ourselves a realistic look at what this could take,
knowing that we can probably make up time in other areas. Yeah,
that's that happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But before we get to demo, a lot has going
on obviously, right there's been design, there's been meetings, there've
been there have been all of that stuff. And one
of the things I wouldn't mind kind of doing. Is
that kind of that walk through of that process of
you know, as we're talking about about some of the
little intricacies, there is always that first day where somebody
picks up the phone gives you guys a call at
Edge construction number. By the way, six to eight six
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sixty three six six six six six three three four three.
You know what I made the mistake of Mike was
looking at the number as I was saying, because I
know it off the top six three six edge and
I looked at but what what What happens is people
pick up pH on, they make that first phone call,
and let's kind of talk about how things proceed from there.
You know, I say, hey, Mike, I'm looking to remodel
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my bathroom, for example. What what happens next?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So uh uh, somebody in our office will set up
an appointment. I go on every first appointment. So you're
going to see me and probably are our head of
sales and design. That's Heather and uh, by the way,
the the the amazing pictures online. I okay, we have
we have good carpenters, we have great tile guys. We
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we we can do all those tasks really well. We
can't do it without good designs. So give the design
side a lot of credit because there it's their picture
right that that we build off of. So yeah, we
come out, we brainstorm the project, and what we're trying
to do is get enough information to build that first
do that first go round, we build it in CAD,
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then we build it in a spreadsheet and that then
we're trying to build that initial budget. Like I was
talking before, Heather will keep me a praise sometimes on
how we're doing on initial budget versus contract, and I'm
always surprised that. You know, we try to get really close.
There are times where we set that initial budget and
this thing just is growing and you know, adding parts
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and pieces and that happens. But so yeah, that from
from that first meeting to getting back your initial budget
and scope is usually two to three weeks, so that
that takes a little bit of time.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Are you taking measurements and stuff that first start you
out there with your tape measure? And do you still
use state measure? They're like lasers.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You have a laser.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
You do have a laser too.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
We do use the old fashion tape measure also because uh,
you know, like like all tech what a the trust
but verify Yeah, yes, yeah, so I mean the lasers
are not is We've had the lasers mess up a
little bit once in a while, you know, like when
when I'm talking like we need it down to the
quarter enche. So it needs to be pretty specific. So
if we're gonna measure and order cabinets off those measurements,
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we're gonna use the old fashion tape, good old trust
the first go round. Definitely fantastics.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
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Edge Construction Company dot COMTELF number six O eight six
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three six Edge talking about timeline when it comes to
home remodeling, and we're just kind to do it a
bit of a walk through the process with Edge construction
and kind of getting an idea of how that stuff
is all put together. Last week we talked about that
initial kind of that site review coming out, Mike Heather,
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Design and Construction coming out, taking a look, talking with you,
getting to know what your ideas are for the project.
And I've got to guess once you kind of have
that that very basic foundation, there's obviously going to be
many radiations of yeah, that's good where we're going with it,
of the of the design and obviously going to talk
budget as well. But that's really a good place for
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you guys to not only get going but kind of
see what this project's gonna take and kind of what
a timeline is going to look like. We have something
at that point.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, a lot of times on that first meet people
will be that's one of their first questions is how
when can you start and how long is it going
to take? And it's like, well, okay, it's a little
little cut before the horse, right, We've got to do
all this other stuff first. And you were you alluded
to that, Yeah, that after that first meeting, we get
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back with a scope which is kind of like we're
trying to include all the things we talked about, and
all the ramifications of those things. So all the little
jobs that have to happen, all the materials have to
get ordered. We want to list that. I want to
give you our best guess at what it's going to
cost you. We're probably not talking about timeline much yet.
I mean, if you said, well, I want to do
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a whole house for model, how long does that take? Well,
usually it takes us six months plus or minus, you
know a little bit. So it's like you give you it,
give you a rough idea, sure, but it's a little
tough to give you the whole thing that that that
next step is really if Homer reaches back to us
and says, yeah, I have this little joke where I say,
(16:44):
nobody ever calls us back and said, well, it's so
much less than I thought it was gonna be because
it doesn't happen. But if it's anywhere close. When we're
doing that initial pricing, we're kind of at the level
of something above average, mid to high level. And at
what it does is it gives us a place to go,
so you can go up or down from that number.
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And that's where Heather and her gang get involved and
try to keep you on track with budget. But the
next step is really we bring our people out. We
go through this job. We troubleshoot everything. There were things
that we in the initial walk through, I might get asked,
can we get plumbing from here or there? I well,
I don't know. At this stage, we'll assume we can
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do it. There's a solution. I don't know if there's
ever not been a solution, and we've always figured out
a way to do it. But sometimes I've got to
have my plumber sitting there and when and when he's
out on the job, he sees things through a different lens.
A lot of times he looks at it and goes, oh,
this is no big deal. There's other times, well it's
a little tougher, but we figure out a way. So
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so how long does all that stuff take? We do
our walk we call it our trade walk through. Then
we're then we're doing selections, coming to the showroom. One
of my favorite spots in the show room. I walked
through it this morning. We have these two kind of
offshoot areas where projects are in design and or in construction,
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and what the designers will do is sort of group
things together for each job and so you get to
see what people picked out, and a lot of times
there's a new product in there, there's new tile or
or new something new countotops, and so that's that's one
way for me to get to see that. I get
to see it, especially put together, because I don't have
(18:32):
the design tea. I don't know, maybe you do it,
but I I love looking at things that have been
put together, and it's really a neat way to do
it is to see that.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
That is and you mentioned that kind of that gene
that is really something is there are there are things
that can be taught, right, I think with enough practice
that you know, there are certain things that folks can
you know, we can learn. There are certain things, though,
and I think design is one of them that that
people can do. But to be good at it, it's
really a very There's something just that there's something innate
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that people they that can do it. They just I
don't know if it's they have that extra love that
they put that passionate. But there is really an undefined
skill that that goes to good design, isn't there.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, I'm a little jealous. Yeah, there's a lot of
times where we're building something and I'm like, I don't know.
But then when you see it all come together, you're like, oh,
this is amazing. So to have that vision is great.
I always tell our gang, you know, give me the picture.
I can build you the picture, but just don't make
me draw the picture.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Do you have homeowners who connect better with whether it's
the folks on the on the building side, and connect
better with both folks kind of on their personality.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I think so, yeah, I think so. Sometimes it's a
you know, we have a pretty amiable group. So when
when we don't have a connection, we try to notice
early because like, you know, maybe this isn't such a
good fit. But yeah, we haven't had much trouble that way.
I think, like it's a tough process and so you
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don't know how people are going to react once you
get into construction and and uh, we're tearing apart the
house that you love, you know, you may get a
little antsy, and so our people are used to working
with that, I think. And the main thing is I
would say, okay, like if if there is a problem,
like if you're wondering about something, don't let it like
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ask somebody. You've got to ask somebody those people that
we have on the jobs are that's one of the
reasons they're there is to is to work with work
you through these issues and help you figure out what's
going on.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I think sometimes I know obviously a lot of like
UW professors and others that that you guys have done
work where I think of like folks that may work
in like engineering and other things, maybe a little bit
more like yes, talking yeah with you guys and some
of the you know, some of the other folks and
maybe some other other practices may be like oh, I'm
going to really talk with with the design with the
design people, and with that too, is is we talk
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about the different parts of Edge construction. The nice thing
is having in house design. And I know that that's
a lot of times could be cliche about what that is,
but actual truly in house design, which you guys have
at Edge construction. You guys know each other. I mean
there's a there is you mentioned sometimes you know, don't
let things for a homeowner, don't let them lie. But
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also internally there is a back and forth about you
know this is great, how do I build it? And
vice versas, like that looks great, but we've got to
make it aesthetically pleasing as well, right.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Well, and it's got to be buildable. So we do
have those internal discussions then get pretty lively once in
a while because oh what, we have an addition right now,
and by the designers and the homeowners decided to increase
the width about a foot and it created some issues.
Now it's not necessarily like expensive issues. It's like, okay, Mike,
(21:53):
cast figure out how to build this. Now. You wouldn't
think it would change that much, but it really does,
because we got roof floads and I think about those things,
and I have come to the conclusion that we operate
best in this business by letting design come first. So
which I'm sure the designers nobody tell them, please, they
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already think enough. But I'll give you an example. So,
like it used to be fifteen years ago, we'd go
into somebody's basement and it was roughed in for a
bath down there. But it was a lot of times
builders are shooting in the dark, you know, they don't
they don't really know where you want your bath or
where the third owner from now is going to want
(22:36):
the bath. And so a lot of times you walk
down there and Homer's like, I don't know why they
roughed it in here, but I wish it was over there.
Well fifteen years ago, Oh the world would stop. We'd
be like, well, no, let's let's try and steer them
into having it there. At this point, though, we move
half of those baths, we move half of those roughs, it's
not that big a deal. And if it's important to
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the design, you know, if you're gonna spend all this
money and take take time out and be on our
construction in your house, the result needs to be good.
I mean it needs to be great. And so I
now my opinion is design first. We figure out the
problems we've we've we've never not been able to figure
out the problem. Yeah, and they are as big of
an impact as people think.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
We're talking a little bit too about the design process.
As we kind of work through that, as we talk
with Mike two eight, owner of Edge Construction. Yeah, if
you've got an idea, they can make it happen. It'd
be great to talk with Michael's team. I got to
do this morning. Pickup phone Gemmac call six O eight
six three six three three four three that number six
three six Edge The website, Edge Construction Company dot com.
That's Edge Construction Company dot com. Of course, Edge Construction
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brings you the Homer Modeling Show right here on thirteen
ten wib E. This is the Homer Modeling Show brought
to you by Edge Construction Online. Edge Construction Company dot com.
Great website, Dolphin number six O eight six three six
three three four three that number six three six Edge
talking about the timeline for a Homer model and whether
it's an addition, or a bathroom or a kitchen, there's
there's each have their own different different aspects. Every obviously,
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project is unique and special. Edge Construction and Mike we're
talking about speaking of things that are unique and special.
We left off talking about design and kind of how
that process works is after you get a chance to
take a look at and kind of work with the
homeowner about what they want to do, it goes then
to design and it's uh, you're just waiting, right, yes,
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and they take they take over for a while.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah and yeah. People wonder, okay, what's the timeline? When
when is a start date? Well, generally our projects spend
about the same amount of time in design as they
do in construction. So if if your kitchen is going
to take two and a half three months to build
out and finish. Then that's about how long you're going
to spend a design. And we don't set the pace
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on the design. Okay, there's a thing I like to
call reaction time. So if we're maybe from that second
or third meeting, or we're selections and we're still not
we're maybe ninety percent firmed up on the plan, we're
gonna give you those You're gonna go home. You might
call us back later that day and go, yep, that's
what you want, or you might go, hey, I need
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a little time. The truth is most people need a
little time from a week to two weeks to look
at those revisions and think about the stuff they're picking out.
Then we start again. Okay, we hit the drawing board again,
redraw the plans, and that might happen two, three, four
times before we actually get to contract, before we get
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to a finished product that we can give you a
firm price on then and write a contract.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, it kind of alluded to it. I think at
at that first segment of the show too. People who
have gone through design, good design and good and good
you know, in the process you guys have an edge
construction looking back, appreciate how it's done. And for good
reason is do you really in a year or two
do you remember that it took a week extra like
that doesn't. What really matters is getting that stuff right.
(26:00):
And when you were talking about the design and having
time to kind of go over and digest and and
that stuff. Those things, it's real. It's real easy to
fix something or change something on paper. Once it's built,
it gets a little more. It takes a little more
time and a little bit more money.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, you know, while you were talking, I was thinking
about part of that timeline and design Roy is held
up by when we make a change, it might be
a product change, it might be a tile change. We
then send that out to get pricing on it. And
most people, me included, would go, oh, we should get
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that later today. But it doesn't happen now. A lot
of times it's and I think this is a little
little bit of a hangover from COVID and those times
we went through. Sometimes it's a week or two weeks
or even longer before we get pricing, and we're on
our side, we're begging for pricing. We got homeowners begging
us for pricing, right, because we can't write a contract
without pricing. But it is a process you got to follow.
(26:58):
And you know, if if we don't sub up much,
and so I think in our favor, that's that's a
good thing. We're an electrical contractor. We have cabinets, tops,
all the flooring choices, we install everything on that side.
We subcontracts for us are usually mean plumbing and heating,
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and that's pretty much it. And so if we're waiting
for if we're waiting for design updates and pricing, it's
from a limited amount of amount of people at least,
I mean, I think hopefully grows a little better. I
don't like going into contracts without a firm number. I don't.
I just don't. I'm not made that way. I want to.
I want to provide you with a contract with a
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number at the end, and we're going to hit that
one hundred percent of the time. That is not the norm,
by the way, in our business. Our business is the
price seems to be a guideline. I hear stories every
day from home owners that had somebody else from out
their kitchen and bathroom and now we're there looking at
something else and that you know, a big bill at
the end, or it costs more than they thought, or
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and so I think some of that is because they
don't take that time. They don't have that timeline for
design up front, where we're okay, we have a goal
at the end, we're going to write a contract, but
it's everything's gonna be picked out, everything's gonna be decided,
and then the only adjustments to price earlier that at
that point are as if you add something or change something.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What about is we took about two kind of going
through that design and have you know, getting that finalized
and saying this is what you know, you get the
get the beautiful renderings and CAD and people can really
see it. At that point, things like planning, staging, that
stuff starts to begin, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, So if once that contract is written, once we're
signed up, we order pretty much everything we can get
our hands on. So we're still not starting the day
of the contract because we're gonna we're gonna now order cabinets.
So I mentioned long lead times. I've a couple of
years ago we were at I think we peaked at
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maybe maybe six months lead time for cabinets. I mean
it's just a tremendously long time. It was really bad
for us, it was bad for homeowners. I'm sure the
companies that we're dealing with it weren't have the manufacturers
weren't have a lot of fun either. But those numbers
are now down to like four to six weeks. Okay,
So once we when we get a delivery data on
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those cabinets, is when we as when we set a
date on starting that kitchen. So I would say normally
after contract, we're trying to start six seven weeks after
after the contract, we want to actually start that kitchen.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
For folks that have had a chance to stop in
and visit and been to the showroom, it's really just
a small part of the building. I mean there's you
guys have I know years ago, I remember visiting is
probably a decade or two. You guys are in a
smaller location for good reason.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
You've moved.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
How long have you been in your current.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Location now it's twenty thirteen?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, wow, congratulations. And it's it's a big spot for
a big reason, which is as we're talking about ordering
things and bringing things in. Nothing could slow down a
project more than waiting on something or worse getting wrong
something and waiting for wrong something to be replaced. And
you guys are able to stage that stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yes, And so our backshop stores a lot of things,
and we have a good sized warehouse back there. We
have capacity to store six to eight kitchens. I know
we've had that many back there. It's not the norm.
Something probably went wrong for that to happen that they
all piled up like that. But but yeah, we generally
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have a kitchen or too waiting back there to go in.
I feel much better having those cabinets, some of those
big ticket items in my hands before we get before
we start tearing things apart, because yeah, it's like I said,
the manufacturing has got a lot more predictable. But what
if something happened, what if what if something got missed
and we're waiting. The tiles kind of went through the
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same thing. So if you came in our backshop, you're
going to see shelves full of tile laid out by
job and uh it's really great. So our our internal
people at do tile, they when it when it comes
to pull up, when it comes to uh doing that job,
they can just pull it off the shelf. They know
they've got it. We don't have to get to a
supplier and hope that everything is there.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
What about with design and understanding maybe comps is comparables
is if like let's say understanding that just think of tiles.
There's infinite designs of tiles, and let's say the particular
one that is a homeowner I want this one. Uh,
it's it's going to be a way does your design
I know your designers are pretty familiar with all the
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different manufacturers and who you work with, and saying, well,
that one might take a little longer. We've got one
almost identical that can get that. I mean that. That
is also part of we talk about some of the
all the different skills of folks at edge construction. One
of them is kind of knowing where to find what's availing.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yes, so there's three things when we're considering and looking
at those products those kinds of products. Is the overall design,
like we want that the picture in our head has
to match. But availability and lead time that's another huge one.
There are there are now tiles that we can we've
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gotten lead times back down to Sometimes they're stock tiles.
There are places in town that stock certain tiles. Some
of the more popular ones. There's a level that it
takes a week to get, a level it takes two
weeks to get, and a good designer will have a
good handle on that stuff and or we'll be able
to find out quickly how available that tie tile is. Again,
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I don't care if it's available today or tomorrow or
next month. We're gonna, we're gonna at contract time, we're
gonna buy it. We're gonna get it in our show,
in our in our warehouse that we've got it. The
other thing to worry about is that we're a good
designer can help you on the on something like tile.
Is that Okay, you've got this one that you really like,
but it's twenty five dollars a foot, and we're not
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sure how available it is. There might be one that
is very close for five dollars a foot that you
would never find without a good designer. And so that's
where they can really help you, man. And we're constantly
searching for those products. You know that that five dollars
foot tile, the quality can be exactly the same as
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that twenty five dollars foot tile. It's just maybe that
one's made in Europe or something. And Lee times take
a while, Shipping takes a while, whereas we can get
some something a little more local. That'll do the trick.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Dogget's Morning, Mike two wag, owner of Edge Construction Online,
Edge Construction Company dot com. All one word Edge Construction
Company dot com. Great to pick phone, give a call
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We'll say the Homer Modeling Show with Edge Construction. We'll
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this is the Homer Modeling Show, brought to you by
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Edge Construction Online, Edge Construction Company dot com. That's all
one word Edge Construction Company dot Com. Telp number six
so eight six three six three three four three. That's
six three six Edge. Talking this week about a timeline
for Homer Modeling and Mike, as we've been going through
kind of walking through the process, one of the things
popped into my head. What is the what room or
which projects generally take the most amount? I was going
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to guess kitchens, but I'm like, I don't know for
sure what what does for as far as design? What
are is there one that stands out as far as
this is the one that's going to probably take longer
than you expect.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, for us, it's uh so it's not about we
don't build that many houses, but maybe one or two
a year. But when we do, they tend to be
a little bit more unusual. It might be in a
tough spot like on the lake or or in the country,
and or house has to get torn down and a
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new one built down there on the same spot. And
so that's that that takes a different level of design.
And so about half those houses that we do build
go through just from scratch cat process. And i'll give
you the one we're finishing up right now in a
a month or so. Spent probably almost a year in design,
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partially because the first house we drew, everybody loved, but
one half of the couple that was going to live
there said, you know, I want to I like the house,
but I want a real front porch, you know, like
old school front porch. And kind of over the years
those porches have gone away, like they the new houses,
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especially ranch houses, are not drawn for a front porch,
and it's and it's just hard to fit them into
some plans. And we were several months into designing this
house and had to basically scrap the plan and start over.
And so the result, which will end up on our
website at some point, is tremendous, and it's got an
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amazing front porch, which anybody would be jealous of. I
think it's just it's it's kind of takes me back,
you know, as a kid, I had a my cousin.
He was one of thirteen kids, I think, and whenever
you rode your bike over their house, there was four
or five people out on that front porch. And the
neighbor hod is very social and front porches were that way.
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I don't know if you do you remember that one?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Oh, yes, absolutely, yeah, I was. It's funny. I think,
you know, we talked off the air. It may have
been about this particular project, but we talked about front porches,
and you were kind of talking to me about the
project and about some of the benefits and you know
the fact that we don't see them as often as
we used to it, and now every time I drive
around I see a beautiful porche, I'm like, look at that,
look at that. And with that with kind of those
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you know, those bigger projects, obviously there's there's not only
is there a lot more to him. As you mentioned,
there's there's also logistics that need to happen tying it
in with the current place. Also, you mentioned oftentimes that
people are are bringing edge construction. Is it's because it's
a unique job that needs specialized talent and a really
good understanding with that. Are there some some projects that
(36:56):
tend to go much faster than people may expect.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, I think so. You know, some that simpler stuff.
If we're just doing a main bath in a house
and it's pretty much replacement, that's very easy. A lot
of times we'll do a refresh on a kitchen where
we're doing counter toss backsplash pretty much yet that that
doesn't need to spend very much time and design. Those
things are pretty easy to do a lot of times.
Basements too. Now we have done basements that are you know,
(37:21):
off the charts cool and the customed things everywhere, But
a lot of times basements are just extra finished space.
Whether there's another veteran of bath down there, it's a
fairly easy design proposition. There's only so many things you
can do down there sometimes, and be honest, I think
our people are so good at it that that one
goes a little quicker, but you get into the kitchens,
(37:42):
I think it's worth taking your time as we think about.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
So, yeah, anybody that's said the experience of doing a
remodel of a kitchen, it definitely would probably like, Yeah,
that's definitely one it is it. One final thing as
we kind of wrap up this week is I know
we spent a lot of time as we go to
the timeline talking about design, and I do want to
talk about what you guys do when it comes to
the timeline. So let's just we're gonna fast forward design.
(38:07):
Is there, contracts, everything's good to go, Budget's good to go,
everything's ordered, demolish, demo starts demo day. So that is
where things really start to happen, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, So we're going to have we're gonna we're gonna
create a mess, right But before we do that, our
people are going to try and separate the living part
of the house from the construction area of the house.
And we'll do that with temp walls or plastic or
zip walls or whatever whatever happens there. We're going to
(38:37):
take precautions there. We're gonna cover floors, we're gonna or
do everything we can to protect your stuff. We're gonna
need a staging area maybe out in that garage or
or someplace in the house not to where materials sort
up passed through in and out and uh right, demo starts.
So we'll take a kitchen. I think our kitchen contracts
(38:57):
we're probably signing for around one hundred day is ninety days.
Might be a little less on some jobs if we
if we if we talk about ninety days on your kitchen,
it means we've got to shoot for seventy five, by
the way, because you know, it's just the world we
live in now. There's there's for some reason, there tends
to be things at the end where we're waiting or
(39:18):
you know, little finishes to just tie it back together.
And so that's a that's a pretty common timeline. I
would say for us five years ago, we probably could
take two or three weeks off of that timeline. It's
just we're a little it's a different world now, so
we're doing and you know, I okay, we went through
COVID where it got real important to not have a
(39:40):
bunch of people in your house at the same time,
or a bunch of people working on top of each other.
But actually I think that's kind of a better way
to do it. Anyways. We want to let those good trades,
we want to sort of give them the give them
the ball, and let them do what they need to do,
and then when they're done, they're out and the next
person's in and you don't have that interference of trying
to work together.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Certainly, and I think of like in the shipping industry,
you always hear about that last mile problem, which is
like it's real easy to get not easy, but but
things can get from point A to point B quickly.
It's getting them from point B to the front door
that that can create that that creates a little bit
more time. And it seems like in remodeling too, there's
like ninety percent of it is very like it's a
(40:21):
ten percent that tends to be kind of those those
final parts. Are my am I off on that? Or
is that kind of yeah at all?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I mean I think that you know, when we talk
about two or three month timeline on a kitchen, I
think from Ahner's view, they're thinking it's going to be
noise for two three months. That's a it's a long time,
but really it's not like that. It's it's it's pretty
hot and heavy the first few weeks, and then things
kind of quiet down. I mean, painting doesn't make much noise,
(40:49):
and stealing cabinets doesn't make much noise. Yes, there's saws intermittently,
but it's not like tearing stuff apart. It's not the
it's not the mess of tern stuff apart. Once we
get into that fin it's pretty quiet, pretty it's a
lot less invasive than you think.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
It's really, it's an amazing As we talked with Mike
two Egg of Edge Construction, they do amazing work. It's
an amazing time to check that out. By the way,
got some time this morning, head on over to Edgeconstruction
Company dot com. Check out their portfolio. They're also got
links to Facebook, Pinterest, and hows. If you haven't been
to house yet, definitely make sure you check that out.
Just head on over to Edge Construction Company dot com,
click on the little green h and it'll take you
(41:26):
over to house. You'll see some great ideas. Got some
ideas for some remodeling, But think you about starting that conversation.
Great day to pick the phone and give them a call.
Six O eight six three six three three four three,
that number six three six Edge, and of course Edge
Construction brings you the Homer Modeling Show right here on
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