Avoiding Remodeling Regret

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Tell forh number six So eight six three six three
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us morning from Edge Construction is Mike too eight Mike,
how you doing this week?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Raat Sean Good to talk with you.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
We're gonna be talking remodeling regrets.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, well regrets.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah we do. And before we get to that, I
think part of you know, as we talk on the show,
we always talk a lot about design, and I'm going
to guess that the best way to not experience regrets
is to really put the work in upfront, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, I think that if you're a homeowner or not,
and I don't fault anybody for this kind of thing,
and you're thinking like, well, you're generally thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
You can do less.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I want to put this you can be less invasive
and get the result that you want to get to
and if you spend enough time on design. And part
of that process for us is also you know, we
bring our people in and as the things progressing, and
we go through that house and try to troubleshoot and
and there's a lot of times we're going in and
going you know, in an old house.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
It could be some things you're not thinking about.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
They're like, well, okay, if we update the update the
wiring in the kitchen, there's there's probably wires running through
there that are you know, where somebody's been naughty that
are heading upstairs or other rooms, or maybe there's too
much on one circuit and it just starts to affect
other areas of the house. And I always think like,
we have a master electrician on staff and and prior

(01:48):
to having Dale that that business. They're they're all great,
they all know what they're doing, but they would bid
that process. And that's that's kind of how this goes.
We we define our scope kind of between the homeowner
and us, and uh, we put that out to bid
in our electrician. It's not like we put it to

(02:09):
bid to three electrician. We would have one that did
all our work and they would price it out and
then we're doing the job. They did the job and
we closed things up and went home. And now with Dale,
I think he's because he's on staff, works for us,
and he is in the house. I'm not saying the
other people cared any less, but he's very conscious about

(02:32):
not leaving something and so if we there's many times
this happened me this week where Dale called and said, hey,
I got problems here. I need to replace devices. Which
that's what he will say, and that what that means
is switches and outlets in unaffected rooms because I found
this and it's and it's causing problems and we need

(02:52):
to fix it. And so that then becomes a discussion
between homeowner and us. But yeah, that that that So
how do you not have that regret?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Right?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You do as much as you can up front.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
You try not to rush through that design process so
you can start to do things that make sense. Also
not just get the look that you're looking for. There's
half the work is you can't see. It's behind the walls.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
You mentioned Dale. I love hearing his stories. He's quite
was quite the fine for you because and Dale. If
you are listening to the show this morning, great to
have you along. But even when the mics are off,
you tell stories about really amazing work that he does.
And you were mentioning there're some of the attention to

(03:37):
detail and some of the other things is you talk about,
you know, as you talk about things like remodeling, regret
having somebody with an eye for those details up front
wall for example, with electricians while the walls are still open.
That can save you a lot of heartache and headache
and save you in the wallet and the long term
can't do it?

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Can And it's sort of there's the line is blurry sometimes, right,
So when when we're pricing things, I like to go
I have to. I want to be a realist. I know,
if we're doing a bathroom model, and and you know,
half the bathroom model as we do are there's visible

(04:19):
kind of major problems like there might be tile this
that's loose in this hour, which which I know and
you don't have to be a carpenter to know that.
I mean, some water's probably got behind there and produce
some rot. But I could price it, you know right
off the bat, like oh, everything's fine, We're just gonna
be able to pull that tile off, put new tile on,
not have to do a bunch of repair. But I

(04:40):
think this is one way that as a modeler, we
we stick to our contracted price, you know, because I
know that we're going to find problems, and I I
know that we're going to fix them, and there is
a cost involved, and I don't want to have to
go back on a change order and and all of

(05:01):
a sudden, this this price starts going up and up
and up. I'd rather kind of rip the band aid
off plan for what we know is going to happen.
I think that it is super common and it kind
of gives remodeling a bad reputation because you like on TV, they're.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Always finding something right.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, and uh, you know, we can kind of play
it off and say, well they want to have drama,
Oh we open the wall and this this is what
we found. Well, for a really good qualified romoeler that's
been been doing a long time, they get hard to fool, right,
it's been down this road too many times.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
And so.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
I think that helps to have realistic pricing from the
from the from the start, uh, And it solves this
problem of coming back to the homeowner for more money
as you're going along.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
That's a that's a that's a.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
If we're talking about regrets, I think that we've had
several homewers that we worked for that had used somebody
else initially as a you know, that was the worst part.
We we budgeted, we thought we had it, and then
it just kept kept coming.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's and I know how how at edge construction, how
you operate and the importance of having you know that
and understanding the budget and having realistic understandings for what
these projects are going to cost. I know that there
are some some people out there that they'll do, you know,
like to get the bid, they'll go as low as
possible and surprise prize finding. I know. One of the

(06:25):
big things with edge construction is that budget and understanding
realistically what that's going to get you. And and for
homeowners talk about regret is understanding what they're paying for.
Is really important too, is what as we talk about
this budget, what are we getting with this project?

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:44):
And and I have really strong views on this because
first time through, we could price your your bathroom model
with laminate countertops, a chief part caboard cabinet, maybe vinyl
on the floor, but unfortunately nobody ever picks that stuff.

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I mean, like when you go through this design process.
One great thing that's happened in remodeling is that homeowners
are more interested in putting in a quality product it's
going to last. I think we've all probably had experience
with a with a a cheaper vinyl floor that looked
good for you know, ten minutes, and then then it

(07:29):
started to show where and fall apart, and like, well,
you know what, I wish we would have put something
better down. And being that people now, our home owners
are staying in houses longer, I mean, that's definitely the trend.
It's not like we're always looking for that move up hose.
It's it's I think people feel better about putting natural

(07:49):
products in and better products in and through that design process.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
That's That's the other thing.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Lighting in a kitchen, this is a great one kind
of falls on the same line. Our standard lighting package
almost nobody really has to add to. We include under
cabinet lights. We we we know we're going to daylight
that kitchen.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
We know we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Install some service mod fixtures, whether it's over nile or
so it's like every time you add one of those things,
that's not an extra because that's what everybody does. Now
if you if you say, you know what, I don't
like our cabital, we can pull it out. We can
pull it out. Your price will come down. Okay, But
I think it's a more honest way to do it
is to start off with what we know, what we.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Think is going to happen.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
You ever had anybody ask to the under but the
ways we give to ever have people that? Does anybody
do linoleum flooring anymore? Is there is there a place
for there?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Is there really is? Uh? You know, for us, it
seems to be you know.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Sometimes in a basement bath that's that's you know a
lot of times people remodel a basement. They want the
extra great room space, maybe a bedroom down there, but
they don't really have somebody to put in that bedroom.
And maybe they get somebody visiting, you know, once or
twice a year or something that ends up down there,
and so that bath just doesn't get a lot of use.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I totally get.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
And there are actually there are better products out there now,
like you can you can buy it upgraded vinyl. I mean,
we do quite a We call it sheet vinyl. So
that's where it's like one big sheet of vinyl fell
out of favor, and I think rightly so in the past.
But that product is a little make a little comeback.
It looks better, it performs better. You can still buy

(09:31):
that sort of bottom of the barrel product, which I
don't recommend at all, and we won't sell it to you,
to be honest, we do. We do quite a bit
of the glue down lvps, the vinyl plank floorings and
where we can, you know, we can give it a
tile look. It just has and it's super dry, like
there's no comparison to the old sheet vinyl to this

(09:51):
stuff is much more durable product.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I remember, it feels like the seventies and eighties, like
every house, every kitchen had that that kind of alamy.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
We actually, uh keep us sort of an informal running
record of how many layers of that we've had to
peel off in kitchen TASTI I.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Think we've had a kitchen with six layers.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Seriously, it was like almost two inches of you know, okay,
this final wears out where we're gonna put another layer
of underlayment quarter inch plywood product and vinyl and then
another layer and another layering off. It is not pleasant,
by the way to tear that stuff up. It's it's
sort of pain to get it out of there. But
you know, at some point, I think somebody's got to

(10:35):
do what's right by the house.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Also, well, that's as we talked to morning with Mike
two Wig, owner of Edge Construction. The website Edge Construction
Company dot com. It's all one word Edge Construction Company
dot com. They're telling number six so eight six three
six three three four three that number six three six Edge.
You mentioned doing right by the house, and that's as
we talk about our regrets or things you won't regret ultimately. Again,
budgets and I get it. World money makes the world

(10:59):
go around. But doing right by the house and doing
you know, really really putting that, putting that effort in
and putting that that priority in place is something you'll
never regret.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, So much of this came out of the six
or seven to eight stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Where the that dirty word, dirty fur letter word, flip
flip people, the house flippers.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
There were shows on TV showing you how to do this.
Even now I've talked to there's huge companies doing this
in our area and every every major metro really where
they're buying up the cheaper houses, they're buying up the
lower end and they're doing just enough to make you know,

(11:46):
ten percent of their money. Those decisions are not good
for that, Like somebody now is going to buy that
and if they're going to say they're a long time,
they're gonna they're gonna want to go back and before
they go forward again. It's not like you can you
can add on to that that that product that has
been put in by people that do the flipping.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
So if you're flipping houses, just stop it.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
So it's not already and really it's wasteful, right if
we're putting in product that has to be it takes
energy to produce it, install it, truck it. If put
in flooring or windows that need to be replaced every
eight or ten years, that's just not great for the
life of that house versus we've talked up a hundred

(12:27):
times about wood. Floors that can be refinished are making
a huge comeback. If you care about green gray, If
you don't, it's up to you. It's still a great product. Yeah,
we're refinishing floors that are one hundred years old and
there and there they still have one hundred years of
life left them. It's like got to be the greenest
product that's ever been produced. And so like, I like

(12:49):
when things don't have to be replaced in ten or
twenty years, I feel like we didn't do our job.
And if we're selling product that has to be replaced,
I don't want to do that either.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
So too is as we talked to more than Mike
two Wig, owner of Bench Construction, kind of those those
house flips and those kind of you know, I you
can tell which the week that that that house was
redone with flooring was on special at Big Bucks or
that type of stuff. Like I've got to guess that
that some of that is starting to go by the waste.
I mean, are you guys running into getting called in

(13:20):
less to fix previous errors like that, or are we
still seeing some of those popping up around town.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
We're gonna be dealing with it for a while.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
It does it does seem like we're I think there's
less people doing it, you know, like now there's less
new ones, but we're gonna be dealing with And where
it really hurts is when you've got a young homeowner,
first time buyer. They come in and to them it
looks like things have been done and okay, great, I
don't have worry about the kitschen, I don't worry about

(13:49):
the bath for a while, and within a couple of
years they figure out that, you know, okay, this was
not done well or the products they use were We're
really not gonna last. And so you know, when you're
you know, if you're paying that, that's really walking into
a buzzsaf for a younger homeowner.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
So I tend to not like that. Yeah, it's it's
never good to see.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
And that's one of the great things about as we
talked this morning with Mike two Egg, owner of Edge Construction,
doing that job right, the importance of putting putting the
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about some remodeling regrets that folks that folks have. We
were talking that last segment about about folks buying a
house from a flipper or I do know, Mike, sometimes
folks are even tempted to try and even if it's
not to flip, just doing it for themselves. They'll see that,

(15:14):
you know, that big box special on flooring or or
other type of things for your house, and they end
up really regretting it. You guys, And I wonder about
folks that contact you at Edge Construction saying, you know what,
we've we've tried other ways. Uh, let's do it the
right way. You get called in on that one quite
a bit, don't you.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
I mean, and I understand the temptation, right by the
way it takes. You got to be an adult to man
up and whatever, yeah, and admit that you screwed up.
But you know, the the one of the things that
really drove this was to click together flooring, you know,
snap together flooring. If you watch this online, it looks
like I'm just gonna you know, us together, but they

(15:58):
don't show you how how hard it is to finish
it right right around, like like doorways and and trim
that's not straight. You know, if you have baseboard running along,
you can always put a piece of shoe and cover
that gap, but you're going to get to a door eventually,
which needs to really be undercut. And like most things
in construction, prep is really important. You know, it's not

(16:21):
sexy to level floors and smooth things out and make
sure you have the right substrate underneath there.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's much more fun to just click that. It's like legos, right,
we start putting that floor together.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
And that has driven a lot of that and what
you end up with, what we see a lot of
is sort of stop gap. You know, maybe the carpet
just got to a point. Caldn't deal with it. It wasn't
in the cards to do a fuller model yet, so
we went and got some click flooring, got us through
and but now we have maybe three or four different

(16:56):
types of flooring in our on our main level. And
you know, as you grow up in mature, you go,
I don't know if I really want that. I want
some continuity, and you start looking at that design as
a whole, and that's where that stuff kind of falls apart.
By the way that that click foring is is you
want to talk about regrets, that's a buyer beware thing.

(17:17):
On the on the low end of this click form,
there are starting to be some real problems showing up,
mainly because it expands and contracts so much. It'll first
show up like in a in a in front of
a patio door. You got sunlight coming in on a nice,
nice day where the sun is really shining, doesn't have
to even be summer. It hits that flooring and kind

(17:38):
of a circle expands it out. When it contracts back
up when the sun goes down, sometimes those joints will
let loose, the clicks will let loose, especially on the
ends of the planks, and you have a problem. Okay,
how many times can you reattach before it won't reattach
and now you've got this floor The builders, uh, I'm

(17:59):
gonna put front of them a little bit. They drove
a lot of this too. If you look at even
new construction now there's a lot of this product out there,
you will notice the builders have against their basic instinct
of putting in something that saves a buck, they're putting
in better product down. They've eliminated the lower end of
this flooring. We are very careful with what we sell

(18:25):
now because we don't want this problem. So yes, it's
a little more pain. I mean to be honest, like
the mid or above middle class on the click flooring,
on the LVTs, you're getting into territory that you could
almost put a real wood floor down.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
So I okay, would I.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Rather have a oil based product really that's that's not
gonna last two hundred years, or a real real wood
floor has just a different feel.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
So I think those choices.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
You know, there are no secrets and can truction If
if there's a product that's that's not lasting or enough,
people get that experience and they don't want it anymore.
So we tend to veer towards better products. Anyways, speaking of.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
By the way products and doing things to kind of
buy more time and maybe regret the idea of simply
putting some paint on a cabinet when folks look at
what it costs to replace cabinets, people like, you know what,
let's just sand these up, or maybe they don't even
bother standing them. Let's just throw a coat of paint
on them and fingers crossed. It gets us through the
of the ear. I know that that's an area a

(19:32):
lot of folks regret regret doing, but some of it's
out of just pure necessity.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Pure necessity. I mean, it can buy you. I've seen
people buy themselves maybe a few years. The flippers are
great at this. We're just going to shoot a coat
of paint on make it look new to a buy
or be aware, right to an inexperienced home ore, it
might actually look, you know, pretty good. I mean, Martha

(19:57):
Stewart's still around encouraging this stuff, so I make fun
of her a little bit. But you know where did
this all start?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Right?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
We're gonna q see something up and make it look good,
but is it gonna last? We get probably one out
of ten howers that approach us with this, Hey, I
just want new countertops.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Can you paint our cabinets? Well? A lot of times
when I.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Look at the cabinets, those eighty nineties cabinets, even early
two thousands, there the billigrade stuff had tin shelves, hardware
that wasn't that great. The drawerboxes weren't like maple dove
toy drawerboxes like that. That's what we sell. The drawer glides,

(20:40):
you know where the or the cheaper stuff not so
closed can support much weight. And they've been run through
the mill like a family had Adam for twenty years,
and like, okay, there's not much left. So are you
going to invest half what what a new set of
cabinets would would cost in really doing a good job

(21:01):
of repaying these or are you gonna are you gonna
do kind of something as a homeowner to buy yourself fears.
I totally understand that what I don't like doing is
throwing good money after bad So we're not gonna take
I used up cabinet and throw a couldn't paint on it,
replace all the drawer glides and door hardware and h
And by the time we do all that and put

(21:22):
a bunch of labor in there, and then you know,
a lot of those kitchens had some fatal flaws. Right,
Maybe there wasn't enough counter space around the around the
cooking area, around the stovetop or or cook top, or
maybe there's not a landing zone near the fridge. Maybe
there's maybe instead of a peninsula, you want an isle. Now,
you can't really fix up this kitchen, right, You can't

(21:45):
update your mechanicals. You can get to a few things,
but you can't get to everything. So yeah, it just
turns into not being a great deal. Debian said, we
have had a couple. We got one online.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
We did.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
It's a beautiful hell house in Bishops Bay. The cabinets
actually were like ten years old, and we're a great
cabinet when they're installed, very very well, put together, a
great material. They were not failing it anyway. We painted them.
I think that that paint chop could last twenty years
or more. And the cabinets also.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
So do you guys experience that you speaking of some
of you know, well built cabinets. I've got to guess
there are times where you run into a kitchen that's
you know, on an old like in this old house
kind of home where they used real you know, real
wood all around and those type of things. Are you
guys able to preserve any of any of that or
other citch scenarios where you're like, you know, maybe we'll

(22:38):
put an island in with with new cabinets that kind
of match those old ones, but we really just because
of the quality that was put into those originally that
you really want to try and retain as much as again.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
We do it occasionally happens it's I really feel guilty
tearing out something that was beautifully built in the older houses.
Usually it ends up being kind of like a buffet
area or maybe an area that was more of a
pantry style, because they also did some other things. They

(23:10):
did some weird stuff back then. The cabs wouldn't be
as deep. Sometimes they'd be instead of twenty four inches deep,
they might be seventeen or eighteen or nineteen or something.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
The other thing that they kind.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Of did a lot of was they would have their
upper cabinets come down within like a foot of the
lower cabinets, so you have you don't really have good
workspace there, and it's like we can't. There's not much
we can do about that and preserve the old cabinets. So,
plus there's other things like plaster that's one hundred years

(23:41):
old starts to kind of loosen up. It goes through
the lath, whether it's metal ath or would lath, and
we call it keying. So when they mush it on there,
when they trail it on, yeah you see the flat
part up front, but it sort of goes through and
locks behind, and those keys start to break off, and
that plaster can get loose. So at some point, really

(24:02):
somebody's got to just like start off, get it down.
It says, insulate. Well, insulation something we weren't really talked about.
So when an old house, Yeah, okay, maybe we can
take those old cabinets off.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I'm back on. You still have a cold wall.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
That's probably not weird, right, you know, so yeah, this
is how it goes right.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, I guess when you mentioned that the plaster, because
I've noticed that, and I guess I had never thought
of that where you'll see like like an old building
where it almost looks like the part of the wall.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Is going to fall off.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, like what is going on? And that's that's fascinating
as we talk.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
If I'm walking through your house and you've got this.
You've got plushre walls. You're probably going to see me
put my hand on it and start of pushing, because
that's what I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I'm looking for some movement in that plaster.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I guess just you know, we want to know we're
getting into too.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
That's important stuff. As they talked to Mory like two week,
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that number six three six edge talking about remodeling regrets,
and I think obviously a lot of this comes back
to planning and really finding the right make sure that
what you're doing is within budget, is going to uh,
is going to last, and some of those other areas.

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I know, people like to get a little wild. Sometimes
we're gonna go, yeah, we're gonna so with some where
you know, some unique colors and and things like that.
The nice thing about paint is you can paint over it,
but sometimes a little more hard than But we do
see folks, you know, as far as regret, like maybe
not thinking things all the way through is thinking very temporary,

(26:16):
not long term for design, I know, obviously when you
do a remodel you want a little personalization. But finding
that balance I think kind of you know, reflects on
working with good designers and working with you know, we
talk about the folks you have an Edge construction to
kind of balance that of giving it Obviously you want
it to be unique space, but you don't want it
to be wild and weird.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Right, Well, I think there's, yeah, there's a line that
that that maybe you shouldn't just think about cross. Yeah,
I'm not going to tell somebody that, you know, if
they really love a certain style and there that's how
they want their house to look. Hey man, more poetry.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
You.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Generally, what we see is in the in the normal
areas that the common areas, kitchen, great room areas that
your friends and family are going to spend time in.
People tend to be and I think it's good advice
to be a little more conservative there. That doesn't mean
you can't take a chance on a on a backsplash
tile or or you know, I don't know what the

(27:17):
accent might be. It might be something that warms it up.
Maybe it's a wood wall or some beams or something.
We see people's kind of designed juices flow in some
of those other areas might a part of them. Okay,
that's someplace that everybody sees. But you know, it's small.

(27:38):
Okay if you if you do it and in five
years you hate it, it's not like you've got to
sell the farm to fix it up. So that's a
that's a good place to take a chance some chances.
Basement basement areas have been great for that. We've seen
people do some really cool stuff that I don't know
if I would have the guts to do, like in

(27:59):
my main level, in my main areas.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But in saying a.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Kitchenat or bar area, in the basement or a bathroom.
Some of the coolest bathrooms we've done have been a
basement of ass because people are willing to take some
chances and bring in some more eclectic stuff. Those those
things can shine also by we've seen people bring in
artwork that is so these are things that can be

(28:25):
moved on. Which is that to me is a cool thing.
Maybe maybe some something that's furniture that that can kind
of show your personality.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Lamar, but you're not.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, you get sick of it, you can throw in
the basement or the garage or something.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
I that being said, some of the kitchens were doing
that have these bold colors. You know, ten years ago,
I just did not see this coming. I thought, Wow,
that's too crazy to do. And now it's got to
be kind of a standard. And so, like I said,
I think there's limits. If you're going to do bold cabinets.

(29:00):
It still works if if you're if you're being a
little more conservative in some other areas. If you're like,
if everything's bold and crazy, I don't know, I feel
like the walls are closing.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
A little bit. I know what your thoughts are.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
No, I it's when you mentioned basements, because that's the
one thing I kind of jump people kind of view
that as because it really is kind of almost like
a bonus extra space. And I love seeing, you know,
some of their models and the projects you guys have
done at Edge Construction. You mentioned some of those bathrooms
and some of those areas where you can actually kind
of get to know a little bit about like the

(29:35):
personality of the homeowner. Where Like I know you've talked
about doing things even like putting in like stages or
other things in these basement spaces that obvious you're not
gonna go want to put a stage in your living room,
but in your basement What a great what a great
place to put something like that.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, I mean, I've got two granddaughters, and let me
tell you, they would love if we had a little
stage or the curtain up there where they could do
the shows and stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I would love it too, to be half stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
But there are okay, how how I know We've got
a couple of jobs coming up where I'm gonna do
like a live edge top.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
That doesn't mean that doesn't screw. That's not like Chancey
to me, Like, I think that's cool.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Coversus wood. I love doing the wood stuff. So I'm
trying to think of what else.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Oh, we just did one which we'll have pictures up
in a little while of I built a custom double
bookcase that is actually a door to a secret room,
and that is done now. It turned out great, but
we've got some other things to finish there reporter to
put pictures up.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
But again, is that Chancey? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I think I think there's so many ways to let
your personality come out with some of those things that
are movable. You know that. You know, we have done
some pretty crazy backsplash tiles or or maybe floor tiles
in a in a in a master bath or something.
You know, that's that's great. There's so many options now
that it's hard not to pick something like that.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
The phrase load bearing and unique, you don't want those
two mixing. But otherwise, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yes, I mean we I mean that would be interesting, right.
We like doing some of that stuff. That's more challenging. Yeah,
if you wanted to do open up a load baring
a wall and do it with you know, maybe some
beams that looked old. It's not that you can't do
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
We rarely see it.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
But uh, we've got a remodel coming up on a
house by the way that that is. Uh, these people
really love their antiquood and there's a lot of it
in there, and it we've got to stay with that style.
So maybe we'll have some of those things coming through
too in the picture.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
It should be exciting. And has mentioned those pictures.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
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(32:06):
obviously you get to walk into a lot of different
houses and a lot of things going, people going, I
don't know what they were thinking. It's always easier to
blame somebody else too, by the way, like it's the
previous owners, but you also run into folks that make
designed and in remodeling, tempt something themselves. I want to
ask you about that is the importance of understanding your

(32:26):
skill level, because I know you get some calls from
folks that maybe they thought they could do something and
they're saying, we can't.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
We need a professional.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
This theme we're going to is like you know, a
lot of times we're remodeling. It's the question is.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Isn't as much what should we do and what should
it look like? It's where should we stop. I look
at one or two jobs a month where one part
of the couple is saying I can handle this, and
the other one is going I don't know. And before
you know it, you're down to studs on your first

(33:06):
floor and your in your this house you bought uh
and uh it's January with no insulation and we need
you need wiring, you need insulation, you drive all you need, design,
you need and it's pretty overwhelming. So and then we
talked about okay, this this is a deal where you

(33:26):
you find you find sort of rooms designed on their own,
like you might have four or five rooms on your
main floor in your in your your ground floor, and
there's not much continuity, like the foreign changes. You can
tell things weren't done at the same time. We even
find in houses that that have different styles of woodwork,

(33:49):
trim and doors based on who was living there at
the time. Maybe they did this room, didn't do the
rest of the house. And so yeah, it can be
very overwhelming and what how can you The budget is
always the consideration, like we if we're going to do
their model. Lots of homwers will say, Okay, is there
a way we can save money? Can we do demo?

(34:09):
So well, okay, if you're if you're in a kitchen,
our guys can. We'll demo that kitchen in about half
a day. And that means dead ending a bunch of
electricity that's coming in there, closing off the plumbing so
that the rest of your house still works.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Now, if there's a if there's a tile floor that's
that's there, and you want to rip that bad boy up,
please go for it.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
It is not a fun job. We will let you
do that. And that joke a lot, but that that
really is a tough job, and it is.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
It doesn't happen for free. Once in a while we
get a homewer that wants to do it, and and
I think that might be remolding because it really is
a torturous job. We do get by that same token,
we get homers that go, you know what we're we're
we're sort of maxed out. Can we can we paint
or can we paint the trim? When we paint your trim,

(35:03):
your you're probably not going to see a nail hole.
It's gonna have just perfectly perfect lines.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
That's how we do it.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
We have really skilled people. It does cost money, so
it can be a pretty big savings and homers, No,
it's it's pretty hard to match that. How do you
match levels with with somebody that's been doing it for
their whole life right and built their skill set.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
But there are ways to save some dollars. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
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EDGE Construction online, Edge Construction Company dot com all one
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eight six three six three three four three that number
six three six Edge talking this week about remodeling regrets,
and I'm just looking, I'm just kind of paging through.
I like looking at the pictures and I'm seeing in
one of these pictures some brickwork and it also and

(36:09):
I'm a masonry I'm gonna guess this was probably done after.
But one of the things I feel like sometimes with
regret is people we were talking about floors earlier, covering
up beautiful wood floors. I also see people in older
houses that will have like some really nice stonework other
things and they either you know, like the fireplace, they

(36:30):
they've tiled over it or painted over it or walled
over it. Sometimes you find those those things, You're like, ooh,
this is a good thing. And I know we've talked
specifically with flooring. You'll uncover folks will we'll talk about
maybe we want to go to wood floors. You guys
will find that that, yes, there's a good wood floor
under there. Unfortunately, one of the previous somewheres cut areas

(36:51):
out or it's the other thing. But there are there
are areas for preserving what's already there, aren't there.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, And some of that stuff is hard to ahead
of time.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
We've got a.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Large amount going down on downtown on Dayton Street. I
think it was like so many of those houses down there,
big old houses were split in half for college housing,
and so you had it, you know, the upstairs, downstairs,
and then and then the maintenance stopped like whenever that
was in the seventies, like then they never fixed anything
after this, So like this one was downtown apartment predictable disaster.

(37:26):
But it's going to be a beautiful house when we're
done with it. And when we were doing our walk
through before we're going to start, we got to the
area there's a fireplace and it's plaster everywhere around it,
and they had a kind of a cool old mantle
built into it. And Heather says, our Heather's leads up

(37:48):
our design apartment, and she's kind of the brains behind
all the beautiful pictures. Says, Okay, we're going to open
up this chimney and we're really hoping we find something
cool behind there. What if we don't, we got to
you know, make it look good anyways, but this one
we are uncovering. So when you're talking, I'm thinking, like
everything old becomes new again. Like at some point in

(38:10):
time somebody went a brick is you know, I don't
like to look at that. I just want smooth white
wall there and uh and so now when we find it,
it adds that one hundred year old plus brick adds
a lot of personality.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
In this space.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
And we're you know, we're we're able to sort of
bring that back in the right way, hopefully.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Talking this morning with Mike two Egg, owner of Edge
Construction online Edge Construction Company dot com. That's Edge Construction
Company dot com com.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Great data.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Start that conversation at Edge Construction telef number six So
eight six three six three three four three that number
six three six Edge Mike, just real quick before we
wrap up this week, just talking about the website and
of course how is what a great resource that is
for folks. And I know, as we're talking about about
the plannings and the importance of having that getting that

(38:57):
design done, it's never a bad time to start thinking.
It's always fun just to start looking at some of
the work that you guys do at edge construction. It
spurs a lot of ideas, doesn't it It does.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
You know, And I think we have houses my that's
my flavor.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I know.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
You know there's pinterest in Facebook and Instagram. I have
some friends that are like, hey, you haven't posted on
Instagram for all, But I don't do that. When I'm looking,
I like to go to house because it just always
seems like I can find what I'm looking for. We
have I think we have over one hundred and eighty
projects on hows. We have reviews on hows. You can

(39:32):
see what it's like to work with us, and you
can the way you can once you have a house account,
which doesn't crust anything.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
It's h o u z z.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
By the way you can kind of search, you can
find that picture in your head. I always say like, okay, MySpace,
I just have to look and search right, and I
can find and see what other people have done with
these types of spaces.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
And it's very cool that way.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I don't know how many millions of pictures contractors that
have put on and the library that's on there, that
that you're able to draw from is amazing. And it
started off it was it was there were people were
just showing like ten foot high ceilings and these ten
million dollar houses. It is, it is morph now it's
changed and there's a real big section of normal on there.

(40:20):
And so it's been really helpful for design in general.
And I think you make better choices when you can
see see the pictures and visualize.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
It's a thing when you mentioned, yeah, you know that
everything looks good in a in a ten million dollars,
but it is a thing when you see kind of
living working in that real world. And I know not
only as how's the United States global and so there's
there's you can just look at things from all over
the world and get some really good ideas. If you've
got those ideas, great day to pick a phone game

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