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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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is Mike two Egg, owner of Edge Construction. Mike, how
you doing this.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Week, Racheon, It's good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Good, always great, great to spend time and and get
caught up on all cool things going on in the
world of construction. We're going to talk kitchen remodeling this week,
but real quick, before we get to get to our
specific conversation about kitchens, we were just talking about comforts
and you know, we think a lot about as you know,
as you spend your your years working hard and you know,
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raising kids and putting them through college. For a lot
of us, we kind of reached that point where and
I know we've done shows on additions and whole home builds,
but there's also folks that say, you know what we've now,
We've got the we've got more time to spend in
the house, we've got more resources that we've that we've
acquired doing like some some of these remodeling projects. For
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a lot of people, it's it correct me, I wrong,
some of the some of the the trigger may just
be because we want it, you know. I always think
so like logically, like, well, you do it because it
needs to be done on some level for some folks,
and it's a great position to be. And you do
these projects because you'll want them, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean I think you you know, if you're at
a point you can swing it. And I mean just
think of what our economy would do if people only
bought the things they only.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Needed, right Oh yeah, right, yeah, I suppose.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
There's something to that, you know, Like I've got a
friend that just bought a car. Yeah, and it's not okay,
it's the car you buy when you're twenty is much
different than the car you can buy when we were
a little bit older and you're a little more established
in your career. Maybe you got kids now and you
got blah blah blah, But do you really need could
you survive without heated seats anymore?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Sean, I don't know. Someone.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
For me, the big one is the steering wheels, Like
I just I can't even fathom grabbing a cold steer.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's like having grabbing that exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But so we do. But so for like a lot
of folks, and I'm going to guess the type of
work that you guys do at edge construction as well,
there are a lot of folks that are saying, you
know what, this is my dream.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Like I'm a baker.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I'm like, as we kind of tied to like this,
say this is what I've always wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, I think there's a bunch of stuff at play,
because you know, we've had a few homeowners say lately,
like you know, either they saw our work, you know,
friends or relatives or acquaintances, or you know they're looking
online at things you get out you mentioned howse that's
a great place to go in to let your fingers
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do the walking. They sat realize it could be that nice,
you know, like like I will blame uh, you know,
just can't help it. Pick on the builders a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You know that new construction process is so fast. Anybody
that's been through that, it's like the whole thing is
set up to get you into action fast. And I
understand it, Like there needs to be a process there.
There's a lot of houses that have to get Builton
Dane County every year. And because there's I don't know
why people want to keep moving here and now I do.
It's really nice here yet, but they need someplace to live.
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And you generally builders aren't that system is not spending
six months in design or four months in design. You know,
it's like okay, we pick a plan out, we we
pick a kitchen out, we maybe think about modifying a
few things, and now we pick up the finishes all
that stuff you can see and uh boom boom, and
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now we're because it's this race to get contract.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And Doug and.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I always think remodeling, you know, we do a homework
sets the time period. So like they've been a lot
a lot of people have been through this process.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You know where they're going. Oh, I wish I'd have
done something different.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And so the if you let that design process follow
its course, all the product can't help it be better, right,
And so that's where I think. You know, I even
like going on housing and uh, you know, if I
have a picture in my head, I'm like, oh this,
we need to find something.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
For this house. It's a great resource.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And you mentioned Pinterest and there are some other things too,
but yeah, I I'm rambling here, but we had we
looked at a job a couple of weeks ago, a
house that needs a remodel. And this is a beautiful
house where everything is kind of been updated from the
early nineties the house was except the kitchen. And now
you've got this house that's a good size. It's not
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like a small house, maybe a few thousand feet to story.
But the kitchen is a side of the times, like
all the kitchens look the same back then. But it
sort of doesn't fit the house now, you know. It's
it's it's a little small and it's sort of like
the breakfast bar in two shape.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It's closed off. It's like, come on, we got to
do better than this.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I remember breakfast bars when I was a kid, like
those were I seemed like a real cool thing. But
form and function don't always come together with those breakfast bars.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, I think like it was the stepping stone the
peninsula and the breakfast bar where you know, we had
to get to where we designed houses that were more
open to islands, you know, because that's where people want
to be and they want to they dont want to
be shut off in there, you know, by the way,
a little side, little little lot of carpenter trivia. We
always hated building the breakfast bars. Yeah, it was, yeah,
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because there's a lot of things to line up right.
You've got, like, if you did it perfectly right, you've
got canvas on one side, seating on the other, and
then the the this wall goes up, you know, taller
than the countertop. But if you didn't get exactly right,
then it left a little space in between the backsplash
and the countertop above, and builders get mad at you,
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and you know, it just was an awkward spot to finish.
And so like we were in love with this island
at it it's much better.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You mentioned too, obviously as builders the the in construction,
you got to love the islands homeowners too. I mean,
it's really obviously a beautiful thing, but also that form
and function. The form is beautiful, but also the function
of an island seems to be really like like the
perfect space for that.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It does because you're gaining valuable workspace, valuable prep space.
So when we're designing, now we're going, okay, we want
to get chunks of countertop, so like at least like
thirty inches. And I say that, you know, knowing that
sometimes we work on a lot of smaller houses downtown
where you know, a two foot peninsula it might be valuable.
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So I don't want to pick on those those too much.
But but yeah, so that island turns into this thing
where it's a great prep space.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
But you also are kind of not facing a wall.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
When you're working in that kitchen if you're cooking. So
now you now you can be facing out towards the
rest of the house, the rest of the family. If
you're the cook and you've got a great spot, you're
not facing a wall and doing you're cooking, which I
that would annoy me if I cooked at all.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But I'm sure my wife, ye all that not much
of a cook.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
But but I think, okay, yeah, let's if we can
get the islands in there. There's almost nobody that says, no,
we don't want an island.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It didn't help to that there's no corners. I think
of like some of those peninsulas and a lot of
things of like there's like it's just feels like there's
that wasted void back in the corner. I know there
have been quote unquote solutions, but it's still ultimately great.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, great one.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So like the corner cabinets, you know, there was the
you know, I was putting in the kitchens when Lazy
Susan's showed up, right, And I have a sister named
sous so you know you're not gonna say anymore, but
she anyways, the that was kind of the height of
technology in the late eighties. I think that was kind
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of funny. We really felt like we were doing something.
There's also the we call them blind corner cabinets, so
it's like it's like a full cabinet that goes into
that corner and it's just like a shelf that goes
to nowhere, and nobody knows what's back there. We don't
know what's back there. Things end up in there, you know,
might be shove a relative in there if you're sick
of them, or hide some things back in there, I guess.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And then like our.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
There are some now aftermarket products that have made those.
They're made to go into the blind cabinets actually, so
like there. We had one at our house that was
like the I don't know, we always call it the peanut.
It's like a shelf that's shaped kind of Oh yeah,
so go wigglets away back in there.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
My wife's like, well, you can't get really a lot
of stuff on the peanut. I'm like, yeah, but at
least you can see you what's in there.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So yeah, if you if you take away the peninsula,
if you if you go from a peninsula to an island,
or a breakfast bar to an island, you're eliminating one
corner cabinet. And so that is something that we're almost
always trying to do.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Do you have corner cabinets in your kitchen? We do.
You're not in love with them? IU, No, I can't.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Well, you mentioned kind of like there's so like the
lower one, the upper ones very accessible, but like the
lower one, there's the dishwasher right there, so there's like
it's the corner and then a dishwasher, so there is
like a space in that like no man's land that
I don't know what's back there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I have to tear it out.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
They were like one of the splunking the minor helmets
and go because it's just a fast.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's not super useful, right, I mean, but it seems
wasteful to not have something back there.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I have seen Christina gets in there with the long
vacuum thing and I'll see her like going around and
I don't again, well dust gets but anyway, it is
that with that island too. Is one of the things
and for folks that have a chance check out Edge
Construction Company dot com or even your house page. One
of the things that I think is really cool about
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the work that you guys do at Edge Construction with
islands specifically, is it seems like such a simple thing,
but you guys are able to and I think it's
probably goes to the designers a lot is make each
of them unique to that kitchen space that it's not
like this is what the island looks like and all
of the they all kind of have their own obviously
to fit the space. But they all there's there's some
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design that goes into each of them.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
There is, and that is a spot where I've noticed
the designers and homeowners will you know, let their light
shine a little bit like we've done some very I
call them island backs or sides where we sort of
make it look like furniture more like furniture less like cabinets.
There's nothing wrong with you know, the probably majority of
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them are I don't want to complain, Jane, but they're
you know, panel apply with panel staying to match the
cabinets or paying to match the cabinets, and then we
we we finished that out. Maybe we do corbols to
hold up countertop or for extending the countertop. We do
actually like a noole post like almost a stair noodle
post propping that can be a design element. We've we've
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done a couple of times in the last few years.
It should be on our website or house where we
actually built a bench seat on the back side of
and so the right kind of house, you know, or
there's just no dining space, and we had a couple
of those, I know, we're okay, it was just the
way the house was designed. We couldn't open up a wall,
we couldn't make another space, and that was the that
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was how got the trick done. And that was that
was fun and cool and you know, like are people
love to do something that's uh, that's a little bit
more unusual. I think that's that's fun too.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
All things like like are these at the kind of
like the ends, do you like spice racks or shelving
or like maybe a nice kind of little display. Is
that kind of what we're thinking of?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Or you know I always think like if it was me,
I'd put the cookbooks down there, like you can do
shelves down there. Uh, some people have done you know,
like above fridge or or pretty much anything or just
a cabinet that's accessible from the other side. We've also
done We've also quite a few times, if space warrants it,
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like some some people want a massive island, a really
nice white island, we've actually taken upper cabinets and mounted
them basically to the backside of the lower cabinets, so
it sort of extends. And you got some some stories
you have to get down on your hands and knees
to get to you but you know, there's there's a
lot of things I've heard in kitchens that you know,
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use every day, you know, like maybe use once a
year or something, or maybe there's your staring special dishes
or you know, something that's that's a little bit more
specialized with.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
The with the islands. As as we're going to talk
and get more into different kitchen features on other things,
but as they're kind of talking islands, things like like
adding sinks and you mentioned beverage and other things, you
guys are able. It's it's I don't want ever want
to use the word it's easy, but it's definitely those
are things that that are are something that that are
commonly done and you guys can definitely make happen at
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edge construction, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
So in most houses where we get an island, one
of the major elements has to go in there, like
a sink or stove or cooked top or something. The
best thing out of those three to get in there
is probably the sink because when you're trying to get
something that you know, a store over a cook top
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in there. Now you've got venting issues. You know, like
a lot of people don't like having a great, big
event hang down, which would do the best job of venting.
We've done some workarounds where we'll put a put a
grade up there in the ceiling that's like a it
almost looks like anything from an old school furnace vent
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cover in a in a you know, one hundred year
old house to something more modern we can mount. We've
mounted the fan mechanism on the outside of the house
or up in the floor system, or you know, there's
a lot of there's a lot of workarounds for it
probably weren't good enough on like a gas stove because
it got a gas stof you want your venting down low,
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or it can can really draft, you know, and you
don't want to basically like have an open fire in
your house that isn't vented out. But everything else it
seems to work pretty well.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I was watching a show on Netflix about tiny airbnbs
and the kid that was it was a young guy.
He was probably in his twenties, and he was just
kind of checking out some of these and the one
that he visited the one that I remember visiting because
I know you've talked about these fans in the past,
and he was obsessed with him where these these counter
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higher whatever they're those are.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Called and downdraft.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yes, And he was like he's like taking matches and
he's like lighting them and just watching the flame get
pulled towards and he's like, this is just amazing. There's
I was, And I know you've talked about him and
uh and and talked positively about the benefits. I was
amazed at, like how much in that in his little thing.
They clearly were pulling air. I mean, those things were
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they That's another one where Jen air A remember the
jen air stuff. They were the first ones to do
that that I know about.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Anyways, now you pretty much all the manufacturers off that
offer that. Generally, what we're doing with a down draft
is is not having the fan mounted like on the stove,
because just the noise of it, you know, is something
that we can we can take advantage of that and
get it down in into a basement space, so we
sort of separate the fan mechanism from the from the
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piping from the draft liting, and so that can work
pretty cool. You know, There's a lot of times people
don't realize that even when you've got a hood that's
that the the the HVAC plumbing is going from that
hood outside. Right, There's a lot of times we turn
that actually go down in the basement and take it
out anyways.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So it's there's just I think it's it.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Doesn't come up that often for us, like like I
would think it would, And I think it's just because
there's there's the manufacturers of the stoves and cook tops
don't offer a ton of options with that include the downdrafting.
But yeah, it's got some it does have a lot
of merit, right.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
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edge Construction Company dot com. Talking this week with Mike
two Wig about kitchens, and we were talking about islands
earlier and you mentioned the sinks are the most common
addition to to an island or kind of where they're
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often placed as far as one of the things you're
going to put in there. One of the cool things too.
I think with center islands and having a sink there
is there's never a sink when you need one, And
there's like if it's on the island, no matter where
you are around that island, there's a sink when you
need one, isn't there.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I think it's a good thing to sort of centrally locate,
you know. Yeah, I mean where's the traditional spot. If
you've got a window in your kitchen, which most people do,
that would be the spot for the sake. I think
the idea was, I don't know, you could be at
the sink and be looking outside and.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, there is keeping an eye on what's happening out there.
And obviously we do still see a lot of sinks
on that outside outside wall and that window. I've noticed
one of the trends as well as this, I love
one removing those cabinets on that wall, those those upper cabinets,
but also then putting a nice window in there. Like
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those windows that and some of those older homes are
very small and very kind of depressing. The new windows are.
They look great.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
It's really kind of funny if you look back and
at the era, the eras of housing and what things
kind of got fixed at what time, you know, like
the kitchen window stayed small, like you know, I'm talking
like thirty inches wide or three feet wide, and maybe
my grandm would be going, if she was alive, would
be going, you're.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
A three foot wide window, blessing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
But now I would say probably maybe not quite half
the projects we do, we're putting a bigger window in
which which says a lot about people nowadays, like I like,
so they're willing. So that was a really utilitarian time
right up until maybe the two thousands, even the nineties
were still like that where we tried to basically if
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you designed a kitchen, you were getting cabinets. You want
to fill the whole space with cabinets, Like you go
right up to the window, and now people seem to
be willing to give up a little bit of that
storage for a better feel, and then even even go
further put the bigger window in. I might even go
further and take some of those upper cabinets down and
put open shelves up. And I think I'm imagining that.
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You know, when when when you look at what people
are storing in the kitchen as you're making all those steps,
it's just getting it's getting paired down right, like you're
maybe there's a lot of stuff you don't need. Maybe
there's a lot of things that you just were impulse buys.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I would probably be like that, if this looks really good,
I think I need one of those. Yeah, And I
know you're a little you're a little victim to that yourself. Yeah,
you got to think about, like what is all this
stuff in your kitchen? Do we really use all this stuff?
If says okay, we should all be going into each
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other's houses and going really why.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
She may have a TV show right there that would be.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
You can't do it for yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
By the way you talk about some of the stuff too,
really making the space feel bigger too. That was to
me like that when I started to see and it
hasn't been all that long where folks are removing some
of those upper cabinets, especially on like that that window wall,
it really makes that kitchen area seem a whole lot
more expansive.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It changes everything because you go from that almost like
you're in a cave type thing.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Too. Okay, now.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
It's still got to serve the purpose, right, It's still
got to be a I don't want people to get
the impression Okay, we want to strip out all their storage.
I mean, that's your decision, but I think there can
be there should be some kind of middle ground there
between having out storage and also you want this to
be a very welcoming space. I mean, people spend a
lot of time in that room, and when people come
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to visit that, they spend a lot of time in
that room. Kids spend a lot of time in that room.
So you want to do things, you know. Plus with
the advent of opening up houses, right, so now now
this kitchen is much more accessible to the rest of
the house. I've had this saying for years where I say,
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you know, internally, I say, every time we do a kitchen,
we're getting that space to join the rest of the house.
And even twenty year old kitchens are more closed off
than what we do now, right, So so you're gonna
do things and as you open that up, it really
needs to become less utilitarian and more attractive because you
wanted to fit you know, your with your beautiful great
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room or or your entrance or whatever else is it
is accessible from that kitchen.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So yeah, you know it, it's interesting when you mention
that because it needs to be closed off if it
didn't look great and nobody's gonna see it anyway, and
that's all I would has has CAD helped with this,
and I because I going back to, you know, removing
things like cabinets or moving some things around, is it
used to seem like a really bold step, and now
being able to actually see what what it'll look like,
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but also see from like eye level, how this space
is going to feel. I've got a guess having some
of those computer renderings for a lot of homeowners, especially
early on, early on as we were moving towards some
of these some of these changes put them at ease
to be like, oh, yeah, I will have plenty of space.
It will look really like like to me, when you're
just looking at like blueprints, it's like, I don't know,
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whereas those those pretty pictures, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, it was that was you know, I mean I
started off building houses from blueprints obviously, I remember, you know,
my brain would was working in that system now, but
I was. I saw some last week and I'm like,
how did anybody ever build a house off of this?
It just kind of looks like chicken scratching and for
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a homeowner, like, I don't know how they had any
kind of view about what this was going to turn
out to be. So yeah, to me, CAD there's two
really big pluses for for the CAD programs that can
use in the computer to design the renderings for a homeowner.
I think increasingly and rightly so as there are different designs, right,
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we're not we don't want every house to look the same,
So then it becomes a little tougher to envision a
new design unless you've got the CAD renderings, you know.
And I play a little game where a lot of times.
I'll go back when we finish a project and go, okay,
show me the last renderings, and it is amazing how
close you know, if you were looking at those renderings
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without a without anything done in that house, you would
have a pretty you do have a ninety percent view
of what this was going to look like. You know,
there's still a feel aspect, you know, like that you
can't get until you're standing in it. And I think
that that that getting over that mountain is just the
experience of remodeling hundreds of houses. I think it's pretty
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helpful on our side because you've just been through this
so many times, where you go, okay, I have a
good idea of what the space is going to feel
like for home, or we don't expect them to know
that right Like they might have a good idea of
what they want it to be like, but knowing how
to get there, I don't know if they can they
have a benchmark for that.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
How long until we see VR image?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
We do we.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Have now it's a little bit cumbersome, and we don't
often do it. We can sort of. We've found it
to be more helpful to sort of take a It's
like you take a walk through the house with your mouse,
like like the designers can do this sort of take
you around the corner and then the room opens up
and you can see the cabinets from different viewpoints and things,
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and so far that has been pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
The VR stuff have you seen.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Is off the track. But there's a company out now.
I think they're only in maybe five cities in the US,
and there's a couple of Midwest ones where they have
a great, big warehouse and they go in with what's
the camera that the three.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Sixty the insta what's that called? I know what you're
talking about, insta insta of.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, yes, they do that, and the CADS software sort
of maps out you map out the house from here
and then they project actually on the floor what what
the changes will be like, so you can sort of
stand in that space and then you you can VR
at two where you're walking. So you're in this warehouse
walking around with these goggles on, and you can get
(26:30):
a really good feel for it, so like, Okay, we
aren't there, I'm not there, Like that is a huge investment,
and you know, but and for most projects, you know,
like like if we were gonna rally your house, there
might be one or two really good options, Like you're
not gonna You're not gonna have twenty different options, and
I think you can get your mind around those those
(26:52):
type of changes. Expand your house by five or ten. Okay,
now there's a lot of different ways to go, and
something like that might be more valuable.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Augmented reality. Is that what we were thinking of?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
You know, we do get what's who's the cute couple
with the ship lap.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Gains and whatever his name is. I don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
They they why not? Anyways?
Speaker 3 (27:17):
They do and a lot of the TV shows do
sort of a very cool it's almost like a VR
walk through the house with that software. And we've had
people ask for that, so I died research on that.
They paid ten thousand dollars to have somebody set that up.
Like there's a lot of background work to getting to
go into that length and so that's why I kind
(27:38):
of it's it's a little tougher for somebody like.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Us to do to go to go all the way there.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Okay, we are getting closer to doing there's some very
cool products out there that we're exploring, and I think
we're close to jumping on some of this. Have you
seen the whiteboards you know that you they're like a
computer screen, but it's like a whiteboard you can draw on.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Madson used my son use them in school.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah. Well they have these that are room side, like
the wall of a room.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
And so in theory you can whatever is on your
computer can be on the screen and you can make
real time changes draw in things. So it'd be very
valuable in the design process to say, okay, like you know,
I don't I just don't know what this is going
to look like. We get homers that say that all
the time. It's like, well, okay, we're going to do
the best we can. So like the point is, I
(28:28):
guess things are moving forward.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
But uh, it's pretty amazing too. You mentioned earlier about
comparing some of the the comparing the the the CAD
designed pictures and images with the finished product, and I
know in the past there have been a couple of
projects featured that way on the website, and it is
it is pretty amazing what the technology that that you
guys have right now available is. To me, it always
(28:52):
it's mind blowing. It's like you can do that and
it's done that.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's weird, Like you're like, we're doing now, We're like,
how could this ever get better?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And you know, hey forward saying that in nineteen ten,
you know, like, I don't know, possibly it is.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
It is just amazing stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Before we get out of this one, just one last
little thing that that other great thing about CAD is
that designers have such an advantage in this because now
all of a sudden they can have this top down
view of things, and once you know the elements that
are going in that room, they get to rearrange on
it and they can get a view of it that
nobody else can get. So it's pretty handy to have that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's pretty amazing stuff. As they talked this morning with
Mike two wag, owner of Edge Construction, I'll be get
a chance cent on over to the website. Do it
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six three six Edge talking kitchen remodeling this week with
Mic of Edge Construction and talking about about some of
the things that folks consider when remodeling their kitchen. And
(30:15):
I think that am I wrong on this? That that
like the biggest thing is it's you know, we started
I start off this week talking about they do it
because you know you want to do it. But also
a lot of this stuff is it's long overdue, Like
like we're seeing kitchens that are just they so much,
so much wear and tear on a kitchen in general,
it's probably time for a lot of these.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, it's it's it's it's mostly people aren't doing this
just willy nilly, Okay. I think I feel like I
want to have a different space here because it is
you know, it's paying the butt, right, You're gonna be
without your kitchen for two or three months for whatever
it is, and and the expense is definitely there. Uh
so you want to be very thoughtful about it. But yeah,
(30:56):
it's there's it's not a it's not a thing taken lightly,
and it tends to those major elements like a master
bath or any bath. And in the kitchen, I would
say usually get put off. So like when there's an
event in the economy, like okay, we've just had this
interest rate thing. I think a lot of a lot
(31:17):
of kitchens get put off, you know, because they're they're
you know, like, well, we don't know what's happening, and
things have been kind of stale, and maybe I'm worried
about my job, and I get it. That all makes sense.
And then all of a sudden, when there's when there's
a little clarity and things start to be looking up,
then then it's like, okay, we better get this done.
(31:39):
But yeah, the the tires on the truck are bald usually,
like you know, things are, and I, you know, I
would be the same way. I mean, the I'm sure
you've seen the paint people painting cabinets, right like that's
been a thing for I'm blaming Martha Stuart, but that
bought people four or five years. In a lot of cases,
A lot of the flippers do it, and I kind
(32:00):
of got it through a little bit or maybe got household,
but eventually, yeah, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta change.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Tires only reach tracks so many times of where you gotta.
I mean you were mentioning earlier too about we were
talking about vents and and something that I stuck out
at the time and I want to come back to
is you had mentioned different different types of events And
the reason why I popped them ahead is like I
think of like if I've got like an old Victorian
(32:26):
home and I want to do a kitchen, ra a model,
I want all the all the the modern luxuries, but
I want to make sure that it doesn't look modern
and these type of things. And I know one of
the things that that you really pride yourself on at
edge construction is respecting the home, and especially those like
historic buildings, really making sure that they're true to true
(32:48):
to their history. People don't have to compromise in those worlds.
You guys have you have the availability of bringing some
modern stuff in and still keeping that that has historic
look and feel.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, that's this is like the best time in construction
because we've got so many options for things like that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You know, if.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
If you if you could be a bird on my
shoulder when I go to the International Biller Show and
see what the innovation that's happening in range hoods or
we're other stuff like Solker tubes or something like that.
You know, like there's just about every style UH as
(33:31):
an option, and you it's made it so much easier.
Even even if okay, there's a lot of times someoneers
will bring us a product that they found online. We'll go, Okay,
we don't have access to that product. And even if
we did, and I don't, I'm not comfortable bringing us
in from another company country and not not there's some
unknowns there about Okay, is it going to keep working?
(33:52):
And what happens when it quits? Is there somebody I
can call? Is there somebody else service it? Let's find
a cop Let's find some thing that's from a manufacturer
that we trust that maybe he's in the country or
or has a has a rep that's close. We can
establish this line of responsibility right with that product.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And so that like.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
That's turned out to be a pretty cool thing because
people can figure out what they like. Right if you
go on house and get down the rabbit hole on rangeows,
I'll talk to you in a week because there's so
many and a lot of a lot of those products
are can be hidden by cabinets that fit the style
of your house, or fronts or different things, or sometimes
we even build stuff to to to make.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Those kind of visually go away.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Right, Yeah, is if there's not enough those millions of
options out there, Michael, do something customer for you mentioned
mentioning cabinets too. I think too about whether it's a
super modern home or I think of like an old
Victorian home. You can have modern, all the great feature,
soft clothes, self close all that stuff and still have
(35:03):
it for you know, if you've got one of those
very ornate kitchens, there's feet, there's options for those. If
you want a very simple, very modern one, there's options
for those. There's a little something everywhere in between, isn't that?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
The so Great Northern is kind of our main turned
into our main supplier there from Northern Wisconsin. The amount
of customization that they offer is it's really fun and
for that type of product, the pricing is really good
because usually if we had that before, we have a
venue here that's close by that can build us pretty
(35:34):
much anything and match finishes and things like that. But boy,
you know, you got to be really motivated to break
up in the checkbook for that level.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
We still people do it.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
There's nothing wrong with that. And sometimes we have to
do it because we're matching something, you know, if we
have to match exactly. Okay, no modern cabinet company is
great at that. But a company like Great Northern can
get us like ninety nine percent of the way there.
You know, I don't know if I'm coming clear on that,
but I I uh some of the some of the
(36:06):
things that may a horn that it may not matter
that much to them, but to us is huge. Like
they offer us we can we can modify a cabinet
size an eighth inch of an eighth inch increments without
extra cost.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Now usually that would be hundreds of dollars per cabinet
from anybody else. And they do it like it's just
not a problem. And it's so helpful for us in
the design especially, you know, like old houses don't fit
the mold, so we've got to have things. We've got
to be able to have some workarounds.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Literally, don't The measurements were a little bit about this long, right, No,
they talked this morning with Mike twog owner of Costruction,
by the way, and those like hundreds some of year
old homes are cabinets like depths and things standard size
at least are not the ones that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Were taken out.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
No, yeah, and so it would be very rare for
somebody to go like like there's houses downtown that we've
taken out eighteen inch deep cabinets.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Well, nobody wants to.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
So we're gonna we're gonna work in that design and
make sure you know, the standard two foot wide, two
foot depth cabinet fits in. But we we also will
modify if we can get an island in but we
don't have trade off space, we might narrow up the
width of the cabinets there so that it looks right,
so it's a little shallower, but now we can get
that island in there. And they offer us all that
(37:24):
plus all the different looks, like every every look you
could imagine.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
That is fantastic. As we talked this morning with Mike
two Weig, owner of Edge Construction, the website edge Construction
Company dot com. That's all one word Edge Construction Company
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If you've got a beautiful kitchen, you're gonna want to
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this week about kitchen remodeling, kitchen projects. And uh, I
know we've if folks want to go back and listen,
I know we've done shows. It's been a while, but
we've done I think, complete shows on lighting in particular,
and a lot of those shows focused specifically on kitchen lighting.
And I know for a lot of a lot of
folks obviously it's lighting is one of those things where
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if you don't have it, you know it, and if
you have it, you maybe take it for granted. There's
a real science though to the lighting of a kitchen,
isn't there.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Well, I think the challenge is like maybe not relying
too much on one thing. So I had the provision.
It kind of embarrassed me a little bit. It's a
house we built, I don't know, a dozen years ago
and by standards does not have enough light. And when
you turn lights on, it's all coming from a couple
(39:04):
of a couple of service mount fixtures. And I'm like, boy,
this is much different than what we do now where
we sort of layered lighting and so our our when
we look at the kitchen, I mean from the first
go around, we're we're we're doing all that stuff because
like n of the people pick out those things. So
from under cabinet lights to our main sources background lighting
(39:28):
is a led camp can Light's not really a can light,
but they sort of.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Look like that.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
It's much much softer, a little more indirect, and you
can you can pick your flavor on how you want that,
the tone of that light, you know, and so and
then maybe maybe a service mount something decorative. We're relying
less and less on. They aren't the workhorses of the
of the kitchen especially anymore like where they're doing a
(39:55):
lot of work. You notice see fixtures that are that
are hanging over an island or square whatever. Our you know,
the lights kind of the cafe, it's more for looks
for you know, the horse power with that.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I think we all probably remember though back in the
day with like you go and literally you turn onto
the kitchen light where there's like that one fixture in
the middle, and it was like that come a long
way on it.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
No, we had.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
And it is and and two as we talk about
lighting with the kitchens, that's like the lighting package with
that that standard with that's just that comes with with
the project.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I feel like we have it down so much that
people don't even usually have to add to it. It's
it's just the basic, Our normal, basic package does the job.
And you know, the LED stuff has gotten so much better,
the product's gotten so much better that I think I
appreciate not having to change bald. Yeah, that's like a
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it's like a thing of the past.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Remember when that was the thing? I wonder you got
to ask that. I'll ask Mats. You have to have
to ask the kids. And you guys know what a
chain slightly like what such an unheard of, unheard of thing.
As we talk kitchens this morning too, you mentioned CAD
and just real quick. We were talking earlier about CAD,
but tie that in with lighting. Lighting is part of
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and that's a big thing in CAT is you can
actually see how the room will be. It is.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's really fun because our plans, uh you know, we
have an electrical plan. It's done by the software obviously
that does the CADS. So when we do when we
design that, our designers will draw in the lighting package
and where the windows are. And when you're when you're
when you're putting together the rendering, you actually put in
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what you know.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Time of year.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
It is what date you know, so October something first
or whatever, and then you uh, what time of day? Okay,
how about noon and uh and then you can turn
the lights on and off or you can dim them
and so you the the rendering actually shows the effect
of the light, you know, or you can show the
effects of a bigger window.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
That is you know how good?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That is very cool. That is amazing stuff they can
do with Edge Construction. Great day to start that conversation.
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is Mike two Egg, owner of Edge Construction. Mike, how
you doing this.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Week, Racheon, It's good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Good, always great, great to spend time and and get
caught up on all cool things going on in the
world of construction. We're going to talk kitchen remodeling this week,
but real quick, before we get to get to our
specific conversation about kitchens, we were just talking about comforts
and you know, we think a lot about as you know,
as you spend your your years working hard and you know,
(01:02):
raising kids and putting them through college. For a lot
of us, we kind of reached that point where and
I know we've done shows on additions and whole home builds,
but there's also folks that say, you know what we've now,
We've got the we've got more time to spend in
the house, we've got more resources that we've that we've
acquired doing like some some of these remodeling projects. For
(01:23):
a lot of people, it's it correct me, I wrong,
some of the some of the the trigger may just
be because we want it, you know. I always think
so like logically, like, well, you do it because it
needs to be done on some level for some folks,
and it's a great position to be. And you do
these projects because you'll want them, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean I think you you know, if you're at
a point you can swing it. And I mean just
think of what our economy would do if people only
bought the things they only.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Needed, right Oh yeah, right, yeah, I suppose.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
There's something to that, you know, Like I've got a
friend that just bought a car. Yeah, and it's not okay,
it's the car you buy when you're twenty is much
different than the car you can buy when we were
a little bit older and you're a little more established
in your career. Maybe you got kids now and you
got blah blah blah, But do you really need could
you survive without heated seats anymore?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Sean, I don't know. Someone.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
For me, the big one is the steering wheels, Like
I just I can't even fathom grabbing a cold steer.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's like having grabbing that exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But so we do. But so for like a lot
of folks, and I'm going to guess the type of
work that you guys do at edge construction as well,
there are a lot of folks that are saying, you
know what, this is my dream.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Like I'm a baker.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I'm like, as we kind of tied to like this,
say this is what I've always wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, I think there's a bunch of stuff at play,
because you know, we've had a few homeowners say lately,
like you know, either they saw our work, you know,
friends or relatives or acquaintances, or you know they're looking
online at things you get out you mentioned howse that's
a great place to go in to let your fingers
(03:01):
do the walking. They sat realize it could be that nice,
you know, like like I will blame uh, you know,
just can't help it. Pick on the builders a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You know that new construction process is so fast. Anybody
that's been through that, it's like the whole thing is
set up to get you into action fast. And I
understand it, Like there needs to be a process there.
There's a lot of houses that have to get Builton
Dane County every year. And because there's I don't know
why people want to keep moving here and now I do.
It's really nice here yet, but they need someplace to live.
(03:35):
And you generally builders aren't that system is not spending
six months in design or four months in design. You know,
it's like okay, we pick a plan out, we we
pick a kitchen out, we maybe think about modifying a
few things, and now we pick up the finishes all
that stuff you can see and uh boom boom, and
(03:58):
now we're because it's this race to get contract.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And Doug and.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I always think remodeling, you know, we do a homework
sets the time period. So like they've been a lot
a lot of people have been through this process.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You know where they're going. Oh, I wish I'd have
done something different.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And so the if you let that design process follow
its course, all the product can't help it be better, right,
And so that's where I think. You know, I even
like going on housing and uh, you know, if I
have a picture in my head, I'm like, oh this,
we need to find something.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
For this house. It's a great resource.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And you mentioned Pinterest and there are some other things too,
but yeah, I I'm rambling here, but we had we
looked at a job a couple of weeks ago, a
house that needs a remodel. And this is a beautiful
house where everything is kind of been updated from the
early nineties the house was except the kitchen. And now
you've got this house that's a good size. It's not
(04:58):
like a small house, maybe a few thousand feet to story.
But the kitchen is a side of the times, like
all the kitchens look the same back then. But it
sort of doesn't fit the house now, you know. It's
it's it's a little small and it's sort of like
the breakfast bar in two shape.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It's closed off. It's like, come on, we got to
do better than this.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I remember breakfast bars when I was a kid, like
those were I seemed like a real cool thing. But
form and function don't always come together with those breakfast bars.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, I think like it was the stepping stone the
peninsula and the breakfast bar where you know, we had
to get to where we designed houses that were more
open to islands, you know, because that's where people want
to be and they want to they dont want to
be shut off in there, you know, by the way,
a little side, little little lot of carpenter trivia. We
always hated building the breakfast bars. Yeah, it was, yeah,
(05:50):
because there's a lot of things to line up right.
You've got, like, if you did it perfectly right, you've
got canvas on one side, seating on the other, and
then the the this wall goes up, you know, taller
than the countertop. But if you didn't get exactly right,
then it left a little space in between the backsplash
and the countertop above, and builders get mad at you,
(06:13):
and you know, it just was an awkward spot to finish.
And so like we were in love with this island
at it it's much better.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You mentioned too, obviously as builders the the in construction,
you got to love the islands homeowners too. I mean,
it's really obviously a beautiful thing, but also that form
and function. The form is beautiful, but also the function
of an island seems to be really like like the
perfect space for that.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It does because you're gaining valuable workspace, valuable prep space.
So when we're designing, now we're going, okay, we want
to get chunks of countertop, so like at least like
thirty inches. And I say that, you know, knowing that
sometimes we work on a lot of smaller houses downtown
where you know, a two foot peninsula it might be valuable.
(07:04):
So I don't want to pick on those those too much.
But but yeah, so that island turns into this thing
where it's a great prep space.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
But you also are kind of not facing a wall.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
When you're working in that kitchen if you're cooking. So
now you now you can be facing out towards the
rest of the house, the rest of the family. If
you're the cook and you've got a great spot, you're
not facing a wall and doing you're cooking, which I
that would annoy me if I cooked at all.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But I'm sure my wife, ye all that not much
of a cook.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
But but I think, okay, yeah, let's if we can
get the islands in there. There's almost nobody that says, no,
we don't want an island.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It didn't help to that there's no corners. I think
of like some of those peninsulas and a lot of
things of like there's like it's just feels like there's
that wasted void back in the corner. I know there
have been quote unquote solutions, but it's still ultimately great.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, great one.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So like the corner cabinets, you know, there was the
you know, I was putting in the kitchens when Lazy
Susan's showed up, right, And I have a sister named
sous so you know you're not gonna say anymore, but
she anyways, the that was kind of the height of
technology in the late eighties. I think that was kind
(08:23):
of funny. We really felt like we were doing something.
There's also the we call them blind corner cabinets, so
it's like it's like a full cabinet that goes into
that corner and it's just like a shelf that goes
to nowhere, and nobody knows what's back there. We don't
know what's back there. Things end up in there, you know,
might be shove a relative in there if you're sick
of them, or hide some things back in there, I guess.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And then like our.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
There are some now aftermarket products that have made those.
They're made to go into the blind cabinets actually, so
like there. We had one at our house that was
like the I don't know, we always call it the peanut.
It's like a shelf that's shaped kind of Oh yeah,
so go wigglets away back in there.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
My wife's like, well, you can't get really a lot
of stuff on the peanut. I'm like, yeah, but at
least you can see you what's in there.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So yeah, if you if you take away the peninsula,
if you if you go from a peninsula to an island,
or a breakfast bar to an island, you're eliminating one
corner cabinet. And so that is something that we're almost
always trying to do.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Do you have corner cabinets in your kitchen? We do.
You're not in love with them? IU, No, I can't.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Well, you mentioned kind of like there's so like the
lower one, the upper ones very accessible, but like the
lower one, there's the dishwasher right there, so there's like
it's the corner and then a dishwasher, so there is
like a space in that like no man's land that
I don't know what's back there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I have to tear it out.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
They were like one of the splunking the minor helmets
and go because it's just a fast.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's not super useful, right, I mean, but it seems
wasteful to not have something back there.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I have seen Christina gets in there with the long
vacuum thing and I'll see her like going around and
I don't again, well dust gets but anyway, it is
that with that island too. Is one of the things
and for folks that have a chance check out Edge
Construction Company dot com or even your house page. One
of the things that I think is really cool about
(10:27):
the work that you guys do at Edge Construction with
islands specifically, is it seems like such a simple thing,
but you guys are able to and I think it's
probably goes to the designers a lot is make each
of them unique to that kitchen space that it's not
like this is what the island looks like and all
of the they all kind of have their own obviously
to fit the space. But they all there's there's some
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design that goes into each of them.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
There is, and that is a spot where I've noticed
the designers and homeowners will you know, let their light
shine a little bit like we've done some very I
call them island backs or sides where we sort of
make it look like furniture more like furniture less like cabinets.
There's nothing wrong with you know, the probably majority of
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them are I don't want to complain, Jane, but they're
you know, panel apply with panel staying to match the
cabinets or paying to match the cabinets, and then we
we we finished that out. Maybe we do corbols to
hold up countertop or for extending the countertop. We do
actually like a noole post like almost a stair noodle
post propping that can be a design element. We've we've
(11:35):
done a couple of times in the last few years.
It should be on our website or house where we
actually built a bench seat on the back side of
and so the right kind of house, you know, or
there's just no dining space, and we had a couple
of those, I know, we're okay, it was just the
way the house was designed. We couldn't open up a wall,
we couldn't make another space, and that was the that
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was how got the trick done. And that was that
was fun and cool and you know, like are people
love to do something that's uh, that's a little bit
more unusual. I think that's that's fun too.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
All things like like are these at the kind of
like the ends, do you like spice racks or shelving
or like maybe a nice kind of little display. Is
that kind of what we're thinking of?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Or you know I always think like if it was me,
I'd put the cookbooks down there, like you can do
shelves down there. Uh, some people have done you know,
like above fridge or or pretty much anything or just
a cabinet that's accessible from the other side. We've also
done We've also quite a few times, if space warrants it,
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like some some people want a massive island, a really
nice white island, we've actually taken upper cabinets and mounted
them basically to the backside of the lower cabinets, so
it sort of extends. And you got some some stories
you have to get down on your hands and knees
to get to you but you know, there's there's a
lot of things I've heard in kitchens that you know,
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use every day, you know, like maybe use once a
year or something, or maybe there's your staring special dishes
or you know, something that's that's a little bit more
specialized with.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
The with the islands. As as we're going to talk
and get more into different kitchen features on other things,
but as they're kind of talking islands, things like like
adding sinks and you mentioned beverage and other things, you
guys are able. It's it's I don't want ever want
to use the word it's easy, but it's definitely those
are things that that are are something that that are
commonly done and you guys can definitely make happen at
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edge construction, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
So in most houses where we get an island, one
of the major elements has to go in there, like
a sink or stove or cooked top or something. The
best thing out of those three to get in there
is probably the sink because when you're trying to get
something that you know, a store over a cook top
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in there. Now you've got venting issues. You know, like
a lot of people don't like having a great, big
event hang down, which would do the best job of venting.
We've done some workarounds where we'll put a put a
grade up there in the ceiling that's like a it
almost looks like anything from an old school furnace vent
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cover in a in a you know, one hundred year
old house to something more modern we can mount. We've
mounted the fan mechanism on the outside of the house
or up in the floor system, or you know, there's
a lot of there's a lot of workarounds for it
probably weren't good enough on like a gas stove because
it got a gas stof you want your venting down low,
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or it can can really draft, you know, and you
don't want to basically like have an open fire in
your house that isn't vented out. But everything else it
seems to work pretty well.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I was watching a show on Netflix about tiny airbnbs
and the kid that was it was a young guy.
He was probably in his twenties, and he was just
kind of checking out some of these and the one
that he visited the one that I remember visiting because
I know you've talked about these fans in the past,
and he was obsessed with him where these these counter
(15:18):
higher whatever they're those are.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Called and downdraft.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yes, And he was like he's like taking matches and
he's like lighting them and just watching the flame get
pulled towards and he's like, this is just amazing. There's
I was, And I know you've talked about him and
uh and and talked positively about the benefits. I was
amazed at, like how much in that in his little thing.
They clearly were pulling air. I mean, those things were
(15:42):
they That's another one where Jen air A remember the
jen air stuff. They were the first ones to do
that that I know about.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Anyways, now you pretty much all the manufacturers off that
offer that. Generally, what we're doing with a down draft
is is not having the fan mounted like on the stove,
because just the noise of it, you know, is something
that we can we can take advantage of that and
get it down in into a basement space, so we
sort of separate the fan mechanism from the from the
(16:15):
piping from the draft liting, and so that can work
pretty cool. You know, There's a lot of times people
don't realize that even when you've got a hood that's
that the the the HVAC plumbing is going from that
hood outside. Right, There's a lot of times we turn
that actually go down in the basement and take it
out anyways.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So it's there's just I think it's it.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Doesn't come up that often for us, like like I
would think it would, And I think it's just because
there's there's the manufacturers of the stoves and cook tops
don't offer a ton of options with that include the downdrafting.
But yeah, it's got some it does have a lot
of merit, right.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's pretty amazing. The stuff that you guys do at
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edge Construction Company dot com. Talking this week with Mike
two Wig about kitchens, and we were talking about islands
earlier and you mentioned the sinks are the most common
addition to to an island or kind of where they're
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often placed as far as one of the things you're
going to put in there. One of the cool things too.
I think with center islands and having a sink there
is there's never a sink when you need one, And
there's like if it's on the island, no matter where
you are around that island, there's a sink when you
need one, isn't there.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I think it's a good thing to sort of centrally locate,
you know. Yeah, I mean where's the traditional spot. If
you've got a window in your kitchen, which most people do,
that would be the spot for the sake. I think
the idea was, I don't know, you could be at
the sink and be looking outside and.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, there is keeping an eye on what's happening out there.
And obviously we do still see a lot of sinks
on that outside outside wall and that window. I've noticed
one of the trends as well as this, I love
one removing those cabinets on that wall, those those upper cabinets,
but also then putting a nice window in there. Like
(18:51):
those windows that and some of those older homes are
very small and very kind of depressing. The new windows are.
They look great.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
It's really kind of funny if you look back and
at the era, the eras of housing and what things
kind of got fixed at what time, you know, like
the kitchen window stayed small, like you know, I'm talking
like thirty inches wide or three feet wide, and maybe
my grandm would be going, if she was alive, would
be going, you're.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
A three foot wide window, blessing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
But now I would say probably maybe not quite half
the projects we do, we're putting a bigger window in
which which says a lot about people nowadays, like I like,
so they're willing. So that was a really utilitarian time
right up until maybe the two thousands, even the nineties
were still like that where we tried to basically if
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you designed a kitchen, you were getting cabinets. You want
to fill the whole space with cabinets, Like you go
right up to the window, and now people seem to
be willing to give up a little bit of that
storage for a better feel, and then even even go
further put the bigger window in. I might even go
further and take some of those upper cabinets down and
put open shelves up. And I think I'm imagining that.
(20:11):
You know, when when when you look at what people
are storing in the kitchen as you're making all those steps,
it's just getting it's getting paired down right, like you're
maybe there's a lot of stuff you don't need. Maybe
there's a lot of things that you just were impulse buys.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I would probably be like that, if this looks really good,
I think I need one of those. Yeah, And I
know you're a little you're a little victim to that yourself. Yeah,
you got to think about, like what is all this
stuff in your kitchen? Do we really use all this stuff?
If says okay, we should all be going into each
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other's houses and going really why.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
She may have a TV show right there that would be.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
You can't do it for yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
By the way you talk about some of the stuff too,
really making the space feel bigger too. That was to
me like that when I started to see and it
hasn't been all that long where folks are removing some
of those upper cabinets, especially on like that that window wall,
it really makes that kitchen area seem a whole lot
more expansive.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It changes everything because you go from that almost like
you're in a cave type thing.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Too. Okay, now.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
It's still got to serve the purpose, right, It's still
got to be a I don't want people to get
the impression Okay, we want to strip out all their storage.
I mean, that's your decision, but I think there can
be there should be some kind of middle ground there
between having out storage and also you want this to
be a very welcoming space. I mean, people spend a
lot of time in that room, and when people come
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to visit that, they spend a lot of time in
that room. Kids spend a lot of time in that room.
So you want to do things, you know. Plus with
the advent of opening up houses, right, so now now
this kitchen is much more accessible to the rest of
the house. I've had this saying for years where I say,
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you know, internally, I say, every time we do a kitchen,
we're getting that space to join the rest of the house.
And even twenty year old kitchens are more closed off
than what we do now, right, So so you're gonna
do things and as you open that up, it really
needs to become less utilitarian and more attractive because you
wanted to fit you know, your with your beautiful great
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room or or your entrance or whatever else is it
is accessible from that kitchen.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So yeah, you know it, it's interesting when you mention
that because it needs to be closed off if it
didn't look great and nobody's gonna see it anyway, and
that's all I would has has CAD helped with this,
and I because I going back to, you know, removing
things like cabinets or moving some things around, is it
used to seem like a really bold step, and now
being able to actually see what what it'll look like,
(23:01):
but also see from like eye level, how this space
is going to feel. I've got a guess having some
of those computer renderings for a lot of homeowners, especially
early on, early on as we were moving towards some
of these some of these changes put them at ease
to be like, oh, yeah, I will have plenty of space.
It will look really like like to me, when you're
just looking at like blueprints, it's like, I don't know,
(23:22):
whereas those those pretty pictures, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, it was that was you know, I mean I
started off building houses from blueprints obviously, I remember, you know,
my brain would was working in that system now, but
I was. I saw some last week and I'm like,
how did anybody ever build a house off of this?
It just kind of looks like chicken scratching and for
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a homeowner, like, I don't know how they had any
kind of view about what this was going to turn
out to be. So yeah, to me, CAD there's two
really big pluses for for the CAD programs that can
use in the computer to design the renderings for a homeowner.
I think increasingly and rightly so as there are different designs, right,
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we're not we don't want every house to look the same,
So then it becomes a little tougher to envision a
new design unless you've got the CAD renderings, you know.
And I play a little game where a lot of times.
I'll go back when we finish a project and go, okay,
show me the last renderings, and it is amazing how
close you know, if you were looking at those renderings
(24:33):
without a without anything done in that house, you would
have a pretty you do have a ninety percent view
of what this was going to look like. You know,
there's still a feel aspect, you know, like that you
can't get until you're standing in it. And I think
that that that getting over that mountain is just the
experience of remodeling hundreds of houses. I think it's pretty
(24:56):
helpful on our side because you've just been through this
so many times, where you go, okay, I have a
good idea of what the space is going to feel
like for home, or we don't expect them to know
that right Like they might have a good idea of
what they want it to be like, but knowing how
to get there, I don't know if they can they
have a benchmark for that.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
How long until we see VR image?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
We do we.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Have now it's a little bit cumbersome, and we don't
often do it. We can sort of. We've found it
to be more helpful to sort of take a It's
like you take a walk through the house with your mouse,
like like the designers can do this sort of take
you around the corner and then the room opens up
and you can see the cabinets from different viewpoints and things,
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and so far that has been pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
The VR stuff have you seen.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Is off the track. But there's a company out now.
I think they're only in maybe five cities in the US,
and there's a couple of Midwest ones where they have
a great, big warehouse and they go in with what's
the camera that the three.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Sixty the insta what's that called? I know what you're
talking about, insta insta of.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, yes, they do that, and the CADS software sort
of maps out you map out the house from here
and then they project actually on the floor what what
the changes will be like, so you can sort of
stand in that space and then you you can VR
at two where you're walking. So you're in this warehouse
walking around with these goggles on, and you can get
(26:30):
a really good feel for it, so like, Okay, we
aren't there, I'm not there, Like that is a huge investment,
and you know, but and for most projects, you know,
like like if we were gonna rally your house, there
might be one or two really good options, Like you're
not gonna You're not gonna have twenty different options, and
I think you can get your mind around those those
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type of changes. Expand your house by five or ten. Okay,
now there's a lot of different ways to go, and
something like that might be more valuable.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Augmented reality. Is that what we were thinking of?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
You know, we do get what's who's the cute couple
with the ship lap.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Gains and whatever his name is. I don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
They they why not? Anyways?
Speaker 3 (27:17):
They do and a lot of the TV shows do
sort of a very cool it's almost like a VR
walk through the house with that software. And we've had
people ask for that, so I died research on that.
They paid ten thousand dollars to have somebody set that up.
Like there's a lot of background work to getting to
go into that length and so that's why I kind
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of it's it's a little tougher for somebody like.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Us to do to go to go all the way there.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Okay, we are getting closer to doing there's some very
cool products out there that we're exploring, and I think
we're close to jumping on some of this. Have you
seen the whiteboards you know that you they're like a
computer screen, but it's like a whiteboard you can draw on.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Madson used my son use them in school.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah. Well they have these that are room side, like
the wall of a room.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
And so in theory you can whatever is on your
computer can be on the screen and you can make
real time changes draw in things. So it'd be very
valuable in the design process to say, okay, like you know,
I don't I just don't know what this is going
to look like. We get homers that say that all
the time. It's like, well, okay, we're going to do
the best we can. So like the point is, I
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guess things are moving forward.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
But uh, it's pretty amazing too. You mentioned earlier about
comparing some of the the comparing the the the CAD
designed pictures and images with the finished product, and I
know in the past there have been a couple of
projects featured that way on the website, and it is
it is pretty amazing what the technology that that you
guys have right now available is. To me, it always
(28:52):
it's mind blowing. It's like you can do that and
it's done that.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's weird, Like you're like, we're doing now, We're like,
how could this ever get better?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And you know, hey forward saying that in nineteen ten,
you know, like, I don't know, possibly it is.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
It is just amazing stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Before we get out of this one, just one last
little thing that that other great thing about CAD is
that designers have such an advantage in this because now
all of a sudden they can have this top down
view of things, and once you know the elements that
are going in that room, they get to rearrange on
it and they can get a view of it that
nobody else can get. So it's pretty handy to have that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's pretty amazing stuff. As they talked this morning with
Mike two wag, owner of Edge Construction, I'll be get
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six three six Edge talking kitchen remodeling this week with
Mic of Edge Construction and talking about about some of
the things that folks consider when remodeling their kitchen. And
(30:15):
I think that am I wrong on this? That that
like the biggest thing is it's you know, we started
I start off this week talking about they do it
because you know you want to do it. But also
a lot of this stuff is it's long overdue, Like
like we're seeing kitchens that are just they so much,
so much wear and tear on a kitchen in general,
it's probably time for a lot of these.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, it's it's it's it's mostly people aren't doing this
just willy nilly, Okay. I think I feel like I
want to have a different space here because it is
you know, it's paying the butt, right, You're gonna be
without your kitchen for two or three months for whatever
it is, and and the expense is definitely there. Uh
so you want to be very thoughtful about it. But yeah,
(30:56):
it's there's it's not a it's not a thing taken lightly,
and it tends to those major elements like a master
bath or any bath. And in the kitchen, I would
say usually get put off. So like when there's an
event in the economy, like okay, we've just had this
interest rate thing. I think a lot of a lot
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of kitchens get put off, you know, because they're they're
you know, like, well, we don't know what's happening, and
things have been kind of stale, and maybe I'm worried
about my job, and I get it. That all makes sense.
And then all of a sudden, when there's when there's
a little clarity and things start to be looking up,
then then it's like, okay, we better get this done.
(31:39):
But yeah, the the tires on the truck are bald usually,
like you know, things are, and I, you know, I
would be the same way. I mean, the I'm sure
you've seen the paint people painting cabinets, right like that's
been a thing for I'm blaming Martha Stuart, but that
bought people four or five years. In a lot of cases,
A lot of the flippers do it, and I kind
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of got it through a little bit or maybe got household,
but eventually, yeah, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta change.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Tires only reach tracks so many times of where you gotta.
I mean you were mentioning earlier too about we were
talking about vents and and something that I stuck out
at the time and I want to come back to
is you had mentioned different different types of events And
the reason why I popped them ahead is like I
think of like if I've got like an old Victorian
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home and I want to do a kitchen, ra a model,
I want all the all the the modern luxuries, but
I want to make sure that it doesn't look modern
and these type of things. And I know one of
the things that that you really pride yourself on at
edge construction is respecting the home, and especially those like
historic buildings, really making sure that they're true to true
(32:48):
to their history. People don't have to compromise in those worlds.
You guys have you have the availability of bringing some
modern stuff in and still keeping that that has historic
look and feel.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, that's this is like the best time in construction
because we've got so many options for things like that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You know, if.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
If you if you could be a bird on my
shoulder when I go to the International Biller Show and
see what the innovation that's happening in range hoods or
we're other stuff like Solker tubes or something like that.
You know, like there's just about every style UH as
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an option, and you it's made it so much easier.
Even even if okay, there's a lot of times someoneers
will bring us a product that they found online. We'll go, Okay,
we don't have access to that product. And even if
we did, and I don't, I'm not comfortable bringing us
in from another company country and not not there's some
unknowns there about Okay, is it going to keep working?
(33:52):
And what happens when it quits? Is there somebody I
can call? Is there somebody else service it? Let's find
a cop Let's find some thing that's from a manufacturer
that we trust that maybe he's in the country or
or has a has a rep that's close. We can
establish this line of responsibility right with that product.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And so that like.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
That's turned out to be a pretty cool thing because
people can figure out what they like. Right if you
go on house and get down the rabbit hole on rangeows,
I'll talk to you in a week because there's so
many and a lot of a lot of those products
are can be hidden by cabinets that fit the style
of your house, or fronts or different things, or sometimes
we even build stuff to to to make.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Those kind of visually go away.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Right, Yeah, is if there's not enough those millions of
options out there, Michael, do something customer for you mentioned
mentioning cabinets too. I think too about whether it's a
super modern home or I think of like an old
Victorian home. You can have modern, all the great feature,
soft clothes, self close all that stuff and still have
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it for you know, if you've got one of those
very ornate kitchens, there's feet, there's options for those. If
you want a very simple, very modern one, there's options
for those. There's a little something everywhere in between, isn't that?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
The so Great Northern is kind of our main turned
into our main supplier there from Northern Wisconsin. The amount
of customization that they offer is it's really fun and
for that type of product, the pricing is really good
because usually if we had that before, we have a
venue here that's close by that can build us pretty
(35:34):
much anything and match finishes and things like that. But boy,
you know, you got to be really motivated to break
up in the checkbook for that level.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
We still people do it.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
There's nothing wrong with that. And sometimes we have to
do it because we're matching something, you know, if we
have to match exactly. Okay, no modern cabinet company is
great at that. But a company like Great Northern can
get us like ninety nine percent of the way there.
You know, I don't know if I'm coming clear on that,
but I I uh some of the some of the
(36:06):
things that may a horn that it may not matter
that much to them, but to us is huge. Like
they offer us we can we can modify a cabinet
size an eighth inch of an eighth inch increments without
extra cost.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Now usually that would be hundreds of dollars per cabinet
from anybody else. And they do it like it's just
not a problem. And it's so helpful for us in
the design especially, you know, like old houses don't fit
the mold, so we've got to have things. We've got
to be able to have some workarounds.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Literally, don't The measurements were a little bit about this long, right, No,
they talked this morning with Mike twog owner of Costruction,
by the way, and those like hundreds some of year
old homes are cabinets like depths and things standard size
at least are not the ones that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Were taken out.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
No, yeah, and so it would be very rare for
somebody to go like like there's houses downtown that we've
taken out eighteen inch deep cabinets.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Well, nobody wants to.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
So we're gonna we're gonna work in that design and
make sure you know, the standard two foot wide, two
foot depth cabinet fits in. But we we also will
modify if we can get an island in but we
don't have trade off space, we might narrow up the
width of the cabinets there so that it looks right,
so it's a little shallower, but now we can get
that island in there. And they offer us all that
(37:24):
plus all the different looks, like every every look you
could imagine.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
That is fantastic. As we talked this morning with Mike
two Weig, owner of Edge Construction, the website edge Construction
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If you've got a beautiful kitchen, you're gonna want to
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(37:48):
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(38:10):
this week about kitchen remodeling, kitchen projects. And uh, I
know we've if folks want to go back and listen,
I know we've done shows. It's been a while, but
we've done I think, complete shows on lighting in particular,
and a lot of those shows focused specifically on kitchen lighting.
And I know for a lot of a lot of
folks obviously it's lighting is one of those things where
(38:34):
if you don't have it, you know it, and if
you have it, you maybe take it for granted. There's
a real science though to the lighting of a kitchen,
isn't there.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Well, I think the challenge is like maybe not relying
too much on one thing. So I had the provision.
It kind of embarrassed me a little bit. It's a
house we built, I don't know, a dozen years ago
and by standards does not have enough light. And when
you turn lights on, it's all coming from a couple
(39:04):
of a couple of service mount fixtures. And I'm like, boy,
this is much different than what we do now where
we sort of layered lighting and so our our when
we look at the kitchen, I mean from the first
go around, we're we're we're doing all that stuff because
like n of the people pick out those things. So
from under cabinet lights to our main sources background lighting
(39:28):
is a led camp can Light's not really a can light,
but they sort of.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Look like that.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
It's much much softer, a little more indirect, and you
can you can pick your flavor on how you want that,
the tone of that light, you know, and so and
then maybe maybe a service mount something decorative. We're relying
less and less on. They aren't the workhorses of the
of the kitchen especially anymore like where they're doing a
(39:55):
lot of work. You notice see fixtures that are that
are hanging over an island or square whatever. Our you know,
the lights kind of the cafe, it's more for looks
for you know, the horse power with that.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I think we all probably remember though back in the
day with like you go and literally you turn onto
the kitchen light where there's like that one fixture in
the middle, and it was like that come a long
way on it.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
No, we had.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
And it is and and two as we talk about
lighting with the kitchens, that's like the lighting package with
that that standard with that's just that comes with with
the project.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I feel like we have it down so much that
people don't even usually have to add to it. It's
it's just the basic, Our normal, basic package does the job.
And you know, the LED stuff has gotten so much better,
the product's gotten so much better that I think I
appreciate not having to change bald. Yeah, that's like a
(40:54):
it's like a thing of the past.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Remember when that was the thing? I wonder you got
to ask that. I'll ask Mats. You have to have
to ask the kids. And you guys know what a
chain slightly like what such an unheard of, unheard of thing.
As we talk kitchens this morning too, you mentioned CAD
and just real quick. We were talking earlier about CAD,
but tie that in with lighting. Lighting is part of
(41:16):
and that's a big thing in CAT is you can
actually see how the room will be. It is.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's really fun because our plans, uh you know, we
have an electrical plan. It's done by the software obviously
that does the CADS. So when we do when we
design that, our designers will draw in the lighting package
and where the windows are. And when you're when you're
when you're putting together the rendering, you actually put in
(41:40):
what you know.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Time of year.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
It is what date you know, so October something first
or whatever, and then you uh, what time of day? Okay,
how about noon and uh and then you can turn
the lights on and off or you can dim them
and so you the the rendering actually shows the effect
of the light, you know, or you can show the
effects of a bigger window.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
That is you know how good?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That is very cool. That is amazing stuff they can
do with Edge Construction. Great day to start that conversation.
Pick up phone game call six so eight six three
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