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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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morning from Edge Construction. Mister Mike two week Mike, how
you do it? Man graat Sean. It's a good thing,
A good thing that I feel like you and I
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could could talk about everything in the way.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I just can't put it on air. No, No, probably not.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's a good thing that the show has a solid
start time, or I think you and I would would
just would just talk.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's it's good.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
By the way, though, as we talked this week, we'reen.
We're talking about whole floor and whole home remodeling, and
I think one of the good things that comes out
of our conversations is you had said something that I
don't think we've ever really explored, which is like with
a kitchen remodel specifically, you had said kind of off handedly,
it often kind of turns into a you know, like
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almost like a whole floor remodel is like people these
days when they're doing like the kitchen for examples, are
oftentimes at ed's construction, bringing another spaces. There's some economy there,
there's some other great benefits. But people are are really
kind of expanding that reach of that area, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, And I think it's a really healthy thing. Right.
Sometimes that kitchener model in the past has been in
sort of a stop gap, Like the tires on the
truck are bald, so you've got to replace some Let's
get that kitchen down and then we'll kind of worry
about all that other stuff later. And I think some
of it is related to just the you know, the
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county shows on TV, or the flip shows or the
you know, we're going to get this done quick kind
of thing. And you know, it's I think that for
a homeowner, it's really attractive to start looking at that
whole you know called the common areas. Uh, those are
areas where the friends and relativesy. Right, it's your great room, entrance,
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maybe a bathroom, the kitchen is certainly those areas that
are real visible from when you have friends and relatives over.
It's really nice to start thinking about those and have
some continuity there versus like, uh, you know, we can
we still are. I don't know. I think for the
rest of my career, I'm gonna be dealing with the
aftermath of the flips, you know, where we come in
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and do just to We buy a house, sound the cheap,
do enough to, you know, maybe throw a little flooring down,
Maybe we get some cheap cabinets, Maybe we you know whatever,
kind of polish up the pig a little bit, and
then we sell it for fifty grand more than we
bought it for. And that was a lot of I
wish I knew what percentage of houses went through this,
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because it seems like maybe a quarter of them. I
don't know if that's a fair figure in just the
medicine areas, and I think it was even worse in
bigger cities. But when I talk about that continuity word,
that's the opposite of the flip thing. Right there, we're
just putting and aids on stuff. You'll see the the
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flooring might be three different floor types of floor on
that first floor. And in those common areas. It got
the job done for a time. But when you're approaching
design that way, are you really putting in a good
products or you really put in things that are going
to last and using good design chops. You know, I'm
gonna guess new like doing a bench construction.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
One of the things too, I think about is like,
you know, I think about, for example, a kitchen and
how much goes into design and planning and that area is.
I also then think about some of the rooms adjacent
to typically thinking maybe a dining room or you know,
you mentioned like family living space, those type of things.
Those rooms are a little less complex thing. You know,
there's there's not a sink, and there's not these other
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you know, there's not high voltage, wattage appliances, and it's
generally kind of simpler. And it seems to me like
if you're going to do that kitchen room model, kind
of modifying the flow and kind of working at you know,
bringing in it a kind of modern standards would be
just like the perfect pairing is like we're doing this
this bigger project, why not tack onto a little smaller
modification that can show some great dividends. It's just as
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far as overall flow of the space. Yeah, And that
kind of brings up another.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Point is like home owners, we go through this and
we go through this with them where it's like, okay,
where do we stop right? Sure? Yeah, because if pennies
fell from heaven, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna fix this
whole thing. But you know, you gotta, you gotta, you
gotta figure out how far you're going to go with this.
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And from our standpoint, from the design standpoint, I like
it when the juices flow, like let's let's let's get
it all out there. Okay, if we got a wish list,
we want to you mentioned the dining room space or
you know, okay, how good is the great room space
is there? Because that's usually adjacent and and when we're
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doing kitchens and houses that are anything from twenty years
ago and older, I always say, we're trying to get
that space to join the rest of the house. So
then you know, you got to look at Okay, how's
that kitchen behaves with the rest of the rooms down there?
And maybe we open up a wall to that dining space,
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or maybe we've had a lot of homeowners that that
we've done work for that said, you know what, I'm
willing to give up this dining space. It's not as
valuable as you know when it probably got built right
at this house. If I can have a great big island,
or if I can have a pantry, or there might
be some other things in play here too. So yeah,
that that kitchen does sometimes lead into doing that rest
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to that just when it's starting to cut you off there, Mike.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
But I use this thing when you mentioned pantry because
that was something that popped into my to my mind
as well as I feel like if you ask anyone
what's one thing that they could use more of is
storage space than pantry space. And I think of like
older homes, they didn't always have good spaces for pantry.
So you think about if you're doing a kitchen, and
maybe it's a tight kitchen, you've got a dining room,
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we sacrifice a little space there to put somewhere to
put everything, including that you know, cereal.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's hard. So the pantry space can be anything from
a three foot reach in closet and it can be
very valuable still, yeah, to you know, we've done some
beautiful walk in pantries and those are they're they're not
just fun to look at. They've got they've got some
some real usage too.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I've seen and for folks that haven't had a chance
to hand it over to its construction company dot Com.
Mike's not kidding when he's talking about some of these pantries.
You can live in some of them. Yes, they are
free fun for.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Us too, because you know, usually doing kind of some
specialized things we're not doing, you know, we it's amazing
what you can can make happen in there. I'm thinking
of one we did a while back where it was
actually a dining room space. We took down the wall
between the kitchen dining room, expanded the kitchen. Someone got
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a very nice walk in pantry, and one of my
favorite things about it was, I believe I remember we
used we did like like butcher block top but for
shelves in there, and so we you know, and you
can really some of this is fairly reasonable products that
you know, with a little bit of work, maybe standing
finishing standing can look just fantastic in a space like that.
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It's like I said, it's it's fun for designers. It's
fun for the carpenters because we get to do something
we're not doing every single day, and that's always fun.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, I was thinking too, with the designers we talk
about like where does where.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Do we end?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Is that something it's hard for the designers to not
want to kind of start and I'm going to guess
they're going to want to kind of of course we
can do yeah, because there's there are kind of logical
stopping points. Yeah, and you know, we got we got
a budget to work with too. I mean, we're trying
to do our best there, but there there is there's
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some economy of scale. Right, So if the project is
the kitchen, like that's what started this whole thing, probably,
and some secondary projects are you know, a great room,
maybe taking down a wall. We talked about a pantry,
it could be a powder room something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You generally get those secondary projects at a discount, right
because if I've got my guys in there doing drywall
in the kitchen, to do drawwall in a powder bath
or or repairs on a wall we're taken down, or
adding a pantry, you could do that for a lot
less because I don't have to budget, like we're just
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coming in to do that separately. And so that number
is I think between twenty five and thirty percent when
we've tried to dial it in. You get the secondary
projects at a discount because okay, you mentioned the electrical
in a kitchen, well, there's a lot of codes and
a lot of stuff to feed in there, a lot
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of big draws on power and when we're remodeling a
kitchen even from the eighties, we're bringing in probably three
or four new circuits there. So that's home runs from
the panel wherever that is in the house. It's quite
a bit of work. But to bring it all up
to stuff to do a dining room, really we don't
really we can usually use what's there. We're adding led lighting,
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We're we're not having to worry about a fridge or
a stove or whatever else is happening there, and so
that that is very reasonable to do while we're there.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Hey, I've got to think like the mindset of a
designer to not be afraid to explore a little bit
and see I mean, ultimately, what's the worst Amazona doesn't
fit in the budget or it's that, but like just
kind of see what's out there and get a feel
for it and say, listen, this is this week.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah, I think two.
Maybe we'll get in this on the next one. But
we should talk about like if you're roof his leak
and don't to your kitchen, right, you got to take
some care of somebody. You. We do sort of evaluation
when we're first going through, going, Okay, even if we
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do a bath, I'm gonna because we'ren electrical contractor, I'm
gonna if I walking by the kitchen, I'm gonna notice, Okay,
you got some some problems there that really should get fixed.
Maybe the bath is the main project, right, That's happened
plenty of times. Yeah, and we're going, well, how about
we look at least price out updating your electrical uh
in the kitchen, because it's just you know, you're in
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a bad spot here. It needs to be fixed up.
I mean the codes have changed, but also how house
how houses get work done, has changed. You know. Uh,
my parents era, man, I don't I don't really remember
calling electrician very much. It was like your dad probably
messed with it, or your grandpa or an uncle or something.
And yeah, the code, well they knew there was a
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code somewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It's only a couple of wires, Mike, I mean exactly that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
That reminds me of you.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
We talked about kind of having the priorities as far
as rama, you know, things reminds you of like when
you're a teenager and you've got your car and darn it,
it hardly starts, but the stereo sounds fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Got that extra money, you're getting some speakers in.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
An amph Yeah, exactly exactly, but it is, it is.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That is important stuff. Obviously, especially with your home.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You think about that investment and making sure the things
in it are protected. And then of course I start
thinking about some of the some of the really cool things.
And one of the great things about working with Mike
and the team at Edge Construction is leaving things better
than they found them. We're to talk a little bit
more about to kind of get into an entire home remodel,
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whold home remodel and a lot of folks that will
do like an entire floor is another option also for
that stuff. What typically is kind of the trigger to
start this action, Mike, I think about, you know, bigger
projects like this, there's I've got to get. I'm assuming
here and you'll you'll let me know if this is
right or not. But it's oftentimes things have been put
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off far too long.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I would love to say it's my cameras are falling
apart or counto tops or something. But it's amazing how
I think a lot of home owners will we'll eke
those things along, but when their fridge craps out and
the new one doesn't fit in the spot, and that
happens quite a bit more than more than you would think.
I know. I'm thinking way back to when we started
doing this, and I was designing kitchens before we had designers,
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by the way, just let you know I could do
that anyway, probably not as well, sure, but you know
it was when counter deft fridges came out, and you know,
we've always worked on a lot of the smaller houses downtown.
It's like probaly, these fridges can be really big, and
I was trying to figure out waste fit smaller fridges in.
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I did give that up, by the way, because I
finally realized ninety five percent of the choices in fridges
are thirty six inches wide normal depth, and so we
just started figuring out waste to design those in and
have them try to make them, you know, look good.
But yeah, appliances drive a lot of things. If you look.
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I'm thinking of my own history, I'm sure that we
owned houses with kitchens that had not only where all
the appliance is a different brand, they were different color.
You know, probably don't white the fridge, a black dishwasher,
a stainless something else over something And like now I
don't know, maybe we're a little more spoiled. It seems
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like people that's a big deal. Now I do like it.
Obviously in my own house, I laugh, you don't have
different color plans. So for a while we did.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
We had our dishwasher was a loane holdout because you know,
we're just those type of people, like it would it
still works?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Was it like the old Yeller of dishwashers? It just
wouldn't give up? Would it wouldn't give up? And yeah
it was.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
It matched the cabinets, so it didn't stand out to
justify a little bit. But it's eventually it was like,
all right, we've just got it. We've just got to
move on. And there's and there's you know, you mentioned
things like appliances and other things. Obviously there's some huge
advances in those world as well, and that it kind
of do you get folks that, I know, we designed
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around lifestyle a lot. Do you get folks that will
design around a particular like you know, particular I got this.
We want this certain type of refrigerator. We want this
I I guess probably more common the specific type of range.
And so we're going to do this, do this type
of type of cooking setup. We need to do a
we need to do a full remodel.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Here it yes, the short of answers, yes, but like,
do we so do that? Does that stuff figure in?
Do the do the does a cooked top figure in?
Does it gas versus induction versus? Whatever else is out there? Uh?
I really want to you know, like a double even
or I want to get my microwave. I don't want
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on the counter, and I don't want it above the range.
What can we do? That stuff drives that can drive things.
But you know a lot of the appliances dependent on
you know, I mentioned gas, Uh, cooked tops versus or
gas stove versus induction. Most of that stuff is kind
of like the thirty six inch wide fridge. They've normalized
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the sizes. You can kind of get whatever flavor you
want and it'll fit into most designs, especially the new designs.
Old stuff. Yeah, that's you know, fitting into there. We've
had ones where you know, we need to find a
twenty four inch wide stove because it's just a small house,
no other options. It was originally designed like this and
we're sticking with it, and you can find certain things.
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It's a pain. You don't have many choices, right, but
you can get that job done. But oh, I was
going to mention too, So appliances are probably first. That
drives a lot. Flooring drives a lot. I don't know
if you and I came through the many years of
sheet vinyl flooring, right, So when you sheet vinyl flooring
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started looking bad, what'd you do right over the top?
So another layer of sub floor, another layer of vinyl flooring.
There are hoses. Now that we go into it's it's
getting less because you know, so many houses been remodeled,
but we still go to houses that have a good
insurance in a quarter of layers of vinyl flooring. You're laughing,
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But this was a pretty common practice, right, gets the
job done pretty reasonable. You know, lasts for a while.
One of the great trends of modeling, by the way,
is to trend to wave from products that only last
ten years. Yeah, you know, hopefully get something better.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
By the way, does that This is completely unrelated to
two whole homer modeling. But when you're talking about pulling
up some of those forces, that's guy. When you're like
figuring out how big of a dumpster for demo, I mean, does.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That are you?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Are you peeling up just to make sure that there's
going to be in it? Because that seems to be
like a lot of a lot of waste.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It is a lot of waste, and you know it's right, Rice,
but you know, getting into dumpster land here. These things
used to be reasonable, used to be reasonable. Really, not
much of your budget was dedicated towards getting rid of
the trash, right we we we tend to onan We've
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talked a million times about recycling things that still have
some use left in them. So if we pull out
a vanity cabinet or some kitchen cabinets that have life
left in them, we're taking a habitat or really about halftime. Now,
we generally have a list of people that are going, hey,
if you ever have a kitchen that roughly you know,
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a ten by ten kitchen, and you think there's enough
usable cabinets, we know somebody that you know can't afford it,
and maybe you know would really appreciate And so we
so we try to help out people like that. So
we're so we're trying to keep stuff out of the
dumpsters twofold, right, we we don't want to add to
the big pile out east of asset. And and that's
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a cost factor which you're alluded to. So yeah, if
we get we get charged by the ton. So if
there's a if it's a small pile and it's all
cement or tile, all that weighs a lot. If it's
a if it's a bigger pile, you know, there's a
cost factor there. So right, I like taking I call
it taking places back to zero. Like, so we're going
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to peel off that inch in a quarter of vinyl
flooring plus sub floor all the way down. Just get
rid of it, get it down there, get it out
of here, and start off fresh with a good product.
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
One of the things to you like as well, you're
talking earlier about longevity of the product itself. Nothing better
than peel all that stuff back and find out there's
some nice wood floors under there able to If they
don't have that, you guys can definitely install that is
does that come into as we think about like whole
home remodeling folks saying, you know what, we want to
kind of restore some of this.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
You know, if, for example, if you've.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Got those real wood floors, obviously we want to do
with kitchen living space like as much as we can.
Does that sometimes play into that factor as well, of
like of like we want to bring back that it's
it's original beauty very much.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So there's been a t and I would say the
last eight or ten years. And it's not just in remodeling,
it's in even a new home construction. People are willing
to have On the new side, people are willing to
have a little smaller house. They're willing to give up
square footage for better products. So by predit products, I
mean real wood floors, real natural products, stone around the fireplace, wood,
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hearse stone countertops. They're willing to upgrade cabinets so like,
and I think it's like for a lot of reasons,
they look better, feel better. The byproduct is they last longer.
If you care about that word green or sustainable, all
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those buzzwords, which there's there's nothing wrong with that. The
greenst product ever invented was was solid wood floors. Right,
we're bringing back some of those floors that have been covered,
like you said, that are one hundred years old, and
by the time we're done restoring them, they they they
probably have another one hundred years plus of life left
in them. There's no product in history that's that good.
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I really have a problem with uh when when I
hear things like, yeah, you can expect your appliances the
last ten years. To me, that is wasteful. I think
we can, you know, push for better if you really
dig in and it's gotten better, like I think we
bottomed out and we're on the upswing. You know that
stuff is getting better. But I would personally, maybe it's
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just me, I'd be willing to have a few less
computer chips in my refrigerator if I knew it was
going to last another like five years. You're not adding Yes,
I know, I know, but yeah, but that it's kind
of where the world's gone, and I think it's going
to simplify a little bit. You know, as a as.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
A tech guy, I love the technology, but I don't
like that I'm with the eyes.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
About replacing your anology. You know, that is not something
I enjoy at all. It's so I think it you know,
if you if you're working on. If we're working on
your house and you've got a house full of vinyl windows,
I'm gonna pick on those guys a little bit. And
we want to make a bigger window in the kitchen,
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we probably will spec a fiber glass window, which, Okay,
it costs more, but it's much more stable, double the life. Yes,
it's it's uh, it's efficient, does all those things. It's
just gonna work better for a lot longer. It's not
gonna need to be replaced in another eight or ten years.
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And to me, that's a better choice.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
By the way, and kind of along the conversation of
longevity is not just longevity of the of the products.
Is it also the fact that we're seeing more folks
do these whole Homer models. Is they're spending more time
at the home. We're you know, we started this conversation
this week talking about, you know, some of the flippers
and some of the some of the troubles that were
caused by that, by that mindset, we're seeing the opposite
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now where folks are from what the numbers I've seen,
and you would know much better than I, but people
are staying in their homes longer and they seem to
be more interested in you know, we're gonna, we're gonna
if we're going to remodel, we're gonna, we're gonna do
We're going to do a big project, and we're going
to do do it well, We're not gonna mail this
stuff in. So are we seeing more more folks working
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with you guys at edge construction because they simply plan
on being there long term?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, And certainly owners are willing to do, you know,
a better job, make better choices if they think they're
going to stay there longer. And so I think we're
this bottom out. Uh it was somewhere around two thousand
and four. I think the studies back then said average
time and a home was less than six years. I
don't want it was for a short time. And uh,
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it wasn't a great time for construction. I tell you
there was a lot of work. Right, we're building a
lot of new houses, but nobody was willing to really
invest in that house if they thought they were going
to be leaving in a few years. So it was
a lot of band aid type fixes, a lot of
you know, just get me by. And now that the
focus has changed, right, it seems like the American homeowner
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is not always looking for the newer, bigger, best house,
Like you know, Okay, I got an eighteen hours square
foot house, and my next one's going to be twenty
two hundred and then I'm going to jump up and
then I'm going to really have something fancy, And it's
it's more about, Okay, how do we get this house
to feel like I want to feel like you can
really now design for comfort, and the industry has not
(24:39):
has figured this out. Like if you look at a
lot of the products that that now we have access
to a lot of the options that homeowners have for
putting in their house, from from flooring choices to even furniture.
It's the options for a better quality product, and we
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have a lot of options for products that work well together.
So it's it's not nothing really can stands out, like
you know that red wall, red accent. I'm looking at
it right now. That's why I but yeah, okay, I'm
trying not to look over that. Good luck, but yeah,
that that's a great trend in construction of people stay
in the houses longer and been making better choices because okay,
(25:23):
if you're going to stay in your house for twenty years.
Do you want to really go through a model and
then think, oh, ten ten years, I'm gonna have to
do this again. No, it's terrible. Now.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
As much as I like hanging out with you, Mike,
we can avoid and that's and that's one of the
I was hoping that that was the answer, because that's
one of the things I just find absolutely fascinating is
you know, folks deciding we're gonna we're gonna look big picture,
long term, and you know, there's nothing better than that
that house that's going to look great this year, next year,
twenty years, thirty years down the road.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And that's one of the really cool trends that we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
As we talked this morning with Mike two, owner of
Edge Construction, we'll talk a little bit more about doing
an entire home remodel, some of the some of the
things to guides for homeowners, some of the things to
think about, some of the considerations there. Of course, if
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Speaker 2 (26:44):
Hanging out with Mike two Wegg talking this week about doing.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
An entire home remodel, a step by step guide we'll
call it for homeowners.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Things to think about.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Does some of this too is as we talked Mike
about about kind of what triggers whole home remodeling, Some
of it just have to do with like maybe folks
looked at other houses and said, you know what I
don't like.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I don't like what's out there.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I love our neighborhood, or I like this house, but
there's a butt like you know, we want to modernize
and the kids are out of the house. For example,
the house probably needs to perform a little bit differently.
I mean, is that a trigger for some folks saying,
you know what, we just really like where we are,
we don't really like the options available to us elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, yeah, right, because so if I was, you know,
gonna gonna give you the true story, it's not all
my house is falling apart, and then I've got to
remodel it, right, some of it is I mean, do
you do you wait till you're till your car wheels
(27:40):
are just falling off it before you get a different car.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Like undrivable? I was a teenager, Yes, yeah, lesson learned.
Now you're so different, right, Yes, and you've.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Got some resources now you can you can make those choices.
And that's about half of remodeling is actually people with
disposable income that can have the things they want, right,
And it doesn't always We're getting less of those questions,
Like for so long it was okay, if I doing
a kitchen and sell my house, how much more can
I get for the house. Well, you know that's a
(28:11):
really tough question, right, Like there's a lot of variables
and maybe I'm not in maybe I'm great at remoling kitchen.
But I'm not great at answering that question. We take
some educated guesses, but I don't think I've had that
question really for a couple of years. And I think
it's because you know it, Homers too are looking at
this and it's it's bled into us, like it's changed
(28:32):
how we look at the project. We're we're you alluded
to that, okay, are we look We want to look
at it in a more comprehensive way also, and I
think it's super healthy way, uh to approach it.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So's wearing like two week owner of edge Construction online,
edge Construction Company dot com all one word edge Construction
Company dot com. And you think about kind of how
folks approach these, you know, these these bigger projects. There
is a bit more of a timeline as well. Obviously
when you start doing like a substantial undertaking, you get
this idea to do like a big, big remodel, there's
going to be probably could be also going to be
(29:05):
some pain and suffering. Yeah, I see, there's going to
be some a couple more meetings than a simple you
know we're just doing We're going to do a flex space.
This is probably going to take a little bit extra, right.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So you know, on a typical bigger project remodeling like
a whole whole house or maybe the main level, those
those projects tend to spend four or five six months
in design. And I think at first, if you ask us,
I'll be honest with you and tell you that, and
I get a lot of looks like, how could it
possibly take that long? But we're we're actually not the
(29:39):
ones setting the pace for that, right, You're not on
a schedule. So if a howner is maybe start of
the design process themselves or with somebody else, and they
come to us and they know mostly what they want,
they're ninety percent of the way there. They they're super
decisive and don't need reaction time on anything. Yeah, it
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goes quicker. Most people when when we start that design process,
they have a good idea, they've got a wish list.
We organize that. We start with preliminary designs. Once we
get in the design process, we hand those back to
you and most people don't look at it, go okay,
let's change this as this and I'm ready. It's like
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I call reaction time. You take it home. You might
let it sit for day or two, and then you know,
generally within a week or two, people are getting back Okay,
now let's move it. So you're kicking this can down
the road and moving in a general direction. And so
when the time is right okay, it's kind of apparent
to everybody that this is ready to go. Now we
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can make decisions and start picking out products and things
like that. So yeah, for us, that design process is
we call it from first meeting until a contract is written,
and after that we're in the construction phase with that
pace too.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I think sometimes people are surprised when they, you know,
one they think, oh, well, that seems seems like it's
it's actually does move. I think, as you point out,
as as the homeowner dictates, is they're really setting the
pace on this. But the other thing that I don't
know that people you know, until they've gone through it
or are experiencing it firsthand. It's something that I think
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homeowners really appreciate once they're in it, Like it gives
us time to think, it gives us a chance to
do this stuff. And again, as you point out, if
there are people that are super decisive or or already
kind of know what they're going to do, and there's
just a couple of real minor things tron out. They
set the pace that can be I know you guys, yeah,
I would love to from the other side of the coin.
I guarantee your guys, the sooner the better they can
(31:39):
get in and get the project going. But doing right
by the home, doing right by the homeowner requires this.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Time, and I think it needs to follow its natural course,
like you know, if you're going to force it, if
you're gonna try and speed this ut. I think people
make better, better choices, better decisions when they're not you know,
when they're not seeing the window closed, like when they
feel like they've got enough time to comfortably make those choices.
And in the end that's good for everybody. It's good
for homeowner, good for us, good for the house. So yeah,
(32:08):
and then on the timeline for getting the job done,
it's it's amazing how many how many times it's uh,
projects take about as long in construction as they took
and design. So a whole house remodels a good number
to start with. Good around number is like a six
month period because sometimes whole house remodels have have an
(32:30):
addition or or we were rebuilding part of that house
or we're really making some heavy duty changes. If we're
not doing porn concrete. Okay, that number tends to slide down.
Something goes a little quicker. There's a there's a scale too.
If it's if it's a great big house and and
it's really old, those are things that can factor into
(32:52):
the timeline. Older houses take longer remodel. Bigger houses take
longer remodel. So, like I've try to tell my wife,
a small square box is like the most efficient to build,
most efficient to heat and cool. Uh, you know it
doesn't take that long to design. It's that fancy. Uh,
(33:12):
pretty pretty reasonable to put together. But you know it's not.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Good luck, by the way, by the way with these
bigger projects too. Obviously, permits are needed for no matter what.
But if you're if you're going up or out, there's
there's more to it, isn't there.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, really had.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
A camera on you, but I was telling you go
ahead and make the hangings.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, permitting has gotten to be a more challenging, lengthy process.
And uh, I would never deem myself to pick on
the inspectors. So we love them all. You're a great Yeah.
So uh, if you go into a bigger entity like
Mike Madison versus h for where you're at. It's a
(33:57):
different process for any remodel in Madison. When we submit
to a permit, it goes through a plan review, and
the person that does that isn't necessarily the person that's
out inspecting and watching this work get done. So I
think there's there's more questions that can take longer, and
sometimes we have to do quite a bit more work
on the design side to satisfy those people, and other
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are times that kind of whips right through just like, Okay,
this was no problem. So I don't know, explain that
to me. When you go to an adjutant or whatever.
I think they rely more on the actual boots on
the ground inspector because yeah, it's just the volume is different, right,
they don't They don't have to. You don't have to
handle the amount of a volume there that they do
in a Madison proper And so we are it's easier
(34:43):
for us to build a relationship with that inspector and
that that process can move a little quicker because if
we have a question, we can we can call them
and it's just a different deal when you're working in Maybury,
versus I don't know, what's a big town in North Carolina. Yeah,
Charlotte or something. So yeah, I don't know if that
answered the question, but that that printing process we've had
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up until the last couple of years has been a
really repeatable thing. It might take us a few weeks
to a couple of months to get a permit. We've
had permits now in the last couple of years that
have taken us six months to get and it's very frustrating,
very long process. Once we get rolling, we seem to
be fine, but it's getting through that upfront process sometimes
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that can be a challenge.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It's obviously as we talk about talking about some of
those some of those permits other things and understanding how
those systems work. And that's one of the cool things too,
is you know, as you're doing these different projects and
working with folks that do this day in and day out,
kind of understanding the last thing you want to do
is do a big, big addition only to have the
inspire to come by and say.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Hey, you need to move that wall for it that way,
to stop you for a while. Yeah, exactly exactly what
does happen?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
It does, and that's that's as we talked this morning
with Mike two Egg of Edge Construction talking about kind
of the planning that goes into a bigger project, those
whole home runs models and maybe a floor remodel on
those type of projects. Of course, if you think about
doing something like that, big or small, Micae the team
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Speaker 2 (36:47):
That you work on. Yeah, I, much to my wife's chagrin,
I don't go home and make cool stuff out of
wood do it all day so I like working on
old stuff, old cars. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Do we get as we talk about part of whole
Homer money, do you have people are saying, you know,
we want to extend, expend our garage or put to
do like a workshop as part of us.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I do what I'm all for it. Yes, more and
more old cool stuff and garages is the best. We
did one recently down on Lake Monona and Homewer had
a small you know, this is one hundred plus year
old house, beautiful brickhouse. We had remodeled. Actually, no, I'm
(37:26):
trying to think here. We've been in there a few
times rottling things. I think this was the first time
we were in there was maybe three years ago. Anyways,
we took out they had a small, one car attached garage,
remember those kind of and to say it was a
one car is like kind of a stratue. It had
been you know, pretty small, yeah, to get it in there. Anyways,
this had a few cars that he had was storing,
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and so we built a garage kind of. We took
the one car garage off, made the driveway swing around back.
They had a pretty good size backyard, got a two
car garage back there where you could any put a
put car sack in there? So it was engineering. It
is an engineering feet We couldn't go over like I
think twenty four feet to the top very peak of
the top of that roof. We're get in trouble with
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the city. We were under lots of restrictions there, but
made it work. And now he has four cars and
a two car garage. Wow. Pretty cool and and uh,
I think we just about always have something in the design.
It's a it's a it's a very popular question. Okay,
can I add onto my garage? Can I add a garage?
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And you know people have.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Stuff, so yeah, it's a it's a good it's a
good conversation.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
It's good to see too.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
As we were talking earlier about you know, about putting
money into your into your house and you know, staying
there for the long term and really looking big picture
stuff having like space to do things like work on
cars or story or tool I mean, the more stuff
you can do yourself.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
What a what a saving I was joke my you know,
if I say to my wife, I saw a cool house,
she me what color it is? And my friends that
our car guys would say, how big was the They
didn't care about the house.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Do you got by the way, do you guys get
called into speaking of garages? I know, I don't know
if the term is still man cave or what we're calling.
Do you get like projects like I know, I know
you get manned cave projects? You ever get like guys
saying this is my man cave. I want you guys
to to work on this project.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
And I think I was looking at like, we give
them a heck of a head start. Okay, yeah, so
we'll we'll finish it out. We'll make the inside like,
you know, a clean slate for you to get started on.
It is fun to, you know, to see how much
aftermarket stuff. I mean, if you're handy at all, it's
not hard to customize your garage. We did customize one
(39:43):
a few years ago that it was taller on the inside.
Homer actually put a golf simulator. Oh okay, I got
to drop down like curtain thing and go in there
and hit golf balls. Uh. And they had a We
did a bunch of custom cabinets for tools and things.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
But my favorite part of that garage was the hot
drug roller hot dog roll like from a gas stationing. Yes, oh,
my gosh, that is so cool. That is that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Play golf with your buddies. Maybe have yourself a beer
and uh, I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I can tell your wheels. I'm thinking about to get
those tornadoes at quick Trip. You ever get one of
those things? Oh my gosh, Mike, what a what a
what a blessing that would be?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
What a guy.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
We talked with Mike about about remodeling and again thinking
about doing something, whether it's just a real simple like
you want to update the bathroom in the kitchen, or
maybe you want to add us at a level at
a garage. I'll add some space to the basement, anything
like that. Michael Team at Edge Construction left talking to
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morning from Edge Construction. Mister Mike two week Mike, how
you do it? Man graat Sean. It's a good thing,
A good thing that I feel like you and I
(00:21):
could could talk about everything in the way.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I just can't put it on air. No, No, probably not.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's a good thing that the show has a solid
start time, or I think you and I would would
just would just talk.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's it's good.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
By the way, though, as we talked this week, we'reen.
We're talking about whole floor and whole home remodeling, and
I think one of the good things that comes out
of our conversations is you had said something that I
don't think we've ever really explored, which is like with
a kitchen remodel specifically, you had said kind of off handedly,
it often kind of turns into a you know, like
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almost like a whole floor remodel is like people these
days when they're doing like the kitchen for examples, are
oftentimes at ed's construction, bringing another spaces. There's some economy there,
there's some other great benefits. But people are are really
kind of expanding that reach of that area, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, And I think it's a really healthy thing. Right.
Sometimes that kitchener model in the past has been in
sort of a stop gap, Like the tires on the
truck are bald, so you've got to replace some Let's
get that kitchen down and then we'll kind of worry
about all that other stuff later. And I think some
of it is related to just the you know, the
(01:31):
county shows on TV, or the flip shows or the
you know, we're going to get this done quick kind
of thing. And you know, it's I think that for
a homeowner, it's really attractive to start looking at that
whole you know called the common areas. Uh, those are
areas where the friends and relativesy. Right, it's your great room, entrance,
(01:55):
maybe a bathroom, the kitchen is certainly those areas that
are real visible from when you have friends and relatives over.
It's really nice to start thinking about those and have
some continuity there versus like, uh, you know, we can
we still are. I don't know. I think for the
rest of my career, I'm gonna be dealing with the
aftermath of the flips, you know, where we come in
(02:19):
and do just to We buy a house, sound the cheap,
do enough to, you know, maybe throw a little flooring down,
Maybe we get some cheap cabinets, Maybe we you know whatever,
kind of polish up the pig a little bit, and
then we sell it for fifty grand more than we
bought it for. And that was a lot of I
wish I knew what percentage of houses went through this,
(02:40):
because it seems like maybe a quarter of them. I
don't know if that's a fair figure in just the
medicine areas, and I think it was even worse in
bigger cities. But when I talk about that continuity word,
that's the opposite of the flip thing. Right there, we're
just putting and aids on stuff. You'll see the the
(03:03):
flooring might be three different floor types of floor on
that first floor. And in those common areas. It got
the job done for a time. But when you're approaching
design that way, are you really putting in a good
products or you really put in things that are going
to last and using good design chops. You know, I'm
gonna guess new like doing a bench construction.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
One of the things too, I think about is like,
you know, I think about, for example, a kitchen and
how much goes into design and planning and that area is.
I also then think about some of the rooms adjacent
to typically thinking maybe a dining room or you know,
you mentioned like family living space, those type of things.
Those rooms are a little less complex thing. You know,
there's there's not a sink, and there's not these other
(03:44):
you know, there's not high voltage, wattage appliances, and it's
generally kind of simpler. And it seems to me like
if you're going to do that kitchen room model, kind
of modifying the flow and kind of working at you know,
bringing in it a kind of modern standards would be
just like the perfect pairing is like we're doing this
this bigger project, why not tack onto a little smaller
modification that can show some great dividends. It's just as
(04:07):
far as overall flow of the space. Yeah, And that
kind of brings up another.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Point is like home owners, we go through this and
we go through this with them where it's like, okay,
where do we stop right? Sure? Yeah, because if pennies
fell from heaven, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna fix this
whole thing. But you know, you gotta, you gotta, you
gotta figure out how far you're going to go with this.
(04:31):
And from our standpoint, from the design standpoint, I like
it when the juices flow, like let's let's let's get
it all out there. Okay, if we got a wish list,
we want to you mentioned the dining room space or
you know, okay, how good is the great room space
is there? Because that's usually adjacent and and when we're
(04:52):
doing kitchens and houses that are anything from twenty years
ago and older, I always say, we're trying to get
that space to join the rest of the house. So
then you know, you got to look at Okay, how's
that kitchen behaves with the rest of the rooms down there?
And maybe we open up a wall to that dining space,
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or maybe we've had a lot of homeowners that that
we've done work for that said, you know what, I'm
willing to give up this dining space. It's not as
valuable as you know when it probably got built right
at this house. If I can have a great big island,
or if I can have a pantry, or there might
be some other things in play here too. So yeah,
that that kitchen does sometimes lead into doing that rest
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to that just when it's starting to cut you off there, Mike.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
But I use this thing when you mentioned pantry because
that was something that popped into my to my mind
as well as I feel like if you ask anyone
what's one thing that they could use more of is
storage space than pantry space. And I think of like
older homes, they didn't always have good spaces for pantry.
So you think about if you're doing a kitchen, and
maybe it's a tight kitchen, you've got a dining room,
(06:02):
we sacrifice a little space there to put somewhere to
put everything, including that you know, cereal.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's hard. So the pantry space can be anything from
a three foot reach in closet and it can be
very valuable still, yeah, to you know, we've done some
beautiful walk in pantries and those are they're they're not
just fun to look at. They've got they've got some
some real usage too.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I've seen and for folks that haven't had a chance
to hand it over to its construction company dot Com.
Mike's not kidding when he's talking about some of these pantries.
You can live in some of them. Yes, they are
free fun for.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Us too, because you know, usually doing kind of some
specialized things we're not doing, you know, we it's amazing
what you can can make happen in there. I'm thinking
of one we did a while back where it was
actually a dining room space. We took down the wall
between the kitchen dining room, expanded the kitchen. Someone got
(07:00):
a very nice walk in pantry, and one of my
favorite things about it was, I believe I remember we
used we did like like butcher block top but for
shelves in there, and so we you know, and you
can really some of this is fairly reasonable products that
you know, with a little bit of work, maybe standing
finishing standing can look just fantastic in a space like that.
(07:25):
It's like I said, it's it's fun for designers. It's
fun for the carpenters because we get to do something
we're not doing every single day, and that's always fun.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, I was thinking too, with the designers we talk
about like where does where.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Do we end?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Is that something it's hard for the designers to not
want to kind of start and I'm going to guess
they're going to want to kind of of course we
can do yeah, because there's there are kind of logical
stopping points. Yeah, and you know, we got we got
a budget to work with too. I mean, we're trying
to do our best there, but there there is there's
(07:56):
some economy of scale. Right, So if the project is
the kitchen, like that's what started this whole thing, probably,
and some secondary projects are you know, a great room,
maybe taking down a wall. We talked about a pantry,
it could be a powder room something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You generally get those secondary projects at a discount, right
because if I've got my guys in there doing drywall
in the kitchen, to do drawwall in a powder bath
or or repairs on a wall we're taken down, or
adding a pantry, you could do that for a lot
less because I don't have to budget, like we're just
(08:36):
coming in to do that separately. And so that number
is I think between twenty five and thirty percent when
we've tried to dial it in. You get the secondary
projects at a discount because okay, you mentioned the electrical
in a kitchen, well, there's a lot of codes and
a lot of stuff to feed in there, a lot
(08:56):
of big draws on power and when we're remodeling a
kitchen even from the eighties, we're bringing in probably three
or four new circuits there. So that's home runs from
the panel wherever that is in the house. It's quite
a bit of work. But to bring it all up
to stuff to do a dining room, really we don't
really we can usually use what's there. We're adding led lighting,
(09:17):
We're we're not having to worry about a fridge or
a stove or whatever else is happening there, and so
that that is very reasonable to do while we're there.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Hey, I've got to think like the mindset of a
designer to not be afraid to explore a little bit
and see I mean, ultimately, what's the worst Amazona doesn't
fit in the budget or it's that, but like just
kind of see what's out there and get a feel
for it and say, listen, this is this week.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah, I think two.
Maybe we'll get in this on the next one. But
we should talk about like if you're roof his leak
and don't to your kitchen, right, you got to take
some care of somebody. You. We do sort of evaluation
when we're first going through, going, Okay, even if we
(10:07):
do a bath, I'm gonna because we'ren electrical contractor, I'm
gonna if I walking by the kitchen, I'm gonna notice, Okay,
you got some some problems there that really should get fixed.
Maybe the bath is the main project, right, That's happened
plenty of times. Yeah, and we're going, well, how about
we look at least price out updating your electrical uh
in the kitchen, because it's just you know, you're in
(10:28):
a bad spot here. It needs to be fixed up.
I mean the codes have changed, but also how house
how houses get work done, has changed. You know. Uh,
my parents era, man, I don't I don't really remember
calling electrician very much. It was like your dad probably
messed with it, or your grandpa or an uncle or something.
And yeah, the code, well they knew there was a
(10:49):
code somewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It's only a couple of wires, Mike, I mean exactly that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
That reminds me of you.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
We talked about kind of having the priorities as far
as rama, you know, things reminds you of like when
you're a teenager and you've got your car and darn it,
it hardly starts, but the stereo sounds fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Got that extra money, you're getting some speakers in.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
An amph Yeah, exactly exactly, but it is, it is.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That is important stuff. Obviously, especially with your home.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You think about that investment and making sure the things
in it are protected. And then of course I start
thinking about some of the some of the really cool things.
And one of the great things about working with Mike
and the team at Edge Construction is leaving things better
than they found them. We're to talk a little bit
more about to kind of get into an entire home remodel,
what all is entailed in that and some of the
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whold home remodel and a lot of folks that will
do like an entire floor is another option also for
that stuff. What typically is kind of the trigger to
start this action, Mike, I think about, you know, bigger
projects like this, there's I've got to get. I'm assuming
here and you'll you'll let me know if this is
right or not. But it's oftentimes things have been put
(12:52):
off far too long.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I would love to say it's my cameras are falling
apart or counto tops or something. But it's amazing how
I think a lot of home owners will we'll eke
those things along, but when their fridge craps out and
the new one doesn't fit in the spot, and that
happens quite a bit more than more than you would think.
I know. I'm thinking way back to when we started
doing this, and I was designing kitchens before we had designers,
(13:17):
by the way, just let you know I could do
that anyway, probably not as well, sure, but you know
it was when counter deft fridges came out, and you know,
we've always worked on a lot of the smaller houses downtown.
It's like probaly, these fridges can be really big, and
I was trying to figure out waste fit smaller fridges in.
(13:38):
I did give that up, by the way, because I
finally realized ninety five percent of the choices in fridges
are thirty six inches wide normal depth, and so we
just started figuring out waste to design those in and
have them try to make them, you know, look good.
But yeah, appliances drive a lot of things. If you look.
(13:58):
I'm thinking of my own history, I'm sure that we
owned houses with kitchens that had not only where all
the appliance is a different brand, they were different color.
You know, probably don't white the fridge, a black dishwasher,
a stainless something else over something And like now I
don't know, maybe we're a little more spoiled. It seems
(14:18):
like people that's a big deal. Now I do like it.
Obviously in my own house, I laugh, you don't have
different color plans. So for a while we did.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
We had our dishwasher was a loane holdout because you know,
we're just those type of people, like it would it
still works?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Was it like the old Yeller of dishwashers? It just
wouldn't give up? Would it wouldn't give up? And yeah
it was.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
It matched the cabinets, so it didn't stand out to
justify a little bit. But it's eventually it was like,
all right, we've just got it. We've just got to
move on. And there's and there's you know, you mentioned
things like appliances and other things. Obviously there's some huge
advances in those world as well, and that it kind
of do you get folks that, I know, we designed
(14:59):
around lifestyle a lot. Do you get folks that will
design around a particular like you know, particular I got this.
We want this certain type of refrigerator. We want this
I I guess probably more common the specific type of range.
And so we're going to do this, do this type
of type of cooking setup. We need to do a
we need to do a full remodel.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Here it yes, the short of answers, yes, but like,
do we so do that? Does that stuff figure in?
Do the do the does a cooked top figure in?
Does it gas versus induction versus? Whatever else is out there? Uh?
I really want to you know, like a double even
or I want to get my microwave. I don't want
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on the counter, and I don't want it above the range.
What can we do? That stuff drives that can drive things.
But you know a lot of the appliances dependent on
you know, I mentioned gas, Uh, cooked tops versus or
gas stove versus induction. Most of that stuff is kind
of like the thirty six inch wide fridge. They've normalized
(16:03):
the sizes. You can kind of get whatever flavor you
want and it'll fit into most designs, especially the new designs.
Old stuff. Yeah, that's you know, fitting into there. We've
had ones where you know, we need to find a
twenty four inch wide stove because it's just a small house,
no other options. It was originally designed like this and
we're sticking with it, and you can find certain things.
(16:27):
It's a pain. You don't have many choices, right, but
you can get that job done. But oh, I was
going to mention too, So appliances are probably first. That
drives a lot. Flooring drives a lot. I don't know
if you and I came through the many years of
sheet vinyl flooring, right, So when you sheet vinyl flooring
(16:50):
started looking bad, what'd you do right over the top?
So another layer of sub floor, another layer of vinyl flooring.
There are hoses. Now that we go into it's it's
getting less because you know, so many houses been remodeled,
but we still go to houses that have a good
insurance in a quarter of layers of vinyl flooring. You're laughing,
(17:13):
But this was a pretty common practice, right, gets the
job done pretty reasonable. You know, lasts for a while.
One of the great trends of modeling, by the way,
is to trend to wave from products that only last
ten years. Yeah, you know, hopefully get something better.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
By the way, does that This is completely unrelated to
two whole homer modeling. But when you're talking about pulling
up some of those forces, that's guy. When you're like
figuring out how big of a dumpster for demo, I mean, does.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That are you?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Are you peeling up just to make sure that there's
going to be in it? Because that seems to be
like a lot of a lot of waste.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It is a lot of waste, and you know it's right, Rice,
but you know, getting into dumpster land here. These things
used to be reasonable, used to be reasonable. Really, not
much of your budget was dedicated towards getting rid of
the trash, right we we we tend to onan We've
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talked a million times about recycling things that still have
some use left in them. So if we pull out
a vanity cabinet or some kitchen cabinets that have life
left in them, we're taking a habitat or really about halftime. Now,
we generally have a list of people that are going, hey,
if you ever have a kitchen that roughly you know,
(18:28):
a ten by ten kitchen, and you think there's enough
usable cabinets, we know somebody that you know can't afford it,
and maybe you know would really appreciate And so we
so we try to help out people like that. So
we're so we're trying to keep stuff out of the
dumpsters twofold, right, we we don't want to add to
the big pile out east of asset. And and that's
(18:51):
a cost factor which you're alluded to. So yeah, if
we get we get charged by the ton. So if
there's a if it's a small pile and it's all
cement or tile, all that weighs a lot. If it's
a if it's a bigger pile, you know, there's a
cost factor there. So right, I like taking I call
it taking places back to zero. Like, so we're going
(19:13):
to peel off that inch in a quarter of vinyl
flooring plus sub floor all the way down. Just get
rid of it, get it down there, get it out
of here, and start off fresh with a good product.
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
One of the things to you like as well, you're
talking earlier about longevity of the product itself. Nothing better
than peel all that stuff back and find out there's
some nice wood floors under there able to If they
don't have that, you guys can definitely install that is
does that come into as we think about like whole
home remodeling folks saying, you know what, we want to
kind of restore some of this.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
You know, if, for example, if you've.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Got those real wood floors, obviously we want to do
with kitchen living space like as much as we can.
Does that sometimes play into that factor as well, of
like of like we want to bring back that it's
it's original beauty very much.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So there's been a t and I would say the
last eight or ten years. And it's not just in remodeling,
it's in even a new home construction. People are willing
to have On the new side, people are willing to
have a little smaller house. They're willing to give up
square footage for better products. So by predit products, I
mean real wood floors, real natural products, stone around the fireplace, wood,
(20:27):
hearse stone countertops. They're willing to upgrade cabinets so like,
and I think it's like for a lot of reasons,
they look better, feel better. The byproduct is they last longer.
If you care about that word green or sustainable, all
(20:48):
those buzzwords, which there's there's nothing wrong with that. The
greenst product ever invented was was solid wood floors. Right,
we're bringing back some of those floors that have been covered,
like you said, that are one hundred years old, and
by the time we're done restoring them, they they they
probably have another one hundred years plus of life left
in them. There's no product in history that's that good.
(21:11):
I really have a problem with uh when when I
hear things like, yeah, you can expect your appliances the
last ten years. To me, that is wasteful. I think
we can, you know, push for better if you really
dig in and it's gotten better, like I think we
bottomed out and we're on the upswing. You know that
stuff is getting better. But I would personally, maybe it's
(21:36):
just me, I'd be willing to have a few less
computer chips in my refrigerator if I knew it was
going to last another like five years. You're not adding Yes,
I know, I know, but yeah, but that it's kind
of where the world's gone, and I think it's going
to simplify a little bit. You know, as a as.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
A tech guy, I love the technology, but I don't
like that I'm with the eyes.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
About replacing your anology. You know, that is not something
I enjoy at all. It's so I think it you know,
if you if you're working on. If we're working on
your house and you've got a house full of vinyl windows,
I'm gonna pick on those guys a little bit. And
we want to make a bigger window in the kitchen,
(22:21):
we probably will spec a fiber glass window, which, Okay,
it costs more, but it's much more stable, double the life. Yes,
it's it's uh, it's efficient, does all those things. It's
just gonna work better for a lot longer. It's not
gonna need to be replaced in another eight or ten years.
(22:42):
And to me, that's a better choice.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
By the way, and kind of along the conversation of
longevity is not just longevity of the of the products.
Is it also the fact that we're seeing more folks
do these whole Homer models. Is they're spending more time
at the home. We're you know, we started this conversation
this week talking about, you know, some of the flippers
and some of the some of the troubles that were
caused by that, by that mindset, we're seeing the opposite
(23:04):
now where folks are from what the numbers I've seen,
and you would know much better than I, but people
are staying in their homes longer and they seem to
be more interested in you know, we're gonna, we're gonna
if we're going to remodel, we're gonna, we're gonna do
We're going to do a big project, and we're going
to do do it well, We're not gonna mail this
stuff in. So are we seeing more more folks working
(23:26):
with you guys at edge construction because they simply plan
on being there long term?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, And certainly owners are willing to do, you know,
a better job, make better choices if they think they're
going to stay there longer. And so I think we're
this bottom out. Uh it was somewhere around two thousand
and four. I think the studies back then said average
time and a home was less than six years. I
don't want it was for a short time. And uh,
(23:52):
it wasn't a great time for construction. I tell you
there was a lot of work. Right, we're building a
lot of new houses, but nobody was willing to really
invest in that house if they thought they were going
to be leaving in a few years. So it was
a lot of band aid type fixes, a lot of
you know, just get me by. And now that the
focus has changed, right, it seems like the American homeowner
(24:15):
is not always looking for the newer, bigger, best house,
Like you know, Okay, I got an eighteen hours square
foot house, and my next one's going to be twenty
two hundred and then I'm going to jump up and
then I'm going to really have something fancy, And it's
it's more about, Okay, how do we get this house
to feel like I want to feel like you can
really now design for comfort, and the industry has not
(24:39):
has figured this out. Like if you look at a
lot of the products that that now we have access
to a lot of the options that homeowners have for
putting in their house, from from flooring choices to even furniture.
It's the options for a better quality product, and we
(25:01):
have a lot of options for products that work well together.
So it's it's not nothing really can stands out, like
you know that red wall, red accent. I'm looking at
it right now. That's why I but yeah, okay, I'm
trying not to look over that. Good luck, but yeah,
that that's a great trend in construction of people stay
in the houses longer and been making better choices because okay,
(25:23):
if you're going to stay in your house for twenty years.
Do you want to really go through a model and
then think, oh, ten ten years, I'm gonna have to
do this again. No, it's terrible. Now.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
As much as I like hanging out with you, Mike,
we can avoid and that's and that's one of the
I was hoping that that was the answer, because that's
one of the things I just find absolutely fascinating is
you know, folks deciding we're gonna we're gonna look big picture,
long term, and you know, there's nothing better than that
that house that's going to look great this year, next year,
twenty years, thirty years down the road.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And that's one of the really cool trends that we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
As we talked this morning with Mike two, owner of
Edge Construction, we'll talk a little bit more about doing
an entire home remodel, some of the some of the
things to guides for homeowners, some of the things to
think about, some of the considerations there. Of course, if
you have been to the website yet, head on over
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Construction Company dot com. You'll see some great projects that
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Speaker 2 (26:44):
Hanging out with Mike two Wegg talking this week about doing.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
An entire home remodel, a step by step guide we'll
call it for homeowners.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Things to think about.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Does some of this too is as we talked Mike
about about kind of what triggers whole home remodeling, Some
of it just have to do with like maybe folks
looked at other houses and said, you know what I
don't like.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I don't like what's out there.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I love our neighborhood, or I like this house, but
there's a butt like you know, we want to modernize
and the kids are out of the house. For example,
the house probably needs to perform a little bit differently.
I mean, is that a trigger for some folks saying,
you know what, we just really like where we are,
we don't really like the options available to us elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, yeah, right, because so if I was, you know,
gonna gonna give you the true story, it's not all
my house is falling apart, and then I've got to
remodel it, right, some of it is I mean, do
you do you wait till you're till your car wheels
(27:40):
are just falling off it before you get a different car.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Like undrivable? I was a teenager, Yes, yeah, lesson learned.
Now you're so different, right, Yes, and you've.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Got some resources now you can you can make those choices.
And that's about half of remodeling is actually people with
disposable income that can have the things they want, right,
And it doesn't always We're getting less of those questions,
Like for so long it was okay, if I doing
a kitchen and sell my house, how much more can
I get for the house. Well, you know that's a
(28:11):
really tough question, right, Like there's a lot of variables
and maybe I'm not in maybe I'm great at remoling kitchen.
But I'm not great at answering that question. We take
some educated guesses, but I don't think I've had that
question really for a couple of years. And I think
it's because you know it, Homers too are looking at
this and it's it's bled into us, like it's changed
(28:32):
how we look at the project. We're we're you alluded
to that, okay, are we look We want to look
at it in a more comprehensive way also, and I
think it's super healthy way, uh to approach it.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So's wearing like two week owner of edge Construction online,
edge Construction Company dot com all one word edge Construction
Company dot com. And you think about kind of how
folks approach these, you know, these these bigger projects. There
is a bit more of a timeline as well. Obviously
when you start doing like a substantial undertaking, you get
this idea to do like a big, big remodel, there's
going to be probably could be also going to be
(29:05):
some pain and suffering. Yeah, I see, there's going to
be some a couple more meetings than a simple you
know we're just doing We're going to do a flex space.
This is probably going to take a little bit extra, right.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So you know, on a typical bigger project remodeling like
a whole whole house or maybe the main level, those
those projects tend to spend four or five six months
in design. And I think at first, if you ask us,
I'll be honest with you and tell you that, and
I get a lot of looks like, how could it
possibly take that long? But we're we're actually not the
(29:39):
ones setting the pace for that, right, You're not on
a schedule. So if a howner is maybe start of
the design process themselves or with somebody else, and they
come to us and they know mostly what they want,
they're ninety percent of the way there. They they're super
decisive and don't need reaction time on anything. Yeah, it
(30:00):
goes quicker. Most people when when we start that design process,
they have a good idea, they've got a wish list.
We organize that. We start with preliminary designs. Once we
get in the design process, we hand those back to
you and most people don't look at it, go okay,
let's change this as this and I'm ready. It's like
(30:21):
I call reaction time. You take it home. You might
let it sit for day or two, and then you know,
generally within a week or two, people are getting back Okay,
now let's move it. So you're kicking this can down
the road and moving in a general direction. And so
when the time is right okay, it's kind of apparent
to everybody that this is ready to go. Now we
(30:42):
can make decisions and start picking out products and things
like that. So yeah, for us, that design process is
we call it from first meeting until a contract is written,
and after that we're in the construction phase with that
pace too.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I think sometimes people are surprised when they, you know,
one they think, oh, well, that seems seems like it's
it's actually does move. I think, as you point out,
as as the homeowner dictates, is they're really setting the
pace on this. But the other thing that I don't
know that people you know, until they've gone through it
or are experiencing it firsthand. It's something that I think
(31:18):
homeowners really appreciate once they're in it, Like it gives
us time to think, it gives us a chance to
do this stuff. And again, as you point out, if
there are people that are super decisive or or already
kind of know what they're going to do, and there's
just a couple of real minor things tron out. They
set the pace that can be I know you guys, yeah,
I would love to from the other side of the coin.
I guarantee your guys, the sooner the better they can
(31:39):
get in and get the project going. But doing right
by the home, doing right by the homeowner requires this.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Time, and I think it needs to follow its natural course,
like you know, if you're going to force it, if
you're gonna try and speed this ut. I think people
make better, better choices, better decisions when they're not you know,
when they're not seeing the window closed, like when they
feel like they've got enough time to comfortably make those choices.
And in the end that's good for everybody. It's good
for homeowner, good for us, good for the house. So yeah,
(32:08):
and then on the timeline for getting the job done,
it's it's amazing how many how many times it's uh,
projects take about as long in construction as they took
and design. So a whole house remodels a good number
to start with. Good around number is like a six
month period because sometimes whole house remodels have have an
(32:30):
addition or or we were rebuilding part of that house
or we're really making some heavy duty changes. If we're
not doing porn concrete. Okay, that number tends to slide down.
Something goes a little quicker. There's a there's a scale too.
If it's if it's a great big house and and
it's really old, those are things that can factor into
(32:52):
the timeline. Older houses take longer remodel. Bigger houses take
longer remodel. So, like I've try to tell my wife,
a small square box is like the most efficient to build,
most efficient to heat and cool. Uh, you know it
doesn't take that long to design. It's that fancy. Uh,
(33:12):
pretty pretty reasonable to put together. But you know it's not.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Good luck, by the way, by the way with these
bigger projects too. Obviously, permits are needed for no matter what.
But if you're if you're going up or out, there's
there's more to it, isn't there.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, really had.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
A camera on you, but I was telling you go
ahead and make the hangings.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, permitting has gotten to be a more challenging, lengthy process.
And uh, I would never deem myself to pick on
the inspectors. So we love them all. You're a great Yeah.
So uh, if you go into a bigger entity like
Mike Madison versus h for where you're at. It's a
(33:57):
different process for any remodel in Madison. When we submit
to a permit, it goes through a plan review, and
the person that does that isn't necessarily the person that's
out inspecting and watching this work get done. So I
think there's there's more questions that can take longer, and
sometimes we have to do quite a bit more work
on the design side to satisfy those people, and other
(34:22):
are times that kind of whips right through just like, Okay,
this was no problem. So I don't know, explain that
to me. When you go to an adjutant or whatever.
I think they rely more on the actual boots on
the ground inspector because yeah, it's just the volume is different, right,
they don't They don't have to. You don't have to
handle the amount of a volume there that they do
in a Madison proper And so we are it's easier
(34:43):
for us to build a relationship with that inspector and
that that process can move a little quicker because if
we have a question, we can we can call them
and it's just a different deal when you're working in Maybury,
versus I don't know, what's a big town in North Carolina. Yeah,
Charlotte or something. So yeah, I don't know if that
answered the question, but that that printing process we've had
(35:06):
up until the last couple of years has been a
really repeatable thing. It might take us a few weeks
to a couple of months to get a permit. We've
had permits now in the last couple of years that
have taken us six months to get and it's very frustrating,
very long process. Once we get rolling, we seem to
be fine, but it's getting through that upfront process sometimes
(35:27):
that can be a challenge.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It's obviously as we talk about talking about some of
those some of those permits other things and understanding how
those systems work. And that's one of the cool things too,
is you know, as you're doing these different projects and
working with folks that do this day in and day out,
kind of understanding the last thing you want to do
is do a big, big addition only to have the
inspire to come by and say.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Hey, you need to move that wall for it that way,
to stop you for a while. Yeah, exactly exactly what
does happen?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
It does, and that's that's as we talked this morning
with Mike two Egg of Edge Construction talking about kind
of the planning that goes into a bigger project, those
whole home runs models and maybe a floor remodel on
those type of projects. Of course, if you think about
doing something like that, big or small, Micae the team
at Edge Construction love to talk to you to make
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Speaker 2 (36:21):
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Speaker 2 (36:47):
That you work on. Yeah, I, much to my wife's chagrin,
I don't go home and make cool stuff out of
wood do it all day so I like working on
old stuff, old cars. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Do we get as we talk about part of whole
Homer money, do you have people are saying, you know,
we want to extend, expend our garage or put to
do like a workshop as part of us.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I do what I'm all for it. Yes, more and
more old cool stuff and garages is the best. We
did one recently down on Lake Monona and Homewer had
a small you know, this is one hundred plus year
old house, beautiful brickhouse. We had remodeled. Actually, no, I'm
(37:26):
trying to think here. We've been in there a few
times rottling things. I think this was the first time
we were in there was maybe three years ago. Anyways,
we took out they had a small, one car attached garage,
remember those kind of and to say it was a
one car is like kind of a stratue. It had
been you know, pretty small, yeah, to get it in there. Anyways,
this had a few cars that he had was storing,
(37:47):
and so we built a garage kind of. We took
the one car garage off, made the driveway swing around back.
They had a pretty good size backyard, got a two
car garage back there where you could any put a
put car sack in there? So it was engineering. It
is an engineering feet We couldn't go over like I
think twenty four feet to the top very peak of
the top of that roof. We're get in trouble with
(38:10):
the city. We were under lots of restrictions there, but
made it work. And now he has four cars and
a two car garage. Wow. Pretty cool and and uh,
I think we just about always have something in the design.
It's a it's a it's a very popular question. Okay,
can I add onto my garage? Can I add a garage?
(38:31):
And you know people have.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Stuff, so yeah, it's a it's a good it's a
good conversation.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
It's good to see too.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
As we were talking earlier about you know, about putting
money into your into your house and you know, staying
there for the long term and really looking big picture
stuff having like space to do things like work on
cars or story or tool I mean, the more stuff
you can do yourself.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
What a what a saving I was joke my you know,
if I say to my wife, I saw a cool house,
she me what color it is? And my friends that
our car guys would say, how big was the They
didn't care about the house.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Do you got by the way, do you guys get
called into speaking of garages? I know, I don't know
if the term is still man cave or what we're calling.
Do you get like projects like I know, I know
you get manned cave projects? You ever get like guys
saying this is my man cave. I want you guys
to to work on this project.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
And I think I was looking at like, we give
them a heck of a head start. Okay, yeah, so
we'll we'll finish it out. We'll make the inside like,
you know, a clean slate for you to get started on.
It is fun to, you know, to see how much
aftermarket stuff. I mean, if you're handy at all, it's
not hard to customize your garage. We did customize one
(39:43):
a few years ago that it was taller on the inside.
Homer actually put a golf simulator. Oh okay, I got
to drop down like curtain thing and go in there
and hit golf balls. Uh. And they had a We
did a bunch of custom cabinets for tools and things.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
But my favorite part of that garage was the hot
drug roller hot dog roll like from a gas stationing. Yes, oh,
my gosh, that is so cool. That is that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Play golf with your buddies. Maybe have yourself a beer
and uh, I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I can tell your wheels. I'm thinking about to get
those tornadoes at quick Trip. You ever get one of
those things? Oh my gosh, Mike, what a what a
what a blessing that would be?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
What a guy.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
We talked with Mike about about remodeling and again thinking
about doing something, whether it's just a real simple like
you want to update the bathroom in the kitchen, or
maybe you want to add us at a level at
a garage. I'll add some space to the basement, anything
like that. Michael Team at Edge Construction left talking to
Today's NY pick up phone. Give a call six eight
six three six three three four three that number six
three six edge online, Edge Construction Company dot com at
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