Design - Build - Talk

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six three three four three that numbersix three six Edge. Join this morning
by Mike twoago of Edge Construction.Mike, how you doing this week?
Great? Sean h It's great tosee you and and great to have you
have you in studio this morning asalways, And you know before the show,
you and I were talking about aboutjust kind of work and work ethic
and keeping busy. And one ofthe things that's great about Edge Construction is
your guys they love what they do. They love being busy, which is

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which is a bit that's that isa big deal for folks, isn't it.
Well, I think I think ifyou're if you're in construction, like
the on the back side of construction, peek in the back door, probably
your biggest one of your biggest worriesreally isn't like how you're gonna do this
cool thing or how you're going toget through your day, is having steady
work. It's a weird business wherea lot of things you're depending on a

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lot of other people and other tradessometimes uh to get their job done so
you can get your job done,and uh, you know, we a
lot of times are waiting for designersto to finish up with designs and contracts
and things before. So like beingsteady is like the some of our some
of the people that have been aroundfor for times where you know, the

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sun has shown for a while herewe've been busy for a long time,
but there have been times that arein the past where where we're kind of
shuts down around the area And ifyou remember that in your in construction,
that's it's those aren't pleasant memories?You really like it when it's busy.
It seems like the guys and galsthat have gone through that they're the ones
the first one's picked up a broom. When it gets slow, they're always
moving time enough to lean. Yeah, we're going to talk this week about

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as as we talk about edge construction, design build and what that is,
and and a little bit about abouttimes when you would want to hire and
design build. I know, isone of those terms that gets thrown around
quite a bit and seems like everybodylikes to throw that throw that name out
there. What exactly kind of technicallyor or in the industry, if somebody
says we're designed build, what isthat actually? Well, it's uh,

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it's kind of a term that Iactually made fun of for a while when
it first showed up, because Inoticed about maybe I don't know, maybe
fifteen years ago was the first timeI had really heard it, and I
noticed that everybody that was no matterwhat size and whether or not they had
design capabilities, you know, assoon as they bought software, they considered

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themselves to design build. And soI looked at it like it was too
big of an umbrella. Like Ihave always believed in specialization even though now
we do a lot more things.But you know, we definitely started off
as an inside company. We dida lot of kitchens and bass and lower
levels, and we still do.That's the mainstay of our business. And

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as we've grown and added designers andadded all the things that make us design
build Now. So you can makefun of me if you want, it's
the truth, just being honest.I was It was interesting. I I
I was out of town last weekfor a couple of days. Actually went
to a factory of a product thatI believe we're gonna carry and I'm really

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excited about. But I can't talkabout it yet. But I was there
eating dinner at night and by myselfand that guy sat next man. We
got talking and he said, whatdo you what do you You're in construction?
What do you do? He said, We're a design building. I
said, oh, you like we'reat Well it turns out they were actually
design build in commercial construction. Ohso even they're calling themselves design build now.

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Is there is there something too aswe talk about that term. I
know in carpentry, different levels,right, there's there's different skill sets,
different levels of you know, andthe guys who do framing, for example,
not the same guys generally that thatare doing cabinetry or staircase. Do
we see the same thing on thekind of different levels of design as well
and capabilities. And I know,for example, as we talk about Heather

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and others at at edge construction designers, that's a different level than like than
like most people probably realize, isn'tit. It is uh. And we
have sort of graduated into our groupand Heather's Heather's group really she runs the
designers and the sales side for us. And the software has definitely helped,

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you know. We we had Jim, we had an on staff architect for
for many years. Jim retired andI was enjoying joining the life, I
think, enjoying the gym life anduh and and that is great, super
happy for him. At the sametime, we we you know, we
did he consulted back to us onsome things just to get us over the

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top on some bigger projects, becauseyou know, design has generally thought of
as the stuff you see the thecabinets and paint colors and countertops and and
all those all those finishes, youknow, flooring, and we we have
all that we expect all all that, all that kind of help out of
our designers, but they have gotteninto now we've graduated to where we are.

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The past few full houses that we'vebuilt, we've designed in house,
certainly all the big additions, whichare much tougher, you know, if
we're tearing a roof off and goingup. Now, we do rely on
engineers for some of our some ofour load carrying capabilities, you know,
and just to verify our math onthings. But there's an amazing amount of

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design that you can do in housenow, especially for a company like us.
What about there's a Facebook group thatI'm part of. It's for real
estate folks, but they'll post likepictures of kind of design quarks in side
homes and be like, you're listingthis home, how would you describe it?
Like just kind of like sometimes weirddesigns that got overlooked in the process.

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How much does it like when wetalk about what you guys are doing
at Edge Construction Experience and you mentionedthe tools. Tools are great, it's
you know, any tools can makea job much easier, but not everybody
is capable of. Like a hammerin your hand is much more, much
more effective than one in mind justbecause you and I have that same tool,
and I feel like the same thingwith some of this design stuff is

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just because you've got certain tools doesn'tmean that you're not the one that's designing
those weird quarks in a house thatreal estate agents are going, how do
you describe this thing? Always easyto go, you know, after the
fact, to go, hey,why did they do this? And from
our we talked about that a lotat edge just in our with our with

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our group, because you know,the more complicated design gets, the more
the more you're doing in a structure, the more you're doing in a house,
the better the chance is that you'regoing to overlook something or just not
see it. You know, youget this tunnel vision. And so we
have several in house designers I lookat it. So we'll have uh my

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guy Ryan that runs the framers,will he'll red line a plan and go,
you know we can't do that.We need to you know, normal
stuff will not span this. Well, we'll try. We'll run it through
our whole group. Even if oneperson does the design work, does the
cat work on it, We're gonnarun through everybody because that's what we're looking
for. We're looking for that,that mistake, and I'll tell you on
that we almost made recently. It'son a new build that's coming up for

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us. And I again I said, we we don't. That's not our
specially, I don't. We doone or two houses a year. They
tend to be something unusual to startwith, and this one has it's going
to have a really dramatic walk inpantry. And for some reason, we
had drawn the pantry uh like fourfeet deep. And finally a friend of

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mine look at the I'm like,there's something in this plan that's bothering me.
I just don't know what. Anda friend of mine that's also in
construction, I just sent him onthe plan and he said, hey,
you know, if you're if youhave two feet of cabinets a little more,
you only have you know, twofeet for somebody to stand there and
actually work. That's going to bereally uncomfortable. And so it was.
It was a really basic catch andmaybe it would have been okay, I

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don't think I don't think it wouldhave been. We actually had to add
a foot onto the width of thehouse to get it fitted, you know,
to fit it in there. Right. But but it was very tough
to catch those those one off things. What about those thing you know,
having those sets of eyes with theexperience, and that's I think one of
those areas is you know, we'veyou and I have been doing this show
for over ten years and you beenin a carpenter for a little more.

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But but there's there's there's obviously wisdomcomes through experience having seen things before or
or you know, just being inthe business. Obviously there is roles for
for people just getting started, andthere's there's stuff for them to do.
But really having that experience of doingso many houses over the over the years

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really is a great benefit to whenit comes to design and that design build.
It is because and and and pairingthat with you know, you've got
this marriage of design and construction andthat that to me is the true design
build. Okay, if you're ifyou're if you're a if you're a builder

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modeler, and and you you havecab capability, you've got some design capability,
but you're not actually building things.You know, you don't your people
aren't building. If you're something out, I mean something out sometimes to people
like us to build their stuff.To me, that's not the true marriage
of design and construction for us.It's really a resource I think for our

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designers. Now, they aren't alwayshappy when I say, hey, we
can't build it that way. It'snot I know you drew the program.
Lets you draw it that way.Sure, that doesn't mean it's feasible to
build it that way. And sowe've there are some kind of rules of
thumb from our side to where wego. Listen, we know if we're
going to get a span of overtwelve or thirteen feet right here, we're
going to have a lot of problems, and so what can we do to

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fix that? And that's that's thatthing where now I would say designers win
like eighty percent of the argument.Sean like, I don't know. They're
hard to argue and when you whenyou see the results, okay, it's
it's I think almost always worth itto design should come first, is my
point, I guess. But itsure is nice to have both those capabilities

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in the house. Talker this morningwith like twoing owner at Age Construction the
website Edge Construction Company dot com.That's all one word Edge Construction Company dot
com number six So eight six threesix three three four three, So eas
remember that number, that's six threesix edge talking about hiring a design build
firm, what what they are,and of course a little bit about edge

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construction how that works. We're actuallygoing to talk also a little bit later
in the program about some contract stuffand nuts and bolts and some of the
other other different things that are justvital when it comes to home re modeling.
But Mike, as we talk aboutdesign build and kind of working through
that process, let's talk about youwere mentioning earlier that that designers can kind
of design and design is the startingpoint of that for a lot of homeowners.

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That's obviously the first first step aswell, is kind of meeting with
the designer, isn't it it is? And that we're going to come I'm
always on that first meeting. We'vecome out usually Heather, he was head
of our design department, and myself, and we're going to brain sparm that
project. We're going to be talkingabout this and we're gonna be we're gonna

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be those problems that you mentioned,those little what did you call them,
those quarts? Yeah, of course, yeah, it works. Those those
areas were on the lookout for thatbecause in our eyes. This is the
chance to fix that. And sometimesthose if you've lived in a house long
enough, you know, you justyou have sort of a tunnel vision.
You got the blinders on. Youdon't realize that this is a weird space
and it should ever been that way, you know, A case in point.

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So there's we've worked on a tonof eighties and nineties houses and there's
this super popular plan and a wayof doing the kitchen. It was kind
of a U shaped kitchen. There'sa patty door right next to it that
goes out, and the dining roomtable sits in front of it. In
those kitchens, it's very tough toget an island a lot, maybe a
peninsula once in a while. We'vefigured out some ways to get islands in

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there. The appliances really encroach.You know, you've got a nice big
fridge, it's going to take upa little too much space. So we
figured out ways around that. Buta fatal flaw in those kitchens are there's
no space around the stove. Soif you're it's usually kind of on an
end wall, it's got like afoot of counter space on either side.
And so like that's one of thosethings, right away, we're going,

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Okay, how do we fix this? How do we change this? And
we know just when we're walking intothat era of house almost almost one hundred
percent of the time what you're goingto see. So you know, having
a lot of experience with doing thatis certainly helpful. As soon as you
describe it. I know exactly that. And it's annoying you can't to walk
around your table to grow outside it. Yeah, so it was you know,

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it's just a sign of the times. I I don't think they did.
There wasn't the emphasis on design backthen. It was like, okay,
let's open things up. And youknow, builders as as in general,
get in habits too, and whatworks for one is going to suddenly
start working for another, and you'rejust going to see those trends kind of
work their way through. It's oneof those areas too, is is for

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folks that have a chance to headon over to edge Construction Company dot com
talk about some of those typical beforepictures. It's one of the cool things
to see is when you go toedge Construction Company dot com looking at those
kitchens or bathroom or eastments or editions, kind of seeing some of that before
and after and seeing those You'll seethat kitchen before you'll be like, I've
seen that that looks like mine.And then you see the after You're like,

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oh my goodness, how are theyable to do that? It's a
really cool using that slider and someother things. What the possibilities are when
it comes to doing some remodeling.You've got questions about remoding me thinking about
doing it? Of course, youcan learn more about Edge Construction on their
website Edgeconstruction Company dot com, alwaysupdating it with recent projects. Also links
there to Facebook, Pinterest and theBiggie hows Houzz, all available to you

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at Edge Construction Company dot com.Twelve number six o eight six three six
three three four three. That's sixthree six Edge. We'll tinue our conversation
with Mike two Wig of Edge Constructionas the Homer Modeling Show continues next right
here on thirteen ten WIBA. Thisis the Homer Modeling Show, brought to

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you by Edge Construction. The websiteEdgeconstruction Company dot com. That's Edgeconstruction Company
dot com. Great website. They'retwelve number six eight six three six three
three four three That number six threesix Edge Hanging out with Mike two Egg,
owner of Edge Construction, this morningand talking about design, build and
design is is obviously something that's verywell showcased. And I talk about the

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website Edge Construction Company dot com.You've got some work you've done on the
website. You're always updating that.But howses a big one to kind of
kind of show off the work thatyou do at Edge Construction. And I
know one of those interesting facets iseverybody wants to show off the big the
grand projects, these these big,big things where budget and everything is is

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not really much of an option,which obviously you guys do do that Edge
Construction. But the other thing too, and I know that you get a
lot of response for this, isyou show the projects the smaller scale,
the real I think what you havea term normal normal land. Yes,
you like to highlight those and peopleget that and for good reason. That's
that's really most of what you're doingis you know what, it's a smaller

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house on the isthmus or we're talkingabout those eighties nineties kind of kitchen,
dining rooms, slider kind of remodels. That's really for most people what they're
looking to do is have those spacesremodeled, isn't it. Well, most
people live in normally, Yes,that's my thought. We have a lot
of good people that we put foodon their table, so it takes quite
a bit of work to keep thembusy and happy and healthy. And so

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you can't ignore, you can.There are only so many like super high
end top of the heat projects,right, and so they come our way
once in a while, by theway, and it's not like we turn
them down when they when they comeour way, we like them too.
But you can see by our websiteon house I think we have almost one
hundred and seventy projects on house Wowand counting. So it's it's normal stuff.

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But I but I I feel like, okay, it's normal to go
to the pictures, right if yougo to the picture to the starting point
of some of One of the mostinteresting jobs we did last year was it's
a sixties house, maybe an earlysixties house near West Side, beautiful neighborhood

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house was you know, everything iskind of dated over there. They had
they had one bathroom and upstairs,and then at some point somebody had finished
the basement and they had put abathroom down there. So at least they
had one bathroom when the other onewas so it was a richt a weird
bathroom. It was quirky. Iguess had had a strange design and our

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designers and home owner want to putit to us, Hey, is there
any way we can combine this weirdbathroom with a closet that happens to next
to it and make two of thesmallest bathrooms on earth? Basically so,
but we still have to adhere tothe codes right when we're when we're doing
this stuff, so there are limitsto the to the size you can make
them, and those That's one ofthe most interesting and fun design challenges that

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we had because literally there's not ahalf inch to spare in these bathrooms like
we had to have. You haveto have thirty inches around, you know,
you have to have a thirty inchclear span over your toilet. I
mean we had literally thirty inches therewas it was not it couldn't have been
an eighth inch less and and metcode. We still got two a nice

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tile walk in shower in one bathIt turned out to be the master even
though it's not very masterly, nothuge, but it's really nice finishes and
beautiful design. So if you lookat this, you're thinking, wow,
this is a high end It lookslike a high end product, and it
is, but it didn't really comeat a high end price because you know,
our starting point is cooler. Wedidn't change that. We don't change

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that when we're when we're when we'redoing something that's really fancy. The tile
I picked out as beautiful, butI know it fit well into budgets.
It's it's out of our showroom.Our people are our guy Eli, he
did the tile there. I givecredit to our designers, even though at
the time we were probably not toohappy with them, because it really was
a challenge. We do that withwith built in medicine cabinets that are four

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feet wide in there, and yousee all these little challenges. The sink
and vanity were so small actually thatwe did a wall mount. We did
wall mount fixtures, faucet and soyou know, it looks nice, Yes,
it looks very nice, looks cool. I really like it. But
there's a reason that it's there.Yeah, that design, that design was

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was well planned. Something you touchedon there as well was meeting with homeowners
and we were talking earlier about sometimesas homeowners, we become blind to to
issues. But also sometimes as homeownersthe exact opposite. We may see things
or think of things because we knowwe know those pain points, we know
those places that just things that justdon't work. More annoyed every day exactly

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exactly you start to notice those thingsor saying, hey, we've got this,
you know this, this this closetnext to the bathroom, we don't
really use that closet space. Whatif we were to take that out of
there and expand and And I thinkthat probably goes back to those those meetings
with design and you and the homeownerearly on to kind of walk and work
through that stuff. I've always thought, before you do major remodeling, you

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should live in the house for acouple of years, right, because then
you get to see, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna. Once
this house is a little more livedin, you're gonna go, boy,
that really does bug me? Oror this this flooring in here is the
grout's coming out of the tile,the whatever, the woodflorest buckling. Something's
wrong. There's been issues in thepast clearly that might have got covered up.

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You're gonna, you're gonna notice allthose things. And that is helpful
to us on the design side too, because it's it's really great. Sometimes
we walk in and people will havean actual list, like they're like,
you want me to email us toit? Yes, please do that because
it's this laundry list of hey,you know if pine the sky, can

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we do all this? Can wefix this? And we're going to Initially,
what I'm getting to is we havethat initial meeting. That's what we
want to get to. We're tryingto get We're trying to build that list.
If you haven't done it, orif you've got it, maybe we're
trying and add to it, andthen we want to see what it would
take to do the whole thing.Now almost almost nobody does everything look on

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the list, just so you know. But but if we can tackle eighty
or ninety percent of that and reallysolve a lot of problems and give you
something that is that is you know, modern and nice and fits your style,
and it's just very satisfying for ustoo. That's pretty amazing stuff.
As you see us we were talkingto about How's earlier, and of course

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the website Edgeconstruction Company dot com andthose projects. Definitely check them out Edge
Construction Company dot com. Check thatlink to howles will probably touch on a
couple more projects as well. Soit's definitely, as they would say,
behooves you. I think it's goingto be our word another word for the
morning. To check that out andEdge Construction Company com top number six so
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this week with my two wag ofEdge Construction about design build what that means
when you're hiring a design build firmhow does that work, and specifically how
does the design and build work withEdge Construction and Mike. There's obviously great

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efficiencies when it's all in house,but there's also, as we mentioned Heather's
name a couple of times this week, it's good that not only obviously are
you guys working together, but butyou have an understanding of each other right
that, And it's it's hard toquantify the benefit there other than I think
for anybody that's worked with somebody fora long time, there there is something

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to be said for having that thatthat working relationship and understanding of how each
part works, yes versus the Theother way to go with it is,
you know, you you can contractout your design capabilities. You can hire
designers to design for you, youcan hire architects to draw for you.
There's nothing wrong with that. I'mnot saying there's anything wrong with that.

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And on the reverse side, youcan you can hire, you can put
everything out to bid, you canhave you can have your your carpentry side,
you can have people put a priceon that and sign a contract and
do it. But I think youmiss something in the translation, like there's
times that we learn from each otherand there's also like, oh here here's

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a great example. So like forus, when you have strong designers,
what I don't want is that whatwhat they like, what they personally like,
ends up in too much of thedesign. Like it's it's got to
be personalized for a howner. Thisis something that that he is really great
at, by the way, andher group is great at it. But

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I think it does. You've gotto be careful of this. You need
you need some outside of accountability,whether it's our construction side or the other
designers, and to make sure thatyour your designs are are still unique for
a homeowner and and that there wishis our come come true. That that

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process can be tough. Sometimes ownersdon't know what the homeowners don't know what
they want, and and it iseasy to let things slide in there that
you like builders. That happens toall the time. Builders. You can
almost drive around town and pick outa house and go, okay, I
think I knew build that or asubdivision right, and you know, I
get it. You know there sizeand scale and efficiency and that's just how

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it happens. And and there's thingslike we used to trim houses for a
builder that loved is very very nicehouses. But the builder loved enter your
columns. Like so it's like everyhouse was like a Roman, you know,
promenade or something. Anyway, he'sgot all these columns and columns went
on style. At one point I'mlike, hey, dude, we got
to get read these columns. Yeah, but he liked the columns, you

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know, and and apparently as homeowners, you know, a lot of them
did like the columns. Eventually,I think they kind of did go away.
But you know, you have tobe careful of that, right.
You don't want to be the barbergiven the same haircut every customer. So
I think there's a lot of benefitsto having you know, I think that
our our our two sides, ourdesign side and our construction side. We

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sort of push each other too ifsomething could have been designed better, or
you know, we when we're whenwe're installing, we go, okay,
we this would have been so mucheasier if you had drawn it this way.
We'll get that feedback and the sametoken though. The our designers will
come through and go, boy,I don't like how you did it.
You're going to have to change it. And they in our company, they

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kind of have that power to dothat. So because I do have this
theory that design comes first, youknow, solve your construction problems and make
the design work. I mean,that's sort of how it's got to be.
What It's interesting by the way,you know, you know, you
and I have been working together along time when you hadn't even used the
word unique design yet, but Ihad written down unique design and then you

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said, I'm like, boy,Mike and I have been doing this,
but but that is an area andI think you you mentioned like the barber
that's giving the same the same air. That is a that is for people
that don't know. That is abig priority for you, is that that
that design be unique. We're nottalking about radical, We're talking about that
each house. Yeah, it's special. It's something that you're devoting time and

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and and authenticic and uniqueness to everybody'sdesign. That's a big deal for you.
It is, and I think ithappens by spending enough time in design.
Like when when Homer starts this process, I think they're thinking, Okay,
what's this design going to cost me? Well, you're paying for design,
whether you know it or not.In any project there's time that's spent
on thinking about this stuff. Sowe don't really kind of outright charge like

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per the hour for design. ButI like to follow its process. I
like it to follow its process becausethere's a lot of reasons for that.
For one, if if we pushit too fast, I think then then
too many of the designer's opinions endup in the final design. And homeowners
don't do this every day. SoI think there's a lot of homeowners.

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Okay, there's a few that comein and they know exactly what they want.
Super it's super easy. We justboom boom boom, pick it out.
They're happy, They never a secondguess themselves. I'm not that way,
like you know, if I wason the other side, I would
need time because you know, sometimesthat product that you pick out, and
we know this can happen in ourshowroom. That's why we send cabinet samples

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home with people and counter to stopsamples home with people. We want you
to see it in your space becauseyou know, in a showroom a lot
of stuff can look really good,you know, I mean the lighting is
probably better. You're in the situationwhere it's fun, you're picking out things.
You're looking at all this new productand it's exciting you get it back
to your house. You're going,I don't know if I can envision this

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product in my house. Okay,now we got to rethink. But but
it's still a step forward, right, That's still a step forward. You
know, as we're talking about someunique design as well and hows, there's
also the input and output from howsand and there's obviously input and work.
We'll get into this a little bitmore as people seeing ideas on hows and
bring them bringing them to you guys, say, and to kind of develop

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what it is, what their tastes, what theirselves. But there's also the
output side with Edge Construction. Youguys obviously put your work on HOWSE a
lot of it, and people areseeing those designs and you'll tell right away.
By the way, as we weretalking about unique designs, each each
project treated with special attention to beunique, to be its own project.
That not only obviously for the homeownersis great, but for people not only

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I was going to say cross thecountry, but I feel like I'm sure
selling it around the globe literally goingto edge construction pinning or I think what's
the term that you use in house. It's it's like tagging tag. Yeah,
how much your stuff gets shared inyour in your designs gets shared globally
because of that of that specialized attention. That's kind of that that that output

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that you guys are doing there it'sconstruction. Well, yeah, it is
helpful because one of the first questionsI'm going to ask you when we come
to your house is have you builta library online anywhere? And what I
mean is on howse you can?You can open up one of our projects
you go, oh, this caughtmy eye. Open it up. Okay,
that project probably has twenty or thirtypictures on there. I'm going to

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take a few of those that Ilike and stick them in my little account
on hows and then that's how youbuild design ideas. It's not tearing things
out of magazines anymore. It's it'spictures online. It's it's things like this.
So are just as a just togive you some idea of how the
last time I checked our metrics,I think just on our our projects and

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our page people around the world,I wish it was all here are saving
about thirty thousand pictures a month.I mean that's every month. It's just
a crazy amount of pictures. Sothere's a lot of people using house.
It's it's turned into this clearinghouse fordesign. We have things on Pinterest too.
You can find things on there,and I know our design gang will

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we'll talk you through that and helpyou with that, and they'll I've seen
our designers even build build libraries forhomeowners, like we're they're finding things that
they think based on what they've seenfrom the owner or in your house or
through talks with you, they'll buildlibraries for you and and share that so

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you go, oh, yeah,I do like that, don't like this.
And one of the things that wementioned kind of that input partage,
which with folks putting together that thatthat package of like what they like and
it's not we're not talking then aboutwe're gonna replicate this exactly. This is
really when you when you bring thoseideas to the designers, they know that

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helps them kind of envision what yourtastes are and then kind of work off
of that to create that unique space. Yeah, it's almost like if you
bring a picture that's and you sayI don't like this, that's valuable.
If you bring a picture that whereyou say, and this happens a lot
where people say I like it,but I don't know what I like about
it. For a good designer,that's gonna that's gonna be pretty telling,
and they're going to go, oh, if they like this, they're probably

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gonna like some of these things,and it helps we narrow down the choices
a little bit. I think,you know, even in our showroom,
we we we coast through a lotof the suppliers in the area we pull
out of their showrooms. It's thingsthat we think are cool and trendy.
It's also things that fit into atraditional design, but it's also stuff that

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is budget friendly or works in budgets. I know I've said a million times
the cool product is not always themost expensive product, but you need to
know how to find that product.And I think it can be overwhelming for
homeowners. We hear that quite abit. You know, they went looked
at flooring and there's just there's somany choices. Well, ninety nine percent
of those would be get eliminated rightaway with the help of a good designer.

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What about you mentioned the showroom andhaving you know, having samples and
stuff. I mean the idea ofbeing able to hold something in your hand.
My wife, this is back rightwhen we got married, Houstad.
I'm not going to out them,but there was some It was a web,
not a web, but a magazinethat her and her officemates used to
get and they would buy things fromit, and it was all stuff from
overseas, very poor quality. Andyou compare the picture with what they received

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very different. Pictures can be deceivingand and you know, I think of
like tile backsplash. I see obviouslythe work that you guys do at edge
construction, and see the materials that'susing beautiful not only in pictures but in
person. I've seen pictures of thingslike backsplashes where it's like almost like a
piece of paper where people are peelingoff and they stick it on the wall.

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That looks in the picture, butthe reality it's not the same thing.
Having having the showroom and having sampleson hand, what a great benefit
that is for for homeowners of kindof like putting this stuff all together and
actually feeling and understanding what that productis that that's going to be installed it
it does, And that's really howdesign should work, right. You should

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have you should be picking out youryour kind of top with your cabinets.
You shouldn't have to go to adifferent place to put that together. Now,
we used to do that before wehad all this and and we made
it work. But that stuff needsto happen at the same time you're flooring.
It's gonna it's gonna be really determinedby some of those things. And

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you know, you think of allthe things you see in a kitchen,
all those finishes from appliances, cabinets, countertops, flooring, pink color lighting
fixtures. I'm at six those areThey're all things, plumbing fixtures, seven,
all all things that need to worktogether. And uh, I think
it can be overwhelming for a lotof people. How many square feet is

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our showroom? Yeah, I thinkwe have about six thousand square feet.
That's pretty good. So like we'retrying to show, you know, we've
got a good representation of our cabinetryand countertops, plumbing fixtures. We've got
a walk in tile shower, We'vegot all those things that kind of show

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what we do a lot of Ithink, and and then obviously you know
the pictures online help us out quitexactly. I like, because I'm as
square foot and I don't think I'veever asked big. I think if anybody,
yeah, it is a f sizeand that's it's It's a great thing
to see. As we talk withMike two EG, owner of Edge Construction,
talk a little bit more about designbuild. We'll talk a little bit

(35:07):
too about when it comes to kindof putting that contract together, how this
stuff all works, that nuts andbolts area. We'll get to that in
so much more. In the meantime, I've been to the website recently.
Check them out online. Edge ConstructionCompany dot com. That's Edge Construction Company
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an exciting show, a lot offantastic information. You can always listen back
and only at Edge Construction Company dotcom, but also wiva dot com or
the iHeartRadio app. Check out thepodcast and mic and it's been talking about
design build. We talked about theimportance of you know, those upfront meetings
and going through the design process.Something that I've been doing this show with
you over the years I've come tocome to fully appreciate which I didn't know

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that I would was, is thecontract court is like, remember the first
time we brought it down exciting,it doesn't And now it's like, it's
such an important and it is anexciting part of it because you talk about
things that can save headaches and problemsand issues. A good contract is good
for everybody, isn't it. Well, it's it's Money's such an uncomfortable subject,

(36:37):
sure, and so but it obviouslyneeds to be dealt with. And
so I know we've talked in thepast that you can kind of look at
this this deal like a little bitof a short term marriage between Edge Construction
and a homeowner. And it's It'strue, we come together with a contract.
It ties us together. It laysout responsibilities for both sides, you

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know, like like Homewner has touh, they have things they need to
do, they need to and theyneed to make sure we get paid.
And from our side, there's awhole list of stuff, a lot more
things involved in the contract, butit lays it all out. And what
it's trying to do is is reallyjust to be an honest go between between
the homeowners, kind of legislating howwe're all going to act and what what

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the work is, what work isgoing to get done in the next two,
three, four, five, sixmonths. So contracts very important for
homeowner. By the way, makesa It forces us to tell you how
much insurance we have and covers thingslike exclusions. Okay, if we if
we need to stay out of thisarea, leave something in there, not

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demo something that's really important to you, We're gonna we gotta make sure we
do that. It might talk abouthow we have access to your house.
That's that's a big one. Soit protects both sides our contract. The
front part of it is going tofeel more like legal mumble jump and it's
and it is and it's and it'sdoing that purpose that I just talked about.

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Uh, the back half of thatis the scope of work, and
that really is lays out what we'retrying to do is really write down every
job that has to happen in thatproject to finish it up the way you
want it. It's very hard toget everything, everything, everything in there.
But you know, if you readour scopes, they're pretty comprehensive.
I know, I've brought them infor Sean sometimes. I'm sure you're it's

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very exciting for you to look atthat. Well, we too, Mike,
when you talk about that scope ofwork. Is having clear expectations is
ambiguity doesn't? Doesn't? Boy,I must have been reading some dictionary or
something that once today ambiguity doesn't isn'tgood for anybody. It's it's not good
for the homeowner. It's also notgood for the builder either, is is

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you know? Knowing as you talkabout that scope of work, having this
document and having these you know thatdisagreed upon this is what we're going to
do. It really is benefit SupermanOfficial for everybody. Yeah, and we
want to track your rocket run onour scope. Will have all things like
color pictures of your cabinet, sentileand backsplash and cound of top and plumbing

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fixtures. And it's like all thesedouble checks that that homeowner can do during
the project that I get the rightthings. We're doing the same thing.
We're trying to we're trying to catchthings. Occasionally things get ordered right and
delivered wrong. Some once in agreat while, maybe once every couple of
years, we'll order something wrong.Believe or not, it happens. It's
human error. I get it.A lot of moving parts on these things,

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so it's really good to have onespot that you can go to and
lays it all out. And thatwas one of the you mentioned. Sometimes
I think we've probably all experienced it. I've occasionally got an Amazon package or
I open it up and that's notwhat I ordered exactly. And that happens
obviously in the construction world. Youget a faucet and you open it up,
and thanks to having that that clearscope of work look right there.

(39:58):
You can see that the model numberor the you've got pictures on there as
well for the for the plumber orwhoever's it is doing the install Willa,
it's got a you've got a greatyeah point of reference say this is right,
this isn't right. We do andit's and it's tough. I mean
there there are so many options we'vetalked about that we've done shows on that
where we've talked about all the allthe different choices you have to make,

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and so that that will that thatdocument I think gets read quite a bit
throughout the construction process, whether it'swhether it's our people or even homeowners.
That's important stuff. So talking Miketwo Wag, owner of Edge Construction,
it's a great day to start thatconversation and think about doing some remodeling.
Check out the website Edgeconstruction Company dotcom. Even easier pickup phone, give
them a call six O six threesix three three four three that number six

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