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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the homely Modeling Show with edge Construction Online
at Edgeconstruction Company dot com. Now here's your host, Sean
Preble and Mike Twoech of Edge Construction.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
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website and so did the big voice guy, Edgeconstruction Company
dot Com. Hope you have a chance to check that out.
A lot of great information about Edge Construction. Also, some
(00:35):
recent projects are featured right online. Really key though, are
those links to how's Pinterest and especially How's I mentioned
hows twice because it's important actually because I've got six again, Yes, Facebook,
Interest and hows and How's hous Easy's very important. Mike,
how you doing this morning? How about you? You and
you guys are posting on hows like weekly. That is
a constant Yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Try, Yeah, I know that our right now we're kind
of in between help on the social media side. So
if there's somebody out there that really knows what they're doing.
It wants to help us. Uh, but sore designers are
picking up the slack, and I know it's they get
awfully busy. So I think we got a backlog right now.
But House is my favorite place to go. That's when
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I when I look or even if I'm with a
homeowner and we're they want to look at our stuff.
I got a house because I know there's somewhere around
two hundred projects on there now for us, and uh,
you can find what you're looking for. And it's just
a real easy format for me to get to. And
our website is great. A lot of people love it.
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But you know, you update websites every five years maybe
or something. I don't know what the stats say you're
supposed to do that, but we're behind the ball on
that too, probably, But you know, you're you're it's it's
hard to do that and then and then carry over
all the projects that you've done in your past. So
like House is great because I mean you can go
back ten years or more on House and see things
that we were doing. And so I sometimes look back.
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I want to see how our designs are holding up,
because to me, that's really important. If you're if you're
is it worth spending all this time on design and
do this? Did the results carry through? And I think
it does pretty well. So yeah, how is my favorite spot?
And if you have a question on something, House has
a great system for you know, there's a clearing house
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of information, homeowner information in every way.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
One of the things too is I know that's great
about it and you see it and you get to
see the stats and stuff. But globally, people are accessing
the work that you're doing at edge construction. People are
looking at at your projects and saying, hey, we're going
to use that on a you know, there's there's some
of your design concepts. You know in Brazil for example,
somebody said, oh I really like that.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
So I think that sound very glamorous. So what's happening
is like when I look at our pictures. So we
got all these projects and each project has I don't know,
twenty or thirty or one hundred pictures, I don't how
many pictures. But when you're on House and you're searching
for something, you know, like if I was called the
picture in your head. So if you're going, well, I
want to a custom built in bookcase. So you can.
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You can you can do that and you can pick
the style. You can add the word craftsman or or
some other thing in there, and it will start just
giving you pictures to rotate through to find, you know,
And what you're doing is you're trying to find something
that that fits your style and that you like. And
and when you can hand something like that to a
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builder or to a modeler like us, or to a
carpenter like me and go oh okay, now I know
what you want. I know what to build, know what
to draw, and so How's has gotten very handy that way.
So yeah, even us, I don't know, it's some unbelievable
figure like fifteen thousand pictures get downloaded a month or something.
Obviously we know that's not all Madison's. It's around the world.
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But but we use it too, like we we you know,
we'll be searching for things too, and sometimes Howse is
a way to find new products. I mean, like they
showcase some products and techniques and things like that. So
house very just got to be a very useful website.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And one of the things I know that often that
goes on working with the designers is that's one of
those areas where the designers will say, if you don't
have any ideas, go to house. It is a clip.
I always forget that they have a term for I
know in Pinterest it's pinning, but I think it's it's
clipping or something where you go through you mention all
those images and kind of start putting together that that library.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Of Yes, build your library. Yeah, that's yeah. It brings
up a good point. So like, if if we come
to your place for the first time and you want
to do a kitchen or a master bathroom model, and
we ask what you want to do and you say,
I don't know, I will probably say, well, I'm going
to give you some homework. You know, you can find
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houses like yours. You can find kitchens that may not
be perfect, it may not be exactly what you want.
But if you give designers a little something, you know,
like you you're gonna give them a few ideas of
what you like. A lot of times our designers just
by coming in and seeing the things that you've purchased
over the years. You know, like if you your furniture
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and maybe some of the artwork on the walls or
colors you've picked out, or you know, they can get
indications of your style. But I like it when a
homeowner does a little homework too, So I might admonish
you a little bit and say, Okay, we need you
to start going down the rabbit hole a little bit,
just so just to see me a little more aware
of what's out there too.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's a lot of fun too.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
That's fun. That's good.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
We're gonna talk this week about about choosing the right builder.
But first, as we were talking about Pinterest, I'm gonna
guess you were sharing with me a couple of recent
staircase projects. I'm gonna guess those are gonna show up
on up on how sooner than later. And I was
asking you about this because I've I've always wondered. I know,
obviously your guys are amazing craftsmen, and you guys build
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a lot of a lot of staircases from scratch, and
I had asked you about one in particular. I said,
is that is? Is that built from scratch? You said,
oh yeah, and pretty much every if you guys are
building stairs, you're doing it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yes, yeah, piece by piece. Yeah, because it's really the
only way to have it turn out and not there
are some systems out there that will kind of pre builts.
I don't know what else to call them, but I
don't know. Maybe you couldn't tell, but if I looked
at I go, oh, I know exactly what that is.
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And they get the job done, and I understand that.
But I think like whenever we've dealt with those these
these I'm just calling pre builts, we end up with
more time just fitting them. Where we could have built
it from scratch, he'd have a better look. And so
as the we're talking about stairwork. Okay, Justin is been
with me since he was twenty years old and he's
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now like forty something. Anyways, Justin's a great carpenter, really
really our best finished carpenter and runs our our trimmers,
our finished crew. And they they there would work all,
you know, all day, every day. And you know they
do on average ten or twelve staircases a week. I mean,
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so they do. They do a lot of the new
construction side in Madison, and but a lot are really normally.
You know, there's there's six footers with open rail and
ballusters and they look great. It's it's awesome. Those aren't
the ones they send you the pictures of I justin
this morning happened to send me a couple of videos
of some houses we did in the last couple of weeks,
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and one was they were both pretty special. Both had
i would say, over fifteen sections of open handrail, so
these are very big houses and a lot of stuff
in them and fullwood tread one had fullwood treads and
one had had staircaps. So this comes in very handy
for us because for one, you know, there's a lot
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of times people don't don't realize what you can do right,
so we it's a way for somebody to know what
our capabilities are. And if we can do a house
with thirteen sections, we can certainly do years with three.
And this has gotten to be a fairly popular moodel
where maybe some outdated looks on the stairs or you know,
you can really change look at your house and it's
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normally right where you walk in, so it's one of
the first things people see, so it's really a nice update.
But yeah, it's pretty impressive when I you know, I
hadn't seen him yet, and I didn't even get to
see the houses when they were doing them, so I
was very happy since those videos.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They look amazing The other thing too that I think
is great, and it probably goes back to the earlier
conversation about design, is they look there was clearly thought
put into how not to obviously talk about the skill
of the of the Carbonder building it, but the design
that went into these is pretty amazing. I know one
of them in particular had multiple landings. I mean you
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talk about figuring all that stuff out about like how
does this all fit together? And it's really a very
impressive project.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Right And you know sometimes people for a homeowner, is
valuable able to see, oh, that's how they made that
transition there, or you know, I've got this weird landing
space and I want to do fullwood treads, and how
do we do what do we do with the landing?
What do we do with well, it's it's really nice
for us to be able to go, Okay, we'll zoom
in right here and we can show you all those
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pieces and parts. One of them happened to be a
craftsman style with white wood ballusters. The other one was
maybe a little more contemporary, had metal metal balusters, and
so it's two different looks and different colors. One was
a lighter stain, one was a darker stain, so it's
nice to have different things to look at.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
We mentioned different materials as well, and I think obviously
kitchens we talk a lot about different materials. I don't
think we always think about with staircase and other things.
Is there's a lot of options for materials being used. Obviously,
if you've got an old Victorian home, you're gonna want
to stick with wood and be very you know, very ornate.
But when you were mentioning, the one in particular has
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the dark metal and to me it looks great. But
I've got a guess for carpenters, obviously having great ones
that do this day in and day out is helpful.
But those different materials, understanding how they're gonna gonna work
together is an important part of the There's it's more
than just the beauty and design. It's also the functionality
and understanding what the materials are you're working.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
With right, and it is a challenge. I mean we
when the metal baluster thing kind of came in twenty
years ago and really started off slow, and now it's
taken over probably half of the stairwork we do. They're
not wood bowusters. That's the thin part underneath handrail that
separates the gaps there, because I thought, yeah, now I
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got to buy a grinder, and we've got to figure
out how to attach these, which you know, now we
have good systems for that to cut them and we
use a two part of pocksheed to to try and
get them not to rattle. So were attaching that, you know,
top and bottom, and it is a challenge. But I'm
laughing because Justin told me a story this morning when
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I call them out sent these videos. But hey, Justin,
nice job. This looks great. One of our newer guys
been a carpenter for maybe nine months or so and
did his first staircase, did a wood one, and Justin's
was just very helpful and a good trainer, and he
was over there talking to him and about he's going
to do one with metal, and he kind of pushed
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Justin out of the house that just all I need
is your grinder. Yeah, I think I have this. So
you know, that is very fast to be able to
do an open hand rall by the way, nine months,
So I've credit both those guys, and you know, you
gotta have the guts to try it sometimes too.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's pretty cool. By the way, speaking of different tiers,
do we still do cable and wire? I know that
was super popular and I still see it and it
looks it looks great. Are we seeing? Is that ebbing
a bit? Or is that still something?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I think it is ebbing? It's it's it rarely comes
up now for us, and I like the look. I
don't love doing them. It's very difficult to get to
do him to a certain standard. And by that I mean, okay,
you've you've got all these cables. So if you've got
six or eight cables in a in a strand in
a run of open handraw, when you start tightening up
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that one cable, you start loosening up some others. Okay,
So homeowners at his view like everything's and I don't
blame him. You know you're paying all this money. Well,
everything should be tight like a like a piano string,
like a piano wire. And uh, it's tough to do.
There's been some pushback from inspectors, to be honest, because
they say, well, it's a four inch ball, can't fit
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between your You're real, But what if I pull this
uh what if I pull this cable up a little bit?
I can easily fit a four inch ball through that spot,
and I go, well, some states have have made it
really tough to do. I think California is pretty much
made it, made it taking it off the table for
their construction side. So I like the look by the way,
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and we've done several there're always a challenge, I know. Uh,
and the cost can be a challenge to it. Like
you got some increased labor. But those little stainless deal
connectors when we have to buy those sometimes they're like
five hundred dollars for this little box you can hold
in your hand and you're going, I don't want to
mess this up, but yeah, there. I do like to
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look though.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It seems like there are a lot of maintenance going forward.
You mentioned kind of pulling up and you know, can
I fit it for I think of especially if you've
got younger folks around.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Maybe gonna stick their head, and they're going to stick
their head.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
They're going to stand on them, they're going to do
all things that just just really mess with them.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Well.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Plus, uh, you know, if you read the if you
read the manual on these things, they recommend loosening and
tightening those cables every spring and fall because when you
when it when you start heating, they start to they
start to shrink a little bit and and it doesn't
have to be much to affect everything. And if you
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and if it and if it starts uh you know,
getting more human and warming up, then they'll then they'll extend.
And so then now they feel loose and so like, yeah,
that's it's it's that without their challenge. But I said,
I do like to look it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Does it does look nice? Speak of liking the looks.
We talked about those a couple of projects as they've
been working on it with stairs at Edge Construction speaking
of checking out those stairs and other options he had
on over Edge Construction Company dot com. All one word
at edge Construction Company dot com great place to start
that journey and see some of the great projects they've
done at Edge of course links to Pinterest, Facebook and
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We did not start off talking about it. We talked
to I love. We get we get caught up. We
get distracted easily, Mike and I get distracted by shiny things,
beautiful work that you guys do, and end up off
on a on a tangent about staircases, which is something
I think. We've done whole shows on staircases in the
past for good reason, and there are there's a lot
of good reasons to be excited about them. One of
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the things that's important too, is kind of finding that
that uh, that right contractor and kind of finding ways
to work with that builder, and it is a relationship.
It's interesting you were you were talking in that last
segment about about you know, giving folks homework and some
other things. It really does become like a like a six, nine,
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twelve month depending on the scope and scale of the project.
It becomes a very, uh, very relationship during that process,
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It does. So it's it takes a lot of thought
before you get there, and it's like a it's a
little like a marriage, right, We sign a contract and
then we need to work together and hopefully don't get
sick of each other before the end, and then uh
then we split part go separate ways. Not like a marriage.
I guess I'm not gonna say that, but but I
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think like you need to establish a lot of things, right,
You need to establish how you're going to communicate and
where everything down from where you're going to park two
to how how how people act on the job. And
we talk a lot about that and internally with our people,
like how we how we treat peoples. Probably I'm just
thinking about it. We just finished a very nice for
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model on a on a very old house down on
Dayton Stream and I was in there a couple of
days ago with our our mowling team and we're just
finishing stuff up and I jokingly said, well, you know,
you know we get to move right next door.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Did you not know that? And I think I would
have had a revolt. They're like, okay, we having a
little PTSD now because the just the parking and then
you know, getting downtown and like to do work. I mean,
if you got a nice little car, and I've heard
people complaining about that, and it's like, well, picture a
van and and maybe a dump trailer once in a while.
And uh, this house did not have a driveway, so
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you know, it's a pretty massive house. That was a
rental so it was like a two flat and then
we converted it back to a single hon er house.
So yeah, it's at Uh. I don't think we need
to sparingly do that those kind of jobs.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And that's and that is it's it's interesting to bring
that that up and that that type of project is
that is part of the conversation is when you're finding
that that right builder and do you have experience and
and I love Madison. I think we all are in
this area for the reason. Madison is a beautiful city.
It's got interesting architecture, interesting people, but also it's it's different.
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I don't call it nimbiism, but there is a degree
of like people very much care about the areas in
their neighborhood and having a contractor that's experienced and working
in these whether it's a you know, a house right
on the Isthmus sometimes if it has a driveway, it's
hardly accessible, oftentimes doesn't have that stuff. Finding a contractor
that you can say, hey, have you worked on this
type of in this type of environment before. I mean,
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it's it's one thing if you're building out in the
country and there's different considerations as opposed to building on
the Isthmus, it's probably a good question and good conversation
to be having with your builders. Are you familiar with
building in this kind of area in these type of conditions?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, And Madison does have some some I don't want
to say strange areas, different types of areas. You know,
if you there's some really nice areas that are almost
like pockets of high end homes and things like that,
and working in those is much different than working in
the sus and an even different part, and I always
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called rings out from the Capital. The experience gets a
little different as you get closer in. You got to
worry about things like maybe some historical rules, and it
does get tougher to work at work on Swan. The
great thing about what's happened with real estate in the
last bunch of years is the values have come up
down there and people clearly want to live down there.
They want to live they like that downtown living. I
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want to be down by the Capital and uh walking
distance to a bunch of stuff. So the values have
come up and it's made it worth it to invest
in those houses down there. And by when when I
first started working down there, there really wasn't much value
to those homes. You could buy them fairly cheaply, and
by the same token, like people didn't have a lot
of options when it came to putting money into them.
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So now now it's there's some really nice remodeling that's
happening down there. But yeah, it's it's you run into
actually different problems in different areas of Madison inside the
houses too, like mechanically or matching up the woodwork. I
know this one. We we had to produce some of
that stuff in our shop at Edge because we just
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couldn't find it, we couldn't get made the way we
needed it in the in the time that we had.
Uh So there was there was some real challenges to
working on those old houses.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It could have been you. It could have been this
old house one.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Or these you are.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Just kidding, well, I think I think the quality I
think is probably what. What is is very similar is
the is the attention to that. But don't again, I
don't remember if it was you that talked about this
or if I saw in an episode of this Old
House speaking of matching up things like some of the
old woodwork actually having special dies made to cut the
trim work. Was that you or is that this?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I thought maybe you had got done that. I do
have a machine to do that. There's a lot of
things we can do now, you know, just road tables
and stuff like that. Or you know, if we're going
to match up things, if we're going to have to
make an old house full of trim, we're gonna we're
going to find somebody that's going to do that, that
can do sort of a mass run, and they're gonna
they're gonna make up new knives for that like they
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do in this whole house, and EMP done that too.
But surprisingly the suppliers that we use, their catalog of
profiles has increased over the last ten years, not decreased,
And so there's many times now that we can find
something fairly close that's it's not stocked because they still
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have to make it. But at least you don't have
to go through this process where I'm gonna I'm gonna
take a piece out of your house, take it somewhere
and they're going to try and make it. We know
what we're getting and it's a pretty repeatable timeline, and
so when we're when we have like at this house,
we had we needed you know, thirty feet of this
and forty feet of that. Those are things that we
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figured out how to make with the tools that we
had at edge. So it just saves us a lot
of time and kind of a lot of hasshole sometimes too.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He would that be a good question, as like are
you experienced in working in this type of house. I mean,
we think about you know, different as you were mentioning earlier,
kind of those different rings in different areas, even here
in Madison, and not to mention throughout southern Wisconsin and
Dane County asking somebody, is this something that you guys
have worked this type obviously not this exact home, but
this type of home. Is that is that probably a
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good question to be asking you.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I think it is. I mean, obviously, the newer the house,
the easier that job is going to be. So when
you when you get into those one hundred plus year
old neighborhoods, and I think you can kind of tell
from the you know, the contractors hopefully gonna be honest
and see, yeah we've we've done this or we haven't
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done it, but we're we're pretty confident. But the question
the contractors should be asking some questions too. Okay, what's
been updated? Do you still have a lead water service?
Do you has your panel been updated? Have you what
problems are you experiencing? Do you still have do you
have a novin tube yet in your house? Do you
have uh? Is the plaster loose anywhere? These are all
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things that I would probably ask and try to verify
when I'm there, And I think that's pretty good indication. Also,
that's some fun stuff though.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Pipes and wiring.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I mean, I think of remodeling, I think of the
fushi tops. Yeah, those type of things. Obviously, a very
important part of a remodel is is the stuff that
you don't see. I know we've talked on previous programs
as well about the importance of the stuff that you
don't see. It's a great thing about working with Mike
and the team, of course, covering all those bases and
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working with you. They'd love to do that. All I
got to do this morning, cup pone get a call
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on that, they'll take you over to their house page.
You can see a lot of projects that they've done.
At Edge Construction talking this week about choosing the right builder,
working with the right contractor, and a lot of this stuff. Mike,
correct me if I'm wrong. Is really stuff that those
initial few conversations. You really want to get this stuff,
make sure that it's a good fit. You don't want
to find out as maybe your contractor disappeared mid project
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that you may not have made the right selection. How
much is it, like like word of mouth and like
for you guys at Edge Construction, how often is it?
And I was going to ask you too about repeat customers,
people that may have had you come in for a
kitchen then maybe a couple of years later, think bathroom
or other things. How often are you getting referrals from
previous people? Is that That's got to be a huge
part of clientele and new projects, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, it's a shocking amount. It's somewhere around fifty percent
or either repeat customers or a real close recommendation, like
if we did your kitchen, your your your sibling is
maybe going to do theirs and they'll call us. So
that that is really great for us. And I mean
in a couple of ways, right because the homeowner, I
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think it puts them at ease. They can they can
now know what they're getting been through, either if you
have been through this before, or or somebody close to
them is letting them know what it's like, so you
don't have to go through this whole thing of where
we don't trust each other for a while. You know,
Like I think there is that because there's so much
bad news in this business unfortunately. You know, if you
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watch TV, there's there's the shows that are you're watching
the flip people that are basically stealing from the next
homeowner in my mind, and doing everything in a shoddy way,
and hey, look at us, we're admir us. We're making
all this money. Or you've got you know, the the
the the contractors were, you know, we're catching them right
(26:07):
like they they did some things wrong and we're gonna
we're gonna bust them. Now. The truth is, if somebody
is working in your area for a long time and
really messing up and causing problems, there's gonna be evidence online, right, Yeah,
it's it's there's gonna be there's gonna it's not gonna
be hard to figure this out. Like there's gonna be
people that are there's there's gonna be people that are
(26:28):
complaining about them online.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So is it with that too, as you mentioned about
you know obviously Madison and we're a big small area, right,
We're a big yeah everybody. Yeah, it's what part of
what makes it so great is is having that that
established relationship and that presence. And I think of you know,
when I drive around town for folks that don't know I,
I have a pair of glasses that takes pictures ever
(26:51):
so often about once every week or so, I'll see
an edge construction truck and I'll take a picture and
then when I get home, I text.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
It to Mike.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
But there are those like names that you're familiar with,
and a lot of times edge construction being one of them.
The part of the reason why is is that reputations
there is that there's an establishment to that and when
we talk about kind of establishing and finding that that
right contractor there's something Obviously everybody's got their first day,
everybody's got day one, but there is something to be
(27:21):
said for having seen a lot of this stuff, experience
having we were talking earlier about about folks working at
edge construction, that that are reached the point of working
on staircases. Having that that that rolodex of experience that
gain knowledge is is a good Again going back to
asking about have you done this type of project or
(27:42):
worked in this type of home before. Having some good
good set of skills and understanding of each project is
vital to a homeowner. And I'm guessing part of that
interview process of like like have you done this type
of bathroom before, have you done this type of basement
rom model? Just to kind of get a feel for
for that contractor as well.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, I think that for sure, you've got to establish
right like, there's there's a I really believe in some specialization,
especially when you're early at this if you're you know,
you're starting a remodeling business or you're starting in construction,
get really good at something before you start to branch out.
But when times get a little tough for the economy,
(28:20):
I always you know, notice there's a lot of pickup
trucks and vans out there that do everything from build
a new house to to a bathroom modeling Well, okay,
that may be true, it may have this kind of
smattering of knowledge, and but do you have the team
to go with it, you have all the do you
have the pieces in place to really do a great
(28:40):
job of each and every one of those or if
you had to pick one, what would be your what'd
be your best thing? And I understand people are just
trying to make a living, but we I started off doing.
When it got into the modeling side of this business,
we started off on basically mostly interior projects. You know,
(29:00):
we would change out a window and things like that
wasn't a problem, but we we pretty much stuck to
the inside with kitchens, bass basements, interior modeling. We we
always had the team to branch out, but I wanted
to really sort of focus on that and get good
there before we allowed ourselves to do more things. So
(29:21):
if you're a homeowner, you're going, well, okay, if you're
really you know, if you're a one person show and
you're really great at building houses and decks and doing bathrooms,
let's see what these bathrooms look. You know, like there
should be some evidence to this, and it is okay
to ask that and you know, you're not really questioning
their integrity, just saying, Okay, show me some evidence that
(29:42):
you can do this job. And I think that's a
really fair question.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I feel like one of these weeks we should do
a show on the history of edge construction about the growth.
I know you're probably like, I let's see, because it
is interesting how you know how it's how edge construction
started and how you guys have grown and developed and
what's what it's It's funny when you talk about about,
you know, doing a bathroom and doing a deck. I
always get this. I'm like, friends are getting married and
(30:06):
you're like, hey, used to me like you should be
our wedding DJ, and I'm like, I don't know anything
about me.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Well, okay, you probably could do it though the show
push gaps.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, there's probably a set of skills that cross, but
not my specialty.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It's it's a lot. We're actually talking about this internally
because you know, we have a master for Actrician Dale,
and then we've got Kyle that kind of runs all
our models and is like the best drywaller in the world,
I think, and uh, you know, Dale made a comment
about like I think one of us was saying, you know,
(30:42):
could you could we help you out a little bit.
He's a little bit under the gun, and he's like,
well can you wire this super technical thing? And and
and uh, I said, Dale, was that me asking you
like could you do this fancy stairwork? You know? No, No,
we're both in construction, but that doesn't mean we have
the same skill set. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, this morning with Mike two eg owner of Edge Construction,
the website edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one word,
Edge Construction Company dot com and Mike. When I'm looking
at some of the some of the notes here, one
of the things that that they do point out is
aimed for one point of responsibility. And one of the
things that that I love about Edge Construction, which you
is you have like there is like the point person
(31:24):
on the job. And we've talked a bit about this,
but that is important that you're not just calling an
eight hundred number and being rerouted to somebody else like
you literally have this person is responsible for this job.
If you have any questions, any concerns, any changes, anything
that that comes into your you've got a person you've
got to sell. You can text, you can call, you
can email. Having that single point of responsibility is an
(31:46):
important conversation to have with your contract as well, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, And and just having having a there's a big
advantage to using a general contractor in the first place.
I mean, like we occasionally do a job like this
where it's for somebody in the trades and we we
call it white boxing. We we basically get the job
to draw all stage and then we'll have a home
(32:10):
owner that we'll we'll finish it out. We don't love
to do it, and we makes us a little nervous
because there's a lot of like lines that cross. Okay,
if we're gonna pull a permit on this job. We
can't pull a permit just to take it to a
certain point, Like we've got to pull a permit to
finish this out. Uh. So it takes some discussions with
with inspectors and and uh city entities or town entities
(32:32):
whatever it is uh to figure out where where our
responsibility ends. So if we're if we're carrying it all
the way through the end, uh, and and we sub
something out to if we sub out some flooring, if
we subcontract some of flooring, okay, UH, if if a
Homer doesn't like what that flooring contractor did. They're probably
(32:54):
gonna hear about it, but we're really gonna hear about
it because they have this extra layer of responsibility in
the middle. And it's the same way with uh with
if you're if you were doing your basement tomorrow, Sean
and decided, well, I'm gonna I know a drywall er, I'll, i'll,
and I know Mike can do my trim, and somebody
else can do my painting, and I'll buy cabinets over here,
(33:15):
and I can you know, I pull all this together.
Now you're pulling the permit. So now if now if
the inspector is mad at you or things go wrong,
you're the You're the responsible party, right and and it's
so there is an advantage there to to I don't
want to say turn this over, but you know this,
this this general contractor is supposed to be on your
(33:36):
team and supposed to be, you know, fighting for you
and making sure things get done the way you want
them to get done.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
What about working and you talk about some of some
subs and other things. I know obviously at Edge Construction,
you guys have people in the house that do just
about everything. But there are certain contractors that you guys
work with, certain established companies and having that and that's
those are important relationships. I mean, these are these are
we talk about the history of edge construction, but I know,
like with plumbing and some others, you've got go to
(34:02):
those type of things, having those relationships established. And I
know you personally, Mike, there are people out there that
you definitely were talking earlier about, like specialized pieces and
parts that you were able to, you know, call up
and say, hey, we're working on this. I think we
comes up a lot with glass too, where you've got
just kind of like go to people that are like
these people do it right, they do it well, they
(34:22):
do it up to our standards. These are the people
I'm going to work with. But as a whole owner,
I don't have to worry about any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yeah, and it is hard to fill in all those
blanks now because when I first started, basements were sort
of I mean, there were some nice basements that we did,
but mostly they were kind of utilitarian, kind of an
afterthought or maybe the finishes weren't up to the same
level as the rest of the house. And so like
(34:49):
a lot of people would contract their basements to do
the basements and it was perfectly fine. The level now
has changed where you want this to be a reflection
of the rest of the house. It's got to feel
pty much just like the rest of the house. And
so it's not a lesser space. And what I'm talking
about is like, okay, now all those special things come in.
You know you mentioned glass, and that's that's one thing.
(35:10):
I mean, we are never going to do glass in
the house and be ridiculous, right. Plus way, I know
we have a great friend contractor that that does our work,
that subcontracts to us. I know his situation with his
employees there. It's not subs of subs. It's actually his
employees that he trains and and equips to do the
job right. And it's just a totally repeatable process. I
(35:34):
know exactly what we're getting. Most things at Edge we
have in house, so like we do everything from drywall
and we're electrical contractor, the flooring, the cabinets, all that
stuff is in. It's in our house. So we're not
having a venture outside. And so I think that is
you know, when I started, no way, I mean, it
(35:55):
was just impossible and so you did rely on on
good subcontractors. But even even then, okay, like you're you're
placing as a homeowner, you're placing yourselves in that contractor's
hand for that that little amount of time. But it's
it's worth doing your research, it is, and.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's really important to do that stuff. As we talked
this morning with Mike two Wing, owner of Edge Construction.
If you haven't had a chance to check out the website,
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six three six Edge. So talking about tips for choosing
(36:57):
and working with the with the builder, working with your contractor,
and I know a lot of stuff goes on up front,
and I know, I think we're kind of at the
back end of the show. We should probably talk about
the back end of a project. I was asking. I
asked you in that last segment about referrals, and I
know you get a lot of folks that you've worked
with in the past that, of course when they come
to their extra model, they're calling you. They're telling their
(37:19):
friends and family about you as well. One of the
things at the end of the project that you guys
do at Edge construction is follow up. Is you spend
how did it go?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
What'd you think?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And you make sure to keep them your your folks
that you've worked with really gett get a full reaction
to how the project went. And with that type of
thing is is there's a lot of folks that would
just be like, all right, we're done with the project,
sign off, everything's good, and move on. But you do
want that feedback at the end of the project, don't you.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah, we do. I mean I think from from our side,
I don't know, you know, the kind of the validation
as you walk in and you see how how beautifully
everything turns out, and that's really great, but it's it's
also really nice when homewer's super happy. But us, I mean,
nothing's better than when they can they can go do
you remember what this looked like? And pull up a
picture on their phone and like, oh yeah, wow, that
(38:10):
really was bad. And so I we also know, I
think it's good to talk through the project a little
bit at the end and go, you know, listen, we
what's the song? I didn't promise you a rose garden.
But but the truth is, I mean we're gonna everybody's
gonna be doing the best they can, right, Like you've
(38:30):
got to trust that that everybody on that job is
is if a mistake gets made, it's not it's not
because we didn't like your aren't trying hard. It's like, uh,
and and when things happen, if something happens, or maybe
a product feels it's really how you react to those
things that counts. Right, Like in today's world, we know
(38:51):
manufacturing really has worked through a lot of issues in
the last four or five years, and I think we're
coming out the other end. We have this gradual deal
where the products that we're that are showing up at
edge are are looking better, our package better, are handled better,
aren't broken as much, but there's still a little bit
of that we've got to fight our way through. And
(39:11):
so gradually it's changing how we schedule, like because now
I can start tightening up things a little bit knowing
that the products that we're putting are going a little better.
And this is something that feedback that we get from homeowners.
You know, I think everybody would like it to go
faster and be done quicker, and I understand that the
(39:35):
importance of the letting us kind of really fine tune
it at the end. I think that's going to make
a big difference. And I think that's sometimes a point
in time where it's hard for homeowner to be patient,
and they'll talk to us about that, like, uh, we
just wanted you to be done and get out of here.
You're like, well, yeah, but now you see it totally
finished and everything looking the way it does. Hopefully it's
(39:57):
worth it. And a year from now, are you going
to look back and think, you know, that was that
was such a pain or are you going to enjoy
your new space and have it turn out.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Is it similar to and I think of like as
a guy who's uh, you know, do a lot of
online shopping, and you always hear this term about that
last mile where it's like getting a product from Kentucky
to Madison is easy enough. It's that last mile of
getting it from the distribution center to your home that
takes the time. And I think for a lot of
folks and correct me if I'm wrong on this, Like
(40:28):
you see especially you know through demo and as then
as you're putting all the products in, that seems to
move quite quickly. It's those those finer things that really
make the difference that tend to take a little bit
more time. And maybe as a homeowner you don't always
realize the full scope of what's going on with it.
I mean, we think about like installing cupboards and drawers
(40:52):
and making sure that they're they're tuned up perfectly so
when they're closing, they're they're nice and soft and everything's smooth.
But like as a whole, is there kind of that
last mile thing in construction as well, where kind of
that those last finishing touches may seem like they take
a little more time, but in reality they're they're really
kind of the biggest part of the not the biggest part,
(41:14):
but a huge part of that equation.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yea, I'm gonna start using that the last mile in
the last mile, Yeah, because I think it is hard
to be patient, you know, and I you know, it's
pretty rarely that I've been on the other side of
the model. I've we were model our houset a couple
of times. But you know, the good thing when you're
the model or you can just finish stuff ninety percent
and then you're done. No, I'm just joking to my wife,
(41:38):
but yeah, that it is. I think it is hard
to be patient just that last little bit and to
a homeowner sometimes this will look done, but really there
is a little bit more to do.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
It's you know, what I love is is getting a chance.
When you head on over to the website edge Construction
Company dot com, you mentioned getting the chance for homeowners
a year from now looking back at what their project
used to look like and what what their what their
space looks like now. And one of the cool things
about Edgeconstruction Company dot com is they've actually got a
little slider. You can see some of them before and
after shots from the same angle of some of these projects,
(42:11):
and it is absolutely mind blowing what they're able to
do with the projects and with these spaces at edge Construction,
great data learn more. I mentioned the website Edgeconstruction Company
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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dot Com. Hope you have a chance to check that out.
A lot of great information about Edge Construction. Also, some
(00:35):
recent projects are featured right online. Really key though, are
those links to how's Pinterest and especially How's I mentioned
hows twice because it's important actually because I've got six again, Yes, Facebook,
Interest and hows and How's hous Easy's very important. Mike,
how you doing this morning? How about you? You and
you guys are posting on hows like weekly. That is
a constant Yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Try, Yeah, I know that our right now we're kind
of in between help on the social media side. So
if there's somebody out there that really knows what they're doing.
It wants to help us. Uh, but sore designers are
picking up the slack, and I know it's they get
awfully busy. So I think we got a backlog right now.
But House is my favorite place to go. That's when
(01:17):
I when I look or even if I'm with a
homeowner and we're they want to look at our stuff.
I got a house because I know there's somewhere around
two hundred projects on there now for us, and uh,
you can find what you're looking for. And it's just
a real easy format for me to get to. And
our website is great. A lot of people love it.
(01:38):
But you know, you update websites every five years maybe
or something. I don't know what the stats say you're
supposed to do that, but we're behind the ball on
that too, probably, But you know, you're you're it's it's
hard to do that and then and then carry over
all the projects that you've done in your past. So
like House is great because I mean you can go
back ten years or more on House and see things
that we were doing. And so I sometimes look back.
(02:01):
I want to see how our designs are holding up,
because to me, that's really important. If you're if you're
is it worth spending all this time on design and
do this? Did the results carry through? And I think
it does pretty well. So yeah, how is my favorite spot?
And if you have a question on something, House has
a great system for you know, there's a clearing house
(02:22):
of information, homeowner information in every way.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
One of the things too is I know that's great
about it and you see it and you get to
see the stats and stuff. But globally, people are accessing
the work that you're doing at edge construction. People are
looking at at your projects and saying, hey, we're going
to use that on a you know, there's there's some
of your design concepts. You know in Brazil for example,
somebody said, oh I really like that.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
So I think that sound very glamorous. So what's happening
is like when I look at our pictures. So we
got all these projects and each project has I don't know,
twenty or thirty or one hundred pictures, I don't how
many pictures. But when you're on House and you're searching
for something, you know, like if I was called the
picture in your head. So if you're going, well, I
want to a custom built in bookcase. So you can.
(03:06):
You can you can do that and you can pick
the style. You can add the word craftsman or or
some other thing in there, and it will start just
giving you pictures to rotate through to find, you know,
And what you're doing is you're trying to find something
that that fits your style and that you like. And
and when you can hand something like that to a
(03:27):
builder or to a modeler like us, or to a
carpenter like me and go oh okay, now I know
what you want. I know what to build, know what
to draw, and so How's has gotten very handy that way.
So yeah, even us, I don't know, it's some unbelievable
figure like fifteen thousand pictures get downloaded a month or something.
Obviously we know that's not all Madison's. It's around the world.
(03:50):
But but we use it too, like we we you know,
we'll be searching for things too, and sometimes Howse is
a way to find new products. I mean, like they
showcase some products and techniques and things like that. So
house very just got to be a very useful website.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And one of the things I know that often that
goes on working with the designers is that's one of
those areas where the designers will say, if you don't
have any ideas, go to house. It is a clip.
I always forget that they have a term for I
know in Pinterest it's pinning, but I think it's it's
clipping or something where you go through you mention all
those images and kind of start putting together that that library.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Of Yes, build your library. Yeah, that's yeah. It brings
up a good point. So like, if if we come
to your place for the first time and you want
to do a kitchen or a master bathroom model, and
we ask what you want to do and you say,
I don't know, I will probably say, well, I'm going
to give you some homework. You know, you can find
(04:49):
houses like yours. You can find kitchens that may not
be perfect, it may not be exactly what you want.
But if you give designers a little something, you know,
like you you're gonna give them a few ideas of
what you like. A lot of times our designers just
by coming in and seeing the things that you've purchased
over the years. You know, like if you your furniture
(05:10):
and maybe some of the artwork on the walls or
colors you've picked out, or you know, they can get
indications of your style. But I like it when a
homeowner does a little homework too, So I might admonish
you a little bit and say, Okay, we need you
to start going down the rabbit hole a little bit,
just so just to see me a little more aware
of what's out there too.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's a lot of fun too.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
That's fun. That's good.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
We're gonna talk this week about about choosing the right builder.
But first, as we were talking about Pinterest, I'm gonna
guess you were sharing with me a couple of recent
staircase projects. I'm gonna guess those are gonna show up
on up on how sooner than later. And I was
asking you about this because I've I've always wondered. I know,
obviously your guys are amazing craftsmen, and you guys build
(05:55):
a lot of a lot of staircases from scratch, and
I had asked you about one in particular. I said,
is that is? Is that built from scratch? You said,
oh yeah, and pretty much every if you guys are
building stairs, you're doing it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yes, yeah, piece by piece. Yeah, because it's really the
only way to have it turn out and not there
are some systems out there that will kind of pre builts.
I don't know what else to call them, but I
don't know. Maybe you couldn't tell, but if I looked
at I go, oh, I know exactly what that is.
(06:27):
And they get the job done, and I understand that.
But I think like whenever we've dealt with those these
these I'm just calling pre builts, we end up with
more time just fitting them. Where we could have built
it from scratch, he'd have a better look. And so
as the we're talking about stairwork. Okay, Justin is been
with me since he was twenty years old and he's
(06:49):
now like forty something. Anyways, Justin's a great carpenter, really
really our best finished carpenter and runs our our trimmers,
our finished crew. And they they there would work all,
you know, all day, every day. And you know they
do on average ten or twelve staircases a week. I mean,
(07:09):
so they do. They do a lot of the new
construction side in Madison, and but a lot are really normally.
You know, there's there's six footers with open rail and
ballusters and they look great. It's it's awesome. Those aren't
the ones they send you the pictures of I justin
this morning happened to send me a couple of videos
of some houses we did in the last couple of weeks,
(07:31):
and one was they were both pretty special. Both had
i would say, over fifteen sections of open handrail, so
these are very big houses and a lot of stuff
in them and fullwood tread one had fullwood treads and
one had had staircaps. So this comes in very handy
for us because for one, you know, there's a lot
(07:52):
of times people don't don't realize what you can do right,
so we it's a way for somebody to know what
our capabilities are. And if we can do a house
with thirteen sections, we can certainly do years with three.
And this has gotten to be a fairly popular moodel
where maybe some outdated looks on the stairs or you know,
you can really change look at your house and it's
(08:13):
normally right where you walk in, so it's one of
the first things people see, so it's really a nice update.
But yeah, it's pretty impressive when I you know, I
hadn't seen him yet, and I didn't even get to
see the houses when they were doing them, so I
was very happy since those videos.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They look amazing The other thing too that I think
is great, and it probably goes back to the earlier
conversation about design, is they look there was clearly thought
put into how not to obviously talk about the skill
of the of the Carbonder building it, but the design
that went into these is pretty amazing. I know one
of them in particular had multiple landings. I mean you
(08:47):
talk about figuring all that stuff out about like how
does this all fit together? And it's really a very
impressive project.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Right And you know sometimes people for a homeowner, is
valuable able to see, oh, that's how they made that
transition there, or you know, I've got this weird landing
space and I want to do fullwood treads, and how
do we do what do we do with the landing?
What do we do with well, it's it's really nice
for us to be able to go, Okay, we'll zoom
in right here and we can show you all those
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pieces and parts. One of them happened to be a
craftsman style with white wood ballusters. The other one was
maybe a little more contemporary, had metal metal balusters, and
so it's two different looks and different colors. One was
a lighter stain, one was a darker stain, so it's
nice to have different things to look at.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
We mentioned different materials as well, and I think obviously
kitchens we talk a lot about different materials. I don't
think we always think about with staircase and other things.
Is there's a lot of options for materials being used. Obviously,
if you've got an old Victorian home, you're gonna want
to stick with wood and be very you know, very ornate.
But when you were mentioning, the one in particular has
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the dark metal and to me it looks great. But
I've got a guess for carpenters, obviously having great ones
that do this day in and day out is helpful.
But those different materials, understanding how they're gonna gonna work
together is an important part of the There's it's more
than just the beauty and design. It's also the functionality
and understanding what the materials are you're working.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
With right, and it is a challenge. I mean we
when the metal baluster thing kind of came in twenty
years ago and really started off slow, and now it's
taken over probably half of the stairwork we do. They're
not wood bowusters. That's the thin part underneath handrail that
separates the gaps there, because I thought, yeah, now I
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got to buy a grinder, and we've got to figure
out how to attach these, which you know, now we
have good systems for that to cut them and we
use a two part of pocksheed to to try and
get them not to rattle. So were attaching that, you know,
top and bottom, and it is a challenge. But I'm
laughing because Justin told me a story this morning when
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I call them out sent these videos. But hey, Justin,
nice job. This looks great. One of our newer guys
been a carpenter for maybe nine months or so and
did his first staircase, did a wood one, and Justin's
was just very helpful and a good trainer, and he
was over there talking to him and about he's going
to do one with metal, and he kind of pushed
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Justin out of the house that just all I need
is your grinder. Yeah, I think I have this. So
you know, that is very fast to be able to
do an open hand rall by the way, nine months,
So I've credit both those guys, and you know, you
gotta have the guts to try it sometimes too.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's pretty cool. By the way, speaking of different tiers,
do we still do cable and wire? I know that
was super popular and I still see it and it
looks it looks great. Are we seeing? Is that ebbing
a bit? Or is that still something?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I think it is ebbing? It's it's it rarely comes
up now for us, and I like the look. I
don't love doing them. It's very difficult to get to
do him to a certain standard. And by that I mean, okay,
you've you've got all these cables. So if you've got
six or eight cables in a in a strand in
a run of open handraw, when you start tightening up
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that one cable, you start loosening up some others. Okay,
So homeowners at his view like everything's and I don't
blame him. You know you're paying all this money. Well,
everything should be tight like a like a piano string,
like a piano wire. And uh, it's tough to do.
There's been some pushback from inspectors, to be honest, because
they say, well, it's a four inch ball, can't fit
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between your You're real, But what if I pull this
uh what if I pull this cable up a little bit?
I can easily fit a four inch ball through that spot,
and I go, well, some states have have made it
really tough to do. I think California is pretty much
made it, made it taking it off the table for
their construction side. So I like the look by the way,
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and we've done several there're always a challenge, I know. Uh,
and the cost can be a challenge to it. Like
you got some increased labor. But those little stainless deal
connectors when we have to buy those sometimes they're like
five hundred dollars for this little box you can hold
in your hand and you're going, I don't want to
mess this up, but yeah, there. I do like to
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look though.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It seems like there are a lot of maintenance going forward.
You mentioned kind of pulling up and you know, can
I fit it for I think of especially if you've
got younger folks around.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Maybe gonna stick their head, and they're going to stick
their head.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
They're going to stand on them, they're going to do
all things that just just really mess with them.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Well.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Plus, uh, you know, if you read the if you
read the manual on these things, they recommend loosening and
tightening those cables every spring and fall because when you
when it when you start heating, they start to they
start to shrink a little bit and and it doesn't
have to be much to affect everything. And if you
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and if it and if it starts uh you know,
getting more human and warming up, then they'll then they'll extend.
And so then now they feel loose and so like, yeah,
that's it's it's that without their challenge. But I said,
I do like to look it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Does it does look nice? Speak of liking the looks.
We talked about those a couple of projects as they've
been working on it with stairs at Edge Construction speaking
of checking out those stairs and other options he had
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We did not start off talking about it. We talked
to I love. We get we get caught up. We
get distracted easily, Mike and I get distracted by shiny things,
beautiful work that you guys do, and end up off
on a on a tangent about staircases, which is something
I think. We've done whole shows on staircases in the
past for good reason, and there are there's a lot
of good reasons to be excited about them. One of
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the things that's important too, is kind of finding that
that uh, that right contractor and kind of finding ways
to work with that builder, and it is a relationship.
It's interesting you were you were talking in that last
segment about about you know, giving folks homework and some
other things. It really does become like a like a six, nine,
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twelve month depending on the scope and scale of the project.
It becomes a very, uh, very relationship during that process,
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It does. So it's it takes a lot of thought
before you get there, and it's like a it's a
little like a marriage, right, We sign a contract and
then we need to work together and hopefully don't get
sick of each other before the end, and then uh
then we split part go separate ways. Not like a marriage.
I guess I'm not gonna say that, but but I
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think like you need to establish a lot of things, right,
You need to establish how you're going to communicate and
where everything down from where you're going to park two
to how how how people act on the job. And
we talk a lot about that and internally with our people,
like how we how we treat peoples. Probably I'm just
thinking about it. We just finished a very nice for
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model on a on a very old house down on
Dayton Stream and I was in there a couple of
days ago with our our mowling team and we're just
finishing stuff up and I jokingly said, well, you know,
you know we get to move right next door.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Did you not know that? And I think I would
have had a revolt. They're like, okay, we having a
little PTSD now because the just the parking and then
you know, getting downtown and like to do work. I mean,
if you got a nice little car, and I've heard
people complaining about that, and it's like, well, picture a
van and and maybe a dump trailer once in a while.
And uh, this house did not have a driveway, so
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you know, it's a pretty massive house. That was a
rental so it was like a two flat and then
we converted it back to a single hon er house.
So yeah, it's at Uh. I don't think we need
to sparingly do that those kind of jobs.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And that's and that is it's it's interesting to bring
that that up and that that type of project is
that is part of the conversation is when you're finding
that that right builder and do you have experience and
and I love Madison. I think we all are in
this area for the reason. Madison is a beautiful city.
It's got interesting architecture, interesting people, but also it's it's different.
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I don't call it nimbiism, but there is a degree
of like people very much care about the areas in
their neighborhood and having a contractor that's experienced and working
in these whether it's a you know, a house right
on the Isthmus sometimes if it has a driveway, it's
hardly accessible, oftentimes doesn't have that stuff. Finding a contractor
that you can say, hey, have you worked on this
type of in this type of environment before. I mean,
(18:30):
it's it's one thing if you're building out in the
country and there's different considerations as opposed to building on
the Isthmus, it's probably a good question and good conversation
to be having with your builders. Are you familiar with
building in this kind of area in these type of conditions?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, And Madison does have some some I don't want
to say strange areas, different types of areas. You know,
if you there's some really nice areas that are almost
like pockets of high end homes and things like that,
and working in those is much different than working in
the sus and an even different part, and I always
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called rings out from the Capital. The experience gets a
little different as you get closer in. You got to
worry about things like maybe some historical rules, and it
does get tougher to work at work on Swan. The
great thing about what's happened with real estate in the
last bunch of years is the values have come up
down there and people clearly want to live down there.
They want to live they like that downtown living. I
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want to be down by the Capital and uh walking
distance to a bunch of stuff. So the values have
come up and it's made it worth it to invest
in those houses down there. And by when when I
first started working down there, there really wasn't much value
to those homes. You could buy them fairly cheaply, and
by the same token, like people didn't have a lot
of options when it came to putting money into them.
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So now now it's there's some really nice remodeling that's
happening down there. But yeah, it's it's you run into
actually different problems in different areas of Madison inside the
houses too, like mechanically or matching up the woodwork. I
know this one. We we had to produce some of
that stuff in our shop at Edge because we just
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couldn't find it, we couldn't get made the way we
needed it in the in the time that we had.
Uh So there was there was some real challenges to
working on those old houses.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It could have been you. It could have been this
old house one.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Or these you are.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Just kidding, well, I think I think the quality I
think is probably what. What is is very similar is
the is the attention to that. But don't again, I
don't remember if it was you that talked about this
or if I saw in an episode of this Old
House speaking of matching up things like some of the
old woodwork actually having special dies made to cut the
trim work. Was that you or is that this?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I thought maybe you had got done that. I do
have a machine to do that. There's a lot of
things we can do now, you know, just road tables
and stuff like that. Or you know, if we're going
to match up things, if we're going to have to
make an old house full of trim, we're gonna we're
going to find somebody that's going to do that, that
can do sort of a mass run, and they're gonna
they're gonna make up new knives for that like they
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do in this whole house, and EMP done that too.
But surprisingly the suppliers that we use, their catalog of
profiles has increased over the last ten years, not decreased,
And so there's many times now that we can find
something fairly close that's it's not stocked because they still
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have to make it. But at least you don't have
to go through this process where I'm gonna I'm gonna
take a piece out of your house, take it somewhere
and they're going to try and make it. We know
what we're getting and it's a pretty repeatable timeline, and
so when we're when we have like at this house,
we had we needed you know, thirty feet of this
and forty feet of that. Those are things that we
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figured out how to make with the tools that we
had at edge. So it just saves us a lot
of time and kind of a lot of hasshole sometimes too.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He would that be a good question, as like are
you experienced in working in this type of house. I mean,
we think about you know, different as you were mentioning earlier,
kind of those different rings in different areas, even here
in Madison, and not to mention throughout southern Wisconsin and
Dane County asking somebody, is this something that you guys
have worked this type obviously not this exact home, but
this type of home. Is that is that probably a
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good question to be asking you.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I think it is. I mean, obviously, the newer the house,
the easier that job is going to be. So when
you when you get into those one hundred plus year
old neighborhoods, and I think you can kind of tell
from the you know, the contractors hopefully gonna be honest
and see, yeah we've we've done this or we haven't
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done it, but we're we're pretty confident. But the question
the contractors should be asking some questions too. Okay, what's
been updated? Do you still have a lead water service?
Do you has your panel been updated? Have you what
problems are you experiencing? Do you still have do you
have a novin tube yet in your house? Do you
have uh? Is the plaster loose anywhere? These are all
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things that I would probably ask and try to verify
when I'm there, And I think that's pretty good indication. Also,
that's some fun stuff though.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Pipes and wiring.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I mean, I think of remodeling, I think of the
fushi tops. Yeah, those type of things. Obviously, a very
important part of a remodel is is the stuff that
you don't see. I know we've talked on previous programs
as well about the importance of the stuff that you
don't see. It's a great thing about working with Mike
and the team, of course, covering all those bases and
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working with you. They'd love to do that. All I
got to do this morning, cup pone get a call
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on that, they'll take you over to their house page.
You can see a lot of projects that they've done.
At Edge Construction talking this week about choosing the right builder,
working with the right contractor, and a lot of this stuff. Mike,
correct me if I'm wrong. Is really stuff that those
initial few conversations. You really want to get this stuff,
make sure that it's a good fit. You don't want
to find out as maybe your contractor disappeared mid project
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that you may not have made the right selection. How
much is it, like like word of mouth and like
for you guys at Edge Construction, how often is it?
And I was going to ask you too about repeat customers,
people that may have had you come in for a
kitchen then maybe a couple of years later, think bathroom
or other things. How often are you getting referrals from
previous people? Is that That's got to be a huge
part of clientele and new projects, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, it's a shocking amount. It's somewhere around fifty percent
or either repeat customers or a real close recommendation, like
if we did your kitchen, your your your sibling is
maybe going to do theirs and they'll call us. So
that that is really great for us. And I mean
in a couple of ways, right because the homeowner, I
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think it puts them at ease. They can they can
now know what they're getting been through, either if you
have been through this before, or or somebody close to
them is letting them know what it's like, so you
don't have to go through this whole thing of where
we don't trust each other for a while. You know,
Like I think there is that because there's so much
bad news in this business unfortunately. You know, if you
(25:45):
watch TV, there's there's the shows that are you're watching
the flip people that are basically stealing from the next
homeowner in my mind, and doing everything in a shoddy way,
and hey, look at us, we're admir us. We're making
all this money. Or you've got you know, the the
the the contractors were, you know, we're catching them right
(26:07):
like they they did some things wrong and we're gonna
we're gonna bust them. Now. The truth is, if somebody
is working in your area for a long time and
really messing up and causing problems, there's gonna be evidence online, right, Yeah,
it's it's there's gonna be there's gonna it's not gonna
be hard to figure this out. Like there's gonna be
people that are there's there's gonna be people that are
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complaining about them online.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So is it with that too, as you mentioned about
you know obviously Madison and we're a big small area, right,
We're a big yeah everybody. Yeah, it's what part of
what makes it so great is is having that that
established relationship and that presence. And I think of you know,
when I drive around town for folks that don't know I,
I have a pair of glasses that takes pictures ever
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so often about once every week or so, I'll see
an edge construction truck and I'll take a picture and
then when I get home, I text.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
It to Mike.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
But there are those like names that you're familiar with,
and a lot of times edge construction being one of them.
The part of the reason why is is that reputations
there is that there's an establishment to that and when
we talk about kind of establishing and finding that that
right contractor there's something Obviously everybody's got their first day,
everybody's got day one, but there is something to be
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said for having seen a lot of this stuff, experience
having we were talking earlier about about folks working at
edge construction, that that are reached the point of working
on staircases. Having that that that rolodex of experience that
gain knowledge is is a good Again going back to
asking about have you done this type of project or
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worked in this type of home before. Having some good
good set of skills and understanding of each project is
vital to a homeowner. And I'm guessing part of that
interview process of like like have you done this type
of bathroom before, have you done this type of basement
rom model? Just to kind of get a feel for
for that contractor as well.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, I think that for sure, you've got to establish
right like, there's there's a I really believe in some specialization,
especially when you're early at this if you're you know,
you're starting a remodeling business or you're starting in construction,
get really good at something before you start to branch out.
But when times get a little tough for the economy,
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I always you know, notice there's a lot of pickup
trucks and vans out there that do everything from build
a new house to to a bathroom modeling Well, okay,
that may be true, it may have this kind of
smattering of knowledge, and but do you have the team
to go with it, you have all the do you
have the pieces in place to really do a great
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job of each and every one of those or if
you had to pick one, what would be your what'd
be your best thing? And I understand people are just
trying to make a living, but we I started off doing.
When it got into the modeling side of this business,
we started off on basically mostly interior projects. You know,
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we would change out a window and things like that
wasn't a problem, but we we pretty much stuck to
the inside with kitchens, bass basements, interior modeling. We we
always had the team to branch out, but I wanted
to really sort of focus on that and get good
there before we allowed ourselves to do more things. So
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if you're a homeowner, you're going, well, okay, if you're
really you know, if you're a one person show and
you're really great at building houses and decks and doing bathrooms,
let's see what these bathrooms look. You know, like there
should be some evidence to this, and it is okay
to ask that and you know, you're not really questioning
their integrity, just saying, Okay, show me some evidence that
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you can do this job. And I think that's a
really fair question.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I feel like one of these weeks we should do
a show on the history of edge construction about the growth.
I know you're probably like, I let's see, because it
is interesting how you know how it's how edge construction
started and how you guys have grown and developed and
what's what it's It's funny when you talk about about,
you know, doing a bathroom and doing a deck. I
always get this. I'm like, friends are getting married and
(30:06):
you're like, hey, used to me like you should be
our wedding DJ, and I'm like, I don't know anything
about me.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Well, okay, you probably could do it though the show
push gaps.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, there's probably a set of skills that cross, but
not my specialty.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It's it's a lot. We're actually talking about this internally
because you know, we have a master for Actrician Dale,
and then we've got Kyle that kind of runs all
our models and is like the best drywaller in the world,
I think, and uh, you know, Dale made a comment
about like I think one of us was saying, you know,
(30:42):
could you could we help you out a little bit.
He's a little bit under the gun, and he's like,
well can you wire this super technical thing? And and
and uh, I said, Dale, was that me asking you
like could you do this fancy stairwork? You know? No, No,
we're both in construction, but that doesn't mean we have
the same skill set. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, this morning with Mike two eg owner of Edge Construction,
the website edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one word,
Edge Construction Company dot com and Mike. When I'm looking
at some of the some of the notes here, one
of the things that that they do point out is
aimed for one point of responsibility. And one of the
things that that I love about Edge Construction, which you
is you have like there is like the point person
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on the job. And we've talked a bit about this,
but that is important that you're not just calling an
eight hundred number and being rerouted to somebody else like
you literally have this person is responsible for this job.
If you have any questions, any concerns, any changes, anything
that that comes into your you've got a person you've
got to sell. You can text, you can call, you
can email. Having that single point of responsibility is an
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important conversation to have with your contract as well, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, And and just having having a there's a big
advantage to using a general contractor in the first place.
I mean, like we occasionally do a job like this
where it's for somebody in the trades and we we
call it white boxing. We we basically get the job
to draw all stage and then we'll have a home
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owner that we'll we'll finish it out. We don't love
to do it, and we makes us a little nervous
because there's a lot of like lines that cross. Okay,
if we're gonna pull a permit on this job. We
can't pull a permit just to take it to a
certain point, Like we've got to pull a permit to
finish this out. Uh. So it takes some discussions with
with inspectors and and uh city entities or town entities
(32:32):
whatever it is uh to figure out where where our
responsibility ends. So if we're if we're carrying it all
the way through the end, uh, and and we sub
something out to if we sub out some flooring, if
we subcontract some of flooring, okay, UH, if if a
Homer doesn't like what that flooring contractor did. They're probably
(32:54):
gonna hear about it, but we're really gonna hear about
it because they have this extra layer of responsibility in
the middle. And it's the same way with uh with
if you're if you were doing your basement tomorrow, Sean
and decided, well, I'm gonna I know a drywall er, I'll, i'll,
and I know Mike can do my trim, and somebody
else can do my painting, and I'll buy cabinets over here,
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and I can you know, I pull all this together.
Now you're pulling the permit. So now if now if
the inspector is mad at you or things go wrong,
you're the You're the responsible party, right and and it's
so there is an advantage there to to I don't
want to say turn this over, but you know this,
this this general contractor is supposed to be on your
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team and supposed to be, you know, fighting for you
and making sure things get done the way you want
them to get done.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
What about working and you talk about some of some
subs and other things. I know obviously at Edge Construction,
you guys have people in the house that do just
about everything. But there are certain contractors that you guys
work with, certain established companies and having that and that's
those are important relationships. I mean, these are these are
we talk about the history of edge construction, but I know,
like with plumbing and some others, you've got go to
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those type of things, having those relationships established. And I
know you personally, Mike, there are people out there that
you definitely were talking earlier about, like specialized pieces and
parts that you were able to, you know, call up
and say, hey, we're working on this. I think we
comes up a lot with glass too, where you've got
just kind of like go to people that are like
these people do it right, they do it well, they
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do it up to our standards. These are the people
I'm going to work with. But as a whole owner,
I don't have to worry about any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yeah, and it is hard to fill in all those
blanks now because when I first started, basements were sort
of I mean, there were some nice basements that we did,
but mostly they were kind of utilitarian, kind of an
afterthought or maybe the finishes weren't up to the same
level as the rest of the house. And so like
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a lot of people would contract their basements to do
the basements and it was perfectly fine. The level now
has changed where you want this to be a reflection
of the rest of the house. It's got to feel
pty much just like the rest of the house. And
so it's not a lesser space. And what I'm talking
about is like, okay, now all those special things come in.
You know you mentioned glass, and that's that's one thing.
(35:10):
I mean, we are never going to do glass in
the house and be ridiculous, right. Plus way, I know
we have a great friend contractor that that does our work,
that subcontracts to us. I know his situation with his
employees there. It's not subs of subs. It's actually his
employees that he trains and and equips to do the
job right. And it's just a totally repeatable process. I
(35:34):
know exactly what we're getting. Most things at Edge we
have in house, so like we do everything from drywall
and we're electrical contractor, the flooring, the cabinets, all that
stuff is in. It's in our house. So we're not
having a venture outside. And so I think that is
you know, when I started, no way, I mean, it
(35:55):
was just impossible and so you did rely on on
good subcontractors. But even even then, okay, like you're you're
placing as a homeowner, you're placing yourselves in that contractor's
hand for that that little amount of time. But it's
it's worth doing your research, it is, and.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's really important to do that stuff. As we talked
this morning with Mike two Wing, owner of Edge Construction.
If you haven't had a chance to check out the website,
great opportunity right now, head on over their Edge Construction
Company dot com. It's all one word Edge Construction Company
dot com. Telf number six O eight six three six
three three four three a number so ways that remember
it's six three six Edge. More of the Homer Modeling
Show brought you by Edge Construction. It comes your way
(36:34):
next right here on thirteen ten dolbi u ib A.
This is the Homer Modeling Show brought you by Edge
Construction online. Edge Construction Company dot com. It's all one
word Edge Construction Company dot com telf number six so
eight six three six three three four three that number
six three six Edge. So talking about tips for choosing
(36:57):
and working with the with the builder, working with your contractor,
and I know a lot of stuff goes on up front,
and I know, I think we're kind of at the
back end of the show. We should probably talk about
the back end of a project. I was asking. I
asked you in that last segment about referrals, and I
know you get a lot of folks that you've worked
with in the past that, of course when they come
to their extra model, they're calling you. They're telling their
(37:19):
friends and family about you as well. One of the
things at the end of the project that you guys
do at Edge construction is follow up. Is you spend
how did it go?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
What'd you think?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And you make sure to keep them your your folks
that you've worked with really gett get a full reaction
to how the project went. And with that type of
thing is is there's a lot of folks that would
just be like, all right, we're done with the project,
sign off, everything's good, and move on. But you do
want that feedback at the end of the project, don't you.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah, we do. I mean I think from from our side,
I don't know, you know, the kind of the validation
as you walk in and you see how how beautifully
everything turns out, and that's really great, but it's it's
also really nice when homewer's super happy. But us, I mean,
nothing's better than when they can they can go do
you remember what this looked like? And pull up a
picture on their phone and like, oh yeah, wow, that
(38:10):
really was bad. And so I we also know, I
think it's good to talk through the project a little
bit at the end and go, you know, listen, we
what's the song? I didn't promise you a rose garden.
But but the truth is, I mean we're gonna everybody's
gonna be doing the best they can, right, Like you've
(38:30):
got to trust that that everybody on that job is
is if a mistake gets made, it's not it's not
because we didn't like your aren't trying hard. It's like, uh,
and and when things happen, if something happens, or maybe
a product feels it's really how you react to those
things that counts. Right, Like in today's world, we know
(38:51):
manufacturing really has worked through a lot of issues in
the last four or five years, and I think we're
coming out the other end. We have this gradual deal
where the products that we're that are showing up at
edge are are looking better, our package better, are handled better,
aren't broken as much, but there's still a little bit
of that we've got to fight our way through. And
(39:11):
so gradually it's changing how we schedule, like because now
I can start tightening up things a little bit knowing
that the products that we're putting are going a little better.
And this is something that feedback that we get from homeowners.
You know, I think everybody would like it to go
faster and be done quicker, and I understand that the
(39:35):
importance of the letting us kind of really fine tune
it at the end. I think that's going to make
a big difference. And I think that's sometimes a point
in time where it's hard for homeowner to be patient,
and they'll talk to us about that, like, uh, we
just wanted you to be done and get out of here.
You're like, well, yeah, but now you see it totally
finished and everything looking the way it does. Hopefully it's
(39:57):
worth it. And a year from now, are you going
to look back and think, you know, that was that
was such a pain or are you going to enjoy
your new space and have it turn out.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Is it similar to and I think of like as
a guy who's uh, you know, do a lot of
online shopping, and you always hear this term about that
last mile where it's like getting a product from Kentucky
to Madison is easy enough. It's that last mile of
getting it from the distribution center to your home that
takes the time. And I think for a lot of
folks and correct me if I'm wrong on this, Like
(40:28):
you see especially you know through demo and as then
as you're putting all the products in, that seems to
move quite quickly. It's those those finer things that really
make the difference that tend to take a little bit
more time. And maybe as a homeowner you don't always
realize the full scope of what's going on with it.
I mean, we think about like installing cupboards and drawers
(40:52):
and making sure that they're they're tuned up perfectly so
when they're closing, they're they're nice and soft and everything's smooth.
But like as a whole, is there kind of that
last mile thing in construction as well, where kind of
that those last finishing touches may seem like they take
a little more time, but in reality they're they're really
kind of the biggest part of the not the biggest part,
(41:14):
but a huge part of that equation.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yea, I'm gonna start using that the last mile in
the last mile, Yeah, because I think it is hard
to be patient, you know, and I you know, it's
pretty rarely that I've been on the other side of
the model. I've we were model our houset a couple
of times. But you know, the good thing when you're
the model or you can just finish stuff ninety percent
and then you're done. No, I'm just joking to my wife,
(41:38):
but yeah, that it is. I think it is hard
to be patient just that last little bit and to
a homeowner sometimes this will look done, but really there
is a little bit more to do.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
It's you know, what I love is is getting a chance.
When you head on over to the website edge Construction
Company dot com, you mentioned getting the chance for homeowners
a year from now looking back at what their project
used to look like and what what their what their
space looks like now. And one of the cool things
about Edgeconstruction Company dot com is they've actually got a
little slider. You can see some of them before and
after shots from the same angle of some of these projects,
(42:11):
and it is absolutely mind blowing what they're able to
do with the projects and with these spaces at edge Construction,
great data learn more. I mentioned the website Edgeconstruction Company
dot com. Even better, pick a phone game a call
six O eight six six three three three six three
six three three four three. That number six three six
Edge almost gave out the station's phone number like this
six three six three three four three at six three
(42:32):
six Edge. Of course, Edge Construction brings you the Homer
Modeling Show right here on thirteen ten double u ib
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