The Art of Design

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Think about doing some remodeling.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
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Joining us in studio this morning is Mike two week
of Edge Construction.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Mike, how you doing this week? Great Sean, It's good
to see you.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
And before we get rolling, we're going to talk about
some kitchen design trends and some other really cool things
coming to a kitchen near you or in a kitchen
near you. I mentioned the website Edge Construction Company dot
com I know you guys have always been uh been
on the forefront of the website and over the years
always adding new features and new things as well. But

(01:05):
it is really a great place for folks that kind
of want to get get a flavor for edge construction,
how you guys work a little bit about some of
your projects as well. It's really a nice kind of
starting point, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, I think I don't know what the stats are.
Somebody told me that now before somebody calls. If your
homeowner you're looking for somebody to do some work, you're
probably doing some research into that. And we that website
for us is I don't know, it's sort of a
clearinghouse for all our projects. So like I think, like

(01:40):
if I was looking for a remodeler, I would want
to go on the website to I'd want to see
what they're designs, if their design's made sense. Yeah, meaning
like sometimes you know, I have several friends in this
business from around the country, and and when I look
at their stuff, we can honestly tell each other. You
know you're getting you're you're getting some tunnel vision here,

(02:02):
like your projects all kind of look the same, and
and builders get builders in general can follow that trap.
I don't know if it's just like an ego thing
or or just for the ease of going forward, or
if they really think that's what people want. But I
we work pretty hard with our design team to say, okay,
we want to start over as much as we can

(02:24):
on every project. I mean, it's hard to do because
we're human and we have, you know, all these influences.
But and plus I think, like as as a designer,
sometimes when when a project really works out well, when
the design really is attractive to a lot of people,
you know, you might have a little trouble kicking that
one out of your Like there's some things that really worked,
and we don't want those to kick out too. We

(02:44):
want to take we want to take what made that
project unique and and put that in our in our bag, right,
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think to use that phrase tunnel vision. And I
think for a lot of folks who may have worked
with and and I understand how how like new home construction,
for example, I understand and some of the economics of it.
I think sometimes folks feel like they get this brand
new house and it's exciting and it's beautiful and it's
brand new, and then they go visit their neighbors and
they're like, I've got that. Wait, I've got that. And

(03:12):
then I feel like you you hear from a lot
of folks that have experienced that. Maybe they went through
the you know, they they did the custom home, which
actually was kind of just like a click this option
or that option, and they pick up a bone and say,
it feels like our original builder had some tunnel viasion
as well. So it goes a few different ways, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
It does? But okay, like how many how many different
ways can you build a three better ranch? You know,
there's a lot and so I uh we we look
at it and talk about it, like, okay, maybe there's
no one hundred percent new ideas. Yeah, but with the
options today you can there's also ways you can go wrong.
And I think that's when you need the talent of
a good designer and and over time to not just

(03:55):
pick out things you like, but pick pick out things
that go together and work well together. Yeah, it's I
love picking on the builders. To me, it's just fun
and it's a good support. But yeah, you mentioned that
going to your neighbor's house, and I have a friend
in Oregon and who you're when you were talking about
I was thinking about that. He said, well, it was
a small builder. He built this whole street. He said,

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my house is right there and right there, right there,
and then my friend's house is there there there there,
and it's pretty much pretty much the same. And I mean, uh,
spending the time on a to design a house from scratch.
The last the last two houses we built. We don't
build that many houses, but the last two we did.

(04:38):
That's what we That's how it went for us. We
spent six to nine months designing a house. And there
were things that homeowners and our designers thought they wanted
when we started that process that changed throughout time and
maybe got pitched out. And you know, I think that
if new construction operated that way, where it took that

(05:00):
long to get into action, we wouldn't we wouldn't get
my very money houses built. So like there is a
need for this other way to do it. But if
you've been through that process before a couple of times,
maybe now you're ready for something a little more challenging
and and to really end up with what you want
and possibly have less regrets when you when you when
you're at the end of the process, you know, then

(05:22):
then I think you need to take more time. You
need reaction time to these ideas you need Like Okay,
how many times did you see a car and think, oh,
I really want that car and then yeah, you drive
down the road and what happened? You see it? You
see another car that's really want Yeah, now you need
some time to make that decision.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
If I, if I had the space and the more
importantly the wallet, though, Mike, I'd have one of every car.
I was gonna I was gonna ask you too, and
is not to not to pick on the builders, because
I one thing I would like to kind of give
them a lot of credit for is.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Comp don't get mad at us, but no, they're just
easy sport.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, and they're doing what needs to be done. Is
we even even though with maybe some of the some
of the similar or or limited options, it's still better
than what I think of like back in like the
eighties and nineties. Now it's that is like literally like
cookie Cutter, every single all of the everybody had the

(06:16):
same hardware, everybody had the same countertop, everybody had the
same everything about it.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
And I was going to ask you, do you.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Ever yearn for those simpler times, where like with design,
it was kind of like, well, of course we're gonna
there's gonna be one kitchen light, there's gonna be uh,
these these oak cabinets, and they're we're gonna have white
appliances and we'll put the sink right in front of
that small window and everybody will be happy a job done.
It was so much easier.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I'll give you one great example, like like, now there's
a actually we're we kind of see this color in
the studio, yes, surprise, for the first fifteen years of
my career in Dane County, and when we were going
to go trim something we were when we were going
to do the injurior wouldwork. It was there's a good
chance it was going to be oak, and it was
going to be a color that's called fruit wood fruit

(07:03):
wood stain, and I see fruid like over here over here,
and h we actually have a stain in our shop
that we call old fruit wood matches up because sometimes
you know, we're we're not just replacing or we're fitting
in and uh, I'm glad it's gone. But we basically
had three colors of oak back then there's a natural
that one, and then like something darker Cienna or something

(07:25):
like that. And we actually used to keep it in
our in our in our backshop because you know, if
we ran short somewhere super easy, there's only three kind
of three options, then then it blew apart. Now there's
just a thousand options, and.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I think two about some of those simpler times, it
used to be like there used to be like these
really hard and fast rules, like if you went with
stainless steel or let's sees, let's just say stainless steel hardware.
Everything was gonna there wasn't mixing and matching like it
would seem off like if you're if the if there's
lighting in the in the in the it had like

(08:00):
a brush nickel, well then you're you're kind of tied
in now with brush nickel and everything that is in
this that goes and as we get into kitchens here, Uh,
kudos to your designers, is it's it's a much more.
It's great there's a million options, but that correct me
if I'm wrong. That also means there's the potential for
a million pitfalls, aren't they. You've really got to know

(08:20):
what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
There are a lot of options, and some are really
I don't know, say this like they impact the design
in a strong way, like some can be pretty bold.
Yeah that that thing where now we now there are
no rules, you know, I you know what. The designers
love it, right because now they can go, Okay, maybe

(08:43):
we don't have to match. Maybe we they say coordinate,
they coordinate something and so what it what it did
was it opened it up. But increasingly we have homeowners
that are intimidated by those options that go like, oh,
you know, I started looking at tiles and I didn't
realize there's just a billion tiles, Like how do I

(09:03):
pick one? There's a lot of ways to go about it.
One kind of fun thing for designers, I know, and
that can be helpful is when they have something that
they know they like. You know, I, for Homewerner really
likes the craftsmen style cabinets. Okay, now we can build
out from there because there's actually a style of things

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called transitional that's sort of a mixing of styles, believing
it's like a somewhere between traditional and contemporary is transitional,
and that like that that that craftsman style cabinetry fits
well into that into that style. So it's not like
you're limiting yourself. It's just I think that I think

(09:50):
it's good to have some kind of direction or at
least do some homework before you start this process. Is there?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I love the old phrase paralysis by analysis, and there is,
there is that's and that's And we talk about the
role then of a of a of working with a
good designer and working you know, your designers at edge
construction really helping people kind of dial in and giving
them options, but not throwing the whole you know, the
whole kit and kaboodle of like you know, we've got

(10:16):
we've got thirty thousand options for this knowing to here's
about twenty of them for you to kind of kind
of go over that probably fit. That's again talking about
the designers. That's a real uh you talk about a
great benefit. How great that is to have somebody that's
able to kind of give you because time is valuable,
give you your time to say these are the ones

(10:38):
that probably fit best with what you're looking at.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, I mean if you come into if you come
into our showroom and it's like kind of a selection day,
you know, Yeah, we're really figuring out what some of
the options are that cogunde. I mean, they could flood
you with those thousands of options, but it's a bad plan. Yeah.
Most of the time, they'll they'll do like you said,

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they'll have some there'll some they'll have some things picked
out and so if we we know generally where it's
going to go, they'll they'll have some choices kind of
separated for you, so you're not having to wade through
that forest of options to pick out something. And so, uh,
there's a lot of times that that we do that,

(11:23):
that our designers do that, and people are going, you know, nothing,
nothing is really striking my fancy, and we've got to
widen the search. Right. Designers can help with that too. Uh,
There's there's plenty of times that we we even though
we have a ton of options at our place, we
we start ordering some samples, we go, you know what, Okay,
we're not seeing exactly what we want home owners. Homwer's

(11:44):
giving us a better idea of what what we're missing.
Our people will do some searching and go, okay, who's
got what product? And it's not just okay the look,
because if I find the look in a in a
fifty dollars square footile, it's gonna be pretty tough on
the budget. So like that's that's where the designers are
kind of worth their metal too, because they can they

(12:05):
can find you something that's close or there and that
also works within our budget.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Doc's Morning with Mike two Egg of edge Construction the
website Edge Construction Company dot com. That's Edge Construction Company
dot com. Started this conversation talking about the website and
how valuable in what a great tool it is to
get some ideas. That's Edgeconstruction Company dot com. And from
there you also have that link on hows And when
we were talking then about the designers and kind of
getting a feel for the homeowners, house has been and

(12:34):
I know in talking with you has been a huge
resource for whether it's looking at projects that you guys
have done an edge construction or around the globe. Literally
people can see some ideas and really bring those to
the designers to say, hey, we really like this, and
your designers can get a really good feel for their
taste and style, can't they.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, houses just that good of an idea that I
wish I would have thought you.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Wouldn't be sitting here this morning, Mike, I'd be pretty
busy guy.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
That house now has something like a thousand in house
designers and and and people that work beyond the scenes
kind of tech people that that pull this stuff together.
And so what it is, what it's turned into, is
just a clearinghouse of uh information, uh for the for
building and remodeling our industry. You can source it now.

(13:26):
You can actually source products on there. There are pictures
where you can you can hover the mouse over a
light fixture that's in that picture and I'll and a
thing will pop up sixty dollars or something, you know,
and and tell you where to get it. And so
that's very cool stuff. I think, like, uh, homeowners for
us run the gamut, you know, like some really have

(13:47):
a clear idea of what they want, some and all
the way down to you know, I know nothing and
I haven't done any research. We send both to Howes
because for that person that's got this picture in their head, uh,
this is the in my mind, it's the best place
to kind of look for it. We have I think
over two hundred projects on hows I don't know how

(14:09):
many pictures are in there. I like it because it
kind of clears away, there's a little less, there's more
like just the facts. Man, you have right to things there.
And so for me it's kind of my favorite spot.
When I'm looking for something, I can go on House
and and you know, I never thought I would say this,
but now I actually will go use a little AI

(14:31):
help and go, Okay, I'm looking for this, how can
I word it in my search to find like what?
And then I do that on House, believe it or not,
and I have much more success because my brain doesn't
doesn't always ask the right questions.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
And so I never thought here the day that you
said you'd use AI for something, it is, as we
talk about, we're going to apply.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Also didn't figure that out on my own. Mother, you
might be able to do better with this.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
I as we talk as we do about about tech
and resources and other grade stuff, we're gonna apply this
to kitchen design, kitchen remodel, some of those those trends
as well things you see on hows and of course
heading on over to Edge Construction Company dot com, linking
over to How's Pinterest and Facebook, we'll talk about what
they're seeing when it comes to kitchen design and some

(15:19):
of the really cool features and things available to you.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Again the website.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Head on over Edgeconstruction Company dot com to off and
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Speaker 2 (16:03):
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Speaker 1 (16:04):
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Speaker 2 (16:11):
Edge.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Talking this week about some kitchen design trends and some
of those areas and I know we probably haven't had
any and may I could be wrong anything ground breaking
in the world of kitchens recently, but in the last
decade or so, I would almost call it groundbreaking. Uh,
quartz countertops seem to have been, at least to me,
like what do they call it? A disruptor, a game

(16:33):
changer either, it's like some tech word for it. But
quartz countertops have really become the go to now, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, even when when when we're at first visit and
and a lot of homers have had, you know, like
a stone maybe a granite in the past, and it's
been very popular in the last long time. But uh,
even when a Homer says to uh to me at
the beginning, I love granted, I want granted. And back
in my head, I'm going, well, you haven't seen the
courts rus yet because there's just so many more options

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and so like I talked about that, I talked about
that picture in your head a lot. The courts people,
I talk about them like they're this big committee, but
they're not. There's a bunch of a bunch of companies
that have just innovated over time, and it's and it's
happening at an exponential right now. A lot of great
US companies, by the way, and and not that far

(17:24):
from Wisconsin. If if they're not in Wisconsin, Uh, they're
mimicking stones from around the world. That's kind of I think.
How that's the way it looked like it started off
to me, especially when they started to be able to
really manage what the designs look like. They So if you, uh,
if you like an Italian marble from you know, Italy,

(17:48):
you you can they can replicate that course, and there's
a good chance there's something that looks very close to it.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Courts is of is us is the hardest. It's a
harder stone than granite, by the way, certainly harder than
something like marble. Uh. And I expect these these tops,
if the designs are really good and they don't get
torn out for another reason, Uh, they could last for forever.
Course you won't be all that because I'll be around
so well, is it is it safe to say?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Obviously quarts itself maybe not a trend, but like the
design options that you're talking there about about recreating you know,
just really like there is no limp.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
There's really no limit to what can be done as
far as style, and like with quartz, like if you
want it to look like marble, you didn't make it
look exactly like marble. You want it to be badger
read you can do Like there's really no limits to.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
What they can do, no limit because they're they're using
the stone to make the design, so they grind it
up fine, they they bind it together, ends up with
a super durable product. They you know, I talked about
them mimicking natural stones, and I noticed a couple of
years ago the manufacturers when I when I go to

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the national shows now, they're they're kind of like coming
up with their own things. And there was just a
a a natural event that's happening where I walked into one.
You know, these displays are huge. They're like the size
you know, each each piece of stone is the size
of this room and just standing end to end. And
I walked down like, well, I've never seen that these

(19:22):
are not stones found in nature. So like the coming
up with new stuff and uh again, like a designer,
it gets pretty excited about that stuff because sometimes there's
there's uh, you know, whatever came before doesn't quite make it.
You know, and it's a way to be you know,
find something unique and make it happen.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
So do we see other other you mentioned that some
of the other natural options. Are we still seeing things
like some of the other man made like the like
the famicas or whatever those were.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Was the quoreyan? Is that? What is quoreyan by brands
like a poored We call me acrylics. Okay, So they
they basically make a mold and then they would pour
you know, what would the what would you call it? Well,
the acrylics, it's like like a lick, almost like a liquid.
It's like say, dump this in the mold, it hardens up.

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Made a pretty good product, and it's the problem has
been probably it's it's really been a good thing. The
stones are going to last longer and hold up better.
In my eyes, there was a time where kind of laminate,
you know, the formica started off at mica, but then
you know, they lost the patent, so it's it's the

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laminate tops. They've gotten better too, like there's more options
and they look nicer than they ever have. It's just
pricing used to go let's say fifteen twenty years ago,
would go laminate and then the the acrylics and then
granted and then whenever courts kind of started edging, it
was really expensive. And now those laminate tops, you know,

(20:57):
they can be in the twenty to forty dollar arrange
per foot. The the crylics are like at least double
that and sometimes more because it's just let as demand
has gone down for him, the price has gone up,
you know, like there's less manufacturers. Uh, and a lot
of that stuff is made locally. Then you go to

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then you go to the granites, and they're they're just
their price has always been stable. I used to be
a fair amount less or half of course, and now
now courts has gotten so popular that they have options
now down to our cost at you know, forty fifty
dollars a foot. Wow, it's really there's really the quality
is the same, it's just the designs are less complicated.

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And so okay, are you if if your court's top
was five times laminate, a lot of people can't afford that.
If it's if it's only twice, you're going, Okay, Now
I get a top that I really like and it's
going to last forever and and uh, you know, and
out to maintain it and stuff like that. And so
I granted, by the way, I don't want to discount

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that product at all. It's a great product. It has
the courts people are smart and said, well, we don't
have to treat our product and granite you're supposed to
do it. It's so easy, like once a year, just spray
a little stuff on, wipe it off. That's it. Yeah,
So granted is still a great product. It's just the options, right,
we have I don't know how many hundreds, three, four

(22:21):
or five hundred quartz options in our shop, in our showroom,
we've got more granite than we've ever had, but it's
probably maybe forty or something like that. And so if
you're looking for a specific look, it's a little harder.
Plus the granites are it's a natural stone, so okay,
you pick it off a sample and the slab might well, look,

(22:43):
you know, it's similar, Yes, but it's a natural stone,
so it's not.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
It it's yeah, it's it's it's when nature created. And
I know obviously that also makes it very desirous as
well for the granite. When you were talking too about
about quartz, and it's just the how much it's come
down cost wise, are we seeing it then appearance I
used air quotes or actually wrote in my note quotes

(23:09):
lesser spaces, because all spaces are important. But like I
think of like a laundry room is like traditionally like
a place or maybe like a pantry where it might
go with a lesser you know, it's not as seen
by especially by guests, and as long as it's functional
and it's going to hold up, the ultimate material doesn't matter.
Are we starting to see quarts make kind of inroads
in those type of rooms as well?

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, definitely, that's that I think if something different gets
picked out in there, like the pantries, aren't necessarily a
space that people don't see now like a lottery okay, yeah,
I don't really want anything going in our lottery and
that would certainly be happy with the lamant or you know,

(23:53):
we've done more and more of the wood tops, the
kind of the butcher block hook. But in areas like
a pantry be very attractive. Uh, it's got a great
price point. Yes, it's a little more work for us.
We've got a fabricate and we've got to fit and
do some finishes on it. But it's a way to
get a great look. So it seems like there's definitely

(24:14):
a bent towards natural products, which I think is super healthy.
By the way, we always feel good about putting the
stones or wood into how in a house versus the Okay,
I'll pick on the lamb plastic laminate that's the name
of it, so you know, we know what that is.
That's a petroleum product. Again, been a great product my grandpa.

(24:35):
By the way, my start construction probably started with my
grandpa back in the thirties of the last century, and
and uh, you know he did our forties he started
installing laminate counters he made for mica tops in his garage. Wow,
went out and started installing all that.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
To me, that's very cool and obviously at the time too,
that was that was cutting edge.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, I feel bad too.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
As soon as we start talking about pantries, I'm like,
I've seen some of the pantries at Edge Construction Company
dot Com that you guys have done, and again it
fits perfectly. By the way, and well I want to
ask you it. I'm gonna we'll just real quickly get
into pantries. As far as kitchen trends you mentioned, you know,
pantries are are not hidden away. And I've seen it
for folks that have seen and had a chance to

(25:20):
go over to Edgeconstruction Company dot com, these are show pieces.
I mean this is they have come a long way
with pantries and for folks that have maybe the right
space or the right thing, you guys have done some
really really cool things with pantries. It is that kind
of a new trend that we're seeing is almost like
a new is old again, where like people are saying,

(25:40):
we really want to have a really nice functional pantry.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah. I think sometimes our pantries get more attention than
the kitchen. It's but it's like, okay, you're the storage
options now that people have per things you can you
can you can still warri your food and in a
way that's attractive, you know, it's an attractive look. I

(26:06):
mentioned the the wood tops, the the We do quite
a few of the open shelves in those pantries, and
I mean, okay, if you just filled that with that
space with cabinets with doors and you can have everything away,
you could pack stuff in there. It's not about necessarily
people are willing to give up some of that like
intense storage to get a look that they want to

(26:29):
get and I think and I think I would be
really proud to have one of those pantries. They're really cool.
They're fun to do for us, by the way, a
lot of a lot of fun, and the designers can
really uh let they're like they can shine in that
spot too. I still remember one.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
It's probably been four or five years ago that was
up an edgeconstruction company dot com. And the one thing
I remember inside it was it was beautiful. You mentioned
the open shells, but the one thing that just really
stood out to me was it had a glass frosted
glass door on it and it's just and it's a
It had like pantry stenciled in.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I mean it is. It's a cool.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Really, I have a feeling whoever owns that to this
day when they have company over, you're like, come.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Check out my pantry pantry. If you mentioned that real quick.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
As as we touch on pantries, the design of a
pantry is, you know, we think about like smaller spaces.
So I think of like the creativity and the and
the real you know, kind of emerging with the designers
and and the builders to really kind of make this
make these things successful and work as well as they do.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, and and most of the pantries that we do
are pretty utilitarian, right, like there's not the space to
do a big walk in pantry. When there is, and
and homers want to do that. It's sure is fun.
But even when it's a reach in three foot wide
kind of closet the storage, we still want to make

(27:53):
it attractive and having a you know, you can be
thoughtful on that also because you just having two foot
deep shelves that you can't see anything in the back
of it. That's that's I mean, it gets the job done,
but is that really where you want to go?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Really as functional the way that you want to be
And that's the we talk about talk about starting that
conversation talking kitchen trends and other cool things to be done.
Make sure you head on over to the website Edgeconstruction
Company dot com get some idea. It's been thinking about
doing some reer modeling, whether it's a kitchen, whether it's
the whole home, whether you're thinking about it maybe adding
an addition. They'd love to talk to you at Edge Construction.
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(28:31):
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I think we might have to add a second. I
feel like this hour goes way too fast, Mike. I
think we might have to add a second. It's so

(28:51):
much fun talking about this stuff. And we're talking this
week with Mike Twoigg about some of the designs when
it comes to kitchens and kitchen trends and some of
the really cool things out there. I mentioned the website
Edge Construction Company dot com. You want to see what
some great work looks like. Checkout Edgeconstruction Company dot com.
Also check out their links to Pinterest, Facebook, and especially
howse hou zz. And we're talking just before the break

(29:14):
about things like pantries and spaces like that. And there
is an overall trend in kitchen remodels Mike, and correct
me if I'm wrong. Where it used to be like
cabinet every inch everywhere you could if you could store
and cram Moore junk in there.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Folks wanted a place to do it. Now.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I think people are starting to get a little bit
more like, well, let's think about like pairing things down,
what do we need, and really putting function and then aesthetics,
and like how it looks as a slightly high as
a higher priority. You think about things like open shelves
and other things people are really paid placing a priority
on how it looks, not just how much can it hold.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, how it looks and feels, and it's not just okay,
there's the utilitarian side of the kitchen where it needs
to do all the things that at the kitchen does. Right.
You got, in my case, you got to make toast
and poor a cup of coffee. But you know, if
you're a cook and you want to I think too
also when you are. We've done some kitchens for some

(30:14):
really amazing chefs, like they do that kind of cooking
when you're spending a lot of time in there. Yeah,
you just don't want to stare at an ugly four walls, right,
Like you want to have some things that are pleasing
to the eye. There's also the entertainment side of that kitchen,
So it's like your pantry needs to be attractive. I

(30:34):
think it started off. But you know, it's kind of
when we started doing the show all those years ago,
was we would talk about making it putting a bigger
window in there, and it was a big deal because
people would we have to they got to be willing
to give up a cabinet or two, an upper cabinet
or two to make space for that window. And all
of a sudden, homeowners are saying, yeah, I think I
like the idea of that, and maybe you we'll pare

(30:58):
down our kitchen a little bit and maybe not store
everything in there that we had before that, by the way,
has happened with the open you mentioned the open shelves.
I'm thinking of a kitchen that we actually worked on
this house. I think three times we came time to
do the kitchen. It's on the west side and a
smaller house, but on the west side, beautiful little place.

(31:20):
And when it came down to do the kitchen, I
was thinking, Okay, the the ceilings aren't real tall. It's
a tiny space, smaller than the space were in the studio.
Imagine a studio. They're not very big, and the homeowners
like I think the only upper cabinet in that kitchen
ended up being above the fridge, and I was kind

(31:40):
of blown away at first. I was like, yeah, we're
going to put your stuff, and they just were not
worried about it. And when I saw it when we
were done, we did open shelves and we put a
bigger window in and and it was they were entertainers
and so they did the best they could to make
it attractive and work with a designers. And I saw

(32:01):
they set it up. I'm like, you know what, they
did pretty good. I mean they got all the things
that were essential to a kitchen and they did like
to cook, so it covered it. A lot of the
organizational stuff, by the way, you know that you can
get with cabinets see aftermarket things that also you know,

(32:22):
you're thinking, okay, if I'm going to get organized, if
I'm going to put an organizer in a cabinet, it's
not because you're going to get more stuff in there.
You're actually get less, but you're gonna be able to
see and get to that stuff. And so yeah, those
choices are getting made, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's it's interesting when you mentioned entertaining and then i'd
kind of twofold entertaining and then removal of some of
those some of those upper upper cabinets. Islands seem to
have really filled for good reason, folks. I know, if
they have the space, are adding them. But I feel
like it not only is it a great place to entertain,
but if you're going to remove some of those cabinets

(32:57):
and you're able to add an island, now you've got
lower cup versus lower cabinets, and it kind of can
check too. Is an island like part of that every
conversation with a kitchen to see, even even a smaller one,
to see is there a way to fit one in
or that. I mean, I've got to guess that they're
at least part of every conversation it is.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I mean, if we can get one in there. It
seems like for the past lot of years we've we've
been we've been getting it in there, and we've had
we've got options from our cabinet company where we can
do we call them reduce depth cabinets, So like a
normal lower cabinets twenty four inches, we can get it
down to eighteen and still have working drawers and good
shelves and things, and so that sometimes can help us

(33:36):
if we're in a smaller space. There's plenty of times
we're taking a wall out and going, Okay, we're gonna,
we're gonna get out island in. We're gonna a lot
of times that means we're eliminating our corner cabinet, Like
we can straighten out the kitchen a little bit on
one side and maybe eliminate one of those corner cabinets
which we whine about all the time. But yeah, I
think the island is okay. We've got storage, We've we've

(34:03):
talked about the entertainment value of an island, like it's
it's people like standing around things, and so you'll see
people don't our house. People congregate around the island.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
So that's where they go, very conducive to socialize and
set some set some food out, set some drinks out.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
It's a it's goat.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Are we just mentioned earlier, you said I wish I
would have come up with hows what about islands? Like
did did did Victorian's homes have? Like when did islands
start first appearing? And why haven't they just always like
that seems like another one of those things like house
as long as we've had the internet should have been there,
islands as long as we've had kitchens should have been

(34:40):
part of part of that design. Is that something that
was in and then went away or just is something
that newly.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Really big houses there were I remember seeing some old
houses that had islands, but generally in normal size homes,
the step the steps went nothing too all the more
inviting kitchen to a peninsula, maybe that you could sit
at kind of a breakfast bar type, And then that

(35:08):
progression went to, okay, can we get in an island
in a kind of an average house, Like, how do
we do that? Can we we Sometimes we have to
just change the design a little bit or open up
a wall, or maybe there's enough space and we're just
not using it right. And so I think too, when
we're you know, if we're coming in and really we're

(35:29):
looking at we're listening to you describe what you want,
but we're also looking at this kitchen, going okay, what's
not working here? And to me, expanses of counter space
or something that that's one of the first places I go,
That's what I'm looking at. So those eighties and nineties houses,
it was really common to have stove or cooked top

(35:50):
on the wall and then maybe eighteen inches or small
counter stops on either side, I'm like, oh boy, what
do you do it? Then? Not good? Right, And so
if there's a way to fix at the addition of
the island gives you so much good A big open
expanse of countertops, great prep space, good cooking space and
as all as you're not staring at a wall too

(36:11):
while you're doing it. So it's got a lot of advantages.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
It does, It sure does. That's one of the great
things too about starting that conversation. When you think about
doing that kitchen ro model. Edge Construction love to talk
to you, maybe get an island, make it a little
bit more welcoming and inviting, a whole lot more welcoming
and inviting, and a much more functional as well. Great
day to start that conversation. I got to just pick
a phone game A call six so eight six three
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you by Edge Construction Online, Edge Construction Company dot com.
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talk kitchens, I know, we always it's always like we
should do like a week's worth of shows easily on
that because it's such a great thing with kitchen remodels

(36:56):
and just real quick is is four folks that are
that are thinking about doing them, kind of tell them
what's a good starting point. Obviously talking with the folks
at Edge Construction that kind of one of those things too.
You want to get over to House and Edgeconstruction Company
dot com to kind of get some ideas and get
that get those juices flowing.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I always think it. I mean, listen, we'll come out
and talk to you no matter what. If if I
had my choice, I'd say it'd be great if everybody
did a little bit of homework before. I mean, I
think it's just healthy because it means the time is
going to be spent more efficiently when you're telling somebody
what you want, and not everybody has the time to

(37:35):
do that or the inclination. Some people just go, you know,
And I'm a little bit this way myself. If I
wasn't in this business what I know anything about design,
probably not, but I've learned how to get my lane
and houses very helpful, so you know, over the life
span of a of a house. There's very few people

(37:59):
that can and have a vision of where it's gonna
go from back then. I think about when you moved
in your house, like you probably are purchasing things for
your house now that you wouldn't you didn't know where
available or weren't or weren't attracted you back then. I mean,
so you taste change, so see you sort of It
can be tough for designer to set, you know, to
figure out what where you're at on design, what you

(38:22):
like just by looking at the stuff you bought over time.
You know, sometimes it's a hodgepodge right, like it's it
doesn't make sense after a while, and that's that's when
it's a good time to get a hold of desire.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I think of those when I was in my twenties,
those trips to Ikea, which now you're going, what the heck,
what's that thing?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, exactly, great day to start that conversation.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
I'm gonna just pick a phone, give a call six
so eight six three six three three four three that
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Speaker 2 (38:48):
The Homer Modeling Show right here on thirteen ten. Wu
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