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teleph number six so eight six three six three three
four three that number six three six Edge. Joining us
this morning from Edge Construction. Mister Mike two Weig Mike,
How you doing this week, rat Sean, Good to see you.
We've got got a something that you know very well,
tips for choosing and working with a builder, and we're
going to talk about what that, what that all entails
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and some of the things to uh to consider and
I know timeline and one of the things to talk
about is not approaching a builder too soon, but also
I'm going to guess too late. You don't want to
be like I want to start tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Because that's not that didn't happen, you know, it.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Doesn't have it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Before we get to tho this week's conversation, I did
want to just talk with you a little bit about
as we're getting to the to the later in the
year and this time of yere. You guys work year
round at edge construction. You are quite busy during during
the winter months, aren't you.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of a lot of
a lot of families at edge construction, and so we
take that responsibility pretty seriously. And we's it's not like
we don't. It's not we steer work into winter months
because it's not that would never work anyways. It's not
as it doesn't work like that. But we try not
to do big outside products, especially if we have to
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tear a house open and expose it to the weather.
We don't love doing that when it's you know, zort
of degrees out or something. But we do have an
addition all that I'm thinking about. It's an audition coming
up with starting in a few weeks, probably after Thanksgiving.
Week after Thanksgiving or so, we're gonna take the roof
off a garage. It's a two story house, kind of
split level thing. And we're gonna put a master suite
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above the garage, so that'll be an interesting and fun project.
You know, this is one where our only connection to
that house is a hallway some steps, so it's I
think we can pretty much get it built, certainly closed
in and built windows in it, things like that, and
then we'll do that last part where we connect that
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to the rest of that was.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Hopefully around Christmas.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh, that's really really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And with that stuff too, is as we talk about,
you know, projects that whether it's an addition you're getting
going on or kitchen basement, any kind of remodeling. This
stuff has been in planning and work for for a while.
I know for folks that don't know, if you're new
to the program, welcome to the show. But one of
the things that's really important to you might get everyone
at edge construction for really good reason is planning and
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having a good plan and having a good timeline in
place before before work is beginning.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, and weirdly, the you know, there's there's a lot
of things that are predictable in our world and kind
of we try to control as much as we can.
The pervitting process has gotten over the last couple of years.
I don't know why. I'm not sure why, but has
gotten less predictable in some of these bigger projects. You know,
we spend six months in design and figure out what
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we're going to do and picking out things and going
through all the nuts and bolts of you know, on
a bigger project, and then we're okay, now we're we
signed a contractor we're ready to go get permits. And
I was like, it's things slowed down. So this one
was I think it was pretty close to four months
to get permits straightened out here. It was not zoning,
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it was not construction, it was adding a bedroom in
a country house. And so they're on well in septic
and you find out pretty which I obviously knew this before,
but you find out pretty quickly that Dane County Sewer
and Water Committee, whatever you want to call it, they
are the most powerful people in this area. It is
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not the governor, is not the mayor, it's not not
your county execs.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's not sewn down in Edgerton.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
No, it's because nothing else happens unless that gets figured out.
And you know, if they are if they have a backlog,
it's like, well you know, sorry, we'll we'll get to
it in a few months now, sort of what I'm
not I'm exaggering probably a little bit. But because they're not,
they're not hard to deal with, Like we just have
to you have to jump through their hoops and give
them whatever time they need to to turn things around. So,
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uh literally a couple weeks ago, I got a note
text note saying we got the we got through that
committee and then we finished zoning and and building permit
within a couple of weeks, so that we were all
ready for that. But it's a lot of a lot
of things there that people don't realize. Okay, we're gonna
we're gonna start designing a bigger project for next year.
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Like about half of our year is probably committed for
next year, and especially in the big stuff, so we
have we kind of have room for one or two
more uh sneak them in before it gets cold out,
before it's November next year, at least to get projects
closed in on the bigger stuff. But you know that's
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you know, we're talking nine ten months away, but we
sort of need all those nine ten months.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You mentioned two permits, and obviously if you're if you're
building in the city or I know, obviously if you're
right downtown. Certain districts are different. Is is some of
the rural areas. I think sometimes people think that, well,
if I live outside of the city of maybe I
live in the town of or the village of that,
that I don't have to worry about this stuff. They
all have some type of permitting process as well, don't they.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
They do, they do, I'll the truth is out in
the in the outlying areas, they tend to have a
condensed procedure, which is so you're dealing with less people.
Like all of those committees I mentioned are now handled
by one person ari zoning and buildings, and usually they're
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like their deaths are around the corner from each other.
So it's really ice because you can go in and
have a conversation. Okay, if you're going to kick something
back to us saying we haven't yet put it, it's
not right on the plan, or it's not exactly in
the format they want it, we can ask, you know,
like what, Okay, you get to a bigger entity like
Dane County or Madison, and I wouldn't say they are
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really any tougher everybody's following pretty much the same rules.
But it's like, okay, now, now we aren't able to
just walk in there and sit down with somebody and go, okay,
let let's tiron this out because you know, there's too busy,
they have too much on their plate, and things aren't
as connected down there, so they might be in different
buildings or different areas, or somebody might be working from home.
So it's that part can be a little tougher.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Kind of a different workflow there. Who then, and I
know we're going to talk about working with a builder
when it comes to permits and those type of would
be a good idea.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
To ask, Okay, what do you think of the permitting process?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
See how experienced you are with us?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you'll learn a lot from your builder
if you that. It is an important though question to
ask about it and understand is like, when it comes
to permitting, who's handling all that? Even something as I
and I use air quotes because I know it's not
a simple thing. In some cases, it's something as simple
as that building permit. Uh, you want to know about that,
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don't you? Like?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Who's going to be responsible for that?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Base level is if you're gonna work with a contractor,
you you want them to be pulling the permit. Okay,
for what it means, they have sort of a benchmark
level of insurances. I mean a state forces you to
do that. They make you in order to get the
license to pull the permit, like like I've got you,
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you have to do continuing education.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So they're they're.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You know, I was gonna say, making you sit through
these classes online, but it really literally is like that.
To do our ours ours is twelve hours of continuing education.
The way the setup is now, it used to be like,
really great, I could I could and experience somebody with
a lot of experience could sit down and skip ahead
to the test and take it, get it done in
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like an hour, and yeah, okay, I was you don't
love school and then end up being a carpenter.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So this was perfect for me.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
But now to do that twelve hours probably takes about
twenty four hours because it's you know, it's timed answers
and it's much more complicated.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And what they're doing is.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
They're forcing you to revisit all these things. And it
is healthy because the code changes all the time. So
if you're not doing this stuff in order to get
that license which allows you to pull those permits. Right,
I think it shows some investment in your career. And
it also is good to you know, to stay up
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on the changes and do the math sometimes right like now, Inspectors,
when it first started happening a few years ago, I
kind of get insult a little bit, you know, like,
I've been at this a while and you're making me,
now do the math on a floor load or a
beam load. I know this stuff in my head, but
when I when I do the math now, it's sort
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of Inspector started asking for this few years ago. So
I started doing the math, like pulling out the book
and a calculator and going, okay, I can I can
do this, and and those classes will make you do
this too, And if you're younger at it, it's a
really great experience because if now, if I'm doing that
beam load, I'm going, you know what, I figure every
beam load because even if I know it's going to
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carry the weight, because it might make me, it might
make it might give me options on what I can
make those beams out of, right, or we're going in
the weeds here.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
It's fascinating stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Though if you have you ever had.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
A house where the floor bounce, like if you walk
across it and you can feel the floor moving. So
we call that deflection. So if I'm figuring a floor load,
I can go, well, I want my maximum deflection to
be about a quarter of finance or five sixteens. We
sometimes work for other bill that they're especially new construction.
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They'll max out they're gonna go like three corners, you know,
and then you put a big heavy island on it
and a couch and a massive fridge and it's like, oh,
this thing is really moving.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't want our jobs to have that. And so
you can pick those numbers, but you need to be
able to do the math.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, I've been in places where like, yeah, I can
get it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And feel that.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I mean those by the way it's it had if
it has to support the load, right, So even if
that floor is moving, A lot of times home owners go,
you know, this is just looks really bad and I
don't you know, I don't there's one thing that you
don't like it. But if it meets the minimum codes,
well you know, yeah, some builders will do that stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
So with that too, is we talk about permits. Opening
permits is one thing. Closing permits also is something a
lot of people don't think about. Clearly, there's a backlog
that will show this. Is that something to be askinger contractor?
Like the open permits? Yeah, please don't ask us.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Now, we do some.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Open permits and mostly ours are or we you know,
we have to clean these up every year or so.
And what we find is mostly it is a paperwork
glitch in the entity that sends out the permit and
the and the inspector to close out the permit, like
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we'll get a we'll get a green tag, which we
save all those tape pictures of them they're logged in
and homewner files and job files because in a year
the city might say, well you have you have five
open permits, so we can go back and go, well,
you did final inspection and you green tag this, why
is it still saying open? Oh, no problem, we'll fix that.
So we we hate open I really hate open permits.
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There's been a we're an electrical contractor and uh, there
was something like thirty five hundred open electrical permits last year.
It's a real problem. The city started focusing on it,
and there were just some disconnections between inspectors and the
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city and electricians and and I've never met an electrician
that it wants to leave anything unsafe. And usually they're
kind of you know, you sort of overbuild jobs so
that you don't have a problem.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
But yeah, that that is a good thing.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I mean, you know, it's not a it's not a
great thing for for a builder to have open permits.
But to be honest, if if a builder's doing a
lot of work, you're gonna have some open performance.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And for one, it's some of that too.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
As we think about some of these communities where you know,
I think about we talked earlier about like edge construction.
You guys are working year round and and you know,
projects are completed, things are inspected, signed off on next
next project. Is this sometimes happen where like like things
get signed, But sometimes these inspectors and those closing out
the permits just start getting overwhelmed. Like I think of seasonally,
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like springtime, I see a lot of people going to work.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Is it is it? One could is that part of
it as well?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I think so, But they would never assure Yeah, I
don't think I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Generally the rules are I believe they have in Dane
County like three days too. If we call for inspection,
they're supposed to be in the three It's it's almost
never that we don't get it the next day, and
so we're not We're not in a position to say, hey,
we need you the SAFT. I think that'd be unreasonable
because they are they have to plan their day too,
and some inspectors cover quite a bit of ground and
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so I'm guessing Edgerton probably doesn't have everyday inspections. No, No,
it's like twice a week maybe.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Or something maybe Maybe.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Generally it's a say like that will contract. So there's
a there's one main company that kind of does the
whole area of the smaller entities, so like you don't
have to have nets. I mean, you may have an
od staff person. I doubt it, but this is really
good for I know we're in the weeds, but that
system where there's a company that basically and trains inspectors
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is great for us and I think for for vanities
like a smaller smaller city, because you don't have to
manage it. They train, they do code training when somebody
is on vacation or having a baby.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Uh, they have somebody else that can step in and
we get to know these people, they get to know
us and uh and we learned their process. Okay, we
know what paperwork they want when when it comes time
to apply for that permit or apply for zoning, and
all that stuff just kind of smooth smooths out the
process quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Until I started getting involved with city stuff, I never
noticed the little white cars with the maroon logo on
the side.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
And now you see them. Every're like, I know.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Who those got?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
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be able to teach like a college level class.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yes, because uh, for folks that know.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
During that entire break, that's Mike and I just talked
about how these work. It is complicated and uh and
it's I think some of that too is we talk
about kind of navigating different municipalities, different rules, and some
of the some of the expectations of that is it's
important when you work with a contractor to kind of
understand the relationship. Should that by the way, just one
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final thing and then we do a whole segment on permits,
But that is something you should be asking, is like
who's going to pull the permit? And you should you
should spect your contract to be doing that, right.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So there's obviously if if we're talking about it, then
there's another option, right where you hire somebody that says
they can do the job, they don't have the right licenses.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
To pull the permit.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Those type of people always know that the homeowner in
Wisconsin can pull their own permit. You can pull your
own electrical permit, your ownvation.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah that's not scary, No, that's terrifying. Right, you can
pull it all.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You can pull the building permit.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
It still has to go through the right inspections and
if you're not capable of doing the work and whatever,
inspectors will get frustrated with you. Right, because what homeowners
don't realize that when they price the permit, So say
a finished basement permit is maybe averages seven hundred and
fifty bucks. That covers you know, some paperwork and wasting
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their time down at the municipality building. But it also
pays for that person that that inspector to come out.
I'd say it at the least three times. Right, they'll
come out and inspect mechanicals, framing, insulation, and final so
I guess that's four times. But yeah, that that that
funds that and if you're if you're bringing them out
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and continually failing inspections, so they're coming out six eight twelve.
I think I had an inspector tell me that to
go to twenty times to somebody's.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
They were not happy.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
They were not thrilled because you know that's a losing proposition,
and it's frustrating, like you know, they have other things
to do, like we were talking about. But I think
the biggest reason, one of the biggest reasons to to
have your contractor pull the permit is it's another layer
of responsibility. Right, if you're pulling the permit and this
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thing goes heywire, it's it's really on you. Yeah, you
may have hired somebody that claims they're an independent contractor
and whatever, But okay, if they are, why don't they
have the wherewith all the police permits, Why don't they
have the license? Maybe they don't have the right insurance.
What if they get injured on your job? What if
they bring people into work that aren't properly insured. That's
another big thing. So there's a lot of reasons to
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have that contractor that can pull the permit.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But I ask you about that. You mentioned that layer.
Another layer of responsibility you mentioned that insurance and other
things is being you know, you think about your home,
a big investment. That is something for a lot of us,
probably the biggest thing we're ever going to buy in
our lifetime. You want to know that who's doing the
work on it, not only is there is their workmanship covered,
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but also their workers are covered as well. Is that
that's an important thing? Is like are you insured?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
That's a huge saying.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
If you're not in construction, you assume if you hire
a company that sends somebody out to do the work,
that they're if they get hurt, that contractor has workmen's
comp and they're going to be covered. And in construction,
I don't know what the numbers are. If I had
a guess, I'd say it's a fifty to fifty chance.
You know that they have work comp on them. All
of our people have work comp. We only hire subs
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that that have real employees that are that are are
on the payroll that workman's comp is being paid on.
Because I'll just give you an idea of some of
the injuries we've had, right. Uh, first, real bad knee injury. Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
One of my one of my employees.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Had been a garbage right a tote had to make
a six inch step down into a driveway that had
a little gravel in it.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
And it was a sunny, nice day, it wasn't like
snowy icy knee buckle tore everything you know out for
six months, Uh, those injuries those six months now are
minimum of one hundred thousand dollars for work comp you know,
like so like we see the figures on that if
that person, if you hired that person as a homeowner, uh,
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and the injuries bad enough, they can go, Well, what
is the was the homeowner negligent in some way? Maybe
there was a little life out of their homework. Homer
didn't have some salt down. Maybe they're twenty percent label
for that one hundred thousand dollars injury. Maybe it's five percent.
It's still a lot of money. What if that person
trips has brain damage instead of that? Does happen? Our
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worst injury, by the way, was my original employee, Jimmy
still works for us. Jimmy slipped on the ice few
years ago. I broke his elbow and a shoulder. And
it's been with me since nineteen ninety. We've been together,
and you know, he got severely hurt and it will
never be at He works about sixty hours every two weeks,
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where Jimmy. I always joked Jimmy, if I'd let him
mark one hundred hours a week, he would. But it's
just like he's that same guy, you know, like, these
injuries take a toll. They're very expensive. That was many
hundreds of thousands dollars on like a three year recovery
just from slipping a. So a homeowner does not want
to be responsible for those injuries. And I'm talking obviously
worst case scenario, but oh we what else do we have?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
We had an idiot employees, sorry, you know who you are.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
A couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Sean's laughing.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
But instead of using you know to when working above
a stairwall, we have those kind of alligator level ladders,
you know, they fold different ways and we can get
a nice level spot to stand. He decided to put
a five gallon pail on the stairway on one of
the steps and try to get up there and nail
some stuff off. Okay, falls down, shoulder injury. It's ninety
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thousand dollars. This can happen. By the way, if you're
if you're hiring this person that is not covered by
Workmen's comp what's their experience level. It's probably more towards
the starting out level. They're in our world, they're much
less safe. Even in our company, we keep much closer
eye on those, on those young ones and make sure
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that you know until like safety is just ingrained in
them that this doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
But like, like I said, that's kind of base level.
We've had.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
We had some really by the way, uh work for
lawyers and executives that write contracts that'll uh that'll really
dig into what kind of insurances we have because they
they're aware of what can go wrong on the legal side.
And we are happy to provide all that information. By
the way, and it's like free of charge. You you
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get a lot of peace of mind.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I was earlier this week.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
We're talking with the financial person and they use the
term wildfire protection or something that effect. It's like they're like,
because wildfires are exceedingly rare, but gosh forbid, if you're
ever caught in one, your house, your proper, it's a
it's devastating.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And we talked about something and did you look up
do we have that here wildfires or THO?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
No, is that in our Is that a writer in
our insurance plans?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
It's a good quiet We're gonna have to get to
get those lawyer friends that read you with that though,
is is in and and I'm gonna guess The reason
why some may not or a lot may not carry
that insurance is, I'm gonna guess that's not a for
edge construction. It's probably a pretty hefty premium just to
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ensure that to have that coverage.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Very painful peace of mind. Yes, it's so just not
that anybody needs to know this, but just it shows
you how how many injuries do happen, and how severe
they can be, and how expensive.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
They can be.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
But on our on our outside people, it's about twenty
percent of the payroll. So an average, an average one
of our outside crew members fifteen to twenty thousand dollars
a year just for that insurance on them individually, each one.
So the state takes this pretty seriously. If the if,
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if that, if that person you hire that doesn't have
any of this has a bad injury, and the lawyers
start looking around, who can we, who can we who
can accept some of this liability? The state says, the
fly for not providing that insurance when you should is
something like five hundred dollars a day per incurrence or something.
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It's super expensive. So there's a lot of reasons to
deal with a legit contract. I know it's not there's
we hope there's room for everybody out there, but it's
it's not worth the it's worth the peace of mind
to pay that.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
By the way, uh, you know, I don't have to worry.
And when when somebody slips on the ice, I know
where they're covered and their families.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And what's important too is and you know, and we
look at like all the great pictures, all the great work,
and and really that's very important. You also want to
make sure though, that is as you talk about this,
you mentioned the importance of asking and you know, very freely.
I know you guys at Edge construction you ask about
the insurance that type of thing, very very freely. Share
that stuff. It's really important. That's you know again, maybe
that maybe not the flashy.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Person you have to talk about something positive. It's just
kind of diversing.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So here's what we're gonna do, Mike next say that
we're going to talk about to talk about some of
the some of the beautiful work and some of the
really cool things to consider when it comes to you
using a contractor a builder to work with. Again, got
the important a lot of the important stuff out of
the way, We'll get to the fun stuff. We'll do
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edge last segment really important stuff, you know, not the
most glamorous an uplifting part, but it is a harsh
reality of that. And you know one of our conversations
during the break involved, you know, talking a little bit
about injuries and and and folks in the industry that
get injured, but also homeowners far more likely to get injured.
(26:12):
A lot of it has to do with with right tools,
right training. And one of the things I know it
hits construction. You guys provide really good training and really
good tools to everybody's construction. You guys have all that
you have. I'm always jealous because you have like all
like the fun toys too.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yes, yeah, right, boy, yeah, where do you even start
that conversation? The the I was telling Sean, I probably
don't have the figure quite right, but I think it's
around three times. If there's two hundred thousand injuries a
year in construction, I should know this, But there's something
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like six or eight hundred thousand injuries a year in
construction that home owners get into trouble on their own?
Is there like emergency room visits so that that missing
finger used to always be somebody that was in construction
or the navy or something. I don't know what it was,
but now it could be a homeowner that that drives. Actually,
one of my own employees, his dad was had the
(27:14):
bright idea to use his table saw to uh to
cut some wood for his woodstove and took off four fingers. Now,
well it was like small brushing thing, but he was
running him through a table saw and his fingers went
with it. And I think they reattached. But you know,
I'm assuming they're not quite the same. But yeah, stuff
(27:34):
can happen, So, I mean, people do do stupid stuff.
So I you know, if you look at the we
we have. Our our group came in this week and
we did our we do a safety meeting is part
of anything that we do, and we're always talking about
how to not get injured because you know, if you
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think of all the how many cuts a finished carpenter
makes in their lifetime, how many have I made? I
don't know. I mean I think I added it up.
It's a couple thousand cuts per house. Our our finished side,
our new construction, the side that we'll resupport the builders
and where we do inside woodwork. We have done upwards
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of twenty five or thirty thousand houses since I started
doing it, wow, believe it or not, in Dane County.
So it's a lot of houses, a lot of exposure,
a lot of cuts. We have had some cut fingers,
haven't haven't shortened any I'm knocking.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
On wood right now.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But yeah, it happens fast, and it's it's always been
when somebody's not using the tool the correct ways. So
those by the way, I don't want to see aybody
get injured. But on the on the financial side, these
injuries are really tough for billers too. It's like even
when you're insured, it's a there's a lot of incentive
to not have injuries and to train your people out
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of these bad habits they might have, try and catch them.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I know you and I are both big fans of
This Old House, and I remember I think it was
one of those Ask This Old House episodes they had
been they'd shown these tools and I don't know that
I've seen him before, but like saws and other things,
and they were using hot dogs as a demo. Or
they take like a piece of wood and they put
a hot dog behind it and literally they they'd run
the they'd run the stock through there, and as soon
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as that that blade touched that hot dog, it like
dropped down. And like, do we see that? Is that
stuff out on the market? Is that stuff available or
is that just something.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
It is our our shop saw that I use in
my shop at the at edge is a saw is
a saw stop saw saw stop, And what it does
is it detects anything that can conduct electricity. So like
wood is not a very good conductor. If that wood
has a chunk of a nail buried in it somewhere,
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that that saw is going to hit it and it'll
it throws a chunk of aluminium into the saw blade.
Oh wow, like in a fraction of a second. So
I love this story because this the guy that came
up with this product saw. He came up with the mechanism.
He used to have to buy this mechanism in bolta
to your table saw and it was kind of cumbersome
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to do, so not everybody opted for it.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Plus, you know we're younger.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
We all felt invincible, so we don't need that. But
I remember when he first started showing up with the
Biller shows, this is over twenty years ago, and he
would he would The Biller Show was five days, and
he would demonstrate on a finger a day. He would
put his own fingers and he literally would it would
it would kind enough, just a little red line would show,
but it wouldn't and it wasn't Like he gently put
(30:31):
it in there.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
He would like put it in there.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
And then the the NHBR National Organization said all right,
we're not You can't keep putting your fingers in saws
like people are gonna think they can do this. So
but yeah, I turned out and the neat thing about
that company, and I know we're off track, but that company,
I bought their saw, and not just because it's it's safer, Okay,
(30:56):
I bought it because it's one of the first fully
redesigned saws in my lifetime. You know, table saws haven't
much change shop table saws are pretty much the same,
except for this one.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
They they they, they they they made a.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Great saw, a better saw than I felt I could buy,
you know, anywhere else. And plus it's got safety issue
which has not gone off yet. I've had the saw
for probably five years, and so I don't know. It's
one of those things like if you if you didn't
have it in there, maybe somebody would get hurt. But again,
it's it's our most experienced carpenters. We talk a lot about, Okay,
(31:35):
you're every cut you make is just it has to
be just like your first one. You can never feel safe.
You can never feel like you're too good to get injured.
You never feel like you're you know, you got this
covered and you can you can do something else while
you're cutting things. I don't know, watch TV or something. Now,
you can do anything right, You've got a smartphone.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, exactly, and great guidance advice on this one thing
to I want to ask you about. You mentioned the
shop at the at Edge Construction. One of the things
that you guys do at Edge Construction is you can
do very very custom work. Is and I think about
what you know, some of the things that you've you've
created for for homes and remodeling projects over the years.
(32:12):
Is one of the cool features and that may be
something worth asking a contractor is can you do custom things?
If I want to do maybe a vent hood, or
I want to have a very custom cabinet, or maybe
I've got something I want to customize.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You guys have all.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Of those those you know, you've got the shop to
really make some really really well built pieces.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Of of of of construction.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
We can.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
The The hard part about that is, so you know,
you spend your years as a carpenter building your skill
sets and and compiling the tools and the place to
do it, and it's really hard to compete against the
cabinet shops. Okay, so where we buy our cabinets from
Great Northern up in Northern Wisconsin. There we can do
(33:00):
a lot of customization through them. There are still people
that will say, you know what, I don't want any
of those looks and we're going to you know, need
you to make it, even when I tell them that
the cost is probably double, like we it's just the truth.
I mean, their they buy their materials better.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Than I can.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
They they have a they're more capable, right, they're faster,
they have more time to do it. That's what they
do for a living. They should be all those things.
There are people that still say, you don't want you
to do it I built. There are things that I
don't like some of the standard ways that they build that,
like like rain shows. Okay, you'd think there'd be one
(33:40):
hundred different range holds to pick from, so you could
really find something like there's not. There's like five and
I'm exaggerating a little bit. But so a lot of
times we'll we'll build those from a scratch, just to
give a kitchen some personality that that signature key piece.
My shop is convicting me right now. I've got about
(34:00):
twenty feet of bookshelves to build. Materials are there. The
only thing that's not there is Mike. Mike's on the
radio right now.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But it does.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
You have to set aside time to do it. And
it's not just building it, it's finishing it out. These
will be painted, so we will have to spray those
in our shop. And it's not that we're not capable
of doing it, it's just we're usually doing other stuff.
So I love, by the way, if I could just
be have have everything I need and make stuff in
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the shop, that'd be a pretty fun day. It was
pretty cool when you've got to write tools right, it's
it's pretty fun things.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Something tells me that that part of why why you
started Edge Construction was to have a very nice, very
nice shop. Couldn't see one of the great perks of
the job is having that fantastic workshop, and of course
they've got the showroom as well, right off the bell line.
As we talked this morning with Mike two Week, owner
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some of the things as a homeowner if you're going
to have a project, some of the things you want
to know about when you are choosing a builder to
work with. And Mike, one of the things that we
talked about earlier as well, is you guys are obviously
(36:05):
you build, you've got you're an electoral contractor as well.
I know one of the things in talking with you
over the years is like when it comes to like
plumbing and other things, you're very specific about who you
work with and how you guys work together. And that's
another area as well, is like is what are you
going to do yourself? And if you're going to be
bringing in subs, do they meet that standard? And what's
(36:27):
that relationship?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Like yeah, I mean, uh, I'm I'm I'm a very
loyal person in construction. Like we've had our same plumbers forever.
Any business will go through ups and downs, you know,
or like like there's times where in the in the
(36:49):
past or our plumber maybe start a little bit with
manpower or they were overloaded, and we stick with them
like we're now. For homeowners, sometimes that can be a
little frustrated. I go, well, it doesn't it's not going
like we thought was going to go, Like well listen,
we're we're we're going to get through this. It's going
to be fine. We know what we're getting is. I
still think we're better off going with what we know
(37:10):
and and knowing that they're going to get through whatever
issue it is, or you know, there is no way
to make this process completely painful. Okay, you're always going
to be doing some kind of an issue on a job.
And I think from a Homer standpoint, it's it's we're
used to that Amazon type shopping or you buy something
that shows up the next day, no issues.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
It's it's the way it's supposed to be. Construction is different.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
There's it's it's it's can be frustrating with materials and suppliers.
And we don't sub out many things. You mentioned plumbing
and I would say heating. Those are two things that
we don't do generally in heuse pretty much everything else
we have our hands in. And it's been a really
good thing for us because you know, we we invest
our people, we train them, we we want to we
(37:55):
want to get the best result and have as much
control over the job as possible. So I like that
we've we've we're like a family. Even if we do
hire something. Our plumbers and heeding people, I basically have
known them my whole career. It's literally and so it's
a little bit like a family. Yeah, And they they
(38:18):
know what we're about. We know what they're about, and
I think that's really important when you're getting somebody on
a job. So I like, I am I am cautious.
So let's the reverse of that. If you're shopping for
a contractor and they say, well, we're gonna we're gonna
put this out to bid, we're gonna get the plan together,
and we're gonna put out to bid, and then whoever
comes to us for the cheapest price, then we can
put your numbers together. And I'd be like, oh boy,
(38:39):
that makes me nervous because that doesn't mean the most
predictable result, the best result. How do you How do
you know they know what they're doing? You know, because
it takes years to learn these people and figure out
how they work.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
And we talk about, you know, the commitment that's that
you're making with with these contractorsbviously the huge commitment you're
making the homeowners, but also understanding that that once the
project's done, that commitment is still there. Is you know,
really trusting the work and the and the and the
reputation of those who are you're working with as well
as we talk about that great reputation and really working
(39:16):
with somebody that that that's going to get the project
done and really educate you and really have a great
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We love to talk with you at Edge Construction there
teleph number six so eight six three six three three
four three that number six three six Edge. Joining us
this morning from Edge Construction. Mister Mike two Weig Mike,
How you doing this week, rat Sean, Good to see you.
We've got got a something that you know very well,
tips for choosing and working with a builder, and we're
going to talk about what that, what that all entails
(00:44):
and some of the things to uh to consider and
I know timeline and one of the things to talk
about is not approaching a builder too soon, but also
I'm going to guess too late. You don't want to
be like I want to start tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Because that's not that didn't happen, you know, it.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Doesn't have it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Before we get to tho this week's conversation, I did
want to just talk with you a little bit about
as we're getting to the to the later in the
year and this time of yere. You guys work year
round at edge construction. You are quite busy during during
the winter months, aren't you.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of a lot of
a lot of families at edge construction, and so we
take that responsibility pretty seriously. And we's it's not like
we don't. It's not we steer work into winter months
because it's not that would never work anyways. It's not
as it doesn't work like that. But we try not
to do big outside products, especially if we have to
(01:33):
tear a house open and expose it to the weather.
We don't love doing that when it's you know, zort
of degrees out or something. But we do have an
addition all that I'm thinking about. It's an audition coming
up with starting in a few weeks, probably after Thanksgiving.
Week after Thanksgiving or so, we're gonna take the roof
off a garage. It's a two story house, kind of
split level thing. And we're gonna put a master suite
(01:54):
above the garage, so that'll be an interesting and fun project.
You know, this is one where our only connection to
that house is a hallway some steps, so it's I
think we can pretty much get it built, certainly closed
in and built windows in it, things like that, and
then we'll do that last part where we connect that
(02:16):
to the rest of that was.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Hopefully around Christmas.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh, that's really really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And with that stuff too, is as we talk about,
you know, projects that whether it's an addition you're getting
going on or kitchen basement, any kind of remodeling. This
stuff has been in planning and work for for a while.
I know for folks that don't know, if you're new
to the program, welcome to the show. But one of
the things that's really important to you might get everyone
at edge construction for really good reason is planning and
(02:42):
having a good plan and having a good timeline in
place before before work is beginning.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, and weirdly, the you know, there's there's a lot
of things that are predictable in our world and kind
of we try to control as much as we can.
The pervitting process has gotten over the last couple of years.
I don't know why. I'm not sure why, but has
gotten less predictable in some of these bigger projects. You know,
we spend six months in design and figure out what
(03:10):
we're going to do and picking out things and going
through all the nuts and bolts of you know, on
a bigger project, and then we're okay, now we're we
signed a contractor we're ready to go get permits. And
I was like, it's things slowed down. So this one
was I think it was pretty close to four months
to get permits straightened out here. It was not zoning,
(03:33):
it was not construction, it was adding a bedroom in
a country house. And so they're on well in septic
and you find out pretty which I obviously knew this before,
but you find out pretty quickly that Dane County Sewer
and Water Committee, whatever you want to call it, they
are the most powerful people in this area. It is
(03:53):
not the governor, is not the mayor, it's not not
your county execs.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's not sewn down in Edgerton.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
No, it's because nothing else happens unless that gets figured out.
And you know, if they are if they have a backlog,
it's like, well you know, sorry, we'll we'll get to
it in a few months now, sort of what I'm
not I'm exaggering probably a little bit. But because they're not,
they're not hard to deal with, Like we just have
to you have to jump through their hoops and give
them whatever time they need to to turn things around. So,
(04:24):
uh literally a couple weeks ago, I got a note
text note saying we got the we got through that
committee and then we finished zoning and and building permit
within a couple of weeks, so that we were all
ready for that. But it's a lot of a lot
of things there that people don't realize. Okay, we're gonna
we're gonna start designing a bigger project for next year.
(04:45):
Like about half of our year is probably committed for
next year, and especially in the big stuff, so we
have we kind of have room for one or two
more uh sneak them in before it gets cold out,
before it's November next year, at least to get projects
closed in on the bigger stuff. But you know that's
(05:06):
you know, we're talking nine ten months away, but we
sort of need all those nine ten months.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You mentioned two permits, and obviously if you're if you're
building in the city or I know, obviously if you're
right downtown. Certain districts are different. Is is some of
the rural areas. I think sometimes people think that, well,
if I live outside of the city of maybe I
live in the town of or the village of that,
that I don't have to worry about this stuff. They
all have some type of permitting process as well, don't they.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
They do, they do, I'll the truth is out in
the in the outlying areas, they tend to have a
condensed procedure, which is so you're dealing with less people.
Like all of those committees I mentioned are now handled
by one person ari zoning and buildings, and usually they're
(05:56):
like their deaths are around the corner from each other.
So it's really ice because you can go in and
have a conversation. Okay, if you're going to kick something
back to us saying we haven't yet put it, it's
not right on the plan, or it's not exactly in
the format they want it, we can ask, you know,
like what, Okay, you get to a bigger entity like
Dane County or Madison, and I wouldn't say they are
(06:19):
really any tougher everybody's following pretty much the same rules.
But it's like, okay, now, now we aren't able to
just walk in there and sit down with somebody and go, okay,
let let's tiron this out because you know, there's too busy,
they have too much on their plate, and things aren't
as connected down there, so they might be in different
buildings or different areas, or somebody might be working from home.
So it's that part can be a little tougher.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Kind of a different workflow there. Who then, and I
know we're going to talk about working with a builder
when it comes to permits and those type of would
be a good idea.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
To ask, Okay, what do you think of the permitting process?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
See how experienced you are with us?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you'll learn a lot from your builder
if you that. It is an important though question to
ask about it and understand is like, when it comes
to permitting, who's handling all that? Even something as I
and I use air quotes because I know it's not
a simple thing. In some cases, it's something as simple
as that building permit. Uh, you want to know about that,
(07:14):
don't you? Like?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Who's going to be responsible for that?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Base level is if you're gonna work with a contractor,
you you want them to be pulling the permit. Okay,
for what it means, they have sort of a benchmark
level of insurances. I mean a state forces you to
do that. They make you in order to get the
license to pull the permit, like like I've got you,
(07:39):
you have to do continuing education.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So they're they're.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You know, I was gonna say, making you sit through
these classes online, but it really literally is like that.
To do our ours ours is twelve hours of continuing education.
The way the setup is now, it used to be like,
really great, I could I could and experience somebody with
a lot of experience could sit down and skip ahead
to the test and take it, get it done in
(08:05):
like an hour, and yeah, okay, I was you don't
love school and then end up being a carpenter.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So this was perfect for me.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
But now to do that twelve hours probably takes about
twenty four hours because it's you know, it's timed answers
and it's much more complicated.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And what they're doing is.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
They're forcing you to revisit all these things. And it
is healthy because the code changes all the time. So
if you're not doing this stuff in order to get
that license which allows you to pull those permits. Right,
I think it shows some investment in your career. And
it also is good to you know, to stay up
(08:42):
on the changes and do the math sometimes right like now, Inspectors,
when it first started happening a few years ago, I
kind of get insult a little bit, you know, like,
I've been at this a while and you're making me,
now do the math on a floor load or a
beam load. I know this stuff in my head, but
when I when I do the math now, it's sort
(09:05):
of Inspector started asking for this few years ago. So
I started doing the math, like pulling out the book
and a calculator and going, okay, I can I can
do this, and and those classes will make you do
this too, And if you're younger at it, it's a
really great experience because if now, if I'm doing that
beam load, I'm going, you know what, I figure every
beam load because even if I know it's going to
(09:26):
carry the weight, because it might make me, it might
make it might give me options on what I can
make those beams out of, right, or we're going in
the weeds here.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
It's fascinating stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Though if you have you ever had.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
A house where the floor bounce, like if you walk
across it and you can feel the floor moving. So
we call that deflection. So if I'm figuring a floor load,
I can go, well, I want my maximum deflection to
be about a quarter of finance or five sixteens. We
sometimes work for other bill that they're especially new construction.
(10:02):
They'll max out they're gonna go like three corners, you know,
and then you put a big heavy island on it
and a couch and a massive fridge and it's like, oh,
this thing is really moving.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't want our jobs to have that. And so
you can pick those numbers, but you need to be
able to do the math.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, I've been in places where like, yeah, I can
get it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And feel that.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I mean those by the way it's it had if
it has to support the load, right, So even if
that floor is moving, A lot of times home owners go,
you know, this is just looks really bad and I
don't you know, I don't there's one thing that you
don't like it. But if it meets the minimum codes,
well you know, yeah, some builders will do that stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
So with that too, is we talk about permits. Opening
permits is one thing. Closing permits also is something a
lot of people don't think about. Clearly, there's a backlog
that will show this. Is that something to be askinger contractor?
Like the open permits? Yeah, please don't ask us.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Now, we do some.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Open permits and mostly ours are or we you know,
we have to clean these up every year or so.
And what we find is mostly it is a paperwork
glitch in the entity that sends out the permit and
the and the inspector to close out the permit, like
(11:25):
we'll get a we'll get a green tag, which we
save all those tape pictures of them they're logged in
and homewner files and job files because in a year
the city might say, well you have you have five
open permits, so we can go back and go, well,
you did final inspection and you green tag this, why
is it still saying open? Oh, no problem, we'll fix that.
So we we hate open I really hate open permits.
(11:48):
There's been a we're an electrical contractor and uh, there
was something like thirty five hundred open electrical permits last year.
It's a real problem. The city started focusing on it,
and there were just some disconnections between inspectors and the
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city and electricians and and I've never met an electrician
that it wants to leave anything unsafe. And usually they're
kind of you know, you sort of overbuild jobs so
that you don't have a problem.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
But yeah, that that is a good thing.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I mean, you know, it's not a it's not a
great thing for for a builder to have open permits.
But to be honest, if if a builder's doing a
lot of work, you're gonna have some open performance.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And for one, it's some of that too.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
As we think about some of these communities where you know,
I think about we talked earlier about like edge construction.
You guys are working year round and and you know,
projects are completed, things are inspected, signed off on next
next project. Is this sometimes happen where like like things
get signed, But sometimes these inspectors and those closing out
the permits just start getting overwhelmed. Like I think of seasonally,
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like springtime, I see a lot of people going to work.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Is it is it? One could is that part of
it as well?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I think so, But they would never assure Yeah, I
don't think I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Generally the rules are I believe they have in Dane
County like three days too. If we call for inspection,
they're supposed to be in the three It's it's almost
never that we don't get it the next day, and
so we're not We're not in a position to say, hey,
we need you the SAFT. I think that'd be unreasonable
because they are they have to plan their day too,
and some inspectors cover quite a bit of ground and
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so I'm guessing Edgerton probably doesn't have everyday inspections. No, No,
it's like twice a week maybe.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Or something maybe Maybe.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Generally it's a say like that will contract. So there's
a there's one main company that kind of does the
whole area of the smaller entities, so like you don't
have to have nets. I mean, you may have an
od staff person. I doubt it, but this is really
good for I know we're in the weeds, but that
system where there's a company that basically and trains inspectors
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is great for us and I think for for vanities
like a smaller smaller city, because you don't have to
manage it. They train, they do code training when somebody
is on vacation or having a baby.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Uh, they have somebody else that can step in and
we get to know these people, they get to know
us and uh and we learned their process. Okay, we
know what paperwork they want when when it comes time
to apply for that permit or apply for zoning, and
all that stuff just kind of smooth smooths out the
process quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Until I started getting involved with city stuff, I never
noticed the little white cars with the maroon logo on
the side.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
And now you see them. Every're like, I know.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Who those got?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
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be able to teach like a college level class.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yes, because uh, for folks that know.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
During that entire break, that's Mike and I just talked
about how these work. It is complicated and uh and
it's I think some of that too is we talk
about kind of navigating different municipalities, different rules, and some
of the some of the expectations of that is it's
important when you work with a contractor to kind of
understand the relationship. Should that by the way, just one
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final thing and then we do a whole segment on permits,
But that is something you should be asking, is like
who's going to pull the permit? And you should you
should spect your contract to be doing that, right.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So there's obviously if if we're talking about it, then
there's another option, right where you hire somebody that says
they can do the job, they don't have the right licenses.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
To pull the permit.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Those type of people always know that the homeowner in
Wisconsin can pull their own permit. You can pull your
own electrical permit, your ownvation.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah that's not scary, No, that's terrifying. Right, you can
pull it all.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You can pull the building permit.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
It still has to go through the right inspections and
if you're not capable of doing the work and whatever,
inspectors will get frustrated with you. Right, because what homeowners
don't realize that when they price the permit, So say
a finished basement permit is maybe averages seven hundred and
fifty bucks. That covers you know, some paperwork and wasting
(16:54):
their time down at the municipality building. But it also
pays for that person that that inspector to come out.
I'd say it at the least three times. Right, they'll
come out and inspect mechanicals, framing, insulation, and final so
I guess that's four times. But yeah, that that that
funds that and if you're if you're bringing them out
(17:16):
and continually failing inspections, so they're coming out six eight twelve.
I think I had an inspector tell me that to
go to twenty times to somebody's.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
They were not happy.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
They were not thrilled because you know that's a losing proposition,
and it's frustrating, like you know, they have other things
to do, like we were talking about. But I think
the biggest reason, one of the biggest reasons to to
have your contractor pull the permit is it's another layer
of responsibility. Right, if you're pulling the permit and this
(17:47):
thing goes heywire, it's it's really on you. Yeah, you
may have hired somebody that claims they're an independent contractor
and whatever, But okay, if they are, why don't they
have the wherewith all the police permits, Why don't they
have the license? Maybe they don't have the right insurance.
What if they get injured on your job? What if
they bring people into work that aren't properly insured. That's
another big thing. So there's a lot of reasons to
(18:10):
have that contractor that can pull the permit.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But I ask you about that. You mentioned that layer.
Another layer of responsibility you mentioned that insurance and other
things is being you know, you think about your home,
a big investment. That is something for a lot of us,
probably the biggest thing we're ever going to buy in
our lifetime. You want to know that who's doing the
work on it, not only is there is their workmanship covered,
(18:32):
but also their workers are covered as well. Is that
that's an important thing? Is like are you insured?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
That's a huge saying.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
If you're not in construction, you assume if you hire
a company that sends somebody out to do the work,
that they're if they get hurt, that contractor has workmen's
comp and they're going to be covered. And in construction,
I don't know what the numbers are. If I had
a guess, I'd say it's a fifty to fifty chance.
You know that they have work comp on them. All
of our people have work comp. We only hire subs
(18:59):
that that have real employees that are that are are
on the payroll that workman's comp is being paid on.
Because I'll just give you an idea of some of
the injuries we've had, right. Uh, first, real bad knee injury. Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
One of my one of my employees.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Had been a garbage right a tote had to make
a six inch step down into a driveway that had
a little gravel in it.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
And it was a sunny, nice day, it wasn't like
snowy icy knee buckle tore everything you know out for
six months, Uh, those injuries those six months now are
minimum of one hundred thousand dollars for work comp you know,
like so like we see the figures on that if
that person, if you hired that person as a homeowner, uh,
(19:49):
and the injuries bad enough, they can go, Well, what
is the was the homeowner negligent in some way? Maybe
there was a little life out of their homework. Homer
didn't have some salt down. Maybe they're twenty percent label
for that one hundred thousand dollars injury. Maybe it's five percent.
It's still a lot of money. What if that person
trips has brain damage instead of that? Does happen? Our
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worst injury, by the way, was my original employee, Jimmy
still works for us. Jimmy slipped on the ice few
years ago. I broke his elbow and a shoulder. And
it's been with me since nineteen ninety. We've been together,
and you know, he got severely hurt and it will
never be at He works about sixty hours every two weeks,
(20:35):
where Jimmy. I always joked Jimmy, if I'd let him
mark one hundred hours a week, he would. But it's
just like he's that same guy, you know, like, these
injuries take a toll. They're very expensive. That was many
hundreds of thousands dollars on like a three year recovery
just from slipping a. So a homeowner does not want
to be responsible for those injuries. And I'm talking obviously
worst case scenario, but oh we what else do we have?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
We had an idiot employees, sorry, you know who you are.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
A couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Sean's laughing.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
But instead of using you know to when working above
a stairwall, we have those kind of alligator level ladders,
you know, they fold different ways and we can get
a nice level spot to stand. He decided to put
a five gallon pail on the stairway on one of
the steps and try to get up there and nail
some stuff off. Okay, falls down, shoulder injury. It's ninety
(21:28):
thousand dollars. This can happen. By the way, if you're
if you're hiring this person that is not covered by
Workmen's comp what's their experience level. It's probably more towards
the starting out level. They're in our world, they're much
less safe. Even in our company, we keep much closer
eye on those, on those young ones and make sure
(21:51):
that you know until like safety is just ingrained in
them that this doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
But like, like I said, that's kind of base level.
We've had.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
We had some really by the way, uh work for
lawyers and executives that write contracts that'll uh that'll really
dig into what kind of insurances we have because they
they're aware of what can go wrong on the legal side.
And we are happy to provide all that information. By
the way, and it's like free of charge. You you
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get a lot of peace of mind.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I was earlier this week.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
We're talking with the financial person and they use the
term wildfire protection or something that effect. It's like they're like,
because wildfires are exceedingly rare, but gosh forbid, if you're
ever caught in one, your house, your proper, it's a
it's devastating.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And we talked about something and did you look up
do we have that here wildfires or THO?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
No, is that in our Is that a writer in
our insurance plans?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
It's a good quiet We're gonna have to get to
get those lawyer friends that read you with that though,
is is in and and I'm gonna guess The reason
why some may not or a lot may not carry
that insurance is, I'm gonna guess that's not a for
edge construction. It's probably a pretty hefty premium just to
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ensure that to have that coverage.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Very painful peace of mind. Yes, it's so just not
that anybody needs to know this, but just it shows
you how how many injuries do happen, and how severe
they can be, and how expensive.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
They can be.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
But on our on our outside people, it's about twenty
percent of the payroll. So an average, an average one
of our outside crew members fifteen to twenty thousand dollars
a year just for that insurance on them individually, each one.
So the state takes this pretty seriously. If the if,
(23:45):
if that, if that person you hire that doesn't have
any of this has a bad injury, and the lawyers
start looking around, who can we, who can we who
can accept some of this liability? The state says, the
fly for not providing that insurance when you should is
something like five hundred dollars a day per incurrence or something.
(24:06):
It's super expensive. So there's a lot of reasons to
deal with a legit contract. I know it's not there's
we hope there's room for everybody out there, but it's
it's not worth the it's worth the peace of mind
to pay that.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
By the way, uh, you know, I don't have to worry.
And when when somebody slips on the ice, I know
where they're covered and their families.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And what's important too is and you know, and we
look at like all the great pictures, all the great work,
and and really that's very important. You also want to
make sure though, that is as you talk about this,
you mentioned the importance of asking and you know, very freely.
I know you guys at Edge construction you ask about
the insurance that type of thing, very very freely. Share
that stuff. It's really important. That's you know again, maybe
that maybe not the flashy.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Person you have to talk about something positive. It's just
kind of diversing.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So here's what we're gonna do, Mike next say that
we're going to talk about to talk about some of
the some of the beautiful work and some of the
really cool things to consider when it comes to you
using a contractor a builder to work with. Again, got
the important a lot of the important stuff out of
the way, We'll get to the fun stuff. We'll do
that next. Of course, you haven't been to the website,
hear yourself a favor. You want to want to get
some uplifting stuff. Check out the work they do it
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edge last segment really important stuff, you know, not the
most glamorous an uplifting part, but it is a harsh
reality of that. And you know one of our conversations
during the break involved, you know, talking a little bit
about injuries and and and folks in the industry that
get injured, but also homeowners far more likely to get injured.
(26:12):
A lot of it has to do with with right tools,
right training. And one of the things I know it
hits construction. You guys provide really good training and really
good tools to everybody's construction. You guys have all that
you have. I'm always jealous because you have like all
like the fun toys too.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yes, yeah, right, boy, yeah, where do you even start
that conversation? The the I was telling Sean, I probably
don't have the figure quite right, but I think it's
around three times. If there's two hundred thousand injuries a
year in construction, I should know this, But there's something
(26:50):
like six or eight hundred thousand injuries a year in
construction that home owners get into trouble on their own?
Is there like emergency room visits so that that missing
finger used to always be somebody that was in construction
or the navy or something. I don't know what it was,
but now it could be a homeowner that that drives. Actually,
one of my own employees, his dad was had the
(27:14):
bright idea to use his table saw to uh to
cut some wood for his woodstove and took off four fingers. Now,
well it was like small brushing thing, but he was
running him through a table saw and his fingers went
with it. And I think they reattached. But you know,
I'm assuming they're not quite the same. But yeah, stuff
(27:34):
can happen, So, I mean, people do do stupid stuff.
So I you know, if you look at the we
we have. Our our group came in this week and
we did our we do a safety meeting is part
of anything that we do, and we're always talking about
how to not get injured because you know, if you
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think of all the how many cuts a finished carpenter
makes in their lifetime, how many have I made? I
don't know. I mean I think I added it up.
It's a couple thousand cuts per house. Our our finished side,
our new construction, the side that we'll resupport the builders
and where we do inside woodwork. We have done upwards
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of twenty five or thirty thousand houses since I started
doing it, wow, believe it or not, in Dane County.
So it's a lot of houses, a lot of exposure,
a lot of cuts. We have had some cut fingers,
haven't haven't shortened any I'm knocking.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
On wood right now.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But yeah, it happens fast, and it's it's always been
when somebody's not using the tool the correct ways. So
those by the way, I don't want to see aybody
get injured. But on the on the financial side, these
injuries are really tough for billers too. It's like even
when you're insured, it's a there's a lot of incentive
to not have injuries and to train your people out
(28:50):
of these bad habits they might have, try and catch them.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I know you and I are both big fans of
This Old House, and I remember I think it was
one of those Ask This Old House episodes they had
been they'd shown these tools and I don't know that
I've seen him before, but like saws and other things,
and they were using hot dogs as a demo. Or
they take like a piece of wood and they put
a hot dog behind it and literally they they'd run
the they'd run the stock through there, and as soon
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as that that blade touched that hot dog, it like
dropped down. And like, do we see that? Is that
stuff out on the market? Is that stuff available or
is that just something.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
It is our our shop saw that I use in
my shop at the at edge is a saw is
a saw stop saw saw stop, And what it does
is it detects anything that can conduct electricity. So like
wood is not a very good conductor. If that wood
has a chunk of a nail buried in it somewhere,
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that that saw is going to hit it and it'll
it throws a chunk of aluminium into the saw blade.
Oh wow, like in a fraction of a second. So
I love this story because this the guy that came
up with this product saw. He came up with the mechanism.
He used to have to buy this mechanism in bolta
to your table saw and it was kind of cumbersome
(30:07):
to do, so not everybody opted for it.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Plus, you know we're younger.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
We all felt invincible, so we don't need that. But
I remember when he first started showing up with the
Biller shows, this is over twenty years ago, and he
would he would The Biller Show was five days, and
he would demonstrate on a finger a day. He would
put his own fingers and he literally would it would
it would kind enough, just a little red line would show,
but it wouldn't and it wasn't Like he gently put
(30:31):
it in there.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
He would like put it in there.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
And then the the NHBR National Organization said all right,
we're not You can't keep putting your fingers in saws
like people are gonna think they can do this. So
but yeah, I turned out and the neat thing about
that company, and I know we're off track, but that company,
I bought their saw, and not just because it's it's safer, Okay,
(30:56):
I bought it because it's one of the first fully
redesigned saws in my lifetime. You know, table saws haven't
much change shop table saws are pretty much the same,
except for this one.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
They they they, they they they made a.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Great saw, a better saw than I felt I could buy,
you know, anywhere else. And plus it's got safety issue
which has not gone off yet. I've had the saw
for probably five years, and so I don't know. It's
one of those things like if you if you didn't
have it in there, maybe somebody would get hurt. But again,
it's it's our most experienced carpenters. We talk a lot about, Okay,
(31:35):
you're every cut you make is just it has to
be just like your first one. You can never feel safe.
You can never feel like you're too good to get injured.
You never feel like you're you know, you got this
covered and you can you can do something else while
you're cutting things. I don't know, watch TV or something. Now,
you can do anything right, You've got a smartphone.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, exactly, and great guidance advice on this one thing
to I want to ask you about. You mentioned the
shop at the at Edge Construction. One of the things
that you guys do at Edge Construction is you can
do very very custom work. Is and I think about
what you know, some of the things that you've you've
created for for homes and remodeling projects over the years.
(32:12):
Is one of the cool features and that may be
something worth asking a contractor is can you do custom things?
If I want to do maybe a vent hood, or
I want to have a very custom cabinet, or maybe
I've got something I want to customize.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You guys have all.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Of those those you know, you've got the shop to
really make some really really well built pieces.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Of of of of construction.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
We can.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
The The hard part about that is, so you know,
you spend your years as a carpenter building your skill
sets and and compiling the tools and the place to
do it, and it's really hard to compete against the
cabinet shops. Okay, so where we buy our cabinets from
Great Northern up in Northern Wisconsin. There we can do
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a lot of customization through them. There are still people
that will say, you know what, I don't want any
of those looks and we're going to you know, need
you to make it, even when I tell them that
the cost is probably double, like we it's just the truth.
I mean, their they buy their materials better.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Than I can.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
They they have a they're more capable, right, they're faster,
they have more time to do it. That's what they
do for a living. They should be all those things.
There are people that still say, you don't want you
to do it I built. There are things that I
don't like some of the standard ways that they build that,
like like rain shows. Okay, you'd think there'd be one
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hundred different range holds to pick from, so you could
really find something like there's not. There's like five and
I'm exaggerating a little bit. But so a lot of
times we'll we'll build those from a scratch, just to
give a kitchen some personality that that signature key piece.
My shop is convicting me right now. I've got about
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twenty feet of bookshelves to build. Materials are there. The
only thing that's not there is Mike. Mike's on the
radio right now.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But it does.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
You have to set aside time to do it. And
it's not just building it, it's finishing it out. These
will be painted, so we will have to spray those
in our shop. And it's not that we're not capable
of doing it, it's just we're usually doing other stuff.
So I love, by the way, if I could just
be have have everything I need and make stuff in
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the shop, that'd be a pretty fun day. It was
pretty cool when you've got to write tools right, it's
it's pretty fun things.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Something tells me that that part of why why you
started Edge Construction was to have a very nice, very
nice shop. Couldn't see one of the great perks of
the job is having that fantastic workshop, and of course
they've got the showroom as well, right off the bell line.
As we talked this morning with Mike two Week, owner
of Edge Construction online, Edge Construction Company dot com. That's
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Think about doing some remodeling.
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some of the things as a homeowner if you're going
to have a project, some of the things you want
to know about when you are choosing a builder to
work with. And Mike, one of the things that we
talked about earlier as well, is you guys are obviously
(36:05):
you build, you've got you're an electoral contractor as well.
I know one of the things in talking with you
over the years is like when it comes to like
plumbing and other things, you're very specific about who you
work with and how you guys work together. And that's
another area as well, is like is what are you
going to do yourself? And if you're going to be
bringing in subs, do they meet that standard? And what's
(36:27):
that relationship?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Like yeah, I mean, uh, I'm I'm I'm a very
loyal person in construction. Like we've had our same plumbers forever.
Any business will go through ups and downs, you know,
or like like there's times where in the in the
(36:49):
past or our plumber maybe start a little bit with
manpower or they were overloaded, and we stick with them
like we're now. For homeowners, sometimes that can be a
little frustrated. I go, well, it doesn't it's not going
like we thought was going to go, Like well listen,
we're we're we're going to get through this. It's going
to be fine. We know what we're getting is. I
still think we're better off going with what we know
(37:10):
and and knowing that they're going to get through whatever
issue it is, or you know, there is no way
to make this process completely painful. Okay, you're always going
to be doing some kind of an issue on a job.
And I think from a Homer standpoint, it's it's we're
used to that Amazon type shopping or you buy something
that shows up the next day, no issues.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
It's it's the way it's supposed to be. Construction is different.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
There's it's it's it's can be frustrating with materials and suppliers.
And we don't sub out many things. You mentioned plumbing
and I would say heating. Those are two things that
we don't do generally in heuse pretty much everything else
we have our hands in. And it's been a really
good thing for us because you know, we we invest
our people, we train them, we we want to we
(37:55):
want to get the best result and have as much
control over the job as possible. So I like that
we've we've we're like a family. Even if we do
hire something. Our plumbers and heeding people, I basically have
known them my whole career. It's literally and so it's
a little bit like a family. Yeah, And they they
(38:18):
know what we're about. We know what they're about, and
I think that's really important when you're getting somebody on
a job. So I like, I am I am cautious.
So let's the reverse of that. If you're shopping for
a contractor and they say, well, we're gonna we're gonna
put this out to bid, we're gonna get the plan together,
and we're gonna put out to bid, and then whoever
comes to us for the cheapest price, then we can
put your numbers together. And I'd be like, oh boy,
(38:39):
that makes me nervous because that doesn't mean the most
predictable result, the best result. How do you How do
you know they know what they're doing? You know, because
it takes years to learn these people and figure out
how they work.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
And we talk about, you know, the commitment that's that
you're making with with these contractorsbviously the huge commitment you're
making the homeowners, but also understanding that that once the
project's done, that commitment is still there. Is you know,
really trusting the work and the and the and the
reputation of those who are you're working with as well
as we talk about that great reputation and really working
(39:16):
with somebody that that that's going to get the project
done and really educate you and really have a great
time getting that work done. Edge Construction left talk to you,
Mike and the whole team. I'll get to pick up phone.
Give a call six O eight six three six three
three four three that number six three six Edge online,
Edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one word Edgeconstruction
Company dot com. Ne're goet to check out those links
(39:36):
as well, Pinterest, Facebook and the like. Again, that's all
at Edgeconstruction Company dot com. Edge Construction brings you the
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