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Mister Mike two egg Mike, How you doing this week?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm great, Shohn.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
How was your Turkey day?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It was delicious? We actually had uh, you know, I
don't know if you've ever done this. But at our house,
we uh, we live in the country. We know a
lot of farmers and they have a lot of beef,
and so we my wife is now this de facto
distribution point for we by a steer and then you know,
we take a quarter or something and then people at
work for us will She'll spread it out, make sure
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that we we get it covered. Anyways, we had a
couple of briskets left from the last couple of steers.
And if I don't have a smoker, and if I did,
I wouldn't know how to use it. I have a
friend that is, you know, all into this, and he
smoked the briskets for us. So we had turkey and
we had brisket and it was it was like the
best bristle. That is the way to do it, mustn't.
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Are you a brisket fan? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yes, oh gosh, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And you're what was the who did who did the fixing?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
At your I stay away?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You stay away. You like to eat it?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Though I love eating it, I I don't even I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I just don't have the skills even to like to
carve turkey like I make a messive at all.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'm a high fiving Sean right now because we're on
the same team exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
We're going to talk about this week.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We'll talk about how to start your remodel and and
kind of what that process looks like. And one of
the things too, Mike, because we're talking about about the
holiday season and stuff, I can think about so much
entertaining and so much I'm just thinking about, you know,
when Christina and I were dating and before we had
our house and you have some of these little tiny
kitchens trying to manage things like that, kitchens and kitchen spaces,
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and we talk about kind of working through a remodel.
Kitchens are one of those areas that, oh my goodness,
a nice remodel can really make a world of difference,
can't it.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It really does, because I mean it's a I mean
it's it's the biggest ticket item, right like that, and
then master bass and then you kind of go down
from there, maybe maybe like an overall look. But so
much now of the feel of a house depends on
how well that kitchen has done, and so I think
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that drives a lot of remodeling, and then you know,
just the just putting together those we call them the
common spaces. So it's the areas that your friends and
relatives get to see. They probably you know, I don't know.
I don't. I don't invite people over and take them
right to my bathroom early. Please don't go in there.
But uh, but the kitchen space is, the family room
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area is a great room, whatever you want to call it,
all those areas. It seems like for homeowners it's getting
more important that there's some cohesiveness there where. Okay, the kitchen,
we know that's the big enchlota, and that's that's where
people spend a lot of their time. I know that
happens in our house. I'm sure a dozen years especially
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we're talking about the holidays. Like how many people were
in your kitchen at one time? Right, it's a lot. So, yeah,
the kitchens kitchen is the big thing.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Does that drive a lot of Like I've got to
guess the phone start getting getting busier right around this
time here where people are like you know, maybe maybe
the kids moved out a couple of years ago when
it wasn't so bad. Now you've got grand kids coming
back and start going you know this, this space doesn't
necessarily work for us. I've got to guess this time
here you start to hear from a lot of folks
that are saying, you know, life has changed, we need
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to make some changes as well.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I mean there's a there's a lot of different
reasons that people remodeled, and especially kitchens. You know, sometimes
it's like tires on trucks, right the they wear out.
You've squeezed every last possible inch out of this, Like
Martha Stewart said, paint the cabinets. You'll get another five years.
You did that. You might have got some countertops at
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one point, or new fixtures, and at some point, you know,
it just starts to that's it, like you just can't
do anymore. But then there's also like the the I
don't know, how would you say it. A lot of
the route remodeling we do is for people that are
at a point in their life where they can have
the things that they want and a really nice kitchen
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that is great for entertaining is you know, it's gotta
do all that utilitarian stuff too. It's gotta you gotta
be able to cover the turkey in that kitchen and
produce all that food. But it's in it and it's
not a secondary issue. But when when that that living
spaces is designed well and that kitchen is such a
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big part of that, that really starts to work for
all the other things that you want to So she myself,
you know, when it was Chrissy and I and the
kids had moved out, that was one thing. Now we
got seven grandkids and oh my gosh, you know, you
gotta have room for all this and it really changes
your out your your look at at your spaces.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Is that something to you?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You use that word compromise And I feel like especially
you know, raising kids and working in things and sometimes
we kind of make do I think you know, is
is we think about as we reach that point in
life where suddenly, you know, we we again maybe a
little bit older, have an opportunity now to kind of
do away with those things. Is that you know, we
we dealt with you know, a kitchen that you know
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is separated from the rest of the house, or we
dealt with the with the old, outdated you know, countertops
and things. Enough compromise, Now we're gonna gonna take that step.
Are you seeing a lot of folks that are kind
of saying that as well as like, okay, we've.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We've worked hard, We've we've earned this space.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, it was kind of funny, like we have a
new set up there. And I'm sure I hear this
from a lot of families that go, you know, our
kids are like, jeez, one should do this When we
were like, well, you know what, I think there's a
little bit of when you're when your kids are young.
And we hear this from lots of homeowners. You know,
it's they feel less need for things to be perfect,
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or you know, it's like Andy, probably you know your
priority is a little different. You're you're getting through the day.
Then now when you can you know, if you're gonna
do it, Okay, if you're gonna go through this for model,
then you're gonna want to check all those boxes, you know,
whether the kids are there or not. Maybe now it's grandkids.
They definitely add to the mix.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
What about you You had mentioned earlier too, and I
just jotted this down. Uh, folks that took the Martha
Stewart guidance.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
A little do I blame her for? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
What do those things look like after five years?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
By the way, I've got to really kind of a
I'm hoping to hold up better than what I or.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
No, I mean it's no, but it does. You know,
it will buy you some time. Like I like, I
don't want to. I just like to pick on her
a little bit because I'm gonna give her like maybe
fifteen percent of the credit for the house flippers that
because you know, they that's our joke. They they mark
the steward their stuff to get it sold or whatever.
You know, like you're doing these tricks that kind of
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hide what what is behind the paint, you know, like, uh,
maybe if there's a good pain shop in those cabinets,
you won't notice that the hardware is wearing out and
the doors are starting to sag, and and maybe there's
some some crack showing in the plaster or whatever. And
so but eventually, right, we know that's gonna we know
that's gonna fail. I one one thing that I haven't
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liked with that deal was where you know, when when
when home? So well, when there are transactions here and
everywhere else. Half the time, these these homes are bought
by first time home buyers and you know, not very
experienced all the time. And if they didn't get dad
in there looking around or mom or whoever, or somebody
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like us they might look. A lot of first time
home buyers look and go, oh, you know, the kitchen
looks pretty good. We're not gonna have to mess with
that for a while. And then by the time they
really figure out what's going on, and they're like, oh,
wait a minute, we've got some problems here that they
tried to cover up by throwing a coat of paint
on and uh and and I guess my point is,
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I don't if I'm a homewner, I don't mind paying
for a new kitchen, new cabinets. What I don't want
to I want to be careful of paying for is
this other situation right where and by the way, there
are there are there's at least one person in town
that is doing a really good job of kind of
I want to see refacing. But they do more. They
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have a paint process that really does a nice job.
Uh So, if you if you have a great kitchen
that's in good shape, doesn't need to be resigned, and
the cabinets are holding up really well, these people can
come in and and do a very nice paint job,
not one like you know you're gonna do a brush
and like they spray stuff. Everything's a tough finish, meant
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to meant to hold up to the kitchen. Now you're
not going to do that on cabinets site. You're just
trying to squeeze a few years out of this is
a pretty good investment. It's going to be on a
kitchen where it's in good shape. But you just don't
like the color or or species of what it would
or whatever it is, whatever's going to drive you to
do this. But so there are options for that. It's
not it's not totally out the door, but you really
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want to do an assessment of this before you invest
in them, like.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
A true restoration at that point though, I mean, I
think a lot of times when we think of paint,
at least I think of the it's like literally the
by time it's not really whereas it sounds like there
are and we think of also, you know, just parts
of remodeling in general is sometimes there's those areas, you know,
certain things that are like, oh, we love it, it works great,
we want to incorporate it, but we want to make
sure that it's it's restored back to functionality a little
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bit different than just the slap of the paint on it.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, And like I said, there was a time for this.
Like for us, it's it's not even once a year
that we find a kitchen get hard use. I mean,
families are tough on kitchen than cabinets. We had one
a few years ago, very nice house on the north
side of the lake up there. New homeowner came in
and just didn't like the look of the cabinets. But
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it would have been wasteful to just tear these cabinets out.
I mean they were made so well. It was just
kind of an ugly color and uh so we were
able to take it was a pretty fairly large kitchen.
We were able to reconfigure a few things we had
to get. We had to make some cabinets to match
the cabins that were easy enough to take out. We
took out back to the shop, sprayed went back in. Otherwise,
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we pulled all of the doors, massed everything off, you know,
do a really sand and a really nice sand and
and spray finish on the rest of it. So basically,
when we're done, this looked like a brand new kitchen.
But we save those cabinets and I don't want to
throw them out either, right by the way, I mean,
they're they're very nice cabinets. It wasn't just a money issue.
So there is a time for that sometimes.
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just kind of just started off talking about spending more
time in the kitchen and those kind of things and
kind of how LIFs change and you know, you reach
that point we were talking earlier about, you know, long
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craft to compromise. One of the things I know a
lot of folks look forward to doing is is whether
they're getting into retirement or kind of dialing back some
of their hours. Is is kind of getting back to
things that they love, like baking and like and like saying,
you know what, this is something that I want to
spend time at and I want to I want to
do well. I want a space that's conducive for that.
And I've got to guess a lot of folks that
are like like, we'd love to make a perfect surface
(12:02):
for And I know the law has also changed the
number of years ago too for folks that want to
do like commercial baking from home, there's a new licensing thing,
got to guess for a lot of folks who are like,
we really we want almost like a professional grade kitchen
workspace in our home and you guys can do that.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Oh yeah, actually that's really fun. And I mean anytime
there's a really good reason to, you know, because generally
they're we've done houses for chefs, you know in town,
and they're very specific on what they want. I mean,
like it's they still wanted to look nice. It's got
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to be beautiful, but uh, they have a lot of
boxes that they want to check off. And that's very
fun for us because, okay, now it means you're gonna
do things a little bit different. It's a chance to
kind of let the design juices flow a little more
and and and get that going there. I'm always surprised
at how many I shouldn't be a guess, but there's
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a lot of people that are into cooking. That's their hobby,
baking and that that higher level cooking I guess for
better lack of a better term, Okay, yes, they It
used to be twenty years ago, ten years ago, when
somebody came to us like that, they'd want to go
They'd say, well, I want stone countertops. Well now everybody
gets stone counter I mean like, so we're sort of
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doing a lot of those things because we're I think
you want to if you're going to remodel your kitchen,
you've got to build this kitchen. You need to think
about the broader audience too, Like, Okay, what happens if
I have a job change, I'm going to be moving
out of town. I got to sell my house. This
really well designed kitchen with all that good stuff is
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going to appeal to more people than just you. So
like that, I think you know that that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The saying that I've got always with our people is
design has to make sense for somebody that wasn't standing
here before we tore this thing apart, like you want
them to look at it like and and you want
it for everybody. You want all the areas to make sense.
So the I noticed that the so, so here's here's
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the thing, Like, somebody that really likes to cook, they
need chunks of counter space to prep on and to
cook on. And all those kitchens that I installed in
the eighties and nineties, they we didn't think about that.
We thought about like, how many feet is it from
the stove to the fridge. Well, okay, if you're you
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can solve that issue, like you can cut down the
amount of area between your major appliances. But but but
if you're not thinking about areas to actually do work
in the kitchen, like landing zones. Right, So, if you've
got a pantry, it now we we without even conscious effort,
we're going, okay, we want to hopefully get a chunk
of counter space near those so when you when you
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come in with with your stuff, you can set it
down and load your pantry, load your load, your so
load your fridge. All of these things come into play,
and uh, I think that makes it appealing for pretty
much every level of cook And if you've got the
you know, if you've got that that really specific need
and want, that's pretty fun for us too.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I learned a new fray a new term landing zone.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'd heard that's a great that's a great discretion and
something that that unless you're working in the industry, I
think a lot of folks probably wouldn't even think much about.
But as you're talking about those, like I remember having
apartments where like there'd be like a piece of countertop
that was like maybe ten twelve inches wide.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You're like, when are you gonna kinda useless?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, I can't even put a pant like any as.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
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talk a little bit more about the right way to
a model talking about we're talking about kitchens. We haven't
even talked about the entertaining aspect of kitchens and a
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place for folks to gather and and do some fun stuff.
We'll talk with Mike about that and so much more
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Speaker 2 (16:39):
Week about about remodeling and kind of putting that plan
in place, and really talking a lot about kitchens. Of course,
as we're in that holiday season between Thanksgiving, Christmas, the
New Year, all the other stuff going on, kitchens get
get a lot of use and probably get a lot
of scrutiny from homeowners saying we may need to need
to do it right.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
We talked a little bit, probably.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Talk a little bit more as well about about cooking
in the kitchen novel idea, but that does go on.
But the other thing that kitchens are really big on
is entertaining gathering spaces. And that's I feel like as
far as what we've thinks we've gotten better about and
and uh in that area is really accepting and understanding
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that whether we like it or not, kitchens are a
gathering place for people, aren't they?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
They are? I mean that the it's I just noticed
from my own kitchen, and I'm sure you're a kitchen
that that is a big deal. Like like, I don't
know when the change happened. It probably in the eighties
maybe where you know, it seemed like back then when
we designed a kitchen, we were we were packing every
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available space with cabinets and it was pretty utilitarian. Most
kitchens look the same. Maybe they were branching out with
like a breakfast bar, which meant, you know, kids could
do some more work in there, or somebody could, a
couple of people could could be in there with you
while you're cooking. And then at some point that changed
over to let's open things up and get the island
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in there, and we're sort of getting the house to
join the or getting that kitchen to join the rest
of the house. The kitchens in the past had been
a lot of times sort of shoved in a corner.
They weren't central to the house, and like that has
become a design goal a lot of times, and a
lot of times now we're in old houses something pre
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like nineteen fifty, we're because you know, it wasn't account space.
Friends and relatives didn't weren't expected to go in the
kitchen to hang out. So if it was in a
back corner of the house, that was that made sense. Right.
But we have taken sometimes in those older houses where
there's a maybe an old ranch house, we'll switch the
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kitchen kind of straight places with a bedroom that's upfront
and more central, because you know who wants you don't
want your bedroom up there anyways you want it, you
want that in the back corner. That makes more sense.
And so I I have thought many times, and I've
gotten this question, Okay, what were we just bad at
design back then or you know even in when things
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started to change in the eighties and maybe even the seventies.
And no, we weren't. It was just if people get
into habits like like they they and it wasn't like
there were it wasn't like a huge thing to have.
There weren't that many designers. I think, like, like now,
if you want a kitchen design, there's there's a lot
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that is a you could you could take classes on
it at at at Madison Tech. You can. There's lots
of ways at Madison College. You can do a lot
of venues for you there, and there's a lot of
continuing education for designers and we send our designers off
to get this stuff. It's it's it's like the most
important thing now is how do we cohesively design these
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spaces together. Have you lived in a house or do
you live in a house where where you're thinking people
design it looks like they designed each room separately and
didn't think about this area as the whole.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Right, I live right now and exactly everything's a box
and it's right next to a box with a wall between.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And yeah, and you're I'm sure you've had the thought
like why didn't they just you know, couldn't they have
done a few things different to make this work better,
so that these these spaces kind of complemented each other
rather than you know, the boxes, right, And I think
that's the value of CAD. The computer aided design has
gotten so good. I was in a house with Heather
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this last week and we're looking at sold farmhouse have
been added on to a few times and not a
typical house that we get into, but typical for the era.
And uh, this is really it's kind of disjointed house.
It's like, okay, really nice property, cool house, but a
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small kitchen, not many ways to change it. Okay, do
we tear part off? Do we tear off some of
the past sins and then redesign to make it, to
make it nice, or what do we do here? And
the answers weren't hitting us in the face, you know,
just standing in this house for the first time, and
I usually resort to saying, Okay, we got to get
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into the cad. Then we can layer the we can
layer new ideas on top of the old ideas and
look for the answer and we get this top down
look right, So if you're standing in the space, you're
looking around all you see our walls and things that
aren't where they're supposed to be. But when you can,
when you have the benefit of looking from the top down,
now you can you can take those elements and start
(21:45):
to move things around and go maybe the answer comes
to you that way.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Is some of this too is And I know that
the term open concept is obviously very important. Is something
that a lot of folks are familiar with but really
understanding to what that act means. I mean, as as
as much as things, you know, we don't like things
boxed in. There is obviously ultimately roles and there's there's
an art to where where should there be a wall
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versus where shouldn't there be a wall?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Is? I think it's sometimes like I'll just knock them
all out.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I think if you talk to my wife, that'd be
her idea is like we like all around the bathroom
and one around the bedroom, and everything else should be
wide open.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
You want to really create spaces, don't you, And whether.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's yeah, and there's there's ways to define those spaces,
but I'm I'm you know, there's new houses that we
work on that we build that literally that's that's how
it is now. Uh, the only walls are around like
a downstairs powder room and uh maybe a back entrance
laundry or something, and a stairway wall, and we end up,
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you know, we have to get heat upstairs, and we've
got to get plumbing upstairs, and we start having to
run those things in stairwell walls because there's just no
place else to go. I'm not sure that's uh, that's
you know. I think, like I want to think about
those spaces, like how do we right size a space
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if it's all one room, Okay, if we we want
that kitchen and maybe just a little bit of something
to to separate it, you know, some short walls or something.
And so that's where a designer comes in because you
can you can now the cat is so good. We can,
you know, in a few seconds, add stub out a
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wall somewhere just to give us a little separation and
maybe a place to hang a picture. I don't know.
You know, it's put a light switch. There's nothing wrong
with that. But it also just cozies up to space
just a little bit. It probably sounds like it doesn't.
But with CAT now you can get that look at it.
You can go into rendering mode and you can you
can really try to get a feel for how this
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space is going to feel when it's when it's built.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
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too earlier about the kitchen as asking about people that
are very particular about about you know, they want to
be bakers or spend more time doing something.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Are they particularly about surf.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I know, obviously appliances they probably are very very particular about.
Are they partularly about surfaces as well? Like I need
I need this to be butcher block, or I need
this to be a stone or are they are Do
they get into that stuff too?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, very very much. So, uh, everything sort
of comes into place. So like you want to, you
want to they tend to want pretty durable surfaces, and
so we we dig into that side, whether it's the
cabinets or or the U or the countertops, the count toops.
I mean, I know the reasons why, but I never
(24:56):
thought quarts would take off like it has. It's just, uh,
not only is it beautiful. They replicate natural stones they
have they invent new ones. I mean they can make
the design so like it's almost infinite now what they're
doing with courts, and so the designers love it, home
(25:16):
owners love it because it fits a design well. I
think it ratchets up the importance of designing having a
well designed kitchen. If you're going to invest in stone
countertops because you know you don't want to, you don't
want to have a poor design, and then put these
great stone countertops that nobody's ever going to want to
throw up because at some point, if the design is poor,
it's not going to last.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Have you ever run into that where and I'm asking this,
I bet you have. We're like we're talking earlier about
the painted cabinets, and clearly a frustration I have sometimes
like why would you do it?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
But do you do you have painting cabin No?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
No, no, no, okay, no, I just I just see them,
and I'm like, you, I get it.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I'm not quite there.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No, I'm also very near. It scares me to do.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
But but I think two of how like, okay, uh,
maybe at one point somebody went out and bought like,
you know, new new countertops. Maybe they went with granted
on a kitchen that they didn't put you know, maybe
they didn't upgrade the cabinets at the time, which is needed,
or upgrade maybe the design. That also to me, I like,
do you walk into something them go oh goodness. I
(26:19):
wish that they maybe just waited, maybe waited a year
or two, save a little money and do it do
it the right way. Because you think about those those countertops,
they look so nice but obviously very custom made.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And yeah, you're gonna spend the money. Yeah, you know,
we we do maybe one a month where we do
uh countertops and sink dow sink in fixture and we
do a backsplash and maybe upgrade electrical. So it's a
very it's the least invasive kitchen model you can do.
(26:50):
But yeah, you you, you know you these kitchens were
doing them on generally don't have major issues, Like it's
more of a somebody picked out something ugly or you know,
and and there were some we didn't have all the
choices and options, you know, fifteen years ago, twenty years
ago that we have now. And so if somebody really
(27:10):
wants to do an update, we're doing the backsplash, the sink.
Maybe they've got a poor sink needs replacing. Countertops come
into play, and you know, the one thing that has
helped that side of things a lot is the marble
look of Grant of courts has gotten very popular. The
(27:32):
white white with grave ains that actually must be fairly
reasonable to produce, so like we can do that countertop,
which is very popular, beautiful looking counter top, and my
own house has versions of this for the prices that
are cheaper than granite, and it's a beautiful courts product,
(27:52):
so like that has helped some. So you're not making
this enormous investment. It's still a good investment. You want
to make sure that you don't have major problems. But
if we think you're going wrong, we will not hold
our tongue like we'll say, hey, listen, we can't solve
some of these issues just by putting a countertop on.
(28:14):
I mean, and if the cabins are rough, I mean
a lot of times you can be looking at this
kitchen and you sort of get blinders on. It looks
okay unless you really start digging in. So I will
dig in there for a homeowner, so listen, Uh, these
cabinets are not worth investing in. And now you're gonna
(28:35):
just pile good onto bad. I don't think that's a
great idea. The home owners are pretty smart about that.
I think, you know, if you've got to close off
tight kitchen and the goal is at some time to
open things up, I don't think that most people aren't
willing to go, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna put a
bunch of money into can tops then. So I feel
like if you can get like eighty percent of the
(28:56):
way there with new car tops. Then then you're in
good shape.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
This morning with Mike two ago of Edge Construction Online,
Edge Construction Company dot com. It's all one word Edge
Construction Company dot com. Check them out online there twelve
number six so eight six three six three three four
three that number six three six Edge. Talk about Quartz
and all the different options there. You may have heard
us mentioned earlier about some of the other options around
the house. There can be a bit of paralysis by analysis.
We're gonna talk with Mike about how they can help
(29:20):
you and the designers help you when it comes to
making those decisions for that absolutely perfect model. We'll talk
with Mike about that next as the Homer Modeling Show
with Edge Construction continues right here in thirteen ten wuib A.
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that number six three six Edge. Sometimes the math part
of my brain does not want like Mike and I
talking during the break just about time and all that,
Like I'm just losing my marbles on that.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
But that's okay. I Hey, we were.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Talking as we talked about with Mike Twig of Edge
Construction talking just before the break about countertops and and
that is one of those areas where there's a bunch
of different options. But really, if you wanted to, you
could spend months, maybe may may I say years picking
out different different finishes, different styles, different products, different everything.
(30:16):
When it comes to doing any type of remodel, whether
it's a kitchen, bathroom, anything, there's a lot out there.
And one of the things I think is really cool
about working with you guys at Edge Construction, working with
your designers, is they get a really good idea for
the tastes and the and the and and kind of
the the the the aesthetics that the homeowners looking for,
even things that the homeowner may not realize. It could
(30:38):
really help folks narrow narrow some of that decision making down,
can't they They can.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So I'm remembering back to when we kind of started
doing the show, and I think we spent a lot
of time talking about different styles. Yes, you know, we
try and pigeonhole people into you know, modern or eclectic
or craftsmen or you know, farmhouse or whatever. Whatever it was, like,
have you noticed we don't talk much about it. It's
(31:04):
no boxes. And part of the reason is we have
the benefit of these great designers because they will at
some point. I noticed on on appointments when I'd go
look at somebody's houses and and I'd be with a
designer and I'd say, well, we get back in the
target and say, well, what have what do you think
they're where do you think this is going? And they
they're just like, you know, you do your carpenter thing,
(31:27):
I've got this. What they what they mean by that
is they look at a good designer is going to
come in your house. They're going to notice the things
that you've purchased and that you like and that you love,
and they're listening to you and asking the right questions
obviously also but ex sorry Sean, I think that they're
(31:54):
gonna they're going to pick up on all of these
all these clues that you're giving them, and those are
the products when you when you come to the showroom
and you're starting to put these together, you think of
all these things that you you have to pick from.
You've got You've got flooring, cabinets, countertops, pink colors, the
(32:15):
color of fixtures. You know, your your faucets and your sinks.
All of those parts have to come together and all
of those should be picked out at the same time,
and so you do have to pick some kind of direction.
That's where designer is gonna gonna start putting some things together,
probably before you even get there. So you're not going
to you're not going to pick from the five hundred
supports samples that we have in the shop. We're going
(32:37):
to narrow that down to ten or fifteen or five
or whatever it is. And if if we're not getting there,
we can always add in right. But that that is
a very fun part about working with a designer is
they can keep this from overwhelming you. I think if
you had to look at all of the tile samples
just in our showroom, it would probably take you a
(32:59):
day or two. Okay, now we're gonna arrow it down
to these other ones, and then we're gonna go, oh,
some of these don't fit our budget or they're not
readily available. We're gonna pitch those out. Designers should be
doing that for you and and help you if you're
not working with a designer like you, people can do
this you can pick things out at you know, a
big box store or whatever, but they've already narrowed those
choices for you, right, They've they've pitched out the ones
(33:23):
that don't fit in budgets, they've pitched pitched out the
ones that they can't get or that aren't readily available
or didn't don't fit into their system. And so like,
you're not going to get a look at truly what's
out there on the market.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, it's it's just sing when you mentioned, you know,
going into like big box or something like that. The
other thing too, that that I feel like, you know,
when you're doing a remodel, you want it to be unique.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
And I don't mean that by like bizarre.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
You want it to be like like the tile you
select or the countertop or that you want it to
be yours. And and obviously these are these are products
and others are buying them and they're produced. But you've
got to like a big box store, they may have
like twenty different tile options, and not only do they
have it on the east side, they've got those same
twenty on the west side, south side, every every state,
(34:08):
every city. Yeah, exactly, you end up with you're really
very limited on that. And one of the things too
I want to ask you about, Mike, is when we
were talking about options and kind of talking about when
we first started doing this show together.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
It must have been a lot easier back then, right
to design.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
We had like three tiles, three grouts down. It sort
of feels like that when I'm remodeling those houses now,
because a lot of it does look the same. We're
taking out cabinet. Fifty percent of the cabins, we take
out our one brand, one color, one finish, and it
was it was a much simpler time. I mean, yes,
(34:44):
those those when we had three different shades of oak
trim that we put in. We used to stock those
three shades and if we were running a loon on
a job, we could just go in our warehouse and
take on. Now now that that has blown out the
door and it's beyond stocking anything because there are just
(35:05):
a lot of options. Okay, so it's a little tougher
for the carpenters, like we can't just pick something off
the shelf, but for the designers, it's it's the best
time because they can find things that fit into that
that fits your style, fits your house. Maybe you can
push your limits a little bit here and there, and
(35:25):
and all do all that for the something that fits
in your budget.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, some of that too, as you mentioned, as we
talk about different options and things like that. Is obviously,
you know with time you guys have been in I
want to call it the new play.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
How long you've been at the current location.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
You've been there, You've been there since twenty thirteen. Yes,
the new places, it's still the new place.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Is.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Obviously there's the area that folks see, but the area
that that folks don't often see is kind of the
big area. Is kind of that staging and preparation and
is I've got a guess too. With as we've gotten
more options, and you mentioned it used to be real easy.
Is if you you know you're working on trim and
you need some more of a particular item, you just
run run back to the shop. You've got plenty of
it in backstock. I've got a guess now, and I'm
(36:15):
just assuming that part of why why you're building has
so much space for this stuff is you really want
to get this stuff on hand beforehand and have it
ready to go before the project begins, because gosh forbid,
you you reach a point where you're like, oh, we.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Exactly yeah, And so like in our backshop, you will
see you would see if you went back there, welcome
to back there. Shot. Uh, You're going to see the
staging areas where we've got all the cabinets for one
house and and maybe a vanity and something for the
next job. And then we've got shelves, we've got some
(36:56):
some areas for tile, so like we we can when
it's time to pull tile for that job, we know
it's there. Grout is there, believe it or not. Some
of the grout colors now and antile choices. The manufacturing
since COVID we all knew it went things went haywire
(37:16):
for a while and we had the supply chain was disrupted.
That's mainly gotten fixed. But what didn't get fixed our
lead times. There's now lead times on things that prior
to five years ago we could get in a week
or two. Now that might be a month or two.
And so we are staging more of that stuff. And
even some of the grouts that were using are taking
(37:37):
us two three weeks to get in. So it used
to be we could pull up to our supplier and
that same day we just picked something off the shelf,
and that's just not happening anymore. With the specializing of products.
Grout is not cement anymore. It's like chemistry set and
(37:58):
these things aren't meant to be stored for months in
a in a warehouse. Uh. It changes how they react
when you when you mix them and put them together
and install them, and so it's it's gotten more important
to be organized that way and to be pulling these
products in time for jobs.
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Speaker 1 (00:44):
Mister Mike two egg Mike, How you doing this week?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm great, Shohn.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
How was your Turkey day?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It was delicious? We actually had uh, you know, I
don't know if you've ever done this. But at our house,
we uh, we live in the country. We know a
lot of farmers and they have a lot of beef,
and so we my wife is now this de facto
distribution point for we by a steer and then you know,
we take a quarter or something and then people at
work for us will She'll spread it out, make sure
(01:10):
that we we get it covered. Anyways, we had a
couple of briskets left from the last couple of steers.
And if I don't have a smoker, and if I did,
I wouldn't know how to use it. I have a
friend that is, you know, all into this, and he
smoked the briskets for us. So we had turkey and
we had brisket and it was it was like the
best bristle. That is the way to do it, mustn't.
(01:33):
Are you a brisket fan? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yes, oh gosh, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And you're what was the who did who did the fixing?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
At your I stay away?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You stay away. You like to eat it?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Though I love eating it, I I don't even I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I just don't have the skills even to like to
carve turkey like I make a messive at all.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'm a high fiving Sean right now because we're on
the same team exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
We're going to talk about this week.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We'll talk about how to start your remodel and and
kind of what that process looks like. And one of
the things too, Mike, because we're talking about about the
holiday season and stuff, I can think about so much
entertaining and so much I'm just thinking about, you know,
when Christina and I were dating and before we had
our house and you have some of these little tiny
kitchens trying to manage things like that, kitchens and kitchen spaces,
(02:21):
and we talk about kind of working through a remodel.
Kitchens are one of those areas that, oh my goodness,
a nice remodel can really make a world of difference,
can't it.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It really does, because I mean it's a I mean
it's it's the biggest ticket item, right like that, and
then master bass and then you kind of go down
from there, maybe maybe like an overall look. But so
much now of the feel of a house depends on
how well that kitchen has done, and so I think
(02:51):
that drives a lot of remodeling, and then you know,
just the just putting together those we call them the
common spaces. So it's the areas that your friends and
relatives get to see. They probably you know, I don't know.
I don't. I don't invite people over and take them
right to my bathroom early. Please don't go in there.
But uh, but the kitchen space is, the family room
(03:12):
area is a great room, whatever you want to call it,
all those areas. It seems like for homeowners it's getting
more important that there's some cohesiveness there where. Okay, the kitchen,
we know that's the big enchlota, and that's that's where
people spend a lot of their time. I know that
happens in our house. I'm sure a dozen years especially
(03:34):
we're talking about the holidays. Like how many people were
in your kitchen at one time? Right, it's a lot. So, yeah,
the kitchens kitchen is the big thing.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Does that drive a lot of Like I've got to
guess the phone start getting getting busier right around this
time here where people are like you know, maybe maybe
the kids moved out a couple of years ago when
it wasn't so bad. Now you've got grand kids coming
back and start going you know this, this space doesn't
necessarily work for us. I've got to guess this time
here you start to hear from a lot of folks
that are saying, you know, life has changed, we need
(04:02):
to make some changes as well.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I mean there's a there's a lot of different
reasons that people remodeled, and especially kitchens. You know, sometimes
it's like tires on trucks, right the they wear out.
You've squeezed every last possible inch out of this, Like
Martha Stewart said, paint the cabinets. You'll get another five years.
You did that. You might have got some countertops at
(04:26):
one point, or new fixtures, and at some point, you know,
it just starts to that's it, like you just can't
do anymore. But then there's also like the the I
don't know, how would you say it. A lot of
the route remodeling we do is for people that are
at a point in their life where they can have
the things that they want and a really nice kitchen
(04:48):
that is great for entertaining is you know, it's gotta
do all that utilitarian stuff too. It's gotta you gotta
be able to cover the turkey in that kitchen and
produce all that food. But it's in it and it's
not a secondary issue. But when when that that living
spaces is designed well and that kitchen is such a
(05:09):
big part of that, that really starts to work for
all the other things that you want to So she myself,
you know, when it was Chrissy and I and the
kids had moved out, that was one thing. Now we
got seven grandkids and oh my gosh, you know, you
gotta have room for all this and it really changes
your out your your look at at your spaces.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Is that something to you?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You use that word compromise And I feel like especially
you know, raising kids and working in things and sometimes
we kind of make do I think you know, is
is we think about as we reach that point in
life where suddenly, you know, we we again maybe a
little bit older, have an opportunity now to kind of
do away with those things. Is that you know, we
we dealt with you know, a kitchen that you know
(05:51):
is separated from the rest of the house, or we
dealt with the with the old, outdated you know, countertops
and things. Enough compromise, Now we're gonna gonna take that step.
Are you seeing a lot of folks that are kind
of saying that as well as like, okay, we've.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We've worked hard, We've we've earned this space.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, it was kind of funny, like we have a
new set up there. And I'm sure I hear this
from a lot of families that go, you know, our
kids are like, jeez, one should do this When we
were like, well, you know what, I think there's a
little bit of when you're when your kids are young.
And we hear this from lots of homeowners. You know,
it's they feel less need for things to be perfect,
(06:32):
or you know, it's like Andy, probably you know your
priority is a little different. You're you're getting through the day.
Then now when you can you know, if you're gonna
do it, Okay, if you're gonna go through this for model,
then you're gonna want to check all those boxes, you know,
whether the kids are there or not. Maybe now it's grandkids.
They definitely add to the mix.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
What about you You had mentioned earlier too, and I
just jotted this down. Uh, folks that took the Martha
Stewart guidance.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
A little do I blame her for? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
What do those things look like after five years?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
By the way, I've got to really kind of a
I'm hoping to hold up better than what I or.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
No, I mean it's no, but it does. You know,
it will buy you some time. Like I like, I
don't want to. I just like to pick on her
a little bit because I'm gonna give her like maybe
fifteen percent of the credit for the house flippers that
because you know, they that's our joke. They they mark
the steward their stuff to get it sold or whatever.
You know, like you're doing these tricks that kind of
(07:31):
hide what what is behind the paint, you know, like, uh,
maybe if there's a good pain shop in those cabinets,
you won't notice that the hardware is wearing out and
the doors are starting to sag, and and maybe there's
some some crack showing in the plaster or whatever. And
so but eventually, right, we know that's gonna we know
that's gonna fail. I one one thing that I haven't
(07:54):
liked with that deal was where you know, when when
when home? So well, when there are transactions here and
everywhere else. Half the time, these these homes are bought
by first time home buyers and you know, not very
experienced all the time. And if they didn't get dad
in there looking around or mom or whoever, or somebody
(08:15):
like us they might look. A lot of first time
home buyers look and go, oh, you know, the kitchen
looks pretty good. We're not gonna have to mess with
that for a while. And then by the time they
really figure out what's going on, and they're like, oh,
wait a minute, we've got some problems here that they
tried to cover up by throwing a coat of paint
on and uh and and I guess my point is,
(08:38):
I don't if I'm a homewner, I don't mind paying
for a new kitchen, new cabinets. What I don't want
to I want to be careful of paying for is
this other situation right where and by the way, there
are there are there's at least one person in town
that is doing a really good job of kind of
I want to see refacing. But they do more. They
(08:59):
have a paint process that really does a nice job.
Uh So, if you if you have a great kitchen
that's in good shape, doesn't need to be resigned, and
the cabinets are holding up really well, these people can
come in and and do a very nice paint job,
not one like you know you're gonna do a brush
and like they spray stuff. Everything's a tough finish, meant
(09:23):
to meant to hold up to the kitchen. Now you're
not going to do that on cabinets site. You're just
trying to squeeze a few years out of this is
a pretty good investment. It's going to be on a
kitchen where it's in good shape. But you just don't
like the color or or species of what it would
or whatever it is, whatever's going to drive you to
do this. But so there are options for that. It's
not it's not totally out the door, but you really
(09:44):
want to do an assessment of this before you invest
in them, like.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
A true restoration at that point though, I mean, I
think a lot of times when we think of paint,
at least I think of the it's like literally the
by time it's not really whereas it sounds like there
are and we think of also, you know, just parts
of remodeling in general is sometimes there's those areas, you know,
certain things that are like, oh, we love it, it works great,
we want to incorporate it, but we want to make
sure that it's it's restored back to functionality a little
(10:08):
bit different than just the slap of the paint on it.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, And like I said, there was a time for this.
Like for us, it's it's not even once a year
that we find a kitchen get hard use. I mean,
families are tough on kitchen than cabinets. We had one
a few years ago, very nice house on the north
side of the lake up there. New homeowner came in
and just didn't like the look of the cabinets. But
(10:33):
it would have been wasteful to just tear these cabinets out.
I mean they were made so well. It was just
kind of an ugly color and uh so we were
able to take it was a pretty fairly large kitchen.
We were able to reconfigure a few things we had
to get. We had to make some cabinets to match
the cabins that were easy enough to take out. We
took out back to the shop, sprayed went back in. Otherwise,
(10:57):
we pulled all of the doors, massed everything off, you know,
do a really sand and a really nice sand and
and spray finish on the rest of it. So basically,
when we're done, this looked like a brand new kitchen.
But we save those cabinets and I don't want to
throw them out either, right by the way, I mean,
they're they're very nice cabinets. It wasn't just a money issue.
So there is a time for that sometimes.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Talker this morning with my two eight owner of EDGE
Construction online, Edge Construction Company dot com. All one word
Edge Construction Company dot com. There're to number six so
eight six three six three three four three that number
six three six edge. I think two of us we
just kind of just started off talking about spending more
time in the kitchen and those kind of things and
kind of how LIFs change and you know, you reach
that point we were talking earlier about, you know, long
(11:40):
craft to compromise. One of the things I know a
lot of folks look forward to doing is is whether
they're getting into retirement or kind of dialing back some
of their hours. Is is kind of getting back to
things that they love, like baking and like and like saying,
you know what, this is something that I want to
spend time at and I want to I want to
do well. I want a space that's conducive for that.
And I've got to guess a lot of folks that
are like like, we'd love to make a perfect surface
(12:02):
for And I know the law has also changed the
number of years ago too for folks that want to
do like commercial baking from home, there's a new licensing thing,
got to guess for a lot of folks who are like,
we really we want almost like a professional grade kitchen
workspace in our home and you guys can do that.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Oh yeah, actually that's really fun. And I mean anytime
there's a really good reason to, you know, because generally
they're we've done houses for chefs, you know in town,
and they're very specific on what they want. I mean,
like it's they still wanted to look nice. It's got
(12:41):
to be beautiful, but uh, they have a lot of
boxes that they want to check off. And that's very
fun for us because, okay, now it means you're gonna
do things a little bit different. It's a chance to
kind of let the design juices flow a little more
and and and get that going there. I'm always surprised
at how many I shouldn't be a guess, but there's
(13:02):
a lot of people that are into cooking. That's their hobby,
baking and that that higher level cooking I guess for
better lack of a better term, Okay, yes, they It
used to be twenty years ago, ten years ago, when
somebody came to us like that, they'd want to go
They'd say, well, I want stone countertops. Well now everybody
gets stone counter I mean like, so we're sort of
(13:24):
doing a lot of those things because we're I think
you want to if you're going to remodel your kitchen,
you've got to build this kitchen. You need to think
about the broader audience too, Like, Okay, what happens if
I have a job change, I'm going to be moving
out of town. I got to sell my house. This
really well designed kitchen with all that good stuff is
(13:47):
going to appeal to more people than just you. So
like that, I think you know that that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The saying that I've got always with our people is
design has to make sense for somebody that wasn't standing
here before we tore this thing apart, like you want
them to look at it like and and you want
it for everybody. You want all the areas to make sense.
So the I noticed that the so, so here's here's
(14:16):
the thing, Like, somebody that really likes to cook, they
need chunks of counter space to prep on and to
cook on. And all those kitchens that I installed in
the eighties and nineties, they we didn't think about that.
We thought about like, how many feet is it from
the stove to the fridge. Well, okay, if you're you
(14:38):
can solve that issue, like you can cut down the
amount of area between your major appliances. But but but
if you're not thinking about areas to actually do work
in the kitchen, like landing zones. Right, So, if you've
got a pantry, it now we we without even conscious effort,
we're going, okay, we want to hopefully get a chunk
of counter space near those so when you when you
(15:00):
come in with with your stuff, you can set it
down and load your pantry, load your load, your so
load your fridge. All of these things come into play,
and uh, I think that makes it appealing for pretty
much every level of cook And if you've got the
you know, if you've got that that really specific need
and want, that's pretty fun for us too.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I learned a new fray a new term landing zone.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'd heard that's a great that's a great discretion and
something that that unless you're working in the industry, I
think a lot of folks probably wouldn't even think much about.
But as you're talking about those, like I remember having
apartments where like there'd be like a piece of countertop
that was like maybe ten twelve inches wide.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You're like, when are you gonna kinda useless?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, I can't even put a pant like any as.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, So really really good stuff this morning to be
talking like Twoing owner of Edge Construction Online. Edge Construction
Company dot com. That's all one word Edge Construction Company
dot com. Top number six O eight six three six
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talk a little bit more about the right way to
a model talking about we're talking about kitchens. We haven't
even talked about the entertaining aspect of kitchens and a
(16:07):
place for folks to gather and and do some fun stuff.
We'll talk with Mike about that and so much more
next as the Homer Modeling Show with Edge Construction continues
right here on thirteen.
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Speaker 1 (16:38):
Head on over there. Now. It's talking this.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Week about about remodeling and kind of putting that plan
in place, and really talking a lot about kitchens. Of course,
as we're in that holiday season between Thanksgiving, Christmas, the
New Year, all the other stuff going on, kitchens get
get a lot of use and probably get a lot
of scrutiny from homeowners saying we may need to need
to do it right.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
We talked a little bit, probably.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Talk a little bit more as well about about cooking
in the kitchen novel idea, but that does go on.
But the other thing that kitchens are really big on
is entertaining gathering spaces. And that's I feel like as
far as what we've thinks we've gotten better about and
and uh in that area is really accepting and understanding
(17:21):
that whether we like it or not, kitchens are a
gathering place for people, aren't they?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
They are? I mean that the it's I just noticed
from my own kitchen, and I'm sure you're a kitchen
that that is a big deal. Like like, I don't
know when the change happened. It probably in the eighties
maybe where you know, it seemed like back then when
we designed a kitchen, we were we were packing every
(17:47):
available space with cabinets and it was pretty utilitarian. Most
kitchens look the same. Maybe they were branching out with
like a breakfast bar, which meant, you know, kids could
do some more work in there, or somebody could, a
couple of people could could be in there with you
while you're cooking. And then at some point that changed
over to let's open things up and get the island
(18:09):
in there, and we're sort of getting the house to
join the or getting that kitchen to join the rest
of the house. The kitchens in the past had been
a lot of times sort of shoved in a corner.
They weren't central to the house, and like that has
become a design goal a lot of times, and a
lot of times now we're in old houses something pre
(18:30):
like nineteen fifty, we're because you know, it wasn't account space.
Friends and relatives didn't weren't expected to go in the
kitchen to hang out. So if it was in a
back corner of the house, that was that made sense. Right.
But we have taken sometimes in those older houses where
there's a maybe an old ranch house, we'll switch the
(18:51):
kitchen kind of straight places with a bedroom that's upfront
and more central, because you know who wants you don't
want your bedroom up there anyways you want it, you
want that in the back corner. That makes more sense.
And so I I have thought many times, and I've
gotten this question, Okay, what were we just bad at
design back then or you know even in when things
(19:13):
started to change in the eighties and maybe even the seventies.
And no, we weren't. It was just if people get
into habits like like they they and it wasn't like
there were it wasn't like a huge thing to have.
There weren't that many designers. I think, like, like now,
if you want a kitchen design, there's there's a lot
(19:35):
that is a you could you could take classes on
it at at at Madison Tech. You can. There's lots
of ways at Madison College. You can do a lot
of venues for you there, and there's a lot of
continuing education for designers and we send our designers off
to get this stuff. It's it's it's like the most
important thing now is how do we cohesively design these
(19:57):
spaces together. Have you lived in a house or do
you live in a house where where you're thinking people
design it looks like they designed each room separately and
didn't think about this area as the whole.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Right, I live right now and exactly everything's a box
and it's right next to a box with a wall between.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And yeah, and you're I'm sure you've had the thought
like why didn't they just you know, couldn't they have
done a few things different to make this work better,
so that these these spaces kind of complemented each other
rather than you know, the boxes, right, And I think
that's the value of CAD. The computer aided design has
gotten so good. I was in a house with Heather
(20:39):
this last week and we're looking at sold farmhouse have
been added on to a few times and not a
typical house that we get into, but typical for the era.
And uh, this is really it's kind of disjointed house.
It's like, okay, really nice property, cool house, but a
(21:00):
small kitchen, not many ways to change it. Okay, do
we tear part off? Do we tear off some of
the past sins and then redesign to make it, to
make it nice, or what do we do here? And
the answers weren't hitting us in the face, you know,
just standing in this house for the first time, and
I usually resort to saying, Okay, we got to get
(21:24):
into the cad. Then we can layer the we can
layer new ideas on top of the old ideas and
look for the answer and we get this top down
look right, So if you're standing in the space, you're
looking around all you see our walls and things that
aren't where they're supposed to be. But when you can,
when you have the benefit of looking from the top down,
now you can you can take those elements and start
(21:45):
to move things around and go maybe the answer comes
to you that way.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Is some of this too is And I know that
the term open concept is obviously very important. Is something
that a lot of folks are familiar with but really
understanding to what that act means. I mean, as as
as much as things, you know, we don't like things
boxed in. There is obviously ultimately roles and there's there's
an art to where where should there be a wall
(22:10):
versus where shouldn't there be a wall?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Is? I think it's sometimes like I'll just knock them
all out.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I think if you talk to my wife, that'd be
her idea is like we like all around the bathroom
and one around the bedroom, and everything else should be
wide open.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
You want to really create spaces, don't you, And whether.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's yeah, and there's there's ways to define those spaces,
but I'm I'm you know, there's new houses that we
work on that we build that literally that's that's how
it is now. Uh, the only walls are around like
a downstairs powder room and uh maybe a back entrance
laundry or something, and a stairway wall, and we end up,
(22:46):
you know, we have to get heat upstairs, and we've
got to get plumbing upstairs, and we start having to
run those things in stairwell walls because there's just no
place else to go. I'm not sure that's uh, that's
you know. I think, like I want to think about
those spaces, like how do we right size a space
(23:07):
if it's all one room, Okay, if we we want
that kitchen and maybe just a little bit of something
to to separate it, you know, some short walls or something.
And so that's where a designer comes in because you
can you can now the cat is so good. We can,
you know, in a few seconds, add stub out a
(23:30):
wall somewhere just to give us a little separation and
maybe a place to hang a picture. I don't know.
You know, it's put a light switch. There's nothing wrong
with that. But it also just cozies up to space
just a little bit. It probably sounds like it doesn't.
But with CAT now you can get that look at it.
You can go into rendering mode and you can you
can really try to get a feel for how this
(23:51):
space is going to feel when it's when it's built.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Talking this morning with Mike two Egg, owner of Edge Construction,
think about doing summer modeling. It's a great day to
start that conversation with Mike and the team. I gotta
do is pick up phone gam a call six so
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six three six Edge E d G. Of course you
can learn more online Edgeconstruction Company dot com. That's all
one word Edge Construction Company dot com. We were talking
(24:14):
too earlier about the kitchen as asking about people that
are very particular about about you know, they want to
be bakers or spend more time doing something.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Are they particularly about surf.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I know, obviously appliances they probably are very very particular about.
Are they partularly about surfaces as well? Like I need
I need this to be butcher block, or I need
this to be a stone or are they are Do
they get into that stuff too?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, very very much. So, uh, everything sort
of comes into place. So like you want to, you
want to they tend to want pretty durable surfaces, and
so we we dig into that side, whether it's the
cabinets or or the U or the countertops, the count toops.
I mean, I know the reasons why, but I never
(24:56):
thought quarts would take off like it has. It's just, uh,
not only is it beautiful. They replicate natural stones they
have they invent new ones. I mean they can make
the design so like it's almost infinite now what they're
doing with courts, and so the designers love it, home
(25:16):
owners love it because it fits a design well. I
think it ratchets up the importance of designing having a
well designed kitchen. If you're going to invest in stone
countertops because you know you don't want to, you don't
want to have a poor design, and then put these
great stone countertops that nobody's ever going to want to
throw up because at some point, if the design is poor,
it's not going to last.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Have you ever run into that where and I'm asking this,
I bet you have. We're like we're talking earlier about
the painted cabinets, and clearly a frustration I have sometimes
like why would you do it?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
But do you do you have painting cabin No?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
No, no, no, okay, no, I just I just see them,
and I'm like, you, I get it.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I'm not quite there.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No, I'm also very near. It scares me to do.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
But but I think two of how like, okay, uh,
maybe at one point somebody went out and bought like,
you know, new new countertops. Maybe they went with granted
on a kitchen that they didn't put you know, maybe
they didn't upgrade the cabinets at the time, which is needed,
or upgrade maybe the design. That also to me, I like,
do you walk into something them go oh goodness. I
(26:19):
wish that they maybe just waited, maybe waited a year
or two, save a little money and do it do
it the right way. Because you think about those those countertops,
they look so nice but obviously very custom made.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And yeah, you're gonna spend the money. Yeah, you know,
we we do maybe one a month where we do
uh countertops and sink dow sink in fixture and we
do a backsplash and maybe upgrade electrical. So it's a
very it's the least invasive kitchen model you can do.
(26:50):
But yeah, you you, you know you these kitchens were
doing them on generally don't have major issues, Like it's
more of a somebody picked out something ugly or you know,
and and there were some we didn't have all the
choices and options, you know, fifteen years ago, twenty years
ago that we have now. And so if somebody really
(27:10):
wants to do an update, we're doing the backsplash, the sink.
Maybe they've got a poor sink needs replacing. Countertops come
into play, and you know, the one thing that has
helped that side of things a lot is the marble
look of Grant of courts has gotten very popular. The
(27:32):
white white with grave ains that actually must be fairly
reasonable to produce, so like we can do that countertop,
which is very popular, beautiful looking counter top, and my
own house has versions of this for the prices that
are cheaper than granite, and it's a beautiful courts product,
(27:52):
so like that has helped some. So you're not making
this enormous investment. It's still a good investment. You want
to make sure that you don't have major problems. But
if we think you're going wrong, we will not hold
our tongue like we'll say, hey, listen, we can't solve
some of these issues just by putting a countertop on.
(28:14):
I mean, and if the cabins are rough, I mean
a lot of times you can be looking at this
kitchen and you sort of get blinders on. It looks
okay unless you really start digging in. So I will
dig in there for a homeowner, so listen, Uh, these
cabinets are not worth investing in. And now you're gonna
(28:35):
just pile good onto bad. I don't think that's a
great idea. The home owners are pretty smart about that.
I think, you know, if you've got to close off
tight kitchen and the goal is at some time to
open things up, I don't think that most people aren't
willing to go, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna put a
bunch of money into can tops then. So I feel
like if you can get like eighty percent of the
(28:56):
way there with new car tops. Then then you're in
good shape.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
This morning with Mike two ago of Edge Construction Online,
Edge Construction Company dot com. It's all one word Edge
Construction Company dot com. Check them out online there twelve
number six so eight six three six three three four
three that number six three six Edge. Talk about Quartz
and all the different options there. You may have heard
us mentioned earlier about some of the other options around
the house. There can be a bit of paralysis by analysis.
We're gonna talk with Mike about how they can help
(29:20):
you and the designers help you when it comes to
making those decisions for that absolutely perfect model. We'll talk
with Mike about that next as the Homer Modeling Show
with Edge Construction continues right here in thirteen ten wuib A.
This is the Homer Modeling Show brought to you by
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(29:42):
that number six three six Edge. Sometimes the math part
of my brain does not want like Mike and I
talking during the break just about time and all that,
Like I'm just losing my marbles on that.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
But that's okay. I Hey, we were.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Talking as we talked about with Mike Twig of Edge
Construction talking just before the break about countertops and and
that is one of those areas where there's a bunch
of different options. But really, if you wanted to, you
could spend months, maybe may may I say years picking
out different different finishes, different styles, different products, different everything.
(30:16):
When it comes to doing any type of remodel, whether
it's a kitchen, bathroom, anything, there's a lot out there.
And one of the things I think is really cool
about working with you guys at Edge Construction, working with
your designers, is they get a really good idea for
the tastes and the and the and and kind of
the the the the aesthetics that the homeowners looking for,
even things that the homeowner may not realize. It could
(30:38):
really help folks narrow narrow some of that decision making down,
can't they They can.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So I'm remembering back to when we kind of started
doing the show, and I think we spent a lot
of time talking about different styles. Yes, you know, we
try and pigeonhole people into you know, modern or eclectic
or craftsmen or you know, farmhouse or whatever. Whatever it was, like,
have you noticed we don't talk much about it. It's
(31:04):
no boxes. And part of the reason is we have
the benefit of these great designers because they will at
some point. I noticed on on appointments when I'd go
look at somebody's houses and and I'd be with a
designer and I'd say, well, we get back in the
target and say, well, what have what do you think
they're where do you think this is going? And they
they're just like, you know, you do your carpenter thing,
(31:27):
I've got this. What they what they mean by that
is they look at a good designer is going to
come in your house. They're going to notice the things
that you've purchased and that you like and that you love,
and they're listening to you and asking the right questions
obviously also but ex sorry Sean, I think that they're
(31:54):
gonna they're going to pick up on all of these
all these clues that you're giving them, and those are
the products when you when you come to the showroom
and you're starting to put these together, you think of
all these things that you you have to pick from.
You've got You've got flooring, cabinets, countertops, pink colors, the
(32:15):
color of fixtures. You know, your your faucets and your sinks.
All of those parts have to come together and all
of those should be picked out at the same time,
and so you do have to pick some kind of direction.
That's where designer is gonna gonna start putting some things together,
probably before you even get there. So you're not going
to you're not going to pick from the five hundred
supports samples that we have in the shop. We're going
(32:37):
to narrow that down to ten or fifteen or five
or whatever it is. And if if we're not getting there,
we can always add in right. But that that is
a very fun part about working with a designer is
they can keep this from overwhelming you. I think if
you had to look at all of the tile samples
just in our showroom, it would probably take you a
(32:59):
day or two. Okay, now we're gonna arrow it down
to these other ones, and then we're gonna go, oh,
some of these don't fit our budget or they're not
readily available. We're gonna pitch those out. Designers should be
doing that for you and and help you if you're
not working with a designer like you, people can do
this you can pick things out at you know, a
big box store or whatever, but they've already narrowed those
choices for you, right, They've they've pitched out the ones
(33:23):
that don't fit in budgets, they've pitched pitched out the
ones that they can't get or that aren't readily available
or didn't don't fit into their system. And so like,
you're not going to get a look at truly what's
out there on the market.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, it's it's just sing when you mentioned, you know,
going into like big box or something like that. The
other thing too, that that I feel like, you know,
when you're doing a remodel, you want it to be unique.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
And I don't mean that by like bizarre.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
You want it to be like like the tile you
select or the countertop or that you want it to
be yours. And and obviously these are these are products
and others are buying them and they're produced. But you've
got to like a big box store, they may have
like twenty different tile options, and not only do they
have it on the east side, they've got those same
twenty on the west side, south side, every every state,
(34:08):
every city. Yeah, exactly, you end up with you're really
very limited on that. And one of the things too
I want to ask you about, Mike, is when we
were talking about options and kind of talking about when
we first started doing this show together.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
It must have been a lot easier back then, right
to design.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
We had like three tiles, three grouts down. It sort
of feels like that when I'm remodeling those houses now,
because a lot of it does look the same. We're
taking out cabinet. Fifty percent of the cabins, we take
out our one brand, one color, one finish, and it
was it was a much simpler time. I mean, yes,
(34:44):
those those when we had three different shades of oak
trim that we put in. We used to stock those
three shades and if we were running a loon on
a job, we could just go in our warehouse and
take on. Now now that that has blown out the
door and it's beyond stocking anything because there are just
(35:05):
a lot of options. Okay, so it's a little tougher
for the carpenters, like we can't just pick something off
the shelf, but for the designers, it's it's the best
time because they can find things that fit into that
that fits your style, fits your house. Maybe you can
push your limits a little bit here and there, and
(35:25):
and all do all that for the something that fits
in your budget.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, some of that too, as you mentioned, as we
talk about different options and things like that. Is obviously,
you know with time you guys have been in I
want to call it the new play.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
How long you've been at the current location.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
You've been there, You've been there since twenty thirteen. Yes,
the new places, it's still the new place.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Is.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Obviously there's the area that folks see, but the area
that that folks don't often see is kind of the
big area. Is kind of that staging and preparation and
is I've got a guess too. With as we've gotten
more options, and you mentioned it used to be real easy.
Is if you you know you're working on trim and
you need some more of a particular item, you just
run run back to the shop. You've got plenty of
it in backstock. I've got a guess now, and I'm
(36:15):
just assuming that part of why why you're building has
so much space for this stuff is you really want
to get this stuff on hand beforehand and have it
ready to go before the project begins, because gosh forbid,
you you reach a point where you're like, oh, we.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Exactly yeah, And so like in our backshop, you will
see you would see if you went back there, welcome
to back there. Shot. Uh, You're going to see the
staging areas where we've got all the cabinets for one
house and and maybe a vanity and something for the
next job. And then we've got shelves, we've got some
(36:56):
some areas for tile, so like we we can when
it's time to pull tile for that job, we know
it's there. Grout is there, believe it or not. Some
of the grout colors now and antile choices. The manufacturing
since COVID we all knew it went things went haywire
(37:16):
for a while and we had the supply chain was disrupted.
That's mainly gotten fixed. But what didn't get fixed our
lead times. There's now lead times on things that prior
to five years ago we could get in a week
or two. Now that might be a month or two.
And so we are staging more of that stuff. And
even some of the grouts that were using are taking
(37:37):
us two three weeks to get in. So it used
to be we could pull up to our supplier and
that same day we just picked something off the shelf,
and that's just not happening anymore. With the specializing of products.
Grout is not cement anymore. It's like chemistry set and
(37:58):
these things aren't meant to be stored for months in
a in a warehouse. Uh. It changes how they react
when you when you mix them and put them together
and install them, and so it's it's gotten more important
to be organized that way and to be pulling these
products in time for jobs.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Talking this morning with Mike two Weight, owner of EDGE Construction,
the website Edgeconstruction Company dot com, all one word Edgeconstruction
Company dot com. Tell for number six o eight six
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Betrayal: Weekly
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