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Speaker 3 (00:44):
Mike, I you betting great Sjel.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's good to talk to you, and we're talking whole home,
whole house remodeling, and that's that's a big sense. And
you guys do do a few of these each year,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
We do three is kind of our magic number.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
To be honest, I think it'd be harder for any
company to do more than that. It's you got to
keep we don't want too much food on your plate,
you know, you know, to overwhelm your people, and you
got to keep things moving. So we try to have
us spring one in a midsummer one and then one
a little bit later. And yeah, and that's what we're
talking about because and we sort of throw like additions
into that category. Two editions. Yeah, there's once in a
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while a small addition that's not too hard to do,
and we and we love those. I love those. It's
really nice to have something simple once in a while.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But but additions are are the effect usually more than
just a space you're adding on. So you know, additions
and whole homeer models are in the are very popular
right now, and it has a lot to there's a
lot of factors. But people are are not necessarily looking
for that next big move up house, which I think
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is healthy. Like this thing where we're moving all the time,
I'm not sure that was healthy for housing.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Is some of this like the as you mentioned, why
people what's driving a lot of this? Is it also
because I just look at the materials and the things
that are available, and I think of the workmanship that
you guys do at edge construction. It seems it feels
like things have gotten better, like people have like a
higher expectation for quality. You think about again, what you
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guys do at edge construction, the type of work that
you do, that seems to be where people are going.
And maybe it has to do with the fact that
people are staying in their houses longer that they're saying,
we're going to do a remodel, but we want really
good countertops, we want the real wood floors, we want
the high quality cabinets, We want all these things and
we want them done by.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Really, really good carpenters. Are you seeing that?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I mean, is that kind of some of it too,
Because it feels like there seems to be this sudden
love of really high quality remodeling.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's really an interesting thing. Like we went through the
early two thousands where it was kind of turn and burn,
you know, gonna throw another coat of white paint on
and maybe some particle word cabinets and and landlet floors,
and do whatever it takes to get it sold and
move up to my next house and I to be
honest that that was not a fun time to be
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doing this job because it wasn't about putting in quality
products that are gonna last. It was about, like, how
can we facelift this thing so that you know it's
It's like, I don't really want to commit to this
house because I don't think we're gonna be here very long.
And back then, the average time that people were in
houses was five to seven years.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Seems crazy, and why would you invest in good stuff?
So there there has been a move towards quality and
natural products. I think it's not just you know, we
talked so much about like it's not just about how
it looks, it's about how it feels. And you want
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the right amount of light, you want the right amount
of windows, You want a good quality product. You mentioned
wood floors, and you know, and they should be sending
me a chet because I talked about these wood for
stuff all the time. I really love the natural products. Also,
I don't we know when something has to be engineered
and processed. I don't know that that processed word is
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kind of a dirty word, because you know what it means.
It's got to get trucked to another place. It's got
to use the resources to turning in turn it into
something that it's not. And you know, we have these
great natural products with the stone car tops and the
in real wood. Actually you know we cut down trees
and make make things out of it. So I think
that's a better pathway.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And I've got to make the assumption that that this
overall trend or quality has been been good for you
at Edge construction too is I know there is a
standard that that you know, there's not people are saying, well,
I want to go lower than this, and I know
you guys at Edge construction say, well, this is kind
of this is where we work. And when we talk
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about you know, with these whole homer models or additions,
people really looking to put some quality stuff in. This
has got to be overall really good for you guys too. Well.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Is because you know we do have you're when you're
what you're talking about is the floor of product. So
we have, uh a level of product that we won't
go below. And uh that is after years and years
of trying things that failed or you know, where we
had problems and maybe we had to overcome those problems
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and uh, very occasionally we get talked into, uh, I
don't want to describe this product or you know, into
a into a product that we probably shouldn't you know,
and maybe knew ahead of time we shouldn't put in.
But sometimes we're matching up to things that are already there,
and you know, it is kind of you do have
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to stay. It's wasteful to just tear stuff out that's
got life left in it, so we'll we'll do that.
But uh, there are times when we've dip below, like
on our you know, I was, of course one of
the only real products that I talk about a brand name,
and it's a I don't feel bad about it because
it's a Wisconsin company and uh, Wisconsin family, and the
family still is there. And and also I really believe
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in the product. They may they they make a great product.
Does that mean you're never ever ever going to have
an issue with a color faucet or tub or whatever
it is. No, No, every product might have an issue,
but I think we have less with color. It's more dependable,
and when it comes to standing behind it, there's not
been problems. I have been talked into in my past,
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some off the rack stuff at the big box stores
because people like to.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Look at it.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Sometimes that in for your product has a really great look,
and you know, here's what can happen. I we had
a homeowner that used a fixture in a powder bath
one time. Went Now, if you kind of force us
to do something, and most remodels are like this. If
you if you want us to use a prouct that
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we're not comfortable with, We're probably not gonna want to
stand behind that. You're gonna accept liability for that. And
so that's just a nature of things in this business.
But I'm gonna run on vacation, left left for the
weekend or whatever, and came back to a flooded house
and so we actually got to do the house twice.
You know, on the good side, we're really in practice
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by that. But I'm pretty pretty frustrating for the homeowner,
and you know, there was an even chance that that
nothing would have happened. I'm not saying all those products
are bad, it's just you want your remodeler to work
in their comfort zone. Also, like you want them to
pick product, use the products that they're used to and
are and are really familiar with and are willing to
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stand behind, and there's a lot of reasons for people
to pick up those products they do.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
My feeling is the second time around, they probably trusted you.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We did not use that product.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yes, your recommendations much much more.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
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Speaker 2 (08:00):
Also we'll get.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Into additions as well. It's kind of laying some of
the groundwork to this conversation. Mike, and I think of
you hear that term like a custom builder or custom
homes oftentimes, I think there's.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Very wide.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Birth everybody's a customer exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Is that where some of this comes into where somebody
actually does want like a very personalized kind of custom home.
Maybe they've got the houses built in the eighties or
nineties and it has that you know, eighties or nineties
feel saying, you know what, we really want to sit
down with a designer and actually have somebody listen to
what we want and come out on the on the
remodeled side with something that is truly custom, truly unique
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and personalized.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, and and uh, you know, I I Puget the builders,
and we build a couple of houses here and there,
so I it's us too. It's like as far as
that custom word, okay, I do like poking fun at
that word, because what's the saying that there are no
new ideas or like the there's only like ten percent
new ideas or something. And it's kind of that way
(09:03):
in construction. If you if you how many ways, how
many different ways are there to build a three bedroom ranch? Like, Okay,
we've we have the houses that we've built the past
several years all started off on a blank sheet or
in cat and we now but we know we're not
reinventing the wheel. When you remodel, it's much different, you know.
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And and I do think new builders should spend a
lot more time in design because I think that the
process is probably too fast and when you don't spend
enough time in design on the front end, you're not
going to end up with something that's going to last
on the other end. I don't think unless you, you know,
really have a great design and you just ride that
thing to the grave and build it forever. If you
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on the on the remodel side, we'll take that eighties
house that has some of these fatal flaws that we
can see now. In eighties, we thought we were cutting edge,
right and so you you you take that now and
you go, okay, we're gonna we need to solve the problems.
But we have to work within the confines of what
we have there, of this, of this eighty structure. And
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so I think it takes a lot more designed to
do a good job on the remodel then sometimes on
the on the front end on a new build.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I think those eighties and say even some nineties, I
think those quarter cabinets, and I also think of those
those islands or not peninsula, the peninsulas, and especially that
backside of the peninsula, like what do you do?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That was never was like okay, you got this.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And then it's it's it's tough to get utility out
of that space. So if you live your peninsula, by
the way, we're not picking on you. There are times
that that they work. They just work. I mean, we've
had singing. I think we had two jobs this year
where we either put in a peninsula or went through
the remodel. We it was really our only option to
get maybe a couple of seats and a little more
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storage and so. But yeah, the islands have taken over
and just opening up things. And uh, you mentioned the
corner cabinets. They're kind of the bane of my existence.
I try to get rid of those two.
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Hanging out with Mike Twogg this week talking about whole
home remodels also editions, and Mike kind of laid some
of the some of the foundation of the groundwork to
this to this conversation for this week and that earlier segment,
and one of the areas that is big is the
(12:10):
design process and whether it's a smaller project or a
whole home remodel, design is vital. As you would kind
of alluded to during the previous break, sometimes you're seeing
some of the consequences of poor design and people not
putting enough time into design. I know it edged construction
design is a very high priority, and I've got to
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guess with a with a whole home remodel, whole home
house remodel, that there's a lot to do when it
comes to design process, isn't there?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It is? And you know, we talk about how you know,
the buzzword is is green or you know, we talk
about efficiency, and we talk about the quality of the products.
But to me, like, uh, if if I had the
ultimate call it would be that this this remodel would
last as long as possible, like it would it would
go forty fifty years without some having to go back
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in there in the future and and redo everything, And Okay,
you've got you have to have products that are going
to last that long. That's kind of a base level,
and I think a lot of homers just assume that
that's what they're getting when they when they when they
buy or model or buy products themselves and install. And
I think that it's really hard to know that unless
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you've how long this stuff is going to last until
you've actually installed it, and you know, got some track
record that you can look back on. The other thing,
like you mentioned design, and we're talking about design a
lot today because if if you put the best products
in with the poor design, I'll guarantee you because we
do this all the time, ten years from now, somebody's
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gonna hate it, that buys that house and and call
somebody like us to tear this stuff back out. And
you're going, well, yeah, it was relatively new stuff. There
was nothing wrong with it. It was still working. But so
I think, like the other half of the coin is
is great design because it if you like it and
you build something that other people are going to like,
there's a good chance that those products are going to
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stay in that house for a lot longer.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It's a it's it's interesting balance too, Mike, is I know.
Part of part of and I think this probably highlights
the skill of of your designers of edge construction is
you want it to be something that truly custom. You
want it to be something very special for the homeowner,
but you also have to make sure that it's something that,
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as you kind of point out, there is it's is
we're not talking about great you know, we're not gluing
pink fur to the ceiling here.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I mean, it's there.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
There is a it is and I don't know, I
don't have this gift, but there is. There is something
special about people that can that can do that where
they say, Okay, we're going to work on a design
that's very custom for you and that's going to be
unique to you. But at the same time, it's not
going to be like out there. I don't know if
that makes sense, but it is an art.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Well. The thing is people all want to I generally
want the same things, right, you want something that's going
to fit all your needs you want. It's got to
be attractive. The space has to feel good, and uh,
you don't want your friends and neighbors to make fun
of you at some point when you do something wrong,
like you're talking about the pink stuff on the ceiling. Yeah,
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and you know you don't have it'd be unreasonable to say, uh,
to my good carpenters, Uh, well, yeah, I need you
to be great designers too, like I don't. I don't
have all those gifts either, Okay. I mean I can
look at the plan and build it. If you give
me the picture, I can build it. And that's what
are My side is the construction side. That's that's their millieu, right.
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They they live in that world and they they kind
of complain if they don't get a good plan, like
they if the plan is not quite right and there's
there's things on there that are unclear that slows them down.
They don't like that. But if I try to delve
onto the other side, I like teasing our designers. If
they're in there working with somebody, I come in and uh,
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I want to give my opinion, and they look at
me like I'm such a child. Just you know, away
go back and build something. But they do have Uh,
you know, when you're working with great designers, it's a
it's you underestimate how the value of that because they
just see things differently, they think differently, and it's very
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helpful in our process.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
What do you when when it comes to, you know,
a whole home er model, what are you on the
building side bringing to the to the designers, like as
far as dimensions and I mean what, I don't think
we've ever explored.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
This like it?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well, yeah, how does that? How does that work?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
It from how how things currently you know, sit and
and kind of taking your expertise of structures and those
type of things, how does that then get get brought
to designers to say here's kind of what we're starting with.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Work your magic.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, so it actually kind of works in reverse. Oh really,
So when when I'll come out usually with Heather, Heather's
head of the designers, She's got the big brain over there,
and homeowners are throwing around the ideas and they're not
necessarily thinking about nuts and bolts and bearing points and
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beam loads and you know, okay, how do they make
this trust? And do we need a girder or whatever
you know, and rooflines and so through experience, I now
let the designers design, okay, and my theory is we're
going to solve the problems later. Now we we had
one last week. It's an addition coming up. Still trying
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to get it out this year. I actually, believe it
or not, but it's not a super complicated one. But
there were a couple of things the designers drew that
I was like, ah, you really made this much harder
by extending this wall one foot, believe it or not,
and because it just affected the roofline, and the designers
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will come back to me and say, hey, I thought
you guys knew what you're doing over there. So so
it does have to be back and forth because we
ironed it out and we can do it the way
they drew it and it won't be especially brutal. You
know it's going to work. But there there is some
back and forth and sometimes some heated back and forth
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between construction and design, and that has always been that way.
Like when I started, there were architects working in residential
and you know, they ship up plans and the first
thing you do when you looked at it was going,
we can't build this, this is gonna work, but through
back and forth you iron out the problems. So I
have come to think that design should come first. Design.
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That's let's let's get a great design and then solve
the problems to make it happen.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Are there's some things that are easier with the whole
homer model since you're if you're able to be working
in different areas. I think of sometimes when you're you know,
let's say you're just doing like a like a bathroom
or kitchen. Again, these are these are obviously for the
homeowner especially, these are still substantial projects. But for for
you guys, when you're doing like a whole home, I've
got to guess not having to necessarily like because you're
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able to maybe tie in differently, I've got to guess
that there are some things, some aspects of like a
whole home remodel that that allows you a little bit
more like I would say it's easier, but a little
bit more flexibility with some of the design and some
of the construction, simply because you're going to be touching
all these different spaces.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Am I am I making? Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And just logistically you know, if we're doing a bathroom, kitchen,
homeowners are living there, if kids, they have pets, they
have you know, we don't. We want to define our
pathways so that we're not into their living space and
we're we're trying to protect our living space when when
we're when we've got the place to ourselves. This happened
last week. We we got going on. It's a big
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old house downtown between the I think it's on Dayton Street. Anyways,
I was able to you know, it's empty, nobody's in it,
and lots of demo on. There's two floors on the
upstairs and downstairs, and it's a it's a two flat
that we're turning into a single house, believe it, you know.
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So that's where it's going. But had been a rental
and you can imagine what not the friendliest situation of
the house. But anyways, I was able to pile I
don't know, six or seven people in there and really
attacked the demo and we didn't have to worry about
somebody in a home office or what if we have
to shut off power for an hour or or things
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like that. So I think for us, our bread and
butter is are the kitchens and mass and lower levels
and kind of into your products projects. That's what we've
been doing forever. I think that's where our strength is.
We have so much horsepower that we can do these
bigger projects and those are fun too. It's it's like
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like anything. If you had to do the same exact
thing every day, you you would probably get sick of it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
What about it?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Do you ever get people that are like they start
out with maybe a smaller scope and start saying, you
know what, maybe maybe I know, you get a lot
of folks that you do work for and then they
a lot of your a lot of your your projects
come from people you've worked for it and work with
in the past. But you ever get people that even
before you start, the worker saying, you know what, maybe
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we want to kind of expand the scope of this
of this project. Maybe go from now we're just going
to do a kitchen bath, but maybe we want to
do the master bedroom as well, or maybe a base.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Do you get that often or yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Because so I call them kind of tagle on projects.
So if pine the sky, if you you know, you go, well, okay, uh,
I hate my kitchen and I need three new bass. Well,
almost nobody can afford to do all of that at
the same time. But if the if the main project
is the kitchen and maybe one of the bass is
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a second day project, that could make it into that
into this budget for this time, you know, you generally
are getting a twenty to thirty break on that second
project because you know, my guys are in there doing
drywall in the kitchen. To do a little more in
a bath is relatively easy, and we can almost do
that part for like half the cost, So it affects
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the whole budget quite a bit. So we One fun
thing for me to do is that we've always done
is try and figure out what drove the original project.
And so many times it's something simple, I want to
we need to open up this wall, or we want
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different flooring. You know, we're going to take out carpet
and put a wood floor. Well that leads to a kitchen,
which leads to a hallway, which might lead to a
bath or or just painting or you know, cabinets obviously
lead to a lot of things. But failures and bathroom
and we'll lead to kitchens a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, our people, I think I think people are probably
surprised when they learned like the cost of logistics for
like the planning and the and the travel, and like,
I don't think people realize with projects that that.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
What a cout that is.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And when you can have the if you're not have
you know, if you're sharing those logistics, if you're sharing
that that planning, those you know, those materials, the delivery
of all that stuff to one project that as you mentioned,
some of the savings are are huge because I don't
think we always think of like tangibly what we see,
but we don't think about like how much planning went
to You mentioned the dry wallers for example, scheduling that
you know, on that big schedule having them there that day, well,
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simply having them there for a day suddenly now you've
got you know, it's it's it's a huge cost. Savings
is a big part of your job, Mike, is is
who's going to be wearing.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yes, very much so. Yeah, anybody in remodeling or construction,
you're very scheduled driven. Yeah, I know from a homer side,
it seems might seem like why aren't they here this minute,
or why what's happening? But yeah, a lot of moving
parts and pieces, and you know, the permitting for that's
(24:08):
something we haven't talked about in a long time. But
on a whole house or model, the permitting demands have
gotten to be just more and more and more. I mean,
I think our average time now that we spend getting
permits for like a whole house remodel or addition is
I would like to say the averages like a couple
(24:30):
of months we had a house that we're finishing up
now that we took us five months to get the
permit we were It's not just like, Okay, sign the
contract and start. It's sign the contract and start the
permitting process. Speech just getting through the preliminaries for that
can take several months. Now, depending on where you're at.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Can that help with having a bigger project is rather
than I guess having not having to go through like
let's say you're going to do a bathroom this year
in the kitchen next year, is it more efficient to
get all that those permits done up?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It'spense. It depends on you know what there is structurally,
So that's where the slow down happens. Is if you're
if you're opening up a roof or if you're uh,
you know, if you're doing an addition, you're gonna you're
gonna have you're gonna be engineering things, and sometimes that
can be can slow down. Other than that, you know,
the the smaller projects are are actually fairly easy to permit.
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If you're doing a kitchen, er a bath, it's it's
relatively simple from their end because you're not necessarily changing
the whole structure of the homes. I mean you you
might be putting a beam in here or or there,
and occasionally, you know, we we suspect those beams, and
I generally know how to size those beams just because
I've been around long enough. But I also can do
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the mass. I can actually pull out the book and go, Okay,
we're carrying this much load, and you know this is
this gets to be where projects where we've gone in
where somebody's flipped the house, you know that was really
popular for a long time, or homeowners maybe bit off
more than they can chew and put a beam up
that's supporting second floor and possibly roof flowed. I also know,
(26:11):
and in a specter would know if they would have
seen it, that some things get undersized and need to
be fixed and so this is this is why that
permitting process is important, because they will they will catch
those things. They'll say, Okay, you're gonna you're gonna open
up a wall fourteen feet that's carrying second floor floor
and I go on in my head, I know, I
(26:31):
know that when you get above twelve or thirteen the
beam kind of changes. I don't know if we're talking
about whole house for models anymore, but suff we're off
on a tangent. But but I know like normal beams,
you know, do twelve or thirteen feet ish, and you
know when you go over that you start really the
demands on that beam get a lot more. So there's
(26:54):
a reason for that that that permitting and you know,
so solves those problems.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
To That's an angle I'd never thought of before as
why that might be for more permits is.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Oh wait, by the way, I'll give you a quick
rundown on the worst offender I think we've seen. It
was a homeowner in an old house was out in
the country, and when I walked in, they had a
it looked like two two by eights that were going
about twenty four feet carrying floor load for the upstairs
and the deflection, meaning how much they were bowed down
(27:25):
in the middle was about three inches. So it's like
living next to the volcano here. The second floor is
kind of sliding.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh yeah, oh my good there talking this morning with
Mike two EG of Edge Construction the website Edge Construction
Company dot com. That's all one word, Edge Construction Company
dot com. Tel number six So eight six three six
three three four three that number six three six edge. What,
by the way, with additions, what drives people generally to
explore adding an addition to a home is that is
(27:56):
that like one where they start maybe thinking, okay, we'll
look at maybe a basement remodel or something, or maybe
they've just run out of like what kind of what
drives people to to say, you know what, let's let's
pour a foundation and let's let's.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Go Well, you have to have a really good reason
for an addition. They're expensive and they're pain and you know,
it's just tough to do in a lot of areas.
And so interestingly, people put a lot of thought into editions,
like I don't think these happened sort of willy nilly
like it. So I got this idea this week and
we're going to explore an edition, there's got to be
(28:27):
a good reason. I think mostly the ones that we've
done the past several years have been either a master suite,
like a lot of a lot of houses in the
utilitarian fifties, sixties, seventies didn't really have much of a
they had a bedroom in another bedroom. They don't really
have them something you could call them master bedroom. And
(28:48):
so those have gotten important. And if you got the
lot to deal with it and make it happen, that's
that's great. A really popular one is just just extra
living space in that first force that it's just another
place for people to go to congregate. And so one
that we're digging probably in a couple of weeks, I hope,
(29:10):
is it's just a kind of a centerroom edition. It's
gonna have a fireplace in it, lots of windows, it's
right off there, great room and kitchen, and it's like
I said, it's just another another place for people to go.
And a lot of design now that we're doing is
is I like our people to think in terms of
areas for people to hang out to congregate. And so
(29:33):
you know, we got the kitchen, we got a lower level,
we got a great room. We got maybe a sunroom.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I'm want to ask you about coming to the next
thing and about kind of goals and what people as
you mentioned, you know, as you're planning out how people
are going to congregate, I've got to assume that there's
also thought of like for for home ORNs. This is
why we want to do a whole Homer model, or
why we want to do that diditation. There's got to
be some like goals and big ideas. Let me ask
you a little bit about that. We'll do all of
that next, of course, the Homer Modeling Show with that
(29:59):
construction continuing right here in thirteen ten WIBA the website
Edge Construction Company dot Com. That's all one word Edge
Construction Company dot Com. Telp number six O eight six
three six three three four three that number six three
six Edge. Of course, Edge Construction brings you the Homer
Modeling Show right here on thirteen ten Wuiba. This is
the Homer Modeling Show brought to you by Edge Construction online.
Edge Construction Company dot Com. That's all one word Edge
(30:21):
Construction Company dot Com. Teleph number six O eight six
three six three three four three That number six three
six Edge. Much for the break, I was asking you
about kind of like the overall idea of what folks
are ask you a little bit about like additions and
what kind of drives that with whole Homer models. Is
is it generally just kind of remedy old the old issues,
(30:43):
or is it is it modernization? I mean, what kind
of drives a lot of this this planning and what's
kind of that goal and motivation for a lot of homeowners.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I think it's a kind of a cascading bunch of reasons.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, Like so.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
If you thought about your own house and you go, okay,
a lot of people buy a house and it it's
whatever era it's from, it's still there. Maybe it's the seventies,
maybe it's the sixties or earlier. But maybe nothing's been updated.
Maybe the kitchen has been updated, the bathrooms have not
been updated. You got a bunch of small rooms and
smaller houses. Maybe the windows aren't great. All it's got
(31:20):
eight different types of flooring, and so like you start
adding this up. Electrically, it's probably got issues and mechanically
just in general heating, plumbing, and that's where you start
kicking into Okay, do I just piecemeal this and go
through ten years of pain, or do I really attack it,
make it nice? Okay, I'm not probably living in it
(31:40):
for half a year, five months, six months. But now
we've got it. Now we're moving back into a new
house in the area that we want to live and
I don't have all these problems. I don't have to
I don't have to think about maintenance for probably ten years.
Maybe I don't know a lot of these that when
we do these whole Homer models, we're taking care of
things like you know, we're updating the siding, we're updating
(32:03):
a bunch of windows were possibly roofs and half the cases. Uh.
And I think that's really attractive to people because you're going,
you know what, really great not to have to worry
for a while. It's almost like having a new house.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Are they You mentioned the mechanicals as well. I think
you think of old, old houses and some of the
old furnaces and things, how kind of inefficient those those were.
And I've got to assume for a lot of folks
some of this is and maybe not the driving force,
but certainly they quickly realize the benefits of some of
(32:35):
these modern modern things. You're able to do things that
again you don't see It's that we're not talking about
the flashy stuff like countertops and floorings and stuff, but
like the things that make the housework really make a
profound difference.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
You mentioned a new roof. I mean things that really
have a have.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
An impactest fear, yes, but yeah, of course, you know
the when you were talking, I was thinking about some
of these old furnaces that we've replaced that were you know,
they're not efficient. They also didn't work that great and
maybe maybe the furnace worked fine, but but all the
(33:12):
heat trunks coming off and the returners weren't the right spots,
and maybe it wasn't balanced very well. Uh and then
but the some of these old furnaces that we they
should be like in a kid's movie with eyebrows and
frowning at yeah, because they also never die like those
old ones. They'll they'll inefficiently go on forever in some cases.
(33:35):
So you know, that can be a great driver of
for modeling, because we we know anybody who own owns
a house probably has to have had replaced something major
like that air conditioning or any of the h VSD stuff.
Plumbing kind of operates on its own like you just
sort of forget about it until there's a problem, and
then it's like, oh my gosh, yes, but you know
(33:56):
there there's there's so many times now that we go
into houses that have three or four different types of pipe.
You got galvanized copper, you might even have some of
the newer stuff, the rudder blue. I call it Pecks,
but it's really pas but Pecks is a brand name.
I Kodak, but or PBC. You canna have four different
types of pipe and it's not unusual. And this just
(34:20):
it's it's messly. It's to me, it's just asking for trouble.
It's a chance to clean all that stuff up to.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Gott this morning with Mike two weg, owner of Edge
Construction online Edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one
worth Edgeconstruction Company dot com or twelve number six O
eight six three six three three four three that number
six three six Edge talking about whole home remodeling projects
as well as additions. Of course, Edge Construction they do those,
and a lot of folks I know that have maybe
done some smaller projects will often call Mike and say, hey,
(34:48):
we've been thinking about doing something a little bit more significant.
It's a great day to start that conversation. If you
like that, all I got to pick up phone, get
me a call six o eight six three six three
three four three that number six three six edge. Let's
talk about some of the some of the glitzy stuff,
the fun stuff that that you get to see. We're
talking about some of the important parts of a whole
Homer model. Another great thing is you can really make
(35:10):
your house.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And you kind of alluded to it earlier.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You just go away while there were the projects going on,
and you're literally, oftentimes walking into basically a brand new
house your favorite neighborhood, all your all the things that
you loved about your house before are still there, but
now you've got modern everything and it's it looks absolutely fantastic.
That's got to be a great that'd be a great
feeling for home owned.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I think the I.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Think it is a great feeling. I mean because you know,
you now it's and it's designed. You know, when you
when you buy a house and the kitchen has been done. Okay,
that's great, but it may not be what you picked
you know, would have picked out if you had the choice.
You know, so like at least you when you're doing it,
you get to enjoy the things that you like. Yeah,
that's that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I want to ask you about countertops too. Is just
we're kind of talking about Homer modeling. You were mentioning
earlier about some of the inferior ish products that came
to that still hold up, but they may not look great.
I think of, like, I know we on this this
count this thing won't die. Uh it's it's gonna it's
(36:15):
it's like it is a it is a nauseating color
and pattern, but it had that the durability part going
for it. Now the other side of the spectrum is
the beauty part. This this countertop here at the radio
station is completely lack and that it is amazing what
they do now with with especially you know we talk
(36:36):
about quartz. Is you can make it look absolutely stunning,
make it look like natural stone if that's you're looking for.
You can give it a unique color, unique pattern, all
that stuff, and the stuff is amazingly durable, And I
think of like drivers for any type of remodeling, imagine
just having that just that perfect you know, that perfect
surface that not only is gonna perform well, but actually
(36:58):
looks fantastic in your kitchen.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Also, it really I mean it's uh, which okay, if
you're gonna probably ninety five percent or more of the
counter tops we do are are courts, and it's it's
it has all those things right, the durability, it's it's
a harder stone than granite, which is a harder stone
than than almost anything. And so it's uh than Marvel
(37:20):
especially and you know, there are a thousand year old
Marvel counter tops by the way in the in Europe
and the Middle East, and so it's a two thousand
year old count taps countertops, but columns and yeah, and
so it's a very stone is just a great product
as far as making the designs. To me, that's what's
really sold. It is if you like a stone basically
(37:42):
from anywhere in the world right now, I think you
can find it in our showroom in a in a
sample because the manufacturers of quarts can reproduce just about anything.
And so one interesting thing I saw we got the
Builder Show coming up in February. I'm excited to go again,
and our designers are going this year, so that's always
(38:04):
makes it doubly fun. But last year at the show.
We haven't seen this on the retail side yet, but uh,
there are companies now on the Courts product line that
are coming up with unique looks like they're something not
found in nature. And some of it I went, I
don't know about that. Our designers are going, what do
you mean? And that's cool stuff. We can use that
(38:24):
in designs.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
We get a badger Bucky Red countertopho. Probably we need
to replace this right in here with the Badger Red.
Talk this morning with Mike two Egg, owner of Edge
Construction online. Edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one
word Edge Construction Company dot com telp number six O
eight six three six three three four three that number
(38:46):
six three six Edge. Continue our conversation with Mike two
E Edge Construction. We'll do that next if the Homer
Modeling Show continues right here at thirteen ten do wuib
Construction Company dot com. That's all one word Edge Construction
Company dot Com telf number six O eight six three
six three four three number six three six Edge talking
about home whole home remodeling projects and additions. It was
like we as always we're coming down the home stretch charting.
(39:07):
It feels like we're just getting started on this uh
on these conversations and Mike with the UH we left
off talking about some of the you know courts for example,
just these amazingly high quality products that are available out
there that only not only do they perform well, they
look absolutely beautiful. I feel like we'd be remiss if
if we didn't talk about flooring, and specifically, I know
(39:27):
we talked a couple of weeks, touched on it a bit,
uh natural real wood floor when it comes to doing
a whole home model, what a what a great opportunity
to to you mention you know some of those houses
that have like the the special of the month from
the big box store flooring, What a great opportunity to
get all that yea, all that junk out and get
(39:49):
like a really really nice floor in and correct me
if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
A lot of folks do decide to do just that
with a whole homer model.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
They are and wood floor I I know I talked
about it a lot, but we're refinishing. We were finished
wood floors in the house we are for our projects,
and we were finished routinely refinished wood floors that are
a hundred years old and add on to them and
feather into them that are one hundred years old and
(40:18):
still have at least one hundred years more life left
in him. I think it's one of the best products
ever made, at least on our side of things in construction.
Have we do and have done pretty much every other
product we've done, the lvps we do. We still do
some of the lvps, But I think it's a healthy
(40:38):
trend towards natural products. Builders love the stuff like the
click flooring, the snap together flooring because it's like a
one day install and it's in it's not necessarily cheaper
than a real wood product that's going to last for
a lot longer than we are. So it's the inconvenience
of having to block out maybe four or five days
(41:00):
is a one day install, And to me, I think
like in the life of a house, we can spare
a few days to put in a better product, and
and we should do that.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
You know, we always hear about some of these amazing
reveals of like you know on the TV shows that
like open up a wall and they find something.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Spectator, do you ever find like and.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I already find something?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yes, oftentimes it's bad. Sometimes it's good, though, but you
ever have this where you like get to a house
and all of a sudden you discover that they've they've
covered up just a beautiful wood floor that you guys
are able to reveal and and really really make use of.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yes, it's a it's a tough process. By the way,
a lot of times those those floors have been carpeted over,
or you know, if somebody has nailed down or stapled
down a bunch of cordrnch ply and then put vinyl
floor over wood, its probably unrecoverable, usually is, and generally
they did that for a reason. Like those big where areas,
(41:52):
like in a kitchen is where that would happen. And uh,
you know you can't bring those back. But what we'll
do in those cases is take out selectively. We'll take
out selectively, put a new stuff where we need to
sand it all down. We're none the wiser. Right, it
all looks good and I think it's a great use
of resources.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
How awesome is that you've rather thinking about doing a
whole Homer model or an addition, or are you thinking
about going up and doing another story on your house
or are you thinking about, man, you know, what we
need to get this bathroom ready, and of course the
kitchens as well. Maybe you're going to a holiday party
this time of year, going out for Christmas to see
the family.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
You see, somebody got some ideas. Love to talk to
that Edge Construction.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Oh you got to pick up phone, give a call
six so eight six three six three three four three
that number six three six edge of the website Edgeconstruction
Company dot com. Of course, Edge Construction brings you the
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It's always being updated with recent projects. Also some fantastic
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
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Been thinking about doing some remodeling, head on over to
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Telephone umber of Edge Construction six to eight six three
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six edge in joining us this morning is the owner
of Edge Construction, Mike two egg.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Mike, I you betting great Sjel.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's good to talk to you, and we're talking whole home,
whole house remodeling, and that's that's a big sense. And
you guys do do a few of these each year,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
We do three is kind of our magic number.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
To be honest, I think it'd be harder for any
company to do more than that. It's you got to
keep we don't want too much food on your plate,
you know, you know, to overwhelm your people, and you
got to keep things moving. So we try to have
us spring one in a midsummer one and then one
a little bit later. And yeah, and that's what we're
talking about because and we sort of throw like additions
into that category. Two editions. Yeah, there's once in a
(01:23):
while a small addition that's not too hard to do,
and we and we love those. I love those. It's
really nice to have something simple once in a while.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But but additions are are the effect usually more than
just a space you're adding on. So you know, additions
and whole homeer models are in the are very popular
right now, and it has a lot to there's a
lot of factors. But people are are not necessarily looking
for that next big move up house, which I think
(01:54):
is healthy. Like this thing where we're moving all the time,
I'm not sure that was healthy for housing.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Is some of this like the as you mentioned, why
people what's driving a lot of this? Is it also
because I just look at the materials and the things
that are available, and I think of the workmanship that
you guys do at edge construction. It seems it feels
like things have gotten better, like people have like a
higher expectation for quality. You think about again, what you
(02:22):
guys do at edge construction, the type of work that
you do, that seems to be where people are going.
And maybe it has to do with the fact that
people are staying in their houses longer that they're saying,
we're going to do a remodel, but we want really
good countertops, we want the real wood floors, we want
the high quality cabinets, We want all these things and
we want them done by.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Really, really good carpenters. Are you seeing that?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I mean, is that kind of some of it too,
Because it feels like there seems to be this sudden
love of really high quality remodeling.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's really an interesting thing. Like we went through the
early two thousands where it was kind of turn and burn,
you know, gonna throw another coat of white paint on
and maybe some particle word cabinets and and landlet floors,
and do whatever it takes to get it sold and
move up to my next house and I to be
honest that that was not a fun time to be
(03:13):
doing this job because it wasn't about putting in quality
products that are gonna last. It was about, like, how
can we facelift this thing so that you know it's
It's like, I don't really want to commit to this
house because I don't think we're gonna be here very long.
And back then, the average time that people were in
houses was five to seven years.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Seems crazy, and why would you invest in good stuff?
So there there has been a move towards quality and
natural products. I think it's not just you know, we
talked so much about like it's not just about how
it looks, it's about how it feels. And you want
(03:53):
the right amount of light, you want the right amount
of windows, You want a good quality product. You mentioned
wood floors, and you know, and they should be sending
me a chet because I talked about these wood for
stuff all the time. I really love the natural products. Also,
I don't we know when something has to be engineered
and processed. I don't know that that processed word is
(04:18):
kind of a dirty word, because you know what it means.
It's got to get trucked to another place. It's got
to use the resources to turning in turn it into
something that it's not. And you know, we have these
great natural products with the stone car tops and the
in real wood. Actually you know we cut down trees
and make make things out of it. So I think
that's a better pathway.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And I've got to make the assumption that that this
overall trend or quality has been been good for you
at Edge construction too is I know there is a
standard that that you know, there's not people are saying, well,
I want to go lower than this, and I know
you guys at Edge construction say, well, this is kind
of this is where we work. And when we talk
(04:57):
about you know, with these whole homer models or additions,
people really looking to put some quality stuff in. This
has got to be overall really good for you guys too. Well.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Is because you know we do have you're when you're
what you're talking about is the floor of product. So
we have, uh a level of product that we won't
go below. And uh that is after years and years
of trying things that failed or you know, where we
had problems and maybe we had to overcome those problems
(05:28):
and uh, very occasionally we get talked into, uh, I
don't want to describe this product or you know, into
a into a product that we probably shouldn't you know,
and maybe knew ahead of time we shouldn't put in.
But sometimes we're matching up to things that are already there,
and you know, it is kind of you do have
(05:48):
to stay. It's wasteful to just tear stuff out that's
got life left in it, so we'll we'll do that.
But uh, there are times when we've dip below, like
on our you know, I was, of course one of
the only real products that I talk about a brand name,
and it's a I don't feel bad about it because
it's a Wisconsin company and uh, Wisconsin family, and the
family still is there. And and also I really believe
(06:10):
in the product. They may they they make a great product.
Does that mean you're never ever ever going to have
an issue with a color faucet or tub or whatever
it is. No, No, every product might have an issue,
but I think we have less with color. It's more dependable,
and when it comes to standing behind it, there's not
been problems. I have been talked into in my past,
(06:32):
some off the rack stuff at the big box stores
because people like to.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Look at it.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Sometimes that in for your product has a really great look,
and you know, here's what can happen. I we had
a homeowner that used a fixture in a powder bath
one time. Went Now, if you kind of force us
to do something, and most remodels are like this. If
you if you want us to use a prouct that
(06:58):
we're not comfortable with, We're probably not gonna want to
stand behind that. You're gonna accept liability for that. And
so that's just a nature of things in this business.
But I'm gonna run on vacation, left left for the
weekend or whatever, and came back to a flooded house
and so we actually got to do the house twice.
You know, on the good side, we're really in practice
(07:18):
by that. But I'm pretty pretty frustrating for the homeowner,
and you know, there was an even chance that that
nothing would have happened. I'm not saying all those products
are bad, it's just you want your remodeler to work
in their comfort zone. Also, like you want them to
pick product, use the products that they're used to and
are and are really familiar with and are willing to
(07:40):
stand behind, and there's a lot of reasons for people
to pick up those products they do.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
My feeling is the second time around, they probably trusted you.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We did not use that product.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yes, your recommendations much much more.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
As we're talking, it's funny the mic two edge Construction online,
Edge Construction Company dot com. That's Edge Construction Company dot
com talking this week about whole home remodel.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Also we'll get.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Into additions as well. It's kind of laying some of
the groundwork to this conversation. Mike, and I think of
you hear that term like a custom builder or custom
homes oftentimes, I think there's.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Very wide.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Birth everybody's a customer exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Is that where some of this comes into where somebody
actually does want like a very personalized kind of custom home.
Maybe they've got the houses built in the eighties or
nineties and it has that you know, eighties or nineties
feel saying, you know what, we really want to sit
down with a designer and actually have somebody listen to
what we want and come out on the on the
remodeled side with something that is truly custom, truly unique
(08:40):
and personalized.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, and and uh, you know, I I Puget the builders,
and we build a couple of houses here and there,
so I it's us too. It's like as far as
that custom word, okay, I do like poking fun at
that word, because what's the saying that there are no
new ideas or like the there's only like ten percent
new ideas or something. And it's kind of that way
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in construction. If you if you how many ways, how
many different ways are there to build a three bedroom ranch? Like, Okay,
we've we have the houses that we've built the past
several years all started off on a blank sheet or
in cat and we now but we know we're not
reinventing the wheel. When you remodel, it's much different, you know.
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And and I do think new builders should spend a
lot more time in design because I think that the
process is probably too fast and when you don't spend
enough time in design on the front end, you're not
going to end up with something that's going to last
on the other end. I don't think unless you, you know,
really have a great design and you just ride that
thing to the grave and build it forever. If you
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on the on the remodel side, we'll take that eighties
house that has some of these fatal flaws that we
can see now. In eighties, we thought we were cutting edge,
right and so you you you take that now and
you go, okay, we're gonna we need to solve the problems.
But we have to work within the confines of what
we have there, of this, of this eighty structure. And
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so I think it takes a lot more designed to
do a good job on the remodel then sometimes on
the on the front end on a new build.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I think those eighties and say even some nineties, I
think those quarter cabinets, and I also think of those
those islands or not peninsula, the peninsulas, and especially that
backside of the peninsula, like what do you do?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That was never was like okay, you got this.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And then it's it's it's tough to get utility out
of that space. So if you live your peninsula, by
the way, we're not picking on you. There are times
that that they work. They just work. I mean, we've
had singing. I think we had two jobs this year
where we either put in a peninsula or went through
the remodel. We it was really our only option to
get maybe a couple of seats and a little more
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storage and so. But yeah, the islands have taken over
and just opening up things. And uh, you mentioned the
corner cabinets. They're kind of the bane of my existence.
I try to get rid of those two.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
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get into that. We'll talk about the design process. Obviously,
when you're designing an entire house and kind of working
and touching most of the area's and main areas of
the house, there's definitely going to be a lot of
conversation around design. We'll get into that and so much
more as the Homer Modeling Show with Edge Construction continues
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Edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one word. Edge
Construction Company dot COMTELF number six O eight six three
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Hanging out with Mike Twogg this week talking about whole
home remodels also editions, and Mike kind of laid some
of the some of the foundation of the groundwork to
this to this conversation for this week and that earlier segment,
and one of the areas that is big is the
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design process and whether it's a smaller project or a
whole home remodel, design is vital. As you would kind
of alluded to during the previous break, sometimes you're seeing
some of the consequences of poor design and people not
putting enough time into design. I know it edged construction
design is a very high priority, and I've got to
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guess with a with a whole home remodel, whole home
house remodel, that there's a lot to do when it
comes to design process, isn't there?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It is? And you know, we talk about how you know,
the buzzword is is green or you know, we talk
about efficiency, and we talk about the quality of the products.
But to me, like, uh, if if I had the
ultimate call it would be that this this remodel would
last as long as possible, like it would it would
go forty fifty years without some having to go back
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in there in the future and and redo everything, And Okay,
you've got you have to have products that are going
to last that long. That's kind of a base level,
and I think a lot of homers just assume that
that's what they're getting when they when they when they
buy or model or buy products themselves and install. And
I think that it's really hard to know that unless
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you've how long this stuff is going to last until
you've actually installed it, and you know, got some track
record that you can look back on. The other thing,
like you mentioned design, and we're talking about design a
lot today because if if you put the best products
in with the poor design, I'll guarantee you because we
do this all the time, ten years from now, somebody's
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gonna hate it, that buys that house and and call
somebody like us to tear this stuff back out. And
you're going, well, yeah, it was relatively new stuff. There
was nothing wrong with it. It was still working. But so
I think, like the other half of the coin is
is great design because it if you like it and
you build something that other people are going to like,
there's a good chance that those products are going to
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stay in that house for a lot longer.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It's a it's it's interesting balance too, Mike, is I know.
Part of part of and I think this probably highlights
the skill of of your designers of edge construction is
you want it to be something that truly custom. You
want it to be something very special for the homeowner,
but you also have to make sure that it's something that,
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as you kind of point out, there is it's is
we're not talking about great you know, we're not gluing
pink fur to the ceiling here.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I mean, it's there.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
There is a it is and I don't know, I
don't have this gift, but there is. There is something
special about people that can that can do that where
they say, Okay, we're going to work on a design
that's very custom for you and that's going to be
unique to you. But at the same time, it's not
going to be like out there. I don't know if
that makes sense, but it is an art.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Well. The thing is people all want to I generally
want the same things, right, you want something that's going
to fit all your needs you want. It's got to
be attractive. The space has to feel good, and uh,
you don't want your friends and neighbors to make fun
of you at some point when you do something wrong,
like you're talking about the pink stuff on the ceiling. Yeah,
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and you know you don't have it'd be unreasonable to say, uh,
to my good carpenters, Uh, well, yeah, I need you
to be great designers too, like I don't. I don't
have all those gifts either, Okay. I mean I can
look at the plan and build it. If you give
me the picture, I can build it. And that's what
are My side is the construction side. That's that's their millieu, right.
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They they live in that world and they they kind
of complain if they don't get a good plan, like
they if the plan is not quite right and there's
there's things on there that are unclear that slows them down.
They don't like that. But if I try to delve
onto the other side, I like teasing our designers. If
they're in there working with somebody, I come in and uh,
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I want to give my opinion, and they look at
me like I'm such a child. Just you know, away
go back and build something. But they do have Uh,
you know, when you're working with great designers, it's a
it's you underestimate how the value of that because they
just see things differently, they think differently, and it's very
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helpful in our process.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
What do you when when it comes to, you know,
a whole home er model, what are you on the
building side bringing to the to the designers, like as
far as dimensions and I mean what, I don't think
we've ever explored.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
This like it?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well, yeah, how does that? How does that work?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
It from how how things currently you know, sit and
and kind of taking your expertise of structures and those
type of things, how does that then get get brought
to designers to say here's kind of what we're starting with.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Work your magic.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, so it actually kind of works in reverse. Oh really,
So when when I'll come out usually with Heather, Heather's
head of the designers, She's got the big brain over there,
and homeowners are throwing around the ideas and they're not
necessarily thinking about nuts and bolts and bearing points and
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beam loads and you know, okay, how do they make
this trust? And do we need a girder or whatever
you know, and rooflines and so through experience, I now
let the designers design, okay, and my theory is we're
going to solve the problems later. Now we we had
one last week. It's an addition coming up. Still trying
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to get it out this year. I actually, believe it
or not, but it's not a super complicated one. But
there were a couple of things the designers drew that
I was like, ah, you really made this much harder
by extending this wall one foot, believe it or not,
and because it just affected the roofline, and the designers
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will come back to me and say, hey, I thought
you guys knew what you're doing over there. So so
it does have to be back and forth because we
ironed it out and we can do it the way
they drew it and it won't be especially brutal. You
know it's going to work. But there there is some
back and forth and sometimes some heated back and forth
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between construction and design, and that has always been that way.
Like when I started, there were architects working in residential
and you know, they ship up plans and the first
thing you do when you looked at it was going,
we can't build this, this is gonna work, but through
back and forth you iron out the problems. So I
have come to think that design should come first. Design.
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That's let's let's get a great design and then solve
the problems to make it happen.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Are there's some things that are easier with the whole
homer model since you're if you're able to be working
in different areas. I think of sometimes when you're you know,
let's say you're just doing like a like a bathroom
or kitchen. Again, these are these are obviously for the
homeowner especially, these are still substantial projects. But for for
you guys, when you're doing like a whole home, I've
got to guess not having to necessarily like because you're
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able to maybe tie in differently, I've got to guess
that there are some things, some aspects of like a
whole home remodel that that allows you a little bit
more like I would say it's easier, but a little
bit more flexibility with some of the design and some
of the construction, simply because you're going to be touching
all these different spaces.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Am I am I making? Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And just logistically you know, if we're doing a bathroom, kitchen,
homeowners are living there, if kids, they have pets, they
have you know, we don't. We want to define our
pathways so that we're not into their living space and
we're we're trying to protect our living space when when
we're when we've got the place to ourselves. This happened
last week. We we got going on. It's a big
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old house downtown between the I think it's on Dayton Street. Anyways,
I was able to you know, it's empty, nobody's in it,
and lots of demo on. There's two floors on the
upstairs and downstairs, and it's a it's a two flat
that we're turning into a single house, believe it, you know.
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So that's where it's going. But had been a rental
and you can imagine what not the friendliest situation of
the house. But anyways, I was able to pile I
don't know, six or seven people in there and really
attacked the demo and we didn't have to worry about
somebody in a home office or what if we have
to shut off power for an hour or or things
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like that. So I think for us, our bread and
butter is are the kitchens and mass and lower levels
and kind of into your products projects. That's what we've
been doing forever. I think that's where our strength is.
We have so much horsepower that we can do these
bigger projects and those are fun too. It's it's like
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like anything. If you had to do the same exact
thing every day, you you would probably get sick of it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
What about it?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Do you ever get people that are like they start
out with maybe a smaller scope and start saying, you
know what, maybe maybe I know, you get a lot
of folks that you do work for and then they
a lot of your a lot of your your projects
come from people you've worked for it and work with
in the past. But you ever get people that even
before you start, the worker saying, you know what, maybe
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we want to kind of expand the scope of this
of this project. Maybe go from now we're just going
to do a kitchen bath, but maybe we want to
do the master bedroom as well, or maybe a base.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Do you get that often or yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Because so I call them kind of tagle on projects.
So if pine the sky, if you you know, you go, well, okay, uh,
I hate my kitchen and I need three new bass. Well,
almost nobody can afford to do all of that at
the same time. But if the if the main project
is the kitchen and maybe one of the bass is
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a second day project, that could make it into that
into this budget for this time, you know, you generally
are getting a twenty to thirty break on that second
project because you know, my guys are in there doing
drywall in the kitchen. To do a little more in
a bath is relatively easy, and we can almost do
that part for like half the cost, So it affects
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the whole budget quite a bit. So we One fun
thing for me to do is that we've always done
is try and figure out what drove the original project.
And so many times it's something simple, I want to
we need to open up this wall, or we want
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different flooring. You know, we're going to take out carpet
and put a wood floor. Well that leads to a kitchen,
which leads to a hallway, which might lead to a
bath or or just painting or you know, cabinets obviously
lead to a lot of things. But failures and bathroom
and we'll lead to kitchens a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, our people, I think I think people are probably
surprised when they learned like the cost of logistics for
like the planning and the and the travel, and like,
I don't think people realize with projects that that.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
What a cout that is.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And when you can have the if you're not have
you know, if you're sharing those logistics, if you're sharing
that that planning, those you know, those materials, the delivery
of all that stuff to one project that as you mentioned,
some of the savings are are huge because I don't
think we always think of like tangibly what we see,
but we don't think about like how much planning went
to You mentioned the dry wallers for example, scheduling that
you know, on that big schedule having them there that day, well,
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simply having them there for a day suddenly now you've
got you know, it's it's it's a huge cost. Savings
is a big part of your job, Mike, is is
who's going to be wearing.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yes, very much so. Yeah, anybody in remodeling or construction,
you're very scheduled driven. Yeah, I know from a homer side,
it seems might seem like why aren't they here this minute,
or why what's happening? But yeah, a lot of moving
parts and pieces, and you know, the permitting for that's
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something we haven't talked about in a long time. But
on a whole house or model, the permitting demands have
gotten to be just more and more and more. I mean,
I think our average time now that we spend getting
permits for like a whole house remodel or addition is
I would like to say the averages like a couple
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of months we had a house that we're finishing up
now that we took us five months to get the
permit we were It's not just like, Okay, sign the
contract and start. It's sign the contract and start the
permitting process. Speech just getting through the preliminaries for that
can take several months. Now, depending on where you're at.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Can that help with having a bigger project is rather
than I guess having not having to go through like
let's say you're going to do a bathroom this year
in the kitchen next year, is it more efficient to
get all that those permits done up?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It'spense. It depends on you know what there is structurally,
So that's where the slow down happens. Is if you're
if you're opening up a roof or if you're uh,
you know, if you're doing an addition, you're gonna you're
gonna have you're gonna be engineering things, and sometimes that
can be can slow down. Other than that, you know,
the the smaller projects are are actually fairly easy to permit.
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If you're doing a kitchen, er a bath, it's it's
relatively simple from their end because you're not necessarily changing
the whole structure of the homes. I mean you you
might be putting a beam in here or or there,
and occasionally, you know, we we suspect those beams, and
I generally know how to size those beams just because
I've been around long enough. But I also can do
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the mass. I can actually pull out the book and go, Okay,
we're carrying this much load, and you know this is
this gets to be where projects where we've gone in
where somebody's flipped the house, you know that was really
popular for a long time, or homeowners maybe bit off
more than they can chew and put a beam up
that's supporting second floor and possibly roof flowed. I also know,
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and in a specter would know if they would have
seen it, that some things get undersized and need to
be fixed and so this is this is why that
permitting process is important, because they will they will catch
those things. They'll say, Okay, you're gonna you're gonna open
up a wall fourteen feet that's carrying second floor floor
and I go on in my head, I know, I
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know that when you get above twelve or thirteen the
beam kind of changes. I don't know if we're talking
about whole house for models anymore, but suff we're off
on a tangent. But but I know like normal beams,
you know, do twelve or thirteen feet ish, and you
know when you go over that you start really the
demands on that beam get a lot more. So there's
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a reason for that that that permitting and you know,
so solves those problems.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
To That's an angle I'd never thought of before as
why that might be for more permits is.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Oh wait, by the way, I'll give you a quick
rundown on the worst offender I think we've seen. It
was a homeowner in an old house was out in
the country, and when I walked in, they had a
it looked like two two by eights that were going
about twenty four feet carrying floor load for the upstairs
and the deflection, meaning how much they were bowed down
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in the middle was about three inches. So it's like
living next to the volcano here. The second floor is
kind of sliding.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh yeah, oh my good there talking this morning with
Mike two EG of Edge Construction the website Edge Construction
Company dot com. That's all one word, Edge Construction Company
dot com. Tel number six So eight six three six
three three four three that number six three six edge. What,
by the way, with additions, what drives people generally to
explore adding an addition to a home is that is
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that like one where they start maybe thinking, okay, we'll
look at maybe a basement remodel or something, or maybe
they've just run out of like what kind of what
drives people to to say, you know what, let's let's
pour a foundation and let's let's.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Go Well, you have to have a really good reason
for an addition. They're expensive and they're pain and you know,
it's just tough to do in a lot of areas.
And so interestingly, people put a lot of thought into editions,
like I don't think these happened sort of willy nilly
like it. So I got this idea this week and
we're going to explore an edition, there's got to be
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a good reason. I think mostly the ones that we've
done the past several years have been either a master suite,
like a lot of a lot of houses in the
utilitarian fifties, sixties, seventies didn't really have much of a
they had a bedroom in another bedroom. They don't really
have them something you could call them master bedroom. And
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so those have gotten important. And if you got the
lot to deal with it and make it happen, that's
that's great. A really popular one is just just extra
living space in that first force that it's just another
place for people to go to congregate. And so one
that we're digging probably in a couple of weeks, I hope,
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is it's just a kind of a centerroom edition. It's
gonna have a fireplace in it, lots of windows, it's
right off there, great room and kitchen, and it's like
I said, it's just another another place for people to go.
And a lot of design now that we're doing is
is I like our people to think in terms of
areas for people to hang out to congregate. And so
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you know, we got the kitchen, we got a lower level,
we got a great room. We got maybe a sunroom.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I'm want to ask you about coming to the next
thing and about kind of goals and what people as
you mentioned, you know, as you're planning out how people
are going to congregate, I've got to assume that there's
also thought of like for for home ORNs. This is
why we want to do a whole Homer model, or
why we want to do that diditation. There's got to
be some like goals and big ideas. Let me ask
you a little bit about that. We'll do all of
that next, of course, the Homer Modeling Show with that
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Construction Company dot Com. Teleph number six O eight six
three six three three four three That number six three
six Edge. Much for the break, I was asking you
about kind of like the overall idea of what folks
are ask you a little bit about like additions and
what kind of drives that with whole Homer models. Is
is it generally just kind of remedy old the old issues,
(30:43):
or is it is it modernization? I mean, what kind
of drives a lot of this this planning and what's
kind of that goal and motivation for a lot of homeowners.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I think it's a kind of a cascading bunch of reasons.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, Like so.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
If you thought about your own house and you go, okay,
a lot of people buy a house and it it's
whatever era it's from, it's still there. Maybe it's the seventies,
maybe it's the sixties or earlier. But maybe nothing's been updated.
Maybe the kitchen has been updated, the bathrooms have not
been updated. You got a bunch of small rooms and
smaller houses. Maybe the windows aren't great. All it's got
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eight different types of flooring, and so like you start
adding this up. Electrically, it's probably got issues and mechanically
just in general heating, plumbing, and that's where you start
kicking into Okay, do I just piecemeal this and go
through ten years of pain, or do I really attack it,
make it nice? Okay, I'm not probably living in it
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for half a year, five months, six months. But now
we've got it. Now we're moving back into a new
house in the area that we want to live and
I don't have all these problems. I don't have to
I don't have to think about maintenance for probably ten years.
Maybe I don't know a lot of these that when
we do these whole Homer models, we're taking care of
things like you know, we're updating the siding, we're updating
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a bunch of windows were possibly roofs and half the cases. Uh.
And I think that's really attractive to people because you're going,
you know what, really great not to have to worry
for a while. It's almost like having a new house.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Are they You mentioned the mechanicals as well. I think
you think of old, old houses and some of the
old furnaces and things, how kind of inefficient those those were.
And I've got to assume for a lot of folks
some of this is and maybe not the driving force,
but certainly they quickly realize the benefits of some of
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these modern modern things. You're able to do things that
again you don't see It's that we're not talking about
the flashy stuff like countertops and floorings and stuff, but
like the things that make the housework really make a
profound difference.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
You mentioned a new roof. I mean things that really
have a have.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
An impactest fear, yes, but yeah, of course, you know
the when you were talking, I was thinking about some
of these old furnaces that we've replaced that were you know,
they're not efficient. They also didn't work that great and
maybe maybe the furnace worked fine, but but all the
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heat trunks coming off and the returners weren't the right spots,
and maybe it wasn't balanced very well. Uh and then
but the some of these old furnaces that we they
should be like in a kid's movie with eyebrows and
frowning at yeah, because they also never die like those
old ones. They'll they'll inefficiently go on forever in some cases.
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So you know, that can be a great driver of
for modeling, because we we know anybody who own owns
a house probably has to have had replaced something major
like that air conditioning or any of the h VSD stuff.
Plumbing kind of operates on its own like you just
sort of forget about it until there's a problem, and
then it's like, oh my gosh, yes, but you know
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there there's there's so many times now that we go
into houses that have three or four different types of pipe.
You got galvanized copper, you might even have some of
the newer stuff, the rudder blue. I call it Pecks,
but it's really pas but Pecks is a brand name.
I Kodak, but or PBC. You canna have four different
types of pipe and it's not unusual. And this just
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it's it's messly. It's to me, it's just asking for trouble.
It's a chance to clean all that stuff up to.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Gott this morning with Mike two weg, owner of Edge
Construction online Edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one
worth Edgeconstruction Company dot com or twelve number six O
eight six three six three three four three that number
six three six Edge talking about whole home remodeling projects
as well as additions. Of course, Edge Construction they do those,
and a lot of folks I know that have maybe
done some smaller projects will often call Mike and say, hey,
(34:48):
we've been thinking about doing something a little bit more significant.
It's a great day to start that conversation. If you
like that, all I got to pick up phone, get
me a call six o eight six three six three
three four three that number six three six edge. Let's
talk about some of the some of the glitzy stuff,
the fun stuff that that you get to see. We're
talking about some of the important parts of a whole
Homer model. Another great thing is you can really make
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your house.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And you kind of alluded to it earlier.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You just go away while there were the projects going on,
and you're literally, oftentimes walking into basically a brand new
house your favorite neighborhood, all your all the things that
you loved about your house before are still there, but
now you've got modern everything and it's it looks absolutely fantastic.
That's got to be a great that'd be a great
feeling for home owned.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I think the I.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Think it is a great feeling. I mean because you know,
you now it's and it's designed. You know, when you
when you buy a house and the kitchen has been done. Okay,
that's great, but it may not be what you picked
you know, would have picked out if you had the choice.
You know, so like at least you when you're doing it,
you get to enjoy the things that you like. Yeah,
that's that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I want to ask you about countertops too. Is just
we're kind of talking about Homer modeling. You were mentioning
earlier about some of the inferior ish products that came
to that still hold up, but they may not look great.
I think of, like, I know we on this this
count this thing won't die. Uh it's it's gonna it's
(36:15):
it's like it is a it is a nauseating color
and pattern, but it had that the durability part going
for it. Now the other side of the spectrum is
the beauty part. This this countertop here at the radio
station is completely lack and that it is amazing what
they do now with with especially you know we talk
(36:36):
about quartz. Is you can make it look absolutely stunning,
make it look like natural stone if that's you're looking for.
You can give it a unique color, unique pattern, all
that stuff, and the stuff is amazingly durable, And I
think of like drivers for any type of remodeling, imagine
just having that just that perfect you know, that perfect
surface that not only is gonna perform well, but actually
(36:58):
looks fantastic in your kitchen.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Also, it really I mean it's uh, which okay, if
you're gonna probably ninety five percent or more of the
counter tops we do are are courts, and it's it's
it has all those things right, the durability, it's it's
a harder stone than granite, which is a harder stone
than than almost anything. And so it's uh than Marvel
(37:20):
especially and you know, there are a thousand year old
Marvel counter tops by the way in the in Europe
and the Middle East, and so it's a two thousand
year old count taps countertops, but columns and yeah, and
so it's a very stone is just a great product
as far as making the designs. To me, that's what's
really sold. It is if you like a stone basically
(37:42):
from anywhere in the world right now, I think you
can find it in our showroom in a in a
sample because the manufacturers of quarts can reproduce just about anything.
And so one interesting thing I saw we got the
Builder Show coming up in February. I'm excited to go again,
and our designers are going this year, so that's always
(38:04):
makes it doubly fun. But last year at the show.
We haven't seen this on the retail side yet, but uh,
there are companies now on the Courts product line that
are coming up with unique looks like they're something not
found in nature. And some of it I went, I
don't know about that. Our designers are going, what do
you mean? And that's cool stuff. We can use that
(38:24):
in designs.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
We get a badger Bucky Red countertopho. Probably we need
to replace this right in here with the Badger Red.
Talk this morning with Mike two Egg, owner of Edge
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word Edge Construction Company dot com telp number six O
eight six three six three three four three that number
(38:46):
six three six Edge. Continue our conversation with Mike two
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Company dot Com telf number six O eight six three
six three four three number six three six Edge talking
about home whole home remodeling projects and additions. It was
like we as always we're coming down the home stretch charting.
(39:07):
It feels like we're just getting started on this uh
on these conversations and Mike with the UH we left
off talking about some of the you know courts for example,
just these amazingly high quality products that are available out
there that only not only do they perform well, they
look absolutely beautiful. I feel like we'd be remiss if
if we didn't talk about flooring, and specifically, I know
(39:27):
we talked a couple of weeks, touched on it a bit,
uh natural real wood floor when it comes to doing
a whole home model, what a what a great opportunity
to to you mention you know some of those houses
that have like the the special of the month from
the big box store flooring, What a great opportunity to
get all that yea, all that junk out and get
(39:49):
like a really really nice floor in and correct me
if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
A lot of folks do decide to do just that
with a whole homer model.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
They are and wood floor I I know I talked
about it a lot, but we're refinishing. We were finished
wood floors in the house we are for our projects,
and we were finished routinely refinished wood floors that are
a hundred years old and add on to them and
feather into them that are one hundred years old and
(40:18):
still have at least one hundred years more life left
in him. I think it's one of the best products
ever made, at least on our side of things in construction.
Have we do and have done pretty much every other
product we've done, the lvps we do. We still do
some of the lvps, But I think it's a healthy
(40:38):
trend towards natural products. Builders love the stuff like the
click flooring, the snap together flooring because it's like a
one day install and it's in it's not necessarily cheaper
than a real wood product that's going to last for
a lot longer than we are. So it's the inconvenience
of having to block out maybe four or five days
(41:00):
is a one day install, And to me, I think
like in the life of a house, we can spare
a few days to put in a better product, and
and we should do that.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
You know, we always hear about some of these amazing
reveals of like you know on the TV shows that
like open up a wall and they find something.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Spectator, do you ever find like and.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I already find something?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yes, oftentimes it's bad. Sometimes it's good, though, but you
ever have this where you like get to a house
and all of a sudden you discover that they've they've
covered up just a beautiful wood floor that you guys
are able to reveal and and really really make use of.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yes, it's a it's a tough process. By the way,
a lot of times those those floors have been carpeted over,
or you know, if somebody has nailed down or stapled
down a bunch of cordrnch ply and then put vinyl
floor over wood, its probably unrecoverable, usually is, and generally
they did that for a reason. Like those big where areas,
(41:52):
like in a kitchen is where that would happen. And uh,
you know you can't bring those back. But what we'll
do in those cases is take out selectively. We'll take
out selectively, put a new stuff where we need to
sand it all down. We're none the wiser. Right, it
all looks good and I think it's a great use
of resources.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
How awesome is that you've rather thinking about doing a
whole Homer model or an addition, or are you thinking
about going up and doing another story on your house
or are you thinking about, man, you know, what we
need to get this bathroom ready, and of course the
kitchens as well. Maybe you're going to a holiday party
this time of year, going out for Christmas to see
the family.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
You see, somebody got some ideas. Love to talk to
that Edge Construction.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Oh you got to pick up phone, give a call
six so eight six three six three three four three
that number six three six edge of the website Edgeconstruction
Company dot com. Of course, Edge Construction brings you the
Homer Modeling Show right here on thirteen ten WIBA
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