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This morning is Mike Twoggo Edge Construction. Mike, how was
your Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It was great? Shock Thanksgiving me.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's true's I've never never thought a lot about it,
mostly because yeah, you're right on one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
So you are you a Crimeberry Sasca?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I do.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I love I love everything about uh except for and
this is going to.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Get me in trouble. I'm not a green bean cast
role guy.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I can I can fight my way through that. Have
you ever heard of cranberry pudding?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Really, well, I mean normally cranberry's are kind of like
tart for me. But my mom has and through through
my grandma, who is a rest her soul, great cooks,
and they they have this recipe for cranberry pudding and
it's got this like butter cream sauce you cower the
top and it's like a once a year, maybe twy
you might get it Thanksgiving and Christmas. So Mom, if
(01:31):
you're listening, got some fans here the cranberry I may have.
Is there anything special that you guys do that we
uh not.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, there's not like a big, like a traditional thing
that we just you know, it's basic stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
No, but you may have to invite me up to
the up to come.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
On up your mom's and we're gonna have to try
that cranberry pudding one of these weeks. And Mike, we're
gonna be talking about this week on when it comes
to renovations and kind of an overall view of and
look at renovations, what homeowners care most about, and of
course with the holiday behind us, is I know one
of the areas that is big is overall kitchen space, workability, accessibility,
(02:13):
kitchen remodels. They've just gotten like what you guys are
able to do at edge construction and what we expect
out of a kitchen, even like over the last couple
of decades, we the expectation is much different as far
as how that kitchen should perform than previously.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, kitchens are kind of a big one. And I
think like this is a good time of year to
sort of evaluate a little bit and come up with
a plan for the new year. And we have noticed
by the way traffic's picking up, seems like people are
you know, we do this thing every four years that
just frustrates people and makes them not want to do
(02:51):
anything And gladly that's over. Yes, unless you really mess
Do you want to do that every year? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
No, thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, I was just gonna say, uh, there there are
some trends in you know, and modeling of course, and
kitchen a mouthing, but we're noticing a little bit of
an overall trend even in a new construction, where the
empsis is becoming more and more on the common spaces,
so the places where your family gets together or your
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friends come over. So the kitchen is a big part
of that great room area. You were designing these areas
for people to congregate, so that's and then the bedrooms
see seemed to be on a little bit of a
I don't want to say they're getting smaller. Maybe right
sized is their way to put it instead of We've
done some built some houses with master master bedrooms, huge,
(03:48):
huge master bedrooms in the past, and that trend has
kind of gone is faded a little bit, and people
are going, you know what, I'm sleeping in there, want
a nice bathroom. The master bath has to fit the house.
You know, if you've got a nice, nice house, you're
gonna want a nice master bath, nice kitchen. But the
betrooms and I think this is super healthy, Okay, like,
(04:09):
let's really evaluate where we spend our time and what
we're doing there. And I don't know, maybe you don't
need a couch in your master bedroom.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yes, yes, it seems like a nice thing.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
But at the same time you think about you know,
everything's a give and take and if you had to prioritize,
would you rather have more common area or would you
rather have a couch in your your bedroom? Probably more
common area and when we talked to about the ad
that's about the kitchen is have we it feels like
the kitchen hasn't always been treated as a common area,
(04:42):
has it?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
No, No. Traditionally friends and relatives did not see the kitchen.
I mean you look at the one hundred year old stuff,
eight year old houses that have not been remodeled or
haven't gone through someplace where they where they where they
centralize the kitchen, they tended to be in a backgrouner
of the house, shut off like the galleys, and just
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a small kind of twelve by twelve room, time by
twelve room. Because people weren't spending time back there, They
weren't socializing back in the kitchen. It was it was
seen as an area that you you didn't want anybody
else to see. So the concentration was much more on
I guess there were more rooms in those houses. There
were parlors which would just be made like a den
that I love, That would be cool.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
With that, with that design conversation for kitchens, then I've
got a guess that whereas historically you'd be talking about
you know this almost kind of treating it like like
an industrial type kitchen of like, this is how we
just we prepare food in this space and that's it.
I've got to guess now, a big part of that
design conversation is how do you want to entertain in
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this space? How is this space going to be us?
Whether it's for entertainment or you know, or the family.
How does like there's a different level of fununction that
needs to be applied to the design of a kitchen
or am I.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well, it does because we went through kind of a progression,
right We the older kitchens were super functional, got the
job done, but it wasn't they weren't They weren't open,
they weren't weren't inviting, they weren't meant to entertain, and
a lot of times it would even almost uncomfortable to
have more than one person in there. When I started
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in construction in the kind of the late eighties, the
we felt like we were really jumped ahead because we
started opening things up right like the open the open
concept was coming in, so there were less walls. We
stilled walls, but there were less walls, and uh, you'd
see you'd do an island once in a while, and
certainly at Peninsula, those were pretty big, the breakfast bars.
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So there were steps in the right direction. But when
I look back at some of the pictures from our
from our early times, from my early times, you know,
everything kind of looked the same. I mean, we get
into the eighties and nineties houses, I almost have those
plans memorized. I think in my head is sort of
the same deal. And and we just didn't really divine you.
(07:10):
Design just wasn't advanced enough. We were still designing on
on on paper for the most part, you know. And
so when when things really progressed was when when cads
started making it down to people like us in the
in the probably mid late nineties, because then then we
could we started having more options in it. And it
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wasn't just the thing in the eighties and seventies, wasn't
There's a reason stuff looked the same. We had less
things to pick from. Also, So yeah, the pipeline was very,
very kens. There are three versions of catains probably I
don't know, they just weren't.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That many with it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And as we're going to talk this week a lot
about kind of those renovations and where people are putting
that focus. And we talk about kind of that kitchen
and kind of that changing perspective on on what the
kitchen was versus versus what it is when you guys
are at edge construction, when folks are calling in is
I've got to guess kitchens are probably a very very
(08:06):
high percentage of what people are, especially those who haven't
had a recent remodel. I've got to guess they're they're
at the top or near the top for spaces for remodeling.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Oh yeah, probably about half of what we do is
kitchen models. And then you know, we do some of
those bigger remodels. We seem to do a few of
those years where we do additions or tear the roof
off and go up, or maybe and build a new
house once in a while like we are right now.
But the kitchens never. I mean, if you come to
edge construction, you're going to think, Wow, these guys are
(08:37):
geared towards doing kitchens, and we are so a lot
of the choices that we have the if our showroom
we have cabinet stops, all the tile choices, all the
flooring choices, and we can show you those things in
our showroom in real real world applications.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I think of when it's many years ago now, when
we were looking at buying a home. I remember obviously
the kitchens were important, but one of the things too
was like maybe.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
We can talk to Mike about maybe doing some money.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Do you get that where people are like, the house
is perfect, except maybe and out again were because Thanksgiving
just happened.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Maybe I've just got kitchens on my mind.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
But you here from people that maybe just bought a house,
whether it's a kitchen that they want redone or a
basement done where they like, we loved everything about this house,
but and so we bought the house and we're gonna
call you guys at Edge Construction now.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, So kind of what has happened over the past
bunch of years when you know, we have that dirty
word flip I call it, where when when times are
a little tougher, people would buy houses and they would
they would kind of Martha Stewart that kitchen a little bit,
paint the cabinets and do things to kind of buy
some more time for that kitchen where maybe it maybe
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it'll lasts a little bit longer. There was a time.
We're still working through this. Once in a while we
find one of these where people will paint the Lamin
at countertops to kind of give a little more updated. Look,
you've got to confused. Look, I don't think we've already
talked about this.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I don't. Yes, is it?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Let me ask you this is this is as bad
of an idea as it sounds.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
There am I picturing?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Okay? If you h I love joking about this countertop
in the studio because it's probably from nineteen seventy five
and it's outdated. But is it worn out? No, it's
still serving the purpose. It'd be great if this thing
wore out and you guys that have to replace this
dream of it. So it's so it's hard to wear
out just about every surface you're going to find in
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the kitchen. But yes, Lamin, it's are they get outdated?
They're they're ugly, those old ones are you know, outdated designs,
And people did for a while there was like a
popular thing to just paint them. So what what you
would do with painting your cabinets or painting your countertop
even or doing a stick on backsplashes? That was a
(10:56):
trend for a while and maybe still is really like
stickers that look like Kyle and uh, it's just buy time.
I might buy a three five for six years. I
so homeowners come in that that maybe haven't owned the
house before or kind of unsuspecting. It takes to you
a little while to realize, you know, what you've really
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got here. So there are a kitchen is a big
ticket item. I don't blame anybody for playing it off.
If you're it's probably good business to put it off
on the next person so that they have to do
it at some point. So it's pretty pretty common. I
guess a long story long to come with that story.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I am so hung up on painted counter. Was there
a special paint that they would use?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yes, but it didn't last. It's still like all those
kind of overcoatings, like we see this on the decks,
like for for a while people are trying to buy
some more time with the decks, and you'd buy this
kind of expensive stuff and it almost looked like like
rubber eyes or like a asphalt material over the top
of this deck. And I think in theory it could
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have made sense. But you know, it starts peeling up.
It just it starts to go bad pretty quickly. So
it's again, maybe you bought yourself some time. Maybe that's
you know, and you know, maybe maybe it's worth it
in that standpoint. I haven't seen one of the painted
countertops by the way that I went, Oh, this was
really a great idea. I mean at the time, I
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don't know how bad it looked before they did that,
so maybe it was a and like I said, it
bought them sometimes.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
A couple of years or so. That's I've got want
to ask you too. You mentioned that we are are
we still seeing like that flip you know kind of
I almost feel like we go through that that flip
to rip kind of thing where the houses that were
flipped now you're kind of ripping out all that stuff.
Are we still seeing like are there are there still
flippers out there? Are you still seeing like that's still
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something that you're still having to contend with from time
to time some of that poor quality.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yes, yeah, it is, because you know, anytime the the
things are kind of upside down, like like, houses are
worth a lot of money right now, so if there
are I have a friend that that buys houses that
are distressed or or sheriff sells type stuff, and he
does this and I'm like, you know, I I he
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is my friend, but I'm like, honest, saying, listen, if
you're going to do something, please do Please don't just
hide problems because it's unethical. You know. I talk about
those those young homeowners that have not owned houses before,
and you buy a house, and if this was my
one of my kids, if they bought a house and thought,
you know, this thing's in a really pretty good shape,
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and then you find out rather quickly that you've got
some problems. Maybe it's like your your kitchen and bath
has issues needs to be redone. Those are big ticket
items and costly items. And generally when you buy a house,
you know, you know you don't have an extra fifty
grand laying around to do those renovations. So I'll be
happy someday if the flipping part goes away. I really
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I don't like it. I would rather have people that
are that know and love that house and are going
to stay in it do stuff because you make better decisions,
you use better materials, and and that is really the
trend which I'm sure we're going to talk about, is
putting better stuff in houses.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
As as we talked this week about what homeowners when
it comes to renovation, what they care most about. Quality
is especially, and I think it probably ties in nicely
with that we're staying in these houses longer that when
it's if you're going to be selling it soon, probably
a little different perspective than if you're going to be
living in it for a while. We'll talk with Mike
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six edge and just before the break Mike, probably the
overarching I think connection to what homeowners who are renovating
what they care most about.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Going back to that quality word. We talked about quality.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Before before the break, and certain people are not interested
in that. I think most people that are, if they're
going to be in their home, that's got to be
top of the list. If like this is our forever
or as close to forever homes as foreseeable future as
we can get, that quality word is huge for them,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So the I'll give you a couple of stats. So
like when when we had the big housing boom in
four kind of started ending in six about we know
about eight, but it was for housing, it happened a
little before that. And the average, like the average time
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spent in a house was something like five or six
years back then. It was really short. I mean, that's
a terrible So if you're if you know that you're
buying a house and then hoping for your move up
house in five years, you know you're not going to
really do right by that. How well some people did?
Some people did? The trend was, you know, I don't
want to overdo it because we're gonna sell it. And
it's not hard to sell houses. We know what that's
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like right now, if you're trying to sell your house,
it's not it's not doesn't take very long. But the
trend now on new houses even is towards natural products.
So the stone countertops, real wood floors, we're doing more
of those now than we've ever done. And I know
(16:53):
there's good products out there we still do. Uh, the
the vinyl plank floors and things like that, some of
those are really really a great floor. We're we're doing
more tile now. That's a manufactured product, but it has
natural elements and uh, you know it doesn't come from oil,
is what I'm talking about. And so and we know
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the longevity. So the the what appears to be is
the trend is that that that homeowners want natural things,
they want good quality stuff. Uh, they want products that
are gonna last. Yes, that that energy efficiency thing is
always there, but you know that's now got to be
a given. Like I think, I think homeowners when they're
(17:35):
doing a project now, they expect certain things like to uh,
you know that you're gonna you're gonna go over and
above in certain areas, and that's one of them. But yeah,
that that by the way, I think this is the
healthiest thing in the world for houses. When when it's
important to home for for homeowners to use better quality products,
we also want to do we want to work with
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those products. It's more fun to work with those products.
You can do cooler things with the products, and then
they last longer. So the emphasis becomes as much on
the design as it does the quality product.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And it seems as though the manufacturers have really responded
to that quality desire as well. It's one thing, you know,
as as a homeowner'd be like, I want high quality products.
It's another thing for them to be delivered. And I
know you know when you're talking about things like countertops,
those countertop manufacturers, they have really upped their game, not
only in overall durability, but different options and just overall
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quality has become a huge priority for them.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Well, right, would would would this trend have happened towards
towards the better stuff? If the better if there weren't
that many options out there. And so when you when
you're talking about coner tops, you you're probably talking about
courts right, Yes, Courts for us. Let's see, we started
carrying Courts maybe a dozen years ago or so. The
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manufacturer is largely the same. Uh. You know, you're if
you have a twelve year old Courts countertop, it is
no danger of falling of art. It's going to be
here long after we're all gone, because because the quality
is great. Courts is a very hard stone. It's harder
than granite. Actually, the advantage is when they grind it
up and bind it together and make your countertop, they
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the designs have gotten better, so that, okay, it's got
this great quality. You never have to treat it, which
I hate saying that because it makes it sound like
granite countertops for a bunch of work. They're really not.
It's very easy to maintain your granite countertop. But the Courts, yeah,
you don't have to treat it. They take care of
that factory, so you never have to do that. There,
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there's it's a hard stone. It's it doesn't have the
natural straations I think they call it. It's almost like
you can have you can have stone that sort of
looks almost like it overlaps itself, like it's in the stone.
It can be a little bit of a weak spot. Again,
We've never had a problem with something like this, but
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if you want that perfect product, really it is it
is the Courts product and then the designs. I mean,
like we've got I don't know how many Courts options
in our show. From I think I know it's several
hundred at least, and from the marble looks to pretty
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much any stone around the world that it can be
replicated here in Courts. So it's it's got a lot
of advantages.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It's it's a pretty amazing, amazing product. And not not
only just as far as you mentioned replicating and you
know the look and the and the durability.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You mentioned two.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Real wood floors, which I know for for you personally
is very exciting that they're popular. But there are so
many benefits to good old fashioned wood floors and uh,
and I know you guys are installing a ton of them.
Let's talk about that that movement towards saying, you know what,
we want to go back to that real wood, not
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just something that has a picture of wood exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
So if you're if you're if if one hundred years ago,
if you said you were putting on a wood floor,
we'd all know what that would mean, right, That means
they cut down an actual tree. Yeah, it's uh, probably maple,
it could be oak. Uh, there were great products. It
was three cars of inch thick and the top three
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ace or so is resurfaceable so you can keep sanding it. Uh,
we're we've we are. We are still standing one hundred
year old plus wood floors that have a ton of
life left to them, so you know they could still
easily go for another one hundred years. So to me,
it's the if you care about green, it's the greens
product ever invented. I mean that tree gets cut down once,
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gets gets milled and nailed into your house, and then uh,
generations later, it's still getting getting lots of loving use
out of it. So we have with the products that
we use to finish it have come a long way.
So we use the bonum stuff for for our top coats. Uh.
Water soluble, very durable. It's great for the product. And
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also like uh, it's gotten popular now to to do
some staining of those wood floors, which was tougher in
the past. Uh, to stain a maple floor one hundred
years ago, it was it was it would it would
sometimes look blotchy, and it was just that we just
didn't have the right products in place to do that.
And now we can. Now we can do that really well.
We have we have some some weird stuff. Well we'll
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sand maple or oak floors that have that kind of
orangey color. You know that it's actually a stain called
fruit wood from the from the eighties that won't go
away yet. Uh, but uh, there's actually stains that get
the red out. Okay, yeah, so you can you can
have a floor that this red out floor had had
this orangey stain on it, and uh, we'll stain it.
We can. It's like an overlay stain that it literally
(22:51):
make your floor look like a white oak floors. It's
it's a very popular successful product. So there's lots of
options now that we never had. And uh, you know,
we refinished those floors in house because generally we're color
matching to something or we're you know, there's there's times
we'll do we'll have to do maybe a new nailed
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down wood floor in a kitchen and the rest of
the house has an old floor that's in pretty good shape.
But those those old Polly's that they use the old
old oil based top coats would yellow a little bit
with with time, and so this, uh, we can actually
match up with that look. So we've done that several
times in houses so that it's a little more particular
to do those floors where you're matching up colors, but
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we're able to do that stuff at edge.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Is that where the term feathering comes into?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Am I remembering that?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I feel like that's been mentioned. I think you mentioned
that once before. I was gonna say too, as we
talk about real wood floors, I know that's something you
personally love.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I mean that that is and what I've.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Got always feel good putting those floors.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And and and the and for all the reasons you mentioned. Also,
the other thing is when you look at them, they
just look better. I don't know how to describe it.
There is a and I know there's some really really.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Good violent plank floors.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, but at the end of the day, but nobody's gonna.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Be confused that that's a wood floor.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
It's it's it's a very It looks like when when
you have a real wood floor, it shows that you're
somebody that actually takes a lot of pride in that
space and that job.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I mean we we uh, we built a very nice
house out in the country last last summer. We did
a l VP floor as a young family, and but
it was a really upgraded LVP floor. So you can
you can buy those thin ones they snapped together, you
can buy the The one we put in was a thicker
LVP so the the whole product was about five aces
(24:47):
of an inch stick had a quirk underlayment built into it,
so it's it's uh when snapped together, it really felt solid.
And it was interesting because the homeowner had you know,
people have pets, they have kids, they got all this
stuff and uh. So I think they picked this floor
over a wood floor, not because of costs, actually it
might have been even a little more than a real
wood floor, but because they're their situation and we got
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a bunch of wild animals running around in there, uh
and the dog and uh and so uh. I saw
them about six months after that. They're like, I wish
we would have put a real wood floor in. And
I saw them last week and they said, we're sure.
We're so glad after watching our kids drag all their
stuff around this floor of that so there are you know,
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we have. We have put those vinyl plank floors in
every level of house. We've done parade houses that were
a couple million dollars for for for other builders that
used a really good quality vinyl plank floor that actually
that's where we found that that one that we put
in last year. So it's not a bad thing. It's
just to me, I like the natural products a carpenter,
what cover doesn't want to put a wood floor in?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Does?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Does some of it get?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's something and you mentioned there are you talk about
the vinyl plank is the higher quality ones. It seems
like a lot of folks first introduction to vinyl plank
is like big box clearance. We're going to sell you
these these cartons for for pennies. It seems like is
that partially why people may have like a bad experience
(26:15):
is they bought it on some kind of doorbuster sale
and maybe said I'm going to install this stuff myself
because it's simple, and then literally like a year later
going what did we do.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Well? Well? The problem with that with that stuff on
the lower end. And I'm not saying you you can't
install this and never have a problem. It probably has
a lot to do with your house out situated. You know,
if you're if you're putting this in where where we've
had issues with or builders that we work with have
had issues with the vinyl plank flooring the floating floors
is uh, put the cheaper one in. You got a
(26:49):
self self sun coming in through a patty door, so
you got a big expanse of this floor of that
is really heating up at certain times of the day
and so that expands out, you know, probably more than
a quarter inch, maybe maybe a half inch, and then
when that sun goes down, it just contracts again. And
sometimes the latching part of the of that floating floor
(27:12):
can't take all that stress, and over time we'll show
a weakness there and so on the upper end of
the scale. With those yes, it's better not say you
still can't have those problems. So once in a while,
actually we will. We have a little technique change that
we started doing maybe in the last year. We had
(27:32):
a very nice remodel homeerer wanted the vinyl plank flowing
through the whole house, which we did, and we actually
glued it down. We trailed glue and even though it's
a floating floor, the floating floors tend to be thicker.
You do have the latching points that are together and
and by gluing it down, I think we really stabilized it.
You don't get the noise or you're rolling through and
(27:55):
walking through and might crack or make make noise while
you're walking through it. And that was of concern for
that homeowner. So that that's why we did it. But
so there are ways to do this better. I think
we're still learning, but yeah, we still put up a
lot of that floor and it's just the trend definitely
is towards the natural stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, as we talk about, you know, homeowners what they
care about when it comes to renovating. I I do
a show with us a real some real estate folks,
and one of the things I've noticed in listing is
if if the house has.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Real wood floors, it's.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
A big deal.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It's always mentioned, right.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's one of the first things that they often point out,
is like, you know what dice neighborhood real wood floors.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
And now that we want to do the whole show
on woodforst but but you know, it's it's a lot
of times builders put in the vinyl plank floors, not
because they're cheaper. Because because sometimes the cost is very comparable,
it's that it's a faster install and so uh, you know,
on these tight schedules, everybody's you know, you want to
get in. You want to get in. Builders want to
(28:55):
get it done quick. In my mind, if I could
spend a couple more days on the install, have a
product now that last maybe a couple hundred years, it
might be worth looking.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, talking this morning with Mike Twoing, owner of Edge Construction.
The website edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one
word Edge Construction Company dot com. Check them out. The
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Maybe you had some ideas some rooms you may want
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I got to just pick a phone, gave a call
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Speaker 2 (29:55):
That's six three.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Six Edge and Mike, we could do several shows on
real woodloors. Don't think we've actually done an entire show
on on real wood floors, but maybe we'll do that
in this new year.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
But John, what if it's not as exciting for everybody.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Else, I will tell you that you've you've sold me on,
like like completely on.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I have a feeling that that that passion will will
be it's infectious like that bath fans.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I get teased a lot for talking about bath fans,
but I don't know, you know a good quality fan.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
If you ever want to hear, go back listen to
some of the bathroom podcasts and Mike will tell you.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
By the way, while we're.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Talking about flooring, do we see carpet at all these days?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
We did? We did carpet in a room where.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
It's it's absolutely we we love you know, the hard surfaces.
But the carpet in space I love and I know
that's kind of fell out.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Do you see that or is.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
It back in fashion or is it kind of a
case by case anything.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I mean, I'm on your team, by the way, I
just think it's more comfortable. Yeah, I don't know. And
if I want to roll around on the floor with grandkids,
I think, you know, at least there's a pad down there.
I not get scupped up. But yeah, So we have
a power struggle at my house. My wife loves wood
(31:14):
floor and rugs, and I'm like, well, you know, what's
the difference, Like you have a floor of a rug
or you have a carpet. I think there is comfort there.
So we did we do compromise. For a long time,
the trend has been towards hard surface floors, and I
think it's more than just you know, you you throw
(31:36):
kids in there. I'm just like, okay, kids kids like carpet,
like kids like to They're on a floor a lot,
so they like carpet. But everybody I know has pets.
I think that has had a big influence on the
walk away from the carpet. And so I don't know,
like I think to sometimes people get a bad taste
(31:56):
in their mouth from carpet because the builders. I'm gonna pick
on the builders a little bit. We got that word
builder grade. We know that we all know what that means.
And the temptation is when you're building a house or
respecting a house, that's not a spot where tip. Typically
people are upgrading, so they might be putting in a
low end carpet. Lower carpets do not last. It's not good.
(32:17):
They look they they can look pretty rough after a
couple of years on the wear spots on the stairs
and you know the pathways that you use a lot.
So I think sometimes it's the product, like anything. You know,
we we spent a too much time probably talking about
wood floors, but you have a great quality product. If
you have a great quality product, then nobody ever sees
(32:38):
like it. Nobody puts in a really good quality carpet,
because there are some out there that are fantastic, and
we do see them once in a while, but I
think that it gets the short stick there once in
a while.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Talking's wearing.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Like two owner at Edge constructs the website Edge Construction
Company dot com. It's all one word Edge Construction Company
dot com. Tell number six O eight six three six
three three four or three that number six three six edgends.
We talk about some of the things that kind of
drive renovation. I know for a lot of folks, expanding
families also as kids go away to college and start
(33:13):
their own life, and that also kind of changes things.
You get a lot of people that are saying, I know,
the old joke, at least in my generation, was when
your bedroom becomes the craft room. That means there's a
lot of movement now towards kind of that flex space.
And and really rather than just having it do that
conversion bedroom to a craft room, have kind of the
(33:34):
best of both worlds. And and that is something I
know a lot of folks really really like.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, and there's things out there that can help you.
You know, when when I'm trying to think of what
like sixties TV show had the Murphy bags, there were
some like you know some show that I used to
show that work is actually pulled the bed down out
of the wall.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Is there is that oh my dan Ackroid Blues Brothers.
Is there in there where they're where they're like in
a in a hotel where there they've got a Murphy bed.
But it only like those half like the hotel so tiny.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I feel like that often does so often you don't
even notice it. But yeah, that that. Uh, we we
have at least one coming up. In fact, it's gotten
so normal that homeowners will even install these after the fact,
like most of the time now for us, something like that. Uh,
(34:31):
you can buy a kit to do that online. Uh,
it's it's like Ikia type stuff sometimes. But we have
done some or or we've homeowners have provided us the
hardware and we've built the bed form when it comes down.
But I think you mentioned flex space that how many
times were you know as a kid, I knew people
(34:53):
that had dens like that. At the I know you
just called it a den. I don't know what it
really was for. It was almost like a just another living.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Room or something.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
But now those those rooms have to be in office
and they've got to be a maybe a guest room
if somebody's coming to stay. We have a room coming
up that is it's gonna be like a library. It's
gonna be built in bookshelves, which Mike's gonna build. So
we're gonna see some of that stuff. And I like
(35:21):
that customizing a little bit because you know, you can
put up some really nice bookshelves and it could still
do all those other things right, even in the basement
where we used to have MEETI rooms or projection room,
a movie room. Those rooms have to do more. Now,
like you mentioned the craft thing, maybe it's got to
do that and it's downtime or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
We're going to change next segment. We're going to change completely.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I'm gonna call it because last week or a couple
of weeks ago, you and I when you mentioned Murphy beds,
we briefly touched on Murphy beds the other week, and
then you started talking to me about hidden doors entryway
and we just quick blurb and then we never And
so I'm gonna ask.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You about that.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Sean wants to know. I want to know, and.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
We're gonna I think it's a it's U yeah, the
co host decision there. So we'll talk about that next.
In the meantime, head out over to the website. Edge
Construction Company dot com. All one word Edge Construction Company
dot com. Dolph number six O eight six three six
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And of course Edge Construction brings you the Homer Modeling
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(36:29):
Homer Modeling Show, brought you by Edge Construction Online. Edgeconstruction
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talking this week about why homeowners renovate and what they
care most about. And I'm just going to talk about
me as a homeowner, what I care most about. I
want to hear about this. So you had just kind
(36:50):
of briefly mentioned the other week when we were talking
about you're seeing more and you guys are doing some
of these where there's like a hidden door, like a
hidden entryway, and I I just think.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
How cool would that that be?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Like it's like, h like seems very like I don't know,
just I like it. I like the concept. And you
are getting more requests for these, aren't they we are?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, And uh, in my past, I've done some of those.
The coolest one was quite a few years ago, but
it was somebody that had a I had a really
good reason to have a walk in safe in their basement,
which I never got to see the inside of. By
the way, but in front of it was an office,
and in the back part of that office we're shelving
(37:32):
you like built in shelves and uh so you could,
uh you could pop a book or Papa, I think
it was pop a pull a book. There's a system
out there you can buy for this. Weirdly, it's from
a company named Murphy. So I don't know if what
came first, the Murphy Company or the Murphy dor Maybe
that's why we call them Murphy doors. But yeah, this
Murphy Door company makes these fulling, full units. It's just
(37:56):
I don't love man. I don't want to pick on
a manufacturer, but for what they charge to me, it
should be kind of better. Call youse stuff. I mean,
we've put him in. I'm not saying he didn't buy
a good product. It's that when I have a chance,
i'd rather build a bookshelf because I know what you
make it out of better stuff, And but yeah, you could.
(38:17):
The one we're building is going to be it's a
six foot wide opening. I'm not even sure if the
homewner knows what's going to be in that room. It
might be workout stuff for maybe just a an easy
chair or something. But you wouldn't believe what's available pretty
much rarely available. You can do a like a thumbprint,
you can do a keypad, you can do a fob
(38:39):
that will open the doors, or you can do it
a hidden button that that you know you can you
can color it so just you know you I can
see unless you know it's there.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
That's the coolest James Body, Yes, well that is.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
That's to me, that just seems to be like just
a cool And maybe.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
It's because because I've got kids, So if you would
you would you give them the seat?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Would you get mass in the like? Ah?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Probably, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It just it just seems like, oh, just like it
makes you so well defined. And again mine would likely
just be like a like a recliner.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Would you give your wife's a secret?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Oh oh yeah, but whether I wanted to or not,
I'd be given it to her. We've got you know,
we we've got these you know, these these shows, and
I had mentioned that a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
We talked a little bit about the stuff as well.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
If you haven't had a chance, check out some of
the previous podcasts as well. It's so much really fun information.
We talk in depth, and I know previous shows about
different types of countertops, different types of real wood floors,
stuff we've touched on this week. We do entire shows
on that stuff, and you want to check that out
SAD on Overnight, Edge Construction Company dot com or the
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You'll see that H for hows h o u z Z.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's a really, really powerful tool when it comes to
looking at some work and getting some ideas for some remodeling. Again,
just heading over to Edge Construction Company dot com delphon
number six O eight six three six three three four
three that number six three six Edge Joinings and Studio.
This morning is Mike Twoggo Edge Construction. Mike, how was
your Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It was great? Shock Thanksgiving me.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's true's I've never never thought a lot about it,
mostly because yeah, you're right on one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
So you are you a Crimeberry Sasca?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I do.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I love I love everything about uh except for and
this is going to.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Get me in trouble. I'm not a green bean cast
role guy.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I can I can fight my way through that. Have
you ever heard of cranberry pudding?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Really, well, I mean normally cranberry's are kind of like
tart for me. But my mom has and through through
my grandma, who is a rest her soul, great cooks,
and they they have this recipe for cranberry pudding and
it's got this like butter cream sauce you cower the
top and it's like a once a year, maybe twy
you might get it Thanksgiving and Christmas. So Mom, if
(01:31):
you're listening, got some fans here the cranberry I may have.
Is there anything special that you guys do that we
uh not.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, there's not like a big, like a traditional thing
that we just you know, it's basic stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
No, but you may have to invite me up to
the up to come.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
On up your mom's and we're gonna have to try
that cranberry pudding one of these weeks. And Mike, we're
gonna be talking about this week on when it comes
to renovations and kind of an overall view of and
look at renovations, what homeowners care most about, and of
course with the holiday behind us, is I know one
of the areas that is big is overall kitchen space, workability, accessibility,
(02:13):
kitchen remodels. They've just gotten like what you guys are
able to do at edge construction and what we expect
out of a kitchen, even like over the last couple
of decades, we the expectation is much different as far
as how that kitchen should perform than previously.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, kitchens are kind of a big one. And I
think like this is a good time of year to
sort of evaluate a little bit and come up with
a plan for the new year. And we have noticed
by the way traffic's picking up, seems like people are
you know, we do this thing every four years that
just frustrates people and makes them not want to do
(02:51):
anything And gladly that's over. Yes, unless you really mess
Do you want to do that every year? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
No, thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, I was just gonna say, uh, there there are
some trends in you know, and modeling of course, and
kitchen a mouthing, but we're noticing a little bit of
an overall trend even in a new construction, where the
empsis is becoming more and more on the common spaces,
so the places where your family gets together or your
(03:24):
friends come over. So the kitchen is a big part
of that great room area. You were designing these areas
for people to congregate, so that's and then the bedrooms
see seemed to be on a little bit of a
I don't want to say they're getting smaller. Maybe right
sized is their way to put it instead of We've
done some built some houses with master master bedrooms, huge,
(03:48):
huge master bedrooms in the past, and that trend has
kind of gone is faded a little bit, and people
are going, you know what, I'm sleeping in there, want
a nice bathroom. The master bath has to fit the house.
You know, if you've got a nice, nice house, you're
gonna want a nice master bath, nice kitchen. But the
betrooms and I think this is super healthy, Okay, like,
(04:09):
let's really evaluate where we spend our time and what
we're doing there. And I don't know, maybe you don't
need a couch in your master bedroom.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yes, yes, it seems like a nice thing.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
But at the same time you think about you know,
everything's a give and take and if you had to prioritize,
would you rather have more common area or would you
rather have a couch in your your bedroom? Probably more
common area and when we talked to about the ad
that's about the kitchen is have we it feels like
the kitchen hasn't always been treated as a common area,
(04:42):
has it?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
No, No. Traditionally friends and relatives did not see the kitchen.
I mean you look at the one hundred year old stuff,
eight year old houses that have not been remodeled or
haven't gone through someplace where they where they where they
centralize the kitchen, they tended to be in a backgrouner
of the house, shut off like the galleys, and just
(05:05):
a small kind of twelve by twelve room, time by
twelve room. Because people weren't spending time back there, They
weren't socializing back in the kitchen. It was it was
seen as an area that you you didn't want anybody
else to see. So the concentration was much more on
I guess there were more rooms in those houses. There
were parlors which would just be made like a den
that I love, That would be cool.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
With that, with that design conversation for kitchens, then I've
got a guess that whereas historically you'd be talking about
you know this almost kind of treating it like like
an industrial type kitchen of like, this is how we
just we prepare food in this space and that's it.
I've got to guess now, a big part of that
design conversation is how do you want to entertain in
(05:52):
this space? How is this space going to be us?
Whether it's for entertainment or you know, or the family.
How does like there's a different level of fununction that
needs to be applied to the design of a kitchen
or am I.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well, it does because we went through kind of a progression,
right We the older kitchens were super functional, got the
job done, but it wasn't they weren't They weren't open,
they weren't weren't inviting, they weren't meant to entertain, and
a lot of times it would even almost uncomfortable to
have more than one person in there. When I started
(06:26):
in construction in the kind of the late eighties, the
we felt like we were really jumped ahead because we
started opening things up right like the open the open
concept was coming in, so there were less walls. We
stilled walls, but there were less walls, and uh, you'd
see you'd do an island once in a while, and
certainly at Peninsula, those were pretty big, the breakfast bars.
(06:47):
So there were steps in the right direction. But when
I look back at some of the pictures from our
from our early times, from my early times, you know,
everything kind of looked the same. I mean, we get
into the eighties and nineties houses, I almost have those
plans memorized. I think in my head is sort of
the same deal. And and we just didn't really divine you.
(07:10):
Design just wasn't advanced enough. We were still designing on
on on paper for the most part, you know. And
so when when things really progressed was when when cads
started making it down to people like us in the
in the probably mid late nineties, because then then we
could we started having more options in it. And it
(07:31):
wasn't just the thing in the eighties and seventies, wasn't
There's a reason stuff looked the same. We had less
things to pick from. Also, So yeah, the pipeline was very,
very kens. There are three versions of catains probably I
don't know, they just weren't.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That many with it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And as we're going to talk this week a lot
about kind of those renovations and where people are putting
that focus. And we talk about kind of that kitchen
and kind of that changing perspective on on what the
kitchen was versus versus what it is when you guys
are at edge construction, when folks are calling in is
I've got to guess kitchens are probably a very very
(08:06):
high percentage of what people are, especially those who haven't
had a recent remodel. I've got to guess they're they're
at the top or near the top for spaces for remodeling.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Oh yeah, probably about half of what we do is
kitchen models. And then you know, we do some of
those bigger remodels. We seem to do a few of
those years where we do additions or tear the roof
off and go up, or maybe and build a new
house once in a while like we are right now.
But the kitchens never. I mean, if you come to
edge construction, you're going to think, Wow, these guys are
(08:37):
geared towards doing kitchens, and we are so a lot
of the choices that we have the if our showroom
we have cabinet stops, all the tile choices, all the
flooring choices, and we can show you those things in
our showroom in real real world applications.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I think of when it's many years ago now, when
we were looking at buying a home. I remember obviously
the kitchens were important, but one of the things too
was like maybe.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
We can talk to Mike about maybe doing some money.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Do you get that where people are like, the house
is perfect, except maybe and out again were because Thanksgiving
just happened.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Maybe I've just got kitchens on my mind.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
But you here from people that maybe just bought a house,
whether it's a kitchen that they want redone or a
basement done where they like, we loved everything about this house,
but and so we bought the house and we're gonna
call you guys at Edge Construction now.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, So kind of what has happened over the past
bunch of years when you know, we have that dirty
word flip I call it, where when when times are
a little tougher, people would buy houses and they would
they would kind of Martha Stewart that kitchen a little bit,
paint the cabinets and do things to kind of buy
some more time for that kitchen where maybe it maybe
(09:48):
it'll lasts a little bit longer. There was a time.
We're still working through this. Once in a while we
find one of these where people will paint the Lamin
at countertops to kind of give a little more updated. Look,
you've got to confused. Look, I don't think we've already
talked about this.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I don't. Yes, is it?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Let me ask you this is this is as bad
of an idea as it sounds.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
There am I picturing?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Okay? If you h I love joking about this countertop
in the studio because it's probably from nineteen seventy five
and it's outdated. But is it worn out? No, it's
still serving the purpose. It'd be great if this thing
wore out and you guys that have to replace this
dream of it. So it's so it's hard to wear
out just about every surface you're going to find in
(10:35):
the kitchen. But yes, Lamin, it's are they get outdated?
They're they're ugly, those old ones are you know, outdated designs,
And people did for a while there was like a
popular thing to just paint them. So what what you
would do with painting your cabinets or painting your countertop
even or doing a stick on backsplashes? That was a
(10:56):
trend for a while and maybe still is really like
stickers that look like Kyle and uh, it's just buy time.
I might buy a three five for six years. I
so homeowners come in that that maybe haven't owned the
house before or kind of unsuspecting. It takes to you
a little while to realize, you know, what you've really
(11:17):
got here. So there are a kitchen is a big
ticket item. I don't blame anybody for playing it off.
If you're it's probably good business to put it off
on the next person so that they have to do
it at some point. So it's pretty pretty common. I
guess a long story long to come with that story.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I am so hung up on painted counter. Was there
a special paint that they would use?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yes, but it didn't last. It's still like all those
kind of overcoatings, like we see this on the decks,
like for for a while people are trying to buy
some more time with the decks, and you'd buy this
kind of expensive stuff and it almost looked like like
rubber eyes or like a asphalt material over the top
of this deck. And I think in theory it could
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have made sense. But you know, it starts peeling up.
It just it starts to go bad pretty quickly. So
it's again, maybe you bought yourself some time. Maybe that's
you know, and you know, maybe maybe it's worth it
in that standpoint. I haven't seen one of the painted
countertops by the way that I went, Oh, this was
really a great idea. I mean at the time, I
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don't know how bad it looked before they did that,
so maybe it was a and like I said, it
bought them sometimes.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
A couple of years or so. That's I've got want
to ask you too. You mentioned that we are are
we still seeing like that flip you know kind of
I almost feel like we go through that that flip
to rip kind of thing where the houses that were
flipped now you're kind of ripping out all that stuff.
Are we still seeing like are there are there still
flippers out there? Are you still seeing like that's still
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something that you're still having to contend with from time
to time some of that poor quality.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yes, yeah, it is, because you know, anytime the the
things are kind of upside down, like like, houses are
worth a lot of money right now, so if there
are I have a friend that that buys houses that
are distressed or or sheriff sells type stuff, and he
does this and I'm like, you know, I I he
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is my friend, but I'm like, honest, saying, listen, if
you're going to do something, please do Please don't just
hide problems because it's unethical. You know. I talk about
those those young homeowners that have not owned houses before,
and you buy a house, and if this was my
one of my kids, if they bought a house and thought,
you know, this thing's in a really pretty good shape,
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and then you find out rather quickly that you've got
some problems. Maybe it's like your your kitchen and bath
has issues needs to be redone. Those are big ticket
items and costly items. And generally when you buy a house,
you know, you know you don't have an extra fifty
grand laying around to do those renovations. So I'll be
happy someday if the flipping part goes away. I really
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I don't like it. I would rather have people that
are that know and love that house and are going
to stay in it do stuff because you make better decisions,
you use better materials, and and that is really the
trend which I'm sure we're going to talk about, is
putting better stuff in houses.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
As as we talked this week about what homeowners when
it comes to renovation, what they care most about. Quality
is especially, and I think it probably ties in nicely
with that we're staying in these houses longer that when
it's if you're going to be selling it soon, probably
a little different perspective than if you're going to be
living in it for a while. We'll talk with Mike
about all of that and so much more this morning.
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six edge and just before the break Mike, probably the
overarching I think connection to what homeowners who are renovating
what they care most about.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Going back to that quality word. We talked about quality.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Before before the break, and certain people are not interested
in that. I think most people that are, if they're
going to be in their home, that's got to be
top of the list. If like this is our forever
or as close to forever homes as foreseeable future as
we can get, that quality word is huge for them,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So the I'll give you a couple of stats. So
like when when we had the big housing boom in
four kind of started ending in six about we know
about eight, but it was for housing, it happened a
little before that. And the average, like the average time
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spent in a house was something like five or six
years back then. It was really short. I mean, that's
a terrible So if you're if you know that you're
buying a house and then hoping for your move up
house in five years, you know you're not going to
really do right by that. How well some people did?
Some people did? The trend was, you know, I don't
want to overdo it because we're gonna sell it. And
it's not hard to sell houses. We know what that's
(16:32):
like right now, if you're trying to sell your house,
it's not it's not doesn't take very long. But the
trend now on new houses even is towards natural products.
So the stone countertops, real wood floors, we're doing more
of those now than we've ever done. And I know
(16:53):
there's good products out there we still do. Uh, the
the vinyl plank floors and things like that, some of
those are really really a great floor. We're we're doing
more tile now. That's a manufactured product, but it has
natural elements and uh, you know it doesn't come from oil,
is what I'm talking about. And so and we know
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the longevity. So the the what appears to be is
the trend is that that that homeowners want natural things,
they want good quality stuff. Uh, they want products that
are gonna last. Yes, that that energy efficiency thing is
always there, but you know that's now got to be
a given. Like I think, I think homeowners when they're
(17:35):
doing a project now, they expect certain things like to uh,
you know that you're gonna you're gonna go over and
above in certain areas, and that's one of them. But yeah,
that that by the way, I think this is the
healthiest thing in the world for houses. When when it's
important to home for for homeowners to use better quality products,
we also want to do we want to work with
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those products. It's more fun to work with those products.
You can do cooler things with the products, and then
they last longer. So the emphasis becomes as much on
the design as it does the quality product.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And it seems as though the manufacturers have really responded
to that quality desire as well. It's one thing, you know,
as as a homeowner'd be like, I want high quality products.
It's another thing for them to be delivered. And I
know you know when you're talking about things like countertops,
those countertop manufacturers, they have really upped their game, not
only in overall durability, but different options and just overall
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quality has become a huge priority for them.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Well, right, would would would this trend have happened towards
towards the better stuff? If the better if there weren't
that many options out there. And so when you when
you're talking about coner tops, you you're probably talking about
courts right, Yes, Courts for us. Let's see, we started
carrying Courts maybe a dozen years ago or so. The
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manufacturer is largely the same. Uh. You know, you're if
you have a twelve year old Courts countertop, it is
no danger of falling of art. It's going to be
here long after we're all gone, because because the quality
is great. Courts is a very hard stone. It's harder
than granite. Actually, the advantage is when they grind it
up and bind it together and make your countertop, they
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the designs have gotten better, so that, okay, it's got
this great quality. You never have to treat it, which
I hate saying that because it makes it sound like
granite countertops for a bunch of work. They're really not.
It's very easy to maintain your granite countertop. But the Courts, yeah,
you don't have to treat it. They take care of
that factory, so you never have to do that. There,
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there's it's a hard stone. It's it doesn't have the
natural straations I think they call it. It's almost like
you can have you can have stone that sort of
looks almost like it overlaps itself, like it's in the stone.
It can be a little bit of a weak spot. Again,
We've never had a problem with something like this, but
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if you want that perfect product, really it is it
is the Courts product and then the designs. I mean,
like we've got I don't know how many Courts options
in our show. From I think I know it's several
hundred at least, and from the marble looks to pretty
(20:19):
much any stone around the world that it can be
replicated here in Courts. So it's it's got a lot
of advantages.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It's it's a pretty amazing, amazing product. And not not
only just as far as you mentioned replicating and you
know the look and the and the durability.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You mentioned two.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Real wood floors, which I know for for you personally
is very exciting that they're popular. But there are so
many benefits to good old fashioned wood floors and uh,
and I know you guys are installing a ton of them.
Let's talk about that that movement towards saying, you know what,
we want to go back to that real wood, not
(20:58):
just something that has a picture of wood exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
So if you're if you're if if one hundred years ago,
if you said you were putting on a wood floor,
we'd all know what that would mean, right, That means
they cut down an actual tree. Yeah, it's uh, probably maple,
it could be oak. Uh, there were great products. It
was three cars of inch thick and the top three
(21:21):
ace or so is resurfaceable so you can keep sanding it. Uh,
we're we've we are. We are still standing one hundred
year old plus wood floors that have a ton of
life left to them, so you know they could still
easily go for another one hundred years. So to me,
it's the if you care about green, it's the greens
product ever invented. I mean that tree gets cut down once,
(21:42):
gets gets milled and nailed into your house, and then uh,
generations later, it's still getting getting lots of loving use
out of it. So we have with the products that
we use to finish it have come a long way.
So we use the bonum stuff for for our top coats. Uh.
Water soluble, very durable. It's great for the product. And
(22:05):
also like uh, it's gotten popular now to to do
some staining of those wood floors, which was tougher in
the past. Uh, to stain a maple floor one hundred
years ago, it was it was it would it would
sometimes look blotchy, and it was just that we just
didn't have the right products in place to do that.
And now we can. Now we can do that really well.
We have we have some some weird stuff. Well we'll
(22:28):
sand maple or oak floors that have that kind of
orangey color. You know that it's actually a stain called
fruit wood from the from the eighties that won't go
away yet. Uh, but uh, there's actually stains that get
the red out. Okay, yeah, so you can you can
have a floor that this red out floor had had
this orangey stain on it, and uh, we'll stain it.
We can. It's like an overlay stain that it literally
(22:51):
make your floor look like a white oak floors. It's
it's a very popular successful product. So there's lots of
options now that we never had. And uh, you know,
we refinished those floors in house because generally we're color
matching to something or we're you know, there's there's times
we'll do we'll have to do maybe a new nailed
(23:13):
down wood floor in a kitchen and the rest of
the house has an old floor that's in pretty good shape.
But those those old Polly's that they use the old
old oil based top coats would yellow a little bit
with with time, and so this, uh, we can actually
match up with that look. So we've done that several
times in houses so that it's a little more particular
to do those floors where you're matching up colors, but
(23:35):
we're able to do that stuff at edge.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Is that where the term feathering comes into?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Am I remembering that?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I feel like that's been mentioned. I think you mentioned
that once before. I was gonna say too, as we
talk about real wood floors, I know that's something you
personally love.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I mean that that is and what I've.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Got always feel good putting those floors.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And and and the and for all the reasons you mentioned. Also,
the other thing is when you look at them, they
just look better. I don't know how to describe it.
There is a and I know there's some really really.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Good violent plank floors.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, but at the end of the day, but nobody's gonna.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Be confused that that's a wood floor.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
It's it's it's a very It looks like when when
you have a real wood floor, it shows that you're
somebody that actually takes a lot of pride in that
space and that job.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I mean we we uh, we built a very nice
house out in the country last last summer. We did
a l VP floor as a young family, and but
it was a really upgraded LVP floor. So you can
you can buy those thin ones they snapped together, you
can buy the The one we put in was a thicker
LVP so the the whole product was about five aces
(24:47):
of an inch stick had a quirk underlayment built into it,
so it's it's uh when snapped together, it really felt solid.
And it was interesting because the homeowner had you know,
people have pets, they have kids, they got all this
stuff and uh. So I think they picked this floor
over a wood floor, not because of costs, actually it
might have been even a little more than a real
wood floor, but because they're their situation and we got
(25:11):
a bunch of wild animals running around in there, uh
and the dog and uh and so uh. I saw
them about six months after that. They're like, I wish
we would have put a real wood floor in. And
I saw them last week and they said, we're sure.
We're so glad after watching our kids drag all their
stuff around this floor of that so there are you know,
(25:32):
we have. We have put those vinyl plank floors in
every level of house. We've done parade houses that were
a couple million dollars for for for other builders that
used a really good quality vinyl plank floor that actually
that's where we found that that one that we put
in last year. So it's not a bad thing. It's
just to me, I like the natural products a carpenter,
what cover doesn't want to put a wood floor in?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Does?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Does some of it get?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's something and you mentioned there are you talk about
the vinyl plank is the higher quality ones. It seems
like a lot of folks first introduction to vinyl plank
is like big box clearance. We're going to sell you
these these cartons for for pennies. It seems like is
that partially why people may have like a bad experience
(26:15):
is they bought it on some kind of doorbuster sale
and maybe said I'm going to install this stuff myself
because it's simple, and then literally like a year later
going what did we do.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Well? Well? The problem with that with that stuff on
the lower end. And I'm not saying you you can't
install this and never have a problem. It probably has
a lot to do with your house out situated. You know,
if you're if you're putting this in where where we've
had issues with or builders that we work with have
had issues with the vinyl plank flooring the floating floors
is uh, put the cheaper one in. You got a
(26:49):
self self sun coming in through a patty door, so
you got a big expanse of this floor of that
is really heating up at certain times of the day
and so that expands out, you know, probably more than
a quarter inch, maybe maybe a half inch, and then
when that sun goes down, it just contracts again. And
sometimes the latching part of the of that floating floor
(27:12):
can't take all that stress, and over time we'll show
a weakness there and so on the upper end of
the scale. With those yes, it's better not say you
still can't have those problems. So once in a while,
actually we will. We have a little technique change that
we started doing maybe in the last year. We had
(27:32):
a very nice remodel homeerer wanted the vinyl plank flowing
through the whole house, which we did, and we actually
glued it down. We trailed glue and even though it's
a floating floor, the floating floors tend to be thicker.
You do have the latching points that are together and
and by gluing it down, I think we really stabilized it.
You don't get the noise or you're rolling through and
(27:55):
walking through and might crack or make make noise while
you're walking through it. And that was of concern for
that homeowner. So that that's why we did it. But
so there are ways to do this better. I think
we're still learning, but yeah, we still put up a
lot of that floor and it's just the trend definitely
is towards the natural stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, as we talk about, you know, homeowners what they
care about when it comes to renovating. I I do
a show with us a real some real estate folks,
and one of the things I've noticed in listing is
if if the house has.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Real wood floors, it's.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
A big deal.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It's always mentioned, right.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's one of the first things that they often point out,
is like, you know what dice neighborhood real wood floors.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
And now that we want to do the whole show
on woodforst but but you know, it's it's a lot
of times builders put in the vinyl plank floors, not
because they're cheaper. Because because sometimes the cost is very comparable,
it's that it's a faster install and so uh, you know,
on these tight schedules, everybody's you know, you want to
get in. You want to get in. Builders want to
(28:55):
get it done quick. In my mind, if I could
spend a couple more days on the install, have a
product now that last maybe a couple hundred years, it
might be worth looking.
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Speaker 2 (29:55):
That's six three.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Six Edge and Mike, we could do several shows on
real woodloors. Don't think we've actually done an entire show
on on real wood floors, but maybe we'll do that
in this new year.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
But John, what if it's not as exciting for everybody.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Else, I will tell you that you've you've sold me on,
like like completely on.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I have a feeling that that that passion will will
be it's infectious like that bath fans.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I get teased a lot for talking about bath fans,
but I don't know, you know a good quality fan.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
If you ever want to hear, go back listen to
some of the bathroom podcasts and Mike will tell you.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
By the way, while we're.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Talking about flooring, do we see carpet at all these days?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
We did? We did carpet in a room where.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
It's it's absolutely we we love you know, the hard surfaces.
But the carpet in space I love and I know
that's kind of fell out.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Do you see that or is.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
It back in fashion or is it kind of a
case by case anything.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I mean, I'm on your team, by the way, I
just think it's more comfortable. Yeah, I don't know. And
if I want to roll around on the floor with grandkids,
I think, you know, at least there's a pad down there.
I not get scupped up. But yeah, So we have
a power struggle at my house. My wife loves wood
(31:14):
floor and rugs, and I'm like, well, you know, what's
the difference, Like you have a floor of a rug
or you have a carpet. I think there is comfort there.
So we did we do compromise. For a long time,
the trend has been towards hard surface floors, and I
think it's more than just you know, you you throw
(31:36):
kids in there. I'm just like, okay, kids kids like carpet,
like kids like to They're on a floor a lot,
so they like carpet. But everybody I know has pets.
I think that has had a big influence on the
walk away from the carpet. And so I don't know,
like I think to sometimes people get a bad taste
(31:56):
in their mouth from carpet because the builders. I'm gonna pick
on the builders a little bit. We got that word
builder grade. We know that we all know what that means.
And the temptation is when you're building a house or
respecting a house, that's not a spot where tip. Typically
people are upgrading, so they might be putting in a
low end carpet. Lower carpets do not last. It's not good.
(32:17):
They look they they can look pretty rough after a
couple of years on the wear spots on the stairs
and you know the pathways that you use a lot.
So I think sometimes it's the product, like anything. You know,
we we spent a too much time probably talking about
wood floors, but you have a great quality product. If
you have a great quality product, then nobody ever sees
(32:38):
like it. Nobody puts in a really good quality carpet,
because there are some out there that are fantastic, and
we do see them once in a while, but I
think that it gets the short stick there once in
a while.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Talking's wearing.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Like two owner at Edge constructs the website Edge Construction
Company dot com. It's all one word Edge Construction Company
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We talk about some of the things that kind of
drive renovation. I know for a lot of folks, expanding
families also as kids go away to college and start
(33:13):
their own life, and that also kind of changes things.
You get a lot of people that are saying, I know,
the old joke, at least in my generation, was when
your bedroom becomes the craft room. That means there's a
lot of movement now towards kind of that flex space.
And and really rather than just having it do that
conversion bedroom to a craft room, have kind of the
(33:34):
best of both worlds. And and that is something I
know a lot of folks really really like.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, and there's things out there that can help you.
You know, when when I'm trying to think of what
like sixties TV show had the Murphy bags, there were
some like you know some show that I used to
show that work is actually pulled the bed down out
of the wall.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Is there is that oh my dan Ackroid Blues Brothers.
Is there in there where they're where they're like in
a in a hotel where there they've got a Murphy bed.
But it only like those half like the hotel so tiny.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I feel like that often does so often you don't
even notice it. But yeah, that that. Uh, we we
have at least one coming up. In fact, it's gotten
so normal that homeowners will even install these after the fact,
like most of the time now for us, something like that. Uh,
(34:31):
you can buy a kit to do that online. Uh,
it's it's like Ikia type stuff sometimes. But we have
done some or or we've homeowners have provided us the
hardware and we've built the bed form when it comes down.
But I think you mentioned flex space that how many
times were you know as a kid, I knew people
(34:53):
that had dens like that. At the I know you
just called it a den. I don't know what it
really was for. It was almost like a just another living.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Room or something.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
But now those those rooms have to be in office
and they've got to be a maybe a guest room
if somebody's coming to stay. We have a room coming
up that is it's gonna be like a library. It's
gonna be built in bookshelves, which Mike's gonna build. So
we're gonna see some of that stuff. And I like
(35:21):
that customizing a little bit because you know, you can
put up some really nice bookshelves and it could still
do all those other things right, even in the basement
where we used to have MEETI rooms or projection room,
a movie room. Those rooms have to do more. Now,
like you mentioned the craft thing, maybe it's got to
do that and it's downtime or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
We're going to change next segment. We're going to change completely.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I'm gonna call it because last week or a couple
of weeks ago, you and I when you mentioned Murphy beds,
we briefly touched on Murphy beds the other week, and
then you started talking to me about hidden doors entryway
and we just quick blurb and then we never And
so I'm gonna ask.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You about that.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Sean wants to know. I want to know, and.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
We're gonna I think it's a it's U yeah, the
co host decision there. So we'll talk about that next.
In the meantime, head out over to the website. Edge
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talking this week about why homeowners renovate and what they
care most about. And I'm just going to talk about
me as a homeowner, what I care most about. I
want to hear about this. So you had just kind
(36:50):
of briefly mentioned the other week when we were talking
about you're seeing more and you guys are doing some
of these where there's like a hidden door, like a
hidden entryway, and I I just think.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
How cool would that that be?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Like it's like, h like seems very like I don't know,
just I like it. I like the concept. And you
are getting more requests for these, aren't they we are?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, And uh, in my past, I've done some of those.
The coolest one was quite a few years ago, but
it was somebody that had a I had a really
good reason to have a walk in safe in their basement,
which I never got to see the inside of. By
the way, but in front of it was an office,
and in the back part of that office we're shelving
(37:32):
you like built in shelves and uh so you could,
uh you could pop a book or Papa, I think
it was pop a pull a book. There's a system
out there you can buy for this. Weirdly, it's from
a company named Murphy. So I don't know if what
came first, the Murphy Company or the Murphy dor Maybe
that's why we call them Murphy doors. But yeah, this
Murphy Door company makes these fulling, full units. It's just
(37:56):
I don't love man. I don't want to pick on
a manufacturer, but for what they charge to me, it
should be kind of better. Call youse stuff. I mean,
we've put him in. I'm not saying he didn't buy
a good product. It's that when I have a chance,
i'd rather build a bookshelf because I know what you
make it out of better stuff, And but yeah, you could.
(38:17):
The one we're building is going to be it's a
six foot wide opening. I'm not even sure if the
homewner knows what's going to be in that room. It
might be workout stuff for maybe just a an easy
chair or something. But you wouldn't believe what's available pretty
much rarely available. You can do a like a thumbprint,
you can do a keypad, you can do a fob
(38:39):
that will open the doors, or you can do it
a hidden button that that you know you can you
can color it so just you know you I can
see unless you know it's there.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
That's the coolest James Body, Yes, well that is.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
That's to me, that just seems to be like just
a cool And maybe.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
It's because because I've got kids, So if you would
you would you give them the seat?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Would you get mass in the like? Ah?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Probably, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It just it just seems like, oh, just like it
makes you so well defined. And again mine would likely
just be like a like a recliner.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Would you give your wife's a secret?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Oh oh yeah, but whether I wanted to or not,
I'd be given it to her. We've got you know,
we we've got these you know, these these shows, and
I had mentioned that a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
We talked a little bit about the stuff as well.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
If you haven't had a chance, check out some of
the previous podcasts as well. It's so much really fun information.
We talk in depth, and I know previous shows about
different types of countertops, different types of real wood floors,
stuff we've touched on this week. We do entire shows
on that stuff, and you want to check that out
SAD on Overnight, Edge Construction Company dot com or the
radio station's website. You can listen to the web, listen
back to the podcast Tell whatever six so weight six
(39:48):
three six three three four three. That's for Edge Construction,
And of course Edge Construction brings you the Homer Modeling
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